IRC log for #wowwiki on 20071130

00:00.28pcjwowhead i think
00:00.50pcjtalking about IGE/Affinity being related afaik
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00:00.59pcjwb dutempete :)
00:01.08DuTempetety pcj :)
00:04.08pcjbbiab
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00:34.31DuTempetewb pcj!
00:37.56[NewsBot]WoW Insider: A formal pronouncement of (ingame) marriage - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/29/a-formal-pronouncement-of-ingame-marriage/
00:39.49KirkburnLukian, you don't want to get me jealous :P
00:40.09Lukianjealous guys treat girls better :)
00:40.20KirkburnYou wouldn't like me when I'm jealous :O
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00:40.24Kirkburnhah
00:40.31Lukianthat is true :(
00:42.39Zealso kirkburn, what was that about documents and twisting things?
00:43.47KirkburnRather not bring up on the topic on here, but it came up on a talk page I edited a few hours ago
00:44.13Zealhmm
00:44.53Zeallol
00:45.05Zealdidn't evne need to go that far :P
00:46.34ZealKirkburn irrc Yantis was from a rival company who they bought out early on. jsut to clarify.
00:46.56Zeallong before wow ofc
00:47.04KirkburnStill, rather we didn't bring up the topic
00:47.10Zealaww, kk
00:47.30KirkburnIt's only going to be going over old ground :P
00:53.21Zeali do only have one question, but i won't bother asking it here.
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01:20.52Kirkburn:D
01:21.31Zealcrap song ;)
01:21.37Zealwtb new password plx : /
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01:24.06Zealwell that guy's idiot imo.
01:24.36Zeal*an idiot
01:24.46Zealand i'm off for food, bbl
01:25.34KirkburnWho, eh, what?
01:26.32zealthe person you reverted
01:27.14Kirkburnoh
01:30.49kd3good grief. 100k of text
01:37.47zealLatest update on the comic. They're now saying the Januray 2008 issue is issue #1 and dated as such, even though the subscription is listed as starting from november and issue #1 was released in novemer..
01:39.26zealso it going from that, everyone is getting issue #1 as expected, the staff have been giving out misleading information and aren't all clued up, and it's only the fact they suck and can't deliver on time and thus long delays that is an issue..
01:39.44zealgone again..
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01:57.56[NewsBot]WoW Insider: A rewarding Tranquilien grind - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/29/a-rewarding-tranquilien-grind/
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02:52.19KirkburnAdys, note that Triump added the info again, but I have removed it and responded again on the talk page (and no, no suspending the guy without excellent reason)
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03:05.48zealhm.. could have sworn i tried that password already..
03:06.04zealoh well, no email but got back into my account
03:07.14Kirkburnyay!
03:07.25KirkburnOne thing less for the techs to deal with
03:08.16pcjwhat's that
03:08.50KirkburnZeal being unable to get into his account
03:09.41pcjah...
03:09.59KasoThis whole IGE/wowhead/thott/alla thing interests me greatly as a fairly neutral observer
03:10.03Kirkburn|sleepI'm off to bed, g'night :)
03:10.22KasoBoth sides are really quite set in there semi-cloak and dagger ways
03:10.40pcjMeh, it doesn't really affect me
03:10.47pcjI'm still gonna use Wowhead
03:10.58pcjAs long as I don't see any gold-selling ads everything is fine
03:11.24Kasoi dont really want to discuss whether or not IGE owns wowhead etc, i find the various disinfomations being passed around related to it amusing.
03:12.10Adyswhat i find amusing is every single website relating misinformation about it is owned or related either to curse or incgamers
03:12.32Adysbut i guess thats more normal than amusing now is it :P
03:14.44zeallol
03:15.09Kasoi also find it somewhat interesting how wowhead seems to be the core target even though thottbot is a much bigger site.
03:15.36Adysthats because the community is different
03:15.49zealstill need to figure out why i'm not getting email (the only thing that's changed since i verified is ww).
03:15.49DuTempeteReally, this is all old BS, and I don't feel like having to read it in order to find more valid and interesting conversation.
03:16.12Adysthottbot's community doesnt give a shit about goldselling for x or y reason
03:16.13Kirkburn|sleepzeal, hmm, odd
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03:16.30Adyseven if thott and the mods do, the community doesnt care either way
03:16.33DuTempeteall 3 of them, Adys?
03:16.48Adysits the thottbot haters who will say like "ONO HAX AND GOLDSELLING ON THOTTBOT HELP"
03:17.08Kirkburn|sleepThe email thing really should be okay now, I can look into it again tomorrow if it's still a problem
03:17.08zealrun to bed Kirkburn|sleep :p
03:17.14zealkk, ty.
03:17.23Kirkburn|sleepOnly if you lot promise to switch topic!
