IRC log for #wowwiki on 20070908

`00:06.54`	`pcj`	`haha`
`00:13.32`	`*** mode/#wowwiki [+v Sky2042] by ChanServ`
`00:20.53`	`*** join/#wowwiki piu (n=piu@50-223.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com)`
`00:22.39`	`Sky2042`	`piu: what does the first part of your name mean? :)`
`00:22.43`	`Sky2042`	`not the uldum part`
`00:23.25`	`piu`	`it's a musical term`
`00:23.48`	`Sky2042`	`i know ;)`
`00:23.52`	`Kirkburn`	`if instance it should get the RAID template?!`
`00:24.08`	`Sky2042`	`kirkburn: hmmm`
`00:24.09`	`Sky2042`	`good point`
`00:24.10`	`piu`	`rough italian, it means"more motion"`
`00:24.16`	`Sky2042`	`faster, then`
`00:24.21`	`Sky2042`	`no`
`00:24.25`	`piu`	`no, "more motion"`
`00:24.33`	`Sky2042`	`lol`
`00:24.34`	`Kirkburn`	`It's also messing with the formatting, as it's darktable within darktable`
`00:24.38`	`Sky2042`	`what instrument / do you sing?`
`00:24.40`	`Kirkburn`	`So the fonts are 95% or 95%`
`00:24.42`	`Sky2042`	`kirkburn: not really`
`00:24.45`	`Kirkburn`	`*of`
`00:24.46`	`Sky2042`	`oh, lol`
`00:24.54`	`Sky2042`	`i'll work on it`
`00:24.57`	`piu`	`I play brass instruments among other things`
`00:25.04`	`Sky2042`	`ah`
`00:25.26`	`DuTempete`	`piu... more?!`
`00:25.27`	`Kirkburn`	`Also the template titles lose their colour`
`00:25.44`	`Sky2042`	`not to me :\|`
`00:25.44`	`DuTempete`	`more is molto, isn't it?`
`00:25.51`	`Kirkburn`	`Nah, that's "many"`
`00:25.52`	`Sky2042`	`all colors are correct, kirkburn`
`00:25.58`	`Kirkburn`	`Not for me they ain't`
`00:26.04`	`piu`	`molto is "much more"`
`00:26.09`	`DuTempete`	`it's been a while since I used musical terms`
`00:26.23`	`Sky2042`	`what are you viewing on kirkburn, the other skin?`
`00:26.35`	`Kirkburn`	`monobook, yes, but it shouldn't make a difference`
`00:26.36`	`DuTempete`	`I'm thinking that piu is less, though... am I that rusty?`
`00:26.49`	`piu`	`"meno" is less`
`00:26.50`	`Sky2042`	`then there's something wrong in the monobook css; it shows up fine in wowwiki`
`00:27.00`	`Kirkburn`	`but apparently it does :P`
`00:27.02`	`DuTempete`	`I guess I am, then`
`00:27.17`	`piu`	`you might be thinking of "poco" which can mean "a little"`
`00:27.26`	`Sky2042`	`it's not a finished product yet`
`00:28.13`	`Kirkburn`	`Sky2042, it's probably cause the common.css is used, not monobook.css`
`00:28.15`	`Sky2042`	`ok, sec kirkburn`
`00:28.23`	`Sky2042`	`maybe`
`00:28.31`	`Sky2042`	`you fix the css part :P`
`00:28.36`	`Kirkburn`	`I would suggest it might be better to have an instance specific templatE?`
`00:28.46`	`Kirkburn`	`no?`
`00:28.55`	`Kirkburn`	`:)`
`00:29.11`	`Sky2042`	`no, all the instances have the same thing as the zones, but i'll think about it :P`
`00:29.16`	`Kirkburn`	`You create an awesome design, then I'll look at it`
`00:29.37`	`Sky2042`	`(thank god for ParserFunctions. XD )`
`00:30.22`	`Sky2042`	`and <center> doesn't work versus a table. XD`
`00:38.49`	`Kirkburn`	`!jobqueue`
`00:38.50`	`[NewsBot]`	`The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 16564 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 4hrs 36mins 4secs.`
`00:38.59`	`Sky2042`	`it wasn't me`
`00:39.14`	`Sky2042`	`it was u`
`00:40.33`	`Kirkburn`	`aye`
`00:40.38`	`Kirkburn`	`!jobqueue`
`00:40.39`	`[NewsBot]`	`The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 15682 doing ~1.1 job/s, done in approx. 3hrs 57mins 36secs.`
`00:40.48`	`Sky2042`	`kirkburn: won't help unless you get rid of the templates around every occurence of that (Wowbox/Begin and Wowbox/End)`
`00:40.53`	`Kirkburn`	`lol 1/s my ass`
`00:43.10`	`Sky2042`	`lol`
`00:43.38`	`Sky2042`	`!jobqueue`
`00:43.39`	`[NewsBot]`	`The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 15630 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 4hrs 20mins 30secs.`
`00:44.09`	`piu`	`NewsBot: learn math`
`00:51.25`	`Kirkburn`	`!jobqueue`
`00:51.27`	`[NewsBot]`	`The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 15575 doing ~0.9 job/s, done in approx. 4hrs 48mins 25secs.`
`00:51.34`	`Kirkburn`	`That's more like it`
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`00:51.56`	`Kirkburn`	`Sky2042, I would, but wowbox is used on a massive number of pages`
`00:52.11`	`Kirkburn`	`I blame Mikk, but then ... I did make half the template ><`
`00:52.22`	`Kirkburn`	`As I told DuTempete, I was young then, I knew no better!`
`00:52.36`	`Kirkburn`	`Twas 362 days ago, eons and eons and eons`
`00:52.44`	`DuTempete`	`riiiiiight...`
`00:52.49`	`Kirkburn`	`back then I had an afro`
`00:54.48`	`Kirkburn`	`Messenger says "Enjoy a free music download brought to you by The AA" ... which AA is that? Alcoholics Anonymous? The Automobile Association?`
`00:56.08`	`Kirkburn`	`Also, I was the 6th member of The Beatles, and I shot JFK.`
`01:00.08`	`DuTempete`	`what?!`
`01:00.25`	`Kirkburn`	`They said I was too good`
`01:00.26`	`DuTempete`	`Well... lets hear you sing, then.`
`01:00.30`	`Kirkburn`	`Sky2042, have you run away?`
`01:00.35`	`DuTempete`	`Which instrument did you play?`
`01:01.05`	`Kirkburn`	`Trombone`
`01:01.37`	`Igor_wow`	`bullshit - 6th member played tenor sax`
`01:03.53`	`DuTempete`	`I don't recall any album but Srgt. Pepper's having any trombones in it...`
`01:04.06`	`DuTempete`	`And if I'm not mistaken... you weren't yet born...`
`01:09.26`	`Kirkburn`	`lol`
`01:09.30`	`Kirkburn`	`I play trombone :P`
`01:11.21`	`pcj`	`sounds gay`
`01:11.47`	`Kirkburn`	`How awful`
`01:11.55`	`DuTempete`	`I never contested your choice of instruments, just when you played it. :P`
`01:12.07`	`Kirkburn`	`:(`
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`01:16.58`	`pcj`	`hah, you missed`
`01:17.34`	`pcj`	`well, i play bagpipes if that's any consolation`
`01:17.53`	`DuTempete`	`Oh!`
`01:17.57`	`DuTempete`	`I need a recording!!`
`01:18.18`	`pcj`	`of what`
`01:18.39`	`DuTempete`	`the bagpipes!`
`01:19.05`	`pcj`	`just playing random notes then?`
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`01:20.48`	`DuTempete`	`Can you play My Bonnie?`
`01:21.01`	`pcj`	`lol`
`01:21.23`	`DuTempete`	`or Danny Boy?`
`01:21.39`	`Thrae`	`!help ge`
`01:21.39`	`ThraeBot`	`!ge <eu/us> <server> <character name> <slot> -- Show info of a given's chcharacter specific gear slot (number or name), picked right from the Armoury. Slots (start at 0): Head, Neck, Shoulder, Shirt, Chest, Belt, Legs, Feet, Wrist, Gloves, 1st Ring, 2nd Ring, 1st Trinket, 2nd Trinket, Back, Main hand, Off hand/Relic/Idol, Ranged, Tabard`
`01:21.46`	`pcj`	`yes`
`01:21.57`	`DuTempete`	`yes, need a recording of that ;)`
`01:23.30`	`pcj`	`!ge us maelstrom dernham ranged`
`01:23.38`	`pcj`	`thraebot: ge us maelstrom dernham ranged`
`01:23.48`	`ThraeBot`	`pcj: Dernham, Level 70 Human Paladin (0/61/0); Ranged: [Libram of Repentance] (iL110 Purple) \|\| Item: http://tinyurl.com/2p3lgb \|\| Char: http://tinyurl.com/2e7hv7 \|\| Updated: Fri Sep 7 21:35:31 2007 \|\|`
`01:23.59`	`pcj`	`aha`
`01:24.10`	`pcj`	`thraebot: ge us maelstrom dernham 2nd trinket`
`01:24.10`	`ThraeBot`	`pcj: Invalid slot!`
`01:24.16`	`pcj`	`thraebot: ge us maelstrom dernham 2nd Trinket`
`01:24.16`	`ThraeBot`	`pcj: I just said that 7s ago.`
`01:24.26`	`pcj`	`thraebot: ge us maelstrom dernham 2nd Trinket`
`01:24.26`	`ThraeBot`	`Sorry pcj, you must wait 6 seconds before making another request.`
`01:24.41`	`pcj`	`thraebot: ge us maelstrom dernham 2nd Trinket`
`01:24.50`	`ThraeBot`	`pcj: Invalid slot!`
`01:24.56`	`pcj`	`hmm`
`01:25.16`	`pcj`	`thraebot: ge us maelstrom dernham 13`
`01:25.16`	`ThraeBot`	`Sorry pcj, you must wait 37 seconds before making another request.`
`01:25.36`	`pcj`	`epic fail`
`01:26.00`	`DuTempete`	`pcj ftl!`
`01:26.04`	`pcj`	`thraebot: ge us maelstrom dernham relic`
`01:26.13`	`ThraeBot`	`pcj: Dernham, Level 70 Human Paladin (0/61/0); Off hand/Relic/Idol: [Crest of the Sha'tar] (iL105 Purple) \|\| Item: http://tinyurl.com/2yq2hu \|\| Char: http://tinyurl.com/2e7hv7 \|\| Updated: Fri Sep 7 21:37:57 2007 \|\|`
`01:26.23`	`pcj`	`thrae your bot sucks`
`01:26.28`	`pcj`	`relics aren't held in the off hand nub`
`01:26.48`	`Thrae`	`Odd, it works for me`
`01:27.05`	`pcj`	`yes, relic should = ranged tho`
`01:27.18`	`Thrae`	`pcj: It does`
`01:27.32`	`Thrae`	`Wait, no it doesn't`
`01:27.33`	`pcj`	`i just did it`
`01:27.35`	`pcj`	`it told me my shield`
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`01:28.59`	`pcj`	`thraebot: ge us maelstrom dernham 13`
`01:29.09`	`pcj`	`oh`
`01:37.44`	`pcj`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/The_Waking_World_and_the_Well_of_Eternity :S`
`01:43.53`	`Kirkburn\|sleep`	`pcj, they all need the source bok bit removed, plus darktabling`
`01:43.57`	`Kirkburn\|sleep`	`I'm off to bed`
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`01:46.26`	`Thrae`	`ThraeBot: ge us maelstrom thrae, main hand`
`01:46.36`	`ThraeBot`	`Thrae: Thrae, Level 59 Night Elf Druid (1/41/8); Main hand: [Primal Lore-Staff] (iL87 Blue) \|\| Item: http://tinyurl.com/2y3ob5 \|\| Char: http://tinyurl.com/ypmert \|\| Updated: Fri Sep 7 21:58:19 2007 \|\|`
`01:47.51`	`Thrae`	`There, I fixed it.`
`01:48.07`	`pcj`	`thraebot: ge us maelstrom dernham relic`
`01:48.29`	`Thrae`	`!help ge`
`01:48.29`	`ThraeBot`	`!ge <eu/us> <server> <character name>, <slot> -- Show info of a given's chcharacter specific gear slot (number or name), picked right from the Armoury. Remember it needs a comma! Slots (start at 0): Head, Neck, Shoulder, Shirt, Chest, Belt, Legs, Feet, Wrist, Gloves, 1st Ring, 2nd Ring, 1st Trinket, 2nd Trinket, Back, Main hand, Off hand, Ranged/Relic/Idol, Tabard`
`01:48.44`	`pcj`	`thraebot: ge us maelstrom dernham, relic`
`01:48.55`	`ThraeBot`	`pcj: Dernham, Level 70 Human Paladin (0/61/0); Ranged/Relic/Idol: [Libram of Repentance] (iL110 Purple) \|\| Item: http://tinyurl.com/2p3lgb \|\| Char: http://tinyurl.com/2e7hv7 \|\| Updated: Fri Sep 7 22:00:37 2007 \|\|`
`01:49.12`	`pcj`	`thraebot: ge us maelstrom dernham, 13`
`01:49.22`	`ThraeBot`	`pcj: Dernham, Level 70 Human Paladin (0/61/0); 2nd Trinket: [Darkmoon Card: Vengeance] (iL100 Purple) \|\| Item: http://tinyurl.com/yq9mso \|\| Char: http://tinyurl.com/2e7hv7 \|\| Updated: Fri Sep 7 22:01:05 2007 \|\|`
`01:50.08`	`pcj`	`hmm why did it update`
