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| 00:54.57 | sparc | waa. raid called. people no show up. |
| 00:55.06 | sparc | who runs heroics 20 minutes before raid starts |
| 00:56.14 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Prices for Arena Season 1 items revealed - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/15/prices-for-arena-season-1-items-revealed/ |
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| 01:35.40 | Corgan | so delicious and moist |
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| 02:16.41 | Kaydeethree | huh... Jarl's quests have changed in 2.3 too. iiiinteresting |
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| 03:40.58 | Bagginsww | wow, looks like I was right. |
| 03:41.24 | AFKDuTempete | What were you right about, Bagginsww? |
| 03:41.26 | moveax | regarding? |
| 03:41.26 | Bagginsww | that new artwork with brothers Stormrage and Tyrande is the cover for Warcraft Archive |
| 03:41.37 | AFKDuTempete | Ahhh |
| 03:41.46 | Bagginsww | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1416552030/ref=s9_asin_image_1/102-0124055-7863322?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1R2EET1JKSS9MJACAASY&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=311499201&pf_rd_i=507846 |
| 03:42.03 | Bagginsww | The artwork was put up on Sons of the Storms half a month ago |
| 03:42.10 | Bagginsww | I was trying to figure what it was going to be sued for |
| 03:42.12 | Bagginsww | *used |
| 03:42.25 | Bagginsww | I was thinking the archive |
| 03:42.31 | Bagginsww | *War of the Ancients |
| 03:42.57 | Bagginsww | but there was already some earlier promo cover listed, so I wasn't sure |
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| 04:38.15 | Bagginsww | hmm this is a rumor int he rpg forums that Blizzard may have dropped the RPG line |
| 04:38.27 | Bagginsww | maybe it hasn't been selling enough |
| 04:38.42 | Bagginsww | someone claiming that one of the blizzard officials said it during a panel at gencon |
| 04:38.55 | moveax | rog line? |
| 04:39.05 | moveax | rpg |
| 04:39.21 | Bagginsww | the Pen and Paper rpg |
| 04:39.27 | Bagginsww | role playing game |
| 04:39.35 | moveax | blizzard do a p&p rg? |
| 04:39.38 | moveax | rpg |
| 04:39.56 | Bagginsww | {{Warcraft RPG}} |
| 04:39.57 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Warcraft_RPG |
| 04:40.03 | Bagginsww | erm |
| 04:40.06 | Bagginsww | [[RPG]] |
| 04:40.07 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/RPG |
| 04:40.31 | Bagginsww | let me try this again |
| 04:40.39 | Bagginsww | [[Warcraft RPG]] |
| 04:40.39 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Warcraft_RPG |
| 04:40.46 | Bagginsww | there you go |
| 04:40.53 | moveax | haha |
| 04:40.55 | moveax | cheers |
| 04:41.03 | moveax | silly triggers, btw |
| 04:41.21 | moveax | . ! # or ' would be better, and easier to remember |
| 04:41.23 | moveax | and type |
| 04:42.13 | moveax | looks decent |
| 04:43.38 | Sky2042 | Bagginsww: i saw the rumor at SoL. |
| 04:43.38 | Bagginsww | ya? |
| 04:43.38 | Sky2042 | uh huh |
| 04:43.44 | Sky2042 | I would say it's very possible, unfortunately. |
| 04:43.44 | Bagginsww | I dont' believe it until Whitewolf announces something |
| 04:43.47 | moveax | Seal of Light? |
| 04:43.49 | Sky2042 | neither will I |
| 04:43.49 | moveax | :P |
| 04:43.52 | Bagginsww | but ya sky it could be possible |
| 04:43.58 | Bagginsww | whitewolf has been very slow with their boooks |
| 04:44.04 | Bagginsww | and have very limited print runs |
| 04:44.08 | Bagginsww | they are very hard to get |
| 04:44.15 | Sky2042 | factions has just about... died? xD |
| 04:44.36 | Bagginsww | if dark factions isn't finished it would be unfortunate with all the artwork released for t :( |
| 04:44.42 | Bagginsww | but maybe that's why the artworkw as released :p |
| 04:44.46 | Bagginsww | to the public |
| 04:45.05 | Bagginsww | maybe he knew it wouldn't be printed so he released it on his website |
| 04:45.12 | Bagginsww | or rather devinat art |
| 04:45.12 | Sky2042 | that was the conclusion of the guys at SoL also |
| 04:45.17 | Sky2042 | let me see if i can dig the thread up |
| 04:45.28 | Bagginsww | I'm wondering if we should put up speculation notice for it |
| 04:45.37 | Bagginsww | in dark factions article |
| 04:45.52 | Sky2042 | nah, it would go in [[Warcraft RPG]] or some such. |
| 04:46.03 | Bagginsww | why hnot the dark factions article? |
| 04:46.18 | Bagginsww | if its discussing possibility that the book won't be released |
| 04:46.40 | Sky2042 | it seems to me that the whole series is done. |
| 04:46.43 | Sky2042 | if so. |
| 04:46.45 | Bagginsww | the main warcraft RPG article can mention the series as a whole |
| 04:48.18 | Sky2042 | mhm |
| 04:49.33 | Bagginsww | I'm going to add something you can add a link. |
| 04:51.35 | Sky2042 | i'm looking for it :\ |
| 04:52.42 | Sky2042 | actually, baggins, if you can find the link on the wow forums, that'd be cool. |
| 04:55.07 | Bagginsww | I only know of one link in wow forusm |
| 04:55.13 | Bagginsww | erm rpg forums |
| 04:56.54 | Bagginsww | we should put all the dark factions artwork into a gallery in the article |
| 04:58.50 | Sky2042 | http://forums.scrollsoflore.com/showthread.php?t=2092 |
| 04:59.24 | Bagginsww | k can you add the link to dark fations article? |
