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| 00:05.09 | zeal | fandyllic does know "clear: all" doesn't do anything right? :S |
| 00:13.12 | foxlit | it's clear: both :/ |
| 00:13.57 | foxlit | !jobqueue |
| 00:13.59 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 53817 doing ~ job/s, done in approx. 0secs. |
| 00:14.07 | foxlit | grr |
| 00:14.12 | zeal | yeah, that's what he changed it from. essentially he's invalidated the css, so that style isn't doing anything, heh. |
| 00:14.15 | kd3|hate`net | and a random "eek" at the jobqueue |
| 00:14.28 | zeal | trying to figure out why i put clear: both on it in the first place though. |
| 00:14.32 | foxlit | It's three edits in a bloody row to Tooltip |
| 00:14.36 | zeal | aye |
| 00:15.49 | zeal | ok, well now i figured that out. i dunno what issue he was having, as i've tested misc items and it's fine :s |
| 00:16.14 | foxlit | May depend on the browser |
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| 00:17.03 | foxlit | How about we move all the CSS out of that template? |
| 00:17.16 | zeal | excellent idea ;) |
| 00:18.20 | foxlit | Haha, editing http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Talkpagedoc would also invalidate Tooltip |
| 00:19.42 | zeal | clear: both is never to avoid any conflicts with the icon when people might have a smaller font. basically it pushed the type and slot lines down to accomidate the icon if it's too big. without it, type will instead jump up to the same line as the icon when that happens and completely mess up the layout. |
| 00:19.53 | zeal | *is there to avoid |
| 00:20.55 | zeal | neither in firefox or ie can i find any issues with misc items. been nice if fandyllic talked about it first, lol. |
| 00:33.34 | pcj | lol does fandy ever even come on irc |
| 00:34.23 | bleeter | ~lastseen fandyllic |
| 00:34.31 | bleeter | tho I've prolly failed @ that command |
| 00:34.49 | pcj | and his name |
| 00:34.53 | pcj | ~seen fandyllic |
| 00:34.56 | infobot | fandyllic <n=Fandylli@63.175.18.130> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 429d 23h 4m 7s ago, saying: 'i'm off... good luck all AddOn authors and your Lua struggles'. |
| 00:35.02 | pcj | hah maybe not |
| 00:35.29 | bleeter | 429d?? |
| 00:36.04 | bleeter | I'm sure i've seen fandy since 429d's ago |
| 00:38.07 | pcj | probably on with a different nick or when infobot was off |
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| 01:31.26 | Keofox | hi |
| 01:31.36 | Keofox | Comcast sucks ;p |
| 01:31.49 | pcj | :o |
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| 02:29.43 | zeal | hm.. apparently i don't talk in the afternoon :o |
| 02:30.19 | pcj | k |
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| 04:03.41 | Sky2042 | whoa... |
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| 04:06.31 | Kirkburn | Heh - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2856018454&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 |
| 04:06.45 | Kirkburn | ^ apparently Hortus may have made a WoWWiki account |
| 04:07.04 | Sky2042 | we noticed ;) |
| 04:07.55 | Kirkburn | So I now notice :P |
| 04:07.58 | Kirkburn | yay for bleeter |
| 04:08.49 | bleeter | as I said in my post to him on the forums, I couldn't care less if that's really him posting the info or not, just as long as the info's accurate |
| 04:09.32 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: http://www.wowhead.com/?forums&topic=2688&p=27899 whoa |
| 04:11.11 | Kirkburn | Oh god, I remember that once appeared on the wiki |
| 04:11.57 | Sky2042 | ? |
| 04:15.37 | Kirkburn | The Cow Level |
| 04:15.41 | Kirkburn | It's not new :P |
| 04:22.10 | Zeal | heh, not seen it myself |
| 04:26.48 | Kirkburn | >_> |
| 04:27.02 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 04:27.09 | Kirkburn | ooh, wow, Xbox 360s outsold PS3 in JAPAN last week |
| 04:28.14 | Kirkburn | http://www.joystiq.com/2007/11/09/xbox-360-outsells-ps3-in-japan/ |
| 04:29.07 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 04:29.40 | Kirkburn | And now I run off to have a shower :P |
| 04:29.49 | Sky2042 | weaksauce |
| 04:30.24 | Kirkburn | It's only cause people didn't get back to me :/ |
| 04:30.47 | Kirkburn | I wonder if we should have a requests for adminship page |
| 04:31.04 | Sky2042 | not enough people work on the wiki, i think. |
| 04:31.15 | Sky2042 | which is both good and bad for the prospective admin |
| 04:31.19 | Kirkburn | o_O |
| 04:31.32 | Kirkburn | You realise we're pretty much the second biggest wiki in the world, behind Wikipedia? |
| 04:31.48 | Sky2042 | doubtless the most visited, but not the biggest :P |
| 04:32.32 | Sky2042 | and, from what i've seen on wp, it's genearlly those that are firmly established wpedians (1k+ edits) that are involved in the process |
| 04:33.43 | Kirkburn | Well, not really suggesting anything big, just a page for that type of discussion |
| 04:34.33 | Kirkburn | like http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Effect_Wiki:Requests_for_adminship |
| 04:35.19 | Sky2042 | love the warning |
| 04:35.23 | Sky2042 | now /that' |
| 04:35.29 | Sky2042 | now /that's/ not needed |
| 04:35.48 | Sky2042 | ack |
| 04:35.53 | Sky2042 | that was added today, basically. |
| 04:35.59 | Sky2042 | new wiki, eh? :P |
| 04:36.41 | Kirkburn | yup |
| 04:36.58 | Kirkburn | Been quiet for a while, now we're nearing release it's really perked up |
| 04:37.19 | Sky2042 | hehe |
| 04:38.08 | Sky2042 | cat just put claws into me |
| 04:38.10 | Sky2042 | owwww |
| 04:43.25 | Sky2042 | ooo, suggestion for wowhead popped into head |
| 04:43.50 | Sky2042 | except, it's a bad one |
| 04:43.52 | Sky2042 | oh well |
| 04:45.46 | bleeter | you know if you had an adminship request page |
| 04:45.55 | bleeter | I'd just spam it for self-requests to hell and back |
| 04:45.58 | bleeter | just to piss you off :P |
| 04:47.18 | Sky2042 | and you'd probably end up blocked :P |
| 04:47.36 | bleeter | tor ftw! |
| 04:47.44 | Sky2042 | mmm? |
| 04:47.54 | Sky2042 | explica |
| 04:48.11 | bleeter | http://www.torproject.org/ |
| 04:51.25 | Sky2042 | and? you'll probably end up blocked in the end anyway; it's just you're going to waste time. ;) |
| 04:58.21 | Sky2042 | do we have any pictures of arthas non-corrupted? :| |
| 05:02.13 | Zeal | i'd request just to piss everyone off ;) |
| 05:03.01 | Zeal | hm.. let's test these changes to my away script, see if i can bug you all less. |
| 05:03.11 | bleeter | Sky2042: I just realised you probably interpreted my desire was to piss you off, which couldn't be further from the truth |
| 05:03.17 | bleeter | it's kirkburn i'm trying to piss off |
| 05:03.23 | Sky2042 | i realize that |
| 05:03.36 | Sky2042 | and no, he'd end up blocking you either way :P |
| 05:04.09 | bleeter | thing is, though, got too much respect for the man to be able to come up with the energy to even try to piss him off |
| 05:04.14 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 05:04.27 | bleeter | I prefer to just rant about how I'd like to piss him off, if I could ;) |
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| 05:04.50 | bleeter | my respect comes from a mutual interest |
| 05:04.52 | bleeter | boobies |
| 05:05.31 | Sky2042 | isn't that a shared interest of <s>all</s> most males...? |
| 05:05.36 | Sky2042 | (darn) |
| 05:07.14 | bleeter | MUST HAVE! http://nerdapproved.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/devo-action-figure.jpg |
| 05:07.34 | bleeter | Sky2042: and shags |
| 05:07.41 | bleeter | Sky2042: birds in general, really |
| 05:07.45 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 05:10.46 | Zeal | bah, works i think. |
| 05:11.06 | Zeal | wtb an away event in mirc tbh. |
| 05:12.59 | Sky2042 | yeah... that's why i swtiched to chatzilla |
