| 00:02.15 | Skosiris | who's in charge of implementing the script that will get the tooltips from the xml feeds? |
| 00:03.07 | oam | isn't that relativly simple? |
| 00:03.18 | oam | (yeah; got an issue.. going to bed takes an hour :P) |
| 00:04.08 | Teomyr | kaos has written some extension already, and i'd be interested too |
| 00:05.20 | dotted | WTB OperaTab extension for Firefox :p |
| 00:05.34 | dotted | or IEtab and FFtab for Opera :p |
| 00:06.08 | Teomyr | what would that do? |
| 00:06.29 | Teomyr | so you can have multiple rendering engines within one browser? |
| 00:06.35 | dotted | 1 browser, 3 tabs, 3 different browser rendering engines |
| 00:06.38 | dotted | yup |
| 00:06.58 | Teomyr | need :D |
| 00:07.04 | Teomyr | http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE is also nice |
| 00:07.28 | dotted | doubt its possible to make an FFtab or OTab tbh |
| 00:07.56 | dotted | FFtab maybe if you included the Gecko engine but that isnt very productive :p |
| 00:08.37 | Teomyr | it'd probably be a mammoth in memory usage :D |
| 00:08.59 | dotted | idd |
| 00:09.08 | dotted | but https://addons.mozilla.org/da/firefox/addon/1419 is fine for now :p |
| 00:37.08 | dotted | Skosiris http://www.bxd.dk/wow/wowhead/wowhead.html dunno if i missed anything |
| 00:37.58 | dotted | but opera seems to eat it |
| 00:45.07 | dotted | http://www.bxd.dk/wow/wowhead/wowhead2.html hmmmm |
| 00:45.36 | dotted | funny, it works perfectly in IE :D |
| 01:07.30 | Skosiris | hmm |
| 01:08.02 | Skosiris | the problem with wowhead2.html is that the "Mail" part is not aligned to the right at all :P |
| 01:10.21 | dotted | same for wowhead.html too actually |
| 01:10.46 | Shirik | IE is no way to judge how a page should be displaye |
| 01:11.01 | Shirik | IE follows WC3 rules like the U.S. follows UN recommendations |
| 01:11.08 | Skosiris | lol |
| 01:11.47 | dotted | Shirik we know :P? |
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| 03:03.34 | Bagginsww | so ya teomyr, I'm not convinced about that picture LOL |
| 03:03.55 | Bagginsww | ahh I must have missed Teomyr |
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| 04:28.56 | Sky2042 | uh... |
| 04:29.05 | Skyfire | what the |
| 04:29.11 | Skyfire | lol! |
| 04:29.15 | Sky2042 | i r typing to myself |
| 04:29.30 | Shirik | ?? |
| 04:29.40 | Sky2042 | the battle of trillian vs mirc |
| 04:29.45 | Sky2042 | who will win?! |
| 04:30.01 | Skyfire | :-T |
| 04:30.04 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 04:30.37 | Shirik | trillian > all |
| 04:30.43 | Shirik | but I don't use it for mirc |
| 04:30.54 | Shirik | for irc* |
| 04:31.48 | Sky2042 | how do you open a window for irc on trillian? the only reason i'm typing to u using more than one name is because sending a message in mirc caused a popup box with the trillian irc in it to pop up... :x |
| 04:32.05 | Sky2042 | connection was easy >_< |
| 04:32.51 | Skyfire | case in point |
| 04:33.05 | Sky2042 | :x |
| 04:33.29 | Sky2042 | lol. wiki links in trillian irc |
| 04:34.03 | Sky2042 | crazy |
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| 04:48.28 | Sky2042 | weeeeee |
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| 05:21.24 | Sky2042 | evening tek |
| 05:21.31 | Tekkub | moo |
| 05:22.38 | Bleeter | baa! |
| 05:22.50 | Sky2042 | mewo |
| 05:22.52 | Sky2042 | meow* |
| 05:24.06 | Sky2042 | ok, that makes me not very happ |
| 05:24.07 | Sky2042 | y* |
| 05:24.08 | Sky2042 | -_- |
| 05:24.18 | Bleeter | wossat? |
| 05:25.19 | Sky2042 | getting a "Program not responding" and i'm in the middle of an evil edit |
| 05:25.20 | Sky2042 | sigh |
| 05:26.01 | Sky2042 | and then i remembered that firefox restores... :) |
| 05:26.30 | Sky2042 | I <4 firefox |
| 05:27.03 | Sky2042 | eh, lost the edit info |
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| 12:28.38 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | what are your opinions on striping away attribution |
| 12:28.45 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | like this template was written by FOO |
| 12:28.50 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | or this build was contributed by BAR |
| 12:29.06 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | personally, i think it stinks up the page with comments or the incorrect tone of voice |
| 12:29.08 | Shirik | personally, I disagree with it because a wiki is a _community_ project |
| 12:29.25 | Shirik | perhaps in the talk page, sure. But not on the main page |
| 12:29.49 | Shirik | I mean... hm, let me rephrase |