| 04:59.29 | Bagginsww | in the speculation section I added |
| 05:01.31 | Bagginsww | well if we are lucky maybe they'll release whatever was written direct to PDF |
| 05:01.43 | Bagginsww | they hinted at one point that's how they'd like to take the rpg |
| 05:01.48 | Bagginsww | as its cheaper than paper |
| 05:03.01 | Sky2042 | lol, "cheaper than paper". of course it is. |
| 05:03.38 | Bagginsww | that ref is fine |
| 05:03.43 | Bagginsww | ya LOL |
| 05:04.30 | Bagginsww | ya its also interesting that none of that artist's artwork has the copyright data on it either. That Sons of the Storms puts on theirs. |
| 05:12.06 | Bagginsww | oh btw I found a good citation method for video game content |
| 05:12.09 | Bagginsww | on wikipedia |
| 05:12.35 | Bagginsww | its similar to your ref method |
| 05:12.37 | Bagginsww | the fancy one |
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| 05:14.48 | Bagginsww | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cite_video_game |
| 05:14.59 | Bagginsww | some it can be trimmed out |
| 05:15.06 | Bagginsww | since we obviously know the publisher LOL |
| 05:15.20 | Bagginsww | but it allows for people to quote and give specific locations to find info |
| 05:15.30 | Bagginsww | without cluttering the main part of the article |
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| 05:17.13 | piu | "cite video game" wikipedia is awesome |
| 05:20.05 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 05:21.52 | Bagginsww | ok so what is the gallery command? |
| 05:22.54 | piu | <gallery></gallery> |
| 05:23.01 | piu | stick images in between |
| 05:23.12 | Sky2042 | there's a fancy template for it, but that one's just fine |
| 05:23.14 | Sky2042 | <gallery> |
| 05:23.19 | Bagginsww | thansk |
| 05:23.47 | piu | [[Frost AoE grinding]] uses a gallery |
| 05:23.48 | [NewsBot] | piu meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Frost_AoE_grinding |
| 05:24.25 | Bagginsww | oh by the way sky did you read my article for [[Garithos' Elite Guard |
| 05:24.33 | Bagginsww | [[Garithos' Elite Guard]] |
| 05:24.33 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Garithos'_Elite_Guard |
| 05:31.29 | Sky2042 | lol, i love making 4k edits |
| 05:32.11 | Sky2042 | Bagginsww: thumbs up? |
| 05:32.14 | Sky2042 | :p |
| 05:32.24 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 05:32.47 | Bagginsww | basically sky I made it to show eveyrone that units come out of specific buildings and to stop people saying the pandarens were "experiments" LOL |
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| 05:35.38 | Bagginsww | well I just ordered two more of the history of middle earth books to complete my collection |
| 05:35.41 | Bagginsww | just need like 3 more |
| 05:35.50 | Bagginsww | I have the first 5 in paperback |
| 05:36.15 | Bagginsww | and last one in hardcover |
| 05:36.32 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Dark_Factions#Gallery |
| 05:37.06 | Sky2042 | noice |
| 05:39.15 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Dark_Portal |
| 05:39.41 | Bagginsww | I just hope we don't have to put up a "cancelled" template on that at some point :( |
| 05:41.31 | Bagginsww | I hope that's all the released artwork |
| 05:41.32 | Sky2042 | ah well, such is life. |
| 05:53.21 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Dark_Factions#List_of_announcement_and_proposed_release_dates |
| 05:53.32 | Bagginsww | added the forever pushed back release dates :p |
| 05:53.56 | Bagginsww | That's a very long time to hold back a book LOL |
| 05:54.35 | Bagginsww | it usually doesn't take 4 years to finish a book |
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| 06:21.08 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Warcraft:_The_Roleplaying_Game#Official_Source_of_Lore |
| 06:22.29 | [NewsBot] | World of Raids: Arena Season 3 Armor Sets are up on PTR - http://boards.worldofraids.com/topic-8138-1.html |
| 06:23.37 | Bibi | yearsbehind.com |
| 06:23.39 | Bibi | :D |
| 06:24.02 | `-FISKER_Q\ | fuyyeah |
| 06:24.04 | `-FISKER_Q\ | >*U |
| 06:25.57 | Bibi | all images stolen from http://www.arenajunkies.com/showthread.php?t=1601 |
| 06:25.59 | Bibi | not bad. |
| 06:28.10 | `-FISKER_Q\ | FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL |
| 06:28.14 | `-FISKER_Q\ | http://www.wowblues.com/us/artifact-2366552419.html |
| 06:28.26 | `-FISKER_Q\ | Apparently Eyonix never got the memo stating it was changed to a golden color |
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| 06:40.06 | Bagginsww | ok it gets worse sky |
| 06:40.36 | Bagginsww | http://warcraft-rpg.blogspot.com/ |
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| 06:40.47 | Bagginsww | read that it sounds like MagusRogue is broke |
| 06:40.55 | Bagginsww | which would imply he isn't working right now |
| 06:41.22 | Bagginsww | as he was one of the main authors of the line that doesn't bode well |
| 06:41.41 | Bagginsww | he hasn't actually posted in Warcraft RPG forums since july |
| 06:42.23 | Bagginsww | yep further down he says flat out he's out of a job |
| 06:46.19 | Sky2042 | that is bad |
| 06:46.54 | Bagginsww | ya :( |
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| 07:07.13 | Veles | Привет всем! русские есть? |
| 07:12.58 | Bagginsww | speak english or I will kick you ;) |