03:17.32AdysWay too amusing for that
03:17.47AdysIm trying to rewrite an AWFULLY written j
03:17.47Adysjs
03:17.56AdysSo Im kinda bored
03:18.06Kirkburn|sleepYou're trying to write bad js? Nice ....
03:18.18Adysrewrite bad js*
03:18.33DuTempeteSo you're going to take your boredom out on my brain?  No thanks. :P
03:18.45AdysWhy not. :P
03:19.01Adysi bet you use wowdigger, DuTempete
03:19.33DuTempetedon't care :P
03:19.39Adyshahahaha
03:19.39Adyshttp://www.wowblues.com/us/-3168328825.html
03:20.06zealtheres only really 2 unknown variables that concern me anymore, the truth of what part and when RPG Holdings had to play, and how many RMT's Affinity Media still owns. Irregardless of those, i still don't like them, nothing to do with who owns who crap.
03:20.25AdysAM doesnt own any illegal business
03:20.34Adysthats all
03:20.50Adysthey own a LEGAL rmt enterprise, in korea
03:21.18Adyslegal = supported by the game's dev enterprise
03:21.34Kirkburn|sleepoi!
03:21.35zeali didn't question the legality of it, jsut wondering how many they still own.
03:21.53Adysone, in korea
03:21.58Kirkburn|sleepWhat have I said three times now?
03:22.14zealthis isn't the same old stuff though Kirkburn|sleep ;)
03:22.51Kirkburn|sleepI don't really care atm, I just wish people could move on.
03:23.23KasoRepeat after me kids! "The less suffix already negates the word, you dont need to add the "ir" prefix to do the same"
03:23.23Kirkburn|sleepAs fun as finding out sekrets is, we won't get the "truth" that'll satisfy everyone, and it just pisses people off
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03:23.45AdysIm the first one to wish people could move on, but you cant just tell people to shut up and try ignore the subject
03:24.00Adyspeople are dumb, and if they dont understand something they wont move on
03:24.15AdysSo first I tell people what they should know, and then I tell them to shut up and go to hell
03:24.42AdysI've been doing that for years, it works great. :P
03:24.52zealnot trying to be satisfied Kirkburn|sleep, as i said irregardless of everything, i don't like them, that won't change even if it turns out sun shines out of their arses ;)
03:25.04AdysIm tempted to flame wowblues
03:25.17KasoNow you're just doing that deliberately arent you zeal!
03:25.25zealhm?
03:25.36DuTempete"irregardless" is not a word, zeal
03:25.37zeali honestly had no idea what you said Kaso
03:25.43DuTempeteThe term you're looking for is "regardless"
03:25.45zealoh? lol
03:25.58Kaso<Kaso> Repeat after me kids! "The less suffix already negates the word, you dont need to add the "ir" prefix to do the same"
03:26.17KasoA pet peeve of mine
03:26.34DuTempeteGo Go Morphology!
03:26.34AdysKaso: irregardless
03:26.36zealhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregardless <-- i learn from what i've read/seen/heard
03:26.42KasoAdys: OUTLAND
03:26.47DuTempeteS
03:26.48zeallive with it.
03:26.53DuTempetejebus, Kaso... do it right...
03:26.56AdysWhy didn't you put an S
03:27.01AdysI was waiting for outlands
03:27.04Kasooh crap
03:27.04Adysnot outland
03:27.04zeallol
03:27.06Kasohaha woops
03:27.09Adyswow man you suck
03:27.11DuTempetecritical phail!
03:27.12pcjnorthrends
03:27.16Kasoi screwed that one up :<
03:27.21Adysbadly
03:27.28KasoAll these times of adys correcting me have finally sunk in
03:27.36Adyswee
03:28.38Hobinheimwhat are the top interface sites nowadays
03:28.41Hobinheimcurse, wow interface?
03:29.18zeali struggle not to write notherend
03:30.16Kasohttp://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/bestbuy.com?site0=curse.com&site1=wowinterface.com&site2=wowui.incgamers.com&site3=wowace.com&y=r&z=3&h=300&w=610&range=3m&size=Medium
03:30.28Kasothats for Hobinheim
03:30.33DuTempeteHoly shit.  Hobinheim is ALIVE!!!!
03:30.47KasoSpot the patch dates on that graph :>
03:31.05Hobinheimi don't know if i'll regret this but i've been thinking about taking extended quest log and necrosis under my wing
03:31.13Hobinheimsince it looks to be that neither have been updated
03:31.43Hobinheimmy number one regret in writing addons is the lack of versioning control, but now that i have more professional experience AND a repository, i'm running out of excuses
03:32.10Zealyou said that yesterday too :p
03:32.22Hobinheimwow you have a good memory
03:32.25Hobinheimi don't remember saying that
03:32.29Hobinheimbut i was thinking about it all day long
03:32.37Zeali actually have an awful one.
