IRC log for #wowwiki on 20070427

00:01.42Baron2Hmm. Maybe the Black Temple will be a bit much for you, then.
00:02.06Baron2From what I heard, mobs do stuff like 14k nature damage per tick
00:02.47Devilkoulhah
00:03.36Baron2In the sewers.
00:03.59Baron2Apparently, Illidan sh... have powerful abilities (lol)
00:04.15Baron2Because, from what I heard, those are SLUDGES.
00:04.44Baron2Being one shoted by an Abomination is understandable, but one of the loosiest mob of the game...
00:04.56Kirkburn|afklol
00:04.57Kirkburn|afkRight, I'm off
00:05.02Kirkburn|afkSee ya'll 2moro
00:05.05Devilkoullate
00:07.15Baron2Yeah
00:07.29Baron2Devilkoul, do you know the release date of the patch ?
00:09.38Devilkoul3 weeks
00:09.48Devilkoulunconfirmed
00:10.15Devilkoulmy guess
00:11.02Devilkoulsince its been in the ptr for bout a week
00:12.33Baron2In three weeks ? Nice
00:13.09Baron2My other question: 5% damage (talent) is calculated how ?
00:17.44DevilkoulProbably after all your +spell damage is calculated.
00:18.08DevilkoulJust like Piercing Ice, Playing with Fire, Fire Power, Arcane Instability, Shadow Mastery, Soul Link, etc., etc., etc., it is applied to the total spell damage with gear.
00:20.48Baron2Ok
00:21.21Baron2So, if I have, say, 1000, it's means 50 more damage.
00:21.26Baron2Hey, It's not bad.
00:22.38Devilkoulye
00:22.52Devilkoulgd, http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/210/trinketmage.jpg  they buffed the hell outa it
00:23.50Baron2Is this true that Polymorph no longer heal ?
00:24.32sancuser no, it means that if your frostbolts hit for 1000, now they hit for 1050
00:24.49sancusnothing to do with your +dmg score
00:24.55Baron2Yes.
00:24.58Devilkoulerr ye
00:25.11Devilkoullisten to sancus, he's the sober one
00:25.11sancusif you have 1000 damage, your frostbolts hit for a LOT more than 1000 :)
00:25.11Devilkoul:P
00:25.27Baron2What about the Polymorph change ?
00:25.35sancusthat was a bug on the ptr
00:25.39sancusno idea if they said what was up with that yet
00:25.56Baron2Is this true that in the PTR, Elemental is now bugged ?
00:26.23Baron2(I sure hope that they keep the Artic Wind change)
00:27.01sancusno idea
00:27.05sancusgo on the PTR and check
00:27.09Baron2Ok
00:27.42Baron2Same question that I asked to Devilkoul, but do you know the time where this patch will go live ?
00:27.51Kaydeethreeit's gonna take a few weeks
00:27.59Kaydeethreethey just opened Hyjal
00:29.16Baron2Battle of Mount Hyjal ?
00:29.20sancusno one knows the time when it'll go live, not even blizzard
00:29.25Baron2Do we see Ladt Jaina in action ?
00:29.30sancus'when there's sufficiently few bugs'
00:29.52Baron2I just hope this is not THIS week. This is the first time since release that I have significant time for instancing
00:30.10sancusits not this week
00:30.18Baron2If every single time is busy being an... ra.... in Black Temple, finding Heroic Pugs would be harsh
00:30.48sancusheroic... pugs? lol
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00:32.33Baron2Well, I'm a mage.
00:32.43Baron2I have to take what pass
00:32.45Devilkoulgoing for more booze, late
00:32.50Baron2Some PUGs work very well.
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00:43.01EchuuArena Point calulators
00:43.14Echuudiscovered*
00:44.06Echuuok it wasn't wiped
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02:34.14Kitanyo yo yo!
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02:43.32Devilkoulhttp://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/devastation2.jpg
02:43.34Devilkoulrtt
02:43.35Devilkoulerr
02:43.36DevilkoulMT
02:43.45Bibi`ouFhttp://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/deva1.jpg
02:43.45Bibi`ouF:p
02:43.52Devilkoulkekeke
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03:12.08Devilkoulwb baggins, sup hob
03:13.18Hobinheimyeo...
03:13.29Hobinheimso ikea gave me the wrong desk...
03:14.01Devilkoulhah
03:14.29Devilkoulnicer one?
03:14.43Hobinheimthe backwards one...
03:14.49Devilkoulsweet
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04:01.30BagginswwSo trying to figure out how to set up a hawaii vacation on the cheap... I'm finding that camping some of the time might be the way to go
04:01.47Bagginswweven renting mountain cabins on the islands is cheaper than hotel costs
04:11.09vlad_camping wouldn't be bad at all
04:11.15vlad_though that depends a lot on which island you go to
04:11.24vlad_some will have easier access to civilization than others
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04:36.58Adyshello my sweeties <3
04:39.18Bagginswwhawkspur's spellcheck bot is capitalizing all race names...
04:42.36AdysWhose bot?
04:42.39AdysWha?
04:45.51Adysah
04:45.54Adysits not a bot baggins
04:51.29Bagginswwoh
04:58.49vlad_manual bot! :)
05:01.21Bagginswwthought it was a bot since I saw so many in a row LOL
05:01.40Bagginswwswitching topics each time LOL
05:04.06BagginswwThe name of the northern continent comes from the three main Alliance races languages here : Lorn (in Dwarvish) that means "Land", Daer (in Common) that means "People" and Ronae (in Thalassian) that means peaceful. Hence Lordaeron, the peaceful land of the people.
05:04.10Bagginswwsays who?
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05:13.43Bagginswwwell I'm trying to see if that'st rue
05:14.01Bagginswwif its listed in any source we need to cite it and add it to the language articles
05:18.49Bagginswwfound it
05:18.52BagginswwLands of Conflict
05:20.35Bagginswwich they named with a combination of
05:20.35Bagginswwwords from the human, elven, and dwarven languages:
05:20.35Bagginswwlorn, dwarven for “land”; daer, the human
05:20.36Bagginswwword for “people”; and ronae, “peaceful” in the elven
05:20.36Bagginswwtongue — hence, Lordaeron.
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06:26.20Sky2042skosiris
06:26.29Sky2042i just thought of something alla has that you don't
06:26.32Sky2042:x
06:26.50Sky2042mmm, happy bday kirkburn
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06:27.23Mikkhttp://forums.scrollsoflore.com/showthread.php?t=1733
06:29.16Sky2042my firefox r not borken anymore!
06:29.19Sky2042yay
06:29.25HJTgood morning every1!
06:30.17Sky2042<3 you mikk
06:30.30Sky2042"let's call him 'Baggins'"
06:30.33Sky2042:P
06:30.36Mikk=)
06:30.59Slagertnothing like a forum with a green background and green text ;)
06:31.03Sky2042truth
06:31.23Sky2042of course, we are worse if you're viewing wowwiki with the white background...
06:31.24Sky2042>.>
06:31.24Sky2042<.<
06:32.34AdysMikk: LOL
06:36.33Adysawesome tbh
06:37.21Sky2042indeed
06:38.00SlagertAdys, stop pretending to have a life and get back to bed - it's pre 9AM! >:)
06:38.07Mikki added another blurb towards the end about "your" site
06:38.10AdysI woke up at 6 sweety :<
06:38.10Mikkworth a reload tbh
06:38.33Mikkwow. now i'm all puffed out =P
06:38.39Adyslol
06:39.07AdysInternet, making drama out of anything
06:39.18AdysLove it, live it
06:39.24Sky2042fuck dude, why did you have to bring up MoM? XP
06:39.25SlagertBUT IT MATTERS (caps intended) ;)
06:39.43Mikk=)
06:40.10Adysadded a bit of bot work on WW:BR btw
06:40.11Mikkon a sidenote, is there a new MoM on its way out that explicitly states that it replaces the old one?
06:40.14Adyssince kitan was asking for some
06:40.27Mikkcause if so it seems that the problem is going away tbfh
06:40.45Sky2042who knows
06:40.54Sky2042leave a note on baggins' talk page
06:40.55Sky2042he would know
06:40.56Sky2042:x
06:41.13Mikkhhe
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06:42.32Sky2042you know, i think it would be fun to get those sol guys on here
06:42.36Sky2042they sound fun
06:42.47AdysLike they would
06:42.48Sky2042they just don't get that they need to contribute, rather than eliminate
06:42.52Sky2042true
06:42.53Adysnot until a while anyways
06:43.01Adysand jeez people
06:43.03Adysgo vote :P http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Writing/ExternalLinks
06:43.24Mikkbah. they're just not getting that wowwiki isn't some anonymous entity where you just make edits out of the blue.
06:43.25Sky2042it's winning... what more do you want?
06:43.28*** topic/#wowwiki by Adys -> Channel info: tinyurl.com/36u82j | RC list: tinyurl.com/2oawam | UI questions? Join #wowi-lounge | Go vote! http://tinyurl.com/366sje | Nominate a Featured Article today! WW:FA | Go vote! WW:EL
06:43.31Mikkthey needed to understand that wowwiki = people
06:43.35Sky2042true
06:44.41Mikkwhy do we need to vote? it's closing already?
06:44.55Sky2042it should be closing
06:45.03Sky2042but it really does need Writing/External links
06:45.11Sky2042>.>
06:45.12Mikkexcept policies don't have an explicit closing template
06:45.40AdysNeed comments anyways
06:46.09AdysSlagert: Im busy as hell farming AB rep, I want my justicar title on day 1 :P
06:46.16AdysThe League of Arathor:19117/21000 (91.03%) Currently Revered with 1883 to go
06:46.20Adys>>
06:46.34Sky2042i didn't notice this earlier...: http://forums.scrollsoflore.com/image.php?u=520&dateline=1177258884
06:46.36Slagertpvp is the devil
06:46.48Adys~pat slagert
06:47.02infobotACTION pats slagert and says "Nicely Done!"
06:47.15Adysmeh this bot needs new emotes
06:47.17Slagertahwell, starting arena tonight with the shadowpriest ;)
06:47.33Adys2v2?
06:47.36Sky2042hjt: hehe, of course subtlety is worthwhile... the pattern is bop :x
06:47.36Slagert5v5
06:47.40Adysheh
06:47.48Adys5's are too much of a zerg >< hate em
06:47.53Slagertwtb caster mainhand itemization that doesnt require LC exalted =/
06:47.58AdysEnjoying my 2v2 team with dishii =)
06:48.07AdysMage/Shaman be fun
06:48.13Adysgrounding totem etc
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06:53.56HJTSky2042: i know the problems around it ( see talk page there :s) but give me a better enchant for back?
06:54.47Sky2042better?
06:54.51Sky2042i'll go looking some other time
06:55.41HJT120 armor? u get one-hitted anyway, so no good
06:55.54HJTbtw: http://www.wowwiki.com/Enchantment/Back
06:56.40Sky2042i'd add spell penetration, so that the cloak can be used for hybrid usage
06:56.45AdysUse Breadcrumb instead of the link at the top
06:57.01HJTAdys: ?
06:57.07Adyssec, ill dot hat
06:57.08Adysdo that
06:57.10Sky2042{{crumb}}
06:57.33HJTkinda that? {{Enchantment/Back}}
06:57.37Adysbah nvm ><
06:57.50Sky2042yeah, 2% and spell pen are about all you can enchant cloaks for as a caster... maybe major resistance
06:58.24Slagertwould love to see mp5 or something
06:58.29Sky2042yeah... no.
06:58.33Sky2042;(
06:58.33Slagertahwell *keeps on wishful thinking*
06:58.42HJTmp5 is best for chest
06:58.57Sky2042i guess mages are stuck with spell pen ;(
06:59.01Slagerthehe - spell pen isn't all that brilliant no :P
06:59.23SlagertI need that slacker Adys to sort me with subtlety sometime ;)
06:59.32Adysmeeeh
06:59.36Slagert*grin*
06:59.47AdysI prefer resists tbh
07:00.02Adysspell pen isnt all that useful, but it isnt really expensive
07:00.04Sky20427 resists vs 20 pen?...
07:00.06Slagert5 res to all? meh.. kinda aggro capped on my spriest
07:00.09Sky2042come no adys
07:00.12Sky2042now*
07:00.47Sky2042with 20 pen to cloak, you don't need it -anywhere- else on your gear
07:00.53Sky2042anywhere
07:01.04Adysyes except its something you can get very easily
07:01.14Adysand 7@ is not that easy to get
07:01.16Slagertyaah spell pen is dirt cheap hehe
07:01.36Adysarcane sub gives me 10 spellpen
07:01.40Slagertand the res one.. well.. grinding enough primals as it is =/
07:01.57Sky2042not everyone has arcane sub >.>
07:02.10Sky2042i guess go with +5, since that's the cheapest...
07:02.13Adysid prob go with 5@ if its not a cloak you'll keep until you kill illidan or something
07:02.22HJTwhat should a healer do with spell penentration???
07:02.38Slagertheal harder!
07:02.39Adysi mean, onoes, illidan doesnt die, i mean when he flees kneeling before your powah
07:03.28Slagertdidnt spellpower on bracers get its requirements lowered as well? Or rather, in 2.1.0?
07:03.36Adysyes
07:03.41Adysin 2.1
07:03.50Slagerthm, might actually be bothered to get it then ;)
07:04.54Slagertah, 6 fire + water as opposed to 8. Still quite a bit =/
07:06.04Sky2042eh
07:06.08Sky2042that's 4 less total :P
07:09.29Slagertyeah it is - it's still 12 primals though, and grinding primals for primary raiding kit progression is already quite taxing at times hehe
07:09.52Sky2042true
07:19.58Sky2042mmm, night
07:33.27trikanyone here been inside tempest keep?
07:33.32trikraid instance of course
07:33.36chuckgYes.
07:33.45trikwhat's it like
07:34.33chuckgThe trash couldn't be more densely packed or annoying.
07:34.45chuckgEvery pull has 2-5 mobs which do a 4-8k damage aoe.
07:35.01trikwhat server are you at?
07:35.02chuckgAnd these robots do a counter-attack kind of like the ones in KZ, but it demolishes any melee in range instantly.
07:35.07chuckgExecutus.
07:35.18chuckgVoidreaver is a loot vessel.
07:35.39chuckgA'lar will be murder, we've only spent an hour or so on him and we'll be beginning astramancer Sunday.
07:36.38trikis your guild the one keyed for tk raid instance in your server?
07:37.21chuckgYes.
07:37.31trikgolly
07:37.37chuckgWe're the only guild to kill anything in SSC too.
