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00:57.24Sandwichman2448Hello.
01:06.14nemppuHI
01:13.37Bagginswwsandwhich someone claimed Pandaren have their own language
01:13.38Bagginswwuh huh
01:13.41Bagginswwnot officiall yet
01:13.44Bagginswwonly common :p
01:14.14Sandwichman2448OK
01:14.24Sandwichman2448http://www.wowwiki.com/Future_race_ideas#.5B.5BNerubian.5D.5D
01:14.27Sandwichman2448I added one
01:17.22Sandwichman2448So how are things?
01:17.58Bagginswwgood good
01:18.10Bagginswwrested today, kinda sick :p
01:18.18Bagginswwok checking your addition
01:18.19Sandwichman2448SIGN YOUR POST!
01:18.37Bagginswwblah I missed a tilde
01:18.38Sandwichman2448Please,
01:18.42Bagginswwor put too many
01:18.58BagginswwI must have hit it 5 times
01:19.03Bagginswwby accident
01:19.12Bagginswwyou know how easy that is to do?
01:19.59Sandwichman2448i just hit the button.
01:20.10Bagginswwbutton? there is a button?
01:21.38Sandwichman2448Yes.
01:22.03Sandwichman2448On the toolbar above the text window click the little scribble.
01:22.42Bagginswwahh thanks
01:22.43Sandwichman2448http://www.wowwiki.com/Image_talk:TuskarrFemale.JPG Jerk.
01:22.51Bagginswwshandris again?
01:23.07Bagginswwoh something different
01:23.23Sandwichman2448What?
01:23.28Sandwichman2448What did she do?
01:23.38Bagginswwjust link the image to your page or something
01:23.41Sandwichman2448The storm giant/frost giant pic?
01:24.03Bagginswwoh shandris is always copying over and reverting images LOL
01:24.22Sandwichman2448No, he wants to delete it.
01:24.36Sandwichman2448And she does, does not she?
01:25.19Bagginswwno she's  not involved
01:25.27Bagginswwdon't know who dionessa can't spell today :p
01:25.40Sandwichman2448I never said she was.
01:25.48Bagginswwbut sandwhich just link image to the talk page
01:25.50Bagginswwand your fine
01:26.05Bagginswwif its used, it doesn't have to be removed
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01:32.30Sandwichman2448What I miss?
01:34.21Sandwichman2448Bagginww?
01:34.28pcjvoluspa and teabingh came in and cussed us out
01:35.07Sandwichman2448I'm glad I missed it.
01:35.25Sandwichman2448Are not they the same guy?
01:37.35Sandwichman2448How are you?
01:37.52Sandwichman2448http://www.wowwiki.com/Image_talk:TuskarrFemale.JPG Save the tuskarr!
01:45.57Sandwichman2448Bye
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02:29.07Bagginswwdid garm remove harpies?
02:29.21BagginswwI'm going to add Blizzard's lore for "harpies as player characterss"
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02:30.03Bagginswwcrashwiki :p
02:30.13Bagginswwmaybe I should call it sunderedwiki?
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02:32.56ckknightanyone else notice that wowwiki is down
02:32.56ckknight?
02:33.04ckknightif it was my fault, then I've prepared a statement:
02:33.06ckknightmy bad
02:33.29ckknightokay, it's back
02:33.33ckknightthank you for your time.
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03:02.29KeolahI like to annoy my friends by singing things like "I've been through Tanaris on a mount with no name..." ;p
03:08.48[NewsBot]BlizzPlanet: Blizzplanet Weekly News Roundup - http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=1671
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04:33.09Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Fel%27dan
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05:20.08tkorIs this possible in a macro? Cast Water Elemental, if on cooldown use coldsnap, if both water elemental and coldsnap is on cooldown, cast frostbolt.
05:21.12ggilbertI imagine /cast Water Elemental  /cast Coldsnap   /cast Frostbolt should do it
05:21.18ggilbertwith each on a new line
05:21.53ggilbertactually,  /cast Water Elemental /cast Coldsnap /stopcasting /cast Water Elemental /cast Frostbolt might be closer
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05:24.02tkorthat just stops after coldsnap
05:24.19ggilbertdoes cold snap trigger the global cool down?
05:24.38tkoryeah
05:24.46ggilbertthen no, a macro can't do that :)
05:25.25ggilbertA second press of the button would cast water elemental though
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06:36.37Bagginswwadys I had to block zarnks again
06:36.52Bagginswwhe's returning to his "threats" and accusations again...
06:37.06BagginswwI only banned him for 2 weeks.
06:37.23Sky2042been pretty quiet tonight
06:37.46Sky2042oh yeah, i'm back
06:39.03Adyslol
06:39.08AdysBagginsww: lol
06:39.19Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Baggins
06:39.22Adysseriously, just lol
06:40.37Adysand cold snap doesnt trigger the gc
06:40.41Adysgcd even
06:42.20Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Known_vandals#September_2007
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06:43.50Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Known_vandals#
06:44.48Bagginswwhow I link back block?
06:44.55BagginswwIm past banns
06:44.59BagginswwI mean past bans
06:45.27Sky2042feel free to
06:45.39Sky2042but not using #
06:47.06Bagginswwhow do I check for past actiosn on someone?
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06:48.29Bagginswwwaves back
06:48.37Eltressal2/me
06:48.58Eltressa:D
06:49.23Eltressawaves of?
06:49.29Bagginswwocean?
06:49.33Eltressaoh right
06:49.35Eltressai was thinking of you know
06:49.38Eltressagiant insects
06:49.39Eltressabut that works
06:50.59Bagginswwwell I suppose I should go wash my clothes, but I hate laundromats ;p
06:51.09Bagginswwnot close to my computer :p
06:51.47Sky2042bagginsww: just go through the archives. i'd suggest using ctrl + f
06:51.54Bagginswwahh ok
06:52.07Bagginswwbtw what postive use is Zarnks? What good stuff has he done?
06:52.14BagginswwI mean could we live without him?
06:55.46Bagginswwthanks sky
06:58.33BagginswwIts the 3rd time I blocked him best I can tell
06:58.45Bagginswwcouldn't find the ones Kirkburn did.
06:59.02Bagginswwhe may have forgotten to mark it in vandal list
06:59.24Sky2042bagginsww: you can also check his block log
06:59.47Bagginswwok trying to do that
06:59.50Sky2042go to http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Zarnks , at the top there should be a list
06:59.58Sky2042of contribs, block log, and log
07:00.04Sky2042hit the block log links
07:00.05Sky2042link*
07:02.43BagginswwI see maybe 2 for kirburn
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07:02.49Bagginswwonce for adys
07:03.04Bagginswwadys wanted to get rid of him for 3 months heh
07:03.23Adysspam inc.
