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01:14.45KirkburnYay, new critter and featured article already :P
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01:41.05Kaydeethreewow
01:41.22Kaydeethreelot of vandals spam-linking wow-toolbox
01:44.22Kaydeethreeany wikia personnel on to do an IP ban? I've got 7 names going on [[WoWWiki:Violations]] momentarily
01:45.06CustodisI think they already IP banned them
01:45.09Custodisthey seem to have stopped
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02:14.18KirkburnQuestion - is captcha on adding external links enabled?
02:14.38Kirkburn(as an admin, I don't know, fun eh :P )
02:14.55KirkburnKaydeethree, ping
02:15.06Kaydeethreepong
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02:15.20KirkburnDo you know if captcha is enabled? :P
02:15.25Kirkburn(also, enjoying 2.3?)
02:15.42Kaydeethreedunno and yes, one sec
02:16.42Kaydeethreenot in the User: space
02:17.06KirkburnIn the Main namespace?
02:17.22KirkburnTrying to work out how the spammer did his stuff earlier
02:17.57Kaydeethreenope
02:18.05KirkburnNo captcha/
02:18.07Kirkburn?
02:18.10KirkburnThat's odd
02:18.11Kaydeethreeno captcha
02:18.27Kaydeethreehttp://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Getting_on_the_Test_Realm&diff=938537&oldid=925528
02:19.22KirkburnWeird
02:19.52KirkburnDiscussion "measures" with Wikia now :)
02:19.58Kirkburn*discussing
02:20.42KirkburnThanks btw :)
02:20.47Kaydeethreeno prob
02:20.59Kaydeethreeping me if needed, I'll be on for another few hours
02:21.45KirkburnI shouldn't be, I need to sleep :P
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02:23.24KirkburnBtw Kaydeethree we're essentially showcasing your work on the Main Page atm - Dustwallow Marsh is the FA :P
02:23.48Kaydeethreeoh, sweet.
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02:37.06KirkburnI'm off to bed
02:37.12KirkburnHere's hoping for a quiet night! :P
02:40.47pcjkirkburn, kirkburn, come quick, spambots!!!!
02:41.11Kirkburn|sleepYou evil f*cker
02:41.26Kirkburn|sleepYou set my heart racing then ><
02:42.35Kirkburn|sleepAlso, yes Coming Soon has looked weird to me for a while
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02:45.47Kirkburn|sleeppcj, stop disconncting when I shout at you :P
02:46.11pcjk
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03:36.45pcj~seen laurly
03:36.46infobotlaurly <n=laurly@0x50a4082e.vgnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 12d 19h 18m 46s ago, saying: 'now you see why i posted it kal found it on relm forums thought it was weird'.
03:39.13pcjher bot is going to have a lot to do if/when it gets back
04:02.00Fisker-man |Pixel|
04:02.03Fisker-you already fail :(
04:02.08Fisker-This forum is currently undergoing maintenance, please check back at a later time.
04:02.19Fisker-and you have the "navbar" in the top directing to the US site
04:11.20pcjqq more
04:12.53CustodisWhat is laurly?
04:16.05pcj[[User:Laurly]]
04:16.05[NewsBot]pcj meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Laurly
04:21.21pcjhmm
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05:00.59Sky2042pcj: looking busy... what have ye been doin?
05:02.11pcjwhat
05:03.18Sky2042the wiki. what have ye been doing? :P
05:03.24Sky2042just curious
05:03.50pcj[[Special:Contributions/Pcj]]
05:03.50[NewsBot]pcj meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Pcj
05:04.05pcjthere you go, have fun
05:04.36Sky2042lol
05:04.42Sky2042in general
05:05.33pcjSpecial:Random, fix the page, repeat
05:06.07Sky2042ah
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09:50.23ahirmanhellwhere can i find midis of WoW?
09:50.29ahirman*hello
09:50.40ahirmani'm searching for thesad theme playing in this video
09:50.49ahirmanhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQBCYvfbH_c
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13:49.19VoluspaaAmericans sign petition to ban water: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw
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13:51.30Kasoi love bullshit, but that bit seems a little contrived for my liking
13:52.27VoluspaaNah
13:52.34pcjFoxlit were you going to run Foxbot through its own update queue or were you expecting me to
13:52.49foxlit|macThe prior.
13:53.08foxlit|macsign a petition to ban petitions!
13:54.36VoluspaaHmmm...
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14:05.06winkillerI demand that you do my bot request, foxlit :P
14:05.22winkillerthe last one on WW:BR *hint*
14:05.55winkilleror anyone give me some resourced, I'll fire up my own bot
14:06.42foxlit|mac~pil
14:06.42infobotmethinks pil is Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language.  The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0.  The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1.
14:06.47foxlit|macThere done.
14:07.10foxlit|macconvert Articles tagged Category:Quests:Horde, Category:Quests:Alliance, Category:Quests:Neutral to Category:Horde quests, Category:Alliance quests, Category:Neutral quests?
14:07.21winkilleryes
14:08.10foxlit|macCan't you just subcat them in some fashion and live happily ever after? :)
14:09.09Kirkburn|sleepcrazy talk
14:09.11foxlit|macI mean, there's no real reason to force deprecated categories out of circulation - they should just naturally die as they're changed :)
14:09.37Kirkburn|sleepWell, during transfer you have two categories, neither of which are comprehensive
14:09.49Kirkburn|sleepSo yes, they do need doing all at once :P
14:09.56foxlit|macWho cares? :)
14:10.13foxlit|macPeople don't usuaully use categories for navigation
14:10.32foxlit|macAt least not "(Faction) quests" :)
14:10.36foxlit|macSimply too many
14:11.21KirkburnIt's still something that needs changing
14:11.44foxlit|macThere's no supporting argument behind "it needs changing now" :)
14:12.08KirkburnWell mainly for making the site look professional
14:12.14VoluspaaGood afternoon, Kirkburn.
