| 00:00.09 | foxlit | Need to be much more subtle, really |
| 00:00.16 | DuTempete | I put it on a quest NPC a few weeks ago and it was removed |
| 00:00.18 | Skyfire | check the talk page for that template dutempete |
| 00:00.18 | Skyfire | i think that's wher eit is |
| 00:00.26 | foxlit | Like placing a small bc icon next to the article header. And that's it. |
| 00:01.04 | Skyfire | don't think that's possible |
| 00:01.18 | foxlit | Did we stop the sillyness that was <div style="margin-left: 3%"> ? |
| 00:01.25 | Skyfire | that's not silly... |
| 00:01.34 | Skyfire | it's even in one of the tips of the day :x |
| 00:01.41 | foxlit | It's very silly. |
| 00:01.43 | Skyfire | it shouldn't be in most articles |
| 00:01.46 | foxlit | Especially at high resolutions |
| 00:02.06 | Skyfire | really big gap in the page? |
| 00:02.21 | foxlit | ~20 pixel pad on all content |
| 00:02.25 | foxlit | bloody useless, too |
| 00:02.26 | Skyfire | ugh |
| 00:03.06 | Teomyr | yes, at 2560x1024 it looks retarded |
| 00:03.44 | foxlit | Even 1680x1050 is odd |
| 00:04.26 | DuTempete | I've used it on my project page, and it doesn't look bad on a large resolution, at least not mine |
| 00:04.39 | foxlit | http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3204/bcta9.png |
| 00:05.16 | DuTempete | Umm... that your screen? |
| 00:05.30 | Skyfire | ~20 inches? |
| 00:05.33 | DuTempete | I think that look sgood |
| 00:05.44 | foxlit | 21, yeah. |
| 00:05.50 | foxlit | I think it looks silly |
| 00:05.58 | Skyfire | so wide; it's even shallower in depth than mine >_< |
| 00:06.00 | DuTempete | what part of the page are you talking about? |
| 00:06.18 | foxlit | left-margin on content under the level 2 headers |
| 00:06.42 | foxlit | though the skip from abstract to first section is also nasty |
| 00:06.44 | DuTempete | Yeah, that's what I use it for |
| 00:07.23 | DuTempete | It's really hard to read a page with sub-headings unless they're indented |
| 00:07.29 | Skyfire | it shouldn't normally be used |
| 00:07.38 | DuTempete | Why is that? |
| 00:07.52 | foxlit | Got an example of a hard to read page somewhere? |
| 00:07.52 | Skyfire | eh |
| 00:07.54 | Skyfire | just because |
| 00:07.55 | Skyfire | lol |
| 00:08.02 | foxlit | Cause http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Warcraft:_Burning_Crusade seems readable |
| 00:08.06 | DuTempete | lol don't give me that bs =P |
| 00:08.33 | Skyfire | ugh |
| 00:08.45 | Skyfire | bagginsww , you thre? |
| 00:08.49 | foxlit | "A faction of former Alliance members join the Horde in the expansion" |
| 00:08.58 | foxlit | a faction joins |
| 00:08.58 | Skyfire | that they were |
| 00:09.01 | DuTempete | I've noticed that Wikipedia is much easier to read than WoWWiki, in that regard |
| 00:09.01 | foxlit | member joins |
| 00:09.12 | DuTempete | I think it has something to do with the bg/text colors |
| 00:09.34 | foxlit | It's not really the formatting. |
| 00:09.41 | Skyfire | A former Alliance faction joins/has joined the horde in the expansion. |
| 00:09.44 | Skyfire | :] |
| 00:10.07 | DuTempete | What do you think it is, then, Fox? |
| 00:10.45 | foxlit | Text isn't written properly. It's an overly compressed linkfarm filled with questionable at best language constructs. |
| 00:11.27 | foxlit | The reason someone wanted 3% left margin is probably because sections don't follow logically, and most bullet-point lists contribute little related information. |
| 00:11.31 | DuTempete | Well, can you think of another solution to make the pages more readable? |
| 00:11.47 | Teomyr | personally, i'm not that satisfied with wowwiki's styling (mainly colors). i find the wowace wiki, for example, more friendly to the eye |
| 00:12.09 | DuTempete | I like the colors quite a bit, actually |
| 00:12.24 | foxlit | Yank the divs, write proper article, done. |
| 00:12.40 | DuTempete | That doesn't solve any problems, fox =P |
| 00:12.41 | foxlit | number of images and external links needs to be closely looked at as well |
| 00:13.08 | Skyfire | foxlit gave up on divs, and now he's ranting about the poor quality of the article. so, imo, he should go edit it to make it look nicer |
| 00:13.13 | Skyfire | ;P |
| 00:13.15 | foxlit | Gives conformity and coherency :) |
| 00:13.36 | DuTempete | Visually speaking, there needs to be negetive space for human beings to read it smoothly |
| 00:15.10 | DuTempete | negAtive... I never spell that word right. |
| 00:15.31 | foxlit | you can get away with it since people usually stop reading past the g |
| 00:15.58 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 00:16.19 | foxlit | On a lighter note, http://www.wowwiki.com/Cashbringer |
| 00:16.55 | foxlit | maybe we need a few more pixels on p margins |
| 00:17.19 | foxlit | wikipedia's paragraph spacing seems to be more than wowwiki's, but that's probably a colorscheme-induced trick |
| 00:17.52 | DuTempete | Honestly, I think there should be margin space put in the coding for each progressive subheading |
| 00:18.21 | foxlit | -top, perhaps; -left, no. |
| 00:18.35 | DuTempete | But yeah, I do agree that some of the problem has to do with illusionary color-schemes |
| 00:18.38 | foxlit | Has a quotetower effect on articles with good depth. |
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| 00:19.28 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Blood_Elf is another example |
| 00:20.23 | DuTempete | If I cared enough, I'd go find some information on Desktop Publishing principles involving negative space. I know it's in there, but I don't know precisely how. |
| 00:26.26 | DuTempete | Ok, that one does look like a little awkward, but I think it has to do with the fact that the heading's themselves aren't indented, but the paras are |
| 00:26.58 | DuTempete | Tell me if you think this is odd looking http://www.wowwiki.com/User:DuTemptete/Warlock_project |
| 00:28.00 | foxlit | 404 |
| 00:28.24 | DuTempete | 404? |
| 00:28.33 | foxlit | not found, you misspelled your name |
| 00:28.40 | DuTempete | lol |
| 00:28.57 | DuTempete | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:DuTempete/Warlock_project |
| 00:29.18 | foxlit | That's one big linkfarm |
| 00:29.50 | DuTempete | That's what it's for, though |
| 00:30.03 | DuTempete | One page, listing and categorizing every warlock related article |
| 00:30.20 | DuTempete | so that we can make a guided effort towards improving them |
| 00:30.42 | foxlit | Looks fine without excessive : |
| 00:31.01 | foxlit | Isn't there a Category:Warlock or something? |
| 00:32.18 | DuTempete | Heh, there's a : in front of pretty much ever para |
| 00:33.14 | DuTempete | It just looks damn good. =P |
| 00:33.14 | foxlit | http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/715/lessspaceek2.png |
| 00:33.36 | DuTempete | Yes, but part of what I wanted to work on was the structure, having it all on one page helps me visualize where everything needs to be. |
| 00:34.21 | DuTempete | What browser are you using? |
| 00:34.48 | foxlit | IE7 |
| 00:35.06 | DuTempete | Ah, firefox renders it differently |
| 00:35.38 | foxlit | The screenshot is of me editing your page to remove : that I don't think are required :) |
| 00:36.12 | DuTempete | Oh |
| 00:36.24 | DuTempete | I don't like it =P |
| 00:36.43 | foxlit | It's just as readable as it was before :) |
| 00:37.03 | foxlit | minus png64 grayscale :P |
| 00:37.15 | DuTempete | It doesn't give me a spacial map in my head of what's on the page, though. |
| 00:37.38 | DuTempete | And that's what I look for, when I read. I should be able to map out the page in my head before I ever read it. |
| 00:37.55 | foxlit | update head software |
| 00:38.01 | DuTempete | lol |
| 00:38.32 | foxlit | 1.42.42 parses things a bit better :) |
| 00:38.36 | DuTempete | Oooh... Enterprise had a show with the Death Star in it. |
| 00:42.07 | DuTempete | Isn't a man-made, spherical planet-shaped thing copyrighted by George Lucas? |
| 00:43.25 | DuTempete | planet-sized, rather |
| 00:45.47 | foxlit | "A faction of uncorrupted eredar join the Alliance. They are led by their prophet, Velen. The draenei capital city is The Exodar. Their racial mount is the elephant-like elekk and their language is Draenei. |
| 00:46.12 | foxlit | And they like pineapples. Favorite color is blue. They have tails. |
| 00:46.56 | Skyfire | yup |
| 00:51.11 | DuTempete | He lives in a pineapple under the sea... |
| 00:55.36 | Skyfire | dutempete |
| 00:55.42 | Skyfire | http://www.wowwiki.com/Slam |
| 00:55.49 | Skyfire | what about that table down there? |
| 00:57.02 | Skyfire | actually, i really, really, like that page |
| 00:57.50 | Skyfire | draenei the only ones who cant be warriors, or is it the BE? |
| 00:58.05 | foxlit | be |
| 01:03.43 | Skyfire | my god that template is... |
| 01:03.45 | Skyfire | just |
| 01:03.46 | Skyfire | yum |
| 01:04.01 | Skyfire | that should be how our new boilerplate is set up |
| 01:04.06 | Skyfire | dutempete |
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| 01:07.13 | Skyfire | argh |
| 01:17.15 | DuTempete | That table is actually similar to what I'm working on |
| 01:17.39 | DuTempete | It's clean, and doesn't bounce off the page |
| 01:18.33 | clad|away | The Sporeggar reputation "timeline" table, is teh sex. |
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| 01:19.50 | DuTempete | teh sex, eh? |
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| 01:22.54 | clad|away | teh secks to be specific =) |
| 01:27.18 | Tekkub | you like the table? |
| 01:27.21 | Tekkub | all my idea :) |
| 01:29.12 | winkiller | nice, 2manned Rakh'likh |
| 01:34.33 | Skyfire | i like the actual look of the entire page now dutempete. everything except where that table is located; that can be fixed. |
| 01:36.57 | DuTempete | It's very hot, Tekkub. =P |
| 01:37.12 | DuTempete | Is it in a template? |
| 01:40.04 | Tekkub | no |
| 01:40.14 | Tekkub | quasi-CSS templates for the style |
| 01:40.22 | Tekkub | until someday when we get real CSS |
| 01:42.04 | DuTempete | S'ok, I don't know CSS very well. =P |
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| 02:12.49 | Bagginsww | Hey sky |
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| 03:38.07 | Bagginsww | http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=39394 LOL, funny patch notes |
| 03:41.56 | Sky2042 | baggins |
| 03:42.18 | Sky2042 | i think blackrock mountain was named -after- the blackrocks decided that they were going to inhabit it, and the name stuck |
| 03:42.19 | Sky2042 | :) |
| 03:43.06 | Sky2042 | bagginsww * |
| 03:43.45 | Bagginsww | except it was called Blackrock mountain during hte war of the three hamemrs :) |
| 03:43.54 | Bagginsww | *hammers |
| 03:44.03 | Bagginsww | I know its strange |
| 03:44.10 | Sky2042 | huh |
| 03:44.13 | Sky2042 | hmm |
| 03:44.47 | Sky2042 | where does it say that's what it was called when the war was going on? ;P |
| 03:45.48 | Bagginsww | Lands of Conflict :p |
| 03:46.10 | Sky2042 | ugh |
| 03:46.30 | Sky2042 | damn rpg |
| 03:46.35 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/War_of_the_Three_Hammers_%28History_of_Warcraft%29 |
| 03:46.36 | Bagginsww | there too |
| 03:46.37 | Bagginsww | in game |
| 03:46.50 | Bagginsww | Ragnaros the Firelord, immortal lord of all fire elementals, had been banished by the Titans when the world was young. Now, freed by Thaurissan's call, Ragnaros erupted into being once again. Ragnaros' apocalyptic rebirth into Azeroth shattered the Redridge Mountains and created a raging volcano at the center of the devastation. The volcano, known as Blackrock Spire, was bordered by the Searing Gorge to the north and the B |
| 03:46.50 | Bagginsww | urning Steppes to the south. Though Thaurissan was killed by the forces he had unleashed, his surviving brethren were ultimately enslaved by Ragnaros and his elementals. They remain within the Spire to this day. |
| 03:47.05 | Bagginsww | not RPG's fault |
| 03:47.27 | Sky2042 | yeah, but that's not a "source text" in the sense that it was written in the past 50 years by those in-game |
| 03:47.54 | Sky2042 | the name could have changed, and the dwarves either forgot the old name, or just don't care anymore |
| 03:48.08 | Bagginsww | well duh same thing with Lands of Conflict, ;) |
| 03:48.20 | Sky2042 | >_> |
| 03:48.23 | Bagginsww | but the way its worded it could be interpreted either way |
| 03:48.34 | Sky2042 | eh |
| 03:48.42 | Sky2042 | i think that's what i meant to say when i started this... >_> |
| 03:48.54 | Bagginsww | but ya Lands of Conflict is also an "in-universe source" text written in last 50 years |
| 03:48.55 | Sky2042 | "the name could have changed, and the dwarves either forgot the old name, or just don't care anymore" |
| 03:49.28 | Bagginsww | its similar to how Stormwind used to be called Azeroth and some "source texts" call Azeroth "Stormwind" |
| 03:49.35 | Sky2042 | yeh |
| 03:49.47 | Bagginsww | but ya, believe me there are hard liners that read these things literal :p |
| 03:49.57 | Sky2042 | >_< |
| 03:49.58 | Bagginsww | "Aeleas" "Cough" |
| 03:50.15 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 03:50.34 | Sky2042 | lern2minoredit, btw. XD |
| 03:50.51 | Bagginsww | Talk to him and he automatically thinks old history was completely retconned |
| 03:51.12 | Bagginsww | and we RPG must be wrong for implying that that yes stormwind once was Azeroth. |
| 03:51.19 | Bagginsww | *and that the |
| 03:51.20 | Skyfire | :/ |
| 03:52.57 | Bagginsww | indeed :p |
| 03:53.30 | Skyfire | nah, metzen's done a pretty good job of staying consistent |
| 03:53.36 | Skyfire | :) |
| 03:54.20 | Skyfire | weeeeeee lag |
| 03:54.40 | Bagginsww | Well, he's no Tolkien :) |
| 03:54.58 | Skyfire | lol |
| 03:55.03 | Skyfire | fans hate the silmarillion |
| 03:55.05 | Skyfire | ;P |
| 03:55.15 | Skyfire | so far as i can recall, anyway |
| 03:55.54 | Skyfire | btw, what's the picture on the left at http://www.wowwiki.com/Gul'dan#Betrayal_and_Death ? |
| 03:58.31 | Skyfire | oh boy |
| 03:58.37 | Skyfire | time to start the guild project... |
| 04:12.04 | Bagginsww | well reason why fans hate silmarillion is mainly because it was edited by his son |
| 04:12.29 | Bagginsww | and they blaim him for adding his own ideas into it |
| 04:12.49 | Bagginsww | though usually it was minor intrusions like finishing sentences, or adding a final paragraph to a story |
| 04:13.26 | Bagginsww | That's Samwise's version of Gul'dan |
| 04:13.30 | Bagginsww | first published in the RPG |
| 04:13.41 | Skyfire | AH |
| 04:13.44 | Skyfire | ah* |
| 04:13.53 | Bagginsww | personally not my favorite interpretation |
| 04:14.02 | Bagginsww | he looks ugly and close to death LOL |
| 04:14.16 | Skyfire | true |
| 04:14.22 | Skyfire | shoot |
| 04:14.24 | Skyfire | hmm |
| 04:14.32 | Bagginsww | that's why I put it there Lawl |
| 04:15.25 | Bagginsww | anycase I think Silmerillion is beautiful. It has a very poetic style |
| 04:15.31 | Skyfire | yes |
| 04:15.33 | Bagginsww | true its not prose exactly |
| 04:15.36 | Skyfire | i love it too :] |
| 04:15.54 | Bagginsww | its very epic, in a biblical or gilgamesh sort of way |
| 04:16.12 | Bagginsww | well each of its stories |
