IRC log for #wowwiki on 20071027

00:00.05KasoWell you know, filled out the details etc
00:01.03Kasoi dont know  as i say, my anti-web2.0 tendances have made not really care to check it out
00:04.20KasoThere you go Kirkburn just for you i joined
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00:10.54Jiyambihey all
00:11.18Kasohi Jiyambi
00:11.19JiyambiDoes the image link not work if you have a template input as the linked page?
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00:11.47JiyambiExample of what I am trying to do is [[Template:Chain]]
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00:13.18Jiyambianyone?
00:14.00KasoIm sorry i dont really know much about wikicode
00:14.05Kasotemplates scare me
00:14.15Jiyambihehe its fine
00:14.43Jiyambimaybe he fell asleep at the keyboard....
00:14.50KasoHe's playing portal
00:14.55Jiyambiaha
00:15.11KasoI know cos steam tells me so1
00:15.20Kasoclearly he doesnt play in windowed mode
00:15.27Jiyambi*sigh* well I guess I will have to leave it alone for now, I have homework to do. I will just have to come bug you guys later
00:15.34JiyambiBecause I really want to get this chain template to work
00:15.48Jiyambithat way people can go straight to a quest chain from that quests's entry on a quest list
00:16.31Jiyambianyways byebye for now, thanks for the conversation Kaso :)
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01:00.02Zeal"<@Hobinheim> "Pets will try to get behind their targets when engaging in melee combat. " wow...." Now i just hope with that, they plan to move pets to be under bosses, not miles around their footprint, oh and WTB back attacking while moving.
01:04.36Zeala Giraffe Kirkburn, wtf? :P
01:05.57Kasogiraffe ...?
01:06.53Zealer.. wiki main page critter or w/e
01:07.55KasoNot really the best choice of animal i dont think
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01:17.33Zealindeed :p
01:19.37Zealbbl, food.
01:20.46KirkburnKaso :(
01:23.01KasoIts the wrong proportions to be a critter
01:23.07Kasoit just looks microscopic now
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01:35.14Kirkburnlol - http://xkcd.com/334/
01:35.22KirkburnKaso, it's partly on purpose :P
01:35.39KirkburnI have replacements for next month anyway
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02:06.25Kirkburnheh, I do enjoy entertaining people with my murloc costume
02:10.23KirkburnOooh, so Vista's Flip 3D looks awesome when running WoW
02:12.44pcjUh, not particularly
02:12.52pcjIt looks somewhat cool in general tho
02:22.40KirkburnDon't use it enough though
02:41.31Bagginswwkirkburn the symbol is similar to everythign in the scarlet crusade
02:41.39Bagginswwthey took the symbol of lordaeron and then just made it red.
02:41.59Bagginswwthey took the symbol of the paladin/priestly orders and made them red
02:42.02KirkburnAs did the Stormpikes, it seems
02:42.08Bagginswwya
02:42.19BagginswwI think it represents cross/hammer
02:42.22Bagginswwbut not sure
02:47.27Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Dark_shaman
02:47.53BagginswwI'm thinking of deleting that. We know next to nothign about Dark shamans and anything else is pure speculation
02:48.10Bagginswwunless its used for a disambig of all dark shaman npcs
02:48.43KirkburnBtw Crysis demo out 2moro :P
02:48.48Bagginswwactually I'lljust have it redirect to shaman
02:48.51Bagginswwooh crysis
02:49.49Bagginswwcrysis is one of the games that utalizes multicore isn't it?
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02:54.09KirkburnBagginsww, yeah think so
02:54.23Bagginswwcool
02:54.31Bagginswwdefinitely want to try it out on my system then heh
02:54.37Kirkburn:P
02:54.38Bagginswwhave to wait until next week though :p
02:54.46Bagginswwanother midterm coming up :p
02:58.08Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Taunka#Let_Down
02:59.54Bibi[04:06:32] <Kirkburn> Oooh, so Vista's Flip 3D looks awesome when running WoW
02:59.55Bibigirl.
03:00.21Bagginswwflip 3d?
03:00.31Bagginswwthe thing that does the weird sideways view of all your open pages?
03:00.40Bibithe 10 year old mac feature.
03:00.45Bagginswwlawl
03:01.09Kirkburnlol, it's nothing like the OSX one
03:01.23Kirkburn(which is not to say it's better)
03:01.36BagginswwI haven't messed with mac's version so no idea
03:01.39BibiVista is a bit like you Kirkburn
03:01.42Bibiit fails.
03:02.01KirkburnBagginsww, good luck with the midterm
03:02.02Bagginswwthe problem with vista is it has very high requirements
03:02.05Bagginswwthanks
03:02.28Bagginswwand most people dont' liek being forced to upgrade their computers to upgrade windows
03:02.36Kirkburnit doesn't
03:02.48KirkburnIt ran perfectly fine on my 4+ year old PC
03:02.50Bibithe problem with vista is the time you spend after installing it, to make it look like XP.
03:02.55Bagginswwit doesn't work as well on older business pcs
03:03.04Bagginswwyou know the type that arent' designed for gmaing
03:03.10KirkburnWell that's not so surprising
03:03.15Bagginswwthat's where the biggest complaints came out of
03:03.30Bagginswwhuge companies that rely on their already installed base computers
03:03.42Bagginswwand don't want ot upgrade for every employeee
03:04.23KirkburnWell, same with anything - if they don't want to upgrade, they shouldn't upgrade :P
03:04.27BagginswwI'm going to upgrade to vista on this machine as soon as they come out with second edition
03:04.31zealthe problem with vista is it's not what vista should have been.
03:04.50KirkburnBagginsww, SP1 will be nothing like XP's SP2
03:05.02Bagginswwso they aren't fixing the bugs?
03:05.08Bagginswwand slowness?
03:05.09KirkburnWhat bugs?
03:05.23Zealaye, vista SP1 is pretty pathetic when you look at everything it should be but isnt.
03:05.29KirkburnThe only problems Vista has (had) was driver support
03:05.34BagginswwI get blue screen crashes on my laptop every now and then heh heh
03:05.35Bagginswwthe new one
03:05.50Zealand vista runs fine on my 6 year old pc.. so yeah.
03:06.07Bagginswwit scales back a bit too
03:06.12Zealsomeone should have told microsoft, bigger isn't better.
03:06.14Bagginswwlike if you odn't have the video card for it you won't get aero
03:06.14KirkburnWell, yes, I agree you have to be careful with Vista on older PCs, especially laptops, due to compatability problems
03:06.22Zealnah, i had full aero.
03:06.31Bagginswwit depends on your vidoe card
03:06.36Zealaye.
03:06.58Zealaero sucks anyways.
03:07.05Bagginswwif you don't have the right cards you won't get aero. All a right card is one that can handle directx
03:07.08KirkburnOh, btw, that reminds me - the devs are working on the making the smallest Windows OS core possible atm
03:07.22BagginswwI dont' even know what aero does exactly? Is it the 3-d stuff?
03:07.37Zealthe core already is, what needs to be done is a smaller more moduler windows os.
03:07.45Kirkburnhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MinWin
03:07.47BibiAero is the 15 year old part of windows.
03:07.52Zealit's the ui design.
03:08.14Bagginswwok let me rephrase this what does it look like if you don't have aero?
03:08.27Kirkburnhttp://www.istartedsomething.com/20071019/eric-talk-demo-windows-7-minwin/ <-- demo
03:08.31Zeala slightly mroe stylish xp.
03:08.36KirkburnDamn, Zeal beat me
03:08.43Bibibasically, it's XP style with transparency and shiny effects
03:08.58Bagginswwkirkburn I'm using it on my new laptop. It doesn't crash alot, just occasionally. I'd say very rarely actually
03:09.00Zeali get the impression you hate microsoft bibi?
03:09.07Kirkburn(where the hell is Tooga :( )
03:09.11Bagginswwits easy to hate microsoft LOL for fun
03:09.18BibiI don't, I'm only whining on Vista to annoy Kirkburn
03:09.23Zeallol kk
03:09.32Bibiafter all, I don't care about Vista, I'm not using it
03:09.38KirkburnNot very successful, are we :P
03:09.39Bagginswwso basically all the 3-d stuff and frosted window effect?
03:09.45Bibinot really :(
03:10.05Zealwell it's still aero even without that.
03:10.16Bagginswwlol another thing people complain about which is silly is that how Vista is highly secured right out of the box
03:10.20KirkburnIf Tooga doesn't appear soon, I'll just have to run ZF >_>
03:10.21Zealthe basic non-3d one is still aero, it's just in it's msot basic form.
03:10.24Bagginswwwith the "do you want ot isntall this" blah blah
03:10.36Bagginswwdo you really want to download this to the harddrive blah blah
03:10.39Bibido you want to execute this program ?
03:10.44Bagginswwlol ya
03:10.46Bibido you want to download this program ?
03:10.50Bibido you want to download it from this site ?
03:10.58Bibido you want to download it using this browser ? Internet explorer 7 is better
03:11.05Bagginswwlol
03:11.19Bagginswwyou can turn that off, but most users don't know how
03:11.35Bagginswwin reality that was a feature in XP but you had to turn it on after installation
03:11.47Bagginswwvista just secures it from the beginning
03:11.47Zealwell i won't go into the argument i had in here before. bu the direction windows takes and that of pretty much an AV/Firewall software is just hell, and i hope they realise that eventually, because i don't think i could use a computer if we stay on that path.
03:11.53Bibiwell, imagine SP2, but with a lot, lot, more adverts
03:12.06BibiZeal : tbh, it's not hell
03:12.06Bagginswwlol
03:12.09Bibiit's needed
03:12.39Zealnope, it's not. it's jsut one way of doing it, and it's the worst way for a consumer.
03:12.53Bibiinternet isn't for geeks anymore, it's used by the mainstream
03:13.00Bibiand the mainstream can't identify a spyware or a trojan
03:13.08KirkburnLinux and OSX are similar, it's just their implementation went better
03:13.14Bibiit's stupid for 10% of users (us), but needed for 90% of them
03:13.23BagginswwI've heard that mac and linux had alot of the same security features from base installation, rather than making them things you had to turn on later, like in XP.
03:13.43Bagginswwvista is trying to emulate that
03:13.58BibiI'm cleaning my parents computer once every 3 months before they're getting porn pop ups by playing free flash games.
03:14.06Bagginswwlawl
03:14.06Bibi(no, don't even think about that, I checked the history.)
