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| 00:17.41 | Zeal | http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php <- rofl |
| 00:19.51 | Sky2042 | hehheh |
| 00:22.32 | Zeal | guess it's not "Assasins do it from behind" :P |
| 00:25.19 | Bagginsww | anyone read lawl |
| 00:25.43 | Bagginsww | ok has anyone read a good journal article defining stereotypes? |
| 00:26.00 | Bagginsww | I'm almost done with my paper but just need to pad it with a few more sources |
| 00:27.11 | Tekkub | pcj_2, http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Patch_2.3.0/Undocumented_changes&curid=131839&diff=977449&oldid=975692 |
| 00:27.15 | Tekkub | YOU ARE FIRED |
| 00:29.47 | pcj | I prefer it the other way |
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| 00:38.17 | Zeal | before i left it was disccused and aggreed that it should be the way pcj did it ;) |
| 00:38.27 | Zeal | that is, plurals are not part of the item name. |
| 00:40.03 | Zeal | any idea if the patch is on time? |
| 00:40.48 | Arcane_NB | the servers will go down at midnight PST, when they come back up is anyone's guess. My money is on Thursday around 4pm |
| 00:41.12 | Arcane_NB | and an eventual patch 2.3.7 |
| 00:41.51 | Zeal | lol |
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| 00:48.25 | Criss | any US wow players about? |
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| 00:49.43 | Arcane_NB | here Criss, what's up? |
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| 00:53.31 | Zeal | silly revert baggins :P |
| 00:56.52 | Arcane_NB | I guess Criss was just taking a pole |
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| 00:59.15 | Arcane_NB | connection issues pjc? |
| 00:59.31 | Arcane_NB | er pcj |
| 00:59.45 | Zeal | as always :p |
| 01:00.52 | Arcane_NB | his connection is as stable as a goblin after drinking a pallet of redbull |
| 01:04.06 | Bagginsww | btw zeal |
| 01:04.16 | Bagginsww | did you read my cleaned up work on appendix 3 |
| 01:04.35 | Bagginsww | I added additiional material that was referenced in other sources. |
| 01:04.39 | Bagginsww | as well |
| 01:04.52 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: [BUG] - Grobbulus's poison clouds invisible. - http://www.wowblues.com/us/bug-grobbuluss-poison-clouds-invisible-2855991687.html |
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| 01:09.31 | Zeal | cool |
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| 01:11.58 | Arcane_NB | I'm invisible, gassious, and deadly |
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| 01:18.58 | Arcane_NB | not again |
| 01:21.35 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Manual_of_Monsters#Appendix_Three:_Other_Monsters_in_Warcraft if anyone is curious |
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| 01:24.42 | Zeal | that quick in bed too adys? ;p |
| 01:25.02 | Adys|sleep | YOU JUST WOKE ME UP WTF |
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| 01:25.06 | Zeal | lol |
| 01:25.14 | Zeal | and even more lol |
| 01:25.18 | Adys|sleep | enjoy the abuse! |
| 01:25.21 | Adys|sleep | nn :) |
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| 01:25.41 | Zeal | :p |
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| 01:25.48 | Zeal | wtf.. |
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| 01:26.21 | Zeal | <3 chanserv.. |
| 01:26.29 | Adys|sleep | he loves you too im sure :P |
| 01:26.32 | Adys|sleep | (off for real now) |
| 01:26.39 | Zeal | nn |
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| 01:35.49 | Zeal | lol, i love it, my speakers are 2.1 and my headset is 5.1 pump my music through my speakers at the same time, leave the headset infront of me, and i essentially get 3.1 :p |
| 01:36.28 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Everything you wanted to know about Zul'Aman - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/12/wow-insider-patch-2-3-preview-zulaman/ |
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| 01:44.59 | Sandwichman2448 | Hello. |
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| 02:08.28 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Where will you log off tonight? - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/12/where-will-you-log-off-tonight/ |
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| 02:38.13 | Zeal | bah, notepad++ really isn't gunna cut it :/ |
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| 02:38.57 | Criss | any US player that would care to make a thread on the US forums for me? :x |
| 02:39.32 | Zeal | wow, an installer that tells me i don't have the required acces rights to install and should login on an admin account.. useless pos, i am the only user.. |
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| 02:43.05 | Zeal | apprently it was whinning because it couldn't set the file associations. installer fails. |
| 02:45.04 | Zeal | and it was a waste of time because the editor doesn't support unicode.. gg |
| 02:45.21 | Zeal | completely screwed up my file associations now.. |
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| 03:31.15 | Zeal | okay.. glad i didn't decide to pay for oxygen, it's crap. |
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| 03:33.41 | Bagginsww | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT8ezbwwBCY lol |
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| 03:40.55 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: Rare Elites - http://www.wowblues.com/us/rare-elites-2856222594.html |
| 03:42.40 | Sky2042 | thankyou kd3 |
| 03:45.40 | Bagginsww | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8Wjwzp4s-0 so wrong but so funny |
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| 03:50.19 | pcj | wth is http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#looking_for_a_new_Home |
| 03:50.31 | Sky2042 | some people just aren't very smart. that's all. |
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| 03:57.38 | Hobinheim | wow that video is awesome |
| 03:57.39 | Exarian | Are there a decent amount of people on? |
| 03:57.40 | Hobinheim | thx Bagginsww |
| 03:57.52 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 03:57.53 | Sky2042 | Exarian: hmm? |
| 03:58.26 | Exarian | I have an un-awnserable question, just looking for a wide field of feedback... wondering if there are enough people on to help me |
| 03:59.20 | Sky2042 | probably not, but we might just be able to answer it for you anyway :P |
| 04:00.33 | Exarian | Alright, I've played wow for a while now because a friend got me intreted. This person hates PvP, so is on a RP server, so of course I am too. Ive put some work into a 22 Druid, 20 Shaman, and 20 Warlock on this server... |
| 04:02.12 | Sky2042 | mmhmm |
| 04:02.45 | Exarian | Ive realy worked with my lock, and have (as I understand) high talioring for one of that level, and (also as Ive heard) a decent amount of money for a newbie; 80g overall, and my Lock has good gear (http://urltea.com/2304)... |
| 04:02.57 | Sky2042 | 80g at 20?... |
| 04:02.59 | Sky2042 | damn |
| 04:03.39 | Exarian | (Ive Worked the market.. learned from somone who made 4000g 1 day at level 40, but its a heavy RP server, so fancy clothing is realy overpriced ;) anyways.. continuing) |
| 04:03.40 | Hobinheim | lol wow |
| 04:03.45 | Hobinheim | i'm so gay for that comedian now... |
| 04:04.28 | Bagginsww | He's good ya |
| 04:04.36 | Bagginsww | there are some other links there for him |
| 04:04.45 | Bagginsww | too busy to listen to others though :p |
| 04:04.56 | Exarian | ... This person would realy hate it if I left, but I want to do PVP bad. Another thing that is holding me back is the fact that Ive got all this loot, and I'd have to start from scratch if I move to a PVP server... |
| 04:04.59 | Hobinheim | lol so many good punclines |
| 04:05.33 | Sky2042 | Exarian: so... what's the question? :P |
| 04:05.53 | Exarian | ... I'd play 2 characters, but 1 is hard enough for me, as I dont have internet at home (dont play often) and this person is always expecting me to keep up, just playing weekends and holidays... |
| 04:07.02 | Exarian | My question is: What is everyone's advice as to going PVP or staying... Concidering me starting from scratch again, going to a realm without friends, and starting as a Mage, a class I yet need experience with, but from what I read makes me want to play |
| 04:07.56 | Exarian | ... this friend is *kind of a* controll freak, but would be extremly upset if I left |
| 04:08.23 | Sky2042 | how old /are/ you, if you don't mind me asking? that would help me give you a decision. |
| 04:08.25 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Patch 2.3 is coming... are you prepared? - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/12/patch-2-3-is-coming-are-you-prepared/ |
| 04:09.07 | Exarian | but I'd be able to not have to worry about keeping up, and playing a class that isnt as enjoyable is I'd like, along with stupid professions |
| 04:09.15 | Sky2042 | hmm... |
| 04:09.23 | Exarian | I am 15, have a job, but yet to convice my dad to invest in DSL, even though I realy need it for school too |
| 04:09.46 | Sky2042 | ouch... um |
| 04:10.48 | Exarian | His fear is the fact that I'd be up all night playing WoW, cause thats what I do at friends... the reason I do that, is cause I play only on the weekends, and need too to keep up with my friend |
| 04:12.37 | Exarian | Advice, concerns, ideas... anything... |
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| 04:13.55 | Zeal | erm.. you wouldn't need to move server to do PvP, there's still arenas and bg on RP servers. PVP servers just means you can gank and be ganked, only difference as far as pvp goes. |
| 04:14.18 | Sky2042 | Exarian: i think, maybe leave the friend for another server (tell him which one, in case he wants to come). just tell him you won't be doing what he does |
| 04:14.33 | Sky2042 | if you wanna go at a snails pace to level 70, that's your perogative |
| 04:14.38 | Exarian | I want full fledged PvP, not whenever-i-want PvP; too unrealisitc |
| 04:14.53 | Zeal | so it's the world pvp you're after, kk. |
| 04:15.18 | Sky2042 | and don't, under any circumstances, continue to be up all night to play. |
| 04:15.36 | Sky2042 | real life and such aren't worth that commitment to a $15 a month video game |
| 04:15.50 | Exarian | Sky2042: thats like once a month, and its actualy proabably 9pm-1am |
| 04:16.01 | Sky2042 | ah |
| 04:16.50 | Sky2042 | well then, do what you want anyway. |
| 04:17.01 | Sky2042 | :P |
| 04:17.01 | Sky2042 | it's your 15 a month |
| 04:17.15 | Exarian | this person refuses PvP, and demands to pick out my professions based on what everyone else has; I will "loose all respect" if I dont take mining and talioring" because she has me feeding her engineering with my ores, and she also has enchanting |
| 04:17.31 | Exarian | So, your advice is leave, go PvP, and start over fresh? |
| 04:17.46 | Sky2042 | yup. have fun with the game. |
| 04:17.48 | Zeal | she sounds selfish :S |
| 04:17.51 | Sky2042 | she does |
| 04:19.19 | Zeal | if you don't have fun in wow, it get boring quick, so enjoy it whatever way suits you, screw everyone else. |
| 04:19.24 | Zeal | *gets |
| 04:19.37 | Exarian | I was a lock doing mining/smithing, and she was a hunter doing talioring/enchanting, to drop talioring at 40, but wanted me to wait untill then to pick it up; I ended up just taking talioing over smithing, and she didnt talk to me for a week, and I think is pissed to this day about it :P |
| 04:19.58 | Exarian | so I'll make friends! find a friendly guild! |
| 04:20.00 | Zeal | lol |
| 04:20.04 | Zeal | indeed |
| 04:20.35 | Sky2042 | yup. |
| 04:20.36 | kd3|still`lagged | lol |
| 04:20.36 | kd3|still`lagged | https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2856222641&sid=1 |
| 04:20.50 | Exarian | POLL: Horde or Ally? (Am ally, know the layout of the area, slightly intreted in Horde) |
| 04:22.56 | Zeal | both good imo |
| 04:23.16 | Zeal | i've mostly played horde. |
| 04:23.22 | Zeal | but i enjoyed alliance too. |
| 04:23.59 | Sky2042 | Exarian: i'd say horde. you have to deal with the barrens, but the people who make it through that are generally a bit more... intelligent. |
| 04:24.21 | Zeal | if you're looking for something new, go horde, if you want a quicker path to raiding because you know it better, go alliance i guess. |
| 04:24.31 | Zeal | rofl Sky2042 |
| 04:26.18 | Zeal | in time they all get out of the barrens ;) |
| 04:26.18 | Exarian | With ally I know the early instance, alot of the areas, how to get to the capitols, etc... I was thinking it might be better |
| 04:26.18 | Exarian | instances** |
| 04:26.18 | Exarian | anyone know if frosty mages are good for PVP? would think so with all the slowing and they have blink and stuff |
| 04:26.21 | Sky2042 | frost mages are the preferred spec for pvp |
| 04:26.49 | Exarian | I made a build |
| 04:27.02 | Exarian | want to check it over and give some tips? |
| 04:27.24 | Sky2042 | feel free to (i'm a mage ;) ) |
| 04:27.41 | Exarian | woot! |
| 04:27.53 | Exarian | give me a character link in the armory please |
| 04:28.13 | Sky2042 | my armory hasn't been active since it's conception a year ago |
| 04:28.15 | Exarian | and I guess Im split a little (http://urltea.com/230e) |
| 04:28.26 | Exarian | Isnt it automatic? |
| 04:28.46 | Sky2042 | after 30 days of inactivity, your profile and such is dropped from the armory |
| 04:28.56 | Exarian | ohhh |
| 04:29.03 | Exarian | you've been inactive? |
| 04:29.10 | Sky2042 | your char still exists, but all armory tells you is that your a class, level, and race |
| 04:29.14 | Exarian | but still hang around WOW IRC's |
| 04:29.22 | Sky2042 | ;) |
| 04:29.31 | Sky2042 | i've been with the game for 10 years. what can i do? |
| 04:29.46 | Exarian | alright... that was my build link back there... examine+disect |
| 04:30.03 | Zeal | "the game for 10 years"? :p |
| 04:30.11 | Zeal | *games - i guess |
| 04:30.15 | Sky2042 | "ew" |
| 04:30.57 | Exarian | I guess Im open for anyone to disect my build >>> http://urltea.com/230e |
| 04:31.30 | Sky2042 | first off, use http://www.wowhead.com/?talent |
| 04:31.32 | Sky2042 | :P |
| 04:31.49 | pcj | no, just link to your armory profile |
| 04:32.01 | Exarian | Its a pre-character build |
| 04:32.17 | Exarian | so its not on the armory |
