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| 00:13.41 | Kirkburn | Lol, never seen http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/10/around-azeroth-zeppelin-crash/ before |
| 00:13.45 | foxlit | Can one of you prod 66.225.217.238 with ftp? |
| 00:14.07 | foxlit | Just want to know if it responds, or denies the connection altogether |
| 00:15.48 | MatthewS | conn refuse |
| 00:16.07 | Kirkburn | I would but my PC is filling all the RAM for no apparent reason |
| 00:17.10 | foxlit | Hm, that's what I get as well. So someone killed ftpd on that machine :/ |
| 00:18.49 | Kirkburn | Oh, apparently my PC was updating - thanks for telling me, PC! |
| 00:19.28 | Kirkburn | bbiab |
| 00:20.28 | foxlit | Wonder what's with hosting support stuff always asking for your login credentials |
| 00:20.51 | foxlit | "What's that, you get connection refused with ftp? What's your username and password?" |
| 00:21.12 | Kaso | they ask for your password? |
| 00:21.17 | foxlit | stuff=staff, I'm way too tired. |
| 00:21.23 | foxlit | Yes :/ |
| 00:21.36 | Kaso | tell em to piss off |
| 00:21.38 | foxlit | And those people host my website. :/ |
| 00:21.39 | foxlit | I did. |
| 00:21.49 | Kaso | hehe |
| 00:22.06 | foxlit | #doitempage Bardbed Gill Trout |
| 00:22.27 | Kaso | The FTP port on your server is closed but not stealthed so its actively replying to requests and resetting the connection. |
| 00:22.28 | Foxbot | Sorry, foxlit, I can't find the item. |
| 00:22.52 | foxlit | Yeah, someone somewhere screwed up |
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| 00:41.30 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Gryphen] by ChanServ |
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| 00:58.50 | DuTempete | woah... |
| 00:59.16 | DuTempete | So, I'm minding my own business, playing my game (And frequently wishing I had the time to do more wiki shiz)... |
| 01:00.15 | DuTempete | And somebody tells me Wowhead got sold to Affinity media. :( |
| 01:00.33 | Gryphen | yup |
| 01:00.53 | DuTempete | Scary... |
| 01:00.58 | Thrae | DuTempete: Welcome to two weeks ago! Did you cover up your cave with a boulder on the way out? |
| 01:01.13 | DuTempete | Oh, well aren't you pleasant, Thrae... |
| 01:01.35 | Thrae | DuTempete: To answer your questions: 1) Yes, 2) No, 3) Affinity is longer affiliated with IGE, 4) zeeg, 5) Sometimes |
| 01:02.09 | zeeg | wait |
| 01:02.10 | zeeg | zeeg |
| 01:02.12 | foxlit | Affinity is evil: http://www.wow-insider.com |
| 01:02.22 | zeeg | Thrae, did you not read all that crap about Affinity ? |
| 01:02.28 | foxlit | Well, them or zam. |
| 01:02.38 | Thrae | DuTempete: You're just the 3098308th person who thinks this a bad thing, because of all the stuff zeeg is spouting. |
| 01:02.58 | DuTempete | Did I say I thought it was a bad thing? |
| 01:03.08 | Gryphen | Thrae jumping the gun |
| 01:03.27 | zeeg | Thrae, it has nothing to do with me, dont be an ass |
| 01:03.31 | Thrae | DuTempete: You did with the :(, or perhaps I did not read your face right! ;) |
| 01:03.35 | zeeg | i dont spout the shit, i point out the people who are |
| 01:03.41 | foxlit | Hm, so it's actually zam |
| 01:03.44 | zeeg | well, i spout it too, but what I say is true :P |
| 01:03.56 | foxlit | wow-insider.com Created on: 12-Dec-05 |
| 01:04.39 | foxlit | And the real wowinsider.com on 08-nov-2005 |
| 01:05.02 | Thrae | wow-insider.com redirects me to Allakhazam...oh wait, wowinsider.com. |
| 01:05.25 | foxlit | Indeed. |
| 01:06.44 | foxlit | So, jumping to sensationalist headlines: "Why is *zam domainsquatting wowinsider?" |
| 01:07.23 | Gryphen | why not? |
| 01:07.25 | DuTempete | I'm just not comfortable with the situation |
| 01:08.10 | foxlit | Why not? It's not _polite_ :) |
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| 01:08.16 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Kirkburn] by ChanServ |
| 01:08.17 | DuTempete | It doesn't look like AM has really dissasociated itself with IGE, and regardless if ZAM is a child company, and not directly related, it's the association that bothers me. |
| 01:08.32 | Gryphen | they dont make money being polite :) |
| 01:09.06 | Thrae | DuTempete: "...but as a guy who's running the content business, I'm pretty pleased that we're no longer running IGE." |
| 01:09.16 | zeeg | Thrae, so they dont run IGE, does IGE run them? |
| 01:09.24 | Gryphen | anyone can say that Thrae, doesnt mean it is true |
| 01:09.32 | DuTempete | If AM had really sold IGE, it would have been documented, and it isn't, Thrae. |
| 01:09.37 | zeeg | I jsut find it amusing how easy they make it to point out the obvious associations between IGE/Zam yet some people still flat out deny it |
| 01:09.43 | DuTempete | According to what my fiance has been reading. |
| 01:09.50 | Thrae | DuTempete: The abscence of truth does not make it truth. |
| 01:10.02 | zeeg | exactly |
| 01:10.06 | DuTempete | Running and Association are two different things. |
| 01:10.09 | Kirkburn | Here's the problem - no one has real proof, but pretty much anyone involved with them says one thing |
| 01:10.10 | zeeg | wheres the truth in zam not being associated with IGE? |
| 01:10.24 | Thrae | However, there is NOT an absence of truth when it comes to the affiliations of Affinity and IGE -- numerous interviews have said they have been tied. |
| 01:10.26 | DuTempete | Thrae, it legally HAS to be documented when a child company is sold. |
| 01:10.37 | Gryphen | Thrae that doesnt make truth |
| 01:10.40 | DuTempete | They can say all they want, Thrae. |
| 01:10.46 | zeeg | youi can interview me |
| 01:10.48 | Gryphen | they can say what they want to glaze things over |
| 01:10.49 | zeeg | ill say IGE still owns Zam |
| 01:10.56 | zeeg | :) |
| 01:10.58 | Kirkburn | Depends on where the company is based |
| 01:11.04 | zeeg | Kirkburn, i didnt start thhis convo just fyi :D |
| 01:11.10 | Thrae | zeeg: You have absolutely no credibility when it comes to the inner workings of Affinity and IGE, vs the people that actually run them. |
| 01:11.10 | Kirkburn | good :) |
| 01:11.16 | zeeg | I don't? |
| 01:11.24 | Gryphen | what makes them more credible? |
| 01:11.26 | zeeg | Do you know how announced the sale of IGE? |
| 01:11.27 | Thrae | zeeg: No, not unless you work there right now. |
| 01:11.28 | zeeg | <-- |
| 01:11.34 | zeeg | ive never worked there |
| 01:11.35 | foxlit | "Are you a gangster boss, Mr. Capone?" |
| 01:11.37 | zeeg | how do I know anything? |
| 01:11.39 | zeeg | err |
| 01:11.41 | zeeg | sale of alla |
| 01:11.42 | zeeg | sorry :) |
| 01:12.10 | DuTempete | As far as I can tell, the only people who "confirmed" the sale of IGE, was Alla's... |
| 01:12.15 | Thrae | Gryphen: An insider can lie, but they still have more -credibility- then someone who's an outsider. |
| 01:12.23 | foxlit | "No, of course not, whatever gave you that idea?" ("Have that guy shot, he asks too many questions!") |
| 01:12.27 | Thrae | Gryphen: That is, until it's proven they have lied. |
| 01:12.29 | DuTempete | Well, at least you're admitting they can lie... |
| 01:12.38 | Thrae | Anyone can lie. zeeg could be lying. |
| 01:12.42 | zeeg | I could be |
| 01:12.45 | zeeg | and I don't work there, so I can't say 100% |
| 01:12.50 | zeeg | but I can point out the BIG obvious |
| 01:12.52 | Thrae | I could be lying, and working for Affinity as some type of weird IRC PR guy. |
| 01:12.52 | DuTempete | Well, if there really is no record of the sale of IGE, then there's your proof. |
| 01:13.05 | Kirkburn | Again, depends on where the company is based |
| 01:13.13 | zeeg | affinity is a delware company isnt it |
| 01:13.16 | foxlit | Why care, anyway? |
| 01:13.18 | DuTempete | I'm already assuming you're not very trustworthy, Thrae. =P |
| 01:13.32 | Thrae | DuTempete: "no record", "no record" -- where do you get this information? |
| 01:13.47 | DuTempete | Sec, I can get the link for you. |
| 01:13.52 | foxlit | If they wanted to distance themselves from IGE, they could disclose details of whatever private deal they had, since the deal is basically complete? |
| 01:14.25 | Thrae | foxlit: 99.99% of their userbase doesn't really care, it's just the conspiracy nuts really ;) |
| 01:14.34 | Gryphen | made up number |
| 01:14.38 | zeeg | Thrae, big time made up number |
| 01:14.44 | zeeg | have you seen how many anti-ige groups there are? :P |
| 01:14.56 | Kirkburn | If they cared, Thott, Alla and Wowhead would not have the users it has |
| 01:15.00 | DuTempete | Kirkburn, do you have an example of what you're talking about? |
| 01:15.04 | Thrae | Kirkburn makes the point |
| 01:15.12 | foxlit | There are few alternatives |
| 01:15.13 | Kirkburn | In fact, if they cared, you would have seen a downturn in Thott visits - but you didn't |
| 01:15.15 | zeeg | Kirkburn, there are still a lot that do care though |
| 01:15.17 | foxlit | And it takes time. |
| 01:15.22 | zeeg | thott has been losing visits :) |
| 01:15.27 | DuTempete | However, Thott and Alla's user bases have dropped, lately. |
| 01:15.33 | Thrae | Thott has been losing visits to Wowhead |
| 01:15.49 | DuTempete | Who wasn't owned by anyone associated by IGE, until recently, Thrae. |
| 01:15.50 | Thrae | I stopped using Thott not because of IGE, but because Wowhead was a hell of a lot better |
| 01:15.51 | Gryphen | DuTempete how do you know that? |
| 01:15.55 | Kirkburn | Not according to http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=www.thottbot.com |
| 01:15.56 | foxlit | Plus, for bonus points, increased wow playerbase means that nobody has to be losing visitors |
| 01:16.14 | DuTempete | By talking to players. |
| 01:16.20 | Thrae | DuTempete: That doesn't prove anything and you should know that. Wowhead is an amazingly cool site compared to Thott, lots of people -are- saying that. |
| 01:16.49 | Thrae | Thott is slower then Wowhead for one, and I find buggier. |
| 01:16.50 | Kirkburn | (I'm actually confused as to who is on what side atm - probably a good thing!) |
| 01:17.03 | Gryphen | whead is slower than thott imho |
| 01:17.09 | foxlit | My personal position is that I simply don't care |
| 01:17.13 | Gryphen | more click to get what you want too |
| 01:17.16 | Thrae | Gryphen: Well I retract that then -- might be my proximity to Wowhead's servers |
| 01:17.27 | foxlit | hosts filtering means that I'm an unprofitable visitor to practically every website |
| 01:17.33 | Thrae | Not had that experience Gryphen, but I disgress |
| 01:17.43 | foxlit | Who cares if IGE or Affinity or someone else is losing money? :) |
| 01:17.53 | Kirkburn | More click but less scroll :P I think both ways work well tbh |
| 01:18.30 | Gryphen | i just dislike whead because they solicited the sale prior to ige split, they built the db to make money. thott was approached, he did the site as a fan. |
| 01:18.38 | Thrae | foxlit: I think some are attacking the principle of the thing, even though Affinity has stated that when they did own IGE, the market was getting worse and worse |
| 01:19.02 | zeeg | thrae, do you know why wowhead was better? competition |
| 01:19.07 | zeeg | now who are they competing against? |
| 01:19.21 | DuTempete | If I was ok with what I've heard about the IGE selling, I wouldn't mind this. |
| 01:19.37 | DuTempete | But I'm not, so I'm bothered by it. |
| 01:19.47 | Thrae | Gryphen: What's wrong with making money off your work? I'm sure a huge amount of time and effort when into Wowhead, and some people don't have the luxury. |
| 01:20.01 | Thrae | DuTempete: Did you ever link that source? |
| 01:20.02 | Kirkburn | Wh, Thott and Alla are still competing because they have different employees |
| 01:20.14 | Kirkburn | If one of the sites falls back, the employees get fired |
| 01:20.18 | Kirkburn | Therefore, they are competing |
| 01:20.19 | DuTempete | I'm waiting on my fiance to give me the link... he's in the middle of something. |
| 01:20.20 | zeeg | Kirkburn, only because they haven't been able to merge them yet :) |
| 01:20.27 | Kirkburn | Oh, bullcrap |
| 01:20.33 | Thrae | zeeg: You're spouting conspiracy theories again |
| 01:20.38 | Gryphen | my problem is the spin, they took advantage of the ige sale after the fact, they werent concerned when 'they' approaced affinity |
| 01:20.40 | zeeg | no this one you can prove |
| 01:20.45 | zeeg | Zam had been dead for months |
| 01:20.49 | zeeg | only recently had they been active again |
| 01:20.56 | DuTempete | I think if they intended on merging the DBs, they would have a long time ago. |
| 01:20.58 | zeeg | they've been showing off zam like crazy recently |
| 01:21.05 | zeeg | DuTempete, its not as simple as redirecting some users :) |
| 01:21.28 | Thrae | zeeg: You mean this one you can give some good points on, but NOT prove. Unless you wish to warp all that is critical thinking, reasoning, and logic, and make Carl Sagan roll over in his grave. |
| 01:21.32 | DuTempete | I'm not claiming it's easy, Zeeg. |
| 01:21.55 | DuTempete | I wish you wouldn't be so inflammatory, Thrae. |
| 01:22.02 | zeeg | Thrae, I can prove that a loss of visitors is something no company can take lightly, and that merging the sites requires a lot of effort, and precision |
| 01:22.04 | DuTempete | It's rude. |
| 01:22.13 | zeeg | I can prove that the Zam network had not been active with media outlets until recently |
| 01:22.29 | Kirkburn | It's called PR, zeeg |
| 01:22.36 | zeeg | I know all about PR :) |
| 01:22.43 | zeeg | and Zam was dead until recently :) |
| 01:22.48 | Kirkburn | If you're trying to get people to like you, you are obviously going to put yourself out there |
| 01:23.03 | Thrae | DuTempete: Pointing out an obviously fallacy is not rude, it is part of proper debate. If I was being rude, I would have said "zeeg you're a total liar and a miserable human being", which I do not personally believe, nor would I say such things. |
| 01:23.04 | zeeg | yes, but there's a reason they didn't do the "PR" 1 year ago |
| 01:23.14 | Kirkburn | Being a shady business has the exact problem of creating conspiracy theories :P |
| 01:23.45 | Kirkburn | Oh sure |
| 01:23.45 | zeeg | but you can't deny the facts |
| 01:23.46 | Kirkburn | The speculation, but yes |
| 01:23.50 | DuTempete | Personally, I doubt they will merge the DBs, each has it's own following, because they have such different UIs and abilities. |
| 01:24.00 | zeeg | that while msot of the Zam properties claim IGE isn't connected, the company still publicly shows itself as connected |
| 01:24.14 | Thrae | DuTempete: However, zeeg is saying he can -prove- something, but you have to have credible evidence to prove something. And I've debated with zeeg before, and not once has he provided real credible evidence. If you feel I am mistaken with the rules of debate, please lookup Critical Reasoning and point out my fallacy. |
| 01:24.16 | zeeg | DuTempete, they closed parts of OGaming when they purchased alla |
| 01:24.24 | Kirkburn | Which parts? |
| 01:24.33 | Thrae | zeeg: Source? |
| 01:24.43 | zeeg | Kirkburn, I can't actually remember the article where they detailed the documents |
| 01:24.59 | DuTempete | Thrae: "Unless you wish to warp all that is critical thinking, reasoning, and logic, and make Carl Sagan roll over in his grave" <--- is uncalled for, and your attitude towards me since I logegd in has also been rude, and I don't appreciate it. |
| 01:25.28 | Thrae | zeeg: You're not going to convince the wise if you don't include sources. |
| 01:25.29 | zeeg | it was related to company shares and some other stuff |
| 01:25.34 | zeeg | Thrae, look them up yourself |
| 01:25.37 | zeeg | Google has great relevancy :) |
| 01:25.39 | Gryphen | thott is attempting to regain ownership of the site, i doubt the current contracts would allow a db merge |
| 01:25.54 | DuTempete | Where did you hear about that, Gryph? |
| 01:25.56 | Thrae | zeeg: I'm not trying to convince you, I doubt that'll ever happen, regardless of my sources. |
| 01:26.04 | zeeg | your sources are wrong :) |
| 01:26.08 | Gryphen | I talk to Thott all the time |
| 01:26.18 | Thrae | zeeg: Your baseless accusations are, well, baseless. |
| 01:26.20 | zeeg | Gryphen, that actually kind of suprises me |
| 01:26.27 | Gryphen | why? |
| 01:26.28 | zeeg | Thrae, except my "sources", are actually sources :P |
| 01:26.36 | zeeg | Gryphen, didn't seem like he cared anymore |
| 01:26.40 | Thrae | zeeg: You have no proof you have any sources, since you're not supplying them! |
| 01:26.51 | zeeg | so this is now a supply your sources contest? -.- |
| 01:27.03 | pingdashf | ooh, looks like i alt-tabbed into a juicy conversation |