| 12:29.59 | Shirik | I disagree with "____ was made by ___" being there |
| 12:30.04 | Shirik | so I agree with stripping it away |
| 12:30.32 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | koo |
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| 12:51.21 | Teomyr | i'm currently reworking my tooltip extension to use domTT and to workaround the template issue |
| 12:52.25 | Teomyr | the basic idea is that, to create a mouseover tooltip, you create a <div> with its content and then call it somehow using wiki markup |
| 12:52.52 | Teomyr | but the question is how :/ |
| 12:53.18 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | uhh |
| 12:53.28 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | i think there are certain things that aren't allowed by the wiki engine |
| 12:53.35 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | just keep experimenting and see what goes through? |
| 12:53.49 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | i'm pretty sure you can't get around the interactivity/JS part |
| 12:53.53 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | script blocks, etc |
| 12:54.13 | Teomyr | yes, it'd be a mediawiki extension anyway. can't embed any javascript in wiki markup |
| 12:55.23 | Teomyr | the idea is that the extension adds a javascript (they can do that) which does the necessary stuff to initialize the tooltips |
| 12:57.08 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | ehh if we had access to extensions i'm sure there would have already been a sexier solution |
| 12:57.11 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | not to mention other problems being solved |
| 12:59.13 | Teomyr | i guess when rustak has a bit more time for us, and we have a stable and functional tooltip extension available, it wouldn't be that much of an issue |
| 12:59.38 | Teomyr | he will probably upgrade the wiki soon, that would be a good opportunity :) |
| 13:01.04 | Teomyr | in its current state, my extension is easy to use, but as i already said... being a parser function, it doesn't allow for template inclusions in the tooltip contents :( |
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| 14:23.34 | Patrigan | finally |
| 14:23.39 | Patrigan | back on IRC |
| 14:23.45 | Patrigan | hi all |
| 14:24.02 | nemppu | wb |
| 14:36.56 | winkiller | http://youtube.com/watch?v=rLyokULgxXo |
| 14:40.32 | Patrigan | rogues still haven't stopped crying? |
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| 18:08.00 | Skosiris | Is anyone up for CSS challenge #2 ? |
| 18:08.21 | Teomyr | giev!!1 |
| 18:09.32 | Skosiris | http://www.wowhead.com/css_challenge/bibi.html |
| 18:09.56 | Skosiris | you can download a zip containing all 4 files: http://www.wowhead.com/css_challenge/bibi.zip |
| 18:10.07 | Skosiris | it works perfectly in Firefox/Opera |
| 18:10.35 | Skosiris | but for some reason, the padding to the left is missing in IE |
| 18:11.59 | Skosiris | also the content to the left of the Quick Facts box is invisible in IE when the page is first rendered |
| 18:13.36 | Mikk | IE sux, kthxbai |
| 18:14.01 | Teomyr | strange |
| 18:14.04 | Skosiris | cross-browser css is driving me mad |
| 18:14.41 | Skosiris | removing the right-floating Quick Facts box seem to "fix it", but that box needs to be there :P |
| 18:16.13 | Adys | Hello peeps |
| 18:16.31 | Adys | heya skosiris =) |
| 18:16.57 | Skosiris | hey |
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| 18:17.18 | Adys | hey baggins |
| 18:17.23 | Adys | Alright |
| 18:17.26 | Adys | Want some updates now |
| 18:17.36 | Adys | ~logs |
| 18:17.42 | infobot | rumour has it, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 18:17.42 | Bagginsww | hi adys |
| 18:17.45 | Adys | thx |
| 18:17.52 | Teomyr | skosiris, think i got it |
| 18:17.59 | Skosiris | !! |
| 18:18.09 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Eredun |
| 18:18.13 | Teomyr | it's caused by the "clear: both;" in the first table |
| 18:18.30 | Skosiris | yup I know, I tried removing it |
| 18:19.01 | Teomyr | it seems to work if you remove it and put <br style="clear: both;" /> before the table |
| 18:19.44 | Skosiris | oh |
| 18:20.03 | Skosiris | thanks mate! |
| 18:20.09 | Teomyr | np :) |
| 18:20.36 | Skosiris | any idea why <br style="clear: both" /> works, while <div style="clear: both"></div> doesn't ? |
| 18:20.48 | Skosiris | (besides the fact IE is the best browser ever) |
| 18:21.06 | Adys | lol |
| 18:21.13 | Teomyr | don't know... maybe because the div doesn't have any content |
| 18:21.36 | Adys | <div style="clear: both"></div> never caused any problems on the wiki when used |