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07:03.47BagginswwI have a headache LOL
07:04.16Sky2042i see 1 day, than 3 days, than a week, than 2 weeks, than another 2 weeks
07:04.30Sky2042excuse me
07:04.39Adysgo from the bottom
07:04.56Adys1 day, 3 days, 1 week, unblock, 3 months, unblock, 2 weeks
07:05.15Sky20421 day, then 3 days, then 2 weeks with intention of 3 months, then 2 weeks more
07:05.40Adysyes
07:05.40Adys><
07:05.43Bagginsww:p
07:06.09BagginswwI should upgrade him 2 months so he can finish of the one he never finished
07:06.32Sky2042lol
07:06.39Adysgo ahead :P
07:07.14BagginswwLOL
07:07.23Bagginswwkirkburn will just go over my head :p
07:07.34BagginswwI'll wait to discuss it with him
07:07.41Sky2042hold to two weeks
07:07.49Sky2042it sounded like zarnks was leaving anyway
07:08.27Bagginswwalright
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07:09.30Sky2042_[12:10]<Zarnks>I may be leaving Wowwiki for a while
07:09.42BagginswwI think people have things misinterpreted Illidari from what I could tell was more of an elite guard inside of Illidan's forces
07:09.55Bagginswwbut not all of Illidan's forces
07:10.20Bagginswwmaybe he knew he'd be banned if he threatened me again LOL
07:10.36Bagginswwragestorm almost banned him today I think
07:10.43Adys~seen zarnks
07:10.46infobotzarnks <n=Benmurph@adsl-69-107-67-195.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 11h 59m 48s ago, saying: 'No can I have your stuff?'.
07:11.15Bagginswwlol
07:11.15Sky2042_and then he said that adys
07:11.19Kirkburn|sleepBagginsww, go ahead
07:11.27Sky2042_he's not sleeping
07:11.29Bagginsww2 months?
07:11.34Kirkburn|sleeplol
07:11.43Kirkburn|sleepJust woke up
07:11.58Kirkburn|sleepGiven the PING! PING! PING! from 5 mins ago :P
07:12.03BagginswwLOL
07:12.31Bagginswwhappy for 3 day weekends heh
07:13.03Bagginswwwell I got kirkburn's go ahead? or we talking about something else?
07:13.21Sky2042no, he's referring to zarnks i think
07:13.33Bagginswwso 2 months on zarnks?
07:13.35Sky2042kirkburn, you fix that stub, i'm guessing?
07:13.45Kirkburn|sleepThe screenshots one? Yeah
07:15.40Bagginswwlolk I blocked myself, oops types to fix that
07:15.44Bagginswwmust have misclicked
07:16.17Fisker-permanent?
07:16.29Fisker-he's not gonna get it
07:16.39Sky2042finally rid of you! woohoo! :P
07:16.41BagginswwLOL
07:16.58BagginswwYa I should permanent block myself come april fool's
07:17.04Bagginswwfor the day
07:17.33Bagginswwactually have the admin block each other that day LOL
07:24.00Bagginswwok off to wash clothes
07:24.05Bagginswwbe back later
07:24.16Bagginswwoh and sky I added handful of artwork for various characters
07:24.23Bagginswwif your interested
07:25.08Sky2042sweet
07:25.58Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Highlord_Demitrian
07:26.14BagginswwI don't think that's good enough for the racebox, can't see his mouth
07:26.19Bagginswwnpcbox
07:26.53Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Baelgun_Flamebeard
07:27.28Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Mogul_Razdunk
07:28.15Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/General_Colbatann
07:28.39Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Fel%27dan
07:28.55Bagginswwya :p
07:29.23Sky2042cough
07:29.27Sky2042not the real pages
07:29.28Sky2042the image pages
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07:29.51Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Zalazane
07:30.48Sky2042i'm starting to think it would be a good idea to categorize images from the rpg with the book they're from
07:31.09BagginswwYou should see the entire baelgun image heh
07:31.20Bagginswwhe's being chased down by a cryptlord
07:39.22Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Dark_Iron_dwarf
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07:40.25Fisker-it's a miracle Zarnks haven't been there and said that Zalazane was framed
07:41.49BagginswwLOL
07:42.53LaurlySky2042 you picking on the bot :(
07:43.15Sky2042i wasn't sure you were on, and yes
07:43.32Sky2042why not just add that to the npc pages directly? :|
07:43.34Laurlyim playing bot hooky today going to go farm the last aldor rep
07:43.58Laurlypowers at be voted that normal ppl couldnt read the table data so we poped it on a seprate page
07:44.40Sky2042normal people don't edit, so it doesn't matter if they can read it. even if they do edit, most leave it alone, so it doesn't matter if it's on the page or if it's on
07:44.42Sky2042:]
07:45.00Laurlydid you check my reply see how many extra pages she makes
07:45.13Sky2042yeah
07:45.16Sky2042that's what's scary
07:45.25Laurlywe cleaned it up yesterday pcj was amazing with the css crap
07:45.52Laurlyyeah i know shes going to genrate a lot of data
07:46.54Laurlyi figure we have 2 options. 1 i start mass genration slowly so ppl can yell if they find anything wrong.
07:47.16Laurly2. i make up a test case and we pop it up on village pump and let the powers at be figure it out over the next few days
07:48.18Laurlyi still need to decided if riping pictures from wowhead also would be considered abuse of them being nice to let us rip data to begin with
07:55.43Sky2042hey bagginww or adys, can you check something for me?
07:55.59Adyssup? (im a bit afk atm)
07:56.53Sky2042can you check for when and why http://www.wowwiki.com/Arachnid Gloves was delete?
07:57.00Sky2042[[Arachnid Gloves]]
07:57.01[NewsBot]Sky2042 meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Arachnid_Gloves
08:01.04Bagginswwhmm
08:06.38Sky2042lol, love the garr pic
08:08.12Sky2042hmm
08:09.04Sky2042zomg
08:09.11Sky2042that's the Warlock from SoL. what's he doing here?
08:12.22Sky2042hey, bagginsww, why exactly is villainraces in the horde article again?
08:13.24BagginswwMetzen's only example of Blood elf and jungle trolls
08:13.37Bagginswwits to match the rest of the set
08:13.40Sky2042that should be in the image descrip on that page
08:13.46Bagginswwlook
08:13.47Sky2042is it?
08:13.49Sky2042lol
08:13.50Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Image_talk:Villainraces.jpg
08:13.54Bagginswwin the rpg
08:15.58BagginswwRPG uses it for something different than the metzen named it after the fact
08:17.30BagginswwI see zarnks was the one that messed it up earlier
08:17.47Bagginswwone of his "assumptions" based on the fact he doesn't have the rpg and goes by second hand information
08:18.08Sky2042mmm
08:19.32Bagginswwwe need to check that Illidari isn't tossed around incorrectly
08:19.39Bagginswwits more of a elite guard
08:19.44Bagginswwthan an actual organization
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08:23.25Bagginswwnot everyone allied to Illidan are within the Illidari
08:25.36BagginswwAnother thing people forget there is not split between Blood elves, LOL
08:25.42Bagginswwall blood elves are the same
08:25.54Bagginswwnot until players reach 60 do they notice something's wrong with kael
08:26.12Bagginswwwell 56 or so.
