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| 00:11.09 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Murloc |
| 00:11.17 | Bagginsww | added some murloc cultural stuff |
| 00:11.39 | Bagginsww | tried to remove as much brannisms as possible |
| 00:13.41 | Sandwichman2448 | Brann = good or bad? |
| 00:13.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Good |
| 00:14.01 | Kirkburn|afk | (as a person) |
| 00:14.19 | Sandwichman2448 | Not as a recearcher? |
| 00:14.30 | Kirkburn|afk | As a researcher he can be a bit alliance biased |
| 00:14.49 | Kirkburn|afk | (something he says and knows) |
| 00:16.35 | Sandwichman2448 | I in truth own little RPG material. |
| 00:18.07 | Kirkburn|afk | He's Alliance biased because of where he comes from, but he respects many aspects of the Horde |
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| 00:19.52 | Bagginsww | He's more anti forsaken if anything |
| 00:20.00 | Bagginsww | he's pretty good friends iwth orcs and tauren |
| 00:20.16 | Bagginsww | as for trolls it depends on the trolls |
| 00:20.38 | Bagginsww | He's ambivalent towards Horde Trolls |
| 00:20.38 | Bagginsww | he doesn't trust independent trolls |
| 00:21.03 | Bagginsww | to be honest pretty much every horde he talks to is anti-forsaken lol |
| 00:21.09 | Bagginsww | Even thrall |
| 00:21.10 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 00:21.33 | Bagginsww | Basically thrall just let them into the horde because theyd make good fodder if they ever had to go to war |
| 00:21.48 | Bagginsww | better to let "allies" die first, :) |
| 00:22.20 | Bagginsww | and he was desperate there wasn't enough Horde to stand up to a fight with Alliance and other forces |
| 00:23.28 | Bagginsww | but the main rasin I debrannify is more because its not the style of the wikipedia |
| 00:23.38 | Bagginsww | we don't use "first person" descriptions LOL |
| 00:23.54 | Bagginsww | He's a bit too informal |
| 00:24.27 | Bagginsww | so I have to convert it to more formal descriptions |
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| 00:29.12 | foxlit | Mwhahaha, curse should arrange a cronpull from files.wowace.com |
| 00:29.46 | TecnoBrat | man balancing an ex-gf, work and a kid is tough |
| 00:30.02 | Bagginsww | but ya I would say that Brann isn't really alliance biased, most of the time he isn't |
| 00:30.08 | Bagginsww | He's pretty good at insulting his own kind |
| 00:30.29 | Bagginsww | when they do things he things are ethically wrong. |
| 00:30.51 | Bagginsww | He has strong words towars current Alliance as well. |
| 00:30.54 | Sandwichman2448 | Like eat gnomes and bael modan? |
| 00:31.06 | Bagginsww | eat gnomes? |
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| 00:32.07 | Bagginsww | Well he has said that he feels that dwarves and gnomes at bael modan had some flaws, for example not making sure the tauren knew why they were digging up the mountains before they started |
| 00:32.33 | Bagginsww | He feels tauren would have understood if they knew it was for ancestral worship reasons |
| 00:32.55 | Sandwichman2448 | Did they have to blow up the village? |
| 00:33.09 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Dwarven_relations |
| 00:33.20 | Bagginsww | that's the problem sandwich they weren't blowing up the village |
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| 00:33.28 | Bagginsww | they were blowing up a mountain near the village |
| 00:33.33 | Sandwichman2448 | ? |
| 00:33.35 | Bagginsww | it wasn't until the Tauren form the village retaliated |
| 00:33.47 | Bagginsww | that the dwarves attacked the Tauren in revenge |
| 00:33.53 | Sandwichman2448 | I did not know this. |
| 00:33.58 | Bagginsww | so basically both sides are at fault |
| 00:34.05 | Bagginsww | Tauren claim dwarves are all bad |
| 00:34.06 | Sandwichman2448 | Yeah. |
| 00:34.26 | Bagginsww | to start with it was basically the dwarves making a racket in the mountains LOL |
| 00:34.44 | Sandwichman2448 | LOL |
| 00:35.02 | Bagginsww | The geology of the region dictates we use extreme measures however. Many of the sand deposits have solidified under the harsh conditions and varying climate. |
| 00:35.02 | Bagginsww | The solution is quite simple however. Using wood pulp as an absorbent, we can combine traces of nitroglycerin with sodium nitrate to develop a strong blasting charge, capable of breaking through even the most dense masses. |
| 00:35.02 | Bagginsww | The work will be noisy and disruptive but our search is of far greater importance than the comfort of the local inhabitants. In fact, we've already had to drive a band of bull-men out of the area who were proving to be a nuisance. |
| 00:35.03 | Bagginsww | The fact that we are dealing with various rogue elements out here leads me to believe we will need support from the King's Army. Not only will the excavation require military support, it would seem to my novice eye that the location of Bael Modan might be of strategic value to the Alliance considering the volatility of world politics in their current state. |
| 00:35.08 | Bagginsww | Alas, I have digressed. There is much work to be done beneath the rock. I have spent too much time writing and not enough digging... |
| 00:35.50 | Bagginsww | RPG clarified what the nuisances included |
| 00:35.59 | Bagginsww | and not just brann written books |
| 00:36.14 | Sandwichman2448 | Dynamite has clay in it. |
| 00:36.25 | Bagginsww | The dwarves and gnomes suffer constant attacks from the Horde, especially nearby tauren from Mulgore.LoM 28 The tauren attempt to destroy Ironforge dwarf dig sites at every oppertunity, hassling dwarven archaeologists any way they can and stopping just short of open warfare.A&HC 64 |
| 00:37.03 | Bagginsww | A&HC isn't an in-universe book as far as I know |
| 00:37.11 | Bagginsww | its not written by anyone specific |
| 00:37.21 | Bagginsww | just the real-world authors |
| 00:37.40 | Bagginsww | with Metzen acting as one of the editors |
| 00:38.02 | Sandwichman2448 | Better for our articles. |
| 00:38.14 | Bagginsww | Ya, easier to type up |
| 00:38.20 | Bagginsww | Only minor paraphrasing |
| 00:38.43 | Bagginsww | I don't ahve to change perspective |
| 00:39.35 | Bagginsww | Kirkburn you know what's funny? |
| 00:39.43 | Kirkburn|afk | The fish dance? |
| 00:39.49 | Sandwichman2448 | In an unrelated not was a consensus reached on the Nerubian Inconclusion |
| 00:39.56 | Bagginsww | we have people like zarnks and angry ogre that come on and claim we are alliance biased |
| 00:40.07 | Kirkburn|afk | rawr |
| 00:40.12 | Bagginsww | But there are people over in rpg forums that hate us because we are "horde biased" |
| 00:40.19 | Kirkburn|afk | >_> |
| 00:40.30 | Bagginsww | I had to tell one of them to rewrite the Bael Modan article to make it more neutral friendly lol |
| 00:40.34 | Sandwichman2448 | They are biased. |
| 00:40.37 | Bagginsww | which I think him for |
| 00:40.46 | Kirkburn|afk | I'd say that's a good sign if people think we're biased to both sides ;) |
| 00:40.47 | Bagginsww | current bael modan article is well writtenn |
| 00:40.56 | TecnoBrat | wow, this level 70 priest just app'd to our guild.. |
| 00:41.04 | Sandwichman2448 | Yeah kirkburn |
| 00:41.06 | Bagginsww | oh Kirkburn it was previously like the kind of edits zarnks do |
| 00:41.07 | TecnoBrat | he has ELEVEN level 60 pieces of gear. |
| 00:41.16 | Bagginsww | TAuren's pov trying to make the dwarves look evil |
| 00:41.16 | Kirkburn|afk | TecnoBrat, not even T3? |
| 00:41.51 | TecnoBrat | 1 piece of t3, I think 3 others might be naxx drops .. I'm too lazy to look them up |
| 00:41.53 | Sandwichman2448 | Frandar is a few bars to 70. |
| 00:41.53 | Bagginsww | edits were fixed by JordanGreywolf |
| 00:42.00 | Bagginsww | if you want to read the previous version |
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| 00:42.14 | Bagginsww | Dark secret of Bael Modan |
| 00:42.15 | Bagginsww | A little known fact is that Bael Modan used to be next to a Tauren village, but the dwarves killed off almost all of them and many innocent tauren lost their lives. Their old villiage is now torn apart by dwarven digging machines. Gann Stonespire tried at reaching a diplomatic resolution but failed. Gann Stonespire now seeks revenge against the dwarves for the exploitation of his land and murder of his tribe. |
| 00:42.17 | Bagginsww | there it is |
| 00:42.20 | Bagginsww | first the title LOL |
| 00:42.24 | TecnoBrat | Kirkburn|afk http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Korgath&n=Andru |
| 00:42.43 | TecnoBrat | Hes using Lei of the Lifegiver ... |
| 00:42.59 | TecnoBrat | t2 chest, boots, bracers, legs |
| 00:43.07 | TecnoBrat | I just basically laughed at him |
| 00:43.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Bagginsww, totally neutral, that .... |
| 00:43.19 | Bagginsww | Funny thing is dwarves admit they didn't drive the horde away until after "nuisances" started LOL It wasn't like they attacked them and ten started digging. |
| 00:43.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Did he just not do any quests? Or, er, get any drops? |
| 00:43.30 | Bagginsww | but mot people ignore that |
| 00:43.48 | Sandwichman2448 | http://wowwiki.com/Mrscribbles Vandal? |
| 00:44.00 | TecnoBrat | Bagginsww, I agree with you. |
| 00:44.07 | TecnoBrat | It needs to be clarified. |
| 00:44.26 | Bagginsww | this was latest rendition o hte new version Jorden gave us |
| 00:44.27 | TecnoBrat | The facts in what you pasted are correct, but they aren't complete |