| 04:16.14 | Skyfire | biblical is how i've heard it described |
| 04:16.33 | Bagginsww | it has that kind of "Genesis 1:1" style |
| 04:16.43 | Skyfire | exactly |
| 04:16.45 | Skyfire | >_> |
| 04:16.59 | Bagginsww | that is book, and then numbered paragraph and verse |
| 04:17.26 | Bagginsww | Some version of Gilgamesh are written in the same way |
| 04:18.18 | Skyfire | juuuuuuusssssst great |
| 04:18.27 | Skyfire | catting these guilds is gonna suck |
| 04:18.46 | Skyfire | we can't just move em, we have to [[Category:Guilds|name]] >_< |
| 04:19.11 | Skyfire | which is why Guild: is evil |
| 04:28.22 | Skyfire | actually, a cleanup of the category might not be a bad thing |
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| 04:33.36 | Skyfire | greetings? |
| 04:34.23 | Skyfire | :) |
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| 15:37.09 | Bagginsww | so you know the screen when you first load TFT? |
| 15:37.43 | Bagginsww | there is a strange creature that swims in the ocean near icecrown glacier... I wonder if someone could pull out the graphic so we could get a better shot of what it looks like |
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| 15:58.06 | foxlit | [[Ashbringer]] is not meant to be included anywhere, right? |
| 15:58.35 | foxlit | It's not currently, and it's a bit different from an ordinary item page. Wondering if I should remove some of the <noinclude>s in there |
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| 16:44.19 | Teomyr | wtf |
| 16:44.28 | Teomyr | wow passwords are case-insensitive |
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| 16:56.43 | AnduinLothar | So, why was the front page design not voted for on the wiki? |
| 16:57.49 | Zicon | teomyr: So are usernames. |
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| 17:01.58 | ALiEN`` | hello ;) |
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| 17:23.44 | Pougee | ey |
| 17:25.04 | Pougee | Ive poped in to ask a quick question. Im thinking about starting a warlock for pve'ing with another warlock thats going affliction. What would be a good support for that |
| 17:25.21 | Pougee | I was thinking a demonology build |
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| 17:26.21 | Kirkburn | Morning |
| 17:26.21 | Pougee | ey |
| 17:26.23 | Kirkburn | Y'know, I am /seriously/ looking forward to 2.1.0 now :) |
| 17:26.30 | MatthewS | mornin |
| 17:26.46 | Pougee | ahh yeah whys that? |
| 17:26.57 | Kirkburn | Have you not seen the Under Dev update? |
| 17:27.02 | Kirkburn | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/ |
| 17:27.08 | Kirkburn | Loads of new solo and small group stuff |
| 17:27.12 | Pougee | Kinda new to wow |
| 17:27.55 | Kirkburn | Welcome to WoW then, unless I've already said that to you once before :) |
| 17:28.36 | Pougee | nope first time here |
| 17:28.49 | Pougee | actually come into here to find out some info |
| 17:29.07 | Pougee | also thanks for the welcome |
| 17:29.12 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 17:30.03 | MatthewS | oh that does look fun |
| 17:30.10 | Pougee | Im trying to work out a demonologist build that would support and affliction lock nicely. But still do well solo |
| 17:30.25 | Pougee | Ive never played one before. And keen to try one out |
| 17:30.27 | MatthewS | wish i had more time to finish existing content |
| 17:31.29 | ALiEN`` | hey kirk |
| 17:31.37 | Kirkburn | ALiEN``, hullo |
| 17:31.50 | ALiEN`` | im the guy that made the ability and talent infoboxes yesterday :P |
| 17:31.55 | Kirkburn | Pougee, I've always been Demo, I love my felguard |
| 17:33.16 | ALiEN`` | i should somehow rename the ability infobox as ability/spell |
| 17:33.23 | Pougee | Ok, Im starting from scratch, is that the 41+ Felguard R Us build? |
| 17:33.31 | ALiEN`` | so people dont go around looking for spell infoboxes |
| 17:35.21 | ALiEN`` | ill try to implement the infoboxes on most pages i run into |
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| 17:38.27 | Pougee | Kirk: have you got your build posted anywhere? |
| 17:43.50 | Kirkburn | Pougee, not atm |
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| 17:45.14 | Pougee | Are you busy, can I ask you a couple questions? |
| 17:45.30 | Apollozeus | that's two questions already |
| 17:45.31 | Apollozeus | :P |
| 17:46.23 | Pougee | If Im hasseling tell me and I will stop. Just a keen interest |
| 17:49.25 | Kirkburn | Just a bit busy atm, best thing to do is just ask questions and see if anyone answers :) |
| 17:49.52 | Kirkburn | Now I have a question I want feedback for: |
| 17:49.54 | Kirkburn | Should Cosmos get a link on the Main Page, under the Hosted AddOn Pages link? |
| 17:50.03 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Cosmos_on_the_Main_Page |
| 17:51.13 | Gryphen | I say yes, heh |
| 17:51.20 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 17:51.52 | winkiller | N> admin 1ea - lost password and get no mail |
| 17:52.22 | Pougee | Ok, How is your solo'ing capabilities. What about survivabilty. I hear locks can have bad health and mana controll. Also are you running a Ruin type build? |
| 17:54.55 | Kirkburn | winkiller, wha? |
| 17:55.02 | Gryphen | think things are starting to get decided in irc too much that should be vote on wiki |
| 17:55.26 | winkiller | Kirkburn: yeah, maybe it's an unused email adress, my bad in any case - but I can't login |
| 17:55.45 | Kirkburn | To the wiki? I can only suggest asking sancus |
| 17:56.07 | Kirkburn | Gryphen, I've made a point recently on making sure stuff is asked on the wiki previously |
| 17:56.26 | Kirkburn | Recorded, at least |
| 17:57.49 | Bagginsww | Hey kirkburn can we upload sound files to wowwiki? and which format? |
| 17:58.13 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, I think so, and not sure |
| 17:58.24 | Kirkburn | Pougee, shall answer in a little while |
| 17:58.34 | Kirkburn | Gotta go out for a while, be back in a while |
| 17:58.35 | Pougee | np, no rush |
| 17:58.35 | Bagginsww | thanks |
| 17:58.59 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, if anything I would suggest MP3 as optimal |
| 17:59.09 | Bagginsww | k |
| 17:59.11 | Kirkburn | But to be honest I have no experience of non-picture uploads |
| 17:59.32 | Bagginsww | me either, but I want to put up those Archimond Eredun sounds |
| 17:59.45 | Bagginsww | from end of the undead campaign |
| 17:59.46 | ALiEN`` | kirk, sorry if this has been asked already... is the ParserExtensions feature gonna be installed? |
| 17:59.52 | Kirkburn | One day, one day |
| 17:59.56 | Teomyr | i hope so |
| 18:00.08 | ALiEN`` | ok :) |
| 18:07.28 | Teomyr | Bagginsww: what was the thing you wanted a screenshot of? the naga from the intro video or something from the main menu? |
| 18:09.22 | Bagginsww | main menu from tft |
| 18:09.29 | Bagginsww | if you watch the background |
| 18:09.36 | Bagginsww | you can see some strange creature swimming in the water |
| 18:09.54 | Bagginsww | wondering if there was a way to find that model |
| 18:09.59 | Teomyr | okay, i'll have a look |
| 18:10.31 | Bagginsww | thanks |
| 18:14.31 | Apollozeus | lol |
| 18:14.49 | Apollozeus | apparently, there's a woman who had sex with a random guy for 5000g |
| 18:14.55 | Apollozeus | so she could buy her epic mount XD |
| 18:15.02 | Apollozeus | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=93191844&sid=1&pageNo=12 |
| 18:16.32 | Bagginsww | apparently the game was more important than sex |
| 18:16.56 | Bagginsww | or rather her body |
| 18:20.02 | Bagginsww | so how does one upload an audio file? |
| 18:20.42 | Apollozeus | to wowwiki? |
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| 18:21.24 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 18:22.02 | Apollozeus | same way as an image |
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| 18:24.03 | Bagginsww | well it says, it doesn't like mp3s |
| 18:24.18 | Bagginsww | ".mp3" is not a recommended image file format. |
| 18:25.05 | Bagginsww | what can I edit, to make it allow mp3s?\ |
| 18:25.26 | Gryphen | nothing, images only |
| 18:26.21 | Bagginsww | ahh not going to add sound support? |
| 18:26.34 | Apollozeus | well, the wiki can be modified to allow for music formats |
| 18:26.53 | Apollozeus | just don't ask me how >_> |
| 18:26.53 | Bagginsww | I know we allow ogg/mp3 over at King's Quest omnipedia |
| 18:28.29 | Bagginsww | hmm going to convert a file to ogg vorbis and see if that works |
| 18:29.02 | ALiEN`` | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Images_and_other_uploaded_files#Supported_file_types |
| 18:29.26 | ALiEN`` | By default, MediaWiki only allows you to upload certain types of files (extensions gif, jpg, jpeg, ogg and png). |
| 18:30.52 | MatthewS | change $wgFileExtensions in the wowwiki LocalSettings |
| 18:32.12 | Bagginsww | hmm how to get to the localsettings? |
| 18:32.20 | MatthewS | you would put something like "$wgFileExtensions[] = 'mp3';" in the config |
| 18:32.28 | MatthewS | the owner of the wiki needs to do it |
| 18:32.45 | Bagginsww | ahh, outside my jurisdiction then heh |
| 18:32.51 | Kirkburn|afk | AnduinLothar, Gryphen, http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Cosmos_on_the_Main_Page |
| 18:32.55 | Kirkburn|afk | --> dinner |
| 18:33.10 | ALiEN`` | If you want to be able to upload other file types, for instance ZIP files you must add this line to LocalSettings.php: |
| 18:33.14 | Bagginsww | so we need someone to add ogg support |
| 18:33.19 | AnduinLothar | We both already posted :P |
| 18:33.24 | ALiEN`` | Bagginsww, ogg is by default |
| 18:33.34 | Bagginsww | it won't even let me upload ogg |
| 18:33.47 | ALiEN`` | hm, must be older version of mediawiki then |
| 18:33.58 | Bagginsww | they have plans to upgrade it |
| 18:34.01 | Gryphen | AnduinLothar he is linking his reply |
| 18:35.34 | MatthewS | there are other options to deny any extension outright |
| 18:45.08 | AnduinLothar | I've re-replied |
| 18:57.26 | Hobinheim|work | what's the name of the tiger hunters wanted with the special passive |
| 18:57.29 | Hobinheim|work | king balagash? |
| 18:58.03 | Hobinheim|work | bangalash... |
| 19:00.11 | ClydeJr | King Bangalash |
| 19:11.50 | Bagginsww | well I hope someone can add ogg support later :) |
| 19:17.57 | winkiller | wow, that SoL thread is hard |
| 19:18.10 | winkiller | s/hard/weird/ |
| 19:32.42 | ClydeJr | those SoL guys reminding me of a forum full of "Comic Book Guys" from the Simpsons |
| 19:34.32 | Bagginsww | Lawl |
| 19:34.51 | Bagginsww | rocket fett, vs, regular fett? |
| 19:46.00 | winkiller | but the "Appendix III" header sounds absiolutely reasonable to me |
| 19:46.21 | winkiller | they still appear as weird zealots in that post mostly... |
| 19:51.42 | Bagginsww | you should see when they wanted people to remove info about WC1 storyline, and anything that's been "retconned" |
| 19:52.05 | Bagginsww | in their opinion if it has been retconned it shouldn't be in articles |
| 19:52.21 | Bagginsww | yet, we are trying to show an evolution of the story here |
| 19:52.41 | Bagginsww | yes we know things have been retconned, but we include old story for "historical note" |
| 19:52.54 | Bagginsww | encyclopedia reasons |
| 19:52.58 | Bagginsww | *pedic |
| 19:55.44 | Bagginsww | ya, winkiller Appendix 3 is a weird issue. Authors/editors have claimed that it had no bearing on continuity, yet they have taken stuff from it, expanded on them in later sources on occasion, even in the same book. This is why we have decided to have warnings to point out that a contraversy exists, but we will still include articles about the material, for complete encylopedic coverage. If it shows up in more than one sour |
| 19:55.44 | Bagginsww | ce, no warning exists.. |
| 19:55.48 | winkiller | wtf does "retcon" mean? |
| 19:55.49 | winkiller | btw |
| 19:55.57 | Bagginsww | retroactive continuity |
| 19:56.09 | Bagginsww | in other words we ignore something that was said before, and change hte history |
| 19:56.17 | winkiller | ah thanks |
| 19:56.21 | winkiller | brb |
| 19:56.40 | Bagginsww | *that is I was projecting words into "mouths" of those that make retcons |
| 19:57.38 | Bagginsww | *"in other words the story teller ignores somethign that was said before, and changes the history" |
| 19:58.27 | winkiller | yeah, got it |
| 19:59.21 | winkiller | ah well - just from the thread and that no one *denied* that there was som D&D ref given, I personally would flag it - also when someone expended in that direction |
| 19:59.31 | winkiller | like "tagging" |
| 19:59.40 | winkiller | you flag sth as a and b |
| 19:59.52 | winkiller | who is interested in a doesn't care if it's flagged b |
| 20:00.00 | winkiller | but you know it HAS been flagged b |
| 20:00.22 | winkiller | but whatever |
| 20:00.30 | Bagginsww | well, winkiller let's just say articles of that type are basically one sentence long, LOL |
| 20:00.39 | Bagginsww | and there is a huge section that says, "Contraversy, blah blah blah |
| 20:00.54 | Bagginsww | in my opinion that's a huge warning |
| 20:01.42 | Bagginsww | I've included everything from appendix 3, and they have the warnings on them when applicable. That is if they haven't showed up in other sources. |
| 20:02.21 | Bagginsww | but expanded info eixsts, in non-appendix 3 sources, that means no longer a need for "warning" |
| 20:02.36 | Bagginsww | since other sources have acknowledge the "creature" |
| 20:04.36 | Bagginsww | A good example is Giant Eagle for example |
| 20:04.47 | Bagginsww | it was in Manual of Monsters, originally, in appendix 3 |
| 20:05.07 | Bagginsww | later showed up in Shadows & Light |
| 20:05.18 | Bagginsww | and also had refrences in WoWRPG |
| 20:06.38 | Bagginsww | oh winkiller you know the reason we have an RPG flag anyways? |
| 20:06.50 | winkiller | err no |
| 20:06.50 | Bagginsww | Because alot of people "simply" want to ignore the RPG in its entiretly |
| 20:07.00 | winkiller | what is fine imo |
| 20:07.04 | winkiller | as I said, like tagging |
| 20:07.05 | Bagginsww | they wanted us to remove all rpg material :p |
| 20:07.13 | Bagginsww | but ya its tagged |
| 20:07.14 | winkiller | you can filter, but you don't have to |
| 20:07.46 | winkiller | I guess it's ok |
| 20:07.49 | winkiller | as it is |
| 20:08.16 | Bagginsww | really though most of those articles are hidden, since the odds of running into them from other articles is pretty rare |
| 20:08.31 | Bagginsww | you have to actively be searching the RPG category |
| 20:08.51 | Bagginsww | so very few people ever complain LOL |
| 20:08.58 | Teomyr | Bagginsww: the creature in the tft main screen might be a frost wyrm |
| 20:09.10 | winkiller | I must confess I only look at those lore articles that give background to wow stuff |
| 20:09.11 | Bagginsww | frost wyrm swimming? |
| 20:09.32 | Teomyr | or maybe they're abusing a model |
| 20:09.35 | Bagginsww | ya, winkiller they are paranoid that someone off thes street will look up "Leprechaun" |
| 20:09.44 | Bagginsww | and asks alot of questions about them |
| 20:10.02 | Teomyr | there's the file UI\Glues\MainMenu\MainMenu3d_exp\FrostWyrm.blp, along with the other textures |