08:27.27Sky2042well, 0 now :P
08:28.41Bagginsww0 now?
08:29.18Sky2042if they don't know kael's head aint' screwed on tight long before they get to end-game, then they're just wierd.
08:30.11BagginswwI'm talking about elves on azeroth that only have knowledge given to them by ambassador
08:30.37Bagginswwwhat I've heard when he returns
08:30.47Bagginswwto Azeroth for sunwell, they are all ready to help him
08:31.04Bagginswwso you basically are fighting your own people from Silvermoon
08:36.03Bagginswwhmm a reference to calia eh?
08:36.11Bagginswwand brann lol
08:36.17Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Tides_of_Darkness
08:39.40Bagginswwhah apparenlty Antonidus is the ruler of the kirin tor in Tides of Darkness
08:40.36Bagginswwoh ya first chapter calls all the members of the alliance kings
08:41.27Sky2042lol
08:42.32Bagginswwbut ya its basically I told you so moment
08:42.39Bagginswwnot you I ean
08:42.41Bagginsww*mean
08:42.43Bagginswwbut to others
08:42.56Bagginswwanycase Day of the Dragon was the first to call them kings
08:43.13Bagginswwif you don't count the term "kingdoms" from warcraft II manual
08:43.30Bagginsww"I will summon my neighboring kings," he announced. "These events concern us all." He turned back toward Varian. "Your Majesty, I offer you my home and my protection for as long as you shall need it," he stated, loud enough for all to hear. "When you are ready, know that Lordaeron will assist you in reclaiming your kingdom."
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08:46.47Sky2042adys, banhammer needd
08:46.54Adyslink
08:46.58Sky2042http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/ROFLZOR
08:48.11Adysdone
08:48.34Sky2042lol. roflban
08:51.33Dottedhttp://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Server:Barthilas_US&diff=prev&oldid=857235
08:53.35Sky2042adys, need another banhammer
08:54.57Bagginswwsky my giant wow world map came
08:55.06Sky2042sweetness
08:55.11Sky2042your dorm big enough to fit it? :P
08:55.14Adyson him?
08:55.27AdysVanz91
08:55.35Bagginswwlol its a big room ya
08:55.43Bagginswwstudio apartment
08:56.31Sky2042adys: yeah
08:56.40Adysdone
08:56.41Bagginswwalright I'll scan in sunwell plateau area as its pretty detailed section
08:56.51Bagginswwbased on the older maps
08:59.51Sky2042!jobqueue
08:59.52[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 1,670
09:01.06Olison:o
09:02.05Dottedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7z6Yxs69rQ lol
09:08.45Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Image:QuelthalasDetail.JPG
09:08.49[NewsBot]BlizzPlanet: Terran Unit from Starcraft Novel -- Unrevealed? - http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=1672
09:08.57Bagginswwthere you go sky add it to quel'thalas, sunwell platue, sunwell grove
09:09.05Bagginswwand whereever else it should go heh
09:10.01Bagginswwyou want me to update giligim's island scan too right?
09:13.05Bagginswwjust wondering if you were curious :p
09:13.13BagginswwI'm sure sandwhich would be, LOL
09:13.57elmargolSorry for of topic. I search someone who has an apple tv or an iphone
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09:28.14Laurlysometimes addons give you way to much info i didnt want to know i had kill 731 of these things
09:35.30Sky2042lol
09:39.34Laurly200 cloth :/
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09:49.36Fisker-slowwiki is slooooooooooooow?
09:50.40OkxygenLaurly warned you...
09:50.49Laurlybots not running so its not me
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10:06.50henriettacan anyone tell me how i can use {{quality}} inside {{genericrow1}}
10:10.29henrietta>:O
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11:06.09Kirkburnhere's something funny
11:06.19KirkburnMy internet went out on one of my PCs last night
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11:06.38KirkburnCouldn't work out why until I just looked with my hosuemate at the switch in his room
11:06.52KirkburnThe power cable has been chewed in half ><
11:07.13KirkburnHe is now tidying his room, and god knows what he'll find :P
11:16.04Taurmindoslowwiki or deadwiki?
11:16.58Fisker-slowwii
11:17.00Fisker-slowwiki
11:17.03Fisker-is sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
11:26.55Dotted!jobqueue
11:27.18Dotted..
11:27.18Dotted.
11:38.45Kirkburn!jobqueue
11:38.46[NewsBot]The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 1
11:40.16Dottedomg
11:40.41Dottedoh
11:40.44Dottedbtw Kirkburn
11:42.19Fisker-[NewsBot] is harassing me :O
11:42.39Dottedo'rly?
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11:54.40DottedKirkburn is a nub
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12:09.39Laurlyahhh my brain......... 4 hours im exaulted
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12:12.36Laurlyslow wiki?
12:14.39Dottedomg gief wysiwyg editor on wowwiki kthx
12:16.43Dottedhttp://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FCKeditor
12:19.28Okxygen:)
12:21.39Dottedwell actually http://mediawiki.fckeditor.net/index.php/Main_Page is probably better
12:22.06Dottedhttp://mediawiki.fckeditor.net/index.php?title=Sandbox&action=edit
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12:37.01Fisker-power level!?
12:37.14Fisker-WHAT 9000?!
12:38.06OkxygenIsn't that illegal?
12:39.47Fisker-no
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12:45.44hunkiehey can anyone assist me regarding patch matters?
12:48.11Dottedno user .js??
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13:03.03pcjding 10000 edits
13:09.21Taurmindo"One estimate is 0.1%, but there is no evidence for that number." .. why mention it? :P
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14:23.57Kirkburn|afkInteresting - just looked up Thrall orcish name on Google - http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=291&letter=G
14:24.17Kirkburn|afkAccording to there it means "Next of kin, and, hence, redeemer"
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15:10.42[NewsBot]GamePolitics: Pro-Syrian Game Depicts Assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister, Cabinet - http://gamepolitics.com/2007/09/02/pro-syrian-game-depicts-assassination-of-lebanese-prime-minister-cabinet/
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15:52.57Okxygen+v?
16:00.14OkxygenSo quiet...
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16:16.14piumossois the kirk afk?
16:16.40Dottedhighlight him and hope for the best
16:16.47Dotted¨
16:17.27piumossowell, general darktable question then:
16:17.32OkxygenWell, let's be nice boys and girls and not attack anyone.
16:18.12piumossois there a class for alternating color rows in a table
16:18.23piumossolike a class="altrow" or something
16:25.59piumossonevermind! class="alt" does the trick
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17:10.42[NewsBot]GamePolitics: Fordham Prof Slams Hillary Over Video Game Issue - http://gamepolitics.com/2007/09/02/fordham-prof-slams-hillary-over-video-game-issue/
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18:45.15Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Kobold
18:45.25Bagginswwwhat's wrong with the box and why isn't it shrinking the image?