| 04:32.25 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Updates for 2.3 already rolling in - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/12/updates-for-2-3-already-rolling-in/ |
| 04:33.24 | Exarian | Ok! Ok! http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oiME0oc0bZZbAMc0cxscq using Wowhead talent builder! |
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| 04:35.37 | Exarian | At first atempt I made an almost pure arcane mage... after looking thorough frost, looked like it might be more usefull for PvP |
| 04:37.58 | Sky2042 | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oi0Vc0bZZVVGcobxsiot |
| 04:38.07 | Sky2042 | that's cookie cutter, but much better than yours :P |
| 04:38.47 | Sky2042 | i'm fairly certain water elemental is > pom for the point of pvp, and so i went a bit deeper frost |
| 04:39.33 | Exarian | Well I didnt know if water elemental was worth investing that many points into frost |
| 04:40.08 | Sky2042 | it is :) |
| 04:44.25 | Exarian | Would it be a realy big problem to move one point from Empowere Frostbolt -to- Arcane fortitude? that extra armor would probably save me |
| 04:44.42 | Sky2042 | fort sucks |
| 04:44.57 | Sky2042 | it adds like, 300 armor, if that, and you shouldn't be hit by melee anyway |
| 04:45.54 | Exarian | I guess... I can always turn to Blink, sheeping, or ice barrier, or make sure im grouped during PVP |
| 04:46.52 | Exarian | I was reading that a way to piss people off during PVP is to jump, trun 180 in the air, blink |
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| 04:48.54 | Exarian | start with frost first so you can get the elemental asap? or grab all the arcane first? or what do you suguest? |
| 04:49.46 | Sky2042 | frost to level 30ish, arcane to 40ish, rest frost, rest arcane |
| 04:49.53 | Sky2042 | no |
| 04:50.00 | Sky2042 | just straight frost, i think |
| 04:50.04 | Sky2042 | then over to arcane |
| 04:50.07 | Exarian | alright |
| 04:50.32 | Sky2042 | focus on the elemental first, then fill in points. |
| 04:51.36 | Bagginsww | almost done with my research paper yey |
| 04:52.09 | Exarian | Human or Gnome? |
| 04:52.33 | Bagginsww | Hobbit! |
| 04:52.37 | Bagginsww | ;) |
| 04:52.43 | Exarian | or Draenei? |
| 04:52.55 | Exarian | Im guess ill do talioring/enchanting |
| 04:53.12 | Exarian | So the racial for profiessions dont bother me |
| 04:53.39 | Exarian | I have an obsession with getting a Dwarf mount, so the Human Diplomacy might be nice |
| 04:53.41 | Sky2042 | between human and gnome, i'd go gnome. between draenei and gnome, i can't say |
| 04:54.01 | Exarian | and the guidl has the least amount of Human mages! |
| 04:56.44 | Exarian | everyone died! |
| 04:59.23 | Exarian | Sky2042: Hello? |
| 04:59.27 | Sky2042 | mm? |
| 05:00.15 | Exarian | Is there an easier way to contact you for future reference? |
| 05:00.35 | Sky2042 | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Sky2042 |
| 05:01.20 | Exarian | wait.. whats that page about? |
| 05:04.28 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: 2.2 in review - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/12/2-2-in-review/ |
| 05:06.41 | dreamss | anyone knows if blizz planning to make web interface for guild bank? |
| 05:09.01 | Bagginsww | alright done with the paper. still need to fix the citation section, and show it to the prof for revision suggestions |
| 05:09.12 | Bagginsww | but I'm glad its almost odne heh |
| 05:10.38 | Bagginsww | It took me like 2 weeks to write it :p |
| 05:10.44 | Bagginsww | research material and all |
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| 05:36.26 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Don't turn in your quests! - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/13/dont-turn-in-your-quests/ |
| 05:40.14 | pcj | laate |
| 05:54.19 | [NewsBot] | BlizzPlanet: Guild Progression Slow? Don't Give Up Yet - http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=1830 |
| 06:03.02 | Zeal | of fu w3c! make me spend hours figuring out a simple issue with xsl that isn't well documented and utterly retarded >_< |
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| 06:06.13 | Zeal | for anyone who cares.. If you have a default namespace specified in your xml document, your have a specify a non-default namespace for it in the xslt and use that namespace prefix to refer to those elements in the default namespace of the xml file. |
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| 06:06.49 | Zeal | so instead of using a xpath such as /manga/series/title i would have to use /manga:manga/manga:series/manga:title -_- |
| 06:13.59 | Zeal | lol, and to make things worse, attributes don't follow that rule, they are all in the default namespace.. |
| 06:14.41 | Sky2042 | poor zeal. |
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| 06:14.53 | Zeal | i hate the w3c.. |
| 06:16.26 | Sky2042 | bastards. xhtml and css and all that hoo haa should be thrown down the drain, right?! |
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| 06:16.53 | pcj | silverlight imo |
| 06:17.33 | Zeal | no, should just let someone more competant take charge. |
| 06:18.16 | Mustafah | hi |
| 06:18.27 | Zeal | is it really any good pcj? never bothered to look |
| 06:18.37 | Zeal | hi Mustafah |
| 06:18.39 | pcj | meh not very widespread yet |
| 06:19.16 | Zeal | microsoft apparently use dyndns.. |
| 06:19.27 | pcj | ventrilo is updating to 3.0 wednesday |
| 06:19.45 | Zeal | fun |
| 06:20.21 | Zeal | wtb new ventrilo mix which installs in the correct locations so apps for vent and ts work fine : / |
| 06:23.09 | Zeal | looks a little too flash-like for my liking (sliverlight) will have to see. love that i got an error about microsoft's own site in silverlight :P |
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| 06:27.26 | Bagginsww | yay done with the citation page |
| 06:27.42 | Bagginsww | I have like 15 sources cited |
| 06:28.31 | Zeal | hehe |
| 06:29.53 | Zeal | i decided to abuse the <cite/> tag in my schema. never get's any use, and that's because the logic behind it is screwed up. isntead it's now used inside <blockquote/> so you can create quote blocks, with citations always at the bottom right of the block. |
| 06:31.11 | Bagginsww | make that 17 or 18 :p |
| 06:32.07 | Bagginsww | that's one set of work mostly out of the way. show it ot the prof tomorrow try to get it cleaned up by thurs when its due |
| 06:32.33 | Bagginsww | I have some free time now to work on my presentation in another class due next week :p |
| 06:32.50 | Bagginsww | now how to stretch it for 20 minutes :p |
| 06:33.17 | Bagginsww | I generally despise public speaking |
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| 06:42.39 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Zakolj#Laceration_of_culture_sections |
| 06:46.51 | Sky2042 | yeah... |
| 06:47.01 | Sky2042 | he was consolidating, but he didn't move the info over, did he? |
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| 06:49.54 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn|sleep! |
| 06:50.53 | Fisker-- | you cannot attack |
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| 07:05.34 | Zeal | bah, now a big fu to the MSXML parser.. ffs, support XSL 2.0 already, i want to tokenize stuff.. : / |
| 07:06.20 | Zeal | oh well, thankfully i implement xsl via php, so can use a different parser later on. |
| 07:08.10 | Bagginsww | some of the info was already on the pages sky |
| 07:08.15 | Bagginsww | on both pages |
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| 07:39.45 | Bagginsww | hmm interesting reference in Manual of Monsters |
| 07:40.00 | Bagginsww | doomgards are listed as being called tarshesite |
| 07:40.10 | Bagginsww | anyone know the reference? |
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| 07:53.23 | Kirkburn|sleep | Morning |
| 07:56.37 | Zeal | hey Kirkburn|sleep |
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| 08:00.25 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Tarshesite |
| 08:00.32 | Bagginsww | and no that's not from manual of monsters |
| 08:00.38 | Bagginsww | erm appendix 3 |
| 08:00.39 | Bagginsww | I mean |
| 08:04.36 | Zeal | cite? :P |
| 08:04.48 | Zeal | nv, i'm blind |
| 08:04.54 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: Jenkem originated in Africa - http://www.wowblues.com/us/jenkem-originated-in-africa-2855993040.html |
| 08:04.58 | Zeal | *nvm |
| 08:04.59 | Zeal | cool |
| 08:12.52 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: Dear blizzard - http://www.wowblues.com/us/dear-blizzard-2855993046.html |
| 08:16.52 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: @ Forum Mod whose name rhymes with cymbal. - http://www.wowblues.com/us/forum-mod-whose-name-rhymes-with-cymbal-2856012875.html |
| 08:18.31 | Bagginsww | kirkburn can I upload the original piece of artwork over that doomguard fanrecolor? |
| 08:18.50 | Bagginsww | or do I have to make them seperate pictures? |
| 08:18.58 | Kirkburn|sleep | Preferably separate |
| 08:19.08 | Kirkburn|sleep | There's no space limits for us |
| 08:19.51 | Bagginsww | I just don't liek the fact it uses the main doomguard slot :p |
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| 08:20.15 | Bagginsww | and it was another of those ones being headlines in a racebox :p |
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| 08:20.37 | Sky2042 | Bagginsww: block on http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Bjdmmiv plx |
| 08:20.53 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: What happened to the Rifle debate? - http://www.wowblues.com/us/what-happened-to-the-rifle-debate-2856202859.html |
| 08:21.42 | Bagginsww | oh ya zeal I discovered yet another race that's in appendix 3 that can be found outside of the appendix |
| 08:21.49 | Bagginsww | Nymph heh |
| 08:22.00 | Bagginsww | they were a race that showed up in a later book too |
| 08:22.04 | Bagginsww | book or 2 |
| 08:22.36 | Kirkburn|sleep | Here's something interesting - leaked requested fixes for Windows 7: http://www.neowin.net/images/uploaded/1798_early_feedback.png |
| 08:23.22 | Kirkburn|sleep | If they actually implement half that stuff, it shall be a happy day |
| 08:23.31 | Bagginsww | sky its a cmplete vandalism block? |
| 08:23.36 | Bagginsww | as in infinite? |
| 08:23.47 | Bagginsww | best I can tell all spam |
| 08:24.56 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: Timbal thank God you're here! - http://www.wowblues.com/us/timbal-thank-god-youre-here-2856142700.html |
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| 08:32.59 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: Pen0r? - http://www.wowblues.com/us/pen0r-2856222929.html |
| 08:33.00 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Sylvanas_Windrunner |
| 08:33.07 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Sylvanas_Windrunner#Too_many_pictures |
| 08:33.20 | Bagginsww | after cleaning it up a few weeks back people have added more pictures to the article again |
| 08:33.25 | Bagginsww | it looks pretty bad again |
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| 08:44.19 | Kirkburn|sleep | Wahey, I'm glad I didn't get a second copy of Vista Ultimate ... Stardock are going to do animated desktops for Home Premium too :) |
| 08:45.27 | Kalroth | .. |
| 08:45.50 | Kalroth | Let me guess, you play a night elf too?! |
| 08:46.41 | Kirkburn|sleep | http://www.istartedsomething.com/20071113/stardock-deskscapes-2/ |
| 08:47.09 | Kalroth | Make that a night elf hunter. |
| 08:48.02 | Kirkburn|sleep | I hardly think being an MS fanboy is going with the crowd :P |
| 08:48.28 | Bagginsww | your an ms fanboy? |
| 08:48.34 | Bagginsww | * you are |
| 08:48.50 | Kirkburn|sleep | People like to describe me as such |
| 08:48.54 | Kirkburn|sleep | ~emulate Kirkburn |
| 08:48.55 | infobot | Yes, Microsoft! Harder! |
| 08:48.59 | Kirkburn|sleep | ^ |
| 08:49.13 | Bagginsww | lol |
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| 08:51.29 | Soby | hey. |
| 08:51.36 | Soby | need a little help in something. |
| 08:52.31 | Kirkburn|sleep | Zune v2 is looking pretty cool, y'know |
| 08:52.32 | Kirkburn|sleep | Hey Soby |
| 08:52.44 | Soby | hi |
| 08:52.52 | Soby | i was thinking to play on retail. |
| 08:52.57 | Soby | what would i need? |
| 08:53.08 | Soby | do i just have to download the game and buy time to start |
| 08:53.19 | Soby | or i have to buy wow and tbc ? |
| 08:54.33 | Kirkburn|sleep | I don't know about buying online, might be possible |
| 08:54.56 | Kirkburn|sleep | I know you can get a boxset of WoW+TBC for $20 or something retail, comes with a free month of play |
| 08:55.36 | Soby | where? |
| 08:56.51 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: Salthem (CM) - http://www.wowblues.com/eu/salthem-cm-1610311144.html |
| 08:57.26 | Kirkburn|sleep | Soby, Amazon, most shops |
| 08:57.59 | Soby | hmm thanks |
| 08:58.02 | Zeal | hm.. come to think of it, why do we even buy the game? trial download locks you into trial mode only? :S |
| 08:58.05 | Soby | i'll see if i can find it |
| 08:58.25 | Kirkburn|sleep | Zeal, you need the a key to get past trial |
| 08:58.38 | Zeal | guessed as much, kk |
| 08:58.46 | Zeal | so we pay for the key, fair enough. |
| 08:58.47 | Kirkburn|sleep | Afaik, keys are only available in retail boxes, but I've not checked online |
| 08:59.06 | Zeal | tbh, give the game download for free. |
| 08:59.08 | Zeal | sub is enough. |
| 08:59.23 | Zeal | if you don't want all the retail materials and such ofc. |
| 08:59.40 | Zeal | manual, box, cd, case, etc. |
| 09:00.12 | Soby | how many accounts can be made with a key? |
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| 09:01.29 | Soby | umm?? |
| 09:03.42 | Soby | anyone? |
| 09:03.52 | Soby | i used to get help easy here lol. |
| 09:04.24 | Zeal | only one account |
| 09:04.28 | Zeal | multiple chars |
| 09:05.07 | Soby | i have a friend from whom i was tihnking of buying his key |
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| 09:05.23 | Soby | but an acount from that key, he has given it to his friend. |
| 09:05.31 | Zeal | don't beleive a key can be used once it's had an account actived with it. |
| 09:05.43 | Soby | does that turn his key useless? |
| 09:05.47 | Zeal | yes |