14:12.50VoluspaaHow are you today?
14:16.12Kirkburnfine thanks
14:17.28pcjDid you figure anything out with wikia about the spambots
14:17.31VoluspaaGlad to hear it
14:17.39VoluspaaMe?
14:17.43KirkburnNot heard back from them yet, no
14:17.48VoluspaaWell, I'm thinking about making one
14:18.01VoluspaaI'll call it Volubot.
14:18.41pcjkirkburn, what exactly did the protection of [[Server:Balnazzar US]] edit=autoconfirmed accomplish
14:18.59KirkburnNothing much, but shows that it's watched
14:19.12pcjAs opposed to every other article?
14:20.11KirkburnAs opposed to every other page that isn't being continuously vandalised?
14:21.16VoluspaaYou refering to Wowwiki?
14:21.35VoluspaaYou're funny, Kirkburn.
14:22.05pcjNo he isn't
14:22.24VoluspaaYes, Kirkbun's a funny guy
14:22.31VoluspaaKirkburn*
14:24.04VoluspaaA bit quiet though.
14:29.01VoluspaaHave you ever been in Belik?
14:30.02pcj~seen skosiris
14:30.04infobotskosiris <n=abc@bas4-montreal02-1096703110.dsl.bell.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowhead, 2d 19h 35m 6s ago, saying: 's'.
14:31.11VoluspaaPjc?
14:31.21pcj~seen laurly
14:31.23infobotlaurly <n=laurly@0x50a4082e.vgnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 13d 6h 13m 23s ago, saying: 'now you see why i posted it kal found it on relm forums thought it was weird'.
14:32.09VoluspaaPjc, have you ever visited Belik in Denmark?
14:32.26pcj!wwstats
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14:34.19pcjit's just three letters >.<
14:34.46Kirkburnhmm?
14:34.57pcjhe calls me pjc
14:37.21Kirkburnoh lol
14:41.10winkilleraaw, only #19 - I have to spam more :(
14:44.29winkillerlol, Bagginsww didn't have anyone to talk to and performed 57 monoloques (writing over 5 lines in a row).
14:44.40pcjyes he tends to do that
14:45.00KirkburnOh wow
14:45.08KirkburnThe new WoW Atlas is cool
14:45.20Fisker-no!
14:45.23pcjHow so
14:45.26Fisker-down with the new WoW Atlas
14:45.54winkillerwow what?
14:48.49KirkburnAdded news to the Main Page
14:49.25kadrahilatlas, as in the mod?
14:49.51Kirkburn[[World of Warcraft Online Atlas]]
14:49.51[NewsBot]Kirkburn meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_Online_Atlas
14:50.47winkillerwtf
14:50.55KirkburnIt's pretty well coded
14:51.05winkillerthat wow-europe.com page procs a wow.co.kr noscript thingy
14:51.15kadrahilKirkburn: cool
14:51.16winkillerwhy the hell do they crossref the KR page
14:51.41winkillerand why the hell didn't I update to Ubuntu Gutsy earlier
14:51.48winkillerthis compiz version is the best ever :)
14:51.58KirkburnLol, they show the feralas --> feathermoon stronghold transport on the Horde map as well ><
14:52.31KirkburnNot only that, but you get a choice of three songs to play
14:52.39winkillerI got my headphones at home
14:52.48winkillergrmbl., at work for 7h and no music, ffs
14:53.04Kirkburn|Pixel|, ping :P
14:57.40Kirkburn|Pixel|, only thing I've noticed is about the "Horde" feralas --> feathermoon path :P
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15:07.57VoluspaaIngen er så nyyyydelig som duuuu!
15:08.33pcjugh http://www.wowreputationcalculator.com/Dernham/Maelstrom/US/ = fail
15:09.01VoluspaaNais
15:12.36VoluspaaWhat does it do?
15:13.00pcjWhat?
15:13.45VoluspaaNever mind :)
15:14.32Voluspaapjc, you know AFKDuTempete, right?
15:15.04KirkburnWhat about her?
15:15.45VoluspaaI'm trying to find out how to content her.
15:15.58Kirkburno_O
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15:18.00KirkburnVoluspaa, for what?
15:18.18VoluspaaTo make her hate me less.
15:19.05KirkburnAh, you meant *contact
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15:19.18VoluspaaNo...
15:19.28KirkburnOh, true :P
15:19.49KirkburnThat was very ... "archaic" of you :)
15:20.15VoluspaaI don't want to contact a person who sends me threats written with lunatic letters.
15:20.46Kirkburn>_>
15:21.02VoluspaaAny ideas?
15:21.27KirkburnI'm more wondering what you mean by that last line
15:21.40KirkburnTo content her, just don't piss her off
15:22.00Voluspaaloony letters
15:22.35kadrahilpcj: rofl
15:22.59kadrahilpcj: i blame the human rep racial!