18:45.32BagginswwI didn't alter the box
18:45.36Bagginswwit was tehre before I got there
18:55.21Bagginswwfound the problem
18:55.25Bagginswwsomeone had no on resizing
18:56.39Sky2042for once, fandy has proved helpful
18:56.41Sky2042got to jet now!
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19:10.11[NewsBot]Dark Legacy: #106:Chef Gigz - http://www.darklegacycomics.com/106.html
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19:42.42Sandwichman2448Who is Kalroth?
19:43.19Sandwichman2448Teh sex?
19:43.25KalrothHammerzeit!
19:43.35Sandwichman2448Ok.
19:43.44Sandwichman2448So you are he.
19:44.01KalrothI'm the best male orc west of Orgrimmar.
19:44.17Sandwichman2448Saurfang?
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19:44.27KalrothI said west of Orgrimmar
19:44.55Sandwichman2448Alright.
19:45.00KalrothInside Orgrimmar it's a whole other matter.
19:50.26Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Hyjalsummit.JPG
19:50.30Bagginswwsandwich I got my map
19:50.43Sandwichman2448sO?
19:51.02Sandwichman2448I knew it looks like that.
19:51.15Sandwichman2448Sorry. :(
19:51.20Bagginswwwell I can scan highly detailed sections of it :p for example better version of those two islands by stranglethorn
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19:51.51Bagginswwfound it interesting they had Hyjal mapped out
19:52.02Sandwichman2448it is texture in game.
19:52.06UmbroThey have waht?
19:52.28Sandwichman2448it is textured in game. The closed zone exists like that.
19:52.46Sandwichman2448the instance is a bit different.
19:53.01UmbroSorry, I'm not following. Has Blizzard removed Hyjal?
19:53.07Sandwichman2448http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Vrykul#Whitey Here is something.
19:53.39Bagginswwwhat I mean in other maps they usually have that section as a pile of mountains
19:53.41Bagginswwno details
19:53.54Bagginswwlike blizzard was trying ot hide what was there
19:54.02Bagginswwya cool
19:54.27Sandwichman2448Hide? Like the airfeild?
19:54.49BagginswwI mean hyjal
19:54.52UmbroHello?
19:54.57Sandwichman2448Yes?
19:55.03Bagginswwon most maps its covered in mountain symbols
19:55.16Bagginswwrather than detailed overhead view on this map
19:55.23Sandwichman2448The ingame minimap looks like that.
19:55.27UmbroWhat are you talking about?
19:55.31Sandwichman2448Hyjal
19:55.43Bagginswwyou have to get into hyjal to see the ingame mini-map though for that area
19:55.44UmbroYes, has Blizzard removed Hyjal?
19:55.46Bagginswwtoo many mountains around it
19:55.49Bagginswwno
19:55.53Sandwichman2448Or use the mapviewer
19:56.04Bagginswwwhat I mean is you have to illegally get there
19:56.12UmbroAren't you violating the policy now?
19:56.16Bagginswwin most blizzard maps printed in other sources
19:56.26Bagginswwits just covered with mountain symbol
19:56.39Bagginswwrough jagged mountain peak appearance
19:56.49Bagginswwumbro how?
19:57.02BagginswwI just scanned a piece of artwork from the poster map
19:57.17UmbroYou're talking about exploiting the game
19:57.17Sandwichman2448http://mapwow.com/ Looky here.
19:57.21Bagginswwno i'm not
19:57.28Sandwichman2448I am.
19:57.35Sandwichman2448Sorta...
19:57.39Sandwichman2448Er.
19:57.45Sandwichman2448Oh God.
19:57.46Bagginswwyep eople have ripped the maps from the game
19:58.00Sandwichman2448See hyjal?
19:58.15Bagginswwyes
19:58.18Sandwichman2448That is pre TBC hyjal.
19:58.20BagginswwI knew it was in there, art wise
19:58.27Sandwichman2448Same as the drawing.
19:58.42Bagginswwactually its kind of squished in comparison
19:59.04Bagginswwya I've seen up tehre  in mapviewer programs before blizzard said you couldn't use them
20:00.06Sandwichman2448Well, I'm just saying your pic is not anything new.
20:00.22Bagginswwit is "newer"
20:00.32Bagginswwits also different
20:00.36Bagginswwas a form of art
20:00.43Bagginswwand scale is a bit different
20:00.51Bagginswwit makes hyjal round not ovil
20:00.53Bagginsww*oval
20:00.59Sandwichman2448squished is not 'different'
20:01.29Bagginswwget a close up its got a different appearance too
20:02.30Bagginswwits drawn differently
20:02.33Sandwichman2448Lets see...
20:03.16BagginswwI'd say the ingame hacked map is more detailed as far as use of color
20:03.58UmbroHacks?
20:04.05Sandwichman2448Cross shaped mountains three dead spots, well thingy...
20:04.07Sandwichman2448Same
20:04.33Bagginswwthey are not the same picture they are similar
20:04.41Sandwichman2448VERY
20:04.41UmbroI know a lot of good hacks too.
20:04.49Bagginswwsimilar odesn't mean the same
20:05.04Bagginswwdifferent artists different artwork
20:05.07Sandwichman2448It still shows nothing new.
20:05.13Bagginswwbut its a new image
20:05.22Sandwichman2448Yes
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20:05.35Bagginswwbut my point was the other image was only know by people who hack
20:05.45Bagginswwor now play the cavern's of time version
20:05.56Bagginswwbut in 2006 when that new image was made
20:06.00Sandwichman2448True....
20:06.04Sandwichman2448No TBC
20:06.07Bagginswwit was lblizzard's first release of apperance
20:06.12Bagginswwof what was on mount hyjal
20:06.31Bagginswwbefore that all maps that even got close to that area masked its apperarance
20:06.34Sandwichman2448Yrue.
20:06.37Sandwichman2448True
20:07.07Sandwichman2448In Utgarde, you can fight the skull forge thing, or rather, it attacks you and you turn it off to make things easier by killing the smiths.
20:07.08UmbroSo, nice weather?
20:07.16Sandwichman2448Not where I am.
20:07.31UmbroWhere are you?
20:07.37Bagginswwya good hilo day
20:07.39Sandwichman2448Florida
20:07.41Bagginswwnot raining
20:07.52Bagginswwaloha ;)
20:08.01Sandwichman2448that is Hawaii
20:08.05UmbroFlorida isn't Hawaii
20:08.28UmbroFlorida is that place with big roads and fat people and enourmous meals
20:08.46Sandwichman2448I am not fat.
20:08.51Sandwichman2448Much.
20:08.58BagginswwI'm in hawaii, :p
20:09.00UmbroI didn't say you were fat :)
20:09.03Sandwichman2448Really?