| 18:21.49 | Adys | i believe thats the very raw code of {{SUBST:clr}} |
| 18:24.18 | Adys | 21:36.23 Skosiris the upper part is allowed to expands to larger than 300px (we don't want the item's name to wrap), while the lower part (which contains the Equip:, Use:, etc spells) isn't allowed to do so (we wouldn't want long descriptions to stretch the tooltip to 2000 pixels wide) |
| 18:24.31 | Adys | Can you give an example, skosiris? |
| 18:24.48 | Adys | im having a hard time imagining how that can be possible |
| 18:24.58 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Language_links |
| 18:25.08 | Bagginsww | added in notes to ingame terms for languages |
| 18:25.30 | Bagginsww | such as Troll, Demonic, and Furbolg |
| 18:26.49 | Skosiris | Teomyr: you will deserve some props when the new widescreen template is released :) |
| 18:27.24 | Teomyr | widescreen template? :D |
| 18:27.55 | Skosiris | Adys: sure, hold on |
| 18:29.03 | Skosiris | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28160 (small tooltip, no useless extra width) |
| 18:29.17 | Skosiris | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30007 (the upper part, containing the name of the item, is allowed to stretch the tooltip as you can see) |
| 18:29.37 | Skosiris | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22630 (on the other hand, the lower part which contains the green Equip bonuses isn't allowed to do so) |
| 18:29.39 | Adys | aah wait i got it |
| 18:30.07 | Adys | why dont you just use in the name? |
| 18:30.18 | Adys | auto replacement or something, wouldnt be too hard to do? |
| 18:30.59 | Skosiris | the name isn't the only thing that is part of the upper section |
| 18:31.31 | Adys | you mean like that? http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23572 |
| 18:31.35 | Skosiris | but yeah, this, or using "word-wrap: nowrap" might work as well |
| 18:32.05 | Adys | yeha |
| 18:32.10 | Adys | i just thought it'd be simpler |
| 18:32.27 | Adys | and tag http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30007 as non available, already ;p |
| 18:32.40 | Adys | was talking i believe to kaso about it |
| 18:32.55 | Adys | its odd its n°30007 where generally quest rewards follow eachother in itemid |
| 18:33.12 | Adys | 30008 is a drop and 30006 is another netherstorm quest |
| 18:33.21 | Skosiris | I can't find the perfect example, but have a look at this spell: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=20662 |
| 18:33.40 | Skosiris | the Required stances part shouldn't wrap as well |
| 18:33.57 | Adys | can I ask what the hell http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=26651 is for? lol |
| 18:34.11 | Skosiris | lol |
| 18:34.19 | Skosiris | I say don't mess with Uncategorized spells |
| 18:34.29 | Adys | btw! |
| 18:34.44 | Teomyr | lol |
| 18:34.44 | Adys | any chance we ever gonna be able to enable search for uncategorized spells? =P |
| 18:34.58 | Adys | because its stuff i actually like browsing :< |
| 18:35.05 | Skosiris | http://www.wowhead.com/?spells&filter=na=execute |
| 18:35.14 | Skosiris | you can using the filters |
| 18:35.24 | Adys | hm |
| 18:35.30 | Skosiris | howewer, the ?search=X page won't search in uncategorized spells as these are irrelevant most of the time |
| 18:35.43 | Skosiris | usually* |
| 18:35.49 | Adys | can you put something in the profile or options |
| 18:36.02 | Adys | "Search uncategorized spells by default" |
| 18:36.40 | Adys | for example, here: http://www.wowhead.com/?search=execute - theres no filter link |
| 18:36.43 | Adys | I have to go to browse |
| 18:37.43 | Skosiris | Teomyr: while the <br style="clear both" /> did the trick for the missing padding-left, the "invisibility" bug is still there in IE6 :( |
| 18:37.52 | Skosiris | http://www.wowhead.com/css_challenge/bibi.html |
| 18:38.11 | Adys | second question =P |
| 18:38.22 | Skosiris | the content to the left of the quick facts box is invisible when the page is first loaded |
| 18:38.32 | Adys | is it intended that http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=27748 Temp.blp doesnt trigger the correct icon? |
| 18:38.46 | Skosiris | alt-tabbing out and back make it appear |
| 18:39.05 | Teomyr | selecting it works, too |
| 18:39.08 | Skosiris | yes |
| 18:39.10 | Adys | skosiris, this reminds me of a bug with tabs |
| 18:39.21 | Adys | can you try with only one tab open on ie7? |
| 18:39.35 | Teomyr | it happens in ie6 |
| 18:39.38 | Skosiris | it works fine in ie7 |
| 18:39.44 | Adys | ooh |