`01:50.11`	`pcj`	`it's not like i logged off`
`01:58.04`	`pcj`	`thraebot: g us khaz modan, Knights of Honor`
`01:58.06`	`ThraeBot`	`pcj: <Knights Of Honor> on Khaz Modan has 219 members. [[ http://tinyurl.com/22djzo ]]`
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`02:43.46`	`Adys`	`http://adys.stools.net/random/getreal.gif`
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`03:42.18`	`dfschmidt`	`:O`
`03:42.33`	`pcj`	`what`
`03:42.51`	`dfschmidt`	`nothing lol, but i do have a question for you`
`03:43.16`	`pcj`	`that's nice`
`03:43.35`	`dfschmidt`	`http://www.wowjutsu.com/us/lightninghoof/Arcanium.html -- Arcanium is my guild. It doesn't yet show that I got my t4 gloves this last run.`
`03:43.51`	`dfschmidt`	`Anyways, can we put tooltips like this page does, on wowwiki?`
`03:44.47`	`pcj`	`like what?`
`03:45.01`	`pcj`	`I don't see anything better`
`03:45.01`	`dfschmidt`	`Like use wowhead's tooltips, not our own.`
`03:45.16`	`dfschmidt`	`It reduces the near-half-second lag when mousing over.`
`03:45.38`	`piu`	`I don't think wowhead would appreciate the bandwith leeching`
`03:45.41`	`pcj`	`That would require me to handle formatting as well`
`03:45.50`	`pcj`	`piu: skosiris asked me about it`
`03:46.05`	`pcj`	`I thought about it but by that point I had already written it for wowwiki`
`03:46.11`	`piu`	`and he's OK with it?`
`03:46.38`	`pcj`	`yeh`
`03:46.39`	`dfschmidt`	`pcj, So it would be harder than it's worth, or what?`
`03:47.26`	`pcj`	`well the code is already done, the intention was to write it for wowwiki`
`03:49.08`	`dfschmidt`	`Me, I don't use the javascript you gave me, since the lag is more than I like, and I can just as well click a link to see what it is, in case I don't already know about the item.`
`03:49.22`	`pcj`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Deletion boggle`
`03:50.32`	`dfschmidt`	`what's the template to make it known who made the edit on a talk page?`
`03:51.01`	`pcj`	`unsigned?`
`03:51.19`	`dfschmidt`	`{{unsigned}}?`
`03:51.19`	`[NewsBot]`	`dfschmidt meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:unsigned`
`03:51.31`	`dfschmidt`	`I see. Thanks.`
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`05:27.04`	`pcj`	`oh he's back`
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`05:33.33`	`pcj`	`shh`
`05:33.53`	`Sky2042`	`you were talking about me. weren't you?`
`05:36.47`	`pcj`	`...no, of course not`
`05:37.23`	`Sky2042`	`lol`
`05:37.31`	`Sky2042`	`really, what were you talking about?`
`05:37.37`	`Sky2042`	`dfschmidt! how are you?`
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`06:17.39`	`Sky2042`	`gryphen / dfschmidt: how do you set a column width?`
`06:18.00`	`dfschmidt`	`width="50%" or whatever, or`
`06:18.07`	`Sky2042`	`mk`
`06:18.12`	`dfschmidt`	`script="width: 50em;" and such`
`06:18.20`	`dfschmidt`	`i mean style=""`
`06:18.25`	`Sky2042`	`tymuch`
`06:18.31`	`dfschmidt`	`That covers it?`
`06:18.52`	`Sky2042`	`yup`
`06:18.57`	`Sky2042`	`i think`
`06:20.35`	`dfschmidt`	`Sky2042, see http://www.wowwiki.com/Cooldown#Cooldown_and_usage_theory if you want a further example.`
`06:20.50`	`dfschmidt`	`There are others there, but that's one example that I did recently, so it comes to mind.`
`06:21.44`	`Sky2042`	`did you purposely use headers as opposed to normal cells? jw`
`06:22.04`	`dfschmidt`	`For what cells specifically?`
`06:22.46`	`Sky2042`	`the time and commanality`
`06:23.21`	`dfschmidt`	`I guess I didn't do it with intent that it would be so formatted; I just did it so that the two left columns would be centered; I didn't feel like editing each cell to be centered, and I didn't want the rightmost column to be, so I couldn't edit each row that way. I'd have to edit each cell. And I didn't feel like it. lol`
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`06:23.27`	`dfschmidt`	`Feel free to edit it however you want.`
`06:23.43`	`Sky2042`	`of course. :D`
`06:24.06`	`dfschmidt`	`In any case, it looks tons better than it did before.`
`06:24.13`	`Sky2042`	`undoubtedly`
`06:26.20`	`Sky2042`	`you're funny gryphon :P`
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`06:33.07`	`dfschmidt`	`Does anyone know the link to any screenshot with a macro window?`
`06:33.21`	`dfschmidt`	`Or know right off how many macros you can have?`
`06:33.45`	`Gryphen`	`36`
`06:34.02`	`Gryphen`	`12 global, 12 per char`
`06:34.07`	`Gryphen`	`err`
`06:34.10`	`Gryphen`	`18/18`
`06:34.13`	`dfschmidt`	`Ok, thanks.`
`06:34.49`	`dfschmidt`	`Do you know if they have to be numbered a certain way in the macros-cache.txt file?`
`06:35.02`	`Gryphen`	`not sure`
`06:35.18`	`dfschmidt`	`I mean, do you have to have 1-10 or can you have like 1-5, 7-11?`
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`06:38.14`	`Sky2042`	`intriguing!`
`06:38.46`	`Sky2042`	`i'm glad those channeling spells might be getting the nerf bat; Arcane missiles got the same treatment forever ago`
`06:39.01`	`dfschmidt`	`Huh?`
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`06:39.57`	`Sky2042`	`http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=999.0`
`06:40.01`	`Sky2042`	`(in #wowhead)`
`06:41.08`	`dfschmidt`	`AM was massively nerfed when they were given haste effects. ><`
`06:41.39`	`Sky2042`	`AM was nerfed when they said, no more out of LoS. now they're finally considering life drain and such for the same treatment`
`06:41.40`	`dfschmidt`	`Before, you could use AM at will against that retarded boss in the Crypts, but now it's slowed.`
`06:41.40`	`Sky2042`	`finally`
`06:41.48`	`Sky2042`	`lol`
`06:42.23`	`dfschmidt`	`Arcane was the bomb, until then. Of course, it still is, but slightly less so.`
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`07:48.14`	`Igor_wow`	`wow trivia - Proudmore's Treasure - what is it?`
`07:50.49`	`Sky2042_`	`hmmm`
`07:51.59`	`Sky2042_`	`bagginsww, when you get on.`
`07:52.12`	`Sky2042_`	`[[Image:War2.jpg]]`
`07:52.12`	`[NewsBot]`	`Sky2042_ meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:War2.jpg`
`07:55.17`	`dfschmidt`	`wow, they changed a lot from that map`
`07:55.43`	`dfschmidt`	`they could have put strat right on caer darrow just like scholo`
`07:57.30`	`Bagginsww`	`ya well one mission was to destroy port town strath :)`
`07:57.56`	`Bagginsww`	`bet novel doesn't clarify that though :p`
`07:58.05`	`Sky2042_`	`kirkburn, are you presente?`
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`08:01.30`	`Sky2042_`	`welcome welcom kd3`
`08:03.09`	`Bagginsww`	`its weird stratholme is west of durnholde keep in warcraft 3, lol`
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`08:16.07`	`Bagginsww`	`alot of differences brill was southeast of Capital City`
`08:16.34`	`Bagginsww`	`instead of north :p`
`08:17.19`	`Bagginsww`	`and was between andorhal and strahnbrad`
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`08:19.46`	`Sky2042_`	`that's how it goes with warcraft`
`08:23.44`	`Bagginsww`	`everything is moved every game LOL`
`08:24.27`	`Sky2042_`	`you know, we really should document how the map has changed every game.`
`08:24.37`	`Sky2042_`	`just by major cities and areas`
`08:26.14`	`Bagginsww`	`ok you want to kno what's even stranger?`
`08:26.20`	`Bagginsww`	`Brill is listed in two places in Warcraft 3`
`08:26.32`	`Sky2042_`	`loooooooooooooooooooooooool`
`08:26.45`	`Bagginsww`	`one map has it north of alterac mountains`
`08:26.50`	`Bagginsww`	`alterac ruins`
`08:26.58`	`Sky2042_`	`bagginsww: could you add Warthok to http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:RC/Skip ?`
`08:27.00`	`Bagginsww`	`another has it betweein andorahl and strahbrad`
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`08:29.43`	`dfschmidt`	`lol`
`08:29.46`	`dfschmidt`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Early_azeroth.jpg`
`08:33.53`	`Sky2042_`	`ty baggins`
`08:36.34`	`Bagginsww`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Centrallordaeron.JPG`
`08:36.57`	`Bagginsww`	`that's warcraft 1 ya`
`08:37.38`	`Bagginsww`	`btw in some of the early stuff Swamp of Sorrows, or Swamps of Sorrow was described as a a section of the Black Morass`
`08:38.02`	`Bagginsww`	`Black Morass encompasses both`
`08:38.39`	`Bagginsww`	`the portion of the black morass where portal was opened was farther south`
`08:39.33`	`Bagginsww`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Black_Morass`
`08:39.42`	`Bagginsww`	`why do we even disambig for only 2 sources?`
`08:39.49`	`Bagginsww`	`inpage disambig would be fine`
`08:40.21`	`Bagginsww`	`mind if I fix that?`
`08:42.07`	`Bagginsww`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Centrallordaeron.JPG`
`08:42.16`	`Bagginsww`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:LordaeronWC3.JPG`
`08:42.22`	`Igor_wow`	`wow trivia - Proudmore's Treasure - anyone want the answer?`
`08:43.26`	`Sky2042_`	`bagginsww: it'd disambigged because the other was moved to the instance name. proper move, tbh`
`08:43.36`	`Sky2042_`	`oh, nvm`
`08:44.03`	`Sky2042_`	`yeah, that's what it was, i think`
`08:44.07`	`Bagginsww`	`it already had an inpage disambig built in`
`08:44.46`	`Sky2042_`	`aye`
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`08:46.27`	`Bagginsww`	`only time I'd do multiple page disambig is if you got something like "perenolde" where you have seperate but distinct characters all using the same name.`
`08:46.53`	`Bagginsww`	`or organizations/clans/locations all sharing the same name`
`08:47.07`	`Bagginsww`	`generally 3 or more`
`08:52.40`	`hurax`	`hm, "beginning to wither" and getting "blasted" sounds like rather different processes...`
`08:53.59`	`Bagginsww`	`for?`
`08:55.54`	`dfschmidt`	`can anyone confirm that the last boss in BM casts Sand Breath or is that the second boss?`
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`09:00.51`	`hurax`	`the third and last one`
`09:01.14`	`hurax`	`the second one is with the mortal-strike type debuff`
`09:01.35`	`hurax`	`Bagginsww: on the black morass article`
`09:01.49`	`dfschmidt`	`i've worn arcane resist against aeonus, and i'm pretty sure it doesn't dampen damage taken`
`09:02.20`	`Bagginsww`	`oh hurax`
`09:02.28`	`Bagginsww`	`didn't know`
`09:02.34`	`Bagginsww`	`fix it if you can`