03:33.04Hobinheimwasn't there another ui site
03:33.10Hobinheimlike wowworld ui or something
03:33.23Adysworldofwar
03:33.26DuTempetewowce
03:33.27Kasoui.worldofwar.net is now incgameing
03:33.30DuTempetewowace*
03:33.36Kasoincgamers
03:33.37Hobinheimoh that's the same site now
03:33.39Adysand incgamers suck
03:34.04Adyshttp://www.google.fr/search?q=site%3Awowblues.com+incgamers&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
03:34.05pcjWhoa, that's an odd tooltip http://www.wowwiki.com/Lion-stamped_Gloves
03:34.09Adys^first link
03:34.12Adysclick it
03:34.15Adys"poof, nuffing!"
03:34.39pcjWhoa, that's an odd tooltip http://www.wowwiki.com/Lion-stamped_Gloves
03:34.52Hobinheimdo we have a list of interface sites
03:35.16KasoAre you suggesting that wowblues are colluding with incgamers to remove negative posts?
03:35.31Adysyes
03:35.38Adysthey're doing blatant advertising for it lol
03:35.44Adyshttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3168328825&sid=1 is the original post
03:36.08Zealhttp://wow.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=407137 <-- haha
03:36.20Adysneed to register
03:36.21Adysblah
03:36.23Zealoh wait, forgot it's wowwar.crap..
03:36.25Zealyeah..
03:36.29Zealuseless site for doing that
03:36.43Adyswhat's the page say
03:36.59Zeal"We will be restarting the Draenor realm shortly to resolve an issue with the boat between Ratchet and Booty Bay. It appears that the boat has mysteriously polymorphed into a sheep."
03:37.28Kirkburn|sleep:O
03:37.53Kasowhat the crap
03:37.56KasoThats awesome
03:39.03Lukianhaha
03:39.11Kirkburn|sleepBig enough to ride on? :O
03:39.28Kirkburn|sleepRide'm sheepie!
03:39.47Kasomy mind boggles how that could happen to just one realm
03:39.52Kirkburn|sleepheh
03:40.11AdysI got a fair idea lol
03:40.23KasoSmells of deliberate unauthorised accesses to the realm server to me.
03:41.13Zeallol
03:41.18Kasoor at least the deliberate part, maybe not so unauthorised
03:42.53pcj...well at least access, in any case
03:46.39Kirkburn|sleepSomething, certainly
03:47.18Kirkburn|sleepAlthough, maybe they imagined it.
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03:57.44Kirkburn|sleepReally off now
03:58.54DuTempeteWent too far with what?
04:11.57Zealbugger, my sky box just crashed.
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04:14.18Fisker-Adys can't stop me :I
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04:14.39Fisker-not fair
04:17.13Zeallol
04:21.15Kasohttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/lntkaos/gamesviolence.gif
04:24.02Zealgames lower violence?
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04:24.23Jiyambihey all!
04:24.42KasoHi there
04:24.52KasoMy point is that games have little or no effect at least Zeal :>
04:25.14Zealwell the latest "scientific study" shows otherwise
04:25.34Kasohave you actually read that? its a total joke
04:25.56Kasoi guess by the mocking "scientific" you hold a similar view though
04:26.57pcjhi jiyambi :)
04:27.16Jiyambiheya pcj :)
04:27.32JiyambiI will be more active starting next week, after my last final on wednesday :P
04:27.43Zealbut even if there was a correlation, i'd imagine you'd find a it matches a reduction in the quality of education, economics, time spent with family, take up of clubs and sports etc.
04:28.24pcjnice
04:29.21Zealbasically if someone has such a bad upbringing that they would let a game influence their behaviour in that way, you don't try to blame the game plenty of others play without any effect.
04:29.41KasoThat makes very much sense
04:29.59Zealyeah, i pull that off sometimes ;)
04:30.07Jiyambiya, I haven't played WoW all term since school took up every bit of my time... but now that it's vacation I can play again :)
04:30.31pcjyay
04:32.23JiyambiDo you guys think the quest lists need a "prerequisite" column? or is the symbol indicating the quest is part of a chain and linking to the chain enough?
04:32.45Jiyambisee the Teldrassil quests page for an example of the chain thingy
04:32.50Kasoi also hate how censorship is totally centered on children also, like how getting a NC-17 will kill a film in the US, and how games like manhunt are banned because they are unsutable for kids, do people forget there are some adults around who like to be entertained
04:33.09Jiyambiits because the main video game seller is Wal Mart
04:33.25Jiyambiand they refuse to sell anything with that rating, in addition to censoring all music
04:33.47JiyambiNo video game company will make a game that it can't sell at Wal Mart
04:34.22pcjjiyambi some quests have multiple prerequisites and it would probably be better to just use a symbol
04:34.23JiyambiReally it should be the friggin parents who police what their kids see, the parents need to take the responsibility, not the stores
04:34.36Zeali dislike censorship, period
04:34.39Jiyambipcj: thanks for the input, I agree but I wanted to hear what others had to say
04:35.01KasoMm, well this is the thing, there are AO/NC-17 ratings but the are estientally "banned" because for some reason the distrubters are so scared of parents they wont touch em
04:36.05JiyambiZeal: I agree, but I also think that kids should not be exposed to extremely violent stuff until they are mature enough to understand that its just a game, and not be overly affected by it. But I think parents should be responsible for that.
