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00:05.39[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 80428 doing ~1.14 job/s, done in aproxx. 19hrs 35mins 50secs.
00:30.19Kaydeethreewhat the holy hell?
00:30.28Kaydeethree80k jobs? what template got changed?
00:31.08pcjQuality, Tooltip
00:34.55Gryphennot like it matters
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00:59.10piuso what's a good way to delete an image I uploaded, but decided not to use
00:59.25pcjtag it with {{sd}}
00:59.35piueasy cheezy
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01:46.10DuTempeteWhat's one of the few things that go well with homework?
01:46.31bleeterbeer
01:46.37DuTempeteding ding!
01:46.59DuTempeteI don't have any prizes for you, though.
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01:50.55Sky2042HI DUTEMPETE AND KIRKBURN
01:51.11DuTempeteumm... hai?
01:51.17Sky2042lol
01:51.20Sky2042hi :P
01:51.44pcjhi :)
01:52.10pcji fixed your mistake dutempete
01:52.38DuTempetewhat was it?
01:52.54pcjyou missed a }}
01:52.58DuTempeteD'oh
01:53.06DuTempeteoh, I bet I know which
01:53.12pcjI bet I do too
01:53.14DuTempeteI deleted a pair at the end, thinking it was a mistake
01:53.40DuTempetenot realizing it was actually the end of the ifeq =P
01:53.53DuTempeteor the switch, depending how you look at it. =P
01:55.17pcjI usually indent it in Notepad before putting it in the wiki
01:55.23DuTempetehehe
01:55.33DuTempeteI just copy/pasted it
01:55.39DuTempetefrom what I put in here.
01:56.10DuTempeteand thought, "hrmm... that's too many brackets!"
02:03.33pcj /pat
02:04.39pcj!jobqueue
02:04.40[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 65804 doing ~1.15 job/s, done in aproxx. 15hrs 53mins 40secs.
02:04.56piu!
02:06.20Sky2042lol piu
02:06.36Sky2042piu: what's wrong with walls of text? :)
02:06.50piuascii lobotomy
02:07.00piuand, attention spans
02:07.51Sky2042lol
02:08.10piuseriously have you met some of the people that play this game?
02:12.07Sky2042yeah
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02:52.04pcj!jobqueue
02:52.05[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 59210 doing ~1.16 job/s, done in aproxx. 14hrs 10mins 43secs.
03:05.47Sky2042!jobqueue
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03:06.04piuwarp speed
03:06.19Sky2042definitely
03:06.36Sky2042lol. it hasn't been an hour since you last hit it up
03:06.47piuso who changed the template that's included in every page on the wiki
03:07.27Sky2042pcj and dutempete. they made it so that tooltips with quality of common would show up in monobook skin
03:08.07DuTempetebwahahaha
03:08.08piuwhite on white, what's wrong with that?
03:08.28DuTempeteactually, it was black on black =P
03:08.53piuoh, can't have that
03:08.55pcjyeah, tooltips on monobook
03:09.04DuTempeteso, how is it that gets into the jobqueue?  It's just a transclusion...
03:09.26piuon 40 bajillion pages
03:09.30pcjWhat's just a transclusion?
03:09.40DuTempeteyay!  The beer is cold, now!
03:13.21Sky2042DuTempete: the wiki has to go through every page that has it and forcibly update the tooltip.
03:13.31Sky2042before, it didn't have a jobqueue.
03:13.35Sky2042we didn't touch tooltip
03:13.38Sky2042XD
03:21.39Sky2042pcj: am i forgetting the onlyincludes or something?: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Atiesh%2C_Greatstaff_of_the_Guardian_%28Warlock%29&action=edit
03:21.48Sky2042i can see onlyincludes, so wtf is going on?
03:22.48Sky2042(it's transcluding incorrectly to [[Atiesh]]
03:26.21pcjwhat?
03:27.38Sky2042grrr
03:27.39pcjwhat are you talking about
03:29.04[NewsBot]BlizzPlanet: WOW TCG: Feast of Winter Veil Collector Set - http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=1677
03:30.28Sky2042nvm
03:31.32Sky2042btw, pcj, our js script for items is sweet. an unintended effect is that it looks for the first transcluded page on a page that doesn't have noincludes and onlyincludes
03:31.54Sky2042so, when hovering over [Atiesh, Greatstaff of the Guardian], we get the quest item
03:32.17pcjnah, it just looks for a certain HTML fragment :P
03:32.30pcjthe first one on the given page
03:32.53Sky2042which is?
03:33.11pcjHmm, say you're looking at [[Atiesh]]
03:33.16pcjHover over that link
03:33.22pcjIt'd show what you said
03:33.32Sky2042doubt it
03:33.36pcjOh, the actual fragment?
03:33.40Sky2042yah
03:34.32pcjAnything that matches the format <div ... class="itemtooltip" ...>...</ul></div>
03:35.15Sky2042ah
03:39.30Sky2042ok, now for repetitive changes time!
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03:56.17Sky2042to wowhead, you dolt
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04:37.13Sky2042hey kirkburn, you here?
04:37.38Kirkburnaye
04:38.24Sky2042apparently watching pages on wikipedia works by js now :o
04:38.39Sky2042hmm
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05:35.14DuTempeteretard
05:35.45Sky2042mah bad
05:36.09DuTempete[[Mage abilities]]
05:36.09[NewsBot]DuTempete meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Mage_abilities
05:36.47DuTempeteOh god no...
05:36.52DuTempetethat's hideous
05:37.05Sky2042to you.
05:37.07DuTempetedon't use the alt colors
05:37.30DuTempetewe'll be getting an hover effect soon, provided Kirkburn takes a look at my CSS.
05:37.50Sky2042hover effect?
05:38.09DuTempete[[User:DuTempete/wowwiki.css]]
05:38.09[NewsBot]DuTempete meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/User:DuTempete/wowwiki.css
05:39.02DuTempetecopy the darktable declarations, and check it out.
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05:42.40Sky2042mmm.... do you approve of http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Warlock_abilities&diff=862400&oldid=862393 ?
05:44.01DuTempeteYes, so much that I changed the tables at the bottom you forgot as well =P
05:44.12DuTempeteWhich now look the same =P
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05:45.19Sky2042check the specific edit silly
05:45.34Sky2042i added <h3>'s at lvl 40, 60, and 70
05:49.10DuTempeteactually, yes, I like that
05:49.22DuTempeteadd one for level1 and level 20, though
05:49.41DuTempeteI like that quite a bit, actually :)
05:49.50Sky2042level 1's at the beginning of the table.
05:49.54Sky2042don't need level 1 :P
05:50.04Sky2042i thought about 20 after the fact though
05:50.14DuTempeteyes, because otherwise we're forced to look at them.
05:50.32DuTempeteand how often do you think anyone is really that concerned about levels 1-20?
05:51.14Sky2042added 20
05:51.27DuTempeteoh, my bad
05:51.31DuTempeteI didn't actually read the link
05:51.41DuTempeteI thought it was "hide" =P
05:51.47Sky2042lol
05:51.57DuTempetegod that would be sweet
05:52.04DuTempetebut "edit" is a good idea, too
05:52.52Sky2042actually, now that you mention it
05:52.55Sky2042that is a good idea
05:53.57Sky2042i'll be right back
06:03.48Sky2042dutempete: almost done
06:04.19DuTempetekks
06:04.28DuTempeteI'll hold off sleep until you're done, then.