| 09:05.55 | Zeal | onyl his account is worth something |
| 09:06.04 | Soby | Darn. |
| 09:06.49 | Zeal | and the transfer of accounts is against blizzard's terms of use. |
| 09:06.49 | Soby | all those used games for sale? they're worthless too? |
| 09:06.49 | Zeal | just a heads up. |
| 09:06.49 | Zeal | used wow? definitely |
| 09:06.49 | Soby | amazons seems to be selling lots lately. |
| 09:06.58 | Soby | 17.99 for wow. |
| 09:07.05 | Soby | TBC excluded. |
| 09:07.37 | Soby | by the way who cares what blizzard thinks. many people are selling their accounts on ebay with 70 level chara's |
| 09:07.40 | Zeal | pretty much all games now, if someone has used the key, they are worthless to anyone else. that's why pretty much every store has a no-returns polcy on opened pc game packages, as is someone's opened it, they've probably used the key so they can't resale it. |
| 09:08.00 | Zeal | i care, but i'm just warning is all, do what you want. |
| 09:08.20 | Kirkburn|sleep | Note the topic "No trolling/acc trading/emu serv talks, thanks" |
| 09:08.34 | Zeal | never did read that thing ;) |
| 09:08.53 | Soby | same here.. but i never talked about trading it with someone here. lol. |
| 09:09.15 | Soby | it will be usefull if the person is giving the account with the game rite? |
| 09:09.28 | Soby | or if the account has expired and a new one has to be made with it |
| 09:10.14 | Zeal | accounts don't expire exactly, atleast they never release their associated cd key. they're jsut left inactive without a subscription. |
| 09:10.38 | Soby | oh. |
| 09:10.43 | Soby | thanks for info Zeal. |
| 09:10.50 | Soby | really appreciate the help |
| 09:10.55 | Zeal | np |
| 09:11.26 | Zeal | now for more ranting.. give xpath 2.0 support ms, i want to tokensize.. recursive templates don't cut it >_< |
| 09:11.44 | Zeal | *tokenize |
| 09:12.50 | Zeal | found a way to do it with recursive template calls, but clearly the author didn't realize it means the last token is never disaplyed. |
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| 09:19.23 | Kirkburn|sleep | *sigh* ... I don't quite understand how ""No acc trading talks" means "as long as you're not doing it with someone here, it's fine" :/ |
| 09:22.28 | Zeal | yeah |
| 09:22.31 | Zeal | rofl |
| 09:22.40 | Zeal | i didn't comment on that :p |
| 09:22.58 | Kirkburn|sleep | :) |
| 09:22.58 | Zeal | time for some math i think.. noooo |
| 09:23.03 | Kirkburn|sleep | yay |
| 09:24.36 | Zeal | noo.. this is lame. there's no sum or range functions, yet they'res lots of position stuff. why couldn't this be simple.. |
| 09:24.49 | Zeal | think i might be able to work round it : / |
| 09:28.29 | Kirkburn|sleep | hehe - http://xkcd.com/149/ |
| 09:30.02 | Zeal | i don't get it :( guessing it's something to do with sudo |
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| 09:30.23 | Kalroth | About sudo |
| 09:30.23 | Kalroth | Allows a user with proper permissions to execute a command as the superuser or other user. |
| 09:31.12 | Kalroth | (s)uper(u)ser (do) |
| 09:31.45 | Zeal | thought it might be something like that :p |
| 09:32.19 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Invisible_stalker |
| 09:32.22 | Bagginsww | ya that's weird |
| 09:32.24 | Bagginsww | very weird |
| 09:32.45 | Bagginsww | http://wow.allakhazam.com/search.html?q=invisible+stalker |
| 09:33.37 | Zeal | bah, this is doing my head. i need to convert and xml element containing 1,2,3-7,8,9 for example, to the corresponding chapter elements with the id's 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 |
| 09:33.43 | Zeal | *an xml |
| 09:34.34 | Zeal | proper tokenize functions are onyl avilable in xpath 2.0 and all i have to do it with is recursive template calls and substring functions : / |
| 09:34.54 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: [OOC] The Sha'tar Guild Register - Updated - http://www.wowblues.com/eu/ooc-the-shatar-guild-register-updated-941154601.html |
| 09:36.57 | Zeal | oh, and i forgot to mention, you can never change the value of a variable, only definie new ones.. |
| 09:46.44 | Zeal | dammit, hard thinking how to go about it.. Think i can check for a range, remove all listed chapters, expand the range into a list, add back in the other chapters, then tokensize that new string, then lookup the ids for output.. i think : / |
| 09:54.16 | Zeal | scratch that, better idea. attempt to tokenize list, when the next token seperator is a range instead of list seperator, start expanding until i reach the end of the range while tokenizing, then continue to tokenize the rest of the list. hopefully that works, seems more efficient. |
| 09:54.20 | [NewsBot] | BlizzPlanet: Akama & Seer Olum - Secret Compromised - http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=1831 |
| 09:59.54 | Zeal | ... there's no string position -_- |
| 10:00.56 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: Auchindoun Raid Progression - http://www.wowblues.com/eu/auchindoun-raid-progression-285041646.html |
| 10:01.09 | Zeal | ok.. i can get round that without before and after functions.. |
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| 10:22.32 | Kirkburn|sleep | omg, that was an awesome episode of Family Guy |
| 10:26.15 | Zeal | Family Guy fails |
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| 10:28.11 | mxs | 2.3.0 Patch files have hit the Blizzard distribution system :-) |
| 10:28.48 | Kirkburn|sleep | Cripes - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Writers_Guild_of_America_Strike#Effect_on_shows |
| 10:29.11 | Kirkburn|sleep | mxs, cool |
| 10:31.01 | mxs | indeed :) Mirrored it and am now reading the patchnote diff ... :) |
| 10:32.12 | Kirkburn|sleep | cool |
| 10:32.19 | Kirkburn|sleep | Found much? |
| 10:32.42 | Kirkburn|sleep | Anything you do find, [[Patch 2.3.0]] ftw :) |
| 10:32.50 | mxs | for one thing, they renamed it to The Gods of Zul'Aman : http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/notes/enUS/7561?diff=1 :)= |
| 10:33.10 | mxs | not sure how current the wowwiki page is w.r.t. the PTR forum patchnotes |
| 10:33.23 | mxs | Diff is from last released patch.html with one of the earlier PTRs |
| 10:33.59 | Kirkburn|sleep | Aye, that's the name on http://www.wowwiki.com/2.3.0 |
| 10:34.26 | mxs | yeah, but that article does not mirror the patchnotes exactly :) |
| 10:34.30 | Kirkburn|sleep | Apparently the name appeared somewhere on the 2nd, but most completely missed it until the Blizzard Insider email |
| 10:34.46 | Kirkburn|sleep | It should be reasonably up to date |
| 10:34.50 | mxs | not really |
| 10:34.57 | mxs | compare the first paragraph of adlovemore ] [ ecstasia ] [ KuinKala ] [ Olison ] [ WyriHaximus2nd] |
| 10:35.00 | mxs | err |
| 10:35.15 | mxs | http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/notes/enUS/7561?diff=1 to the 2.3.0 page ;) |
| 10:35.21 | mxs | sorry, I hate cut'n'paste going wrong |
| 10:35.22 | WyriHaximus | huh? |
| 10:35.25 | WyriHaximus | lol :) |
| 10:35.38 | mxs | WyriHaximus: hah! :P |
| 10:36.45 | Kirkburn|sleep | mxs, added the flavour text :) |
| 10:37.08 | mxs | hehe :) |
| 10:37.57 | Kirkburn|sleep | Oh? It's a dual core patch too?! Awesome! |
| 10:38.13 | mxs | might just be a marketing stunt to mention Intel |
| 10:38.19 | WyriHaximus | hmmm? what kind of effect does it on the game? |
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| 10:42.15 | Kirkburn|sleep | "The latest patch of World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade shows a benefit on today's popular multicore processors like the Intel(r) Core(tm)2 Duo processor family. The enhanced patch has demonstrated higher frame rates by spreading the work across both processor cores." |
| 10:42.31 | Kirkburn|sleep | General speed up, hopefully |
| 10:42.44 | WyriHaximus | Sounds great :) |
| 10:42.49 | Kirkburn|sleep | Better for multi-tasking too, possibly |
| 10:43.19 | mxs | how could it possibly be better for multitasking ? |
| 10:43.24 | Kirkburn|sleep | Not sure how they'd do it, but possibly offloading sound stuff to the other core |
| 10:43.33 | mxs | instead of a full core for other processes, wow will now use both of em |
| 10:43.55 | Kirkburn|sleep | mxs, true |
| 10:44.34 | Kirkburn|sleep | I'm not certain how exactly OS' deal with it, but I would think it would allow for better load balancing |
| 10:44.42 | Zeal | XSL processor stack has overflows are fun :P |
| 10:44.59 | Kirkburn|sleep | e.g. if WoW was 100% on one core, that could be detrimental to the entire PC |
| 10:45.15 | mxs | Kirkburn|sleep: not really. A decent OS would then use the other core for everything else |
| 10:45.16 | Kirkburn|sleep | Whereas if it was 80% and 20%, that may be beneficial |
| 10:45.22 | mxs | and the windows scheduler ain't all that bad |
| 10:45.31 | Kirkburn|sleep | Fair enough :) |
| 10:45.38 | Kirkburn|sleep | I bow to your better knowledge :P |
| 10:46.01 | mxs | 80%/20% might seem sensible, but it does impose a rather large burden on WoW to synchronize the two |
| 10:46.26 | mxs | but if you really want WoW to work on a single core, you can just force it to use just one :> |
| 10:46.34 | Zeal | well nice to know they've moved to some async threads to make use of the cores. |
| 10:47.11 | mxs | Zeal: yeah, but how many can that possibly be ? Sound processing is the only thing that really comes to mind, everything else needs close synchronization |
| 10:47.23 | Zeal | yeah, i know |
| 10:47.29 | Zeal | not much, but at least they're trying. |
| 10:47.33 | mxs | you could probably put the lua vm on another core |
| 10:48.04 | Kirkburn|sleep | Indeed |
| 10:48.06 | Zeal | i'm still single core'd myself, so i'm not fussed :P |
| 10:50.27 | Kirkburn|sleep | I'm pretty impressed by my Core 2 Duo atm ... can't imagine WoW using up enough to require load balancing anyway :P |
| 10:51.13 | Zeal | wtb amd back on top again.. |
| 10:51.21 | mxs | yeah, the only processing power increase wow would benefit from greatly would be serverside during big events |
| 10:51.37 | Zeal | lol |
| 10:52.06 | mxs | though I did Eranikus 2 days ago and that went over a LOT better than last time :> |
| 10:52.15 | Kirkburn|sleep | woot |
| 10:52.41 | mxs | tempted to transfer to an AQ-opening server on WOTLK release day |
| 10:52.51 | mxs | and then back once at 80 and ready for raiding :> |
| 10:53.08 | Kirkburn|sleep | I find it amazing that on my old PC running videos would take about 40-50% of the CPU, and now it barely breaks 5% |
| 10:53.33 | mxs | video acceleration helps a lot |
| 10:54.53 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: Balancing balancing balancing - http://www.wowblues.com/eu/balancing-balancing-balancing-1598209871.html |
| 10:55.23 | Zeal | i hope they never open another server ever again. |
| 11:03.43 | Mustafah | 2.3 today? |
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| 11:12.05 | mxs | Mustafah: yes. |
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| 11:15.02 | Mustafah | ty |
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| 11:15.20 | Mustafah | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php#post_s3weapon |
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| 11:19.35 | Zeal | bugger me, i think i finally got this. |
| 11:20.09 | Zeal | recursive trees of ifs are nasty, but then xsl isn't doesn't have much else to go on :/ |
| 11:28.16 | Zeal | not even else's have to use negative if's. : / |
| 11:32.53 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: The Ancient recruit! 27/11/2007 - http://www.wowblues.com/eu/the-ancient-recruit-27112007-1597899949.html |
| 11:37.52 | Zeal | yay! did it |
| 11:38.03 | Zeal | now to lookup from the chapter id's |
| 11:49.01 | Zeal | anyone tried playing that ^ on gh3 yet? |
| 12:04.21 | Kirkburn|sleep | oh god, DragonForce |
| 12:04.33 | Kirkburn|sleep | My housemate keeps inflicting that on me |
| 12:07.13 | Kirkburn | Well, it's okay up to a limit |
| 12:07.28 | Kirkburn | When you're cooking, perhaps |
| 12:07.37 | Zeal | lol |
| 12:09.51 | Zeal | almost done with this for day. just need to figure out why i can't select the chapters for some odd reason :S |
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| 12:40.29 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Patch 2.3 on WoW Insider - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/13/patch-2-3-on-wow-insider/ |
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| 13:16.50 | Zeal | crap! i just accidently saved over the css for my portfolio, and it hasn't been updated online for about a week >_<;;; |
| 13:16.53 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: Warcraft Weekly - http://www.wowblues.com/eu/warcraft-weekly-15732190.html |
| 13:17.14 | winkiller | l2svn |
| 13:17.32 | Zeal | svn nothing but a pain in the ass and waste of system resources. |
| 13:17.40 | Zeal | *is |
| 13:17.51 | Zeal | i was just completely nub is all |
| 13:18.45 | winkiller | lol |
| 13:18.49 | winkiller | what resources? :P |
| 13:19.49 | Zeal | mine |
| 13:20.56 | Kirkburn | Zeal has a lot of irrational hatred |
| 13:21.41 | Kirkburn | Given enough time, he'll likely complain about the rules of algebra :) |
| 13:22.04 | Zeal | my time, my brain cells, my cpu time, my hdd space, my navigation time, my configuration time, my having to check in and out all the time time.. and with all that, it onyl helped me in once case, once again, cos i was nub and screwed up |
| 13:22.32 | Zeal | there's better svn-like propriety software which is easier to use and more intuitive. |
| 13:22.51 | Zeal | plus works with software i give a damn about. |
| 13:23.12 | Zeal | onyl realy i had svan before, is because i forced into it by a dev when we collaborated on a ruby on rails site. |
| 13:23.16 | Zeal | *svan |
| 13:23.25 | Zeal | *reason i |
| 13:23.33 | Zeal | *i was forced |
| 13:23.35 | Zeal | there.. |
| 13:23.44 | Zeal | hopefully less irrational now.. |
| 13:23.56 | Zeal | i hate math, so i won't go there kirkburn |
| 13:24.08 | Kirkburn | Maths, dammit |
| 13:24.11 | Zeal | but i'm happy to bitch about the english language ;) |
| 13:24.17 | Kirkburn | Don't you go over to their side |
| 13:24.41 | Zeal | lol |
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| 13:25.15 | Zeal | i'm not gunna touch my portfolio till tomorrow.. i don't want to guess at how much work i'm going to have to do to fix it all.. |