| 07:14.08 | Veles | i dont speak english! |
| 07:14.22 | Veles | #wow-ru |
| 07:14.47 | Sky2042 | that would be an issue. |
| 07:15.04 | Sky2042 | Bagginsww: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_cabals |
| 07:15.07 | Sky2042 | :] |
| 07:15.20 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 07:15.54 | Veles | pleas join #wow-ru |
| 07:16.15 | Sky2042 | Roses are red, violets are blue. In Soviet Russia, Wikipedia delete you! |
| 07:16.22 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 07:16.29 | Veles | pleas join #wow-ru -russian chanel |
| 07:16.31 | Sky2042 | From "Deletionist cabal" |
| 07:17.00 | Veles | What install WoW in Linux ? |
| 07:17.16 | Bagginsww | my sister did that :p |
| 07:17.36 | Bagginsww | because she lost her copy of windows and her boyfriend gave her linux instead |
| 07:19.45 | Veles | Where download "WoW The Burning Crusade" |
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| 07:20.56 | Veles | Where download "WoW The Burning Crusade"? |
| 07:23.36 | Veles | Where download "WoW The Burning Crusade"? |
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| 08:16.31 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Around Azeroth: Meet Al'ar - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/15/around-azeroth-meet-alar/ |
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| 08:55.48 | Bagginsww | jouy theron again |
| 08:57.03 | Bagginsww | he's annoying because he gets so offensive |
| 08:57.10 | Bagginsww | and defensive aobut stuff |
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| 09:11.11 | Baconia | wassa yo |
| 09:21.25 | bleeter | Bagginsww: if you wanted a change of pace, I could get defensive and offensive about stuff |
| 09:21.36 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 09:24.37 | bleeter | don't you bloody laugh at me |
| 09:24.39 | bleeter | bloody ops |
| 09:24.46 | bleeter | how's that do? |
| 09:25.07 | Kalroth | awww |
| 09:26.37 | bleeter | shut yer voicem Kalroth... just 'coz you've got a permanent +v don't make you special! |
| 09:26.45 | bleeter | well, special as in touched, maybe |
| 09:27.06 | Kalroth | :( |
| 09:27.15 | Kalroth | Don't make me yell on Adys! |
| 09:27.22 | Adys | sh |
| 09:28.25 | bleeter | noooo not the frog! |
| 09:31.32 | Baconia | yeah I was sure this channel would have a little more action than it does atm. |
| 09:31.44 | Baconia | I mean alot of us WoW players are nocturnal |
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| 09:32.01 | bleeter | try later in the week, and not early morning US/late night EU ;) |
| 09:32.43 | Baconia | yeah, this would be more abouts the time I would be on. I work swing shift and I hate it. |
| 09:34.53 | winkiller | huh? |
| 09:35.02 | winkiller | it's nearly noon here in europe servertime |
| 09:39.55 | bleeter | gah, my bad.. I was going off my US server time, and my localtime, stabbing wildly in the dark halfway in between and getting it horridly wrong ;) |
| 09:40.27 | winkiller | lol |
| 09:40.42 | winkiller | us is weird anyway |
| 09:40.50 | winkiller | how many timezones you got? 3? |
| 09:40.50 | bleeter | meh |
| 09:40.57 | winkiller | or 8? |
| 09:40.58 | bleeter | yer all behind the times far as I can tell |
| 09:41.15 | bleeter | hell, I'm ahead of most of my countrymen at the moment |
| 09:42.02 | winkiller | what date and time you got? |
| 09:42.03 | bleeter | the_squid: what's it like using an ISP that's got goatse man as a logo? |
| 09:42.10 | bleeter | Tue Oct 16 20:42:09 EST 2007 |
| 09:42.28 | winkiller | oh, ahead? |
| 09:42.39 | bleeter | yeah |
| 09:42.42 | bleeter | the hint was above |
| 09:42.59 | winkiller | so you had your maint already? |
| 09:42.59 | bleeter | I calculated EU time as halfway between a US time and my localtime... and still got it wrong ;) |
| 09:43.05 | bleeter | what maint? |
| 09:43.13 | bleeter | Oceanic has maint same time as US |
| 09:43.29 | bleeter | and I don't think there's gunna be maint this week, no notice on the login screen |
| 09:43.39 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Theron_the_Just#This_is_your_one_warning ;P |
| 09:43.47 | winkiller | weekly maint. is also maint. |
| 09:43.50 | bleeter | and given there were, what, 3 maints in a row recently, they prolly want to avoid it as much as possible until 2.3 hits |
| 09:44.09 | winkiller | no clue, I can seldomly play wednesday before noon |
| 09:44.13 | bleeter | before the last 3 patches, they went for 3 realm restarts |
| 09:44.18 | winkiller | so.. do they actzally take down every week? |
| 09:44.20 | bleeter | at least in the US |
| 09:44.31 | bleeter | takedown's generally for patches |
| 09:44.58 | bleeter | they're aim is for patch one week (extended maint), restart the next, short main, restart, patch... rinse repeat |
| 09:45.08 | winkiller | ah I see |
| 09:45.20 | bleeter | but unexpected client side patches and stuff can throw a spanner in the works, meaning things get outta sync and users QQ lots |
| 09:46.48 | winkiller | I still don't get the need for weekly maint. |
| 09:46.49 | bleeter | Bagginsww: that don't link no-where that I can see |
| 09:47.10 | winkiller | I mean, they got lots of users, but how the hell can't it run for a month or two? |