20:09.04Bagginswwyes
20:09.08Sandwichman2448K
20:09.14Sandwichman2448In Utgarde, you can fight the skull forge thing, or rather, it attacks you and you turn it off to make things easier by killing the smiths.
20:09.18Sandwichman2448COMMENT!
20:09.19Bagginswwgoing to university of Hawaii
20:09.38UmbroHowever, I shouldn't talk too much. I'm just hanging around until the perfect momment for an...
20:09.42Bagginswwinteresting I suppose. But don't know much about skull forge
20:09.56UmbroGuess what?
20:09.57Sandwichman2448The screenshot
20:10.01Sandwichman2448What
20:10.14UmbroI won't tell you ^^
20:10.31Sandwichman2448http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Utgarde_keep.JPG
20:10.33Sandwichman2448That
20:10.42UmbroNo.
20:10.57UmbroIt's about Wowwiki.
20:11.02Sandwichman2448http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Utgarde_keep.JPG is the forge.
20:11.03Bagginswwahh
20:11.08Sandwichman2448What about it?
20:11.09Bagginswwcool flame effects
20:11.14Sandwichman2448It attacks
20:11.43Sandwichman2448not a 'boss' just a hazard
20:11.49UmbroSilly... an angry forge?
20:11.56Sandwichman2448So?
20:12.15UmbroWell, it isn't very creative
20:12.21Sandwichman2448Why?
20:12.35UmbroI mean, a forge can't do that
20:12.42Sandwichman2448Why not?
20:12.42UmbroThen it wouldn't work
20:13.01Sandwichman2448What can not it do to make it not work?
20:13.16Sandwichman2448I know forges.
20:13.35Sandwichman2448they can hurt you.
20:13.47UmbroWell, a forge is some kind of an oven that you use to smelt metal. In order to so, you need very high tempratures
20:13.55Sandwichman2448Yeah
20:14.15Sandwichman2448So?
20:14.46UmbroWhen you release the flames, you also release a lot of energy
20:14.51Bagginswwits the first forge with a defense mechanism :p
20:15.04UmbroReally?
20:15.12Fisker-yeah
20:15.13Sandwichman2448the flames ar hot enough o still be hot.
20:15.14BagginswwI can't think of any other forges that spout fire can you?
20:15.19Bagginswwat enemies?
20:15.24Sandwichman2448Nope
20:15.26Fisker-You actually have to shut it down to be able to pass it
20:15.33Sandwichman2448I SAID THAT
20:15.38Fisker-i don't care
20:15.39Sandwichman2448No wait, i did not
20:15.41Bagginswwya its unbarable if you leave them open
20:15.41Fisker-:(
20:15.51UmbroPaladin ----> buble
20:15.53Bagginswwwell while you leave them open to put stuff in
20:15.55Fisker-YOU LIED TO ME
20:16.04BagginswwI'm lost fisker
20:16.06Sandwichman2448So?
20:16.07Umbromage ---> blink
20:16.09Fisker-it doesn't need to be paladin proof Umbro
20:16.17Fisker-and you can't blink through circles
20:16.28UmbroLulzy :P
20:16.28Sandwichman2448Hunter ---> die
20:16.36Fisker-everyone ---> die
20:16.44Sandwichman2448feign die
20:16.47UmbroDivine intervention
20:16.51Sandwichman2448Woo
20:16.52Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Illidari
20:17.01Fisker-you can't move in DI
20:17.04UmbroOnly the paladin has to die...  a lot of times
20:17.37UmbroOr perhaps he can buble and use divine intervention?
20:17.56Fisker-doesn't matter
20:18.16UmbroWell, I'm not really good at this
20:18.24Fisker-you're horrible
20:18.36UmbroI guess I'm a newb :(
20:18.48UmbroThough, I've played the game since 2005
20:19.04Fisker-only mobile invulnerabillity is divine shield, and there's a pretty good amount of abillities that work with shields
20:19.49UmbroFlame-protection potion?
20:20.40Sandwichman2448KILL THE SMITHS AND TURN IT OFF AND NOT BE A LAZY CHEATER???
20:20.59Fisker-in-motherfucking-deed
20:21.05UmbroWut?
20:21.09Bagginswwgoing to add the source informaiton needed to that thing
20:21.24UmbroWhy are you swearing all the time?
20:21.29Sandwichman2448You said it.
20:21.40Sandwichman2448He is the fiskerdin.
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20:21.57UmbroI don't understand why you have to say "fuck" all the time
20:22.17BagginswwI don't understand why you have to type "" to tell him to stop typing it LOL
20:22.33Bagginswwyou just "said" it ;)
20:22.39UmbroDon't you think it's a good thing to make a swear-word out of something good.
20:22.58UmbroYou know what the English say?
20:23.03UmbroEvery fuck is sacred
20:23.07BagginswwLOL
20:23.16UmbroI think we should remember that
20:23.22BagginswwHmm donuts are good
20:23.35Bagginswwso donut could be a swear word?
20:23.47UmbroNo, donut should not be a swear word
20:23.51BagginswwYou all go to donuts.
20:23.56UmbroOr perhaps it should
20:24.01UmbroDonuts aren't healthy
20:24.15Bagginswwa little pleasure in life is good
20:24.21Bagginswweverything in moderation
20:24.32UmbroHum-hum
20:24.37Bagginswwfucking too much can lead to certain problems too ;)
20:24.45KeolahMmm, fucking.
20:24.56UmbroWell, I guess so
20:24.56Bagginswwlike strained penis
20:25.04Bagginswwbruising
20:25.14UmbroThat is usualy due to onanism
20:25.16Bagginswwstds
20:25.30UmbroDo you know what Darwin said abotu onanism?
20:25.35KeolahYou can't get an std if you aren't fucking someone with an std.
20:25.46Bagginswwnot that people always tell other people ;)
20:25.58KeolahSo why would you fuck someone you don't trust? :)
20:26.03UmbroUse a rubber :P
20:26.06Bagginsww"do you have an std?"
20:26.14Bagginsww"No, I swar I don't
20:26.35Bagginswwnumber one thing is people are embarrased about stds and tend to lie aobut them
20:26.43Bagginswwat least in america
20:26.48Bagginswwyes rubber is safer
20:26.51Bagginswwunless it breaks
20:26.54KeolahNow, me, I _know_ I don't have any STDs because I'd have noticed by now because I haven't gotten laid in 10 years :P
20:27.06BagginswwLOL
20:27.09UmbroReally?
20:27.15Bagginswwabstinence is the safest true
20:27.35KeolahI'm not trying to be abstinent, I just don't leave the house enough... ;p
20:27.46UmbroKeolah, r u olde?