| 05:13.28 | Sky2042 | but most people can tell you're away... that whole decapssing thing |
| 05:13.38 | Zeal | oh i know |
| 05:14.04 | Zeal | i just wanted to make it so i only notify you once per message away state. |
| 05:14.47 | Zeal | omfg, after all that time and thinking it was hopeless, i find $isid for checking if the alias was called as an indentifier.. bah. |
| 05:16.22 | Sky2042 | in other news, i got my braces off today |
| 05:16.25 | Sky2042 | i r so happy. |
| 05:18.24 | Zeal | dentists suck.. |
| 05:23.38 | Inside | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.54 | Kirkburn | Tomorrow I think |
| 05:24.14 | Inside | ymm |
| 05:24.17 | Inside | thanks |
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| 05:32.25 | bleeter | congrats, Sky2042 |
| 05:32.51 | Sky2042 | thanks :P |
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| 05:59.43 | Inside | hmmm |
| 05:59.46 | Inside | wow calendar says the 12th? |
| 06:00.00 | Sky2042 | ? |
| 06:00.02 | Inside | or are they there until the 12th.. |
| 06:00.07 | Inside | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/events/calendar/ |
| 06:00.10 | Inside | the darkmoon faire |
| 06:00.18 | Inside | they're there until the 12th.. but are closing down for the last 3 days? |
| 06:09.29 | Sky2042 | zeal, you fail. |
| 06:09.37 | Zeal | hm? |
| 06:09.52 | Sky2042 | are you going to be here or not? :P |
| 06:11.11 | Zeal | testing |
| 06:11.35 | Zeal | trying to code some event like hooks |
| 06:13.30 | Sky2042 | thank god we didn't make a gnome icon |
| 06:14.34 | Sky2042 | kirkburn, so pushy |
| 06:14.37 | Sky2042 | :P |
| 06:15.02 | Kirkburn | o_O |
| 06:15.09 | Sky2042 | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Proposed_icon/Archive01 |
| 06:16.06 | Kirkburn | Hey look, it's Zeal's catchphrase "Democracy ftl" |
| 06:16.20 | Zeal | close enough ;) |
| 06:16.38 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 06:16.43 | Kirkburn | I'd only been on the wiki about two weeks at the time |
| 06:16.55 | Sky2042 | zomg, kirkburn was a nub at some point? |
| 06:17.37 | Kirkburn | Mikk and I were a great partnership |
| 06:18.24 | Sky2042 | my school /still/ hasn't upgraded to ie6 :/ |
| 06:18.32 | Sky2042 | s/ie6/ie7/ |
| 06:19.04 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 06:20.59 | Zeal | "I have a version with gnome :-D" hehe |
| 06:21.21 | Kirkburn | Zeal, seems I forgot I levelled a rogue to 20 with Mikk ... such a long time ago though :( |
| 06:21.27 | Zeal | lol |
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| 06:27.16 | Kirkburn | BE starting areas are so much nicer than the NE ones though, imo |
| 06:27.47 | Kirkburn | e.g. you can actually SEE stuff |
| 06:28.33 | Kirkburn | Half the time in Darkshore I try and attack bushes |
| 06:29.05 | Sky2042 | LOL |
| 06:29.13 | Sky2042 | ok, that's just pathetic. :P |
| 06:31.22 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 06:31.31 | Kirkburn | Well, I play during night-time |
| 06:31.55 | Lukian | Kirkburn, ahahha XD |
| 06:32.14 | Lukian | umm |
| 06:32.18 | Zeal | i bet you do ;) |
| 06:32.19 | Lukian | I can't drink for some reason |
| 06:32.34 | Lukian | I also target things and it says invalid target |
| 06:32.42 | Lukian | but i can melee and my pet attacks fine.. |
| 06:33.35 | Lukian | I can't loot either :( |
| 06:33.55 | Kirkburn | Probably just server lag |
| 06:34.01 | Lukian | oh, shift /alt key was stuck :( |
| 06:34.07 | Zeal | i hate having to tokenize. wtb arrays in mirc.. |
| 06:34.18 | Zeal | lol |
| 06:39.06 | Sky2042 | loooooooool |
| 06:40.17 | Lukian | I love not being able to pull aggro off my pet ^^ |
| 06:40.32 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 06:40.43 | Kirkburn | For me to do it, I have to spam Arcane Shot |
| 06:41.03 | Kirkburn | Oh and steady shot continuously |
| 06:41.36 | Lukian | I'm opening with aimed shot and spamming arcane and multi :D |
| 06:41.40 | Lukian | don't have steady yet :( |
| 06:42.00 | Kirkburn | What spec? |
| 06:42.10 | Lukian | BM and I use a boar :D |
| 06:42.41 | Lukian | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cE0hzgxRzuZVxbo |
| 06:43.15 | Lukian | !c US Jubei'Thos Zandor |
| 06:44.32 | Lukian | battling Ice Thistle's atm, and my pet is frozen about 20% of the time too :p |
| 06:46.04 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 06:48.03 | Zeal | yay! |
| 06:48.04 | Zeal | did it |
| 06:48.46 | Kirkburn | Did what? |
| 06:49.45 | Zeal | made an alias for hooking aliases into away and back "events" |
| 06:50.39 | Kirkburn | Yay level 10 :P |
| 06:51.46 | Zeal | basically "/away" now also calls "/away_hook [away|back]" and that executes the tokenised commands saved in corresponding vars. and you can add new hooks with "/away_hook add [away|back] <command>" |
| 06:52.02 | Zeal | basic |
| 06:52.07 | Zeal | but, not seen it done. |
| 06:52.35 | Zeal | and allows me to hook into my seperate scripts so they can add mroe functionality to each other. |
| 06:52.53 | Zeal | in this case, disabling song downloads while i'm away. |
| 07:00.58 | Zeal | which was the whole point of why i started really, and now it's done ^_^ |
| 07:01.11 | Zeal | food time, doubt i'll be back. nn all |
| 07:01.17 | Kirkburn | See ya |
| 07:01.45 | zeal | Kirkburn, wanna test the fixes to notifications? ;) |
| 07:01.59 | Kirkburn | What fixes to what? |
| 07:02.21 | zeal | it should now only notify you when you say my name while i'm away once per away state. |
| 07:02.38 | Kirkburn | zeal, orly? |
| 07:02.49 | Kirkburn | No notification at all :P |
| 07:02.49 | zeal | bug ftw, ty :P |
| 07:03.09 | Kirkburn | zeal, orly? |
| 07:04.02 | zeal | think i fixed it now |
| 07:04.28 | zeal | shame events are remote so i can't test it myself. |
| 07:04.36 | Kirkburn | zeal, orly? |
| 07:04.44 | zeal | hm.. |
| 07:04.44 | Kirkburn | Twice >_< |
| 07:04.45 | zeal | lol |
| 07:05.15 | zeal | forgot to tokenize :x |
| 07:05.22 | Kirkburn | >_< |
| 07:05.23 | zeal | oh well, will fix that tomorrow, ty. |
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| 08:25.56 | Voluspa | Kirkburn <3 |
| 08:28.25 | Voluspa | Ho hoo! Morning! |
| 08:29.12 | xyphaetyl | morning |
| 08:30.01 | Voluspa | I guess Kirkburn's still sleeping :) |
| 08:30.51 | Voluspa | But you know, the morning elf gets the epics! |
| 08:31.42 | xyphaetyl | lol |
| 08:32.07 | Kirkburn | The morning elf is killing trolls in Zeb'watha actually |
| 08:32.53 | Voluspa | Ok, I'll have my share later then. |
| 08:33.10 | Voluspa | Xyphaetyl, we're all demanding our share of Kirkburn |
| 08:33.36 | Voluspa | You should do that aswell or there won't be anything left. |
| 08:33.48 | xyphaetyl | *jumps on band wagon* |
| 08:34.01 | xyphaetyl | could I get my queue ticket number, please? |
| 08:35.00 | Voluspa | 153 |
| 08:35.06 | xyphaetyl | :( |
| 08:35.22 | Voluspa | Current number: 4 -- trolls. |
| 08:35.35 | xyphaetyl | I guess I can go through WoWWiki annoying everyone by correcting their grammar until such a time as Kirkburn is available :P |
| 08:36.02 | Voluspa | Hehe, do it. :) |
| 08:36.43 | Voluspa | ~Karma |
| 08:36.43 | infobot | voluspa has neutral karma |
| 08:36.53 | xyphaetyl | have been for the last 3 hours |
| 08:36.53 | Voluspa | :( |
| 08:36.59 | xyphaetyl | ~Karma |
| 08:36.59 | infobot | xyphaetyl has neutral karma |
| 08:37.01 | Voluspa | Ok. |
| 08:37.07 | Adys | voluspa-- |
| 08:37.09 | Voluspa | Infobot, love me |
| 08:37.10 | infobot | If you love voluspa so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 08:37.18 | Voluspa | Yes, Adys? |
| 08:37.24 | xyphaetyl | infobots are awesome |
| 08:37.33 | Voluspa | Are there more? |
| 08:37.46 | Voluspa | I would love to have my own bot: Volubot! |
| 08:38.21 | xyphaetyl | infobot, info |
| 08:38.28 | xyphaetyl | or... |
| 08:38.29 | xyphaetyl | :( |