06:06.08Sky2042dutempete: http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Sky2042/Sandbox3
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06:06.15Sky2042you totally sparked me into it
06:08.01DuTempetelol
06:08.01Sky2042hmmm
06:08.44DuTempetewaiting for the stupid page to load
06:08.48Sky2042lol
06:10.00DuTempeteI love the function, but it treats the whole thing as one row, thereby fucking up my hover
06:10.09Sky2042lol!
06:10.12Sky2042owned!
06:10.19DuTempetefix it!
06:10.29Sky2042that's how it is. there's no fixing it
06:10.35DuTempete...
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06:11.22DuTempeteHe's studying for an exam, leave him be. =P
06:12.50DuTempetehrmm... it's because you nested the table...
06:13.15DuTempeteI need to sleep, so I wont look at it until later.
06:13.19Sky2042heh
06:13.21Sky2042good night :)
06:13.30Sky2042go ahead and feel free to poke away at it
06:14.07DuTempeteI'm going to see if I can do it from the CSS end, first.
06:14.33DuTempeteBut I can't think of anything atm, although, that may only be because I'm well lubricated by teh beer, atm.
06:15.02DuTempetelater!
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06:42.02Fisker--oh hi
06:42.22elmargolcan someone please suggest an addon for a priest? The life bars (pets) are to tiny :(
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07:10.54bleetergah, some lvl2 priest in IF just told me to check our realm's page...
07:11.57Laurlyhehe
07:12.25bleeterhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Thorium_Brotherhood_US
07:12.29bleetersome gimp vandal
07:12.35bleeterbout time I learned how to report them
07:16.16bleeterthink I did that wrong, nm
07:17.47elmargolnoone?
07:18.19bleeterelmargol: you prolly run a better chance of an answer in #wowi-lounge or #wowace, where mod authors hang out.
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10:49.36Teomyri hate wow
10:49.52Teomyr"omg! a soundfile is teh corrupt! let's crash and kill teomyr!"
10:51.23LaurlyTekkub: hehe
10:54.08Kalrothpoor Teo
10:54.17Teomyr:,-(
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10:56.48KalrothAt least you died an honorable death!
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10:57.34wshey
10:58.08Kasohello there!
10:58.44wshey Kaso
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11:53.16KalrothAdys: Can I add you to the known vandalism page and then Kirkburn will have to block you?
11:53.37AdysI can block Kirkburn I think
11:53.46KalrothDo you think he'd notice?
11:53.52Adysnah
11:53.55Kalrothlol
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12:38.40Kirkburn|afk:O
12:39.21Kalroth:D
12:40.37KalrothAn .ini file? That's so Win3.11
12:40.52AdysServes you right!
12:41.25Adysthat is so old!
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12:44.16pcjwtf... http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=WoWWiki:Sandbox/987654&rcid=781024
12:44.39Kalrothwut?
12:44.46pcjlook at the name
12:44.48Kirkburn|afk>_>
12:44.56Laurlyyou guys what 12?
12:45.04Adysi suck :(
12:45.09Kalrothhahah
12:45.24KalrothSo I'd execute the loop not even once :P
12:46.25KalrothOh wait, no you don't
12:46.33LaurlyLOL Kalroth wins
12:46.46pcjuse fsck imo
12:46.51KalrothI'm not going there, Kirkburn gets so jealous.
12:47.15Adysthat even makes more sense in french
12:47.26AdysTeomyr she's calling for you
12:50.06pcj~wwstats
12:50.06infoboti heard wwstats is http://www.bxd.dk/irc/wowwiki.html
12:50.43RagowitLaurly, where's your bot?
12:50.56Kirkburn|afkBagginsww, this is seriously impressive - http://www.wowwiki.com/Durotan
12:50.56Laurlyhideing.
12:51.06RagowitThought so
12:51.14Kirkburn|afkJohnmaul rewrote the entire article :)
12:51.19Kirkburn|afk*Joshmaul
12:51.27Laurlyshes a bit depressed everyone complains about something she does....
12:51.40Kalrothawww
12:51.41Ragowit:/
12:51.43pcji like what she does :)
12:52.11Laurlyskys having transclude pages issues that eirik guy still has page nameing issues
12:52.37pcjand Kirkburn's just having issues
12:52.45Laurlyyeah but thats normal
12:53.20wsI'm just reading http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:DNP
12:53.29wsand it says something about "Datamined/unreleased content"
12:53.51wsbut it's about recovering images from files
12:54.03wsI'm a data miner by profession, it's a much broader term
12:54.28wsand mods that collect statistics are also in fact used for data mining
12:54.35wslike, collecting arena stats, etc.
12:54.56Adysws: take it as in "anything against the tos/eula"
12:55.10Adysanyhow, be back soon
12:55.11LaurlyAdys is either insane or just a fair op, kicking a total of 135 people!  impresive thats up from last time
12:55.32wsyup, I'm only arguing about the use of the term "data mining" here, lol
12:55.39Adys|sleepbbl!
12:55.46wsnot even arguing, just saying my two cents
12:55.50wssee you Adys
13:02.25dreamsswhats a good spot for elemental water
13:03.37pcjlakes of nagrand
13:10.55huraxanyone knows the template for "this section needs check for update" or similar?
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13:11.25pcj{{Stub/Accuracy}}
13:11.26[NewsBot]pcj meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Stub/Accuracy
13:12.00pcjAlso {{Outdated}}
13:12.06huraxthanks
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13:18.16PolarinaFisker-- is danish!
13:18.46Kalrotho rly?
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14:18.46DottedPolarina vi er nu mange
14:19.38PolarinaDotted: :)
14:20.44Dotted7 danskere i alt
14:20.53Dottedi hvert fald ifølge hostname :p
14:20.59PolarinaSo many?
14:21.03Dottedidd
14:21.13Dottedyou danish aswell?
14:21.18PolarinaIcelandic.
14:21.25Dottedah
14:21.46Dottedbeen there twice
14:22.17Polarina:)
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14:31.04Polarina!jobqueue
14:31.05[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 3
14:31.07PolarinaOdd.
14:31.39Polarina!jobqueue
14:31.41[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 3
14:31.43pcjit's accurate :P
14:31.43pcj{{Stubslist}}
14:31.44[NewsBot]pcj meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Stubslist
14:31.46pcjoops
14:31.51pcjhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Statistics
14:34.33Dottedpcj when the data is odd it wont calculate ETA
14:35.17Dottedlike if the old jobqueue number is lower than the new
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14:50.02[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 1
14:50.08Dottedslowwiki
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16:06.11Dotted!jobqueue
16:06.13[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 1
16:06.23Dottedslooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowwiki
16:08.11Olisonhow does the jobqueue work?
16:08.22Olisonor better, what is it?
16:08.46pcjhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Job_queue
16:09.07Olisonthanks :)
16:18.33Gryphenjobqueue doesnt make slowwiki
16:20.06Amberrocklohi
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16:28.38DottedGryphen having 1 job in jobqueue for over 1 hour is slowwiki
16:28.48pcjit might not be the same job :P
16:29.02Dottedbut i like to think it is
16:29.07Gryphenits not slow for me
16:29.14Dottedsigh Gryphen
16:29.30Dottednot talking about the wiki you view in the browser
16:29.59pcjthe wiki in our hearts and minds?
16:30.07Dottedyes
16:30.45Fisker-i hate Dotted
16:30.51pcjduh
16:30.57Dottedfuck you too
16:31.01pcjhawt
16:31.02Fisker-no u
16:31.09Dotted*rawr*
16:35.10Laurlyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thtmaZnxk_0
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16:59.46pcjindeed
17:07.18Kirkburn|afkGryphen, now *you're* making them all inconsistent ><
17:07.43Gryphen?