| 01:27.12 | Gryphen | zeeg he got caught up in playing, hes been more into the site lately and regaining control. there were a lot of broken promises he said. |
| 01:27.14 | Thrae | zeeg: Yes, sources are the pinnacle of a proper debate. |
| 01:27.14 | zeeg | oh |
| 01:27.27 | Thrae | Err sorry, -credible- sources. |
| 01:27.27 | zeeg | Thrae, so then you should include yours then, ya? :) |
| 01:27.36 | zeeg | that would only make sense |
| 01:28.09 | Thrae | zeeg: I only have to provide a source to counter your source, since you're the one making all the statements. I'm just saying I don't believe you, and saying you're making baseless accusations left and right. |
| 01:28.19 | zeeg | you brought up sources, come on now :) |
| 01:28.23 | zeeg | My sources are former employees |
| 01:28.32 | zeeg | and business colleagues |
| 01:28.44 | pingdashf | so many opportunities to pimp my site |
| 01:29.08 | Gryphen | wowlib i assume |
| 01:29.24 | Thrae | Perhaps I have business colleagues and former employees on my TMobile Fav 5 from IGE that say you don't really have the friends you say you have. |
| 01:29.40 | pingdashf | :) |
| 01:30.00 | Thrae | I don't see why you are that much more likely then I am to have inside information that is so top-secret, you can't reveal the sources and give public proof of the source. |
| 01:30.12 | zeeg | your tmobile fav5 know who zeeg is? |
| 01:30.14 | zeeg | :) |
| 01:30.23 | zeeg | my former boss is a source |
| 01:30.30 | zeeg | Gryphen can verify that one :) |
| 01:30.35 | Gryphen | My source is Thott. I told Kirk the sale was coming like a week before it happened. |
| 01:30.56 | Thrae | Frankly, I doubt the integrity of a New York Times reporter who won't reveal a source. |
| 01:31.12 | Thrae | Then again, I was never one for newspapers. |
| 01:31.54 | zeeg | I'm a reporter? |
| 01:32.01 | zeeg | Thott's a reporter? |
| 01:32.04 | zeeg | I'm not sure what you're implying |
| 01:32.06 | zeeg | My old boss is? |
| 01:32.07 | Thrae | I was making an analogy. |
| 01:32.16 | zeeg | I don't get the analogy :) |
| 01:32.52 | Kirkburn | Can I, like, ban discussion of this from the channel? |
| 01:32.56 | Thrae | A reporter is someone who reports on information from their sources. You are giving us information from your sources. It's the same kind of deal. |
| 01:33.31 | Kirkburn | At least, can I ask that people try to stay away from the topic - it's obviously a sensitive issue, and this isn't really getting anywhere |
| 01:34.46 | Thrae | zeeg: By the way, and I mean this in the nicest possible way, really, and I hope I'm not the only one, but I find -everyone- who puts :) at the end of all their sentences to be kinda annoying. I've always felt that it's kinda creepy and disturbing, like you're looking down on the person you're talking to. |
| 01:35.00 | Thrae | Well, 90% of their sentences |
| 01:35.18 | Thrae | Kirkburn: I'm talking about how creepy :) is at times, is that a change of topic? |
| 01:35.43 | pingdashf | shall we start ending all sentences in FTW! |
| 01:35.44 | Gryphen | it is not creepy (: |
| 01:35.45 | Kirkburn | It's good enough for me :P |
| 01:35.53 | Kirkburn | Gryphen, aaah, SilverSide did that |
| 01:35.57 | DuTempete | I like pie. FTW! |
| 01:36.09 | zeeg | Thrae, i did it to make it look like I wasn't being a dick |
| 01:36.11 | zeeg | :) |
| 01:36.15 | zeeg | haha |
| 01:36.17 | zeeg | sorry, had to |
| 01:36.57 | Thrae | Well, I look on emoticons like the person is making the face in-real-life. If a person has a huge smile on his face all while talking to you, isn't that a little creepy? |
| 01:37.43 | zeeg | depends, some people are happy people |
| 01:38.14 | Thrae | Your words can denote happiness by just not being rude or malicious, adding :) makes you overly happy, in my opinion. |
| 01:38.56 | Thrae | Or, worse, it makes you seem like you're looking down on the person, like the mere thought of the conversation is amusing. |
| 01:39.12 | DuTempete | I have a tendancy to say things that could be taken in a negative way, unless I ended the sentence with a :) |
| 01:39.33 | DuTempete | and, well, I'm just a happy-go-lucky kinda person ;) |
| 01:39.37 | DuTempete | so, I smile a lot ;) |
| 01:39.53 | Thrae | zeeg: 50% of the time I have encountered that type of usage of :) -constantly- during a discussion, the other person admits later they were looking down on me. And I've had a lot of debates in my IRC life. |
| 01:40.10 | Gryphen | made up number! |
| 01:40.14 | DuTempete | Thrae, that's a little obvious. |
| 01:40.16 | zeeg | lol |
| 01:40.22 | zeeg | I just didn't want to come off as too much of a prick |
| 01:40.24 | Thrae | DuTempete: Do tell? |
| 01:40.27 | zeeg | and the smiley face fixes that ;) |
| 01:40.41 | zeeg | btw -- http://www.curse.com/articles/details/2406/ |
| 01:40.46 | zeeg | our "mini-portals" what tdo you all think |
| 01:40.56 | DuTempete | And, yes, if you're disagreeing with someone, and they smile at you. It's usually for that reason. I would work on having conversations that aren't argumentative, more often. :) |
| 01:40.57 | Bibi | ^^ : happy |
| 01:41.01 | Bibi | :) : looking down |
| 01:41.26 | Kirkburn | Such wonders that anime brings to the world |
| 01:41.31 | Thrae | zeeg: Well I was just giving you the perspective of your behavior from another point of view. Just like DuTempete pointed out he thought I was being rude, so I explained the situation to him as best I could from my point of view, that I wasn't intending to be rude. |
| 01:41.43 | Bibi | Kirkburn doesnt have to use ":)" of course |
| 01:41.43 | Kirkburn | *she :O |
| 01:41.45 | Thrae | Kirkburn: Zero no Tsukiama S2! |
| 01:41.51 | DuTempete | Thanks, Kirk. =P |
| 01:41.57 | Bibi | You can hate him, even without any smiley |
| 01:41.58 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 01:42.07 | Bibi | He's a tea sucker anyway :( |
| 01:42.14 | Kirkburn | yum |
| 01:42.18 | DuTempete | Don't diss tea!!! |
| 01:42.21 | zeeg | bibi's french |
| 01:42.22 | Thrae | zeeg: You can feel I'm insane and ignore the point of view, or take it into account. It's your choice ;) <-- winking to denote humour attempt |
| 01:42.24 | zeeg | you can't believe anything he says |
| 01:42.36 | Thrae | DuTempete: Please, honestly, do tell me where I was being argumentitive. |
| 01:42.42 | DuTempete | Don't make me bring out the zen-loving smack-down! |
| 01:43.48 | Kirkburn | I think everyone was being argumentative, just in interesting combinations |
| 01:43.59 | Thrae | Kirkburn: I disagree with that! |
| 01:44.19 | Thrae | :) <-- denotes I am creepy |
| 01:44.28 | zeeg | I wasn't being argumentative |
| 01:44.30 | zeeg | I was being right ;) |
| 01:44.31 | *** kick/#wowwiki [Thrae!n=Kirkburn@82-32-40-219.cable.ubr06.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] by Kirkburn (Begone, creepy thing! :O) |
| 01:44.38 | *** join/#wowwiki Thrae (i=generalm@c-68-49-121-90.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 01:44.48 | Thrae | Doing a new /wjoin is annoying =/ |
| 01:44.50 | Kirkburn | Ohnoes! Teh creepy is back :( |
| 01:45.00 | Kirkburn | Turn on auto-rejoin, silly |
| 01:45.19 | Thrae | I don't believe in auto-rejoin -- most channels ban its use |
| 01:45.31 | zeeg | i turn it on |
| 01:45.33 | zeeg | if they ban me o well |
| 01:45.39 | zeeg | i cant be asked to rejoin if I get kicked |
| 01:45.41 | zeeg | at least not by hand |
| 01:45.47 | Gryphen | you get kicked from many channels Thrae? |
| 01:45.56 | Thrae | On most networks, it's considered impolite to have auto-rejoin turned on. |
| 01:46.12 | Thrae | Gryphen: Not often, no. Just been around on IRC for waaay too long. |
| 01:46.13 | Gryphen | ive never heard of that and been on most networks for 7 |
| 01:46.18 | Gryphen | years |
| 01:46.21 | Kirkburn | Not here. In fact here, it's quite important :P |
| 01:46.44 | DuTempete | Yeah, the admins are a little to friendly with the ban command... |
| 01:46.51 | Kirkburn | We don't ban :( |
| 01:46.58 | DuTempete | err boot |
| 01:47.02 | DuTempete | my bad |
| 01:47.09 | Thrae | Gryphen: Not EFNet, Dalnet, Undernet, IRCNet? I know the big channels usually say not to do auto-rejoin or they ban. |
| 01:47.18 | DuTempete | and you have banned... I was present for quite an amusing one, not too long ago. |
| 01:47.21 | Kirkburn | Intriguing |
| 01:47.35 | Thrae | Gryphen: And I'm not sure I have the logs around to prove I've been doing this since the BBS days... |
| 01:48.00 | Kirkburn | I believe you - can see reasons for it |
| 01:48.03 | Thrae | Mmmm, IRC on dial-up doesn't make much of a difference then today, really! Except that I'm in about 30 different channels across 4 different networks. |
| 01:48.10 | DuTempete | Remember the guy who asked a question, and didn't like the answer, so he started calling us fuckheads, or something juvenile, like that? |
| 01:48.14 | Kirkburn | Unless someone complains at me though, meh |
| 01:48.18 | Thrae | Kirkburn: Am I THAT sexually warped?!?! |
| 01:48.27 | Kirkburn | DuTempete, oh, maybe I do :) |
| 01:48.32 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 01:48.45 | Thrae | Granted, the first explanation of the birds & the bees was on an IRC channel when I was 12 |
| 01:48.50 | DuTempete | he kept logging back in on different names, too... That ban was very satisfying. =P |
| 01:49.05 | Thrae | Well I should say, the sorted particulars of the birds and the bees...very naughty, sorted particulars |
| 01:49.23 | Thrae | Ahh, the days of 1400 baud |
| 01:49.45 | Gryphen | 1400 is new |
| 01:49.46 | Gryphen | heh |
| 01:50.18 | Thrae | Gryphen: What did you start out with? 1 baud? :D |
| 01:50.40 | Kirkburn | I used two paper cups and a piece of string. |
| 01:50.49 | Kirkburn | And I was happy, dammit |
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| 01:51.09 | Thrae | For those unaware of baud ratios, 1400 baud == 1400 bits/sec == ~1.4kbit/s == <0 KB/s |
| 01:52.02 | Kirkburn | Why was "baud" used, anyway? |
| 01:52.25 | Kirkburn | Crap. EU servers are down. |
| 01:52.25 | Thrae | Kirkburn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baud <-- I was looking it up right now, in case I was wrong (been a long time) |
| 01:52.41 | Gryphen | 300 is earliest i remember |
| 01:53.05 | Thrae | Kirkburn: Essentially, the "baud" rate came from the "symbol" rate, which is not always the same as the bit rate. However, early modems had it at 1 bit per symbol. |
| 01:53.22 | Thrae | Gryphen: Yeah, but I didn't do IRC on that, obviously |
| 01:53.40 | Thrae | I think I had modems before 1400, but 1400 was really the start of my Internet addiction |
| 01:54.03 | Gryphen | not irc |
| 01:54.34 | pingdashf | I had a 2400 hooked up to 2m packet radio, does that make me geeky enough to join in this conversation? |
| 01:54.56 | Thrae | 300 baud == "Look, we may download that picture from the Smithsonian just in time for the NEXT Ice Age!" |
| 01:55.16 | Thrae | pingdashf: Only if you know what the hell that all is, then even if you didn't actually -do- it, yes |
| 01:55.39 | pingdashf | Thrae: I was, unfortunately, being serious :) |
| 01:55.46 | pingdashf | oh wait, no smiley's |
| 01:56.08 | Thrae | pingdashf: It's -constantly- smiley use on the end of like 99% of your sentences that creeps me out |
| 01:56.18 | Thrae | s/constantly/constant/ |
| 01:56.50 | Thrae | You are a Level 56 Geek if you regularly use sed notation before joining channels with sed bots in them |
| 01:57.06 | pingdashf | hrm, tempted to play with recursion checks in infobot's search and replace. |
| 01:57.12 | Kirkburn | Thrae, they have porn at the Smithsonian? |
| 01:57.22 | Thrae | I bet he's just like purl |
| 01:57.42 | pingdashf | infobot, thrae is teh pwn |
| 01:57.42 | infobot | ...but thrae is already something else... |
| 01:57.49 | pingdashf | yep, just like purl |
| 01:57.50 | Kirkburn | ~thrae |
| 01:57.50 | infobot | it has been said that thrae is awesome. |
| 01:57.50 | Gryphen | heh i remember ascii porn |
| 01:57.52 | Thrae | Kirkburn: Hah! No, Scott Adams said the Internet started out as a few sites, one of which was the Smithsonian w/ pictures of dinosaurs. |
| 01:58.03 | Thrae | Hmm, infobot must sync its database with purl |
| 01:58.05 | Thrae | ~ckknight |
| 01:58.06 | infobot | 05:02 <@ckknight> what do I get out of it? |
| 01:58.28 | pingdashf | ~w1zard |
| 01:58.29 | pcj | oh boy 8 updates for vista and 5 for office 2007 |
| 01:58.30 | Thrae | Kirkburn: And you can -always- trust Scott Adams -- he was responsible for ISDN! |
| 01:58.52 | Kirkburn | 5? I thought I only got two for Office |
| 01:59.03 | pingdashf | hrm, it doesn't know Randal, can't be synced with purl |
| 01:59.25 | Thrae | pingdashf: Interesting, but I just added the ckknight definition like 2 days ago, and only on purl |
| 01:59.29 | Kirkburn | pcj, do you have a big version of Office 2007? Like Professional? |
| 01:59.30 | Gryphen | i have 9 updates |
| 02:00.06 | pcj | uh ultimate |
| 02:00.11 | Kirkburn | Aha |
| 02:00.18 | pcj | i have an MSDN ultimate subscription :P |
| 02:00.27 | Kirkburn | Ooh, another app compatability update |
| 02:00.28 | pcj | or is it universal :S |
| 02:00.28 | pingdashf | maybe Randal changed his nick since the last time I was on #perl, been a while. |
| 02:00.52 | pingdashf | been a while since I was on eff |
| 02:01.04 | Kirkburn | *compatibility ... and it's got a pretty large list :) |
| 02:02.27 | Kirkburn | (look at the details for KB935280) |
| 02:04.13 | pcj | can't do that while it's updating |
| 02:04.19 | Kirkburn | >< |
| 02:04.29 | Kirkburn | You could search online though :P |
| 02:04.36 | pcj | that would require effort |
| 02:04.40 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 02:05.04 | Kirkburn | Btw, SP1 beta is planned to be dropped later this month |
| 02:05.15 | pcj | yes i know |
| 02:05.19 | pingdashf | people are actually running vista? |
| 02:05.27 | Gryphen | i am |
| 02:05.33 | pcj | i'm an MSDN subscriber, I get the pre-release stuff :P |
| 02:05.36 | Kirkburn | I have done since feb, and the beta since last september or so |
| 02:05.43 | Gryphen | on 5 comps |
| 02:05.48 | pingdashf | really? My client doesn't install properly on vista and I haven't had time to install a VPC to debug it. |
| 02:05.52 | Kirkburn | 5? Now that's just overkill :P |
| 02:05.57 | Gryphen | :) |
| 02:06.15 | pcj | are you upgrading or clean installing ping |
| 02:06.33 | pingdashf | uh, pcj, talking about a different client, not the game. |
| 02:06.42 | pcj | ohh |
| 02:06.53 | pingdashf | and i haven't actually tried it, just been told by users. |
| 02:06.56 | pcj | misread it, thought you were talking about vista somehow |
| 02:07.25 | pingdashf | I run OS X, and i technically COULD install Vista, but why run my pretty mac? |
| 02:07.35 | pingdashf | s/run/ruin/ |
| 02:07.36 | pcj | do you run it on an Intel machine? |
| 02:07.44 | pingdashf | yep |
| 02:07.55 | pcj | heh "I ruin OS X" |
| 02:08.01 | pingdashf | hrm, infobot doesn't like multiple search and replace |
| 02:08.15 | pingdashf | but that is probably a pretty accurate statement, I am harsh on my comps |
| 02:08.18 | Gryphen | pwned |
| 02:10.27 | DuTempete | ~Kirkburn |
| 02:10.28 | infobot | Author of the phunky font changing addons ClearFont and ClearFont2, and WoWWiki bureaucrat. Also likes kittens. |
| 02:10.36 | DuTempete | boooooo, infobot! |
| 02:11.18 | Kirkburn | :( |
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| 02:13.37 | Kirkburn | Not again! >< |
| 02:13.44 | pingdashf | for some reason i expect a nice hover on that |
| 02:14.02 | Kirkburn | Are you trying to ctrl+click it too? |
| 02:14.32 | pingdashf | yeah, it just brought a msg window |
| 02:15.01 | pcj | The Stoppable Force |
| 02:15.13 | pcj | and i forgot the brackets and completely screwed that up |
| 02:17.08 | Kirkburn | heh |
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| 02:22.37 | DuTempete | Well, I must say it was delightful to speak to many of you again. |
| 02:22.45 | DuTempete | I'm so sorry RL is keeping me away from the wiki :( |
| 02:22.50 | Gryphen | cant say the same |
| 02:22.55 | Gryphen | (: |
| 02:23.00 | Kirkburn | Cheeky! |
| 02:24.39 | DuTempete | Anywho, I'm off to bed! Sweet dreams, everyone! |
| 02:25.10 | Kirkburn | G'night |
| 02:30.00 | Gryphen | heh, [Kirkburn's Gear] now clickable :D |
| 02:30.15 | Kirkburn | o.O |
| 02:32.06 | Gryphen | mirc http://wowwiki.paste-bin.com/12090 |
| 02:32.52 | Gryphen | [Wildheart Vest] |
| 02:35.34 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 02:41.26 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/10/the-light-and-how-to-swing-it-i-leveled-a-holy-paladin/ |