| 08:38.40 | xyphaetyl | infobot: about |
| 08:38.41 | infobot | http://www.infobot.org/ - /msg infobot help for a list of commands - http://www.infobot.org/guide-0.43.x.html for a guide |
| 08:38.47 | xyphaetyl | there it is |
| 08:39.09 | xyphaetyl | I like infobots because they will still talk to me when no one else will |
| 08:39.11 | Voluspa | It should be a bot that spewed out random Bible quotes and bothered everyone. Can it do that^^? |
| 08:39.25 | xyphaetyl | there is probably some tcl module for it |
| 08:39.37 | Voluspa | ~kARMA |
| 08:39.37 | infobot | voluspa has neutral karma |
| 08:39.38 | xyphaetyl | "Holierthanthoubot" |
| 08:39.47 | xyphaetyl | infobot: xyphaetyl? |
| 08:39.50 | Voluspa | Hehe. |
| 08:39.54 | Voluspa | No, not like that |
| 08:40.09 | Voluspa | ~xyphaetyl |
| 08:40.30 | Voluspa | Infobot, xypaetyl is someone who likes to talk to infobots |
| 08:40.31 | infobot | okay, Voluspa |
| 08:41.08 | xyphaetyl | ~xyphaetyl |
| 08:41.08 | infobot | somebody said xyphaetyl was so super awesome. I have never met anyone as awesome as him |
| 08:41.08 | Voluspa | Voluspa++ |
| 08:41.16 | xyphaetyl | win. |
| 08:41.20 | Voluspa | What? |
| 08:41.30 | Voluspa | ... |
| 08:41.51 | xyphaetyl | hey don't ask me |
| 08:41.57 | xyphaetyl | I guess infobot became self-aware |
| 08:42.02 | xyphaetyl | and realised how awesome I am |
| 08:42.08 | Voluspa | Bad infobot! Do as you're told! |
| 08:42.12 | xyphaetyl | hehe |
| 08:43.08 | Voluspa | Would you like to see something funny? |
| 08:43.30 | xyphaetyl | who? me or the infobot? |
| 08:43.39 | Voluspa | You ;) |
| 08:43.46 | xyphaetyl | aye, indeed I would |
| 08:44.20 | Voluspa | You know what to do? |
| 08:44.25 | xyphaetyl | will it hurt? |
| 08:44.36 | Voluspa | Maybe, depends |
| 08:44.53 | xyphaetyl | I dunno, I've fallen for that one before... |
| 08:45.05 | Voluspa | I mean.. err... not at all |
| 08:45.25 | Voluspa | Hvo intet vover, intet vinner! |
| 08:45.31 | xyphaetyl | well alrighty then |
| 08:47.13 | xyphaetyl | I AWAIT THE FUNNAY! |
| 08:48.11 | Voluspa | You're supposed to do it |
| 08:48.59 | Voluspa | Ok, here's the plan: Go to channel Wowwiki-norge and I'll tell you |
| 08:49.13 | xyphaetyl | oh great, I knew it |
| 08:49.16 | xyphaetyl | this is gonna hurt |
| 08:50.07 | Voluspa | Waait! I didn't get to tell you the plan |
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| 08:55.51 | Voluspa | Welcome back, dok! |
| 08:56.54 | Voluspa | Adys, can you help me? |
| 08:57.02 | Voluspa | I need your help with something. |
| 08:57.05 | xyphaetyl | oh dear... |
| 08:57.17 | Voluspa | http://no.wow.wikia.com/wiki/Hovedside isn't working :( |
| 08:57.57 | Kirkburn | Not working how? |
| 08:59.52 | Adys | [09:57:13] <Voluspa> Adys, can you help me? |
| 08:59.58 | Adys | what do you need help with? |
| 09:00.44 | Voluspa | Take a look at it |
| 09:01.05 | Adys | thaty link works fine |
| 09:01.08 | Adys | -y |
| 09:01.08 | Voluspa | If you ignore the fact that it's really ugly and focus on the frames |
| 09:01.34 | Voluspa | Don't you see that one of the boxes have expanded waaaay beyond its borders |
| 09:02.04 | Adys | which one? |
| 09:02.50 | Adys | are you talking about the bottom left one? |
| 09:03.07 | Voluspa | The two in the middle |
| 09:05.01 | Adys | um |
| 09:05.28 | Adys | to fix it cleanly you'd have to split it into two tables |
| 09:05.37 | Adys | kirk can prob help better |
| 09:06.12 | Voluspa | Ah, thanks. I'll have to talk to Zizanzu first though. |
| 09:08.22 | Kirkburn | width doesn't use "pt", it uses "%" or "px" |
| 09:08.48 | Kirkburn | And what's with all the double tables? |
| 09:09.00 | Voluspa | I have no idea. I didn't make it |
| 09:09.10 | Voluspa | I'm just cheif translator. |
| 09:10.19 | Kirkburn | Complain at the maker and tell them to stop making it overcomplicated :) |
| 09:10.50 | Adys | the full-of-shitness of wowinsider is more and more impressive every day, hard time believing that was actually an enjoyable read a while ago |
| 09:10.51 | Kirkburn | Well, actually I'll edit it |
| 09:11.15 | Voluspa | Thanks Kirkburn :) |
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| 09:30.06 | Kirkburn | Voluspa, how about now? |
| 09:30.48 | Kirkburn | (this should be a lesson as to why not to copy and paste code without understand what the code does :) |
| 09:38.11 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: There's no point getting a UI now with 2.3 - http://www.wowblues.com/us/theres-no-point-getting-a-ui-now-with-23-2856139134.html |
| 09:44.41 | bleeter | Adys: wat? it used to be enjoyable? u lie! |
| 09:45.04 | bleeter | some bastard stole my +v again aaargh! ;) |
| 09:48.34 | Corgan | It was...ME! |
| 09:50.08 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+v bleeter] by Kirkburn |
| 09:50.13 | Kirkburn | Happy now? |
| 09:50.23 | Kalroth | Kirk is a meanie |
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| 09:52.12 | bleeter | probably not |
| 09:52.33 | bleeter | :P |
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| 09:59.39 | bleeter | a touch pointless, no? :P |
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| 10:01.11 | Voluspa | Back |
| 10:01.39 | Voluspa | The main box is still not working as intended :( |
| 10:01.44 | Voluspa | But thanks for your help :) |
| 10:01.53 | bleeter | \o/ |
| 10:02.15 | bleeter | nothing worse than when your main box ain't workin' |
| 10:02.53 | Corgan | \w/ |
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| 10:17.12 | bleeter | for Kirkburn |
| 10:17.42 | Kirkburn | Voluspa, what do you mean by "not working"? |
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| 10:21.02 | Voluspa | It is still wider than the main frame |
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| 10:24.16 | Kirkburn | That's just cause there's too many columns |
| 10:25.17 | Kirkburn | Reduce it to three or four |
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| 10:26.02 | Voluspa | Ok. Thanks :) |
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| 11:04.48 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Unconventional Group Makeup - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/10/unconventional-group-makeup/ |
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| 11:18.49 | Voluspa | What do they call the Lich King in Germany? |
| 11:23.08 | Fisker- | I don't think it's been localized yet |
| 11:23.38 | Fisker- | http://www.wow-europe.com/de/index.xml |
| 11:23.41 | Fisker- | if it's going to be |
| 11:28.53 | Voluspa | I'm trying to make up a Norwegian name, but the word lich is giving me problems! |
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| 11:30.40 | Voluspaa | back |
| 11:36.33 | Fisker- | well i think that lich is just like a name |
| 11:37.48 | Voluspaa | It's related to corpse |
| 11:38.01 | Voluspaa | Which in Norwegian is "lik" |
| 11:38.10 | Voluspaa | So I'll go for Daudekongen |
| 11:38.39 | Voluspaa | It means "He who lords over the dead" |
| 11:42.40 | Teomyr | Voluspaa, the german name for the lich king is a literal translation ("Lichknig") |
| 11:43.34 | Teomyr | whereas the expansion's title remains unchanged from the english version |
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| 11:46.37 | Voluspaa | What do you think is best? Daudekongen or Daudefyrsten? |
| 11:47.08 | Fisker- | neither |
| 11:48.55 | Lukian | agree with Fisker- . |
| 11:49.29 | Lukian | if you must.. the latter. |
| 11:50.15 | Voluspaa | Well, you're Danish. |
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| 13:46.00 | pcj | !jobqueue |
| 13:46.01 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 22733 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 6hrs 18mins 53secs. |
| 13:46.39 | xyphaetyl | job queue? |
| 13:51.32 | pcj | kirkburn, unlock http://www.wowwiki.com/Molten_Core_Loot for moving plz |