17:07.49Kirkburn|afkThe nav templates
17:07.56Kirkburn|afkI spent two days making them all consistent with the hr
17:08.24Grypheni didnt see your time log
17:08.40LaurlyKirkburn|afk Gryphen can i have your opinion on transcluded npc pages?  sky has a problem with them
17:08.43Kirkburn|afk??
17:08.57Laurlybefore i run the bot i want to be srue i dont get msgs on my user page.
17:09.12Kirkburn|afkWhat does my time log have to do with it? Didn't you notice that on every one the last edit was converting them to the design?
17:09.28Laurlynaughty msgs are fine :)
17:09.42Gryphenyes, but the design was tabled
17:10.02Grypheni dont see the necessity of the hr
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17:10.17Gryphenit is ugly and waste of space
17:10.24Gryphenthe headers are section enough
17:10.26Kirkburn|afkOn IE, yes ><
17:10.35Kirkburn|afkIf you are going to make that change, make sure it's done to every table at least
17:10.47Gryphenwhere else is it used?
17:10.59Kirkburn|afkEvery nav box of that type pretty much
17:11.10Gryphenwhy should it be ugly for ie?
17:11.10Kirkburn|afkNav templates category should have them all
17:11.28Kirkburn|afkOn FF the hr takes up about 5 px height, whereas IE is like triple that
17:11.47Gryphenwhy use it then?
17:11.59Gryphenwhy use it at all?
17:12.03Kirkburn|afkI designed it on FF, and it looked okay then (didn't have access to IE in the US)
17:12.20Kirkburn|afkWhen first design all the headers were the same colour iirc
17:12.49Kirkburn|afk(Now that they ain't, I'll concede it's a fair change)
17:12.54Fisker-hi Kirkburn|afk :)
17:13.52Kirkburn|afkHullo
17:14.03Kirkburn|afkLaurly, not sure what you mean, example?
17:14.17Kirkburn|afkGryphen, reason I noticed is that every template you're changing is on my watchlist now :P
17:14.20Laurlyhttp://www.wowwiki.com/User:Laurlybot/Sandbox/npc
17:14.36Laurlyhttp://www.wowwiki.com/User:Laurlybot/Sandbox/npc/NPCs_Sells
17:14.42Laurlyhttp://www.wowwiki.com/User:Laurlybot/Sandbox/npc/NPCs_Drops
17:14.45Laurlyhttp://www.wowwiki.com/User:Laurlybot/Sandbox/npc/NPCs_Quests
17:14.56Laurlyhttp://www.wowwiki.com/User:Laurlybot/Sandbox/npc/NPCs_Gather
17:15.30Laurlysky has a problem with all those extra pages he thinks we should just dump the data in the main page.
17:15.46Kirkburn|afkIf it makes it easier to update the tables, I say it's better
17:15.48Laurlyi like them in sub pages becouse if we ever want to regenrate them makes it easer to keep the bot from colbering them
17:15.59Gryphenwell i dont believe it to be a neccessary element, there is nothing that says how long you spent working on them
17:16.09Grypheni will update the other templates
17:16.10Kirkburn|afkGryphen, I thought you were around at the time :P
17:16.39Kirkburn|afkWeekend before last, I spent like a 24 hours period redoing every nav template on the wiki >_<
17:16.41Grypheni never saw anything about it, either afk or not paying attention
17:16.41Bibidamn, ChatProfanity.dbc is always a good laugh
17:16.51BibiI just realized that you're not allowed to use "pikajew" when it's on.
17:17.10Kirkburn|afkGryphen, sorry for coming off harshly, I was just ... er .. surprised at my watchlist log
17:17.31Bibiteasucker isn't in the profanity filter tho.
17:17.37Bibisorry Kirkburn :(
17:18.09Kirkburn|afkLaurly, if the pages are only going edited to be bot edits (which seems a fair assumption), I think that it's okay
17:18.31Fisker-sup Bibi
17:18.34Laurlyso ignore sky and run the bot is ok :)
17:18.52Laurlyi just need to fix the quest pages and finish trying to remove world drops from the drops page then i can run it.
17:19.01Kirkburn|afkI would prefer not to be the only one makign the choice ... has it been discussed on wiki?
17:19.28Laurlyi was thinking about making a good test page showing everything then puting it on village pump before i run the bot.
17:19.45Kirkburn|afk(btw, in the future we may have a new setup whereby half the page is editable, half isn't - with the latter being only bot editable)
17:19.49Laurlypcj loves the bot sky isnt happy thats all i have heard so far
17:20.38Kirkburn|afkWell, it's probably from worry that it'll be started, then could become neglected ... you're not going anywhere, are you? :)
17:20.55Laurlynopes
17:21.09Laurlyonce the bot is stable pcj wants a copy so he can run it
17:21.27Laurlyalthough with the size of its db i dont think that would work
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17:35.01pcj:(
17:36.56Dotted!jobqueue
17:36.57[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 1221
17:37.40Dotted!jobqueue
17:37.42[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 1185
17:37.46Dotted=O
17:37.47Gryphen-.-
17:38.01Dottedwheres the ETA stuff ;(
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17:50.24Kirkburn|afkI'm looking at a press release atm :P
17:51.31KalrothDoes it feature boobies?
17:52.27Dottedwhere the hell did the eta part of my jobqueue script go?
17:52.31DottedI NEED ANSWERS
17:59.22Dotted!jobqueue
17:59.23[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 83 doing ~0.7 job/s, done in aproxx. 1min 58secs.
17:59.28Dottedhurrah
18:02.30Polarina!jobqueue
18:02.32[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 2
18:02.45Polarina!jobqueue
18:02.46[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 2
18:02.52PolarinaThat thing is stuck.
18:03.03Dottednot my fault :p
18:03.22Dottedhmm
18:03.25PolarinaDotted: Have that bot do  /nick [StuckBot]
18:03.43DottedTry stuck wiki perhaps?
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18:04.22Dottedthe jobqueue has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the bot Polarina
18:04.38PolarinaOk..
18:04.44Polarina!jobqueue
18:04.45[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 2
18:04.49Dotted(for the second time) :( - i dont like to repeat myelf
18:04.51Dotted*myself
18:04.52Kalrothlol
18:05.05KalrothDotted: That thing is stuck!
18:05.11DottedKirkburn
18:05.13Dottedhalp
18:07.28Dotted!jobqueue
18:07.30[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 2 doing ~ job/s, done in aproxx. 0secs.
18:07.34Dottedlol
18:08.15PolarinaDo we have a lua bot someone wants to get rid of?
18:08.59Dottedtones of lua bots in here, its almost scary
18:09.07PolarinaHow do I use one? :)
18:09.11DottedFisker- is our toll bot, coded in lua
18:09.15Dotted*troll
18:09.34PolarinaNo. I mean bots that can execute lua code. :)
18:09.42DottedPolarina dunno ask Kaso or someone :p
18:09.56PolarinaKaso: Scroll up and answer.
18:10.09Dottedarent you demanding :o
18:10.16ThraeIf you want a bot that executes Lua, then go to #wowi-lounge or #cladbot.
18:10.16Polarina:P
18:10.25Fisker-i am the best troll bot
18:10.30Polarinacladbot is immune to my evilness.