20:28.08pcjasl plz
20:28.11UmbroAnyway, back to Darwin
20:28.48BagginswwI'm going to have to leave darwin in the washing machine with my clotehs... :p
20:28.57UmbroDarwin believed that in the stone age world, the men who weren't alfa or beta males turned to onanism or became gay
20:28.59Bagginswwits really time I get those going :p
20:28.59Sandwichman2448Shut up.
20:29.00KeolahAustralia? That's a bit far away.
20:29.41UmbroSo, onanism could put your body in "anti-sex" mode.
20:30.01pcjdarwin was a moron anyway
20:30.07UmbroNo, he wasn't
20:30.08KeolahConanism might make you look like Arnold Schwarzenegger used to.
20:30.16Sandwichman2448Shut up.
20:30.19Sandwichman2448Shut up.
20:30.31UmbroYou tried ? ^^
20:30.54UmbroWell, Darwin had a lot of good ideas - and some bad ones.
20:30.56Sandwichman2448To kill you? perhaps.
20:31.11KeolahHitler had a lot of good ideas, and some bad ones.
20:31.18UmbroWhy is it so that I make everyone around me want to kill me?
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20:31.46Bagginswwits too early for darwinism?
20:31.49UmbroKalgan had a lot of good ideas - and some bad ones too.
20:31.59UmbroOnly in America
20:32.07UmbroIn Europe, we have science
20:32.16Bagginswwwe have science here too, and evolution
20:32.16UmbroWe believe in Man!
20:32.18Fisker-night!
20:32.20KeolahI don't want to kill you.
20:32.27Umbrophew
20:32.31Bagginswwits just too early for darwinism its morning here and a 3 day holiday
20:32.39BagginswwI don't want to discuss what I discuss alway week along
20:32.43Bagginsww*all
20:32.54UmbroOh, surry :)
20:33.06Bagginswwanthro major here, btw
20:33.19Bagginswwmore archaelogy though
20:33.21Keolahhehe
20:33.51Bagginswwspeaking of which as much as I cringe the thought I need to finish my reading assignments :p
20:33.53Bagginswwtake care everyone
20:34.05KeolahI just finished reading Starship Troopers. It made me want to pull out some Space Marines and go smash some Tyranids... ;p
20:34.14Umbro:)
20:34.16BagginswwHells ya, LOL
20:34.31UmbroShouldn't you be reading?
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20:35.13UmbroWell, I should go to bed.
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20:35.41UmbroGood night. Perhaps I can get this right tomorrow
20:35.55UmbroNight-night, Pete ;)
20:35.58DuTempeteAhhhhh, sweet internet.
20:36.27UmbroOh, before I go
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20:36.45UmbroWhat do you think about this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb00925fEik ?
20:38.13UmbroGood?
20:40.05DuTempeteCan't watch videos on my laptop; no sound. :(
20:40.32UmbroOh, ok.
20:41.09UmbroBring Georgie my love and show the movie to him, will you?
20:41.15UmbroNight-night ;)
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20:52.05Kirkburn|afkBtw, Umbro was Voluspa
20:52.18Kirkburn|afkSome people are just obsessed ...
20:52.26pcjtsk tsk
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21:11.34DottedKirkburn|afk
21:12.50Kirkburn|afkPlease stop pinging me if there's nothing to say?
21:13.09Dottedwell i dont want to say it if you arent here
21:13.20Dotted!ts
21:13.20[NewsBot]WoWWiki Test TeamSpeak info: teamspeak://ts.wowwiki.bxd.dk:8769
21:13.25Dottedgogo :p
21:13.38Kirkburn|afkLater this week, got other stuff to sort first
21:13.56Kirkburn|afk(I promise for later in the week)
21:14.02Dottedwoohoo
21:14.54Dottedim off to bed, g'night
21:15.49Kirkburn|afknight!
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21:36.33wshey
21:37.35wseverybody's asleep?
21:38.21pcjno
21:38.26wshey pcj
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21:39.39wsheck, something horrible happened
21:39.50wsmy main (well, it's just level 28), I named him 'lilbandit'
21:40.03Bagginswwnow if we could only get a good image of the giant turtle from warcraf 2 both ingame and cutscene.
21:40.10wsnow I just found that there's some really insanely horrible musician called 'Lil bandit'
21:40.13wsI gotta reroll
21:40.25wsI clicked on this crap somewhere and just can't stand listening to it for more than 2 seconds
21:40.37wsand WoW namechanging policies sucks
21:40.40Bagginswwyou don't have to reroll
21:40.47Bagginswwblizzard will just change name
21:40.52Bagginswwif they have a problem with it
21:40.53wsno, they don't
21:40.56Bagginswwyes they do
21:41.09wsI browsed the forums, they don't
21:41.16Bagginswwdon't listen to players
21:41.23Bagginswwthey don't know how it works
21:41.27Kirkburn|afkws, report yourself
21:41.32wslol Kirkburn
21:41.36Kirkburn|afkSeriously
21:41.45Kirkburn|afkAnd point out it's a real life name
21:41.46Bagginswwand if blizzard hasn't gotten upset they won't turn you in
21:41.55Bagginswwthey haven't ever bothered me for Baggins
21:42.14Bagginswwif blizzard does get upset you will be given an email
21:42.16wsah, actually, you're right
21:42.25wsif it's a musician, it might be copyrighted
21:42.27Bagginswwand name changing link
21:42.32Kirkburn|afkindeed
21:42.42Bagginswwmost likely they won't even notice
21:42.46Bagginswwif its an obscure musician
21:42.56wsnow, still, I got to figure out a nice name for a gnome rogue
21:43.00wsthat I won't regret, lol
21:43.04Bagginswwwhy do you want to change?
21:43.07Bagginswwthere is no point
21:43.15Bagginswwwho cares if you call it lilbandit
21:43.32Kirkburn|afk(yeah, I'm just giving advice for if you actually *want* to change it)
21:43.33wsI would link you to this music, lol
21:43.57Bagginswwblizz won't punish you if they decide they don't like the name, they'll just give you a generic name and th eoption to change it to something else
21:44.04wshttp://www.mixmatters.com/hot/Lil_Bandit-Who_Do_You_Love.html
21:44.07BagginswwI've had several friends who had it happen to them.
21:44.08wsclick on this link
21:44.13wsand you'll see why I _WANT_, lol
21:44.28wsunless you really enjoy this sort of music, in which case... heck...
21:44.36Bagginswwto be honest if I liked a name I wouldn't care if it was similar to some band's name if I named it for a different reason
21:44.54BagginswwMy reason for naming something is more important than if people think I was copying someone's name
21:44.58wswhat I don't like about it, it's too long
21:45.19wsjust a sec, I got to find something in a dictionary
21:45.24Bagginswwok just contact a GM and tell them you want it changed cause its a copyright infringment
21:45.28Bagginswwand give them a link
21:45.29wsit has 3 syllabees
21:45.44Bagginswwbut you don't have to reroll
21:45.59wshmm.. thank you :-)
21:46.09wsI'll contact them a bit later though, when I find out a better name, lol
21:46.17wstoo bad "Grim" is taken, not sure if "Grimie" is good
21:46.24Bagginswwsanwhich you can find a better image than that ;)
21:46.36Bagginswwlike a turtle above water not below it ;)
21:46.40Bagginswwalthough a animated gif would be cool
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21:46.50wsanyway, thank you all for suggestions and help :-)
21:47.01Bagginswwno problem
21:47.21Pzykjust wanted to pop in and say that the wowwiki spotlight has a huge honking gold ad on it.