04:37.22KasoI hold very hypocritial views on censorship, mostly im apposed to it, however for situations with religous extremists i also hold the conflicting view that we should be able to shut them up
04:37.33Jiyambilol
04:37.46Zealthey're ratings used as advisories for parents, but because of that stores that want promote themselves as family friendly will ban them, defeating the point of it being left up to parents to choose for their kids and adults to choose what they like.
04:37.55Zeallol Kaso
04:38.20Jiyambi*sigh* well sorry to rush in, take over your conversation, and rush out, but I am off to play a game. Thanks for the brief but inspiring dialogue!
04:38.27Kasohah
04:38.49KasoI often find myself coming to the conclusion that at least my moral outlook, if not morality in general is inherently incohesive
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04:40.15Zealas to exposure to kids, i wouldn't put it to maturity. You're duty as a parent is to ensure such things are put into context so that they they gain that level of maturity and understanding. Don't hide it away and wait until you feel like dealing with it or when "society" thinks it's appropriate to.
04:41.19Zealit's part of life, hold their hand and guide them through it as it comes, otherwise they simply seek the answers elsewhere without you, especially with all the ways that can be done today.
04:41.32Zealand thats where the problems come from..
04:42.55Hobinheimwhy did the text on screen get so dense
04:43.04Zeallol
04:43.19Kasohehe
04:44.48ZealKaso, i'm conscientious in the sense that i take pride in my morals and and general judgement and go to great lengths to adhere to then while expanding them where i can. Something i only recently realized i've picked up from my father.
04:45.08Zealthough i'm sure plenty of people would find some of my morals sickening, lol.
04:45.55pcj*all
04:46.53Zealeventually i'll bother to put you on ignore.
04:51.26Zeali can't wait until i get my xmas present ^_^ though as with most things i'm sure i'll find flaw in it and by locked in disapointment. expectations always too high ;)
04:51.35DuTempetenight night peeps.
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07:09.06Zealnn all
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09:13.36Niatg'morning!
09:14.15sannse'ning
09:14.28foxlit'g!
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09:17.18foxlitgr
09:17.25foxlitI should probalby read the CTCP spec
09:17.45Niatwhat are you planing foxlit?
09:18.09foxlitnothing, want to get ping/version to work on bot
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09:20.33Niatah, ok.
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12:57.36[NewsBot]GamePolitics: Video: New Zealand Police Exec Blames Video Games - http://gamepolitics.com/2007/11/30/video-new-zealand-police-exec-blames-video-games/
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14:09.11[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Caption This: Vote for winners! - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/30/caption-this-vote-for-winners/
14:21.38Niathi, hurax!
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17:07.01KirkburnMorning!
17:07.32Fisker-no u
17:07.38Fisker-moar liek evening
17:08.43Kasonow Kirkburn thats just redicoulous
17:08.54Kirkburnlol
17:08.56Kasoi went to sleep later than you and i was awake hours ago
17:09.22Kasowell, two hours
17:11.00KirkburnI didn't just get up :P
17:11.41KasoYour nick begs to differ
17:12.37pcjkirkburn can you change ambox from using a table to using a DIV tag
17:13.37KirkburnNot really
17:14.27KirkburnI'm pretty sure it came up on Wikipedia, but didn't work out
17:15.44KasoThe moth critter on the main page looks like a peice of christmas holly
17:15.49Kirkburnlol
17:19.36ltcolumbomorning
17:20.39Fisker-i'm melting
17:24.13quiescenstry not to ruin the carpet
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17:25.25kd3heyo tandaa
17:25.33Tandaahey
17:25.59TandaaI changed that page I was adding into - that more like the usual?
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17:26.57TandaaCoulda sworn I had a login on wiki before... but I guess I didn't lol.
17:27.00kd3yup. I already put a response up on your talk page too
17:27.49Tandaaheh.
17:27.49TandaaIt hadn't occured to me - was mostly checking the various tags to make it look somewhat ok.
17:28.23Tandaaokay... mostly looking at Iriel's page to find formatting the cheating easy way ;-)
17:29.42TandaaMy poster's too boring to have much info anyhow.  Just amused me that there even was a list.
17:30.07kd3if it's blizzard related, it's probably on the wiki somewhere
17:30.26TandaaHeh.  They usually even forget me on Blizz's lists.
17:30.39TandaaWasn't in the sticky until recently - someone must've noticed.
17:30.51kd3heh
17:31.23TandaaI just post anything uh, half-trollish on a grey alt.  I don't think I get a tenth the flaming the other greens do.