| 00:44.36 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Bael_Modan#Tauren |
| 00:44.47 | Kirkburn|afk | When people lack both a shirt and a tabard they're either awesome raiders in increadible or ... well, odd? |
| 00:44.52 | Kirkburn|afk | *in incredible gear |
| 00:45.00 | Sandwichman2448 | In an unrelated subject I would like adressed, was a consensus reached on the Nerubian Inconclusion about the # of limbs they have? |
| 00:45.10 | Bagginsww | but you can see Tecno its been much improved to give both sides of the story |
| 00:45.21 | Sandwichman2448 | Or they do not have a guild. |
| 00:45.35 | TecnoBrat | "In an unrelated subject I would like adressed, was a consensus reached on the Nerubian Inconclusion about the # of limbs they have?" that just make me ROFL irl |
| 00:45.55 | Bagginsww | they have 8 limbs :p |
| 00:46.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Sandwichman2448, moved to his user page |
| 00:46.11 | Bagginsww | they might even have 2 pedipalps coming out of their face |
| 00:46.17 | Bagginsww | so that might make 10 limbs |
| 00:46.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Sandwichman2448, even those without a guild have a little excuse in my books :P |
| 00:46.23 | Bagginsww | very arachnid like |
| 00:46.33 | TecnoBrat | BTW, the "wow" label is too big IMO |
| 00:46.39 | TecnoBrat | it makes that article look like shit |
| 00:46.43 | Sandwichman2448 | See ragestorm can not count |
| 00:46.45 | Bagginsww | ya I wish someone whould shrrink it |
| 00:46.56 | Bagginsww | the rpg one is too big |
| 00:47.12 | TecnoBrat | might be better as inline to the right of the section heading |
| 00:47.20 | TecnoBrat | so its like beside it |
| 00:47.24 | Kirkburn|afk | TecnoBrat, ergh, that's some AWFUL gear |
| 00:47.24 | Sandwichman2448 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Nerubian |
| 00:47.36 | TecnoBrat | hahahaaha Kirkburn|afk |
| 00:47.42 | Kirkburn|afk | I mean, you get better quest rewards by 63 |
| 00:47.45 | TecnoBrat | I just like the zero new enchants |
| 00:47.52 | TecnoBrat | and the total lack of trying to get better |
| 00:48.05 | TecnoBrat | he got declined flat out |
| 00:48.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Generally I don't enchant until I'm top level, but even so |
| 00:49.01 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Nerubian#Inconclusion |
| 00:49.07 | Bagginsww | added a post |
| 00:49.18 | TecnoBrat | I replaced all of my t3, and aq gear with the purple judement set |
| 00:49.20 | TecnoBrat | on my paladin |
| 00:49.30 | TecnoBrat | fully enchanted it out |
| 00:49.39 | TecnoBrat | then got kara gear to replace that, etc |
| 00:49.47 | Bagginsww | and sandwhich if you would be so kind to circle the padipelps with blue line or something ;) |
| 00:50.03 | TecnoBrat | thats what I would expect from any guild member that wants to raid with us |
| 00:50.17 | Kirkburn|afk | TecnoBrat, sounds completely fair to me |
| 00:50.37 | Sandwichman2448 | k |
| 00:54.38 | Bagginsww | http://www.nmpest.com/images/Funspider.JPG |
| 00:55.53 | Sandwichman2448 | After some errors it worked. |
| 00:56.06 | Sandwichman2448 | Now blue in it. |
| 00:56.13 | foxlit | Fun, there's a unicode char for ? |
| 00:56.15 | Bagginsww | If one really wanted to get technical the fore-arms would technically be pedipalps |
| 00:56.24 | Bagginsww | as they come to clawed hands |
| 00:56.30 | foxlit | And that may have just failed horribly |
| 00:56.48 | Bagginsww | which still be a very arachnid like thing |
| 00:57.00 | Bagginsww | or crab-like :p |
| 00:57.17 | Sandwichman2448 | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Bat&diff=716234&oldid=676581 Uh oh. |
| 00:57.23 | Sandwichman2448 | NPOV |
| 00:57.57 | Bagginsww | Lawl |
| 00:57.58 | Sandwichman2448 | Most theories say Arachnids evolved into not from insects. |
| 00:58.09 | Sandwichman2448 | Lawl? |
| 00:58.13 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 00:58.31 | Bagginsww | I thought they evolves from a common ancestor |
| 00:59.06 | Sandwichman2448 | Maybe but recent evidence points to what I said. |
| 00:59.17 | Bagginsww | they are on two seperate families rather than insects being "above" arachnids |
| 00:59.43 | Sandwichman2448 | Hm... Well who gives a care is this science wiki |
| 00:59.46 | Sandwichman2448 | ? |
| 00:59.48 | Sandwichman2448 | no? |
| 00:59.50 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 01:00.08 | Sandwichman2448 | What was the lawl for? |
| 01:00.52 | Bagginsww | laughing at the breach against npov |
| 01:01.43 | Sandwichman2448 | ...Well it is. |
| 01:04.14 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/06/24/azeroth-interrupted-save-the-drama-for-yo-mama/ |
| 01:04.37 | Bagginsww | ya well you fixed it right? |
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| 01:04.52 | Sandwichman2448 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Eredun Man'ari def cotradicts |
| 01:04.57 | Sandwichman2448 | Fixed what? |
| 01:05.19 | Bagginsww | the neutral issue |
| 01:05.26 | Sandwichman2448 | Oh yeah... |
| 01:05.28 | Sandwichman2448 | No |
| 01:08.09 | Sandwichman2448 | Done |
| 01:09.33 | Sandwichman2448 | I like those spider peoples. |
| 01:10.08 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 01:10.09 | Sandwichman2448 | Notaced my sig is shorter? |
| 01:10.14 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 01:10.22 | Sandwichman2448 | there wre complaints. |
| 01:10.39 | Bagginsww | I hope they make nerubians a neutral race |
| 01:10.40 | Bagginsww | for faction |
| 01:10.46 | Bagginsww | at least some of them |
| 01:11.51 | Sandwichman2448 | I wrote my theorys on that on a certain page I was banned from linking... |
| 01:12.26 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 01:12.42 | Bagginsww | unforunatley they are either clisted as 'neutral evil' or "laweful evil" :p |
| 01:13.45 | Sandwichman2448 | They are cruel but not old god cruel like their sothern brethren. |
| 01:14.07 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 01:14.14 | Bagginsww | well they don't exactly seem cruel either. |
| 01:14.19 | Bagginsww | just emotionless |
| 01:14.25 | Sandwichman2448 | They had a very advanced society. Just you were on the menue. |
| 01:14.27 | Bagginsww | logical |
| 01:14.35 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 01:14.51 | Bagginsww | and early ones may have experiment on humans, elves and the like |
| 01:14.59 | Sandwichman2448 | yea. |
| 01:15.03 | Bagginsww | though now I think they could change |
| 01:15.14 | Bagginsww | with mutual need to survive |
| 01:15.23 | Sandwichman2448 | There were rarly mentioned northrend colonies before the third war. |
| 01:15.36 | Bagginsww | ya, they existed |
| 01:15.50 | Bagginsww | kingdoms too |
| 01:15.54 | Sandwichman2448 | One could be a bread vendor. THAT is funny. |
| 01:15.58 | Bagginsww | not just colonies |
| 01:16.05 | Sandwichman2448 | Human kingoms? |
| 01:16.07 | Bagginsww | yep |
| 01:16.18 | Sandwichman2448 | Northgarde? |
| 01:16.23 | Bagginsww | nah older than that |
| 01:16.37 | Bagginsww | check out magnataur |
| 01:16.40 | Sandwichman2448 | Where were they in warcraft three? |
| 01:16.42 | Sandwichman2448 | two |
| 01:17.44 | Sandwichman2448 | I read that page. Was that really that long ago? |
| 01:17.48 | Sandwichman2448 | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Mrscribbles |
| 01:18.14 | Bagginsww | well one thing wc3 when you visit northrend you only visit one small part of it |
| 01:18.29 | Sandwichman2448 | yeah. |
| 01:18.37 | Bagginsww | the manual discusses there were alot of human settleents |
| 01:18.45 | Bagginsww | alot were trampled by the scourge heh |
| 01:18.47 | Sandwichman2448 | All undead now? |
| 01:18.51 | Bagginsww | most likely |
| 01:19.11 | Bagginsww | but ya the magnataur enslavement msut have happened a long time before the scourge |
| 01:19.25 | Bagginsww | I doubt we'll see their kingdoms |
| 01:19.26 | Sandwichman2448 | Thought it was just a little. |
| 01:19.50 | Sandwichman2448 | Ruins infested by undead? |
| 01:20.13 | Bagginsww | maybe :) |
| 01:20.24 | Sandwichman2448 | Too soon to know. |
| 01:20.31 | Sandwichman2448 | WAY too soon. |
| 01:20.32 | Bagginsww | although after this time the villages could be covered with snow |
| 01:20.47 | Sandwichman2448 | snow melts... |
| 01:20.56 | Sandwichman2448 | Sometimes, |
| 01:22.05 | Sandwichman2448 | I have things to do. Bye. :) |
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| 01:22.45 | Bagginsww | snow never melts in Wow :p |
| 01:23.01 | Bagginsww | and it would depend on how far north it was heh |
| 01:24.14 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/06/24/warglaive-of-azzinoth-dropped/ |
| 01:31.50 | Bagginsww | I'd like playable half-oge and half-orcs :p |
| 01:31.56 | Bagginsww | erm half-elves |
| 01:32.14 | Bagginsww | and replacements for Arator's model heh ;) |
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| 01:33.52 | Bagginsww | gg, what is the user created ideas section in Rumored expansion packs? |
| 01:34.01 | Bagginsww | all the ideas in the article are user-created :p |
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| 02:09.24 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Future_race_ideas#High_Elves |
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| 02:40.56 | Bagginsww | http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=67623 |
| 02:41.03 | Bagginsww | lotro got its first major patch and first 24 man raid |
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| 02:47.26 | Fisker- | 24 man lololol |
