| 00:00.27 | snafoo | Has anyone managed to get voice chat workining under wine? |
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| 00:17.03 | Arcane_NH | how much would you tip for Enchant Cloak -- Greater Defense? |
| 00:17.36 | bleeter | 1c and a kick in the nads |
| 00:18.20 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Terokkar_Chokeberry |
| 00:18.22 | foxlit | odd stuff |
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| 00:19.03 | Lukian | Arcane_NH, depends how far they travelled to get to you |
| 00:19.06 | Bassoopioka | wtf dunemaul is out ? |
| 00:19.21 | Arcane_NH | I traveled from ORG to TB |
| 00:20.02 | Bassoopioka | can anyone else log in wow ? =O me and mu friend cannot connect to dunemaul |
| 00:20.09 | bleeter | 'tip' is, generally in my book, whatever someone (a) can afford (b) feels is appropriate (own mats, ench's mats, skillup etc.) |
| 00:21.02 | Arcane_NH | I gave 25s |
| 00:21.45 | Arcane_NH | man [[Nightscape Headband]] just isn't selling on my server |
| 00:22.40 | winkiller | lol. http://usuarios.lycos.es/bbrp/alien_1/AL1_mat_comic13_1_th.jpg |
| 00:22.54 | winkiller | that page rocks http://usuarios.lycos.es/bbrp/mathematics.html |
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| 00:48.58 | Rprp | EU servers down? |
| 00:59.34 | Arcane_NH | such a depressing grind from 39 to 40. Especially when you only have 10g |
| 01:00.24 | Sky2042 | yeah... don't stop to farm for the mount like i did :| |
| 01:00.45 | Sky2042 | i leveled from 39-42 just grinding for money for my horsie. |
| 01:00.48 | Sky2042 | >_< |
| 01:01.58 | Kaso | Seems like a good idea to me |
| 01:02.51 | Sky2042 | it's not |
| 01:03.04 | Sky2042 | just leveling is a better idea. |
| 01:05.13 | Kaso | surely a mount signficantly improves your leveling time |
| 01:05.37 | Kaso | less time wasted running around for quests, more xp |
| 01:06.12 | bleeter | but it's a faster grind now! :P |
| 01:08.03 | Sky2042 | ^ |
| 01:08.31 | Sky2042 | besides, isn't it generally accepted that killing mobs to your quest places and then back again is the fastest? |
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| 01:32.21 | Sky2042 | bagginsww, need a banhammer |
| 01:33.07 | Sky2042 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/BBaddict |
| 01:34.12 | Sky2042 | or foxlit / kaydeethree |
| 01:34.28 | kd3 | sec |
| 01:36.17 | sacarasc | lol, farming gold for a mount... i've never had to do that ;p always been able to afford it on 40 and 60 no problems |
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| 01:38.52 | Sky2042_ | oh ffs |
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| 01:42.11 | Sky2042_ | did wowwiki die?... |
| 01:43.22 | kd3 | hm? recent changes is popping up as quick as usual for me |
| 01:44.16 | Sky2042 | i can't access it /at all/. all other sites are fine |
| 01:44.18 | Sky2042 | gah |
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| 02:13.27 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Arcane Brilliance: Leveling your baby mage - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/17/arcane-brilliance-leveling-your-baby-mage/ |
| 02:13.33 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: The Art of War(craft): Alterac Valley, Part I - Evolution - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/17/the-art-of-war-craft-alterac-valley-part-i-evolution/ |
| 02:13.39 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: The WoW Insider show is on the air! - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/17/the-wow-insider-show-is-on-the-air/ |
| 02:13.44 | cladhaire | whoa |
| 02:13.45 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: WoW Insider Weekly - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/17/wow-insider-weekly/ |
| 02:13.51 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Beating the Zul'Aman gauntlet - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/17/beating-the-zulaman-gauntlet/ |
| 02:18.55 | winkiller | is there any list of undocumented changes for 2.3? |
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| 03:08.14 | Sky2042 | [[Patch 2.3.0/Undocumented changes]], winkiller |
| 03:08.14 | [NewsBot] | Sky2042 meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.3.0/Undocumented_changes |
| 03:08.22 | Sky2042 | i think |
| 03:24.08 | [NewsBot] | BlizzPlanet: Report Ads - Help keep it clean - http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=1842 |