| 02:47.56 | [NewsBot] | MMO Champion: 2.1.3 Patch mirrors, more PvP Changes - http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=448.0 |
| 03:06.06 | Gryphen | i wouldnt worry about fixing the sig pcj, unless you are bored |
| 03:06.11 | Gryphen | just delete the template |
| 03:07.48 | pcj | oh |
| 03:07.54 | pcj | well the sig is broken anyway |
| 03:08.02 | pcj | but i read that just as i finished |
| 03:08.10 | Gryphen | :) |
| 03:16.35 | pcj | WARNING: Ugly table alert! http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Leather_Fire_Resist |
| 03:35.56 | Kirkburn | MY EYES |
| 03:36.22 | pingdashf | omg |
| 03:36.30 | Kirkburn | pcj, was it linked at all? |
| 03:36.33 | pingdashf | I wanted to see just what a "ugly table" was |
| 03:37.04 | pcj | the pages i just changed kirk |
| 03:37.14 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/Resistance_equipment_%28leather_armor%29 |
| 03:37.21 | pcj | the...only...page |
| 03:37.51 | Kirkburn | Oh, you made it local |
| 03:38.14 | pcj | yeah...[[Category:Templates which should have been local]] is somewhat suggestive |
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| 03:38.15 | Kirkburn | Tis gone |
| 03:38.24 | Kirkburn | Mikk would be pleased :P |
| 03:38.34 | Kirkburn | Not that you know Mikk, but nvm |
| 03:38.52 | Kirkburn | pcj, you're doing great work, thanks |
| 03:39.17 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Leather_Shadow_Resist and other pages too kirk |
| 03:39.25 | pcj | check recent changes |
| 03:39.50 | Kirkburn | A more descriptive note than "delete it now please" might be useful though ;) |
| 03:40.19 | Kirkburn | ooh, blimey |
| 03:40.22 | pcj | the ugliness merits a quick deletion |
| 03:40.33 | Kirkburn | Lots to delete |
| 03:40.44 | Kirkburn | Well the making local is also good, heh |
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| 03:44.36 | Kirkburn | Gryphen, a change you made caused Help:Deleting pages |
| 03:44.36 | Kirkburn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.18 | pcj | well it IS a terrible page imo |
| 03:45.38 | Kirkburn | Blasphemy |
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| 03:50.09 | pcj | most worthless template ever: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Shaman-elementalmastery |
| 03:50.28 | pcj | kek http://www.wowwiki.com/Elemental_Mastery |
| 03:50.41 | pcj | /facepalm |
| 03:53.15 | pcj | you have to wonder what some people were thinking |
| 03:53.50 | Kirkburn | wtf |
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| 04:17.43 | youngbeanz | wowwiki!!! |
| 04:20.49 | pcj | WHAT |
| 04:21.39 | Kirkburn | youngbeanz, welcome |
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| 04:26.19 | pcj | hmm 155 days /played time |
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| 04:56.26 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/10/encrypted-text-the-art-of-the-stunlock/ |
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| 05:13.59 | Kirkburn | I want to highlight Wikia wikis on the Main Page |
| 05:14.26 | Kirkburn | But I'm not sure of a place it could go (*points to the channel topic for an example*) |
| 05:15.34 | Kirkburn | Ooh, I think I have an idea |
| 05:16.34 | Kirkburn | Wish I had windows in this room - I could watch the sunrise |
| 05:16.52 | Kirkburn | Or at least, a window that didn't face my landlord's side wall |
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| 05:37.12 | Gryphen | you can go wikia-overboard :) |
| 05:43.47 | Kirkburn | I added a post to the VP with link to dev versionb |
| 05:47.26 | [NewsBot] | GamePolitics: http://gamepolitics.com/2007/07/11/low-energy-level-at-microsoft-e3-press-briefing/ |
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| 06:28.30 | Kirkburn | pcj, just a quick note - going some of your older SDs - you didn't need to be quite so zealous with it - e.g. NPC pages with a single sentence aren't auto delete material |
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| 07:44.38 | MatthewS | ok |
| 07:45.14 | MatthewS | something weird broke |
| 07:45.39 | MatthewS | as in some template or something is going haywire and chewing up 100% of cpu periodically |
| 07:48.48 | Kirkburn | Odd |
| 07:48.55 | Kirkburn | When did the last spike happen? |
| 07:49.08 | Kirkburn | I've been deleting some stuff |
| 07:50.59 | MatthewS | for the last 6 hours? |
| 07:51.15 | Kirkburn | Er, not quite that long, no |
| 07:51.18 | Kirkburn | !jobqueue |
| 07:51.32 | Kirkburn | And lo |
| 07:51.39 | Kirkburn | Dead again |
| 07:52.01 | MatthewS | queue is down to 27k? |
| 07:52.23 | Kirkburn | Someone just edited Template:Quality >_> |
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| 07:53.34 | Kirkburn | !jobqueue |
| 07:53.38 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 27,542 |
| 07:53.42 | Kirkburn | Better :) |
| 07:54.02 | Kirkburn | In that [NewsBot] responded, not in the number :D |
| 07:57.25 | [NewsBot] | GamePolitics: http://gamepolitics.com/2007/07/11/economics-201-the-online-game/ |
| 07:57.27 | ThraeBot | http://tinyurl.com/ynmxft |
| 08:00.56 | Kirkburn | Thrae ? |
| 08:02.23 | MatthewS | hmm |
| 08:04.06 | MatthewS | whoa |
| 08:04.09 | MatthewS | new behavior! |
| 08:04.12 | MatthewS | not so awesome |
| 08:04.20 | Kirkburn|Vista | :O |
| 08:04.37 | MatthewS | php just segfaulted |
| 08:04.47 | MatthewS | and the site is down? |
| 08:04.51 | Kirkburn|Vista | yup |
| 08:10.21 | MatthewS | ok, site down. killing off a bunch of procs |
| 08:10.26 | MatthewS | interesting. |
| 08:10.55 | Kirkburn | Hope you have some luck :) |
| 08:12.47 | MatthewS | should be recovered |
| 08:13.15 | Arrowmaster | MatthewS: hey |
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| 08:13.26 | MatthewS | heya Arrow |
| 08:13.35 | Arrowmaster | get my pm the other day? |
| 08:13.50 | MatthewS | nope |
| 08:13.55 | MatthewS | what's up? |
| 08:14.03 | Arrowmaster | I cant seem to be able to get a confirmation email for my wowwiki account (Arrowmaster) and was told to talk to you |
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| 08:16.10 | Arrowmaster | ive checked and my email server shouldnt be blocking anything |
| 08:16.37 | Kirkburn | MatthewS, not getting anything :/ |
| 08:16.42 | Kirkburn | (server-wise) |
| 08:19.09 | MatthewS | arrow: i just reset the timer. |
| 08:19.53 | Arrowmaster | ok just requested a new confimation code |
| 08:20.39 | MatthewS | kirk: works for me? |
| 08:20.48 | Arrowmaster | nothing yet |
| 08:21.06 | Kirkburn | Hmm, worked when I moved to a new window |
| 08:21.46 | Kirkburn | nvm, guess it was my PC |
| 08:23.34 | MatthewS | you know if they do grey-listing? |
| 08:23.35 | Kirkburn | Site is very speedy :D |
| 08:23.44 | Arrowmaster | still nothing |
| 08:23.45 | Kirkburn | !jobqueue |
| 08:23.47 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 25,211 |
| 08:24.32 | Kirkburn | That Template:Quality change - does it need to be redone? |
| 08:25.13 | MatthewS | hmmm |
| 08:25.15 | MatthewS | interesting |
| 08:25.45 | Arrowmaster | afaik my provider doesnt do any filtering, running spamassassin but i enabled that myself |
| 08:26.15 | Arrowmaster | and only have it flag mesages not block them |
| 08:26.33 | MatthewS | oh...yeah...we have a problem :) |
| 08:26.46 | Kirkburn | It worries me you added a smiley |
| 08:27.36 | MatthewS | Arrow: one more time, can you request a resend. |
| 08:27.39 | MatthewS | I totally apologize |
| 08:27.43 | MatthewS | there was a dns issue. |
| 08:28.37 | Arrowmaster | k trying |
| 08:29.20 | Arrowmaster | nothing yet |
| 08:31.25 | Kirkburn | !jobqueue |
| 08:31.27 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 24,159 |
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| 08:41.21 | MatthewS | whoa |
| 08:47.58 | Kirkburn | Now what? :P |
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| 08:48.40 | Kirkburn | You can't say "whoa" and not follow it up :( |
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| 08:56.58 | sannse | scary when he does that... |
| 08:57.26 | [NewsBot] | GamePolitics: http://gamepolitics.com/2007/07/11/financial-analyst-pachter-bearish-on-take-two/ |
| 08:57.27 | ThraeBot | http://tinyurl.com/35kqv5 |
| 08:58.18 | sannse | Kirkburn: has there ever been any talk about switching the Village Pump to a wiki forum system? like the one on Central Wikia? |
| 08:58.51 | Kirkburn | It would be quite cool to do |
| 08:59.14 | Kirkburn | It hasn't really come up, because we've been so used to nothing major happening on the wiki :P |
| 08:59.19 | sannse | I find them /way/ easier to follow conversations in |
| 08:59.22 | sannse | heh |
| 08:59.47 | Kirkburn | So yeah, I think it would be excellent |
| 08:59.48 | sannse | even with "how do we lay out this category" it's a lot easier if it's organised instead of in one big page - imo |
| 09:00.34 | sannse | want me to set one up? there are some bits of css an all that I can't do (as we havn't sorted staff access) but I can do most of it... |
| 09:00.56 | Kirkburn | Yes please :) |
| 09:01.34 | sannse | will do it today then :) |
| 09:01.41 | Kirkburn | Btw, I don't know if there's anything you can help with on this, but this is basically the user requests we have - http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:SR |
| 09:02.07 | Kirkburn | (I added "forum" two days ago ^^) |
| 09:02.11 | sannse | ooh, handy |
| 09:02.45 | sannse | yes, I'll push on those, make sure they are all in hand |
| 09:02.49 | sneg | i guess this is old new now, but anyways for those who havent seen |
| 09:02.50 | sneg | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=174613179&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 09:02.51 | ThraeBot | http://tinyurl.com/278dry |
| 09:02.52 | Kirkburn | Awesome, thanks very much |
| 09:03.03 | Kirkburn | Thrae can you shut your bot up please |
| 09:03.28 | Kirkburn | Or at least stop it doing it to every link |
| 09:04.10 | Kirkburn | Resilience was just crits before, no? |
| 09:04.15 | sneg | yep |
| 09:04.24 | Kirkburn | Poor warlocks |
| 09:04.31 | sneg | shad. priests :/ |
| 09:04.46 | Kirkburn | Them too |
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| 09:13.36 | Kirkburn | Yay, my RAM has arrived |
| 09:33.06 | Bibi | OH, LOOK |
| 09:33.09 | Bibi | A vista user buying more RAM. |
| 09:33.12 | Bibi | What a surprise ! |
| 09:41.34 | Kirkburn | Argh, I got blue screens of death at first |
| 09:41.58 | Kirkburn | Now that I fiddled the BIOS (RAM timing were off I think) I've got to login |
| 09:42.18 | Kirkburn | Don't fail me now! |
| 09:42.37 | Kirkburn | Please DEAR FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER don't fail me now |
| 09:43.19 | Kirkburn | Vista on 2GB RAM. Quite similar to Vista on 1GB. |
| 09:43.46 | Kirkburn | Nope, not seeing any dancing clowns yet. |
| 09:44.20 | Kirkburn | Bibi, c'mon the PC is 4 years old, give it that much =) |
| 09:45.00 | Kirkburn | Yay, there goes Vista filling up the pagefile |
| 09:46.04 | Kirkburn | (btw, the only upgrade I've ever previous peformed was a gfx card) |
| 09:48.33 | sneg | :) |
| 09:49.43 | Kirkburn | Just hit 1GB usage ... that's as much RAM I had before :P |
| 09:51.32 | sneg | i got vista license but i dont want to upgrade yet |
| 09:51.33 | Kirkburn | Why? |
| 09:51.46 | Bibi | because it sucks, probably |
| 09:51.55 | sneg | because i see no advantage. + i got a gfx card that doesnt support dx10 |
| 09:52.11 | sneg | when crisis is gona be out, and ut and maybe some other cool games, maybe :) |
| 09:52.38 | Kirkburn | Fair enough |
| 09:53.15 | sneg | and it is quite common practice to wait for sp1 then change os |
| 09:53.40 | Kirkburn | I know - it's hardly a rational response |
| 09:53.55 | Kirkburn | But anyhoo |
| 09:54.00 | sneg | but i meean.... there is no harm in trying it out |
| 09:54.09 | sneg | and aero supposed to look cool :)_ |
| 09:54.31 | Kirkburn | bwahaha, my Index score for the PC went DOWN :D |
| 09:54.44 | Kirkburn | I went from 4.5 on RAM to 4.4 |
| 09:55.00 | Kirkburn | (though my CPU gets 4.1 anyway) |
| 09:55.15 | Kirkburn | Guess that's to be expected if you get cheap ram |
| 09:55.19 | Kirkburn | Oh and Aero is very cool |
| 09:55.29 | laurly | woot it works! http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Laurlybot/Sandbox/npc |
| 10:19.35 | Kirkburn | Sexeh |
| 10:20.24 | Kirkburn | The race line of the box has [[]] |
| 10:24.13 | laurly | thats the one thing i cant grab. |
| 10:24.17 | laurly | that and sex |
| 10:24.34 | laurly | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Laurlybot/Sandbox/npc <--- should i make a diffrent table "skinned" or something? |
| 10:27.35 | Kirkburn | Nah |
| 10:27.41 | Kirkburn | Skinning is quite homogenous |
| 10:28.01 | laurly | should i not list the skins under drops then? |
| 10:28.22 | Kirkburn | Hmm, I see what you mean actually |
| 10:28.50 | laurly | i have a table in the db where im adding world drops and im ignoring anything with a drop rate under 1% |
| 10:29.14 | laurly | im just wondering about the skins make a categorie for skinable mobs? |
| 10:29.17 | Kirkburn | I don't think skinning is that important |
| 10:29.25 | laurly | drump the skins then? |
| 10:29.36 | Kirkburn | A category might be enough, or just to say it's skinnable |
| 10:30.00 | Kirkburn | hmmm |
| 10:30.03 | Kirkburn | I dunno :( |
| 10:30.15 | Kirkburn | Perhaps it could be split into another table I guess |
| 10:30.33 | laurly | i've got the data its just a question of weither or not we want the data on the page. |
| 10:30.50 | Kirkburn | You could float it nest to the main drops one |
| 10:30.54 | Kirkburn | *next |
| 10:31.06 | sannse | Kirkburn: I just talked to Emil on the technical team. The forum code is causing slowness at the moment, so he doesn't want to risk putting it on wowwiki yet... but will do when the problems are resolved. Sorry! |
| 10:31.20 | Kirkburn | Aww, but the other stuff? =) |
| 10:31.35 | sannse | still talking to him about the best way to work on those :) |
| 10:31.44 | Kirkburn | laurly, given there's mobs for mining and herbalism, perhaps it is a good idea to have the drops |
| 10:31.50 | laurly | hmm if i do skins then im going to end up doing the mobs that are herbable and mineable in tbc :/ |
| 10:31.55 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 10:32.15 | laurly | ok so do we list it as a drop or make a diffrent table for it |
| 10:32.43 | Kirkburn | Different table I say |
| 10:33.02 | laurly | works for me. |
| 10:33.12 | Kirkburn | I'm off to have a nap, bbiab |
| 10:33.13 | laurly | im just happy i got the templateing working |
| 10:33.44 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 10:35.28 | laurly | hmm could even note quest items :) |
| 10:37.25 | [NewsBot] | GamePolitics: http://gamepolitics.com/2007/07/11/newsweeks-croal-is-talking-recall-for-xbox-360/ |
| 10:37.26 | ThraeBot | http://tinyurl.com/yvczyr |
| 10:37.40 | laurly | ok that bots getting annyoing |
| 10:42.17 | *** kick/#wowwiki [ThraeBot!n=Kirkburn@82-32-40-219.cable.ubr06.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] by Kirkburn (Come back when your owner is around) |
| 10:47.26 | [NewsBot] | GamePolitics: http://gamepolitics.com/2007/07/11/pennsylvania-legislature-looking-into-video-game-violence/ |
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| 11:20.49 | Taurmindo | where's foxbot? :( |
| 11:21.33 | Kaso | in foxlit's dungon performing unspeakable deeds. |
| 11:35.02 | laurly | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Laurlybot/Sandbox/npc :) |
| 11:35.16 | laurly | now thats just evil :) |
| 11:36.20 | laurly | we are going to have better orignsed info then throt and wowhead >:o) |
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| 11:37.31 | Sigu | lo |
| 11:45.34 | winkiller | sannse: http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Flotsam in case you don't watch it :) |
| 11:45.50 | sannse | thanks :) |
| 11:46.48 | sannse | one less bug report to write ;) |
| 11:50.16 | Kaso | Flotsam, what a wierd word to choose as a name |
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| 11:59.29 | winkiller | Kaso: you have no idea :P |
| 11:59.56 | winkiller | a) real name starts with Flo- and b) Flotsam & Jetsam isn't bad either |
| 12:00.23 | winkiller | oh, and c) Winkiller looks horrible imho, so no go |
| 12:00.27 | Kaso | hehe |
| 12:00.33 | Kaso | Floating trash? sounds pretty bad to me |
| 12:00.43 | Kaso | But the Name starting with Flo makes more sense |
| 12:00.54 | winkiller | in Heroes of Might and Magic the Flotsam always contained magical artifacts |
| 12:01.00 | winkiller | mayvbe I'm spoiled |