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| 02:47.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Group sizes different? |
| 02:48.25 | sancus | HI KIRKBURN I RETURNED SORRY MY COMPUTER BLEW UP AND THEN I WAS LAZY REJOINING AND ETC |
| 02:48.33 | Kirkburn|afk | I have a vague recollection that groups are 6 man in LotrO |
| 02:48.37 | sancus | SO IN CASE YOU NEED ANYONE BANNED OR LOBOTOMIZED, IM HERE |
| 02:48.40 | Kirkburn|afk | OH HI SANCUS |
| 02:48.53 | Kirkburn|afk | NO ITS OKAY RIGHT NOW >_> |
| 02:48.57 | sancus | ok good |
| 02:49.00 | sancus | I'll stop yelling now |
| 02:49.06 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 02:49.08 | sancus | good to see you too |
| 02:49.16 | Kirkburn|afk | :) |
| 02:49.21 | sancus | things are well in wowwikitown? |
| 02:49.21 | Kirkburn|afk | What happened to the PC? |
| 02:49.33 | sancus | Oh my hard drive just randomly decided it didn't want to work anymore |
| 02:49.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Gotta love that |
| 02:49.41 | sancus | and I was very lax about backups |
| 02:49.45 | sancus | Sooooo |
| 02:49.46 | sancus | It was bad |
| 02:49.49 | sancus | It's somewhat better now |
| 02:49.51 | Kirkburn|afk | ouch |
| 02:50.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Not been too busy on the wiki recently myself, only really just finished exams and sorting out stuff |
| 02:50.29 | Kirkburn|afk | I forget who said he was in your guild |
| 02:52.56 | sancus | chuck |
| 02:52.57 | sancus | he is |
| 02:53.10 | sancus | and he did pass on your message |
| 02:53.56 | TPD-Wrk | AOE damage ? whats AOE stand for please ? |
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| 02:57.24 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, woot |
| 02:57.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Area of Effect |
| 03:01.31 | TPD-Wrk | ty |
| 03:03.13 | Kirkburn|afk | np |
| 03:06.23 | TPD-Wrk | sry I need a dictionary trying to learn stuff, whats "AH items" |
| 03:06.50 | Kirkburn|sleep | We've got a glossary on the wiki |
| 03:06.58 | Kirkburn|sleep | AH = Auction House |
| 03:07.30 | TPD-Wrk | Oh I need to go find that glossary brb |
| 03:07.40 | Kirkburn|sleep | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Acronyms |
| 03:07.44 | TPD-Wrk | ty |
| 03:07.50 | Kirkburn|sleep | Np |
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| 06:10.18 | Sky2042 | how do I get a table to float right? |
| 06:10.32 | Sky2042 | gryphen or kirkburn or dotted? :? |
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| 07:32.37 | Sky2042 | weeeeeeeee |
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| 09:59.46 | foxlit | #doitempage Charged Crystal Focus |
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| 10:00.22 | foxlit | #dolist Charged Crystal Focus, Crystalforged Darkrune, Darkrune |
| 10:00.23 | Foxbot | Okay, foxlit, queued Charged Crystal Focus, Crystalforged Darkrune, Darkrune. |
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| 10:03.27 | foxlit | sigh |
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| 11:36.06 | Kirkburn|sleep | ~seen Adys |
| 11:36.19 | infobot | adys <n=Miranda@APoitiers-256-1-138-245.w90-30.abo.wanadoo.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 1d 15h 26m 46s ago, saying: 'Im off for a week! Take care peeps, ill try and see if i can pop on irc once a while :)'. |
| 11:36.31 | Kirkburn|sleep | =( |
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| 13:20.15 | [NewsBot] | MMO Champion: LFGComic #55 and Dark Legacy Comics #97 - http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=351.0 |
| 13:29.14 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/06/25/the-portals-among-us/ |
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| 14:04.14 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/06/25/around-azeroth-inside-the-mana-forge/ |
| 14:12.38 | Kirkburn | ~seen eliah |
| 14:12.42 | infobot | eliah is currently on #wowwiki (2d 8h 28m 31s). Has said a total of 19 messages. Is idling for 2d 8h 1m 33s, last said: 'here's an interesting interview with someone from Affinity: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=14235'. |
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| 14:14.37 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: PING |
| 14:14.42 | Kirkburn | pong |
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| 14:15.04 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim|work, you've not been without suffix for two weeks!? |
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| 14:28.59 | Hobinheim|work | hmm |
| 14:29.00 | Hobinheim|work | i guess |
| 14:29.08 | Hobinheim|work | haven't edited in a while =)( |
| 14:29.09 | Hobinheim|work | ** =( |
| 14:29.14 | Hobinheim|work | haven't played WoW in a while... |
| 14:29.28 | Hobinheim|work | just slaving away a life... |
| 14:29.34 | Hobinheim|work | and playing lots of smash brothers ^_^ |
| 14:30.59 | Kirkburn | cool |
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| 14:39.14 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/06/25/a-look-back-at-the-sale-of-wowhead-com/ |
| 14:49.45 | [NewsBot] | GamePolitics: http://gamepolitics.com/2007/06/25/nimf-manhunt-2-ao-rating-a-victory-for-parents-and-children/ |
| 15:04.15 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/06/25/officers-quarters-wont-someone-think-of-the-children/ |
| 15:11.03 | Hobinheim|work | Kirkburn, how's the weather |
| 15:12.28 | Kirkburn | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6236348.stm |
| 15:12.36 | Kirkburn | That's the weather quite near me |
| 15:12.40 | Kirkburn | However, here it's fine :) |
| 15:13.30 | Hobinheim|work | flood resist! |
| 15:13.37 | p30n09f9 | lol |
| 15:13.55 | p30n09f9 | http://www2.syh.fi/replot/ |
| 15:14.01 | p30n09f9 | kinda shitty there too aint it? :p |
| 15:14.08 | p30n09f9 | i live 30km form there |
| 15:14.09 | p30n09f9 | and its live |
| 15:14.18 | p30n09f9 | so we got pretty darned depressed weather today |
| 15:17.36 | TecnoBrat | morning all |
| 15:19.45 | [NewsBot] | GamePolitics: http://gamepolitics.com/2007/06/25/games-blamed-in-new-zealand-crime-spree/ |
| 15:19.59 | p30n09f9 | Hobinheim|work: its all down mate, still bad :S |
| 15:20.18 | p30n09f9 | i even set my resolution lower so it wont be all-up-in-my-face all the time |
| 15:20.19 | p30n09f9 | no luck |
| 15:20.20 | p30n09f9 | :( |
| 15:23.25 | Kirkburn | Now, you know I just said the weather was fine here |
| 15:23.37 | Kirkburn | Well, it was when I just went out to buy a card for my housemate |
| 15:23.58 | Kirkburn | Seems the monsoon just decided to say hello |
| 15:24.09 | Kirkburn | On my head. |
| 15:27.24 | p30n09f9 | hehe |
| 15:27.33 | p30n09f9 | Kirkburn: where is monsoon time atm? |
| 15:27.36 | p30n09f9 | as in where do u live |
| 15:27.49 | Kirkburn | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6236348.stm |
| 15:27.58 | Kirkburn | (Bristol, UK) |
| 15:29.32 | p30n09f9 | lol ye |
| 15:29.34 | p30n09f9 | "monsoon" |
| 15:29.35 | p30n09f9 | :p |
| 15:29.41 | p30n09f9 | just a lil bad english weather |
| 15:29.43 | p30n09f9 | hehe |
| 15:30.09 | Kirkburn | :) |
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| 15:36.23 | Hobinheim|work | ENGLISH SUMMA!~ |
| 15:39.45 | [NewsBot] | GamePolitics: http://gamepolitics.com/2007/06/25/ama-wont-make-video-game-addiction-a-diagnosis-yet/ |
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| 15:47.15 | LDub | does first aid ever require wool? |
| 15:47.21 | xb95 | yes |
| 15:47.25 | LDub | thank you |
| 15:47.35 | xb95 | wool bandages, heavy wool bandages |
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| 16:04.14 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/06/25/wow-moviewatch-lol-lightwell/ |
| 16:10.23 | Kirkburn | WoWGuru still calls itself "The largest international WoW database for Quests, Items, Spells, Zones, NPCs, Maps, and more." :/ |
| 16:12.46 | Kirkburn | It also says "Wowguru database have been updated with over 22k npc locations from outlands and other expansion areas." ... Wowhead lists 13,291 NPCs total. |
| 16:13.03 | Kirkburn | Someone either has awful data, or is inflating numbers |
| 16:13.46 | zeeg | if they're still using my core they're not inflating :) |
| 16:14.05 | zeeg | and sadly -- wowguru I think is still the largest international |
| 16:14.09 | Kirkburn | How can you possibly have a discrepancy of 10,000? |
| 16:14.10 | zeeg | at least until Curse's is out |
| 16:14.30 | zeeg | 22k npc locations could be 5 locations to an NPC |
| 16:14.32 | Kirkburn | Is every level of mob counted differently? |
| 16:14.36 | zeeg | nope |
| 16:14.47 | Kirkburn | Ergh, different locations |
| 16:14.57 | Kirkburn | Hope CG doesn't do that :P |
| 16:15.13 | zeeg | wowguru doesnt either |
| 16:15.21 | Kirkburn | But .... you just said |
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| 16:16.13 | Kirkburn | I definately want to kick the person who posted "WoW Head, the infamous and popular database website for WoW has sold to IGE for a sum" at least |
| 16:16.31 | zeeg | Kirkburn: ? |
| 16:16.33 | zeeg | wheres that |
| 16:16.44 | Kirkburn | 4th story on http://www.wowguru.com/ |
| 16:16.45 | Gryphen | header |
| 16:16.55 | zeeg | well its more or less true :P |
| 16:17.08 | Kirkburn | More or less in a not actually true kind of way |
| 16:17.26 | Kirkburn | If you're going to post that type of news about a competitor, you could at least spell their name right |
| 16:17.26 | Gryphen | sites say lots of things that arent true when self promoting |