| 09:47.25 | bleeter | back in the dark days, before series 2.0 of the servers, it was necessary to clean out dirty databases, apply server side fixes that they couldn't hotfix, and stuff |
| 09:47.31 | winkiller | each server on their own isn't hardly as loaded as other stuff |
| 09:47.38 | bleeter | refinements etc. means that this has become less of an issue |
| 09:47.43 | winkiller | l2code, blizz :P |
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| 09:48.01 | winkiller | well, but you gotta be thanful |
| 09:48.07 | winkiller | before wow i played Ragnarok Online |
| 09:48.10 | bleeter | each server actually exists as a DB inside a cluster, the continents are the different HW |
| 09:48.14 | winkiller | THAT server is a horrid monster |
| 09:48.27 | winkiller | it runs on windows on a vanilla MSSQL |
| 09:48.41 | bleeter | gotta remember that MMORPG, when blizz started, hadn't really been done by anyone |
| 09:48.44 | winkiller | and the restart of the zones takes 40mins |
| 09:48.55 | winkiller | not true at all, bleeter |
| 09:49.02 | bleeter | and they had to learn as they went along, and they never expected the massive number of players that they got |
| 09:49.16 | winkiller | EQ, DaoC, RO, many more |
| 09:49.30 | winkiller | and well, how many _realms_ are there in WoW? |
| 09:50.09 | winkiller | 9 mio subscribers on.. dunno 90 servers would be 100.000 each |
| 09:50.20 | winkiller | there are at least 180 servers, if not more |
| 09:50.25 | bleeter | realm != server |
| 09:50.34 | winkiller | their problem |
| 09:50.45 | winkiller | I would separate it |
| 09:51.00 | bleeter | and, as far as EQ, DoaC, RO etc. goes, yes, the release dates are different, but that's not what I said |
| 09:51.48 | bleeter | I was talking about when blizzard started looking at it, etc |
| 09:52.23 | winkiller | I have no clue about their netcode |
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| 09:52.33 | bleeter | as with the other companies, blizz also made some bad design decisions... however, their growth has outstripped the other companies thus amplifying the original poor design decisions |
| 09:52.41 | winkiller | yeah ofc |
| 09:52.52 | winkiller | all the others got 500k subscribers max I guess |
| 09:53.40 | bleeter | so, the original weekly maintenance was an effort to try to keep up with the growth whilst keeping things reasonably stable for a decent amount of time, delivering patches for the major problems etc., that couldn't be fixed on the fly |
| 09:54.50 | bleeter | software development cycles tend to function poorly when met head on with commercial realities |
| 09:54.50 | winkiller | well, planned schesule is always better |
| 09:55.00 | winkiller | not at all |
| 09:55.08 | winkiller | if you know you need performance, you plan ahead |
| 09:55.22 | winkiller | because otherwise there IS no commercial success :P |
| 09:55.25 | winkiller | or even reality |
| 09:56.06 | bleeter | indeed, so they planned weekly maintenance. they also analysed the code to identify bottlenecks, analysed the hardware bottlenecks as well, they then had to recode those sections, order the new hardware in, set it all up, test it out, etc. this took them the best part of a year |
| 09:56.13 | bleeter | all whilst still designing BC |
| 09:56.42 | bleeter | and while trying to keep the 'old' system ticking over, delivering new content, etc. |
| 09:58.21 | bleeter | that they managed to survive at all is quite a miracle. luckily, though, it'd appear from what we've seen of the 2.1 content, as well as the 3.0 (WotLK) plans, they've learned deeply from that experience and now have the tools in place |
| 09:58.49 | Corgan | Crystalforged War Axe vs Apexis Cleaver |
| 09:58.54 | Corgan | for a justhit70 warrior |
| 09:59.21 | winkiller | no clue, dunno cleaver |
| 09:59.23 | bleeter | I mean to say, that sure 'weekly maintenance' used to happen... but so did frequent restarts for several days after a major patch. things seem to be a heck of a lot smoother these days (even if still things do get a little bugged out - witness the Dark Iron Dwarf invasion for Brewfest - the servers couldn't handle the load) |
| 09:59.35 | winkiller | yeah |
| 09:59.49 | winkiller | lunchtime! |
| 09:59.50 | winkiller | bbl |
| 10:00.01 | bleeter | but the oceanic realms used to be unplayable for about 10-15 minutes each night when honor was updated, around 9 or 10PM (depending on summertime) |
| 10:00.08 | Corgan | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32663 vs http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31291 |
| 10:00.26 | bleeter | and if a guild had been hitting on something major, frequent restarts may have been needed as well... |
| 10:00.57 | Corgan | cleaver gives more AP less crit |
| 10:01.16 | Corgan | and has higher topend |
| 10:01.25 | bleeter | so yeah, the weekly maints used to be a necessary thing due to scaling issues as well as patching, at a guess... these days, it seems more related to patching. |
| 10:01.31 | Corgan | Fisker-! |
| 10:01.33 | bleeter | mmm food, great idea |
| 10:11.05 | Bagginsww | adys you on? |
| 10:11.27 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Ragestorm |
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| 10:38.43 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Ragestorm#Baggins_reverts_of_my_edits |