17:31.46kd3that'd probably explain why.
17:32.03TandaaWell, this toon was supposed to be my troll.  It... failed.  Badly.
17:36.13Fisker-ah
17:36.17Fisker-it seems that i got away it
17:36.18Fisker-with it
17:41.15ltcolumboI've found Tanaris worse then StV lately
17:41.21ltcolumbomaybe it was an off day
17:41.26ltcolumboyesterday
17:42.11ltcolumboI would think calling anything a "toon" would make it fail badly
18:09.20[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Insider Trader: Where have all the clouds gone? - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/30/insider-trader-where-have-all-the-clouds-gone/
18:10.34Kirkburn<ltcolumbo> I've found Tanaris worse then StV lately <-- in what way?
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18:29.28Fisker-RAWR
18:29.30Fisker-owned Gryphen
18:29.34Gryphenono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle.
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19:14.12Zealevening all
19:16.17KirkburnEvening Zeal
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19:27.47Zealthankfully the village pump doesn't lag me anymore..
19:28.02Zealbut it's still scrolling horizontally : /
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19:32.07Zealah, it's the intro.
19:32.41Zealit's a problem with .darktable ;)
19:33.55Zealwidth: 100% + padding: 5px
19:33.56Zealgg
19:35.57Kirkburngg IE
19:36.06Zealno?
19:36.17KirkburnYes?
19:36.29Zealwidth: 100% + 10px. thus it's larger than it's parent.
19:36.41KirkburnC'mon, do you really think that's how it's supposed to be worked out?
19:36.54Zealno, but that's how the css spec says it is
19:36.54KirkburnIt's width:100% minus padding
19:36.59Zealnope
19:37.02KirkburnOh right, cause Fx is going to be the wrong one
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19:37.24Zealwhy not? gets plenty of things wrong.
19:37.40KirkburnLook at it from common sense
19:37.53KirkburnIf you say something is 100% width, how is it ever going to work with padding?
19:38.18KirkburnWhat's the point of it, if you can't make something 100% width, but reduce it an exact number of pixels from the edge?
19:38.23Zealwidth 100% = content 100% the contain (the table) size is then determined by content + padding
19:38.33Zeali hate that box model, but that's what it is
19:38.45Zeal*container
19:39.04KirkburnThe box model thing is an odd topic, since both sides have their benefits
19:39.43Zealwell i prefer ie's quirks one, and thankfull css 3 will allow designers to choose which box model they want, ie's quirk or the w3c spec.
19:39.51Zeal*thankfully
19:40.22kd3if css3 ever gets ratified, that is
19:40.22KirkburnCool
19:40.40Zealanyways i removed the width, so now it's width: auto with is content + padding
19:40.45KirkburnBut for this specific case, I know which style I prefer ... w3c
19:41.04ZealKirkburn, the problem occured because of thw w3c spec ;)
19:42.06Zealstill curious as to why the table seemingly has a left margin :s
19:43.23KirkburnAh, fixing
19:44.06KirkburnSwitched to navbox
19:45.06KirkburnI didn't realise the problem was inline css
19:45.23Zealhehe
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19:46.40Zealt fixed the weird margin too, coolies
19:46.46Zeal*and that O_o
19:47.00Zealbah, another ff update.
19:47.12Zealeverything i open ff, i get an update, lol.
19:47.17Zeal*everytime
19:48.32KirkburnLife sure is tough
19:48.55KirkburnTwas an unfortunate regression bug
19:50.42Gambit;)
19:53.20[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Upper Deck's WoW TCG World Championships coverage begins - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/30/upper-decks-wow-tcg-world-championships-coverage-begins/
19:55.01Kirkburn[[Season 3 Arena rewards==
19:55.06Kirkburn[[Season 3 Arena rewards]]
19:55.07[NewsBot]Kirkburn meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Season_3_Arena_rewards
19:55.26KirkburnThat page made my eyes bleed before I fixed it :P
19:56.21pcjkirkburn i did it with <div> http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Stub/Box/Dev
19:56.22pcjhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:Stub/Box/Dev
19:56.55kd3I cleaned up the class armor sets table once, did someone screw with the formatting again?
19:57.06Fisker-lol
19:57.16KirkburnSomeone made the season 3 stuff look like shite :P
19:57.58KirkburnK10wn, I guess
19:58.03pcjnub
19:58.17pcjidk it looked like crap when kd3 was done with it too
19:58.22KirkburnBroken on IE7 pcj
19:58.36Zealhm?
19:58.57pcjpfft no one uses IE anyway
19:59.11Zeallooks fine to me, where's it broken?
19:59.14KirkburnThe stub page - the icon is centralised, and the header line started after the bullets
19:59.28huraxlooks ok in firefox
19:59.44KirkburnWaitasec
19:59.53KirkburnI'm looking at it in Fx and it's broken
19:59.53Zealicon is on the left and the header is at the top for me..