07:37.45trikwhat guild are you in?
07:38.49chuckghttp://wowwiki.com/Server:Executus_US
07:38.53chuckgIt'll be obvious.
07:40.09trikwow
07:44.40chuckgWow what?
07:49.23trikyour guild progression
07:49.49chuckgOh.
07:58.02Mikkhttp://forums.scrollsoflore.com/showthread.php?p=41763  ... meh.. bit predictable responses so far
08:04.04chuckgMisspelled erroneous.
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08:05.04chuckgThat first guys response is moronic at best.
08:07.21MikkNo shit, but I'm trying to look past all the bile :>
08:07.51HJTremembers me of our 'beloved' SVP (a political party, conservative right wings)
08:10.34HJTor the'r just too jealous to even admit their jealousy
08:16.02TekkubBUCKFUTTER!
08:16.41chuckgYou sicken me.
08:16.46chuckg=D
08:20.23sancusthat's dumb
08:20.51sancuswhat kind of idiot would think that a lore site would be what someone would link you to for information on lore
08:21.21sancusa more general site is always going to be known above any specific purpose site and linked more frequently, duh
08:22.31sancusmy bet would be the main gripe those people have with wowwiki is that it's popular, and their site will never be popular.
08:24.05Tekkubsancus, you have such a huge web site epeen
08:24.09Tekkubit's spectacular
08:24.10Tekkub:)
08:24.16sancusthat's got nothing to do with it
08:24.23sancusno one cares about WoW lore
08:24.25sancusharsh, but true
08:24.25Tekkub*grin*
08:24.31sancusa site that's ONLY about wow lore is never gonna be popular
08:24.33sancusbecause no one gives a shit
08:24.41sancussorry "warcraft" lore
08:24.42sancuswhatever :p
08:25.16TekkubOMG you broke the 4th wall! You're ruinin my gaming experience!
08:25.28TekkubI like the lore, but it's kinda a one-time read for me
08:25.32sancuswowwiki became what it is almost completely by accident
08:25.38TekkubI keep coming back to the wiki for other things
08:25.41sancusand it's only huge because it covers everything to do with the game
08:25.48chuckgwowwiki exists because of it's information concerning the WoW API.
08:25.55chuckgThat's 100% truth.
08:26.00sancusthat's what started it
08:26.01chuckgDevelopers started using it.
08:26.03sancusbut had it ONLY remained that
08:26.10sancusit wouldn't be that popular
08:26.12Tekkubthe API's what brings in new people
08:26.16chuckgThen developers started pushing their users to it.
08:26.19chuckgAnd the users took over.
08:26.19Tekkubthen they recommend it to their guilds...
08:26.20sancusIt gained information on every aspect of the game, and that's what makes it useful to the general user
08:26.20chuckg=D
08:26.33sancusbut if you had say, an API reference
08:26.39Tekkubbut yes, I agree, lore won't get you repeat traffic
08:26.40sancusand you said nope we're an api reference and we're never going to carry any other information
08:26.43sancusit wouldn't become popular
08:26.49sancusit couldn't
08:27.23sancusAnd I'm pretty certain that an API reference would be more of a traffic draw than lore could ever be
08:27.34sancusSo yeah saying THIS IS A LORE SITE is basically shooting yourself in the foot before you even got up.
08:27.49TekkubAPI will get much repeat traffic if it's done well
08:27.54sancusyeah
08:28.04sancusI'm not saying API is no good, wowwiki did originate as its API reference
08:28.07Tekkuband that popularity keeps it updated, which draws more traffic
08:28.11sancusbut it kept _growing_ because it grew into other areas
08:28.12Bagginswwwell got my tickets to hawaii locked down.
08:28.23Tekkubit's a visious cycle
08:28.26sancusthat's what shoots them in the foot, they're a lore site
08:28.29sancusthey can't grow
08:28.33sancusonly lore fags will ever go there
08:28.59sancusif some lore fag wants to write down some information about something that isn't lore
08:29.00sancushe can't!
08:29.13Tekkub*cough*
08:29.14sancuson wowwiki, the api people could write about other stuff, and tell other people who don't care about API stuff ot go write about stuff
08:29.22TekkubI don't see what sticks have to do with lore
08:29.24sancusand those people can tell other people who care about other stuff
08:29.35Bagginswwo'ahu, for 4 days, maui for 4 days, a week on the big island, and then my parents leave me there for university
08:29.46sancusTekkub: puh-lease :P
08:30.00Bagginswwcan't wait
08:30.07Tekkubdon't make me do the snap-snap, it's too gay even for me
08:30.26sancusbut anyway
08:30.49sancusThose people are hostile to wowwiki because it's the big popular site, and they're the little guy, and naturally the little guy has to fight the big one
08:30.53Tekkubheh, Draenei porn seems to bring a big crowd on the furry sites
08:31.03sancusbecause some people just have a hard-on for that
08:31.16Tekkubthere you go with your epeen again
08:31.18Tekkub:)
08:31.30Tekkubyou just like cock fights
08:31.36sancuswho doesn't?!
08:31.49Bagginswwdraenei porn? :P
08:31.53Tekkublittle guy vs big guy... who comes out on "top"?!?!
08:32.01sancusI just think it's funny, I've run little sites before, and you always make fun of the big popular ones
08:32.24sancuseven while you envy them and wish you were them :P
08:32.33chuckgsancus you are the devil and you will submit all your articles on Lore to me post haste or I will run a smear campaign against your website so large you cannot fathom the implications.
08:32.35chuckgIs that understood?
08:32.39Tekkubonce you had a big one you just couldn't go back could you?
08:32.46Tekkub"Once you have black..."
08:32.47*** kick/#wowwiki [chuckg!n=none@off.net] by sancus (yes)
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08:32.56Bagginswwhuh?
08:33.02chuckgI will also accept payment in the form of a database dump from the wiki.
08:33.03sancusTekkub: lol
08:33.05chuckgMake it happen.
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08:33.24Tekkubpfft, bot-copy, earn your rip off damnit
08:33.41Tekkub"Draenei are concentrated smex. And since they're giant beefy anyway, that's a dadgum lot of smex."
08:33.47Tekkubfurries are fun!
08:34.02sancusRunning a small site is hard, thankless work that ends up being a waste of time, mostly :P
08:34.27sancusit's fun if you don't have anything more optimal to do with your time, though
08:36.05Tekkub"Guns don't kill people, I kill people"   I like that
08:36.13sancusmurderer
08:37.06HJTuh oh, my girlfriend just said that after work, she goes to the lush shop... and i probably end up carrying all the stuff she buys home :s
08:37.25sancusthe.. the what?
08:38.00HJTwww.lush.com
08:38.17TekkubI can understand being a lush, but buying one?
08:38.25Tekkubthen carrying it home?
08:39.00Tekkubhttp://www.furaffinity.net/avatars/trashcat.gif
08:39.04Tekkubthat's good
08:40.09sancusI see
08:40.52Tekkubyou're not amused either?
08:45.53sancusthe "I see" was in response to HJT
08:47.25sancusBut yeah, I stopped being amused by cat-related images  a while ago :P
08:47.25HJTuh, my girlfriend now replied she'll carry it alone...
08:47.34HJTthat remembers me of an abba song: 'i believe in wonders....'
09:56.56Kirkburn|afkMorning!
10:04.01Tekkubgod damnit kirk
10:04.24Kirkburn|afkMoo!
10:09.56HJThi Kirkburn|afk
10:14.51Bibi`ouFhttp://www.wowwiki.com/images/b/b5/KTSUNSTRIDER.jpg
10:14.56Bibi`ouFemulated server ! emulated server !
10:15.56Kirkburn|afkCrappy picture, crappy picture!
10:16.04Kirkburn|afkHow far are people in TK atm? :)
10:16.33Bibi`ouFhttp://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=134.0
10:16.36Bibi`ouFI'd say that far ? :p
10:17.06Kirkburn|afkooh, screenshot replacement time
10:19.02Kirkburn|afkDone :)
10:19.14AdysWoah
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10:25.05Kirkburn|afklol at Kungen: http://www.nihilum.eu/forum/showthread.php?t=7955
10:30.47Kirkburn|afkMikk, thanks for that stuff on SoL. Y'know, perhaps we should put some kind of disclaimer on the About page?
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10:44.54Kirkburn|afkAdys!
10:44.57Adys2010whatever
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10:45.08Kirkburn|afkI never did make my goal of level 18 :(
10:45.13Adys:<
10:45.53Kirkburn|afkThis is what happens if go out for karaoke
10:46.32Kirkburn|afkMy friends got me to sing a song I don't bloody know with them :/
10:47.50Kirkburn|afkNever did convince them to sing a Toto song :(
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11:35.15Kirkburn|afk:(
11:35.24Kirkburn|afkAdys, I have a favour to ask :D
11:35.36Adysl2read wowace
11:35.39Kirkburn|afkhehe
11:48.10Kirkburn|afkYay, got "Ghostlands" finally!
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12:01.57Baron2Hello again. I have a question about the value of an item
12:02.24Baron2See, ATM, I have 2000 gold (still no epic mount), and I don't need to buy anything in particular.
12:02.38Baron2But....there is an Blade of Wizardy at 1500 gold on sale.
12:05.21Baron2Is the Blade of Wizardy worth it ?
12:05.37Bibi`ouFyes.
12:06.00Bibi`ouF(what's a blade of wizardy btw ?)
12:06.09Slagerthehe
12:06.17Baron2Epic BOE Level 70 Mage Weapon
12:06.20Slagert+150dmg sword thingie
12:06.24Slagertwith haste proc
12:06.31Baron2+150 damage to seplls. With haste indeed.
12:06.32Slagertif you like arena, then it's not tbh
12:06.38Baron2tbh ?
12:06.40Bibi`ouFdunno, as usual you can probably get something better in instances
12:06.42Slagertbetter off getting the gladiator mainhand
12:07.00Baron2Heck, I kinda suck at PVP
12:07.09Slagert<-- stating personal opinions btw
12:07.38Baron2Well, the only 150 weapon is the great ARCHMAGE BLADE, from Honor Hold
12:07.47Slagertah ok - well it's a rather nice wep. You might want to consider the KOT revered sword as well, quite a bit cheaper.. 121 dmg though
12:07.49Baron2It's give +150 too.
12:08.21Baron2ATM, I have three enchanted weapons. The KOT, the Horrid Dreams, and the Illidari Bane
12:08.47Baron2(Illidari Bane might be useful against Black Temple)
12:09.16Slagerthm, in that case it wouldn't be worth the upgrade for me (over the horrid dreams)
12:09.38Slagertbut hey, if you got some cash to burn, it IS better ;)
12:09.48Baron2The issue is that I'm quite close to ARCHMAGE BLADE.
12:10.30Slagertoh ok
12:10.30Baron2I mean, I'm about 16000/21000 exalted.
12:10.30Slagertin that case just keep your pennies ;)
12:10.40Baron2Is the Eye of Qagmirran, who also proc haste, is relatively easy to get ?
12:10.52Slagertlast boss heroic slave pens I think
12:11.54Baron2I know. Heroic Slave Pens, how is this, compared to, say, Mechanar Heroic ?
12:13.56Slagerteasier imo
12:14.19Slagertthe fire ele boss in mech can be a bit of a pain.. none of the slave pens bosses are all that hard imo
12:14.45Slagertone pretty nasty pull after the 2nd boss.. with dual-myrmidons iirc
12:15.29Baron2Is this doable with an PUG ?
12:16.02Slagertno more or less than a full mech heroic
12:16.04Baron2(ATM, I have +830 spell damage on ice. Enough geared ?)
12:16.27Slagertlast time I went my mage had about 1K I think
12:16.35Slagertbut hey, there's pots for a reason ;)
12:16.41Kirkburn|afkhttp://www.explosm.net/comics/879/
12:17.43Slagert*grin*
12:18.13Baron2Well, I'm Ice. It's 830 unbuffed
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12:18.55Slagertlet's just say I'd worry more about your PUG healers and tank than your +damage ;)
12:19.33Baron2I know. Back on Eredar, we have a sort of legend for bad tanks
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12:20.14Baron2(Including an infamous tank that once came to main tank in ZG with twin daggers)
12:20.22Slagertthat's not exclusive to your server - unfortunately the warrior class is populated with a lot of "dps flavour of the month" youngsters
12:20.56Slagerthehe - well admittedly you can dual wield tank the ZG trash just fine ;)
12:21.13Baron2About Healers, you know you got a bad PUG when you manage to sale one of your ''Imbued Netherweave Robe'' to the priest just before starting
12:21.22Slagertoh dear.
12:21.26Baron2....and that he put it on.
12:21.34ZiconOh dear.
12:21.42Slagertand begs for a +HP chant?
12:23.42Baron2No, not at this point...
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12:24.04Baron2About ''kids'', there are some irritating points.
12:24.53Baron2Like when you offer runs in Scarlet Monastery to Draenei ''youngsters'', and they ask YOU for money afterward
12:25.09Baron2afterward.
12:25.22ZiconWhat? That actually happens?
12:25.30Baron2Happenned two times.
12:25.43Baron2One time, the guy asked for it DURING the instance.
12:25.44Slagertimo boosts are the most reliable way of making sure people don't get to learn to play their class. Which is bad, as they'll end up in *your* PUG ultimately :P
12:26.00Baron2Oh, there is an advantage
12:26.10Baron2Aggro Magnets in Outlands can be useful.
12:26.25Baron2For farming
12:26.39Baron2I found an astonishing trick.
12:26.50Baron2(you need to be a mage for do this efficiently)
12:27.14Baron21)Go to any Azeroth city, and find an 30-40 low level.
12:27.30Baron22)Offer him to power level him for, say, one hour, for FREE
12:27.41Baron23)Port him to Shattrath
12:27.48Baron24)Leave Shattrath, go to the lake.
12:28.05Baron25)Look at your partner aggroing every eel in a huge range.
12:28.17Baron26)Farm primal at insane rates.
12:28.28Slagerthehe
12:29.01Baron2The respawn rate is insane in such circumstances
12:29.13Baron238 kills in four minutes, at one time.
12:29.20Baron22 primals in 10 minutes.
12:29.56Baron2Of course, it's better to inform frankly your partner of his role, which is basically to bait.
12:30.23Baron2(for an obvious reason, being a bait is not seen with excitation)
12:30.35Slagertnot gonna fly with my prot warrior or shadow priest I'm afraid ;)
12:30.58Baron2With an Frost Mage, this work very well.