| 16:17.40 | zeeg | I suppose, but its like saying OGaming was never owned by IGE :) |
| 16:17.43 | Kirkburn | It's like saying Thottbot is owned by IGE |
| 16:17.56 | zeeg | its like saying thottbot isnt :) |
| 16:18.40 | Kirkburn | Okay, so somehow despite IGE no longer being owned by Affinity, they're still ... somehow owned by Affinity? |
| 16:18.55 | zeeg | Kirkburn: supposably, IGE never owned Zam either |
| 16:19.01 | zeeg | but then somehow Zam sold off IGE |
| 16:19.03 | zeeg | explain that one :) |
| 16:19.15 | Kirkburn | You're confusing holding companies and hierarchies |
| 16:19.22 | zeeg | I'm pointing out the obvious :) |
| 16:19.35 | Kirkburn | No, you're presenting the facts in a twisated manner to make your point |
| 16:19.37 | zeeg | they've kept it "under wraps" before -- what's to stop them from doing it now? |
| 16:19.39 | Kirkburn | *twisted |
| 16:20.01 | Kirkburn | Nothing |
| 16:20.14 | [NewsBot] | MMO Champion: Spectator mode not so soon ? - http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=352.0 |
| 16:20.15 | zeeg | so why assume its not just another round? |
| 16:20.22 | Kirkburn | But it would require everyone at Thott, Alla, Wowinterface and Wowhead to be corrupt and to be liers |
| 16:20.30 | zeeg | or for them to sign an NDA |
| 16:20.33 | zeeg | and a contract |
| 16:20.38 | Kirkburn | NDA do not make LYING okay |
| 16:20.39 | zeeg | which I'm sure they do |
| 16:20.54 | Kirkburn | You can't make someone sign that they will lie about something |
| 16:20.58 | zeeg | it wouldn't be lieing if they weren't directly in the same company |
| 16:21.08 | zeeg | Welcome to America :) |
| 16:21.23 | Kirkburn | America? International business you mean ... |
| 16:21.49 | Kirkburn | So far as I know, IGE doesn't even have offices in the western hemisphere |
| 16:22.28 | zeeg | either way, it doesn't erase the facts |
| 16:22.39 | zeeg | that IGE has, and probably is, trying to conceal their identiy as they have numerous times before |
| 16:23.05 | zeeg | granted, they may ahve no actual connections to the sites now |
| 16:23.09 | Gryphen | Think IGE was the only morally questionable content Affinity Media holds? |
| 16:23.19 | Kirkburn | Gryphen, I know of nothing else |
| 16:23.52 | Gryphen | I know |
| 16:23.52 | zeeg | I also heard a few days ago Affinity was at some conference promoting IGE |
| 16:24.54 | Gryphen | With how much money is tossed around, I hardly doubt that IGE is the only virtual currency service in their control |
| 16:25.07 | TecnoBrat | I talked to Sko, he met with Affinity. He stated in absolute terms that IGE is totally out of the picture. |
| 16:25.26 | zeeg | TecnoBrat: so has every company they've purchased over the last 2 years |
| 16:25.45 | zeeg | just stating the facts |
| 16:25.49 | zeeg | I can't prove one way or the other :) |
| 16:25.50 | Gryphen | I doubt he would say otherwise TecnoBrat |
| 16:26.29 | Gryphen | From what I heard they were soliciting the sale prior to IGE's sale. I doubt they were really concerned about what assets Affinity holds. |
| 16:26.32 | Kirkburn | If you can actually link me to where the other sites said they had nothing to do with IGE, please do |
| 16:26.38 | TecnoBrat | Either way .. even *IF* IGE was still owned by Affinity. |
| 16:26.49 | zeeg | Kirkburn: ask the wowi people :) |
| 16:26.49 | TecnoBrat | that doesnt change the fact that IGE does NOT own wowhead, etc |
| 16:27.03 | zeeg | TecnoBrat: it never has, but where do you think they got the money to do a lot of what they've done? |
| 16:27.13 | Gryphen | People seem to think otherwise about Thottbot etc TecnoBrat |
| 16:27.51 | Kirkburn | They didn't deny they were linked to IGE via the companies, but they vehemently denied being owned by them |
| 16:27.52 | TecnoBrat | Thats like saying that if Google owned IGE and owned wowhead, that IGE owns wowhead. |
| 16:28.22 | Kirkburn | There is a big difference between IGE being a separate division of a company and actually being owned by IGE |
| 16:28.30 | zeeg | no, thats like saying if a company with no other money than IGE, owned IGE, how would they have so many aquisitions :) |
| 16:28.38 | TecnoBrat | Its obvious that Affinity had business capital before IGE. |
| 16:28.41 | Kirkburn | Oh, so you know everything that Affinity owns? |
| 16:28.48 | Boubouille | I do. |
| 16:28.52 | zeeg | Kirkburn: i have quite a large list |
| 16:28.54 | Boubouille | They own wowwiki. Kirkburn got a share of the million. |
| 16:28.55 | Boubouille | :( |
| 16:28.59 | Kirkburn | hah |
| 16:28.59 | Thrae | TecnoBrat: According to blogs, the current CEO came from IGE, which is probably why people are making the (incorrect) direct comparison. |
| 16:29.27 | Kirkburn | zeeg, they have a large list? So surely that disproved the notion that they were "a company with no other money then IGE" |
| 16:29.37 | Kirkburn | >_> |
| 16:29.39 | foxlit | Problem: you're vastly unpopular; yet you want to buy enterprises for profits. |
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| 16:29.43 | TecnoBrat | "According to blogs" <= if I listened to everything I read in blogs, Google would be dying in 1 month, and LOTRO would kill wow. |
| 16:29.46 | foxlit | Solution: make dummy parent company |
| 16:29.49 | Kirkburn | zeeg, they have a large list? So surely that disproved the notion that they were "a company with no other money then IGE" |
| 16:30.13 | zeeg | Kirkburn: a long list of sites theyve purchased :P |
| 16:30.23 | Kirkburn | zeeg, Wowhead was attached to IGN at first |
| 16:30.39 | zeeg | not in the sme kind of way |
| 16:30.42 | Kirkburn | It started off as a talent calculator |
| 16:30.50 | zeeg | whats that have to do with anything? |
| 16:30.51 | Kirkburn | They didn't appear out of the blue |
| 16:30.59 | zeeg | none of the sites they purchased did.. |
| 16:31.10 | Kirkburn | I have no idea what we're arguing now |
| 16:31.26 | Kirkburn | "TecnoBrat: it never has, but where do you think they got the money to do a lot of what they've done?" |
| 16:31.30 | zeeg | I'm just saying, that IGE didn't aquire so many assets without having money to do so |
| 16:31.41 | zeeg | whether they branched them off in the process or not, it doesn't change the fact the reason they exist :) |
| 16:32.04 | Thrae | IGE didn't "branch off" into Affinity Media... |
| 16:32.06 | Kirkburn | You're stating a myriad of different things and trying to link them :/ |
| 16:32.16 | Kirkburn | It's how people attempt to prove the moon landings was fake |
| 16:32.31 | Kirkburn | Make loads of accusations and speculation and hope that something sticks |
| 16:32.53 | Kirkburn | Affinity =/= IGE |
| 16:32.58 | Kirkburn | IGE =/= Affinity |
| 16:33.05 | zeeg | im speculating what Affinity is based on what IGE has been |
| 16:33.11 | zeeg | theres a reason assumptions are made :) |
| 16:33.17 | Kirkburn | Yes, Affinity got money out of IGE |
| 16:33.33 | Thrae | Cairenn says they have absolutely no professional connection to IGE anymore, even indirectly, and I believe her. |
| 16:33.43 | Kirkburn | Where the money came from doesn't "taint" it, or make those that use it "corrupt" |
| 16:34.07 | Gryphen | My issue with Wowhead is that imho it was built to be sold, they solicited the sale. Thott built thottbot as a fan and was approached later. |
| 16:34.07 | foxlit | Really? |
| 16:34.29 | foxlit | I thought that taint was the entire reason behind the phrase "money laundering" |
| 16:34.32 | zeeg | I have nothing against virtual currency marketers -- I'm just pointing out the obvious |
| 16:34.43 | zeeg | but I do think IGE/Whatever the company's name is now has a horrible business plan |
| 16:34.44 | Kirkburn | foxlit, I'm talking about the money itself, not how it was obtained |
| 16:35.11 | foxlit | Can you even split the two? |
| 16:35.31 | foxlit | "Here's cash, don't ask me what I did to get it." Take it? |
| 16:36.04 | zeeg | what foxlit is getting at, is the main reason people don't approve of sites IGE purchased |
| 16:36.06 | Kirkburn | IGE doesn't obtain its money illegally |
| 16:36.17 | Kirkburn | There you go again "IGE purchased" |
| 16:36.18 | zeeg | immorally :) |
| 16:36.21 | Thrae | zeeg: http://www.ige.com/about <-- IGE's name is IGE |
| 16:36.24 | Gryphen | they gain it imorally |
| 16:36.35 | zeeg | Kirkburn: just because they didnt directly purchase wowhead, doesnt mean they didnt purchase dozens of others |
| 16:36.44 | zeeg | thottbot, allakhazam, l2orphus, mmointerface |
| 16:37.06 | Kirkburn | And again "didn't directly purchase" |
| 16:37.10 | zeeg | and somehow all of these assets now belong to a COMPLETELY different company? |
| 16:37.14 | zeeg | no, in this case, it was them |
| 16:37.19 | Kirkburn | You keep trying your best to link them even now |
| 16:37.37 | Hobinheim|work | anyone watch the office? |
| 16:37.40 | zeeg | thottbot, was directly IGE, as were a lot, mmointerface, and possibly allakhazam were purchased under the name of another company |
| 16:37.45 | zeeg | i dont have to try Kirkburn |
| 16:37.55 | zeeg | when you have zam.com people promoting ige, its pretty obvious |
| 16:37.57 | Kirkburn | Gryphen, can you confirm it was directly IGE that bought Thott? |
| 16:38.02 | zeeg | Kirkburn: i can |
| 16:38.03 | Gryphen | they were purchased by affinity |
| 16:38.09 | Kirkburn | zeeg, ZAM people promote IGE? Since when!? |
| 16:38.54 | Kirkburn | I would take Gryphen's word over yours, since he knows Thott |
| 16:38.56 | Gryphen | affinity currently holds thott, wowi as they do wowhead |
| 16:39.51 | zeeg | Kirkburn: Gryphen wont deny IGE purchased thottbot.com |