19:59.57Zealhaha
20:00.06KirkburnBy broken, I mean design wise
20:00.20KirkburnCompare to http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Stub/Ability
20:00.40Zealonly complaint i have is you're using a list next to a left float, thus no indentation.
20:00.49huraxanother thing you should look at, kirkburn:
20:00.53KirkburnThey need separating somehow
20:00.55hurax[[Syndicate]]
20:00.55[NewsBot]hurax meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Syndicate
20:00.59pcjWell, zeal, it's either that or tables
20:01.06Zealnope
20:01.07pcjOr get rid of the list in the stubs
20:01.26Zealcreate a right float to contain the rest.
20:01.27huraxis tagged as possible fair use violation, since i don't know about us law there
20:01.47Zealactually, create a left float. less issues with sizing that way..
20:01.55Zealstupid sub-pixel inconsistancies..
20:02.50pcjhmm, like that? http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Stub/Box/Dev&diff=1011890&oldid=1011881
20:03.25Kirkburnhurax, oh god the rep table is awful
20:03.42Zealyeah, but iirc that'll onyl work right in ie, as there are inconsistancies between browsers for how the calculate float width: auto.
20:03.48Zeallmee check.
20:04.25Fisker-http://i17.tinypic.com/6sc1pa1.jpg
20:05.04Zealhm.. weird, looks fine. that's odd.
20:05.36huraxyes should use the other templates
20:05.36Zealjust need {{clr}}'s now.
20:05.58Kirkburnhurax, Baggins or Ragestorm would be best for that
20:06.24Zealexception ff is acting weird, it's resizing incorrectly after js is loaded.. wtf.
20:08.16pcjIE still has the bullets awfully close to the image
20:08.36Fisker-what's ff?
20:08.38Fisker-Yeah i went there
20:09.01Fisker-also my image is cool :(
20:09.23Zealie displays fine for me pcj, though i'm looking at a preview, not anything you mgiht be doing live.
20:09.34KirkburnFisker-, you meant Fx, right?
20:09.37Zealwhat i can't understand is ff is not respecting clears..
20:09.51Fisker-definitely Kirkburn
20:09.52Zealff = firefox
20:09.57pcjFx= firefox
20:09.57Fisker-Fx = Firefox
20:10.21KirkburnYou'd think the developers would know what the correct acronym is :P
20:10.42Fisker-http://i17.tinypic.com/6sc1pa1.jpg <-but still, it's a cool image :(
20:10.58Kirkburnlol
20:11.06Kirkburnnice
20:11.42KirkburnI wish there was some way of finding all inline designed tables on the wiki
20:12.08Zealit;s the first time i've ever heard it refered to as fx, always was ff, so fx has coem about later after i've stopepd using it.
20:12.16KirkburnI'm so glad I'm rarely seeing any unreadable tables these days though
20:12.49Zealand right now ff is beng utter crap and inconsistant, no surprise. but it looks fine now it seems.
20:12.54Fisker-It was always Fx
20:13.11Zealand it degrades nicely, so yay.
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20:13.32Fisker-The developers corrected people after they came up wit FF and said it was actually Fx
20:13.59ZealFisker-, why would the first time i've ever seen fx be in here since i've coem back and no one mentioned anything when i've used ff since i first came here and infact saw soem of you use ff too.
20:14.11Zealwell the dev's can screw themselves.
20:14.28kd3I've always said fx iirc. 'course, the foundation's always been called the "MoFo" but that doesn't get used all that often
20:14.46Kirkburnlol
20:14.54Zeali didn't know you before i came back kd3 ;)
20:15.06Zealand lol
20:15.27Zeali was mroe referring to Kirkburn if anything. :p
20:15.48KirkburnI used FF until I learnt it was Fx
20:16.01KirkburnWoWWiki was owned by a Fx dev, y'know
20:16.22Fisker-i just obvious troll people who call it FF
20:16.32Zealdidn't, but can't say it bothers me anyways :p
20:16.44Zeallike irregardless? :p
20:16.51Kirkburn:O
20:17.06Hobinheim|ubuntuwhat's ff?
20:17.19Zealfinal fantasy ;)
20:17.28Hobinheim|ubuntuwhat's fx?
20:17.36KirkburnFirefox
20:17.40Zealff ten
20:17.55KirkburnJeez, what planet have you been on Hobinheim|ubuntu ? :)
20:18.00Zeallol
20:18.27Zealkd3, do you have the new jyukai single for the new amg OP and ED?
20:18.53kd3not yet. lemme check nipponsei. think they've probably got it by now
20:19.10Zealaye they have, but i don't like vbr.
20:19.37Hobinheim|ubuntuwait so ff is firefox and fx is final fantasy x?