15:23.14pcjworking on timbermaw now :P
15:23.29kadrahilpcj: that's the server my brother is on
15:23.36pcjhorde or alliance
15:23.39kadrahilhorde
15:23.42pcjwhat's his character
15:23.51kadrahili don't remember how to spell it, let me figure it out
15:24.10KirkburnFrankly, Voluspaa, I don't believe you, or you're describing something different to how it sounds
15:24.12kadrahilhttp://wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Maelstrom&n=Telemathus
15:24.34kadrahilhe also has a warlock in that guild in 3/5 T5
15:24.45pcjHeh, never heard of him or his guild
15:24.58pcjBut then I'm not horde :P
15:25.04VoluspaaYou know, a letter with sentences made up of alphabetic elements taken from various newspapers.
15:25.11kadrahilpcj: heh yeah
15:25.12pcjDid he transfer
15:25.36kadrahilpcj: no, he rolled there after BC came out, his original character (hunter) was hacked
15:25.43KirkburnVoluspaa, er, okay, and you got one of these?
15:25.45kadrahiland blizzard wouldn't give it back to him after the second time it was hacked
15:26.03KirkburnHacked?
15:26.09KirkburnHe should get a better password :P
15:26.11kadrahilaccount, rather
15:26.12VoluspaaI get a lot from angry people all over the World.
15:26.28kadrahilwell, he was kind of dumb, he said he used some kind of mod that "saved his password" so he didn't have to "type it to login"
15:26.35kadrahili would've smacked him if i was near him when he said that
15:26.40KirkburnVoluspaa, err, okay
15:26.44VoluspaaI'm just kidding with you, Kirkburn :P
15:26.46pcjThat wouldn't be a mod
15:26.56pcjThat would be something which is against the ToU
15:26.57kadrahilwell, a program
15:27.03pcjwhich is probably why blizzard didn't help him :P
15:27.10kadrahilheh probably so
15:27.11KirkburnVoluspaa, oddly enough, I'm not falling off my chair with surprise right now :P
15:27.54kadrahilwhat the crap,he told me he had legacy
15:27.59kadrahiland he's still wearing the spear :o
15:28.13VoluspaaKirkburn, have you ever been in Belik in Denmark?
15:28.23KirkburnNo, but I have been to Copenhagen
15:28.44KirkburnA long loooong time ago
15:29.04Voluspaahttp://www.visitbelik.com/
15:30.15VoluspaaWhat do you think?
15:30.36kadrahilwhat's this grind on av harpies from 51-57 these people are talking about?
15:32.18VoluspaaWell, I have to go now. Bye bye :)
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15:33.11pcjugggh
15:33.18pcjsometimes i wonder if he isn't part moron
15:34.14EvilGrinonos, database error :/
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15:34.54EvilGrinhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Primal_Mooncloth_Bag :(
15:35.11Kirkburnpcj, heh
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15:38.08Kirkburnlol, did no-one notice we have sortable tables?
15:38.14pcji did
15:38.56Kirkburn:P
15:42.22pcjSo when are all the "broken" links to the server/guild pages going to be fixed
15:45.58pcjbah, i need more +deflect gear to get past those ghostly stewards
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15:56.38Fisker-in b4 no deflect in WoW
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16:36.55pcjanyone here ever done heroic shattered halls
16:37.10foxlitPfft, TK prereq
16:37.17pcjdid you?
16:37.21foxlitYes!
16:37.29pcjdo you know what that execution thing is all about
16:37.56foxlitEnd boss kills prisoners.
16:38.05pcjyes what effect does it have
16:38.19foxlitPuts an effective timer on the completion of a few quests
16:38.29pcjhmm which ones
16:38.39pcjonly one i know is nightbane and TK attune
16:40.08dreamssnightbane is only the first boss
16:40.17pcj..yes
16:40.20foxlitTK attunement, for example, requires an unused blade of the executor
16:40.24pcjaha
16:40.38foxlitThat was, of course, horribly bugged.
16:40.44foxlitBut perhaps people fixed it since then
16:40.53pcjwell ofc you don't even need it now
16:41.07foxlitYeah, that's a real pity
16:41.25dreamssonly reason to do it is to get the hero of the aladari title
16:42.14dreamsswhich is crap
16:42.16dreamss\imo
16:42.55Fisker-There's 3 prisoners in there
16:43.03Fisker-he executes one after 55 minutes or something like tha
16:43.04Fisker-that
16:43.07foxlit<PROTECTED>
16:43.07BibiFisker-
16:43.08Fisker-then one again 15 minutes after
16:43.10Bibibeen on 4chan lately ?
16:43.11Fisker-Bibi !
16:43.13Fisker-yes
16:43.17Fisker-i got soup
16:43.18Fisker-btw
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16:43.23dreamssfoxlit?
16:43.24Bibisoup ?
16:43.25Fisker-fix old repair bot new mats
16:43.26Fisker-soup
16:43.26Bibiwait
16:43.27pcjwhat's the point of having more than one prisoner
16:43.31BibiI don't even want to understand
16:43.33Fisker-there's a quest in there
16:43.42Bibianyway
16:43.47dreamssfor flavor
16:43.48dreamss:P
16:43.51foxlitdreamss: "aladari"
16:43.53Bibisomeone mailed me about a news called "best wow loot ever"
16:44.01Fisker-:)?!
16:44.03Bibiand gave me this link http://cgi.4chan.org/s/src/1193317110023.jpg (NSFW NSFW NSFW AT ALL)
16:44.03dreamssheadless horse?
16:44.11Bibi:/
16:44.18Bibisometimes, I really feel like my job is hard
16:44.44Raws:-|
16:44.48Fisker-why would one send a 4chan link?