| 13:58.34 | winkiller | I got 4pc t1! |
| 13:58.40 | Kirkburn | Done |
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| 14:54.09 | winkiller | why the hell do I get Netherwing rep for playing a fel orc? |
| 14:54.30 | winkiller | halfweay revered and haven't gotten it |
| 14:55.24 | Arrowmaster | youre undercover |
| 14:56.19 | winkiller | but the goblin guy in the camp? |
| 14:59.55 | winkiller | the mine quests help the fel orcs. the relic qzuest damages em |
| 15:00.01 | winkiller | I just don't get it :P |
| 15:00.02 | winkiller | whatvee |
| 15:04.21 | Kaso | the idea is yu're doing them more harm than good, whilst slowly working yourself to a position where you can later deal a death blow to the orginsation |
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| 15:14.44 | [NewsBot] | GamePolitics: Texas TV News Report: Your Anti-game Bias is Showing - http://gamepolitics.com/2007/11/10/texas-news-report-on-wow-addiction-shows-anti-game-bias/ |
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| 15:19.54 | FroZen | nick FroZen |
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| 15:44.47 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Forum Post of the Day: The heroic badge gear QQ&A - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/10/forum-post-of-the-day-the-heroic-badge-gear-qqanda/ |
| 15:54.11 | [NewsBot] | WoWBlues: Realm Restart - Spinebreaker - 11/11/07 - http://www.wowblues.com/us/realm-restart-spinebreaker-111107-2856139311.html |
| 16:08.47 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: WTS: Merciless Nether Drake 3,000g PST - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/10/wts-merciless-nether-drake-3-000g-pst/ |
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| 16:29.35 | Voluspa | Hello *:) |
| 16:32.59 | winkiller | lol " Prot grinding is fine. It's slower than non-prot, but it's perfectly fine with the right gear (crit + block value). What I do, is put on shield spikes, pull 6-8 mobs in tank gear, troll the forums, then come back and loot" |
| 16:42.26 | Voluspa | Uh, ok.. |
| 16:42.34 | Voluspa | From Wowwiki? |
| 16:46.18 | winkiller | forums |
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| 16:57.46 | Lukian | hahahahah |
| 16:57.51 | Lukian | awesome winkiller |
| 16:58.23 | _dreamss | its a copy of the prot pally watching porn |
| 16:58.28 | winkiller | lol |
| 16:58.45 | winkiller | *fap* *fap* *consecrate* *fap* *fap* *consecrate*? |
| 16:58.51 | _dreamss | word |
| 16:58.58 | winkiller | hehe |
| 16:58.59 | Lukian | _dreamss, got a copy of the post? :D |
| 16:59.02 | Lukian | I might have one.. |
| 16:59.36 | _dreamss | http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/2584/paladins0gf.jpg |
| 16:59.37 | _dreamss | dude |
| 16:59.42 | _dreamss | google image search |
| 16:59.45 | _dreamss | 5seccond flat |
| 16:59.53 | Lukian | that's the one :D |
| 17:00.28 | _dreamss | http://images.google.com/images?q=why+play+a+pally&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADBF&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi <-- holly shit |
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| 17:04.44 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: WoW Moviewatch: Loz's Shadowstep - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/10/wow-moviewatch-lozs-shadowstep/ |
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| 17:34.25 | winkiller | oh lol. Savannah Cub <Savannah Matriarch's Pet> |
| 17:34.27 | winkiller | the minion change |
| 17:35.42 | pcj | what |
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| 17:50.04 | Voluspa | Too tooot! |
| 18:03.32 | moveax | Tell you what, healing in BGs is a real challenge :) |
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| 18:10.33 | Voluspa | Dotted! What are you going to vote? |
| 18:10.44 | Voluspa | Or perhaps he's busy voting? |
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| 18:20.12 | Voluspa | Fisker. Have you voted? |
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| 18:32.54 | CESAR| | hey guyss |
| 18:32.58 | CESAR| | i need help |
| 18:34.53 | moveax | Let me guess, you need help with asking questions? |
| 18:34.57 | CESAR| | anyone know what is the half naked emote /command? |
| 18:35.48 | zeal | /punchandpie |
| 18:36.24 | CESAR| | really? |
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| 18:37.44 | Zeal | no |
| 18:38.22 | CESAR| | ehh |
| 18:38.29 | CESAR| | just asking for help |
| 18:39.03 | moveax | What's a "half naked emote"? |
| 18:39.25 | CESAR| | the emote that's make you look half naked ingame |
| 18:39.30 | Keolah | ... |
| 18:39.40 | Keolah | You could just take off your armor :P |
| 18:39.42 | CESAR| | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.48 | CESAR| | nah |
| 18:40.07 | kd3|hate`net | there is no such emote |
| 18:40.12 | CESAR| | :D |
| 18:40.15 | CESAR| | n.p |
| 18:40.28 | Lukian | private server? |
| 18:40.31 | CESAR| | no |
| 18:40.41 | CESAR| | just take off the armor and put it in the bags? |
| 18:40.57 | Lukian | lol yeah.. |
| 18:41.00 | CESAR| | lol |
| 18:41.08 | kd3|hate`net | that can only be accomplished by model editing which can get people banned if they get caught |
| 18:41.52 | CESAR| | i'm playing retail |
| 18:41.53 | CESAR| | :) |
| 18:42.21 | Zeal | so, you take everything off and do /dance. that's it, nothing special. |
| 18:42.51 | Zeal | texture editing to be more exact though ;) |
| 18:42.58 | CESAR| | ohh i thought it's emote |
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| 18:43.15 | Lukian | lol! :D |
| 18:43.34 | Lukian | how do these people end up in this channel? |
| 18:43.53 | Keolah | I have noooo idea. |
| 18:44.09 | Keolah | And he didn't stay to idle all day forgetting about leaving the channel open? :p |
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| 18:44.12 | Keolah | What a loser! ;) |
| 18:44.26 | Zeal | lol |
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| 19:07.10 | Zeal | where is Aeroth? :p |
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| 19:10.14 | winkiller | anyone on EU servers got 5min to help? create a char aggramar horde and sign my guild charter :P |
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| 19:22.22 | Voluspa | Fisker? |
| 19:33.38 | winkiller | done |
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| 20:47.46 | Bagginsww | it would seem that gnomes were lumped under the Dwarves. |
| 20:47.52 | Bagginsww | in the early alliance |
| 20:48.02 | Zeal | poor gnomes, must have hurt. |
| 20:48.14 | Bagginsww | well its been implied since the rpg too |
| 20:48.30 | Bagginsww | rpg implies that the dwarves represented Khaz Modan and the gnomes |
| 20:48.42 | Bagginsww | at the alliance meetings |
| 20:48.52 | Zeal | makes sense i guess |
| 20:49.10 | Bagginsww | and Lands of Conflict implies that gnomeregan is just a city within Khaz Modan |
| 20:49.21 | Zeal | which it is, no/ |
| 20:49.23 | Zeal | *? |
| 20:49.45 | Bagginsww | well its kind ofa city-state in its own right, although not confirmed |
| 20:49.56 | Bagginsww | High Tinker is pretty powerful position |
| 20:50.12 | Bagginsww | especially since they can call themselves 'king of the gnomes' LOL |
| 20:50.18 | Zeal | within the gnomish "empire", sure :P |
| 20:50.27 | Bagginsww | really isn't much of a gnomish empire though ;) |
| 20:50.33 | Zeal | exactly |
| 20:51.02 | Bagginsww | best I can tell Dwarves let them build the city in their lands, and they must still be bound by the rules of the greater mountain king |
| 20:51.19 | Bagginsww | its not a big issue since they are cousins and friends |
| 20:53.03 | Bagginsww | also even if you go back warcraft II manual I think it made a big deal about how the alliance was "elves, dwarves, and humans"? |