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| 13:30.08 | Zeal | http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/manga/xml/omg.xml |
| 13:30.12 | Zeal | will do for today : / |
| 13:30.33 | Zeal | dunno why the alt language lists are refusing to display inline.. |
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| 13:31.49 | Zeal | i'm off for a bit, bbl |
| 13:33.10 | winkiller | lol |
| 13:36.29 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: /silly: Can't see the forest for the trees - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/13/silly-cant-see-the-forest-for-the-trees/ |
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| 14:08.31 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Blizzard plans soloing improvements for Protection Warriors and Paladins - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/13/blizzard-plans-soloing-improvements-for-protection-warriors-and/ |
| 14:13.36 | pcj | oold |
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| 14:20.34 | pcj | !wwstats |
| 14:21.15 | pcj | !jobqueue |
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| 14:28.05 | pcj | !wwstats |
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| 14:28.42 | Arcane_NB | yeay, all the realms are down |
| 14:29.03 | [NewsBot] | New stats available for #wowwiki (at pcj's request)! Check out the stats at http://www.bxd.dk/irc/freenode/wowwiki.html |
| 14:29.17 | Kirkburn | Arcane_NB, yay! |
| 14:29.37 | pcj | well part 3 wouldn't download automatically ._. |
| 14:30.08 | Arcane_NB | I wonder what happened on the 29th |
| 14:30.44 | Kirkburn | Good question |
| 14:30.46 | Mustafah | i got that too |
| 14:31.52 | Arcane_NB | estimated download time of the patch: 85 minutes |
| 14:36.20 | Mustafah | ty |
| 14:38.51 | kd3|still`lagged | ah, lol. they botched the official patch notes |
| 14:38.58 | kd3|still`lagged | druids get ignite now. ;) |
| 14:43.13 | Kirkburn | lol |
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| 14:43.45 | pcj | omg druids were already op |
| 14:43.55 | Michelle_ | wow thers life in here |
| 14:44.15 | Michelle_ | i got a question regarding macros, can soemoen tell me if im in teh right place |
| 14:44.27 | WyriHaximus | Isn't there allways but just sleeping? |
| 14:44.36 | kd3|still`lagged | in here if it's simple or #wowi-lounge (as per the /topic) |
| 14:44.55 | WyriHaximus | ah :) |
| 14:44.56 | Michelle_ | hwo bout i explane my question first then you can direct me |
| 14:45.04 | Michelle_ | what is the new /attack command |
| 14:45.12 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.18 | Michelle_ | it hasnt been workign since 2.2.3 |
| 14:45.24 | Michelle_ | thanks |
| 14:45.28 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.30 | Michelle_ | so if i put that in my huntters macro |
| 14:45.37 | Michelle_ | that will start teh gernal attack |
| 14:45.39 | kd3 | ya |
| 14:45.40 | Michelle_ | and nto jsut autoshoot |
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| 14:46.01 | kd3 | as long as you've got that option checked in interface options |
| 14:46.17 | Michelle_ | kay thaks |
| 14:46.22 | Michelle_ | i would hug you |
| 14:46.27 | Michelle_ | nut my modem doesnt liek to be hugged |
| 14:46.29 | Michelle_ | but |
| 14:46.49 | Michelle_ | toddles |
| 14:46.55 | WyriHaximus | Try handshaking ;) |
| 14:47.00 | WyriHaximus | Ow dang to late :( |
| 14:47.14 | Kirkburn | Good effort anyway :P |
| 14:47.36 | WyriHaximus | ^^ |
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| 14:49.19 | Michelle_ | is it alright i f i paste a string of lines |
| 14:49.25 | Mustafah | 0_o |
| 14:49.34 | Michelle_ | dotn lookat me liek that |
| 14:49.40 | Michelle_ | wait untill im dressed |
| 14:49.42 | Mustafah | :< |
| 14:49.45 | kd3 | paste them at http://wowi.pastey.net and then give us the link it gives you |
| 14:49.56 | Michelle_ | what if i wisper it to you private channel |
| 14:50.01 | WyriHaximus | Michelle_, next time try handshaking instead of hugging, your modem wil love it ;). |
| 14:50.04 | Michelle_ | i want to make sure my macro works |
| 14:50.10 | Michelle_ | nto really |
| 14:50.15 | Michelle_ | i took teh casign off |
| 14:50.19 | Michelle_ | exposed circutry |
| 14:50.34 | Michelle_ | incudign the 120 volt ac adater onboard |
| 14:50.44 | pcj | that wasn't very smart |
| 14:50.51 | WyriHaximus | rofl, better not trip and spil water over it 0_o |
| 14:51.05 | Michelle_ | cant, its suspended in a multimount custom case hangign forn teh ceiling |
| 14:51.14 | Mustafah | lol |
| 14:51.30 | WyriHaximus | Whats on the other side of the ceiling? :P |
| 14:52.13 | Michelle_ | the first floor |
| 14:52.16 | Michelle_ | and my pets |
| 14:52.31 | WyriHaximus | hmmmm |
| 14:52.55 | Michelle_ | im trying to update the usful macros for hunters |
| 14:53.07 | Michelle_ | inparticuelr the one buttion masher for petattack |
| 14:53.37 | Michelle_ | pet attack, then hunters mark+attack (based on range) |
| 14:53.57 | Michelle_ | and i need a second openion to makesure i got it right as my relm is currently offline |
| 14:53.59 | Arcane_NB | I'm just glad that I'll be able to dump my tracking cycle macro |
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| 14:54.33 | pcj | well i'd wait until your realm comes back up |
| 14:54.53 | Polarina | Are the US realms down? |
| 14:54.58 | pcj | yes |
| 14:55.01 | pcj | patch 2.3 |
| 14:55.12 | Polarina | We in Europe have both live realms and PTRs up and running. :D |
| 14:55.24 | pcj | and you also have to wait another day for 2.3 |
| 14:55.36 | Polarina | But we have PTRs. |
| 14:55.48 | pcj | So? |
| 14:56.02 | Polarina | Nothing. :P |
| 14:56.18 | WyriHaximus | I rather see US go first and then us tbh, I can wait a day for new content :). |
| 14:56.30 | Polarina | But does anyone here know when the US Armoury pages will syncronise the servers with 2.3 item data? |
| 14:56.32 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Live patch notes for 2.3 - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/13/patch-2-3-live-patch-notes/ |
| 14:56.54 | Kirkburn | Polarina, probably being done now |
| 14:57.14 | Michelle_ | nwo all i have to do is wait fo rthem to make teh game quad core compatible |
| 14:57.23 | Michelle_ | glad they got the dual core goign though |
| 14:57.24 | Polarina | Kirkburn: :D |
| 14:58.04 | kd3 | if it's dual core, it's quad core, since it's multi-threaded |
| 14:58.13 | kd3 | the ptr was driving all four cores for me |
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| 14:58.41 | Michelle_ | be nice to also have soem soret of fuctionality for thsoe who have extended desktops |
| 14:58.59 | Michelle_ | liek a not-so-mini, minimap |
| 14:59.10 | WyriHaximus | Michelle_, dual or triplehead? |
| 14:59.19 | Michelle_ | i have a quad core |
| 14:59.29 | Michelle_ | or you eman my extended eskrtop |
| 14:59.32 | Michelle_ | dual screen |
| 14:59.36 | WyriHaximus | yeah :) |
| 14:59.40 | Kirkburn | kd3, oh? Cool |
| 14:59.54 | Michelle_ | i knwo theres a game that does supoert dual screen |
| 15:00.00 | Michelle_ | puts a radar on teh secondary |
| 15:00.02 | WyriHaximus | some RTS one |
| 15:00.04 | Kirkburn | kd3, did you see how much it was using each core though? |
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| 15:00.12 | kd3 | pretty evenly as far as I could tell |
| 15:00.20 | Michelle_ | for me, my maximum core utulisation was 25% |
| 15:00.28 | winkiller | my second screen is not for the game |
| 15:00.31 | Michelle_ | but i wanted atleast 80% each core |
| 15:00.33 | Kirkburn | kd3, wow ... I wonder how they did that |
| 15:00.36 | winkiller | but to entertain me whule I wait |
| 15:00.46 | Michelle_ | well oen thign i like abotu wow and duel screen |
| 15:00.56 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: [info] marksman shot rotation - http://www.wowblues.com/eu/info-marksman-shot-rotation-1153076104.html |
| 15:00.58 | Michelle_ | i can watch my dvd's whiel i play wow |
| 15:00.58 | WyriHaximus | It's to big :P |
| 15:01.00 | WyriHaximus | *so |
| 15:01.05 | WyriHaximus | or that :) |
| 15:01.12 | Kirkburn | To balance across several cores like that is a fairly major project afaik |
| 15:01.29 | Kirkburn | I thought WoW can do dual/triple/etc screen |
| 15:01.29 | pcj | yeah well what do you know |
| 15:01.50 | Kirkburn | By which I mean, I *know* WoW can do that |
| 15:01.57 | WyriHaximus | Kirkburn, ofc but it doesn't use it for anything special ;). |
| 15:02.00 | winkiller | wow isn't so cpu intense anyway |
| 15:02.36 | WyriHaximus | As Michelle_ a map on 1 and the game on the seccond or maybe a raid overview on the seccond |
| 15:02.49 | kd3 | you can do that in wow, it just takes some hackery |
| 15:02.53 | Polarina | "The ogres in the barrier hills are rumored to have a pattern for a 24 slot bag to hold leatherworking supplies." |
| 15:02.59 | Kirkburn | WyriHaximus, it's more about the architecture - splitting threads enough to go across several cores properly isn't easy |
| 15:03.33 | WyriHaximus | true true, would be very nice tbh :) |
| 15:04.49 | Kirkburn | Michelle_, this *may* help you http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12052602&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 15:04.56 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: Additional 2.3 Aimed Shot Change - http://www.wowblues.com/eu/additional-23-aimed-shot-change-1610521315.html |
| 15:07.03 | pcj | ...wow what a helpful blue post |
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| 15:21.55 | pcj | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=943#comic |
| 15:24.18 | kd3 | [[Patch 2.3.0]] should now be word-for-word equal with the patch notes distributed to the clients |
| 15:24.19 | [NewsBot] | kd3 meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.3.0 |
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| 16:13.20 | Kirkburn | kd3, nice work :) |
| 16:14.03 | zeal | ffs.. why in this day and age do banks still rely on filling out forms.. |
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| 16:14.49 | Polarina | I optimised the GetSellValue example code at http://www.wowwiki.com/GetSellValue - Give some feedbacks please. :) |
| 16:15.29 | Zeal | too tried to read code in a language i've not touched in months :x |
| 16:17.20 | Polarina | Zeal: This is a good time to do so. :) |
| 16:17.27 | Zeal | noo |
| 16:17.36 | Zeal | my head is in xml land atm |
| 16:17.49 | Polarina | Haha... |
| 16:17.58 | Zeal | that and bitching about bank standards.. |
| 16:18.33 | dreamss | my buddy is an admin at a bank, i hear his nightmare stories all the time |
| 16:18.48 | Zeal | why the hell is an international bank transfer fee a fixed one, not percentage : / made me realize how much online banking via payal and such pwns.. |
| 16:19.27 | Zeal | i'm going to be making 2 tranfers around 100 and the fee is 26.. |
| 16:19.51 | pcj | if it's a fixed fee you should lump as many transfers together |
| 16:20.07 | Zeal | i know, but it's a depost and a second payment when done. |
| 16:20.13 | Zeal | so, i can't |
| 16:20.34 | Zeal | unless i wanna increase the risk of getting scamed, lol. |
| 16:20.48 | Zeal | "here you go, here's the full payment, do what you like" :p |
| 16:20.55 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: [PvE Progress] AQ40, Naxxramas & Legendaries. - http://www.wowblues.com/eu/pve-progress-aq40-naxxramas-amp-legendaries-72967383.html |
| 16:21.28 | Zeal | i blame the company for not having paypal/google checkout though tbh. |
| 16:21.33 | Zeal | so much easier |
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| 16:22.28 | [NewsBot] | MMO Champion: Error reading source feed. - http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?type=rss;action=.xml;board=2.0;sa=news; |
| 16:22.55 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: Darkrider is back and modding - http://www.wowblues.com/eu/darkrider-is-back-and-modding-1571617181.html |
| 16:23.54 | Kirkburn | So much to delete >_< |
| 16:25.01 | Hobinheim|work | Kirkburn, delete what? |
| 16:25.06 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Hobinheim|work] by ChanServ |
| 16:25.19 | Zeal | gotta love people who answer phones in there pocket/don't hang up :P |
| 16:25.28 | Zeal | *their |
| 16:27.18 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim|work, sd stuff |
| 16:27.38 | Kirkburn | guild redirects (though those don't bother me much), and a whole lot of deprecated and unused stuff |
| 16:28.11 | Zeal | {{sd}} [[User:Kirkburn]] :P |
| 16:28.12 | [NewsBot] | Zeal meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:sd |
| 16:28.55 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: Not quite 61 warrior with no epics not LFG - http://www.wowblues.com/eu/not-quite-61-warrior-with-no-epics-not-lfg-1598259901.html |
| 16:30.56 | Kirkburn | Zeal, er ... yes? |
| 16:31.04 | Zeal | lol |
| 16:34.36 | Zeal | how much do paypal take again, it's like 7% or something right? |
| 16:35.30 | Zeal | nvm, found out. 3.4% + 20p |
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| 16:39.44 | Arcane_NB | that's interesting. Anyone know how many seperate dowloads this patch is broken up into? |
| 16:41.11 | pcj | 3 |
| 16:42.51 | Zeal | :o |
| 16:42.58 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: Just wonder why - http://www.wowblues.com/eu/just-wonder-why-1597900150.html |
| 16:43.04 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: PvE -> PvP Transfer - http://www.wowblues.com/eu/pve-gt-pvp-transfer-65896780.html |
| 16:43.38 | Zeal | gogobgdler |
| 16:44.56 | Zeal | anyways, gunna go eat and watch tv. then sleep. nn all |
| 16:46.12 | Kirkburn | night |
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| 16:50.18 | pcj | ~seen kaso |
| 16:50.23 | infobot | kaso is currently on #wowi-lounge (1h 52m 4s) #wowhead (1h 52m 4s) #wowwiki (1h 52m 4s), last said: 'does it still occour with no addons enabled ?'. |
| 16:50.55 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: The Grey Twilight, we are recruiting - http://www.wowblues.com/eu/the-grey-twilight-we-are-recruiting-1153148933.html |
| 16:50.55 | Kaso|iPod | helllo? |
| 16:51.55 | Kirkburn | Bloodu iPod users |
| 16:51.58 | Kirkburn | *bloody |
| 16:52.08 | Kaso|iPod | hehe |