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| 03:24.39 | [NewsBot] | Dark Legacy: #101:Training - http://www.darklegacycomics.com/101.html |
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| 03:26.39 | [NewsBot] | GamePolitics: In Spain, Outrage over Strategy Game Based on 1936 Civil War - http://gamepolitics.com/2007/11/17/in-spain-outrage-over-strategy-game-based-on-1936-civil-war/ |
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| 03:26.52 | [NewsBot] | GamePolitics: Policy Wonk: Use Video Games to Combat Islamic Extremism - http://gamepolitics.com/2007/11/16/policy-wonk-proposes-using-video-games-to-combat-islamic-extremism/ |
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| 03:37.22 | Bagginsww | Huntsman Markhor: "Zul'jin shall return one day. Mark my words. Until then, we all hold our positions and do what we can to keep the forest troll population intact." |
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| 04:01.32 | Bagginsww | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb1DgiJdEBI&feature=related |
| 04:01.34 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
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| 06:18.21 | Sky2042 | Bagginsww: "Zul" theory fails |
| 06:20.14 | Sky2042 | either that, or the attempts at translation fail. |
| 06:22.16 | Sky2042 | well, no, i guess it doesn't fail. |
| 06:22.22 | Sky2042 | i fail :| |
| 06:24.20 | Sky2042 | btw, "rokh" in amani means "destroyer" |
| 06:24.39 | Sky2042 | or not |
| 06:24.41 | Sky2042 | hmmm |
| 06:25.04 | Sky2042 | linguistic nuances ftl |
| 06:25.53 | Sky2042 | i think "rokh" means end of a world. |
| 06:26.10 | Sky2042 | jin therefore = great. but so does zul? |
| 06:26.25 | Sky2042 | zul'jin is therefore, great great... which doesn't work. |
| 06:26.30 | sacarasc | maybe he's very great |
| 06:26.32 | Sky2042 | end of the world* |
| 06:26.49 | Sky2042 | oh, I'm glad there's someone here to share my linguistic thoughts with me. |
| 06:28.49 | Sky2042 | but then, that leaves no meaning for "zin" |
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| 07:03.36 | Bagginsww | in linguistics a prefix used in a name doesn't necessarily have to be the same prefix used in a place name |
| 07:03.51 | Bagginsww | you basicalyl could get more than one defintion for the same prefix |
| 07:04.04 | Bagginsww | in this case we only know of the syntax when it refers toa title/name of a person |
| 07:05.06 | Bagginsww | kinda busy or I'd try to hunt you up some real world examples |
| 07:05.22 | Bagginsww | where the same prefix could end up meaning two very different hings :p |
| 07:06.12 | Sky2042_ | oh, i know |
| 07:06.41 | Sky2042_ | depending on the rest of the word usually changes the prefix |
| 07:06.49 | Sky2042_ | 's connotation* |
| 07:08.27 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 07:08.29 | Bagginsww | context |
| 07:08.50 | Bagginsww | we were given some amusing examples last week in japanese |
| 07:09.00 | Bagginsww | but I can't remember what it was :p |
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| 07:09.55 | Sky2042_ | oh yes, let's not forget inflection of the spoken prose |
| 07:09.56 | Sky2042_ | >.> |
| 07:11.45 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 07:12.05 | Bagginsww | its very wrong to apply english grammar to something foreign. |
| 07:13.53 | Bagginsww | oh ya |
| 07:13.56 | Bagginsww | I think itw as san |
| 07:14.00 | Bagginsww | in japanese |
| 07:14.15 | Bagginsww | actually more of a suffixe |
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| 07:15.05 | Bagginsww | but apparently when used one way it can mean moutain |
| 07:15.14 | Bagginsww | when used another way as a suffice for a name |
| 07:15.22 | Bagginsww | it takes on a masculine meaning |
| 07:17.05 | Bagginsww | well not masculine |
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| 07:17.32 | Bagginsww | just honor |
| 07:17.39 | Bagginsww | not sure on exact definition :p |
| 07:18.15 | Bagginsww | it roughly translates out as mr. or ms. |
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| 07:31.14 | Sky2042 | sleeeeeeep |
| 07:33.55 | Bagginsww | gnight |
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| 07:37.56 | Bagginsww | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:40.35 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Zandali#Zandali_Primer_.28official_translations.29 |