`09:02.38`	`Bagginsww`	`I odn't know LOL`
`09:02.50`	`Bagginsww`	`but ya it was desribed as withering in warcraft II I think`
`09:02.58`	`Bagginsww`	`starting to wither`
`09:03.06`	`Bagginsww`	`its called blasted lands now because of all the lightning I think`
`09:03.07`	`dfschmidt`	`blasted could work`
`09:03.38`	`dfschmidt`	`a land that has withered could very well be susceptible to being "wind-blasted" eh?`
`09:03.46`	`dfschmidt`	`plus, what's the crater?`
`09:04.06`	`Bagginsww`	`remnants when portal was first destroyed`
`09:04.11`	`hurax`	`ok, the story on the blasted lands article sounds more consistent... that the portal destruction was the main event`
`09:04.34`	`Bagginsww`	`well its described as withering in warcraft 1 too I think`
`09:04.41`	`Bagginsww`	`it wasn't destroyed until later`
`09:04.51`	`Bagginsww`	`portal was causing surrounding land to die`
`09:04.59`	`Bagginsww`	`same thing that happened in Hellfire btw`
`09:06.24`	`Bagginsww`	`then the portal was destroyed, but it didn't close the portal`
`09:06.33`	`Taurmindo`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Toadem ^^`
`09:06.39`	`Bagginsww`	`someone rebuilt the portal structure later`
`09:07.53`	`hurax`	`it's the same kind of rock and lightnings`
`09:10.47`	`hurax`	`btw Bagginsww`
`09:11.07`	`Bagginsww`	`oh sky, interestingly enough the island where the sunwell grove was located was sseperated by just a river in the WC3 mission.`
`09:11.31`	`Bagginsww`	`with bridges to it`
`09:12.31`	`hurax`	`i still think the sourcebook quotes should be marked in some way, quote marks or italics, so you can see beginning and end of the quote`
`09:13.14`	`hurax`	`i used quote marks on Moonglade article, i think its least obstrusive with long quotes`
`09:14.11`	`Sky2042_`	`hurax:`
`09:14.17`	`Sky2042_`	`<blockquote> and </blockquote>`
`09:15.02`	`Bagginsww`	`blockquote is preferred`
`09:15.52`	`Bagginsww`	`and you don't need to have quote marks when you blockquote`
`09:16.07`	`Bagginsww`	`its considered redundant apparently`
`09:17.19`	`hurax`	`blockqoute is fine for me, just that you separate them in some way from the rest of the text`
`09:17.46`	`Bagginsww`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:QuelthalasWC3.JPG can someone check why that image won't thumbnail?`
`09:18.11`	`Bagginsww`	`I'm think it became corrupted in some way`
`09:18.19`	`Bagginsww`	`thinking`
`09:18.24`	`Bagginsww`	`when it was uploaded`
`09:18.46`	`Igor_wow`	`no one liked my trivia qn`
`09:18.48`	`Igor_wow`	`:(`
`09:18.56`	`Sky2042_`	`bagginsww: reupload`
`09:20.14`	`Bagginsww`	`strange now it won't let me upload it. so its something witht he screenshot itself... When I print screened it maybe...`
`09:21.12`	`Bagginsww`	`best I can do is try to print screen it again and start from scratch`
`09:25.48`	`Bagginsww`	`or maybe the upload feature is screwed up :p`
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`09:29.50`	`Sky2042_`	`just delete it :P`
`09:33.00`	`Bagginsww`	`will just a second`
`09:40.04`	`Igor_wow`	`http://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=117&Set=64`
`09:43.16`	`Sky2042_`	`igor: lol`
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`09:44.13`	`Bagginsww`	`must have been something wrong with upload. did it agian and picture is fne`
`09:44.22`	`Bagginsww`	`but for a while it wouldn't let me upload`
`09:48.15`	`Sky2042_`	`bagginsww, is mal'ganis's name Mal'Ganis or Mal'ganis?`
`09:55.10`	`Bagginsww`	`uh not sure`
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`10:31.42`	`[NewsBot]`	`GamePolitics: On the Stump in New Hampshire, Huckabee Tries Guitar Hero - http://gamepolitics.com/2007/09/08/on-the-stump-in-new-hampshire-huckabee-tries-guitar-hero/`
`10:32.50`	`Sky2042_`	`baggins: that isn't so bad of fanhart`
`10:32.52`	`Sky2042_`	`heh`
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`10:38.35`	`Sky2042_`	`gn`
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`10:46.33`	`Bagginsww`	`oh I don't think its bad fanart`
`10:46.35`	`Bagginsww`	`its just large`
`10:46.44`	`Bagginsww`	`it was screwing up the text`
`10:46.54`	`Bagginsww`	`if the article was longer maybe`
`10:47.21`	`Bagginsww`	`if you are referring to muradin`
`11:02.15`	`Polarina`	`Haha... One managed to find a bug in the game where gold is disappearing when you go over 2^32 / 2 - 1 coppers!`
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`11:21.22`	`Boubouille`	`I really need to stop using this (rev) button everytime I see it`
`11:21.23`	`Boubouille`	`:/`
`11:21.40`	`Boubouille`	`Kirkburn, add a confirmation to this !`
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`11:52.40`	`hurax`	`overflow`
`11:52.51`	`hurax`	`that's an usual bug`
`11:54.41`	`hurax`	`on a browser game, there was an object which would steal "meat", the in-game currency`
`11:55.27`	`hurax`	`and if you had 0, it would overflow and give you practically unlimited of it`
`11:57.51`	`Polarina`	`?`
`11:59.41`	`hurax`	`unsigned integer`
`12:00.24`	`Polarina`	`Ok.`
`12:01.13`	`hurax`	`0-1 modulo 2^32 is a very large number ;)`
`12:03.08`	`hurax`	`did screw up the whole economy, but that was a satirical game, so they weren't that annoyed as people would be in wow`
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`12:46.23`	`Fisker-`	`i'm gonna attack you Adys\|sleep`
`12:55.58`	`\|Pixel\|`	`why ?`
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`13:11.36`	`Fisker-`	`\|Pixel\| because i have no voice :(`
`13:11.46`	`Fisker-`	`A`
`13:11.58`	`Fisker-`	`Anything new i have to decieve you into divulging the details about?`
`13:12.11`	`Fisker-`	`perhaps the terran movie is getting uploaded?`
`13:12.21`	`Fisker-`	`Perhaps the Xel'Naga is announced as a playable race?`
`13:12.25`	`\|Pixel\|`	`perhaps`
`13:14.56`	`Fisker-`	`perhaps i should just get a job`
`13:15.04`	`Fisker-`	`so i can peek over your shoulder`
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`13:31.42`	`[NewsBot]`	`GamePolitics: Early Manhunt 2 Version Reportedly Leaked Online - http://gamepolitics.com/2007/09/08/early-manhunt-2-version-reportedly-leaked-online/`
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`15:06.05`	`DuTempete`	`Morning, darlings!`
`15:13.35`	`hurax`	`good evening :)`
`15:18.46`	`Kirkburn`	`moo`
`15:20.19`	`Kirkburn`	`yum`
`15:21.48`	`\|Pixel\|`	`Kirkburn: I guess Fisker- is trying to tell you that he requests a voice :P`
`15:22.06`	`Kirkburn`	`orly?`
`15:26.57`	`bleeter`	`Kirkburn: please don't give it to him`
`15:27.03`	`bleeter`	`I enjoy seeing you slapped about by fish`
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`15:44.39`	`Kirkburn`	`piu, are you able to have a look and see why it could be?`
`15:44.53`	`piu`	`I'm trying to look at the page source now`
`15:45.20`	`piu`	`what controls the nav boxes that could have been edited recently? something in the css?`
`15:50.25`	`Kirkburn`	`Not sure`
`15:50.37`	`Kirkburn`	`CSS is doubtful`
`15:54.09`	`piu`	`unclosed <A href="http://harrypotter.wikia.com etc, etc... >`
`15:55.49`	`piu`	`do you know how the entire google ads box with the wikia link and image gets included?`
`15:59.41`	`Kirkburn`	`What item creation bots do we have?`
`15:59.49`	`DuTempete`	`foxbot`
`15:59.52`	`DuTempete`	`that's it, I think`
`15:59.59`	`Kirkburn`	`Who isn't here >_<`
`15:59.59`	`Kirkburn`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Illidari_Cloak`
`16:00.19`	`Kirkburn`	`piu, nope :/`
`16:00.20`	`DuTempete`	`poke foxlit!`
`16:03.03`	`Kirkburn`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Starlightblunder#Where_are_you.3F`
`16:03.19`	`Kirkburn`	`He edited yesterday, so he's still alive fortunately :)`
`16:08.44`	`piu`	`OK more info on that bug`
`16:08.51`	`piu`	`IT's a wikia problem`
`16:09.09`	`DuTempete`	`Say it ain't so!`
`16:09.30`	`Kirkburn`	`Bagginsww, if this is http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Bolvarfordragon.jpg ... why does he have a Scarlet Crusade shield?`
`16:09.32`	`piu`	`Same bug on Memory Alpha - unclosed <a> on the wikia ads makes everything you click below it go to that link`
`16:12.07`	`Kirkburn`	`Emailed off the info`
`16:25.20`	`foxlit`	`"Bolvar Fordragon, 2006"`
`16:25.41`	`Fisker-`	`http://i13.tinypic.com/62ihimg.jpg :<`
`16:30.56`	`Kirkburn`	`foxlit, you're here!?`
`16:31.31`	`Kirkburn`	`Ah, since 2 hours ago :P`
`16:31.38`	`Kirkburn`	`Welcome back :)`
`16:32.14`	`Kirkburn`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Illidari_Cloak ... fix plz`
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`16:33.47`	`foxlit`	`!item Illidari Cloak`
`16:33.52`	`Foxbot`	`Tooltip saved, foxlit, view at http://www.wowwiki.com/Illidari_Cloak`
`16:34.26`	`Olison`	`haha :D`
`16:34.27`	`Olison`	`nice`
`16:34.48`	`foxlit`	`!wigrestart`
`16:34.48`	`Foxbot`	`Could not get a new instance.`
`16:35.02`	`Kirkburn`	`Argh!`
`16:35.09`	`foxlit`	`!wigrestart`
`16:35.09`	`Foxbot`	`Item generator restarted`
`16:35.16`	`foxlit`	`!item Illidari Cloak`
`16:35.17`	`Fisker-`	`wig?`
`16:35.19`	`Foxbot`	`Tooltip saved, foxlit, view at http://www.wowwiki.com/Illidari_Cloak`
`16:35.21`	`Kirkburn`	`foxlit, it needs an update`
`16:35.26`	`Kirkburn`	`{\| style="{{CSS Darktable}}"`
`16:35.26`	`Kirkburn`	`\|- style="{{CSS Darktable th}}"`
`16:35.27`	`[NewsBot]`	`Kirkburn meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/`
`16:35.27`	`[NewsBot]`	`Kirkburn meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:CSS_Darktable_th`
`16:35.38`	`Kirkburn`	`shaddup ><`
`16:35.40`	`Fisker-`	`NO [NewsBot]`
`16:35.42`	`Fisker-`	`bad bot`
`16:35.47`	`Fisker-`	`voice me and devoice [NewsBot]`
`16:36.02`	`Kirkburn`	`foxlit, {{CSS Darktable}} needs to die`
`16:36.17`	`foxlit`	`I'm perfectly aware of it, refresh the page already.`
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`16:36.35`	`Kirkburn`	`Good good :)`
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`16:37.43`	`Kirkburn`	`Thanks :)`
`16:40.21`	`foxlit`	`..."World of Warcraft Wikia (WoWWiki) has surpassed the 40,000 article mark,"...`
`16:40.52`	`Thrae`	`Does it count all the sandbox articles? :D`
`16:41.27`	`foxlit`	`Probably not`
`16:41.37`	`foxlit`	`But it counts most of the item/quest/npc pages`