| 20:10.11 | Teomyr | http://vs157092.vserver.de/wow/FrostWyrm.png |
| 20:10.51 | Bagginsww | and be "confused" and/or misinformed |
| 20:11.10 | Bagginsww | but that's never happened. and the article does point to controsversy to learn more about it :p |
| 20:11.23 | Bagginsww | Only people I've seen complain are a minority :p |
| 20:11.34 | Bagginsww | no one else ever brings it up LOL |
| 20:12.02 | Bagginsww | ya Teomyr, I thought it looked like a frostwyrm tail, but wasn't sure what they were trying to imply by it |
| 20:12.12 | Hobinheim|work | frost wyrm don't siwm... |
| 20:12.18 | Bagginsww | some kind of weird leviathan creature |
| 20:13.11 | winkiller | in a perfect world.. frost wyrms don't swim! |
| 20:13.11 | Bagginsww | well Hobinheim we are refering to the glacier citadel menu ni TFT if you sit around for a while you see a weird bony tale swim out of the water and then dive |
| 20:13.22 | Hobinheim|work | that's my mother in law |
| 20:13.24 | Bagginsww | *bony tail |
| 20:13.27 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 20:13.28 | Hobinheim|work | or some sort of loch ness type thing |
| 20:13.39 | Hobinheim|work | descendent of frost wyrm |
| 20:13.52 | Hobinheim|work | or a retarded frost wyrm that came from the coop |
| 20:14.00 | Hobinheim|work | you know when you click cancel unit, they still get built |
| 20:14.02 | Hobinheim|work | but prematurely |
| 20:14.02 | Teomyr | maybe that's another reference by blizzard... just as mysterious as real nessie |
| 20:14.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Lol, I just blew my nose and .... blew my nose. Ugh. |
| 20:14.18 | Gryphen | o,O |
| 20:14.22 | Teomyr | you blew it, literally? |
| 20:14.27 | Hobinheim|work | so those swimming creatures are the result of players spamming build frost wyrm |
| 20:14.30 | Hobinheim|work | you heard it here first |
| 20:14.37 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 20:14.45 | Hobinheim|work | they're a little "special" if you know what i'm sayin |
| 20:15.09 | *** join/#wowwiki Skosiris (n=sdgdsg@modemcable244.155-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 20:15.09 | Hobinheim|work | they don't really freeze towers, so much as they make the tower operators feel sorry for shooting at them |
| 20:15.15 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+v Skosiris] by ChanServ |
| 20:15.17 | Adys | hey sko |
| 20:15.21 | Skosiris | heya |
| 20:15.27 | Teomyr | hi sko |
| 20:15.30 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 20:15.41 | Skosiris | I can't believe we still got no Remove vote! this is great |
| 20:15.46 | Adys | :P |
| 20:15.57 | Adys | I cant believe AmpWoW still has no Keep vote |
| 20:16.09 | Skosiris | I didn't expect AmpWow to get any |
| 20:16.11 | Hobinheim|work | what's with all the voting O.o |
| 20:16.16 | Adys | WoWHead i had no doubt,t hats why I didnt even bother putting the vote up |
| 20:16.23 | Bagginsww | I've never been to AmpWow |
| 20:16.44 | Bagginsww | I've never weent to WoWHead that much |
| 20:17.16 | Skosiris | Bagginsww: no worries, you will end up switching in the near future |
| 20:17.23 | Hobinheim|work | wow ampwow is getting pwnedz |
| 20:17.30 | Bagginsww | switching? |
| 20:17.36 | Adys | :P |
| 20:17.45 | Skosiris | (assuming you were a big fan of either Thott or Alla) |
| 20:17.47 | Adys | wowhead just needs some "age" |
| 20:17.53 | Hobinheim|work | wow thot and alla are just split |
| 20:17.54 | Bagginsww | I tend to get to alla through google. |
| 20:18.00 | Hobinheim|work | and i'm surprised people dislike thottbot |
| 20:18.02 | Hobinheim|work | thottbot is very jersey |
| 20:18.08 | Hobinheim|work | even if its wrong it still gets the job done |
| 20:18.09 | Bagginsww | so external link in wowwiki isn't that big of a deal |
| 20:18.16 | Hobinheim|work | sorry if you guys abroad don't know jersey |
| 20:18.23 | Hobinheim|work | it's the state americans like making fun of, just outside of NYC |
| 20:18.25 | Hobinheim|work | i'm from jersey |
| 20:18.30 | Bagginsww | I have the most "search engine" problems with thottbot but its handy at times |
| 20:18.31 | Hobinheim|work | if you watch the sopranos, they're from jersey |
| 20:18.33 | winkiller | Skosiris: oh, hey - is there any feedback on bugs reported? didn't see anything like that, just wondered |
| 20:18.40 | winkiller | great work, btw |
| 20:19.14 | MatthewS | lies, it's the state new yorkers make fun of. |
| 20:19.20 | Skosiris | winkiller: there sure is great feedback, we receive several reports every day |
| 20:19.38 | winkiller | Skosiris: err, I meant like - I report a bug and get nothing back :P |
| 20:19.40 | Teomyr | hey skosiris... when are we getting a german wowhead? searching for quests/items by their english name is annoying :P |
| 20:19.43 | Skosiris | all bugs are looked into and misinformation is removed/corrected (QA) |
| 20:19.45 | Hobinheim|work | new yorkers are just jealous because our stuff is cheaper and better |
| 20:19.48 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Daemon they wanted me to completely remove that article, but it has its use for chronicling warcraft 1 and 2 manuals, and now the chess piece, :) |
| 20:20.14 | Bagginsww | so it really an article about the word, and hits heritage to the warcraft universe |
| 20:20.28 | Bagginsww | same thing you'd see in an encyclopedia or dictionary |
| 20:20.34 | winkiller | Skosiris: ah well, great - I just searched under "my profile" and would've been handy to have me report there, because I forgot the exact wording, so I can't check if it's fixed, silly me |
| 20:20.37 | Skosiris | Teomyr: as soon as possible |
| 20:20.50 | Teomyr | :D |
| 20:21.14 | Bagginsww | reminds myself I need to get better screenshots of warcraft 1 and 2 units... hates those Dark Tichon specials... |
| 20:21.19 | Hobinheim|work | hey guys i'll be moving into my own place this weekend |
| 20:21.24 | Hobinheim|work | so hopefully i'll have more time to contribute |
| 20:21.38 | Skosiris | there it is |
| 20:21.38 | Skosiris | Bug report from winkiller |
| 20:21.38 | Skosiris | Hi, just did a search for "warp-storm" because I wanted "Warp-Storm Warblade" and the 1:1 match result isn't anywhere near the top, instead I get "of ten storms" etc.pp - maybe a nit mishandling of - in real composita. |
| 20:21.38 | Skosiris | Neverless, great job - best database as of now, on with the good work :) |
| 20:21.49 | winkiller | Skosiris: thanks :) |
| 20:22.00 | Skosiris | hmm |
| 20:22.12 | Skosiris | http://www.wowhead.com/?search=warp-storm |
| 20:22.16 | winkiller | and seems fixed now, cool |
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| 20:22.37 | Hirakeydos | sera |
| 20:22.40 | Skosiris | I fixed the bug right after I read your mail, I just didn't take the time to reply yet ;) |
| 20:22.45 | Teomyr | hi |
| 20:22.51 | Gryphen | heya |
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| 20:23.01 | Skyfire | weeeeeeee |
| 20:23.22 | winkiller | I wish I hadn't put so much effort into a fan site for another mmo - I'd also be famous by now! :P |
| 20:23.53 | Skosiris | Hey Sky! |
| 20:23.59 | Skyfire | hola hola senor |
| 20:24.03 | Skyfire | como estas? |
| 20:24.03 | Bagginsww | There is literally a reason why I don't give out my real name LOL |
| 20:24.21 | Skyfire | kirkburn, you really need to get rid of the |afk |
| 20:24.23 | Skyfire | -_- |
| 20:24.29 | Kirkburn|afk | I only just got back |
| 20:24.30 | Skosiris | yo esta fine |
| 20:24.35 | Kirkburn|afk | As I said, I blew my nose :) |
| 20:24.37 | Skyfire | lol |
| 20:24.38 | Skosiris | lol |
| 20:24.43 | Skyfire | and i wasn't here... |
| 20:24.46 | Skyfire | >_> |
| 20:24.48 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Cosmos_on_the_Main_Page |
| 20:24.59 | Kirkburn | Beep and Gryphen, AnduinLothar, Tekkub, etc, etc |
| 20:25.02 | Kirkburn | *at |
| 20:25.07 | Skyfire | they don't like you :P |
| 20:26.24 | Kirkburn | I'm leaning towards readding it, but only if I can get people 1). to update the Interface portal 2). to make more people use the portal |
| 20:27.02 | Kirkburn | Tekkub, please note my final sentence. |
| 20:27.14 | Kirkburn | (on the pump) |
| 20:27.17 | Hirakeydos | sorry, anyone speak italian? |
| 20:27.22 | Kirkburn | Un po |
| 20:27.23 | Skosiris | Kirkburn: it would be great if you voted :) |
| 20:27.30 | Skyfire | pft |
| 20:27.36 | Skyfire | you just want it swept, don't you |
| 20:27.39 | Skyfire | i should change my vote |
| 20:27.40 | Skyfire | :P |
| 20:27.47 | Hirakeydos | Kirkburn waw :) senti puoi in query? |
| 20:28.46 | Hirakeydos | ....? |
| 20:28.53 | Gryphen | i dont really want to comment more, i dont really like when sites petition for their status |
| 20:29.33 | Bagginsww | http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/6335034.htm lol |
| 20:31.18 | Skyfire | go baggins |
| 20:31.18 | Skyfire | :] |
| 20:31.21 | Kirkburn | Hirakeydos, you've lost me :O |
| 20:32.15 | Skyfire | you should post on the forums and see if the answer has changed ^^ |
| 20:32.15 | Kirkburn | Gryphen, that's fine |
| 20:32.15 | Skyfire | that question is over a year old. |
| 20:32.31 | Gryphen | keep or remove thottbot kirk? |
| 20:32.32 | Gryphen | lol |
| 20:32.36 | Skyfire | truth |
| 20:32.37 | Skyfire | lol |
| 20:32.46 | Gryphen | remove vote with keep section? |
| 20:32.49 | Gryphen | heh |
| 20:32.51 | Skyfire | :] |
| 20:33.12 | Skyfire | i think it can safely be said that wowhead is staying, and ampwow is not. |
| 20:33.12 | Kirkburn | I voted |
| 20:33.16 | Skyfire | lol |
| 20:33.37 | Kirkburn | I went No on Alla and Amp, Yes to Thott and Wowhead |
| 20:33.43 | Skyfire | then why does thott say, under the Keep section "Remove" |
| 20:33.49 | Gryphen | he fixed |
| 20:33.50 | Kirkburn | Refresh :) |
| 20:33.59 | Skosiris | "Hey, they copied our dark background :P" |
| 20:34.04 | foxlit | Wiki sort of lost the API edge :( |
| 20:34.15 | Skyfire | pft |
| 20:34.18 | Skyfire | who sko? |
| 20:34.20 | Skyfire | us? |
| 20:34.21 | Skyfire | pft |
| 20:34.30 | Gryphen | read comments |
| 20:34.30 | Skosiris | no, we did |
| 20:34.32 | Gryphen | sky |
| 20:34.58 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 20:35.07 | Skosiris | we initially wanted to have a nice brown background like Alla's, but we finally decided to copy Wowwiki's dark background instead |
| 20:35.17 | Kirkburn | I'm am SOOOO glad |
| 20:35.29 | Skyfire | lol |
| 20:35.47 | Kirkburn | Anyway, my reasoning was: Alla is an awful, awful website |
| 20:35.54 | Kirkburn | Amp isn't popular in any form |
| 20:36.04 | Kirkburn | Thott wins from sheer weight of numbers |
| 20:36.16 | Kirkburn | And Wowhead from cleanliness and aims |
| 20:36.19 | Shadowed | Alla is just slow and hard to use, all of the AJAX features they added were poorly implemented =/ |
| 20:36.25 | Skyfire | hira, don't be afraid to speak your mind in here :) |
| 20:36.33 | Skyfire | what seems to be the problem? |
| 20:37.20 | Thrae | Uhh...down with tomatos! |
| 20:37.31 | Hirakeydos | formulas of attack power of all class :S |
| 20:37.37 | Skyfire | <- mage |
| 20:37.38 | Skyfire | :S |
| 20:37.47 | Skyfire | lol |
| 20:37.55 | Skyfire | why? |
| 20:37.55 | Hirakeydos | asd I paladin :P |
| 20:38.37 | foxlit | Interface Customization news last being updated on nov 27 is sad :( |
| 20:39.11 | Gryphen | update it |
| 20:39.12 | Bagginsww | well I took the eyonix quote, and put it into the Warcraft RPG article |
| 20:39.52 | Skyfire | hehe |
| 20:40.08 | Kirkburn | Aye, please, please can a UI guy help update the Interface page |
| 20:40.12 | Bagginsww | Eyonix quote is gold since he's an actual direct blizzard employee |
| 20:40.30 | Bagginsww | we have to be careful what authors themselves claim though |
| 20:40.45 | Bagginsww | sometimes its their own opinions |
| 20:40.50 | Skyfire | i think kitan is stealing my thunder... |
| 20:40.55 | Skyfire | or not |
| 20:41.24 | Skyfire | i think alla and tb are going to be split right down the middle; those votes aren't going to end at this rate |
| 20:41.38 | Skyfire | but ampwow can definitely go |
| 20:41.45 | Kirkburn | If the outcome is a split, then it's up to the admins tbh, and they will probably be kept |
| 20:41.51 | Gryphen | no need to rush it sky |
| 20:41.56 | Gryphen | there is a process in order |
| 20:41.58 | Kirkburn | But aye, no rush |
| 20:42.16 | Skyfire | true |
| 20:42.27 | Skyfire | rushing is fun though! especially with towers |
| 20:42.40 | Kirkburn | Have the votes been advertised anywhere? |
| 20:42.42 | Gryphen | i think planetside |
| 20:42.47 | Gryphen | pump kirk |
| 20:42.53 | Skyfire | village pump* |
| 20:42.54 | Kirkburn | Outside the wiki, I mean :) |
| 20:42.57 | Shadowed | Adys has asked people to vote in here a couple of times :p |
| 20:42.59 | Skyfire | o_0 |
| 20:43.17 | Kirkburn | I'm not asking for outside advertising, I just don't want fanboys |
| 20:43.27 | Adys | mm? |
| 20:43.51 | Skyfire | nothing adys |
| 20:44.07 | Gryphen | think it might be time to consider the no previous contribs but making votes thing |
| 20:44.09 | Kirkburn | Okay, since we're vaguely on the topic on Interface stuff - does anyone think any of the Main Page links that /are/ there can go? |
| 20:44.10 | Shadowed | probably not going to be an issue unless a fanboy actually looks at the voting page and gets other fanboys |
| 20:44.41 | Kirkburn | And is my note "For more, enter the Portal" obvious enough? |
| 20:45.18 | Kirkburn | Should I add a double chevron to that too? |
| 20:45.25 | Skyfire | lern2doublechevron imo |
| 20:45.46 | Kirkburn | Btw, note how I did the same with the guides stuff, I don't think people realised there was a guide page :/ |
| 20:45.59 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Illidan_Stormrage#Lore_vs._Tactics |
| 20:46.00 | Bagginsww | gg |
| 20:46.13 | Bagginsww | we have a role-player |
| 20:46.18 | Bagginsww | someone get the hose :p |
| 20:46.38 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 20:46.56 | Shadowed | It'll just going to get worst once 2.1.0 goes to PTR |
| 20:47.03 | Shadowed | It's* |
| 20:47.03 | Skyfire | "largely formed from the biased Malfurion" lawlawlawl |
| 20:47.20 | Skyfire | oh yes, because it would be a good idea to believe Illidan, eh? |
| 20:47.22 | Bagginsww | If his "role-playing" gets mixed into the main article... well... someone better hold me back... LOL |
| 20:47.33 | Skyfire | don't go blocking him now |
| 20:47.35 | Skyfire | ;P |
| 20:47.35 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, *cough*RPG*cough* |
| 20:47.50 | Skyfire | it's more than an mmo kirkburn |
| 20:47.51 | Kirkburn | ;P |
| 20:47.54 | Bagginsww | I have RPG books haven't role-played in my life LOL |
| 20:47.57 | Bagginsww | big difference |
| 20:47.58 | Skyfire | rpg* |
| 20:48.06 | Skyfire | it's warcraft |
| 20:48.14 | Bagginsww | well except video game RPGS LOL |
| 20:48.17 | Kirkburn | It's a whoooole universe out there! |
| 20:48.18 | Skyfire | it's like star trek or star wars |
| 20:48.26 | Skyfire | its huge, mano |
| 20:48.28 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 20:48.49 | Kirkburn | Btw, I don't think we really have a policy over in-world of out-of-world writing |