| 10:38.45 | Bagginsww | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.47 | Bagginsww | anyone? |
| 10:39.00 | Bagginsww | I'm about to go to bed |
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| 10:42.45 | Kaso | The highly polished mirror effect |
| 10:47.40 | Kaso | Being unable to see your flaws, except reflected in the actions of your opponent. |
| 10:48.25 | Bagginsww | I know |
| 10:48.59 | Bagginsww | I'm just trying to tell him that articles are a group effort they don't have to be limted to how he views things. |
| 10:49.19 | Bagginsww | That its the sum of the sources that gives the big picture |
| 10:49.24 | Bagginsww | but he won't listen :p |
| 10:49.33 | Bagginsww | He's obvioulsy got something against me |
| 10:49.41 | Bagginsww | or he wouldn't have whined to ragestorm |
| 10:49.58 | Kaso | He wont listen because in his eyes you are doing exactly the same thing of limiting it to how you view things |
| 10:50.04 | Bagginsww | ok now he's using nazi arguement |
| 10:50.08 | Bagginsww | what's that called again'/ |
| 10:50.12 | Kaso | Godwin |
| 10:50.16 | Bagginsww | thanks |
| 10:50.36 | Kaso | Godwin's law |
| 10:50.38 | Kaso | to be exact |
| 10:53.14 | Kaso | I like how say's its speculative if or if not Prestor's nation exisited, therefor he thinks its reasonable to plain assume it didn't, its like people who argue that you can't say for sure wether or not god, therefore you should assume he does, thats bad logic. |
| 10:53.27 | winkiller | LOL |
| 10:53.29 | winkiller | godwin'ed |
| 10:55.50 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 10:56.02 | Bagginsww | anyone care to defend me :p |
| 10:56.12 | Bagginsww | I hate argueing with rocks |
| 10:56.20 | winkiller | grab paper |
| 10:56.55 | Kaso | can't you use your admin powers to silence him for ever like hitler's SS did |
| 10:56.57 | Kaso | oh damnit! |
| 10:57.01 | Kaso | http://xkcd.com/261/ |
| 10:57.50 | winkiller | ohyeah |
| 10:57.54 | Bagginsww | that's morbidly funn |
| 11:01.09 | Corgan | I love second wind. |
| 11:01.11 | Corgan | It's amazing :D |
| 11:02.51 | Bagginsww | well gnight |
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| 11:06.25 | Fisker- | Does Battlemaster have an internal cooldown like spellsurge? |
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| 12:28.21 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: /silly: The tension is mounting - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/16/silly-the-tension-is-mounting/ |
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| 13:44.24 | winkiller | LOL http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Majorspoiler |
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| 14:05.30 | garm | good afternoon |
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| 17:08.40 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: The race to 70: Why the rush? - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/16/the-race-to-70-why-the-rush/ |
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| 17:21.04 | Bodhi | Since Update to KDE 3.5.8 WoW doesn´t start - only the launcher starts and that´s it - Does anyone has a hint ? |
| 17:21.49 | Bodhi | I play WoW within wine |
| 17:28.22 | Kaso | tried starting the wow executable directly skipping the launcher, then see what error messages wine gives you |
| 17:30.09 | Kaydeethree | or just start up from a shell, pretty obvious indication of what the error message in the wine output most of the time |
| 17:32.25 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Playing WoW with an Xbox 360 controller via Switchblade - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/16/playing-wow-with-an-xbox-360-controller-via-switchblade/ |
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| 17:58.36 | pcj | *sigh* http://www.wowwiki.com/Crow_Control |
| 17:59.00 | Bagginsww | ok what does one do if a steam game gives you "engine Error" Plantform Error module failed to initialize? |
| 17:59.13 | Bagginsww | note that I've tried removing the game and reinstalling it several times |
| 17:59.20 | Bagginsww | *platform |
| 17:59.34 | Bagginsww | half-life source btw. |
| 17:59.50 | Bagginsww | It was working fine a few weeks ago :p |
| 18:04.23 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Priests are lacking in discipline - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/16/priests-are-lacking-in-discipline/ |
| 18:06.01 | cladhaire | pcj: lolol |
| 18:06.48 | cladhaire | pcj: shoudl clearly redirect instead of delete :P |
| 18:06.59 | pcj | no |
| 18:07.08 | cladhaire | lol |
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| 18:11.23 | Kaso | I dont understand |
| 18:11.37 | Kaso | why is it speedyed? |
| 18:12.40 | Kaso | Oh Crow control |
| 18:15.37 | cladhaire | the article is horrible, even forgiving the massive typo |
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| 18:18.26 | Wizkiid | Mm hey guys, anyone active here? :P |
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| 18:20.31 | Wizkiid | !commands |
| 18:20.34 | Wizkiid | .commands |
| 18:20.36 | Wizkiid | dang |
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| 18:23.21 | Wizkiid | Mm kinda chatty here :O |
| 18:24.02 | Wizkiid | Where's the chat Gryph? no messages @ all :( |
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| 18:41.47 | Kirkburn | Morning all |