12:31.08AdysOutland*
12:31.26Baron2The issue is to port the lowbie in Outland
12:32.09Baron2It's much easier to do with a Mage that with a lock. I imagine you could also pull him with a meeting stones, but survival up to a farming zone would be problematic
12:32.23Slagertmeeting stones have level reqs
12:32.39Baron2I think that to perform the main action
12:32.54Baron2If someone summon, I'm able to ''join'' the summoning back at a VC
12:32.55Slagertppl have been unable to summon me to lower instances
12:33.25Slagertnot sure about the other way round, but I'd expect it to be "target doesn't meet requirements" as well
12:34.12Baron2Ok.
12:34.17Baron2GTG, thanks for the advie
12:34.59Slagerthm, canadian. Should have joked abOOt that ;)
12:37.26Bibi`ouFStupid lore question inc.
12:37.32Bibi`ouFwho leads Zul'aman ?
12:38.10Bibi`ouFZul'jin or Jin'zakk ?
12:41.12Bibi`ouFk, i guess we don't know yet :p
12:42.46Kirkburn|afkSome news for Transformers fans - “The unreleased ad (Prime speaks) that was posted on youtube was a test that European were making with the ads. The clip where OP was “speaking,” lets just say that it wasn’t OP or Cullen speaking. It was something the European studios added on their own. In fact, it was a test shot.”
12:43.32Kirkburn|afk(sure, blame it on the "Europeans")
12:44.31Bibi`ouFanyway, i'm asking about zul'aman because the wiki says it's Jin'zakk
12:44.46Bibi`ouFbut according to the game files, there's a temple dedicated to Zul'jin , which potentially makes him the final boss
12:44.59Kirkburn|afkIt was changed to Jin'zakk again?
12:45.17Bibi`ouFwhat ? the wiki ?
12:45.17Kirkburn|afkAh
12:45.30Bibi`ouFthe wiki says Jin'zakk is the ruler of Zul'aman yes
12:45.36Kirkburn|afkLoC, specifically
12:45.54Kirkburn|afkUntil we have proper confirmation, we can only really go by what other sources give us
12:47.23Kirkburn|afkAlso, Lands of Conflict is not that old
12:47.23Kirkburn|afkIt might make sense to mention both, though
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12:47.40Kirkburn|afkBibi`ouF, ah, the thing I thought you were talking about is mentioned at the bottom here - http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Zul%27Aman
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12:59.44Bibi`ouFhttp://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=136.0
12:59.49Bibi`ouFhere you go, Zul'aman preview
13:00.15Bibi`ouFi'll probably be in jail before the end of may if i keep posting so many informations about unreleased content :/
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13:28.39winkillerlol
13:33.01Slagertfor the kitty lovers: http://www.xkcd.com/c231.html ;)
13:39.30AdysI think you need to show that to Kirkburn|afk
13:40.15Kirkburn|afkAlreayd saved to my desktop :P
13:40.21Adys^^
13:40.21Slagerthehe
13:40.38Adysbtw kittyburn
13:40.40AdysI mean, Kirkburn
13:40.52AdysIll look for the translation stuff in 20 mins
13:40.59Adysjust waiting for a friend to log off>>
13:41.07Slagertkittyburning barbecue season is open again ;)
13:41.17Kirkburn|afkThat's no problem Adys, no rush
13:41.20Adyssomeones gonna get kicked
13:41.26Adysinfobot, kick Slagert!
13:41.28infobotACTION kicks Slagert!
13:41.35Kirkburn|afkSilly people
13:41.41*** kick/#wowwiki [Adys!n=Kirkburn@82-32-40-219.cable.ubr06.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] by Kirkburn|afk (NO U)
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13:41.52Slagertewww autorejoin /frown
13:42.10Kirkburn|afkAdys and I are in great need of autojoin :P
13:42.17AdysYes sweety :D
13:42.19Slagertit would appear so :P
13:42.44Adysbah :<
13:42.48Adysdidnt work
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13:43.34AdysEh
13:43.41AdysMiranda is fucking up, badly
13:43.46Slagertlol
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13:44.17Slagertahwell, a banlist update a day, keeps the doctor away
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13:44.46AdysWhatever the f*, I just banned myself >>
13:45.01Adyswhen wanting to kirk Kick
13:45.05Adysor kick Kirk
13:45.20Kirkburn|afkaiee
13:45.27Slagerttry using a proper IRC client :P
13:45.33Slagertno, not mIRC ;)
13:45.36AdysMiranda is fine, l2jesus
13:45.44equiraptorhaha
13:45.44Adysyou can ask him about that^^
13:45.47Kirkburn|afkAdys, you're crazy
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13:46.06Kirkburn|afkAt least five times a day you shout "fucking Miranda!"
13:46.15equiraptorhaha
13:46.24equiraptorMy entertainment for the day... :)
13:46.29Kirkburn|afkAnd I say "No wonder you never get any work done!"
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13:47.11equiraptor<3 irssi
13:47.17Kirkburn|afkI never get any work done either, but that's cause I'm lazy, not because I'm obsessed with Miranda :P
13:47.22AdysSlagert: I need something that handles MSN and IRC at the same time
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13:47.42Slagertchatting up to 16yo pre-mix drinking girls again are we?
13:47.53AdysHow the fuck did you know? oO
13:48.01Slagertit's what I use MSN for :o
13:48.12Adysmy brother! <3
13:48.40equiraptorirssi + bitlbee...
13:50.02AdysI need a client that handles chatping highlighting, custom sounds, autorejoin, msn&irc at the same time, disconnects & auto reconnects, that doesnt crash like miranda and if it has the name of some random girl I dont want it to cheat on me by chosing Jesus or whatever
13:50.12Slagerthehe - we even have a word for the class of young lady described here in the Netherlands - "Breezersl*t", after the large quantities of Bacardi Pineapple they tend to consume. Or offer physical services for :x
13:51.50Tuqui-tuqui:o
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13:54.55abecxadys, gaim
13:55.10Adysis it free and decent ?
13:55.18abecxyes and yes
13:55.19Kitanhello all
13:55.33Adysdoes it have the name of some girl I could cheat infobot with?
13:55.51abecxI dont know what that means
13:55.51AdysAha!
13:55.56Adyslol dont worry
13:56.06AdysKitan: I updated WW:BR
13:56.12Adyssince you were asking for work
13:56.45KitanI saw that
13:56.51KitanI will try to take a look at it tonight or tomorrow
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13:57.03Kitanwork is a little busy today for once
13:59.39Hobinheimtrillian?
13:59.45Hobinheimadys, have you tried trillian?
14:01.00Slagerttrillian used to bork a bit with MSN
14:01.01abecxI was going to recommend that one next if gaim doesnt float your boat
14:01.08Slagertbut it's been some time since I used it
14:01.28abecxI like the noise it makes in trillian when you type lol
14:05.57Hobinheimgaim can go suck a duck
14:06.00Hobinheimthey need a UI guy fast
14:06.02Teomyri don't think IRC integrates well into general instant messengers
14:06.24Hobinheimwhy not? it's a chat room
14:07.11equiraptorIRC has a different standard or default from IM.
14:07.42Hobinheimuhh
14:08.00equiraptorIn IM, the private message is the "default" or normal or whatever thing, with chat rooms being something added that you're invited to. With IRC, you join the chat room, and private messages almost seem like an afterthought.
14:08.01Teomyryes, but there's more than just person-to-person chats most IMs are designed for. things like the server window and slashcommands are not common features in IMs
14:08.27equiraptorCertainly, you can do either private or group chat in both, but they handle it slightly differently and there are different expectations.
14:08.55equiraptorTeomyr: Lots of the IM clients that claim to do IRC as well have ways to handle that.
14:09.02Slagertbitlbee (spelling?) works rather okay for irrsi reportedly. I just use separate applications though
14:09.10equiraptorBut, as you use them, it's apparent those things are addons, not part of the original design intention.
14:09.49Teomyrequiraptor: exactly what i mean. i'd rather use a client dedicated to IRC which supports all features, and was designed for it
14:09.53equiraptorBitlbee has worked fine for me, but due to the different nature of IM, I find I prefer to use an IM client for it (I use GAIM for IM and irssi for IRC).
14:10.07Hobinheim:psyduck:
14:10.36Hobinheimi fucking hate ikea...
14:10.38Hobinheimidiots...
14:10.54Slagertwhat, they screwed you into buying bed "Benny"?
14:11.00Slagertor couch "Bjrn"?
14:11.04Hobinheimno, i assembled a Billy and hurt myself
14:11.09Hobinheimthen they shipped the wrong galant
14:11.23Hobinheimi wanted the OTHER Galant, know what i'm sayin
14:11.38Slagertsounds like swedish accuracy to me ;)
14:11.49Slagertah - friday afternoon drinks are up
14:11.51Slagertafk ~
14:12.34Kitanyou hurt yourself assembling the desk?  Too heavy?
14:12.46Hobinheimthe Billy is a bookshelf
14:12.47Kitangenerally the boxes are heavy and freaking unwieldy
14:12.50Hobinheimi was being wreckless
14:12.51Kitanoh
14:12.52Kitansorry
14:13.12Hobinheim:argh:
14:15.03Kirkburn|afkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXun6fUOdus
14:24.40AdysMiranda's way to handle it is a different window for chatrooms and pms
14:25.23Adysit works great tbh but
14:25.29Adysmiranda crashes quite often with wow
14:25.39Adysand it has a couple of flaws
14:26.14Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Lightning%27s_Blade_Clan
14:31.04Hobinheim|worktrillian
14:31.08Hobinheim|work~trillian
14:31.13infobotfrom memory, trillian is a multi-protocol IM client for Windows at http://www.trillian.cc or a character from the Hitch-hikers Guide to the Galaxy called Tricia Macmillan or an old name for the Linux-on-Itanium project
14:31.30Hobinheim|workholy christ
14:31.33Hobinheim|worknot him again
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14:32.23Hobinheim|worki'm thinking of a reason to block him
14:32.31Hobinheim|worksnarky comments in the edit summary
14:32.41Hobinheim|workbut his history isn't that dense :(
14:33.44BagginswwI know I know :p
14:34.21Hobinheim|workoh well. next time i guess
14:34.23BagginswwHe's reduced his "edit warring" recently
14:34.29Hobinheim|worknew policy: keep the drama out of the edit summary
14:34.40BagginswwLOL ya
14:35.05Hobinheim|workyou think it would be super uncharacteristic of blizzard if their announcement wasn't even starcraft related? or wasn't even a game?
14:35.16Hobinheim|worklike maybe a completely difference franchise to over take starcraft
14:35.26BagginswwLOL
14:35.42Bagginswwwell I bet part of announcement will be next expansion
14:35.44Hobinheim|workbut that would invalidate the starcraft franchise and that'd be a total waste of money
14:35.52Hobinheim|workalready? for wow you mena?
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14:35.59Tuqui-tuquiDinocraft
14:36.02Bagginswwif they are to compete with rest of the MMO market, and current new breed of MMO
14:36.04Tuqui-tuquia dino RTS
14:36.13Bagginswwwhich release expansions once a year :-p
14:36.18Hobinheim|workNorthern, the Icy Chronicles
14:36.25BagginswwLOL
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14:36.45Hobinheim|workWorld of Warcraft: Northrend is Cold
14:36.51BagginswwLOTRO is really really good
14:36.58Hobinheim|workit's out already?
14:37.00Bagginswwya
14:37.06Bagginswwsince the 25th
14:37.10Hobinheim|workdon't bring that non-wow malarky in here, haha
14:37.14Hobinheim|worki wonder if reviews are out
14:37.25Kitan|WorkI don't think Blizzard will release them once a year
14:37.25Hobinheim|workand especially don't bring chatter batter about those little lotro people
14:37.28Bagginswwprobably
14:37.29Kitan|Workthey are too freaking slow
14:37.32Hobinheim|workit gives me a false sense of importance
14:37.45Kitan|Workwhich works for them
14:37.59Bagginswwthe problem is they are already losing alot of their players to other games :p
14:38.23Hobinheim|workthey'll never lose me
14:38.26Hobinheim|worki just bought a CE
14:38.31Bagginswwthey won't lose me to LOTRO because of the lifetime deal I got, will help in the future.
14:38.34Hobinheim|workand, i'm trying to flush out my wardrobe to make room for jinx shirts
14:38.44Hobinheim|worklifetime deal?
14:38.58Bagginswwya LOTRO offered a lifetime deal to people who preordered
14:38.58Hobinheim|workyou got a friends of blizzard game card or something?
14:39.03Hobinheim|workoh
14:39.08Bagginswwso it saves me money
14:39.11Bagginswwin long term
14:39.17Bagginswwand I can play both
14:39.17Hobinheim|worki feel weird saying that
14:39.19Hobinheim|worklow troh
14:39.24Hobinheim|workloh troh loh troh
14:39.33Bagginswwwhat's loh troh?
14:39.42Bagginswwlol
14:39.47Hobinheim|voodoothat's what happens when you say it
14:39.49Hobinheim|voodoolotro
14:39.51Hobinheim|voodooloh troh
14:39.56BagginswwLOL
14:40.05Hobinheim|voodoolol only male dwarves
14:40.10Hobinheim|voodoowtf kind of descrimination is that
14:40.20Bagginswwwell actually its just "dwarfs"
14:40.23Hobinheim|voodooyou know what that calls for, hackers to force the game to load FEMALE-DWARF
14:40.25Hobinheim|voodoojust to see what happens
14:40.26Bagginswwin tolkien females have beards
14:40.43Bagginswwso dwarfs are androgynous LOL
14:40.46Hobinheim|voodoocuz if it's a matrix of sex-race, it just begs to be hacked
14:40.59Bagginswwthey did this for the RPers LOL
14:41.26Bagginswwactually all servers are rp servers LOL, they just seperate chat into OOC and RP chats
14:42.37Bagginswwbut ya game informer discussed 4 MMOs that may give WOW a run for its money
14:43.02BagginswwConan, Lord of the rings, Warhammer, and something else
14:43.09Bagginswwmaybe vanguard, not sure
14:43.32BagginswwI know of people in my guild that are thinking of leaving for Conan :p
14:43.41Tuqui-tuquiwhats this Conan thing I keep hearing about
14:43.49Tuqui-tuquiis that another MMO?
14:43.54abecxI will never leave WoW
14:44.01abecxto much time invested and its still fun
14:44.08Hobinheim|voodoough
14:44.09Hobinheim|voodoorp
14:44.15Hobinheim|voodoolet the nerd fest begin, amirite
14:44.19Bagginswwya another MMO tuqui
14:44.23abecxI role play sometimes
14:44.24BagginswwI'm not interested personally
14:44.26Tuqui-tuquisigh... another -.-
14:44.26Hobinheim|voodooburgler? wtf?