| 20:48.59 | Skyfire | oo... |
| 20:49.01 | Bagginsww | The star wars rpg books were considered part of its official universe too |
| 20:49.01 | Skyfire | :x |
| 20:49.09 | Kirkburn | e.g. Memory Alpha writes almost exclusively from an in-world perspective |
| 20:49.15 | Kirkburn | (Star Trek wiki) |
| 20:49.22 | Skyfire | ... |
| 20:49.25 | Skyfire | geek |
| 20:49.28 | Skyfire | :P |
| 20:49.33 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 20:49.35 | Bagginsww | Kirkburn we tend to try to keep things from general POV, neutral as possible. But majority of the sources agree on something we go with that |
| 20:50.05 | Kirkburn | Oh yes, not quite meaning that |
| 20:50.06 | Bagginsww | ya all sources tend to consider Illiden evil, as he's sided with Burning Legion :p |
| 20:50.18 | Skyfire | lol, truth |
| 20:50.29 | Skyfire | but he also has a point |
| 20:50.33 | Kirkburn | It's a hard thing to describe - I mean essentially to decribe things as real and opposed to always as ficticious creations |
| 20:50.35 | Bagginsww | Its kind of hard to give him a happy fluffy spin |
| 20:50.49 | Bagginsww | ahh I see what you mean |
| 20:51.02 | Bagginsww | actually neve rliked wikipedia's warning of "fictional" character alert |
| 20:51.15 | Bagginsww | I mean its always seemed obvious to me :p |
| 20:51.21 | Adys | and no i only "advertised" in the pump |
| 20:51.27 | Kirkburn | I like in-worldy stuff :) |
| 20:51.44 | Skyfire | yeah |
| 20:51.49 | Skyfire | oh boy |
| 20:51.51 | Skyfire | here we go... |
| 20:51.55 | Skyfire | :o |
| 20:51.59 | ALiEN`` | :)) |
| 20:52.02 | Bagginsww | I don't need to be told something is from a "fictional" so and such :p |
| 20:52.12 | Kirkburn | I can't imagine the database sites advertising the vote anyway |
| 20:52.15 | Adys | anyone care to explain how Round Robin works btw? |
| 20:52.21 | Bagginsww | I'd rather get right to the nit and gritty of who the character is supposed to be |
| 20:52.23 | Kirkburn | Can't the wiki? |
| 20:52.42 | Adys | ww doesnt have a page on round robin |
| 20:52.55 | Skyfire | o_0!!! |
| 20:53.03 | Skyfire | maybe it's on the group loot page? |
| 20:53.18 | Shadowed | Adys: Everyone loots one item until everyone else looted something and it resets, including BoP I believe |
| 20:53.19 | winkiller | I love this: http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=finishedtwinkmn6.jpg |
| 20:53.31 | Skyfire | http://www.wowwiki.com/Looting adys |
| 20:53.35 | Adys | thats what i thought too |
| 20:53.37 | Adys | but it doesnt seem to work |
| 20:53.39 | Skyfire | [[group loot]] should be a redirect, imo |
| 20:53.48 | Adys | im using it for obsidian warbeads |
| 20:54.04 | Shadowed | Under round-robin rules, group members take turns looting the monsters that they help the group to kill. Money is automatically divided between group members. |
| 20:54.08 | foxlit | Kirk, what's your opinion on <div style="margin-left: 3%"> on for example [[Burning Crusade]]? |
| 20:54.34 | Shadowed | Probably because obsidian warbeads are party loot |
| 20:54.36 | foxlit | round robin = group loot without rolling on anything |
| 20:54.45 | Skyfire | Burning Crusade =! [[TBC]] |
| 20:54.48 | Adys | so its only on boes? |
| 20:54.55 | Adys | uncommons* |
| 20:54.56 | Kirkburn | If it's a very long and complicated page, maybe, but generally avoid |
| 20:54.56 | foxlit | It redirects |
| 20:55.05 | Skyfire | no it doesn't |
| 20:55.09 | Skyfire | http://www.wowwiki.com/Burning_Crusade |
| 20:55.13 | Skyfire | :] |
| 20:55.25 | foxlit | Oh fs. |
| 20:55.31 | Skyfire | http://www.wowwiki.com/TBC redirects, though |
| 20:55.44 | Kirkburn | Margin left generally fails on popularly edited pages, and is inconsistent |
| 20:56.05 | Kirkburn | It was a wonderful addition to the policy/guidelines pages though |
| 20:56.07 | foxlit | Want to remove it from World_of_Warcraft:_The_Burning_Crusade after rewriting it subtly |
| 20:57.17 | Kirkburn | subtly? |
| 20:57.32 | Kirkburn | If it doesn't help readability, remove |
| 20:57.46 | foxlit | Well, maybe not subtly |
| 20:58.19 | Skyfire | lol |
| 20:58.25 | Skyfire | lern2overhaul, nob |
| 20:58.26 | foxlit | Don't like the page at the moment; it's too compressed and grammar is taking a hit |
| 20:58.28 | Skyfire | nub* |
| 20:58.43 | foxlit | l2spell |
| 20:58.52 | Skyfire | lern2takethejoke |
| 20:59.17 | foxlit | l2...soemthing! |
| 20:59.45 | Skyfire | i realize the "nub" should have an entirely different connotation, however, it would seem MMO players now use it for the derogatory word, "newbie" |
| 20:59.54 | Skyfire | now there's an interesting word |
| 21:00.02 | foxlit | newbie isn't deregatory? |
| 21:00.07 | Kirkburn | Nope |
| 21:00.07 | Bagginsww | rub a nub for good luck :p |
| 21:00.11 | Kirkburn | Noob is |
| 21:00.22 | Kirkburn | Newbie is an affectionate term |
| 21:00.23 | Skyfire | newbie -> newb -> noob -> n00b / nub |
| 21:00.28 | Skyfire | eh, w/e |
| 21:00.30 | Bagginsww | nooblette |
| 21:00.35 | Skyfire | too fancy |
| 21:00.37 | Skyfire | pft |
| 21:00.54 | Skyfire | btw, no females exist on the internet. so where would you use that? ;P |
| 21:01.15 | Bagginsww | its to insulte guys |
| 21:01.17 | Bagginsww | *insult |
| 21:01.29 | Skyfire | ugh spelling. |
| 21:01.39 | Skyfire | i've never heard it before... |
| 21:01.42 | Kirkburn | Who killed my wiki? |
| 21:01.43 | Skyfire | i wonder.. |
| 21:01.57 | Bagginsww | kills person who killed wiki :p |
| 21:02.04 | Teomyr | anyone else having difficulties logging in to icq? |
| 21:02.58 | Skyfire | not me |
| 21:03.02 | Skyfire | its not dead |
| 21:03.11 | Skyfire | your internet is silly. |
| 21:03.32 | Teomyr | yes it is |
| 21:03.56 | Teomyr | i can use a packet monitor to check the login sequence |
| 21:04.03 | Teomyr | it just stops at some point oO |
| 21:05.32 | Kirkburn | Bleeter, you're Normal no? I never remember |
| 21:05.40 | Bleeter | Kirkburn: aye |
| 21:05.59 | Bagginsww | What is "normal"? |
| 21:06.00 | Skyfire | we've all seen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:ROUGE , right? (hint hint) |
| 21:06.05 | Bleeter | sorry for the coffeeless rant, I hope some of it (a) makes sense (b) is relevant ;) |
| 21:06.17 | Kirkburn | Skyfire, we have now :P |
| 21:06.23 | Tekkub | I hate people that can't use one nick consistantly |
| 21:06.24 | Tekkub | :) |
| 21:06.41 | Teomyr | you're normal? bastard! i thought you were part of our community |
| 21:06.49 | Bleeter | Tekkub: ah, well, if you would bother to stop and here the story... :P |
| 21:06.57 | Bleeter | *hear |
| 21:07.01 | Kirkburn | Bleeter, interesting, but I dislike the "giving credit" side |
| 21:07.05 | Tekkub | nope, no hearing :) |
| 21:07.10 | Skyfire | I can't consistantly use the same nick... |
| 21:07.15 | Skyfire | what are you accusing me of? |
| 21:07.17 | Skyfire | huh?! |
| 21:07.20 | Tekkub | pick a less common, er, "Normal" nick |
| 21:07.21 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 21:07.44 | Sky2042 | eh? |
| 21:07.48 | Sky2042 | what you think about that?! |
| 21:08.06 | *** kick/#wowwiki [Sky2042!n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/Tekkub] by Tekkub (That's what I think MUAHAHAHAHAHA!) |
| 21:08.06 | *** join/#wowwiki Sky2042 (n=rawsonat@c-76-105-193-92.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 21:08.09 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 21:08.12 | Sky2042 | bastard |
| 21:08.13 | Teomyr | lol |
| 21:08.14 | Sky2042 | pft |
| 21:08.32 | Kirkburn | Added Cosmos and Hosted AddOn Pages to the Interface Cust. page. Since no-one else has. |
| 21:08.37 | Teomyr | i think tekkub's the only one to ever make use of the /kick function here |
| 21:08.55 | Tekkub | gotta stay in practice |
| 21:08.55 | Skyfire | i've been kicked for being pertinent with sancus before |
| 21:09.00 | Kirkburn | Seriously, someone, poke at http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_Customization |
| 21:09.09 | Tekkub | otherwise wouldn't know what to do wi th a real troll |
| 21:09.10 | Kirkburn | pertinent? Impertinent, surely?! |
| 21:09.15 | Skyfire | the latter |
| 21:09.18 | Bagginsww | so rustak is the person to contact if I want ogg support added? |
| 21:09.19 | Skyfire | blgh |
| 21:09.28 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, yes |
| 21:09.58 | Tekkub | I know AL will hate me saying it.... |
| 21:10.11 | Tekkub | but shouldn't the cosmos libs be grouped into one there? |
| 21:10.22 | Tekkub | why they get Sea and Telepathy on the page, huh? |
| 21:10.33 | Tekkub | Give Dongle a spot! |
| 21:10.42 | Skyfire | dum dum dummmmmmm |
| 21:10.55 | Kirkburn | Sky is dead, anyway? |
| 21:10.59 | Bleeter | ogg support? to the website? |
| 21:11.16 | Tekkub | and where's [[User Defined Functions]] on this? |
| 21:11.20 | Kirkburn | Tekkub, if you have Dongle stuff on the wiki, add the link |
| 21:11.26 | Tekkub | [[Dongle]] |
| 21:11.39 | Kirkburn | And for flibble's sake, just add links to the page, they can be sorted and complained about later |
| 21:11.55 | Bleeter | Bagginsww: ogg support? to the website? you sure you want that? 'coz Apple Macs hate teh ogg |
| 21:12.03 | Kirkburn | One Cosmos lib was/is called Sky |
| 21:12.04 | Tekkub | but I _want_ to complain till someone else does it |
| 21:12.09 | Kirkburn | Bbl, watching Blackadder |
| 21:12.14 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: All I have to say, is I don't get the argument that sheer volume somehow denotes "importance" or "relevance". I could document 75 different addons, but if people don't use them, or they have direct links from somewhere else, then links on the main page mean nothing |
| 21:12.16 | Bleeter | Kirkburn: BoB! |
| 21:12.18 | Tekkub | it was as big as the whole sky! |
| 21:12.29 | Gryphen | Sky can probably be nuked |
| 21:12.37 | Skyfire | ruh roh |
| 21:12.46 | Skyfire | I thought there was a Sky2...? |
| 21:12.49 | Tekkub | Clad's right, what if Ace just copy/pasted their addon pages in |
| 21:13.02 | Tekkub | suddenly they have volume too |
| 21:13.08 | Kirkburn|afk | cladhaire, others, I'll be back later, chat without me :) |
| 21:13.17 | Tekkub | NO! |
| 21:13.19 | Tekkub | NOW! |
| 21:13.22 | Tekkub | MUAHAHAHA! |
| 21:13.26 | Tekkub | I need caffine... |
| 21:13.39 | Skyfire | gtfo then and get yourself a coke or some coffee |
| 21:14.00 | cladhaire | Tekkub: you're being silly now.. shush. |
| 21:14.06 | Tekkub | *growl* |
| 21:14.13 | cladhaire | Tekkub: you're just making counter-points, trying to get someone to argue with you |
| 21:14.14 | cladhaire | qq |
| 21:14.29 | cladhaire | constructive arguments or criticism ftw. |
| 21:14.32 | Tekkub | quiet you, you're just trying to make me look like an ass |
| 21:14.43 | Bleeter | no need to try to make you.... |
| 21:14.47 | cladhaire | no, you're doing a good job on your own |
| 21:14.47 | Bleeter | :P |
| 21:14.49 | Skyfire | uh... |
| 21:14.52 | Skyfire | Tekkub |
| 21:14.54 | Skyfire | you... |
| 21:14.56 | Skyfire | are... |
| 21:14.59 | Tekkub | no, you're going out of your way to point it out :P |
| 21:15.04 | cladhaire | i don't need to |
| 21:15.05 | Bagginsww | so I wonder if there is a Furbolg word list somewhere in the game files. |
| 21:15.06 | cladhaire | it comes naturally |
| 21:15.10 | Tekkub | yet you do anyway |
| 21:15.45 | *** kick/#wowwiki [Skyfire!n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/Tekkub] by Tekkub (happy now?) |
| 21:15.45 | *** join/#wowwiki Skyfire (n=rawsonat@c-76-105-193-92.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 21:15.45 | Skyfire | yup |
| 21:15.45 | cladhaire | its okday |
| 21:15.45 | Tekkub | ask and ye shall receive! |
| 21:15.45 | Bagginsww | bleeter Ogg is apparently the only sound file that Wiki's allow |
| 21:15.45 | Skyfire | I'm pretty sure you're happier now too. |
| 21:15.45 | Bleeter | Bagginsww: ooh, now there's an article series idea... 'around azeroth in 100 furbolgs'... you could do Murlocs too :) |
| 21:15.45 | cladhaire | i can kick him in 3-4 other channels =) |
| 21:16.19 | Bleeter | Bagginsww: yerk, well you have a problem then ;) |
| 21:16.20 | AnduinLothar | Tekkub: exclusive content was the key argument, not pure volume. And I'd rather document this discussion on the pump so I can poiont people too it, rather then it getting lost here. |
| 21:16.20 | Bagginsww | they need to add MP3 upload support |
| 21:16.57 | Gryphen | need? |
| 21:16.57 | Skyfire | lern 2 aac |
| 21:16.57 | Skyfire | nublet! |
| 21:16.58 | Skyfire | ah, there's another one. |
| 21:16.58 | Tekkub | *shrug* Dongle's is exclusive as well |
| 21:16.58 | Tekkub | don't assume Dongle is Ace :) |
| 21:17.25 | Skyfire | AL does have a point about a timestamped popularpages page |
| 21:17.29 | Skyfire | :/ |
| 21:17.30 | AnduinLothar | right, i stand corrected, last time i checked dongle was all on google |
| 21:17.30 | Gryphen | nothing is saying dongle or ace cant be there |
| 21:17.36 | Skyfire | I mean, ZG is still on that list. |
| 21:17.37 | Gryphen | the topic is cosmos |
| 21:17.42 | Gryphen | and why it cant be there |
| 21:17.43 | MatthewS | you can configure mediawiki to use mp3 really easily |
| 21:17.47 | Tekkub | we moved off google, wiki was tooooooo simple |
| 21:17.47 | MatthewS | question is just, do you want to |
| 21:18.03 | Tekkub | and we like dah wahwweekeez |
| 21:18.04 | AnduinLothar | well i would fight ace purely because it has no wiki content, but i have no problem with dongle |
| 21:18.12 | AnduinLothar | wowwiki content* |
| 21:18.31 | Tekkub | fight ace all ya want, I'm not gonna put up a fight there |
| 21:18.42 | Tekkub | they have their own wiki anyway, they prolly don't care |
| 21:18.46 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: I'm not fighting you here, I'm just not sure I find all the arguments relevant |
| 21:18.48 | cladhaire | and not just from you |
| 21:18.53 | AnduinLothar | thus why ace wasn't in question till you brought it up :P |
| 21:18.54 | cladhaire | (And i'm posting my thought son the wiki too) |
| 21:19.12 | Tekkub | :P~~~ |
| 21:19.20 | Tekkub | on a side note... |
| 21:19.25 | Tekkub | lets fill http://www.wowwiki.com/User_Defined_Functions up a bit |
| 21:19.33 | Tekkub | need more clipart code snipets! |
| 21:19.56 | Tekkub | gonna drop all the bits of DongleUtils in there, since we decided to make it into snippets instead of an embed |
| 21:20.38 | AnduinLothar | want me to cut and paste Sea to made myself hypocritical? |
| 21:20.46 | AnduinLothar | make* |
| 21:21.05 | Tekkub | is sea a tiny utilitarian function? |
| 21:21.19 | AnduinLothar | some of them are, yes |
| 21:21.26 | Tekkub | then by all means add them |
| 21:21.38 | Tekkub | this is what I'm talking about really: http://www.wowwiki.com/ColorGradient |
| 21:21.51 | Tekkub | handy, but not used in a lot of things so not needed in a lib |
| 21:21.55 | AnduinLothar | in fact Sea was the origonal compositte of small utilitarian functions before any libs existed |
| 21:22.05 | Tekkub | or... http://www.wowwiki.com/RGBToHex |
| 21:22.06 | AnduinLothar | that IS IN sea |
| 21:22.09 | AnduinLothar | both |