| 18:42.49 | cladhaire | morning Kirkburn |
| 18:43.22 | Kaso | You're very lazy Kirkburn |
| 18:43.37 | Kaso | If you're just getting up now! |
| 18:43.40 | Kirkburn | lol, I only just noticed the tag :) |
| 18:44.27 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Listen to the WoW Insider Show, episode 7 - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/16/listen-to-the-wow-insider-show-episode-7/ |
| 18:44.33 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Retribution gets passive threat reduction! - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/16/retribution-gets-passive-threat-reduction/ |
| 18:46.04 | Kirkburn | omfg at that last one ;) |
| 18:46.07 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 18:46.08 | cladhaire | lol |
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| 18:47.40 | StrifeHavok | hello |
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| 18:48.12 | StrifeHavok | hello |
| 18:48.27 | Kirkburn | Lo |
| 18:48.36 | Volus|nothere | Hello! |
| 18:48.51 | StrifeHavok | woot ppl are here |
| 18:48.57 | Volus|nothere | Little blackbird, why are you happy? |
| 18:49.06 | StrifeHavok | im at work so no WoW for me |
| 18:49.18 | StrifeHavok | *cry |
| 18:49.22 | Volus|nothere | Then why are you on IRC? |
| 18:49.31 | Sabler | which addon modifies friend-list panel? |
| 18:49.44 | StrifeHavok | i can get on irc the internet ect. just no WoW |
| 18:49.53 | Volus|nothere | Guild Alliance, Sabler? |
| 18:50.04 | Kirkburn | Sabler, in what way? |
| 18:50.04 | Volus|nothere | Well, don't you have work to do? |
| 18:50.09 | Kirkburn | Volus|nothere, shut up. |
| 18:50.16 | StrifeHavok | no lol |
| 18:50.16 | Sabler | Well, i wanna see players lvl on F-list etc |
| 18:50.47 | Volus|nothere | Well, then you're lucky :) |
| 18:50.55 | StrifeHavok | i know lol |
| 18:51.10 | Kirkburn | Sabler, doesn't it do that normally? |
| 18:51.38 | Sabler | I want see level when they are offline |
| 18:51.42 | Sabler | It saves levels |
| 18:51.51 | StrifeHavok | ahhhh i see what your saying now |
| 18:52.08 | StrifeHavok | i have no idea what add on will do that though |
| 18:52.31 | Kirkburn | I knew of one that was is Cosmos, but no specific one these days :( |
| 18:52.35 | Kirkburn | *in |
| 18:52.45 | Kirkburn | Adys! Know of one? :P |
| 18:52.58 | Adys | of? |
| 18:53.05 | StrifeHavok | i think vanasKOS might but its like a whole nother list |
| 18:53.11 | Volus|nothere | If he doesn't I doubt you'll find one. |
| 18:53.14 | Kirkburn | A friends list addon that stores char data |
| 18:53.34 | Adys | uhm cosmos |
| 18:53.35 | Adys | lol |
| 18:53.46 | Adys | been that long since i ever used one |
| 18:53.58 | Kirkburn | Same :P |
| 18:54.15 | Corgan | AuldLangSyne |
| 18:54.16 | Kirkburn | But then, the only person I want to see on my server, buggered off :P |
| 18:54.22 | Corgan | "Friends list improvements: notes, remembering the information of offline friends, friend list syncing and backups, and a fubar plugin for it all" |
| 18:54.27 | Volus|nothere | Who's that, Kirkburn? |
| 18:54.47 | Volus|nothere | Oh, you're at the same server? |
| 18:54.48 | Corgan | http://files.wowace.com/AuldLangSyne/AuldLangSyne-r51949.zip :D |
| 18:54.48 | StrifeHavok | what sever are you guys on ?? |
| 18:55.05 | Volus|nothere | Earthen Ring! |
| 18:55.10 | Sabler | Stormreaver |
| 18:55.16 | Corgan | Urmom. |
| 18:55.20 | Volus|nothere | What? |
| 18:55.23 | StrifeHavok | ahhh you in the instance guild ??? |
| 18:55.28 | StrifeHavok | im on Emerald Dream |
| 18:56.33 | Volus|nothere | Dotted, are you here? |
| 18:57.03 | Dotted | mmm |
| 18:57.26 | Volus|nothere | Can you cheer us up a bit? |
| 18:57.33 | Dotted | ;o |
| 18:57.49 | StrifeHavok | so what guild you in Volus ??? |
| 18:58.23 | Volus|nothere | None at the moment. My old guild disbanded and there are few good RP guilds left -( |
| 18:58.33 | Sabler | Corgan TY |
| 18:59.03 | Volus|nothere | What guild are you in? |
| 18:59.06 | StrifeHavok | yeah you heard of a guild called "alea iacta est" |
| 18:59.21 | Volus|nothere | No, not on the European realm. |
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| 18:59.57 | StrifeHavok | im in a guild called animea on Emerald Dream sever ally side us |
| 19:00.01 | StrifeHavok | ahh ok |
| 19:00.22 | StrifeHavok | theres a pod cast i listin too and they got a guil called that on earthen ring |
| 19:01.00 | StrifeHavok | so how far are you guys in Pve ?? |
| 19:01.01 | Volus|nothere | Really? In Europe too? |
| 19:01.21 | StrifeHavok | i thinks its a U.S. realm |
| 19:01.36 | Volus|nothere | There is a European E.R. too :) |
| 19:02.29 | StrifeHavok | lol yeah that will make things a alittle confusion |
| 19:02.39 | Volus|nothere | Indeed. |
| 19:03.07 | StrifeHavok | are you horde or ally side ?? |
| 19:03.13 | Volus|nothere | Alliance of course. |
| 19:03.24 | StrifeHavok | cool me too :-) |
| 19:03.28 | Volus|nothere | Though, we always loose the BGs :( |
| 19:03.38 | Volus|nothere | I'm afraid we suck. |
| 19:03.56 | StrifeHavok | dude i have been doing nothing but premades and owning the BG |
| 19:04.33 | Volus|nothere | Well, then people tend to listen and cooperate instead of running around like lunatics. |
| 19:04.37 | StrifeHavok | afk for a sec got to get too work brb |