03:14.08KirkburnAye, the only reason SP2 was so major was due to the realisation that this security was absolutely essential
03:14.16Bagginswwya
03:14.26Bagginswwbut it also ran a bit smoother too
03:14.31Zeali honestly forgot everything i said before, so unless kirkburn remembers, i onyl rembmer that we should use an opt-in style security. what that entailed.. i forget, lol.
03:14.37Kirkburnlol
03:14.44Bagginswwits not like millenium that got worse with its sp
03:16.29Bibioh ... Windows ME ....
03:16.34Bibiit was .... wonderful
03:16.54Bagginswwlol
03:16.59Zealwas no worse than anything else imo.
03:17.09Bagginswwit was far more unstable than 98
03:17.18Zealused ME longer than i did 98. not a singel problem with it.
03:17.19Bagginswweven Microsoft admits it was their worst product
03:17.31Zealcitation! :p
03:17.44Kirkburnlol
03:17.46Bagginswwthe problem was it finnacky with the wide range of computers out there. some it worked well on
03:17.57Bibihttp://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/wikipedian_protester.png
03:17.58Bagginswwothers it was lbue screen as soon as you loaded up
03:18.02KirkburnClean installs were generally okay, it was the upgrades
03:18.15Zealmien was an upgrade, lol.
03:18.20Bagginswwit distabilized on 3 out of 4 of the machines in myhouse
03:18.25Zealon an old gateway i had.
03:18.29BagginswwI was using upgrade version too
03:18.34KirkburnYeah, and myself :P
03:18.47Zealalso ran for a while not problems before xp, on my first pc i built.
03:18.54Zeal*no
03:19.09Bagginswwcompared to millenium I had next to no problems on XP
03:19.14KirkburnAnd so I begin in ZF ...
03:19.33Zealhm.. i would never consider going back to me, but i had less problems on me than any other windows os.
03:19.39Bagginswwyou know what was funny?
03:19.55BagginswwMicrosoft actually released a SP for 98 that gave most of the millenium features
03:20.00Zeallol
03:20.12Zealforgot what even made me upgrade
03:20.27Zealbut something in it must have made me want to.
03:20.51Zealbut i was happy to say goodbye to it, just wasn't nice to use, nor was 98.
03:20.52Bagginswwhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/id,125772-page,2/article.html
03:21.00Bagginsww4. Microsoft Windows Millennium (2000)
03:21.00BagginswwThis might be the worst version of Windows ever released--or, at least, since the dark days of Windows 2.0. Windows Millennium Edition (aka Me, or the Mistake Edition) was Microsoft's follow-up to Windows 98 SE for home users. Shortly after Me appeared in late 2000, users reported problems installing it, getting it to run, getting it to work with other hardware or software, and getting it to stop running. Aside from that, Me worke
03:21.00Bagginswwd great.
03:21.00BagginswwTo its credit, Me introduced features later made popular by Windows XP, such as system restore. Unfortunately, it could also restore files you never wanted to see again, like viruses that you'd just deleted. Forget Y2K; this was the real millennium bug.
03:21.32BagginswwI had the shutdown bug on a couple of machiens
03:21.48Bagginswwwhere it would hang and you couldn't shut it down short of pulling the power plug
03:21.54Zeallol
03:22.00Zealdon't recall ever having that.
03:22.16Bagginswwthat' was the problem it didn't happen to every machine just a great number of them
03:22.29Bagginswwand there were different problems on different machines
03:22.35Bagginswwit was really finnacky
03:22.47Zealsorta like wow's wonderful new sound engine huh? ;)
03:22.50Bagginswwalot of it was driver issues I think
03:22.56Bagginswwlol ya zeal
03:23.27Bagginswwadditionally drivers were even less standardized than they are today
03:23.46Bagginswwso people owuld have some weird generic video or soundcard that windows didn't like
03:23.59Zealand now it's easier to point the finger at bad drivers *cough*nforce*cough*
03:24.04Bagginswwlol ya
03:25.49Bagginswwhowever i don't blame the drivers alone
03:26.22Bagginswwwell I mean vidoe drivers
03:26.24Bagginswwor sound drivers
03:26.33Bagginswwnow you have to take bios versions into consideration :p
03:27.10Zeal2 biggest problems i've ever had with my PCs. 1) Memory that ran at it's rated speeds and timings fine in all tests, but caused constant errors when running windows and tests run in windows (wasted around 7 months on debugging this, answer was, new ram and bitch at the manfacturer). 2) nforce 1 and 2 chipsets having constant driver and ultimately HDD issues (built 6 different pc's based on them, they've all had varying degress
03:27.15Bagginswwwhich is funny because a motherboard company will blaim the video card company and video card blaims the motherboard company
03:27.37Zeal*nforce 2 and 4
03:28.38Zealto date, my HDD's still lock up under heavy load.
03:29.10Bagginswwnot having any problem right now
03:29.16Bagginswwafter updating my bios :p
03:29.33Zealwhen i say heavy i load, i mean multiple things doing read and writes, living shifting around 20gb while working in photoshop and listening to music..
03:29.45Zeal*like shifting
03:30.13BagginswwI just assign my cores to different tasks :)
03:30.28Bagginswwit speeds things up
03:30.29Zealjsut get wonderful constant hdd activty light then all of a sudden, it goes out, and just blinsk like every 6 seconds, while my pc just freezes up.
03:30.35Bagginswwouch
03:31.06Zeala few times, i've waited around 10-15mins and it's recovered and suddenly woken up again.
03:31.25Zealit's like the hhd says "fuck you, this is too much, i'm going for a fag bbl"
03:31.33Zeal*hdd
03:31.38Bagginsww:p
03:32.33Bagginswwwell bb in a bit
03:32.36Zealand now i'm running out of room with my 600gb of space, i considering an external drive to store my media and projects instead.
03:32.38Zealkk
03:40.48pcjwhat's your HDD cache zeal
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03:56.31Sky2042zealishere?
04:01.18Zealaye, he is
04:01.26Zeal16MB pcj
04:01.37pcjk
04:04.07Sky2042coolcoo;
04:04.15Sky2042welcome back :)
04:05.48Sky2042!jobqueue
04:05.52[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 28596 doing ~0.8 job/s, done in approx. 9hrs 55mins 45secs.
04:07.24Zealty ;)
04:07.58Sky2042gah
04:08.00Zealhm.. think i'll leave learning After Effects to tomorrow.
04:08.07Zealtoo late for learning, lol.
04:12.04Zeal"The Bones in Desolace are possibly actually 2 of the elemental god's, and are also the reason for the new World Tree's exponentially large growth rate, because they were earthen elementals." rofl
04:13.10Sky2042uh... uh... i don't know what to say
04:13.34Bibielemental gods leaving bones ?
04:13.39Zealyou either laugh or say "huh?"
04:14.31Zealwell first of all there are not "elemental gods", and this is in the old god's speculation article. someone who things the old gods are elementals again i guess.
04:14.45Zeal*thinks
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04:16.42MI^Flathayoz
04:16.50MI^Flathai gotta question can any1 help?
04:16.59Sky2042probably; ask and ye might receive
04:17.41MI^Flathacan u play wow on win98?
04:17.51MI^Flathathe wow site says xp and vista
04:17.58MI^Flathabut the wow box at the shops says 98
04:18.27Sky2042recommended for BC is doubtless XP or better, though I suspect you can play classic fine on 98.
04:18.47MI^Flathaalso my pc is old
04:19.03MI^Flathap3 733, 384 RAM, gf4 64mb
04:19.12MI^Flathaid be happy with 20fps
04:19.20Sky2042i'm not sure you'll get that
04:19.40MI^Flathai dont want to spend the $ and find it dont work lol
04:19.47MI^Flathai an play war3 with no probs
04:19.54Sky2042i run a full gig of ram and a 256 card and i'm happy to see it hit 30... which probably means something sucks, but oh well.
04:20.11Sky2042i would advise against attempting to play with those :(
04:20.25MI^Flathadang
04:20.36MI^Flathatime for a new pc i guess lol
04:20.54MI^Flathaty for the help
04:20.59Sky2042np
04:22.16Zealhave you tried the wow demo. they still provide that right?
04:22.53Sky2042Zeal: i do believe so
04:23.04Sky2042MI^Flatha: you can try that
04:23.09Sky2042and see how well it works
04:23.21MI^Flathai know
04:23.33MI^Flathabut that makes it even harder\funnier
04:23.40MI^Flathai dont have a dvd drive
04:23.42MI^FlathaLOL
04:23.53Lukianyou can download it :p
04:24.06Zeal^
04:24.16Sky2042if your hard drive has at least 10 gigs of space or more...
04:24.24Sky2042which, with that old a system...
04:24.59MI^Flathai can make the room
04:25.15MI^Flathabut it would be funny after downloading 3-4 gig to find it dont work lol
04:25.43Zeali love it, ct_unitframes fails, ct essentially is dying off, i start working on my own replacement with better itergration with wow's default functionality for it, they break it twice since i get it a workable state by removing and adding new features, and now they break it even more and announce they plan to implement it themselves, lol.
04:26.04Sky2042LOL
04:26.10Sky2042poor zeal
04:26.19Sky2042too zealous for your own good, once again :P
04:26.50LukianMI^Flatha, borrow the CD-set of wow off a friend
04:27.09Lukian(or just splice the dvd files up and have a friend burn them to CD's)
04:27.27Zealprefer my one to the what they're doing, font sizes are too big and there's no room for customizing (plus no deficits announced yet, and they don't shorten when numbers get too big to fit on the bars)
04:27.55Lukianwow is fixing their raid frames (somewhat?)
04:27.59MI^Flathais it s fun game?
04:28.01Zealdownloading 3-4gig is better than spenting the money, no?
04:28.20MI^Flathadepends on how much power it costs to power pc :P
04:28.38Zealace2 need to fix their libraries so it doesn't break the default raid frames first >_>
04:29.03Sky2042MI^Flatha: of course it's a fun game. You don't snag 8-9 million people by creating a not-fun game :P
04:29.18Sky2042aren't they coming out with ace3 in the nearish future?
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04:29.27Sky2042or is that for wotlk?
04:29.27Zealno idea.
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04:30.25Zealjust know i reported the issue after going through a lengthy debug in their chan while i was first starting work on my addon (as it caused problems for me too), issue was acknowledged, no change as of yet.
04:33.07Zealhttp://temporal.zealvurte.co.uk/forums/ hehe
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04:34.15Sky2042owned!
04:34.37Zealthink i'll keep the site up for about a week, then take it down. onyl thing i plan to keep up is the dkp because i'm going to be writing a new system from scartch based on ndkp with all the modifcations i've made and wanted to make.