14:44.29Bagginswwconan isn't my thing
14:44.30Hobinheim|voodooi will name my human HAM
14:44.33Hobinheim|voodooget it, HAMBURGLER
14:44.35Tuqui-tuquithen we have the DC universe MMO
14:44.41Tuqui-tuquiand I think the Marvel Universe MMO too
14:44.53Hobinheim|voodoothose are weird classes
14:44.54Bagginswwburglar was famous class that Bilbo was hired for in the HObbit
14:44.56Hobinheim|voodoowho uses magic?
14:45.07Hobinheim|voodooi don't see the words wizard, warlock, mage, priest, cleric, or sorcerer anywhere on the page
14:45.12BagginswwHobinheim, LOL, Ham I love it
14:45.27Bagginswwthat's because they were rare in middle earth
14:45.36Hobinheim|voodoolet's see...
14:45.39Hobinheim|voodooburgler = rogue...
14:45.41Bagginswwthey are limited to high powerful beings like gandalf
14:45.48Bagginswwya burgler is basically a rogue
14:45.59Bagginswwthere is no straightforward mage dps class
14:46.10Bagginswwloremaster has the similar spells but its more like a bookish druid
14:46.16Bagginswwwithout the shapeshifting
14:46.20Bagginswwbut pet companions
14:46.21Hobinheim|voodoochampion = warrior
14:46.24Bagginswwclassic druid archtype
14:46.34Bagginswwchampion is more of a mage AOE
14:46.40Hobinheim|voodooguardian = another warroir?
14:46.46Bagginswwguardian is the true warrior
14:46.47Hobinheim|voodoois this supposed to be a like... solo game?
14:46.49Hobinheim|voodooor a group game?
14:47.01Hobinheim|voodoosorry i meant champion = pally, i typed that wrong
14:47.03Bagginswwchampion becomes a weak shieldless class if goes into AOE mode
14:47.09Hobinheim|voodooerr no wait that's wrong too
14:47.09Bagginswwits both hobinheim
14:47.12Hobinheim|voodoo:psyduck:
14:47.26Bagginswwthe mage long range dps is put into the "hunter"
14:47.29Bagginswwwhich is more of a "archer"
14:47.31Hobinheim|voodoohow do you know all of this alreayd? you played?
14:47.38Bagginswwya since beta
14:47.46BagginswwI preordered a long time ago
14:47.50Bagginswwthey gave me beta access
14:48.08BagginswwI've played a champion and a burglar and loremaster so far
14:48.22Bagginswwbtw each race has a deep storyline to follow
14:48.32Bagginswwapparently there are storylines for each class to follow too
14:48.32Hobinheim|voodoohow does it compare to wow?
14:48.38Bagginswwand every profession has its own storyline
14:48.58BagginswwWell sense of lore is much better controlled
14:49.03Hobinheim|voodoohah i want to be the most broken, useless class
14:49.06Bagginswwthere are linear storylines
14:49.09Hobinheim|voodooi'm going to say.... minstrel
14:49.13Bagginswwminstrel is the healer
14:49.17Bagginswwthat's the priest
14:49.31Bagginswwsee there isn't health in the game, its "morale
14:49.38Bagginswwminstrel keeps up the morale get it?
14:50.09Bagginswwso if you like Tolkien world's story, the game does a very good job of adding to it
14:50.19Bagginswwthe game follows a "chapter format"
14:50.34Bagginswwthese chapters influence the world's physically
14:50.37BagginswwNPCs will move on
14:50.43Bagginswwif you finishe certain tasks
14:50.51Bagginswwif they were supposed to move on
14:50.56Bagginswwaccording to the book
14:51.17Bagginswwnow PVP, that's limited to a battleground, ettenmoors
14:51.37Bagginswwplayers can access Monster Play from Fell pools
14:51.50Hobinheim|voodoowait what....
14:51.54Hobinheim|voodooare we all in the same world?
14:51.57Bagginswwwhich gives them a customizable level 50 monsters
14:51.59Hobinheim|voodooif an NPC moves on did i just miss out?
14:52.10Bagginswwit will only move on when you ocmplete the quests
14:52.19Hobinheim|voodoobut.... what about someone else
14:52.22Bagginswwinside of buildings are special instances
14:52.30Hobinheim|voodoooh....
14:52.31Bagginswwso instance you access changes
14:52.38Hobinheim|voodooso we're not in the same world
14:52.52Bagginswweveryone at your level will be in that same building
14:53.07Bagginswwbut later on yes you will be in a seperate world
14:53.13Bagginswwif you return to that building
14:53.41Hobinheim|voodoowhat building? i'm having a hard time following. i'm expecting everything to be wow-like unless specified otherwise
14:53.42Bagginswwwell actually its more of just a instanced room inside of an instance building LOL
14:54.11Bagginswwok let me give an example
14:54.11Hobinheim|voodoo:psyduck: ahhhhh
14:54.11BagginswwPrancing Pony in Bree
14:54.24Bagginswwwell in the book its the location where hobbits meet up with Strider/Aragorn
14:54.46Bagginswwwell in the game you play some periphery character caught up in the oncoming war of the ring
14:55.00Bagginswwyou can reach the prancing pony before the main hobbits do
14:55.09Bagginswwso you have a chance to do some quests for Strider
14:55.15Bagginswwhe's in his own instanced room
14:55.21Bagginswwinside of the inn
14:55.36Bagginswwbtw inn is pretty darn accurate to how it was described in the book heh
14:55.48Bagginswwwell ultimately as you do your quests for him
14:55.56Bagginswwthe other hobbits from the book will show up
14:56.08Bagginswwand he will ultimately leave with them
14:56.24Bagginswwfor you to meat up with them somewhere else in the world
14:56.37Bagginswwbut he will no longer reside in his room
14:56.52Bagginswwso it gives the world a sense of "progression"
14:57.11BagginswwIts not completley static, with respawns, as most MMOs are
14:57.18Hobinheim|voodooi got pinged three times
14:57.36Hobinheim|voodoobut in essence it's all instanced
14:57.37Bagginswwalthough it has its fair share of respawned enemies for the non important quests
14:57.40Hobinheim|voodoono one else is seeing you do this
14:57.51Bagginswwnot all if it instanced
14:58.29Bagginswwalthough main world is seperated into seperate zones, which load seperatel.
14:58.43Bagginswwbree and the shire share the same very large zone
14:58.53Bagginswwwhich btw is almost as large as continent in wow
14:58.58Bagginswwone continent
14:59.06Bagginswwfrom what I can tell
14:59.15Bagginswwso the game is pretty big
14:59.18Hobinheim|voodooi probably won't touch it, at all
14:59.21Hobinheim|voodooi just like to talk the talk
14:59.26Hobinheim|voodoolike have you ever played DnD?
14:59.31Hobinheim|voodoolike the board game
14:59.32Bagginswwwell ya you aren't a lotr fan
14:59.39Bagginswwnah
14:59.42Hobinheim|voodoomy roommates are like mega dorks
14:59.53Hobinheim|voodooso i like to listen in and talk the talk but i dunno if i can actually bring myself to play
15:00.05Hobinheim|voodoowow is kinda revolutionary in the regard that i haven't ever wanted to touch an mmo
15:00.09BagginswwI know very little of DnD except what I've gleaned from the warcraft RPG books, and original FF games
15:00.38Bagginswwwell ya Hobinheim I hate the concept of MMO really, well the monthly fee thing
15:00.49BagginswwI'm also not a fan of the grind
15:00.58BagginswwI play Wo
15:01.04BagginswwWoW more for the storie
15:01.06Bagginsww*s
15:01.23Bagginswwand because I like the universe.
15:01.38BagginswwI swore I would never play another MMO because of the stupid monthly charges
15:02.03BagginswwThe only reason I got into LOTR is because I'm a huge LOTR fan
15:02.15Kitan|Workthe monthly charges aren't that bad if you consider that to go to a movie you spend nearly as much
15:02.16Bagginswwwanted to explore the world so to speak LOL
15:02.20Bagginswwand get more story
15:02.33Kitan|Workmy wife and I play wow... we spend $20-25 easy goign to a movie
15:02.36BagginswwI can't afford to go to the movie that much :p
15:02.50Bagginswwcollege makes these things difficult :p
15:02.51Kitan|Workway more entertainment time/money ratio
15:02.54Kitan|Workheh
15:02.58Kitan|WorkI am in college too!
15:03.03Kitan|Workbut I know what you mean
15:03.07Hobinheim|voodoozomg Kitan|Work how old are you
15:03.11Kitan|WorkI am only psuedo college
15:03.12Bagginswwits going to be worse next fall
15:03.19Hobinheim|voodoosaying the word college threw in another zomg
15:03.22Kitan|WorkI am 31 Hob, 32 next week
15:03.35Bagginswwwhen I transfer out of the junior college into a university
15:03.39Kitan|WorkI have two children, married, and am a software engineer for a medical systems company
15:03.48Hobinheim|voodoonice what's your weapon
15:04.04Kitan|Workwe use lots of languages here
15:04.08Kitan|Workactually
15:04.14Kitan|Workbut I use c# quite a bit
15:04.31BagginswwIt helps that LOTR online and lifetime membership was a gift :p
15:04.34Kitan|WorkI wrote kitanbot for some reason as a test bed for dynamically loading an assembly like we want to
15:04.42Bagginswwcause I wouldn't have been able to afford it myself :p
15:04.45Kitan|Workyeah that is awesome baggins
15:05.12Kitan|Workalso, my wife spends *way* less money playing wow than if she were out shopping
15:06.20Hobinheim|voodooi just stick to perl
15:06.29Hobinheim|voodoounfortunatley i might have to learn java or php to match the market place
15:06.29Bagginswwanycase one thing I can't wait for is LOTR is going to add mounted combat once the storyline reaches Rohan heh
15:06.35Hobinheim|voodoobut what i really want to do is something absurd like lisp
15:06.39Bagginswwfighting on horseback heh
15:06.49Kitan|Workyeah.. staying current is fairly key
15:06.58Kitan|WorkI haven't done much lisp though I have read about it
15:07.13Kitan|Workapparently the AI class at the university here uses it
15:07.25Hobinheim|voodooit's fancy or something
15:07.26Kitan|WorkI use PERL quite a bit here
15:07.44Kitan|Workwhen customizing a product we use
15:09.40Hobinheim|voodooPerl.
15:10.12Bagginswwone thing I like in LOTR that blizzard should emulate, is the fact you don't really have to kill 30-50 enemies to complete a quest.
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15:10.21Bagginswwmost quests are 6-9 enemies total
15:10.43Bagginswwyou can grind 30-50 if you want, but that will coplete a "deed" and earn you a trait, or title
15:11.05Bagginswwtrait is special stat you can add to your character through a bard
15:11.13Bagginswwalmost like talent points in a way
15:11.38Bagginswwtitle system is for fun. There are hundreds of titles to earn LOL
15:11.45Hobinheim|voodooi'm confused about blizzard...
15:11.51Hobinheim|voodoothey say they try stuff in house
15:12.06Hobinheim|voodoobut why, does it seem, that their expectations are different from the internet's?
15:12.14Bagginswwtrue
15:12.20Hobinheim|voodoowe have to assume they've completed naxx
15:12.27Hobinheim|voodoowhen it came out
15:12.32Bagginswwya
15:12.32Hobinheim|voodoowith a varied party with varied armor
15:12.38Hobinheim|voodooor wahtever scenario
15:12.41Hobinheim|voodooi'm just pulling out examples
15:12.53Hobinheim|voodoowhy do things have to be retuned?
15:12.59Bagginswwbig problem is they never balance things right, more they tweak one character, the more they unbalance others ;P
15:13.05Hobinheim|voodooeither players are complaining way too much or blizzard's test cases aren't realistic enough
15:13.23Hobinheim|voodooblizzard gave an example of doing a baron run with three palies and two rogues
15:13.46Bagginswwweird
15:13.50Hobinheim|voodooi dunno, something just feels wrong. or suspicious. or incomplete
15:14.07Hobinheim|voodoolike there has to be an alpha crew at blizzard that has already done black temple or whatever
15:14.19Hobinheim|voodooand they have to take a sympathetic view of not all players know the instnace
15:14.29Hobinheim|voodooand have to be given realistic, non-cutting edge gear
15:14.38Bagginswwyou ever notice that instances start out madly and insanely hard?
15:14.49Bagginswwand then they make them easier in later patches?
15:14.50Hobinheim|voodooi've never done cutting edge end game so i wouldn't know
15:14.59Hobinheim|voodoobut it's like what the hell...
15:15.04Bagginswwwell just keep track of patch notes heh
15:15.06Hobinheim|voodooi dunno it's just a theory i've had
15:16.54Hobinheim|voodooBagginsww, what class are you?
15:16.59Hobinheim|voodooor are there any mages present
15:17.02BagginswwI'm a mage
15:17.09Bagginswwgnome mage
15:17.14Bagginswwfire currently :p
15:17.23sancusfags
15:17.24BagginswwLove ice more though
15:17.27Hobinheim|voodooperfect. what armor do you have. mage, molten, frost, and ice, right?
15:17.33Bagginswwya
15:17.38Hobinheim|voodoosancus, who you callin' a fag?
15:17.55sancusyou
15:17.57Bagginswwmage armor is my favorite though
15:18.36sancus:P
15:18.36Bagginswwbest mana maintainance
15:18.36Hobinheim|voodoofrom my limited understanding of everything, mage armor would be for raid bosses/strictly long term dps role?
15:18.38sancusalso for farming!
15:18.57Bagginswwya it really helps there
15:19.00sancus(if you can't aoe)
15:19.02Bagginswwfor both of those things
15:19.10Hobinheim|voodooso... what other situations are there that are not farming and not raid bossing?
15:19.13Hobinheim|voodoopvp = molten?
15:19.19Bagginswwya
15:19.24Hobinheim|voodooleaving frost as...?
15:19.27sancuspvp = ice if you're ice, and molten if you have impact maybe
15:19.41BagginswwI haven't used frost in a long time
15:19.51Bagginswwit slows enemies that get too close?
15:19.58Bagginswwwhy would I want them to get close?