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| 09:28.05 | Zeal | ffs, stupid wikipedia bots.. |
| 09:28.14 | Zeal | gunna end up in an edit war with one |
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| 09:29.42 | Zeal | image links needs to be maintained in the article as the destiation for future additions, but someone uploaded images under the wrong license so their bot is removing all links to the images from pages instead of just deleting them, so i keep reverting to add the images back to the article. jsut delete them ffs, stupid policy. |
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| 11:27.35 | foxlit | grr |
| 11:27.39 | foxlit | Foxbot update queue makes me qq! |
| 11:30.38 | foxlit | pcj: ping |
| 11:31.19 | Zeal | queue queue queue queue |
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| 11:33.02 | foxlit | [WIQ] Failed to resolve item id for [Drillmaster Zurok's Orders] |
| 11:33.02 | foxlit | [WIQ] Failed to resolve item id for [Legion Missive] |
| 11:33.03 | foxlit | [WIQ] Failed to resolve item id for [Silver Rose Pendant] |
| 11:33.03 | foxlit | [WIQ] Failed to resolve item id for [Aldor Cermonial Wraps] |
| 11:33.03 | foxlit | [WIQ] Failed to resolve item id for [Terokkar Chokeberry] |
| 11:33.04 | foxlit | [WIQ] Failed to resolve item id for [Warp Hunter Essence] |
| 11:33.05 | foxlit | [WIQ] Failed to resolve item id for [Kokorek's Talisman] |
| 11:33.07 | foxlit | [WIQ] Failed to resolve item id for [Netherflame Robe] |
| 11:33.09 | foxlit | [WIQ] Failed to resolve item id for [Mystic Bladestone] |
| 11:33.11 | foxlit | [WIQ] Failed to resolve item id for [Brilliant Bladestone] |
| 11:33.13 | foxlit | [WIQ] Failed to resolve item id for [Delicate Fire Ruby] |
| 11:33.15 | foxlit | [WIQ] Failed to resolve item id for [Warpath Bracers] |
| 11:33.17 | Zeal | .. |
| 11:33.17 | foxlit | and so on |
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| 11:33.39 | Zeal | O_o |
| 11:34.00 | Polarina | We are forming a guild on a European realm for addon development if anyone is interested in signing the [Guild Charter]. Realm is Anachronos, Alliance. |
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| 11:35.36 | foxlit | !sup |
| 11:35.36 | Foxbot | There are currently 2310 queued operations. |
| 11:36.12 | Polarina | Foxbot: You forgot the thousand seperator (.) |
| 11:36.33 | foxlit | Thousand separators are for the weak. |
| 11:36.39 | Zeal | indeed |
| 11:36.44 | foxlit | Besides, . is the decimal separator |
| 11:37.09 | Zeal | no one needs them until you get to a million. |
| 11:37.11 | Polarina | foxlit: No, '.' is the thousand seperator and ',' is the decimal seperator. |
| 11:37.22 | Zeal | wrong way around polarina |
| 11:37.25 | foxlit | And in the blazing feat of self-irony |
| 11:37.25 | foxlit | WIQ] Failed to resolve item id for [User:Foxbot/Update] |
| 11:37.29 | Zeal | unless you live in some weird country |
| 11:37.29 | Polarina | Zeal: Since when?? |
| 11:37.35 | Zeal | since forever |
| 11:37.56 | Polarina | Zeal: You live in a wierd country, all countries except for USA do it the way I mentioned. |
| 11:38.31 | Zeal | rofl? |
| 11:38.37 | Zeal | the uk don't |
| 11:38.47 | Zeal | as far as i know, none of europe do either |
| 11:41.00 | Polarina | Zeal: Europe does! |
| 11:41.09 | Polarina | Zeal: UK does! |
| 11:41.11 | clad|away | sweden uses : |
| 11:41.16 | clad|away | as the decimal separator |
| 11:41.33 | Zeal | uk does not polarina |
| 11:41.46 | clad|away | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.47 | foxlit | English-speaking countries generally use . as the decimal separator |
| 11:41.52 | clad|away | it does not use , as decimal |
| 11:41.55 | clad|away | it uses . |
| 11:41.59 | Zeal | aye clad |
| 11:42.04 | foxlit | Some european backwater countries use , |
| 11:42.30 | clad|away | damn europe and their 53,45.43,56 coordinates |
| 11:42.48 | Zeal | lol |
| 11:43.03 | foxlit | Hey, that can't be right! |
| 11:43.10 | foxlit | Nobody made . the list separator :P |
| 11:43.36 | Zeal | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator#Examples_of_use |
| 11:43.43 | Polarina | clad|away: It's {53,45, 43,56} |
| 11:43.47 | clad|away | yeah see |
| 11:43.49 | clad|away | that makes NO sense. |
| 11:43.56 | clad|away | you can't use it as the decimal, and list separator |
| 11:44.39 | Zeal | lol |