18:11.01DottedFisker- is such a sophisticated that he have reproduced :O
18:11.07Dotted+bot
18:11.15Polarina>>> _G
18:11.18Polarinalua> _G
18:11.20PolarinaNone. :(
18:11.48Dottedwe have no reason to run such a bot tho
18:12.19PolarinaI want them to suffer.
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18:12.37Dottedwhy? its not funy
18:12.41Dotted*funny
18:12.52Polarina:(
18:13.27Kirkburn(btw, about the site press release, I'm talking about a WoWWiki press release)
18:13.39Fisker-:?D
18:13.52KalrothKirkburn: Stop teasing already :(
18:13.56Kirkburnlol
18:14.00Kalroth~wedgie Kirkburn
18:14.00infobotACTION hangs Kirkburn from the flag pole by his underwear
18:15.05DottedWOWWIKI SOLD TO AFFINITY MEDIA
18:15.13Dottedtrust me, i got sources
18:15.44ThraeDotted: Your sources are zeeg, aren't they :D
18:15.50Dottedno
18:15.53KirkburnNo, absolutely nothing like that :)
18:16.15zeegi dont lie
18:16.17zeegbut i didnt say that :)
18:16.29DottedOMG ZEEG TALKS
18:16.29KirkburnIt's not going to be news to any of you, though you might have fun reading it
18:16.43Dottedwhen will it be released anyway?
18:16.52Kirkburndunno
18:16.57Dotted>_>
18:17.02zeegwhats goin on
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18:18.03KirkburnOoh, have people got their Warhammer beta keys?
18:18.38Fisker-don't want
18:18.50Dottedah the lets fuck the europeans-becuase-they-like-it-in-the-ass competition?
18:19.06KirkburnBlame Mythic, not me :(
18:19.11KirkburnI would have wanted a key too!
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18:20.32DuTempeteSup, yo.
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18:21.31pcjhi DuTempete :)
18:21.40pcjstill haven't received that e-mail :P
18:21.56Sky2042!jobqueue
18:21.58[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 1 doing ~1 job/s, done in aproxx. 1sec.
18:22.04Sky2042woohoo
18:22.04pcj*approx.
18:22.05DuTempetesweet
18:22.29DuTempeteno, pcj, you haven't
18:22.43Dottedposkes win word
18:22.44Sky2042dotted: lrn2speel
18:22.45DuTempeteI'm slammed with homework, as I didn't have time to do any of it over the weekend.
18:22.53DottedSky2042 too slow
18:24.09Bagginswwsky
18:24.11Dottedlol snak
18:24.12Bagginswwyou on?
18:24.34BagginswwWhat do you think of moving the made up battle name pages to their chapter name instead?
18:24.35Fisker-snak?
18:25.10Sky2042bagginsww: i actually like the fake names. redirects from chapter names, at least
18:25.16Sky2042if not total moves
18:25.27BagginswwI mean total moves
18:25.32Sky2042i know
18:25.58Bagginswwwell I mean ultimatley we would have had pages for each of the chapters
18:26.13Sky2042see what he responds with first
18:26.29Sky2042he's the one who's primarily been adding them
18:27.19BagginswwI've seen two different people add them
18:27.23BagginswwGorganzo or something
18:27.26Bagginswwon other pages
18:27.36Sky2042yeah, but wait anyway
18:27.41Bagginswwbut did you notice he wants to lieave the citaiton of the chapter out of the article?
18:28.08Sky2042again, if we move it, it won't matter :P
18:28.11Bagginswwya
18:28.22Bagginswwwe don't have to cite it if its moved
18:28.33Bagginswwexcept to say chapter number
18:29.28Sky2042kirkburn, i have an account that i'd like tagged as bots. it's semi automated, but it does spam RC a bit. oh, and bug your cohorts at wiki to get query.php installed
18:29.32Sky2042as a bot*
18:30.57DottedFisker- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snak
18:31.36Dottedmy changes first, query.php can wait tbh :(
18:32.09Sky2042http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AutomatedWikiBrowser
18:32.20Sky2042that's what i'm using, and it needs query.php
18:32.24Sky2042:P
18:33.21DottedWikipedia does not have a project page with this exact name.
18:33.23Dottedkek
18:33.23Sky2042ok, that link was ph4ail
18:33.32Dottedagain?
18:33.36Sky2042http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser
18:33.42Sky2042bah@automated
18:34.05Dottedhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:AWB
18:34.11Dottedlern2wiki
18:34.17Sky2042eh
18:34.44Sky2042the only thing (I think this is because query.php isn't on the server) it can do right now is pull a list from Special:Contributions
18:34.49Sky2042:|
18:35.00Sky2042which doesn't do much for me. heh
18:35.53KirkburnI will look out for Tor
18:36.19Bibihttp://www.i-marco.nl/weblog/archive/2006/06/24/time_breakdown_of_modern_web_d
18:36.24KirkburnGryphen, why is IE7 so crap at dealing with large pages or JS :<
18:36.35Gryphen?
18:36.39pcjIE7 is crap, period
18:36.44Gryphenff is crap
18:36.44Sky2042truth
18:36.52Sky2042notrly
18:36.53KirkburnI like it, but it can be frustrating scrolling sometimes
18:37.05Gryphenthat is what i told you about before
18:37.07KirkburnAnyway, no, I didn't want to start a browser war
18:37.15Gryphenit only started happening since much of the css changes
18:37.21KirkburnSky2042, Kirkburn does want it
18:37.29Sky2042it's under Skyfire
18:37.35KirkburnCSS changes really shouldn't have an effect
18:37.41Dottedhttp://www.wowwiki.com/User:Dotted/wowwiki.js wins
18:37.50Grypheni can make it slow by css changes
18:37.51Sky2042dotted: does it work though?
18:37.59DuTempeteshit, you still have to use HTML formatting int ables, for stinkin IE.
18:38.02DuTempeteThat's BS.
18:38.03Grypheni know of a method that will do it
18:38.32Sky2042oh, and your first line phails Dotted
18:38.40DottedSky2042 works fine
18:38.44Sky2042srsly?
18:39.56Sky2042botman and robin?
18:40.16KirkburnHTML formatting in tables?
18:40.26KirkburnSky2042, I wasn't feeling ingenious
18:40.29Sky2042lol
18:40.51Sky2042dotted: that script only works in monobook
18:40.53Sky2042:o
18:40.56Dottedhttp://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sky2042istheunsexxu0.png
18:41.23Sky2042now why didn't mine look like that :|
18:41.32DuTempeteKirk, cellpadding, cellspacing, and border are still necessary in at lest IE6
18:41.39DuTempetes/lest/least
18:41.52Sky2042oh
18:41.57Sky2042i see i see
18:42.03DuTempeteok, seriously, does someone have the bot set to ignore me, or what?!
18:42.09Dottedlern2delete cache Sky2042
18:42.13pcj!unignore DuTempete
18:42.24Sky2042nah, i had to click the link on the top right. you can switch back and forth, you know
18:42.26Sky2042:]
18:42.35Dottednub
18:42.52KirkburnDuTempete, not sure about padding and spacing, but yeah, there's def some problems with IE's box model
18:43.05KirkburnIE7 would have fixed it, but for that fatc it'd break websites o'er the world
18:43.17DuTempeteOn all the tables I worked on, I couldn't get padding to work, and spacing should be deprecated.