| 20:53.23 | Bagginsww | it also implied gnomes were in it through the dwarves |
| 20:53.59 | Zeal | god, pissing me off. on my last pc, i had taken my music script far beyond what it is now, and started adding a player within mrc, but i can't find the code for it anymore and had to continue on from an older version of the script without it. Only remnants i have of it existing is the psd, bmp for the skin and a screenshot of it in action. :/ |
| 20:54.18 | Zeal | yeah |
| 20:55.09 | Zeal | they're under the dwarves in terms of rules and land. |
| 20:55.24 | Zeal | so makes sense within the alliance they don't have an independant voice. |
| 20:58.01 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 20:58.11 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Alliance_of_Lordaeron |
| 20:58.14 | Bagginsww | I've cleaned it up |
| 20:58.19 | Bagginsww | added the new material |
| 21:00.50 | Fisker- | LOL ALLIANCE BIAS |
| 21:01.58 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 21:02.20 | Bagginsww | http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/wowissue0_pg3.jpg |
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| 21:05.19 | Zeal | don't be surprised if i crash suddenly, heh. |
| 21:06.35 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 21:08.11 | Zeal | originality plx |
| 21:08.21 | Zeal | don't copy thrall's story.. |
| 21:09.23 | Bagginsww | he's different thoguh |
| 21:09.33 | Bagginsww | we already knew there alot of orcs in the gladiator matches |
| 21:09.41 | Zeal | we did? |
| 21:09.43 | Bagginsww | thrall was "born into it" so to speak |
| 21:09.52 | Bagginsww | where as reghar was sold into it |
| 21:10.17 | Zeal | novel very clearly implied thrall was the only one. |
| 21:10.36 | Bagginsww | Well its been a while since I read the parts in Lord of the Clans but I think there were a few parts discussing others he saw in the arenas. |
| 21:11.00 | Bagginsww | although I think it was implying they were being sent to the internment camps |
| 21:11.19 | Zeal | atleast definitely the first, maybe not the last but i'll go with the fact none were mentoned after his appearance in the matches and things crumbled after he stopped. |
| 21:11.29 | Zeal | yeah |
| 21:12.15 | Zeal | iirc the only other orcs he saw around was those going ot camps or those being used as slave labour. |
| 21:12.27 | Bagginsww | but ya reghar was born on Draenor and has pretty much been a gladiator for the entire time |
| 21:12.34 | Bagginsww | at first for the ogres |
| 21:12.44 | Bagginsww | he was captured by the ogres as a child |
| 21:13.05 | Bagginsww | http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2007/11/09/exclusive-read-world-of-warcraft-issue-0-right-here |
| 21:13.11 | Bagginsww | actually you can read the whole bit there |
| 21:13.23 | Zeal | don't you hate it when windows says "this folder is in use, i can't move it so i'm going to be compltely tarded and end your huge transfer of files abbruptly without letting you know where i left off so you can easily continue.." |
| 21:13.41 | Zeal | especially when the folder isn't really in use.. just windows is 'tarded like that.. |
| 21:13.42 | Bagginsww | :p |
| 21:13.52 | Zeal | was moving about 15gb of files.. |
| 21:14.03 | Zeal | now i need to find out what moved and what didn't.. |
| 21:15.16 | foxlit | "moving"? Goodbye, data, goodbye! |
| 21:15.48 | Bagginsww | :p |
| 21:15.50 | Zeal | heh |
| 21:15.55 | Zeal | erm, lol |
| 21:16.05 | Bagginsww | well as soon as I finish looking over this comic I must get back to page 5 of my research paper :p |
| 21:16.10 | Bagginsww | page 5 of 7 :p |
| 21:16.29 | Zeal | whats the release date again? :S |
| 21:16.40 | Bagginsww | 14th for issue 1? |
| 21:17.04 | Bagginsww | if they come out with a tpb of the first story arc they better toss the prologue into it |
| 21:17.22 | Zeal | ty |
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| 21:17.43 | Zeal | i hope they don't, wish they'd just stick to one format. |
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| 21:18.32 | Zeal | i hate books period, appreciate not having bought flimsy comics and then they release a tpb which i'd rather have.. |
| 21:18.37 | SumakoSaitoh | this is cool |
| 21:18.38 | Bagginsww | is it me or does that imply that orcs still have slavery? |
| 21:18.55 | Zeal | what does? |
| 21:19.05 | Bagginsww | zeal the biggest issue with comics vs. tpbs I noticed was that not every issue ends up in tpbs :p |
| 21:19.14 | Bagginsww | especially the one or two shot stories :p |
| 21:19.25 | Bagginsww | then you have to hunt those down :p |
| 21:19.29 | Bagginsww | its annoying |
| 21:19.41 | Zeal | bad tpb then :p |
| 21:19.46 | Bagginsww | have you been reading the issue 0 link I sent you? |
| 21:19.59 | Bagginsww | well Star Wars was notorious for it, :p |
| 21:20.01 | Zeal | looking now, bit lagged ofc atm ;) |
| 21:20.07 | Bagginsww | see if a one shot or two shot didn't sell well |
| 21:20.24 | Bagginsww | they didn't deem it worthy to be released as an extra with one of the other tpbs |
| 21:20.34 | Bagginsww | sometimes they'd even skip entire arcs if they didn't sell well enough |
| 21:20.43 | Zeal | "online-only" sure.. that's why it was released as a preview comic at a con before it was announced.. nabs. |
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| 21:21.17 | Bagginsww | there were a few arcs in old republic comics and clone wars that never made it to tpb |
| 21:21.28 | Bagginsww | simply because they didn't sell enough originally |
| 21:21.48 | Bagginsww | I think that practice continued into Empire comics |
| 21:21.57 | Bagginsww | but I stopped following star wars at that point |
| 21:22.05 | Bagginsww | hobbie was too expensive |
| 21:22.11 | Bagginsww | and I didn't like the direction it was taking |
| 21:23.56 | Zeal | lag is fun.. clicked to create a new folder, nothing happened, clicked again and got "New Folder (2)" named it, changed windows for a second, come back, and it's highlighting to rename "New Folder" as if i just clicked for a new folder.. lol |
| 21:24.38 | Bagginsww | yep they definitely still had slavery |
| 21:24.51 | Bagginsww | bloodeye had to buy his freedom from reghar |
| 21:25.17 | Bagginsww | Wow I don't understand why thrall allows slavery, considering he was a slave himself at one time... |
| 21:25.44 | Bagginsww | wow it gets worse |
| 21:25.54 | Bagginsww | bearmantle and that blood elf were also slaves |
| 21:26.03 | Bagginsww | that reghar and bloodeye bought |
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| 21:26.59 | moveax_ | I'm using WIM to control my whispers but does anyone know any addons for managing the whole chat system? |
| 21:27.01 | Bagginsww | Valeera Sanguiner |
| 21:27.13 | moveax_ | WIMs windows are abit chunky for me, I want something more minimul. |
| 21:27.15 | pcj | Prat |
| 21:28.02 | Zeal | i onyl use SMCT for the system messages, and thne have my own tabs. about it. |
| 21:28.08 | pcj | :o |
| 21:29.22 | moveax_ | yeah I just created tabs as well |
| 21:29.29 | moveax_ | but it would be nice to be able to manage whispers better |
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| 21:29.40 | moveax_ | I basically just need guild chat, party/raid and whispers. |
| 21:29.47 | Zeal | haha, orc women go smash! |
| 21:29.56 | Kalroth | orc women are sexy |
| 21:30.01 | Zeal | ^ indeed |
| 21:31.05 | Zeal | i have general/g/raid/p/bg etc in one called Chat, then i have Combat, LFG/Trade, Defense (local & world), and Whispers |
| 21:31.07 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 21:32.23 | moveax_ | WIM is nice because I like the tabs for each whisper, it's window is chunky. |