15:20.00sancusslow movement and attack speed
15:20.07Hobinheim|voodoohah you forgot
15:20.12sancusum, you don't, but they will get close whether you want them to or not
15:20.20Hobinheim|voodoosorry frost is the low one
15:20.21Bagginswwnot if you are an ice mage
15:20.26sancusyes
15:20.28sancuseven if you are an ice mage
15:20.31Hobinheim|voodooice is the high one
15:20.32sancusit will happen trust me :P
15:20.42BagginswwNah I use blink and frost nova
15:20.45Bagginswwthey barely get close
15:20.53Bagginswwrather have the mana pool
15:20.58Bagginswwkite them around
15:21.00Hobinheim|voodooice seems to be if you're up against other ice guys or melee
15:21.00sancusboth melee classes have counters toboth of those things
15:21.12Bagginswwwell hob ice is basically the upgrade to frost
15:21.20Bagginswwessentially the same armors
15:21.59sancuscompetent warriors/rogues are not going to really have that much trouble getting in melee range for at least short periods of time, and ice armor helps you get them off you
15:22.12sancusand you uh.. pretty much don't need 3% extra crit if you're ice spec
15:22.14Bagginswwsure in PVP I understand
15:22.26Bagginswwa player will try to get out of your line of site
15:22.34Hobinheim|voodooi don't understand why blizzard made weak and strong versions of armor spells for mages and warlocks
15:22.35Bagginswwa NPC mob won't :p
15:22.40Hobinheim|voodoosee also demon skin and demon armor
15:22.44sancussorry what
15:22.51sancusdidn't we just go over that mage armor is for farming? :p
15:22.52Hobinheim|voodoomaybe... spells that scale can't accept new mechanics?
15:22.56Hobinheim|voodoothat just sounds ghetto though
15:23.29sancusthe only time I would use ice or molten armor against NPCs is if I was aoeing
15:23.43sancusor maybe trying to solo an elite
15:23.51Bagginswwaoe going to kill the mana pool anyways
15:24.01Bagginswwmight as well get crits out of it
15:24.07Bagginswwor slow them down
15:24.13Hobinheim|voodoohttp://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Mage_Armors
15:24.16Hobinheim|voodoovoila!
15:25.02BagginswwI'd like to see an armor that can keep enemies from getting close like a force field LOL
15:25.15Bagginswwso that they can't break your concentration
15:25.35Hobinheim|voodooa wall-inducing spell?
15:25.36Bagginswwbut they could still use projectiles
15:25.42Hobinheim|voodooDalaran Bubble
15:25.50Bagginswwheh
15:26.11Bagginswwwell basically just to keep meelee mobs at bay
15:26.27Bagginswwlol
15:26.36Bagginswwbut it should have a limited use
15:26.54Bagginswwlike only last 12 seconds but used every 30
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15:27.29Bagginswwfrost barrier is closest thing I suppose
15:27.35Bagginsww*Ice barrier
15:28.03Bagginswwalthough melee can still get close
15:28.09Hobinheim|voodoowe should probably do a better job of standardizing spell ranks..
15:28.22BagginswwI hate tables, ugly things
15:28.32Hobinheim|voodooit's because tables are like... row-esque
15:28.43Hobinheim|voodooand then templates need a top and a bottom...
15:28.45Hobinheim|voodoough it's message
15:28.47Hobinheim|voodoo*messy
15:28.58Bagginswwwell I gotta go, get ready for graduation
15:29.01Hobinheim|voodoo?
15:29.04Hobinheim|voodoocongratulatoins?
15:29.06Bagginswwthanks
15:29.34Hobinheim|voodoo(not really, i'm at work, haha)
15:29.34BagginswwLOL
15:29.34Hobinheim|voodoothere i clapped for you
15:29.34Bagginswwheh
15:29.34Hobinheim|voodoogolf clap at my desk
15:29.37Bagginswwlol
15:29.58Bagginswwwell its only junior college graduation, but I get to wear alot of honor gear, LOL
15:30.34sancusbaggins wants to play a pally
15:30.37BagginswwI belonged to both honor socities at the school, and also kept my grades above a 3.5 so I can wear the honor cord too.
15:30.48Bagginswwbubble mage ftw
15:30.51Bagginswwlol
15:30.55Hobinheim|voodoohonor gear eh?
15:31.18Bagginswwlike sashes, medallions, special cords
15:31.20Kirkburn|afkAwwwwwwwww: http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/2007/04/beyond_tietie.html
15:31.22Bagginswwspecial tassel
15:31.32Bagginswwlapel pins
15:32.48Hobinheim|voodooaww
15:32.53Hobinheim|voodoothat's so CUTE
15:33.48Bagginswwbasically I earned the right to wear, 2 types of sashes, 3 types of cordes, 2 types of medallion (officer and  club medallion), an extra tassel, and 2 "lifetime membership" pins. In most caseds if I said 2 different without specifying its from two different honor clubs.s
15:34.06Hobinheim|voodoowow who's a dork?
15:34.11BagginswwLOL
15:34.11Hobinheim|voodoowhat school is this?
15:34.18BagginswwModestoy Junior College
15:34.24Hobinheim|voodoojunior?
15:34.31Bagginswwthe clubs are Alpha Gamma Sigma, and Phi Theta Kappa
15:34.38Bagginswwits 2 year community college
15:34.45Hobinheim|voodoobooyah CA
15:34.53Bagginswwin other words cheap way to get credits
15:35.21Bagginswwbut ya I joined the honor socities because it looked good on transcripts, for when I transfer.
15:35.34Hobinheim|voodooif fire and frost and arcane and nature are schools of damage...
15:35.37Hobinheim|voodoowhat is....
15:35.37BagginswwIt has helped me earn a few scholarships
15:35.41Hobinheim|voodooshadow holy and discipline?
15:35.46Hobinheim|voodootalent... trees?
15:35.51BagginswwLOL
15:35.58BagginswwThe greek letters I mentioned above :p
15:36.01Hobinheim|voodoodo we have a spell ranks template already?
15:36.13Hobinheim|voodooyou know what helps you in real life....
15:36.14Bagginswwanycase, ttyl
15:36.20Hobinheim|voodoooh later
15:37.13Hobinheim|voodooKirkburn|afk, spell ranks templates?
15:38.55Kirkburn|afkNot that I know of
15:39.02Kirkburn|afkBtw, this is even cuter! http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/2007/04/im_going_back_t.html
15:41.25Hobinheim|voodoowow the internet is a terrible, terrible thing
15:41.29Hobinheim|voodoo:3:
15:41.35Hobinheim|voodoo(it's a kitty face)
15:43.47Hobinheim|voodooi will go on a spell ranks rampage
15:43.50Hobinheim|voodoojust letting you know
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16:05.26Hobinheim|voodooi want to revert icon
16:05.33Hobinheim|voodooback to the no-file ext version
16:05.51Hobinheim|voodoothe only icons we should be using are blizzard sanctioned ones...
16:07.36Hobinheim|voodoothis project will most certainly bring down the wiki...
16:08.45Hobinheim|voodoogod tooltip is so ugly
16:08.46Hobinheim|voodoofuck
16:09.04Hobinheim|voodooso angry...
16:10.53Adysdoo doo dee doo
16:10.58Adysentertain me!
16:11.16Adysinfobot, obey
16:11.24infobotyes master
16:11.36Adysi should call him infoboy
16:11.43Adysor actually infogirl
16:11.56Adysor maybe just gurl
16:12.11Adyshey, that rhymes with purl
16:13.28Hobinheim|voodoookay i'm going to edit icon really, really soon
16:13.37Hobinheim|voodooand that will undo all the half work we put into restoring the icons
16:13.43Hobinheim|voodoothen... i'll make another bot to clean up the mess
16:13.48Hobinheim|voodooso.... just letting you know
16:13.50AdysDont please
16:13.53Adysfirst do the change
16:13.56Adysthen edit icon
16:14.11Hobinheim|voodoobut it just changes the order we will be breaking the template
16:14.17Hobinheim|voodootechnically there is a ninja way to do this
16:14.23Hobinheim|voodoothat would not break anything, at all, ever
16:14.32Hobinheim|voodooerr wait
16:14.33Hobinheim|voodoohmm
16:14.34Adysleave it as it is and DELETE ALL ITEM PAGES
16:14.40Adysthat would work
16:14.40Hobinheim|voodooHAH
16:14.43Hobinheim|voodoovery funny
16:14.50Gryphengod
16:14.53Hobinheim|voodoolemme simmer on it a little more
16:14.55Hobinheim|voodoobut uhh
16:14.57Hobinheim|voodoothat's today's plan
16:14.58Adyshttp://www.wowwiki.com/WW:BR
16:15.03AdysParse Category:Stubs/Item and make an external list of links to nearly empty stubs (ie less than ~100 characters total on the page).
16:15.12Adysthe articles linked up will be deleted
16:17.54Hobinheim|voodoowhatever. here we go
16:20.12Hobinheim|voodoosaving...
16:20.16Hobinheim|voodoodone
16:20.17Hobinheim|voodoohmm
16:20.41Hobinheim|voodoojob cue at 5000
16:21.11Hobinheim|voodoook writing a bot
16:22.20Adyshttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=98662115&sid=1&pageNo=1 LOL
16:22.27Adysawesome
16:23.19Hobinheim|voodooi don't get it
16:23.20Hobinheim|voodoowhat's so funny
16:25.00Hobinheim|voodoon/m
16:30.56TecnoBratI dont get it :P
16:33.06Devilkoulsame
16:33.20Devilkouli get it, but not like "HAHAHA" get it
16:33.24Devilkoul:P
16:34.27Devilkouloh page 2 is betta
16:35.05Hobinheim|voodoohmm
16:35.12Hobinheim|voodoojob queue bumped to 10,000
16:35.20TecnoBratYOU BROKE IT!
16:35.23Gryphenwhat did you expect?
16:35.44Hobinheim|voodooyeah after i edited icon twice ^_^;
16:35.57Hobinheim|voodoooh well bot looks good
16:36.28Hobinheim|voodoooh crap
16:36.34Hobinheim|voodoothis is not a template replacement project
16:36.37Hobinheim|voodoogrr...
16:36.40Hobinheim|voodooharder for the bot to do work
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16:40.12Hobinheim|voodoohey you know what's cool about this job queue thing
16:40.25Hobinheim|voodoonone of the pages really broke as a result of upgrading the template
16:40.30Hobinheim|voodooso... that's kinda cool
16:41.22Hobinheim|voodoowho's on cat team?
16:41.29Hobinheim|voodooi've already had beef that categories are capitalized...
16:47.22winkillercat team? meow!
16:51.59TecnoBrathahahahaha .... this dude quit the game .. made a post about this female member of our guild .. its pretty LOL
16:52.19equiraptorYay, drama! :/
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16:55.23TecnoBrathttp://blah.pastey.net/18203
16:55.30TecnoBratThis dude was useless to begin with
16:55.40TecnoBratand he deleted his post before anyone could read it
16:57.31equiraptorSheesh.
16:59.27sancuslulz
17:08.33Devilkoulrofl
17:09.00Devilkoulwe have a sctrict no fat whore policy
17:09.04Devilkoulstrict*
17:11.58sancusit's ok if you're fat then
17:11.58sancusas long as you're not a whore
17:19.53Hobinheim|voodoopasties...?
17:21.38Hobinheim|voodooso... TecnoBrat, who's right? the leaver or the chick?
17:21.38Hobinheim|voodoooh you said  he's useless :(
17:21.42TecnoBratoh hes useless, and shes a whore .. lol
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17:21.55Hobinheim|voodoogive 'em the old goon kick in the beeeehind
17:22.10Hobinheim|voodoounless your guild is pro-whore
17:22.18Hobinheim|voodoothen i ammend my previous statement
17:22.24TecnoBratnot particularly
17:22.45TecnoBratbut her whoring does come in handy when our guild needs something from one of the other guilds
17:22.53Hobinheim|voodoo""fag hacker im reporting you to my friend that works at blizzard hes gonna pwn your cd key gg hacker" hahaha I didn't realize people still actually talked like this"
17:23.18Hobinheim|voodoooh internet, you're so good to us!
17:33.41Kitan|Workwow
17:33.41Kitan|Workthat guy had an issue
17:34.13TecnoBratwhich guy? lol
17:34.13TecnoBratthe pastey or what Hob quoted
17:34.13Kitan|Workthe one you put the link up
17:34.13Kitan|Workboth
17:34.35Hobinheim|voodooit's the kind languag ethat spews out from a WC3 match gone sour
17:34.42TecnoBratlol
17:36.15Hobinheim|voodooanybody play wc3 or remember playing it resonably well?
17:36.34equiraptorIt's the kind of language that spews from excessively old children.
17:36.40TecnoBratbeen a while
17:36.42Hobinheim|voodoono, see...
17:36.50Hobinheim|voodooi don't think there are any children on the internet
17:36.57Hobinheim|voodooi think it's adults doing it sarcastically
17:37.10Hobinheim|voodooand it's a never ending cycle of perpetuating immaturity
17:37.16equiraptorNote the excessively old.
17:37.17Kirkburn|afkI played WC3, but I don't think I ever remember playing it well :/
17:37.32Hobinheim|voodoooh =(
17:37.45equiraptor:)
17:37.49Hobinheim|voodooi think i played ok. but i loved RT. people usually don't take RT'ers seriously
17:37.50BagginswwI hate the timer levels...
17:38.10Kitan|WorkI like penny arcade's theory.  Internet + anonimity = Jacksauce
17:38.29Bagginswwwhere they send waves of enemy forces at you, while you can only build so many, in so little time
17:38.35equiraptorIt works in cars, too.
17:39.00equiraptorPeople feel anonymous in their cars, so they act like assholes, not realizing that there are people like me who never forget a car. ;)
17:39.06equiraptorI may forget a face, but I never forget a car.
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17:43.29Leise22yo
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17:47.52Hobinheim|voodooyes, penny arcade nailed the internet
17:48.10Hobinheim|voodoonever forget a car? that's creepy
17:48.15Hobinheim|voodooi hope you mean just readingt the license plate
17:48.33Hobinheim|voodoo"i never forget a car. her curves... her sound. her smell. *sniff*"
17:48.38TecnoBratThis is a classic, old, but classic http://www.somethingawful.com/d/art-of-warcraft/primer-on-social.php?page=1
17:49.03equiraptorHobinheim|voodoo: No , I mean the car.
17:49.20equiraptorI remember make, model, color, scratches, pin stripes...
17:49.45Hobinheim|voodooman you actually read something awful?
17:49.55equiraptorLine up a row of '84 Camrys of the same color and options and I'll pick out my parents' in seconds.