| 18:40.20 | Skosiris | Adys: we replaced the Temp.blp icon with the question mark one, for aesthetic purposes |
| 18:40.32 | Adys | you dont like his face do you. |
| 18:40.47 | Adys | man, if he knew.. |
| 18:40.51 | Skosiris | ol |
| 18:41.00 | Skosiris | who is he anyway? |
| 18:41.10 | Adys | check ze wiki! |
| 18:41.17 | Adys | lemme give ya a link :) |
| 18:41.42 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Samwise_Didier |
| 18:43.01 | Adys | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/03/16/samwise-didier-warcraft-icon/ |
| 18:43.44 | Adys | lol at "Basically, he's a WoW icon in every sense of the word." |
| 18:44.03 | Skosiris | lol |
| 18:44.42 | Teomyr | lol |
| 18:45.16 | Adys | haha, Im adding that to the main article |
| 18:45.18 | Adys | its just too awesome |
| 18:47.37 | Teomyr | the ie6 bug seems to be caused by the floating, but no idea how to fix it :/ |
| 18:47.46 | Teomyr | ah |
| 18:47.48 | Teomyr | http://qsdqsd.free.fr/Articles/MSIE6_CSS_bug_float_right/index2.html |
| 18:48.23 | Skosiris | ohh |
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| 18:49.31 | dotted | :o |
| 18:50.36 | Skosiris | ermm, I added position: relative to #main and to the style of the Quick Facts box, but the box no longer shows up o_O |
| 18:50.47 | dotted | Skosiris gief link |
| 18:51.04 | Skosiris | http://www.wowhead.com/css_challenge/bibi.html |
| 18:51.22 | Skosiris | the bug is that under IE6, the content to the left of the Quick facts box is invisible when the page is first loaded |
| 18:51.35 | Skosiris | because of the right floating quick facts box |
| 18:51.48 | dotted | dont have IE6 :/ |
| 18:52.27 | Teomyr | which box no longer shows? |
| 18:52.45 | Skosiris | the quick facts one |
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| 18:55.39 | Teomyr | works for me |
| 18:55.40 | Adys | you peeps should stop supporting ie6 |
| 18:55.56 | Teomyr | that is, the text still doesn't show, but the box is there |
| 18:55.57 | dotted | i agree, isnt ie7 a mandetory update? |
| 18:56.04 | Adys | ie6 users are gonna have to see that they are using outdated material |
| 18:56.30 | Adys | yes dotted it is |
| 18:56.34 | Adys | and free with that |
| 18:56.43 | dotted | only Windows XP MCE doesnt have IE7 yet |
| 18:56.58 | dotted | afaik |
| 18:57.51 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | Skosiris, are you from wowhead? |
| 18:58.05 | dotted | yes |
| 18:58.05 | Skosiris | Teomyr: let me see :) |
| 18:58.07 | Adys | No, he works for allakhazam and is here to defend them from our attacks |
| 18:58.12 | Adys | Eh sko? |
| 18:58.12 | dotted | ahaha |
| 18:58.14 | Skosiris | lol |
| 18:58.19 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | ... |
| 18:58.37 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | invaders! |
| 18:58.44 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+v Hobinheim|Voodoo] by Adys |
| 18:58.53 | Adys | you slackers need to learn to identify |
| 18:58.55 | dotted | i want voice too /cry /emo :(((( |
| 18:59.09 | *** kick/#wowwiki [dotted!n=Miranda@APoitiers-256-1-33-121.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr] by Adys ("Voice") |
| 18:59.11 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | you slackers = hob |
| 18:59.31 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | ugh so sleepy today |
| 18:59.32 | Adys | abuse, only that is true |
| 18:59.34 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | i'm all outta wake |
| 18:59.35 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | *wack |
| 18:59.37 | *** join/#wowwiki dotted (n=me@0x555157c7.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 18:59.42 | Adys | heya dotted |
| 19:00.29 | Adys | question for you skosiris |
| 19:00.43 | Adys | is the disenchanting skill calculated or gathered from the wdbs? |
| 19:02.07 | Teomyr | skosiris, see what? |
| 19:02.11 | Skosiris | the enchanting skill required to disenchant an item? |
| 19:02.14 | Adys | y |
| 19:02.32 | Skosiris | yup |
| 19:02.40 | Skosiris | column #131 in itemcache.wdb |
| 19:02.41 | Adys | yup? |
| 19:02.45 | Adys | ah |
| 19:02.50 | Skosiris | (starting at 0) |
| 19:03.02 | Adys | and the itemlvl is wdb too right |
| 19:03.09 | Skosiris | of course |
| 19:03.29 | Skosiris | Teomyr: nvm, I got to to work. I don't know what I changed but it now works fine :) |
| 19:04.48 | Teomyr | :D |
| 19:04.52 | dotted | anyone got a link of how to install ie6 alongside ie7? |
| 19:04.53 | Skosiris | thanks again for all the help! |
| 19:05.07 | Adys | lol |
| 19:05.07 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=39342 |