| 12:01.26 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/11/breakfast-topic-yay-druids/ |
| 12:01.26 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/10/the-light-and-how-to-swing-it-i-leveled-a-holy-paladin/ |
| 12:01.26 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/10/guildwatch-the-other-side/ |
| 12:01.26 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/10/mail-system-changes-ftw/ |
| 12:01.26 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/10/blue-notes-dots-to-be-affected-by-resil-no-gear-swapping-in-a/ |
| 12:01.26 | winkiller | I curse mediawiki to this day that all entries are capitalized |
| 12:01.33 | winkiller | worst design decision ever |
| 12:02.19 | Kaso | i curse wow insiders RSS feed! |
| 12:02.40 | winkiller | that to |
| 12:02.42 | winkiller | *o |
| 12:02.59 | winkiller | hm, ignore newsbot? what an idea |
| 12:03.20 | Kaso | but i like some of the interesting things he posts |
| 12:03.23 | winkiller | he does? |
| 12:03.34 | Kaso | i jut dont like it when he posts the same things ive seen the past day, all in one go |
| 12:04.34 | Kaso | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/10/around-azeroth-zeppelin-crash/ |
| 12:04.37 | Kaso | that was pretty interesting |
| 12:04.38 | Taurmindo | hey foxlit, i miss your bot. ;) |
| 12:04.43 | laurly | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Laurlybot/Sandbox/npc dump the poor quality stuff? |
| 12:04.49 | winkiller | hm, I have wowinsider in my feedreader |
| 12:04.56 | winkiller | so checking it anyway |
| 12:06.26 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/11/breakfast-topic-yay-druids/ |
| 12:06.38 | winkiller | [NewsBot]: you are supposed to be ignored, ffs! |
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| 12:12.52 | foxlit | Dump everything that isn't notable, laurly :) |
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| 12:15.00 | winkiller | got a recent example of an item page done, foxlit? |
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| 12:16.03 | pcj | #doitempage Hollow Wing Bone |
| 12:16.05 | Foxbot | Tooltip saved, pcj. View at: http://www.wowwiki.com/Hollow_Wing_Bone |
| 12:16.42 | foxlit | Coif of Elements |
| 12:16.44 | winkiller | #doitempage Heavy Clefthoof Boots |
| 12:16.51 | Foxbot | Tooltip saved, winkiller. View at: http://www.wowwiki.com/Heavy_Clefthoof_Boots |
| 12:17.13 | winkiller | yuck, that looks weird |
| 12:17.33 | foxlit | Yeah, Clefthoof set page needs to be fixed. |
| 12:17.50 | winkiller | well, it had old stuff |
| 12:18.08 | pcj | #doitempage Great Lionseye |
| 12:18.09 | Foxbot | Sorry, pcj, I can't find the item. |
| 12:19.08 | pcj | #doitempage 32210 |
| 12:19.09 | winkiller | hm, when I edit it, it looks nothing like the output |
| 12:19.09 | Foxbot | Crashed while getting item data. Is armory up? |
| 12:20.23 | winkiller | ah, it somehow includes the set |
| 12:20.54 | winkiller | #doitempage Strength of the Clefthoof |
| 12:20.56 | Foxbot | Sorry, winkiller, I can't find the item. |
| 12:23.33 | winkiller | what structure do set pages have to have? |
| 12:23.49 | Taurmindo | on the looks of it; none. |
| 12:24.24 | foxlit | Bot doesn't do set pages (yet) |
| 12:24.36 | foxlit | #dolist Heavy Clefthoof Leggings, Heavy Clefthoof Vest |
| 12:24.37 | Foxbot | Okay, foxlit, queued Heavy Clefthoof Leggings, Heavy Clefthoof Vest. |
| 12:24.47 | foxlit | I've fixed Strength of the Clefthoof manually for now |
| 12:24.53 | winkiller | so did I |
| 12:25.20 | foxlit | Yeah, but you did <noinclude> tags :) |
| 12:25.46 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:Settip |
| 12:26.08 | winkiller | you killed some info |
| 12:27.19 | winkiller | ah, no its ok |
| 12:27.20 | foxlit | Hm, it's supposed to be able to handle things better than that |
| 12:28.10 | foxlit | Yeah, I know. Plugging it back in |
| 12:28.27 | foxlit | (On individual item pages) |
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| 12:33.41 | foxlit | #doiteme Heavy Clefthoof Leggings |
| 12:34.36 | foxlit | I... see. |
| 12:34.40 | foxlit | Damn you, evil crafting system. |
| 12:36.38 | winkiller | hm, created by: [[pattern]] would also be nice as a default |
| 12:37.05 | winkiller | and why is [[Armor]] in the tooltip, but not [[Stamina]] |
| 12:37.23 | winkiller | and why is the ar,pr value not green? |
| 12:37.29 | winkiller | I demand answers :) |
| 12:37.38 | winkiller | *armor value |
| 12:37.47 | foxlit | I'm all ears if you've got a good way of determining whether it should be green or not |
| 12:38.03 | foxlit | [[Armor]] is part of the {{tooltip}}, stamina isn't. |
| 12:38.17 | winkiller | strange |
| 12:38.28 | winkiller | I have no clue how you get the data at all |
| 12:38.37 | winkiller | so without firther investigation, I have no clue |
| 12:38.49 | foxlit | Armory |
| 12:38.52 | winkiller | *further - damn, can't type today |
| 12:39.41 | winkiller | ah, stupid armory doesn't show it |
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| 12:41.35 | winkiller | where is the info? it's not /item-info.xml |
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| 12:44.50 | foxlit | You have to ninja-grab it from a top-secret location |
| 12:45.00 | foxlit | (okay, maybe not. item-tooltip.xml) |
| 12:45.57 | winkiller | hm, use wowhead instead of armory, they got the info :) |
| 12:46.27 | winkiller | unbelievable how they missed adding <bonusArmor>... |
| 12:55.20 | foxlit | That's because it isn't a special stat |
| 12:56.31 | winkiller | it's displayed in green, I think it's special :P |
| 12:58.26 | Kaso | Cant you like, calculate how much armor the item should have with its item level then assume anything above that is green? or is that too rough. |
| 13:01.27 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/11/reminder-caption-this-contest-ends-tonight/ |
| 13:01.52 | winkiller | is armor dependendant on ilvl? |
| 13:03.10 | Kaso | Yah, "white" armor on items is calculated from ilvl, quality(epic etc) and its slot |
| 13:03.13 | Kaso | if i remeber correctly |
| 13:03.33 | laurly | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Laurlybot/Sandbox/npc <--- hows that look |
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| 13:03.55 | foxlit | I can't find a bc-safe formula for that, though |
| 13:03.57 | laurly | still think i should dump the poor quality items. |
| 13:04.01 | foxlit | What's with the missing icons? |
| 13:04.04 | foxlit | Yes, you should. |
| 13:04.17 | foxlit | Should really dump common stuff too, unless it's quest-related. |
| 13:04.19 | laurly | missing icons are due to the fact that the icon is named diffrently on throt vs us |
| 13:04.52 | foxlit | So? Can you fix it? :) |
| 13:04.55 | Kaso | drops which can drop off any mob that level shouldnt be in the lootbox |
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| 13:05.24 | laurly | yeah if i upload the picture again cant figure out how to move a picture. |
| 13:05.36 | foxlit | That's not acceptable, really |
| 13:05.51 | laurly | well its a user error so i cant fix user errors |
| 13:05.55 | foxlit | Icons on wowwiki use WoW's texture names, and they should really stay that way :) |
| 13:06.05 | Kaso | laurly, the way i fixed the icons was to have a dictionary indexed by the icon name in lower case which pointed to the correctly captialised name, then i string.lower() the string and used the dictionary on it |
| 13:07.01 | laurly | so what rip all the icons out into the db :/ |
| 13:07.17 | foxlit | Yes |
| 13:07.18 | Kaso | foxlit can prob show you some code easier than i can actually |
| 13:07.31 | foxlit | Nah, I still use your dictionary for that :) |
| 13:07.32 | laurly | foxlit know VB :) |
| 13:07.49 | Kaso | laurly, can you do string-indexed tables in VB? |
| 13:07.50 | foxlit | I'd go with Dir() and the extracted addonkit |
| 13:08.00 | foxlit | Kaso: not natively, not in VB6 |
| 13:08.01 | laurly | i have code for grabing all the guilds from the guilds categorie guess its time to go rip out icon names |
| 13:08.17 | Kaso | ah, thats a good idea foxlit. |
| 13:08.20 | laurly | kaso bots using mysql so i can just dump it into a table. |
| 13:08.27 | Kaso | ah thats good |
| 13:08.50 | Kaso | if you want i can show you a lowercasename = CorrectCaseName list of all the icons |
| 13:09.01 | foxlit | propercase = Dir(addonkiticonsdirectory & iconname & ".blp") |
| 13:09.16 | Kaso | oh, |
| 13:09.23 | Kaso | i forgot windows was case insensitve |
| 13:09.28 | foxlit | :) |
| 13:09.39 | mxs | Guess it was bound to happen ... a patch site called "0daypatch". Any bets on whether that specific domain name was chosen to appear at the top in wowwiki ? And how long until !!!!!!0daypatch.com ? :> |
| 13:10.09 | foxlit | Better than 0dayexploit! |
| 13:10.14 | laurly | there isnt like an image dir that i can access from the web is there so i can just grab all the pictures |
| 13:10.23 | mxs | foxlit : I was thinking, 0daywarez ! |
| 13:10.25 | laurly | or am i going to have to scan the categorie |
| 13:10.34 | mxs | though 0daysploit would do it justice as well |
| 13:10.46 | Kaso | mxs, they arent linking specific patchs but rather directories |
| 13:11.01 | Kaso | move em to the bottom list |
| 13:12.22 | Kaso | us=http://www.0daypatch.com/download/ |
| 13:12.22 | Kaso | gb=http://www.0daypatch.com/download/ |
| 13:12.22 | Kaso | de=http://www.0daypatch.com/download/ |
| 13:12.22 | Kaso | fr=http://www.0daypatch.com/download/ |
| 13:12.24 | Kaso | Naughty naughty |
| 13:12.41 | mxs | well, I do the same on wirebrain (although to be fair, I anchor it to the specific patch version :) |
| 13:13.00 | mxs | I see no reason for "one page for every file there is" on a website, other than to get more pageviews and ads shown |
| 13:14.50 | Kaso | Well, patch mirrors page is for people to easily find patchs, not to advertise websites, if i cant click on the page then click a download button somethings wrong, i shouldnt have to sort through a master directory on the page to find the link which should have been on the patch mirrors |
| 13:14.51 | laurly | what you think add a little yellow ! if its a quest item. or am i going a bit OTT? |
| 13:14.54 | Kaso | Thems the rules! |
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| 13:15.25 | mxs | kaso : agreed, that's not what I'm doing though. I have all links on one page, sectioned off with anchors. |
| 13:15.38 | mxs | so you'll still have to search for your locale with your eyes :) |
| 13:15.57 | mxs | I absolutely hate so-called "download databases" where you have to click 5 times just to get one file |
| 13:16.06 | Kaso | mmhm |
| 13:16.07 | mxs | right-click and save on an index should be quite enough |
| 13:16.21 | mxs | try one of hte patch-mirror links to a.wirebrain.de and tell me whether you think I am wrong |
| 13:17.03 | mxs | hrrm ... 0daypatch's design strikes me as extremely familiar, but I can't put my finger on what it was called before |
| 13:17.12 | Kaso | Yah the wirebrain layout is always been good, i also like your checksums :> |
| 13:17.14 | mxs | I might be wrong :) |
| 13:17.50 | Kaso | actually i was sorta thinking the same |
| 13:17.50 | Kaso | it all does stink of someone exploiting the patch mirrors page. |
| 13:17.57 | Taurmindo | laurly: hide the grey items, and why are two of the image links in all caps? |
| 13:18.05 | mxs | thanks :) Checksums are only as good as the trust in me though, which is sad; I wish Blizzard would offer official sums |
| 13:18.25 | Kaso | That is true. |
| 13:18.36 | Kaso | Taurmindo we already discussed that :> |
| 13:18.50 | Taurmindo | oh. :rolleyes: move along then! |
| 13:20.15 | laurly | lol http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:WoW_Icons/Icon_List/Images think firefox is going to have a heart attack |
| 13:21.00 | Kaso | yah, thats not a page you really wanna load too often |
| 13:22.06 | laurly | ok so if i dump http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:WoW_Icons/Icon_List into the db i should have most of the icons? |
| 13:23.21 | Kaso | yup, i think adys keeps the list fairly upto date |
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| 13:24.12 | pcj | #doitempage Archaedic Stone |
| 13:24.19 | Foxbot | Tooltip saved, pcj. View at: http://www.wowwiki.com/Archaedic_Stone |
| 13:27.49 | foxlit | That random enchants section is a thing of beauty |
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| 13:28.54 | laurly | hmm kids should go to school year round. this is only the second week ........ kid agro |
| 13:28.55 | Kaso | woah that is sexy |
| 13:28.59 | Kaso | how do you do that? |
| 13:29.25 | laurly | nice fox |
| 13:29.46 | Kaso | foxlit, feel free to get your bot chewing though these then; http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kaso/Random_Suffix_Items |
| 13:30.17 | foxlit | Armory supplies random enchant data :) |
| 13:30.26 | Kaso | thats sexy |
| 13:30.29 | Kaso | i love new armory |
| 13:30.53 | foxlit | And then I do evil things to pattern matching and numbers to get it to compact suffixes to ranges |
| 13:31.02 | Kaso | ~2600 pages need generating there fox, gogogogo! |
| 13:31.10 | foxlit | Haha |
| 13:31.18 | foxlit | I'd have to passthrough User:Foxbot/FixPlease/Quests first |
| 13:31.24 | foxlit | Since I can actually do those now :) |
| 13:31.59 | mxs | ah, there we go. 0daypatch.com is our venerable wowpatches.de |
| 13:32.22 | laurly | do we have an icon for the little dot that goes on your mini map when theres a quest to turn in |
| 13:32.33 | mxs | aka kalimdor's engelskrieger, aka one of the two or three idiots that kept reordering the page |
| 13:34.11 | Kaso | what i dont get is why people love fighting so much to get people to use up thier bandwidth, i mean surely ads cant bring in that much |
| 13:35.05 | mxs | if you go with intrusive layers, interstitials, popups, popunders, and inline ads, on patch days, you can easily make $100 |
| 13:35.10 | mxs | if enough people link to you |
| 13:35.13 | foxlit | I don't get why those sites exist |
| 13:35.16 | mxs | which is great for these kids |
| 13:35.31 | foxlit | I turned off p2p on my macbook whiel downloading the client, and I got a steady 400KB/s from blizzard's HTTP stream |
| 13:35.41 | mxs | since they pay $80-$100/month for an "unlimited traffic" server (which are popular in Germany) |
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| 13:36.07 | mxs | foxlit: doesn't work for everybody; some universities even block your access if they detect BT traffic (even if you disable it right after) |
| 13:36.25 | foxlit | It's an HTTP stream :) |
| 13:36.35 | mxs | Kaso: you are right, of course, if they had to pay the actual cost of the bandwidth they are using, they wouldn't. They don't have to, though. |
| 13:36.40 | foxlit | If I wanted to, I could probably write an application that'd go mad and just rip the entire thing |
| 13:36.51 | Kaso | where do they get the bandwidth from? |
| 13:36.59 | mxs | foxlit: indeed, but to get the http stream you first have to disable p2p, at which time the tracker requests have already gone out |
| 13:37.15 | mxs | foxlit: yeah, you could. It's easy. A oneliner does it. |
| 13:37.45 | mxs | wget http://theirip/patchname.exe/{0..1500} ; cat `perl -e 'print join "\n", 0..1500` > patchname.exe |
| 13:37.54 | mxs | you can get the URL from the torrents that come with the downloaders |
| 13:38.11 | winkiller | o_O |
| 13:38.20 | mxs | Mac-patches are not that easy, you only get a single url for many files; You'd need to piece them together again from the torrent |
| 13:39.27 | winkiller | hm, I should mirror patches :P |
| 13:39.35 | winkiller | still got 120GB/month I don't use |
| 13:39.42 | mxs | kaso : 1&1, Strato, Hetzner, HostEurope, etc. all offer unlimited traffic servers for rather cheap. Once you use up 1 tb, you get rate-limited to 10mbit/s until you manually set it up to 100mbit/s again (they claim it is for security reasons, which is bullshit -- theyj ust want to be able to MARKET unlimited traffic without actually offering 100mbit/s unlimited for $100 ;) |
| 13:40.02 | foxlit | I should make a website that'd allow you to type in a single opponent's name in your battlegroup, and it'd give you a roster of their arena team in your format |
| 13:40.25 | Kaso | ah of course |
| 13:41.15 | mxs | kaso : it usually works since 99.95% of customers rarely use more than a few gigs of traffic in a month. It's heaven for those who know how to automate the "unlock" procedure, though I don't expect it to last forever |