16:44.55Fisker-It's a wonder it survived 5 minutes
16:45.05Fisker-though it's probably because of the girl in the picture
16:45.33Bibiactually
16:45.37Bibiit's more than an hour old.
16:45.40Bibiepic 4chan post I guess
16:46.42dreamssi wonder if those are female hormone pills
16:46.48dreamssor there a male name on them
16:47.18pcji wonder how much the fat guy who actually plays the character paid her
16:47.27dreamss^^
16:47.58BibiIt's Mia Rose
16:47.59Bibiyou all suck
16:48.06Bibiwell, she does too, technically
16:49.39dreamsssomeone famous? :P
16:50.07Dottedseems Bibi knows her
16:51.12Bibihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mia_Rose_%28pornstar%29 !
16:51.19dreamsslol
16:51.35dreamssi bet bibi updates that wiki
16:52.31foxlit"retradins" bet that was desingned for puns
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16:55.56Dottedhttp://www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=34&num=97594 wtfowned
16:57.18Fisker-lol i'm 20
16:58.34kadrahillevel 20?
17:02.06Fisker-i love this raid already
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17:05.11Fisker-It was awesome
17:05.15Fisker-some druid in our raid was like
17:05.41Fisker-"Water is flowing out the tubes how do i turn it off?"
17:05.41Fisker-:D
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17:13.47sannse!blame
17:13.49sannseheh
17:13.53sannsewrong channel ;)
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17:53.43n8hello
17:54.25n8Ahh nobody here
17:54.30n8<-- is alone
17:54.45Kasoi am here
17:55.32Kasocan i help?
17:56.09pcjno
17:56.12kadrahilno
17:56.46n8peoples!
17:56.50n8hi peoples :)
17:56.50pcjwhere
17:57.02n8entities then
17:58.41n8well, im leaving
17:58.45n8bye bye
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17:58.56Kasothat was bizzare
17:59.02pcjsorry
18:00.35Kasoim confused
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18:04.27pcj!jobqueue
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18:09.56pcjhi keolah :)
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18:12.42Zealaww, where's the welcome wagon? :p
18:12.50Arcane_NBwelcome Zeal!
18:13.04Arcane_NBhave some rough stones courtsey of the chamber of commerce
18:13.12ZealO_o
18:13.56Zealanyways, don't worry i won't be butting in on any wowwiki stuff, just thought i'd sit here and listen to the wonderful discussions that go on, lol.
18:14.44Zealthough i do have to do one thing for nostalgia..
18:14.49Keolahhi
18:15.14Kirkburnlo zeal
18:15.21Zeal;)
18:15.42foxlit~logs
18:15.43infoboti heard logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz
18:16.01pcjlol kirkburn it doesn't work quite as intended http://www.wowwiki.com/Scroll
18:16.36ZealKirkburn, i take it that bug i had with the tooltips got fixed btw? noticed it went the next day.
18:16.52Kirkburnpcj is the man for that :P
18:17.03Gryphenyou had custom css enabled zeal
18:17.06Gryphenor js
18:17.10Zealnope
18:17.21ZealKirkburn had deleted those, so i know for sure ;)
18:17.24KirkburnWhat bug?
18:17.40Gryphenthought that was the bug you were referring to
18:18.08pcjok got scrolls somewhat fixed
18:18.09Kirkburnpcj, what doesn't work as intended?
18:18.12Zeali was getting the mouse over tooltips show up on any element using the qc-common (this it was common, mgiht have been poor though, i forget).
18:18.14KirkburnOh right
18:18.17KirkburnYeah, caption ftw
18:18.26pcjIt's not sorting by level right tho
18:18.27Zeal*class
18:18.39KirkburnZeal, oh that one
18:18.40Zeal*think
18:18.46KirkburnI think I passed it on :P
18:18.50Zealcool
18:18.52pcjoh nvm they had it formatted badly
18:18.55Fisker-i love you and you love me :O
18:19.05Zealwell as i said, seemed it was fixed, was just making sure.
18:20.01pcjcan you give an example zeal
18:21.22Zealhad soemthing like <span class="qc-common">Other</span> when i moused over it, a tooltip appeared with the typical error statement about the item not meant to be linked to or not existing.
18:22.08pcjwhen was it
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18:25.36Zealhm.. let me check.
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18:26.15Zeal16th
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18:27.57pcjWell, I haven't done anything to change that part of it since then
18:29.14Zealhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Old_Gods_speculation#Old_God_of_Hiji needs to be removed btw. It's the same chinese based babblings that was added to various other articles. It's refering to dragon isle as being Hiji, which is wrong. Also saying it's built on na Old God, which there's nothing to imply. Also that silly pentagram thing.
18:29.14Zealweird
18:29.27pcjThen remove it :P
18:29.34Zealwell i had it happen at some point prior on the front page too, but no idea what the link was, because it happened while i scrolled and thus the tooltip loaded when i was way past the link.
18:30.41Zeallol pcj, i don't plan to touch anything on the wiki outside my userspace again that i don't have to.
18:31.32Zealsteam has turned into a social network now? :S glad i uninstalled it the other day.
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18:33.25ZealBagginswww, you;re actually alive then? :p
18:33.36Bagginswwwyou thought iwas dead?