20:19.56kd3ff and fx are both terms for firefox. the devs prefer fx
20:20.05Hobinheim|ubuntuthat's stupid, it's ff
20:20.06Zeal;)
20:21.31Fisker-kd3 FF is not a valid term
20:21.37Fisker-they do not "prefer" anything
20:21.39Fisker-it IS Fx
20:21.44pcjI thought it was FFx
20:23.13KirkburnYou lot are unbearable :P
20:23.18Fisker-definitely
20:23.34Fisker-lol
20:23.35pcjespecially adys
20:23.42pcji heard he doesn't bathe
20:23.52Fisker-Didn't know that Mozilla was busy being firefox zealots
20:24.11Fisker-thought that these kind of programmers always said to be above that
20:24.26KirkburnO_O
20:25.00Zealthey're my minions! mwuahahahaha
20:25.20[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Everything I needed to know I learned from raid bosses - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/30/everything-i-needed-to-know-i-learned-from-raid-bosses/
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20:37.28Zeal"Wailing Caverns taught me sometimes you have to go back to the beginning to get to the very end." <-- haha i like that one.
20:41.20[NewsBot]WoW Insider: 2.3.2 patch notes updated - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/30/2-3-2-patch-notes-updated/
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20:42.22KirkburnDuTempete!
20:42.59Zealhey
20:43.06DuTempeteKirkburn!
20:44.34pcjhi dutempete :)
20:44.49DuTempeteHow are you, pcj?
20:44.53pcjgood, thanks
20:45.03pcji just need 10 more badges :o
20:45.13DuTempetestinkin' badges!
20:45.29DuTempeteBut that's only two mech runs, or what, 5 heroic dailies?
20:45.40pcjtwo mech runs is 8 badges :P
20:45.55DuTempeteum, no, it's 5
20:45.58DuTempeteper run
20:46.00pcjNope
20:46.03pcjGot nerfed in 2.3
20:46.08DuTempeteoh dan :(
20:46.10DuTempete*damn
20:46.11pcjthe gatekeepers no longer drop a badge each
20:46.14pcjIt's now in the chest
20:46.16DuTempetebastards!
20:47.04Zealare the cheasts still bugged so that it despawns before all in the party get them?
20:47.11Zeal*chests
20:48.01pcjHasn't bugged for me yet
20:48.05pcjSo I assume it's fixed
20:48.19Zealkk
20:49.56Zealwhat does Addybot actually do? :S
20:50.15pcjFrenchify
20:51.30pcj!wwstats
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20:52.06KasoWhy does it have to relog to update stas
20:52.18[NewsBot]pcj has updated the stats for #wowwiki! Check out the stats at http://www.bxd.dk/irc/freenode/wowwiki.html
20:53.43pcjbecause dotted designed it
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20:54.17pcjI need a Foxbot!
20:54.30foxlit... or do you?
20:55.02pcjyes http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:User:Foxbot/Queue
20:55.10Zealhaha, first and second on friends :p
20:56.04pcjalso arena s1 gear has been updated on armory foxlit
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21:03.33pcj!sup
21:03.44pcjfoxlit why isn't foxbot generated {{loot}} links for the items in {{settip}} anymore http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Imperial_Plate&diff=next&oldid=1012122
21:05.20FoxbotThere are currently 131 queued operations.
21:08.18pcj!jobqueue
21:08.22[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 1 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 1sec.
21:09.11pcj!sup
21:13.05FoxbotThere are currently 129 queued operations.
21:13.20[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Potential traffic jams in WotLK - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/30/potential-traffic-jams-in-wotlk/
21:15.12huraxlol
21:15.22huraxwe just killed void reaver during his enrage
21:15.38pcjok
21:15.43hurax3 people were astill live when he fell
21:17.50Zeallol
21:21.13Zeali had to laugh on a kill of morogrim my guild di one day. We had an awful setup that day (low on AoErs and no SP's), and we started wiping on 5%, he did actually manage to kill everyone, but at the same time as the last person, a ehancement sham, frost shocked him and killed him. :p
21:21.35Corganlol
21:21.37Zeal*-as
21:23.00enihow do you do morogrim without aoe?
21:23.06enithat seems like sucha  disaster :(
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21:25.27alieskyhello everybody
21:25.41alieskyhow i can record a video of my wow battle?
21:26.14kd3if you're on windows, you'll want to look in to a program called "fraps". on macs, there's video recording software built in to the client
21:27.14Zeallow on aoe, not no aoe. beleive it was soemthing like 3 locks and 2 mages, and 2 hunters if you care to count them, me being one them.
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21:27.20alieskykd3: you know a soft called GameCam?
21:27.44kd3that also works, I guess. I'm more used to fraps, though
21:27.56ZealThe trial isn't very good from what i remember, full version is good, but you need to pay ofc.
21:28.29alieskyZeal: i can't pay :-(
21:28.32Zealsadly i don't have a ss of that kill >_<
21:28.42Zealme either aliesky, that's why i never used it, lol.