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| 16:52.30 | Kaso|iPod | <3 my touch |
| 16:53.06 | Kirkburn | o_O |
| 16:53.21 | Arcane_NB | I <3 my 40 gig iPod |
| 16:53.31 | Kirkburn | kaso, isn't that for others to decide? :P |
| 16:53.43 | Kirkburn | Zen Vision:M ftw |
| 16:53.52 | Kaso|iPod | haha |
| 16:53.59 | Kirkburn | Actually I want a Zune 2, but they're not around over here yet :( |
| 16:54.07 | Kaso|iPod | iPod touch my friend |
| 16:54.16 | Kirkburn | Now you're giving it commands? |
| 16:54.25 | Kaso|iPod | I'm chatting on it Aatm |
| 16:54.25 | Kirkburn | You sick, twisted man |
| 16:54.44 | Kaso | >.< |
| 16:54.53 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 16:54.57 | Kaso | slightly small keyboard though |
| 16:55.03 | Kirkburn | no really |
| 16:55.37 | Kirkburn | Heh, Kaso is on resnet13, and Kaso|iPod is on resnet14 |
| 16:56.01 | Kaso | load ballanced nat servers! |
| 16:56.07 | kd3 | hax |
| 16:56.22 | Kirkburn | I miss resnet |
| 16:56.32 | Kirkburn | Well, I miss DC++ at least |
| 16:57.22 | Kaso|iPod | you guys ran local dc++ servers |
| 16:58.28 | Kaso | that'd be a good way to get your connection blocked by ISS here |
| 17:03.48 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 17:03.56 | Kirkburn | We, er ... negotiated with them |
| 17:04.31 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: WoW Moviewatch: Zul'Aman First Look - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/13/wow-moviewatch-zulaman-first-look/ |
| 17:04.36 | kd3 | eesh, I fear the foxbot queue |
| 17:04.47 | kd3 | "negotiating" with the ITS guys is a great way to get more bandwidth. >.>; |
| 17:04.55 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: Wow-related baby names? - http://www.wowblues.com/us/wowrelated-baby-names-2856142991.html |
| 17:05.28 | Kirkburn | IS were annoyed by receiving the legal letters, but at the same time, didn't really want to stop it (nor really could easily). Their main problem was how much we were using the main trunk - which we solved by having separate hubs on either end |
| 17:06.37 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kaso/Random_Suffix_Items is all blue now :) |
| 17:06.38 | Kirkburn | Eventually it got shut down after someone put up an explicit advert for it in the Student paper. I mean, for goodness sake :/ Made a private hub after that :P |
| 17:06.51 | foxlit | Hm |
| 17:07.52 | kd3 | ahaha, "head over to our friends at WoW Wiki to peruse the history there." |
| 17:08.05 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2856142991&postId=29491496912&sid=1#49 |
| 17:09.01 | foxlit | "Vael"! |
| 17:09.15 | foxlit | Or Vaelan, few people will bother! |
| 17:09.25 | foxlit | So did 2.3 hit the US armory yet? |
| 17:09.34 | Kirkburn | Neth is our Blizz contact :) |
| 17:09.52 | kd3 | lol, I was thinking "wow, she capitalized the name properly" |
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| 17:10.56 | Kirkburn | Dunno why people insist on separating WoW and Wiki though, it's never written like that anywhere on the site |
| 17:10.56 | pcj | Doesn't look like it foxlit |
| 17:10.56 | Hobinheim|work | Kirkburn, do you have experiences with wikis no mediawiki? |
| 17:10.58 | Hobinheim|work | i'm starting to think all this wowwiki experience is clouding my judgement |
| 17:11.01 | Hobinheim|work | in evaluating other wikis for enterprise |
| 17:11.15 | Kirkburn | I don't, but wikipedia has a good run down |
| 17:11.28 | Hobinheim|work | i like mediawiki. a lot. :) |
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| 17:12.40 | Kaso | there used to a program called lusernet which was used here for p2p type stuff, but the iss guys locked down the network so much its nearly useless, so now some of my fellow comp sci students have been talking about a very cool DHT type p2p program designed around decenteralisation and anonymity, which would be cool |
| 17:12.51 | Kirkburn | :O |
| 17:13.26 | pcj | isn't the whole idea of p2p based on decentralization |
| 17:13.33 | foxlit | No |
| 17:13.43 | foxlit | Well, implementations aren't. |
| 17:13.51 | Kaso | they require centeralised servers to keep host lists |
| 17:14.18 | Kirkburn | e.g. Bittorrent needs trackers |
| 17:14.28 | pcj | so how would a decentralized p2p program work |
| 17:14.41 | Kirkburn | Demonoid go boom, half the world's trackers disappear :P |
| 17:15.02 | Kirkburn | Which, coincidentally is what happened |
| 17:15.16 | Kaso | mixture of broadcast within subnets and brute force scanning for hosts between subnet bubbles |
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| 17:17.38 | Kaso | its not particually efficent during the network build-up stages, but once it was established it'd work well and it'd be hard to lock out |
| 17:19.23 | foxlit | Wikipedia DHT article doesn't answer a lot of questions :/ |
| 17:20.21 | Fisker- | what do you need to know? |
| 17:23.12 | foxlit | How do you initially find a DHT node? |
| 17:23.29 | foxlit | if none are specified and there isn't one you can multicast to |
| 17:23.35 | Fisker- | you don't as far as i know |
| 17:23.42 | Kaso | Well thats where the hackyness comes in |
| 17:23.51 | Fisker- | Well a DHT node i believe also have information about other dht nodes |
| 17:24.11 | Fisker- | and programs come "pre-installed" with dht nodes |
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| 17:25.34 | Fisker- | atleast that's how i've understood it |
| 17:25.34 | foxlit | Fisker-: that merely postpones the problem |
| 17:25.44 | Kaso | on our network there is only like 20,000 possible ips so if you cant find another node by broadcast then you in a semi-smart semi-brute forceish manner echo all the other hosts, stopping when you find one |
| 17:26.19 | Kaso | Then you and the found host form a mini-network who have two seperate broadcast areas. |
| 17:26.28 | foxlit | You can act as a DHT node if you want to, but you still need to know where at least some other nodes are to do anything |
| 17:26.49 | foxlit | You could bundle information about DHT over other, more centralized protocols, but that spoils the elegance of the whole thing |
| 17:26.51 | Fisker- | yes but as far as i know the dht trackers work together |
| 17:26.52 | Kaso | the first few hosts are horribly ineffiecent, but after a handful join the it can mostly be done by broadcast |
| 17:27.07 | Fisker- | and the dht trackers also broadcast any dht additions |
| 17:28.01 | foxlit | Kaso: so only localized networks exist, assuming no other ways of propagating information about who wants in? |
| 17:29.11 | Kaso | hmm, the subnets should eventually all join together into a cohesive mesh once the bruteforcy network scanning is done. |
| 17:30.03 | foxlit | Attack the darkness until it comes back and bites you? |
| 17:30.12 | Kaso | yes pretty much |
| 17:32.28 | Kaso | but its not quite as bad as it sounds, as i say there are only 20,000 possible hosts which i can scan in under 1min, and the smartness of the scanning makes it scan previously seen ip ranges first so it's likely to find more hosts fairly quickly |
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| 17:33.35 | foxlit | Spamming UDP packets? |
| 17:34.28 | Kaso | pretty much, if a host exists you'll get a IMCP port closed message back in under 1ms, so you set it to 2ms timeout and get spamming |
| 17:34.33 | Kaso | The idea is still in a planning stage, but we're operating under some fairly hard limitations so this seems to be the only way. |
| 17:34.57 | Kaso | (limitations are to work accross broadcast boundries and be decenteralised) |
| 17:36.05 | pcj | What's to stop the MPAA or whatever to scan themselves for hosts |
| 17:36.54 | foxlit | Nothing. |
| 17:37.01 | Kirkburn | Except they'd have to think of it |
| 17:37.01 | pcj | Awesome |
| 17:37.28 | Kirkburn | This is the UK in this case anyway |
| 17:37.30 | Kaso | well firstly its local to our uni network in england so and mpaa is in US so that stops it somewhat |
| 17:37.40 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 17:37.58 | pcj | Yeah, well whatever the corresponding anti-piracy entity then |
| 17:38.27 | Kirkburn | Not a great deal going on over here on that |
| 17:38.37 | pcj | Then why even bother |
| 17:39.35 | Fisker- | case about what Kirkburn? |
| 17:39.51 | Kaso | the uni will take action to prevent if it's easy to take out one or two centeral hosts, but if 500 people are all distrobutedly using it it'd be too much effort to stop |
| 17:40.01 | Kirkburn | This entire conversation is based about the Lancashire Uni resnet, Fisker- |
| 17:40.13 | pcj | They could just block that protocol or whatever? |
| 17:40.19 | Fisker- | people getting busted for piracy? |
| 17:40.19 | Kirkburn | (is it called Lancashire Uni?) |
| 17:40.33 | Kaso | lacnaster |
| 17:40.36 | Kaso | lancaster |
| 17:40.38 | Kirkburn | Oh, duh |
| 17:42.02 | Kaso | they could set the routers to port filter the packets, but given there reaction to the previous system we're hoping that'd fall under "too much effort" |
| 17:42.21 | pcj | heh |
| 17:42.25 | Kaso | but yes, it is always possible for them to stop it, just gotta hope they dont |
| 17:43.49 | Fisker- | well some isp's are using data analyzing software to block it regardless of the port |
| 17:43.51 | Fisker- | or throttle it |
| 17:44.07 | foxlit | Encrypt. Everything. |
| 17:44.08 | Fisker- | protocol encryption helps but not by much anymore |
| 17:44.29 | dreamss | start using port 443 and ssl |
| 17:44.30 | dreamss | : |
| 17:44.31 | Kaso | DPI kit is expensive though, we def dont have any of that |
| 17:45.03 | Fisker- | i don't know what effect SSL would have on a bittorrent stream but the port certainly wouldn't matter :P |
| 17:45.04 | Fisker- | oh and btw |
| 17:45.13 | Fisker- | doh |
| 17:45.15 | Fisker- | thought it said SSH |
| 17:45.19 | dreamss | no trottle |
| 17:45.25 | Fisker- | i use SSH on port 443 btw :P |
| 17:45.28 | dreamss | no port block |
| 17:45.32 | Fisker- | so i can play world of warcraft at work |
| 17:45.37 | dreamss | lol |
| 17:46.04 | pcj | i like how the chan rules say no acc trading/emu serv talks but we just talk about other forms of piracy |
| 17:46.21 | dreamss | oh dude |
| 17:46.39 | Kaso | Well noone said what we plan to send over this distrubuted anonymus file sharing network *cough* |
| 17:46.49 | Kaso | all linux ISO's and coursework! |
| 17:46.49 | foxlit | Clearly linux distributions |
| 17:46.55 | Kaso | hehe |
| 17:47.01 | Fisker- | i believe it's more of an issue about helping with private servers |
| 17:47.16 | Fisker- | ethically or legally i think we'd be allowed to talk about private servers as well |
| 17:47.21 | pcj | the whole issue behind private servers is piracy |
| 17:47.36 | dreamss | or ppl "hey i cant get on xxxx server " |
| 17:47.46 | foxlit | You can't monitor encrypted links beyond "hey, that looks like a heckload of data"; passing things through SSL eliminates someone's ability to watch for the BT handshake |
| 17:48.38 | Fisker- | that reminds me |
| 17:48.44 | Fisker- | back before i had my own server |
| 17:48.47 | foxlit | There's nothing in the ToU about respecting the IP of other companies and/or products :P |
| 17:48.52 | Fisker- | I ran WoW through http tunnelling |
| 17:49.06 | Fisker- | they told me they'd give me a warning if i didn't give them my hostname or ip |
| 17:49.15 | dreamss | back when bbb launched their cheap 10mbit link, u had everyone making warez ftp servers, then they slowed down everything but 80/443 |
| 17:49.16 | Fisker- | so i went up to the machine with them and saw their monitor list |
| 17:49.21 | dreamss | ppl adapted fast |
| 17:49.23 | dreamss | : |
| 17:49.34 | Fisker- | On the top was my host with like 2 million hits and no standard http data retrieved |
| 17:49.44 | Fisker- | "You asked me up here why?" |
| 17:51.06 | pcj | !jobqueue |
| 17:51.08 | dreamss | cant belive divx is going big time now |
| 17:51.09 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 3 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 3secs. |
| 17:51.23 | Kirkburn | dreamss, ? |
| 17:51.40 | dreamss | they signed with sony, PS3 getting divx codec |
| 17:51.52 | pcj | I wouldn't really call that "big time" |
| 17:51.54 | dreamss | and probally 360 too |
| 17:51.59 | pcj | Oh, yeah, there you go |
| 17:52.09 | Kirkburn | It's already on several DVD players :P |
| 17:52.14 | dreamss | long way since it was a hacked codec |
| 17:52.15 | Kirkburn | pcj, lol |
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| 17:53.47 | Fisker- | man i hope fogh doesn't get elected again |
| 17:54.57 | foxlit | Why wouldn't he? |
| 17:55.40 | Kirkburn | fogh? |
| 17:55.52 | Fisker- | some idiot in our country |
| 17:55.58 | Fisker- | primeminister atm |
| 17:56.04 | Fisker- | elections going on |
| 17:56.11 | Fisker- | hopefully not primeminister for long |
| 17:58.23 | pcj | fogh looks a lot like fag |
| 17:58.45 | Fisker- | he is! |
| 17:59.00 | pcj | what's your country |
| 17:59.05 | Fisker- | denmark |
| 17:59.07 | pcj | heh |
| 18:00.27 | pcj | http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071113065725.yech1gw9&show_article=1 |
| 18:01.04 | Fisker- | btw funny stuff |
| 18:01.21 | Fisker- | some of the right-wing parties acused the left-wing of slandering |
| 18:01.49 | Fisker- | Each time there were a political debate you would see an ad from a right-wing recapping how and why the left-wing is wrong |
| 18:02.42 | Kirkburn | pcj, Fisker-, you know my views on language here, don't do it. |
| 18:02.54 | Kirkburn | (regarding 5 mins ago) |
| 18:03.22 | Fisker- | sorry :P |
| 18:03.25 | foxlit | Meh. |
| 18:03.27 | foxlit | Who's the right wing? |
| 18:03.34 | Fisker- | would be funnier if you knew the story :P |
| 18:03.47 | Fisker- | venstre, konservative, df and probably also ny alliance |
| 18:04.05 | foxlit | The best government, or the bestest government? |
| 18:04.35 | Fisker- | anyways Kirkburn i believe there was some gay parade here a while ago |
| 18:04.43 | Fisker- | and the gays showed considerable interest for fogh :D |
| 18:04.59 | pcj | lol |
| 18:05.41 | Fisker- | lol |
| 18:05.48 | Fisker- | i just started barrens chat in trade |
| 18:05.58 | kd3 | hm... time for a {{NYI}} purge |
| 18:06.00 | Fisker- | some guy asked what class was the most played |
| 18:06.04 | Fisker- | and i wrote Warlock for fun |
| 18:06.11 | Fisker- | now everyone is spamming |