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| 19:04.44 | Volus|nothere | Cherio |
| 19:06.02 | Volus|nothere | Kirkburn, can I ask a question? |
| 19:06.27 | Kirkburn | hmm? |
| 19:06.51 | Volus|nothere | You know, the U.S. president always carries a suitcase which contains all the codes of the U.S. nuclear arsenal |
| 19:07.35 | StrifeHavok | ok im back |
| 19:07.36 | Volus|nothere | Does Queen Elizabeth run around with a similar thing? |
| 19:08.25 | StrifeHavok | wow how did we get on this topic lol |
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| 19:09.01 | Kirkburn | No, because she doesn't hold that position |
| 19:09.01 | StrifeHavok | you guys there ?? |
| 19:09.02 | Kaso | I'd hope not, as Gordon Brown would be the person to authorise any nuclear attacks. |
| 19:09.27 | Volus|nothere | So the prime minister is the nuclear dyude? |
| 19:10.14 | Kaso | Well im not sure |
| 19:10.27 | Kaso | He'd declare any wars at very least |
| 19:11.50 | Kaso | Wikipedia tells me that the Cabinet has de facto command over the forces here, and the Prime Minister chooses the cabinet, so yeh |
| 19:12.57 | Volus|nothere | Scary... |
| 19:13.03 | Kaso | scary? |
| 19:13.08 | Volus|nothere | I mean creepy* |
| 19:13.13 | Kaso | creepy? |
| 19:13.29 | Kaso | (still looking up any info about a british "football" equivalent" |
| 19:14.54 | Volus|nothere | Soccer? |
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| 19:15.18 | StrifeHavok | lol |
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| 19:15.59 | Kaso | amusing |
| 19:16.21 | Volus|nothere | What? |
| 19:16.40 | Kaso | But i'll have you know our football is the correct name, the game where you kick around a ball with your feet. Rather than your game where the majority of time your are holding the ball with your hands |
| 19:16.42 | StrifeHavok | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Football |
| 19:17.10 | Volus|nothere | I agree |
| 19:17.52 | Volus|nothere | It's called The European Miracle. |
| 19:18.58 | Kaso | Hu? i dont see how that is relevant |
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| 19:19.46 | Volus|nothere | I think the fact that Europe is always the best is quite relevant. |
| 19:20.25 | Kaso | oh i was thinking a more direct link to football |
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| 19:20.56 | Volus|nothere | Hehe |
| 19:22.02 | Kaso | I can't find any information about a nuclear briefcase, but given that our nukes are all onboard subs i think it's prob a more formal chain going via naval high command or whatever |
| 19:23.13 | Volus|nothere | The Admirality? |
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| 19:23.42 | Kaso | Mmm yup |
| 19:24.36 | Kaso | But im only guessing |
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| 19:29.26 | Volus|nothere | So that leaves Lord High Admiral Vador of the Empire's fleet in command :P ? |
| 19:29.47 | Fisker- | OMG SERVAR DOWN |
| 19:30.18 | Volus|nothere | Oh no. |
| 19:33.35 | Corgan | FISKAR |
| 19:33.59 | Volus|nothere | Do you know what a fisker is? |
| 19:35.47 | Fisker- | Corgan ! |
| 19:36.09 | Kaso | ~emulate Fisker |
| 19:36.09 | infobot | less talking and more fisting please |
| 19:36.23 | Kaso | Well.. thats not what i was expecting |
| 19:36.38 | Dotted | ~emulate Dotted |
| 19:36.44 | Dotted | ;o |
| 19:36.45 | Volus|nothere | It means fisherman. ^^ |
| 19:36.55 | Volus|nothere | ~emulate Volusp |
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| 19:50.11 | StrifeHavok | hey guys im back |
| 19:51.49 | Volus|nothere | Ok |
| 19:53.12 | StrifeHavok | ahhh i hate work |
| 19:53.31 | StrifeHavok | i need a job where all i do all day is play WoW |
| 19:53.51 | StrifeHavok | that would rock |
| 19:54.48 | Volus|nothere | But the work would be pointless then. |
| 19:56.18 | StrifeHavok | lol it would be fun |
| 19:56.22 | StrifeHavok | :-) |
| 19:57.09 | Volus|nothere | What work are you doing now? |
| 20:01.39 | StrifeHavok | i work at a tattoo shop |
| 20:02.29 | Volus|nothere | Do you get to use the needle on people? |
| 20:10.56 | pcj | !jobqueue |
| 20:10.58 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 18935 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 5hrs 15mins 35secs. |
| 20:11.01 | pcj | *giggle* |
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| 20:12.20 | Kaso | What'd you do! |
| 20:12.34 | Aaghe | Hello guys |
| 20:14.29 | foxlit | tooltip |
| 20:14.53 | foxlit | pcj: think before you edit, dammit. |
| 20:14.59 | pcj | What |
| 20:15.03 | Kirkburn | pcj!? |
| 20:15.22 | foxlit | ids are meant to be unique |
| 20:15.32 | foxlit | multiple tooltips can easily occur on a single page |
| 20:15.38 | pcj | Eheh |
| 20:15.40 | foxlit | You were looking for a class rather than an id :) |
| 20:16.00 | Kirkburn | Yeah, guess that's true |
| 20:16.12 | Kirkburn | And I thought it was something earth-shattering :P |
| 20:16.48 | foxlit | psst, the world needs sensationalist headlines |
| 20:17.01 | foxlit | !jobqueue |
| 20:17.03 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 37529 doing ~ job/s, done in approx. 0secs. |
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| 20:17.58 | Aaghe | !al EU Stormreaver Greenfemale |
| 20:17.59 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1296679884&sid=1 <-awesome thread |