`16:41.40`	`Fisker-`	`it counts your mother`
`16:41.42`	`Fisker-`	`HARR`
`16:42.04`	`piu`	`counts everything in the main namespace that has at least one link, and I think a certain amount of text`
`16:42.29`	`foxlit`	`"This number excludes redirects, discussion pages, image description pages, user profile pages, templates, help pages, portals, articles without links to other articles, and pages for WoWWiki administration."`
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`17:59.00`	`Bagginsww`	`kirkburn that's the symbol of lordaeron`
`17:59.08`	`Bagginsww`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Lordaeron%27s_coat_of_arms.jpg`
`17:59.18`	`Bagginsww`	`not a scarlet crusade shield`
`17:59.56`	`Bagginsww`	`scarlet crusade uses the same symbol :p`
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`18:00.47`	`Bagginsww`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Lordaeron_%28kingdom%29`
`18:01.22`	`Bagginsww`	`I don't know why he has a shield of Lordaeron.`
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`18:30.26`	`Fisker-`	`i hacked DuTempete`
`18:30.29`	`Fisker-`	`and got his porn`
`18:31.34`	`DuTempete`	`his?`
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`18:34.11`	`Fisker-`	`i'm pretty sure i felt a bump down there`
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`19:58.45`	`Sky2042`	`:O`
`19:58.46`	`DuTempete`	`uh huh...`
`19:59.12`	`DuTempete`	`I think Kirk is afk, hun... hence the \|afk...`
`20:00.09`	`Sky2042`	`usually`
`20:01.22`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`:O`
`20:01.39`	`DuTempete`	`oh, well maybe not so afk.`
`20:02.03`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Afk enough to only look at this about once an hour :P`
`20:02.07`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I'm grinding to 20, man :)`
`20:02.14`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:02.18`	`DuTempete`	`oooh, that must be tough.`
`20:02.23`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`It sure is!`
`20:02.29`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`GRINDGRINDGRIND`
`20:02.34`	`DuTempete`	`hehe`
`20:02.36`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Sky2042, oink`
`20:03.10`	`Sky2042`	`kirkburn\|afk: have you noticed the summary box is too wide at 1028x7something orother res?`
`20:03.20`	`Sky2042`	`wowwiki's skin isn't... :X`
`20:03.32`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Oh yeah, odd isn't it`
`20:03.37`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Someone find me a CSS fix!`
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`20:14.51`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`:(`
`20:16.50`	`Fisker-`	`who should i attack?`
`20:17.22`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Whom`
`20:18.31`	`DuTempete`	`no sadfaces Kirkburn\|afk :(`
`20:19.16`	`DuTempete`	`If I look at it, I'm going to be working on it all night. I have a ballad to narrate, damnit!`
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`20:19.21`	`Fisker-`	`was your own fault :(`
`20:19.40`	`DuTempete`	`nobody asked you!`
`20:20.16`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Youm`
`20:20.31`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Oh, wait ...`
`20:20.31`	`zhahak`	`Hello everyone!`
`20:20.38`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`zhahak, hullo`
`20:20.44`	`DuTempete`	`hi zhahak!`
`20:21.10`	`zhahak`	`whats up?`
`20:21.31`	`DuTempete`	`Nothing, I swear! It's not my fault!`
`20:21.48`	`zhahak`	`Oo`
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`20:24.15`	`DuTempete`	`awww crap...`
`20:24.44`	`Sandwichman2448`	`WTF- OWN! Crit aimed shot from across the zon!`
`20:24.49`	`DuTempete`	`lol`
`20:25.05`	`Sandwichman2448`	`It is actully 'aww fax'`
`20:25.10`	`DuTempete`	`you're not supopsed to WTF your own OWN...`
`20:25.11`	`Sandwichman2448`	`close try though`
`20:25.43`	`DuTempete`	`fart`
`20:25.51`	`zhahak`	`Someone here use Ubuntu?`
`20:25.55`	`Sandwichman2448`	`Lucky button mashing bastard! I aws on the phone!`
`20:26.01`	`amro`	`im on kut buntu right now`
`20:26.08`	`amro`	`kubuntu*`
`20:26.20`	`Sky2042`	`....`
`20:26.28`	`zhahak`	`okey :D`
`20:26.48`	`amro`	`zhahak: why?`
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`20:28.47`	`Sky2042`	`ew`
`20:29.02`	`zhahak`	`Somone playing on Grim Batol eu?`
`20:29.25`	`DuTempete`	`Psh, we don't let no stinkin' EU in this channel.`
`20:29.39`	`zhahak`	`haha :D`
`20:29.46`	`zhahak`	`why not?`
`20:29.57`	`DuTempete`	`Because most of them are French.`
`20:30.04`	`zhahak`	`haha im not :P`
`20:30.21`	`DuTempete`	`Do you know any French people? or any of the language?`
`20:30.51`	`zhahak`	`Nop :P`
`20:30.57`	`zhahak`	`why do you ask?`
`20:31.01`	`zhahak`	`do you?`
`20:31.16`	`DuTempete`	`Oh, well, then perhaps we can forgive you that.`
`20:31.29`	`DuTempete`	`<----------`
`20:32.58`	`zhahak`	`Okey, thank you then... so you hm hate French people? Btw I'm from Sweden. Guess you are from US, right?`
`20:33.38`	`DuTempete`	`Well, I hate Boubouille, and Fisker-. Does that count?`
`20:33.58`	`zhahak`	`Are they French?`
`20:34.03`	`DuTempete`	`And I'm mad at Adys because he still hasn't tried to seduce me in French.`
`20:34.28`	`Adys`	`va voir avec Boubouille`
`20:34.35`	`zhahak`	`:P`
`20:34.38`	`DuTempete`	`no.`
`20:34.55`	`Adys`	`Sorry honey, you're too old for me`
`20:35.00`	`DuTempete`	`but!`
`20:35.41`	`DuTempete`	`I look young. I do!`
`20:35.46`	`Kaso`	`40,000 articles hey? wow`
`20:35.47`	`DuTempete`	`We could pretend!`
`20:35.53`	`zhahak`	`Could you please speak english or i will use my native language`
`20:36.13`	`Kaso`	`Nearly 2000 of them are mine, thats 5%! woop.`
`20:36.13`	`DuTempete`	`lol don't worry, that comment was meant for me, zhahak.`
`20:37.17`	`zhahak`	`Well I want to know :(`
`20:37.25`	`DuTempete`	`And Zhahak, feel free to use your own language. :P`
`20:37.34`	`DuTempete`	`Just dont' expect anyone to respond. hehe`
`20:37.38`	`Sky2042`	`zhahak: varsogod :)`
`20:37.46`	`Sky2042`	`damn english keyboards`
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`20:37.55`	`DuTempete`	`Oh jeez, is that like the one word you know, Sky2042? :P`
`20:38.04`	`Kalroth`	`lol`
`20:38.15`	`Sky2042`	`DuTempete: i lived in sweden for 7 months, kthx`
`20:38.25`	`DuTempete`	`Ooooh... 7mos...`
`20:38.31`	`Kalroth`	`J�vla Sky2042!`
`20:38.40`	`DuTempete`	`At the age of 4? :P`
`20:38.47`	`zhahak`	`DuTempete: Kan du inte säga vad Adys sa?`
`20:39.03`	`Adys`	`you amo?`
`20:39.14`	`Kalroth`	`haha`
`20:39.32`	`zhahak`	`^^`
`20:39.33`	`Kalroth`	`Adys: He wants to know what you said!`
`20:39.47`	`zhahak`	`Adys: Yes i do :D`
`20:39.52`	`DuTempete`	`No comprendo la lingua de Sweden. Lo siento. Mas pregundas?`
`20:40.13`	`Kalroth`	`DuTempete: Parlez baguette?`
`20:40.31`	`zhahak`	`Shetori?`
`20:40.41`	`DuTempete`	`Oui, je parles le peaux baguette. (?!?)`
`20:40.51`	`DuTempete`	`shut up, Adys.`
`20:40.56`	`DuTempete`	`don't even say it`
`20:41.09`	`Kalroth`	`hahah`
`20:41.12`	`zhahak`	`haha :D`
`20:41.16`	`Adys`	`I didnt say anything, too busy fapping at monty python while thinking about Kalroth`
`20:41.24`	`DuTempete`	`oh my`
`20:41.27`	`Kalroth`	`Alrighty then!`
`20:41.33`	`DuTempete`	`what about Kalroth are you thinking, Adys?`
`20:41.34`	`Kalroth`	`Adys: Which Monty Phyton?`
`20:41.49`	`Adys`	`Kalroth: third episode season1, because it wins`
`20:41.51`	`DuTempete`	`brb`
`20:42.20`	`Sky2042`	`DuTempete: Nej, jag bor po sverige nar jag var fjorton`
`20:42.55`	`zhahak`	`haha :D Sky2042`
`20:42.59`	`Sky2042`	`porque no comprendes sueco?`
`20:43.14`	`Sky2042`	`( DuTempete )`
`20:43.39`	`Sky2042`	`i'm pretty sure i was 14...`
`20:43.45`	`Sky2042`	`:\|`
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`20:43.50`	`amro`	`drop the one and its 4`
`20:43.56`	`DuTempete`	`porque yo no de Sweden...`
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`20:44.29`	`Sky2042`	`DuTempete: pity, that.`
`20:44.42`	`Sky2042`	`suecia is muy bonita`
`20:44.45`	`zhahak`	`Just want to my mom come home :D she will translate it all Oo`
`20:44.54`	`DuTempete`	`Oh? Tu es de Sweden?`
`20:45.11`	`Sky2042`	`no, no, DuTempete, did we not understand this earlier?`
`20:45.26`	`amro`	`"In a world teeming with necromancers and ghouls, you'd think they'd consider some alternatives to interring corpses intact under small quantities of excavation-friendly dirt."`
`20:45.35`	`Sky2042`	`LOL`
`20:45.44`	`DuTempete`	`lol`
`20:45.45`	`Sky2042`	`yeah, whoever heard of cremation`
`20:46.56`	`DuTempete`	`Now, I just need to find a man who speaks fluent Italian...`
`20:47.08`	`zhahak`	`Why is that?`
`20:47.55`	`Sky2042`	`DuTempete: they don't teach italian in high school :\|`
`20:48.01`	`DuTempete`	`I know :(`
`20:48.02`	`Sky2042`	`not that i'd take it, but oh well`
`20:48.25`	`DuTempete`	`They teach it in college, though, and I'm desperately trying to figure out how to take it, and get credit for it toward my degree. :P`
`20:48.28`	`zhahak`	`I will learn japanise soon .. next year`
`20:49.45`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Italiano!`
`20:50.08`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Ciao, bella`
`20:50.30`	`DuTempete`	`Awwww, gratzie, signor.`
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`20:51.05`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`:D`
`20:51.26`	`zhahak`	`Someone know Japanese?`
`20:52.02`	`DuTempete`	`My sister speaks Chinese, but I don't think that will help you...`
`20:52.14`	`zhahak`	`haha :P no chinese sucks :P`
`20:53.04`	`zhahak`	`btw might go to china ... easier then japan :P`
`20:53.06`	`zhahak`	`^^`
`20:53.11`	`zhahak`	`dont need pasport`
`20:54.22`	`Sky2042`	`zhahak: hur gammal e du?`
`20:54.38`	`zhahak`	`arton :P`
`20:55.16`	`DuTempete`	`My best friend and I were just talking about this sort of thing, actually.`
`20:55.26`	`Sky2042`	`zhahak: sweet`
`20:55.31`	`DuTempete`	`We both want to travel the world, but for different reasons.`
`20:55.32`	`zhahak`	`ye`
`20:55.54`	`DuTempete`	`She's a photographer, so, she wants to take pictures, and I want to learn the languages, and cultures.`
`20:55.59`	`zhahak`	`well moving out next year :D hmm anyway`