18:43.39KirkburnIE8 will have an opt-in system for compatability
18:43.41DuTempetespacing is replaced by padding in the parent element
18:44.26KirkburnIt is? Padding only does the space between the cell block and border, irrc, whereas cellspacing is the spacing between every cell
18:44.37Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Lore_section_in_the_class_pages
18:45.18KirkburnPadding being two different thins in my sentence, sigh >_<
18:45.39Sky2042thanks for caling me out baggins :P
18:45.43DuTempeteI'm pertty sure that's what W3C has, Kirk
18:46.13DuTempeteThat would be why it's not called cellpadding, anymore.
18:46.15pcj*sigh* http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_table.asp
18:46.37pcjnot deprecated
18:46.44DuTempetethat's html, dipshit
18:46.50Kirkburn:O
18:47.08DuTempeteit still works, sure, it's not officially deprecated because people still use browsers that require it
18:47.16KirkburnAye, but I don't know of a proper way of doing cellspaincg/cellpadding with CSS
18:47.20DuTempeteso mebbe I'm a head of myself, but it needs to go away, regardless. =P
18:47.28KirkburnOh certainly
18:47.40KirkburnI have no idea why those two are hanging around
18:47.49DuTempetepadding works fine in FF
18:48.00DuTempeteAnd probably mac
18:48.02Kirkburncellpadding and padding not quite the same
18:48.07Gryphenlol zeal edit :o
18:48.08DuTempeteoh?
18:48.18Kirkburncellpadding is the padding in each cell in the table
18:48.33Gryphenpadding works fine in ie...
18:48.36Kirkburntable style padding is the padding between the whole cell block and the overall border
18:48.44KirkburnGryphen, not true :(
18:48.50DuTempeteno, Gryph, it doesn't
18:48.53BagginswwSky I called out allt he major players in the discussion
18:48.54KirkburnRemember how the navboxes look different in FF?
18:49.00Sky2042oh, i know baggins :P
18:49.28KirkburnThere's supposed to be 5px padding beween the border and content, but IE ignores it, doing the default padding of 2px I think
18:49.45pcjhttp://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/dtds.html#a_dtd_XHTML-1.0-Strict
18:49.47Sky2042oh, lol, only works in firefox. XD
18:49.52pcj<!ATTLIST table
18:49.53pcj...
18:49.57KirkburnLooks fine, but weird when switching between the two
18:49.57DuTempeteKirk: http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_padding.asp
18:49.57pcjcellspacing %Length;       #IMPLIED
18:49.57pcj<PROTECTED>
18:49.58Sky2042guess it wont work on Skyfire
18:50.03pcjnot deprecated :P
18:50.28DuTempeteso, I'm thinking that means that what it does depends on where you put it.
18:50.42KirkburnNot deprecated, but not replaced, annoyingly ><
18:50.47Grypheni know it can be done..
18:50.55KirkburnDuTempete, aye, cellpadding and CSS padding do quite different things
18:51.17DuTempeteWell, if you put it in the cell params, it's the same
18:52.01DuTempetehere we go: http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_table.asp
18:52.14DuTempeteIt should be "border-spacing" instead of cell spacing
18:52.33DuTempeteAnd you need to declare borders as separate before you use it
18:53.06Bagginswwvhttp://www.wowwiki.com/What_Wrath_of_the_Lich_King_is_NOT
18:53.08KirkburnAha, yes
18:53.17Bagginswwhad to add hobbits :)
18:53.30KirkburnI guess that overrides cellspacing
18:53.33KirkburnBagginsww, lol
18:53.51Bagginswwheh heh
18:54.07DuTempetebut border-spacing doesn't work in IE6, as far as I can tell
18:54.09BagginswwI could say, The Race of Man, too LOL
18:54.18BagginswwLOTR version of Humans
18:54.22Sky2042make sure you link to our name bagginsww: [[User:Baggins|Hobbits]] :D
18:54.24KirkburnAnyhoo, I thin most browsers default to cellpadding=2 cellspacing=1 so if we don't define it, it should be constant at least
18:54.45Dotted!jobqueue
18:54.46[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 4 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 4secs.
18:54.53KirkburnSky2042, are you an alter ego or something?
18:55.02Sky2042hmm?
18:55.09Polarina!jobqueue
18:55.10Sky2042lol!
18:55.10[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 4 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 4secs.
18:55.14Sky2042you*
18:55.17Sky2042your*
18:55.18Kirkburn:)
18:55.30DuTempeteNo way, they wouldn't be on at the same time, if that were true. =P
18:55.36KirkburnThe thought occurs - perhaps the jobqueue doesn't update quite that often?
18:55.45Sky2042it was last night
18:55.51DottedKirkburn 1 is a default number
18:55.59Sky2042i blame baggins
18:56.03Sky2042:P
18:56.07KirkburnDotted, orly? Since when?
18:56.08Dottednormally its calculated
18:56.25DottedKirkburn since i coded it a few minutes ago
18:56.33KirkburnI seee
18:57.18Bagginswwlinked
18:57.21Dottedmake an edit that cause a huge jobqueue, it will calculate the jobs per second
18:57.31Gryphenooooh aaahhh
18:57.59Dottedjust inconsistant if the ETA stuff wasnt there all the time
18:59.34KirkburnBibi, the first comment was "Well, IE is just one of Microsoft’s biggest failures" ... riiiight
19:02.12pcj{{sd}}!!! http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User:Toronto_Escort_Service&rcid=781662
19:02.44DottedKirkburn well yes and no :p
19:03.03Sky2042wtf
19:03.07Sky2042zeal just edited
19:03.32pcj!jobqueue
19:03.33[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 1 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 1sec.
19:04.00Gryphen[11:48:26] <Gryphen> lol zeal edit :o
19:04.22Sky2042oh shut up :P
19:04.25Polarina!jobqueue
19:04.27[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 1 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 1sec.
19:04.29Gryphen[11:48:26] <Gryphen> lol zeal edit :o
19:04.45Polarina!jobqueue
19:04.47[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 1 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 1sec.
19:05.08Sky2042whoa
19:05.10pcj<Gryphen> [11:48:26] <Gryphen> lol zeal edit :o
19:05.11Sky2042deja vu
19:05.13KirkburnZeal edited?!?
19:05.19Sky2042twice
19:05.26DottedPolarina are you obsessed with having to repeat the !jobqueue command after someone have done it?
19:05.45Sky2042kirkburn: http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Zeal
19:06.11PolarinaDottted: Wanted to check that that response of Gryphen was made by a bot.
19:06.16Kirkburno_O
19:06.50GryphenDotted, Polarina not much different than yourself..
19:06.55Gryphenharz
19:06.58KirkburnPity that one of those edits confuses the hell out of me
19:07.05Sky2042same
19:07.08DottedPolarina how the hell can you do that with the job queue command?
19:07.19Gryphenum easy
19:07.20Sky2042he might have some custom scripts, but i don't think they've ever had issues on wikipedia
19:07.21KirkburnIt's broken is IE7? News to me ...
19:07.54DottedGryphen well my spam have a purpose
19:08.41Gryphenif knowing the jobqueue had much purpose :p
19:08.51KirkburnLessee if Zeal is on messenger
19:09.49DottedKirkburn gief bot
19:10.15Bagginswwwell, gb everyone, I'm off to classes
19:10.32Dottedi should make [NewsBot] say Kirkburn gief bot every 3 hours
19:10.43Dottedim srsly considdering it
19:10.48pcjKirkburn should ban your bot
19:11.07Dottedpcj you should cry less
19:11.28KeolahI should stop reading this channel.
19:11.42pcjhi keolah :)
19:12.02Dottedsince when have there been anything interesting to read in here ;)?