04:34.50Zeal*scratch
04:37.54Zealattendance system, better member's database with status (mainyl guild ranks) to determine certain rules (eg. we ran it where trailists don't earn attendance), er.. the rolling attendance is x raid based, not x week based, better intergration with wowhead (Adys, but a gem and nag skosiris to implement so new stuff in the xml ;) ) and probably the most major revamp to the system, the ability to remove players without effecting ze
04:38.11Zeal*some new
04:38.17Adysmuh?
04:38.20Kirkburn|sleepAce2 does something to the raid frames? That's news to me
04:38.33Zealaye, it's causing a taint.
04:38.47Kirkburn|sleepAce is a library, it shouldn't really do anything to anything unless an addon calls it
04:39.26Zeali don't really fully comprehend the issue, but it was how it was doing something that was causing a global issue for any addon using ace2.
04:39.49Zealsomething hinerently wrong with how they did soemthing at thecore of it.
04:39.55Zeal*inherently.
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04:43.26Kirkburn|sleepOdd, because I'm searching the Ace forums and "Ace taint raid" brings up nothing
04:43.50Zealdoubt it would
04:44.07Kirkburn|sleepAnd if I search Ace2 taint raid, the past post including those words was in january
04:44.20Zealbrought it up in irc, convo went on for a few hours. none of the "important people" actually chimed in.
04:44.20Kirkburn|sleep*last
04:44.45Kirkburn|sleepWhen?
04:44.57Zealprobably have an irc log somewhere..
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04:47.10Zeal07/06/07 06:16:22
04:47.12Zeal:p
04:47.12Kirkburn|sleepAnyway, must be off to sleep
04:47.31Kirkburn|sleeplol, methinks that's probably been fixed
04:47.32Zealhttp://wowi.pastey.net/53360?lang=null <-- the bug
04:48.27Zealaddon listed as causing the issue is random btw, can even be listed as non-ace2 addons. but onyl happens if you have an ace2 enabled.
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04:51.45Kirkburn|sleepYes, I know ClearFont had a similar problem once
04:52.11Zealkk
04:52.22Zeali can't say i;ve looked sicne the last 2 wow patches
04:52.33Zealbut before then, it was still there.
04:56.20Zealoh i see, i went through it with some guys in wow interface lounge channel.
04:56.35Zealbecause no one answered me in the wowace chan.
04:57.03Zealand the reason i found the issue, was because i was able to procude the taint via my addon, that ace2 was causing.
04:57.15Zealand no, i wasn't using ace2 for my addon.
04:58.13Sky2042piu: how are you getting it to categorize into the correct cat? jw
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04:58.32piuhow so? you mean the subcats?
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04:58.37Sky2042aye
04:59.13piuI just did some general movbe-all runs first, but...
04:59.44piuit iterates through each article, shows the first bit, then lists subcategories to pick for it
05:00.39Sky2042huh
05:00.49piuit's having some problems though
05:01.11piusome article text causes a crash somewhere
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05:14.07Zealok, well i'm off. nn all.
05:14.30Sky2042nite
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07:00.27Sky2042wtf is he doing
07:00.28Sky2042?
07:00.33Sky2042http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Gadgetfingers
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07:08.58Lukianhe's typing to fast to fix his typos :p
07:09.03Lukian*does it for him*
07:16.21Lukianhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Attributes#DPS <- DPS is kinda generic here, thoughts on me changing to to Attack Power?
07:17.30Lukianthe generalisation note can be removed then ^^
07:20.12Sky2042i'd say hold up. but feel free to add AP to the list
07:20.32Lukianwell he's not talking about true DPS there, he's talking about AP
07:20.42Lukianhe even links to see also: Formulas AP.
07:21.13Lukian:D
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09:37.05VolusHøyst ærverdige herrer, rikets øverste dommere.
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12:26.22kweeniehello?
12:26.31kweenieanyone knows how to typ in color in wow?
12:28.21Fisker-you can't
12:28.46kweenieit can
12:28.56kweeniei see people that are typing in color
12:29.07kweenieand its not a system message
12:29.33Fisker-Then the server is bugged, or you are not playing on official server
12:29.34Fisker-servers
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12:34.13CorganFisker-!
12:39.05KasoHmm ^^ thats interesting
12:39.23Kasome thinks he's on an emu server
12:39.43Kasothat or he's talking through some sort of encoded guild channel
12:39.45Corgancheck check it
12:39.46Corganhttp://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4413/olawdvq7.png
12:39.59Kasoi saw ten min ago in #wowhead it's awesome
12:40.03CorganIt's updated
12:40.06Corganshows total counts
12:40.11Corganas it goes down the tiers
12:40.21Kasoah i see
12:40.29KasoVery good
12:40.45CorganI was bouncing ideas for scripting it off my sister
12:40.56Corganshe was like "...what the hell are you talking about"
12:40.57KasoIm surprised noone has ever done a script to do that before, it seems like an obveous thing
12:41.10KasoHaha
12:41.25Corgantalking about javascript arrays and everything
12:41.32Kasoi like having my group of computer science friends who can actually understand these things :>
12:41.38Corgan:(
12:41.52CorganI'm such a messy coder
12:41.53Corganugh
12:42.00CorganThat's what I get for being self taught I guess
12:43.42KasoYou should see some of my KasoBot Stuff, its terrible
12:44.04Corganlol
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12:45.13CorganI find one of the worst/most annoying languages to code in is tcl
12:45.46Kasohttp://pastey.net/75908 my random xml parser that doesnt bother to tokenize or anything
12:45.57KasoI even knew that was terrible as i was coding it
12:46.00Kasobut im very very lazy
12:46.04Corganlol
12:46.30Corganwanna see this source for this javascript thing?
12:46.40KasoI'll take a peek
12:46.53Corganhttp://pastebin.com/m7337fa84
12:47.27CorganI went through like...3-4 different ways to do it
12:47.34Corganthey didn't work right :p
12:47.56CorganI ended up doing a bunch of array checks, lining up the items to their parent items and tier levels
12:48.14KasoThis is where a bit of software design helps :> my lectures keep telling us to design before we start coding
12:48.24Corganbleh
12:48.57dreamsslol
12:49.12CorganI thought about it, and thought it would work
12:49.13Corganbut it didn't
12:49.14Corgan:p
12:49.19Kasoheh
12:49.22dreamsscorgan how is tcl anoying?
12:49.24CorganI was surprised when this way actually worked
12:49.25dreamssshit is easy
12:49.34CorganI hate coding my eggdrop bot
12:49.43dreamssi hate JS :P cant do it for shit
12:49.50CorganI used to hate JS
12:49.54CorganI've learned to love it
12:50.04dreamsstcl i can 1line any code i want
12:50.05dreamsshehe
12:50.11CorganGreasemonkey sparked my interest in JS
12:50.36CorganI've made a few greasemonkey scripts for wowhead
12:50.45Corganlike, one that keeps an item wishlist...
12:51.02dreamssnice
12:51.04Corganone that pulls your equiped items from the armory and compares it to the item you're viewing
12:51.17dreamssjavascript makes me its bitch
12:51.36dreamssusually i can google for small stuff, but if i have to edit it. i get stuck badly
12:51.54Corganand I've got one that allows you to link to specific posts on the wowhead forums
12:51.55Corgan:)
12:52.01Corgansimple scripts
12:52.13Corganthis one I'm working on now is probably one of the most advanced ones i've worked on
12:52.43dreamssi can make a tcl script that looks like IE, logs in a ssl website using cookies and grabs data, but cant make a simple ajax sript
12:52.44dreamssbleh
12:52.56Corganoh, and I made one that adds a custom tab to wowhead, allowing you to make quick links to places on the site
12:53.03dreamssnice
12:53.09dreamsssripting owns
12:53.11Corganyeah
12:53.35Corgan%I'm hooking into most of the wowhead functions, so it looks exactly like the other tabs
12:53.36KasoI have this one script that sorta probes my uni network generating a list of hosts, it starts off in java but then migrates to lua near via Runtime.exec() nearthe end. Because it i knew how to write the part in lua, but i'd have had to of looked up APIs in java, and i was too lazy for that.
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12:53.46Kirochiwassup
12:54.00CorganI havn't touched in LUA much, it looks fun tho
12:54.14Corganwell, I've tweaked a few addons for WoW
12:54.15dreamsslua reminds me of javascript for some reason
12:54.16Corganbut that's about it
12:54.40Corganwhat bugs me about knowing so many coding languages, is that I manage to mix up functions
12:54.50Corganbetween the languages
12:54.59dreamssLOL
12:55.26CorganI also have the worst naming scheme for my functions
12:55.33Corganwell, at least my dev functions
12:56.08Corganme and Adys were working on a script, and he yelled at me about my function called Wieners();
12:56.09Corgan:(
12:56.15Corganbeing called*
12:56.24Kasohaha
12:56.28Kasothats awesome
12:56.36Corganor like
12:56.44CorganJustDropped(theBomb) { }
12:56.50Corganer
12:56.54Corganfunction JustDropped(theBomb) { }
12:57.00Kasoarray.Insert(Wiener())
12:57.07Kirochihow long was function Wieners(); ?
12:57.15Corgannot long enough
12:57.15Kasolol
12:57.16Corgan:D
12:57.43CorganI feel relieved that I figured out this JS thing tho
12:57.49Kirochibet he liked it that way. reminded him of his own code
12:58.32dreamssi hate you with jealousy
12:58.53Corganhrmm
12:59.31dreamssusually i can read a guide/sample and pickup a language :<
13:00.35CorganI should figure out how to add this tab without having to use the .flush call a second time...
13:00.44Kirochihaha
13:01.15Corganbecause I'm basicly removing the whole tabs thing, injecting mine in, and re-flushing the whole thing
13:02.12Kirochiarray.Insert(ToiletPaper()) .flush
13:02.47dreamsslol
13:02.53dreamssnice function name
13:03.11dreamssi hope u commented it with "clean the shit"
13:03.45Kirochi/run for i = 1, 50 do DoEmote("CHICKEN") end
13:03.45[NewsBot]Thats a fact >>;-)
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14:12.57VolusQuestion!
14:13.52VolusHow much does spell damage increase the damage absorbed by the mage shields?
14:14.14Volusthe ammount of damage that can be absorbed*
14:15.46Kirochihttp://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
14:18.03A2+
14:18.42Volus???
14:22.30Volushttp://www.wowwiki.com/Mage_builds ---> needs to be checked.
14:22.52VolusAnyway, can anyone help me?