| 16:39.51 | Kirkburn | No Zam sites show gold adverts anywhere, (and afaik never have) |
| 16:39.51 | Kirkburn | He just did! |
| 16:39.51 | zeeg | no he didnt |
| 16:39.51 | Gryphen | afaik affinity purchased thott |
| 16:39.51 | zeeg | the guy who purchased it worked at IGE |
| 16:39.54 | zeeg | unless this just proves my point |
| 16:40.03 | zeeg | im talking about originally |
| 16:40.06 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim|work, I've watched the UK The Office :P |
| 16:41.05 | Kirkburn | The guy who purchased it worked at IGE? How does that make it a sale to IGE? |
| 16:41.15 | zeeg | he purchased it *for* them |
| 16:41.19 | Kirkburn | Sounds like saying cause Bill Gates bought a car, Microsoft owns it |
| 16:41.24 | zeeg | he didnt shell out 100k of his own money :P |
| 16:42.31 | TecnoBrat | how do you know? |
| 16:42.41 | TecnoBrat | got his bank records? |
| 16:42.48 | Kirkburn | foxlit, earlier, about the cash thing - I'm not sure how to phrase what I was meaning >< |
| 16:43.00 | zeeg | TecnoBrat: he's a long time colleague.. |
| 16:43.37 | zeeg | besides, you can google the information |
| 16:43.44 | Shmoo | sounds like rampant speculation w/ a side order of anecdotal evidence |
| 16:43.59 | zeeg | sounds like you guys need to do your own research :) |
| 16:44.09 | TecnoBrat | so he's a long time colleague of yours? |
| 16:44.15 | zeeg | TecnoBrat: yes |
| 16:44.20 | TecnoBrat | wow, so curse is owned by IGE too then! |
| 16:44.26 | TecnoBrat | since zeeg works there |
| 16:44.28 | Kirkburn | I think the idea was that someone give you 10k, having that 10k doesn't turn you into the same person that gave you the money? hrm. |
| 16:44.34 | TecnoBrat | and hes a colleague of this guy from IGE |
| 16:44.34 | zeeg | colleague doesnt mean employer |
| 16:45.00 | zeeg | Kirkburn: so if I go to best buy and buy a printer for Curse, it doesnt mean that Curse bought it? |
| 16:45.05 | TecnoBrat | "the guy who purchased it worked at IGE" <= worked at, doesnt mean owned, or had any pull. |
| 16:45.09 | zeeg | they didnt mask it as X guy purchased thottbot.com |
| 16:45.13 | zeeg | he initiated and completed the sale |
| 16:45.35 | Kirkburn | "buy a printer for Curse", the keyword being "for", yes. |
| 16:46.01 | zeeg | now you're purposely misinterpretting what I said |
| 16:46.14 | Kirkburn | I'm not :/ |
| 16:46.22 | zeeg | He did the sale for the company, not under his name, not under someone elses |
| 16:46.29 | zeeg | not with his money, with the companies, he bought it FOR the company |
| 16:47.06 | zeeg | now, one cannot prove alla/wowhead/mmointerface were all purchased through the same company, as they were done through holdings/some other company, but that doesn't make them unconnected |
| 16:47.27 | Kirkburn | I/We never said they were |
| 16:47.39 | zeeg | then what are you implying? |
| 16:47.46 | TecnoBrat | They totally ARE connected. |
| 16:47.50 | Litvan | is this still the wowhead sale??? *sigh* |
| 16:47.56 | Kirkburn | no, you're continually implying that IGE is connected directly to Wowhead |
| 16:48.11 | Thrae | Frankly, I don't know what zeeg is trying to prove anymore. |
| 16:48.12 | TecnoBrat | Affinity owned IGE. Affinity sold IGE. Affinity bought wowhead. |
| 16:48.15 | TecnoBrat | case closed. |
| 16:48.25 | zeeg | Kirkburn: you were arguing about who purchased thottbot initially |
| 16:48.46 | Kirkburn | Because Gryphen disagreed with your assertion |
| 16:48.56 | Kirkburn | Gryphen, who knows the owner, and you, who does not. |
| 16:49.00 | Litvan | christ.. wowhead got sold.. big deal... my addblocker still removes adds there... don't care who or what's adverticed there |
| 16:49.18 | zeeg | so that makes me wrong? |
| 16:49.21 | TecnoBrat | There is only one thing I have an issue with with the sale of wowhead. |
| 16:49.21 | zeeg | because I'm not :) |
| 16:49.22 | Thrae | zeeg: If you want to make a point, it's best to make it known... |
| 16:49.22 | Gryphen | Litvan, nobody even said anything about advertising |
| 16:49.51 | Litvan | no.. but the deal about IGE is their supposed gold/powerlvling ads on their other sites... |
| 16:49.56 | zeeg | Gryphen: you weren't implying that ~2-3 years ago Affinity purchased thottbot, correct? |
| 16:49.57 | TecnoBrat | The fact is, Affinity has been known to let keylogging ads slip into rotation. |
| 16:50.05 | zeeg | Litvan: they have never put them on the zam network |
| 16:50.08 | Litvan | but since IGE never bought wowhead I don't see why ppl are making a fuzz about it |
| 16:50.08 | Kirkburn | THERE ARE NO GOLD SELLING ADVERTS ON ZAM SITES. Sheesh |
| 16:50.09 | TecnoBrat | wowhead has never had this problem |
| 16:50.16 | TecnoBrat | That sucks IMO. |
| 16:50.33 | zeeg | As far as I know, IGE never intended to plaster gold ads all over Zam |
| 16:50.38 | zeeg | they wanted it to be a seperate entity, another market |
| 16:50.42 | Shmoo | I'm not sure I understand the points being made. The Internet is inundated with incesttuous industries that are interconnected? no contest. |
| 16:50.47 | Kirkburn | This is in no way related to adverts. |
| 16:50.59 | Kirkburn | Shmoo, :) |
| 16:51.08 | zeeg | anyways Kirkburn, you can ask thott yourself who he sold the site to |
| 16:51.09 | TecnoBrat | Shmoo, most of the sites on the internet are owned by people who started out as porn sites. |
| 16:51.15 | zeeg | he'll either not tell you, or tell you what ive said |
| 16:51.16 | Shmoo | damn skippy. |
| 16:51.17 | TecnoBrat | Or casino. |
| 16:51.25 | TecnoBrat | Thats a fact. |
| 16:51.31 | Shmoo | pr0n and gambling. people gotta make a living. |
| 16:51.44 | Kirkburn | Anyway, leaving the topic of Thott which was kinda irrelevant to the whole thing anyway ... :P |
| 16:52.03 | Litvan | besides.. whoever owns wowhead... I don't see the deal about arguing the sale in the first place as long as the site works like it should |
| 16:52.05 | zeeg | who were affinity media before IGE? |
| 16:52.17 | Kirkburn | We're asking for proof that is based on facts, not the speculation of everyone being corrupts and being in some big conspriracy to keep the IGE from our eyes. |
| 16:52.33 | TecnoBrat | Litvan, it will continue to. The deal is to keep the wowhead team on. So the only difference you will see is the ads. |
| 16:52.41 | Kirkburn | "who were affinity media before IGE?" ... wow, what a leading question |
| 16:52.49 | zeeg | Kirkburn: no I was honestly curious :) |
| 16:52.52 | zeeg | i hadn't heard of them |
| 16:52.56 | Kirkburn | There's no way to answer that without accepting your idea that IGE = Affinity |
| 16:52.57 | TecnoBrat | MMO Holdings are there somewhere... |
| 16:53.05 | Kirkburn | Despite the FACT that Affinity =/= IGE |
| 16:53.10 | TecnoBrat | I don't know who they are. |
| 16:53.22 | zeeg | so basically, IGE founded Affinity? |
| 16:53.28 | zeeg | and now they're not connected at all? :) |
| 16:53.32 | Kirkburn | Yes |
| 16:53.34 | zeeg | lol |
| 16:53.40 | Litvan | Techno : I know.. I read their statement.... but I don't get why ppl still talk about it being sold in the first place.... |
| 16:53.44 | Kirkburn | That's quite a normal business idea zeeg |
| 16:53.55 | zeeg | so what you're saying, is they immorally aquired a lot of money, built a new company with it, and sold what they used to get there? |
| 16:53.56 | Kirkburn | You create a holding company to have many different assts |
| 16:53.58 | Kirkburn | *assets |
| 16:54.03 | TecnoBrat | errrr ... "RPG Holdings" |
| 16:54.06 | zeeg | Kirkburn: did you ever read the mainstream news about IGE? |
| 16:54.11 | zeeg | about WHY people didnt like them? |
| 16:54.16 | zeeg | it wasn't just because of gold selling :) |
| 16:54.41 | zeeg | anyways, i gotta get back to work |
| 16:54.42 | Kirkburn | link? |
| 16:54.49 | Thrae | IGE is an evil company, like most are -- I don't see how that's relevant |
| 16:54.51 | zeeg | dont have one, just google IGE and uhh China or something |
| 16:54.53 | Shmoo | was it the rampant rumermongering? I know that turns me off of an ad-site. |
| 16:55.01 | TecnoBrat | Litvan, yea, and I talked to the lead developer (who also comes to this channel), and is quite excited about the sale, it means they can develop things without worrying about the logistics as much. |
| 16:55.02 | zeeg | i dont remember the specifics, its been a while |
| 16:55.06 | Thrae | Affinity Media is probably less evil then IGE |
| 16:55.19 | Thrae | MMOGuru is about the same evil as Affinity Media |
| 16:55.37 | Thrae | etc. |
| 16:55.38 | Litvan | Techno : I know (sry for repeating myself) Adys told me (we're in the same guild) |
| 16:55.42 | zeeg | how is MMOGuru evil? |
| 16:55.52 | Shmoo | Can we get an evil-equivilance for wowwiki for reference? |
| 16:56.05 | TecnoBrat | Litvan, hehe np, just making conversation :) |
| 16:56.09 | Kirkburn | Litvan, what's your ingame name? I pester Adys for help on Stormrage all the time :P |
| 16:56.20 | Litvan | Techno : same as here :) |
| 16:56.34 | Gryphen | i feel guru is being built to be sold |
| 16:56.37 | Kirkburn | 70 rogue, funky |
| 16:56.38 | Litvan | if I'm not on one of my alts |
| 16:56.54 | Kirkburn | Evidently you're not ;) |
| 16:57.08 | Litvan | not atm no :P |
| 16:57.11 | Thrae | Well for one, you're in here making baseless accusations, using circular logic, redherrings, and trying to promote that your point of view is fact because of the abscence of facts to the contrary. |
| 16:57.16 | Kirkburn | <-- Chekov |
| 16:57.45 | Litvan | ew.... huntard :P |