19:12.13KeolahHi. ;p
19:12.38KeolahI dunno about interesting, but it's something to do while waiting to land. ;p
19:13.52DottedTheme Hospital the mother of all time killer games
19:15.39KeolahI was having this bizarre dream last night where I was beset upon by a bunch of people I knew in high school who were all going "Hey, we play WoW too! Make a guild about creamy chocolate!" and then they failed at driving a schoolbus and accidentally ran over a magic circle.
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19:16.08[NoFear]Icarus_RHi Guys
19:16.24[NoFear]Icarus_Rsomeone can help me about mod scripting?
19:16.39Dottedwrooooooooooooooooong channel
19:16.44[NoFear]Icarus_Rd'oh!
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19:17.28Kirkburn"Toronto Escort Service"? We get soem weird accounts sometimes ...
19:17.43Kalrothlol
19:17.47KirkburnDotted, er, that wasn't helpful
19:18.46Dottedi promise to be more helpful if you make my bot work =)
19:19.27pcjhe'll make you're bot work if you're more helpful
19:19.31pcjyour*
19:19.53Dottedthats too bad
19:20.26KirkburnExtra column on http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:War ?
19:21.41Sky2042kirkburn: mmm?
19:22.08KirkburnThere seems to be an extra column on that table (shows on IE, anyway)
19:22.24Sky2042nah, i see it on ff too. i don't know what edit i made causes that
19:22.30Sky2042it's on template:battle, also
19:22.34Sky2042{{Battle}}
19:22.35[NewsBot]Sky2042 meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Battle
19:24.10KirkburnLol, fixed page for zeal
19:24.31Sky2042lol
19:24.39KirkburnAnd pointedly ... only Zeal :)
19:24.47Gryphenlol
19:25.18KirkburnI would never have guessed that was it
19:25.27Gryphennice catch
19:25.39AFKDuTempeteHrmm... why does Zeal get pages fixed merely on account of being Zeal? =P
19:25.49KirkburnZeal suddenly thought he might have tested something on his CSS before it was active
19:26.08KirkburnI had a check and, lo, User:Zeal/wowwiki.css had massive margin-left stuff
19:26.17AFKDuTempetelol
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19:26.21AFKDuTempetesilly Zeal
19:26.48Kirkburn:)
19:27.00KirkburnYou're post-zeal, no?
19:27.12AFKDuTempeteI'm ever zealous...
19:27.17Kirkburnhaha
19:27.28pcjlol
19:27.47KirkburnZealous was a good word to describe him - cool guy, great coder, 'passionate'
19:27.48AFKDuTempeteWell, about specific things, anyway...
19:28.04KirkburnNowhere near the levels of Silverside though
19:28.25KirkburnSilverSide ... is legendary
19:28.37AFKDuTempeteYes, I've chosen my name for similar reasons as Zeal's. =P
19:28.57AFKDuTempeteYou never see the gale coming...
19:29.20Kirkburn:O
19:29.43AFKDuTempeteBy the time you do, it's overtaken you...
19:30.01pcjlaurly is your bot still using {{CSS Darktable}}
19:30.06Kirkburnomfg
19:30.11AFKDuTempeteNo, she fixed that
19:30.45AFKDuTempeteI harangued her a couple times about that.
19:32.11KirkburnOne day I shall have to make a page all about SilverSide ... I barely experienced him personally, but .. you never forget it
19:32.23Gryphen-.-
19:32.30AFKDuTempetelol
19:32.37AFKDuTempeteSo, he doesn't participate anymore?
19:32.55KirkburnNot since about Jan 4th 2006
19:33.11pcjdoes foxbot still use {{CSS Darktable}}
19:33.21Gryphendont think so
19:33.27KirkburnBut for about the 3 weeks previous he was some godlike powerhouse of edits
19:33.51AFKDuTempetelol
19:33.54Sky2042silverside looked... special
19:34.05KirkburnThe community teams and portal were his, as was the village pump, as well as some seriously seriously f'ed up navigation stuff
19:34.07Grypheni dont miss him
19:34.31Dottedhttp://skippy.net/images/roflcopter.gif
19:34.41KirkburnOne of his MP designs had something like 25 sub[ages
19:35.06AFKDuTempeteOhhhh, that's scary...
19:35.40KirkburnYou're telling me!
19:35.46AFKDuTempetenot the MP
19:35.49AFKDuTempetethe link
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19:35.56Kirkburn:(
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19:36.12AFKDuTempeteBut I'll say that's scary for you, if you like, Sugar.
19:36.13KirkburnMikk and me had quite an experience deleting his stuff
19:36.22KirkburnOoh, I think our stamp logo was also his
19:36.28AFKDuTempeteAnything for you.
19:36.45KirkburnHe tried to take back copyright of it though, to whichw e said "er, no"
19:38.42Dotted:D
19:38.58AFKDuTempetelmao
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19:52.35Intangirhello
19:52.50AFKDuTempetehowdy
19:53.36Intangirwhats up
19:53.49KirkburnEverything
19:53.56AFKDuTempeteEverything?!
19:54.13KirkburnEverything!
19:54.25KirkburnAnd now I'm restarting, bbiab
19:56.55Intangiris this the hell kitty island adventure channel?
19:57.23InfernalHamsterNo, it's the Infernal Hamster adventure channel.
19:57.54InfernalHamsterI think the hell kitties are down the hall.
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19:59.12Helenacrap
19:59.15Helenasomebody has this nick
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20:30.18[NewsBot]GamePolitics: Schwarzenegger Appeals CA Game Law As Industry Seeks Legal Fees - http://gamepolitics.com/2007/09/05/schwarzenegger-appeals-ca-game-law-as-industry-seeks-320k-legal-fees/
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20:38.09dreamssthere no screenshots of the lvl 70 flying lock mount?
20:39.04InfernalHamsterthe what?
20:44.12ggilbertThere is no level 70 warlock mount
20:44.37InfernalHamsterYeah, I'm trying to figure that one out, myself, ggilbert.
20:44.53InfernalHamsterSounds like a cruel joke, to me.
20:45.19Adysim still into it
20:45.23InfernalHamstermy what?!
20:46.03InfernalHamsterWhat, exactly, is in this folder, Adys? Hrmm?
20:46.17AdysNot MY folder :(
20:46.24Adys~wwquotes
20:46.25infobothttp://teo.selfip.net/wowwiki-quotes.html
20:49.30InfernalHamsterjesus christ, Adys. =P
20:49.37Adyshaha
20:50.03InfernalHamsterThat's scary.
20:50.36KirkburnAll because I tweaked him ><
20:50.50Adyslearn to configure me correctly!
20:50.56InfernalHamsterAnd your while loop should have been while(Kalroth) =P
20:51.11InfernalHamsterWell, we all know people do some crazy things when you tweak them, Kirkburn...
20:51.16Kalroth:(
20:51.19Kirkburnwahey!
20:51.42AdysI never got the principle of while loops
20:51.59Adysbut couldnt fuck Kalroth up easily with a simple if loop :(
20:52.05InfernalHamsterhehehe
20:52.06Kalrothhahah
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20:52.52InfernalHamsteryou were trying to write a for loop, not an if loop.  That's the problem. =P
20:53.00LaurlySky2042 if you keep sding all the npc pages your going to have a lot of work when it runs :)
20:53.31Sky2042why again, can't you not do that?
20:53.32InfernalHamsterSilly Adys.
20:53.49Laurlybecouse in the end it will make life easer for the bot to reupdate the pages.
20:54.00AdysI know, i suck
20:54.18Adysaww thankyou
20:54.31InfernalHamsterThat doesn't mean I approve of your coding skills, though.