17:50.00Hobinheim|voodoosee that's the thing about some goons... we never actually read www
17:50.09Hobinheim|voodooaren't you a girl?
17:50.31equiraptorYes. Yes I am.
17:50.47equiraptorI'm a girl who drives "better" than her boyfriend (better as measured on a track).
17:51.21equiraptorI have female organs, but I'm very much not typical female in very many ways.
17:51.22Hobinheim|voodooshe knows how to handle a stick, amirite HOO!!!!
17:51.35equiraptorWanna watch?
17:51.37Hobinheim|voodoowait but you have a boyfriend
17:51.38equiraptorI even have a spare stick.
17:51.45Hobinheim|voodooso you didn't go into that realm of queerdom
17:51.52Hobinheim|voodoopeople that konw stuff = awesome
17:52.00Hobinheim|voodooso it's cool that you know stuff
17:52.05equiraptorhaha :)
17:52.13Hobinheim|voodooeven though stereotypically girls don't usually know that kinda stuff
17:52.20Hobinheim|voodooi think intelligence is the most attractive part of a person
17:52.25Hobinheim|voodooi mean besides all the obvious parts
17:52.30equiraptorhaha
17:52.32equiraptorYou're a nut.
17:52.32sancus...
17:52.33Hobinheim|voodoowhen someone knows a LOT about something and impresses me, i'm sold
17:52.43equiraptorBut, yeah, I'm more attracted to brains than body.
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17:53.29equiraptorEeeep!
17:53.42Hobinheim|voodooLOL
17:53.44Hobinheim|voodoomy chest hurts
17:53.47Hobinheim|voodooTB.COM NUB
17:53.47Hobinheim|voodooLOL
17:53.48equiraptorUh oh.
17:54.00Kitan|Workwow.. this conversation changed
17:54.01Hobinheim|voodooahhh... so that's why people read www, haha
17:54.13Hobinheim|voodoosorry go back to the link that tecno posted
17:54.15Hobinheim|voodoohttp://www.somethingawful.com/d/art-of-warcraft/primer-on-social.php?page=2
17:55.29Hobinheim|voodoolol learn to nova
17:55.34TecnoBratlol
17:55.36Hobinheim|voodoohow does frost nova require skill ??
17:55.42Hobinheim|voodooisn't it point blank aoe?
17:55.49Hobinheim|voodooup in the grill; cast; run?
17:56.00TecnoBratits hard
17:56.09Hobinheim|voodooactually i am dumb. i've casted it with no one near me (shhh)
17:56.18TecnoBratfirst, you gotta be up in the grill
17:56.21TecnoBratsee thats not easy
17:56.27TecnoBratthen 2nd, you gotta press a button
17:56.36TecnoBratthat requires motor skills and energy
17:56.45TecnoBratThen you gotta press MORE buttons
17:57.06Hobinheim|voodoowait so....
17:57.12Hobinheim|voodoois nova an oh shit skill?
17:57.18Hobinheim|voodooor an active cc skill?
17:57.29Hobinheim|voodoolike the mage closes the gap on purpose to cc them?
17:57.35TecnoBratits oh shit, nova, and THEN skill .. I think
17:57.39Hobinheim|voodoosort of like a ... slingshot?
17:57.52Kitan|Workwow... I just got blocked on something awful
17:58.08Hobinheim|voodooit's an awful site
17:58.12TecnoBrat"blocked"?
17:58.17sancusyou mean banned?
17:58.22ThraeKitan|Work: That's what you get for complementing someone, you sensitive bastard.
17:58.30TecnoBratthere is something really awful about that site
17:58.52Kitan|WorkThrae what are you talking about?
17:58.58sancusif you got banned on SA, you prob deserved it :p
17:59.40ThraeKitan|Work: You'd have to do some seriously, seriously disturbed shit to get blocked...or just piss off a corrupt admin
17:59.41Hobinheim|voodoono i think he means viewing the site is blocked at work
17:59.53Hobinheim|voodoobut sancus is also correct, if you got banned, you probably deserved it
17:59.55ThraeMost of Something Awful is already very disturbed :D
18:00.11Hobinheim|voodooi made a joke about brownies (i am brown) and got banned. racial humor on the internet = not always the best idea
18:00.21TecnoBratif SA was blocked at my work ....
18:00.33TecnoBratthe sysadmins would have to stop linking me to SA pages
18:00.44TecnoBratso that wont happen
18:00.53Hobinheim|voodoohah
18:01.00Hobinheim|voodooare the admins goons or do they just read www?
18:01.16Hobinheim|voodooi've not read a lick of www until you linked me just now
18:01.28TecnoBratthey read random stuff
18:01.38TecnoBratbut WWW is good, hasnt been updated in ages
18:01.41Kitan|Workahh
18:01.48Kitan|WorkThrae, work blocked me from going to somethingawful
18:01.56Kitan|Worknot somethingawful blocked m
18:01.58ThraeKitan|Work: Ahhhh
18:02.03Kitan|Workthe proxy server thought it was a no no
18:02.13TecnoBratKitan|Work, its definately .. uhh ... colorful
18:02.21TecnoBratI dont know if you have ever been to SA before
18:02.33Kitan|Workno I haven't
18:02.39Kitan|WorkI take it it isn't safe for work so much
18:03.03TecnoBrathahahaha, so the pastey I posted .. the guy replaced his post with "I like the cock what more can I say?"
18:03.20Hobinheim|voodoohah aww
18:03.21TecnoBratThen the girl he slammed, replied with ...
18:03.22TecnoBratWait that's a goodbye post? I thought he was coming out of the woods about being gay.
18:03.22TecnoBratBest of luck in the real world Pink! I'll always remember when you joined the guild pretending to be female O.o
18:04.26TecnoBratman .. no one else is gonna understand that in our guild except me
18:04.33TecnoBratcause no one saw the original post
18:05.25Hobinheim|voodooso repost it
18:05.27Hobinheim|voodooor admin it in
18:05.30Hobinheim|voodooor kick them both
18:05.33Hobinheim|voodooGOONACRACY!!!
18:05.43TecnoBratlol
18:05.50TecnoBratHob, what have you drank todya
18:05.51TecnoBrat?
18:08.12Hobinheim|voodooevery day.... someone does something stupid that reinforces my newest belief that the goon way is the only way to go
18:08.29Hobinheim|voodoodumb people are like an epidemic. far worst than that of obesity in america
18:09.00Hobinheim|voodoodumb people rob you of your time, resources, intelligence, and insanity
18:09.00Gryphenthey all flock to SA too
18:09.13Hobinheim|voodoo:argh: GRYPHEN!!!
18:09.18Gryphenhttp://www.servantsofseagis.org/wiki/Epic_Flight_Form_Quest
18:09.25Hobinheim|voodooSA is the home of NOT dumb people
18:09.37Grypheni hate sa
18:09.40Grypheni think they are dumb
18:09.41Gryphenhah
18:09.51Hobinheim|voodoo....
18:10.06Hobinheim|voodoolines have been drawn, sir
18:11.33equiraptorI hate haters.
18:11.54Gryphen*equiraptor implodes*
18:12.00equiraptor:D
18:12.28TecnoBratI hate Hobinheim|voodoo!
18:12.38TecnoBratI'm just joining the hatetrain
18:12.53TecnoBratGryphen, OWWWWWW
18:12.54equiraptor/train
18:12.58TecnoBratthat blue hurts the eyes
18:13.07Gryphendont blame me, not my site
18:15.37TecnoBratWe did MC last night
18:15.40TecnoBratkilled Garr
18:15.45TecnoBratgot a 2nd TF binding
18:16.00TecnoBratthen cleared MC, killed rag with 18 people in under 2 mins
18:17.17TecnoBratShazzrah blinked once
18:17.36TecnoBratWe didnt use any tanks for Major domo
18:17.42TecnoBratwe just zerged them all
18:17.55TecnoBratit was fun
18:25.04Slagerthehehe wouldnt mind doing a fullblown MC run really =))
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18:34.34TecnoBratit was fun
18:34.38TecnoBratmages can tank trash
18:34.59TecnoBratwe aoe'd down garr's adds
18:35.46TecnoBratwe zerged Mag, that was funny actually
18:35.59TecnoBratwe had 3/4 of our raid standing in his fire breath
18:36.37TecnoBratwe had a mage on each of Golemag's adds, the goal was to see which mage could take the dog down to 50% the most
18:36.46Slagerthehe
18:37.03Devilkoulhah
18:37.07TecnoBratand the raid's goal was to try to kill golemagg before they could do it once
18:37.11Slagertsulf's adds aoe'able as well?
18:37.27TecnoBratactually, not really, their heals are still retarded
18:37.30Slagerthehe
18:37.38Slagertso they buffed that a little too well ;)
18:38.19TecnoBratwe had someone die on luci
18:38.33Devilkoulhah
18:38.33TecnoBratwarrior got MC'd, hit all of his cooldowns, and owned a mage
18:38.43Devilkoullmao
18:38.46Devilkoulgood time
18:38.46TecnoBratI laughed really hard
18:38.47Devilkouls
18:39.24TecnoBratrag was funny ... our shadow priest main healed the tank in shadow form :/
18:40.25Devilkoulshould kill c'thun to get tenticals
18:40.45Devilkoultentacles*
18:40.55TecnoBrathmmm the adds are probably 62 in C'Thun
18:40.57TecnoBratso that would be simple
18:41.11TecnoBratunless they are part of him .. I'm not sure how that works
18:41.14TecnoBratnever checked
18:41.51TecnoBratbut the fact that all members would have like 10k hp, would make that fight easy mode
18:42.24TecnoBratI actually wanna do Naxx
18:43.39Devilkoulnaxx is good times at 70
18:44.12TecnoBratI'm gonna try to get a raid together this weekend
18:49.17Bibi`ouFHey !
18:49.19Bibi`ouFPHUN ! http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=137.0
18:49.22Bibi`ouFlegendary weapah !
18:50.10TecnoBratBibi`ouF, do each member of the raid get one?
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18:51.16Sky2042ok, anyone know where http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Bcarticle came from?
18:51.21*** mode/#wowwiki [+v Sky2042] by ChanServ
18:52.07GryphenWhat links here
18:52.27Sky2042adys made it...
18:52.34Sky2042i like that over our banner
18:52.35Sky2042>.>
18:53.59TecnoBratI agree
18:54.09TecnoBratI'm not a fan of big blocks
18:54.37TecnoBratFrom WoWWiki
18:54.37TecnoBratJump to: navigation, search
18:54.37TecnoBratThis article is about Burning Crusade content
18:54.40TecnoBratshit
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18:55.38TecnoBratI think the text "This article concerns content exclusive to The Burning Crusade." is better tho
18:56.26Sky2042true
18:56.51TecnoBratI think the exclusivity is important.... but I could be wrong :)
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18:57.07TecnoBratbbl, I'm going for lunch :)
18:57.57Devilkoullate
18:59.06Devilkoulcant wait till someone bugs teh legendary's and is running around in arenas with those
18:59.42Devilkoulcock teases
18:59.59SkosirisSky
19:00.36SkosirisI think you wanted to speak with me?
19:00.47Sky2042oh yeah
19:00.53Sky2042you can't weight the items like alla does
19:00.54Sky2042:(
19:01.01Sky2042like alla can*
19:19.03Hobinheim|workweight?
19:21.27AdysRight.
19:21.42AdysHow do I cool up a graphic card, on a friday night, without any shop open under the hand?
19:21.51AdysCore temperature is up to 85 now
19:22.04Adysand keeps going up
19:22.39Hobinheim|workwhat?
19:22.55Hobinheim|workyou lost me at "under the hand" ?
19:23.03AdysAny shop open :)
19:23.10Adysavailable
19:23.22Hobinheim|workuhh stop using it?
19:23.27Hobinheim|workopen up your case?
19:23.35AdysIts opened and theres an external fan running
19:24.39Adysthats with wow turned on ofc
19:24.54Adysthough its about 10 diff with wow turned off
19:25.48Hobinheim|workso it's not normally like that?
19:25.52Hobinheim|workkeep going until it fries =)
19:26.07AdysI think its gone up recently
19:26.09AdysI dont know wh
19:26.10Adyswhy*
19:28.15Hobinheim|workbecause you're french :ssh:
19:28.16Hobinheim|workjk
19:29.05Sky2042ouch
19:29.12Sky2042now that. that was unnecessary
19:30.55Hobinheim|workplease, americans have no redeeming qualities other than being obnoxious
19:30.56Hobinheim|workit's fun to be culturally aware
19:30.56Sky2042lol
19:30.56Hobinheim|workoh and we get burning crusade before the slanty eyed ones do
19:31.05Sky2042lol@racistcomments
19:31.10Sky2042:P
19:33.02Hobinheim|workthis goon thread on warcraft three makes me want to reinstall...
19:34.05Sky2042link itttttt
19:34.17Hobinheim|workgotta be a goon to read it
19:34.24Sky2042:o
19:34.27Hobinheim|workthey're just talking strategy and what not
19:34.29Hobinheim|workstandard affair
19:34.34Sky2042and?
19:34.40Sky2042o
19:34.51Hobinheim|worki haven't seen a lot of internet enthusiasm about warcraft three in a long time
19:35.57Sky2042prolly cuz bliz stopped really tinkering with it
19:36.45Hobinheim|worksomehow i feel that the neutral heroes haven't really been explored enough
19:37.01Hobinheim|workbecause we know for sure that the racial heroes have been played to death
19:37.14Sky2042eh
19:37.18Hobinheim|workold habits die hard. neutral heroes ARE weird
19:42.17Hobinheim|worklast night i fell asleep trying to think of a random talent chooser
19:42.37Bibi`ouFhttp://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/bulwark.jpg
19:42.38Bibi`ouF:D
19:42.45Hobinheim|workhmm now i'm intrigued...
19:43.05Hobinheim|workis that real?
19:43.30Bibi`ouFindeed
19:43.33Bibi`ouFi just datamined it myself
19:43.33Bibi`ouF:p
19:43.40Hobinheim|workhah item level 175
19:43.41Bibi`ouFI do everything myself on my site
19:43.53Bibi`ouFif it's watermarked in the background, it's real
19:44.10Sky2042a legendary shield... weak?
19:44.17Sky2042lol
19:47.59Devilkoulhaha
19:48.30Devilkoulcan only be used during encounter?