| 19:05.11 | Adys | "Medivh really has to l2p if he has to cheat at CHESS..." |
| 19:05.45 | Skosiris | haha |
| 19:07.25 | dotted | man im glad im not a web designer at blizzard |
| 19:07.45 | Adys | sometimes i wonder how lazy blizz devs are |
| 19:07.49 | Adys | particularly when i look at spells |
| 19:08.00 | Adys | they just cant be arsed to do something clean |
| 19:08.04 | Skosiris | lol |
| 19:08.05 | Adys | they have to do something like that: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=36928 |
| 19:08.09 | Adys | come on. |
| 19:08.52 | Skosiris | we shouldn't have access to this data anyway |
| 19:11.15 | Skosiris | I mean, we aren't supposed to be able to browse these uncategorized spells |
| 19:11.47 | dotted | who cares |
| 19:12.25 | Adys | hey |
| 19:12.26 | Adys | i do |
| 19:12.29 | Adys | i like browsing them |
| 19:12.38 | Adys | i love trying to understand how something works |
| 19:12.51 | Adys | many of us do anyways =P |
| 19:13.07 | Adys | and i think its hilarious once you understand how blizzard scripted something |
| 19:13.10 | dotted | not excatly what i meant :p |
| 19:13.14 | Skosiris | sure, there's no problem to browsing them. I just meant that we shouldn't complain about how messy those spelsl are :P |
| 19:13.25 | Adys | to think that blizzard has been too lazy to do something clean |
| 19:13.34 | Adys | i mean, come on, browse the mpqs |
| 19:13.42 | Adys | the amount of old unused files that made in |
| 19:13.55 | Adys | the amount of shitty unorganization in there |
| 19:13.59 | Adys | caps here, caps there |
| 19:14.11 | Adys | and here is a duplicate file for you |
| 19:14.25 | Adys | etc |
| 19:14.53 | Adys | http://adys.stools.net/UI-CharacterCreate-Races2.png |
| 19:14.57 | Adys | this file is still in the mpqs |
| 19:15.06 | Adys | and its NOT going out lol |
| 19:15.14 | Adys | blizz should keep their porn to themselves |
| 19:15.37 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 19:15.58 | Bagginsww | Trans-elf |
| 19:16.00 | Bagginsww | the new race |
| 19:16.01 | Skosiris | lol |
| 19:16.07 | Adys | ha i triggered the baggins |
| 19:16.32 | Adys | write us an article about DBC lore man :P |
| 19:16.43 | Adys | <3 |
| 19:16.54 | Adys | hah, im actually thinking it'd be fun to write |
| 19:17.10 | Adys | So about elinks btw! |
| 19:17.13 | Teomyr | dbc lore? :D |
| 19:17.18 | Adys | ofc =P |
| 19:17.39 | Adys | I was thinking.. |
| 19:18.06 | Adys | We could either have a public vote for the elinks ordering |
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| 19:18.22 | Adys | Have an admin-only vote |
| 19:18.44 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 19:18.56 | Adys | Have wowhead first and/or only link as "recognizement" (what we talked about the other time) |
| 19:18.57 | Bagginsww | I say we call that icon, Tranself, :) |
| 19:19.47 | Bagginsww | I can just think, under "appearance" in blood elf article, adding a joke refrence to the icon, that apparnetly some blood elves like to "cross-dress" and list the icon. |
| 19:19.49 | Adys | or we could remove wowhead, thottbot and allakhazam and use goblinworkshop |
| 19:20.03 | Adys | No?!?! |
| 19:20.39 | Mikk | Yes! Goblinworkshop ftw! |
| 19:20.45 | Adys | :) |
| 19:20.45 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 19:21.24 | Adys | time to work on http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Uncategorizedimages |
| 19:22.14 | Skosiris | no wait |
| 19:22.24 | Adys | did i scare you? =P |
| 19:22.34 | Mikk | Adys: Quick intro on the elinks talk? I've missed it |
| 19:22.41 | Adys | Ah yes |
| 19:22.42 | Adys | first off |
| 19:22.47 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:EL |
| 19:22.51 | Skosiris | I suggest that you replace all sites from the elinks template with Wowd.org, Wowpeek and Ampwow, these are *really* good sites |
| 19:23.09 | Adys | we should use armory links |
| 19:23.41 | Skosiris | oh I almost forgot, be sure to include Warcry as well! |
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| 19:23.45 | Bagginsww | anyone see the comic in the TBC strategy guide? In which guy has a marriage on one of the wow servers, then makes refrence to his wives on othe rservers? |
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| 19:24.00 | Sarge | Yo ppl |
| 19:24.07 | Adys | heya |
| 19:25.33 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Baggins |
| 19:25.44 | Bagginsww | oh ya someone left me a message, I don't know what he's talking about exactly |
| 19:25.50 | Adys | ~logs |