| 21:32.39 | Zeal | but you'r right Bagginsww, slavlery indeed exists, why i don't know. Seems something Thrall would never allow to take place knowingly, only people i can think that would get away with it is are the Goblins and Ogres running the arenas, but not Orcs. |
| 21:33.07 | Bagginsww | ya but considering how famous they were supposed to be I think thrall knows about it |
| 21:33.18 | Bagginsww | this might be another one of those "turn a blind eye" things |
| 21:33.24 | Bagginsww | like him allowing warlocks now |
| 21:33.42 | Bagginsww | or allowing the Forsaken in despite how much he distrusts them and what they stand for |
| 21:34.14 | Zeal | well the way he handles locks i keeping a close eye, not turning a blind eye ;) |
| 21:34.21 | Zeal | *is |
| 21:34.55 | Zeal | Hm.. what's happened to DM in wow time? it's not an active arena anymore is it? |
| 21:34.56 | Zeal | :S |
| 21:35.10 | Bagginsww | actually it is as far as I can tell |
| 21:35.12 | Zeal | i dunno when the comic is supposed to taking place. |
| 21:35.17 | Zeal | ah |
| 21:35.24 | Bagginsww | this comic is supposed to be post wow |
| 21:35.31 | Zeal | yeah, that's what i thought. |
| 21:35.36 | Bagginsww | draeni are in it |
| 21:36.06 | Zeal | which is why it's odd for a slave based arena circuit to be going on, rather than a non-salve based one. |
| 21:37.10 | Bagginsww | well interesting enough arena in stranglethorn also as a slavery going on |
| 21:37.35 | Zeal | oh? |
| 21:37.36 | Bagginsww | but I got the impression it was more the trolls who ran it, and it was more Independent, rather than Horde or Alliance members. |
| 21:37.49 | Bagginsww | Lands of Conflict goes into it |
| 21:37.54 | Zeal | kk |
| 21:38.08 | Bagginsww | it was ran by many of the local troll tribes |
| 21:38.17 | Bagginsww | who captured alliance and horde members that got too close |
| 21:39.04 | Bagginsww | although there were definitely non-trolls who had slaves that put into the games |
| 21:39.29 | Zeal | well there's always going to be underground/shady/illegal stuff. |
| 21:39.32 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 21:39.53 | moveax_ | pcj: hmm how does prat work? All I have are two bars going acorss the bottom and top of my screen? |
| 21:40.28 | pcj | umm there should be a minimap icon or something |
| 21:40.34 | Zeal | but DM seems a bit too popular for that kind of thing, but you'd think with Reghar going about the teachings of thrall and shamism he would never compete again and certainly never have slaves. |
| 21:40.50 | moveax_ | yeah, but it's incrediblyconfusing pcj. the options are very cryptic and all ovre the palce |
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| 21:41.21 | pcj | well depends on what you're doing with it |
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| 21:41.37 | Zeal | correct me if i'm wrong, but Shamanism wouldn't be possible in a chosen situation such as an arena, they'd deny the shaman aid. |
| 21:41.40 | Bagginsww | wonders if I should add this info somewhere under "horde" or somewhere under "orcs" or both |
| 21:41.52 | Zeal | *the spirits |
| 21:42.04 | Bagginsww | actually the spirits only really care if you turn against the environement |
| 21:42.21 | Zeal | no, they still decide if the cause is worthy. |
| 21:42.30 | Bagginsww | not quite |
| 21:42.36 | Bagginsww | remember that one shaman in Day of the Dragon |
| 21:42.36 | Zeal | and selfish reasons such as sport would not be. |
| 21:42.43 | Bagginsww | he was one of the last shamans |
| 21:42.47 | Bagginsww | who retained his powers |
| 21:42.54 | Bagginsww | according to Day of the Dragon |
| 21:43.00 | Bagginsww | erm Tides of Darkness I mean |
| 21:43.02 | Zeal | don't recall a shaman in it :S |
| 21:43.03 | Bagginsww | he shows up in that book too |
| 21:43.13 | Zeal | lol, not read ToD yet ;) |
| 21:43.21 | moveax_ | pcj: I just want a guild chat window and a party/raid one at the bottom, and I want rid of Blizzards pain in the backside dialog thingy |
| 21:43.29 | Zeal | honbestly, if that says different it's bs imo, but kk. |
| 21:43.35 | Bagginsww | well he was shaman in DotD |
| 21:43.41 | pcj | you can do that without addons moveax |
| 21:43.42 | Bagginsww | and ToD explains why he was a shaman |
| 21:43.47 | Bagginsww | sorta |
| 21:43.53 | pcj | just create windows and choose the appropriate channels |
| 21:43.57 | moveax_ | yes I know |
| 21:44.02 | pcj | idk what you're talking about dialog thingy |
| 21:44.04 | Bagginsww | also remember in TBC their are alot of evil shaman |
| 21:44.05 | moveax_ | but I don't like blizzards whole chat window |
| 21:44.12 | Bagginsww | dark Shaman |
| 21:44.21 | moveax_ | i want rid of that window pcj, and just a custom, minimal one |
| 21:44.32 | Zeal | yeah, also something i label as BS ;) |
| 21:44.33 | Bagginsww | I'm thinking Christie Golden was just given some room for interpretation |
| 21:44.43 | Bagginsww | she went overboudn |
| 21:44.43 | Zeal | and hers is better ;) |
| 21:44.44 | pcj | prat can let you make it smaller and hide the buttons |
| 21:44.48 | Zeal | nah |
| 21:44.54 | Bagginsww | anycase the novels are said to be "mostly canon" |
| 21:45.00 | Bagginsww | they are less than the games |
| 21:45.04 | Zeal | i know |
| 21:45.17 | Zeal | hardly |
| 21:45.27 | Bagginsww | well zeal the issue is that original warcraft 1 and 2 said there was shamanism post evil orcs |
| 21:46.03 | Bagginsww | http://dccomics.com/media/podcasts/DCComics_2007-07-28_Wow_Its_World_of_WarCraft_San_Diego_Comic_Con_2007.mp3 |
| 21:46.06 | Bagginsww | listen to that zeal |
| 21:46.10 | Bagginsww | if you get the time |
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| 21:46.26 | Bagginsww | Metzen mentions how much the novels are "canon" in relation to the games :p |
| 21:46.26 | Zeal | can you summarize it at all? :P |
| 21:46.28 | pcj | chanserv appears to be having emotional problems |
| 21:46.31 | Bagginsww | I just did ;) |
| 21:46.32 | Zeal | ah |
| 21:46.41 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Retcon |
| 21:46.46 | Bagginsww | a bit of a summery there too |
| 21:47.18 | Bagginsww | mind you I think there was a second gencon mp3 where he also went into more detail, but unfortunately I lost the link |
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| 21:47.35 | Bagginsww | its the first time I ever heard him use the word "canon" |
| 21:47.43 | Bagginsww | usually metzen says "lore" |
| 21:47.50 | Bagginsww | but he was asked specifically about "canon" |
| 21:48.12 | Bagginsww | But ya Christie Golden's details actually had contradictions with previous work |
| 21:48.21 | Bagginsww | Tides of Darkness tried to fix it |
| 21:48.26 | Zeal | well i would put it to him that it's still a game and thus can onyl represent lore within set bounds and the rest has to be reinterpreted to fit those bounds without becoming canon. so you have as much of the game isn't cannon is as much of a novel makes uncanon choices he doesn't agreee with |
| 21:48.55 | Zeal | that sentance sucked.. |
| 21:49.05 | Bagginsww | I think it also explains why they didn't bother to update certain material in-game :p |
| 21:49.16 | Bagginsww | well another reason |
| 21:49.22 | Bagginsww | besides "a waste of time" |
| 21:49.37 | Zeal | lol |
| 21:50.07 | Bagginsww | but ya you get things like Sundstrider said to be last name before Dath'remar left Kalimdor |
| 21:50.17 | Bagginsww | and ingame its stated that he gained the name after |
| 21:50.57 | Bagginsww | or twins of vareesa and rhonin being the 'first half-elves" despite the RPG and other sources saying otherwise :p |
| 21:51.26 | Bagginsww | the various authors are given freedom to right almost anything, and they aren't nitpicked |
| 21:51.29 | Bagginsww | *write |
| 21:51.36 | Bagginsww | as long as the theme fits within Warcraft |
| 21:52.10 | Bagginsww | woah there is a full-color version of the sunwell trilogy? |