19:48.36Devilkouli assumne
19:49.42Devilkoulwell i guess more like "obviously"
19:53.53Hobinheim|worknot obviously, that would be great in pvp
19:54.07Hobinheim|workor somehow bypass the despawning procedure
19:54.19Hobinheim|workyou know, they probably made zone restrictions on items and spells already
19:54.23Hobinheim|workto prevent such hackery
19:54.33Devilkoulyarr
19:54.40Hobinheim|workon template exit, despawn epix. on outlands enter, doublecheck specialized epix
19:54.48Hobinheim|work*temple
19:54.55Hobinheim|worki keep saying template..
19:55.00Hobinheim|worklike jewish people go to template
19:55.27Devilkoulyou'll grow out of it
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20:06.14Kirkburn|afkhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Karazhan appears broken
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20:08.11Kirkburn|afkWhat's still in the job queue? Hobinheim|work?
20:08.24Kirkburn|afk(The job queue length is currently 3,334.)
20:08.26*** join/#wowwiki deltron (i=ryan@75-132-104-140.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com)
20:08.45deltronfyi karazhan page is broked
20:11.20Hobinheim|workthe job queue got bumped up 5000x2 because i was editing icon, twice
20:11.34Hobinheim|workoh boo the bot crashed
20:11.49Hobinheim|workyup kara is broken
20:11.51Hobinheim|worknot sure why
20:11.59Hobinheim|worktime to do the surgery technique
20:12.52Hobinheim|workhmm can't look at anything
20:12.58Hobinheim|workthat's weird
20:13.03Hobinheim|workmaybe the kara entry is locked
20:13.07Hobinheim|workvlad_... =)
20:13.14Hobinheim|workneed help looking at the Karazhan article
20:13.27Kirkburn|afkWrite his name on the lines you want him to see
20:13.35deltronthe page source is 100% empty
20:13.50Hobinheim|workvlad_... need help looking at the karazhan article, it's not loading
20:13.51Bibi`ouFhaha
20:13.53Kirkburn|afkEasier for him when checking over the logs that way :)
20:13.56Bibi`ouFskins of the legendary items really suck :p
20:14.01Bibi`ouFupdated them on the site
20:14.19Kirkburn|afkzomg, link
20:14.26deltronyou don't know his site yet?
20:14.35Kirkburn|afkWhat site? ;)
20:14.35Hobinheim|workeven i know now
20:14.37Hobinheim|workhttp://www.mmo-champion.com/
20:14.46Hobinheim|workbib lee oof?
20:14.48Bibi`ouFKirkburn|afk , you suck.
20:14.53Kirkburn|afkI'm lazy, dontchaknow
20:14.53Bibi`ouF:/
20:14.58deltronlol I just found out it was him that ran the site last week :P
20:15.05Hobinheim|workKirkburn|afk, there's phish phood at my local deli
20:15.10Hobinheim|worki keep thinking of you =P
20:15.21Kirkburn|afkhehe
20:15.59Bibi`ouFanyway
20:16.01Bibi`ouFSkosiris , you're here ?
20:16.10deltronlol legendary mace is still 40.1 dps
20:16.12deltronfor healing
20:16.54deltronerr 41.3 lol
20:17.30deltronBibi`ouF: who stole your stuff?
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20:18.07Bibi`ouFsooooooo, Skosiris, you're here ?
20:18.24sancuslol
20:18.28sancusthe karazhan article is erroring out
20:18.31sancuswonder who did that
20:19.04TecnoBratsancus, welcome to 10 mins ago! :P
20:19.10sancusum
20:19.13sancusthat's how i noticed
20:19.19sancusbecause of this channel...
20:19.25deltronlol
20:19.28TecnoBrat:P
20:19.34deltronso I win a cookie?
20:19.38deltronI didn't notice it first heh
20:19.39sancusI can just go back to what I was doing and _not_ fix it if you prefer ;)
20:19.48TecnoBrathaha
20:19.53Hobinheim|work...
20:19.57Hobinheim|work:colbert:
20:20.01SkosirisBibi: yup! I'm here :)
20:20.23Hobinheim|workKirkburn|afk, what was your latest edit to kara?
20:20.41Kirkburn|afkAn attempt to fix :/
20:20.48Hobinheim|workhow did you even submit an edit?
20:21.05Kirkburn|afkI http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Karazhan&action=edit
20:21.20Hobinheim|worklol my ideea didn't work
20:21.36Hobinheim|workdamn the edit page loads i forgot about that
20:21.48sancusit's hitting the php memory limit
20:21.54Hobinheim|workyay!
20:21.54sancusone sec
20:22.16Hobinheim|workphp will rue the day... and it will rue it hard...
20:22.20TecnoBratwow, hitting the memory limit?
20:22.26sancusit's only 16MB
20:22.30Hobinheim|worki wonder what caused it
20:22.31TecnoBratahh
20:22.36deltronyou can up that IIRC
20:22.41sancusI know you can :P
20:22.44abecxwhat is iirc
20:22.50deltronif I remember correctly
20:22.51TecnoBratyou certainly can .. not sure that is the best solution :P
20:23.01abecxno one uses it in my internet neck of the woods
20:23.05deltronI think I had to for one of the CMS' I used a while back
20:23.19deltronabecx: you need a new neighborhood then
20:23.46Hobinheim|workyou can.... you mean i caused it?
20:23.54Teomyr[[Image:Karazhan_detail_layout.jpg|thumb|The detailed layout of Karazhan]]
20:23.57Teomyrthat line messed it up
20:24.04Hobinheim|workhow do you know?
20:24.05Teomyrif i remove that, the preview renders
20:24.12Hobinheim|worksubmit it
20:24.13Hobinheim|worklet's see
20:24.15Teomyrcan't save it, though, since server just went down
20:24.15TecnoBratsancus, btw, sorry bout the sarcasm earlier, I'm in a jerkish mood... I just made 1/2 of my coworkers go to meatspin.com (DO NOT GO TO UNLESS YOU LIKE GAY PORN)
20:24.19Hobinheim|worklol boo
20:24.23Kirkburn|afkI just got 8 loots of a mine!
20:24.27deltronlol
20:24.35deltronspin.gif is old hehe
20:24.37Hobinheim|workit's weird
20:24.39Hobinheim|workeven for gay porn
20:24.42Hobinheim|workc'mon, have a little class
20:24.43TecnoBrathaha
20:24.51deltronit's tranny porn
20:25.08sancusfixed
20:25.08Hobinheim|workhey it loads now
20:25.11Hobinheim|workWOO!
20:25.13Hobinheim|worksancus you're da best
20:25.17Hobinheim|workthx for the quick resposne
20:25.23Kirkburn|afkWhat was up with it?
20:25.25deltronrawk
20:25.33Hobinheim|worklol kirkburn you added a line
20:25.37Hobinheim|workKirkburn|afk, memory limit
20:25.48Hobinheim|worksancus, did you just up the ceiling?
20:25.57Kirkburn|afkblimey
20:26.03sancusyes
20:26.12sancus16M is kind of low anyway
20:26.51TecnoBratespecially when dealing with so much dynamic page content such as a wiki
20:26.52Teomyrmy guess: [[Image:Karazhan detail layout.jpg]] is pretty big, and there was no thumbnail cached yet
20:26.53Hobinheim|workto what i wonder
20:27.00sancusthat page is a little bloated though
20:27.08Teomyrmaybe that's why it messed up when trying to save it
20:27.14Hobinheim|workwtf is wrong with that gif
20:27.16Hobinheim|workand who made it
20:27.27deltronyeah but how can you clean up that page?
20:27.29Hobinheim|workgod... cut it down
20:27.33Teomyr1205x3283 gif!
20:27.38deltronLOL
20:27.42Teomyrit must take huge amounts of memory to resample that
20:27.44TecnoBratTeomyr, that shouldnt make the page not load, since its an external image .. unless I'm missing something
20:27.53Teomyrit's internal in the wiki
20:27.54sancusIt was making the page not load
20:27.59TecnoBratoh maybe its trying to resample on page load
20:28.02sancusAdding that image onto the page takes additional memory
20:28.04sancusit's not external
20:28.11sancusIt's displayed in thumbnail form
20:28.20sancuswhich is still memory
20:28.23sancusThat page is really long
20:28.38Hobinheim|work*sigh*
20:28.41sancusThere's nothing wrong with that, just saying
20:28.45Hobinheim|workWTB SEXY GRAPHICS
20:28.46sancusIf you're going to have detailed maps and shit
20:28.52sancusseems like they ought to have a Karazhan_Maps page
20:28.54sancusor something like that
20:29.02sancusKarazhan(Maps)
20:29.32Hobinheim|workKarazhan (maps)
20:29.42sancuswhatever :p
20:29.44deltronit should be some kind of SVG type thing
20:29.57sancusanyway, it's fine with the raised memory limit so \/\/
20:30.03Skosirisif only a good samaritan was to create some instance maps for us...
20:30.03TecnoBratTeomyr, I think you are right ...
20:30.03Teomyrit's probably not because that page is so big, but the image is, and it had not yet been cached
20:30.06TecnoBrat11:30, 27 April 2007 . . Majikian (Talk | contribs) . . 12053283 (321,112 bytes) (Reverted to earlier revision)
20:30.12TecnoBratsounds like that what happened for sure.
20:30.19sancuscached or not doesn't affect the memory usage of the page
20:30.44TecnoBratI bet it was trying to resample the thumbnail on page load, and running out of memory .. maybe I'm crazy tho
20:30.50Teomyroh yes! if the thumbnail is not yet cached, but the page needs one, it is created when the page is saved
20:31.05Hobinheim|workrun, bot!
20:31.09Hobinheim|workrun like you've never run before!
20:31.14TecnoBrator something like that :P
20:31.20sancuswell
20:31.53sancuser what
20:32.07sancusIf it's created when the page is saved, I don't see what it has to do with memory usage of the page when viewed
20:32.21sancusIn that case, the save would error, not the resulting page
20:32.29Teomyryeah, right
20:32.47sancusThat page was probably just below the memory limit as-is and that image thumbnail pushed it over
20:33.26deltronwowwiki run on one server?
20:33.29sancusyes
20:33.32deltronnice
20:33.43TecnoBratdatabase on the same box, or separate?
20:33.46sancussame
20:33.53TecnoBratwow, thats impressive actually
20:33.59Hobinheim|workmy mind is like wtf when it comes to server stuff
20:34.01Hobinheim|workso complicated
20:34.05Hobinheim|worki hope it just works and stays working
20:34.42sancuswe still need to set up memcached on separate box, I think
20:34.48sancuswhen that happens the database will be much happier than it is now
20:34.56TecnoBratmemcache makes a huge difference
20:35.10Hobinheim|workyou know of this memcache?!
20:35.29TecnoBratbecause, I am a crazy computer geek :P
20:36.15sancusand yeah, it runs fairly well given its hardware
20:36.28sancusswitching to lighttpd helped a lot, apache sucks
20:36.34Hobinheim|workoh god did it crash again
20:36.44Hobinheim|workhmm
20:36.47deltroni never really got php to work in lighttpd
20:36.53deltronbut didn't try very hard either
20:37.00sancusHob: are you on crack?
20:37.18dottedyes ircrack
20:37.27Hobinheim|worki keep forgetting...
20:37.33Hobinheim|workmy bot crashes if the page is admin protected
20:37.40sancuslol
20:37.44Hobinheim|workwanna make him an admin?
20:37.49sancusno.
20:37.53Hobinheim|work...
20:37.58dottedpwnt
20:38.00Hobinheim|workor i can run the bot script as me!
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20:38.09Hobinheim|workor just write an exception...
20:38.21sancusIs it really a good idea to have bots modifying protected pages?
20:38.59TecnoBratlighttpd is ... uhhh .. touch and go.
20:39.05TecnoBratSome apps it makes a huge difference
20:39.09TecnoBratsome are much worse
20:39.13TecnoBratjust depends I guess
20:39.20sancusIt handles wowwiki's traffic far more effectively
20:39.22sancusIt does 250r/s np
20:39.27sancusapache used to start to die around 180-200
20:39.31TecnoBratnice
20:40.01sancusand around lower r/s, it's much more responsive
20:40.02Hobinheim|workit's just a formality really. it's not modding the protected page, so much as it's using the edit page to look at its wiki source
20:40.13sancusHob: So fix your script :P
20:40.18Hobinheim|workand the one time i needed admin actions i just ran the scripts authenticated as me
20:40.28Hobinheim|worki wrote an exception case :P
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20:42.40Adysaand graphiccard dead >> great
20:42.43Hobinheim|workso... now that we're in the mediawiki age...
20:42.57Hobinheim|workwhat advantages does apache provide over lighttp?
20:43.06vlad_none, really
20:43.11Hobinheim|worklike... should people stlil outgrow their apaches?
20:43.12vlad_apache is the kitchen sink of web servers
20:43.18Hobinheim|workor should we all start from lighttp from the get go?
20:43.25Hobinheim|workfor mediawiki installs? or ALL websites?
20:43.31vlad_if you're setting up a new mw install, I'd say lighttpd
20:43.32deltronI run 10+ sites on my apache server
20:43.34Hobinheim|workhello vlad
20:43.37deltronnot sure how lighttpd handles that
20:43.41vlad_there's actually another web server that's supposedly better memory usage wise than lighttpd
20:43.57Hobinheim|workwell it's getting closer and closer to the metal
20:43.58vlad_deltron: it has a couple of different types of virtual hosting
20:44.02vlad_but apache is certainly more versatile
20:44.07Hobinheim|worki'm sure a custom tailored web server would do wonders
20:44.23Hobinheim|workmaybe one that you can compile from source
20:44.34Hobinheim|workand turn on and off different options
20:44.36sancus...
20:44.49Hobinheim|worka sort of gentoo of web servers
20:44.49deltronthat's what you do with apache :P
20:44.52Hobinheim|workRICER WIKI
20:44.59vlad_heh
20:45.03Hobinheim|workthen why is light better than apache
20:45.03vlad_compiling from source is usually fail
20:45.04TecnoBratyou can do that with apache, or lighttpd .. they are all open souce and compiled.
20:45.10vlad_you don't want to be in the business of compiling anything, really
20:45.20Hobinheim|workif you're in it for speed, of course you do
20:45.30Hobinheim|workbesides how bad can it be
20:45.40deltronit's a PITA
20:45.51deltronI do like apache2 over apache though
20:45.58TecnoBrat90% of people don't want to take the time to properly configure/compile apache.