21:47.22wsI'm a newbie to WoW
21:47.35wsjust level 28
21:47.48wsbut heck, I farmed 1776 lifetime kills
21:47.55wswhich took me some playing already, lol
21:49.24wsbtw., what's funny, I rolled a lock (just low level)
21:49.39ws... and the imp's name in Polish resembles something really inaccurate
21:49.52wsit's somewhat connotated with male organs
21:50.05wsbut I find this one funny, fits an imp at least
21:50.21wsnot sure if I'm going to play this character anyway as I called him "Nerfie"
21:50.31wsthat's the part I find most difficult - finding a good name for an avatar
21:52.46Kirkburn|afkPzyk, what kind?
21:54.04Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Horde#.22Weak_links.22
21:54.07Bagginswwread that kirkburn
21:56.26Kirkburn|afkyes, mom
21:56.48Kirkburn|afk:P
21:56.53Kirkburn|afkOoh, he's SoL-ing?
21:57.36Bagginswwalso I'm checking but doesn't hte intro for orcs call them "savage"
21:57.38Bagginswwin wow
21:58.30Kirkburn|afkI don't remember
22:01.30Bagginswwjust checked not in the intro
22:01.44Bagginswwcalls them brutal orcs int he selection screen
22:03.14ws<PROTECTED>
22:03.17Bagginswwwhat's up with the roleplayers?
22:03.32Bagginswwthey annoy me
22:03.44Bagginswwit would be one thing if they kept it to the game...
22:03.47Bagginswwbut bring it into real life...
22:04.01dreamss2they take it to far :P
22:04.07dreamss2there is a line, i dont know where
22:04.14dreamss2but they def cross it
22:04.38wsbut it seems it violates two points -- "Are references to very well known people, characters, places, or icons from popular culture and media (i.e. Sangoku, Corum, Jabbathehutt)" and ''Contain "Leet" or "Dudespeak"'' (this "lil" part)
22:04.58wsyeah, roleplayers live in a different reality
22:05.15wssame with guys obsessed with star trek
22:06.00pcjwhat
22:06.05pcjwhat's wrong with star trek
22:06.23dreamss2i like the lore but its just a story
22:06.49Bagginswwactually kirkburn HPG is set during WoW
22:07.30dreamss2hpg
22:08.07wspcj, if somebody's patient enough to watch 278334 episodes, there's something wrong with him
22:08.22pcjnot really
22:08.25dreamss2no shit
22:08.25pcjit only takes a few weeks
22:08.46pcjand there's only like 700ish episodes
22:08.54dreamss21 ep of st is to much alrleady
22:09.12dreamss2i stick to 26 shows max series :P
22:10.25Kirkburn|afkBagginsww, ah okay
22:10.34Kirkburn|afkBut before TBC of course :P
22:10.44Bagginswwvery close to TBC ya
22:10.52Bagginswwit has its references to the blood elves
22:11.04Bagginswwjuts about to join
22:11.50Bagginswwin game wise as you might now the kalimdor horde hasn't automagically changed since blood elves joined though
22:11.53DuTempetesee ya'll tomorrow!
22:11.53Bagginsww*know
22:12.17Bagginswwlimits of tauren technology is to the lifts. That's party because they choose not to have more technology
22:12.27Bagginswwto prevent problems for the environment
22:13.43Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Techslayer
22:13.49Bagginswwand that doesn't help the Horde out ;)
22:14.07Bagginswwwhen there are Horde that see science as inheriently destructive and try to eliminate it
22:14.16Bagginswwlike some kind of violent luddite
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22:17.11Kirkburn|afkBtw, people, take the test! http://www.politicalcompass.org/
22:17.23Kirkburn|afkI want to see if I should like you :P
22:18.06Kirkburn|afkAlthough the results are missing the 5th quadrant "People banned from WoWWiki" who don't get to be liked, whatever their views ^^
22:22.31BagginswwLOL
22:23.16BagginswwNo one chooses his or her country of birth, so it's foolish to be proud of it.
22:23.17Bagginswwlol
22:23.32Bagginswwin europe its pretty easy to leave the country if you odn't like it ;)
22:23.42Bagginswwleave a country
22:23.59Bagginswwunless you don't like the european union :p
22:24.04Kirkburn|afkheh
22:24.41Bagginswwanycase I'm overall proud of my country, there are things I'm not proud of course :p
22:24.48wsheck, cannot answer this one:
22:24.50ws"Military action that defies international law is sometimes justified."
22:24.55wsas I don't believe in "international law"
22:25.11wsbut I believe that there's no progress without war
22:25.25BagginswwI think it means torture
22:25.31Bagginswwwould you torture someone?
22:25.50Bagginswwthere are ways to get information without physical or mental torture
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22:26.04wsah, I see
22:26.34Bagginswwthere are ways to torture people without actually torturng them too, that international law allows
22:26.47Bagginswwfor example witholding somethign theyw ant
22:26.56Bagginswwjust having it right beyond their reach
22:27.06Bagginswwand moving it close and then pulling it back
22:27.14Bagginswwlike a glass of soda or something
22:27.49Bagginswwanother form is having them stand between crowched and standing so they have to balance on their calve
22:27.52Bagginsww*calves
22:27.59Bagginswwits very tiring
22:28.10Bagginswwbut not physically delibilitating
22:28.56wsactually, I used Chineese tortures today
22:29.00wson my girlfriend
22:29.05wsfrom what I heard, they used to tickle people
22:29.31Bagginswwthat can be the worst kind of torture :)
22:29.54Bagginswwits got pcychological and physical components
22:29.59wsI misunderstood that question at first as if it meant "is it okay to attack a country if it doesn't abide to international law?"
22:30.09SroshMh, Economic Left/Right: -6.00,
22:30.10SroshSocial Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.56, right there with Ghandi & Castro. Lol.
22:30.24wsbut then, I don't believe in "international law", only in pacts between countries that actually sign these pacts
22:30.54SroshInternational law is a good concept unfortunately what is called international law at the moment isn't really that.
22:31.39BagginswwGhandi didn't believe in passive resistence if it was hopeless endeavor. He knew there were people like Hitler that wouldn't listen to passive resistance. But he knew the british believed at a moral level in people's rights. So it was the right time to use passive resistance. At least according to his grandsom.
22:31.42SroshAnd yeah, that question bothered me too. There's just so much wrong with it that I can't really honestly answer it.