| 11:45.14 | Polarina | clad|away: {53,45 - 43,56} |
| 11:45.22 | clad|away | now i can agree with the thousandth separator being wrong |
| 11:45.25 | clad|away | its wronfg everywhere imo |
| 11:45.26 | clad|away | BUT |
| 11:45.34 | clad|away | when i'm writing a list, and obviously when you're writing a list, you use , |
| 11:45.35 | clad|away | not - |
| 11:45.43 | clad|away | math dictates a set is {1,2,3,4,5} |
| 11:45.50 | clad|away | therefore you can't use it for decimal separator as well |
| 11:45.53 | clad|away | hence . is a good choice |
| 11:45.57 | clad|away | </rant> |
| 11:46.06 | clad|away | off to lunch |
| 11:46.12 | Zeal | hm, apprently sweden is , for decimal clad|away, not : |
| 11:46.27 | clad|away | oh my bf is wrong, but then THEYRE WRONG IMO |
| 11:46.32 | Zeal | lol |
| 11:47.02 | foxlit | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/83/DecimalSeparator.png |
| 11:47.19 | Zeal | does seem most of europe uses "," for decimal, but english-speaking countries and soem other randoms use "." |
| 11:48.22 | Polarina | Comma or not, I don't care. But I will still say these words like this: colour, honour, armour, etc.. |
| 11:48.41 | Zeal | yeah, list seperator |
| 11:49.13 | foxlit | Spoiler: u is silent |
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| 12:38.45 | foxlit | pcj: more pings! |
| 12:39.19 | foxlit | Where is junk like http://www.wowwiki.com/Ceremonial_Loincloth coming from? :) |
| 12:56.05 | pcj | That specific one... http://www.wowwiki.com/Ceremonial_Collection |
| 12:59.17 | Polarina | We are forming a guild on a European realm for addon development if anyone is interested in signing the [Guild Charter]. Realm is Anachronos, Alliance. (: |
| 13:00.12 | pcj | Polarina: http://www.wowwiki.com/In-game_developer_guilds :) |
| 13:01.10 | Polarina | pcj: These are US, we need EU. |
| 13:01.23 | pcj | Well, i was saying you could add your name to the list |
| 13:01.39 | Polarina | pcj: It's not yet formed, more signatures needed. |
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| 13:03.04 | Lukian | haha those are awesome guild names |
| 13:03.41 | Polarina | pcj: Reload that page. |
| 13:04.15 | Zeal | lol |
| 13:04.17 | Lukian | "The fine folks over at wowinterface.com have set up the following two guilds, where all developers are welcome:" |
| 13:04.18 | Lukian | fail. |
| 13:04.23 | Lukian | there's now 3 listed :P |
| 13:04.29 | Polarina | Ops.... |
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| 13:04.38 | pcj | heh |
| 13:04.52 | Polarina | Reload. :) |
| 13:05.10 | Lukian | :) |
| 13:05.14 | Lukian | Awesome name also! |
| 13:05.19 | Polarina | Lukian: Thanks. |
| 13:05.43 | Lukian | Polarina, did you ask the #wowhead channel? |
| 13:05.49 | Polarina | Lukian: Yes. |
| 13:05.57 | Lukian | #wowi-lounge ? |
| 13:06.08 | Polarina | Lukian: And #wowace |
| 13:06.17 | Zeal | but is your guild associated with wowi liek the others? :S |
| 13:06.28 | Polarina | Zeal: Yes. |
| 13:06.33 | Zeal | ah, kk |
| 13:06.36 | Polarina | Zeal: I use WoWI only. :D |
| 13:06.40 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Breakfast Topic: Would you pre-BC raid with your alt? - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/18/breakfast-topic-would-you-pre-bc-raid-with-your-alt/ |
| 13:06.54 | Zeal | you're in #wowace too ;) |
| 13:07.09 | Zeal | just didn't see you in #wowi-lounge is all. |
| 13:07.11 | Lukian | Polarina, maybe you should add links to IRC on there |
| 13:07.22 | Polarina | Lukian: Links? |
| 13:07.41 | Lukian | irc://irc.freenode.net/wowi-lounge iirc? |
| 13:09.14 | pcj | kek http://www.wowwiki.com/Field_Repair_Bod_110G |
| 13:12.48 | Corgan | lol |
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| 13:17.23 | pcj | foxlit it butchered the cost template http://www.wowwiki.com/Veteran%27s_Mail_Girdle |
| 13:18.33 | pcj | !sup |
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| 13:20.34 | foxlit | pcj: That specific one... http://www.wowwiki.com/Ceremonial_Collection |
| 13:20.39 | foxlit | Collection page is wrong, yeah? |
| 13:22.37 | foxlit | ack on the cost issue, though |
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| 13:25.51 | pcj | it missed the AB tokens |
| 13:26.11 | foxlit | Yeah, noticed |
| 13:27.22 | foxlit | Annoying, though |
| 13:27.43 | foxlit | Lua doesn't have repeat-this-block syntax for regexes, so that puts me in a bit of a fix |