| 18:06.31 | pcj | ...grats? |
| 18:07.10 | Fisker- | i see it as a kind of achievement :P |
| 18:07.53 | Kirkburn | Fisker-, now that's I've read up on Fogh, I'm not surprised by their support for him |
| 18:08.28 | Fisker- | ? |
| 18:08.31 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Forum post of the day: Patch 8.4 notes - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/13/forum-post-of-the-day-patch-8-4-notes/ |
| 18:08.40 | Fisker- | it's not like anyone here is opposed to gays at all :P |
| 18:09.01 | Kirkburn | Yay for (most of) Europe :) |
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| 18:10.25 | Fisker- | he said he wanted the cristian church to accept gay marriages though |
| 18:10.32 | Fisker- | which i don't really support either |
| 18:10.48 | Fisker- | christian* |
| 18:10.58 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: New dances...I DEMAND - http://www.wowblues.com/eu/new-dancesi-demand-305512605.html |
| 18:11.01 | Kirkburn | He did say it was a personal view |
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| 18:11.33 | Kirkburn | I don't know much about your state religion |
| 18:11.53 | Fisker- | protestant christian |
| 18:11.56 | Fisker- | well |
| 18:12.01 | Fisker- | we have free religion of course |
| 18:12.08 | Kirkburn | Obviously :P |
| 18:12.38 | Fisker- | i'm 100% against religion though, not having one, but having one defined by the state |
| 18:12.43 | Kirkburn | We have the Church of England |
| 18:14.07 | Kirkburn | I agree, it should always be for the population to choose, and one religion should not have control of the country's policies |
| 18:14.50 | Kirkburn | I've got completely distracted from what I was doing >< |
| 18:15.17 | Fisker- | well it's pretty good here |
| 18:15.28 | Fisker- | you can also decide that you don't want to be a member of the church |
| 18:15.30 | Fisker- | and get tax benefits |
| 18:15.57 | Fisker- | can't use the church though (obviously) |
| 18:16.06 | Kirkburn | That sounds ... odd |
| 18:17.25 | Fisker- | well membership is done over the tax |
| 18:18.32 | Fisker- | <-raid tiem |
| 18:18.38 | Kirkburn | Enjoy |
| 18:29.25 | pcj | Hmm |
| 18:29.37 | pcj | It's randomly ignoring my user CSS |
| 18:33.15 | Kirkburn | Strange |
| 18:33.35 | dreamss | hohoho extended maint? |
| 18:33.55 | Fisker- | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeere? |
| 18:34.04 | kd3 | so not surprised |
| 18:34.09 | dreamss | 1pm |
| 18:34.13 | kd3 | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert |
| 18:34.41 | Fisker- | find it for eu kd3 |
| 18:35.02 | kd3 | wireshark + start wow, go! |
| 18:35.21 | Fisker- | i hate you |
| 18:35.29 | pcj | :'( |
| 18:35.41 | Fisker- | i don't got wireshark!1 |
| 18:37.33 | Fisker- | http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert |
| 18:37.34 | Fisker- | yay |
| 18:37.57 | Fisker- | that was an exceedingly annoying url though |
| 18:38.38 | pcj | http://status.wow-europe.com/es/alert imo |
| 18:40.00 | Kirkburn | We got linked :) http://www.neowin.net/news/gamers/07/11/13/world-of-warcraft-patch-23-going-live-today |
| 18:40.17 | pcj | OMG |
| 18:40.25 | Fisker- | neowin = win |
| 18:40.36 | Fisker- | hence the name |
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| 18:40.46 | pcj | no |
| 18:40.47 | Kirkburn | It's the kind of thing we need to do more, but is difficult as a wiki :( |
| 18:41.01 | pcj | i blame adys |
| 18:41.01 | Kirkburn | <-- neowin fanboy :P |
| 18:41.52 | Lukian | aww i wake up and maint is extended another 2hrs :( |
| 18:42.38 | pcj | fgawd |
| 18:42.47 | pcj | go back to sleep so i can get playing |
| 18:43.02 | Lukian | lol |
| 18:43.15 | Lukian | can't for some reason |
| 18:43.33 | Lukian | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.05 | Lukian | ooo baby |
| 18:44.29 | Lukian | Chossing a realm .. "You cannot move your characters between realms" |
| 18:45.36 | pcj | But you can sure try |
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| 18:46.31 | pcj | hi keolah :) |
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| 18:52.02 | Voluspaa | Bah, I'm so pissed of right now! |
| 18:52.26 | pcj | And you came here to grace us with your presence? |
| 18:52.49 | Voluspaa | Yes, you cannot fathom the pleasure it gives me. |
| 18:54.05 | Voluspaa | Anyway, thanks to (mostly) Kirkburn and me the mainpage (http://no.wow.wikia.com/wiki/Hovedside) actually looked decent. But guess what? Zizanzu actually reversed the changes because he wants to "fix the mainpage himself". |
| 18:54.15 | Kirkburn | wtf |
| 18:55.07 | Voluspaa | Yeah, indeed. |
| 18:56.49 | Voluspaa | Well, I'm thinking about leaving the project anyway. |
| 18:56.55 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: Thirty minutes until the servers come back up - http://www.wowblues.com/us/thirty-minutes-until-the-servers-come-back-up-2855963379.html |
| 18:57.02 | Kirkburn | Um, I don't see any evidence of that |
| 18:57.15 | Kirkburn | Except for the <center> thing |
| 18:57.44 | Voluspaa | Take a look at the templates |
| 18:57.49 | Kirkburn | "DET FINNES ANDRE LØSNINGER SOM ER BEDRE (OG JEG SKAL REPARERE SIDEN VOLUSPÅ MEN DU MÅ GI MEG TID!" <-- what does that mean? |
| 18:58.31 | Kirkburn | Also "Voluspå - Ikke gjør noe med hovedsiden som sakt så skal jeg se på det.... BLEH" |
| 18:58.39 | Kirkburn | argh |
| 18:58.40 | Adys | I think it means |
| 18:58.58 | *** join/#wowwiki Voluspaa (i=d5a760c4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-4a78d6fe86ff3047) |
| 18:59.01 | Voluspaa | It means: |
| 18:59.02 | Kirkburn | Welcome back |
| 18:59.06 | Adys | "VOLUSPA AND ANDRE LOSNINGER SITTING IN A TREE - K.I.S.S.I.N.G." |
| 18:59.12 | Adys | am i right? |
| 18:59.16 | pcj | omfg http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=M%27uru_Matyr_Theory&rcid=898845 |
| 18:59.16 | Kirkburn | o_O |
| 18:59.17 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=M%27uru_Faster_reincarnation_theory&rcid=898847 |
| 18:59.20 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=M%27uru_Controll_theory&rcid=898848 |
| 18:59.23 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=M%27uru_Naaru_Nuke_Theory&rcid=898850 |
| 18:59.32 | pcj | *facepalm* |
| 18:59.35 | Kirkburn | >_> |
| 18:59.52 | Voluspaa | "There are other and better solutions, Voluspa, and I shall repair the page. However, in due time" |
| 19:00.20 | Kirkburn | And "Voluspå - Ikke gjør noe med hovedsiden som sakt så skal jeg se på det.... BLEH" ? |
| 19:00.45 | Kirkburn | pcj, sd and I'll do them later |
| 19:01.16 | Voluspaa | "Voluspa, do not do anything with the main page, as I have said before: I shall take a look at it... bleh (?)" |
| 19:01.31 | Kirkburn | Good thing I did the stuff then :P |
| 19:01.59 | Voluspaa | Yeah. He also told me to stick to my translation tasks. |
| 19:03.25 | Kirkburn | Voluspaa, don't let him think it's his personal project - it isn't. You have as much right as him to do what you wish on the wiki. |
| 19:03.59 | Voluspaa | Well, he is suffering from Asperger's syndrome. |
| 19:04.08 | Voluspaa | So we have to be nice to him. |
| 19:04.31 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Around Azeroth: A little trick of the light - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/13/around-azeroth-a-little-trick-of-the-light/ |
| 19:04.45 | Kirkburn | Ah, difficult situation, but he still has to realise it |
| 19:05.28 | Kirkburn | I am not envying your position, but hope you can keep going :) |
| 19:06.57 | Voluspaa | Thanks ;) |
| 19:07.39 | foxlit | grr, tuple relational calculus |
| 19:07.42 | foxlit | spawn of evil! |
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| 19:08.53 | Voluspaa | Really? Why? |
| 19:11.06 | Kirkburn | Voluspaa, I think the name is bad enough - I have no idea what "tuple relational calculus is" |
| 19:12.27 | Kirkburn | foxlit, enlighten me :P |
| 19:12.57 | foxlit | ~wikipedia Tuple relational calculus |
| 19:13.37 | Kirkburn | I think that's enough to make me never ever click that link |
| 19:13.48 | Voluspaa | My eyes! |
| 19:14.14 | Voluspaa | Anyway, new question! Why do you say "Englend" and not "England"? |
| 19:14.56 | Kirkburn | That's like asking "have you stopped beating your wife yet?" |
| 19:15.04 | pcj | ...well have you |
| 19:15.10 | Kirkburn | I can't answer it, because I don't say Englend :P |
| 19:15.19 | Kirkburn | pcj, no, not as yet. |
| 19:15.38 | Voluspaa | Do I pronounce it wrong then? (Oh nos) |
| 19:15.59 | Voluspaa | Or is it just like the "mery/mary" thing? |
| 19:16.00 | Kirkburn | You could be pronouncing it "Fish" for all I know :P |
| 19:16.18 | Kirkburn | Merry and Mary? Oooh, I think I see what you mean |
| 19:16.20 | pcj | I pronounce it "snot" |
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| 19:16.44 | Kirkburn | You probably have to live here for a while to hear the difference |
| 19:16.57 | Bagginsww | didn't there used to be a specific mob called a floating eye in WoW? |
| 19:17.12 | Voluspaa | I can hear the difference between mary and merry |
| 19:17.49 | Voluspaa | However, I've noticed that some people pronounce mary like "mee-ry" |
| 19:17.58 | Kirkburn | Well, in the case of England, "and" is not said like "and", nor like "end" ... it's more like "ahnd" |
| 19:18.31 | Bagginsww | doesn't it depend on what part of England or america for that matter? |
| 19:18.35 | Bagginsww | *America |
| 19:18.49 | Bagginsww | regional dialects and all that |
| 19:18.50 | Kirkburn | To an extent |
| 19:18.55 | Kirkburn | sannse, what say you? :P |
| 19:19.07 | Voluspaa | Well, I'll stick to my school pronuncitation then |
| 19:19.22 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, floating eye? Where? |
| 19:19.38 | Bagginsww | I can't remember, and I can't find any reference to it anywhere |
| 19:19.49 | Bagginsww | I mean to the specific mob, "Floating Eye" |
| 19:20.20 | sannse | Kirkburn: I agree it's not "and" or "end"... can't write what it is though |
| 19:20.25 | sannse | "lund"? |
| 19:20.39 | Kirkburn | Yeah, can be :) |
| 19:21.08 | Kirkburn | I've said the word too much now, it's losing all meaning >_< |
| 19:21.34 | Adys | whats the category for local templates? |
| 19:21.35 | Adys | forgot |
| 19:24.12 | Voluspaa | http://youtube.com/watch?v=jyYMbQon1m0 he clearly says "lend", not "land". |
| 19:25.02 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Misc_Local_Templates <-- that, Adys? |
| 19:25.05 | Voluspaa | Though, not many people speak like this today, but perhaps the pronouncitation has been kept in the word England |
| 19:25.08 | Adys | ya |
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| 19:25.57 | Kirkburn | Voluspaa, that's not .... normal English :P |
| 19:26.25 | Voluspaa | It's almost like the English we learn |
| 19:30.26 | Bagginsww | The strategy guide supports that there was a specific Floating Eye mob as well level 69 mob. |
| 19:30.38 | Bagginsww | strange I can't find a reference to it on the internet at this point |
| 19:30.55 | Kirkburn | Collidus the Warp-Watcher |
| 19:31.08 | Kirkburn | [[Collidus the Warp-Watcher]] |
| 19:31.09 | [NewsBot] | Kirkburn meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Collidus_the_Warp-Watcher |
| 19:31.23 | Bagginsww | um well we know he's a floating eye boss ;) |
| 19:31.33 | Bagginsww | or a beholder depending on what you like to call it |
| 19:31.38 | Kirkburn | Beholder ftw |
| 19:31.43 | Kirkburn | I think that's likely it |
| 19:31.43 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 19:32.01 | Voluspaa | Beholder :) Guess what that means in Norwegian. |
| 19:32.05 | Bagginsww | nah when I saw them they were just a basic mob |
| 19:32.12 | Kirkburn | All I did was type "floating eye wowwiki", and that's what appeared |
| 19:32.27 | Bagginsww | well [[Floating eye]] |
| 19:32.33 | Bagginsww | [[floating eye]] |
| 19:32.34 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/floating_eye |
| 19:32.53 | Bagginsww | just doesn't answer about the mob itself :p |
| 19:33.04 | Kirkburn | I have no recollection of floating eyes outside of instances at any point |
| 19:33.16 | Kirkburn | (except for the ones in Netherstorm) |
| 19:33.31 | Kirkburn | Beta neither |
| 19:33.31 | Bagginsww | well I'm pretty sure the floating eyes were in netherstorm |
| 19:33.38 | Bagginsww | they may have gotten a rename |
| 19:35.23 | Bagginsww | the strat guide lists these 4 as basic Float Eye mobs; |
| 19:35.56 | Bagginsww | Floating Eye, level 69, Eye of Culuthas, 69-70, Death Watcher, 70, and Entropic Eye, 70. |
| 19:36.17 | kd3 | http://www.wowhead.com/?search=floating+eye |
| 19:36.31 | Bagginsww | exactly kd3 |
| 19:36.33 | Bagginsww | that's what's weird |
| 19:36.49 | Bagginsww | I'm pretty sure I encountered them back when TBC was first released. |
| 19:37.00 | Bagginsww | I think they may have been renamed |
| 19:37.15 | Bagginsww | I just can't place a finger on to what. |
| 19:40.24 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/Floating_eye ? |
| 19:40.56 | pcj | Yes, i don't read the channel before typing |
| 19:41.42 | kd3 | gotta love the submitters on fark.., |
| 19:41.48 | kd3 | "Deadly strain of bird flu hits eastern England, risk of pandemic will be known when scientists ascertain the approximate air speed velocity of an unladen swallow" |
| 19:42.10 | Bagginsww | I suppose I could go through the strategy guide's zone lists page by page to see where the mob was located :P |
| 19:42.58 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: DK's ranged weapon or relic? - http://www.wowblues.com/us/dks-ranged-weapon-or-relic-2855963281.html |
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| 19:46.09 | Kirkburn | kd3, lol |
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| 19:46.47 | bleetah | kd3: african or european? |
| 19:48.34 | bleetah | is there a Tim The Enchanter - alike toon? |
| 19:48.43 | bleetah | *NPC |
| 19:52.31 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Maintenance extended two hours - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/13/maintenance-extended-two-hours/ |
| 19:56.04 | pcj | ooold |
| 20:02.29 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Future_race_ideas#Voting |
| 20:09.18 | Voluspaa | Where is Dotted? |
| 20:09.34 | Lukian | wow late [NewsBot] |
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| 20:14.00 | winkiller | Booterang! |