| 21:22.16 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 21:22.17 | Tekkub | super simple, but something I always forget how to do |
| 21:22.19 | AnduinLothar | maybe not gradient |
| 21:22.58 | Tekkub | the idea is to make it so you don't need a big lib for one handy function, but they're still easy to find and use |
| 21:23.21 | AnduinLothar | ok, but before wowwiki there was Sea. |
| 21:23.29 | AnduinLothar | it WAS where you looked |
| 21:23.42 | Tekkub | well, you're using past tense :) |
| 21:23.47 | Tekkub | and not everyone looked at sea |
| 21:24.04 | Tekkub | so lets put the good bits in a common place? |
| 21:24.19 | AnduinLothar | right, but if you'd looked there you';d have found Sea.string.colorToString and Sea.string.stringToColor |
| 21:24.20 | Tekkub | and leave the big fluffy bits for a big fluffy lib! |
| 21:24.41 | AnduinLothar | or Sea.math.rgbaFromHex |
| 21:24.50 | AnduinLothar | or Sea.math.intFromHex |
| 21:25.29 | AnduinLothar | but this is besides the point. you're just leading the argument astray |
| 21:25.40 | Tekkub | :P |
| 21:25.47 | Tekkub | the wiki is the common place |
| 21:25.57 | AnduinLothar | founded by Cosmos members |
| 21:26.07 | Skyfire | and? |
| 21:26.10 | Tekkub | sea might be great and have everything you'd ever need, but not all devs are going to go for it |
| 21:26.28 | Tekkub | so why not use the wiki for good stuff that we'll all agree on? |
| 21:26.41 | Gryphen | like Dongle |
| 21:26.49 | AnduinLothar | they don't need to go for it, they jsut need to know it exists so they can steal its code, the same way they steal code from you function list |
| 21:26.53 | Tekkub | no, not dongle |
| 21:27.08 | Tekkub | uhm... |
| 21:27.17 | Tekkub | okey you're totally missing the point AL |
| 21:27.18 | Thrae | What the hell are you all talking about |
| 21:27.28 | AnduinLothar | and if you have to click through 5 pages to get to it you aren't going to unless you ALREADY know it exists |
| 21:27.39 | Tekkub | they could "steal" from sea, or they could SHARE their code on the wiki |
| 21:27.41 | cladhaire | Which is no different from the user defined functions |
| 21:28.01 | Tekkub | or read thru how many lines of code in sky? |
| 21:28.03 | cladhaire | so anything "important" needs to be on the front page, for some value of "important" |
| 21:28.05 | Thrae | I scrolled up and all I can't tell if this is a discussion about Cosmos specifically, or about Cosmos linkage on the wiki |
| 21:28.11 | Tekkub | sky/sea/whichever one it is |
| 21:28.12 | AnduinLothar | sky is dead, stop hating |
| 21:28.13 | cladhaire | Thrae: yes, and no |
| 21:28.15 | cladhaire | Thrae: lol |
| 21:28.23 | cladhaire | you shoudl check out the village pump |
| 21:28.25 | AnduinLothar | and Sea is subsectioned even better than the iwki |
| 21:28.28 | cladhaire | thats where the conversation is actually happening. |
| 21:28.53 | Skyfire | wtb someone random... oh wait. |
| 21:28.56 | Skyfire | i know what. |
| 21:29.05 | Tekkub | okey well, whatever.... contribte from sea if ya want |
| 21:29.11 | Tekkub | or don't, it's not a matter |
| 21:29.17 | AnduinLothar | i dont want. i'd rather sea was excessable |
| 21:29.24 | Tekkub | everyone else... add bits! :) |
| 21:29.41 | AnduinLothar | but Sea is only a secondary argument |
| 21:29.50 | AnduinLothar | my primary argument was the wowwiki content |
| 21:30.03 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: Everything would want to be accessible on the front page.. why should Sea be there, and not user defined functions.. and if user defined functions, then why not X, or Y? |
| 21:30.04 | Tekkub | primary arguement to what? |
| 21:30.10 | Tekkub | "give cosmos links"? |
| 21:30.32 | Tekkub | that's not even what I've been talking about.... |
| 21:30.42 | AnduinLothar | clad, sea didn't have a link. it had a 2ndary link, you had to go through the functions lib link |
| 21:30.46 | cladhaire | i can't handle this conversation tonight.. too much work to do. |
| 21:30.51 | AnduinLothar | now you have to go through 5 links |
| 21:31.05 | *** join/#wowwiki DuTempete (n=DuTempet@c-69-243-137-249.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 21:31.09 | cladhaire | no, its two |
| 21:31.13 | cladhaire | exaggerartion does not help your case. |
| 21:31.18 | AnduinLothar | where? |
| 21:31.19 | cladhaire | i go to the portal, and under function libraries, is Sea |
| 21:31.21 | cladhaire | simple |
| 21:31.22 | cladhaire | two clicks. |
| 21:31.39 | cladhaire | if you use the portal, as Kirkburn suggested, its intuitive, and everything has its first level link, as expected. |
| 21:31.54 | cladhaire | trust me, i completely understand what you're saying |
| 21:31.59 | AnduinLothar | i see Hosted_AddOn_Pages > Cosmos > Cosmos_AddOns > Sea from the main page |
| 21:32.17 | cladhaire | If you go that way, |
| 21:32.17 | cladhaire | sure |
| 21:32.27 | cladhaire | Kirkburn specifically TOLD you to go to the portal, and asks you to go to the portal. |
| 21:32.37 | cladhaire | and you have a first level link there. |
| 21:32.37 | cladhaire | to Sea, AND cosmos. |
| 21:32.41 | Tekkub | counterarguement! http://www.wowwiki.com/Sea |
| 21:32.42 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 21:32.56 | cladhaire | I could give you a fifteen level path to get to Sea as well, that doesn't mean its what people shoudl be using |
| 21:32.58 | Tekkub | http://www.wowwiki.com/<type page name here> |
| 21:33.02 | AnduinLothar | ok, I didn't see that link |
| 21:33.20 | cladhaire | well kirkburn linked it very early in the argument. |
| 21:33.23 | cladhaire | that's why i've been so confused. |
| 21:33.29 | cladhaire | It does need to be blue |
| 21:33.31 | cladhaire | instead of white |
| 21:33.39 | cladhaire | but the "Interface Customization Portal" header is a link as well |
| 21:33.40 | Gryphen | a link directly to the portal doesnt show where it is on the front page |
| 21:33.44 | AnduinLothar | yeah white != link |
| 21:34.01 | cladhaire | "Portal" needs to be a blue link there |
| 21:34.02 | AnduinLothar | and thos elittle arrows dont help enough |
| 21:34.17 | AnduinLothar | plus most of the other white links are auto gen'd pages |
| 21:34.27 | Tekkub | in all truth, I don't use the front page at all |
| 21:34.32 | cladhaire | yes, but this is now a different discussion |
| 21:34.33 | cladhaire | you see? |
| 21:34.37 | Tekkub | I know where my ONE link is, API docs |
| 21:34.49 | Thrae | I just type in www.wowwiki.com/Tekkub and follow the train from there! |
| 21:34.55 | AnduinLothar | yes clad, but it is the same problem |
| 21:34.56 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.07 | Tekkub | chugga chugga woo woo ! |
| 21:35.10 | AnduinLothar | the problem is that content is harder to get to |
| 21:35.28 | cladhaire | No, its that your content is one step harder than it used to |
| 21:35.35 | cladhaire | incidentally putting it at the same level as everything else. |
| 21:35.46 | Thrae | Damn you Tekkub! |
| 21:35.59 | Tekkub | ? |
| 21:36.05 | AnduinLothar | that is what makes me passionate, but it isn't the main problem |
| 21:36.16 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: If you want it to be reachable, and findable, then categorize it properly |
| 21:36.22 | cladhaire | a link on the main page won't magically fix everything |
| 21:36.34 | AnduinLothar | then what is the main page for? |
| 21:36.36 | AnduinLothar | define it |
| 21:36.45 | Tekkub | and giving favor to one group is very much not NPOV |
| 21:36.55 | cladhaire | To link to other parts of the wiki, in a way that makes sense to the users |
| 21:36.58 | cladhaire | that means by category |
| 21:37.02 | AnduinLothar | favoring your own content is 'bad'? |
| 21:37.07 | cladhaire | there are five "World" categories |
| 21:37.19 | Gryphen | have others been denied Tekkub? |
| 21:37.35 | Gryphen | i havent seen any petitions |
| 21:37.36 | Tekkub | denied, no |
| 21:37.37 | cladhaire | the UI content on the front page is being whittled down |
| 21:37.39 | cladhaire | this is a good thing. |
| 21:37.49 | Tekkub | but giving preference is still not neutral |
| 21:37.53 | cladhaire | because, it means we can have more meaningful categorization on teh UI portal page |
| 21:38.00 | cladhaire | that is NOT a bad thing, its actually quite good. |
| 21:38.13 | AnduinLothar | tekkub, would you rather that the wiki not have addons on it at all? |
| 21:38.15 | Gryphen | its not prefrence, it is opinion, anyone is open to have the same opinion about the others, however they dont |
| 21:38.34 | Thrae | If we're talking about the main page, I believe that should be reserved for "root" catagories and popular sub-catagories |
| 21:38.36 | AnduinLothar | because preference is given to the people who contribute |
| 21:39.02 | AnduinLothar | this is the main argument agaisnt wikis as 'news' |
| 21:39.18 | cladhaire | The wiki already has too much UI front page stuff as it is. |
| 21:39.26 | cladhaire | I do not see why Cosmos should get a main link on the main page, plain and simple. |
| 21:39.33 | Tekkub | the wiki has just plain too much stuff on the main page |
| 21:39.59 | AnduinLothar | then maybe someone should make easily automatable customizable homepages |
| 21:40.01 | Gryphen | well the goal of cosmos was to be a source for developers to user and contribute to |
| 21:40.04 | cladhaire | s/Cosmos/Any library-addon-compilation/ |
| 21:40.06 | Gryphen | use* |
| 21:40.10 | AnduinLothar | that show linsk to what you commonly use |
| 21:40.15 | cladhaire | Gryphen: grats.. thats fine.. |
| 21:40.17 | Gryphen | but everyone wanted to do their own thing |
| 21:40.21 | cladhaire | Okay |
| 21:40.21 | cladhaire | stop |
| 21:40.22 | cladhaire | right now. |
| 21:40.34 | cladhaire | lets not get on the "no one wanted to help improve cosmos, they just wanted to bitch and moan" |
| 21:40.35 | Tekkub | complication FTW! |
| 21:40.38 | cladhaire | thats the world, amd thats the open source world. |
| 21:40.39 | cladhaire | period. |
| 21:40.46 | cladhaire | you can't complain abotu that, and use that as a basis for anything |
| 21:40.57 | Tekkub | personalized home page is pointless... |
| 21:41.01 | Gryphen | it is the basis for a lot of bias, its unavoidable |
| 21:41.06 | Tekkub | users can just use their user home page |
| 21:41.10 | cladhaire | present a valid case for why Cosmos should go on the front page, stop talking about history, stop talking about founder, anything.. why from a content perspective, does it belong on the front page |
| 21:41.12 | AnduinLothar | do they? |
| 21:41.17 | AnduinLothar | and why not? |
| 21:41.48 | AnduinLothar | Cosmos has at least 1/3 the UI content on wowwiki? |
| 21:41.52 | cladhaire | so? |
| 21:41.53 | AnduinLothar | that good enough? |
| 21:41.55 | cladhaire | I( can make Dongle have 1/3 of the content. |
| 21:42.02 | AnduinLothar | "why from a content perspective, does it belong on the front page" |
| 21:42.10 | cladhaire | is the content used? |
| 21:42.16 | foxlit | wait, are you counting API_ docs pages? |
| 21:42.17 | Tekkub | copy/paste ace's wiki in, that's a lot of content too |
| 21:42.17 | cladhaire | and if its used, is it not directly linked? |
| 21:42.32 | AnduinLothar | you said nothign about usage and no usage can be proven except over the entire existanc eof the wiki |
| 21:42.39 | cladhaire | is http://www.wowwiki.com/Cosmos harder than going to wowwiki.com and clicking on Cosmos? |
| 21:42.51 | cladhaire | no, its not. |
| 21:42.56 | cladhaire | your issue is one of exposure |
| 21:43.04 | Tekkub | exactly |
| 21:43.05 | cladhaire | if its there, someone will click on it, and maybe find something useful, is your hope. |
| 21:43.10 | cladhaire | Thats' great |
| 21:43.21 | cladhaire | but, then you'd want even more for peopel to use the UI portal instead of the main page |
| 21:43.29 | Thrae | If /Cosmos is popular enough, wouldn't it go under the "Popular Catagories" section? |
| 21:43.29 | cladhaire | because you already have all your libraries individually linked there |
| 21:43.34 | cladhaire | and a bunch of other stuff. |
| 21:43.44 | Tekkub | contributions is not a valid arguement... we ALL contribute to the wiki, it is ALL ours, there is no favor towards one group because they've given more |
| 21:43.44 | cladhaire | the UI portal is good, if you're not catching my drift |
| 21:44.00 | AnduinLothar | fine. make it jsut the portal then |
| 21:44.01 | Tekkub | there is no 'I' in community |
| 21:44.01 | Tekkub | ! |
| 21:44.08 | Tekkub | *hides the 'I' |
| 21:44.42 | AnduinLothar | why do the api pages and macro pages need exposure? |
| 21:45.04 | Tekkub | because more devs go to the API than a specific library? |
| 21:45.11 | Tekkub | and many many more users go to the macros |
| 21:45.31 | AnduinLothar | heck, the api page is the only one i know of, why not jsut bookmark it? |
| 21:45.31 | cladhaire | they don't, any more than "Lore" does.. |
| 21:45.31 | cladhaire | but more than "Cosmos" does. |
| 21:45.39 | AnduinLothar | cant those users chick through the portal? |
| 21:45.48 | cladhaire | Yes they can. |
| 21:45.52 | cladhaire | and a line has to be drawn |
| 21:46.12 | cladhaire | I think the correct line has been drawn, and I'd even support more being removed from the front page. |
| 21:46.19 | cladhaire | if people actually looked here: http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_Customization |
| 21:46.26 | cladhaire | there are pages that almost no one has seen |
| 21:46.33 | cladhaire | but they are extremely useful. |
| 21:46.41 | AnduinLothar | no one does, and why is that? |
| 21:47.04 | Tekkub | because the portal isn't getting the main page space it should? |
| 21:47.13 | cladhaire | because UI people go to the wiki to look at the widget and the api reference |
| 21:47.29 | DuTempete | Tekkub, does the wiki have a page visits counter? |
| 21:47.48 | Tekkub | aye, only thing I ever click on the main page is [[World of Warcraft API]] |
| 21:47.52 | Tekkub | no clue DuT |
| 21:48.05 | AnduinLothar | ok, and why don't you jsut have that page bookmarked? |
| 21:48.07 | Tekkub | oh, and [[Events (API)]] |
| 21:48.16 | AnduinLothar | or the portal bookmarked |
| 21:48.20 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: I do.. |
| 21:48.21 | Tekkub | cause I'm not much of a bookmarker |
| 21:48.22 | AnduinLothar | that has both those links |
| 21:48.22 | cladhaire | smartass =0 |
| 21:48.27 | cladhaire | and we're not talking about me |
| 21:48.29 | AnduinLothar | was askign tek |
| 21:48.32 | Tekkub | I have a single bookmark to the wiki |
| 21:48.34 | DuTempete | Wanna solve this argument? Get a visit counter, and write a bot that changes the links on the main page to the three most visited for a particular week/month |
| 21:48.35 | cladhaire | we're talking about linking Cosmos on the front page |
| 21:48.39 | Tekkub | I know where to go from there |
| 21:48.47 | AnduinLothar | same here, i onyl have 1 bookmark and i have hundreds of bookmarks... |
| 21:48.52 | AnduinLothar | 1 wowwiki bookmark |
| 21:49.05 | Tekkub | I have no real reason for having any certain page marked |
| 21:49.14 | Tekkub | I navigate mostly with the top and sidebars |