`20:56.03`	`zhahak`	`ye me to`
`20:56.08`	`zhahak`	`well btw`
`20:58.12`	`DuTempete`	`well, mostly, I want to learn about the culture's stories. They're fairy tales.`
`20:58.12`	`zhahak`	`why I said that Chinese sucks is basically because no manga or anime or any other interesting media like games is in the language`
`20:58.12`	`zhahak`	`haha then i should pick iran`
`20:58.12`	`DuTempete`	`lol`
`20:58.14`	`DuTempete`	`they're - their`
`20:58.22`	`zhahak`	`well where there this year`
`20:59.31`	`zhahak`	`perisan is so cool :D almost as cool as Japanese`
`20:59.44`	`DuTempete`	`perisan?`
`20:59.56`	`zhahak`	`Persian`
`21:00.01`	`DuTempete`	`ah`
`21:00.38`	`DuTempete`	`My friend's girlfriend is from Turkey.`
`21:00.46`	`DuTempete`	`She came to the US for school.`
`21:00.55`	`zhahak`	`But if you live in US it could be difficult to come there :P`
`21:01.08`	`DuTempete`	`I don't think I've ever heard the language, though.`
`21:01.40`	`zhahak`	`haha Turkey is realy uncool hmm half of iran speaks it so i know :P`
`21:01.51`	`DuTempete`	`lol`
`21:02.23`	`DuTempete`	`Well, I could easily pretend not to be American until I had to show my passport. :P`
`21:02.35`	`zhahak`	`hehe :P okey`
`21:03.27`	`zhahak`	`Hmm get European membership? like swedish? :D`
`21:03.59`	`DuTempete`	`Nah, I'd probably go for British residence, if I were to go Euro. :P`
`21:04.15`	`zhahak`	`hehe okey`
`21:04.33`	`zhahak`	`sweden are soo much cooler you know :D`
`21:04.44`	`zhahak`	`:P`
`21:04.46`	`DuTempete`	`Ah, but England has other benefits. :P`
`21:04.53`	`zhahak`	`like what?`
`21:05.12`	`DuTempete`	`Big Ben...`
`21:05.24`	`DuTempete`	`umm...`
`21:05.27`	`zhahak`	`:P`
`21:05.40`	`Sky2042`	`queen's castle > big ben`
`21:05.53`	`zhahak`	`its not like you looking at it all day long are you?`
`21:06.02`	`DuTempete`	`uh, no...`
`21:06.10`	`Sky2042`	`truth. queen's castle takes forever :P`
`21:06.31`	`Sandwichman2448`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Sandwichman2448/Sandbox`
`21:06.52`	`zhahak`	`Swedish girls > queen's castle :D`
`21:07.07`	`Sky2042`	`this is also true`
`21:07.10`	`Sky2042`	`:]`
`21:07.16`	`DuTempete`	`Well, that may be true, but there are women in England too, among other things...`
`21:07.31`	`Sky2042`	`swedes > english. this is non-negotiable`
`21:07.45`	`zhahak`	`you see`
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`21:08.22`	`Sky2042`	`sandwichman2448: http://www.wowwiki.com/Warcraft_II_Units`
`21:09.41`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`You realise it's the weekend?`
`21:09.46`	`Sky2042`	`you betcha!`
`21:09.48`	`Sandwichman2448`	`I SEE NO LORE!`
`21:09.51`	`Sky2042`	`get their asses to work!`
`21:10.01`	`zhahak`	`zhahak summon evil rabbit to take over the world.`
`21:10.03`	`Sky2042`	`:D`
`21:10.05`	`DuTempete`	`brb, feeding the dog`
`21:10.23`	`Sky2042`	`zhahak: use /me "/me summons evil rabbit to take over the world."`
`21:10.31`	`zhahak`	`ok :D thanks`
`21:10.55`	`zhahak`	`:D`
`21:11.04`	`zhahak`	`brb`
`21:12.24`	`zhahak`	`back`
`21:14.25`	`DuTempete`	`So, yeah, Sky2042, you be nice to Kirkburn. He's working hard to level to 20!`
`21:14.35`	`Sky2042`	`as can be seen.`
`21:14.59`	`zhahak`	`why is he doing that?`
`21:15.10`	`DuTempete`	`Uhh, because it amuses him?`
`21:15.49`	`zhahak`	`Okey just asking no harm done :P`
`21:16.00`	`DuTempete`	`hehe`
`21:16.21`	`DuTempete`	`He's not here just for Sky2042 to abuse. :P`
`21:16.30`	`DuTempete`	`I get to do some of that, too!`
`21:16.34`	`Sky2042`	`but it's obviously my favorite pastime!`
`21:19.25`	`foxlit`	`Kael'Thas kills Illidan on page 234!`
`21:20.00`	`DuTempete`	`Ohemgee! No wai!1!!1one`
`21:20.12`	`Sky2042`	`gah, not quite 10k`
`21:20.21`	`zhahak`	`:P`
`21:20.23`	`zhahak`	`what`
`21:20.25`	`Sky2042`	`i'm staring at 9520 :\|`
`21:20.28`	`Sky2042`	`contribution`
`21:20.30`	`Sky2042`	`s`
`21:20.33`	`zhahak`	`in what book?`
`21:20.55`	`foxlit`	`Expansion 3`
`21:21.02`	`foxlit`	`It's a choose-your-own-adventure style thing`
`21:21.16`	`zhahak`	`what? lol link?`
`21:21.33`	`Sky2042`	`choose your own adventure. zomfg`
`21:21.37`	`foxlit`	`They moved black temple to another planet to accommodate for people who never saw it to bc.`
`21:21.39`	`Sky2042`	`zhahak, he's joking :)`
`21:21.48`	`zhahak`	`no he is making it up :P`
`21:22.10`	`zhahak`	`^^`
`21:22.20`	`foxlit`	`Apparently we have a rule against lore spoilers in channel`
`21:22.31`	`foxlit`	`Though what defines a lore spoiler is beyond me :P`
`21:22.35`	`Sandwichman2448`	`What?`
`21:22.37`	`zhahak`	`:P`
`21:22.57`	`Sandwichman2448`	`Void FTW`
`21:23.07`	`foxlit`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:IRC`
`21:25.13`	`Sandwichman2448`	`What is the plural of Barracks?`
`21:25.32`	`foxlit`	`Barracks`
`21:25.35`	`DuTempete`	`Barracks.`
`21:25.43`	`Sandwichman2448`	`Singular is same?`
`21:25.51`	`DuTempete`	`It's like deer and deer`
`21:25.55`	`Sandwichman2448`	`OHHHHHHHHH`
`21:26.24`	`DuTempete`	`Oh, hey!`
`21:26.27`	`foxlit`	`No, singular is actually barrack`
`21:26.29`	`DuTempete`	`No fair using hero classes!`
`21:26.32`	`foxlit`	`But people usually use plural`
`21:26.34`	`zhahak`	`hehe`
`21:26.39`	`zhahak`	`well i am one :P`
`21:26.43`	`Sandwichman2448`	`OK`
`21:26.45`	`DuTempete`	`blah blah`
`21:28.19`	`foxlit`	`http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/1383-Zero-Punctuation-Console-Rundown`
`21:28.25`	`foxlit`	`While I have that in the clipboard :)`
`21:28.34`	`foxlit`	`Go watch, it's... great.`
`21:30.21`	`DuTempete`	`Shut up, Sky2042!`
`21:30.34`	`DuTempete`	`hehe`
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`21:31.58`	`DuTempete`	`lol`
`21:32.02`	`DuTempete`	`saw`
`21:32.08`	`DuTempete`	`you saw :)`
`21:32.18`	`zhahak`	`saw :P thanks`
`21:32.31`	`DuTempete`	`have/has seen, or just saw`
`21:32.35`	`zhahak`	`^^ learning English o yeah`
`21:32.38`	`Sky2042`	`you can tell i'm bored when i start rping :O`
`21:33.00`	`DuTempete`	`zhahak started it :p`
`21:33.11`	`zhahak`	`hehe its fun :D`
`21:33.34`	`Sandwichman2448`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:DoubleRedirects SKY!!!!!!!!!`
`21:33.35`	`DuTempete`	`hehe, you'll haev to forgive me, zhahak, I'm a writer. I tend to be very dramatic, and use higher language :P`
`21:34.05`	`Sky2042`	`not that many to clean up, imo`
`21:34.09`	`Sky2042`	`i've done more ;)`
`21:34.17`	`Sandwichman2448`	`Snad.. i.. wch.. man?`
`21:34.18`	`zhahak`	`Okey you work as a writer?`
`21:34.31`	`Sky2042`	`sandwichman*`
`21:34.33`	`DuTempete`	`not yet, no, zhahak`
`21:34.38`	`Sandwichman2448`	`Yes sky?`
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`21:34.47`	`zhahak`	`you want to me?`
`21:34.55`	`DuTempete`	`I plan to work as a teacher, when I graduate, and write on the side.`
`21:35.05`	`zhahak`	`ok`
`21:35.05`	`Sky2042`	`i was correcting my spelling.`
`21:35.14`	`DuTempete`	`atm, I'm writing for personal pleasure, and for non-paying publications.`
`21:35.30`	`DuTempete`	`I have a few pieces in my college's literary magezine, this year.`
`21:35.33`	`Sandwichman2448`	`Ok. What did you want?`
`21:36.24`	`zhahak`	`Well in Sweden you get really bad paid for working as a Teacher :/`
`21:36.40`	`DuTempete`	`Hehe, you do in the US, too, but it's enuogh to pay the bills.`
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`21:37.28`	`zhahak`	`Okey, well i use to say .. do what you think is fun and what you can live a life without getting bored.`
`21:37.56`	`DuTempete`	`Well, I can't not teach. And, I can't not write.`
`21:37.57`	`Sky2042`	`sandwichman: you shrieked when I moved that article...`
`21:37.59`	`Sky2042`	`:\|`
`21:38.04`	`DuTempete`	`So, I have to do both. :P`
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`21:38.45`	`zhahak`	`I'm planning on working on Artifact Intelligence and robot technology doing whit Artifact Intelligence`
`21:38.59`	`DuTempete`	`You mean artificial intelligence?`
`21:39.00`	`Sky2042`	`lol, foxlit ftw`
`21:39.06`	`zhahak`	`ye :D`
`21:39.08`	`Sky2042`	`you could, you know, edit under foxlit :P`
`21:39.10`	`DuTempete`	`hehe`
`21:39.15`	`foxlit`	`I could`
`21:39.21`	`foxlit`	`But that'd be cheating :)`
`21:39.27`	`zhahak`	`well could not spell it so well i let it be`
`21:39.29`	`DuTempete`	`That's really interesting, in a terribly nerdy way that I love. :)`
`21:39.54`	`zhahak`	`:P`
`21:40.01`	`zhahak`	`hehe well ye`
`21:40.11`	`foxlit`	`Plus foxlit has no sysop powers`
`21:40.21`	`Sky2042`	`huh?`
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`21:40.38`	`Sky2042`	`and why did you delete that? :\| you're so weird!`
`21:40.44`	`zhahak`	`but its interesting and well need to study atleast 4 years in university`
`21:40.46`	`Sandwichman2448`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Sandwichman2448/Sandbox We are missing some stuff...`
`21:40.52`	`zhahak`	`i think ...`
`21:41.19`	`foxlit`	`Because the less sounds-right-but-actually-a-redirect pages we have showing up as blue links, the better :)`
`21:41.51`	`zhahak`	`btw could you define nerdy for me? :D hade a debate about it the other day`
`21:42.24`	`foxlit`	`"Chief Thunder-Skins is the drummer of the thrash metal band Level 70 Elite Tauren Chieftain." thrash metal?`
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`21:42.51`	`Sky2042`	`you do have to wonder`
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`21:45.59`	`Sky2042`	`foxlit: no`
`21:46.01`	`Sky2042`	`bad foxlit`
`21:46.06`	`DuTempete`	`lol`
`21:46.14`	`DuTempete`	`I was letting my dog inside :P`
`21:46.15`	`foxlit`	`what did I miss?`
`21:46.32`	`zhahak`	`well then your died :P`
`21:46.34`	`Sky2042`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Death_Knight&action=history`
`21:46.44`	`DuTempete`	`blah blah`
`21:46.48`	`DuTempete`	`I'll get over it`
`21:46.57`	`Sandwichman2448`	`What?`
`21:48.41`	`Sky2042`	`eh?`
`21:48.45`	`zhahak`	`heheh _D`
`21:48.46`	`Sandwichman2448`	`What did I do wrong?`
`21:48.49`	`Sky2042`	`no god-moding :P`
`21:49.04`	`Sky2042`	`you die, you die. find a better reason to undie.`
`21:49.17`	`zhahak`	`no im deamon lol`
`21:49.34`	`zhahak`	`like onyxia in the old days :P`
`21:49.55`	`Sky2042`	`bad foxlit. get back in your kage.`