| 19:25.51 | infobot | hmm... logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 19:25.53 | dotted | i hope for a StarCraft MMO that is inspired by EVE but without the crappy stuff |
| 19:25.55 | Bagginsww | Maybe you'd understand it Adys |
| 19:26.03 | Adys | will check ina sec |
| 19:26.09 | Bagginsww | "Request for review template" |
| 19:26.16 | Sarge | starcraft... n' MMO..? |
| 19:26.46 | Sarge | is there a starcraft mmo coming? |
| 19:26.47 | dotted | starcraft > warcraft |
| 19:26.54 | dotted | no |
| 19:26.55 | Sarge | trye |
| 19:27.01 | Sarge | i'd wish so.. |
| 19:27.03 | dotted | me2 |
| 19:27.59 | Adys | took care of it Bagginsww |
| 19:28.36 | Bagginsww | No way I could play both WoW and starcraft MMO at the same time :p |
| 19:28.40 | Bagginsww | or pay for both :p |
| 19:28.58 | Bagginsww | only reason I'm going to play LOTRO is the preorder lifetime special |
| 19:29.36 | dotted | woot? |
| 19:30.24 | dotted | Bagginsww gief link |
| 19:30.46 | Bagginsww | oh, dotted you just have to preorder from Amazon or whatever |
| 19:30.56 | Bagginsww | you automatically get beta |
| 19:31.03 | dotted | £99.99 for a Lifetime Membership!* |
| 19:31.05 | Bagginsww | and have "founders' special |
| 19:31.05 | dotted | ouch |
| 19:31.11 | Bagginsww | its one year subscription |
| 19:31.31 | Bagginsww | if you were to pay the regular price of $15.99 a month |
| 19:31.43 | Bagginsww | so it pays for itself |
| 19:32.02 | Bagginsww | first expansion is rumored to be Moria by the team |
| 19:32.21 | Bagginsww | so a huge underground civilicaiton with plenty of zones heh |
| 19:32.25 | Bagginsww | *civilization |
| 19:32.40 | Adys | lifetime membership is an interesting move |
| 19:32.56 | Bagginsww | ya and its offered to "founders" , :) |
| 19:33.01 | Bagginsww | that is the people who preorder |
| 19:33.07 | Adys | there are a couple of things that made wow very powerful at keeping customers |
| 19:33.32 | Sarge | LOTRO : shadows of angmar? |
| 19:33.32 | Adys | for example, the fact you cant delete an account, you can <always> get your characters back,e tc |
| 19:33.59 | Bagginsww | ya, that was cool, alot more companies are following that pattern |
| 19:34.16 | Bagginsww | ya LOTRo/A |
| 19:34.49 | Bagginsww | Its very immersive game Sarge, if you are into LOTR lore |
| 19:35.01 | Sarge | ok |
| 19:35.21 | Sarge | have u tested it or something? |
| 19:35.26 | dotted | im looking forward to reading the new lotr book |
| 19:35.34 | Bagginsww | well ya, preorder gest you automatically into beta test |
| 19:35.44 | Sarge | new lotr book? what ya talkin bout? |
| 19:35.52 | Sarge | okay nice bagginsww |
| 19:35.55 | Bagginsww | Uh, Children of Hurin |
| 19:36.02 | Sarge | Righty |
| 19:36.16 | dotted | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Hurin |
| 19:36.21 | Bagginsww | basically sarge you could preorder get your beta key, and cancel your preorder if that's all youw ant to dod |
| 19:36.22 | Bagginsww | *do |
| 19:36.34 | Bagginsww | if the game isn't for you |
| 19:36.50 | Sarge | how much...it would cost? |
| 19:37.11 | Bagginsww | preordering is free, if you preorder from Amazon |
| 19:37.36 | Bagginsww | the game itself is $49 when its released for regular edition, 59.99 for the collectors |
| 19:38.08 | Sarge | ok thnx for the info mate |
| 19:38.10 | Bagginsww | it doesn't matter which version you preorder you'll get same bonuses either way. You don't get collector's edition bonuses until its released |
| 19:38.25 | Bagginsww | in europe there is 3 editions though or so I've read |
| 19:38.36 | Bagginsww | regular, special and collector's |
| 19:39.03 | Bagginsww | the bonuses vary somewhat |
| 19:39.39 | Bagginsww | although special has everything regular has, plus a few extras that get unlocked when the game is released |
| 19:39.53 | Bagginsww | collector's has more boxed extras |
| 19:40.58 | Sarge | yep |
| 19:41.38 | Bagginsww | Our special edition here in the US is kind of a mix of collector's and speciels. |
| 19:41.45 | Bagginsww | *special |
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| 19:41.56 | Adys | hey tek |
| 19:44.23 | Tekkub | erf |
| 19:44.37 | dotted | .................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. |
| 19:45.32 | dotted | that was a self-portrait |
| 19:45.39 | Teomyr | MORE DOTS |
| 19:45.49 | dotted | .................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. |
| 19:45.51 | dotted | you got it |
| 19:46.00 | Teomyr | OKAY, STOP DOTS |
| 19:46.49 | dotted | i heard a new one of Dives, man thats even worse than the ony one |
| 19:48.37 | Adys | Man |