| 13:41.16 | Kaso | Yah all these "Unlimited" things are mostly bullshit ive read about that in the past, people getting kicked for breach of contract and stuff because them using "umlimited bandwith" is harming the service to other customers |
| 13:41.26 | mxs | they can't do that in Germany |
| 13:41.38 | mxs | if you market "unlimited", you damn well better provide "Unlimited" |
| 13:41.44 | winkiller | Kaso: that was teh case with dsl contracts, not servers |
| 13:41.51 | mxs | the customer protection laws are quite good here |
| 13:42.12 | mxs | winkiller: no, it's a common practice with cheap shared webhosts as well |
| 13:42.28 | mxs | some spell it out in their ToS, others are vague |
| 13:42.32 | winkiller | mxs: you can't compare the numbers. it's a much smaller scale |
| 13:42.41 | winkiller | and the dsl stuff has been a while |
| 13:42.48 | winkiller | like 3-4 years |
| 13:43.02 | winkiller | only AFTER that the customer protection stuff was better |
| 13:43.20 | winkiller | dunno what company, but guess Arcor who kicked lots of customers |
| 13:43.27 | winkiller | or 1&1? |
| 13:43.29 | mxs | for instance, dreamhost.com allows you to use your 2tb (or however much you bought), but if your cpu time per day is above 1-2 hours, they'll write you an angry letter, and if you don'T stop, adios. If you can manage to serve the 2tb without incurring the 2tb mark or overloading their memory or I/O, then they let you. |
| 13:43.30 | winkiller | been too long :P |
| 13:43.48 | Kaso | http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/misc/strato.htm (a bit old, but its what i remeber reading) |
| 13:43.49 | mxs | winkiller: 1&1 offered them money to leave |
| 13:43.54 | mxs | arcor kicked a couple |
| 13:44.05 | mxs | and yeah, you CAN compare the numbers, it's the same marketing tactic :) |
| 13:44.32 | mxs | some others rate-limited p2p ports |
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| 13:45.39 | winkiller | Kaso: ah well, that sounds very strange |
| 13:45.48 | winkiller | especially starto napping his domains... |
| 13:46.14 | mxs | kaso : that link relates to shared servers though; there the issue isn't really the bandwidth/traffic used (usually), but rather the shared-server nature of it; if you put an extremely busy site on a serve rthat is supposed to serve 1000s of domains and get one that needs a server for itself, that stuff is bound to happen |
| 13:46.29 | winkiller | whatever, atm I am at 70 GB of my 200 and Strato hasn't sent an angry letter :P |
| 13:47.17 | Kaso | Well he says in an update that strato have stopped offering "unlimited" plans like the one hes on cos they are really not unlimited |
| 13:48.05 | mxs | winkiller: and they shouldn't, until you used up 200, or have buggy scripts that consume 100% cpu :) |
| 13:48.10 | winkiller | they have one plan with 1.5 TB |
| 13:48.22 | mxs | Kaso: yeah. They sitll offer unlimited traffic servers, however. |
| 13:48.35 | laurly | hmm i guess loading 3k images into the db is going to take a few minutes |
| 13:48.58 | winkiller | Traffic-Unlimited* |
| 13:49.37 | winkiller | yeah well, has always been a problem and always will be |
| 13:49.37 | winkiller | from free refill at mcdonald's to unlimited trwaffic |
| 13:49.37 | mxs | the * is the tactic I described earlier, i.e. reducing port speed from 100 to 10mbps after 1tb of transfer |
| 13:49.37 | foxlit | laurly: What's wrong with the addonkit/Dir solution? Easier for you to implement, really. |
| 13:49.54 | winkiller | there will always be people who don't understand that mixed calculation and offer it |
| 13:50.00 | Kaso | marketers just love the word unlimited, no matter how limited it really is |
| 13:50.02 | winkiller | then they complain if someones really uses it |
| 13:50.22 | mxs | yeah, they learn the hard way. For servers, they do keep their word. |
| 13:50.41 | winkiller | never been kicked out of an All you can eat buffet gladly |
| 13:50.42 | winkiller | :) |
| 13:50.53 | laurly | Foxlit: becouse i have noidea what it is and this took 5 min to code |
| 13:51.11 | mxs | there is no such thing as unlimited traffic; the simple fact that your bandwidth is limited by virtue of a connection to the router being no faster than, say, 10gbit/s proves that :) |
| 13:51.14 | foxlit | This would take you 5 seconds :P |
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| 13:51.24 | foxlit | You grab the blizzard addon kit, and extract game artwork to a directory |
| 13:51.27 | foxlit | ~addonkit |
| 13:51.28 | infobot | Located at http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p the addonkit is "The World of Warcraft User Interface Customization tool that allows users to tweak and customize the User Interface." |
| 13:51.49 | winkiller | congratulations |
| 13:51.51 | TOR_CNR | congrats on the troll image. it's hilarious |
| 13:51.54 | TOR_CNR | :D |
| 13:51.55 | foxlit | Blizzard Interface Art (enGB)\Icons\ |
| 13:51.55 | winkiller | this is the first step on your demise |
| 13:52.20 | foxlit | Contains all proper-case icons with "(Icon Name).blp" file names |
| 13:52.32 | TOR_CNR | winkiller: not really. I'm just here to mess up your interwikis per [[Project:Server_requests]] ;) |
| 13:52.52 | foxlit | Now, since windows is case-insensitive, you can just use Dir() to find the right file, which'd give you the proper-cased version as well |
| 13:52.56 | winkiller | what is blp anyway? |
| 13:53.03 | winkiller | what compression? |
| 13:53.05 | foxlit | www.wowwiki.com/BLP |
| 13:53.08 | mxs | I do love how nowadays, traffic, for the enduser, is cheaper in Germany than it is in the US; used to be the reverse just two years ago. |
| 13:53.20 | winkiller | empty, foxlit |
| 13:53.21 | mxs | (though overall, diskspace is cheaper in the US than it is Germany) |
| 13:53.35 | winkiller | yeah, a bit strange |
| 13:53.37 | foxlit | Dir("c:\Path\To\Icons\" & SomeSortOfIconName & ".blp") |
| 13:53.38 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/BLP_Files |
| 13:53.42 | winkiller | I remember 20$/GB |
| 13:53.59 | winkiller | thanks |
| 13:54.12 | mxs | not /that/ strange; There is hefty competition, and they competed on traffic for a while |
| 13:54.23 | winkiller | bah, I should really learn my stuff for compiler building lecture |
| 13:54.28 | winkiller | but my head hurts :( |
| 13:54.48 | mxs | winkiller: it's easy. tokenize/parse. Do magic. Write output. |
| 13:55.02 | winkiller | yeah, I know |
| 13:55.05 | mxs | usually it's tree magic. :) |
| 13:55.10 | winkiller | but they always want the nasty details |
| 13:55.19 | mxs | tree magic with colors ? :> |
| 13:55.43 | winkiller | no, languages I, F and L (imperative, functional and logical) |
| 13:55.55 | winkiller | including the abstract machines |
| 13:56.04 | winkiller | dunno if they are "common" examples |
| 13:56.14 | mxs | would you count object orientation at the I level, or is that more abstract ? |
| 13:56.21 | winkiller | some stripped down Modula/Pascal, ML and perolog |
| 13:56.43 | mxs | oh nice, haven't seen ML in a while |
| 13:56.44 | winkiller | and each of them how the stack is built, what instructions and all the stuff |
| 13:56.47 | winkiller | 140 pages |
| 13:57.06 | mxs | we usually use some variation of Lisp or Haskell for it :) |
| 13:57.11 | winkiller | well, it could also be haskell. reeeally stripped down |
| 13:57.54 | mxs | do you mean prolog ? |
| 13:58.00 | winkiller | on thing I agree on, no use learning the basics on a fully-fledged production language |
| 13:58.45 | winkiller | still, I'd prefer my head not hurtin and I could chop through some more dozens of pages |
| 13:59.08 | mxs | well, for compiler synthesis it's really inconsequential what flavor you use, they all boil down to the same trees :) |
| 13:59.15 | mxs | (... eventually) |
| 13:59.31 | mxs | other than perl, that is. Perl boils down to another variant of perl. :> |
| 13:59.44 | winkiller | stay away with perl |
| 13:59.52 | winkiller | that language gives me the creeps :P |
| 14:00.01 | winkiller | used it, but never liked it |
| 14:00.05 | mxs | I LOVE that language |
| 14:00.29 | winkiller | it's either a or b, not both :) |
| 14:00.30 | mxs | It has no real constraints |
| 14:00.54 | mxs | i.e. if I want to "just do something", I don't really have to write 20 casts to actually "do" it :) |
| 14:01.01 | mxs | (like in Java, or even C++) |
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| 14:01.15 | winkiller | weeelll, the problem is,m that it does something for you |
| 14:01.17 | laurly | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Laurlybot/Sandbox/npc <-- poor items gone buggy pic's fixed |
| 14:01.24 | laurly | think i should mark the item if its a quest item? |
| 14:01.26 | winkiller | but only half of the others would do it in the same way |
| 14:01.34 | winkiller | and 1/4th doesn't even get what you wrote |
| 14:01.35 | mxs | and if I want to use paradigm X in one module and paradigm Y in the next, no problem :) |
| 14:01.53 | mxs | that's a problem of discipline |
| 14:01.56 | mxs | you have that in ANY language |
| 14:02.04 | winkiller | but not as cryptic |
| 14:02.12 | winkiller | there is no obfuscated Java/php cvontest, as it's moot |
| 14:02.13 | mxs | if you don't have a styleguide or coding guidelines, that happens in any language |
| 14:02.27 | mxs | there is the venerable iocc |
| 14:02.39 | mxs | er ioccc |
| 14:02.49 | winkiller | $| $` $? is what I hate most |
| 14:02.56 | mxs | and if you really want to, you can do crazy stuff in Java as well. |
| 14:03.08 | mxs | you don't have to use those shortcuts. |
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| 14:03.38 | winkiller | I admire everyone who writes serious stuff in perl, but I just can't get myself to really dig into it |
| 14:03.56 | winkiller | the rare occasions I had to weren't exactly fun |
| 14:04.05 | mxs | you can easily use $OUTPUT_AUTOFLUSH and $CHILD_ERROR for it; I don't think there is a $` |
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| 14:04.23 | winkiller | and I have no time. much higher on my list to learn are python, lua and haskell |
| 14:04.50 | winkiller | (at least now) I think that could be fun |
| 14:05.21 | mxs | I mean, you CAN write code like http://a.wirebrain.de/krypto/abgaben/uebung6.plhtml |
| 14:05.36 | mxs | I especially love performVodoo() |
| 14:05.44 | winkiller | lol |
| 14:05.45 | mxs | and our general approach to AES encryption |
| 14:05.48 | winkiller | oh, wirebrain is yours? |
| 14:06.01 | winkiller | gah, l2comment :P |
| 14:06.05 | Taurmindo | laurly: should the herb-table show poor items? |
| 14:06.15 | mxs | winkiller: yeah it is. And There are purposefully no comments. |
| 14:06.27 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/11/around-azeroth-christmas-in-july/ |
| 14:06.57 | Taurmindo | laurly: and perhaps sort quality -> droprate, e.g. epic first, then rare etc, all sorted by individual quality droprates. |
| 14:07.10 | winkiller | that code is really nice. and proves my point :) I know languages where you can't create such stuff :P |
| 14:07.20 | mxs | The subject of the lecture was cryptology; the exercises needed to be done, in any way we wanted, and code was not required in most cases; though we had quite some fun with Perl, especially because the professor commented on it |
| 14:07.50 | mxs | i.e. he actually seemed to understand (or try to) most of it :) |
| 14:08.17 | mxs | (and I think we managed to keep our solutions at or below the LOC as the pseudocode in the skriptum had :) |
| 14:08.49 | winkiller | hehe |
| 14:08.54 | mxs | but yeah, that is an excellent example of how not to code reusable, readable code |
| 14:09.10 | winkiller | I had to write some ocr-related stuff for my comp.ling minor last term |
| 14:09.25 | winkiller | I only started 2 days before final call so I hacked it up in PHP |
| 14:09.30 | mxs | but really, any language that does NOT have the capability for gravely bad coding is a language that's not worth learning or pursuing, since it's quite obviously powerless |
| 14:09.49 | winkiller | the comment was: "wow, you gave us one of the best structured programs of the whole course" |
| 14:10.19 | mxs | PHP5 is where it became a bit interesting, since it FINALLY supported OO starting there |
| 14:10.36 | winkiller | gravely bad coding is much easier without OOP :P |
| 14:11.03 | mxs | what I dislike about PHP is the "everything is a compiled-in extension" attitude of the php distro, and of course the fact that it's painful to write sometimes |
| 14:11.17 | Boubouille | [16:04:37] <mxs> I mean, you CAN write code like http://a.wirebrain.de/krypto/abgaben/uebung6.plhtml |
| 14:11.18 | Boubouille | I laughed. |
| 14:11.29 | Boubouille | one of these moment where I realize that I don't belong in this channel |
| 14:11.41 | mxs | I mean really, why would you need preg_replace(a,b,c) when it's much more convenient to say a =~ s/b/c/ ? |
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| 14:12.13 | winkiller | ok, that's true |
| 14:12.15 | mxs | Boubouille: laughed in joy, anger, or confusion ? :) |
| 14:12.44 | mxs | winkiller: php is littered with those things that make you type more, even though it should be perfectly easy to do it in a more concise fashion |
| 14:12.45 | Boubouille | I think it was everything mixed :/ |
| 14:12.53 | mxs | (and the =~ operator isn't hard to learn :) |
| 14:12.57 | Boubouille | technically |
| 14:13.18 | mxs | Boubouille: you can see that code in action on http://a.wirebrain.de/krypto/aes.pl :) |
| 14:13.22 | Boubouille | I spent the last 20 minutes trying to modify a list of numbers to add text at the beggining and at the end |
| 14:13.41 | mxs | in perl ? |
| 14:13.46 | Boubouille | in notepad. |
| 14:13.59 | Boubouille | *coughs* |
| 14:14.16 | mxs | install cygwin, start a shell, learn to use sed |
| 14:14.17 | mxs | or perl :) |
| 14:14.55 | Boubouille | well, I should probably start by learning to code a nice website, highest priority :/ |
| 14:15.09 | mxs | something like sed 's/^\(.*\)$/Beginning text $1 Endtext0/' < infile.txt > outfile.txt |
| 14:15.15 | Boubouille | 25 query on a single article because of my PHP Portal is just not nice |
| 14:15.29 | mxs | Boubouille: I have seen worse. |
| 14:16.09 | mxs | My absolute FAVOURITE php code I ever had the "pleasure" to see was on a website, as well. It was supposed to display a list of members who were online at the time, from a database table. |
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| 14:17.04 | mxs | i.e. something that should be solved with SELECT username, imageurl FROM members WHERE online=1 ORDER BY gender, username ASC or something the like |
| 14:17.26 | Boubouille | hey mxs, code me a new site |
| 14:17.31 | Boubouille | :( |
| 14:17.35 | mxs | that page first did a SELECT username FROM members, then a loop over the result set with one query to check whether that user was online, and if that succeeded, 5-6 queries for getting details |
| 14:18.04 | mxs | some of these queries would return big result sets, where all but the first result would be discarded. |
| 14:18.09 | mxs | That site had 2500 users online. |
| 14:18.13 | Boubouille | lol |
| 14:18.34 | mxs | So 25 queries is not that bad; try 5000+ :) |
| 14:18.48 | Boubouille | I reached 4000 users online I think, or 4500 |
| 14:18.50 | Boubouille | don't remember |
| 14:18.55 | mxs | (it now uses 2, but oh well :) |
| 14:19.03 | mxs | 4500 users ONLINE ? |
| 14:19.19 | mxs | i.e. 4500 users visiting the page at that moment in time ? |
| 14:20.10 | Boubouille | well, in the last 15 minutes |
| 14:20.15 | mxs | nice :) |
| 14:20.29 | Boubouille | 4575 actually |
| 14:20.31 | Boubouille | 14 June, don't remember why |
| 14:20.32 | mxs | hits or visitors ? |
| 14:20.51 | mxs | it's already quite a lot ;) |
| 14:21.27 | Boubouille | oh maybe it was for the arena season 2 actually |
| 14:21.29 | mxs | in any case though, PHP as a language isn't all /that/ bad. It could be better, but it is convenient enough for many things. Usually the problem with PHP is between the display and the back of the seat. |
| 14:21.43 | mxs | what site is that ? :) |
| 14:21.47 | Boubouille | mmo-champion |
| 14:22.01 | mxs | ah ok, that would be believable |
| 14:22.15 | mxs | you stole my icons, you thief ! :P |
| 14:22.23 | Boubouille | I did ? o_O |
| 14:22.25 | Boubouille | where ? |
| 14:22.40 | mxs | the flags :P |
| 14:23.01 | Boubouille | oh actually, this could explain why I saw your name somewhere before |
| 14:23.26 | mxs | you probably haven't seen mxs in that context, I don't use it on wirebrain |
| 14:23.41 | Boubouille | (was talking about wirebrain) |
| 14:23.46 | mxs | don't worry though, the flags are scaled-down versions of the wikipedia ones, converted to png |