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14:38.30pcjwhat happened to the RSS feed spam
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14:46.17[NewsBot]pcj running again now
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14:48.35pcjyeah i didn't really miss the wowblues
14:48.37[NewsBot]WoWBlues: Realm Restart - Spinebreaker - 10/27/2007 - http://www.wowblues.com/us/realm-restart-spinebreaker-10272007-2647285384.html
14:49.12Volus~Volus
14:52.30Kirochi~beer
14:52.31infobotACTION has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer))
14:53.15Volus~dance
14:53.15infobotSir! Too much booty in the pants, sir!
14:53.46VolusInfobot, Volus is great!
14:53.47infobotokay, Volus
14:53.51Volus~Volus
14:53.52infoboti guess volus is great!
14:54.25VolusInfobot, ^^ means "mate"
14:54.34VolusInfobot, ^^ is mate
14:54.35infobot...but ^^ is already something else...
14:54.41[NewsBot]World of Raids: 2.3 changes, Zul'Aman and Daily Blue - http://boards.worldofraids.com/topic-8473-1.html
14:54.44Volus~mate
14:54.45infobotrumour has it, mate is some one you like to talk to, similar to a friend, a pitman, a chum, a pal, a buddy, or rather a companion or fellow. aka m8
14:54.46[NewsBot]World of Raids: Paid Character Name Changes, WotLK Screenshots, Daily Blue - http://boards.worldofraids.com/topic-8453-1.html
14:54.52[NewsBot]World of Raids: New PTR Build , Daily Blue, Heroic Badge Sets - http://boards.worldofraids.com/topic-8414-1.html
14:54.58[NewsBot]World of Raids: 2.3 PTR Encyclopedia, Patch Notes Update, Daily Blue - http://boards.worldofraids.com/topic-8387-1.html
14:55.15[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Brooms not going bye-bye (yet) - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/27/brooms-not-going-bye-bye-yet/
14:55.21[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Breakfast Topic: Where the roleplayers at? - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/27/breakfast-topic-where-the-roleplayers-at/
14:55.24Kirochiinfobot, Kirochi means wonder
14:55.27[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Ask WoW Insider: Proving your worth - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/26/ask-wow-insider-proving-your-worth/
14:55.33[NewsBot]WoW Insider: It's not as easy as you think - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/26/its-not-as-easy-as-you-think/
14:55.41Kirochi~Kirochi
14:55.41[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Phat Loot Phriday: Serpentshrine Shuriken - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/26/phat-loot-friday-serpentshrine-shuriken/
14:55.42Volusyou have to use "is"
14:55.48Kirochiinfobot, Kirochi is wonder
14:55.49infobotKirochi: okay
14:55.53Kirochi~Kirochi
14:55.53infobotit has been said that kirochi is wonder
14:56.04Kirochiinfobot, infobot is infobot
14:56.04infobot...but infobot is already something else...
14:56.13KirochiI knew it
14:56.26VolusDon't do it.
14:56.42VolusIf you make infobot think he's something else he'll stop working
14:56.45Kirochi~Kamini
14:57.16Kirochiinfobot, Kamini is a French black rap singer from the Northern countryside
14:57.16infobotokay, Kirochi
14:57.20Kirochi~Kamini
14:57.20infobotfrom memory, kamini is a French black rap singer from the Northern countryside
14:57.22VolusInfobot, forget Dotted
14:57.31Volusinfobot, forget dotted
14:57.40Kirochiinfobot, forget about everything you know
14:57.40infoboti didn't have anything called 'about everything you know' to forget, Kirochi
14:57.51Volus~infobot
14:57.52infobotrumour has it, infobot is a vampire, or an idiot
14:57.54Kirochi~Dotted
14:57.55infobotmethinks dotted is lame Infinity
14:58.00Kirochihehe
14:58.03Volus:P
14:58.27Kirochiinfobot, zeal is a no-no
14:58.27infobot...but zeal is already something else...
14:58.29VolusInfobot, no Dotted
14:58.40Kirochi~zeal
14:58.41infoboti guess zeal is and has been level 70 for a while
14:58.56VolusInfobot, forget Zeal
14:59.20Kirochihttp://combo-no-5.freeonlinegames.com/
14:59.24Kirochicombo n°5
14:59.25VolusInfobot, no Zeal
14:59.33VolusInfobot, Zeal is not
14:59.33infobot...but zeal is already something else...
14:59.51Kirochiinfobot, talk is cheap
14:59.52infobotACTION chatters endlessly to is cheap
15:00.09Kirochihaha
15:00.50VolusInfobot, forget mate
15:00.50infoboti forgot mate, Volus
15:01.01VolusInfobot, mate is a sexual partner, especially of a breeding animal.
15:01.02infobotokay, Volus
15:01.24VolusInfobot, forget lol
15:01.24infobotVolus: cannot alter locked factoids
15:01.30Kirochi~lol
15:01.31infobot[lol] stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead.
15:01.47Kirochiinfobot, forget ugt
15:02.06Kirochiinfobot, no ugt
15:02.16VolusInfobot, ugt is good
15:02.17infobot...but ugt is already something else...
15:02.30VolusInfobot, ugt no good
15:02.35Kirochi~MTV
15:02.35infoboti heard mtv is at http://www.mpegtv.com, or ftp://ftp.mpegtv.com/pub/mpeg/mpegtv/player/x86-unknown-linux-glibc/packages/DEB/, or an American cable TV channel that should have died circa 1990
15:02.43Volus~ugt
15:02.44infobotit has been said that ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
15:02.56Volusinfobot, ugt no it has been said that ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
15:02.57infobotokay, Volus
15:03.08Volus~ugt
15:03.09infobotwell, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
15:03.15Kirochiinfobot, forget MTV
15:03.16[NewsBot]MMO Champion: Blue posts, 2.3, Zul'aman, video - http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=1948.0
15:03.22[NewsBot]MMO Champion: Paid character name change, blue posts, 2.3 - http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=1924.0
15:03.28[NewsBot]MMO Champion: New PTR build, blue posts, ZA Sets - http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=1899.0
15:03.30Kirochiinfobot, no, MTV
15:03.35Kirochiinfobot, no MTV
15:03.36Volus~newsbot
15:03.37infobotIRC bot coded in perl that retrieves slashdot/freshmeat news and more. URL: http://www.cflash.com/~yury/, or on an unstable internets connection
15:03.51Kirochi~your mom
15:03.52infobotwell, your mom is a ho
15:03.56Kirochihaha
15:04.00VolusInfobot, forget your mom
15:04.00infobotVolus: i forgot your mom
15:04.04Kirochihaha
15:04.11VolusInfobot, your mom is spelt your mum
15:04.11infobotVolus: okay
15:04.19Kirochi~momma
15:04.20infobot-rwx------    1 apt     dpkg         131 Dec 22 16:59 /etc/cron.daily/your_mom*
15:04.30Volus~USA
15:04.38Kirochi~WMA
15:04.38infobotwma is, like, audio/x-ms-wma
15:04.45[NewsBot]WoW Insider: At last, Warriors, you will know the power of a Community Class Review -
15:04.46Kirochi~wmd
15:04.46infoboti heard wmd is the b.s. excuse used for the US to occupy Iraq
15:04.56Kirochiinfobot, forget wmd
15:04.56infobotKirochi: i forgot wmd
15:06.07Kirochiinfobot, wmd is a short for Weapons of Mass Distraction, something the U.S.A. can endlessly use to distract foreigners from their real goals (in Iras, for example, establishing an outpost for incoming wars)
15:06.08infobotKirochi: okay
15:06.36Kirochiinfobot, forget wmd
15:06.36infobotKirochi: i forgot wmd
15:06.43Kirochiinfobot, wmd is a short for Weapons of Mass Distraction, something the U.S.A. can endlessly use to distract foreigners from their real goals (in Iraq, for example, establishing an outpost for incoming wars)
15:06.43infobotKirochi: okay
15:06.47Kirochi~wmd
15:06.48infobotmethinks wmd is a short for Weapons of Mass Distraction, something the U.S.A. can endlessly use to distract foreigners from their real goals (in Iraq, for example, establishing an outpost for incoming wars)
15:07.16VolusInfobot, USA is a place where the meaning of life is to sue people -- and win.
15:07.17infobotVolus: okay
15:07.32Volus~Kirochi
15:07.32infoboti guess kirochi is wonder
15:07.45Volus~commands
15:07.47Volus~help
15:07.58Kirochi~Nancy Drew
15:08.43Kirochi~slumber
15:08.54Kirochi~suck
15:08.55infobot:(
15:09.09Volus~ban
15:09.09infobotit has been said that ban is a way of getting rid of annoying pests, especially trolls
15:09.13Kirochiinfobot, your mother is a ho
15:09.13infobot...but your mother is already something else...
15:09.22Kirochiyeah
15:09.38Kirochiinfobot is useless
15:09.43Kirochiinfobot, infobot is useless
15:09.44infobot...but infobot is already something else...
15:09.48Kirochiurgh
15:10.05Kirochi~Kirkburn
15:10.06infobotAuthor of the phunky font changing addons ClearFont and ClearFont2, and WoWWiki bureaucrat. Also likes kittens and middle-management.
15:10.16Kirochiewww, kittehz
15:16.58VolusInfobot, forget Kirkburn
15:16.58infobotVolus: i forgot kirkburn
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15:17.23Kirkburn|sleepGRRRR
15:17.33Kirkburn|sleepWhat did I say about doing that?
15:17.53VolusI thought that was only for Infobot...
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15:18.10VolusYou know, this reminds me of a very special nursery rhyme
15:18.23Kirkburn|sleep"<Volus> Infobot, forget Kirkburn" o_O
15:18.59VolusYou've only said I wasn't allowed to do the "Infobot, forget Infobot"
15:19.31Kirkburn*sigh*
15:19.43VolusBjørnen sover,
15:19.43Volusbjørnen sover
15:19.43Volusi sitt lune hi.
15:19.43VolusDen er ikke farlig,
15:19.43Volusbare man går varlig.
15:19.44VolusMen man kan jo, men man kan jo,
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15:19.46Volusaldri være trygg.
15:20.18KirkburnI am SO close to kicking you right now
15:20.25VolusI'm sorry Kirkburn :(
15:20.29Kirkburninfobot, Kirkburn is <reply>Author of the phunky font changing addons ClearFont and ClearFont2, and WoWWiki bureaucrat. Also likes kittens and middle-management.
15:20.29infobotokay, Kirkburn
15:21.50VolusKirkburn, does bears sleep in nests?