| 21:49.36 | Tekkub | and the API pages are there on the main page, it's just habit in the end |
| 21:49.40 | DuTempete | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:DuTempete#Quicklinks_for_me |
| 21:49.53 | Tekkub | yup DuT |
| 21:50.02 | Tekkub | I just don't have many pages I need marked :) |
| 21:50.16 | AnduinLothar | ok so if everyone can make their own custom linked page then the main page is ONLY for exposure, then right? |
| 21:50.17 | Tekkub | API, Watchlist, VilPump |
| 21:50.35 | Tekkub | AL, I'll make one compromise to you |
| 21:50.39 | cladhaire | the main page is for categorization |
| 21:50.41 | Thrae | I've always thought WoWWiki was a non-specific Wiki about World of Warcraft. Why would Cosmos go on the main page? That's pretty specific. |
| 21:50.42 | Tekkub | *points at "Tip of the day" |
| 21:50.50 | Tekkub | how about "Addon of the day"? |
| 21:50.53 | DuTempete | Not every user has make their own userpage, and nobody has a userpage when they first register... nor does everyone register |
| 21:51.11 | Tekkub | then you can have your front page goodness, but it's still fair to others that want it too |
| 21:51.29 | DuTempete | how about "Spell of the day"? and "Talent of the day", and "NPC of the day"? |
| 21:51.35 | DuTempete | that's a slippery slope |
| 21:51.38 | cladhaire | "Lore of the day" for sure =) |
| 21:51.42 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 21:51.49 | Tekkub | Class of the day |
| 21:51.52 | Tekkub | no rogues |
| 21:51.56 | Tekkub | full on rogues |
| 21:51.56 | DuTempete | that's what the most frequently visited pages box is for |
| 21:52.18 | cladhaire | Its simple, the front page of the wiki is to help categorize things, and link news and featured articles (as the current state of the wiki exists) |
| 21:52.38 | DuTempete | "Popular Pages" it's called, on the sidebar |
| 21:52.39 | cladhaire | it also provides "about" the wiki information, and helps direct users to the right area of the wiki |
| 21:52.58 | cladhaire | tho some of it confuses the hell out of me =) |
| 21:53.10 | DuTempete | It's like a Table of Contents |
| 21:53.15 | AnduinLothar | why not have a second catigorization page that is more 'fair' |
| 21:53.21 | cladhaire | like "World".. goes to a page defining world, and talking about worlds.. and you can't get to "Lore" from "World" but on the front page, "Lore" is under "World" |
| 21:53.29 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: For who's definition of fair? |
| 21:53.34 | AnduinLothar | exactly |
| 21:53.37 | cladhaire | you already ahve it, in the Portal |
| 21:53.42 | Tekkub | I think some of those links are filler to make all the sections even :P |
| 21:53.44 | AnduinLothar | no no, i mean for everything |
| 21:53.54 | AnduinLothar | yes tek |
| 21:54.09 | cladhaire | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category |
| 21:54.12 | AnduinLothar | who visists the gameplay >events page regularly? |
| 21:54.29 | AnduinLothar | why isn't the macro link bigger? |
| 21:54.44 | Thrae | AnduinLothar: Instead of trying to remove all bias and make the main page into a logical structure, you propose to catagorize 'so everything is fair'? |
| 21:54.48 | AnduinLothar | why aren't isntance guides highlighted? |
| 21:55.09 | cladhaire | What are you arguing now? |
| 21:55.10 | cladhaire | i'm confused. |
| 21:55.12 | DuTempete | Wait... now I'm confused, are we talking about the main page? |
| 21:55.16 | Tekkub | I am too |
| 21:55.40 | AnduinLothar | fair in terms of two things, popularity/usage contribution |
| 21:55.52 | AnduinLothar | with an & in there |
| 21:56.04 | AnduinLothar | rather than abstract hierachy |
| 21:56.06 | cladhaire | at what level? |
| 21:56.19 | cladhaire | caiuse i can guarantee you there are lore authors who have contributed at least as much as you have to the wiki. |
| 21:56.21 | cladhaire | whether you like that, or not. |
| 21:56.28 | AnduinLothar | fine then |
| 21:56.32 | AnduinLothar | make lore bigger |
| 21:56.35 | cladhaire | and others who have the same amount as you, but the quality means nothing. |
| 21:56.38 | Tekkub | the thing of all this hubbub is, nomrmal wiki articles are'nt fighting for "advertising" like the addon pages seem to be |
| 21:56.46 | DuTempete | You're upset because the General cats listed on the main page, that have more root cats than what fits on the main page, aren't "fairly" listed? As in what links you can see, and what links you have to go to the portal for? |
| 21:56.49 | Tekkub | hosted addon pages is kinda.... unique |
| 21:56.55 | DuTempete | Is that right? |
| 21:57.31 | cladhaire | if you want "fair" for some value of "fair".. then you feel a sense of entitlement, where there should be none. |
| 21:58.06 | Tekkub | emr... etitlement... that sums it all up perfectly... I hate when clad finds the right word before I do |
| 21:58.10 | DuTempete | Last time I checked, WoW Wiki's purpose isn't advertisement... |
| 21:58.31 | Thrae | I think AnduinLothar's main point is that contribution should be a factor in catagorization, while cladhaire and Tekkub say it should be an intuitive, logical structure. |
| 21:58.44 | AnduinLothar | you're thinkign of the Cosmos link as a link to http://www.cosmosui.org/forums/ |
| 21:58.48 | AnduinLothar | it's not |
| 21:58.53 | AnduinLothar | never was |
| 21:58.57 | cladhaire | No, that's not what I'm thinking |
| 21:59.01 | cladhaire | you feel entitled to something from the wiki |
| 21:59.02 | cladhaire | I say you're not. |
| 21:59.06 | cladhaire | that's what I'm saying. |
| 21:59.12 | DuTempete | Doesn't have to link to the website in order to advertise itself |
| 21:59.15 | cladhaire | The wiki is meant to organize information in an intelligent way. |
| 21:59.21 | cladhaire | not anythign other than that. |
| 21:59.30 | DuTempete | in an intuitive way |
| 21:59.57 | Tekkub | cosmos is no more entitled to a main page link than any other addon page is |
| 22:00.13 | AnduinLothar | that's hierachy speaking |
| 22:00.13 | cladhaire | I don't have much else to say other than that, and Im' fine with whatever is decided |
| 22:00.15 | Tekkub | we _ALL_ contribute to the wiki |
| 22:00.35 | DuTempete | I see the main page as a ToC... w/ nothing at all to do with visit frequency or contribution frequency |
| 22:00.38 | AnduinLothar | if the main page is FOR hierachy, then fine. make it hierachy and get rid of all the sub links |
| 22:00.43 | Tekkub | and *most* of us don't ask for special treatment due to our contributions |
| 22:00.53 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: it is hierarchy.. you just don't like whats displayed. |
| 22:01.26 | DuTempete | Oh, I deserve special treatment... The Warlock Category should take up a minimum of 70% of the front page. NOW DAMNIT! |
| 22:01.31 | DuTempete | =P |
| 22:01.41 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: its about displaying information in an intuitive way.. right? |
| 22:01.41 | Tekkub | pfft, fuck locks |
| 22:01.43 | AnduinLothar | and i've also lost my support it seems. fine I'll just curl up and die. |
| 22:01.43 | cladhaire | agree, disagree? |
| 22:01.44 | DuTempete | Or the Warlocks will PWN you! |
| 22:02.06 | Gryphen | not only contributions but reciprocal traffic, cosmos drives all traffic to the wiki |
| 22:02.23 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Bragus |
| 22:02.23 | cladhaire | Why should that matter? |
| 22:02.27 | cladhaire | it shoudl be about displaying information |
| 22:02.37 | cladhaire | that's my understanding of why wowwiki.com is here. |
| 22:02.40 | Gryphen | its unique to other content |
| 22:02.43 | DuTempete | So, Gryphen, you're saying that because Cosmos scratches WW's back, WW should scratch Cosmos' back? |
| 22:02.46 | cladhaire | I'd be ecstatic to be wrong |
| 22:03.05 | Bagginsww | "The timeline of Burning Crusade indicates that the portal opened very recently. Not enough time for an influence from azeroth to grow a forest.) "-Bragus |
| 22:03.12 | DuTempete | Now that I don't get... what is Cosmos that somebody else can't claim to be? |
| 22:03.14 | Skosiris | hey, what happens if someone edit a page while I'm already editing it? Will it overwrite the changes that person made? |
| 22:03.33 | Bagginsww | I don't think he's done any of the Cenarion Expedition quests in Blade's edge, or read the Green Haven's article :p |
| 22:03.34 | Tekkub | or to change DuT's phrase... "because Cosmos chooses to host it's pages here, instead of running their own site"... |
| 22:03.34 | Gryphen | you will get an error |
| 22:03.43 | Teomyr | Skosiris: you will be shown the other person's version and have to merge your changes with that |
| 22:03.58 | Skosiris | oh, very nice |
| 22:03.59 | AnduinLothar | if you have further things to say regarding the topic, say so on the pump, i'm done wasting my time here. |
| 22:04.04 | *** part/#wowwiki AnduinLothar (n=AnduinLo@WoWUIDev/Cosmos/AnduinLothar) |
| 22:04.05 | Tekkub | I'm sure clad will agree, Dongle's docs are here cause it's "the most common place" amongst us |
| 22:04.15 | Tekkub | he could easily host his own wiki for us |
| 22:04.27 | Tekkub | but AL left so I guess it doesn't matter anyway |
| 22:04.46 | Tekkub | we win by default? *grin* |
| 22:04.50 | Gryphen | well its like being an IE fan in a room full of FF users |
| 22:04.51 | cladhaire | i'm not trying to win. |
| 22:05.00 | Tekkub | well, you won anyway |
| 22:05.05 | cladhaire | but if the goal is to display information in an intuitive manner |
| 22:05.06 | Gryphen | frustrating to try and argue a point |
| 22:05.07 | Tekkub | you should take up football |
| 22:05.12 | cladhaire | then it doesn't make sense, plain and simple |
| 22:05.12 | Gryphen | against a room 90% against |
| 22:05.15 | DuTempete | Hell, cosmos is hosted at WW because they don't have the support anymore to host their own site/wiki... so that kinda moots the point, doesn't it? |
| 22:05.19 | cladhaire | if that's not the case, then whatever can happen |
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| 22:05.29 | cladhaire | the docs being hosted there is for the good of the community, not to give a sense of entitlement. |
| 22:05.35 | Gryphen | DuTempete what? |
| 22:05.38 | cladhaire | otherwise, you can host them wherever you want |
| 22:05.39 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 22:05.42 | cladhaire | off to write papers and shit |
| 22:05.50 | Tekkub | Gryph... I have nothing against Cosmos getting equal treatment |
| 22:05.56 | DuTempete | Hell, I dunno, I ditched Cosmos about 3 months after release. |
| 22:06.06 | Gryphen | i know you dont ;) |
| 22:06.08 | Tekkub | I don't begrudge them their right to be on the wiki |
| 22:06.21 | Tekkub | but I see no reason they should have special treatment |
| 22:06.32 | cladhaire | Tekkub: we can never meet |
| 22:06.44 | Tekkub | "but I contribute more" is exactly the attitude I never want to see on the wiki |
| 22:06.44 | DuTempete | Clarify this for me: Cosmos does/doesn't have it's own website/wiki? |
| 22:07.02 | Tekkub | it has forums |
| 22:07.15 | Tekkub | but their API and stuff are here AFAIK |
| 22:07.28 | Tekkub | same as Dongle, we have or google group and API is here |
| 22:07.50 | DuTempete | So they use the wiki as a place for their addon community to work on API projects? |
| 22:07.51 | Tekkub | if Ace didn't have it's own wiki early on, it would likely be here too |
| 22:08.07 | Tekkub | they put their documentation here |
| 22:08.13 | Tekkub | as a common reference point |
| 22:08.27 | DuTempete | I guess I don't understand why they need WW for that. |
| 22:08.31 | Tekkub | and clad, like I'd ever want to meet your gay ass |
| 22:08.40 | DuTempete | ouch |
| 22:08.47 | Tekkub | don't worry DuT |
| 22:08.59 | Tekkub | :) |
| 22:09.08 | Tekkub | clad's the first ref on my resume |
| 22:09.16 | cladhaire | eew |
| 22:09.36 | Tekkub | sadly, he's the highlight of my pathetic little resume |
| 22:10.06 | Tekkub | says a lot for him... or very little for my resume.. not sure which it is |
| 22:10.39 | Bagginsww | I hope this year's children's week bothers to include stops in new areas. |
| 22:10.45 | Tekkub | you know, that's the only thing I hate in WoW that I liked in FFXI |
| 22:10.53 | Tekkub | holidays are the same every year in WoW |
| 22:11.00 | Bagginsww | take our kids to outlands, maybe go to Quel'Thalas, or Azureymysts |
| 22:11.01 | Tekkub | they change a bit every year in FFXI |
| 22:11.48 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 22:11.48 | DuTempete | brb... playing witht he puppy |
| 22:11.48 | Tekkub | it's like RL... oh look winter's veil again... whopdeefuckingdoo |
| 22:12.20 | Tekkub | I can get another mechanical yeti with 3 changes... |
| 22:12.21 | Tekkub | oh a reindeer mount, how original |
| 22:14.05 | Bagginsww | I was upset I couldn't do lunar festival again :p |
| 22:15.55 | Tekkub | lunar festival == free flight points for alts :) |
| 22:16.03 | Tekkub | well, alliance |
| 22:16.11 | Tekkub | easy to get the darny/IF route |
| 22:16.34 | Bagginsww | ya, but I wanted more rep |
| 22:16.38 | Bagginsww | go after the ghosts again |
| 22:16.50 | Bagginsww | they should have been repeatable quests |
| 22:16.58 | Bagginsww | like they do with the rest of the holiday quests :p |
| 22:17.56 | Bagginsww | I want more holidays though |
| 22:18.06 | Bagginsww | give us sain patricks LOL |
| 22:18.10 | Bagginsww | *saint |
| 22:18.29 | Bagginsww | turn the rivers green, and alchohol for all, and leprichauns LOL |
| 22:18.31 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm back and reading the convo |
| 22:20.13 | DuTempete | Ack, which conversation, Kirk? =P |
| 22:20.23 | Gryphen | the one he left |
| 22:20.26 | Gryphen | :p |
| 22:20.36 | DuTempete | That last big one is just gonna give you a headache. =P |
| 22:20.43 | Bagginsww | so ya, Kirkburn I banned your impersonator today lOL |
| 22:20.54 | Bagginsww | well not exactly an impersonator |
| 22:21.03 | Bagginsww | "Kirkburn is a geek" |
| 22:21.07 | DuTempete | LOL |
| 22:21.26 | DuTempete | Has Kirkburn been outted? |
| 22:21.30 | Bagginsww | only thing he did was post in Kirkburn's talk page, telling him he was a homo, and to fuck off :p |
| 22:21.47 | DuTempete | Oh, well that's not funny. |
| 22:22.03 | Bagginsww | not at all |
| 22:22.08 | Adys | Skosiris, beep |
| 22:22.19 | Bagginsww | He got instant permaban :) |
| 22:22.25 | DuTempete | Sweet. |
| 22:22.50 | DuTempete | So, Tekkub... about that main page Hookup... |
| 22:22.53 | DuTempete | *grin* |
| 22:23.06 | Tekkub | erf? |
| 22:23.39 | DuTempete | I think it should say in 68pt boldface type, "WARLOCKS RULE, THE REST OF YOU DROOL!" |
| 22:24.11 | Bagginsww | actually warlocks will likely drool after their demon's take over |
| 22:24.24 | Bagginsww | when the demons become the master, :) |
| 22:24.28 | DuTempete | psh... We're in complete control. I don't know what you're talking about. |
| 22:24.41 | Bagginsww | that's what the demons like to make you think ;) |
| 22:24.46 | DuTempete | (Don't stare the Doomguard directly in the eye, please.) |
| 22:25.00 | Bagginsww | they are kind of like dogs and cats. They make you think you are the master, but in reality... |