`21:51.03`	`Sky2042`	`who's dahahka?`
`21:51.10`	`zhahak`	`hehe`
`21:51.28`	`zhahak`	`read persian mytology :P`
`21:52.08`	`foxlit`	`play pop`
`21:52.09`	`zhahak`	`well dahahka kill sky and drain hes soul`
`21:52.37`	`zhahak`	`then he ask him why he killed zhahak`
`21:52.41`	`foxlit`	`l2spell!`
`21:52.55`	`DuTempete`	`omg, foxlit`
`21:52.58`	`DuTempete`	`don't be an ass`
`21:53.00`	`DuTempete`	`lol`
`21:53.11`	`foxlit`	`12 matches on google = not a word`
`21:55.18`	`zhahak`	`DuTempete you there?`
`21:55.52`	`DuTempete`	`maybe`
`21:56.06`	`zhahak`	`okey could yo define nerd as a us native`
`21:56.35`	`DuTempete`	`umm`
`21:56.41`	`zhahak`	`:P`
`21:57.01`	`DuTempete`	`well, a nerd could be defined as one who is interested in or doing work in things that are outside of the "normality" box`
`21:57.10`	`zhahak`	`As I said before hade a debate about it before`
`21:57.15`	`DuTempete`	`E.g. advanced technology`
`21:57.20`	`DuTempete`	`or Star Trek`
`21:57.55`	`DuTempete`	`Math as an interest or profession is seen as nerdy, as well`
`21:58.09`	`zhahak`	`ok`
`21:58.16`	`DuTempete`	`as is being involved in things that are "real"`
`21:58.27`	`DuTempete`	`are = aren't`
`21:58.33`	`zhahak`	`many ppl who use math in there lives :D`
`21:58.48`	`zhahak`	`and hmm whats real`
`21:58.54`	`DuTempete`	`using it, and being interested in it, or making a profession of it, are different things`
`21:59.11`	`DuTempete`	`Star Trek is fantasy`
`21:59.17`	`DuTempete`	`the daily 9-5 is real`
`22:00.19`	`zhahak`	`As i know of it its something you only talk about in school?`
`22:00.37`	`zhahak`	`or by teenagers`
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`22:00.52`	`DuTempete`	`nerdiness?`
`22:01.07`	`zhahak`	`ye`
`22:01.14`	`DuTempete`	`depends on the context`
`22:01.24`	`zhahak`	`ofc`
`22:01.34`	`DuTempete`	`saying it cruelly about another person, yeah, that's usually something adolescents do.`
`22:01.59`	`DuTempete`	`But it becomes more descriptive, rather than derogatory, in older age groups.`
`22:02.21`	`DuTempete`	`And those who are typically referred to as nerdy like to wield it as a source of pride.`
`22:02.27`	`DuTempete`	`Like we do :P`
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`22:03.41`	`zhahak`	`is geek = nerd`
`22:03.55`	`zhahak`	`it be a geek = to be a nerd :P`
`22:04.03`	`DuTempete`	`some people say no, some people say yes`
`22:04.10`	`DuTempete`	`but I'm not really aware of any distinction`
`22:04.18`	`zhahak`	`ok`
`22:05.02`	`zhahak`	`well thank you :) brb`
`22:05.59`	`DuTempete`	`hehe np`
`22:07.18`	`zhahak`	`cuz in my dictionary it says "a foolish or useless person"`
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`22:08.19`	`DuTempete`	`lol`
`22:08.25`	`zhahak`	`:P`
`22:08.26`	`DuTempete`	`that's very not correct`
`22:08.55`	`DuTempete`	`A translational dictionary, or an English dictionary?`
`22:09.20`	`zhahak`	`an english`
`22:09.27`	`zhahak`	`english to englsih`
`22:09.38`	`DuTempete`	`lol which dictionary?`
`22:09.45`	`zhahak`	`hehe 2 sec`
`22:10.04`	`zhahak`	`longman dictionaries`
`22:10.20`	`DuTempete`	`let me see what Webster's and Oxford have to say about it`
`22:10.27`	`zhahak`	`the others i have is english swedish`
`22:10.37`	`Sky2042`	`geek != nerd`
`22:11.15`	`DuTempete`	`Webster's is fairly close to what I said: an unstylish, unattractive, or socially inept person; especially : one slavishly devoted to intellectual or academic pursuits <computer nerds>`
`22:11.41`	`zhahak`	`well form what date is your book from?`
`22:11.44`	`zhahak`	`from*`
`22:14.55`	`DuTempete`	`This page has references from multiple dictionaries: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nerd`
`22:15.08`	`DuTempete`	`Merriam-Webster online dictionary, zhahak :P`
`22:15.39`	`bleeter`	`http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/N/nerd.html`
`22:15.44`	`bleeter`	`http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/G/geek.html`
`22:16.01`	`bleeter`	`Hacker's dictionary... about the only thing from ESR of any genuine value ;)`
`22:16.41`	`zhahak`	`a stupid, irritating, ineffectual, or unattractive person.`
`22:16.47`	`zhahak`	`:P`
`22:17.05`	`zhahak`	`nerd according to this = loser`
`22:17.18`	`bleeter`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:17.24`	`bleeter`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:17.29`	`bleeter`	`^^ nerd`
`22:18.03`	`zhahak`	`Well so IQ is in the picture?`
`22:18.15`	`DuTempete`	`not in a literal sense`
`22:18.27`	`Sky2042`	`foxlit: thank you for http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/1383-Zero-Punctuation-Console-Rundown`
`22:18.54`	`DuTempete`	`but yes, since those who have higher intelligences tend to pursue more intellectual paths, which are not "norm" as described also by the bell curve :P`
`22:19.19`	`bleeter`	`hehe http://www.geekpride.net/`
`22:20.08`	`zhahak`	`well in swedenyou are like only a hmm nerd if you play wow :P and you dont need to have any high iq for that`
`22:20.52`	`DuTempete`	`that's the non-reality part`
`22:20.56`	`Sky2042`	`most boys between the age of 10 and 35 would be considered nerds in America :P`
`22:21.06`	`DuTempete`	`esp for those who are "socially inept"`
`22:21.16`	`Sky2042`	`counterstrike as an artform`
`22:21.31`	`Sky2042`	`most boys in sweden*`
`22:21.32`	`zhahak`	`hehe`
`22:22.22`	`zhahak`	`well, ye true hmm the word nerd can have so many menings :P`
`22:22.31`	`DuTempete`	`yeah, it can :P`
`22:22.48`	`bleeter`	`does that mean there's a 'market' for non-nerd guys in Sweden?`
`22:22.51`	`zhahak`	`interesting ^^ (am i an nerd now? )`
`22:22.58`	`DuTempete`	`lmao bleeter`
`22:23.03`	`zhahak`	`yes there is`
`22:23.08`	`DuTempete`	`yes, you are, on two counts`
`22:23.17`	`DuTempete`	`1: AI/robotics, 2: WoW`
`22:23.31`	`zhahak`	`3 high iq :P`
`22:23.37`	`DuTempete`	`lol`
`22:23.54`	`bleeter`	`4. Bite the heads off chickens?`
`22:23.58`	`bleeter`	`oh, hang on, that's geek`
`22:23.59`	`zhahak`	`http://www.mensa.org/`
`22:23.59`	`Sky2042`	`yeah, something like that`
`22:24.01`	`zhahak`	`no`
`22:24.08`	`DuTempete`	`lol, well I have a higher nerd count than you do :P`
`22:24.18`	`Sky2042`	`unfortunately, almost none of the swedish guys are geeks, which makes it hard to get a girl there :\| they`
`22:24.19`	`zhahak`	`you do shit`
`22:24.20`	`Sky2042`	`ve all gotten used to nerd`
`22:24.22`	`Sky2042`	`s`
`22:25.17`	`Sky2042`	`incoming mother >.>`
`22:25.19`	`DuTempete`	`1: language, 2: writing, 3: fantasy novels 4: mensa IQ 5: computers 6: WoW, 7: math`
`22:25.29`	`DuTempete`	`um... trying to think of what else`
`22:26.03`	`zhahak`	`programming?`
`22:26.10`	`zhahak`	`does it count`
`22:26.17`	`DuTempete`	`well, I put that w/in computers`
`22:26.23`	`foxlit`	`not unless it's assembler.`
`22:26.26`	`DuTempete`	`haha`
`22:26.35`	`DuTempete`	`mmm... assembly`
`22:26.48`	`zhahak`	`you have language and writing and fantasy novels :P`
`22:26.51`	`zhahak`	`ffs :D`
`22:26.59`	`zhahak`	`^^ bit of same thing`
`22:27.14`	`DuTempete`	`not really`
`22:27.23`	`DuTempete`	`language as in liguistics`
`22:27.51`	`DuTempete`	`fantasy novels is in the non-reality category`
`22:27.56`	`zhahak`	`but then computes coumt as one right :P`
`22:28.02`	`DuTempete`	`and writing is in the intellectual category`
`22:28.52`	`DuTempete`	`lmao`
`22:28.55`	`DuTempete`	`this is funny`
`22:29.28`	`DuTempete`	`if mensa.org is a site for highly intelligent people, why do they feel the need to include this statement on the front page: For more information, please select one of the options from the menu on the left side of the page.`
`22:30.09`	`zhahak`	`hmm DuTempete you done the mensa iq test?`
`22:30.30`	`zhahak`	`hehe but there are other none intelegent looking on the site as well ehh`
`22:31.47`	`foxlit`	`I don't think it has anything to do with their desired audience`
`22:31.53`	`foxlit`	`It's more of a convention.`
`22:33.10`	`DuTempete`	`I still think it's funnyl`
`22:33.23`	`DuTempete`	`no, zhahak, I haven't done an official mensa test, that I'm aware of`
`22:33.30`	`zhahak`	`You know how high IQ you need to join mensa right :P`
`22:33.33`	`zhahak`	`ok`
`22:33.45`	`DuTempete`	`I took one in high school, for my psychology class`
`22:33.50`	`zhahak`	`no in us it cost money i think (in sweden its free)`
`22:33.52`	`DuTempete`	`an IQ test`
`22:34.00`	`Sky2042`	`my mother's a mensa member...`
`22:34.02`	`Sky2042`	`>.>`
`22:34.05`	`DuTempete`	`hehe`
`22:34.11`	`zhahak`	`cool`
`22:34.20`	`DuTempete`	`I've thought about trying to join`
`22:34.27`	`zhahak`	`well dont ther pre test`
`22:34.29`	`*** join/#wowwiki Kirkburn (n=Kirkburn@82-32-40-219.cable.ubr06.azte.blueyonder.co.uk)`
`22:34.29`	`DuTempete`	`but can't think of any purpose for it, other than showing off`
`22:34.29`	`*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Kirkburn] by ChanServ`
`22:34.33`	`zhahak`	`on www.mensa.se`
`22:34.51`	`Kirkburn`	`ffs, PC crashed`
`22:34.54`	`DuTempete`	`D'oh`
`22:35.09`	`Kirkburn`	`If anyone said anything to me since about an hour ago, I missed it ><`
`22:35.15`	`zhahak`	`install ubuntu :D`
`22:35.17`	`Kirkburn`	`Right as I was in a group, about to kill Dar'Khan`
`22:35.41`	`Kirkburn`	`My experience is not that of Linux being stable ...`
`22:35.51`	`DuTempete`	`lmao`
`22:35.54`	`zhahak`	`hehe it is ubuntu is`
`22:36.01`	`foxlit`	`Oh, so you haven't been here while we mercilessly judged all your edits for the past 2 years?`
`22:36.02`	`DuTempete`	`let's not get into the linux argument...`
`22:36.03`	`foxlit`	`Good, good!`
`22:36.07`	`zhahak`	`or wait for ubuntu 7.10 comming 18 oktober`
`22:36.16`	`zhahak`	`hehe`
`22:36.17`	`foxlit`	`Hey`
`22:36.20`	`zhahak`	`:P okey`
`22:36.25`	`foxlit`	`I know a good OS that's coming in October.`
`22:36.27`	`foxlit`	`And it isn't linux!`
`22:36.31`	`amro`	`depends on your hardware really. on some hardware using linux is hell`
`22:36.35`	`Sky2042`	`foxlit: meh`
`22:36.41`	`Kirkburn`	`AARRGH, LOAD YOU STUPID PC`
`22:36.49`	`Sky2042`	`foxlit: it sure as hell ain't vista`
`22:36.51`	`Sky2042`	`:P`
`22:37.03`	`zhahak`	`:P what is it foxlit?`
`22:37.08`	`foxlit`	`Vista's out, yeah?`
`22:37.31`	`Sky2042`	`yeah!`
`22:37.31`	`zhahak`	`Vistas not bad :P`