15:22.24Volus~Karma
15:22.24infobotvolus has neutral karma
15:22.49Fisker-btw i liked how flagship studios recalled a CE copy
15:22.52Fisker-after it was sold...
15:26.12Dotted~volus--
15:26.17Dottedvolus--
15:26.20VolusFisker-, you didn't understand the morale of "Den er ikke farlig, bare man går varlig"?
15:26.25Dotted~karma volus
15:26.25infobotvolus has karma of -1
15:26.30Dottedhurrah
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15:26.32VolusHey!
15:26.35Volus~Karma
15:26.35infobotvolus has karma of -1
15:26.59Dotted!jobqueue
15:27.03Dotteduh oh
15:27.08Volus~Volus--2
15:27.14Volus~Karma
15:27.14infobotvolus has karma of -1
15:27.19pcj!wwstats
15:27.22VolusBuhuuu :(
15:27.36Dottedpcj its dead
15:27.42VolusNow I'm sad.
15:28.28VolusInfobot, forget Volus
15:28.28infobotVolus: i forgot volus
15:30.20pcjfoxlit, foxbot
15:34.26VolusInfobot, Volus is sad because Dotted has decreased Volus' karma
15:34.26infobotokay, Volus
15:35.28VolusInfobot, forget Volus
15:35.28infobotVolus: i didn't have anything called 'volus' to forget
15:36.19VolusCan Infobot remember quotes?
15:38.12Dottedremove the 5
15:38.53Dottedyuck
15:39.32VolusWhat?
15:40.05VolusIsn't that one of those secret codes that grants me power over Infobot?
15:40.14Dottedno
15:40.17VolusInfobot, OBEY!
15:40.17infobotyes master
15:40.24VolusSee?
15:40.33Dottedno
15:40.34VolusWhat is it then?
15:40.37Dottedno
15:40.47Volus...
15:40.55VolusI think we have a communication problem
15:41.24pcjno
15:41.40VolusYes!
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15:41.56pcj!wwstats
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15:43.14VolusAt what ratio does spell damage increase the ammount of damage that can be absorbed by mage shields?
15:44.37moveaxI don't know if this is worth a mention, but the rank given to you by that goblin in Area 52, "Junior Engineer, Grade 3" is from a TV show called Red Dwarf :>
15:45.20VolusGo for it :)
15:45.31pcjfoxlit, foxbot plz
15:46.08moveax"Junior Technician 3rd Grade", sorry
15:46.40moveaxi don't know how-to add a page, so *shrug*
15:46.50KirkburnIt is? Who is referring to?
15:48.22moveaxRimmer, he was a Junior Technician 3rd Grade before he was killed and had his personality placed into the hologram machin.e
15:49.25KirkburnAah, well, if you remember which  goblin it is, add it to their page
15:50.04moveaxLead Sapper Blastfizzle
15:50.17Kirkburn[[Lead Sapper Blastfizzle]]
15:50.21moveaxI think, that;s in the quest log anyway
15:50.30KirkburnArgh, newsbot not here
15:51.05KirkburnHmm, not sure it's that one
15:51.09pcjkek
15:51.40KirkburnThe lead guy there, whatever his name is
15:52.31moveaxAh, it's the guy who wants to get the rocket in the air
15:52.32KirkburnAha! http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:You%27re_Hired%21
15:52.36moveaxyep
15:52.38moveaxthere you go
15:52.49moveaxthat's the first quest i believe
15:53.14KirkburnIf you want to try editing, I would add a trivia section above the external links with that info
15:53.40moveaxOK, I'll give it a shot :) do I need to reister an account or anything?
15:54.03KirkburnYeah
15:54.26VolusWell, good luck.
15:54.58VolusKirkburn, are you still angry at me?
15:55.59KirkburnYes, a bit - you rather compounded by posting a random several line non-english poem
15:56.44VolusPerhaps I should translate it?
15:56.48pcjNo
15:57.10VolusOk, pcj.
15:57.42VolusWell, I didn't want to do anything evil or something like that, Kirkburn.
15:58.01pcjThe road to hell is paved with good intentions
15:58.14foxlitWasn't there a You're Fired! quest as one of the last you could do in Blade's Edge while leveling?
15:58.33moveaxKirkburn: No e-mail ey to confirm addy?
15:58.38VolusHow do you get to heaven the, Pcj`?
15:58.43Volusthen*
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16:01.19Kirkburnmoveax, give it a short while
16:01.43Volus:)
16:01.46pcjWait for it...wait for it...
16:02.03DottedVolus http://da.wow.wikia.com/index.php?title=Brugerdiskussion:Dotted&diff=0&oldid=111 WTF is this guy trying to say? Is he incapeable of english?
16:02.16pcj*incapable
16:02.22Fisker-ownt Dotted
16:02.42VolusWHo? To whom?
16:02.57Dottedhow can a typo own me Fisker-?
16:03.36VolusWell, Dotted. I'm afraid he has
16:03.51Dottedhe has what?
16:04.41Volusproblems with languages.
16:05.10Dottedthen get him to use you, because i really cant be bothered with norwegian
16:05.25VolusThat isn't Norwegian.
16:05.40Dottedi dont care
16:05.56pcj!wwstats
16:06.11VolusNo, obviously not.
16:06.51VolusSigh.
16:07.39VolusDessuaktet, Dotted. Dessuaktet, Dotted.
16:08.12VolusAnyway, let's talk about something positive for a change.
16:08.27Dottedhelp me Fisker-
16:09.24VolusLet me help you
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16:09.33VolusWelcome back, Gimliii :)
16:10.47Kirkburnmoveax, any luck?
16:10.54VolusKirkburn, I've heard you're going to upgrade to a newer version of MediaWiki.
16:11.09Kirkburnorly?
16:11.16KirkburnI thought we'd hidden the notice quite well ...
16:11.29VolusI guess you're been central in the process ;)
16:12.03moveaxKirkburn: No. Nothing has been sent.
16:12.21VolusAnyway, Kirkburn. Is it long till your graduation ceremony? :)
16:16.10Kirkburnmoveax, hmm, strange
16:16.35Kirkburnif it doesn't come soonish, I'll poke someone
16:17.30VolusHmm, ok. It's been quite a while since you sat your exams.
16:18.03VolusWould you consider it unpleasant if we sent you a card?
16:19.50VolusDotted: I think Zizanzu tried to write Danish :P
16:20.19Dottedvery
16:20.42VolusNot you, Dotted.
16:21.03pcjI would too
16:22.15VolusIf the members of Wowwiki sent you a card to congratulate you?
16:23.25moveaxKirkburn: okies
16:23.48Kirkburnmoveax, sure it hasn't been eaten by a spam blocker?
16:24.06KirkburnThis has happened before, but it really shouldn't
16:24.08moveaxvery, because id ont' have one
16:24.11Kirkburn:P
16:24.15VolusWell, what do you say, Kirkbirn?
16:24.20VolusKirkburn*
16:24.47KirkburnTo what?
16:25.13VolusIf the members of Wowwiki sent you a card to congratulate you with your graduation?
16:25.34VolusDotted and pcj thinks it would be unpleasant for you.
16:27.28KirkburnI would be a little disturbed, but the thought is appreciated :P
16:28.12VolusWell, I guess we would have to do a bit of tracking.
16:28.26moveaxhe's just trying to get into your pants, Kirkburn
16:28.33moveaxthat's all he really wants
16:28.56VolusIn others one sees oneself.
16:29.11Kirkburnmoveax wants to get in my pants?
16:29.13moveaxThat's your excuse for everything.
16:29.20VolusWho knows, Kirkburn?
16:29.28pcjyou must have some big pants kirkburn
16:29.30KirkburnYou do, apparently :P
16:29.32moveaxAnd it can be applied to everything, so it's a rather generic statement :)
16:31.56VolusDo you know about something else that can be be applied to everything?
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16:33.27VolusWelcome, Tinyboom :)
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16:35.56moveaxUes, cheese.
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16:37.13VolusMagi nerfed again :(
16:37.20moveaxVolus: Yes, cheese.
16:38.03VolusWhy do you think Blizzard buffed hunters anti caster abilities?
16:42.04Voluslol?
16:42.27Lukian'cause mages are pew-pew.
16:42.37VolusNah
16:42.38moveaxBecause they want hunters to be even more over powered?
16:42.43VolusYeah!
16:42.54Lukianhunters are one of the few classes to be able to take out a warlock :P
16:43.14VolusMake a new spell then: Inslave warlock
16:43.41moveaxEnslave.
16:44.11Volusok
16:44.55Lukianit's all about arena viability anyway
16:45.12Volusdo you think mages will be buffed soon?
16:45.31moveaxHunter's do crazy DPS, can trap you to allow them to bandage, have an annoying pet that interupts your spells and also can do crazy DPS and as well as stub you. They can attack multiple targets and if need be, they can make NPC targets attack someone else in BGs. They can run away from you quickly and they can do melee DPS.
16:46.07moveaxWhat have I missed? Oh no dead zone anymore.
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16:46.16Volusisnt that a bug?
16:46.18moveaxAnd a new DoT that reduces healing I believe?
16:46.27VolusNo? Really?
16:46.29moveaxThe no dead zone? No, Blizz. removed that.
16:46.36Volusomg...
16:47.00Voluswhich class is best against huntards?
16:47.11moveaxNo idea.
16:47.44Lukianpaladins do well
16:47.51Lukiananything that can melee
16:48.07VolusAnything that can survive the hutard's kiting
16:48.09Lukianmelee defenses are pretty weak on BM and Marks hunters
16:49.17Lukian<moveax> And a new DoT that reduces healing I believe? <- not a dot, a magic(?) effect after aimed shot (50% for 10secs?)
16:49.34moveaxyeah that's the one
16:50.00Lukianaimed shot is a 3.5sec cast, l2interrupt :p
16:50.11VolusThere is only one solution! Huntards must no longer be allowed to wear mail armor! Let profinency for mail armour be the 30 talent in Markmanship. Hunters shouldn't be able to wear mail anyway.
16:50.24moveaxAgreed
16:50.35Lukianas if we care anyway.. all the BC mail is for shamans :P
16:50.45Codexius-altnah, its for magetanks
16:50.48VolusLike, have anyone ever seen a hunter sneaking around in mail?
16:50.56Volusa real hunter*
16:51.16Lukianhunter's don't sneak! We use guns without silencers! :D
16:51.37Lukianand we roll goblin engineering :p
16:52.21VolusWhat's next? Tanks and nukes?
16:52.24VolusAirplanes?