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| 13:40.06 | Zeal | hm.. |
| 13:43.55 | Zeal | accidentaly set common to black, lol. |
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| 14:45.27 | Polarina | Hurray! The EU Dev guild is formed. :D All who want a invite, just drop me a message. |
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| 17:47.29 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Hyjal_Summit |
| 17:47.35 | Bagginsww | Fandyllic added a stub to that? |
| 17:53.17 | Zeal | suprised you haven't commented on http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Warcraft_pump#.23_Factions Bagginsww |
| 17:53.44 | Bagginsww | hmm I don't read pumps much |
| 17:53.54 | Bagginsww | also busy on a project right now |
| 17:53.56 | Zeal | ah |
| 17:54.00 | Zeal | and lol.. isn't a stub |
| 17:54.16 | Bagginsww | fandy lives in his own world I think... |
| 17:54.30 | Zeal | aye |
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| 18:10.46 | foxlit | I'd go for {{cleanup}} |
| 18:17.55 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Scarlet_Crusade#NPOV |
| 18:18.03 | Bagginsww | LOL when will people learn they can't have it both ways ;) |
| 18:18.38 | Bagginsww | If there going to complain about fair use, then fair use needs to be upheld in its fullist |
| 18:18.41 | Bagginsww | *fullest |
| 18:19.27 | Bagginsww | There can't be any hypocritical middle |
| 18:27.48 | Zeal | isn't that what wikipedia is founded on? :o |
| 18:28.04 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 18:28.09 | Zeal | :p |
| 18:28.15 | Zeal | fs.. |
| 18:28.27 | Bagginsww | hmm what's wrong with my password :p |
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| 18:28.56 | Zeal | just when i find i find some obscure uk stores or order my missing manga volumes from, i discover though they are based in the uk, they merely by from american stores and ship to you.. |
| 18:29.02 | Zeal | 'tards.. |
| 18:29.12 | Bagginsww | hmm |
| 18:29.17 | Zeal | *i think i find |
| 18:29.21 | Bagginsww | so ya that ultimate edition manga is huge |
| 18:29.23 | Zeal | *to order |
| 18:29.34 | Zeal | sunwell? |
| 18:29.38 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 18:29.41 | Zeal | lol |
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| 18:32.11 | Bagginsww | I don't have a very nice scanner, but someone should scan the picture of Tyrigosa in t he back |
| 18:32.37 | Bagginsww | also ghostlands coverartwork |
| 18:32.42 | Bagginsww | for sylvanas |
| 18:32.58 | Bagginsww | since it doesn't have the titles or author text over it |
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| 19:04.42 | Fisker- | is this news Bibi? |
| 19:07.14 | Bibi | yeah, me got tons of news in the same seconds |
| 19:09.10 | Zeal | i love it, a uk based book store, is listing an item on amazon.com for the most expensive price of all, yet it's not listing on it's own site or .co.uk and thus i would have to pay internation shipping fees which cost almost the same price as the book.. gg |
| 19:09.28 | Zeal | *international |
| 19:10.11 | Zeal | bugger it, buy a slightly dmg'd version from the same company i'm getting everything else, far cheaper than amazon. |
| 19:10.23 | Zeal | seems nowhere in the uk has them : / |
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| 19:11.45 | Zeal | $85 vs. $50 big difference, lol |
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| 19:28.21 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Scarlet_Crusade#NPOV |
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| 19:37.24 | Avaryse | I have a very awkward question. I'm a wiki page retard, but I'm working on exploring the expanded Horde side quests related to the Shady Inn. Is there some way I could provide the quest information to someone who is capable of (and more importantly understands how to) turning it into a page in Wiki? I'm not interested in credit or anything - just wanted to share the info on the quests as I find it. |
| 19:39.26 | Zeal | well, most of the quest info should be readily available from wowhead or similar |
| 19:39.52 | Zeal | creating a stub might work, but some people don't like stubs, so if it doesn't get some content it may be deleted. |
| 19:40.18 | Bagginsww | btw the lore writing policy needs a bit of a change |
| 19:40.24 | Avaryse | So far, for the Horde quest line on the Shady Rest Inn, I haven't been able to find the following steps. |