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| 20:17.24 | pcj | zomg baggins got pwned http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Troll-shaman&curid=138512&diff=979621&oldid=979602&rcid=898963 |
| 20:20.30 | Voluspaa | I miss Dotted :( |
| 20:21.38 | pcj | !wwstats |
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| 20:22.31 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Future_race_ideas#Keepers_of_the_grove |
| 20:22.32 | Bagginsww | what a newb |
| 20:22.45 | [NewsBot] | New stats available for #wowwiki (at pcj's request)! Check out the stats at http://www.bxd.dk/irc/freenode/wowwiki.html |
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| 20:23.01 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: PTR Mac (post 2.3 patch) - http://www.wowblues.com/us/ptr-mac-post-23-patch-2856023352.html |
| 20:23.14 | Bagginsww | pcg the idea to merge that page into the other page is based on the fact tha |
| 20:23.18 | Bagginsww | [[mage races]] |
| 20:23.19 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/mage_races |
| 20:23.21 | Bagginsww | started the precidence |
| 20:23.27 | Bagginsww | for what those pages are intended to be |
| 20:24.31 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: You say Mana. I say Manna. - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/13/you-say-mana-i-say-manna/ |
| 20:34.02 | pcj | fandy is so out of touch |
| 20:34.34 | Kirkburn | ? |
| 20:34.48 | Voluspaa | ? |
| 20:35.10 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump&curid=23440&diff=979658&oldid=978345 |
| 20:35.57 | pcj | !jobqueue |
| 20:36.00 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 1 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 1sec. |
| 20:38.35 | Voluspaa | Mmm. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Marcipangris.jpg |
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| 20:43.46 | pcj | !jobqueue |
| 20:43.50 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 1 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 1sec. |
| 20:44.10 | pcj | omfg kirkburn = pwned http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Troll-shaman&curid=138512&diff=979677&oldid=979672&rcid=899019 |
| 20:44.57 | pcj | LOL http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Troll-shaman&curid=138654&diff=979680&oldid=979665&rcid=899021 |
| 20:44.58 | bleetah | totally |
| 20:45.01 | Kirkburn | Wiki slow for others? |
| 20:45.05 | pcj | yeh kirkburn |
| 20:45.12 | pcj | baggins whats with the personal attacks gawd |
| 20:45.16 | bleetah | fine here |
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| 20:47.24 | Kirkburn | pcj, it's almost quote worthy |
| 20:47.32 | Kirkburn | Step One: Call Kirkburn a "jerk" |
| 20:47.44 | Kirkburn | Step Two: Tell Baggins off for personal attacks |
| 20:47.53 | Kirkburn | Step Four: Profit |
| 20:48.00 | pcj | Next he's gonna call Adys a rotten frenchie |
| 20:48.34 | bleetah | pcj: but.. adys IS a rotten frenchie :/ |
| 20:48.43 | pcj | well bleetah isn't kirkburn a "jerk" |
| 20:50.12 | pcj | and the slowness of the wiki makes it all worthwhile |
| 20:51.15 | bleetah | not 'a jerk'... 'the jerk' |
| 20:51.21 | Kirkburn | :O |
| 20:51.45 | pcj | /popcorn |
| 20:51.52 | bleetah | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jerk |
| 20:53.54 | Voluspaa | Quoted! |
| 20:54.06 | Voluspaa | I'll make on of my famous pictures |
| 21:02.00 | mxs | Kirkburn: I'd assume wiki being slow is due to WoW servers not being up and a whole bunch of people not having anything better to do than refresh the frontpage over ...and over ... and over again :> |
| 21:02.10 | Kirkburn | Good point |
| 21:02.19 | foxlit | Archimonde is a spammer |
| 21:02.24 | pcj | pfft screw frontpage recent changes is where its at |
| 21:02.57 | pcj | also i find the Fx addon ReloadEvery helps |
| 21:03.45 | mxs | Opera comes with that built-in |
| 21:04.04 | mxs | but if you really want to annoy webmaster, install FasterFox and set it to aggressive |
| 21:04.31 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Build Shop: Warrior 41/20/0 - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/13/build-shop-warrior-41-20-0/ |
| 21:04.46 | pcj | heh |
| 21:05.25 | mxs | or use download managers that download 850mbyte files in ... 10 kilobyte chunks, opening 100 concurrent connections. |
| 21:05.29 | mxs | And no, I'm not making that up. |
| 21:06.17 | pcj | ...just lol |
| 21:06.34 | KuinKala | lagwiki |
| 21:06.50 | KuinKala | its very, very slow atm :| |
| 21:07.02 | pcj | read above |
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| 21:07.59 | mxs | pcj: the interface sites are gonna be fun to surf tonight, too |
| 21:07.59 | KuinKala | ah |
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| 21:08.00 | pcj | i've already updated most of my addons |
| 21:08.08 | Voluspaa | I have done it! I present to you: AFKTEMPTATION! (http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=communistgirlig7.jpg) |
| 21:08.11 | mxs | I predict at least one outage of a major site within 30 minutes of the servers going live |
| 21:08.48 | Voluspaa | Great or what? |
| 21:09.11 | mxs | pcj: lucky you :) |
| 21:09.35 | pcj | Cosmos still needs to update |
| 21:09.37 | pcj | and Auctioneer |
| 21:09.49 | mxs | I love how the guys at deadlybossmods and ctmod have a mode for patchdays that actually lets them operate, but Blizzard is too cheap to think about these lesser things for their forums :> |
| 21:10.32 | Bagginsw | what's wrong with wowwiki? its running so slowly |
| 21:10.44 | pcj | If ctmod didn't use the flash banners it would probably be ok without a low bandwidth version |
| 21:11.03 | Voluspaa | It's Wikia's servers |
| 21:11.08 | foxlit | flash isn't exactly big |
| 21:11.13 | bleetah | wowwiki sux |
| 21:11.14 | mxs | pcj: I doubt the flash banners come from their servers |
| 21:11.16 | bleetah | bah wrong # |
| 21:11.23 | pcj | Looks like they do |
| 21:11.31 | pcj | But it's also the biggest thing on their page |
| 21:11.33 | mxs | foxlit: you haven't seen what people do with flash ads these days, have you ... :P |
| 21:11.54 | foxlit | No, I block most of them. |
| 21:12.01 | foxlit | Flash as a format isn't excessive, though :) |
| 21:12.33 | mxs | flash as a format is a freaking abomination |
| 21:12.39 | mxs | always has been, always will be |
| 21:12.44 | Mustafah | i agree |
| 21:12.52 | Voluspaa | I like flash. It's so... flashy :) |
| 21:12.57 | mxs | there is absolutely no legitimate reason to use Flash. |
| 21:13.16 | mxs | unless you favour flashy over substance, and in that case nobody can help you |
| 21:13.19 | Voluspaa | I remember when I got my first flash file ^^ |
| 21:13.57 | mxs | I just disable flash outright, with a very small whitelist |
| 21:14.14 | mxs | if sites don't work without it, tough noogies, there are others that will |
| 21:14.22 | Voluspaa | It was a circle inside another circle inside a box, and everything moved. It was a breathtaking view |
| 21:14.28 | Mustafah | i suppose a legitimate reason would be to advertise... which is what its being used for in this case isntit |
| 21:14.37 | mxs | (with the exception of youtube and videojug, but even those could use better standards :) |
| 21:15.04 | mxs | Mustafah: that's not a legitimate reason. The reason flash is used there is to annoy. |
| 21:15.18 | mxs | Magazines do fine without punchable monkeys |
| 21:15.26 | Mustafah | ha more like collertal damage |
| 21:15.58 | mxs | and animated ads kinda defeat the purpose. If I need to wait 3-4 scenes to get some information, why should I bother ? You are not captivating me with your witty dialogue, you are simply making me look elsewhere |
| 21:16.33 | Voluspaa | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/bagadada |
| 21:16.44 | mxs | and there are really cool things you can do with vector formats, multimedia markup, and scripting ... None of which Flash actually does well. |
| 21:16.47 | Voluspaa | Flash <3 |
| 21:16.56 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: 14/11 - Weekly Maintenance - http://www.wowblues.com/eu/1411-weekly-maintenance-1611181517.html |
| 21:18.25 | mxs | if you want to see an example of Flash going extremely wrong : http://www.megaupload.com/ |
| 21:18.38 | mxs | you can't even copy and paste the links to the files. |
| 21:19.00 | foxlit | "mxs: flash as a format is a freaking abomination" familiar with the format? |
| 21:19.14 | mxs | foxlit: unfortunately, yes. |
| 21:19.30 | Bagginsw | btw kirkburn you should also step in and tell that one ":>" person that calling people names like "twisted" doesn't help anything, and flaming is in violation:p |
| 21:19.35 | mxs | from its humble beginnings up to all the cruft they added later on :) |
| 21:19.45 | pcj | kirkburn: |
| 21:19.46 | pcj | While trying to retrieve the URL: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Swift_Green_Mechanostrider&action=submit |
| 21:19.46 | pcj | The following error was encountered: |
| 21:19.46 | pcj | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.46 | pcj | The system returned: |
| 21:19.47 | pcj | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.49 | pcj | Squid is unable to create a TCP socket, presumably due to excessive load. Please retry your request. |
| 21:20.11 | mxs | ouch ... you know it's bad when SQUID starts croaking. |
| 21:21.21 | mxs | 'cause that thing can usually take abuse to no end, up to several krequests/sec on regular hardware |
| 21:22.12 | Mustafah | a few servers online now |
| 21:22.31 | mxs | foxlit: to compare, it's the .DOC of multimedia formats. And that's saying something. |
| 21:23.02 | mxs | Mustafah: 4 of them :> |
| 21:23.14 | bleetah | 5 |
| 21:23.15 | foxlit | Any other formats that deliver what SWF does? |
| 21:23.17 | mxs | Blackrock, Ner'zhul, Silver Hand, and Tichondrius |
| 21:23.18 | bleetah | one oceanic's on |
| 21:23.22 | bleetah | aman'thul |
| 21:24.02 | pcj | Microsoft Expression tries |
| 21:24.09 | pcj | You could also pretend Java is similar |
| 21:24.22 | pcj | Java web applets that is |
| 21:24.22 | mxs | foxlit: you are changing the subject. No matter what it does, it's badly designed, badly organized, smells of cruft, and reeks of really bad practices. |
| 21:25.00 | mxs | SMIL and SVG come to mind |
| 21:25.05 | foxlit | I'm saying that there's a lack of similar formats to enable a comparison to everything |
| 21:25.10 | foxlit | SVG is purely a graphics format |
| 21:25.35 | mxs | not really, SVG has a DOM just as HTML does. You can do ECMAscript with it. |
| 21:26.05 | mxs | (and it builds on "lesser" building blocks, so you can tie in other content, too) |
| 21:26.48 | mxs | the problem with SVG is that it lacks proper backing. Adobe had a decent SVG plugin, but scrapped it to peddle their freshly bought Macromedia cruft :) |
| 21:27.01 | foxlit | The only interesting alternative is, well, silverlight. |
| 21:27.43 | Kirkburn | Silverlight is pretty good from what I hear |
| 21:27.49 | mxs | multimedia markup has a long history; other formats could have been better. The thing with other formats is that they are not proprietary, so they are not a golden cashcow |
| 21:28.03 | pcj | Gosh, all the up servers are max |
| 21:28.11 | Voluspaa | Well, perhaps you should call Windows? Perhaps they can help? |
| 21:28.20 | Mustafah | ha |
| 21:28.41 | mxs | in any case though, Flash reinvents the wheel in oh-so-many ways. |
| 21:29.06 | mxs | and badly, at that. Remember when they first started playing with video ? Unaccelerated video ? |
| 21:29.27 | mxs | or Forms. Why would we need yet another way to do forms ? |
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| 21:30.42 | mxs | in any case, I know people will disagree with me on the merits of flash, I just really, really don't like it; and in most cases I see it used, it's used for no other purpose than to "use flash" -- not to convey a message, not to solve a problem, just to be cool. |
| 21:31.06 | pcj | !jobqueue |
| 21:31.09 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 1 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 1sec. |
| 21:31.57 | Mustafah | 2pm now |
| 21:32.23 | pcj | what |
| 21:32.23 | mxs | Mustafah: yupp. Any bets on whether all servers will be up by that time ? :> |
| 21:32.42 | liquidhelium | Yeah right, lol |
| 21:33.09 | Mustafah | im going to assume that they are having some large, unexpected problems |
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| 21:33.47 | kd3 | which is par for the course on patch days |
| 21:34.01 | mxs | Mustafah: only they are not really unexpected |
| 21:34.27 | pcj | More servers up now |
| 21:34.39 | Mustafah | yeah thats right mxs |
| 21:34.58 | mxs | I also have to question why nobody at Blizzard had the bright idea to mirror one live cluster to second location, and play out the patching scenario on fridays. |
| 21:35.05 | bleetah | and down lol |
| 21:35.07 | mxs | Just to see whether there are any, you know, unexpected problems |
| 21:36.59 | foxlit | I'd imagine that occurs to some extent with PTRs |
| 21:37.15 | mxs | foxlit: yeah, only not with live data |
| 21:37.27 | foxlit | Live enough :) |
| 21:37.32 | mxs | apparently not |
| 21:37.47 | foxlit | Did they actually say something about what is going wrong? |
| 21:37.52 | kd3 | no |
| 21:37.57 | mxs | they never do |
| 21:38.03 | kd3 | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert |
| 21:38.04 | Mustafah | lots poppin on now |
| 21:38.06 | foxlit | For all they usually publish, you could assume that some hamster decided to gnaw on some database <--> server link |
| 21:38.42 | mxs | no, hamsters power the servers. The rats gnaw on the cables. |
| 21:38.57 | foxlit | rebel hamsters! |
| 21:39.12 | foxlit | mutant hamsters? |
| 21:39.14 | mxs | Patchdays are really when Blizzard has to fumigate the building, but in order not to loose too many power supply units, they have to evacuate the hamsters |
| 21:39.17 | foxlit | alien hamsters? |
| 21:39.25 | foxlit | from mars? |
| 21:39.38 | mxs | unexpected problems in that scenario would be hamsters getting better job offers |
| 21:40.00 | mxs | I'm telling you, never let your hamster near craigslist |
| 21:44.41 | pcj | k |
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| 22:13.03 | Bagginsw | gg there is something wrong with that ;> person |