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| 21:52.39 | Zeal | always gunna be contradictions, and i'll seek the right answer through normal retcon methods, but the right answer is not always the best answer, but what is best will always be a matter of personal opinion. |
| 21:53.16 | Bagginsww | the problem is we no longer know what's a retcon and isn't |
| 21:53.38 | Bagginsww | Because metzen states for a fact that he allows the spinoff stuff like comics, manga, and novels some freedom |
| 21:54.01 | Bagginsww | http://www.amazon.com/Warcraft-Ultimate-Kim-Jae-hwan/dp/142780690X |
| 21:54.07 | Bagginsww | that's apparently in color or partially in color |
| 21:54.11 | Bagginsww | has a new prologue |
| 21:55.45 | Bagginsww | oh the next manga is called "Dragons of Outland" |
| 21:55.54 | Zeal | as a i said before canon is whatever metzen wants to be true at that moment in time, if anything contradicts that, it becomes a retcon. Most accurate way to know canon is the games, but even those suffer from game mechanics preventing/changing parts of lore. |
| 21:56.56 | Bagginsww | the problem is what we speculate to be "retcons" sometimes do not end up to be |
| 21:57.06 | Bagginsww | we can never know for certain what is a retcon |
| 21:57.18 | Zeal | new prologue and colour.. sigh i hate companies.. all of them. |
| 21:57.28 | Zeal | i know |
| 21:57.41 | Zeal | that's why you have to tread carefully, especially on the wiki. |
| 21:57.49 | Bagginsww | the prologue is about dath'remar apparently |
| 21:57.58 | Bagginsww | the creation of Quel'thalas |
| 21:58.14 | Zeal | and why i proposed speculation and retcons be handled in a clear manner, so if you are wrong, it's easier to know, cover your asses, and correct later. |
| 21:59.01 | Zeal | yeah, that's can go jump off a cliff if they think i'm going to buy the same products i already own for that. |
| 21:59.08 | Zeal | *they can |
| 21:59.41 | Zeal | long live piracy.. the big fu to that crap.. |
| 22:00.12 | Zeal | file moving done, yay. |
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| 22:04.24 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Zarnks#Future_race_ideas_edits |
| 22:04.29 | Bagginsww | zarnks back to his old tricks :p |
| 22:05.29 | Zeal | where id you see the new manga name? |
| 22:05.37 | Zeal | *did |
| 22:08.03 | Bagginsww | amazon |
| 22:08.17 | Bagginsww | offering it for sale now |
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| 22:10.20 | Zeal | got a link> |
| 22:10.21 | Zeal | *? |
| 22:11.28 | Bagginsww | just look up warcraft manga |
| 22:11.37 | Bagginsww | its listed there with the otehrs |
| 22:11.43 | Zeal | nvm, find out |
| 22:13.02 | Bagginsww | I'm looking forward to it |
| 22:13.07 | Bagginsww | it should lead up to wrath |
| 22:13.17 | Bagginsww | explain more about the blue dragons |
| 22:13.52 | moveax_ | wel, it looks as though Shaman's elemental shock isn't getting nerfed |
| 22:14.21 | moveax_ | therefore allowing them to keep their overpowered instant cast interupt which also does damage and has a irrelevant cooldown |
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| 22:26.50 | Bagginsww | zeal |
| 22:26.51 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Zuluhed_the_Whacked |
| 22:27.02 | Bagginsww | There's your shaman |
| 22:28.23 | Zeal | i see nothing but "hi i'm metzen, i suck" |
| 22:29.14 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 22:29.26 | Bagginsww | Well he was a shaman in DotD tides of darkness tried to explain it |
| 22:29.31 | Bagginsww | he was also a shaman throughout the rpg |
| 22:30.21 | Bagginsww | and I removed the purely speculatory section out of the main article |
| 22:31.09 | Zeal | yeah, i remember him. don't recall him being refered to as a shaman, but i could have missed it. |
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| 22:32.19 | Bagginsww | and he wasn't a warlock either |
| 22:32.22 | Bagginsww | he had to get Nekro |
| 22:32.26 | Zeal | i know he wasn't |
| 22:32.27 | Bagginsww | Nekros |
| 22:32.37 | Zeal | that was rather explcit |
| 22:32.45 | Zeal | but in fact, i thought he wasn't a caster period. |
| 22:32.55 | Zeal | really don't remember him as a shaman. |
| 22:33.07 | Bagginsww | I've cleaned it up |
| 22:33.19 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 22:33.27 | Bagginsww | well the revelenet citations are there |
| 22:33.34 | Bagginsww | if you ant to read it for yourself |
| 22:34.05 | Zeal | hm.. guess i'll check the dodtd one. |
| 22:34.25 | Bagginsww | easiest way for you go to amazon |
| 22:34.29 | Bagginsww | go to day of the dragon |
| 22:34.38 | Bagginsww | "search for "Nekros" |
| 22:34.43 | Bagginsww | page 53 will show up |
| 22:34.46 | Bagginsww | clicl on the link |
| 22:34.49 | Bagginsww | and read the page :) |
| 22:35.01 | Bagginsww | that'll save you time |
| 22:35.44 | Zeal | nvm |
| 22:35.49 | Zeal | i need bookshelves.. |
| 22:35.59 | Zeal | and dvd shelves.. |
| 22:36.03 | Zeal | god dammit. |
| 22:36.08 | Bagginsww | "Zulahead wielded the ritualistic magicks of the ancient shaman belief as few had done since the first Horde had been formed, but for this task he also needed to call upon the more sinister powers in which Nekros had been trained" |
| 22:36.24 | Zeal | rofl |
| 22:36.30 | Zeal | aleady looked by ty ;) |
| 22:36.39 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 22:36.43 | Zeal | bit before that too which says he's a shaman |
| 22:36.52 | Zeal | but that part does clarify it further. |
| 22:36.53 | Bagginsww | same page or earlier? |
| 22:36.55 | Zeal | 52 |
| 22:36.58 | Zeal | bottom |
| 22:36.58 | Bagginsww | k |
| 22:37.41 | Zeal | something like "his [Nekros'] chieftan, the great shaman, Zuluhed" |
| 22:38.23 | Zeal | i /spit on knaak |
| 22:38.39 | Zeal | don't like his style, and i don't like what he does with the lore |
| 22:40.16 | Bagginsww | alot of authors do that :p |
| 22:40.34 | Bagginsww | even christi has bits where she says something is the "greatest" |
| 22:40.36 | Zeal | http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/ <-- so helpful and surpisingly simple and effective. |
| 22:40.54 | Zeal | oh that doesn't bother me. |
| 22:40.59 | Bagginsww | ooh |
| 22:41.06 | Zeal | and i liek what she does to the lore, she's done nothing but good imo. |
| 22:42.10 | Zeal | knaak butchers it more than the rpg and metzen himself combined ;) |
| 22:43.34 | Bagginsww | Led by the Shaman Zuluhed, the Dragonmaw clan |
| 22:43.34 | Bagginsww | is a small but elite faction within the Horde. |
| 22:43.41 | Bagginsww | he was even a shaman in warcraft II |
| 22:43.56 | Fisker- | fucking win Zeal |
| 22:44.04 | Zeal | ? :o |
| 22:44.08 | Bagginsww | huh? |
| 22:44.14 | Fisker- | the unlocker app |
| 22:44.15 | winkiller | I *hate* the cpt. skyshatter quest |
| 22:44.26 | Zeal | ah, hehe. thought i'd share jsut in case. |
| 22:44.42 | Bagginsww | I don't know other than Knaak's style being drier I think he he's added alot to lore. |
| 22:44.50 | Zeal | he has |
| 22:44.51 | Bagginsww | I commend him for referencing some of the more obscure stuff. |
| 22:45.11 | Bagginsww | and at least trying to link to the older material |
| 22:45.15 | Zeal | but his lore id dry, rehashed, and usually doesn't go the direction that i beleive fits warcraft. |
| 22:45.24 | Zeal | *is |
| 22:45.36 | Bagginsww | part of it is probably because metzen told him to do that story :p |
| 22:45.45 | Zeal | perhaps |
| 22:46.02 | Lukian | winkiller, the race? |
| 22:46.09 | Bagginsww | something that bothers me is I think later sources ignored his timeline. |
| 22:46.12 | Zeal | christie brings soem great drama, romance, comedy, and real feeling to the world that is spot on with what warcraft is. |
| 22:46.28 | Bagginsww | I get impression that the story takes place |