20:46.16TecnoBratmost just enable everything, and compile
20:46.20Hobinheim|workthat's the fault of pasty nerds who have no sympathy for working conditions other than their own
20:46.38Teomyrthe online dictionary at dict.leo.org implemented a specialized webserver which keeps the whole database in memory
20:47.05sancusyou can do that without, uh, a specialized webserver
20:47.06TecnoBratTeomyr, they basically have the whole thing memcached, yea
20:47.17deltronI don't really wanna migrage all my stuff from apache to apache2 just yet
20:48.22TecnoBratby adding memcached support for the wiki, you would essentially create the same thing. I'm not sure exactly what it keeps in memcache, but probably most of it.
20:50.16Teomyrhttp://dict.leo.org/about.html - it's basically without the php-mysql overhead
20:50.16sancusit just stores pages in memcached I think
20:53.26winkillerlighty ftw!
20:54.52Hobinheim|workdo you guys find this funny? my brother asks http://www.flickr.com/photos/jkenning/464845773/in/set-72157600078099414
20:55.06Hobinheim|workbtw i just like stuff that owrks
20:55.07Devilkoulhaha
20:55.14Hobinheim|worki'm so like... self absorbed and self concerned
20:55.19Hobinheim|worki hate unncessary thought
20:55.33Hobinheim|worki just want my webserver to "work"
20:55.57deltronthat is a great pic lol
20:56.04TecnoBratHob, yes, that is funny
20:56.10winkilleryeah, very nice ;O
20:56.16TecnoBratbut hes about 5 hours late, I've seen it already :P
20:56.21Devilkoul:P
20:57.52Hobinheim|work(colbert is this guy crossing his arms looking unimpressed)
20:58.00TecnoBratseriously, who would think putting 3 leaderboard ads at the top of their page would be a "good idea"
20:58.11TecnoBrat*boggle*
21:01.55TecnoBratDammit, my guild forums need to use wiki codes :P
21:02.02deltronlol
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21:05.32TecnoBratoh shit, its sky
21:05.46TecnoBratstop talking about sky Hobinheim|work!
21:07.05Sky2042i can't be thaaaaat interesting.
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21:07.55Kirkburn|afkAdys, you're getting lots on in-game mail prezzies at least :P
21:08.04AdysoO
21:08.06Adyszomg
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21:08.32Kirkburn|afkCause, like, I bet you still really need hundreds of copper bars :P
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21:09.30Hobinheim|workdo you guys play together? 0_o
21:10.14Sky2042kirk started an alt on adys' server, i think
21:10.29Kirkburn|afkI leik playin wiv Adys
21:11.01AdysI pay him and he cybers me
21:11.04Adysfair deal
21:11.30Kirkburn|afkYup
21:11.52Adysthe graphic card's heat gone down to 48 avg
21:11.57Adysand 58 avg with wow on
21:12.07AdysWell I guess its better than 87
21:12.15Kirkburn|afkThat's much better
21:12.18Adyshob l2europe
21:12.18Hobinheim|worki thought it was dead, dude
21:12.21Sky2042hobinheim, you should be ashamed of yourself for judging in such a way... i know you are capable of the same faults!
21:12.24Kirkburn|afkDid you fix something?
21:12.28Adysit wasnt, it just auto shut down it seems
21:12.42Hobinheim|workZOMG HEATO!!!!!!
21:13.03*** kick/#wowwiki [Hobinheim|dead!n=Miranda@APoitiers-256-1-128-189.w90-30.abo.wanadoo.fr] by Adys (Self Destruction program engaged)
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21:13.34Adysbtw
21:13.36*** kick/#wowwiki [Adys!n=Kirkburn@82-32-40-219.cable.ubr06.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] by Kirkburn|afk (Altruistic Revenge Program Activated!)
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21:13.39Adysthe fan is running at 70% atm
21:13.56Adysthink I should force it to go 100%?
21:14.11Adysor is that a bad idea
21:14.53Devilkoulhah
21:16.14Kirkburn|afkNope, shouldn't be bad at all
21:16.18Hobinheim|deadset it for auto decide
21:16.22Hobinheim|deador just ignore it
21:16.27Adysits on auto atm
21:17.40Hobinheim|deadis it warning you
21:17.45Adysno
21:17.46dottedhttp://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/database/items/details/30316/devastation/ extremely hard-hitting two-handed cloth
21:18.00Adysbut i didnt have a warning even when I got to 90 :P
21:18.04Devilkoulhaha
21:18.06Hobinheim|deadwtf is that?
21:18.23Sky2042LOL dotted
21:18.26Hobinheim|deadis that a piece of armor or a weapon?
21:18.26Sky2042wtf
21:18.38Devilkoultypo
21:18.57Hobinheim|deadhow can it be a typo?
21:19.42Devilkoulcause it's an axe ..
21:19.45dottedhttp://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/database/items/details/30317/cosmic-infuser/ <- and thats some not very hard hitting plate oO?
21:19.53Skosirisdotted: learn2linkitems
21:19.58dottedcurse fails :(
21:20.09dottedSkosiris :(?
21:20.27dottedwowhead doesnt have flaws :(
21:20.36Skosiris'course not
21:20.39dottedplease make some flaws so i can point and laugh at you
21:20.58dottedcurse have flaws
21:21.05dottedso i point and laugh at them
21:21.07dotted=))
21:21.22Skosirisoh, well done then :P
21:22.13Hobinheim|deadyeah i wonder how wowhead isn't suspectible to bad or dummy data
21:22.24dottedhttp://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/database/items/details/30314/phaseshift-bulwark/ <- GIEF PLIX
21:23.03SkosirisHobinheim: well, the About us page clearly states it. The site was coded by some mastermind of PHP.
21:23.08sancusyou aren't going to be hitting any cloth with any of those weapons
21:23.16sancusbecause you only use them in TK
21:23.20SkosirisHobinheim: just kidding lol, Tim's the one who composed those pretentious descriptions
21:23.23TecnoBratSkosiris = wowhead?
21:23.36Hobinheim|deadTecnoBrat, yes
21:23.37dottedyes
21:23.40TecnoBrato.O
21:23.49Hobinheim|deadhobinheim also = jackass
21:23.54dottedhttp://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/database/items/details/30318/netherstrand-longbow/ <- arrow shooting leather :F
21:24.05TecnoBratI've gotta say ... I emailed wowhead some spammer .. and it took you like 15 mins to read my email and delete him
21:24.10TecnoBratI was impressed
21:24.11dottedcurse is full of fail
21:24.21sancuscurse sucks
21:24.26sancusthe end
21:24.42foxlitlies!
21:24.47foxlitThey stay up when wiki doesn't.
21:24.58TecnoBratOH SHIT
21:24.58Devilkouloh snap
21:25.01TecnoBratit was Skosiris!
21:25.01Slagert"more hardware" :P
21:25.04TecnoBratsnap
21:25.26TecnoBrat"Thanks for reporting him. He's now banned for good :)" -- Skosiris
21:25.31TecnoBratdamn .. small world
21:26.16amroAdys: are you going to vote?
21:26.41AdysIm going to kill my informatic material provider first
21:26.53amrolol why?
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21:27.30ThraeAdys: Your Information Material Provider is giving you bad information? That little IMP!
21:27.37SkosirisTechnoBrat: it's good to know that yet another Wowwikian is using Wowhead
21:27.40Adysinformatic
21:27.43Adysnot information oO
21:27.51Skosiris:)
21:28.15ThraeAdys: That's not a word
21:28.22ThraeHence I thought it was a typo
21:28.26Adyswhatever, im french, i invent all the words i want
21:28.32Adysim a freeworder!
21:28.48ThraeAdys: Bah, you French are already responsible for over 50% of the English language, we don't need anymore!
21:28.55Adysis*
21:29.26ThraeEnglish has waaay too many inconsistent words already due to you damn French
21:29.39Sky2042looool
21:29.50Sky2042as if it's the French's fault.
21:29.55ThraeEnglish was originally a Germanic language, dammit! ICH BEIN IE BERLINER!
21:30.12amrogerman always seemed like mistyped english to me
21:30.19ThraeSky2042: Actually, it is
21:30.24Teomyrlol
21:30.43ThraeSky2042: England has been invaded many times. The last and most serious invasion was by the French -- the King of Normandy.
21:31.08ThraeSky2042: Noblility and their serfs went over to England and started mixing with the Anglos, Saxxons, etc.
21:31.39ThraeSky2042: But since they were the nobility, their French language started changing the language commonly used
21:31.50amroIt's not the French's fault then. The English were too weak to resist an invasion
21:32.18Thraeamro: There weren't any English at the time, only Anglos, Saxxons, Prats, etc.
21:32.30Sky2042looooooooooooooooooooooool
21:32.45amros/English/Anglos, Saxxons, Prats, etc/
21:33.16dottedand then the vikings came and rape the UK in the arse and the english started talking danish
21:33.44dottedetc
21:33.44amrobah, who cares, english > french
21:33.50dotteddanish > english > french
21:33.55ThraeEnglish sucks, it's a bastarization of Latin and Germanic languages
21:34.05amroenglish > * > french
21:34.07Sky2042swedish > danish > english > french
21:34.10ThraeJaplish all the way
21:34.11Sky2042;)
21:34.18foxlitc > *ish
21:34.19dotteddanish > swedisg > english > french
21:34.21ThraeA language that is 100% phonetic!
21:34.27Sky2042nej
21:34.30dottedjo
21:34.31Sky2042swedish > you!
21:34.37dottednej
21:34.40Sky2042ja
21:34.44dotteddanish > you!
21:34.45amrodare I say lojban?
21:35.12Sky2042in your dreams dotted!
21:35.39dottedSky2042 good thing the whole world and universe is my dream then ;)
21:36.39dottednn
21:36.42Sky2042skeet
21:36.48Sky2042bizowned
21:47.55Sky2042argh
21:48.22Sky2042ooooook
21:48.24Sky2042who broke the wiki
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21:49.17Devilkoul:/
21:50.36*** join/#wowwiki Dragofix (i=Dragofix@dsl-hkigw8-fe10f800-107.dhcp.inet.fi)
21:52.36Devilkoul"Blizzard added three new positions on their job openings page yesterday for a "next-gen MMO.""
21:53.46Devilkoul<B
21:54.05Sky2042you're welcome
21:54.40*** join/#wowwiki Lysistrata124 (n=yousuck@unaffiliated/lysistrata)
21:55.00Skosirismaybe they are referring to WoW as a "next-gen MMO."
21:55.06Devilkoulyea console
21:55.09Devilkoulis theory
21:55.10Sky2042lolconsole
21:56.39foxlitAnd it's not warcraft in space! It's much more sophisticated!
21:56.53DevilkoulOrc Hunter vs Zerg Zergling imo
21:57.00TecnoBratI thought I read somewhere that blizzard vivindi state that they were going to focus on mmos as their primary business model
21:57.15Sky2042wth
21:57.37Devilkoulmmo = atm .. for blizz
21:57.43Sky2042hobinheim
21:57.44Sky2042bastard
21:58.12Sky2042um, we're gonna need a bot...
22:01.12TecnoBratlol what happened?
22:01.22Sky2042look at any newer boss page
22:01.34Sky2042see anything wrong with the items?
22:01.39TecnoBratsec
22:02.10TecnoBratheh
22:02.13TecnoBrat.png.png
22:02.16Devilkoulyea
22:02.19Devilkoulnoticed that earlier
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22:02.38Sky2042now have a look at why (view history): http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Icon
22:02.39Devilkoul"Use the form below to upload files. "
22:04.48TecnoBratoh shit, dammit hob!
22:05.26Sky2042exactly
22:06.41TecnoBratso whats the "right" way? have the call to the template just as "INV_Potion_49" or "INV_Potion_49.png"
22:07.24Sky2042the former
22:07.28Sky2042now, anyway
22:07.48Sky2042damn idiot protected the page right before doing it too
22:07.50Sky2042that makes me mad
22:07.54TecnoBratlol
22:07.59Devilkoul:/
22:08.21TecnoBratI assume you aren't an admin?
22:08.43Sky2042that would be a good assumption
22:09.03Adyswha?
22:09.21Sandwichman2448Sky isn't an admin?
22:09.34Sky2042lol
22:10.16Sky2042i wish
22:10.18Sky2042>.>
22:10.31Sky2042not that I'd revert it >.>
22:16.11TecnoBratCanucks better win tonight dammit
22:24.06Devilkoulso in 2.1 Vash no longer mid controls in phase 3?
22:24.13DevilkoulVashj*
22:24.17Devilkoulmind*
22:24.19Devilkoulhalp typing
22:26.12TecnoBratDevilkoul, thats what I understand to be true, yes
22:26.40Devilkoulcoo, yea just did quick search, nihilum confirms
22:26.42Devilkoulthx
22:28.35Sandwichman2448<PROTECTED>
22:28.49Sandwichman2448with one a
22:31.58Sandwichman2448Nevermind...
22:32.23Devilkoul:P
22:33.54Sandwichman2448What about the Zul'Aman page? Who is this Slanik? He and his buddies keep vandalizeing the page saying they're the final boss.
22:37.15Devilkoulthey back?
22:37.16Devilkoulwth
22:39.28Sandwichman2448They did it again today, I reverted it but did not report it.
22:39.58Sandwichman2448I can't work the template.
22:49.39Adysl2beep
22:49.46Kirkburn|afkWaaah!
22:50.07Kirkburn|afkI need your help on a quest :(
22:50.23AdysI cant log in :/
22:50.32Adysfor more than 3 mins anyways
22:50.35Kirkburn|afkWhy?
22:50.42Adysgraphic card melts up :P
22:50.53Kirkburn|afkNooo
22:51.08Adysmm ill come
22:51.18Adysit should be that bad><
22:51.41Kirkburn|afkThankies!
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23:13.45TecnoBratwhat server you guys on?
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23:17.24Kirkburn|afkStormrage EU
23:18.52foxlitEmerald Dream EU
23:19.08foxlitAnd I really should clean up that Server page
23:19.19Devilkoulnathrezim us, QQ
23:23.13TecnoBratI'm Korgath US
23:32.56deltronsuramar US
23:37.39Adysnn peeps
23:43.29Kirkburn|afkThink I'm gonna go to bed soon too
23:43.52Devilkoulgonna go get some beers, later
23:43.57Kirkburn|afkSee ya
23:44.46Kirkburn|afkI have no quests left on my draenei :(
23:45.20deltronroll horde
23:45.30Kirkburn|afklol
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23:45.48Kirkburn|afkThis draenei is already my 3rd highest level char
23:46.25deltron:P
23:49.46ggilbertAm I the only person who has never gotten more than one character to the cap?
23:49.54deltronI haven't
23:50.14ggilbertEven when it was 60, I was well behind

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