| 22:25.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Bagginsww, he's well known to wikipedia, that vandal |
| 22:25.45 | Kirkburn|afk | I think I've read most of the arguement |
| 22:25.48 | DuTempete | I don't care if she's in control. I just want some private time with my Succubus, tyvm. |
| 22:25.55 | Kirkburn|afk | (the above stuff) |
| 22:25.57 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 22:26.05 | Kirkburn|afk | The main page is not a list of popular links |
| 22:26.12 | Kirkburn|afk | It's a navigation tool |
| 22:26.25 | DuTempete | A ToC, yeah, that's what I was saying. |
| 22:26.48 | Kirkburn|afk | The question is whether the links are /needed/ not whether they are deserving |
| 22:27.00 | Adys | yes |
| 22:27.08 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Varimathras#As_Sylvanas.27s_Advisor |
| 22:27.15 | Bagginsww | love the new bit about Varimathras LOL |
| 22:27.16 | Adys | thats why i was saying cosmos shouldnt be on the main page, but more like on the WoWWiki:About pages |
| 22:27.38 | Tekkub | Cosmos is _NOT_ needed |
| 22:27.43 | Kirkburn|afk | And Gryphon, if you're going to make a change to the front page, make it consistent, you missed the Guides portal link ... /me goes to fix |
| 22:27.47 | Tekkub | API, yes, it's common to ALL addon devs |
| 22:27.54 | Bagginsww | Varimathras has seemingly appeared to serve Sylvanas unquestionably ever since that time and now serves as her majordomo, working ceaselessly to safeguard the Undercity from all outside threats, especially that of his former masters. The fact that Varimathras still has not betrayed Lady Sylvanas means that she must have a powerful ace up her sleeve, only time will tell what that might be. Then again, its possible Varimathr |
| 22:27.55 | Bagginsww | as has already betrayed the Forsaken, but how it has happened is not yet known. There are rumors that Balnazzar lives, perhaps they have some grand scheme to manipulate the Forsken and reclaim them for the Burning Legion, for for their own faction.HPG 180 |
| 22:28.04 | Tekkub | Cosmos is hosted pages, they are not a universal truth to WoW |
| 22:28.11 | DuTempete | Heh, you're talking about The Forsaken, there. They're not trustworthy. |
| 22:28.24 | DuTempete | I wouldn't obey a rotting corpse, either. |
| 22:28.30 | Bagginsww | Infact it is possible he is still in contact with Stratholme. According to a short story, the Forsaken Messenger Kalasan had intercepted messenges from a traitor in Undercity communicating with Stratholme, and Kel'Thuzad, he had entered Sylvanas throne room to tell her what he found out, but discovered his mistake. He hadn't noticed she wasn't in the throne room, when he blurted out what he had found out, and he was left a |
| 22:28.31 | Bagginsww | lone with the person he suspected, Varimathras, who locked the doors behind him so he couldn't escape.HPG 153 |
| 22:28.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Hoi, careful with the pasting Baggins |
| 22:29.01 | Kirkburn|afk | AL left? |
| 22:29.01 | Bagginsww | ya that's why I waited for someone else to post in between LOL |
| 22:29.13 | Tekkub | yes kirk |
| 22:29.15 | Gryphen | yes |
| 22:29.45 | Bagginsww | But ya, if Varim is still allied with Kel'thuzad, that's not cool at all heh heh |
| 22:29.59 | Kirkburn|afk | It would make sense that Cosmos gets a link on http://www.wowwiki.com/Hosted_AddOn_Pages |
| 22:30.07 | Kirkburn|afk | A more prominent one, at that |
| 22:30.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Perhaps a new section for stuff to list Ace, Dongle, Cosmos, etc |
| 22:30.21 | Tekkub | I won't really argue that |
| 22:30.52 | Tekkub | it was really his "But we contribte more" arguement that pissed me off on the whole matter |
| 22:30.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Since they're not exactly 'addons' it seems weird to list them with the others there |
| 22:31.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Gimme me a sec, I'll cook something up |
| 22:31.11 | Tekkub | yea make a libraries section or something |
| 22:31.35 | DuTempete | There isn't one? That would make lots of sense to have one. |
| 22:32.10 | DuTempete | Perhaps even a seperate category for Cosmos dependent AddOns. |
| 22:32.19 | Gryphen | there is |
| 22:32.20 | Kirkburn|afk | That exists |
| 22:32.31 | DuTempete | Since the rest are pretty much Sea or Standalone. |
| 22:32.52 | DuTempete | Oh yeah, I see it. |
| 22:32.53 | Tekkub | *cough* SKY! *cough* |
| 22:32.56 | Tekkub | "Seer's Signet is a epic ring." |
| 22:33.02 | Tekkub | _AN_ epic ring |
| 22:33.03 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 22:33.13 | DuTempete | Sky isn't on. =P |
| 22:33.36 | Tekkub | pft, whateva |
| 22:33.40 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 22:34.17 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Hosted_AddOn_Pages |
| 22:34.18 | Tekkub | so now.. .back to what I was originally trying to do before AL turned it into that stupid cosmos debate |
| 22:34.20 | Kirkburn | Edit and comment! |
| 22:34.33 | Tekkub | adding shit from DongleUtils to http://www.wowwiki.com/User_Defined_Functions |
| 22:34.45 | Tekkub | that was, what, an hour ago I was gonna start that? |
| 22:36.25 | DuTempete | Dangit... still under 250 contributions. :( |
| 22:36.25 | Tekkub | I don't know how many contributions I have |
| 22:36.25 | Tekkub | nor do I care |
| 22:36.25 | Kirkburn | That page (http://www.wowwiki.com/Hosted_AddOn_Pages), should be the main page for the addons on WW |
| 22:36.25 | Tekkub | yes it should kirk |
| 22:36.25 | DuTempete | It's a badge I'd like to wear representing my addiction. |
| 22:36.25 | Kirkburn | Somehow it wasn't linked on the Int Cust page :/ |
| 22:36.25 | Tekkub | Kirk... a thought.... |
| 22:36.25 | Tekkub | we seem to be linking portals as the topic headers on the main page |
| 22:36.25 | Kirkburn | Only twice |
| 22:36.25 | Tekkub | but they sound underused |
| 22:36.25 | Tekkub | oh |
| 22:36.26 | Tekkub | fine nevermind, idea go buhbye |
| 22:36.31 | Kirkburn | Only guides and IC are really portals |
| 22:36.35 | Kirkburn | The others are actually proper articles |
| 22:36.57 | Kirkburn | Hrm |
| 22:37.08 | Kirkburn | Well, actually it's a bit ambiguous |
| 22:37.13 | Gryphen | i think IC section should be represented by a graphic taking you to the portal, the only one to save for the home page being Macros possibly |
| 22:38.06 | Tekkub | like the engineering gear icon! |
| 22:38.10 | Kirkburn | Events and Widget API are the things I referred to as concenssions by Mikk |
| 22:38.19 | Kirkburn | *concessions |
| 22:38.35 | Kirkburn | Originally the design only linked WoW API |
| 22:39.08 | Kirkburn | Also the "What are AddOns?" |
| 22:39.10 | Kirkburn | ? |
| 22:40.17 | Gryphen | what kirk? |
| 22:40.31 | Kirkburn | Seems a bit random to have on the Main Page |
| 22:41.16 | DuTempete | I can understnad it's purpose in being there, may be lots of folks who don't know what they are. But there there's a lot of stuff about WoW that newbies don't know. |
| 22:41.43 | Kirkburn | Aye, but why the main page? Surely it's more appropriate for the IC portal |
| 22:41.49 | DuTempete | Probably |
| 22:42.25 | Gryphen | i think everything from Hosted AddOn Pages on up should be in portal and that section linked by a portal advertising style graphic |
| 22:42.43 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 22:43.09 | DuTempete | Well I think most of it makes sense in being there. |
| 22:43.33 | DuTempete | Except the "What are Addons?" |
| 22:43.54 | Gryphen | i think macros is the only thing worth having there for people not looking for interface customization specifiacally |
| 22:43.59 | Kirkburn | Scare up an example :) |
| 22:44.13 | Gryphen | erg, /kicks spell check |
| 22:44.23 | DuTempete | Maybe bring down the "Beginner's Guide" and the "FAQ" could be brought down to a just a guides link |
| 22:44.42 | Kirkburn | Okay, given that'll reduce the length of the column, anything that could be added below? |
| 22:45.52 | DuTempete | Looking n thinking |
| 22:46.18 | Kirkburn | Gryphen or Tekkub, either of you feel like updating http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_Customization ... I think the right side needs some filling out - some of the Main Page links are missing as far as I can tell |
| 22:46.36 | Tekkub | working on code snippets ATM :) |
| 22:46.46 | Kirkburn | I'm back in Bristol on friday, so I won't be able to do a great deal until then |
| 22:46.49 | Gryphen | not at the moment, real work to do |
| 22:46.52 | Kirkburn | np |
| 22:46.53 | Gryphen | if i can concentrate on ti |
| 22:46.54 | Gryphen | it |
| 22:47.22 | DuTempete | I bet there's room to add a 3rd column on the left section, move two of the cats there |
| 22:47.26 | Kirkburn | Anyway, we did get somewhere tonight, I'm glad :) |
| 22:47.55 | Kirkburn | On the Main Page? |
| 22:47.57 | Gryphen | id like to see it look more like the main page |
| 22:48.02 | DuTempete | But that does take away some precious negative space |
| 22:48.04 | Kirkburn | Careful, 1024x768 will hate you :P |
| 22:48.06 | DuTempete | yeah, the main page |
| 22:48.14 | Tekkub | fuck 1024 :) |
| 22:48.18 | DuTempete | haha |
| 22:48.19 | Kirkburn | And 800x600 will kill you |
| 22:48.28 | Tekkub | everyone worthy of wiki must run widescreen |
| 22:49.04 | DuTempete | I'm looking from my laptop, which is 1024x768 |
| 22:49.15 | Kirkburn | Gryphen, lol, and someone told me recently they wanted the Main Page to look more like the IC :) |
| 22:49.16 | Tekkub | you fail |
| 22:49.24 | Gryphen | hehe |
| 22:49.29 | DuTempete | but yeah, it would definitely make stuff a little claustrophobic |
| 22:49.38 | Gryphen | all the dotted stuff is really annoying |
| 22:49.38 | Gryphen | hehe |
| 22:49.58 | DuTempete | Yeah, why are the cat titles bulleted? =P |
| 22:50.09 | Kirkburn | Too squashed otherwise |
| 22:50.20 | Gryphen | not those dots |
| 22:50.26 | Kirkburn | I know, MP |
| 22:50.33 | Gryphen | two different portal talks goin on DuTempete :) |
| 22:50.41 | DuTempete | <3 CSS+table =P |
| 22:50.54 | DuTempete | oh, I'm so easily confused. |
| 22:50.59 | Kirkburn | DuTempete, I would convert it all to divs if I had 4 weeks free :P |
| 22:51.03 | DuTempete | hehehe |
| 22:51.25 | Kirkburn | The MP things are bulleted because it'd look squashed otherwise (yarly) |
| 22:51.46 | DuTempete | yarly... that's an interesting word. |
| 22:51.51 | Kirkburn | IC is dotted because ... Mikk liked how it looked ~9 months ago? |
| 22:51.53 | DuTempete | <--- likes interesting words |
| 22:52.51 | DuTempete | Hey, how do you do emotes with this crap? |
| 22:53.17 | Gryphen | /me |
| 22:53.21 | Kirkburn | /me |
| 22:53.22 | DuTempete | I haven't done IRC in like 4 years. |
| 22:53.23 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 22:53.33 | DuTempete | WOOT! |
| 22:53.33 | Tekkub | stupid backwards IRC |
| 22:53.40 | Tekkub | WTB /em /me alias |
| 22:53.45 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 22:54.17 | Gryphen | make an alias :D |
| 22:54.40 | Tekkub | pfft, details |
| 22:54.40 | DuTempete | Why is the right section of the MP sectioned off in the first place? |
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| 22:54.52 | DuTempete | There are both outside links and internal in there. |
| 22:54.53 | Gryphen | because it is a section |
| 22:54.53 | Kirkburn | Cause it's non-gameplay |
| 22:55.15 | Kirkburn | IC was sectioned off previously, but the code was not nice |
| 22:55.15 | DuTempete | But community Info is in the left one. |
| 22:55.33 | Kirkburn | Uuh |
| 22:55.34 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 22:55.49 | Kirkburn | If it was all the same colour, it'd look boring, too :P |
| 22:56.12 | Kirkburn | Perhaps more sensible would indeed be to have IC back in the main area and Community info on the right? |
| 22:56.41 | Kirkburn | Since we may be cutting down the links anyway ... |
| 22:56.55 | Kirkburn | I've an idea |
| 22:56.56 | DuTempete | Yeah, but then the ToC box would get larger. |
| 22:56.59 | foxlit | Why are we cutting down the links anyway? |
| 22:57.01 | DuTempete | longer, that is |
| 22:57.05 | Kirkburn | foxlit, IC links |
| 22:57.14 | Kirkburn | Not the others |
| 22:57.35 | foxlit | Don't make me bookmark wowwiki.com/API and not go through the main page. |
| 22:57.44 | DuTempete | I think that IC could be condensed by 4 lines... so that's a big difference. |
| 22:57.52 | Gryphen | why i had to bookmark cosmos? |
| 22:57.54 | foxlit | Hm, come to think of it, I type that anyway. Carry on. |
| 22:58.00 | Kirkburn | Say IC and Community Info were swapped |
| 22:58.17 | DuTempete | What about External links going in a sidebar? |
| 22:58.18 | Kirkburn | Then at the bottom of the right column, two icons, one for IC portal, one for Guides portal |
| 22:58.30 | DuTempete | Hrmm... |
| 22:58.43 | foxlit | It's fine the way it is, mostly |
| 22:58.51 | Kirkburn | It would mean double links for guides and IC portal /but/ it would certainly make them more obvious |
| 22:59.08 | DuTempete | Yeah, that might work. |
| 22:59.12 | Kirkburn | foxlit, not for some given the above convos :P |
| 22:59.12 | foxlit | IC portal doesn't look that popular anyway. |
| 22:59.20 | Kirkburn | foxlit, that's the problem |
| 22:59.20 | DuTempete | Oh, full IC portal and guide sections? |
| 22:59.28 | foxlit | You shouldn't shove people into it. |
| 22:59.29 | Kirkburn | It should be popular, but people didn't know about it |
| 22:59.33 | DuTempete | Why don't you just drop both, and replace them with Icons? |
| 22:59.41 | Kirkburn | Not even AnduinLothar who writes most of the Cosmos stuff on the wiki |
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| 22:59.58 | foxlit | Now, see, looking at it, I don't _want_ to know about it |
| 23:00.16 | Kirkburn | That's ... odd |
| 23:00.22 | Kirkburn | Yo Adys |
| 23:00.26 | Adys | heya |
| 23:00.31 | Adys | getting odd crashes |
| 23:00.37 | DuTempete | That might even shorten the ToC box, and give newcomers enough of a taste of what's underneath there. |
| 23:00.53 | foxlit | What's underneath there isn't particulary interesting either. |
| 23:00.55 | DuTempete | On 1024x768, I can't even see the linkboxes underneath the ToC |
| 23:00.59 | foxlit | There isn't that much featurable content. |
| 23:01.07 | DuTempete | Well I think community stuff is pretty interesting. |
| 23:01.16 | foxlit | WowWiki news isn't... directly groundbreaking. |
| 23:01.21 | Tekkub | seriously, new laptop dude |
| 23:01.26 | DuTempete | Isn't that how users should be encouraged into making the wiki better? |
| 23:01.31 | Tekkub | 1024 in 4:3 is sooo 90's |
| 23:01.31 | Kirkburn | So, switch Guides and IC to sexy icon links and move CL right? |
| 23:01.40 | DuTempete | Blah, I don't need anything hi-tech for a laptop. |
| 23:01.47 | DuTempete | OMG, bite me. |
| 23:01.55 | Tekkub | not hi-tech... wide-tech! |
| 23:02.15 | DuTempete | Actually, supposedly my fiance is buying me an ultra-portable soon. |
| 23:02.27 | Tekkub | ultrawide portable? |
| 23:02.28 | DuTempete | Let me see if I can find a link. |