16:52.41VolusOh, wait. We already have airplanes and tanks.
16:52.46moveaxHuntards are basically easy mode for themoron who can't handle a more complex class :)
16:53.42VolusDo you think Blizzard will introduce weapons of mass destruction into wow?
16:53.55moveaxhopefully. all aimed at huntards
16:53.59VolusI'd love to nuke ironforge.
16:54.43LukianI'd love to 'set up us a bomb' somewhere :D
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16:59.57Codexius-altSpeaking of nuking ironforge, ever see the old video of a lock's pet who had the baron geddon debuff on it, that he took it out in the ah, and the debuff blew up the AH
17:00.04Codexius-altthe numbers were all over the screen
17:00.14Codexius-altgood old days when the debuff was still on when u dismissed ur pet...
17:01.55WyriHaximus5thlol sounds nice Codexius :D
17:02.26Codexius-alttheres a vid online of it
17:02.37Codexius-altall of a sudden u see the lock SS himself
17:02.42Codexius-alta smart hunter nearby FD'ed
17:02.50Codexius-altand everyoen else blew up
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17:03.31Codexius-altI jsut dont like that your FD is instant, where my invis is 5sec
17:03.46Codexius-altsame with rogue faint, rogue vanish, etc
17:04.01Codexius-alttoo many times has my invis been broken by a debuff
17:04.14Codexius-altthat ticked for dmg every 3 sec, while invis is 5sec till aggro drop
17:04.15zealCodexius, it's instant, but it lags, mobs still come over and nicely wtf pwn us before they realize we did ;)
17:04.31Codexius-altdoes itl ag with decent latency
17:04.36zealaye
17:04.41Codexius-altooh
17:04.44Codexius-alti want aware
17:04.48Codexius-altwasnt
17:04.51Codexius-altmy bad
17:05.44zealthey'll usually get off a single hit before they register we FD'd : / annoying, but yeah, still is better than invis, but then we shouldn't be getting aggro ;)
17:08.22zealFor the record, if you get trapped my a hunter without them using scatter+trap, you're a nub. Any decent player watches for the trap laying animation (which can't be hidden completely like it used to), you can see them well before you set them off, and even funnier if you run over na unprimed trap thne go back to it and get trapped by it later.
17:09.44zealand with that, if you can't close ground on a hunter trying to kite you, you're doing something wrong. Every class can consistantly counter hunter kiting now, most in several ways.
17:09.51zealwith that said, i'm off out.
17:10.38Codexius-altthat was immpresive
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17:26.01VolusZeal is a hunter :)
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17:31.12Sandwichman2448Baggins, what with the mail?
17:31.34VolusHuntards shouldn't wear mail
17:33.35Sandwichman2448The letter kind. Not the chain kind. My hunter was being stalked by Ellaenchant so i gave up on him.
17:34.40Volus(. ) ( .) Really? Couldn't you ask the GMs for help?
17:36.47Sandwichman2448You could do that?
17:38.04VolusOf course. Harassement is't accepted.
17:38.18Volusisn't*
17:39.01Sandwichman2448Too late for that now.
17:39.05VolusYou just send something like: Dear Sir or Madam, "Name" has bla bla bla.   Yours faithfully, Sandwhichman.
17:39.27VolusYou deleted your character?
17:40.07Sandwichman2448No he is just unused as of late
17:41.33VolusWell, then there isn't any problem anymore :)
17:41.48VolusI think I'll play my priest a bit now.
17:42.09Sandwichman2448I'm in her guild. If I quit it will open old things.
17:42.14Sandwichman2448Or log on.
17:42.30VolusJust try
17:42.43Volus:)
17:42.46Sandwichman2448Right now?
17:42.53VolusYeah! You can do it
17:44.03Sandwichman2448Nah.
17:44.17VolusIf she starts stalking you, you'll just tell her what you really think about her and report her to the GMs
17:44.44Sandwichman2448http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Mellemage2.png WHAT IN HELL IS THIS THING?
17:45.17pcjmelee mage
17:45.22pcjit was some stupid article
17:45.24VolusA picture from a banned person?
17:45.54Sandwichman2448Yeah
17:45.58Sandwichman2448Could be
17:46.02VolusKirkburn?
17:47.03KirkburnWhat?
17:47.09Kirkburn(deleted, btw_
17:47.38VolusTalking of banned users...
17:48.12Sandwichman2448We also have all the fourum icons in there for some users.
17:48.16VolusDo you think... do you think there's any chance that I might get off the list?
17:48.22KirkburnI fear others may not appreciate it still
17:48.23Sandwichman2448reason, not users
17:50.00Sandwichman2448Bots remove images from articles.
17:52.27VolusKirkburn?
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17:54.01KirkburnI thought I just answered
17:54.29VolusOh, I thought you were talking to Sandwichman
17:54.33Bagginswwbucket brigade quest
17:54.49Bagginswwits a very similar quest style as mailman quests in LOTRO
17:54.56VolusWell, I guess I'll just hang around until those people will appreciate it.
17:55.20Bagginswwwell not exactly the same
17:55.47VolusAre there anyone here who don't appreciate my company?
17:56.23BagginswwI thought it was the kind where you held something, and couldn't attack enemies or lose your item. so its not really the same at all :p
17:57.04pcjlol
17:57.32Bagginswwthose quests are fun btw, LOL
17:57.36VolusSee?
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17:58.09pcjugggh
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18:03.01Sandwichman2448I added the airfeild pics.
18:06.08Bagginswwcool, though I think we could get improved ones.
18:06.16Bagginswwno interface or player characters showing
18:06.32Sandwichman2448Yeah. I like the first one.
18:06.54Bagginswwfirst one at least doesn't have interface showing
18:07.09BagginswwI think the best screenshot there would be to wait for the ironforge guard to make his rounds up there
18:07.15Bagginswwand not show the player
18:07.26Bagginswwonly the guard
18:09.08Sandwichman2448Do what you wish.
18:09.49Bagginswwthat particular screen shot may work best on;
18:09.53Bagginsww[[Ironforge Mountain]] ;)
18:10.09Bagginsww[[Ironforge Mountain]]
18:10.18Bagginswwwhat no newsbot?
18:10.24Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Ironforge_Mountain
18:10.55Bagginswwalthough I guess all of Dunmorogh is on Ironforge Mountain
18:11.02Bagginswwwe dont' know the name of that specific peak
18:11.35Sandwichman2448Let Vagharden make one up.
18:11.46Bagginswwlawl
18:12.50Sandwichman2448http://www.wowwiki.com/Silvermoon_Remnant X8 loves high elves so he info boxed it.
18:13.04KirkburnDotted, ping
18:13.17Bagginswwya its silly, LOL
18:13.30DottedKirkburn
18:13.34Sandwichman2448NOOB NOT POLICYING ALERT!
18:13.45KirkburnSup with Newsbot?
18:14.02Dottedonline again in a few mins
18:14.08Dottedhopefully
18:14.10Sandwichman2448I dont want it to be in my namespace, it is too good for that you are a vandal
18:14.18Sandwichman2448BLA BLA BLA
18:14.28Kirkburnokies
18:14.41Sandwichman2448I'll kill all the noobs; I'll kill all their dogs!
18:14.55Bagginswwbtw slang section needs to be made optional
18:15.00Sandwichman2448NAMESPACE PC BIOS DAMMIT!
18:15.14pcjswman...
18:15.54Sandwichman2448Yes?
18:16.02pcjsettle down
18:16.07Sandwichman2448Ok.
18:16.16pcj[[WW:PC]] is server namespace anyway
18:16.47Sandwichman2448Then do so.
18:17.18Sandwichman2448What about Saurfang facts? How wikify it?
18:18.02pcjIt's an unsorted list of hundreds of random facts, some of which aren't even very good.  How do you not see the problem there?
18:18.19Sandwichman2448Pcj: 'Oh, i'll just slap on this stub without giving a reason to dive that stupid foodguy nuts.'
18:18.22Sandwichman2448What?
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18:18.32pcjrfang facts? How wikify it?
18:18.32pcj<pcj> It's an unsorted list of hu
18:18.36pcjbah
18:18.36Sandwichman2448Um... How do you want me to fix that?
18:18.44pcj!wwstats
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18:18.56pcjI said how it should be fixed
18:19.07Sandwichman2448I see no problem.
18:20.35Sandwichman2448[[WoWWiki:Policy/Writing]]
18:20.38Sandwichman2448Hm...
18:20.43Sandwichman2448Maybe.
18:20.44KirkburnNewsbot went again :P
18:20.53Sandwichman244810 facts?
18:20.58Sandwichman2448Lame.
18:21.04Sandwichman2448No humor there.
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18:23.01Sandwichman2448Pcj?
18:25.17Sandwichman2448Pcj?
18:25.19Sandwichman2448Pcj?
18:25.19Sandwichman2448Pcj?
18:25.37Sandwichman2448You want... 10 facst?
18:25.42Sandwichman2448facts
18:25.56Sandwichman2448+/-
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18:26.23DottedFU
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18:28.38Sandwichman2448:(
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18:29.49pcj!wwstats
18:29.52Dottedthere we go
18:30.11[NewsBot]Channels stats: http://www.bxd.dk/irc/freenode/wowwiki.html
18:30.20pcj!jobqueue
18:30.22[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 9950 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 2hrs 45mins 50secs.
18:31.06Dottedhappy now Kirkburn :P?
18:31.14Kirkburn:D
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18:33.10Sandwichman2448X8 is sigging again...
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18:34.53[NewsBot]WoW Insider: WoW Insider Weekly - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/27/wow-insider-weekly/
18:36.25BagginswwI think sigs should be limited to only staff members ;)
18:36.39Sandwichman2448Ok.
18:36.43Bagginswwwhich you should be btw
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18:37.29Bagginswwwell you are a cleaner
18:37.32Bagginswwthat's staff
18:37.47Bagginswwalthough its not official organization?
18:38.01BagginswwI mean anyone can call themselves a cleaner?
18:38.43Sandwichman2448Dunno
18:38.50Sandwichman2448Wikisoap
18:38.53Sandwichman2448Unknown, but they serve one master. Speculation on WoWWiki includes Kil'jaeden, Deathwing (who must be busy with all this plotting), the Old Gods, and some sort of creepy alternaverse Medivh.
18:39.00Sandwichman2448Infinate dragons
18:39.19Bagginswwalternaverse Medivh?
18:40.20Sandwichman2448Dunno.