| 20:18.48 | Kaso | MediaWiki's job queue's stupidness always frustrates me. |
| 20:19.04 | pcj | What's going on here http://www.wowwiki.com/Paper_doll |
| 20:19.24 | Strife | hey im back |
| 20:19.57 | Fisker- | wtf is this? |
| 20:20.35 | Kaso | MediaWiki: "I just added 16,000 items to the queue, i wonder if i should check to see if any of these recache requests are duplicate and thus un-needed? Naaah why would i do that" |
| 20:20.45 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: The Light and How to Swing It: Maximizing Paladin DPS, Part 1 - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/16/the-light-and-how-to-swing-it-maximizing-paladin-dps-part-1/ |
| 20:22.50 | Kirkburn | Kaso, problem is, checking that would surely take as long as doing the job itself? |
| 20:25.12 | Kaso | I wouldnt think so, im only guessing here but i'd think the jobqueue would just be a list of article names with some flag indicating what needs to be done to them (recache/whatever) so youve just gotta check each item you add to see if it's pagename field matches with any other items on the queue. It'd be a fairly fast compare i'd think |
| 20:25.23 | Kaso | As opposed to re-rendering the page which clearly takes a fair old while. |
| 20:25.41 | Kaso | but then agian that is all a guess |
| 20:26.00 | Kaso | Perhaps you could poke some of your wikia pals who know more about the mediawiki code ;) |
| 20:28.07 | Volus|nothere | methylphosphonothiolate |
| 20:28.13 | Volus|nothere | Wrong chat* |
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| 20:38.53 | Bagginsw | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Scarlet_Crusade#Major_Rework.3F |
| 20:44.59 | Kirkburn | omg - http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Weather_effects&diff=924770&oldid=875027 |
| 20:48.13 | Kaydeethree | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Weather_effects&diff=924774&oldid=924770 |
| 20:48.17 | Kaydeethree | which is really damn cool |
| 20:48.55 | Kirkburn | Oooh |
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| 20:56.17 | Endarken | So are the main contributors to wowwiki, system admins at work that do it on their free time? :) |
| 20:57.24 | AFKDuTempete | Well, the one admin I can think of that does the most work on the wiki could technically be said to get paid for it. :P |
| 20:57.41 | AFKDuTempete | Although atm, he only works on it when he's being naughty. |
| 20:57.52 | pcj | who, foxlit? |
| 20:58.10 | AFKDuTempete | I think he should be naughty more often, though. |
| 20:58.22 | AFKDuTempete | I'm sure the wiki misses him. |
| 20:58.23 | Endarken | are you on azgalor kaydee? |
| 20:58.26 | Kirkburn | Go! |
| 20:58.35 | AFKDuTempete | awww... |
| 20:58.38 | AFKDuTempete | but I don't wanna... |
| 20:58.39 | Kirkburn | hehe :P |
| 20:58.57 | Kaydeethree | I"m on medivh |
| 20:59.00 | Kirkburn | Irresistable |
| 20:59.02 | AFKDuTempete | <insert dog smiley> Kirkburn |
| 20:59.07 | AFKDuTempete | Yes, you are! |
| 20:59.12 | Kirkburn | <insert dog smiley> AFKDuTempete |
| 20:59.16 | Kirkburn | :O |
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| 21:15.57 | Bagginsw | LOL, there is an interview over on blizzplanet from a while ago |
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| 21:16.22 | Bagginsw | which implies that Bob Fitch might have accidently wrote that typo in the rpg that said that thrall killed grom |
| 21:16.42 | Bagginsw | Bob Fitch being one of the designers of Warcraft games |
| 21:16.59 | Bagginsw | one of Blizzard's direct employees |
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| 21:33.40 | Bagginsw | hmm you know I searched through wow rpg |
| 21:33.49 | Bagginsw | and I don't see a direct quote saying that thrall killed grom |
| 21:34.08 | Bagginsw | I think it was ahuge misunderstanding and misinterpreationat LOL |
| 21:34.33 | Bagginsw | I found two quotes that are related to thrall and grom |
| 21:34.59 | Bagginsw | one says Thrall liberated the orcs from Grom's evil influence |
| 21:35.04 | Bagginsw | and the other says about the same thing |
| 21:35.12 | Bagginsw | but it doesn't say "killed" |
| 21:35.23 | Bagginsw | perhaps there are two editions of the book? |
| 21:35.32 | Bagginsw | and they fixed the typo in later releases? |
| 21:36.50 | Bagginsw | oh the other one says "destroyed the legacy of Grom Hellscream by bringing the orcs out of the depths of demon worship." which appears to be in reference to freeing the chaos orcs from demon worship |
| 21:36.56 | Bagginsw | but it doesn't say he killed grom. |
| 21:38.44 | pcj | who are you talking to |
| 21:39.49 | Corgan | himself? |
| 21:40.10 | Bagginsw | anyone |
| 21:40.12 | Bagginsw | :p |
| 21:40.16 | Bagginsw | that cares |
| 21:40.22 | Bagginsw | but obviously no one does |
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| 22:25.50 | Bagginsw | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Retcon#Mistakes_with_Grom_Hellscream.27s.2C_Mannoroth.27s.2C_and_Magtheridon.27s_Deaths |
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| 23:49.53 | Kirkburn | Baggins, I did hear cause I watch that page :P |
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| 23:52.29 | Bagginsw | lol well I didn't know if you were watching that page LOL |
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