| 14:24.07 | mxs | other than http://a.wirebrain.de/buttons/usgb25.png, but you don't use that :) |
| 14:24.22 | mxs | hell, even I don't use that atm |
| 14:24.48 | mxs | ah ok :)= |
| 14:25.48 | mxs | darn it, 12 decks short of exalted with darkmoon |
| 14:25.58 | laurly | http://www.wowwiki.com/Aged_Kodo <-- is that still considered a stub/npc or just add bot edit help to get the race in |
| 14:26.50 | mxs | Boubouille: I assume you try to cache what you can on mmo-c ? |
| 14:27.01 | Taurmindo | in the npcbox, the race is fucked up, you know that, right? |
| 14:27.10 | mxs | I don't really see why you'd need 19 queries on the frontpage alone |
| 14:27.29 | laurly | yeah the bot cant grab race. |
| 14:27.40 | laurly | its going to have to be edited manualy |
| 14:28.37 | laurly | im just wondering if i can remove the stub note and just add a bot edit help request insted |
| 14:29.58 | Taurmindo | isn't the race on it Beast? or you'd call it race: kodo? |
| 14:30.18 | laurly | ok whats the race on this one http://www.thottbot.com/c21171 |
| 14:30.32 | laurly | its not always part of the name. |
| 14:31.08 | Taurmindo | hm, yea, some kind of humanoid, but i guess that isn't suffice. |
| 14:31.10 | laurly | beast is the creature type race is kodo but theres no way to programticly gets that 100% on all of them |
| 14:31.39 | laurly | yeah and i dont want to default all humanoids to human the trolls might get mad |
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| 14:40.51 | Boubouille | mxs : I cache everything |
| 14:40.56 | Boubouille | item tooltips, etc |
| 14:43.41 | mxs | Boubouille: what do you use 19 queries on, then ? Latest news/ Latest forum posts could easily be cached (file_exists() and include if it does; you could cron-job the deletion of those for every 5 minutes, or on every update pertaining to them), and I'd wager the same could be done for the menu; caching the content-boxes should be feasible as well, though it's probably easier to use memcached for it (would work for the former mentioned as well) |
| 14:43.52 | Boubouille | I don't use them, the portal does |
| 14:44.06 | mxs | i.e. I don't see anything on the front page that actually NEEDS queries ;) |
| 14:44.09 | Boubouille | You're talking to someone who still use <br><br><br><br> in his articles to skip multiple lines |
| 14:44.23 | Boubouille | It's a miracle that I manage to run the site without crashing everything |
| 14:44.24 | Boubouille | :p |
| 14:44.28 | mxs | start using <br /> <br /> |
| 14:44.29 | mxs | :P |
| 14:45.29 | mxs | (it's a nitpick, but <br> should be closed, with either </br> or a /> at the end; but that's just the xml freak in me talking :) |
| 14:46.09 | Boubouille | yeah, another freak told me to do that a few days ago |
| 14:47.13 | mxs | we freaks know what we want |
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| 15:06.26 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/11/demon-water-wings/ |
| 15:07.31 | Taurmindo | so, <br/> isn't as good as <br />? :) |
| 15:07.34 | foxlit | I want to whine at someone for the lack of Colbert Report uploaded videos, but I doubt people are catering |
| 15:07.40 | laurly | http://www.wowwiki.com/Alluvion pritty? |
| 15:07.48 | foxlit | Taurmindo: I think it's identical. |
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| 15:09.18 | Arrowmaster | its not |
| 15:10.32 | Arrowmaster | <br /> is better because its always valid xml, some xml readers might not like <br/> |
| 15:15.01 | Hobinheim|work | Arrowmaster, that's a deficiency of of HTML parsers, not XML readers |
| 15:15.58 | Arrowmaster | meh |
| 15:16.20 | Arrowmaster | point being use <br /> over <br/> over <br> and neveer <br></br> |
| 15:16.32 | pcj | is there anyway to switch the google search back to the built-in MediaWiki search on a user basis? |
| 15:17.00 | foxlit | neveer <br></br>? |
| 15:17.17 | Hobinheim|work | foxlit, they're the same |
| 15:17.20 | foxlit | Worst case scenario is that you may cause legacy clients to display two line breaks |
| 15:17.22 | Hobinheim|work | it's just that <br></br> looks crazy |
| 15:17.26 | foxlit | Who cares about those anyway? |
| 15:17.34 | Hobinheim|work | legacy clients = go suck a duck |
| 15:17.52 | pcj | guies i use lynx and wowwiki doesnt display right |
| 15:18.02 | foxlit | pcj: update to links. |
| 15:18.03 | Arrowmaster | new clients would slap you around for using <br></br> |
| 15:19.21 | pcj | no guys, don't use <br> at all, just use <div clear="all"></div> |
| 15:21.03 | equiraptor | wowwiki does ok in w3m. |
| 15:21.10 | equiraptor | Not grea, but certainly manageable. |
| 15:22.14 | Hobinheim|work | guys, can you please convert all <br/> to <p> |
| 15:22.33 | Hobinheim|work | oh and get rid of any class and style where you see them, we're not using them anymore |
| 15:22.36 | foxlit | In some cases you want br, though :) |
| 15:24.18 | foxlit | Mac Safari no like your menu system |
| 15:24.29 | pcj | well if you have to have <br /> instead of <p> you could just use and hope everyone's running at 320x240 resolution |
| 15:25.01 | foxlit | p incurs margin formatting that may be undesirable in some circumstances |
| 15:25.09 | Hobinheim|work | pcj, excellent idea |
| 15:25.11 | Hobinheim|work | let it be so |
| 15:25.28 | |Pixel| | ? |
| 15:25.32 | |Pixel| | which menu system ? |
| 15:25.49 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+v Kaso] by ChanServ |
| 15:26.07 | foxlit | European website |
| 15:26.49 | foxlit | Just does weird stuff |
| 15:27.56 | [NewsBot] | MMO Champion: 2.1.3 Patch known bugs - http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=452.0 |
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| 15:28.17 | |Pixel| | ha |
| 15:28.22 | |Pixel| | doesn't surprise me much :) |
| 15:30.24 | foxlit | It's generally okay, but something causes it to realign disregarding other elements |
| 15:31.13 | foxlit | http://img244.imageshack.us/img224/7696/safarima6.png |
| 15:31.35 | foxlit | s/224/244/ |
| 15:32.26 | foxlit | Flash displays fine, btw, not sure why it's not on the screenshot |
| 15:32.58 | |Pixel| | yeah well |
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| 15:34.10 | foxlit | Admit it: EU hates macs! There's not even a mac tech support forum :P |
| 15:35.49 | |Pixel| | :D |
| 15:35.59 | |Pixel| | I don't give a shit about it, indeed :P |
| 15:36.04 | |Pixel| | (even though I *DO* own a mac) |
| 15:37.12 | foxlit | I don't think I care that much either. |
| 15:37.18 | foxlit | I mean, who visits wow-europe.com anyway? :) |
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| 15:39.35 | Teomyr | lo |
| 15:41.28 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/11/encrypted-text-the-art-of-the-stunlock/ |
| 15:45.18 | Hobinheim|work | pixel does |
| 15:45.21 | Hobinheim|work | he's the only visitor |
| 15:45.26 | Hobinheim|work | and develops for himself |
| 15:46.44 | foxlit | forums should come with a built-in bluetracker anyway :) |
| 15:46.57 | |Pixel| | I agree on the fact that I mostly develops for myself, except that I am basically gonna release one my code "Pretty Soon" now |
| 15:47.11 | |Pixel| | but you'd be surprised on the amount of visitors-per-day we have on the website :) |
| 15:47.15 | foxlit | "Pretty Soon" (tm)? |
| 15:47.22 | |Pixel| | yeah, (R) (C) |
| 15:48.16 | Teomyr | what are you talking about, if i may ask? |
| 15:49.14 | |Pixel| | seems we were talking about wow-europe.com website ? |
| 15:49.52 | Teomyr | ah, i thought it was about some specific project |
| 15:49.59 | Dotted | status.xml |Pixel|? |
| 15:50.45 | |Pixel| | sorry, Dotted ? |
| 15:50.45 | Dotted | realm status |
| 15:50.45 | |Pixel| | Teomyr: well, I was also talking about my private projects, indeed |
| 15:50.45 | Dotted | us have an xml file |
| 15:50.45 | Dotted | eu dont |
| 15:50.48 | |Pixel| | interesting |
| 15:50.54 | |Pixel| | link ? |
| 15:51.02 | Dotted | you should know, already said it once before :p |
| 15:51.29 | |Pixel| | wheee |
| 15:52.00 | Dotted | bah |
| 15:52.43 | Dotted | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/realmstatus/status.xml |Pixel| |
| 15:53.10 | |Pixel| | nice stylesheet |
| 15:53.23 | Dotted | eh |
| 15:53.53 | Dotted | just fix it for eu |
| 15:54.20 | Teomyr | and a self-explanatory xml source |
| 15:54.21 | foxlit | Found this wonderful dashboard widget for server status |
| 15:54.21 | |Pixel| | can't |
| 15:54.46 | |Pixel| | I can't tell you how different the EU's website sourcecode differs from the US's one |
| 15:55.07 | |Pixel| | but it's mearly impossible to merge them now |
| 15:55.57 | Dotted | here is a solution elete EU, copy US - start over |
| 15:56.01 | Dotted | *Delete |
| 15:56.44 | Dotted | Teomyr i can live with a non-self-explanatory xml if the alternative is no xml :p |
| 15:56.50 | Teomyr | hehe |
| 15:57.18 | |Pixel| | then some of the non-english edito people over there will commit suicide |
| 15:57.27 | [NewsBot] | GamePolitics: http://gamepolitics.com/2007/07/11/live-blogging-nintendo/ |
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| 16:04.29 | Kaso | Kirkburn, you there? |
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| 16:21.26 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/11/wow-moviewatch-300-moonkins/ |
| 16:22.56 | foxlit | Yes, 300 Moonkins! |
| 16:23.03 | Kaso | thats surprisngly well done |
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| 16:27.03 | foxlit | Hm, that's us? |
| 16:28.23 | TOR_CNR | IRC split |
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| 16:30.20 | pcj | Whee |
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| 16:34.20 | winkiller | do all wikia wikis have seperrate user accounts or is there a way to get one that can then be just taken over to the single wikis? |
| 16:34.43 | Hobinheim|work | all wikia wikis share user accounts except for wowwiki |
| 16:34.54 | winkiller | oh, sweet. thanks |
| 16:34.58 | TOR_CNR | Hobinheim|work: there are more exceptions than that :) |
| 16:35.37 | Hobinheim|work | didn't know of any but i figured as much |
| 16:35.54 | Hobinheim|work | my assumption is that if wikia took over any previously popular wikis, they owuld have seperate user acconts |
| 16:36.13 | pakoz2 | anyone here ever tank tidewalker? |
| 16:36.25 | TOR_CNR | *nod* we're slowly heading towards a unified system, though |
| 16:36.43 | Hobinheim|work | who's we? |
| 16:36.48 | Hobinheim|work | do you represent somebody? |
| 16:36.49 | TOR_CNR | Wikia :) |
| 16:36.54 | Hobinheim|work | who are you? |
| 16:37.08 | Hobinheim|work | i'm behind the times so if you've already introduced yourself, i'm lsow |
| 16:37.10 | Hobinheim|work | *slow |
| 16:37.10 | TOR_CNR | heh, healthy paranoia, good for you :) |
| 16:37.20 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Hobinheim|work] by ChanServ |
| 16:37.27 | TOR_CNR | Lucas 'TOR' Garczewski, Wikia Tech Team |
| 16:37.33 | Hobinheim|work | ahhhh |
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| 16:37.46 | Hobinheim|work | yeah i was trying to think about a migration system and unified accounts earlier in the week |
| 16:37.48 | Hobinheim|work | it made my head hurt |
| 16:37.56 | Hobinheim|work | i couldn't think of a super clean super easy migration strategy |
| 16:38.01 | Hobinheim|work | short of "here is D day" |
| 16:38.20 | TOR_CNR | isn't that scary, really :) |
| 16:38.28 | Hobinheim|work | :( |
| 16:38.44 | TOR_CNR | which doesn't mean you don't have to be extra careful |
| 16:44.47 | Gryphen | Hobinheim is our resident paranoid |
| 16:45.28 | TOR_CNR | doesn't hurt to have one :) |
| 16:45.32 | Gryphen | :D |
| 16:45.46 | Hobinheim|work | thx gryph =) |
| 16:47.48 | pcj | it could hurt to have one :| |
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| 16:54.32 | Gryphen | send in the clones |
| 16:54.54 | pcj | #doitem Battleworn Chain Leggings |
| 16:54.59 | Foxbot | Tooltip saved, pcj. View at: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Sandbox/1 |
| 16:56.35 | pcj | #doitempage Soft Wool Vest |
| 16:56.40 | Foxbot | Tooltip saved, pcj. View at: http://www.wowwiki.com/Soft_Wool_Vest |
| 16:59.27 | pcj | ugh i wish chain inclusions showed in tree view like redirects on whatlinkshere |
| 17:00.32 | pcj | #doitem Broken I.W.I.N. Button |
| 17:00.36 | Foxbot | Tooltip saved, pcj. View at: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Sandbox/1 |
| 17:03.10 | pcj | someone needs to fix the documentation of http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Qif |
| 17:04.26 | Hobinheim|work | qif needs to die a horrible death |
| 17:04.37 | Hobinheim|work | i tried to slay the beast earlier but it has elluded me to this day |
| 17:04.42 | pcj | exactly |
| 17:05.04 | pcj | i'm trying to find what template links to Template:If but it's not working out |
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| 17:05.21 | pcj | {{#if}} is so much better than {{if}} |
| 17:05.49 | Gryphen | we didnt have #if when {{if}} was made, most know it is better |
| 17:06.02 | pcj | yes, i'm trying to figure which template to change so it's not used |
| 17:06.53 | TOR_CNR | oh dear |
| 17:06.59 | TOR_CNR | that's... innovative :P |
| 17:08.35 | Hobinheim|work | yeah fake template functions AWESOME :mad: |
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| 17:08.50 | vhyser | Hey, how do i get the total amount of spells in a player sspellbook? |
| 17:09.00 | Hobinheim|work | there's some nasty template ninjitsu going on that, when i last checked, made it difficult to track down where qif is used |
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| 17:09.24 | Gryphen | vhyser by lua? |
| 17:09.29 | vhyser | Ye |
| 17:09.35 | Gryphen | try #wowi-lounge |
| 17:09.38 | vhyser | ah |
| 17:09.41 | vhyser | my bad ;P |
| 17:09.45 | Gryphen | tis ok |
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| 17:10.11 | pcj | yeah, something weird is going on with if...it appears to be an item-related template but all of them don't seem to use {{if}} |
| 17:11.01 | Gryphen | a ton of tooltips still use {{if}} i am sure |
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| 17:12.06 | TOR_CNR | does it have the same/similar syntax as #if? |
| 17:12.12 | Gryphen | it was used in the float param |
| 17:12.12 | pcj | same syntax basically |
| 17:12.16 | Gryphen | yeah |
| 17:12.18 | Hobinheim|work | essentially yeah |
| 17:12.32 | pcj | just less overhead for the wiki |
| 17:12.33 | TOR_CNR | you could use a bot to root it out, then, I suppose |
| 17:12.35 | Hobinheim|work | if | expr | then = | else = |
| 17:12.37 | Hobinheim|work | i think... |
| 17:12.44 | Gryphen | {{if|this|that}} to {{#if:this|that}} |
| 17:12.45 | pcj | {{#if:expr|then|else}} |
| 17:12.47 | Hobinheim|work | now it's #if : expr | first | second |
| 17:13.00 | Gryphen | oop |
| 17:13.13 | Gryphen | curse of the multitasking |
| 17:13.49 | pcj | oh it's used in the items themselves :| |
| 17:13.54 | Gryphen | yes |
| 17:14.01 | pcj | dumb dumb dumb |
| 17:15.01 | Hobinheim|work | *sigh* |
| 17:15.07 | Hobinheim|work | so little time to play wow... |
| 17:16.15 | Kaso | Kirkburn, poke. |
| 17:16.22 | pcj | i tank and work on the wiki at the same time |
| 17:16.31 | pcj | #doitem Runecloth |
| 17:16.32 | Foxbot | Sorry, pcj, I can't find the item. |
| 17:18.03 | TOR_CNR | tank? |
| 17:18.08 | Gryphen | in-game |
| 17:18.15 | Hobinheim|work | i didn't know tanks were capable of editing |
| 17:18.21 | Hobinheim|work | OH LITERACY JOKE FOR PLATE WEARERS ZING |
| 17:20.47 | Hobinheim|work | (get it? because fighters in final fantasy are stupid) |
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| 17:21.15 | pcj | No, that's dumb |
| 17:21.18 | pcj | I choose not to laugh |
| 17:22.01 | Gryphen | slowwiki :/ |
| 17:22.09 | TOR_CNR | do you have the system requirements of WoW somewhere on wiki? I'll check if our office machines are up to it :P |
| 17:23.34 | Gryphen | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/faq/technology.html |
| 17:24.24 | TOR_CNR | today we figured we could play a bit of StarCraft with the guys at StarCraft.wikia so... why not WoW? :D |
| 17:25.09 | Hobinheim|work | starcraft wikia... hmm |
| 17:25.18 | Hobinheim|work | how are they doing over there? is there a lot to edit |
| 17:26.59 | TOR_CNR | ugh... Windows and MacOS. does it run on Linux? :) |
| 17:27.26 | [NewsBot] | GamePolitics: http://gamepolitics.com/2007/07/11/video-game-link-to-philadelphias-murder-rate-politicians-probing/ |
| 17:27.40 | Gryphen | http://www.wowwiki.com/Linux |
| 17:28.37 | TOR_CNR | Hobinheim|work: almost 400 articles :P |