18:33.45Zealno, just afk. lol
18:33.51Bagginswwwlol usually afk ya
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18:35.33Zealanyways, food. bbl
18:36.17pcjomg he's all lowercase now
18:45.46pcjeww http://www.wowwiki.com/Wisp_%28April_Fools%29
18:56.06foxlitHaha
18:56.07foxlithttp://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaren_Xpress
18:56.20foxlithttp://www.wowwiki.com/Introducing_the_Tinfoil_Hat
18:56.29foxlitclearly that {{wikify}} tag is calling me!
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18:59.55t-motionhello
19:00.10t-motionpcj: it works
19:00.16pcjk
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19:34.39KirkburnBagginswww, difference between animal and creature?
19:34.55Bagginswwwcreature includes all races
19:34.58Bagginswwwincluding sentient
19:35.02Bagginswwwand sapient
19:35.11Bagginswwwanimal is less than sapient
19:35.20Bagginswwwan ogre is a creature
19:35.29Bagginswwwa pig would be an animal
19:35.52KirkburnNot quite that clearcut
19:36.06KirkburnGoing by the RPG description, animal is a subcat of creature
19:36.41ecstasiait is
19:36.47ecstasiaas baggins just said
19:36.53KirkburnObviously it's completely false in real life though, seeing as we are most certainly "animals" :
19:37.03ecstasiawe are animals and more than animals
19:37.14Kirkburnecstasia, by which I mean, croks are both creatures and "animals"
19:37.28ecstasiaand chompy
19:37.35Kirkburnlol
19:38.19Bagginswwwyes exstasia
19:38.23ecstasiawhy do hunters insist on bringing crocolisks into the AH?
19:38.35Bagginswwwbut they have to have all kinds of classifications for the rpg for mechanic reasons
19:39.10Bagginswwwwell ya int he RPG kirkburn creature is given two definitions
19:39.37Bagginswwwthere is the creature-class, and the creatures
19:39.47Bagginswwwcreature-class are generally your sapient races
19:40.02Bagginswwwbut aren't the main races
19:40.18Bagginswwwand more monster like
19:40.23Bagginswwwusualyl Monsterous humanoids
19:40.49KirkburnCategorised - http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Animals
19:40.58Hobinheimis not pork sentient AND tasty?
19:41.17Bagginswwwlong pork?
19:41.51KirkburnHobinheim!
19:41.55KirkburnHello :)
19:42.00Hobinheimyo =)
19:42.19Bagginswwwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Vermin
19:42.21KirkburnWhat is this, the Twilight Zone? First zeal, now Hob :P
19:42.39KirkburnHow are you?
19:42.59Fisker-i'm attacky
19:43.07KirkburnNot you :P
19:43.19KirkburnNever you ;)
19:44.37Hobinheimi'm good
19:44.40Hobinheimstill busy at work
19:44.52Hobinheimmy remote computer crashed so i had to buckle down and install trillian locally
19:44.58Hobinheimwhile i was at it, i figured why not fire up the irc
19:45.18Hobinheimmy schedule definitely has not freed up, but i haven't forgotten about my duties! o7
19:52.16Kirkburnhehe
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20:17.00pcjlol http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Harder_to_Tank
20:19.56Kasowtf is that
20:20.21VoluspaaIt's wowwiki :P
20:22.44foxlitHrm, software ignore or headware ignore?
20:24.11VoluspaaBæ.
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20:27.06VoluspaaHobinheim is back :)
20:27.20foxlitThink I'll go with software after all.
20:28.52VoluspaaDo you know what my web idols are?
20:39.22Hobinheimwhat are your web idols?
20:39.39VoluspaaNo
20:39.41VoluspaaThey are...
20:39.58VoluspaaRonald Reagan
20:40.03VoluspaaMargaret Tatcher
20:40.09Voluspaa<PROTECTED>
20:40.33Hobinheimwho tanks the hardest out of all of them?
20:40.35Kirkburn[[Videos]]
20:40.37[NewsBot]Kirkburn meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Videos
20:40.38VoluspaaYou could become one though... are you something special?
20:40.39Kirkburn^ :)
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20:41.09Hobinheimi dunno... am i?
20:41.09KirkburnMargaret Thatcher? How is she a web idol?
20:41.14Hobinheimi don't think i was as special as i was when i was active
20:41.44VoluspaaKirkburn, you don't know what a web idol is?
20:41.59KirkburnSpecifically "web"
20:44.56VoluspaaWell, a web idol is a person who has inspired you to make your alter ego what it is.
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20:45.18Gryphen-.-
20:46.20Kirkburn*sigh*
20:46.34Gryphenwaste of skin
20:49.23pcjlol
20:52.06Kirkburn{{speculation}}
20:52.08[NewsBot]Kirkburn meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:speculation
20:52.12KirkburnI just updated the text
20:52.30KirkburnIt said the sections could include "unsubstantiated rumor" >_<
20:52.46KirkburnLike hell ...
20:53.11KirkburnGryphen, why plainlinks for sortable tables?
20:53.55Gryphencause the external link icon is ugly, and its not an external link
20:54.30KirkburnWhat isn't?
20:54.54Gryphenhmm?
20:55.05KirkburnWhat isn't an external link?
20:55.10Gryphenthe sort targets
20:55.25KirkburnThey come up as external links?
20:55.56Gryphenthe table headers showed the sort direction image and next to it the external links image
20:56.09KirkburnWeird
20:56.19KirkburnI never saw that
20:56.39pcjMe either
20:57.55KirkburnRemoved and reloaded IE7 and FF - nothing
20:58.07KirkburnSure it's not one of your scripts again?