| 16:57.48 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 16:57.57 | Litvan | said the guy with a hunter alt :P |
| 16:58.07 | zeeg | ugh ive spent the last hour trying to get mod_rewrite to work -.- |
| 16:58.11 | zeeg | Thrae: i dont work for mmoguru |
| 16:58.18 | zeeg | what do they have to do with me? |
| 16:58.31 | TecnoBrat | For all I know, the dude who purchased thott, owned part of IGE, decided he wanted out .. got bought out .. got a huge paycheck, started Affinity, bought thott, etc etc |
| 16:58.37 | Thrae | You were once affiliated with wowguru, right? |
| 16:58.38 | TecnoBrat | Smart man, if thats how it went down .. IMO |
| 16:59.03 | zeeg | Thrae: I made it what it is today :) |
| 16:59.05 | TecnoBrat | which is a totally acceptable explaination for everything that has been said here today. |
| 16:59.21 | Litvan | meh.... why isn't adys online... I wanna pester him about an enchant addon |
| 16:59.29 | Kirkburn | The current situation as we know it: Affinity has no financial ties to IGE, and Affinity owns the websites. The websites will not show gold selling ads, nor put money towards gold selling. This is, I guess, good news for Thott, Alla, etc, and interesting news for Wowhead. |
| 16:59.31 | Thrae | Well there you go. By your logic, since you're evil, and you founded wowguru, and wowguru is affliated with mmoguru, then mmoguru is evil. |
| 16:59.32 | zeeg | but what does that have to do with anything |
| 16:59.36 | zeeg | I didnt found it |
| 16:59.40 | Gryphen | my issue is people treating it differnt than thott because whead made love to everyone in irc and the wiki. I view the whead transaction as more evil as whead was built to be sold from the ground up and they solicited the sale without concern for IGE as they were trying to get bought prior to IGE leaving the picture, they are just using IGE's sale as a bonus spin to their news announcement. |
| 16:59.40 | zeeg | I managed it for a year |
| 16:59.45 | zeeg | and I'm not evil :) |
| 16:59.50 | Thrae | s/founded it/helped found it/ |
| 16:59.58 | Thrae | You are so evil, you don't even know you're evil. |
| 17:00.15 | zeeg | :( |
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| 17:00.23 | zeeg | only at heart |
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| 17:00.43 | Kirkburn | Gryphen, if Thott interacted with the community, it would help |
| 17:00.50 | Kirkburn | But he doesn't, Wowhead does. |
| 17:00.54 | Gryphen | didnt the guru founder hold interest in IGE or some similar situation? |
| 17:01.13 | TecnoBrat | Therefore, wowhead is smarter than thottbot in business. |
| 17:01.18 | TecnoBrat | And they got 10x the money! |
| 17:01.24 | zeeg | Gryphen: the guru founder worked for ogaming when it was sold |
| 17:01.25 | TecnoBrat | Smart business sense IMO |
| 17:01.26 | Gryphen | thott didnt create thottbot as a business |
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| 17:01.32 | Gryphen | he built it as a fan |
| 17:01.48 | Litvan | major issue I have about thott is that at every friggin weapon in the game they have in their DB.. there's some tard comment saying "hunter weapon" ... imo thott = teenagers... wowhead = adults |
| 17:01.59 | TecnoBrat | nah |
| 17:02.02 | TecnoBrat | thats not true |
| 17:02.08 | Thrae | For companies -- money is the root of all evil. Companies, by definition, are evil. The only reason people should have reason to be upset about Affinity vs IGE vs Wowhead vs whatever is if IGE actually affects Wowhead or any of the other sites owned by Affinity, which it doesn't. |
| 17:02.10 | TecnoBrat | wowhead = proper moderating system |
| 17:02.17 | TecnoBrat | thottbot = no moderating system |
| 17:02.21 | TecnoBrat | nothing to do with ages. |
| 17:02.31 | TecnoBrat | its just one has a better system to deal with the idiots |
| 17:02.31 | Kirkburn | All that shows is that you have an emotional attachment to it. |
| 17:02.32 | Thrae | Trying to turn Affinity Media into some evil entity because of its past is mute. Affinity Media, by definition, is already evil. |
| 17:02.36 | Litvan | I know.. but that's the feeling you get when comparing :) |
| 17:02.58 | Thrae | Kirkburn: Does Wowwiki have a parent company yet? |
| 17:03.00 | TecnoBrat | Thrae, google is also evil. |
| 17:03.02 | Kirkburn | (hmm, my comment got lost in the ocean :( ) |
| 17:03.11 | Kirkburn | Yes, Wikia owns WoWWiki |
| 17:03.25 | Gryphen | but that isnt exactly a parent company as wowiki isnt a company |
| 17:03.30 | Litvan | don't say that to adys :P |
| 17:03.48 | Kirkburn | True, but the essential idea is the same :P |
| 17:04.06 | Thrae | TecnoBrat: Google IS evil. If you want an example, look at the drama that happened with YouTube. But Google is far, far, far less evil then say, Microsoft. |
| 17:04.12 | Kirkburn | Wikis are hard to define in terms of business |
| 17:04.27 | Litvan | adys won't like it if you say wowwiki sux.. especially since he's up to something major overhaul of spells :) |
| 17:04.27 | Thrae | Kirkburn: Ah well, Wowwiki is a non-profit organization. If you make a profit, then Wowwiki is evil. |
| 17:04.27 | Kirkburn | I guess you could actually just call Wikia the management now |
| 17:04.28 | TecnoBrat | Google has purchased companies for the sole purpose of killing competition ... |
| 17:04.32 | TecnoBrat | yes .. exactly .. youtube |
| 17:04.40 | Kirkburn | WW has never been non-profit :P |
| 17:04.50 | Thrae | There you go -- Wowwiki is evil! |
| 17:05.04 | Kirkburn | Neutral, but not non-profit |
| 17:05.22 | Thrae | What do you mean by "Neutral"? |
| 17:05.32 | TecnoBrat | Aka, they haven't turned a profit |
| 17:05.33 | Litvan | well.. google IS evil... didn't you read that repport that was made about handling user privacy information? :) |
| 17:05.40 | TecnoBrat | but if they did .. it would be the owners money |
| 17:05.50 | Gryphen | make enough profit to be self sufficient |
| 17:05.58 | TecnoBrat | non-profits have very specific rules with what they do with extra money |
| 17:06.03 | Thrae | Well, you'd think a non-profit has non-profits, eh? |
| 17:06.13 | Thrae | True. I should have been more explicit. |
| 17:07.02 | Thrae | What I meant is that Wowwiki isn't really a company, it's more of a diambigious, unregistered organization. |
| 17:07.07 | Kirkburn | Neutral in that it doesn't try to promote a someone's view, Thrae |
| 17:07.44 | Thrae | As wikis usually are |
| 17:07.46 | TecnoBrat | Actually .. wowwiki is probably a propriatorship, of whoever originally maintained and promoted the site. |
| 17:08.15 | Kirkburn | (that person being vl.ad_) |
| 17:08.15 | TecnoBrat | Which is now wikia, but thats bow |
| 17:08.19 | TecnoBrat | right. |
| 17:08.24 | TecnoBrat | now* |
| 17:08.30 | Kirkburn | aye |
| 17:09.08 | Litvan | lol.. so much for making money on that idea |
| 17:09.09 | Litvan | http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40538 |
| 17:09.10 | TecnoBrat | So technically, I guess vl.ad_ sold a unprofitable asset of his propriatorship :P |
| 17:11.51 | Kirkburn | Unprofitable? |
| 17:12.23 | Kirkburn | (Google ads are better than I realised) |
| 17:12.43 | Kirkburn | I don't actually know what kind of ads we carry atm >< |
| 17:12.53 | Gryphen | google gold ads are really good, too bad everyone hates em :) |
| 17:13.25 | Gryphen | for something everyone hates, they get clicked on more than anything |
| 17:14.07 | TecnoBrat | Kirkburn, I'd be surprised if vl.ad made a profit on wowwiki tho |
| 17:14.09 | TecnoBrat | I could be wrong. |
| 17:14.33 | TecnoBrat | And I am totally aware on how much google ads make, I work for an online media company :) |
| 17:15.04 | TecnoBrat | The company I work for is DEFINATELY evil :P |
| 17:15.23 | Shmoo | I love evil. Pays the bills. |
| 17:15.27 | Kirkburn | (Tbh, I don't feel at liberty to say, so I can't really respond) |
| 17:15.39 | Kirkburn | What company, what company?! |
| 17:15.42 | Gryphen | which means profit :) |
| 17:15.47 | TecnoBrat | bravenetmedia.com |
| 17:16.10 | Kirkburn | Gryphen, <_< >_> |
| 17:16.13 | Shmoo | Could be more evil. |
| 17:16.31 | Gryphen | i would certainly expect the wiki move to wikia had a substatial money transfer |
| 17:16.35 | TecnoBrat | Doubleclick is horrible, they aren't even a good company. |
| 17:16.50 | TecnoBrat | They shaft their advertisers and publishers |
| 17:16.53 | Kirkburn | Hey, I thought you got afk kicked after 30 mins - is it actually 1 hour? |
| 17:16.59 | TecnoBrat | Thats another story entirely. |
| 17:17.16 | TecnoBrat | Gryphen, I would hope so. |
| 17:17.16 | Gryphen | it seems a lot longer that than i thought too Kirkburn |
| 17:17.29 | Kirkburn | Up to 46 mins atm |
| 17:17.34 | Gryphen | i thought it was afk in 15, kick at 30 |
| 17:18.17 | TecnoBrat | It depends on where you are .. and your server population I think |
| 17:18.27 | TecnoBrat | like you get flagged faster in a BG |
| 17:18.31 | Kirkburn | I think I can say that yes, wikia made a good offer |
| 17:18.41 | TecnoBrat | Kirkburn, thats good :) |
| 17:18.54 | Kirkburn | And they approached us |
| 17:19.14 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/06/25/refighting-the-second-war/ |
| 17:19.24 | Kirkburn | (I think that was evident from their posts though) |
| 17:19.38 | TecnoBrat | I always wondered why people get some sort of personal attachment to business transactions such as that |
| 17:20.14 | Shmoo | I would say it's likely from the community-driven content and ownership one gets from a wiki. |
| 17:20.22 | TecnoBrat | I think the important thing is that the site stays true to its previous form. |