| 22:46.33 | Bagginsww | before BEyond the dark portal |
| 22:46.34 | Zeal | later sources ignore all timelines ;) |
| 22:46.41 | Fisker- | Anyone wanna play heroin hero in coop? |
| 22:46.43 | Bagginsww | and then later sources put it after beyond the dark portal |
| 22:46.50 | winkiller | yea |
| 22:47.04 | winkiller | I always lose him while remounting midair (druid) |
| 22:47.25 | Bagginsww | My main issue with Christie is while a fun, exciting read, she bends alot and ignores some important bits |
| 22:47.36 | Zeal | hm.. don't remember enough to know why before btdp :S |
| 22:47.58 | Bagginsww | well in original timeline alexstraza was freed inbetween both games |
| 22:48.07 | Bagginsww | and most of the first sets of orcs were put into internment camps |
| 22:48.13 | Bagginsww | inbetween that time |
| 22:48.24 | Zeal | i dunno, she goes indepth in places that people usually don't imo, while the mroe factual that is flashed out already elsewhere get's skimmed over. |
| 22:48.27 | Bagginsww | there is some discussion of these early internment camps in the books described in a similar way |
| 22:48.49 | Bagginsww | Knaak has places where he went into depth too |
| 22:49.24 | Zeal | hm.. not that i recall. :S |
| 22:49.24 | Bagginsww | to be honest though I felt best author is Jeff Grubb |
| 22:49.30 | Zeal | indeed! |
| 22:49.37 | Bagginsww | He goes into depth, and hits the obscure stuff too |
| 22:49.43 | Bagginsww | he's like best of both |
| 22:50.06 | Zeal | and yet they've not had him write more :( |
| 22:50.23 | Bagginsww | he's written for two books |
| 22:50.28 | Bagginsww | only one novel |
| 22:50.49 | Zeal | books? |
| 22:51.13 | Bagginsww | we have had this convo before :p |
| 22:51.13 | Bagginsww | first Warcraft RPG book :p |
| 22:51.14 | Zeal | kk |
| 22:51.15 | Zeal | lol |
| 22:51.20 | Zeal | i know we did |
| 22:51.27 | Zeal | but i don't remember much.. lol |
| 22:51.41 | Zeal | in and out i'm afraid >_>; |
| 22:51.50 | Bagginsww | I don't think he had a small part, I think he had a huge hand in the history and kalimdor lore sections |
| 22:52.01 | Bagginsww | the style seems to match imo |
| 22:52.03 | Zeal | good good. |
| 22:52.57 | Bagginsww | anycase Knaak's entire Day of the Dragon was essentially an indepth telling of a glossed over mention in Warcraft II and its manual |
| 22:53.02 | Zeal | kd3 OMG v29 publication date announced now btw, added it to wikipedia earlier. April 16th. |
| 22:53.23 | Zeal | though v28 has been pushed back to December 19th now : / |
| 22:53.29 | Fisker- | v28 of wh at? |
| 22:53.34 | Fisker- | - |
| 22:53.44 | Zeal | huh? :S |
| 22:53.58 | Fisker- | WHAT PUBLICATION?! |
| 22:54.09 | Zeal | Oh My Goddess! |
| 22:54.16 | Fisker- | :O |
| 22:56.45 | kd3 | wee |
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| 22:57.25 | Zeal | well baggins, with knaak it's been a case of someone had to tell these great stories, it's a shame his stuff gets more recognition because as to the events in them, they are the best stories. |
| 23:01.18 | Bagginsww | I've moved that whole fair use discussion to village pump |
| 23:01.35 | Bagginsww | as it relates to the entire wowwiki, rather than any individual pages |
| 23:01.50 | Zeal | aye |
| 23:02.57 | Bagginsww | it also opens it up to a wider discussion |
| 23:03.16 | Zeal | why the copyright system sucks? |
| 23:04.47 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 23:05.09 | Bagginsww | so ya I'm working on a research paper |
| 23:05.26 | Bagginsww | apparently the rules for a research paper is make it up of paraphrases, and quotations from many different authors |
| 23:05.33 | Bagginsww | but you cite each thought |
| 23:05.41 | Zeal | oo, i fogot to update my list mania. |
| 23:05.52 | Bagginsww | it's less of your own thoughts |
| 23:05.55 | Zeal | "thought"? :S |
| 23:06.08 | Bagginsww | a thought being anything you take from your research |
| 23:06.12 | Bagginsww | *during your |
| 23:06.14 | Zeal | ah, ok. |
| 23:06.28 | Zeal | citation to show what made you think that. |
| 23:06.31 | Bagginsww | so more or less a research article lacks your own opinion |
| 23:06.41 | Bagginsww | you regurgitate others opinions |
| 23:06.48 | Bagginsww | and cite each time you do that |
| 23:06.52 | Zeal | lol |
| 23:06.55 | Bagginsww | where that opinion came from |
| 23:07.18 | Bagginsww | there is very little room to declare your own opinion except for perhaps the introduction and the ending. |
| 23:07.48 | Bagginsww | its not my favorite format because I prefer to argue my own opiniosn :p |
| 23:08.07 | Bagginsww | and back them up with others, rather than regurgitating what others say |
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| 23:08.40 | Bagginsww | or critique what others say |
| 23:08.50 | Zeal | indeed |
| 23:09.02 | Bagginsww | essentially the kind of thing you can't do on wikipedias because of stupid NPOV clauses |
| 23:10.47 | Zeal | "1593079125 is an invalid ASIN" <-- er.. no it isn't. ffs : / |
| 23:11.22 | Zeal | you know as well as i do they're not stupid ;) |
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| 23:12.12 | Zeal | wouldn't be a wiki without neutrality. may as well just be your own site with articles otherwise. |
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| 23:14.30 | Zeal | hm.. guess amazon.co.uk won't accept ASIN numbers not on the .co.uk db, bit 'tarded if you ask me, should use all of it's domains as they're global. |
| 23:15.13 | winkiller | damn, I just vendiored 100 silk cloth |
| 23:15.24 | winkiller | glad I still have 9xx |
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| 23:17.57 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Deadhollow&action=history |
| 23:18.05 | Bagginsww | ya talk about going overboard with the "fairuse" |
| 23:18.35 | Zeal | Notepad++'s tabs are crap. there's a bug with the clsoe buttons sitting behind the text when you open the app (have to turn off and back on again to fix) and you can't reorder them : / |
| 23:18.46 | Zeal | oh, and no in-place file renaming. |
| 23:18.50 | Zeal | bah, i miss that. |
| 23:19.10 | Bagginsww | if I'm reading Tyrenus right even paraphrasing a factoid from the rpg could be against fair-use and perhaps the article should be deleted :p |
| 23:19.20 | Bagginsww | even if its a small part of a larger article :p |
| 23:19.38 | Bagginsww | I'm seeing that as much different than simply copying an entire article |
| 23:20.15 | Zeal | indeed : / |
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| 23:28.26 | Bagginsww | what'st he command if you don't want to use a template but link to a template? |
| 23:28.34 | Bagginsww | ilink? |
| 23:31.51 | Bagginsww | tlink? |
| 23:31.51 | Bagginsww | something like that? |
| 23:32.19 | Zeal | {{t|template_name}} |
| 23:32.19 | [NewsBot] | Zeal meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/template_name |
| 23:32.29 | Zeal | erm, lol. |
| 23:33.09 | Zeal | might want to consider having the bot parse that as http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:template_name |
| 23:33.22 | Zeal | as that's (annoyingly) what the template does. |
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| 23:37.04 | Zeal | hm.. only just realised americans spell traveller with one l :o |
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| 23:41.38 | Bagginsww | added some modificaitons to fair use 2 |
| 23:41.56 | Bagginsww | if you feel it should be reworded to clarify further let me know |
| 23:44.03 | kd3 | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/traveler |
| 23:45.13 | Zeal | both fine imo Bagginsww :S |
| 23:46.33 | Zeal | bugger it, with learning xml properly lately, i think i'll turn that manga chapter list on wikipedia into an xml format i can keep updated myself. |
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