20:58.57Gryphenim seeing them currently
20:59.03KirkburnOn IE7?
20:59.14Gryphenya, (and) again?
20:59.17KirkburnNone on my copy
20:59.32Hobinheimyou sure it's not web gremlins
21:00.24pcjOr web idols
21:00.34Gryphennuked js and css and still see em
21:00.49KirkburnThe elink icons come from the browser afaik
21:01.07KirkburnIt renders them after seeing the CSS, so it has to be on your end tbh
21:01.36Gryphenuh what lol
21:01.54Gryphencss is what ads the icons
21:02.02Gryphenadds
21:02.09KirkburnYes, so it has to be a browser issue
21:02.25KirkburnMy IE7, which should be identical to yours, isn't getting them
21:02.43KirkburnHowever, you're the one who runs weird scripts :P
21:02.44pcjwhere is .sortarrow defined
21:02.54Grypheni dont have any weird scripts?
21:03.00Gryphenwtf you smoking lol
21:03.18KirkburnI thought you did, a few days ago
21:03.27Bagginswwwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Galen_Trollbane#Prince_or_King
21:03.42KirkburnMaybe I'm misremembering a convo with someone else
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21:03.55pcjwhere is .sortarrow defined
21:04.20Gryphenprobably someone else
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21:13.56Bagginswwwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Speculation
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21:20.27Bagginswwwgg, petrus did it again
21:20.31Bagginswwwmixing lore and game mechanics
21:21.50Hobinheimlol
21:50.50KirkburnOoh, zeppelins have crews now :)
21:52.36foxlitBaggins: could you not shorten that down soemwhat?
21:52.56foxlitKind of tall :)
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22:05.38Kirkburnfoxlit, what is?
22:05.42KirkburnThe speculation template?
22:05.52foxlitYeah, 5 lines versus the usual 3 :)
22:06.05KirkburnWhat browser is that?
22:06.10foxlitSafari
22:06.36KirkburnShould be better now
22:06.51foxlitYeah, that's better
22:07.06KirkburnI can only assume safari shows "small" larger than other browsers
22:07.19foxlitYep, it's way more readable too
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22:08.39foxlitSortable tables bug as well
22:09.00foxlitAll sorting happens by the first column no matter which you click on
22:09.06foxlitAt least on http://www.wowwiki.com/List_of_Paladins
22:09.28KirkburnGet a better browser
22:09.33foxlitWrite better code.
22:09.41Kirkburnit's not my code, it's built in code
22:09.47foxlitGet better code.
22:10.01KirkburnWorks fine on IE7 and Fx2 :P
22:10.32foxlitSo it's been adapted to fit the peculiarities of two browsers?
22:13.38pcjlol
22:13.46pcjthe two most widely used browsers?
22:14.02Gryphenlived without sorting for this long
22:14.10Gryphenif it dont work, dont click
22:14.15Gryphenhah
22:14.55foxlitI don't really care, tbh :)
22:15.02foxlitIt's not exactly a feature I've ever wanted
22:15.15KasoI am far too blasé about mopping up water from the inside of my PC.
22:15.26Zealmore likely it's been designed to fit the standards and handle the quirks of two specifc browsers and no one lieks safari so doesn't like code for it's quirks or lack of features ;)
22:15.36Zeal*like to code
22:16.12Zealand to point out, i get external link icons on IE7 too Gryphen
22:16.20Gryphenthx Zeal
22:16.25pcjit's obviously user error
22:17.13Zealso, hows it done, javascript only or?
22:17.16KirkburnPC Format has been running monthly guides on washing your PC
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22:17.32Gryphenjs only
22:17.37Kirkburnor as they call them "monthly guides on giving the publisher's lawyers heart attacks"
22:18.01Zealsigh, wish people would stop moving so much work client side : /
22:18.02KirkburnThis month it was washing your monitor in the shower
22:18.24Zeallaggy pages ftl
22:18.25KirkburnPreviously there was soaking your PSU in the kitchen sink
22:18.28pcjlol zeal can't really do that server side
22:18.52Zealnot on the wiki without alot of custom php, of course not.
22:19.17pcjso quit complaining about a feature
22:19.20Zealpoint is javascript should jsut deal with the transition and xml request, leave the logic server side.
22:20.23Zealjust don't want to end up avoiding ww because it becomes as horrible to use as armory ;)
22:20.52pcjthat's why i allow people to disable tooltips :P
22:21.08Kaydeethreenoscript <3
22:21.10Zealhm, i may just do that actually.
22:21.22KirkburnGet a better PC too :P
22:21.46KirkburnSorry, I'm just saying it as much as possible since I got my new PC :P
22:22.06Zeali don't really make use of them, always was happy to know they're a click away. if anything they annoy me when they popup randomly as i scroll :p
22:22.12Zeallol
22:22.22Zeali'm waiting on amd to stop dragging their feet.
22:24.11Kirkburnoh?
22:25.01Zealbeen nothing i've wanted to upgrade to other than an x1--- series gfx card. more ram would be nice, but been no 1gb dimms i've fancied and with the move to DDR2, no point to now.
22:26.00KirkburnI've an 8800 GTS 320
22:26.46Zeali've an X850XT PE
22:26.53KirkburnEver so slightly regretting not going for more RAM on it, but WoW runs as as butter. Company of Heroes can slow a bit, but that's cause I've got it on the DX10 settings
22:27.14KirkburnBtw, explosions on DX10 ... omg, gorgeous
22:27.30Zealwow used to run fine for me, until tbc.