| 19:48.40 | Adys | you guys are bored |
| 19:50.04 | dotted | which i cant find anymore :((( |
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| 19:50.30 | Mikk | >>> DEEP BREATH INCOMING! RUN TO THE SIDES! <<<< |
| 19:50.38 | Mikk | [Raid Warning] FFS MORE DOTS! |
| 19:50.42 | Tekkub | MORE DOTS! |
| 19:50.53 | Adys | ooh |
| 19:50.58 | Adys | memories of my onyxia firstkill ^^ |
| 19:51.06 | Adys | COME ON GUYS 1% |
| 19:51.12 | Mikk | "More dots" is so bullshit tho =P |
| 19:51.16 | Adys | rofl |
| 19:51.17 | Adys | yea |
| 19:51.51 | dotted | http://rikerwow.ytmnd.com/ <- thats fun tho |
| 19:52.45 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2sPl_Z7ZU THAT is fun =P |
| 19:56.00 | dotted | now thats just being no life |
| 19:56.15 | Adys | or skilled =) |
| 19:56.17 | dotted | http://www.thestar.com/News/article/200265 <- :/ |
| 19:57.38 | dotted | he probably had a digitizer, makes painting easier :D |
| 19:57.52 | Adys | i doubt he did it with the mouse aye :P |
| 19:57.57 | Sarge | so.. anyone plays WoW on Kor'Gall realm? |
| 19:59.22 | dotted | http://mcisserious.ytmnsfw.com/ <- here it was |
| 20:00.16 | dotted | owns the ony wipe tbh :D |
| 20:01.24 | dotted | http://explainseriousbusiness.ytmnd.com/ xD |
| 20:01.52 | Sarge | wtf is that dotted? that first link |
| 20:02.16 | dotted | Sarge try it in IE |
| 20:02.37 | Sarge | nah :D |
| 20:02.40 | Mikk | keylogger! |
| 20:02.49 | dotted | .................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. |
| 20:03.05 | Bagginsww | dotted, wants to be banned :p |
| 20:03.14 | Sarge | WTF that WAS FUCKING KEYLOGGER? |
| 20:03.33 | dotted | open the source for the page, search for .mp3 - play it in what ever player you have -.- |
| 20:04.01 | dotted | Sarge yes and now i have you akunt inf0z !§!1111oneone |
| 20:04.05 | dotted | -.- |
| 20:04.31 | dotted | install quicktime if you want mp3 playback in FF |
| 20:05.03 | Sarge | roflmao |
| 20:05.59 | Sarge | http://www.warcraftmovies.com/stream.php?id=38010 omfg check this d00dz xD |
| 20:07.05 | Bagginsww | Oh teomyr, there is more info and a screenshot for so-called half-draenei model in the Garona's thread, any chance you try to track down that model file, and get some more views from it? close up of the head, side views, back view etc? |
| 20:07.30 | Teomyr | i'll have a look |
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| 20:08.11 | Sarge | bagginsww do u play liek world of warcraft? |
| 20:11.30 | Bagginsww | Gnome Mage |
| 20:11.34 | dotted | Bagginsww what where` |
| 20:11.35 | dotted | ? |
| 20:11.39 | Sarge | yea |
| 20:11.40 | Sarge | lvl? |
| 20:11.47 | Bagginsww | Gorganash, level 70 |
| 20:11.53 | Sarge | ^^ |
| 20:12.04 | Sarge | have 63 warr @ KorGall |
| 20:12.06 | Bagginsww | not that many alts LOL |
| 20:12.19 | Bagginsww | I hate leveling its boring in the game to me :p |
| 20:12.24 | Sarge | yeah |
| 20:12.26 | Sarge | well |
| 20:12.34 | Sarge | youve been raiding karazhan ? |
| 20:12.37 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 20:12.46 | Sarge | u r in a good guild? |
| 20:12.46 | Bagginsww | couple of epics from there so far |
| 20:13.06 | Bagginsww | I think the guild is pretty cool. Don't know how it compares to other on the server. |
| 20:13.20 | Sarge | okay |
| 20:13.29 | Bagginsww | most people have alot of experience from Naxx and old 40 man raids |
| 20:13.37 | Sarge | so do i :) |
| 20:13.59 | Sarge | had T2/T3 set on my warr |
| 20:14.05 | Sarge | i have* |
| 20:14.31 | dotted | Bagginsww SS of the model? |
| 20:14.50 | Bagginsww | hmm screenshot of who? |
| 20:14.59 | Bagginsww | of my gnome? |
| 20:15.22 | Sarge | ^_^ |
| 20:15.35 | dotted | half-draenei model |
| 20:16.13 | Bagginsww | hmm well ya someone pulled the model out of the game's files, its unclear if its was meant to be half-draenei or female Broken |
| 20:16.18 | Bagginsww | its apparently unfinished whatever it is |
| 20:16.27 | Bagginsww | but I'd like more views from it |
| 20:16.39 | Bagginsww | side, back, close up of hits head shape |
| 20:18.03 | Teomyr | that's just another example of the shit that's present in the MPQs |
| 20:18.42 | Bagginsww | there is alot of unfinished stuff right? |
| 20:18.48 | Teomyr | yes |
| 20:19.12 | Sarge | what are u talking about? half-draenei model? |
| 20:19.22 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Half-draenei |
| 20:20.19 | Sarge | rofl looks retarded |
| 20:20.31 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 20:20.54 | Bagginsww | best I can tell its based off a female orc model, but looks incomplete LOL |