18:40.32Sandwichman2448WoW insider said it.;
18:40.38Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Dryad
18:42.06Sandwichman2448:)
18:43.00Bagginswwto be honest I don't know why LemonBaby assumed Aessina looked like a tree, LOL
18:43.17Sandwichman2448The files nameing it a shrine?
18:43.34Bagginswwits Dryad shrine" not Aessina Shrine ;)
18:43.52Sandwichman2448Not dryad tree spirt
18:43.58Sandwichman2448:P
18:44.17Bagginswwthere aren't any of those trees in aessina's shrine either
18:44.28foxlitalternaverse = land which everyone who cares about Lore is disqualified from making theories about.
18:45.15Sandwichman2448Woo!
18:45.39Sandwichman2448there is one in one of the saytr places i think.
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18:46.55Bagginswwhmm, cool I'll have to look for it
18:47.19Sandwichman2448http://www.wowwiki.com/Anilia
18:47.22Sandwichman2448By her
18:47.27Sandwichman2448It is dead.
18:47.33Sandwichman2448i may be wrong.
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18:50.57Bagginswwahh
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18:51.30Sandwichman2448X8 is alwas fun to correct.
18:55.13BagginswwBuilt ages ago by the night elves, this ancient shrine dedicated to the wilderness spirit Aessina lies in the midst of a forest glade in Ashenvale's heart. The shrine is a clear forest pool with a statue of Aessina, standing beside it, clothed only in ivy. Dryads are known to visit the shrine to venerate Aessina.WRPG 187
18:55.35BagginswwX8 is annoying. But doesn't cause alot of problems.
18:57.01Sandwichman2448His fanfic boils down to: 'High elves are teh going to rule the world!! Gnomes too!'
18:57.27Bagginswwuh huh
18:58.15BagginswwI don't read them, I don't read fanfic in general. But if his fanfic is as bad as his regular posts, it must be pretty poorly written.
18:58.52[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Engineering: 2.3 and beyond -
18:58.55Sandwichman2448I read everything by everyone.
18:59.09Sandwichman2448Sometimes.
18:59.21Bagginswwlol
19:05.31Oreeav weekend.. need.. more... honor.... stab.. my.. eyes....
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19:08.40Sandwichman2448Honor? they nerfed that.
19:08.57Sandwichman2448All PvP but ganking and point capture really.
19:09.22Sandwichman2448Until the promised-but-going-to-be-nerfed stuff in WotLK.
19:11.50Sandwichman2448Umm... I just opened a can of X8 flavored worms.
19:13.41Sandwichman2448HELP?
19:14.52[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Arena Junkie: Rock, paper, scissors? - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/27/arena-junkie-rock-paper-scissors/
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19:17.28KirkburnYay news
19:19.05Kaydeethree|2bleh for not having access to my computer with wow on it so I could get the patch done before I go back home
19:19.22Sandwichman2448the subzone tempate and box should match for Howling fjord.
19:19.28Sandwichman2448It doesn't
19:19.42Sandwichman2448My bad.
19:21.37Sandwichman2448I got to do things. Bye.
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19:32.32Sky2042lol kirkburn, you got called out
19:32.47Kirkburn?
19:32.59Sky2042http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kirkburn&curid=38481&diff=943484&oldid=941939
19:34.10pcjouch
19:34.18KirkburnHardly >_>
19:34.26Kasothat guy is a little demanding isnt he
19:34.45KirkburnSaying someone can do something isn't the same as telling them how to do it :P
19:34.54Sky2042lol
19:35.02Sky2042fine distinction
19:36.11KirkburnYeah, that sentence comes close
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19:42.25KirkburnBah, removing the sentence
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19:45.08KirkburnOoh, The Hinterlands has just gone foggy
19:45.23KirkburnMaybe there'll be rain
19:46.55KasoI love the weather, i wish there was more in outland
19:47.39Sky2042piu: when you clear a category, can you check for incoming links and change them to the correct category, then {{sd}} the cat?
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19:48.24piuyeah, I haven't {{sd}} ed any cats yet until I'm sure I got everything
19:49.16KirkburnAt least we know every Northrend zone will have it
19:49.22KirkburnDoes Nagrand ever get rain?
19:49.35Kirkburn(well, I'm pretty sure every zone will have it)
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19:50.35Kasoive never seen any outland weather except the bit at marsh a bit
19:50.58Kasoi guess the whole "floating chunk of rock in space" thing doesnt lend itself to weather
19:52.29Sky2042lol
19:52.33pcjI find it ironic that outland breaks off immediately behind the Dark Portal and there's nothing behind it, and that hellfire peninsula isn't amazingly broken up
19:52.36Sky2042how exactly are you breathing then?
19:52.38Sky2042xD
19:52.42Sky2042oh, of course pcj
19:54.34pcjAlso, the whole "gravity" thing
19:54.48KasoA wizard did it
19:54.49pcjOutland doesn't seem to have enough mass to still be 1 G
19:54.57KirkburnEver looked down?
19:55.08KirkburnBlizzard terrain modelling is very basic
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19:55.17KirkburnThere is no "underneath" :(
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19:55.29KirkburnIt goes all the way down
19:55.44pcjIt would be awesome if there were an underneath, with little outcroppings and places to hide
19:55.45KirkburnHey Sko
19:55.59piuthe turtle holding it up is massive enough to account for the gravity
19:55.59KirkburnAye, I'd love if we could fly under land, but alas
19:56.17Kasoturtles all the way down!
19:56.17pcjSkosiris: about using Wowhead for WoWWiki tooltips, that would be no-go :P
19:56.21KirkburnI'm wondering how Azjol Nerub will be created
19:56.25KirkburnAlso, yay @ Kaso :P
19:56.43KirkburnI'm sure it surely can't one huge model
19:57.06KasoWhen i was playing beta, and i got my flying mount, i spent the first few days checking every floating rock
19:57.10Skosirispcj: what do you mean?
19:57.20Sky2042skosiris: have you seen what pcj coded up? :)
19:57.24Kasoi hoped there'd be some cool NPC hiding out on one of them with a quest to give you
19:57.33pcjnot via AJAX anyway :P
19:57.36KirkburnBut it'd require an overhaul of the terrain system, so that more than one level of terrain is possible
19:57.39pcjever heard of XSS? :P
19:58.09pcjKirkburn, don't the islands above nagrand qualify as a second level of terrain?
19:58.14SkosirisSky2042: not recently
19:58.18KirkburnNah, they're just models
19:58.37KirkburnSame way that caves work
19:58.42pcjAh
19:58.49KirkburnModels with entrances on the terrain
19:59.02piukirkburn, I think entire cities are models, like IF and UC
19:59.07KirkburnIndeed
19:59.15piuso AZ would be no different?
19:59.21piuor you think it will be bigger?
19:59.32KirkburnSilvermoon City had an article on how it was created
19:59.34piuAzjol-Nerub that is
19:59.46KirkburnHmm, bigger I rather hope, it's an entire zone
20:00.21piuWell, I think wow's model code allows for partial loading, or they break it up into sections that are relatively seamless
20:00.53piuI've never experimented with the model viewer, but that's how I'd code it
20:01.22Sky2042Skosiris: http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Pcj/itemtooltip.js
20:01.42KirkburnMap viewer shows areas in sections, but I think WoW itself is much better
20:02.35Sky2042Skosiris: mouse over the [loot] over on the right side http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Chicken_Clucking_for_a_Mint
20:02.52KirkburnHowever, you can view entire cave system .wmo's in model viewer
20:04.15KirkburnYay Wetlands rain
20:06.27Sky2042Skosiris: mouse over the [loot] over on the right side http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Chicken_Clucking_for_a_Mint
20:06.30Sky2042gah!
20:06.42pcjomg spam
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20:07.28Sky2042piu: can you get all the names sorted first before subcatting? I can follow up your bot with somethin like autowikibrowser and fix up the cats at about 5/6 a minute. (i wish it weren't broken... i'd prolly be able to hit 10ish a minute)
20:07.35Skosirisappears to be working great
20:08.24KirkburnBtw, having pcj's js doesn't preclude us from using a proper one another time
20:08.25piuhow so? I'm sorting to subcats first now
20:08.31KirkburnOnce we're upgraded to 1.11 anyway
20:08.37piuthen moving everything out of the old cat
20:08.40Kirkburn(i.e. teomyr's wowhead extension)
20:08.54Sky2042piu: i mean, finish renaming the zones first, then work through the other stuff
20:08.55KirkburnCrap, took the wrong boat
20:08.59Sky2042owned!
20:09.10KirkburnYeah, hello Auberdine ><
20:09.32piuyou mean just auto-moving the articles?
20:09.59piufrom e.g. Zone:Badlands to Badlands??
20:10.01Sky2042yeah
20:10.09Sky2042then work through the NCPs and such
20:10.18Sky2042s/NCPs/NPCs
20:10.27piuWell, here's what I was gonna do:
20:10.48piuMake the NPCs and mobs subcats with the proper name
20:10.52[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Arcane Brilliance: Gears of war, part 1 - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/27/arcane-brilliance-gears-of-war-part-1/
20:10.59piuthen, move articles from the Zone: cat to the proper subcat
20:11.09piuthen clean up the remainder into the new base cat
20:11.14piuthen delete old cat
20:11.35piufewer edits that way
20:11.51piuEach article gets touched once with the correct category
20:12.48Sky2042"eh"
20:13.21piuhow does AWB do it?
20:14.00DottedFisker- http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/article352544.ece ;;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D
20:14.35Sky2042well, it takes a list of articles (which is the primary brokenness, as i can only get it from a user's contribs). then it basically moves through each one, stopping on the articles that contain a certain text to be edited, or what not. if the re-cat function were working, i believe that also happen semi-automatically
20:14.56Sky2042people developing it have said they aren't going to make it for other wikis, which makes me a sad panda
20:15.50piuI'm doing about 5-6 per min with pywiki, mainly because I'm throttling it to 10 seconds min per edit
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20:16.43piuit gets its article list directly from the category page, shows the first ~500 bytes of the page or so, and asks which subcat it should go in
20:16.47Sky2042yeah, i can usually get awb up to 5-6 a min
20:17.14Sky2042Kirkburn: is http://www.wowwiki.com/Instance move protect for some reason? :|
20:17.17theurge14<PROTECTED>
20:17.44KirkburnSky2042, yes, due to popularity
20:17.53KirkburnDid it a while back
20:18.05Sky2042can you move it back to Instance? I'm really curious as to why it was mved to "Instance guide"
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20:19.00KirkburnWait, what?
20:19.33piuSky, you just want me to move a category so you can use Piubot's contribs list to sub cat it?