| 17:28.54 | Hobinheim|work | that doesn't sound like a lot |
| 17:29.03 | Gryphen | wowwiki had 400 articles once |
| 17:29.05 | Hobinheim|work | then again most of our articles are itemy |
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| 17:29.17 | Hobinheim|work | as opposed to editorial-esque |
| 17:29.46 | Kaso | TOR_CNR, does wow run on linux? yes the windows version runs fine under wine using opengl |
| 17:29.57 | Hobinheim|work | wow |
| 17:30.02 | Hobinheim|work | what is up with that DHTML rc |
| 17:30.06 | Hobinheim|work | is that in mediawiki 10? |
| 17:30.14 | Gryphen | wowwiki had 400 articles once, and then articles other than Cosmos started appearing roflz |
| 17:30.16 | TOR_CNR | Kaso: cool :) thanks for that |
| 17:30.25 | Hobinheim|work | and it doesn't look like it has a lot of activity on it |
| 17:30.41 | Gryphen | i dropped the link to the WoW Linux article if you missed it :) |
| 17:30.48 | TOR_CNR | still, it's a wonderful game and SC2 is coming out soon... :) |
| 17:31.07 | Hobinheim|work | i refuse to play sc1 in the absence of war3 2.0 ui enhancements |
| 17:31.15 | TOR_CNR | Gryphen: ah! got it now, thanks. |
| 17:31.23 | Gryphen | [LewzerBot] might have hid it :D |
| 17:31.26 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/11/your-daily-dose-of-questing/ |
| 17:31.29 | foxlit | #mload witem |
| 17:31.29 | Foxbot | Loaded [witem] |
| 17:31.35 | foxlit | #doitem Heavy Clefthoof Boots |
| 17:31.36 | Foxbot | Sorry, foxlit, page generator crashed. |
| 17:31.44 | Kaso | you suck at coding! |
| 17:31.55 | foxlit | Clearly! |
| 17:31.57 | Hobinheim|work | lol wow |
| 17:32.02 | foxlit | #munload ircinfo |
| 17:32.02 | Foxbot | Unloaded no modules |
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| 17:32.11 | foxlit | (lies!) |
| 17:32.15 | Fri | nick Tope |
| 17:32.35 | foxlit | #mload witem |
| 17:32.35 | Foxbot | Loaded [witem] |
| 17:32.38 | foxlit | #doitem Heavy Clefthoof Boots |
| 17:32.46 | Foxbot | Tooltip saved, foxlit. View at: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Sandbox/1 |
| 17:33.26 | foxlit | #mload witem |
| 17:33.27 | Foxbot | Loaded [witem] |
| 17:33.28 | foxlit | #doitem Heavy Clefthoof Boots |
| 17:33.34 | Foxbot | Tooltip saved, foxlit. View at: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Sandbox/1 |
| 17:33.43 | Hobinheim|work | that sandboxes's diffs must be out of this world |
| 17:33.48 | foxlit | Yeah |
| 17:34.08 | foxlit | Pages upon pages of Foxbot madness |
| 17:34.14 | Gryphen | foxbot hijack |
| 17:34.19 | Hobinheim|work | i work with cvs and diffs at work and it just pains me that mediawiki isn't as flexible as a straight up shell |
| 17:34.39 | pcj | #doitem Mithril Bar |
| 17:34.50 | Foxbot | Tooltip saved, pcj. View at: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Sandbox/1 |
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| 17:51.15 | foxlit | Thoughts on the general layout of http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=WoWWiki:Sandbox/1&oldid=744627 ? |
| 17:51.28 | foxlit | (tooltip is supposed to be right-aligned, ignore that) |
| 17:52.51 | pcj | The tooltip needs to be right-aligned |
| 17:53.02 | Gryphen | lol |
| 17:53.10 | pcj | what's different about it |
| 17:53.26 | foxlit | The source text |
| 17:53.31 | Gryphen | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=WoWWiki:Sandbox/1&oldid=744689 |
| 17:53.41 | Gryphen | looks good to me |
| 17:54.15 | pcj | Sure |
| 17:54.36 | foxlit | It's my updated craftable-learned template :) |
| 17:55.43 | pcj | #doitem tin bar |
| 17:55.49 | Foxbot | Tooltip saved, pcj. View at: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Sandbox/1 |
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| 17:58.57 | TecnoBrat | |Pixel|, can you tell me why the wow-europe server status XML is retardedly inconsistent? |
| 17:59.53 | TecnoBrat | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/serverstatus/index.xml has server types of RP PvP, RP PVP, RPPvP, RP-PvP, PvE, PVE, PvP, PVP, RP |
| 18:00.35 | TecnoBrat | (I'm just complaining .. cause I can) |
| 18:01.01 | FISKER_Q | :O? |
| 18:01.07 | FISKER_Q | they finally got xml status? |
| 18:01.16 | TecnoBrat | They have had it for awhile |
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| 18:03.45 | TecnoBrat | the US one is nice and consistent tho :) |
| 18:04.00 | Kaso | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg1ckCkm8YI iPhone - Will it Blend? (yes) |
| 18:04.22 | foxlit | Was there anything that wouldn't blend? |
| 18:04.47 | TecnoBrat | Kaso, haah yea, saw that yesterday :) |
| 18:05.06 | Kaso | well foxlit they seem to be avoiding doing a crow bar |
| 18:05.10 | Kaso | so prob that wont blend |
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| 18:05.24 | Kaso | im surprised how long the iphone stayed on for. |
| 18:06.49 | Dotted | |Pixel| <3 http://www.wow-europe.com/en/serverstatus/index.xml |
| 18:07.57 | TecnoBrat | I've been using that for about 3 weeks, so its been up at least that long, probably longer |
| 18:08.09 | TecnoBrat | Just needed to scoop it from the page :P |
| 18:10.45 | TecnoBrat | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a78-aqY_FU&mode=related&search= |
| 18:10.52 | TecnoBrat | Sometimes, it won't blend. |
| 18:16.27 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/11/217-million-people-playing-games-world-wide-or-are-there/ |
| 18:16.45 | Kaso | Kirkburn, stopped being and afk noob yet? |
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| 18:18.57 | pcj | </slowwiki> |
| 18:19.01 | Gryphen | ya |
| 18:19.16 | Hobinheim|work | oh shiz |
| 18:19.21 | Hobinheim|work | are you dissing the captain |
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| 18:19.41 | pcj | yes |
| 18:20.12 | pcj | #doitem moonsteel broadsword |
| 18:20.24 | Foxbot | Tooltip saved, pcj. View at: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Sandbox/1 |
| 18:20.37 | Hobinheim|work | #autoloot mad purpz |
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| 18:35.34 | pcj | can someone fix http://www.wowwiki.com/Black_Dragonscale_Boots |
| 18:36.26 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/11/getting-married-in-a-virtual-realm/ |
| 18:50.28 | TecnoBrat | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nexCyw8hYuk |
| 18:55.03 | Gryphen | ssslowwiki |
| 18:55.17 | pcj | *cry* |
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| 18:59.53 | TimRIP | elo people .. i'm trying to do a helloworld but i'm exp. some difficulties |
| 19:00.07 | TimRIP | tryed to follow this link |
| 19:00.10 | TimRIP | C:\Documents and Settings\Tim Andersen\Lokale indstillinger\Temp\Blizzard Installer Temporary Data - 96c78368\Tutorial.html |
| 19:00.15 | TimRIP | hehe |
| 19:00.20 | pcj | in World of Warcraft? |
| 19:00.21 | TimRIP | local sry |
| 19:00.23 | TimRIP | yah |
| 19:00.52 | pcj | try #wowi-lounge |
| 19:01.02 | pcj | this is for discussion of the wiki itself |
| 19:01.07 | TimRIP | oki thx |
| 19:01.33 | TimRIP | sry for disturbing ya |
| 19:01.35 | pcj | np |
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| 19:04.34 | pcj | sloooow |
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| 19:05.20 | Gryphen | argg |
| 19:06.04 | TOR_CNR | pcj: seems to ba js problem... |
| 19:06.13 | pcj | what |
| 19:06.18 | TOR_CNR | the slowness |
| 19:06.25 | Gryphen | google ads dont show |
| 19:06.26 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/11/bigredkitty-just-say-no-to-serpent-sting/ |
| 19:06.41 | pcj | oh, i use adblock anyway, don't even see ads |
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| 19:07.24 | Gryphen | that is a side note, not that it has to do with the the slowness |
| 19:07.35 | TOR_CNR | probably does :P |
| 19:07.41 | Gryphen | the ads have been broken since yesterday and didnt affect speed for me |
| 19:08.22 | Gryphen | it will be good for a bit then bog down, been doing that a bit today, it isnt consistant |
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| 19:08.27 | TOR_CNR | oh? hmm... maybe that's a separate problem on WoW. They're appearing OK on other Wikia sites but the loading slows down just before they appear. |
| 19:08.44 | dfdf | can you transfer players from the us to european servers? |
| 19:08.53 | pcj | no |
| 19:08.54 | Gryphen | this is full page slowness |
| 19:09.06 | Gryphen | sometimes loading with no css |
| 19:09.07 | dfdf | i'm not paying the subscription for 3 days |
| 19:09.16 | pcj | ok |
| 19:09.28 | dfdf | so the onl7y trial account i could get was with uk :( |
| 19:09.46 | dfdf | i may stay on the us servers because i'm irish and english is my first language |
| 19:13.31 | dfdf | s/uk/ |
| 19:13.33 | dfdf | us |
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| 19:14.12 | Sandwichman2448 | What it is peoples? |
| 19:16.44 | pcj | ugh replacing use of {{if}} |
| 19:16.47 | pcj | ITS SO ANNOYING |
| 19:17.34 | Sandwichman2448 | {{if}}? |
| 19:17.42 | Gryphen | it is a job for bots |
| 19:18.12 | Sandwichman2448 | Oh, i see what he is doing. |
| 19:18.15 | pcj | well yeah but the syntax changes |
| 19:18.20 | pcj | from page to page |
| 19:21.29 | Sandwichman2448 | I made a cat for user /theories/ as opposed to more storyesque fan fiction. |
| 19:21.42 | Sandwichman2448 | No one cares. :P |
| 19:23.05 | dfdf | is the game downloaded from wow.com and the european site any different? |
| 19:23.24 | dfdf | just i'm setting up an eu account |
| 19:23.33 | dfdf | but i've the american one almost downloaded |
| 19:23.42 | dfdf | i know how to change the servers |
| 19:23.49 | dfdf | but will threre be more to it than that? |
| 19:24.01 | pcj | um i think it might have localization differences |
| 19:24.07 | pcj | like enUS vs enGB |
| 19:24.19 | pcj | you'll have to download enUS patches etc |
| 19:24.42 | dfdf | bah |
| 19:26.12 | foxlit | The difference between enUS and enGB is that enGB includes localization architecture |
| 19:26.31 | foxlit | So enGB patches also patch deDE, frFR and whatever the spanish designation is |
| 19:36.49 | dfdf | i've decided to play it safe amd download the euro one |
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| 19:45.01 | Sandwichman2448 | Did I mess things up? With the Void? |
| 19:45.25 | [NewsBot] | Blizzplanet: Next Major Patch - DOTs vs. Resilence - http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=1496 |
| 19:45.55 | Sandwichman2448 | Shut up. |
| 19:46.08 | Hobinheim|work | it's not a job for bots |
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| 19:46.10 | Hobinheim|work | the if things |
| 19:46.14 | Hobinheim|work | be really careful |
| 19:46.39 | Hobinheim|work | i would have botted it myself it it was possible. i mean, it is possible, just tedious |
| 19:47.10 | foxlit | whowhatwhywherewhen? |
| 19:47.55 | Sandwichman2448 | Did I mess things up? |
| 19:48.05 | dfdf | can all humans get a suit of armour? |
| 19:48.16 | dfdf | i'm trying to decide between warrior and palladin |
| 19:48.18 | Sandwichman2448 | not casters |
| 19:48.34 | dfdf | casters - those who cast spells? |
| 19:48.37 | Sandwichman2448 | yes |
| 19:48.43 | dfdf | like palladins? |
| 19:49.01 | Sandwichman2448 | No, they get armor. |
| 19:49.05 | dfdf | 'they call on the holy power." |
| 19:49.07 | dfdf | cool |
| 19:49.18 | dfdf | i'll go with a warrior then |
| 19:49.21 | Sandwichman2448 | unless you want to be an endgame healer. |
| 19:49.34 | Sandwichman2448 | then you trade off armor for spell power. |
| 19:49.35 | dfdf | what about the other human |
| 19:49.41 | dfdf | the ones that are called merceneries |
| 19:49.47 | dfdf | i can't of their proper nam |
| 19:49.48 | dfdf | e |
| 19:49.51 | Sandwichman2448 | Rogues? |
| 19:49.52 | dfdf | i'm reinstalling :) |
| 19:49.53 | dfdf | yeah |
| 19:50.00 | Sandwichman2448 | The can i think. |
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| 19:50.20 | Sandwichman2448 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Class |
| 19:50.32 | dfdf | when you have two characters can you play both of them at onnce |
| 19:50.36 | dfdf | thganks for the link |
| 19:50.53 | Sandwichman2448 | If you Multibox |
| 19:50.59 | dfdf | i see |
| 19:51.10 | dfdf | what's your favourite character? |
| 19:51.13 | Sandwichman2448 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Dual_box |
| 19:51.24 | Sandwichman2448 | Hunter or Paladin. |
| 19:52.21 | dfdf | cool hunters get pets |
| 19:52.27 | dfdf | can warriors get pets? |
| 19:52.46 | Sandwichman2448 | Engineering ones. |
| 19:52.56 | Sandwichman2448 | If you work hard. |
| 19:53.02 | dfdf | i will :) |
| 19:53.05 | Sandwichman2448 | But not beasts. |
| 19:53.20 | dfdf | shite |
| 19:53.29 | zeeg | http://www.cursebeta.com/articles/details/2417/?css=dark |
| 19:53.32 | zeeg | hwos that? :) |
| 19:53.34 | dfdf | it's hard to decide which character to pick |
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| 19:55.30 | Sandwichman2448 | No one has told me yet if i messed up the Void page. |
| 19:55.43 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+v ClydeJr] by ChanServ |
| 19:57.45 | Sandwichman2448 | Anythoughts? |
| 19:59.03 | Sandwichman2448 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Void_%28race%29 |
| 20:00.33 | pcj | It's horrible? |
| 20:00.46 | Sandwichman2448 | I made a cat for user /theories/ as opposed to more storyesque fan fiction. Guess what? Still no one cares. Fan fic is gay. |
| 20:00.51 | pcj | duh |
| 20:01.00 | Sandwichman2448 | yeah... |
| 20:01.29 | Sandwichman2448 | Fix it, |
| 20:01.40 | pcj | it looks ok i guess |
| 20:01.52 | Sandwichman2448 | I ment the redirect |
| 20:02.11 | Sandwichman2448 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Twisting_Nether |
| 20:02.13 | dfdf | nice video zeeg |
| 20:03.03 | zeeg | not the video, the page |
| 20:03.50 | Sandwichman2448 | Anyone care about my category? |
| 20:04.04 | Sandwichman2448 | No you do not. |
| 20:04.10 | Sandwichman2448 | >:( |
| 20:05.47 | dfdf | what's the strongest human character? |
| 20:05.55 | Sandwichman2448 | Depends. |
| 20:06.02 | Sandwichman2448 | Strong IN what? |
| 20:06.26 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/11/register-for-live-contests-at-blizzcon/ |
| 20:07.31 | Sandwichman2448 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Lil_Timmy I think. |
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| 20:07.52 | ClydeJr | foxlit, you there? |
| 20:07.58 | [NewsBot] | MMO Champion: More Zul'aman informations, Guild bank and Voice Chat coming soon. - http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=456.0 |
| 20:09.16 | pcj | aaaahhhh http://www.wowwiki.com/Diary_of_Weavil |
| 20:09.54 | Teomyr | ouch |
| 20:10.56 | laurly | Gryphen got templates working http://www.wowwiki.com/Bog_Lord |
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| 20:11.22 | TecnoBrat | zeeg |
| 20:11.24 | TecnoBrat | nice :) |
| 20:11.37 | laurly | good little bot isnt she :) |
| 20:11.38 | Gryphen | nice laurly |
| 20:11.41 | TecnoBrat | the icons on the right need proper transparency |
| 20:12.12 | TecnoBrat | "Buy this game" "add to games" etcv |
| 20:12.13 | Sandwichman2448 | THE Zul'Jin in the model viewer has no SCARF!! |
| 20:12.23 | TecnoBrat | same with the member box at the top left |
| 20:12.44 | laurly | eah? |
| 20:13.00 | Sandwichman2448 | Eh? |
| 20:14.07 | laurly | is it me or are the icons on the left not the right |
| 20:14.14 | Sandwichman2448 | Zul'Jin has no SCARF! |
| 20:14.39 | Sandwichman2448 | A retcon of epic proportions! |
| 20:14.45 | TecnoBrat | huh? I'm talking baout the curse page |
| 20:14.52 | laurly | hehe dont scare me :) |
| 20:14.53 | TecnoBrat | there is big yellow icons on the right |
| 20:15.23 | Sandwichman2448 | Zul'jin = has scarf! |
| 20:15.28 | Hobinheim|work | ARE YOU EBAY USER LADIES MAN TWO ONE SEVEN |
| 20:15.49 | Sandwichman2448 | That was a good movie. |
| 20:16.14 | laurly | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Wantedpages wtf's up with gems? |
| 20:16.19 | Hobinheim|work | ahhh youu.... samm witwicky, descendant of archibald wit wicky |
| 20:16.21 | Sandwichman2448 | I am sandwich man two four four eaight. |
| 20:16.52 | Sandwichman2448 | Can't ya read? |
| 20:17.32 | pcj | can someone fix http://www.wowwiki.com/Champion%27s_Chain_Helm |
| 20:18.26 | Gryphen | if there is no set pcj, just stick <onlyinclude></onlyinclude> at the top of the set page temporarily |
| 20:18.39 | Hobinheim|work | WHERE ARE THE GLASSES |
| 20:18.43 | Gryphen | but i would make the set :p |
| 20:18.53 | pcj | there is a set, someone just put a picture in it |
| 20:19.22 | Gryphen | its inlcuding the whole page |
| 20:19.41 | TecnoBrat | Scyth02 edited all of the gem templates |