22:27.42KirkburnAye, I had the same
22:27.58Zealdoesn't help when blizz have decided to put everyone's sound hardware to waste and completely fuck up surround sound.
22:28.03KirkburnToo many explosions and glowy things in Outland :P
22:28.21KirkburnCreative and Blizz are working on it now
22:28.30Zealseems i stopped raiding at the right time, my last raid, i could no longer hear my own attacks.
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22:29.14KirkburnOh, that sounds like the channels problem
22:29.14KirkburnThey increased that in 2.2.3 iirc
22:29.14Zealyep, it didn't fix it
22:29.16Zealproblem is still there
22:29.35Zealchannels has no impact on it. (ever since tbc i've run with 1 anyways)
22:29.50KirkburnI'm hoping you don't actually mean "one"
22:29.54Zealinfront, behind and ontop of the char, sound volume is extremely low.
22:29.56Zealyes, 1.
22:30.18KirkburnYeah, er, I think you're missing my meaning
22:30.26KirkburnChannels - number of sounds that can play at once
22:30.39Kirkburn2.2.3 increased the default from 12 to 32
22:30.52Zealw/e the lowest setting on wow is them, lol.
22:30.57Zeal*then.
22:31.33KirkburnSound location problems? Never heard of that before, very odd (and annoying)
22:31.43Zealbut anyways, it's not caused by the channels, i've never had channel sound issues. they are played, just very very low.
22:32.47Zealalso sounds aren't moving. they play and stay where they started from. so a moutn running past you for example, still sounds like it's behind you even though it's just gone past. very disorientating.
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22:34.14Kirkburnweird
22:34.16KirkburnAudigy?
22:34.17Zealand then the very simple fact they switched to a pure software sound engine, so it's rendered everyone's hardware ineffective. more cpu usage, lower fps.
22:34.44Zealnope, hm.. let me check what it's called.
22:34.59KirkburnTried updating the drivers?
22:35.34ZealVia Envy24, onboard.
22:35.46KirkburnGoing from hardware to software with sound isn't that much of an impact, I'm pretty sure it's not quite that clearcut
22:36.11Zealwhy would i need to? functions correctly in all games other than wow, and has onyl broken since wow switched the engine.
22:36.50KirkburnWell, one of their main reasons was compatability
22:37.00Zealthe sound tasks aren't being offloaded to sound card anymore and alot of the soundcard's specific features will no longer have control. At least that's what i got form it when i did soem reading last.
22:37.36KirkburnSuch features are rarely used, Audigy excepted
22:37.54Zealaye, but it's like telling someone to buy a usb headset when they have a top quality sound card.. you've jsut rendered it completely useless and lowered the quality for the sake of compatibilty where it wasn't needed.
22:38.48KirkburnOne of WoW's main attractions is to run on as many PCs as possible, I think that's at least part of the reason
22:39.49Zealremember reading they said the move was to facilitate new effects and the voice chat. tbh, i've got no new effects (reverb? who the hell wants it, plenty of cards can do it if you really want it) and i have no interest in using the voice chat.
22:40.02KirkburnWell, it's not all about you, is it :P
22:40.18Zeali'm not the only one effected though.
22:40.18KirkburnReverb was certainly something new, and it does sound pretty good
22:40.35Zealand it;s less pronounced when so few people evne have wow setup for surround sound.
22:40.54KirkburnI'm on a 2.1 setup, reverb is very obvious when walking into IF
22:41.12Zealno, i mean the negative effect this new engine has had.
22:42.32Zeali notice the reverb, sure. But i don't like it, seems a rather pointless feature. They had been trying to implement it previous to this, would crop up at random for some people and they hated it.
22:43.03Zealgranted some people would be me and a handful of people i know :p
22:45.16Zealapprently i have a max of 8 streams btw. just incase you were interested :P
22:45.25Zealer.. *channels
22:47.26Zealwtf, video ads in rollovers now, what is the web coming to.. : /
22:47.50pcjit's coming to more visitors to http://adblock.mozdev.org
22:48.57pcjhttp://upload.lightspeedguild.com/brooms.jpg
22:49.27Zealhm.. well i use avant, built in ad filtering like that anyways.
22:49.56Zealcomes pre-loaded with plenty of decent filters so i generally put up with the ones that get through.
22:50.10Zealit's the mouse over ones i hate though : /
22:50.16Zealalways get in the way.
22:50.21Dottedew IE :(
22:50.37Gryphenew !IE
22:51.19Zealooo IE! :p
22:51.25pcjew document.element
22:51.30Dottedwell no body cares for your opinion Gryphen!
22:51.36Dotted;p
22:51.47Grypheni care, so lie
22:52.17pcjyeah, well you're nobody, so there
22:54.00Zeali hate ie7's ui. when it comes to it's actual functionality as a browser, i hate firefox and ie7 equally. But avant gives me soemthing in between which i can actually cope with using day in and out unlike firefox. So it's my browser of choice, but i have several isntalled.
22:55.21pcjface.palm();
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23:25.24KirkburnGotta love adding youtube videos to the wiki :P
23:25.44KirkburnOnce we're upgraded to 1.11 we'll get the proper youtube extension which will simplify it somewhat
23:25.51Kirkburn<youtube>code</youtube> essentially
23:25.57Bagginswwhmm kirkburn in  tusklord article there is a "picture of the Tusklord" I don't think he has a picture in Lom
23:26.10Bagginswwand I haven't heard any confirmation he'll appear in game
23:26.37BagginswwI think someone's just assming that's Hrak'kar
23:27.01KirkburnWhy wouldn't he appear?