| 19:40.25 | Zeal | as always Bagginsww ;) |
| 19:40.52 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Policy/Writing/Lore |
| 19:40.56 | Bagginsww | specifically the conflicts section |
| 19:40.58 | Avaryse | I like doing the exploring. I just thought I'd ask if there was a simpler way to provide the info, since I was exploring them anyway. :) |
| 19:41.25 | Bagginsww | basically we have one policy going where we compare and contrast contentious points of lore |
| 19:41.37 | Bagginsww | and another were we define something as a retcon |
| 19:41.54 | Bagginsww | however, its been established that assigning things as retcons is pure speculation |
| 19:41.54 | Zeal | well if the quest pages already exist on the wiki, you can add to the talk page the info you want to see added and explain that. if not, then probably should make a page, mark it a stub and then add it to the talk page :p |
| 19:42.08 | Zeal | indeed Bagginsww |
| 19:42.11 | Bagginsww | as some of the older material still exists as flavor lore |
| 19:42.28 | Zeal | always said it needed fixing |
| 19:42.46 | dreamss | anyone hapen to know the name of the minipet blue welp? |
| 19:42.56 | Bagginsww | well I'll wait to help fix it once kirkburn is back |
| 19:43.45 | Bagginsww | I don't need tyrensus poopooing in the village pump again :p |
| 19:43.59 | Bagginsww | its rather obvious he's out to get me LOL |
| 19:45.05 | Zeal | references, citations, quotes, speculation, retcons, theories. they all need a clearer and expandable policy. Beleive you saw before how i was pushing kirkburn to sort out the differences between references, quotes and citations so we have a clear standard for people to follow, also how theories and speculation should be handled, and how complex theories should have an article of their own that the relevant articles can link to |
| 19:45.19 | Zeal | nope, sorry dreamss : / |
| 19:45.35 | dreamss | ty |
| 19:45.42 | dreamss | anyways |
| 19:45.44 | Zeal | someone had a minipet wiki page i remember.. forget who or where though, sorry. |
| 19:45.49 | Avaryse | the Azure whelpling? |
| 19:46.10 | Zeal | who isn't these days Bagginsww? ;) |
| 19:46.16 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 19:46.23 | Zeal | sure soem of it is envy too |
| 19:46.26 | Zeal | lol |
| 19:46.36 | dreamss | oh sweet |
| 19:46.54 | Zeal | anyways, i'm off for food and tv, dunno if i'll be back before bed, so nn all |
| 19:46.55 | Avaryse | warcraftpets.com is a nice resource for those little cuties. |
| 19:47.00 | Zeal | aye |
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| 20:00.04 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Policy/Writing/Lore#Upcoming_revamps |
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| 20:19.49 | pcj | oh shit |
| 20:19.56 | Sky2042 | mm? |
| 20:20.05 | pcj | topic needs to be updated |
| 20:20.19 | Sky2042 | i'm glad you noticed |
| 20:20.20 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Statistics |
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| 20:25.26 | Sky2042 | btw, i blame laurlybot for that |
| 20:26.16 | pcj | yeah it's obviously not foxbot |
| 20:27.07 | Sky2042 | those |
| 20:27.17 | Sky2042 | the "subpages" count toward real pages :/ |
| 20:32.10 | foxlit | Sure about that? |
| 20:32.28 | Sky2042 | positive |
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| 20:33.26 | Bagginsww | good a postive use of the term Sunwell Plateau? |
| 20:34.06 | Sky2042 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Lonelypages |
| 20:34.09 | Sky2042 | foxlit ^ |
| 20:34.47 | Bagginsww | Lawl, that blizzplanet article calls it sunwell plateau |
| 20:34.55 | foxlit | "This number excludes redirects, discussion pages, image description pages, user profile pages, templates, help pages, portals, articles without links to other articles, and pages for WoWWiki administration. " |
| 20:34.59 | Bagginsww | however in the actual interivew its just "Sunwell" |
| 20:35.13 | Bagginsww | no mention of plateau that I can find |
| 20:35.23 | pcj | I think the Sunwell is the 5 man and the plateau is the raid |
| 20:35.44 | Sky2042 | foxlit: yes. which means that laurly's subpages count as real pages :| |
| 20:35.59 | Sky2042 | as do every other "subpage", but hers are the most numerous. |
| 20:36.11 | foxlit | Not any that appear on Lonelypages |
| 20:36.28 | Bagginsww | nop pcj |