`22:37.35`	`Sky2042`	`and i'm hungry :\|`
`22:38.47`	`foxlit`	`People sitting next to me during math lectures occasionally pull out their brand new notebooks with Vista pre-installed, and I get to watch them try to connect to the wireless network.`
`22:38.49`	`foxlit`	`Urgh.`
`22:39.11`	`zhahak`	`then they are noobs :P`
`22:39.43`	`Sky2042`	`foxlit: lol!`
`22:39.43`	`zhahak`	`you said it was a computer designed for vista?`
`22:40.00`	`foxlit`	`Nah, just a relatively good, new-ish notebook.`
`22:40.12`	`foxlit`	`Default OEM install is Vista anyway.`
`22:40.15`	`zhahak`	`sp 1?`
`22:40.26`	`foxlit`	`There is no sp1.`
`22:40.33`	`zhahak`	`it is a beta one :P`
`22:40.45`	`amro`	`why would a beta come preinstalled?`
`22:40.58`	`zhahak`	`hehe well he could be haxor han install it?`
`22:41.01`	`zhahak`	`like i did :P`
`22:41.25`	`foxlit`	`The guy next to me? Why would he bother? :)`
`22:42.13`	`zhahak`	`dunno, tell him to try ubuntu whit compiz ^^`
`22:42.17`	`foxlit`	`Besides, disclaimers on the beta releases usually say something along the lines of "this can kill your computer, and we'll just stand by and laugh while you suffer horribly"`
`22:42.28`	`zhahak`	`hehe`
`22:42.39`	`bleeter`	`I thought OEMs got rollup patch packs, they certainly do for XP`
`22:43.04`	`zhahak`	`:P ye its not out you cant get it from Microsoft's site :P or could not dunno now`
`22:43.12`	`foxlit`	`They do - the question is how often those are updated - and beta software would probably not be included`
`22:43.52`	`foxlit`	`Anyway, I don't really feel like recommending Linux to anyone either.`
`22:44.05`	`zhahak`	`say i did it :P`
`22:44.12`	`zhahak`	`^^`
`22:44.53`	`zhahak`	`or are you a shame you talking to me? TELL THE TRUTH :P`
`22:45.06`	`foxlit`	`There are few things to gain, a heckload of things to learn if they want to use it properly, and a lot to lose from switching in that direction.`
`22:45.38`	`*** join/#wowwiki Clashen (i=handsome@84-217-129-170.tn.glocalnet.net)`
`22:46.20`	`zhahak`	`hmm not much to learn ^^ or well it is if you are power windows user (and your Friend where not that right :P)`
`22:46.59`	`zhahak`	`Anyway, lets forget this ... i know ppl fear new things and i respect it too`
`22:47.13`	`foxlit`	`I make no judgement to my friend's level of knowledge with respect to windows.`
`22:47.42`	`zhahak`	`he dint make the wireless to work :P`
`22:47.48`	`foxlit`	`I simply think it could be a lot better at guessing that you want to connect to a wireless network, and telling you that you are not connected.`
`22:47.52`	`foxlit`	`Yeah, he did.`
`22:47.56`	`foxlit`	`It just took a minute or two.`
`22:48.08`	`zhahak`	`so what was so bad then?`
`22:48.10`	`zhahak`	`:P`
`22:48.16`	`foxlit`	`It took a minute or two.`
`22:48.30`	`zhahak`	`hehe but who said it was the os?`
`22:48.45`	`zhahak`	`anyway i only speculate so well lets forget it`
`22:49.47`	`zhahak`	`its 00:50 here whats the time for you ?`
`22:49.50`	`foxlit`	`It was the OS, really :)`
`22:50.21`	`foxlit`	`Connecting / getting connection status to a wireless network is needlessly complicated`
`22:50.54`	`foxlit`	`I turned on my laptop, it noticed that none of my default networks were around, noticed the open network, popped up a "Would you like to connect?" bubble, and with one click, I had wireless access.`
`22:51.28`	`zhahak`	`:P lol`
`22:51.46`	`foxlit`	`He had to go through several dialogs; at some point I think he found the network, but didn't actually connect to it - which took about 30s to discover with a lack of browser connectivity`
`22:51.47`	`zhahak`	`so did not vista do that?`
`22:51.53`	`foxlit`	`No.`
`22:52.26`	`zhahak`	`well its might be cuz the dont want ppl to go in to other ppl networks so easy?`
`22:52.40`	`zhahak`	`anyway i know vista pre sp1 sucks`
`22:52.51`	`foxlit`	`Open networks are meant to be accessed that easily`
`22:53.34`	`amro`	`zhahak: that doesn't make sense. making people go through more dialogs is not security`
`22:53.40`	`zhahak`	`and well ubuntu is breather then it so it does not mather for me.`
`22:54.40`	`zhahak`	`ye as i said im speculating :P foxlit always knows more as he seen the dam action`
`22:55.04`	`foxlit`	`I've seen someone connect to a wireless network on unbuntu a while ago. 3 lines of command-line hell.`
`22:55.17`	`zhahak`	`:P what version?`
`22:55.21`	`foxlit`	`Perhaps hat someone was just stubbornly refusing to use UI tools.`
`22:55.29`	`zhahak`	`ye could be`
`22:56.11`	`foxlit`	`edgy, probably`
`22:56.21`	`zhahak`	`ubuntu is easier then windows in many cases which sometimes is bad according to me :P`
`22:56.39`	`zhahak`	`okey well he dint have to`
`22:56.40`	`foxlit`	`rm -fr / is sure a lot shorter to type`
`22:57.01`	`foxlit`	`Oh, fun story to go with that`
`22:57.02`	`amro`	`my sound card works on kubuntu out of the box but wouldn't work on windows`
`22:57.09`	`foxlit`	`Our campus accounts have rm aliased to rm -i`
`22:57.18`	`foxlit`	`So even if you do rm -fr /, it'll still prompt you`
`22:57.51`	`zhahak`	`its rm -r ?`
`22:57.58`	`foxlit`	`amro: no doubt came with a windows driver cd?`
`22:58.06`	`amro`	`didn't work`
`22:58.07`	`foxlit`	`zhahak: not if you don't want to be prompted`
`22:58.11`	`amro`	`tried for hours`
`22:58.17`	`foxlit`	`Aw :)`
`22:58.31`	`zhahak`	`ahh checking manual now :P`
`22:58.35`	`foxlit`	`What sound card? I may want to avoid it in the future`
`22:58.38`	`amro`	`the irony of it all when I bought it I was worried it wouldn't work on kubuntu`
`23:00.16`	`zhahak`	`it is rm -f -t (somthing you want to remove)`
`23:00.28`	`amro`	`card was ESS maestro`
`23:01.03`	`amro`	`what's -t for?`
`23:01.18`	`zhahak`	`lil :P -r`
`23:01.26`	`zhahak`	`rm -f -r`
`23:01.36`	`foxlit`	`rm -fr works just as well`
`23:01.41`	`zhahak`	`it does?`
`23:01.45`	`amro`	`thy're the sa0e`
`23:01.50`	`zhahak`	`dunno is no guru in linux :P`
`23:01.59`	`bleeter`	`-t's sort by modification time :P`
`23:02.03`	`foxlit`	`man: rm [-dfiPRrvW] file`
`23:02.28`	`bleeter`	`but 'course only in ls /doh`
`23:02.48`	`zhahak`	`well rm -fr DID work for me`
`23:03.31`	`piu`	`"rumm ruff slash splat"`
`23:03.41`	`*** join/#wowwiki Sandwichman2448 (n=cyrillpi@77.143.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com)`
`23:04.33`	`zhahak`	`Hey sandwitchman`
`23:04.48`	`amro`	`lol witchman`
`23:05.21`	`Sandwichman2448`	`Hello`
`23:06.46`	`Sandwichman2448`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Sandwichman2448/Sandbox We are missing some. i said that before but nw the list is done.`
`23:06.58`	`zhahak`	`Where is DuTempeture :/`
`23:09.04`	`Sandwichman2448`	`I do not know.`
`23:09.39`	`zhahak`	`amro about the driver`
`23:10.24`	`Sandwichman2448`	`I hate those High elf/blood elf building pictures. IT WAS JUST A GAME MECHANIC!`
`23:10.48`	`zhahak`	`hmm? what?`
`23:11.04`	`amro`	`zhahak: what about the driver?`
`23:11.37`	`zhahak`	`well you could install the drivers for windows ?`
`23:11.59`	`amro`	`no`
`23:12.17`	`zhahak`	`did you find any?`
`23:12.20`	`amro`	`at one point windows wouldn't even boot up in normal mode if the card was inserted`
`23:12.37`	`amro`	`no, I just don't use inferior operating systems anymore :D`
`23:12.52`	`zhahak`	`:D ye`
`23:13.58`	`bleeter`	`amro++`
`23:13.58`	`zhahak`	`why you use kubuntu ? dont kde look bad?`
`23:14.17`	`amro`	`~lart zhahak`
`23:14.17`	`infobot`	`beats zhahak severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken`
`23:14.39`	`zhahak`	`lol`
`23:14.42`	`foxlit`	`http://www.kde.org/screenshots/`
`23:14.55`	`foxlit`	`Don't all linux distros look horrible?`
`23:15.05`	`zhahak`	`no :P`
`23:15.17`	`zhahak`	`not ubuntu new one or ubuntu studio`
`23:15.18`	`foxlit`	`Link screenshots!`
`23:15.28`	`zhahak`	`k wait`
`23:15.34`	`bleeter`	`~lart bleeter`
`23:15.34`	`infobot`	`hits bleeter with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha`
`23:15.39`	`Kaydeethree`	`meh, I'm fond of my setup`
`23:16.14`	`amro`	`I'm stuck on 1024x768 on a WXGA screen now :(`
`23:16.30`	`zhahak`	`about the link from kde it looks horreble :P as horreble as xp default :P`
`23:17.10`	`amro`	`http://kde-look.org/`
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`23:17.21`	`bleeter`	`fact: open source OS's Window Managers are far more customisable than either of the two closed source OS's. fact: most people can't design for crap, hence when they customise their UI, it looks like junk. fact: people mistake the highly customisable nature of the window managers as an indication they all look crap`
`23:17.38`	`Kaydeethree`	`^`
`23:18.27`	`amro`	`bleeter++`
`23:18.39`	`kadrahil`	`is 608 agi unbuffed good enough to benefit from speccing survival?`
`23:19.01`	`kadrahil`	`633 tomorrow when i get my glove enchant`
`23:19.32`	`amro`	`survival is for tree huggers. go BM and shred face :D`
`23:19.37`	`kadrahil`	`:/`
`23:19.54`	`kadrahil`	`i've played 41/20 BM forever`
`23:20.02`	`amro`	`agi sucks since BC, so I go for lots of stam and ap`
`23:20.14`	`foxlit`	`http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/`
`23:20.19`	`amro`	`I'm BM/Surv with enough in surv for survivalist. +15% HP ftw`
`23:20.26`	`zhahak`	`http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=833&slide=8`
`23:20.50`	`kadrahil`	`foxlit: october :O`
`23:20.59`	`foxlit`	`october!`
`23:21.48`	`zhahak`	`well osx arec cool to as vista`
`23:21.50`	`zhahak`	`but`
`23:22.00`	`foxlit`	`zhahak: well, at least that's not repulsive.`
`23:22.03`	`Sky2042`	`RC SPAM!`
`23:22.39`	`amro`	`"Drag windows to different workspaces and unclutter your Mac"`
`23:22.43`	`amro`	`that's an 'innovation' now?`
`23:22.54`	`foxlit`	`Yeah, fear it.`
`23:22.54`	`zhahak`	`hehe :P`
`23:23.09`	`foxlit`	`In the sense that you couldn't do it before :P`
`23:23.09`	`amro`	`KDE's had it since the 20th century :P`
`23:23.31`	`foxlit`	`Windows had it through powertoys for a long while as well`
`23:24.14`	`foxlit`	`Having said that, most implementations I've seen aren't actually that useful`
`23:24.22`	`zhahak`	`i can say that if you want your os to look good linux is the best in my opinion as you whit compiz can make it look as you want`
`23:24.31`	`amro`	`there isn't a single 'innovation' on that leopard page...`