20:54.50Adyseven I dont approve of them
20:54.51Adysthats ok
20:54.52LaurlySky2042 we could have the bot run once a month to keep those pages update with latest data. if you include it in the npc page you cant be 100% sure the bot wont clober stuff
20:54.55InfernalHamsterheeh
20:56.20InfernalHamsterthe mother broom? =P
20:56.28Adyslmao
20:56.29InfernalHamsteror... mother bar?
20:56.36InfernalHamsteroh, no
20:56.39InfernalHamstermaster bedroom!
20:56.59InfernalHamsterWhat's in your bedroom, Kalroth? =P
20:57.13Adyscant run vista baby!
20:57.14KalrothInfernalHamster: Me, if you sweettalk me!
20:57.18pcjmaster boot record...
20:57.26Adys+100
20:57.43InfernalHamsterKalroth, your hand appears to be the better sweettalker, and I'm sure to see it stay that way.
20:57.44KalrothOh, it's you, I had hoped it be a man!
20:57.54Sky2042hey kirkburn: would you mind if I changed the welcome message to automatically collapse? it's protected, which is why i'm asking
20:58.02KalrothChanging nicks trying to hide from me, eh?!
20:58.19InfernalHamsterI'm so confused.
20:59.29Kalrothspin spin sugar!
20:59.29Kalroth(It's the title of a song, don't google!)
20:59.29DuTempeteAnd no calling me Sugar.
20:59.29KalrothSee, I knew that was coming
20:59.29Kalrothhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjBwe6IL10o !
20:59.36Adysim already watching!
20:59.58KalrothThe clubmix is better, but I don't think I got it around anymore
21:00.03DuTempetelol
21:00.07DuTempeteanyway...
21:00.10DuTempeteI'm off to school.
21:00.18DuTempeteSee you guys in 4 hours.
21:00.23KalrothDuTempete: Remember to take notes!
21:00.23Adyssee ya!
21:00.40AFKDuTempeteAnd Kalroth...
21:00.52KalrothAdys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-Hq4U39ffo here it is!
21:00.56AFKDuTempeteKeep your hands off my admin. =P
21:01.10Adyswoo im your admin now
21:01.14KalrothAFKDuTempete: Go to school so I can get some quality time with him!
21:01.19AFKDuTempeteOk... my adminS.
21:01.24*** kick/#wowwiki [AFKDuTempete!n=Adys@APoitiers-257-1-134-148.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr] by Adys (Adys)
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21:01.27Kalrothlol
21:01.31KalrothWho's the other admin?!
21:01.36*** kick/#wowwiki [Kirkburn!n=Adys@APoitiers-257-1-134-148.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr] by Adys (Adys)
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21:01.43KalrothAha, should have known
21:01.46KalrothBad Kirk, bad.
21:01.57pcj:(
21:02.03AFKDuTempeteHey, Adys.  You should be booting yourself.  Kirkburn was my admin, first.
21:02.21Adysblah blah
21:02.45AdysKalroth: My real life linux installation on your version of vista didn't work?!
21:02.51AFKDuTempeteYou know, since he's being a smartass.  You can have Adys, Kalroth.
21:02.54KalrothAdys: Nuh uh
21:03.00KalrothAFKDuTempete: But I want Kirky :(
21:03.05AFKDuTempeteNope.  Mine.
21:03.11Kalroth><
21:03.17Adysyou dont want him
21:03.50Kalrothlol
21:04.06Adyshttp://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormrage&n=Lunedor
21:04.22KalrothHe's a nelf? :((
21:04.25Adysno sense at all
21:04.43Adysspelldamage enchants and rings
21:04.52Kalrothhaha
21:04.53Adysspelldamage gems
21:05.00AFKDuTempeteThat is SO not Kirkburn's character.
21:05.01Adyscatform and bearform gear
21:05.01Kalroth+str gems
21:05.10Adysand healing rings and weapons
21:05.15Adysor
21:05.16Adyswait
21:05.22Adysi mean, this is ridiculous
21:05.35Adysone healing ring, one dps ring
21:05.39Kalrothbut he got epix!
21:05.55Adysa 12mp5 green necklace
21:06.11Adyshaha he's in the forsaken, didnt even notice
21:06.22Kalrothex NC guild, right?
21:06.24AdysKalroth: you got domian's greetings
21:06.25Adysaye
21:06.40KalrothHooray, greet Domie back!
21:07.04KalrothEven though he's a dirty dorf
21:07.06AFKDuTempeteOk, really, I'm leaving now.
21:07.11KalrothBye Dudu!
21:07.31Adyssee ya miss afk!
21:09.12bleeterBagginsww: question from my realm's /trade "if the Draenie are smart and all, and they crashed on Azeroth in their hyper-dimensional ship, why the hell don't they fix it and fuck off?"
21:09.20pcjlol
21:09.34Kalrothhahah
21:09.36pcjbecause then the alliance would be at a disadvantage
21:09.38bleeterBagginsww: best answer was "Coz Scotty was killed in the crash" (to which there was much crying... yay for RP realms)
21:10.16Adysbleeter: because its not possible to start such a ship from azeroth due to physics
21:10.34bleeterno... scotty died, dude... they sent his ashes in to space and all
21:11.06bleeterI thought it was just too fubarred to fix
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21:16.34Kirkburnhttp://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormrage&n=Chekov
21:16.54KirkburnWho the hell is Lunedor?
21:19.02pcjsorry
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21:36.44Sky2042100 / 7 ~ 14, isn't it?
21:36.51Sky2042i'm not on crack, am i?
21:37.41Sky2042yes
21:37.47Sky2042so why is that table being retarded
21:38.19Gryphenwhy the float right change sky?
21:38.28Sky2042it's the same thing
21:38.39Gryphenyeah...so why the change?
21:38.39Sky2042except wikipedia's help page on tables says to use align, not float
21:38.47Gryphenthis isnt wikipedia
21:38.57Sky2042true, let me see if i can dig up the exact reason why
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21:40.42Sky2042"One can position the table itself, and all contents in a row, and contents in a cell, but not with a single parameter for all contents in the table, see m:Template talk:Table demo. Do not, under any circumstances, use "float" to position a table. It will break page rendering at large font sizes."
21:40.51Sky2042http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Table#Positioning
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21:43.06Sky2042satisfied, gryphon?
21:43.17Gryphentrying to figure out the difference
21:43.38pcjdon't use tables imo
21:43.39Sky2042is there one?
21:43.43Sky2042lol pcj
21:49.38Grypheni dont see how it works any different, so i give up
21:52.08Sky2042:)
21:53.33Gryphenwas it displaying oddly for you with the float?
21:54.14KeolahToday my grandmother asked me, "So what's happening?" and I said "Stuff." and she asked "What kind of stuff?" "Do you really want to know?" "Sure." "Well, I made a new blood elf hunter..." "I had to ask. I'll never learn will I?"
21:54.36Sky2042gryphen: no.
21:54.59Gryphen-.-
21:55.29Sky2042lol
21:55.36Sky2042doesn't break it on yours though, either? :P
21:55.46Gryphenno...but why the edit?
21:56.03Gryphenim not following the reasoning
21:56.52Sky2042wikipedia said not to. did we not understand that?