| 22:15.55 | Bagginsw | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Troll-shaman |
| 22:15.59 | Bagginsw | :-| |
| 22:16.19 | foxlit | armorystatus? |
| 22:16.20 | pcj | loool |
| 22:16.30 | Bagginsw | not sure how one jumps to the conclusion that shaman has anything to do with future race ideas... |
| 22:16.31 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Shifting Perspectives: The Druid-Shammy double whammy - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/13/shifting-perspectives-the-druid-shammy-double-whammy/ |
| 22:16.46 | pcj | foxlit: http://www.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=Amani%20War%20Bear&searchType=items |
| 22:16.56 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: Currently Researching - Pet UI bars - http://www.wowblues.com/us/currently-researching-pet-ui-bars-108216415.html |
| 22:16.58 | Bagginsw | or that I was attacking a person by doing some cleanup :p |
| 22:17.24 | Bagginsw | some people need mature :p |
| 22:17.27 | Bagginsw | *to |
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| 22:39.21 | foxlit | qq |
| 22:39.28 | foxlit | http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=5195 should be blue |
| 22:39.35 | foxlit | And I bet those are cached |
| 22:39.50 | foxlit | So it'll actually take ages for someone to realize and clear that |
| 22:40.26 | Fisker- | ah stupid fileplanet |
| 22:40.34 | Fisker- | they don't have the european 2.2.3->2.3 patches |
| 22:41.34 | |Pixel| | well |
| 22:41.38 | |Pixel| | because noone has, yet ? |
| 22:41.44 | |Pixel| | (apart of me, of course) |
| 22:41.47 | Fisker- | fileplanet has the 2.3.0 universal patch |
| 22:41.50 | Fisker- | for uk as well |
| 22:42.03 | Fisker- | wanna giev btw? |
| 22:42.31 | Fisker- | downloading 290MB > downloading 900MB |
| 22:42.32 | |Pixel| | nope :P |
| 22:42.36 | Fisker- | :( |
| 22:42.50 | Fisker- | i'll crack your patchsequencelist soon enough |
| 22:42.57 | Fisker- | get into your content servers etc. |
| 22:42.59 | |Pixel| | what for ? |
| 22:43.00 | mxs | |Pixel|: I have had them for hours, mirrored on wirebrain :P |
| 22:43.08 | Fisker- | mxs that's not the patcher |
| 22:43.10 | Fisker- | only the partial's |
| 22:43.22 | mxs | ah, that one |
| 22:43.37 | mxs | yeah, those are only released to certain mirror sites as far as I can see |
| 22:43.39 | Fisker- | i need it for epic hosting |
| 22:43.48 | mxs | patchsequencefiles will not get you anything since there don't seem to be torrents for those |
| 22:43.48 | Fisker- | fileplanet for some reason have the universal patches |
| 22:43.51 | Fisker- | so do you |
| 22:44.00 | mxs | the universal patches are easy to get |
| 22:44.02 | mxs | real easy |
| 22:44.02 | Fisker- | the patches are also served through http |
| 22:44.14 | mxs | Fisker-: not the ones you want |
| 22:44.30 | Fisker- | well perhaps they are |
| 22:44.34 | Fisker- | just gotta find the right server :P |
| 22:44.36 | mxs | not on Blizzard servers |
| 22:44.56 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: Petbar doesnt come up when knocked off mount - http://www.wowblues.com/us/petbar-doesnt-come-up-when-knocked-off-mount-2855963189.html |
| 22:44.59 | mxs | the direct download servers serve the .exe, but that is actually just the partial patches |
| 22:45.06 | mxs | (cleverly misnamed) |
| 22:45.10 | Fisker- | :( |
| 22:45.48 | mxs | i.e. SECRETIP/WoW-2.x.x.xxxx-to.2.y.y.yyyy-enUS-patch.exe/0 will not actually be the first part of an exe named that, but BNUpdate.exe |
| 22:45.58 | mxs | (and you should know secretip from the downloaders ;) |
| 22:46.07 | Fisker- | how i know what the secret ip is >P |
| 22:46.09 | Fisker- | :P |
| 22:46.20 | Fisker- | not up on this server though |
| 22:46.24 | Fisker- | might just be the US content server |
| 22:46.26 | mxs | real easy. Look at the torrents that come with the regular downloaders. you'll figure it out. |
| 22:46.40 | mxs | European patches are up |
| 22:46.42 | mxs | have been for hours |
| 22:47.03 | Fisker- | not the one i'm looking for though :P |
| 22:47.12 | mxs | but the 2.2.3 -> 2.3.0 patcher you get from filefront or fileplanet is NOT avaialable from blizzard servers |
| 22:47.12 | Fisker- | i need to give |Pixel| a backrub |
| 22:47.41 | Fisker- | i'm sure i'll get it out of him sooner or later |
| 22:47.50 | Fisker- | need to host it for legendary patching |
| 22:47.54 | mxs | where does pixel have them from ? :) |
| 22:48.01 | |Pixel| | scp... |
| 22:48.11 | mxs | ah, official mirror ? :> |
| 22:48.21 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 22:48.26 | |Pixel| | you could say so |
| 22:48.28 | Fisker- | lets mess with him |Pixel| :I |
| 22:48.37 | mxs | I think I'm being hazed |
| 22:48.37 | mxs | :P |
| 22:48.38 | |Pixel| | go for it |
| 22:48.42 | Fisker- | he works at a company you problably know |
| 22:48.52 | mxs | ah. That would explain it. :) |
| 22:48.56 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: The 2.3.0 "It's Patch Day!" PSA & FAQ (14:43) - http://www.wowblues.com/us/the-230-its-patch-day-psa-amp-faq-1443-2856221186.html |
| 22:48.58 | Fisker- | it's not Thunderstorm LLC. btw |
| 22:49.06 | Fisker- | or Snowstorm |
| 22:49.12 | Fisker- | which would be more applicable |
| 22:49.13 | Fisker- | or whatever |
| 22:49.42 | Fisker- | Length: 913,540,356 (871M) [application/octet-stream] |
| 22:49.42 | Fisker- | 40% [==============================================> ] 373,371,192 263.04K/s ETA 14:52w |
| 22:49.44 | Fisker- | not fair |
| 22:49.45 | |Pixel| | I can't even do any play on word on french |
| 22:49.53 | |Pixel| | 'coz it's the same word |
| 22:50.10 | mxs | the only part of the distribution system I have not yet bothered to automatically leech from are the MacOS X incremental patches (I never bothered to check the order of files in the torrent, and it's a ROYAL pita to extract dozens of files from your pieces :) |
| 22:50.34 | Fisker- | yeah the torrents are packaged in the .dmg files right? |
| 22:50.52 | mxs | Fisker-: the universal patches are available on NOTSOSECRETIP/WoW-2.3.0-enUS-patch.exe/0 through 3500 or so |
| 22:50.55 | Fisker- | someone should write a util for that |
| 22:51.08 | Fisker- | ah |
| 22:51.13 | mxs | no, the patchsequencefile-referenced files are MPQs |
| 22:51.18 | mxs | easily extractable |
| 22:51.28 | Fisker- | so /0 denotes a tracker "data-part"? |
| 22:51.32 | mxs | they contain the downloader.app with the download.torrent in the resources subfolder |
| 22:51.39 | mxs | it denotes the piecenumber of the torrent, yes |
| 22:52.02 | mxs | for universal patches on windows, since it's a single file, you can just cat them together and you have the original file |
| 22:52.26 | mxs | then create a torrent with the proper tracker url and piecesize 2^18 and you get to check the info_hash against blizzard servers |
| 22:52.40 | mxs | that is if the torrent tracker has already caught up to the direct download servers, which is often not the case in Europe |
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| 22:53.23 | Fisker- | nooooo |
| 22:53.24 | Fisker- | we lost |
| 22:53.48 | Fisker- | 4 more horrible years |
| 22:54.22 | mxs | the files referenced in patchsequencefile are all MPQs and all contain torrents. Sadly the /update/-directory gets those mpqs only quite a bit after the pieces are already on the ddl servers |
| 22:54.28 | Fisker- | i think the next time there's elections here we should just print "<insert here> are retards, why would you want to vote for retards?" |
| 22:54.36 | Fisker- | seems to work well for the guys who won |
| 22:55.03 | pcj | you lost to the gays? |
| 22:55.32 | Fisker- | yup |
| 22:55.39 | pcj | :( |
| 22:55.51 | mxs | |Pixel|: btw, is there any chance at all Blizzard will offer publically confirmable checksums of patchfiles any time soon ? They used to be posted by blues on the Europe forums, and are regularly seen on wowchina.com, though sadly not in the US/AU locale :) |
| 22:56.53 | |Pixel| | ? |
| 22:56.58 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: BG Dailies - http://www.wowblues.com/us/bg-dailies-2855963526.html |
| 22:57.06 | |Pixel| | not in the US/AU locale ? |
| 22:57.09 | |Pixel| | what does that mean ? |
| 22:57.11 | Bagginsw | kirkburn wowwik is taking too long to laod but did ":>" attack me on my talk page? |
| 22:57.21 | Bagginsw | there is a new post called "You are blind" |
| 22:57.27 | mxs | for US patches, you cannot find official MD5 checksums. |
| 22:57.35 | |Pixel| | what's "AU" ? |
| 22:57.39 | mxs | for EU patches you can go to the tech support forum, for china patches you can go to the official wow site in china |
| 22:57.41 | |Pixel| | australia ? :) |
| 22:57.43 | mxs | Australia |
| 22:57.43 | winkiller | remember there is no au |
| 22:58.07 | Kirkburn | "find jesus, before it is too late" |
| 22:58.12 | Kirkburn | Is what he said |
| 22:58.24 | winkiller | "this is not the md5sum you are looking for *wave*" |
| 22:58.46 | Bagginsw | if he didI've warned him about personal attacks |
| 22:58.52 | Bagginsw | he's going to get his ban |
| 22:58.58 | Kirkburn | Nah, he's throwing the baby out with the bathwater |
| 22:59.07 | Kirkburn | {{sd}}-ing *all* his pages |
| 22:59.28 | Bagginsw | what did he post? |
| 22:59.41 | Kirkburn | "find jesus, before it is too late" |
| 22:59.49 | Kirkburn | And also put {{sd}} on your talk page |
| 22:59.53 | mxs | |Pixel|: Currently I do make checksums for all the patches I can get my hands on, but wirebrain is just a third party site :) |
| 22:59.56 | Bagginsw | on my talk page I mean |
| 23:00.06 | Kirkburn | Yes, THAT |
| 23:00.14 | Kirkburn | I've said it twice :P |
| 23:00.32 | pcj | Baggins, he put {{sd}} on your talk page |
| 23:01.46 | Kirkburn | It's possible it was a mistake, don't rule that out |
| 23:02.14 | Bagginsw | uh huh... seems he lacks any maturity at all |
| 23:02.14 | pcj | Nah, would seem to fit |
| 23:02.18 | Kirkburn | But I think of all people to tell to find Jesus, Bagginsww was an odd choice |
| 23:02.32 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Jamvaru |
| 23:02.43 | pcj | Kirkburn: Yeah, Adys would be my first choice |
| 23:02.54 | Bagginsw | considering I'm a christian LOL |
| 23:03.01 | Bagginsw | and it has nothing to do with warcraft |
| 23:03.23 | Kirkburn | indeed :) |
| 23:03.25 | Fisker- | btw |Pixel| it's not like anyone will notice a missing patch |
| 23:03.29 | Fisker- | after all, it's shareware! |
| 23:03.33 | Hobinheim|work | later people |
| 23:03.39 | Fisker- | bai |
| 23:03.40 | Kirkburn | toodles |
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| 23:03.56 | Kirkburn | I think is misinterpreted what we were saying though - we weren't saying "don't add this info", just "not here" |
| 23:04.29 | Bagginsw | ya really mature :p |
| 23:04.55 | Bagginsw | move does not equate to "delete" |
| 23:05.01 | pcj | *merge |
| 23:05.35 | Bagginsw | merge yes |
| 23:06.02 | mxs | Fisker-: I HATE missing patches ! Probably the reason my patches/ folder is > 120gb now :> |
| 23:06.03 | pcj | looks like curse is having trouble mxs |
| 23:06.15 | mxs | pcj: as predicted ;) |
| 23:06.49 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Jamvaru |
| 23:08.05 | Bagginsw | well ttfn. |
| 23:08.23 | Kirkburn | see ya |
| 23:08.54 | Fisker- | well i host patches for my guild |
| 23:09.10 | mxs | Fisker-: as do I ... and a "couple" other people :P |
| 23:09.40 | mxs | it's using up 260mbit/s atm |
| 23:09.45 | Fisker- | hope the servers come up early tomorrow |
| 23:09.47 | Fisker- | but i doubt it :P |
| 23:10.32 | Kirkburn | "Soulstone animation now appears on the target of the stone and not the casting warlock." <-- yay |
| 23:10.45 | Kirkburn | The kind of change that would have been sensible two years ago :P |
| 23:12.32 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Level 1-60 in less than 6 days - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/13/level-1-60-in-less-than-6-days/ |
| 23:13.00 | Fisker- | OH MY GOD |
| 23:13.07 | Fisker- | just stop failing already |
| 23:13.17 | Fisker- | Less than 6 days is not an achievement |
| 23:13.21 | Fisker- | it's been done in less than 5 days |
| 23:13.21 | mxs | Fisker-: what's failing ? :) |
| 23:13.46 | Fisker- | someone leveled from 1-60 on the PTR in 5 days and 20 hours if i'm not mistaken |
| 23:14.01 | Fisker- | but it's easily been beaten before |
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| 23:16.12 | mxs | 6 days real time or 6 days played ? |
| 23:16.24 | Fisker- | played |
| 23:16.38 | Fisker- | though |
| 23:16.52 | Fisker- | to be fair the "record" isn't 6 days real time either |
| 23:16.56 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: So AV's supposed to be dead now right? - http://www.wowblues.com/us/so-avs-supposed-to-be-dead-now-right-2856223599.html |
| 23:17.00 | Fisker- | the ptr record is closer to that |
| 23:17.20 | Fisker- | atleast he claims he did it mostly without any kind of rested exp |
| 23:17.26 | Fisker- | whereas the record did use rested exp |
| 23:17.40 | Fisker- | i've seen some paladins level to 70 in a bit over 5 days played though |
| 23:19.32 | Fisker- | i think the real records will start touching 3 days |
| 23:23.04 | Fisker- | it seems like they improved the main menu's cpu usage |
| 23:23.11 | Fisker- | on multi core processors |
| 23:23.26 | Fisker- | sleep tiem |
| 23:23.26 | Fisker- | bai |
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| 23:29.02 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: Dunno if 2.3 fixed this or not - http://www.wowblues.com/us/dunno-if-23-fixed-this-or-not-2856203010.html |
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| 23:36.26 | mxs | well, off to hiyal. :) |
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| 23:38.19 | Mustafah | gl hf |
| 23:38.33 | deltron | hyjal? it's a ZA night lol |
| 23:41.10 | mxs | 2day endgame clear and then enough time for everything else :) |
| 23:41.46 | foxlit | hyjal > ZA, np |
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| 23:57.07 | mxs | woohoo, ragechill at 2%, server crashes |
| 23:57.49 | Corgan | gg :( |
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| 23:59.52 | mxs | "No Instance Servers Available" yupp, this is gonna be a fun raiding night :) |
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