| 20:36.31 | Bagginsww | he calls both Sunwell |
| 20:36.34 | Bagginsww | in that interview |
| 20:36.39 | pcj | hmm |
| 20:36.44 | Bagginsww | he says the Sunwell is made up of two instances |
| 20:36.47 | Sky2042 | foxlit: huh? |
| 20:36.51 | Bagginsww | a 5 man and a raid |
| 20:37.02 | Sky2042 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.03 | Sky2042 | and etc |
| 20:37.04 | pcj | well it's gonna be fun differentiating in lfg then |
| 20:37.17 | Bagginsww | so the entire area is called the Sunwell. As for the names of each instance however unknown |
| 20:37.19 | foxlit | misreading a direction of that "does not include" condition :) |
| 20:37.32 | Sky2042 | um. 5 man sunwell and 25 man sunwell |
| 20:37.37 | Bagginsww | yep |
| 20:37.40 | Bagginsww | that's how he describes it |
| 20:37.45 | Bagginsww | no reference to plateau ever |
| 20:38.14 | Bagginsww | I think the plateau idea was left over from when they were thinking of moving the locaton of the sunwell to the middle of quel'thalas |
| 20:38.26 | Bagginsww | rather than on the island |
| 20:38.30 | Bagginsww | but enough people complained |
| 20:39.22 | Bagginsww | I'm going to merge Sunwell and Sunwell Plateau now. |
| 20:39.35 | Bagginsww | if Plateau shows up to be a sub-zone instance we can always add that later |
| 20:39.37 | Sky2042 | Bagginsww: hold up a minute |
| 20:39.52 | Bagginsww | but the main article is definitely needs to be Sunwell |
| 20:40.00 | Bagginsww | that's the name of the dungeon |
| 20:40.12 | Sky2042 | but sunwell is the lore |
| 20:40.14 | Sky2042 | leave be, man |
| 20:40.32 | Bagginsww | The lore can be merged into the main article |
| 20:40.32 | Sky2042 | just wait for the actual names to be released |
| 20:40.37 | Bagginsww | the actual name is Sunwell |
| 20:40.43 | Sky2042 | with that much lore? o_o |
| 20:40.54 | Sky2042 | oh, lemme see |
| 20:40.54 | Bagginsww | Zul'aman much? |
| 20:40.54 | foxlit | Sunwell (lore), np |
| 20:41.03 | Bagginsww | [[Zul'Aman]] |
| 20:41.04 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Zul'Aman |
| 20:41.06 | Sky2042 | foxlit: no. ragestorm would havea a cow |
| 20:41.15 | foxlit | Grr |
| 20:41.23 | foxlit | That bullet point list on top of pages is annoying |
| 20:41.29 | Sky2042 | agreed |
| 20:41.48 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Sunwell_%28Dungeon%29 |
| 20:41.50 | Bagginsww | easy |
| 20:41.51 | Bagginsww | for now |
| 20:41.56 | Sky2042 | Bagginsww: where's it say that "Sunwell" is the real name? |
| 20:42.05 | Bagginsww | read the freaking interview |
| 20:42.15 | Bagginsww | infobot posted it :p |
| 20:42.16 | Sky2042 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.28 | Sky2042 | i never got it -_- |
| 20:42.37 | Bagginsww | and I've been keeping track of the name they have been using at forums too |
| 20:42.50 | Bagginsww | Blues have been using Sunwell for a long time now |
| 20:43.17 | Bagginsww | the only instance where they used "Plateau" was pre-tbc as far as I know |
| 20:43.30 | pcj | when did Dungeon become a proper noun baggins |
| 20:43.53 | Sky2042 | go pcj~ |
| 20:43.55 | Sky2042 | ! |
| 20:43.59 | Bagginsww | http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=1847 |
| 20:44.06 | Bagginsww | oops |
| 20:44.10 | Bagginsww | I capped it? |
| 20:44.11 | Bagginsww | lol |
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| 20:45.02 | Sky2042 | Bagginsww: there aren't enough instances of "Sunwell" useage in that interview. He says it once -_- |
| 20:45.41 | Bagginsww | and with the useage in the forums, and the fact that the file names is "Sunwell" too apaprently |
| 20:45.54 | Sky2042 | eh |
| 20:46.00 | Sky2042 | how do you think AQ was before release? |
| 20:46.19 | Sky2042 | ummmm |
| 20:46.32 | Sky2042 | kd3: you fail for not id-ing |
| 20:46.42 | Lukian | good point, most people referred to it as AQ20 and AQ40 on my realm |
| 20:46.53 | kd3 | when I first ran these quests I didn't have any addons running on the PTR |
| 20:47.39 | Bagginsww | and sky its just called Sunwell in Sunwell Trilogy Ultimate edition :) |
| 20:47.49 | Bagginsww | no such thing as Sunwell Plateau in that book |
| 20:48.18 | Sky2042 | it'll end up being SW5 and SW25 >.> |
| 20:48.31 | Sky2042 | and they'll have names that differentiate the two, just as they did for AQ |
| 20:48.37 | Sky2042 | ruins vs temple |
| 20:48.37 | Bagginsww | probably |