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| 20:21.35 | Teomyr | i wonder how he got that screen |
| 20:21.47 | Teomyr | probably emulated server or sth |
| 20:21.53 | Bagginsww | I think so |
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| 20:22.12 | Sarge | wtf.. |
| 20:22.22 | Sarge | i keep disconnecting all the time for no reason :S |
| 20:22.26 | Teomyr | then it'll be difficult to reproduce |
| 20:24.14 | dotted | whats wrong with model viewr now a days? |
| 20:32.28 | Bagginsww | what is the base model for the broken males? |
| 20:32.40 | Bagginsww | I mean what was the model built from |
| 20:37.19 | dotted | tauron male |
| 20:39.18 | Bagginsww | wow, someone removed "Thrall" from the common word list... main reason its there is because Thrall made a big deal of its meaning in Rise of hte Horde |
| 20:39.25 | Bagginsww | reverting :p |
| 20:40.03 | dotted | Bagginsww i think the half-draenei model is just a glitch |
| 20:40.15 | dotted | female orc with draenei textures |
| 20:40.48 | Bagginsww | could be |
| 20:40.55 | Bagginsww | that's happened a few times to me |
| 20:41.08 | Bagginsww | I mean one race glitching over another race |
| 20:41.29 | dotted | take alook at the hooves, those arent "modeled" like on the draenei its just a flat texture |
| 20:41.42 | dotted | i think its bogus |
| 20:41.45 | Mikk | "This image in NOT datamined. I found it accidentely while I was looking for the model of High Astromancer Solarian (TK raid)." |
| 20:41.50 | Mikk | How does that not make it datamined? |
| 20:41.59 | Bagginsww | Odd ya? |
| 20:42.13 | Teomyr | i'm not familiar with model ids |
| 20:42.28 | Bagginsww | I'd say its datamined though, original scrolls of lore article says the perosn was looking through modle viewer |
| 20:42.39 | Teomyr | but the model ids in CreatureDisplayInfo don't even go up to that number |
| 20:42.44 | Bagginsww | had to find it in side file sof hte MPQ or something |
| 20:44.21 | dotted | its fake nuff said ;) |
| 20:44.47 | Bagginsww | Bas, "discovery" is because he ran into the discusison of scrolls of lore |
| 20:45.00 | Bagginsww | he isn't hte one that originally took the picture |
| 20:45.28 | dotted | still fake :p |
| 20:46.42 | Bagginsww | http://forums.scrollsoflore.com/showthread.php?t=1671 |
| 20:48.13 | Bagginsww | possible icy/bas |
| 20:48.19 | Bagginsww | icy is bas |
| 20:50.30 | dotted | im regging on the board so i can say its fake, im so sad |
| 20:51.40 | Bagginsww | It could be a hoax yes |
| 20:51.45 | Bagginsww | no way to no for certain :p |
| 20:51.49 | Bagginsww | *know |
| 20:52.25 | dotted | i know im right |
| 20:56.26 | Bagginsww | maybe you'd like to leave your thoughts on the image's talk page, or the discussion in the Garona talk page? |
| 21:02.50 | dotted | no way ;p |
| 21:05.05 | Bagginsww | why not? |
| 21:06.49 | dotted | im trying to prove it, but i cant get mywarcraftstudio to use the naked draenei male texture :(( |
| 21:07.10 | Bagginsww | :( |
| 21:08.34 | Bagginsww | But ya if you can prove its a hoax, that certainly clear things up :) |
| 21:09.19 | Adys | Lol mikk |
| 21:09.26 | Adys | at "the image is NOT datamined"e |
| 21:09.59 | Bagginsww | indeed |
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| 21:19.18 | dotted | cant get it too work damnit |
| 21:26.10 | dotted | i did find this tho |
| 21:26.11 | dotted | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/duffman/emicyvgzlx3.jpg |
| 21:26.34 | Teomyr | rofl |
| 21:33.11 | dotted | anyone know a good proggy that can rename alot of files at once? |
| 21:33.55 | Bleeter | combination of mv(1), find(1), sh(1) |
| 21:59.29 | Adys | Dotted, aye |
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| 22:05.20 | dotted | Bagginsww i gave op proving it, but posted my theory on the talk page |
| 22:10.58 | foxlit | http://tbcraiding.ytmnd.com/ |
| 22:11.01 | foxlit | sound <3 |
| 22:17.54 | dotted | http://achtungwowfans.ytmnd.com/ :///// |
| 22:26.43 | dotted | I |
| 22:26.44 | dotted | AM |
| 22:26.45 | dotted | BORED |
| 22:26.47 | dotted | AND |
| 22:26.48 | dotted | NEED |
| 22:26.50 | dotted | SOMETHING |
| 22:26.51 | dotted | TO |
| 22:26.52 | dotted | DO |
| 22:26.53 | dotted | NOW |
| 22:26.55 | dotted | PLX |
| 22:26.55 | dotted | ! |
| 22:31.39 | Shadowed | Where is that voice from in the tbcraiding ytmnd |
| 22:31.46 | Shadowed | I swear i've heard it before but i can't figure out where |
| 22:35.56 | dotted | Shadowed click the ytmnd logo in the cornor |
| 22:37.25 | Shadowed | ahh Nickelodeon, no wonder it sounded familiar |
| 22:54.03 | