| 00:00.39 | pcj | bbiab |
| 00:01.24 | DuTempete | allo!# |
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| 00:15.44 | pcj | uhh hi Dutempete |
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| 00:36.01 | DuTempete | 'allo 'allo |
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| 00:44.38 | pcj | sup |
| 00:45.09 | DuTempete | Regarding the blocks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Appealing_a_block#Frequently_Asked_Questions |
| 00:45.40 | pcj | That's cool, DuTempete |
| 00:46.32 | DuTempete | Kb atm :P |
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| 00:51.01 | pcj | wb baggins |
| 00:54.45 | Bagginsww | wb? |
| 00:55.54 | sacarasc | slang for "oh, why did you have to return, i hate you so much" |
| 00:57.43 | Bagginsww | LOL |
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| 01:18.36 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Silvermoon_Remnant#Sources.3F :p |
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| 01:31.00 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Silvermoon_Remnant |
| 01:31.09 | Bagginsww | so ya eliminated everything but the facts |
| 01:31.17 | Bagginsww | and added a short speculation |
| 01:34.24 | Bagginsww | do w use the removed from game template for something like that? |
| 01:34.34 | Bagginsww | for something that was nevery officially seen in game? |
| 01:36.55 | sacarasc | heh, there was an awesome typo on that page |
| 01:37.18 | Bagginsww | oh ya? let me know. |
| 01:37.25 | Bagginsww | I was reverting back :p |
| 01:37.30 | Bagginsww | so its an older page |
| 01:37.33 | Bagginsww | I"m trying to clean it up |
| 01:37.44 | sacarasc | already fixed it |
| 01:39.00 | Bagginsww | lawl |
| 01:39.11 | Bagginsww | thanks |
| 01:40.36 | Bagginsww | I think the term Silvermoon Remnant is cool and I'd like to see it used someday. But I know to make it anything more than the single reference is pure speculation and wishful thinking. |
| 01:41.13 | Bagginsww | still I'm not sure if I should put a "removed from game" template on that if it was never actually in game :p |
| 01:41.40 | Bagginsww | oh got rid of the lore category |
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| 01:44.38 | johnnyd2 | hi |
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| 01:48.07 | johnnyd2 | anyone here? i have a question involving template use |
| 01:48.21 | kd3 | ~asktoask |
| 01:48.21 | infobot | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 01:48.33 | pcj | ~data |
| 01:48.34 | infobot | Don't Ask To Ask. Just ASK |
| 01:48.44 | sacarasc | ~dontwannafeelleftout |
| 01:49.20 | johnnyd2 | doh |
| 01:49.42 | johnnyd2 | well, is it possible to use npc templates for a mob from a fanfic of mine? or is that too much |
| 01:50.19 | pcj | You mean like {{npcbox}}? |
| 01:50.29 | johnnyd2 | yeah |
| 01:50.41 | kd3 | go for it. a lot of players have used {{npcbox}} for their player character articles |
| 01:52.35 | johnnyd2 | well, i was thinking maybe raid bosses, IE make my own boss |
| 01:53.13 | kd3 | it'll work for that too. we use {{npcbox}} for real raid bosses, it'll work for fanfic too |
| 01:53.43 | johnnyd2 | well, one problem, my fic is a crossover (Though it does try to expand official WOW lore) |
| 01:53.58 | pcj | it doesn't matter |
| 01:54.13 | kd3 | as long as it's warcraft-universe fanfic and not something from starcraft or other fantasy universes... |
| 01:55.09 | Bagginsww | anyone want to create a non spoiler page for the "Borel" |
| 01:55.36 | Bagginsww | like done with other "alias" characters like the prestors |
| 01:56.17 | johnnyd2 | what would be allowed in terms of crossover? its mainly WOW, though it does involves interaction between other worlds X_X. |
| 01:56.46 | Bagginsww | to be honest if you keep your crossover to your own page, I don't care what you do |
| 01:57.22 | kd3 | [[WW:FANFIC]] |
| 01:57.22 | [NewsBot] | kd3 meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:FANFIC |
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| 01:59.13 | johnnyd2 | so, it would just be my own page.... though you would probably shoot/laugh at me if i told you what the crossover was about |
| 02:00.24 | Sandwichman2448 | I'm back |
| 02:01.08 | Bagginsww | sandwich what do you think of my edit to Silvermoon Remnant |
| 02:01.24 | Bagginsww | also check out talk page |
| 02:01.43 | johnnyd2 | well *Takes deep breath* its about pokemon characters adventuring in azeroth. think kingdom hearts..... *raises epic flame shield* |
| 02:01.59 | Sandwichman2448 | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Silvermoon_Remnant&diff=1119603&oldid=1092602 |
| 02:02.10 | Bagginsww | pokemon? too childish for my tastes |
| 02:02.22 | Sandwichman2448 | Mr.X8 will kill you, Baggins. |
| 02:02.36 | Sandwichman2448 | What, jhonnyd2? |
| 02:02.48 | Bagginsww | but x8 is a child |
| 02:03.05 | Bagginsww | he is entitled to childish persuits |
| 02:04.19 | Sandwichman2448 | No, he will kill you for the edit. |
| 02:04.26 | Sandwichman2448 | What is childish? |
| 02:04.26 | Bagginsww | for what edit? |
| 02:04.42 | Sandwichman2448 | You asked me! |
| 02:04.46 | johnnyd2 | its a story ibe been working on for years... anyways, i have a hard time keeping track of ideas, i like making my own raid bosses, so it would be nice to somehow use the template as referencfe material for the story im doing |
| 02:04.47 | Bagginsww | oh that page |
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| 02:05.07 | Bagginsww | nah I'll just tell him that speculation of that type should stay to his rpg pages |
| 02:05.08 | Sandwichman2448 | What is jhonny talking about? |
| 02:05.18 | Bagginsww | or stories as he calls them :p |
| 02:05.31 | Bagginsww | a pokemon crossover |
| 02:05.37 | Sandwichman2448 | to WoW? |
| 02:05.59 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 02:06.13 | Bagginsww | apparently the pokemon gotta catch allt he creatures of Azeroth? |
| 02:06.22 | Sandwichman2448 | They are called hunters. Been done. |
| 02:06.27 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 02:06.38 | Bagginsww | nah I think he's sending Ash and company over |
| 02:06.52 | Bagginsww | of course I think Ash would be burned to a crisp, ;) |
| 02:07.14 | Sandwichman2448 | I hate anime. |
| 02:07.21 | Bagginsww | unlike in pokemon where trainers never attack each other directly |
| 02:07.26 | Bagginsww | Azeroth is not so kind |
| 02:08.08 | johnnyd2 | well, my story is a long story |
| 02:08.36 | Sandwichman2448 | Does it involve the titans' lawers? Mine does. |
| 02:08.50 | johnnyd2 | titans lawyers? |
| 02:08.57 | Bagginsww | titans have lawyers? |
| 02:09.06 | Bagginsww | let me guess Phoenix Wright |
| 02:09.28 | Sandwichman2448 | No. |
| 02:09.44 | Bagginsww | Perry Mason? |
| 02:10.35 | Sandwichman2448 | It was an idea for a wing of Uldar. I do not flood the wiki with bad fanfic. |
| 02:10.44 | Sandwichman2448 | Cuogh X8 Cough. |
| 02:10.48 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 02:11.06 | Sandwichman2448 | i will sum it up if you care... |
| 02:12.28 | johnnyd2 | Well, my fanfic is really complicated, im trying to sum it up simple as i can without getting laughed at |
| 02:13.34 | Sandwichman2448 | Pocket monsters getting eaten in WoW. |
| 02:14.38 | johnnyd2 | well, basically, my story is a story type thing with a WOW type battle system, henceforth why i want to use templates |
| 02:14.43 | Bagginsww | pocket monters mating with monsters in wow and creating Mewthree |
| 02:15.20 | Sandwichman2448 | Mewthree was only a rumor. Possibly in a cut of the manga. |
| 02:15.31 | Bagginsww | You'd be best to make your "templates" from scratch but not on their own template pages, and just put them into the article. |
| 02:15.43 | Sandwichman2448 | What? |
| 02:16.03 | Bagginsww | I'm saying we try to avoid non-wow templates |
| 02:16.08 | johnnyd2 | what you mean? use the npc templates... or something else.. im confused |
| 02:16.14 | Sandwichman2448 | So is it pokemon in wow or wow in pokemon? |
| 02:16.34 | Bagginsww | oh your welcome to use npc template as long as it doesn't have categories tied into it |
| 02:16.51 | Bagginsww | hopefully autocategories have been removed from templates :p |
| 02:17.50 | johnnyd2 | both, it also involves other anime/manga franchsises, though it doesnt seem like you like anime/manga too much XD |
| 02:18.11 | Sandwichman2448 | I do not. |
| 02:18.19 | Bagginsww | I like some anime. But not as "anime" just for the story |
| 02:18.42 | johnnyd2 | anyone here play tales of symphonia? or any other of the tales games? |
| 02:18.43 | Sandwichman2448 | I respect your opinions and ideas, though. That is what make me awsome. |
| 02:18.47 | johnnyd2 | thanks |
| 02:18.50 | Bagginsww | that's to say i'm not an otaku or whatever kids call themselves these days |
| 02:19.14 | Bagginsww | I played the tales remake on GBA |
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| 02:19.25 | Bagginsww | whichever one that was |
| 02:20.01 | johnnyd2 | think of the battle system in my story as a mix of WOW, and tales series, IE it features WOW spells, but this time its more movement based (IE you can actually dodge by moving) |
| 02:20.23 | Bagginsww | tales games are like pure side view action rpgs |
| 02:20.36 | johnnyd2 | well, the 3d ones are more like 3d |
| 02:20.38 | Bagginsww | old oens anyways |
| 02:20.41 | Bagginsww | *ones |
| 02:20.44 | johnnyd2 | i mean symphonia, abyss |
| 02:20.51 | SandwichmanAFK | Things to do. |
| 02:20.51 | Bagginsww | I never bothered to get later ones |
| 02:20.55 | johnnyd2 | its basically WOW, accept more fast paced |
| 02:20.55 | Bagginsww | I like more retro games |
| 02:20.58 | johnnyd2 | except* |
| 02:21.02 | johnnyd2 | i like retro too |
| 02:21.05 | SandwichmanAFK | Tyrian? |
| 02:21.12 | SandwichmanAFK | Star control? |
| 02:21.13 | johnnyd2 | anyone heard of angry nintendo nerd? |
| 02:21.26 | johnnyd2 | star control? loved that game when i was a kid |
| 02:21.30 | SandwichmanAFK | Jazz jackrabbit? |
| 02:21.31 | Sky2042_afk | http://files.filefront.com/AoE+pally+with+FRD/;9410769;/fileinfo.html |
| 02:21.31 | Bagginsww | Zelda games have converted into 3-d nicely |
| 02:21.33 | johnnyd2 | i played star control 3 |
| 02:21.33 | Bagginsww | they play retro |
| 02:21.48 | Bagginsww | I mean they play like the retro games |
| 02:21.51 | SandwichmanAFK | Bye |
| 02:21.52 | Bagginsww | the style is the same |
| 02:22.01 | Bagginsww | just the story is more detailed |
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| 02:29.26 | Sky2042_afk | oh jesus Bagginsww, you realize the ingame books are hosted on dozens of other sites, correct? |
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| 02:30.07 | Bagginsww | yes, but unless there is something that says we have specific permission, it doesn't mean we should |
| 02:30.13 | Sky2042_afk | we do though. |
| 02:30.28 | Sky2042_afk | um, let me hunt the link down |
| 02:30.32 | Bagginsww | k |
| 02:30.50 | kadrahil | Position in queue: 130 |
| 02:30.51 | kadrahil | :( |
| 02:31.01 | johnnyd2 | just wondering... im a noob to making wiki pages, so, lets say i want to make a boss..... how should i start, i found the npc boiler plate, where do i go from there? |
| 02:33.11 | Sky2042_afk | well, ok, we don't have have specific permission, but there is precedent for having them anyway. |
| 02:33.15 | Sky2042_afk | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/machinima/letter.html |
| 02:34.13 | Sky2042_afk | i know I saw it somewhere |
| 02:34.15 | Sky2042_afk | gah |
| 02:34.24 | Bagginsww | sky you'd be better to look in the TOA |
| 02:34.38 | Bagginsww | not machinima |
| 02:34.55 | Sky2042_afk | duh |
| 02:34.57 | Sky2042_afk | http://www.blizzard.com/legalfaq.shtml |
| 02:35.01 | Sky2042_afk | =) |
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| 02:36.09 | Bagginsww | also check torms of use |
| 02:36.51 | Sky2042_afk | The Program and the Service are protected by United States and international laws. The Program and the Service may contain certain licensed materials, and Blizzard's licensors may enforce their rights in the event of any violation of this Agreement. |
| 02:37.35 | Bagginsww | which means your advocating, breaking the law until Blizzard complains about it? |
| 02:37.51 | Bagginsww | can we do that for any Blizzard product then :) |
| 02:37.56 | Sky2042_afk | "May contain certain licensed materials" |
| 02:38.03 | Sky2042_afk | see blizzard.com link |
| 02:38.32 | Bagginsww | and the term means specifically, and I don't mean your interpretation ;) |
| 02:38.45 | Bagginsww | you know the ToA read the same in the RPG pretty much :) |
| 02:38.48 | Sky2042_afk | either way, you'd think the other sites would have been sued?... |
| 02:38.50 | Sky2042_afk | :/ |
| 02:39.05 | Bagginsww | nah the problem is blizzard has too much other stuff on their hands to go after every little guy |
| 02:39.15 | Sky2042_afk | we're recognized as an official fan site as well |
| 02:39.20 | Sky2042_afk | they must've noticed us ;) |
| 02:39.23 | Bagginsww | of course they have |
| 02:39.29 | Sky2042_afk | afk also |
| 02:39.31 | Bagginsww | it just costs alot of money to go after people |
| 02:39.37 | Sky2042_afk | exactly. |
| 02:39.38 | Bagginsww | and we aren't actually hurting them |
| 02:39.46 | Bagginsww | even if we may bend or break rules ;) |
| 02:39.53 | Bagginsww | so I say, screw fair use, and have fun heh |
| 02:40.56 | Bagginsww | although to be honest I"m not sure I like scrolling text boxes :p |
| 02:41.24 | Bagginsww | why should I have to click on something inside of something to read something else :p |
| 02:41.42 | Bagginsww | or why should I have to click on a second scroll bar to scroll the text |
| 02:41.46 | Bagginsww | it seems inneficient |
| 02:42.44 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Eonar you know I think we probably should remove that specific date |
| 02:42.58 | Bagginsww | I try to avoid timeline references like the plague :p |
| 02:43.11 | Bagginsww | and it at least needs a citation |
| 02:43.17 | Bagginsww | whole page does |
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| 02:43.22 | Bagginsww | blizzplanet doesn't count |
| 02:43.36 | U117 | WOW, there's alot of people here |
| 02:43.42 | Bagginsww | since we are trying to do away with second hand interpretations |
| 02:43.48 | Bagginsww | alot of people but most never talk |
| 02:43.57 | U117 | same on Halopedia. |
| 02:43.58 | Bagginsww | I'm not sure they exist |
| 02:44.04 | U117 | lol |
| 02:44.15 | Bagginsww | I've thought about kicking them, ;) |
| 02:44.55 | Bagginsww | I mean if they aren't going to talk, why should I have to scroll thorugh all the names to find if people I want to talk to are on line? |
| 02:45.12 | U117 | exactly |
| 02:45.30 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 02:45.41 | U117 | COME ON, PEOPLE! |
| 02:46.03 | Bagginsww | maybe they are all in private conversations cybering each other, :p |
| 02:46.20 | U117 | sorry if i ge kicked for this, but they're probably having fantasy of night elves and taurans.. |
| 02:46.22 | Sandwichman2448 | Back, where is johnny? |
| 02:46.26 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 02:46.44 | U117 | foffl |
| 02:47.00 | U117 | omfg lmfao |
| 02:47.10 | U117 | Im funny. |
| 02:47.17 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Reddragon.JPG Remember once you go dragon, you never go again |
| 02:47.39 | U117 | wetnes! |
| 02:47.42 | Bagginsww | and dragons do it from behind |
| 02:47.47 | U117 | lol |
| 02:48.05 | U117 | they just had their wet dream! >>>> |
| 02:48.29 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Ogrefemale.JPG lovehandles to go around |
| 02:48.55 | U117 | EWWWW< IT"S EVERYWHERE! |
| 02:49.12 | Sandwichman2448 | I know where there is more on the wiki... |
| 02:49.26 | U117 | ......i dont, wanna know... |
| 02:49.33 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 02:49.35 | Sandwichman2448 | I keep asking for removal. |
| 02:49.42 | Sandwichman2448 | really. |
| 02:49.45 | Bagginsww | sandwhich, on user pages right? |
| 02:49.48 | Sandwichman2448 | yes |
| 02:49.51 | Bagginsww | the ones I linked to are official artwork |
| 02:49.55 | Sandwichman2448 | NO H DAMMIT! |
| 02:49.56 | Bagginsww | they stay :) |
| 02:50.43 | Bagginsww | the only problem with fan porn art is its against one of the blizzard's terms of use I think |
| 02:50.47 | Bagginsww | so they probably should be delete |
| 02:50.52 | Bagginsww | d |
| 02:51.01 | Bagginsww | link them to me? |
| 02:51.02 | U117 | it was the doughman, i sear! |
| 02:51.41 | U117 | link what to you? |
| 02:51.43 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:AzsharaSL.gif and she's official so she' stays |
| 02:52.04 | U117 | ou erase her, i kill you...... |
| 02:52.17 | U117 | she's like, OH YEA! |
| 02:52.24 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 02:52.50 | Bagginsww | They dont' call her Queeen "Ass" for nothing. |
| 02:52.51 | U117 | dont you wish ur girlfriend was: HOT LIKE ME?! |
| 02:53.26 | johnnyd2 | well, what if for example, i want to make deathwing a raid boss? it would have to be labeled fanfiction obviously, would the page name be Deathwing (Tacticts) fanfiction |
| 02:53.51 | U117 | what? |
| 02:53.59 | Sandwichman2448 | username/pagename |
| 02:54.16 | U117 | what the heck |
| 02:54.41 | Sandwichman2448 | What? |
| 02:54.45 | Bagginsww | hmm well link to one :P |
| 02:55.00 | U117 | Guys im gonna go see what the Halo guys r doing :) |
| 02:55.06 | U117 | c ya l8er |
| 02:55.42 | Bagginsww | well time to get food |
| 02:55.43 | Bagginsww | by all |
| 02:55.55 | Sandwichman2448 | bye... |
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| 02:57.04 | johnnyd2 | k |
| 02:57.29 | Sandwichman2448 | K? |
| 02:58.46 | Sandwichman2448 | What? |
| 03:01.33 | johnnyd2 | that means im making a mob page right now, just a generic mob just for kicks |
| 03:01.41 | Sandwichman2448 | K |
| 03:07.45 | Sky2042_afk | Bagginsww: try auto-completing :P |
| 03:07.53 | Sandwichman2448 | I did not like the halo wiki, they refuse to accept retcons exist. |
| 03:08.33 | Sky2042_afk | type the first two or three letters Bagginsww, and then it tab. if the person you want to talk is on, then it'll finish for you. |
| 03:09.32 | Sandwichman2448 | I works. |
| 03:09.35 | Sandwichman2448 | it |
| 03:10.03 | Sky2042_afk | s/it tab/hit tab/ |
| 03:13.44 | Sky2042_afk | fandyllic gets the /weirdest/ ideas |
| 03:15.23 | Sandwichman2448 | I can not see a good use for it. just use the side bar? |
| 03:16.11 | Sky2042_afk | Sandwichman2448: hmm? this message to you was began with tab-complete. =] |
| 03:16.58 | Sandwichman2448 | Can not you just type that? |
| 03:17.23 | Sky2042_afk | Sandwichman2448: I can. But it's four keystrokes as opposed to 15. ;) |
| 03:17.57 | Sandwichman2448 | My name is too long... |
| 03:21.14 | johnnyd2 | well, heres my shot at a wiki page |
| 03:21.18 | johnnyd2 | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Johnnyd2/Mannoroc_Doomlord |
| 03:23.51 | Sandwichman2448 | K |
| 03:24.10 | Sandwichman2448 | Demon. |
| 03:26.14 | Sandwichman2448 | You named it right. |
| 03:28.55 | johnnyd2 | yeah, though im still trying to get all the stuff like spells and loot right. im a wiki noob |
| 03:29.46 | Sandwichman2448 | Look has to exist as a separate page to appear. |
| 03:30.10 | Bagginsww | were do we keep our village pump archives? |
| 03:30.17 | Bagginsww | ok found it |
| 03:30.38 | Sandwichman2448 | the box in the corner. |
| 03:37.37 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#In-game_books_and_styling |
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| 04:23.42 | Bagginsww | The problem comes down to previously we never really enforced fair use. However if we are going to enforce, it needs to be enforced in a legal style, not giving any special treatment to one source over another. |
| 04:24.12 | Bagginsww | We can't say, oh I like this source better, so it can be copied. |
| 04:24.59 | pcj | i thought in-game text was free and clear |
| 04:25.16 | Bagginsww | its questionable. and I doubt blizzard is going to enforce it |
| 04:25.32 | Bagginsww | btw did you know the rpg has a similar Terms of Use written into every book? |
| 04:25.45 | pcj | no |
| 04:26.05 | Bagginsww | they call it "open game license" |
| 04:27.44 | Bagginsww | basically its open license for people to copy sections of the material into othe rmaterial |
| 04:27.55 | Bagginsww | as long as they don't copy the entire book and distribute it |
| 04:28.08 | Bagginsww | which we have never actually done |
| 04:29.24 | Bagginsww | but there is nebulous lawyer speak however |
| 04:29.34 | Bagginsww | like in any of the video game Terms of service |
| 04:30.03 | Bagginsww | as to how much or when you can do it :p |
| 04:39.00 | DuTempete | Neither Kirkburn nor I see anything to worry about with in-game text, Bagginsww, pcj. |
| 04:39.10 | Bagginsww | nor do I :) |
| 04:39.30 | Bagginsww | I'm argueing a middle ground devils advocate towards policy that has flaws |
| 04:39.38 | DuTempete | yeah, site have been using exact text of MMOs since they began. |
| 04:39.39 | Bagginsww | in that it says one thing |
| 04:39.43 | Bagginsww | but does another |
| 04:40.12 | DuTempete | *nod* |
| 04:41.27 | *** join/#wowwiki mbeukers (n=chatzill@218-214-32-244.people.net.au) |
| 04:42.35 | Bagginsww | I"m argueing more for no special treatment clause |
| 04:42.54 | Bagginsww | making a looser policy that is easily enforced |
| 04:43.11 | Bagginsww | that treats everything equally |
| 04:43.16 | mbeukers | !edicount <Lessthan1337> |
| 04:43.56 | pcj | no foxbot |
| 04:44.38 | *** join/#wowwiki mbeukers (n=chatzill@218-214-32-244.people.net.au) |
| 04:45.37 | mbeukers | _ |
| 04:46.32 | mbeukers | !sup |
| 04:46.44 | pcj | no foxbot |
| 04:46.50 | mbeukers | wo |
| 04:46.52 | mbeukers | ow* |
| 04:47.56 | pcj | that was exciting |
| 04:51.10 | Bagginsww | ok pcj here is where the issue gets harder to follow. Basically you can copy portions of the content as long as it doesn't impenge on the product identity. |
| 04:51.31 | Bagginsww | the product identity would certainly be viewed as "WArcraft" in this case |
| 04:51.47 | pcj | i don't really care about fair use, but if it's policy i'll enforce it |
| 04:51.54 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 04:52.05 | Bagginsww | well the issue is if it is policy I must enforce it |
| 04:52.17 | pcj | but i think since blizzard gave permission it doesn't fall under fair use |
| 04:52.28 | Bagginsww | well we need to understand the limits of permission |
| 04:52.46 | Bagginsww | we can't just assume something was permitted, without first looking at the complete details |
| 04:53.07 | Bagginsww | I've gone over those blizzard texts, and there are loopholes, and strict excpetions |
| 04:53.08 | pcj | someone should just write blizzard |
| 04:53.11 | pcj | it's going to be the only way |
| 04:53.22 | Bagginsww | ya, asking for permission would be the only fair way |
| 04:54.06 | pcj | do you'd think we'd have to do it both for blizzard us and blizzard europe |
| 04:54.27 | Bagginsww | Hmm, I kinda of doubt it |
| 04:54.38 | Bagginsww | you'd probably be best just asking lbizzard US as its themain company |
| 04:55.00 | Bagginsww | I mean who ever controls the actually production stuff |
| 04:56.43 | pcj | well i can do it i guess |
| 04:56.53 | Bagginsww | cool |
| 04:57.19 | Bagginsww | ya if they give us written letter telling us how much we can copy and where from specifically, then that's the policy we'll follow. |
| 04:58.59 | pcj | so we're asking about both the books and the games? |
| 04:59.09 | Bagginsww | I'd say any source. |
| 04:59.28 | Bagginsww | books, games, and other forms of media |
| 04:59.40 | Darlok | hey guys quick question but how do i bring up the bottom 1-9 status bar again onto my screen? |
| 04:59.51 | Darlok | how do i duplicate another 1-9 key bar to my screen? |
| 05:00.08 | Bagginsww | and then we can post the contents of the letter, as to what is and isn't permitted |
| 05:00.22 | Bagginsww | on the policy page |
| 05:04.36 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Jakalazhar ??? |
| 05:04.55 | Bagginsww | its fanfictin |
| 05:05.40 | Darlok | how do i duplicate another 1 to = key bar to my screen? |
| 05:06.50 | pcj | ask on #wowi-lounge darlok |
| 05:13.51 | pcj | yeah so they don't list contact information for legal questions |
| 05:16.37 | DuTempete | Kb here |
| 05:16.53 | DuTempete | If there was a problem with using ingame text, thott and wowhead would have known about it long ago |
| 05:17.20 | DuTempete | (Real world books however are a different matter) |
| 05:17.35 | pcj | That's what I thought... |
| 05:18.40 | DuTempete | We're not creating competition, only advertising :) |
| 05:18.41 | Bagginsww | pcj let me know when you send of the letter, and get a reply :) |
| 05:19.17 | DuTempete | I have to say, I wouldn't expect a definitive reply |
| 05:20.44 | DuTempete | If Blizz were to say it's bad@ |
| 05:20.54 | DuTempete | Can you imagine the reaction? |
| 05:21.17 | DuTempete | The implications for Wowhead and Thott and the others ... |
| 05:21.28 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 05:21.35 | Bagginsww | I'd find it amusing to say for sure |
| 05:21.37 | DuTempete | They can't say "it's good" either, since that'll give free reign |
| 05:21.49 | Bagginsww | I'm sure it will be nebulous |
| 05:22.09 | Bagginsww | but at least we'll have some kind of personal "permission" |
| 05:22.11 | Bagginsww | of a type |
| 05:22.17 | DuTempete | I don't think the community at large would be appreciative, and I sure don't want people hating wowwiki for doing this |
| 05:22.18 | Bagginsww | and we can point that out |
| 05:22.55 | Bagginsww | that's why I said write the letter as a nice letter requesting permisison |
| 05:23.05 | Bagginsww | the legal way of doing things |
| 05:23.21 | Bagginsww | if people hate someone for keeping legal, then its there problem. |
| 05:23.38 | Bagginsww | also personal permissions don't apply to other people only th eone who asked it |
| 05:23.40 | DuTempete | It's our problem if we cause a whole load of crap |
| 05:24.15 | DuTempete | Besides, the website owners are the ones to do this |
| 05:24.27 | Bagginsww | and if it does, who cares. We don't want to be lemming sfollowing the other crouds |
| 05:24.30 | DuTempete | I can ask that it is informally asked about |
| 05:25.01 | DuTempete | Lemmings following the crowds? If Blizz wanted to have a problem with it, they'd ruin their entire image |
| 05:25.19 | pcj | well, if you want to do it kirkburn, go ahead, but i don't really care to do it if it doesn't mean anything |
| 05:25.21 | DuTempete | "Company goes after players", great title |
| 05:25.59 | Bagginsww | Silver Lining? and Anonymous Game Developers and Sierra? |
| 05:26.13 | DuTempete | What about them? |
| 05:26.15 | Bagginsww | the company went after them |
| 05:26.20 | Bagginsww | but they asked permisison |
| 05:26.23 | Bagginsww | and got permission |
| 05:26.28 | Bagginsww | to make a new game even |
| 05:26.30 | Bagginsww | original content |
| 05:26.37 | pcj | meh @ AGDI |
| 05:26.37 | Bagginsww | not official, but next best thing |
| 05:26.46 | pcj | it'd probably be more like TSL imo |
| 05:26.49 | pcj | *vomit* |
| 05:26.50 | Bagginsww | there games are eh, but whatever, :) |
| 05:27.08 | DuTempete | As I said it can be asked about, but I don't want it to be a "big thing" |
| 05:27.19 | Bagginsww | only issue I have is TSL act like their game is more than just a permitted game, LOL |
| 05:27.51 | Bagginsww | well the thing is the letter is going to be reviewed her first and we can design an updated policy based on it |
| 05:27.58 | Bagginsww | we don't have to make oto much of a deal about it |
| 05:28.02 | pcj | the only thing i have with TSL is that the game appears to suck |
| 05:28.12 | Bagginsww | it looks like oh 10 years ago |
| 05:28.23 | Bagginsww | ok maybe 5 years ago |
| 05:28.34 | DuTempete | Why, why do we even need to do anything about this :/ |
| 05:28.35 | pcj | did you play the preview game |
| 05:28.38 | pcj | that was trash |
| 05:28.40 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 05:28.51 | Bagginsww | the graphics are amateur |
| 05:28.59 | pcj | well kirkburn it is policy |
| 05:29.03 | pcj | either enforce it or get rid of it |
| 05:29.03 | DuTempete | Blizz evidently don't have a problem with it, but I don't see that drawing their attention to it will help much |
| 05:29.40 | DuTempete | Tbh, fair use applies to non-WoW stuff |
| 05:30.00 | DuTempete | Books, mechandise, they're covered |
| 05:30.17 | Darlok | does anyone know a good website to order GOLD from? |
| 05:30.23 | DuTempete | There's no point applying fair use to WoW itself |
| 05:30.41 | pcj | darlok, don't be an idiot |
| 05:30.46 | DuTempete | Darlok: we're not that type of website |
| 05:30.57 | Bagginsww | yet the if you read the terms of service and copyright rules there are still restrictions. |
| 05:31.05 | Bagginsww | we want to know what these restrictions are if possible |
| 05:31.46 | Bagginsww | to be fair I think they worded it hte way they did to give them room to go after someone if they truly cause a problem or try to make money off of Blizzard |
| 05:31.59 | Bagginsww | more of loophole |
| 05:32.45 | DuTempete | Quite likely |
| 05:33.24 | Bagginsww | as far as I know wowwiki isn't making money off of anything on the site :p |
| 05:33.40 | pcj | *cough* ads */cough* |
| 05:33.57 | Bagginsww | I though wikia was making that money :p |
| 05:34.01 | Bagginsww | oops, :p |
| 05:34.07 | pcj | wikia is presenting wowwiki isn't it |
| 05:34.13 | Bagginsww | so we are already breaking one of the terms of use |
| 05:34.30 | Bagginsww | the one where they are specific, about "making money" |
| 05:34.31 | DuTempete | If the fair use policy says it aplpies to everything, it should probably be reworded to mention that we do not apply it to WoW text and images |
| 05:35.09 | Bagginsww | blizzard's permission is pretty clear you can't copy anything if you somehow make money off it :p... |
| 05:35.22 | DuTempete | Bagginsww: thott, alla, wowhead, mmo-champion ... if Blizz had a problem with it, we'd know. |
| 05:35.29 | Bagginsww | we aren't them |
| 05:35.44 | DuTempete | Images aren't copies, whilst the text isn't game code |
| 05:36.00 | Bagginsww | it says text, images, etc |
| 05:36.14 | Bagginsww | read the terms ofu se :p |
| 05:36.24 | DuTempete | There's little real difference between the sites and us |
| 05:36.27 | Bagginsww | it says copies, text, images, material, code, etc |
| 05:36.45 | Bagginsww | the point is just because others may do it, doesn't mean we are doing the right thing |
| 05:37.00 | DuTempete | Oh, can I also point out we're an *official* fan site |
| 05:37.02 | Bagginsww | You can't use the "I didn't know" arguement |
| 05:37.24 | Bagginsww | but did you know to become an official fan site you had to agree that you wouldn't make money off of it |
| 05:37.25 | DuTempete | They've reviewed the content, they have no problem with it |
| 05:37.33 | DuTempete | lol, wut |
| 05:37.34 | Bagginsww | ah hah |
| 05:37.39 | Bagginsww | so dutempete if that's true |
| 05:37.45 | Bagginsww | then they had no problem with any of our content |
| 05:37.53 | Bagginsww | your saying we got persmission for everything? |
| 05:38.09 | Bagginsww | If that'st rue that's important thing to note |
| 05:38.10 | DuTempete | Essentially everything we currently have, yes |
| 05:38.23 | Bagginsww | so including all the quotations |
| 05:38.28 | DuTempete | As our policies stand, Blizz is fine with them |
| 05:38.32 | Bagginsww | from books and any media |
| 05:38.55 | Bagginsww | most of which were on the site before we became an "official" status |
| 05:38.55 | DuTempete | No, non-WoW stuff isn't really Blizz's juristiction |
| 05:39.09 | Bagginsww | actually it is |
| 05:39.13 | Bagginsww | Blizz owns it all |
| 05:39.18 | DuTempete | White Wolf and the book publishers? |
| 05:39.21 | Bagginsww | it says so in the copyright notus |
| 05:39.23 | Bagginsww | *notice |
| 05:39.31 | Bagginsww | that the material belongs to Blizzard |
| 05:39.38 | Bagginsww | with the exception of the open material |
| 05:39.44 | Bagginsww | open material being the rpg rules |
| 05:39.53 | Bagginsww | which we never put on the site anyways |
| 05:39.57 | DuTempete | Ah, DuTempete is also saying that :) |
| 05:40.12 | DuTempete | Aaaaanyway |
| 05:40.27 | Bagginsww | btw talking to somewone with two minds is creepy |
| 05:40.34 | DuTempete | Images and text from WoW do not detract from the sellability of WoW |
| 05:40.42 | DuTempete | But doing for books certainly does |
| 05:40.55 | Bagginsww | I crop images, most of the time |
| 05:41.02 | Bagginsww | its only a portion of the orignal image |
| 05:41.16 | Bagginsww | and most of those images appear on Sons of the STorms anyways :p |
| 05:41.25 | Bagginsww | or the artists sites |
| 05:41.38 | Bagginsww | uh oh are they breaking copyright? |
| 05:43.17 | DuTempete | Reproducing everything from the books makes them essentially worthless purchases (e.g. all the text, high-res images) |
| 05:43.33 | Bagginsww | there is that word again "Everything" |
| 05:43.38 | Bagginsww | noe one has posted everything |
| 05:43.41 | Bagginsww | *no |
| 05:43.48 | DuTempete | No, but we're getting way too close |
| 05:43.52 | Bagginsww | not even |
| 05:44.12 | Bagginsww | we have only put 10% of each book at the most |
| 05:44.16 | DuTempete | But even if we posted all the text from WoW, it wouldn't make WoW any less sellable |
| 05:44.42 | Bagginsww | 10% is even stretching it |
| 05:45.04 | DuTempete | Bagginsww: well, that's good, but we still have articles that are mostly made up of quotations, and that's not a good way of presentinig information, or likely to make the publishers very happy |
| 05:45.29 | Bagginsww | and imo why can't we paraphrase the WoW stuff too. |
| 05:45.43 | Bagginsww | paraphrasing looks more profressional |
| 05:45.53 | DuTempete | What do you mean exactly? |
| 05:46.01 | DuTempete | What WoW stuff is there to paraphrase? |
| 05:46.07 | Bagginsww | explain the lore behind a quest, not copy the quest lore verbatim |
| 05:46.26 | DuTempete | Quests don't really work like that |
| 05:46.34 | Bagginsww | paraphrase ingame books, not copy exactly |
| 05:47.10 | DuTempete | Do you have a good example of such a quest |
| 05:48.10 | Bagginsww | take any quest |
| 05:48.15 | DuTempete | As for n-game books, I think it's okay to reproduce them because they're intended to be read as books and are published on the WoW site as such. If we paraphrased them, we may as well not even have them and link to their topic pages. |
| 05:48.30 | Bagginsww | then link to the wow cite |
| 05:48.32 | Bagginsww | *site |
| 05:48.54 | DuTempete | Most quests just have a dude saying "go here, do this", nothing to parahrase |
| 05:49.04 | Bagginsww | no its more than that |
| 05:49.13 | DuTempete | Bagginsww: yes, we could indeed link to them |
| 05:50.32 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Galen_Trollbane a good example of a paraphrase is right there |
| 05:50.40 | Bagginsww | A Horde aligned troll named Zengu is seeking the sword Trol'kalar, legendary bane of trolls and heirloom of the Trollbane family, so that it can be used against the trolls of Zul'Gurub. The sword has been sealed in Thoras Trollbane's tomb since his death, and opening the tomb requires several sigils that are guarded by Stromgarde's fiercest warriors, the last one being guarded by Galen himself. After stealing the other sigils from their guardia |
| 05:50.40 | Bagginsww | ns, agents of the Horde must storm Galen's headquarters in the ruins of Stromgarde Keep, and eventually strike Galen down in order to steal his sigil. Not only would the Trol'kalar be stolen, but Galen's defeat would leave the future of the Kingdom of Stromgarde uncertain. |
| 05:51.07 | Bagginsww | point of note if anyone cares to read the text, they probably already have it and can read it in their quest long anyways |
| 05:51.27 | Bagginsww | but we can easily explain a quest through paraphrasing |
| 05:51.40 | Bagginsww | and give people the gist of what it's about without giving them original content |
| 05:52.16 | DuTempete | However, that's not what uses want |
| 05:52.53 | DuTempete | They just want the quest text |
| 05:52.59 | Bagginsww | and I get users that complain that we give too much about the quest, but not enoug how to finish it... they'd rather have strategy |
| 05:53.12 | Bagginsww | you can't make everyone happy |
| 05:53.14 | Bagginsww | impossible |
| 05:53.27 | DuTempete | Who are we making unhappy? |
| 05:53.29 | pcj | or just have 3 versions of each quest |
| 05:53.48 | Bagginsww | people who don't carea bout the lore |
| 05:54.01 | DuTempete | Bagginsww: that's the point of the quest pages, people add the strategies to them ... |
| 05:54.02 | Bagginsww | and just want explanaiton on where to go and how to complete it |
| 05:54.07 | Bagginsww | the ones that don't bother to read quest longs |
| 05:54.09 | Bagginsww | *logs |
| 05:54.31 | Bagginsww | but they compalin that they have to go through the stuff they didnt' want to read in the ifrst place |
| 05:54.41 | DuTempete | Who? Where? |
| 05:54.54 | Bagginsww | people I"ve met in real life, at my university even |
| 05:55.20 | Bagginsww | most I don't bother tell that I'm an admin here |
| 05:55.30 | DuTempete | I don't deny our quest pages could do with summaries, but I don't think anyone's asking for them to replace the existing quest stuff |
| 05:56.02 | DuTempete | Reason why they appear as they do is because that's how you get them from the game |
| 05:56.05 | Bagginsww | I'm just saying you can't really quantify that most eople want that or not. and to be fair its probably just a few that creally carea bout that stuff |
| 05:56.15 | DuTempete | e.g. http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Sigil_of_Trollbane |
| 05:56.19 | Bagginsww | the majority of WoW players form what I seen care less about the lore |
| 05:56.25 | Bagginsww | and more interested int eh game itself |
| 05:56.51 | DuTempete | I have no idea what you're arguing for now :P |
| 05:57.10 | Bagginsww | I'm not sure where I stand either. I told you I'm in the middle of two sides each with how they want thigns |
| 05:57.16 | DuTempete | heh |
| 05:57.35 | Bagginsww | I have peopel who get mad because I paraphrased something from the rpg |
| 05:57.52 | Bagginsww | and then they go back and make it verbatim |
| 05:57.53 | DuTempete | You're in the right there |
| 05:58.22 | Bagginsww | I'm just saying yo can't please everyone :p |
| 05:58.50 | DuTempete | I just argue that WoW text and images are given different status by Blizz, in that they don't mind it at all. |
| 05:59.17 | Bagginsww | well I don't necessarily want to argue that exactly, because there really are restrictions. I don't like to "lie" |
| 05:59.37 | Bagginsww | WoW images are defintely ok |
| 06:00.01 | Bagginsww | text is actually something they have on their list if can't do unless you do, blah blah stuff |
| 06:00.17 | Bagginsww | sorry if that came out sounding odd :p |
| 06:00.31 | DuTempete | :) |
| 06:01.04 | DuTempete | k, then, if we're to ask the, I would specifically ask about the in-game books |
| 06:01.08 | DuTempete | *ask them |
| 06:01.11 | Bagginsww | one of those restrictions including the "do not make money off" bit :p |
| 06:01.27 | DuTempete | Yeah, do not make money off probably refers to charging for content |
| 06:01.50 | Bagginsww | well as I recally it also says, indirectly too |
| 06:02.03 | Bagginsww | apparently wanting ot cover all bases |
| 06:02.08 | DuTempete | Bleh, we're still an official fan site :)\ |
| 06:02.27 | Bagginsww | ya and read the TOS for becoming one, and staying one :p |
| 06:02.37 | Bagginsww | same wording LOL |
| 06:04.27 | Bagginsww | Who am I talking to exactly? Ducutus of burn (locutus of borg)? |
| 06:04.51 | Bagginsww | DuBurn, :) |
| 06:05.38 | Bagginsww | or Dut'Kirk for Ogre Magi ;) |
| 06:05.51 | Bagginsww | two headed ogres |
| 06:05.54 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 06:06.02 | DuTempete | Du, now |
| 06:06.06 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 06:06.09 | DuTempete | Kirky is playing Vice City |
| 06:06.21 | Bagginsww | cool cool |
| 06:06.26 | Bagginsww | I need to try one of those out |
| 06:06.37 | DuTempete | but you were talking to Kirky about the ToU |
| 06:06.39 | Bagginsww | last one I played was Mafia |
| 06:06.47 | DuTempete | GTA2 is free |
| 06:07.01 | Bagginsww | is that the overhead style games? |
| 06:07.43 | DuTempete | Grand Theft Auto? no |
| 06:07.59 | Bagginsww | I thought GTA2 was overhead view |
| 06:08.08 | Bagginsww | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_2 :p |
| 06:08.12 | DuTempete | oh, I guess it is |
| 06:08.16 | DuTempete | I haven't played it, yet |
| 06:08.18 | DuTempete | just Vice City |
| 06:08.19 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 06:08.35 | Bagginsww | ya, the vice city on up are generally considered the best of the series from what I read |
| 06:08.39 | Bagginsww | when it became immersive |
| 06:08.52 | Bagginsww | instead of just alot of mindless action |
| 06:09.05 | Bagginsww | more free roam |
| 06:09.52 | DuTempete | VC rocks :P |
| 06:09.59 | Bagginsww | I'm thinking of getting godfather when its like $10. I like era themed games |
| 06:10.22 | Bagginsww | 360 collector's edition I think was supposed to be the best version |
| 06:11.37 | Bagginsww | but ya Mafia was a good game imo |
| 06:11.39 | Bagginsww | good story |
| 06:12.06 | DuTempete | oooh, there's a godfather game? |
| 06:12.20 | Bagginsww | http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_vg/104-8081821-4226348?url=search-alias%3Dvideogames&field-keywords=godfather take your pick |
| 06:12.32 | Bagginsww | there are so many versions of the same game |
| 06:13.05 | Bagginsww | blackhand added alot of content but wiicontrole wasn't implemented veyr well |
| 06:13.10 | Bagginsww | as is the issue with most ports |
| 06:13.37 | Bagginsww | http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_vg/105-8014567-3473209?url=search-alias%3Dvideogames&field-keywords=mafia but mafia that game is cool |
| 06:13.52 | Bagginsww | same team company as GTA right? |
| 06:14.02 | Bagginsww | ooh mafia 2 |
| 06:14.30 | Bagginsww | didn't even know they were making it. |
| 06:15.05 | DuTempete | Rockstar ftw |
| 06:15.13 | Bagginsww | ok rockstar just distributed it |
| 06:15.16 | Bagginsww | didn't make it |
| 06:15.35 | Bagginsww | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia:_The_City_of_Lost_Heaven |
| 06:15.38 | DuTempete | Still Roskstar ftw :) |
| 06:15.40 | Bagginsww | but ya the game was great |
| 06:15.59 | Bagginsww | if you like 1930-50's era plot and action |
| 06:16.51 | Bagginsww | and ya the game more or less went from 1920 or so up to 1948 or so, with sme bits around 1955. |
| 06:17.09 | Bagginsww | 1955 was mainly epilogue |
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| 06:35.10 | DuTempete | Yeah, I'm a fan of Mafia stories, especially the Italian mafia. |
| 06:44.32 | pcj | Should I write that down in my dossier on DuTempete or Kirkburn |
| 06:44.46 | DuTempete | lol |
| 06:45.26 | DuTempete | You can put that down for both of us. |
| 06:46.06 | DuTempete | I'm more of a Godfather fan, he's more into RL mafia :P |
| 06:53.34 | DuTempete | so, pcj, what purpose do you think this dossier would be put to? :P |
| 06:54.16 | pcj | The whole curiosity thing, is that Kirkburn or DuTempete |
| 06:54.42 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 07:03.36 | Bagginsww | DuTempete belongs to the Mafia, ;) |
| 07:04.01 | DuTempete | well, I am Italian, and from Chicago... |
| 07:04.06 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 07:04.24 | Bagginsww | I'm more a general film noir, era piece fan |
| 07:04.35 | Bagginsww | I like war movies set in that era too. |
| 07:05.00 | DuTempete | ewwww war films |
| 07:06.12 | Bagginsww | I like war films with stories, not pure action |
| 07:06.28 | Bagginsww | I couldn't follow black hawk down :p |
| 07:07.52 | Bagginsww | anycase as I was saying you can find most artists who do rpg stuff online |
| 07:11.22 | Bagginsww | All artwork in this album is property of Whitewolf Publishing and Blizzard Entertainment and may not be copied or reproduced without their permission. |
| 07:11.34 | Bagginsww | so perhaps we remove artwork :) |
| 07:11.42 | Bagginsww | or ask their permission |
| 07:13.58 | DuTempete | Or ... or we continue with loose fair use |
| 07:14.36 | DuTempete | And don't scan use too high-quality versions |
| 07:15.23 | Bagginsww | I don't have a scanner or the books to scan, :p.... I'm just using the poor quality scans in the pdfs, and cropping/paintshopping out text :p |
| 07:15.59 | Darlok | hey where do i install TITAN PANEL to? do i need to make a directory called TITANPANEL in /interface/addons directory for it? |
| 07:18.06 | Bagginsww | so generally this is a reduced, "print screen" matter |
| 07:18.22 | Bagginsww | sorry can't help darlok, maybe someone else knows :( |
| 07:18.30 | Darlok | np thanks |
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| 08:18.38 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:AzsharaSL.gif <-- why the hell is that upscaling on it's page. looks horrible. |
| 08:19.03 | Zeal | dimensions listed are wrong. |
| 08:19.42 | Zeal | ah nvm, weird cache issue. |
| 08:20.36 | Zeal | probablem is, there's now a .jpg on a .gif page. |
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| 08:28.27 | Bagginsww | hmm, so it needs to be renamed |
| 08:28.42 | Bagginsww | it didn't save as a gif eh? |
| 08:32.59 | Zeal | apparently not. |
| 08:33.14 | Zeal | which is actually a good thing |
| 08:33.17 | Bagginsww | I don't have the right software to convert it |
| 08:33.26 | Bagginsww | so I'll just save it as its correct format |
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| 08:35.21 | Bagginsww | zeal let me know if that happened to any other images |
| 08:35.31 | Bagginsww | or let someone know :p |
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| 08:43.05 | Bagginsww | kirkburn around? |
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| 08:44.19 | Zeal | i take it admins can move images then? :( |
| 08:44.31 | Zeal | oh wait, nvm guess not. |
| 08:44.36 | Zeal | wtb that feature. |
| 08:45.41 | Bagginsww | sounds good to me |
| 08:46.10 | Zeal | so, did you see what i said about my wow comic? :P |
| 08:46.12 | DuTempete | Bagginsww: sup |
| 08:46.31 | Bagginsww | can you set King's Quest omnipedia to sign in only mode? |
| 08:46.41 | Bagginsww | http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page |
| 08:47.13 | Bagginsww | we got the first spammer there since the moving started taking place ;p |
| 08:47.36 | Zeal | lol, thought it would have been locked down during moving anyway. |
| 08:47.46 | DuTempete | Wow, a whole one vandal :O |
| 08:47.55 | Zeal | hehe |
| 08:47.58 | Bagginsww | ya but tsame kind of vandal |
| 08:48.04 | Bagginsww | once its tarts it becomes the flood |
| 08:48.28 | DuTempete | Unless yo have hugely serious issues, Wikia will really resist it |
| 08:48.52 | DuTempete | Wikia should be able to deal with spammers quite easily |
| 08:49.01 | Bagginsww | well its started because old server now redirects to the wikia server |
| 08:49.06 | DuTempete | regex blocks, etc |
| 08:49.35 | Bagginsww | is there any kind of built in spam blocker? |
| 08:49.57 | DuTempete | I suggest reporting problems to #wikia or the community team |
| 08:50.17 | DuTempete | (e.g. sannse when she's around) |
| 08:50.27 | Bagginsww | well right now angela is working on cleaning up the old spam |
| 08:50.29 | DuTempete | Yeah, there's a spam blocker |
| 08:50.48 | DuTempete | Also, move vandalism is pretty much impossible |
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| 08:51.12 | DuTempete | From non-admins moving is throttles |
| 08:51.17 | DuTempete | *for |
| 08:51.33 | Bagginsww | http://kingsquest.wikia.com/index.php?title=King%27s_Quest_IX%3A_It_Takes_Two_to_Tangle&diff=25502&oldid=21282 that's the kind of spam we got on the old and the first one on the new LOL |
| 08:51.45 | Bagginsww | weird gibberish |
| 08:51.58 | Bagginsww | the other kind was links to random sites, and porn |
| 08:52.08 | Bagginsww | lots of advertisement sites |
| 08:52.27 | Bagginsww | you might also notice the problem that images aren't correnctly showing |
| 08:52.28 | DuTempete | Should certainly be blockable |
| 08:52.35 | Bagginsww | they are working on that |
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| 08:55.08 | Zeal | Bagginsww, "so, did you see what i said about my wow comic? :P" >_> |
| 08:55.16 | Bagginsww | nope |
| 08:55.27 | Zeal | I got mine today |
| 08:55.33 | Zeal | well, yesterday |
| 08:55.47 | Bagginsww | and what issue was it? |
| 08:55.58 | Zeal | except, it was issue #2, and it was crap condition (extreme bends, a small rip through the top) |
| 08:56.19 | Bagginsww | go figure |
| 08:56.39 | Darlok | hey my Titan Panel doesnt' work with WOW.. does anyone know why? |
| 08:56.42 | Bagginsww | all though that's a mailing issue, not exactly their fault, and they warned it wouldn't be "protected', :p |
| 08:56.51 | Darlok | can someone help me out |
| 08:56.52 | Zeal | love it, they package it with a piece of card, thinner and easier to bend than the comic itself, and sticks a sticker on it saying "do not bed".. like that's going to do anything? |
| 08:57.01 | Zeal | did they? :S |
| 08:57.02 | Zeal | meh. |
| 08:57.12 | Bagginsww | only a few subscription services offer carded and wrapped, :p |
| 08:57.18 | Bagginsww | all should |
| 08:57.23 | Bagginsww | and it should be standard |
| 08:57.33 | Bagginsww | so it had a card |
| 08:57.36 | Bagginsww | but it was cheap? |
| 08:57.50 | Zeal | yeah |
| 08:57.54 | Bagginsww | Lawl |
| 08:57.57 | Zeal | nearly paper like |
| 08:58.13 | Bagginsww | best service I had put card on both sides, the do not bend stickers and then put it into a mailer |
| 08:58.16 | Zeal | lame really, simple enough. two bits of corigated cardboard, and it'll be miles safer. |
| 08:58.24 | Bagginsww | but that's what you get out of a comic shop |
| 08:58.36 | Zeal | <3 amazon's packaging |
| 08:58.58 | Zeal | also went to waterstones and spent soem xmas vouchers. bought pretty much all the w40k horus heresy series of novels. |
| 08:58.59 | Bagginsww | by mailer i mean foam/bubbly manila |
| 08:59.10 | Zeal | jiffy bag :p |
| 08:59.21 | Bagginsww | never heard that therm heh |
| 08:59.22 | Zeal | i'd be happpy even without that. |
| 08:59.28 | Zeal | brand name for them |
| 08:59.32 | Zeal | only ones i ever see tbh. |
| 08:59.35 | Bagginsww | oh |
| 09:00.02 | Zeal | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiffy_bag |
| 09:00.09 | Bagginsww | then tehre is the cardboard mailer same as manila but harder |
| 09:00.11 | Zeal | apparently, the original brand |
| 09:00.19 | Bagginsww | also seen used for comics |
| 09:00.23 | Bagginsww | adn its decent |
| 09:00.31 | Bagginsww | not corregated but it does its job |
| 09:01.09 | Bagginsww | jiffy lube, and jiffy pop, :p |
| 09:02.36 | Zeal | basically, just some cheap thick card that can absorb some bumps and won't bend easily. anyone who can't even go that far is cheap, lol. |
| 09:02.45 | Zeal | lol |
| 09:05.30 | Zeal | if they try and send me an issue#1 reprint i'll be pissed, i didn't pay for no crappy b&w cover. |
| 09:05.55 | Zeal | anyways, gunna listen to the blizzcast now. |
| 09:16.06 | Bagginsww | zeal ya we don't need fancy colors. grey would be better |
| 09:16.17 | Zeal | :) |
| 09:17.21 | Bagginsww | can't stand when people go about making colored tables and it doesn't help for those either. |
| 09:17.35 | Bagginsww | wants to kill orc tribe template, and language template :p |
| 09:20.38 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox#Book |
| 09:20.44 | Zeal | really so hard? |
| 09:21.16 | Bagginsww | what's it look like with a slightly lighter grey than the surrounding for comparison |
| 09:21.35 | Zeal | hm? |
| 09:21.57 | Bagginsww | is the grey inside the box darker than outside the box, or is that just an optical illusion? |
| 09:22.12 | Zeal | it's darker, aye. |
| 09:22.17 | Bagginsww | if the former, how would it look if you made the grey inside the box, lighter. |
| 09:22.25 | Bagginsww | lighter than surrounding grey |
| 09:22.32 | Zeal | kk, one sec. |
| 09:23.42 | Taurmindo | [[Michael the dwarf]] |
| 09:23.43 | [NewsBot] | Taurmindo meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Michael_the_dwarf |
| 09:23.59 | Bagginsww | working on blocking him |
| 09:24.36 | Bagginsww | if you would be so kind to put him on the violation list :p |
| 09:24.40 | Bagginsww | or ehr |
| 09:24.42 | Bagginsww | *her |
| 09:24.46 | Taurmindo | sure. |
| 09:24.51 | Taurmindo | what's the point of http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Darkweaver_Syth&curid=61968&diff=1120198&oldid=1116982 edits btw? |
| 09:25.52 | Zeal | check now baggins |
| 09:26.14 | Bagginsww | hmm I kind of like the effect of lighter. Looks like it floats |
| 09:26.22 | Bagginsww | although it makes white slightly harder to read |
| 09:26.45 | Zeal | well i prefer inset boxes, but outset is good too. |
| 09:26.52 | Zeal | and yeah, lighter it is, harder to read. |
| 09:27.15 | Bagginsww | the darker one looks almost too dark, but its at least easy on the eyes |
| 09:28.28 | Zeal | Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Rita2wadd". The reason given for Rita2wadd's block is: "Inserting nonsense/gibberish into pages: creating nonsense pages" |
| 09:28.31 | Zeal | wtf?!?!? |
| 09:28.42 | Bagginsww | we have had that problem all day |
| 09:29.11 | Zeal | i noticed, but i shouldn't have been effected |
| 09:29.15 | Bagginsww | fandy knows how to fix it I think :p |
| 09:29.19 | Zeal | oh wait, i know why i might be. |
| 09:29.41 | Zeal | nope, makes no sense |
| 09:29.47 | Zeal | my ip is not shared with anyone |
| 09:30.06 | Zeal | thought i was still using my isp's webcache proxy. |
| 09:30.32 | Zeal | fine now : / |
| 09:30.41 | Bagginsww | lawl |
| 09:31.56 | Zeal | and now it's back.. |
| 09:32.05 | Zeal | and now it's gone.. |
| 09:32.09 | Zeal | this is fun. |
| 09:34.16 | Zeal | Baggins, can you actually see what the ip is? |
| 09:35.31 | Bagginsww | nope :p |
| 09:37.24 | Zeal | wondering if the person was using said proxy, which would likely blick me every other edit as the proxy caches for everyone on my isp. |
| 09:37.36 | Zeal | *block me |
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| 09:43.21 | Zeal | added two more Bagginsww |
| 09:44.08 | Bagginsww | third is same color inside and out? |
| 09:44.45 | Bagginsww | I think I like the second and third the best. easiest on the eyes |
| 09:45.11 | Taurmindo | no Zeal, i get the same problem and i'm not using any proxy, and it's not my ip.. |
| 09:45.37 | Zeal | yours form rita too? |
| 09:45.56 | Zeal | *from |
| 09:46.10 | Taurmindo | aye. |
| 09:46.34 | Taurmindo | funny enough, the edit i was trying to do was to add rita to the vandals list. ;) |
| 09:46.58 | Zeal | second and third are same bg colours, only 2 is made to look outset, 3 is made to look inset. |
| 09:47.06 | Zeal | ok, for us both to be blocked, that's a bug |
| 09:47.14 | Zeal | with mediawiki. |
| 09:47.31 | Zeal | nothing to do with what ip is being blocked |
| 09:47.40 | Zeal | as we're both on completely different isps and ranges. |
| 09:49.17 | Taurmindo | Your IP address is 10.8.2.141, and your block has been set to expire: $6. Other details may appear on WoWWiki:Violations. |
| 09:49.28 | Taurmindo | ah, good ol' $6. |
| 09:50.20 | Kalroth | owned! |
| 09:50.46 | Bagginsww | well I gave the vandal infinite block so your doomed |
| 09:50.58 | Bagginsww | * you are |
| 09:51.40 | Kalroth | I think I'll vandalize Baggins user page. I think I'll add some .. boobies! |
| 09:52.27 | Bagginsww | hmm boobies, red footed or blue? |
| 09:53.42 | Kalroth | Blue of course. |
| 09:53.54 | Bagginsww | hawt |
| 09:53.55 | Kalroth | The red footed one is a hoax! |
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| 09:54.53 | Zeal | lol |
| 09:54.54 | Bagginsww | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Red-footed_booby.jpg kinky |
| 09:55.19 | *** part/#wowwiki Choppa (n=bowl_of_@219-89-0-201.dialup.xtra.co.nz) |
| 09:55.27 | Kalroth | It's really the blue footed that's been sitting in red/orange paint. |
| 09:55.33 | Taurmindo | wtfdmnit fix my ediitng. :( |
| 09:55.37 | Bagginsww | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Booby.jpg shake it baby |
| 09:56.21 | Bagginsww | nothing better than boobies, except |
| 09:56.30 | Bagginsww | brown boobies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Brown_boobytern_.JPG |
| 09:56.48 | Kalroth | Nice boobies. |
| 09:57.14 | Zeal | bah, blocked again, unblocked again. |
| 09:57.49 | Zeal | "Your IP address is 10.8.2.141, and your block has been set to expire: $6" which is not my IP, so it's a bug in mediawiki : / |
| 09:58.33 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:AzsharaSL.jpg <-- boobies |
| 09:59.20 | Bagginsww | indeed |
| 09:59.59 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Reddragon.JPG More Boobies |
| 10:04.05 | Zeal | yeah, i can't edit. fun |
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| 10:06.45 | Zeal | intermittent blocks in my userspace, complete block outside it. |
| 10:07.10 | Zeal | except userspace talk pages. |
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| 10:13.24 | Zeal | or not.. all intermittent : / |
| 10:20.08 | Taurmindo | same here. |
| 10:20.10 | Taurmindo | fix plz! |
| 10:23.18 | Zeal | posted on fandy's page |
| 10:23.42 | Zeal | honestly, for now it's be simpler if you reverted the ban Baggins, they only made one pretty harmless edit anyways. |
| 10:23.55 | Zeal | Bagginsww |
| 10:24.18 | Bagginsww | I'm not sure fixing them would fix your problem, :p |
| 10:24.26 | Bagginsww | but ok |
| 10:25.58 | Bagginsww | LOL it hit me too |
| 10:26.53 | Zeal | lol |
| 10:27.06 | Bagginsww | and I'm going to have to manually unblock you all |
| 10:27.10 | Zeal | tracing the ip has no results too. |
| 10:28.03 | Bagginsww | fixed? |
| 10:28.05 | Zeal | http://visualiptrace.visualware.com/reports/report-20080111-0527-10.8.2.141.html |
| 10:28.07 | Zeal | lol |
| 10:28.29 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 10:28.37 | Zeal | yuup, fine now. |
| 10:29.02 | Zeal | tested one the pages that was 100% fail. |
| 10:29.10 | Bagginsww | just put rita up on the violation list so people remember |
| 10:29.21 | Bagginsww | and add the bit that, blocking her causes doom, :p |
| 10:30.18 | Zeal | i'm hoping blizz remembered what a contextual image is with the blizzcast. http://eu.blizzard.com/blizzcast/_images/episode1/sunwell4.jpg would be magister's terrace. |
| 10:31.03 | Taurmindo | Zeal: (s)he did two pretty harmless edits, not one. ;P |
| 10:31.21 | Zeal | was only one when i checked his contribs :S |
| 10:31.43 | Bagginsww | except the kind of edit that was made is not allowed |
| 10:31.54 | Bagginsww | creating pointless pages, with pointless gibberish |
| 10:32.10 | Zeal | ofc it's not allowed, but it's relatively harmless. |
| 10:32.25 | Zeal | suprised you banned him anyway. |
| 10:32.43 | Bagginsww | why? |
| 10:32.58 | Bagginsww | I caught her in the act :p |
| 10:33.02 | Zeal | did seem worthy of one, would have given a warning. |
| 10:33.04 | Taurmindo | he created the page [[Asa]] with content "Asa", but also the [[Michael the dwarf]] page. |
| 10:33.05 | [NewsBot] | Taurmindo meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Michael_the_dwarf |
| 10:36.11 | Zeal | that wasn't on his contribs when i checked initally. wtf? :s |
| 10:36.27 | Zeal | did the deletion of the page remove the contrib history? |
| 10:37.49 | Taurmindo | apparently. |
| 10:38.07 | Bagginsww | ya it does |
| 10:38.08 | Taurmindo | was michael the dwarf which i noticed, asa was on her contrib list. |
| 10:38.22 | Bagginsww | I don't remember deleting asa :p |
| 10:38.45 | Zeal | there we go then :P |
| 10:38.55 | Bagginsww | ok now asa is working :p |
| 10:39.02 | Bagginsww | a moment ago it was telling me this page doesn't exist |
| 10:39.20 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Asa |
| 10:39.45 | Zeal | weird |
| 10:41.27 | Bagginsww | well night |
| 10:41.33 | Taurmindo | so, could any of you explain the reason for the http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Talon_King_Ikiss&curid=63527&diff=1120241&oldid=1106235 kind of edits? |
| 10:41.47 | Zeal | nn Bagginsww |
| 10:42.34 | Taurmindo | it seams totally random too, since not all of the - are changed, but most of them are. |
| 10:42.59 | Zeal | ffs.. |
| 10:43.07 | Zeal | endashes is wrong |
| 10:43.11 | Zeal | emdashes are right |
| 10:43.45 | Taurmindo | uh, you lost me. ;P |
| 10:44.12 | Taurmindo | ah, they're longer dashes, right? |
| 10:44.51 | Taurmindo | but why use stuff like "level 62–63" instead of the very much simplier "level 62-63"? |
| 10:48.55 | Zeal | en dashes are right too, woops. |
| 10:49.05 | Zeal | because he's marking thme up correctly |
| 10:49.22 | Zeal | same way that everyone has got into the habit of using " instead of the left and right quotes |
| 10:49.29 | Zeal | because it's quicker and easier |
| 10:49.51 | Zeal | because keyboards cater towards only a select few symbols. |
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| 10:50.18 | Zeal | i don't honestly knwo the correct uses for them though. |
| 10:50.36 | Zeal | anyways, i've dropped a line on his talk page, as him to refrain until a policy can be decided on it. |
| 10:50.57 | Zeal | unless people know and we have a guideline, it's jsut going to confuse people and make editing slower/harder. |
| 10:52.17 | Taurmindo | that's what i thought. |
| 10:53.42 | Zeal | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dash |
| 10:53.50 | Zeal | if you wish to educate yourself as i am :P |
| 10:58.50 | Zeal | been nice to have taught such things in school, lol |
| 10:59.30 | Zeal | so the default - is a hyphen or minus symbol, created specifically for computers so both could be used. |
| 10:59.46 | Taurmindo | aye. |
| 11:00.30 | Taurmindo | and tbh, it'll be alot easier both to read source when editing and to do the actual edits if we just can use the - instead of adding htmlchars. |
| 11:01.08 | Taurmindo | hey Zeal, sign your usertalk talks! :) |
| 11:01.23 | Zeal | i didn't? woops |
| 11:02.21 | Zeal | honestly, i'd prefer it we used the proper symbols |
| 11:02.25 | Zeal | but it does slow things down |
| 11:02.43 | Zeal | i'd <3 a little sidebar to the edit box which had a list of symbols for input |
| 11:02.59 | Zeal | that's work well and not slow down editing then. |
| 11:03.02 | Zeal | *that'd |
| 11:03.04 | Taurmindo | true. |
| 11:03.22 | Taurmindo | but the largest problem, imo, is rather that people do not know when to use which. |
| 11:03.50 | Zeal | yuup |
| 11:04.12 | Taurmindo | so even if there's a quick-button to insert the right one.. when people have the choice of three different ones, it isn't so easy to click the right one. |
| 11:04.19 | Taurmindo | even if it's easily accessed. ;P |
| 11:04.23 | Zeal | not sur what edit guidelines are linked on the edit page, but checking it in one of those would help. |
| 11:04.41 | Zeal | *chucking |
| 11:05.16 | Zeal | thing is, doing it properly eliminates the use of - |
| 11:05.39 | Zeal | unsure if we should use that for hyphens and minus, or use their real symbols. |
| 11:06.13 | Taurmindo | couldn't e.g. the npctemplate which shows level a-b automaticly change the - to a ndash, so it looks right but is actually (possible to have) typed wrong? |
| 11:06.22 | Zeal | be cool if when i pressed - on my keyboard, it brought up a small box on screen to select which one i meant :P |
| 11:07.22 | Zeal | don't follow, plus i've not looked at the template's code. one sec. |
| 11:08.45 | Zeal | it takes the full string, so nope. |
| 11:09.06 | Zeal | a bot to correct all usage would be best. |
| 11:09.30 | Zeal | i know sky has been using AWB to convert some xhtml character references to unicode which was nice. |
| 11:11.08 | Taurmindo | well, it is using the full string yes, but it could be changed to replace that part of the full string, couldn't it? |
| 11:13.14 | Zeal | if we had string functions install yes. but a template can't do that atm, no. |
| 11:13.19 | Zeal | *installed |
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| 11:56.17 | Zeal | http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php < -lol |
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| 12:00.56 | Zeal | should probably organise soemthing for winter-een-mas again. |
| 12:10.05 | Darlok | hey whats the best dungeon for a lvl 34 priest? |
| 12:10.12 | Darlok | which dungeon is the best to play at ? |
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| 15:27.39 | sacarasc | the Darkmoon Faire just killed me! :O |
| 15:27.44 | ralfWORK | ?? |
| 15:27.50 | ralfWORK | I got my Blessings Deck this week |
| 15:27.56 | sacarasc | shot out of the cannon on thunderbluff |
| 15:28.08 | sacarasc | wings ran out and i fell to my death |
| 15:28.52 | ralfWORK | HAHAHAHAAHA |
| 15:29.15 | sacarasc | yeah, hilarious ;( |
| 15:29.25 | ralfWORK | I did that in Shatt |
| 15:29.28 | ralfWORK | seemed like a fun game |
| 15:29.40 | ralfWORK | but when I found out you don't get anything by landing on the target |
| 15:29.42 | ralfWORK | I stopped :( |
| 15:31.40 | sacarasc | heh |
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| 15:47.43 | zeal | damn dominos buggy site. one of their free toppings was costing money when they applied the discount for a certain deal. : / |
| 15:47.55 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 15:51.21 | zeal | not gunna order what i wanted now, all for the sake of 90p, lol |
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| 15:52.01 | sacarasc | druid talent builds... |
| 15:52.09 | sacarasc | full feral and feral hybrid are the same |
| 15:53.25 | zeal | roughly :p |
| 15:54.06 | sacarasc | they are |
| 15:54.19 | sacarasc | exactly |
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| 16:02.15 | zeal | god, it's evne mroe confusing. for some reason if you have 8 or 9 toppings, it charges you for the last 2, even if one of them is a free one. it shouldn't be charging you period. |
| 16:02.49 | ralfWORK | wtf |
| 16:02.51 | ralfWORK | 9 toppings? |
| 16:02.56 | ralfWORK | dude that's like another pizza |
| 16:05.16 | Gourra | that's one big pizza |
| 16:05.31 | Gourra | big family? |
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| 16:11.37 | zeal | lol |
| 16:11.40 | zeal | it's only a small pizza |
| 16:11.47 | ralfWORK | goddamn |
| 16:11.48 | zeal | dominos allow up to 9 toppings on theirs |
| 16:11.56 | ralfWORK | so... |
| 16:11.56 | ralfWORK | wow |
| 16:12.01 | ralfWORK | just waw |
| 16:12.44 | zeal | that doesn't include sauces and cheeses |
| 16:12.48 | zeal | :p |
| 16:13.01 | Gourra | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Burning_Legion&diff=1112289&oldid=1112120 |
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| 16:13.03 | Gourra | what... |
| 16:13.16 | Lukeyo | o hai |
| 16:13.26 | ralfWORK | Y HALLO |
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| 16:14.36 | zeal | Pizza sauce, double mozzarella, double sausage, double ground beef, double peperoni, mushroom, tomato and green peppers. |
| 16:14.47 | Gourra | ._. |
| 16:15.01 | Gourra | you have quite an appetite |
| 16:15.22 | zeal | just experimenting because i have 24 vouchers to waste. |
| 16:15.23 | zeal | lol |
| 16:15.47 | zeal | plus i'll probably eat half of it, and have the rest for breakfast the next day. |
| 16:16.08 | Gourra | leftover pizza for breakfast? |
| 16:16.24 | zeal | still, it's only a small pizza, not a large, so the portions are relative to the pizza size. |
| 16:16.27 | zeal | indeed |
| 16:17.20 | zeal | i usually each about 40% of a large pizza to myself with a side, so a medium is probably about right without any sides, a small with. |
| 16:17.28 | zeal | *eat about |
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| 16:19.52 | sacarasc | zeal: define large |
| 16:20.53 | zeal | 13.5" split in 10 slices. med: 11.5"/8. small: 9.5"/6. personal: 7"/4. |
| 16:21.32 | sacarasc | ah... the large around here is 15"... i can eat half of one by myself |
| 16:21.39 | zeal | hehe |
| 16:22.28 | sacarasc | family run place... £7.75 for 15" and 1.5l bottle of drink |
| 16:22.29 | sacarasc | \o/ |
| 16:22.38 | sacarasc | (after 2130) |
| 16:24.16 | zeal | i've got 11 buy one pizza + starter and get second cheaper pizza free, 1 20% off for orders 20+ online only, 6 50% off for orders 50+ (save one of these for winter-een-mas plans :P), 6 30% off 30+ orders. |
| 16:24.31 | Gourra | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Burning_Legion&diff=1112289&oldid=1112120 |
| 16:24.45 | zeal | seems rather lame that theres only 1 for use online. |
| 16:36.10 | zeal | mm.. there we go, ordered a large instead, lol. |
| 16:36.29 | zeal | because i still lack a doorbell upstairs, i'll be gone. bbl. |
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| 17:05.29 | ralfWORK | wtf I left for lunch and we're still talking about pizza? |
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| 17:45.51 | Vindheimer | Hey! Would anyone like to give me some feedback on a guide from your page I've translated? |
| 17:48.37 | Vindheimer | Hoho? |
| 17:49.24 | Vindheimer | Well, I'll check back later when you're awake. |
| 17:49.28 | Vindheimer | Cherio! |
| 17:49.52 | Vindheimer | !disconnect |
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| 18:00.29 | sacarasc | any wine users here? friend has a really nice problem that i have no idea about... all his graphics seem really laggy, takes time for anything to happen, etc |
| 18:12.28 | sacarasc | (18:04:08) Elusiveness: Using mount not easy... for about 45secs-a minute everything but the map is frozen so I have to guide via the map... Then it'll unfreeze... And another 30secs later the horse will appear |
| 18:12.28 | sacarasc | (18:09:52) Elusiveness: Even stranger... Heathstone to shatt, worked normal... Tho all the NPC's aren't about and neither are the portals |
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| 18:40.50 | pcj | sloowwiki |
| 18:41.41 | pcj | !jobqueue |
| 18:41.42 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 197 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 3mins 17secs. |
| 18:41.44 | pcj | !wwstats |
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| 18:44.25 | sacarasc | irc stats are tainted ;o |
| 19:00.15 | pcj | hmm |
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| 19:26.07 | johnnyd2 | WHASSUP! |
| 19:26.40 | pcj | hi |
| 19:32.41 | pcj | nice |
| 19:32.57 | KirkTempete|afk | pfffft. |
| 19:33.02 | pcj | what |
| 19:33.21 | KirkTempete|afk | who |
| 19:33.25 | pcj | k |
| 19:33.31 | KirkTempete|afk | no wai |
| 19:35.04 | KirkTempete|afk | sorry pcj... trying to get Kirky up so we can go visit my mom :P |
| 19:35.28 | pcj | in my pants |
| 19:36.03 | KirkTempete|afk | no, she'll be at her house. She would've mentioned your pants if that were the case, and we would've made plans for another time. |
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| 19:52.20 | zeal | lol@DuTempete merging with Kirkburn on the stats now :p |
| 19:52.53 | sacarasc | yes |
| 19:52.55 | sacarasc | TAINTED |
| 19:54.12 | Zeal | Blizzard blocked the stats from an action then? |
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| 20:12.29 | winkiller | lol |
| 20:20.31 | pcj | is the wiki not working for anyone else |
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| 20:26.55 | winkiller | no |
| 20:27.01 | Zeal | working for me |
| 20:27.31 | Zeal | but it's been slow and intermitently awfully slow for a while now, before the upgrade. |
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| 20:37.45 | pcj | why purging my cookies helps, i'll never know |
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| 20:43.38 | Zeal | :S |
| 20:43.44 | Zeal | wb Bagginsww |
| 20:43.51 | Bagginsww | ya zeal? |
| 20:44.08 | pcj | Navigation bars strike again! http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Manual_of_Style:_navigation_bars |
| 20:44.14 | Zeal | hm? just saying welcome back. |
| 20:44.53 | Zeal | yeah.. dunno why he brought it up seperately. Kirkburn undid sky's additions last i checked, saying it needs to be discussed first. |
| 20:44.53 | Bagginsww | gg |
| 20:45.05 | pcj | yeap |
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| 20:46.59 | Vindheimer | Anyone here? |
| 20:47.16 | Bagginsww | pulls out BAR and shoots templates |
| 20:47.24 | Vindheimer | Anyway, I have something I think you should like to know. Wowwiki Denmark has created a guide on how to scam other users |
| 20:47.27 | Vindheimer | http://da.wow.wikia.com/wiki/WoW_scams%2C_hvordan_du_kan_undgå_at_blive_scammet |
| 20:47.50 | Vindheimer | Any Danish Wowwiki admins online? |
| 20:48.37 | Vindheimer | Well, I'll edit the page myself then. |
| 20:49.18 | Bagginsww | I might have some danish heritage, but I'm not from denmark, so sorry ;) |
| 20:49.41 | pcj | This IRC is mainly for the English wowwiki |
| 20:50.15 | Vindheimer | Hmm, they have their own IRC chanel? |
| 20:50.55 | Bagginsww | I'm not sure who the Danish admins are. |
| 20:51.01 | Zeal | well apparently that page has been deleted now anyway. |
| 20:51.23 | Vindheimer | Well, I did it |
| 20:51.35 | Zeal | and you're not an admin? :S |
| 20:51.44 | pcj | Isn't Laurly working on that |
| 20:51.44 | pcj | or Dotted maybe |
| 20:51.47 | Vindheimer | However, it isn't against their guide lines so I changed it back now |
| 20:51.50 | Vindheimer | No, I am not. |
| 20:52.21 | Vindheimer | Well, at least not for the Danish Wowwiki. |
| 20:52.47 | Zeal | seems odd that a non admin, or even someone who doesn't know if they have an IRC has delete rights :p |
| 20:52.58 | Zeal | *IRC chan |
| 20:53.02 | Vindheimer | Not delete rights |
| 20:53.14 | Vindheimer | I simply removed some of the text |
| 20:53.26 | Zeal | yeah, it showed up as deleted when i checked |
| 20:53.28 | Zeal | not empty. |
| 20:54.08 | Zeal | actually, it never existed. did you provide the correct link? :S |
| 20:54.14 | Vindheimer | http://da.wow.wikia.com/wiki/WoW_scams%2C_hvordan_du_kan_undgå_at_blive_scammet |
| 20:54.45 | Zeal | Oops! WoWWiki Danmark does not have a page with this exact name. :S |
| 20:55.01 | Vindheimer | Yes, it does |
| 20:55.40 | Zeal | lol, well it's not working for me is all i can say. |
| 20:55.48 | Vindheimer | Want a picture? |
| 20:55.50 | Bagginsww | So ya I don't know my exact mix, but it includes german, danish, welsh, english, irish, scottish, cherokee, choctaw, swiss, from what I can remember, and who knows what else... |
| 20:56.34 | Zeal | not calling you a liar, jsut saying it's telling me it doesn't exist for w/e reason. |
| 20:57.01 | Zeal | mines pretty straight afaik, british and welsh. |
| 20:58.12 | sacarasc | lol, welsh |
| 20:58.16 | Vindheimer | Well, I thought you did :P |
| 20:58.28 | pcj | isn't welsh british? |
| 20:58.33 | Vindheimer | Didn't* |
| 20:58.43 | Vindheimer | I didn't... ah, never mind |
| 20:59.04 | Bagginsww | by english I meant british, could be a mix of alot of United Kingdom nations. |
| 20:59.11 | Vindheimer | Baggins, what are you talking about? |
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| 20:59.18 | Bagginsww | ancestry |