| 17:20.32 | TecnoBrat | As long as they can maintain that ... I don't really care |
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| 17:20.51 | Shmoo | People like to feel vested in the things they contribute to. |
| 17:20.56 | TecnoBrat | well from what I saw, the wowwiki move was pretty quiet |
| 17:21.04 | Shmoo | indeed |
| 17:21.33 | TecnoBrat | Probably because of the 2nd part I said "I think the important thing is that the site stays true to its previous form." |
| 17:21.48 | TecnoBrat | which was pretty clear to happen because of the business model wikia has |
| 17:28.57 | Bagginsww | Ok the Altar for humans in WarcraftIII the sound is "Amen" right? |
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| 18:22.22 | SoothingR | question |
| 18:22.31 | SoothingR | what is the name of the Lost one model in the MPQ files? |
| 18:25.56 | SoothingR | actually |
| 18:25.59 | SoothingR | never mind <_< |
| 18:26.30 | Kirkburn | Why is it that some people refuse to view humans as animals |
| 18:27.23 | Gryphen | Because they don't really think about it |
| 18:28.28 | Kirkburn | A thread I was responding to earlier had this: |
| 18:29.10 | Kirkburn | "Again how do animals humping the same sex or a stuffed toy [I have no idea where he got the stuffed toy from] justify humans having gay sex? Are you saying that because animals do it then it must be ok for humans? LOL! What other animal behavior could we use to justify humans doing it?" |
| 18:30.49 | Kirkburn | This same guy also feels that kissing on a bus at age 14 is "wrong" |
| 18:31.17 | Kirkburn | And I'm talking about simple kissing. Nothing more. |
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| 18:32.05 | Kirkburn | (ze thread ... of dooooom! http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=568735) |
| 18:32.14 | Kirkburn | Evening Teomyr |
| 18:32.21 | Teomyr | hiya |
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| 18:41.13 | Bagginsww | You know some animals practice polygamy and bestiality its only fair that if gays get rights that polygmasts |
| 18:41.37 | Bagginsww | and bestiality practitionarers get equal rights |
| 18:42.53 | Bagginsww | I kid you not I had a dog that would hump cats |
| 18:43.07 | Bagginsww | http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/nov/05111703.html |
| 18:44.08 | Bagginsww | I remember there was one state that was discussing possibility for marriage between man and his uh horse :p |
| 18:47.28 | Kirkburn | Animals practice beastiality? |
| 18:47.32 | Kirkburn | That's ... novel :P |
| 18:47.50 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 18:48.09 | Kirkburn | I guess there's a more appropriate name for it |
| 18:48.47 | Bagginsww | well to be honest I don't think there is a specific definiion of one animal having sexual intercourse with another species :p |
| 18:48.56 | Bagginsww | bestiality is the closest one :p |
| 18:49.09 | Bagginsww | though current definition says its between a human and another animal :p |
| 18:49.20 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/06/25/the-wabac-machine-takes-you-to-early-azeroth/ |
| 18:49.21 | Kirkburn | Polygamy is an odd thing, in that I'm not entirely sure why it's not allowed in more secular countries, yet that it seems accepted by most that it's 'wrong' in some sense of the word |
| 18:49.47 | Bagginsww | Ya polygmay is more common than monogamy |
| 18:50.00 | Bagginsww | in most countries |
| 18:50.22 | Bagginsww | its starting to shift towards monagamy in many countries that are trying to emulate western culture |
| 18:50.51 | Kirkburn | Hmm, true I guess |
| 18:51.20 | Bagginsww | There are different kinds of polygamy though. |
| 18:51.24 | Kirkburn | Monogamy is a major basis of christianity, the culture resulting from it could explain that |
| 18:51.34 | Bagginsww | ya I think so |
| 18:51.57 | Bagginsww | although it could have ties to some other religions as well. Not sure about mithrism |
| 18:52.27 | Bagginsww | alot of christianity and western culture has ties to things developed by Mithra cults |
| 18:55.34 | Bagginsww | ok back to warcraft |
| 18:56.03 | Bagginsww | Would, "I'd give Azotha gold for a dull moment" be an euphamism or a dysphemism? |
| 19:01.44 | Kirkburn | I have no idea |
| 19:01.52 | Kirkburn | Dunno the latter |
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| 19:04.36 | Bagginsww | latter might be better I think |
| 19:04.43 | Bagginsww | cause I think its a complaint |
| 19:05.11 | Bagginsww | I'm trying to work on seperating Azotha redirect from humans and make it its own article |
| 19:05.31 | Bagginsww | I'm working on including all the references that exist to Azotha |
| 19:18.43 | [NewsBot] | Blizzplanet: Starcraft II Q&A - Batch 3 - http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=1463 |
| 19:24.27 | winkiller | 3rd toon to 60, yay |
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| 19:31.15 | Bagginsww | loss of session data again :p |
| 19:34.15 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/06/25/pandemic-wins-again-at-wsvg-louisville/ |
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| 19:54.10 | Sandwichman2448 | Hello. |
| 19:54.17 | Teomyr | lo |
| 19:55.27 | Sandwichman2448 | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Community_portal#Policy:Homophobia_.26_The_Sara_Andrews_Fiasco |
| 19:57.24 | Sandwichman2448 | I feel awkward about responding. |
| 19:58.01 | Teomyr | teabag? |
| 19:59.03 | Sandwichman2448 | No... Perhaps. But it is not his normal style. |
| 20:00.10 | Sandwichman2448 | Can I respond and still be though of as... [politicly correct term here] |
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| 20:03.35 | eliah | Whoever it was that was asking for per-category RSS feeds on WoW Insider, are they around now? |
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| 20:04.05 | Teomyr | i guess that was dotted, but i have no idea |
| 20:04.19 | cki | yo Guys :D |
| 20:04.19 | eliah | I think it was Tekkub maybe... |
| 20:04.32 | Tekkub | aye |
| 20:04.49 | eliah | apparently we already have that |
| 20:04.55 | eliah | just add rss.xml to the end of any category url |
| 20:05.00 | Tekkub | where? *facepalm* |
| 20:05.01 | eliah | like http://www.wowinsider.com/category/guilds/rss.xml |
| 20:05.13 | eliah | Perhaps I should make a post publicizing that feature |
| 20:05.23 | Tekkub | bah! maybe some links should be made so that's more obvious :) |
| 20:05.37 | eliah | yeah, we're talking to the site people about it. |
| 20:06.08 | Dotted | [@Teomyr]: i guess that was dotted, but i have no idea <- nah im just asking for a less retarded feed :( |
| 20:06.18 | eliah | what's wrong with our feed? :( |
| 20:06.20 | Teomyr | ah :D |
| 20:06.50 | Tekkub | okey yea.. like say http://www.wowinsider.com/category/wow-moviewatch/ |
| 20:07.11 | Tekkub | add another of these in the head |
| 20:07.13 | Tekkub | <link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="RSS 2.0" href="/rss.xml" /> |
| 20:07.18 | Dotted | well it get random subdomain links like www.news.wowinsider.com/blah/blah/ instead of www.wowinsider.com/blah/blah/ |
| 20:07.25 | Tekkub | but give it the link to the category rss |
| 20:07.45 | Tekkub | then FF will pick up that the page hav 2 rss feeds and let the user choose |
| 20:07.54 | eliah | is that what it takes for feeds to get autodiscovered? i always wondered about that. |
| 20:08.08 | Tekkub | yup, that tag in the <head> |
| 20:08.38 | eliah | Dotted, I'm not seeing that in our feed now, but maybe I'm looking in the wrong place |
| 20:09.22 | Tekkub | well that helps, my big thing was I didn't want to miss movies or screenshots, but I wanted to be able to "mark all as read" on the main posts on days when you guys get really chatty :P |
| 20:09.34 | eliah | heh |
| 20:10.36 | Dotted | eliah it happens at random |
| 20:11.55 | Dotted | eliah read pm |
| 20:12.07 | eliah | done |
| 20:12.28 | eliah | I'll pass it along |
| 20:12.29 | Dotted | if you hang out in here you will eventually see it :p |
| 20:18.49 | Bagginsww | Hey sandwich |
| 20:19.03 | Sandwichman2448 | hello. |
| 20:19.26 | Bagginsww | ya model only has 4 legs in warcraft III |
| 20:19.37 | Bagginsww | I bet its just a limitation |
| 20:19.40 | Bagginsww | to the engine |
| 20:19.50 | Bagginsww | *nerubian |
| 20:20.02 | Bagginsww | models in WoW have 6 |
| 20:20.47 | Sandwichman2448 | Four legs = two arms/ |
| 20:20.51 | Sandwichman2448 | and |
| 20:22.00 | Sandwichman2448 | Hmm |
| 20:22.00 | Sandwichman2448 | that middle thing is not a leg? |
| 20:27.04 | Sandwichman2448 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Mrscribbles |
| 20:28.38 | Sandwichman2448 | Usless? Needs help? Delete? Eat? |
| 20:32.28 | Bagginsww | 6 appendges sandwhc |
| 20:32.41 | Bagginsww | that middle thing is the top of one of the 2 legs on that side |
| 20:33.00 | Sandwichman2448 | Oh.\ |
| 20:33.09 | Bagginsww | the ones in wow have 8 appendages counting the arms |
| 20:33.17 | Sandwichman2448 | Well engine limits is my vote |
| 20:33.58 | Gryphen | omgslowwiki |
| 20:34.00 | Bagginsww | ya enven the manual said they had 6 legs |
| 20:34.02 | Bagginsww | not 4 |
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| 20:34.24 | Sandwichman2448 | The wiki is off today... |
| 20:35.46 | Sandwichman2448 | So, yeah. They have eaight/ten limbs. not six. |
| 20:36.25 | Sandwichman2448 | And nice vioce effects. |
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| 20:38.00 | Bagginsww | ya 10 if we count the mandable/pedipalps heh |
| 20:38.39 | Sandwichman2448 | Those may be just fangs. |