23:27.16KirkburnIf he's racial leader, he should certainlt appear in his capital city
23:27.27Bagginswwnot all leaders in the RPG have been leaders in the time WoW takes place
23:27.44Bagginswwinfact WoW is notorious for bringing in someone else
23:27.54BagginswwJin'zekk vs. Malacrass
23:27.54KirkburnThe history of the tuskarr likely isn't quite so complicated I'm sure :P
23:28.16KirkburnIn any case, we'll see :P
23:28.17BagginswwTime is usually the factor
23:28.21Kirkburnaye
23:28.25BagginswwLands of Mystery takes place at least 2 years before Wrath
23:28.46KirkburnSo, you don't know where the image is from?
23:28.48Bagginswwand that artwork is just called "Tuskarr chieftain"
23:28.54Bagginswwthey have several chieftains actually
23:29.11Bagginswwwe haven't heard anything about the Tusklord in relation to wrath however
23:29.48KirkburnTrue, but we only know of the Kaskala settlement atm, and it has to have a chieftain, which we've been given a picture of. The RPG says it's him, so since we don't have a discepancy, I don't think we need worry
23:30.13KirkburnObviously, if we hear the chieftain being someone different, then we worry :)
23:30.51Kirkburn(maybe if by having this we influence Blizz into keeping Hrak'kar, all the better :P )
23:31.16Kirkburn(rational and modest thought ftw)
23:33.08Bagginswwits from wrath concept art
23:33.13pcjBah, what's with all the Stormwind edits
23:33.16Bagginswwon the wrath website
23:33.29Bagginswwkaskala is like 400 settlements
23:33.35Bagginswweach with their own chieftin LOL
23:33.42BagginswwThe Tusklord is the leader of them all
23:34.31pcjSo...Wrath is going to add 400+ reputation factions?
23:34.35Kirkburnlol
23:34.58KirkburnEven if each hut of Kaskala was it's own settlement we'd have like ... four.
23:35.33KirkburnOne hopes/assumes that it extends down the coast with outlying huts we've not yet seen
23:35.46KirkburnBtw, the videos I added to the WotLK article - may not have all been seen
23:36.03KirkburnCertainly the IGN ones were new to me, but then I wasn't able to view them in the US
23:36.13KirkburnIrony ftw :)
23:36.28Bagginswwya kirkburn how often do we ever see the extend of any town in WoW?
23:36.32Bagginsww*extent
23:36.53KirkburnWell true
23:37.02BagginswwI'm pretty sure all of Goldenshire's 7000 people aren't cramped into what we see in game ;)
23:37.26pcjThe innkeeper went mad and chopped them all up and stores them in his cellar
23:38.01pcjAnd I bet you thought those barrels were full of wine
23:38.06BagginswwLOL where the warlocks live?
23:38.15Bagginswwcannibal warlocks heh
23:38.17pcjWhy do you think they live there
23:38.45BagginswwI'm just pointing out that their are warlocks hiding down there ;)
23:39.15Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Tusklord_Hrak%27kar#Gallery
23:39.21Bagginswwokjust needs a no-pic for the infobox
23:39.36BagginswwI left the chieftain on the page, but pointed out that it isn't confirmed
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23:40.27Bagginswwanycase kaskall has a population of 12,500 heh
23:40.54BagginswwThe tuskarr capital is a collection of villages, none of them with more than 400 people but clustered so close together they create one larger unit.
23:43.28Bagginswwso unknown number of villages, but each 400 people
23:44.14Bagginswwkirkburn so you have beta? you lucky :p
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23:46.35KirkburnI have beta?
23:46.40KirkburnNews to me :P
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23:47.13Kirkburn15 mins until new Main Page stuff :D
23:47.28Bagginswwthought you said you came across a shovelhorn
23:47.28KirkburnBagginsww, I likely will do, once it starts
23:47.36KirkburnI was at Blizzcon, silly
23:47.40Bagginswwoh
23:47.57KirkburnIf I had any sense I would have written down what I saw
23:48.05Bagginswwheh
23:48.48KirkburnLike when Sandwich added the Vengeance Lift zone earlier, I thought "oh, yeah, I remember that"
23:49.05KirkburnPretty cool lift tbh
23:49.11Bagginswwya?
23:49.28KirkburnGated like the Undercity lift, giant pulley system
23:49.37KirkburnAnd bloody tall
23:49.53Bagginswwooh
23:50.16KirkburnBasically a lift from the bottom to the top of the gorge
23:53.09KirkburnK, so I decided to finally make the shovelhorn article
23:54.09KirkburnI think there were also golden eagles, but I'm not certain they were "golden", so I can't add them
23:55.32Bagginswwthere is an awesome bridge in LotRO across this huge gorge on the way up to Angmar
23:55.47Bagginswwsmall town on one side trying to hold back the orcs on the other side
23:55.59Kirkburnooh, cool
23:56.02KirkburnStill playing?
23:56.12Bagginswwvery little time but I do when I can
23:56.20Bagginswwat least I don't have to pay for it monthly :)
23:56.56Bagginswwthe thing I like about the game is while it still has the scale issue its a bit better hidden
23:57.06Bagginswwalmost every town has something to make it special
23:57.30Bagginswwsometimes landmarks or just the shape of the town

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