| 20:59.45 | Vindheimer | Oh, ok. |
| 20:59.59 | Zeal | technically yes pcj. but considering it rots lay in a term excluding the welsh, i don't like to think so :P |
| 21:00.07 | Zeal | *it's roots |
| 21:00.44 | pcj | well did you mean english or scottish then |
| 21:01.27 | Zeal | well even more so, british excludes scottish. |
| 21:01.32 | Bagginsww | well I'm not sure what the right term I should use, when I said english, :p |
| 21:01.35 | Zeal | but i meant english, yes. |
| 21:01.47 | Vindheimer | British excludes Scottish? |
| 21:01.48 | Bagginsww | not intending to offend anyone :p |
| 21:01.56 | pcj | so what difference is there between "British" and "English" |
| 21:02.00 | Zeal | original term Vindheimer, yes. |
| 21:02.01 | pcj | oh...you're northern irish? |
| 21:02.07 | Zeal | lol |
| 21:02.17 | sacarasc | northern ireland isn;t british at all |
| 21:02.26 | Vindheimer | Well... |
| 21:02.27 | Bagginsww | and that's sad splitting up irish based on north and south, and its all over religion isn't it? |
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| 21:02.45 | Bagginsww | well governments too |
| 21:03.04 | Vindheimer | Well, the majority of Northern Ireland wants to stay with Britain |
| 21:03.16 | Vindheimer | in* |
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| 21:03.34 | Zeal | british = english, thne british = english + welsh, then british = english, welsh, scottish and northern irish. |
| 21:03.55 | sacarasc | Zeal: no |
| 21:03.58 | Vindheimer | So an immigrant can't be a brit? |
| 21:04.02 | sacarasc | british has never meant northern irish |
| 21:04.17 | Zeal | it has since great britian was formered |
| 21:04.20 | sacarasc | that's why the uk is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland |
| 21:04.25 | Bagginsww | depends on if you are talking about ancestry vs, place you live |
| 21:04.27 | Zeal | i and most people would never use it as such though. |
| 21:04.30 | Vindheimer | If I move to China do I become Chinese? |
| 21:04.42 | pcj | i thought british were originally Norman |
| 21:05.01 | Vindheimer | and Angles and Saxons? |
| 21:05.21 | pcj | Nah, not since Hastings |
| 21:05.26 | Vindheimer | Did you know that England means "Land of Dæmon Worshipers"? |
| 21:05.52 | Zeal | literal perhaps |
| 21:05.59 | Bagginsww | Daemon as in "spirit" or as in demon |
| 21:06.00 | Zeal | probably really refers to paganism |
| 21:06.08 | pcj | :o zeal is a demon worshipper :o |
| 21:06.19 | Zeal | sure, real satanism pwns. |
| 21:06.26 | Bagginsww | daemon originally was more of a spirit than a devil |
| 21:06.37 | Bagginsww | in its original translation |
| 21:06.45 | Vindheimer | Well, that could be true. |
| 21:06.53 | Bagginsww | basically a spirit neither good nor evil |
| 21:07.08 | Bagginsww | kinda like djinn |
| 21:07.43 | Vindheimer | Fascinating... |
| 21:07.54 | Vindheimer | Bagginsww, are you British? |
| 21:08.12 | Bagginsww | http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861602413/daemon.html |
| 21:08.15 | Bagginsww | American |
| 21:08.47 | Vindheimer | Oh, what do you think about the election? |
| 21:08.49 | Zeal | up to the 1950's, new zealanders still refered to themselves as british. |
| 21:08.58 | Zeal | lol |
| 21:09.06 | Bagginsww | My opinion? I'm not sure what I think... |
| 21:09.27 | Bagginsww | and england calld them the "colonies"? |
| 21:09.28 | pcj | well, what do I think? |
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| 21:09.37 | Vindheimer | Well, I hope you won't get another cow boy president ;) |
| 21:09.45 | Bagginsww | yee haw |
| 21:10.07 | Vindheimer | or "war president" :P |
| 21:10.12 | Bagginsww | well I hope we get a president that seems to have more than half a brain |
| 21:10.25 | pcj | Which half? |
| 21:10.34 | Bagginsww | to be fair I think the war would have happened no matter which president was in office |
| 21:10.41 | Bagginsww | although how it was dealt with would have differed |
| 21:10.54 | Vindheimer | You think of it as a war? |
| 21:11.08 | Bagginsww | whatever you want to call it police actions, war whatever |
| 21:11.45 | Bagginsww | what's in a name? |
| 21:11.48 | Vindheimer | Police actions... hmm, no. I would call it imperialism. |
| 21:11.57 | Vindheimer | Though with good intentions |
| 21:12.03 | sacarasc | Vote Huckabee/Colbert 2008! |
| 21:12.09 | Sandwichman2448 | I saw that. |
| 21:12.53 | Bagginsww | imperialism, by its true definition would involve all who are involved taking pieces of the land won through battle, and making them colonies |
| 21:13.09 | Bagginsww | sure all war generally has some inmperialistic tendencies however |
| 21:13.09 | Sandwichman2448 | Is oil 'land'? |
| 21:13.26 | Bagginsww | resources are always involved with war |
| 21:13.41 | Bagginsww | even world war 2 was battles over resources |
| 21:13.51 | Vindheimer | The problem is that it's very difficult to impose your own system, to make people change their culture and society just over night. True power isn't being able to send 5 000 000 troops to an area, but also being able to show moral leadership |
| 21:14.00 | johnnyd2 | whats up? |
| 21:14.02 | Zeal | should i be surpised the build up of bush and his admistration being impeached died off silently? |
| 21:14.07 | Bagginsww | sure I agree, its impossible to change cultures |
| 21:14.14 | Vindheimer | That's where USA under Bush have failed |
| 21:14.28 | Bagginsww | especially ones set up as clanship system where clans basiclaly hate each other's guts |
| 21:14.40 | Bagginsww | so you could never put any one person into a leadership role |
| 21:15.03 | Sandwichman2448 | I am quite partial to the gall blader. |
| 21:15.07 | Sandwichman2448 | dd |
| 21:15.14 | Vindheimer | I beg to differ. I think it is possible to change cultures, but not through brute force |
| 21:15.18 | Bagginsww | there are literally only a few ways to go about changing a culture and most of them take decades |
| 21:15.32 | Vindheimer | Indeed |
| 21:15.47 | Vindheimer | Instead, you've just "aggroed" them even more! |
| 21:16.16 | Sandwichman2448 | Rwlrwlrwlrwlrwl |
| 21:16.21 | Sandwichman2448 | gak |
| 21:16.25 | Sandwichman2448 | blrk |
| 21:16.36 | Bagginsww | one way is to indoctrinate children at an early age. But that usually involves taking them from their parents, so they don't get influenced. This was an act practiced by several historical nations. |
| 21:17.03 | Vindheimer | But, that is not a good way of showing moral leadership |
| 21:17.26 | Bagginsww | well ya often the children would go back somehow learn about their heritage, and then resent the leaders |
| 21:17.34 | Bagginsww | and then try to take revenge |
| 21:17.46 | Vindheimer | It would be like saying "do as we say, not as we do!" |
| 21:18.02 | Bagginsww | well its more like the children grow up in a family that's not their own |
| 21:18.10 | Bagginsww | usually as young children |
| 21:18.17 | Bagginsww | babies to young children |
| 21:18.22 | Bagginsww | the plan is so they don't remember |
| 21:18.32 | Vindheimer | Poor them :( |
| 21:18.46 | Bagginsww | sure, it means they lose the cultural idenity |
| 21:19.12 | Vindheimer | Anyway, who should bring them up? |
| 21:19.27 | Bagginsww | bring up? |
| 21:20.26 | Vindheimer | Hmm, what I meant to say: Where could you find 10 000 000 new families without legalising gay adoption? |
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| 21:20.48 | Bagginsww | remember, nations weren't that big when the practice occured |
| 21:21.03 | Bagginsww | and they generally slaughtered most of the original population |
| 21:21.30 | Vindheimer | Oh, I thought you were talking about doing it today. Silly me. |
| 21:21.42 | Bagginsww | nah I'm talking about general ways that people have "changed nations" |
| 21:21.49 | Bagginsww | erm culture I mean |
| 21:21.55 | Bagginsww | historical and otherwise |
| 21:22.11 | Bagginsww | Nah i'm an anthropologist in training, and history fan |
| 21:22.40 | Bagginsww | also tend to not look at things from black and white, but overall impact, ;) |
| 21:22.48 | Bagginsww | there is alot of grey |
| 21:23.10 | Vindheimer | Really? I wish more Americans did that. |
| 21:23.10 | Sandwichman2448 | Like the background. |
| 21:23.27 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 21:24.07 | Bagginsww | I'm sure alot of Americans do. Except there are alot that are extreme leftest, and extreme right, or extreme democrat, or extreme republican, or any other handful of terms people label themselves |
| 21:24.41 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 21:24.59 | Vindheimer | Well, you seem to be able to get many "extreme" persons into your goverment :P |
| 21:25.29 | Vindheimer | government* |
| 21:25.39 | foxlit | score, [Hex Shrunken Head] |
| 21:25.43 | Bagginsww | I think that can be said for any government, just not all nations are big enough or have enough national attention, or influence to be news worthy. |
| 21:26.10 | Vindheimer | Yeah, we have some of those as well. |
| 21:26.20 | Bagginsww | mind you in one way its a strenght of america, the right for people to have opinions, and not be forced into one mold |
| 21:26.28 | Bagginsww | the freedom of beliefs |
| 21:27.11 | Bagginsww | whereas some countries have a strictor system of what can be believed, and that could be seen as form of indoctrination |
| 21:27.23 | Bagginsww | both ways have negatives, and positive merits |
| 21:27.39 | Vindheimer | Doesn't the USA have some sort of indoctrination? |
| 21:27.54 | Bagginsww | any nation does. media is very powerful tool |
| 21:28.09 | Bagginsww | so yes any nation that has media is going to have some form of propaganda |
| 21:28.11 | Vindheimer | Indeed. The education system too. |
| 21:28.42 | Bagginsww | ya, although at the elementary level I'd agree its flawed. At college and university level it teaches people to think for themselves. |
| 21:28.56 | Bagginsww | the problem? how many actually go to college... |
| 21:29.32 | Vindheimer | I guess poorer people can't afford it. |
| 21:29.44 | Bagginsww | many could aford it, but choose not to go |
| 21:29.56 | Bagginsww | there are options for loans, and what not too |
| 21:29.57 | ralfWORK | you can get student loans to put your tail through college |
| 21:30.13 | ralfWORK | pretty much even if you have the worst credit ever |
| 21:30.14 | Bagginsww | I'm forced to take loans, have a bit from grants too |
| 21:30.24 | Vindheimer | I think college education should be free. |
| 21:30.25 | ralfWORK | you can still go to college |
| 21:30.34 | ralfWORK | why should it be free? |
| 21:30.40 | Vindheimer | Why should it not? |
| 21:30.44 | Bagginsww | well free enducation has strengths and benifits |
| 21:30.50 | Bagginsww | and negatives too |
| 21:30.59 | ralfWORK | someone must pay for it. You mean "free to the student" obviously |
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| 21:31.08 | Bagginsww | for one depending on a government's priorities |
| 21:31.17 | Bagginsww | they may not finance education as much |
| 21:31.25 | Bagginsww | so then free education might be poor |
| 21:31.36 | Bagginsww | not well trained teachers |
| 21:31.40 | ralfWORK | when has government education been a good thing? :P |
| 21:31.51 | Bagginsww | I can't think of any |
| 21:32.01 | Bagginsww | and generaly that leads back to the "indoctrination" issue |
| 21:32.04 | ralfWORK | that's more of an issue, IMO |
| 21:32.56 | Bagginsww | Vindheimer, as I said before I look at things objectivly. Its very hard for me to choose a side 100%. |
| 21:32.59 | Gourra | university students gets actually paid here in sweden to study |
| 21:33.16 | ralfWORK | Masters students often are paid in the states too |
| 21:33.19 | Vindheimer | Hmm, in Scandinavia you only pay for your books when you go to college, and I do not think there is an indoctrination issue there |
| 21:33.23 | ralfWORK | by the school |
| 21:33.25 | Bagginsww | I try to find whichever is the best of two uh "evils" if you want to put it that way LOL |
| 21:33.28 | ralfWORK | not by government |
| 21:33.39 | Gourra | yeah, and that's great Vindheimer |
| 21:33.54 | Bagginsww | indoctrination can occur at the teacher's level too |
| 21:34.02 | Vindheimer | Though you had the Norwegian Language Strugle... that's an indoctrination issue |
| 21:34.07 | Bagginsww | if you have a teacher that has his own agendas |
| 21:34.18 | ralfWORK | teachers often doo |
| 21:34.20 | Gourra | what struggle? |
| 21:34.21 | ralfWORK | *do |
| 21:34.22 | Vindheimer | Well, such teachers can be in private schools as well |
| 21:34.31 | ralfWORK | especially the higher you get in your education |