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| 20:49.16 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/06/25/taking-the-production-out-of-itemcrafting/ |
| 20:50.53 | Sandwichman2448 | I do not like that Idea. |
| 20:51.27 | Teomyr | it's already ingame, it's called reputation farming |
| 20:52.06 | Sandwichman2448 | Sure? |
| 20:52.15 | Teomyr | you farm tons of marks of kil'jaeden, obsidian warbeads... to get the faction rewards. not that much different |
| 20:53.33 | Sandwichman2448 | Well they said give an npc the mats and it will make the product of any profession. |
| 20:54.29 | Teomyr | well, agreed, if it were to replace the crafting professions as they're now, that'd be a huge change ;) |
| 20:57.01 | Shmoo | ugh...trading Player-Run price gouging for state-run. |
| 20:57.35 | Shmoo | s/price gouging/economy/ |
| 20:58.18 | Devilkoul | http://www.chrisknox.com/hydross.jpg |
| 20:58.22 | Devilkoul | hehe |
| 20:58.32 | Sandwichman2448 | . |
| 20:58.57 | Devilkoul | the gm of that guild gives me 100g every ss i do for em |
| 20:59.33 | Sandwichman2448 | Nice |
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| 21:39.15 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/06/25/39-days-until-blizzcon/ |
| 21:41.00 | Bagginsww | can someone make a micro icon of a speaker graphic? |
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| 21:42.03 | Polarin1 | Hello. |
| 21:42.44 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Assassin |
| 21:42.48 | Bagginsww | something like the BC inset graphic |
| 21:42.55 | Bagginsww | but a picture of a speaker |
| 21:43.02 | Bagginsww | that can be clicked on to go to ogg files |
| 21:52.25 | Devilkoul | color? |
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| 21:54.04 | Sky2042 | hey gryphen or kirkburn, could you tag a delete on the pages in this category: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Category:MediaWiki%E3%83%A6%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B6%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BA%E3%82%AC%E3%82%A4%E3%83%89&action=edit ? |
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| 21:54.26 | Gryphen | we have tried, cant get to em |
| 21:54.39 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 21:56.20 | Bagginsww | devilkou color maybe a nice grey? |
| 21:56.26 | Sky2042 | weeeeeee |
| 21:56.27 | Bagginsww | whatever looks good |
| 21:56.32 | Sky2042 | spamming up teh RC |
| 21:56.33 | Sky2042 | muahahaha |
| 21:56.45 | Bagginsww | I mean a light grey |
| 21:57.07 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Ered2.ogg image ogg for example |
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| 21:58.01 | Polarina | Teomyr: Remember that Addon I made to show the vendor sell value of all items? It now only consumes 109 KB! |
| 21:58.12 | Teomyr | oO |
| 21:58.23 | Teomyr | wow! |
| 21:58.28 | Sky2042 | pcj, did you just ctrl+c on that? :P |
| 21:58.36 | Sky2042 | ack |
| 21:59.22 | Sky2042 | gryphen |
| 21:59.28 | Sky2042 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Wantedcategories |
| 21:59.30 | Sky2042 | :P |
| 21:59.40 | Gryphen | ya |
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| 22:00.18 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Eredun#Eredun_Primer |
| 22:00.33 | Gryphen | i usually just hit the ones with 3 |
| 22:00.43 | Sandwichman2448 | The Def for man'ari contradicts itself. |
| 22:00.45 | Sky2042 | mmm |
| 22:01.12 | Polarina | Teomyr: :) |
| 22:01.33 | Sandwichman2448 | baggins? |
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| 22:05.09 | Devilkoul | sec |
| 22:05.13 | Devilkoul | my puter is taking a shat |
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| 22:07.12 | Bagginsww | ya sandwich there are two possible definitions :p |
| 22:07.24 | Bagginsww | the one given ingame |
| 22:07.27 | Bagginsww | and the one given in rise of the horde |
| 22:07.55 | Sandwichman2448 | Seems to contadict. |
| 22:08.17 | Sandwichman2448 | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Alliance&diff=718146&oldid=718141 ? |
| 22:08.42 | Bagginsww | actulally there are some parts in ROTH where one of the characters refers to himself as man-ari |
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| 22:09.05 | Sandwichman2448 | Hm... you sure? |
| 22:09.14 | Sandwichman2448 | page? |
| 22:09.52 | Sandwichman2448 | NVM. |
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| 22:10.27 | Bagginsww | you found it? |
| 22:10.29 | Bagginsww | I'll look later |
| 22:11.33 | Bagginsww | I have the quotes from BC somewhere |
| 22:11.42 | Bagginsww | I scrednshotted it |
| 22:12.19 | Litvan | meh.. still no adys |
| 22:14.36 | Devilkoul | baggins |
| 22:14.36 | Devilkoul | http://www.chrisknox.com/speaker_wiki.gif |
| 22:16.54 | Bagginsww | is it supposed to be red? |
| 22:17.12 | Devilkoul | ya? |
| 22:17.13 | Bagginsww | still might be a little big |
| 22:17.29 | Bagginsww | basically we need something that can fit next to a sentence |
| 22:18.02 | Bagginsww | but won't push sentences above it or below it out of wack |
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| 22:18.42 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.44 | [NewsBot] | Blizzplanet: BlizzCon 2007 Ticket Contest - http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=1464 |
| 22:19.11 | Devilkoul | gonna redo, smaller than it was too much distortion |
| 22:19.13 | Devilkoul | sec |
| 22:20.57 | Bagginsww | http://www.changing-places.org/images/icon-speaker.gif |
| 22:21.06 | Bagginsww | that one looks like it oculd be "flattened" easier |
| 22:21.31 | Bagginsww | http://www.msuphi.com/images/speaker_icon2.gif that one is nice too, but not sure how much it could be shrunken |
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| 22:24.15 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/06/25/new-database-site-wowdigger/ |
| 22:26.46 | Devilkoul | http://www.chrisknox.com/speaker_wiki.gif try it again |
| 22:26.58 | Devilkoul | omitted the bevel |
| 22:29.31 | Bagginsww | bit better but I think too dark |
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| 22:53.14 | Gryphen | lol @ wowdigger |
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| 23:09.53 | zeeg | LOL |
| 23:09.58 | zeeg | worldofwar has a copycat of wowhead now |
| 23:10.02 | zeeg | Gryphen: oh ya i just saw that too |
| 23:10.47 | zeeg | i dont see why no one can be innovative |
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| 23:11.02 | zeeg | thottbot pops up, everyone copy/pastes it, wowhead pops up, ampwow copies it, now worldofwar copies it |
| 23:12.12 | zeeg | the least you can do when you copy/paste is improve on it -.- |
| 23:12.40 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Eredun |
| 23:12.51 | Bagginsww | added in the sound files for Archimonde's speech :) |
| 23:13.18 | Sky2042 | add them to archimonde's page :) |
| 23:13.55 | Sky2042 | btw, when did we add ogg support? |
| 23:13.56 | Sky2042 | >.> |
| 23:20.27 | Gryphen | zeeg i like this, 'And with "choose what information you share..." in their description', umm.... players information is going to be available via the armory still no matter what digger offers lol |
| 23:20.40 | zeeg | :) |
| 23:20.50 | zeeg | ya we dont let you choose, at least not right now, but we're beyond just wow profiles |
| 23:20.53 | zeeg | all you can do is hide/show chars |
| 23:21.34 | Sky2042 | wowhead for me |
| 23:22.16 | Gryphen | thott for me |
| 23:22.51 | zeeg | wowhead doesnt have profiles |
| 23:23.06 | Gryphen | armory for me |
| 23:23.10 | Sky2042 | it will zeeg |
| 23:23.11 | Sky2042 | ;P |
| 23:23.18 | Sky2042 | which is part of why they sold |
| 23:23.31 | zeeg | because that makes any sense at all |
| 23:23.34 | Sky2042 | ctprofiles went down cause the ct guys got swapmed with it |
| 23:23.42 | zeeg | more like because wow invented armory |
| 23:23.45 | Gryphen | they got swamped with the work |
| 23:23.58 | zeeg | it takes nothing to keep profiles working :) |
| 23:24.03 | Sky2042 | true |
| 23:24.07 | zeeg | so thats a poor excuse |
| 23:24.10 | Sky2042 | wowhead's trying to make ctprofiles 2.0 though ;P |
| 23:24.14 | zeeg | but the armory is a big threat to any profile site |
| 23:24.24 | zeeg | i honestly dont see a reason to make something targetting wow profiles |
| 23:24.37 | Sky2042 | armory is pathetic :/ |
| 23:24.43 | Sky2042 | and slow, to boot |
| 23:24.46 | zeeg | sometimes |
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| 23:25.00 | Gryphen | i thought wowar had a db |
| 23:25.11 | zeeg | Gryphen: it did.. no one used it |
| 23:25.20 | zeeg | it had a horrible UI |
| 23:25.35 | zeeg | it was wdn or something |
| 23:25.57 | zeeg | oh they kept it |
| 23:26.02 | zeeg | http://wwndata.worldofwar.net/ |
| 23:26.03 | zeeg | oh nvm |
| 23:26.25 | Sky2042 | MALOWNED! |
| 23:26.28 | Sky2042 | >.> |
| 23:26.30 | Sky2042 | <.< |
| 23:27.01 | zeeg | tbh -- I think i'd use wowgurus old and outdated db over wowdigger :P |
| 23:28.12 | Jer|away | I'm ain't saying she's a wowdigger, but she ain't messin wit no lvl 60 nigga |
| 23:28.22 | Gryphen | o.O |
| 23:28.42 | zeeg | -.- |
| 23:34.57 | Bagginsww | sky ogg support was added today |
| 23:35.00 | Bagginsww | as far as I know |
| 23:35.06 | Bagginsww | I had to have it requested heh |
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| 23:44.15 | [NewsBot] | WOW Insider: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/06/25/some-downtime-some-rolling-restarts-for-this-weeks-mainteinace/ |
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