22:32.01Bagginswwso yes there are times to fight back and times to be passive
22:32.09Bagginswwdepends on the circumstances
22:32.38Bagginswwmost of these polls need a no comment option
22:33.28SroshIndeed, strongly disagree/disagree/agree/strongly agree just doesn't cut it.
22:35.53Kirkburn|afkSrosh, similar to my co-ords!
22:36.05Kirkburn|afkI was a little less communist and a bit more anarchic though
22:36.20Kirkburn|afkBtw, http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/User_talk:Kirkburn :P
22:37.19wsEconomic Left/Right: 5.88
22:37.20wsSocial Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.00
22:37.22wsthat's what I got
22:37.36Kirkburn|afkO_O
22:37.49Kirkburn|afkWow, 0.00 is quite an acheivement :P
22:38.45Bagginswwwhat happens if your 50/50?
22:38.48Bagginsww*you are
22:38.57BagginswwIs that even possible?
22:39.21Bagginswwkirkburn I might do the poll later, but busy right now
22:39.25SroshHm, is the amount of questions even or uneven?
22:39.34Bagginswwno idea
22:39.37wsI actually thought I'm more headed upwards
22:39.42wson "Authoritarian" axis
22:40.09Bagginswwproblem I see with these polls is they seem to be on a dichotomous system
22:40.11Kirkburn|afkThat you were futher to the right than Bush scares me :P
22:40.22Bagginswwonly two choices but some people can have elements of both sides
22:40.22Kirkburn|afkBagginsww, four way graph :)
22:40.33Bagginswwits four way?
22:40.41Kirkburn|afkquadchotomous? :P
22:40.49SroshYe, two-dimensional.
22:40.50Bagginswwthat's ok ;)
22:40.53Bagginswwfour way is good
22:41.04Kirkburn|afkAye, see http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2
22:41.07Bagginswwit means there is room to be in the middle of something
22:41.19SroshIt treads economic and social differently.
22:41.39wswait, are you all commies? lol ;-)
22:41.40SroshWhich is good, because the old left/right is totally misleading.
22:41.42Bagginswwit would be very hard to hit the point in the middle LOL
22:41.47Bagginswwunless your dead
22:41.52Bagginsww*you are
22:41.53wsnah, no offence
22:42.06SroshNo, "commies" are up left, I'm down left. :P
22:42.11Bagginswwlol
22:42.12wsI agree wholeheartedly Srosh
22:42.25wsbut in Poland it's even worse
22:42.34wsas "left" vs "right" has nothing to do with this even
22:42.43Bagginswwdemocrat/republican system is far to dichotmous at least for how people view you
22:42.55SroshYe, Hitler & Stalin got more in common than most people think/know.
22:43.10Bagginswwits not truly dichotamous as there are liberals and conserviatives in both sides
22:43.11wsit just divides people who used to rule during communism here (the left) vs those who started their politic careers legally afterwards
22:43.22wswell, not communism but socialism
22:43.48wsanyway, these ex-socialists are sometimes much less open to free market than some political parties here that are waay more socialistic
22:44.03wsand yet, it's still them who are considered the left wing
22:44.16Bagginswwwhy does the spotlight have a huge gold selling picture?
22:46.19wsSrosh:  actually, what amazes me is that fascism has such bad connotations compared to communism
22:46.28wsSrosh:  Stalin killed more people than Hitler
22:46.42wsand actually, Hitler was a socialist
22:46.45SroshHowever, over more years, but anyway.
22:46.57SroshYep, quite ironically.
22:47.37Bagginswwits possible to be a fascist socialist.
22:47.56wsyes
22:47.58SroshYep, it is.
22:48.02wsthat's the upper left on this diagram
22:48.03wslike...
22:48.06wswell... the current Pope
22:48.10BagginswwLOL
22:48.21Bagginswwhe's creepy, in a gothic vampire sort of way
22:49.00SroshThing is, and luckily for all of us, the vatican has lost much of his former power, so it keeps pretty low.
22:49.33Bagginswwya
22:49.41Bagginswwunless the UN decides to give it more power, :p
22:49.52Bagginswwbut UN is more worried about its own new age world church
22:50.05Bagginswwarc of whatevers its called
22:50.11Bagginsww*ark
22:50.35SroshDoesn't ring a bell,
22:50.37BagginswwEarth Charter ark of the Gaia Covenent or something like that
22:51.01BagginswwArk of Hope
22:51.06Bagginswwhttp://www.arkofhope.org/
22:52.05Bagginswwcheap impression of the ark of the covenant
22:52.27Bagginsww*imitation
22:52.59SroshHm, and where's the connection to the UN?
22:54.01wsI think I read something about it somewhere, it mentioned some European Union politicians
22:54.12wsI can't say for sure though
22:54.25Bagginswwnot sure, when I first read about it was pretty sure they said the UN's earth charter
22:55.40Bagginswwhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Charter
22:55.49BagginswwThe idea of a Charter originated in 1987, when the United Nations World Commission on Environment and Development called for a new charter to guide the transition to sustainable development. In 1992, the need for a charter was urged by then-Secretary General Boutros Boutros-Ghali at the Rio de Janeiro Earth Summit, but the time for such a declaration was not right. The Rio Declaration became the statement of the achievable consens
22:55.50Bagginswwus at that time. In 1994, Maurice Strong (Chairman of the Earth Summit) and Mikhail Gorbachev, working through organizations they each founded (Earth Council and Green Cross International respectively), restarted the Earth Charter as a civil society initiative, with the help of the Government of the Netherlands. The initial drafting and consultation process drew on hundreds of international documents.
22:57.05wslol
22:57.33wstake a look at the first and the last sentence
22:57.53ws"The idea of a Charter originated in 1997. [...] The initial drafting and consultation process drew on hundreads of international documents."
22:57.59Bagginswwya it changed over time
22:58.32BagginswwNot sure if UN ever signed the charter or not
22:58.50SroshGuess not.
22:59.25SroshOr if they did, it wouldn't have any value to it. :p
23:08.31BagginswwSynopsis: The Titans revisit the worlds they created, in an attempt to "fix" the "anomalies" they have encountered. The anomalies , like Dwarves, are the humanoid races, and "fixing" means eliminating them. Therefore all races must unite in the ultimate war against their Creatores themselves.
23:08.31BagginswwRelated areas: entire old Azeroth revisited and refurbished. In particular, around the Dwarven digs: Bael Modr, Uldum, Wetlands, Darkshore, etc.
23:08.31BagginswwRelated opposing forces: Titan Pantheon
23:08.31BagginswwRelated playable races: no new races
23:08.35Bagginswwuh huh
23:08.56pcjgah foxlit was on :|
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23:10.37ThraeOh well.
23:14.28wsI'm now going to see if Rhahk'Zor is soloable on level 28
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23:25.06wsnot yet, lol

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