| 21:34.44 | Bagginsww | it can be said low end too |
| 21:34.51 | Bagginsww | easier to indoctrinate children |
| 21:34.54 | Bagginsww | than adults |
| 21:35.14 | ralfWORK | eh. I suppose there's something to that arguement |
| 21:35.16 | Vindheimer | Do you think singing songs with a vague religious content is indoctrination? |
| 21:35.31 | ralfWORK | do you think singing the national anthem is? |
| 21:35.43 | ralfWORK | it's all indoctrination |
| 21:35.44 | Bagginsww | sure it is at some level. |
| 21:35.47 | Vindheimer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_language_struggle |
| 21:35.53 | ralfWORK | life is doctrination |
| 21:36.07 | ralfWORK | boy I sure am typing like a retard while talking about education :P |
| 21:36.12 | Zeal | yikes |
| 21:36.15 | Bagginsww | education is by definition a form of indoctrinization :) |
| 21:36.19 | ralfWORK | *indoctrination |
| 21:36.23 | ralfWORK | amen, Bagginsww |
| 21:36.28 | Bagginsww | the term indocriniatzion isn't negative term. |
| 21:36.33 | Zeal | well i'm too tired to work on the book template tonight, will jump straight into it tomorrow. nn all |
| 21:36.34 | Bagginsww | although people have made it that way |
| 21:36.42 | Bagginsww | its amoral term. niether good nor bad |
| 21:36.46 | ralfWORK | exactly |
| 21:37.05 | Taurmindo | !char |
| 21:37.05 | Bagginsww | propaganda is the same way. it can be good or used for evil. |
| 21:37.29 | Bagginsww | btw I doubt I could be a good anthropologist if I wasn't objective, ;) |
| 21:37.41 | ralfWORK | cognitive relativism ftw |
| 21:38.07 | Vindheimer | Anyway, what are you going to do for a living after you've finished your studies, Baggins? |
| 21:38.44 | Bagginsww | Hopefully do some research in south america somewhere, really wants to study amazon basin area. |
| 21:39.01 | johnnyd2 | made another wiki page |
| 21:39.06 | Vindheimer | Sounds exciting. |
| 21:39.15 | Vindheimer | A bit like Indiana Jones, eh? |
| 21:39.18 | Bagginsww | and also do museum work |
| 21:39.33 | Sandwichman2449 | Don't pee in the rivers! |
| 21:39.40 | Bagginsww | don't drinkt he rivers, ;) |
| 21:39.42 | Sandwichman2449 | really. |
| 21:39.47 | johnnyd2 | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Johnnyd2/Mannoroc_Abomination |
| 21:39.58 | Vindheimer | Indiana Jones would never pee in the river! |
| 21:40.17 | Bagginsww | why would you want to pee in the river when a good tree can be found everywhere? |
| 21:40.36 | Bagginsww | trees make for better privacy |
| 21:40.49 | pcj | I peed in your mom's river *nudge nudge, wink wink* |
| 21:40.51 | Sandwichman2449 | Little worms. |
| 21:41.01 | Bagginsww | some places its fish |
| 21:41.02 | Vindheimer | Because you want to catch one of those fishes? |
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| 21:41.12 | Sandwichman2449 | Pcj... made a... a... joke??? |
| 21:41.19 | Vindheimer | Yeah, I've read a story about that |
| 21:41.31 | Bagginsww | that was in malaysia or somewhere in asia I think |
| 21:41.38 | Bagginsww | not sure where specifically |
| 21:41.43 | Bagginsww | I'd have to look it up |
| 21:42.04 | Vindheimer | Is it true that those fishes can destroy your kidnies? |
| 21:42.31 | Sandwichman2449 | More than that. |
| 21:42.37 | Bagginsww | I don't know about kidness but the problem is they have spines to imbed themselves inother fishe's gills |
| 21:42.43 | Bagginsww | *Kidneys |
| 21:42.58 | Bagginsww | and those spines make them near impossible to remove |
| 21:43.29 | Bagginsww | and they just get bigger and bigger as they feed off blood. |
| 21:43.45 | Bagginsww | btw the only reason they go for penises is urine has urea in it |
| 21:44.03 | Bagginsww | a chemical that is given off int he processes in fish respiration. |
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| 21:44.23 | Bagginsww | http://www.infectiousvideos.com/index.php?p=showvid&sid=0398&o=60&idx=17&sb=daily&a=playvid |
| 21:44.33 | Bagginsww | found the video |
| 21:44.54 | Vindheimer | So your penis will... ...? |
| 21:44.57 | Bagginsww | ya theya re in the Amazon river LOL |
| 21:45.11 | Bagginsww | go gangegrene? have to be amputated? |
| 21:45.39 | Bagginsww | sure if the person doesn't go to the hospital early enough :p |
| 21:46.08 | Bagginsww | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candir%C3%BA there yo go |
| 21:46.54 | Bagginsww | and ya you have to actually be wading and peeing to get the fish |
| 21:47.03 | Bagginsww | just peeing into a river won't be a problem |
| 21:48.09 | Vindheimer | eaten alive |
| 21:49.54 | Bagginsww | but ya lovely fishes |
| 21:50.08 | Bagginsww | but anyone who pees in a pool diserves one of these, ;) |
| 21:50.27 | Bagginsww | You know who you are, ;) |
| 21:50.50 | Vindheimer | Indoor pool? Or all kinds of pools? |
| 21:50.53 | pcj | No I don't |
| 21:51.00 | Bagginsww | any kind of pool, LOL |
| 21:51.08 | Bagginsww | its just not right |
| 21:51.28 | Bagginsww | spreads disease too, :p |
| 21:51.32 | Vindheimer | Well, urine is sterile |
| 21:51.37 | Bagginsww | note quite |
| 21:51.39 | Vindheimer | if you're healthy |
| 21:51.39 | Bagginsww | *not |
| 21:51.46 | Bagginsww | sure if your healthy |
| 21:51.57 | Bagginsww | but what's Healthy? exactly? |
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| 21:52.10 | Bagginsww | everyone has germs of some sort |
| 21:52.13 | Krolmor | Gyaar. |
| 21:52.29 | Krolmor | G'night. |
| 21:52.49 | Vindheimer | Well, in this case it's not being able to spread disease through one's urine |
| 21:52.58 | Bagginsww | and if you feel like braving your life and going outside your country, well, there is a chance of exposing yourself to lots of diseases, that will kill you but not necessarily native citizens |
| 21:53.20 | Bagginsww | well the problem is not exactly the urine but other things in urine. |
| 21:53.47 | Vindheimer | Well, other things as well then ;) |
| 21:54.02 | Vindheimer | Old bacteria and viruses can be dangerous, yeah. |
| 21:54.04 | Bagginsww | poop in the pool how loevely |
| 21:54.19 | Vindheimer | I remember when that happened at school |
| 21:54.40 | Bagginsww | the worst effect of urine though is it effects the ph of the pool |
| 21:54.48 | pcj | I think the worst way to die would be to be forced to drink someone else's urine twice |
| 21:54.58 | Vindheimer | Like the English? |
| 21:55.39 | Bagginsww | if enough people somehow weaken the clorine, then other bacteria and algae can grow. Algae isn't a disease issue but its a problem. |
| 21:56.05 | Bagginsww | well drinking urine they say is cleansing :p, but I wouldnt' want to do it |
| 21:56.14 | Vindheimer | Well, that wouldn't be a problem in God's free nature |
| 21:57.51 | Vindheimer | Do you ever feel like doing this? http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3De1UMyllgAN8 |
| 21:58.07 | pcj | why does it say verify age |
| 21:58.14 | Bagginsww | apparently ammonia reacts with chlorine an dcan cause toxic fumes too LOL |
| 21:58.37 | SandwichmanAFK | Yeah. |
| 21:58.48 | Bagginsww | because it has some kind of adult content? highly violent or whatever? |
| 21:59.23 | Vindheimer | Because some old American hag is afraid of seing an animated naked man |
| 21:59.38 | Vindheimer | Don't worry, he's small |
| 21:59.41 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 22:00.46 | Vindheimer | Guess what this is: http://www.skaare.net/images/2007%2004%2017%20Oslo%20Vigelandsparken%20Monolitten.jpg |
| 22:01.25 | Bagginsww | I don't want to know... the obelisk to hedonism... |
| 22:01.33 | Bagginsww | and it looks like its all men |
| 22:01.49 | Vindheimer | No you silly! |
| 22:02.03 | Vindheimer | Take a closer look: http://www.barneombudet.no/data/b/0/25/41/0_2701_0.jpg |
| 22:02.21 | Bagginsww | oh a baby how nice |
| 22:02.38 | Vindheimer | It's not erotic. It's how we are |
| 22:02.45 | Vindheimer | How you are. |
| 22:02.57 | Bagginsww | care to show a close up of the statue in the center |
| 22:03.09 | Bagginsww | cause it looks like an orgy is going on, from afar :p |
| 22:03.20 | Bagginsww | or a war |
| 22:03.24 | Vindheimer | http://files.reseguiden.se/files/81/rg_723081_m600.jpg |
| 22:03.31 | Bagginsww | reminds me of the statue of souls in Eternal Darkness |
| 22:03.36 | Bagginsww | *tower of souls |
| 22:03.41 | Bagginsww | or whatever it was clled |
| 22:03.51 | Vindheimer | It's called The Monolit |
| 22:03.57 | Bagginsww | its creepy |
| 22:04.09 | Vindheimer | Monolith* |
| 22:04.24 | Bagginsww | next castlevania game should have a legion shaped like a cylinder... enough with the spheres....!!!! |
| 22:04.33 | Vindheimer | Here's another picture: http://www2.skolenettet.no/kunstweb/skulptur/bilder/div_bilder/vigeland_mannbarn.jpg |
| 22:04.40 | Vindheimer | Do you think it is creepy? |
| 22:04.56 | Bagginsww | the monolith sure. |
| 22:05.07 | Bagginsww | like I said it reminds me of the tower of souls |
| 22:05.21 | Bagginsww | or legion :) |
| 22:05.43 | Bagginsww | that other statue looks animated, what's he doing going to toss the girl into the water for a swim? |
| 22:05.57 | Bagginsww | the girl looks liek she's about ot jump off his leg backwards |
| 22:09.06 | Bagginsww | http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/cv-cod/enemies/legion.png that's the average castlevania legion |
| 22:11.54 | Bagginsww | ahh it was the Pillar of Flesh in Eternal Darkness let me find apicture |
| 22:14.45 | Bagginsww | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-F5nUuZSbQ |
| 22:15.07 | Bagginsww | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtIOphn53k4&feature=related |
| 22:17.40 | Bagginsww | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE-q48pmap8&feature=related heh heh |
| 22:18.06 | Bagginsww | that game is awesome |
| 22:22.32 | Bagginsww | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE-q48pmap8&feature=related |
| 22:22.39 | Bagginsww | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H07M3xlax2c&feature=related |
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| 23:10.31 | Cairenn | since it hasn't hit any of the blue trackers anywhere yet, just getting the word out there to try to help protect the community - ingamers' UICentral is trojan infected again: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3881821845&sid=1 |
| 23:11.19 | pcj | ty cairenn |
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| 23:21.29 | Sky2042_afk | Kirkburn, you idiot. |
| 23:24.01 | Kalroth | awww |
| 23:24.07 | Kalroth | poor Kirky |
| 23:25.08 | pcj | lol |
| 23:28.50 | Sky2042_afk | not an edit for entire freaking year. |
| 23:28.54 | Sky2042_afk | and now it blows up |
| 23:28.56 | Sky2042_afk | wtf? |
| 23:29.36 | pcj | hmm? |
| 23:30.10 | Sky2042_afk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Elune_US |
| 23:34.56 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Warcraft_movie#Pre_creation_criticism |
| 23:34.56 | Bagginsww | gg |
| 23:35.04 | Bagginsww | I despite zarnks :p |
| 23:35.18 | Bagginsww | *despise |
| 23:36.28 | pcj | golly why |
| 23:37.12 | Bagginsww | Because uh people who claim other people are alliance biased are generally horde biased, and don't see the fact that they are blindly calling the kettle black. |
| 23:37.37 | Bagginsww | that is the basically are attacking other people, for doing the same thing they do. |
| 23:37.59 | Bagginsww | but its ok for them to do it because, well they Horde is vastly superior to the Alliance. |
| 23:38.25 | Bagginsww | to be fair I despise people who the same thing for the Alliance too, LOL |
| 23:38.55 | Bagginsww | All I really care about is the story, not the rah hah whose side are you on? :p |
| 23:41.14 | foxlit | http://pttbt.ca/2008/01/11/banners-confirm-apple-testing-airborne-rdf-ibombs.html |
| 23:41.33 | Bagginsww | ibombs, LOL |
| 23:42.32 | foxlit | "An Apple spokesman declined comment on this story, saying the company “does not comment on unreleased psychokinetic weapons” with an odd, vacant smile on his face." |
| 23:42.39 | Gourra | hehe |
| 23:47.47 | foxlit | Dammit, that guy is good |
| 23:52.01 | pcj | lol autoblocked :S |
| 23:52.28 | pcj | Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Tehbuttcheeksfairy". The reason given for Tehbuttcheeksfairy's block is: "WoWWiki:Violations" |
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| 23:53.22 | pcj | wowwiki sucks at IP detection |
| 23:53.23 | pcj | Your IP address is 10.8.2.144, and your block has been set to expire: $6. Other details may appear on WoWWiki:Violations. |
| 23:54.45 | pcj | lol fixed |
| 23:55.12 | pcj | ...nvm |
| 23:57.12 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:Sunwell_Isle |