| 20:20.01 | TecnoBrat | and made gems into "Gem:Name" from the looks of it |
| 20:20.21 | pcj | Gems:Name |
| 20:20.30 | TecnoBrat | whoops, sorry, yea |
| 20:21.19 | TecnoBrat | but he didnt actually move the items |
| 20:21.31 | TecnoBrat | nor so I think we need a namespace of "Gems" |
| 20:23.04 | laurly | its impresive what it did to brokent links 36 pages :) |
| 20:23.17 | foxlit | Mwhahaha |
| 20:23.22 | foxlit | Moonkin wins. |
| 20:23.38 | Sandwichman2448 | BOOMKIN! |
| 20:24.03 | foxlit | (#1 dps slot on High King) |
| 20:24.14 | foxlit | [although I cheated by tanking Kig] |
| 20:26.44 | Sandwichman2448 | Why does no one care what I say? |
| 20:27.02 | pcj | because you talk about stuff no one cares about? |
| 20:27.19 | Sandwichman2448 | Yeah..................... |
| 20:27.27 | Sandwichman2448 | :( |
| 20:28.22 | Hobinheim|work | burn |
| 20:28.30 | Sandwichman2448 | :( |
| 20:29.23 | Boubouille | http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/july/spectraltiger.jpg |
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| 20:29.46 | Sandwichman2448 | Anyone care about my category? |
| 20:29.54 | pcj | what category |
| 20:30.13 | Sandwichman2448 | Why does no one care/listen to what I say? |
| 20:30.20 | pcj | what is it you are saying |
| 20:30.22 | Sandwichman2448 | I have been spamming it |
| 20:30.22 | TecnoBrat | because you talk about stuff no one cares about |
| 20:30.29 | pcj | pwned |
| 20:30.43 | TecnoBrat | Boubouille, nice 404 |
| 20:30.51 | TecnoBrat | its a great 404, really |
| 20:31.13 | TecnoBrat | I like what you did with the white |
| 20:31.16 | TecnoBrat | and the black text on it |
| 20:31.19 | TecnoBrat | really amazing |
| 20:31.23 | TecnoBrat | :P |
| 20:31.35 | dfdf | Sandwichman2448: strong in battle of course :D! |
| 20:31.49 | dfdf | sorry i was on the tellerphon |
| 20:31.56 | Sandwichman2448 | Finally you say somthing. |
| 20:31.58 | Boubouille | fuck you |
| 20:31.59 | Boubouille | and fixed. |
| 20:32.00 | Boubouille | :( |
| 20:32.03 | TecnoBrat | hehe |
| 20:32.18 | TecnoBrat | that was the proper response I was looking for |
| 20:32.20 | TecnoBrat | thank you :) |
| 20:32.37 | TecnoBrat | where's that from? |
| 20:32.43 | Sandwichman2448 | Um... Paladins, warriors, feral druids, rouges to some extent... |
| 20:33.08 | pcj | what kinds of rouge? |
| 20:33.14 | Sandwichman2448 | Voidwalkers |
| 20:33.17 | TecnoBrat | the red kind |
| 20:33.26 | TecnoBrat | very red rouge |
| 20:34.18 | Hobinheim|work | a moulin rouge |
| 20:34.32 | Sandwichman2448 | The Bloodfang? |
| 20:34.42 | Sandwichman2448 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Forsaken_Bloodfang.jpg |
| 20:34.48 | Sandwichman2448 | ..That is red... |
| 20:35.18 | TecnoBrat | I'm making fun of your spelling :P |
| 20:36.15 | Sandwichman2448 | Wait... Oh. |
| 20:36.22 | Sandwichman2448 | I just got it. |
| 20:36.26 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/11/switching-out-for-a-replacement-in-instances/ |
| 20:36.43 | pcj | *sigh* |
| 20:37.01 | Sandwichman2448 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:User_ideas as opposed to storyesque fan fic. |
| 20:37.56 | pcj | nah |
| 20:38.43 | Sandwichman2448 | I was not the first to propose it. |
| 20:38.58 | Sandwichman2448 | I am just the first to spam it. |
| 20:39.06 | pcj | and look how many pages are in there already! |
| 20:39.16 | Sandwichman2448 | I said no one cared. |
| 20:39.32 | pcj | Well, at least you're not in denial |
| 20:39.52 | Sandwichman2448 | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#User_rumors.2Fspeculation |
| 20:40.07 | Sandwichman2448 | I got two feedbacks. |
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| 20:41.37 | pcj | One of whom didn't seem to really know what was going on |
| 20:42.06 | Sandwichman2448 | Eh. |
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| 20:43.41 | Sandwichman2448 | Point? |
| 20:43.52 | Gryphen | seems useless to me |
| 20:44.14 | Sandwichman2448 | Eh. |
| 20:44.15 | pcj | Yeh, pretty useless, whatever the fanfic category is should work pretty well |
| 20:44.48 | Gryphen | but then i think speculation/fanstuff is annoying to look at |
| 20:45.00 | pcj | /agree |
| 20:45.08 | Sandwichman2448 | i did this because of the prosed Rumor cat split |
| 20:45.27 | [NewsBot] | Blizzplanet: E3 2007 - Zul'Aman Unveiled - http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=1497 |
| 20:46.36 | Sandwichman2448 | The speculation temp is frowned upon on user pages more than normal. |
| 20:47.04 | pcj | because they aren't typically regarded as being fact |
| 20:47.25 | Sandwichman2448 | So? They are marked as not fact. |
| 20:47.49 | pcj | well the speculation tag is kind of redundant then |
| 20:47.55 | [NewsBot] | MMO Champion: New mount added in a future TCG Expansion. - http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=457.0 |
| 20:48.49 | Sandwichman2448 | There is a diff between Ideas on futuer things and Ideas on lore gaps. |
| 20:49.30 | Sandwichman2448 | I spelled it wrong on purpose. |
| 20:50.28 | pcj | I bet you did |
| 20:50.51 | Sandwichman2448 | Really if you do not care why should I?r |
| 20:51.07 | pcj | i don't know |
| 20:51.31 | Sandwichman2448 | Right. you don't. |
| 20:52.09 | TecnoBrat | Circular discussions are FW |
| 20:52.11 | TecnoBrat | FTW* |
| 20:52.32 | Sandwichman2448 | I also split void things. |
| 20:53.53 | pcj | Yeah, most people will probably look up voidwalkers for abilities/stats and couldn't care less about the race |
| 20:54.05 | pcj | But as long as it redirects that's fine i guess |
| 20:55.52 | Sandwichman2448 | Whatever. |
| 20:55.55 | pcj | Indeed |
| 20:56.21 | pcj | #doitem Eskhandar's Right Claw |
| 20:56.29 | Foxbot | Tooltip saved, pcj. View at: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Sandbox/1 |
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| 20:58.54 | pcj | can someone tell me why i keep getting stuff like http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Eskhandar%27s_Right_Claw&oldid=745205 on set pages |
| 21:00.47 | Gryphen | it is including the main set page and there is no set include on them |
| 21:01.01 | pcj | so how do i fix it |
| 21:01.12 | Gryphen | http://www.wowwiki.com/Lightforge_Armor |
| 21:01.12 | Sandwichman2448 | I try do enact a proposed somthing, and everyone who agreed forgets... |
| 21:01.20 | Gryphen | see that page for example pcj |
| 21:01.26 | TecnoBrat | uhhh wtf |
| 21:01.35 | TecnoBrat | I just unplugged my headphones ... |
| 21:01.40 | TecnoBrat | and my computer shut down .. |
| 21:01.46 | TecnoBrat | closed all of my programs .. logged off |
| 21:01.48 | TecnoBrat | and shut down |
| 21:02.04 | Sandwichman2448 | Then how are you on? |
| 21:02.24 | TecnoBrat | I use BNC |
| 21:04.43 | pcj | oh |
| 21:06.26 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/11/more-bugs-than-patches/ |
| 21:08.27 | Sandwichman2448 | I hate people. |
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| 21:10.07 | pcj | he seems depressed |
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| 21:24.56 | xb95 | anybody have a good reference on shaman healing specifically regarding a discussion of +healing vs +mp5? trying to figure out enchants for my gear |
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| 21:28.51 | TecnoBrat | +healing exponentially increases the effectiveness of mp5 |
| 21:28.53 | TecnoBrat | so you need a mix. |
| 21:29.34 | foxlit | expo-a-what-a? :) |
| 21:29.46 | TecnoBrat | :P |
| 21:29.55 | foxlit | People tend to abuse the word exponentially |
| 21:30.08 | xb95 | yeah, I know I want a mix, just not sure what to aim for |
| 21:30.18 | xb95 | I've seen some folsk recommend 10:1 +heal:mp5 |
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| 21:30.53 | xb95 | I almost exclusively raid, with some 5 mans thrown in |
| 21:31.01 | TecnoBrat | You should be able to get about 140 mp5 and 1600 healing in kara gear |
| 21:31.20 | TecnoBrat | actually not sure baout that +healing |
| 21:31.22 | pcj | sloooow |
| 21:31.31 | deltron | xb95: I used to have more +heal to mp5, now I'm around 10:1 or so |
| 21:31.47 | deltron | noticed a big difference |
| 21:31.52 | TecnoBrat | you can get 1600 for a paladin, but thats with our int => healing talent |
| 21:32.03 | TecnoBrat | #char us korgath progeny |
| 21:32.05 | Foxbot | TecnoBrat: Progeny, Level 10 Warrior (0/0/0). 261 HP. |
| 21:32.11 | TecnoBrat | #char us korgath barbanus |
| 21:32.13 | Foxbot | TecnoBrat: Barbanus, Level 70 Paladin (42/19/0). 6857 HP; 10218 Mana; 126 Str; 14956 Armor; 136 mp5; +91 spell crit rating; 1652 +heal. |
| 21:32.22 | pcj | #char us dernham |
| 21:32.33 | pcj | #char us maelstrom dernham |
| 21:32.34 | deltron | #char us suramar diode |
| 21:32.35 | Foxbot | pcj: Dernham, Level 70 Paladin (0/61/0). 11517 HP; 4068 Mana; 250 Str; 150 Agi; 14288 Armor; +355 defense; 18.16% dodge. |
| 21:32.36 | Foxbot | deltron: Diode, Level 70 Shaman (0/3/58). 9079 HP; 12337 Mana; 121 Str; 10278 Armor; 152 mp5; 1567 +heal. |
| 21:33.13 | deltron | 61 in prot? |
| 21:33.25 | TecnoBrat | looks like you are raid buffed diode :P |
| 21:33.30 | deltron | lol |
| 21:33.31 | deltron | yeah |
| 21:33.36 | deltron | logged out like that |
| 21:33.37 | deltron | was tired |
| 21:33.45 | xb95 | #char us feathermoon dahneille |
| 21:33.47 | Foxbot | xb95: Dahneille, Level 70 Shaman (0/5/56). 6829 HP; 9033 Mana; 103 Str; 96 mp5; +47 spell crit rating; 1375 +heal. |
| 21:33.57 | deltron | 11K mana unbuffed, all mail :D |
| 21:35.06 | foxlit | neeeerf! |
| 21:35.21 | xb95 | yeah, my gear's half crap |
| 21:35.33 | xb95 | done like 2 KZ runs and got yanked into SSC/TK :p |
| 21:35.39 | deltron | hehe |
| 21:35.54 | deltron | you're in the same battle realm as me -_- |
| 21:36.06 | xb95 | if you've been doing WSG today sorry for standing in the corner AFKing |
| 21:36.11 | deltron | lol |
| 21:36.12 | xb95 | hate pvp ;P |
| 21:36.13 | deltron | nah |
| 21:36.20 | deltron | i'm at work |
| 21:36.29 | xb95 | me too. ;o |
| 21:37.14 | pcj | #doitem Manual of Eviscerate IX |
| 21:37.18 | Foxbot | Tooltip saved, pcj. View at: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Sandbox/1 |
| 21:41.26 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/11/it-came-from-the-blog-questalicious/ |
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| 21:47.40 | pcj | #doitem 6666 |
| 21:47.43 | Foxbot | Tooltip saved, pcj. View at: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Sandbox/1 |
| 21:50.07 | foxlit | Oh wow |
| 21:50.10 | foxlit | They actually updated armory |
| 21:50.33 | foxlit | Or maybe not |
| 21:50.42 | pcj | heh |
| 21:50.46 | pcj | *sigh* http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Category:User_ideas&curid=111731&diff=745368&oldid=745332&rcid=661385 |
| 21:51.01 | foxlit | #mload witem |
| 21:51.02 | Foxbot | Loaded [witem] |
| 21:55.16 | Gryphen | aggg wikiii |
| 21:55.22 | pcj | yeh |
| 21:55.32 | pcj | #sup |
| 21:55.50 | Foxbot | Queues: 0 Items; 0 Elinks. |
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| 21:58.04 | foxlit | #mload ircinfo |
| 21:58.05 | Foxbot | Loaded no modules |
| 21:58.17 | foxlit | #mload irc |
| 21:58.18 | Foxbot | Loaded [irc] |
| 21:58.47 | Mikk | dang, no kirkbum |
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| 22:02.16 | Mikk | anyway, this is what i did for angie and the wikia t-shirts, if someone's interested: |
| 22:02.18 | Mikk | http://mikk.cjb.net/logo-800x800.png |
| 22:02.28 | Mikk | http://mikk.cjb.net/starcraftwiki.png |
| 22:02.32 | Mikk | http://mikk.cjb.net/diablowiki.png |
| 22:03.26 | *** part/#wowwiki Mikk (n=opera@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 22:05.14 | foxlit | Needs a wiki subtext! |
| 22:05.29 | foxlit | s/wiki/witty/ |
| 22:05.48 | foxlit | Where [[you]] get your {{loot}} |
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| 22:31.10 | pcj | slowiki |
| 22:35.30 | pcj | now why is http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Lieutenant_Commander%27s_Plate_Helm messing up |
| 22:35.37 | pcj | i added the appropriate <onlyinclude> tags |
| 22:37.38 | Dotted | FISKER_Q #newz.dk join eller du failer! |
| 22:40.51 | Kirkburn | Kaso___, hullo |
| 22:40.58 | MatthewS | ffs's |
| 22:41.07 | Kirkburn | Morning Matt :P |
| 22:41.09 | pcj | a little late |
| 22:41.13 | Gryphen | aggg |
| 22:41.16 | Gryphen | slowwwikiii |
| 22:42.58 | pcj | #sup |
| 22:42.59 | Foxbot | Queues: 0 Items; 0 Elinks. |
| 22:43.47 | pcj | sloooow |
| 22:43.52 | MatthewS | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.53 | MatthewS | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.04 | MatthewS | one of those two lines is doing it in Parser |
| 22:44.19 | pcj | #doitem Helm of Narv |
| 22:44.49 | Foxbot | Tooltip saved, pcj. View at: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Sandbox/1 |
| 22:45.25 | [NewsBot] | Blizzplanet: E3 2007 - Starcraft II - http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=1498 |
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| 22:47.56 | foxlit | pcj: bah |
| 22:48.01 | pcj | what |
| 22:48.02 | foxlit | Don't add dummy onlyincludes? |
| 22:48.13 | winkiller | #dolist Black Lodestone, Xorothian Glyphs, J'eevee's Jar |
| 22:48.13 | Foxbot | Okay, winkiller, queued Black Lodestone, Xorothian Glyphs, J'eevee's Jar. |
| 22:48.18 | pcj | :( |
| 22:48.29 | Gryphen | dont add dummy ones, but it should work |
| 22:48.34 | pcj | #doitem 18266 |
| 22:48.35 | Foxbot | Crashed while getting item data. Is armory up? |
| 22:48.36 | Gryphen | think there is a naming issue |
| 22:48.56 | Gryphen | Lieutenant Commander's Battlegear vs Lieutenant Commander's Battlearmor |
| 22:53.32 | foxlit | #quit Boo! |
| 22:53.56 | pcj | NOOOO |
| 22:54.01 | pcj | well there goes that idea |
| 22:54.15 | winkiller | ah, foxlit - dunno if it's intended, but #doitem(page) has (queued by <user>) and dolist doesn't |
| 22:55.08 | pcj | doitem doesn't have the "requested by <user>" |
| 22:55.16 | pcj | doitempage is the only one that does :P |
| 22:56.04 | foxlit | #doitempage may be getting retired soon |
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| 22:56.26 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/11/zulaman-sneak-preview-at-e3/ |
| 22:56.33 | pcj | yeah too easy to circumvent bans |
| 22:57.44 | foxlit | It's not really that :) |
| 23:02.27 | Gryphen | doh |
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| 23:18.42 | MatthewS | ok |
| 23:18.47 | MatthewS | im going to start backing things out |
| 23:20.35 | pcj | of what |
| 23:21.40 | Gryphen | making a jobqueue |
| 23:22.22 | foxlit | make a better jobqueue :) |
| 23:23.19 | pcj | we have the technology? |
| 23:25.15 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 23:26.00 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Khan_Dez%27hepah |
| 23:28.16 | Gryphen | the quest does exist tho :) |
| 23:28.42 | pcj | the actual quest does but that's just the boilerplate |
| 23:30.24 | foxlit | wowi stories may suck |
| 23:30.30 | foxlit | But comments are awesome |
| 23:30.31 | foxlit | "If you have problems generating rage, you already outgear the content. Man up, and tank without pants." |
| 23:33.34 | MatthewS | woot, recursive template somewhere |
| 23:34.01 | pcj | Yay |
| 23:34.17 | Gryphen | not suprising :) |
| 23:34.26 | pcj | Probably a couple |
| 23:41.05 | MatthewS | anyone know what template would collate all the Qual-color template values? |
| 23:42.29 | MatthewS | ah ha |
| 23:42.33 | MatthewS | well, no |
| 23:43.44 | Gryphen | Qual-color is pretty new, nothing links to it |
| 23:43.49 | MatthewS | so i think its qual-color related |
| 23:44.05 | Gryphen | Qual-color-COLOR are the biggies |
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| 23:45.35 | foxlit | MatthewS: {{loot}}, {{quality}} pull qual-colors |
| 23:45.42 | foxlit | *qual-color-* |
| 23:46.00 | foxlit | And I know of a few recursive tempaltes. Anything wrong with that? :) |
| 23:46.21 | MatthewS | ones that call qual-color? |
| 23:46.45 | MatthewS | something in the last couple of days |
| 23:47.18 | foxlit | No, not ones that call qual-color |
| 23:47.25 | Gryphen | they have used them for a long while |
| 23:47.48 | pcj | Just look at recent changes in Template namespace |
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| 23:49.43 | foxlit | There's nothing really interesting :/ |
| 23:50.22 | foxlit | I mean {{gallery}} calls itself, but that's a rather controlled; with any luck that actually saved a template fetch call |
| 23:51.28 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/11/making-money-in-bc-mine/ |