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22:02.17pcjwhat, who made wikipedia = truth
22:02.42Gryphendunno, im trying to find the difference outside wikipedia
22:02.54Gryphennot that the wikipedia article made any sense at all
22:03.14Gryphenso far zilch
22:04.03pcjall i know is align is not supported in XHTML 1.0
22:05.18pcjwait, for tables or for cells
22:05.35Sky2042tables
22:05.44pcjyeah http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_table.asp
22:05.51pcjThe "align" and "bgcolor" attributes of the table element are not supported in XHTML 1.0 Strict DTD.
22:06.00Dotted^1[pcj]: what, who made wikipedia = truth <- yes becuase wikipedia have no experiance with the software they are developing
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22:06.35pcjit's a matter of HTML formatting, not syntax for their software :P
22:06.46Sky2042deprecated: "browsers should continue to support deprecated elements for backward compatibility."
22:07.13pcjthat's for HTML 4.01
22:07.19Dottedwell why all this whining that corrected formating?
22:07.20Sky2042touche
22:07.56Gryphenim just trying to understand the difference
22:08.20pcjalign is implemented by HTML attributes and float is implemented by CSS
22:08.23Gryphenif one is better than the other, will use it, but as far as i can tell it is a pointless diff
22:08.46DottedGryphen the change fixed a potential bug in formating, what is there to understand :P?
22:09.29Gryphenit is one obscure template out of dozens that uses float
22:09.41Gryphenthere are lots to fix then
22:09.43DottedGryphen but wouldnt you agree that wikipedia would know this sorta thing? and when wikipedia says thats a nono then its a nono and should be changed :p
22:10.05Gryphenit didnt explain anything, and it was added by joe shmoe
22:10.13Gryphenhe could know as little as you about it
22:10.14Gryphen;)
22:10.25Sky2042lol'
22:10.38Sky2042gryphen doubts the wiki structure. now why does that not surprise me?
22:11.20Sky2042!jobqueue
22:11.23[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 4960 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 1hr 22mins 40secs.
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22:29.18Sky2042!jobqueue
22:29.20[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 4273 doing ~0.6 job/s, done in approx. 1hr 58mins 41secs.
22:54.50wssmoething bugs me
22:54.54wshttp://www.wowwiki.com/Per_Class_Proficiencies
22:55.02wscan't gnome warriors use any two-handed weapons?
22:56.22wsor is it just the starting skills?
22:56.59wsah, must be the 2nd
22:57.10ws*skills->profficiencies
22:58.00Sky2042chit
22:58.02Sky2042shit*
22:58.04Sky2042lol
23:00.58Dotted!jobqueue
23:01.00[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 3038 doing ~0.5 job/s, done in approx. 1hr 41mins 16secs.
23:01.09Dottedslowwiki?
23:01.21Gryphen-.-
23:02.39Dottedg'night
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23:30.29piusky2042 you're killing me
23:30.36Sky2042mmm?
23:31.02piuyou moved spell hit rating
23:34.52Sky2042to spell hit?
23:35.01Sky2042to keep in line with the other pages on ratings
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23:42.12KirkburnSpell hit rating makes way more sense though
23:42.29KirkburnAnd yes, the others should change too
23:42.59Kirkburn"spell hit" means nothing on its own
23:44.33Kirkburnesp. since the page described not what a spell hit is, but what spell hit rating is
23:44.48piuit describes everything in a way
23:45.05piuthe stat, the mechanic, formulas, equivalent talents
23:45.27KirkburnI guess it is more conistent though, even if it does look weird
23:45.31Sky2042it was never "rating" prior to bc though
23:45.35piuyeah
23:45.37Sky2042it was always +spell hit
23:46.13piuall the pages dealing with player stats and the mechanics behind it should follow some scheme
23:47.05piubut then you have situations like
23:47.11piu[[Critical Hit]]
23:47.11[NewsBot]piu meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Critical_Hit
23:47.16KirkburnBtw, a theorycrafting wiki was requested from Wikia ... are we lacking of messed up in that area?
23:47.25Kirkburn*or
23:47.45piuand the you have [[Critical strike rating]]
23:47.59Sky2042severely alacking
23:48.06piuwe have some theorycraft, I guess
23:48.10Sky2042piu: critical hit should be merged into crit strike
23:48.10piunot much
23:48.27piucritical hit redirects to critical strike
23:48.29KirkburnI would suggest it's something to get sorted out
23:48.49piuhow do you define theorycrafting KB?
23:48.59Kirkburne.g. a theorycrafting template
23:49.07Sky2042we have a page for all the talent setups, which is kind of a theorycrafting
23:49.08Kirkburnhttp://requests.wikia.com/wiki/Wowtheorycraftershandbook
23:49.10Sky2042then there
23:49.12Sky2042[[Mage theorycraft]]
23:49.12[NewsBot]Sky2042 meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Mage_theorycraft
23:49.30piuyeah, someone started up a mage theory page
23:50.16KirkburnNav template, etc would be awesome
23:50.21Sky2042there isn't enough
23:51.17KirkburnNo, er, that's why I'm suggesting this
23:51.30Sky2042?
23:51.35Sky2042clarify, senor
23:51.55KirkburnThat the template doesn't have to have all blue links
23:51.56piuOK, I read that request
23:52.17Sky2042ok, that's what i thought
23:52.29piuwhat erea is suggesting duplicates some content already on wowwiki
23:52.32KirkburnSo long as there's the ability to navigate theorycrafting stuff, it'll help people start it all I guess
23:52.35Sky2042theorycraft could put us on top of wookiepedia.
23:52.40Kirkburnpiu, yeah, I know ><
23:52.47piuin my mage edits, I try to include formulas and detailed mechanics when it is known
23:53.11piuIn my opinion, there are two parts to theorycrafting
23:53.21Sky2042piu: what do you think about merging [[resist]] and [[resistance]], or do you think they require two different forms?
23:53.27Sky2042articles*
23:53.31piuthere is the "science" part, which is empirically determining precise game mechanics
23:54.03piuthen there is the "opinion" part, where players formulate the best approach to a situation
23:54.17piui.e., this spec is good for raiding, this for pvp, etc.
23:54.24KirkburnThe mage article, suitable under classes on here? http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Formulas_and_Game_Mechanics
23:54.38Sky2042sure kirkburn
23:54.52KirkburnGoing afk, bbl
23:55.59Kirkburn|afkSky2042, oh, something for your todo page - the Xfooter templates must die :P
23:56.46Kirkburn|afke.g. http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:EngineeringFooter
23:56.47Sky2042yeah, i've been staying away form killing off the old ones, since i'd rather ppl update the abilities with the infobox and boilerplate...
23:56.51Sky2042ah
23:57.08piuso it looks like erea is from wcradio.com
23:57.10Sky2042tell TOR to install that php :(
23:57.23piuand maybe either doesn't like wowwiki, or doesn't know about it
23:57.30Kirkburn|afk~totalbiscuit
23:57.37Kirkburn|afk~seen totalbiscuit
23:57.42infobottotalbiscuit <i=Eriyanna@cpe-075-181-080-050.carolina.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 11d 30m 59s ago, saying: 'Kirk, are you secretly gathering all the worlds knowledge in some kind of Skynet style affair? O_o'.
23:57.42piuor just wants to start from scratch
23:57.56Kirkburn|afkWow, that was 11 days ago!?
23:57.57pcj:o
23:58.19Kirkburn|afk~seen erea
23:58.20infobotKirkburn|afk: i haven't seen 'erea'
23:58.37piuack, its Eera
23:58.45Kirkburn|afk~seen eera
23:58.46infoboti haven't seen 'eera', Kirkburn|afk
23:58.47piuthe person that posted the request
23:58.49Kirkburn|afk:)

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