21:29.17alieskyZeal: but fraps need be paid too, right?
21:30.06Zealerm.. not sure, think there's an unregistered and registered version, no idea of the differences.
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21:31.10pcjevel knievel is dead :(
21:31.30ltcolumbohe died?
21:31.31ltcolumbowtf?
21:32.02pcjhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evel_Knievel
21:32.44kd3oh wow
21:33.20Zeali thought he was dead already, heh.
21:33.29Zealslow site is slow
21:33.45Zealbah, his website isn't loading for me.
21:33.55Zealand that's the source of the claim.
21:35.03pcjfoxlit http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Felstalker_Armor&diff=1012234&oldid=1012225
21:37.20[NewsBot]WoW Insider: "Secret vote" changes one of the worst NPC names - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/30/lolol-got-name-changed/
21:37.40kd3zeal; SI's talking about it too
21:37.45kd3http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/11/30/kneviel.ap/index.html
21:38.43foxlitmildly interesting
21:39.54Zealtopping dmg meters is fun, only thing i miss from raiding :p
21:40.51pcj!sup
21:41.16FoxbotThere are currently 107 queued operations.
21:41.42Zealhydros and leo were so intense for me, and were surprisingly where i excelled.
21:42.23Zeali guess i'll trust SI did their research.
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21:46.25alieskykd3: you use a paid version or fraps?
21:46.46kd3no. that's just all I've heard about. I don't run windows
21:46.58alieskyah: ok
21:47.30kd3!sup
21:47.31FoxbotThere are currently 97 queued operations.
21:47.43pcjfoxbot is a little slow
21:48.09foxlitBlame |Pixel|'s budget
21:48.42pcj!sup
21:48.48pcjI mean responding to IRC commands
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21:49.19foxlitSame problem
21:49.37FoxbotThere are currently 93 queued operations.
21:50.53foxlitThere's no asynchronous lua http stack, so every lookup that requires the EU armory has the potential to die in a fire.
21:51.27pcjNice
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21:51.32pcjYou can't run multiple threads?
21:51.56foxlitNot in any meaningful way
21:52.33foxlitCould separate irc from code handling lookups/saves, but that's too much work for no gain
22:02.24foxlit[[ZzDEPRECATED Warsong Mark of Honor]]
22:02.24[NewsBot]foxlit meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/ZzDEPRECATED_Warsong_Mark_of_Honor
22:02.26foxlitcome on :/
22:03.17Zeallol
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22:08.44ltcolumboheh, his website times out
22:09.03ltcolumboI hope CNN doesn't ever put my website on their site
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22:12.36pcjI added &action=render to the hover tooltips so it doesn't have to load the skin every time
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22:33.20[NewsBot]WoW Insider: WoW Insider Show goes live tomorrow - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/30/wow-insider-show-goes-live-tomorrow/
22:47.38pcj!sup
22:47.38FoxbotThere are currently 0 queued operations.
22:48.23pcj!item Lightbringer Greathelm
22:48.34pcjdid you change the foxbot interface foxlit
22:57.33pcj!jobqueue
22:57.39[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 2 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 2secs.
23:04.37pcji've reconfigured the hover tooltips to collapse the set information if it exists, the tooltips were getting pretty big, especially above tier 4 and season 1
23:06.15kd3the tooltips don't appear to be attached to the mouse pointer, though
23:06.46pcjwhat browser, page
23:06.50kd3[[Season 3]]
23:06.51[NewsBot]kd3 meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Season_3
23:07.02kd3they all seem to be attached to the weapons and accessories header
23:07.04kd3firefox 2.0.10
23:07.37pcjworks fine for me on 2.0.10
23:07.50pcjtry cache refresh
23:08.45kd3bah, it's some of my user javascript
23:08.57Kirkburn|afkMontag briefly swung by the wiki :D
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23:17.49Kirkburn|afkpcj, what's the new itemtooltip stuff?
23:18.12pcj<+pcj> I added &action=render to the hover tooltips so it doesn't have to load the skin every time
23:18.14pcj<+pcj> i've reconfigured the hover tooltips to collapse the set information if it exists, the tooltips were getting pretty big, especially above tier 4 and season 1
23:18.30Kirkburn|afkAh, cool :)
23:18.37Kirkburn|afkBtw, pcj_2, another PC?
23:18.40pcjyes
23:18.50Kirkburn|afkAre you pingable on both?
23:18.57pcjpcj_2 is home computer
23:19.24Kirkburn|afkGuess that's a no :P
23:19.38Kirkburn|afkAt least, not for pings in any reasonable time frame :O
23:19.46Zeallol
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23:28.11Zealwoot, easier thna i thought. created a "toaster" in mirc for my music script.
23:35.05pcjlol mr. x8 giving advice on grammar
23:37.20[NewsBot]WoW Insider: You feel normal - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/30/you-feel-normal/

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