| 23:02.33 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 23:02.54 | Kirkburn | I'll think about the Main Page stuff, lots of interesting ideas |
| 23:02.58 | Tekkub | we have a laptop and don't use it much.... last night an old friend was over with her tablet |
| 23:03.08 | Tekkub | hubby's trowing our laptop at her trying to trade |
| 23:03.15 | Kirkburn | The most important thing is that whatever we go with should be the 'best' for the user |
| 23:03.26 | Tekkub | in the few hours she was here, she says we used the tablet bits more than she ever had |
| 23:03.28 | Kirkburn | Tekkub, lol |
| 23:04.18 | Kirkburn | The IC stuff scares me cause I know for a fact people miss half the content on the wiki there |
| 23:04.29 | Tekkub | in the end tablet's all just gimick unless you're an artsy type, but then you'd prolly rather have a spensive pressure sensative drawing pad |
| 23:04.38 | DuTempete | It's an Asus R2H (but he wants the newer version), that's a tablet, too. |
| 23:04.42 | Kirkburn | Especially until the recent redesign, people had /no idea/ there was an IC portal |
| 23:04.51 | DuTempete | See, I'm the artsy type. So I really wanted a tablet. |
| 23:04.57 | Kirkburn | (and previous to that it was even worse. Argh) |
| 23:05.01 | Tekkub | okey, Asus, I'll forgive your fullscreen noobness for that |
| 23:05.05 | *** part/#wowwiki Kept (n=htr@m815f36d0.tmodns.net) |
| 23:05.07 | Tekkub | best brand of mobo evar! |
| 23:05.10 | Kirkburn | Mine's a Inspiron 9300 |
| 23:05.24 | DuTempete | And we don't have enough money for a drawing pad. =P |
| 23:05.29 | Kirkburn | Look. Uh. It's shiny? |
| 23:05.45 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Interface_Customization&action=history |
| 23:05.47 | Tekkub | I don't have enough creative talent for a drawing pad |
| 23:05.53 | Tekkub | I'll stick to the binary arts |
| 23:06.53 | foxlit | Time, never enough time. |
| 23:07.41 | DuTempete | I have too many hobbies. |
| 23:07.42 | foxlit | "Main Page » Interface Customization " breadcrumb is unnecessary |
| 23:07.55 | DuTempete | I really need to work on my writing more, seeing as that's kinda career-like for me. |
| 23:08.22 | Kirkburn | foxlit, aww :( I added that |
| 23:08.55 | foxlit | "people know where the main page is." was going to be my edit summary |
| 23:09.07 | Kirkburn | Y'know, perhaps the page should actually get a rename, since it's actually a Portal |
| 23:09.20 | Kirkburn | foxlit, do it :P |
| 23:09.31 | foxlit | Going to kick the one on [[API]] too |
| 23:09.46 | foxlit | Since IC is already linked from the float-right section header on all UI pages |
| 23:09.56 | Kirkburn | Fiddle away |
| 23:10.08 | Kirkburn | I think "Be bold" is the appropriate term |
| 23:10.45 | Kirkburn | By then, what do I know about wikis? ;) |
| 23:12.47 | Tekkub | NOTHING! |
| 23:12.56 | Adys | oO |
| 23:13.21 | DuTempete | Tekkub, you're such a meanie, today. |
| 23:13.29 | Tekkub | I have my moments |
| 23:13.39 | DuTempete | I'm a meanie all the time. |
| 23:14.01 | DuTempete | Its fun over here, in hell. |
| 23:15.22 | Kirkburn | Come now, frequently, like yesterday, we go the route of extreme innuendo, mean bastard is a refreshing alternative |
| 23:15.47 | DuTempete | >:-D |
| 23:16.13 | Kirkburn | "Don't you mean, in your end-oh!" |
| 23:16.23 | DuTempete | rofl |
| 23:17.15 | DuTempete | What about "Jackass" or "Asshole" or "Son of a bitch"? |
| 23:18.02 | Adys | infobot, DuTempete? |
| 23:18.04 | infobot | hmm... dutempete is ... wait, don't you mean DuTemplate? |
| 23:18.04 | Kirkburn | Feminine pronoun!? HERE?! Alert the Wimmen Police! |
| 23:18.09 | Adys | awesome |
| 23:18.31 | DuTempete | What, do I need to add boobs to my nick? |
| 23:18.50 | Adys | ask infobot nicely |
| 23:19.45 | DuTempete | That better? |
| 23:19.53 | DuTempete | Argh, I don't think it changed... sec |
| 23:20.19 | DuTempete | Has to be continuous characters. |
| 23:21.01 | DuTempete | Males. *sigh* |
| 23:21.29 | foxlit | quick, scare it with talk of Cauchy principal value! |
| 23:21.29 | DuTempete | What guy is gonna name themself "of the storm" in french, anyway? |
| 23:21.50 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 23:21.51 | Adys | lol |
| 23:22.01 | Adys | DuTemplate just owns, tbh |
| 23:22.06 | Adys | love hob for this one |
| 23:22.07 | DuTempete | lol |
| 23:22.17 | DuTempete | DuTEMPLATE!!!! |
| 23:22.23 | DuTempete | *giggle* |
| 23:22.27 | Adys | ~DuTempete |
| 23:22.33 | infobot | i heard dutempete is ... wait, don't you mean DuTemplate? |
| 23:22.38 | Adys | ~emulate kirkburn |
| 23:22.42 | infobot | I hear he's very fond of kittens. Buy him one. |
| 23:22.42 | MatthewS | erm, all players in a digital forum are assumed male unless proven otherwise? |
| 23:22.43 | DuTempete | omg |
| 23:22.45 | Adys | ^^ i love you infobot |
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| 23:23.00 | DuTempete | is that a permanent script, now? |
| 23:23.06 | Adys | ya |
| 23:23.36 | Adys | DeLaTempete? |
| 23:23.39 | DuTempete | You should at least program it to capitalize "I". |
| 23:23.54 | Adys | hey thats not up to me |
| 23:24.00 | DuTempete | Le Tempete |
| 23:24.01 | Adys | infobot, forget dutempete |
| 23:24.02 | infobot | i forgot dutempete, Adys |
| 23:24.21 | DuTempete | hence the Du |
| 23:24.25 | Kirkburn | Adys can't spell. Damn frenchies. |
| 23:24.29 | Teomyr | isn't tempête female? |
| 23:24.33 | Adys | Frenchies* |
| 23:24.35 | Adys | and yes teomyr |
| 23:24.37 | DuTempete | no |
| 23:24.41 | Kirkburn | *Teomyr |
| 23:24.42 | Adys | hence why i said DeLaTempete :p |
| 23:25.54 | Kirkburn | haHA! |
| 23:25.54 | *** kick/#wowwiki [Kirkburn!n=Miranda@APoitiers-256-1-13-229.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] by Adys (/kick*) |
| 23:25.54 | DuTempete | hell I'll go get out my dictionary. |
| 23:25.54 | Teomyr | lol |
| 23:25.54 | DuTempete | lol |
| 23:25.54 | *** join/#wowwiki Kirkburn (n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net) |
| 23:25.54 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Kirkburn] by ChanServ |
| 23:25.54 | *** kick/#wowwiki [Adys!n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net] by Kirkburn (yarly) |
| 23:25.54 | *** join/#wowwiki Adys (n=Miranda@APoitiers-256-1-13-229.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:25.54 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Adys] by ChanServ |
| 23:25.54 | Adys | was waiting for it :P |
| 23:25.54 | *** kick/#wowwiki [Adys!n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net] by Kirkburn (yarly) |
| 23:25.54 | *** join/#wowwiki Adys (n=Miranda@APoitiers-256-1-13-229.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:25.55 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Adys] by ChanServ |
| 23:25.55 | Kirkburn | Damn you! |
| 23:25.55 | Adys | and Tempete is female aye |
| 23:25.55 | Kirkburn | Damn Frenchies. |
| 23:25.55 | Adys | the Frenchy speaking :P |
| 23:25.55 | Teomyr | ha! |
| 23:25.58 | Kirkburn | lo! |
| 23:26.47 | Kirkburn | Well, this channel has a far higher propotion of the fairer sex than any other WoW one I've come across |
| 23:27.03 | DuGabarit | lol you're kidding, Kirk? |
| 23:27.07 | Kirkburn | And I've come across ... like ... 5? |
| 23:27.12 | Teomyr | ROFL |
| 23:27.17 | Adys | lol |
| 23:27.30 | Tekkub | Kirk you're too kind |
| 23:27.32 | DuGabarit | And you're right, it's feminine, I dunno why I mde it Du, but it's been that way for years. |
| 23:27.38 | Tekkub | would you like to play with my fur? |
| 23:28.11 | DuGabarit | But my new nick is not masculine, and as appropriate grammar. Now I dare you to figure out what it means. |
| 23:28.21 | Teomyr | i know, that's why i rofl'd :D |
| 23:28.22 | Kirkburn | My, what luxurious fur you have! |
| 23:28.26 | DuGabarit | hehehe |
| 23:28.36 | Adys | you didnt figure out i was french still? :P |
| 23:28.42 | Kirkburn | Damn Frenchies. |
| 23:28.52 | DuGabarit | Oh, you were being literal. |
| 23:29.10 | Adys | I was :P |
| 23:29.11 | DuGabarit | I'm sure Hob will like this. |
| 23:29.39 | DuGabarit | *sigh* Dog has to take a shit, brb |
| 23:29.44 | Kirkburn | Let's all talk abotu Adys! |
| 23:30.03 | *** join/#wowwiki Adys (n=Miranda@APoitiers-256-1-13-229.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:30.07 | Adys | christ, fucking miranda |
| 23:30.08 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Adys] by ChanServ |
| 23:30.17 | Kirkburn | I heard Adys once hit up a dud- |
| 23:30.19 | Kirkburn | Oh hello |
| 23:30.55 | Kirkburn | Adys, remove the comma from that sentence, and you've just insulted half of the US |
| 23:31.15 | Teomyr | lol |
| 23:31.34 | Adys | You know that "I gotta go" in French sounds exactly like "Fuck G.I.s" in English? |
| 23:31.36 | Gryphen | 90% |
| 23:31.37 | Gryphen | heh |
| 23:31.45 | Kirkburn | "I'm sorry, Miranda is too distracted to keep up the connection atm" |
| 23:32.19 | Kirkburn | "Miranda is currently busy with Jesus right now. Please try again later." |
| 23:32.29 | Adys | what the hell kirk |
| 23:32.51 | Kirkburn | Gryphen, you're likely right, too :/ |
| 23:32.52 | DuGabarit | lmfao |
| 23:33.15 | Kirkburn | Adys, really? |
| 23:33.19 | Adys | yeah |
| 23:33.24 | Adys | "Faut que j'y aille" |
| 23:33.49 | DuGabarit | Miranda? Something like Firefly Miranda? |
| 23:33.57 | Teomyr | lol adys |
| 23:34.37 | Adys | LOL |
| 23:34.38 | Adys | http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php?serverid=439 |
| 23:34.39 | DuGabarit | Actually, the nick dates back to EQ Guiding... my Guide toon's name was Elorienne of the Tempest. |
| 23:34.40 | Adys | check that |
| 23:34.41 | Teomyr | "sounds exactly like" is a bit of an exaggeration i'd say :P |
| 23:34.50 | Adys | Total Horde: 9,884 - 100% |
| 23:34.50 | Adys | A to H Ratio: 1 : 9884 |
| 23:34.59 | Adys | Total Alliance: 1 - |
| 23:35.14 | Kirkburn | riiight |
| 23:35.17 | Teomyr | lol? |
| 23:35.18 | DuGabarit | Well when you're an american, listening to a french person talk, it probably does sound exactly like that. |
| 23:35.25 | Adys | and yeah |
| 23:35.29 | Kirkburn | Damn Frenchies. |
| 23:35.46 | Kirkburn | We owned most of your country, dammit! |
| 23:36.34 | DuGabarit | Hey, we like their chips and pancakes. |
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| 23:37.17 | DuGabarit | And hell if i don't love the language. The Matrix script put it perfectly: "It's like wiping your ass with silk." |
| 23:38.40 | DuGabarit | BOOBIES!!!!! |
| 23:39.36 | DuGabarit | Bah... you guys are no fun. |
| 23:39.51 | *** join/#wowwiki dok3Dal (n=dok@AStrasbourg-251-1-90-60.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:39.57 | Zicon | I like boobies. |
| 23:40.04 | DuGabarit | That' my favorite word in a quiet channel. |
| 23:40.27 | DuGabarit | I've trained my guild to respond in chorus. |
| 23:41.07 | roadkill | I just got the "The Lightning Capacitor" from Karazhan and i thought ill make some advantage of it. Therefor I am speccing fire to spam scorch. Anyone know what the best Scorch-build is? :) |
| 23:41.46 | DuGabarit | I'm not familiar with mage specs :( |
| 23:42.18 | DuGabarit | I bet you could find that info somewhere on the wiki, or after an hour's searching on the wow forums. |
| 23:42.56 | Kirkburn | Did someone say bewbs? |
| 23:43.31 | roadkill | hehe, yeah.. ive been trying. I dunno if I am going to go with full fire or with spell talents in the arcane tree :p |
| 23:44.44 | Kirkburn | I fear I destroyed Adys :( |
| 23:44.48 | Adys | im still here |
| 23:44.51 | Adys | wipeing |
| 23:44.59 | Adys | Shaffar in heroic |
| 23:45.11 | Kirkburn | Well, why didn't you respond with comments like "well, we got Calais back in the end, didn't we?" |
| 23:45.16 | Adys | sec |
| 23:45.34 | Kirkburn | Shaffar? Heroic? Monkey? Paperclip? |
| 23:46.25 | DuGabarit | I think most mages do go with at least a little arcane, roadkill |
| 23:46.36 | Adys | Endboss manatombs |
| 23:47.05 | DuGabarit | We need pages for class talent specs... |
| 23:48.13 | DuGabarit | Where's Sky2042 when you need him... |
| 23:48.35 | DuGabarit | He's the mage guy... |
| 23:48.49 | Adys | Im a mage too |
| 23:49.03 | Shadowed | 61 Frost, can't go wrong with that |
| 23:49.06 | DuGabarit | lmfao |
| 23:49.23 | DuGabarit | I went 51 Destruction once... man that rocked. |
| 23:49.29 | DuGabarit | But was hell on my HP. |
| 23:49.30 | Shadowed | What are ou planning on doing, PvE or PvP |
| 23:49.35 | Shadowed | er you |
| 23:50.22 | Kirkburn | Guess whose office this is: http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t280/left4dead411/lpic20.jpg |
| 23:50.28 | Kirkburn | (company) |
| 23:50.34 | Shadowed | Calendar company |
| 23:50.39 | Shadowed | obviously |
| 23:51.03 | Shadowed | thats what all of those pictures on the wall are for right! |
| 23:51.07 | Kirkburn | Another, er, clue: http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t280/left4dead411/lpic15.jpg |
| 23:51.19 | Gryphen | google |
| 23:51.20 | Gryphen | heh |
| 23:51.23 | Adys | show me kittens! |
| 23:51.29 | DuGabarit | Roadkill: I actually manated to find this in less than 10 minutes... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=79170045&sid=1 |
| 23:51.37 | Gryphen | google yellow cupboards |
| 23:51.57 | Kirkburn | Okay, another clue: http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t280/left4dead411/lpic16.jpg |
| 23:52.05 | Shadowed | It's wrong anyway |
| 23:52.16 | Gryphen | valve, oooh ahh |
| 23:52.18 | Shadowed | AP/POM is useless in PvP unless you want to see fancy crits and then die |
| 23:52.40 | Kirkburn | You're too kind |
| 23:52.43 | Gryphen | that was my first guess when i saw the half-life games, but decided differently heh |
| 23:53.04 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 23:53.06 | Shadowed | I still say they're a calendar company specializing in pocket knife images |
| 23:53.15 | Kirkburn | Gallery - http://www.left4dead411.com/left-4-dead-preview-trip.php |
| 23:53.46 | Teomyr | lol headcrab |
| 23:54.01 | DuGabarit | Well the snack bar pretty much narrowed that down to gaming companies. |
| 23:54.41 | DuGabarit | I still mean to have a Yahoo! and Cheetos LAN party. |
| 23:54.45 | Gryphen | i figured google, cause they give all sorts of stuff to employees |
| 23:54.45 | DuGabarit | One of these days... |
| 23:54.45 | Gryphen | heh |
| 23:55.49 | DuGabarit | We've got enough friends all over the goddamned place we could probably afford to rent a reception hall, or something. |
| 23:56.19 | Gryphen | WoWWikiCon 2007 |
| 23:56.38 | DuGabarit | hehehe |
| 23:57.27 | DuGabarit | Except when I send the WWC invitations to my friends, they'll all laugh at me. |
| 23:58.16 | DuGabarit | What would the events be? WoW LAN and editing competition? |
| 23:58.36 | DuGabarit | Interviews with Kirkburn and Hobinheim? |
| 23:58.50 | *** join/#wowwiki juju (n=juju@ip70-178-5-88.ks.ks.cox.net) |
| 23:58.57 | DuGabarit | The "Where is WW headed?" Panel... |
| 23:59.01 | MatthewS | vandalism reverting contest? |
| 23:59.06 | DuGabarit | lol |
| 23:59.21 | DuGabarit | raffel for "Admin for a day" |
| 23:59.25 | DuGabarit | raffle |
| 23:59.30 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 23:59.36 | Teomyr | rofl |