`23:25.09`	`zhahak`	`about the powertoy ... it was after it came to the unix world`
`23:25.23`	`*** part/#wowwiki Sandwichman2448 (n=cyrillpi@77.143.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com)`
`23:25.28`	`foxlit`	`Technically, the CreateDesktop api has been around since win95`
`23:25.30`	`zhahak`	`well depentds on what you define it as`
`23:25.34`	`bleeter`	`OSX = take all the NeXT, throw away all the good bits, bolt it on to OS9`
`23:25.35`	`foxlit`	`Not that anyone used it`
`23:25.54`	`bleeter`	`then slowly re-introduce the cool bits and call it innovation`
`23:25.55`	`foxlit`	`amro: I don't believe anything uses Cover Flow in a file browser`
`23:26.24`	`zhahak`	`hmm you can in ubuntu :P`
`23:27.03`	`foxlit`	`In a file browser?`
`23:27.11`	`zhahak`	`btw about cower flow is thinking buying a gen 6 ipod :P`
`23:27.26`	`foxlit`	`touch or classic?`
`23:27.29`	`amro`	`foxlit: a similar concept was introduced in BumpTop`
`23:27.44`	`amro`	`though not to the same extent`
`23:28.22`	`amro`	`also it looks just like the preview features put in a 3d view`
`23:28.23`	`zhahak`	`classic i think :P but are not shore yet touch are cool but ... well to smal HD`
`23:28.25`	`foxlit`	`Not quite the same thing`
`23:28.54`	`zhahak`	`small*`
`23:29.12`	`zhahak`	`Well have not made up my mind yet.`
`23:29.18`	`foxlit`	`amro: Time Machine?`
`23:29.28`	`zhahak`	`But guess its gonna be classic`
`23:29.33`	`zhahak`	`80g`
`23:29.37`	`zhahak`	`gig*`
`23:29.45`	`amro`	`foxlit: doesn't vista have something like that?`
`23:29.53`	`zhahak`	`hmm time machine are in vista too ...`
`23:29.55`	`amro`	`(reading up on time machine now)`
`23:30.24`	`zhahak`	`i think ... :P i heard :D`
`23:30.38`	`amro`	`sounds like a glorified backup utility`
`23:31.11`	`foxlit`	`It is, more or less`
`23:31.14`	`zhahak`	`ye but would you say wii is innovative ?`
`23:32.55`	`amro`	`leopard has some neat features but it's still a proprietary OS and thus a no-no`
`23:33.00`	`amro`	`for me at least`
`23:33.03`	`Jolt`	`http://www.jolt.nu/other/WoWScrnShot_090907_012749.jpg <3 my RP character.`
`23:33.06`	`Jolt`	`:o`
`23:33.23`	`zhahak`	`hehe lol`
`23:33.46`	`foxlit`	`why the proprietary hate?`
`23:33.52`	`zhahak`	`how come he is a warrior?`
`23:34.02`	`Jolt`	`so he can wield a sword too`
`23:34.09`	`Jolt`	`2handed.`
`23:34.15`	`Jolt`	`and other various things :P`
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`23:34.28`	`foxlit`	`There are a few neat dock-related updates which are way cool :)`
`23:34.32`	`zhahak`	`k ... that could be good for rp yes`
`23:34.32`	`amro`	`not hate, dislike. and there are many reasons for that I'm sure you've heard before :)`
`23:34.52`	`Jolt`	`I just love how the defias set and Sergeant's Cape look together`
`23:34.53`	`Jolt`	`<3`
`23:35.13`	`Jolt`	`Took me a while to get the entire set`
`23:35.21`	`zhahak`	`k :P not me :D like tire 5 for druids :D`
`23:35.56`	`Jolt`	`I also like to walk around in my Imperial Plate set when I am on guard duty.`
`23:36.05`	`zhahak`	`:P`
`23:36.06`	`zhahak`	`ok`
`23:36.06`	`amro`	`foxlit: it seems better than windows but even if I wanted to my wallet wouldn't let me get a mac`
`23:36.15`	`Jolt`	`but this is my casual wear`
`23:36.39`	`foxlit`	`It is better than windows, and some macs are very wallet-friendly`
`23:36.42`	`zhahak`	`well mac is not that expensive`
`23:36.57`	`foxlit`	`Then again, you're signing up to a Apple-only hardware deal, which I don't particulary like`
`23:38.03`	`amro`	`the laptops are nice, if I could afford a MacBook Pro I'd get and setup dual boot to play around with macos`
`23:38.13`	`Jolt`	`gief macbookpro`
`23:38.14`	`Jolt`	`now`
`23:38.15`	`Jolt`	`:/`
`23:38.23`	`foxlit`	`Unless you're booting windows, why bother with dual boot? :)`
`23:38.25`	`zhahak`	`well vista and leopard or ubuntu well no BIG difference`
`23:39.00`	`zhahak`	`ubuntu?`
`23:39.02`	`zhahak`	`:D`
`23:39.08`	`amro`	`nice tool for bad parents http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/features/parentalcontrols.html`
`23:39.36`	`zhahak`	`ye dislike it to or well it sould not be needed :PP`
`23:39.45`	`foxlit`	`Think vista does something along the same lines as well`
`23:39.47`	`zhahak`	`but vista have it aswelll`
`23:40.38`	`foxlit`	`http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/features/details/parentalcontrols.mspx`
`23:40.44`	`amro`	`I like the sound of automator though`
`23:41.03`	`foxlit`	`I haven't actually had a reason to play with that yet`
`23:41.11`	`amro`	`that's something vista desperately needs with its lack of commandline tools`
`23:41.17`	`foxlit`	`Hey`
`23:41.19`	`foxlit`	`PowerShell?`
`23:41.24`	`zhahak`	`ye`
`23:41.28`	`zhahak`	`i say the same`
`23:42.02`	`amro`	`it's not included in default installs`
`23:42.08`	`amro`	`save server 08`
`23:42.09`	`zhahak`	`it will :P`
`23:42.25`	`zhahak`	`or hope it will :P`
`23:42.42`	`foxlit`	`Well, yes, if you're comparing default installs to default installs :)`
`23:43.06`	`zhahak`	`but does not mather what can you do in power shell that you could not do in normal cmd?`
`23:43.06`	`foxlit`	`It's stable and available for free, though, so there isn't any reason not to get it if you need it`
`23:43.41`	`amro`	`there are plenty of free and stable tools that make up for windows's shortcomings but I wouldn't consider them a part of the OS`
`23:43.50`	`amro`	`I'm talking out-of-the-box installs`
`23:43.57`	`foxlit`	`I'd consider them part of the OS if they're made by the same vendor`
`23:44.20`	`zhahak`	`lol ubuntu dont work that way :P`
`23:44.32`	`zhahak`	`or linux generaly`
`23:44.41`	`foxlit`	`It's a "hey, 99% of our target audience will never use this, why bundle?" philosophy that seems to be a complete reverse of what MS usually does`
`23:44.58`	`amro`	`lol`
`23:45.43`	`zhahak`	`no`
`23:46.08`	`amro`	`and powershell is something that should have been around for awhile, funny how MS does things backwards (GUI -> cmdline)`
`23:46.23`	`zhahak`	`ubuntu work like this ppl do what they think is fun to do and if there is somtning that is needed to be done they get paid for doing it`
`23:46.33`	`foxlit`	`It's only backwards if you consider cmdline to be more important :)`
`23:46.36`	`foxlit`	`Which it isn't.`
`23:46.46`	`zhahak`	`it is :P`
`23:46.49`	`zhahak`	`2 vs 1`
`23:47.02`	`zhahak`	`cmd is much easier for power users`
`23:47.17`	`amro`	`it's easier to implement and thus the first incarnation of a utility`
`23:47.17`	`foxlit`	`Power users are a miserable minority who could've kept on working on DOS 2.0`
`23:47.18`	`zhahak`	`if you know what to write it goes hell faster`
`23:47.41`	`amro`	`foxlit: no, but cmdline still offers advantages no gui can match`
`23:48.17`	`foxlit`	`People behind the commercial success of Windows do NOT want to see a command line with bizarre syntax and a truckload of arcane commands.`
`23:48.27`	`zhahak`	`http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm read this`
`23:48.35`	`amro`	`foxlit: I'm talking development wise`
`23:49.00`	`amro`	`it's much easier to make a cmdline tool, then you build the gui on top of it, or better yet on top of the library you built for the cmdline tool`
`23:49.53`	`amro`	`I see what you mean about which is important to windows though`
`23:50.30`	`foxlit`	`The emphasis is really on providing a GUI for the functionality, not the functionality in some abstract form`
`23:51.00`	`zhahak`	`read my link`
`23:51.05`	`zhahak`	`then we can talk`
`23:51.11`	`Kirkburn`	`Adys, ping`
`23:51.17`	`Adys`	`pong`
`23:51.26`	`Kirkburn`	`Where's your priest? :P`
`23:51.35`	`Adys`	`in shattrath!`
`23:51.44`	`foxlit`	`And some of the more advanced shell concepts aren't directly required if you're focusing on providing GUI access to functionality, rather than command line access to functionality.`
`23:51.48`	`Kirkburn`	`Get it over here!`
`23:51.52`	`Adys`	`bleh`
`23:51.57`	`Adys`	`and that quote is awesome`
`23:51.59`	`Adys`	`<malkygoat> i've donated 1000hours of CPU time to SETI`
`23:51.59`	`Adys`	`<ozzmosis> malkygoat: you know in about 20 years time the alien ships will land here on Earth and demand to know why we've been DOSing their alien network 20 light years away with random packets`
`23:52.02`	`foxlit`	`In the end, I believe windows does more advanced scripting through VBScript and various COM modules`
`23:52.03`	`zhahak`	`http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm`
`23:52.16`	`zhahak`	`http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm <-----------------------READ`
`23:52.16`	`piu`	`Kirkburn: the closed link tag appears to be fixed now`
`23:52.27`	`Sky2042`	`lol, adys`
`23:52.31`	`Kirkburn`	`cool`
`23:53.17`	`Kirkburn`	`Ah yes, I have an email about it piu :)`
`23:53.57`	`piu`	`cool, that was a pretty annoying bug for Safari people`
`23:54.00`	`amro`	`foxlit: that advanced scripting is still possible on other platforms. lack of cli tools was a blindspot that ms remedied with powershell`
`23:54.17`	`foxlit`	`zhahak: did you have a point that goes with that?`
`23:54.41`	`zhahak`	`what does you mean?`
`23:54.46`	`zhahak`	`do*`
`23:54.47`	`foxlit`	`Other platforms with a slightly different development philosophy, perhaps?`
`23:54.48`	`zhahak`	`lol`
`23:55.02`	`foxlit`	`Why am I reading that?`
`23:55.06`	`zhahak`	`ye i have`
`23:55.19`	`zhahak`	`but you need to read basicly all`
`23:55.20`	`zhahak`	`:P`
`23:55.55`	`foxlit`	`Suppose I did and continue.`
`23:57.01`	`zhahak`	`Well the pint is that ppl who used windows thinks its the best sulution and user friendly and stuff but well it might not be true`
`23:57.49`	`zhahak`	`point*`
`23:58.20`	`foxlit`	`*people :)`
`23:58.35`	`Sky2042`	`can't work on your english if you don't spell correctly :P`
`23:58.35`	`zhahak`	`ye ppl is short of`
`23:58.43`	`zhahak`	`:D`
`23:58.47`	`zhahak`	`ye true`
`23:58.54`	`foxlit`	`Not in any respectable form of English, it isn't.`
`23:58.58`	`zhahak`	`i only use to write ppl :D`
`23:59.27`	`zhahak`	`Well in the world of wow it is :D`
`23:59.35`	`zhahak`	`in Europe anyway :D`
`23:59.37`	`zhahak`	`^^`
`23:59.47`	`zhahak`	`Tell me when you done`

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