| 20:49.07 | Fisker- | blues also refer to The Molten Core as Molten Core |
| 20:49.08 | Fisker- | olol |
| 20:49.08 | Fisker- | OWNED |
| 20:49.16 | Sky2042 | uh.... |
| 20:49.19 | Sky2042 | Fisker-: you fail. |
| 20:49.20 | Bagginsww | WE drop the "The" on everything |
| 20:49.30 | Bagginsww | except boats for some reason |
| 20:50.10 | Sky2042 | boats are like... npcs |
| 20:50.13 | Sky2042 | xD |
| 20:50.15 | Fisker- | anyways we already know that they'll have an actual area up there as well |
| 20:50.21 | Fisker- | that's not instanced |
| 20:51.16 | Sky2042 | [[Sunwell Isle]] |
| 20:51.17 | [NewsBot] | Sky2042 meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Sunwell_Isle |
| 20:52.39 | Bagginsww | yes and Sunwell Grove is on that island |
| 20:52.40 | Bagginsww | or was |
| 20:53.05 | Sky2042 | doubtless the name of the 5 man. |
| 20:54.05 | kd3 | oh, doh |
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| 20:55.47 | Bagginsww | grove surrounded the entire sunwell |
| 20:56.07 | Sky2042 | then possibly the name of the 25 :|... |
| 20:57.13 | foxlit | Hey |
| 20:57.25 | foxlit | Only two hours to completing the doable parts of the full-page queue! |
| 20:57.30 | Sky2042 | mm? |
| 20:57.52 | Bagginsww | I'd lI would leae the possible merge up until its released and we find out how much we nee dto add ore edit |
| 20:58.30 | Sky2042 | Bagginsww: would you like to use understandable english for us, please? :P |
| 20:58.39 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 20:58.51 | Sky2042 | foxlit: for foxbot? |
| 20:58.54 | Bagginsww | *I'd leave the merge template up, until the full release. |
| 20:59.09 | foxlit | Yep |
| 20:59.22 | Bagginsww | we don't usually split zone pages into lore pages |
| 20:59.25 | Bagginsww | nor instance pages |
| 20:59.38 | Bagginsww | and there are zone pages with lots of lore |
| 20:59.43 | Bagginsww | we do seperate quest pages though |
| 20:59.47 | Bagginsww | from zone pages |
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| 21:09.05 | Sky2042 | btw, you fail dotted. |
| 21:09.39 | foxlit | !sup |
| 21:09.40 | Foxbot | There are currently 622 queued operations. |
| 21:09.45 | foxlit | tbh, dotted. |
| 21:09.48 | foxlit | Write a foxbot module! |
| 21:10.06 | foxlit | Got restarting those down to an art, nobody needs to notice :P |
| 21:12.46 | Bagginsww | so there is a flightpath between zul'aman and main world? |
| 21:12.55 | Bagginsww | and people told me it wouldn't happen:p |
| 21:15.14 | ecs | i thought it was only to silvermoon |
| 21:15.18 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&hidebots=0&limit=150 |
| 21:15.23 | foxlit | Light's Hope too |
| 21:15.27 | foxlit | Fear the bot |
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| 21:28.08 | Sky2042 | loooooooool |
| 21:30.00 | Sky2042 | LOL |
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| 21:45.32 | bleeter | the chicken as the official symbol of theramore.... hahahaha |
| 21:47.38 | Bagginsww | The cake is a lie |
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| 22:15.18 | foxlit | !sup |
| 22:15.18 | Foxbot | There are currently 405 queued operations. |
| 22:48.21 | [NewsBot] | Dark Legacy: #117:Assault The Mine - http://www.darklegacycomics.com/117.html |
| 22:55.56 | Sky2042 | lol |
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| 23:42.49 | Bagginsww | `http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Scarlet_Crusade#NPOV |
| 23:42.53 | Bagginsww | it goes on and on an on :p |
| 23:47.51 | pcj | !sup |
| 23:47.52 | Foxbot | There are currently 92 queued operations. |
| 23:51.19 | Sky2042 | !sup |
| 23:51.19 | Foxbot | There are currently 82 queued operations. |
| 23:52.24 | Sky2042 | 10 ops / 4 min is 5 ops /2 min is 2.5 ops per minute. which is 2.5 / 60 which is 5 / 120 = 1 every 24 seconds |
| 23:53.07 | sacarasc | it was only 3m 28 seconds between you and pcj checking though |
| 23:53.20 | Sky2042 | i don't have secs on my time stamps |
| 23:53.21 | Sky2042 | >.> |
| 23:53.36 | Sky2042 | 10 / 3.5 = 1 every 20 sec. |
| 23:54.17 | sacarasc | 21 seconds... |
| 23:54.33 | sacarasc | 208/10 = 20.8 |
| 23:55.13 | Sky2042 | but foxlit isn't quite that inhuman |
| 23:55.15 | Sky2042 | >.> |
| 23:56.07 | Sky2042 | http://www6.comcast.net/news/articles/odd/2007/11/16/AS.ODD.Thailand.Mushroom.Stop/ |
| 23:56.10 | foxlit | It's (time to do work) + 10s between edits |
| 23:56.32 | Sky2042 | foxlit: you're just weird. |