20:20.13KirkburnI've reverted Instance back to the disambig page it used to be
20:20.15Sky2042piu: yes, but maybe later, when i get back on... mother is calling for something :|
20:20.32KirkburnBut Instance guide has never been at Instance
20:20.42Sky2042...
20:20.44piuOK, that's easy enough, when I go run some errands later I'll let it run on a few cats
20:20.56Sky2042why the hell are all those in different places? :|
20:21.05Sky2042that could all be on one page
20:21.21Sky2042piu: cool.
20:22.36KirkburnSky2042, dunno, it is a bit silly
20:22.47Sky2042something else to clean up
20:22.51Sky2042weeeeee
20:23.11KirkburnWell, instance guide is fine as it imo, but the related pages could be simpler
20:23.32Fisker-http://i21.tinypic.com/hs1jlk.png <-AWSUM FYSIX
20:24.18Sky2042kirkburn: they should all be on [[Instance]] >_<
20:24.31KirkburnWhy?
20:24.43KirkburnInstance should explain what an instance is
20:24.52Sky2042heh
20:24.52KirkburnList of instances would be the place for a list of instances
20:24.54Sky2042w/e
20:25.12Kirkburn:P
20:25.14Sky2042I'd rather it be on all the same page, as there isn't a real reason to separate them up
20:25.23Sky2042Fisker-: agreed. that is sweet.
20:25.28KirkburnFair, but don't want the pages becoming too long
20:25.37Sky2042Fisker-: lol,
20:25.43KirkburnFloating trees? Is that ... the emerald dream?
20:25.55Sky2042Kirkburn: too long? there are longer outthere :P
20:26.14KirkburnYou speaky da english?
20:26.19Fisker-doh
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20:26.36KirkburnC'mon, it's pretty long :P
20:26.45VoluspaaEVERYONE! LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY TO YOU ALL!
20:26.46bleeterKirkburn: I speak Eenglish goood. I learn it from a book </manuel>
20:26.49Voluspaahttp://youtube.com/watch?v=jxZRPGG1x8U
20:26.56Kirkburnbleeter, :)
20:27.18bleeterKirkburn: Oh, I know!
20:27.20Sky2042Kirkburn: anyway, the tables aren't on the main page.
20:27.30Sky2042they're on sub pages
20:27.33KirkburnTrue, it's more about scrolling though
20:27.35Sky2042or templates
20:27.36bleeterI know!
20:27.44VoluspaaHum-hum!
20:28.10KirkburnVoluspaa, holy hell. Is that what you just spent your afternoon making? :P
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20:28.21KirkburnSWG has elections iirc
20:28.32VoluspaaYes, am I good or what?
20:29.08bleeterI knoooow!
20:30.39VoluspaaAnyway Kirkburn. Perhaps you've changed your mind? :)
20:31.01KirkburnIt's not about me :P
20:31.15Voluspaa<------
20:31.25^MrMike^Hey all, hope someone can help me out. I'm pretty new to WoW and have a couple questions about Paladins. I've done a good amount of research both on the Wiki and other sites, but still confused over a couple things. Should I ask my (somewhat lengthly) questions in here or would someone be up to helping me out in private?
20:31.38VoluspaaSure
20:31.43VoluspaaAsk as much as you like
20:31.53^MrMike^Great, thanks!
20:32.08^MrMike^And please pardon me if I mess up on any terminology, still learning that as well. ;)
20:32.16VoluspaaNo problem.
20:32.42KirkburnDown goes Gahz'rilla!
20:32.50VoluspaaWell done! ;)
20:33.02^MrMike^My goal is to work towards a build that'll work well for soloing, as I usually just play WoW for a few hours a day and often don't end up going into groups.
20:33.16KirkburnHe's tough to solo ;)
20:33.47VoluspaaWhat level are you?
20:33.49KirkburnHmm, are ret paladins any good for soling in 2.3?
20:34.00^MrMike^I've found a bit of conflicting information on how to go about that. Or, I'm just misunderstanding what people are recommendating. I've seen recommendations for Holy/Protection and others for Holy/Retribution.
20:34.02Kirkburn*soloing
20:34.25^MrMike^One place on your Wiki where I looked is here: http://www.wowwiki.com/Paladin_builds and that page seems to recommend both...unless, like I said, I'm just confused.
20:34.28KirkburnRetribution is being improved somewhat in the next patch
20:34.30^MrMike^Right now I'm just level 12.
20:34.33VoluspaaI would go for retribution
20:34.43^MrMike^I'm trying to not take the wrong path.
20:34.48^MrMike^Okay.
20:34.53KirkburnI wouldn't worry too much
20:35.18KirkburnYou can always respec (change your talents) for a small fee
20:35.40^MrMike^True. I was leaning more towards the retribution angle, since more sites seemed to recommend that over protection.
20:36.07KirkburnYeah, I would too
20:36.08VoluspaaProtection is only good for tanking; group play
20:36.24^MrMike^Ah, gotcha.
20:36.27KirkburnI haven't played my 42 paladin for a while, but I levelled her as protection ... eww
20:36.28VoluspaaHoly is good for healing, which means group play too.
20:38.02^MrMike^Should the talens I build influence what spells I learn? For example, should I only learn Holy/Retribution spells, or is it okay to learn Protection spells as well?
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20:38.22VoluspaaOf course
20:38.46VoluspaaYou should learn all the spells you get
20:38.47piuit's always best to learn all your spells
20:39.02piuyou'll usually use everything regardless of spec
20:39.08VoluspaaAt which server are you playing?
20:39.11KirkburnNow that I've finished ZF, it's off to see if I missed any Winterspring quests
20:39.13^MrMike^Ah...that clears things up a LOT. :)
20:39.23^MrMike^I'm on Garona.
20:39.40VoluspaaU.S. or EU?
20:39.47^MrMike^U.S.
20:40.19Kirkburn(this channel is fairly evenly split between US and EU)
20:40.30bleeter(and freaks)
20:40.37^MrMike^lol
20:40.46Kirkburn(yes, one Australian freak)
20:41.17KirkburnDo you identify as Aussie or Tasmanian btw?
20:41.40VoluspaaI regard everyone here as Europeans anyway. America and Australia are just extentions of Europe. :P
20:41.46Kirkburnlol
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20:41.56^MrMike^lol
20:42.13bleetermeh, Europe's just a mix of African and Neanderthal
20:42.22piuand all europeoners are really middle-easterners?
20:42.23bleeterwith more Neanderthal afaict
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20:44.17^MrMike^Have to run, but thanks so much for the help!
20:44.30VoluspaaYou're welcome ;)
20:44.34^MrMike^:)
20:44.38VoluspaaOh, remember!
20:44.51VoluspaaVolus 08! Because you know what's right!
20:45.04VoluspaaNight-night :)
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20:45.19Sky2042piu: unless you're a mage...
20:45.24Sky2042-_-
20:57.08Fisker-suddenly i'll attack
20:58.00Dotted;O
21:00.04Sky2042_afkNINJAS, THOUSANDS OF THEM
21:01.09DottedOVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111
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22:02.27Bibi`Fisker- : Adys can ban too.
22:02.28Bibi`(and did)
22:02.38Fisker-yeah
22:02.39Bibi`well, it didn't work because Adys can't check the small "ban triggers" things
22:02.40Bibi`but he can.
22:02.44Adys[23:47:03] <Adys> I can ban people on mmo champ, just ask me next time
22:03.05Adysi did Bibi`
22:03.27Fisker-i was liek onos has to login and refresh the page a billiion times each time he posts a topic :(
22:03.54Bibi`Fisker- : saved the URL of the site ?
22:04.12Fisker-you mean the session id?
22:04.14Fisker-no
22:04.19Adysno
22:04.23Fisker-I logout, refresh the page, login, refresh the page
22:04.24Bibi`the URL he spammed
22:04.24Adysof the wotlk website
22:04.27Fisker-oh
22:04.46Fisker-something with w0rldofwarcraft.clanteam.com/
22:05.01Adyswow
22:05.04Adyshe tried real hard.
22:06.23Bibi`Fisker- : get me the exact URL (browse your history !)
22:06.32KirkburnWow, I just saw the weirdest bug - WoW got confused over who got aggro
22:06.42KirkburnI was running near Stonard on my 70, past a 36 scout
22:06.44Bibi`Kirkburn : tête à claques.
22:06.49KirkburnSuddenly I gain aggro, but not the from scout
22:06.59Fisker-i don't got history Bibi`
22:07.01Bibi`not the from scout ? :(
22:07.03Fisker-gonna try and guess it instead
22:07.07Bibi`Fisker- : bah, k
22:07.09KirkburnThen I see a guy bounding towards me away from 2 65 guards ... but they're chasing me!
22:07.27AdysKirkburn: want me to explain? :P
22:07.37KirkburnOkay?
22:07.41piuI've seen that screwy aggro before
22:07.51Fisker-can you see edit history Bibi`?
22:07.53AdysCity guards dont have the same kind of aggro over that
22:08.00Fisker-i saved a copy in the mods forum without the link
22:08.02Adysstonard's 65 guards are trigger spawned
22:08.08Bibi`Fisker- : nop
22:08.09Kirkburnoh?
22:08.15Adyshowever there is a maximum of x guards spawned per person and minutes
22:08.32Adyswhen you run past a civilian its supposed to spawn a guard
22:08.45Adyshowever, the other guy already spawned them
22:08.52Adysnormally, you'd spawn another guard
22:08.58Fisker-it's definitely something with http://w0rldofwarcraft.clanteam.com
22:09.08KirkburnNot a civilian though, I was way outside the entrance, passing a scout at greater distance than should aggro them
22:09.09Adysbut instead you get his guards since you cant spawn more
22:09.43Adysi think certain guards are considered as civilians
22:09.48Adysor spawn guards themselves
22:09.50Adysim not sure though
22:11.49KirkburnSounds like it could be related
22:13.44KirkburnSunken Temple time :P
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23:50.55Sky2042i r back...awoken from my slumber by a phone call
23:52.17Sky2042Kirkburn: did you ever see http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Zone_Screenshots in your hunt for FM?
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23:53.44KirkburnSummoning Hakkar :P
23:54.29Sky2042well, ok, you do that
23:57.03KirkburnNope, didn't notice it :P
23:58.27Sky2042piu: still workin on subcats?
23:58.51piuyup, but I'm gonna play some 49 WSG when I'm done with Wetlands
23:59.02piuyou need a cat moved for AWB?
23:59.21Sky2042or 3 :)
23:59.28piuwhich ones

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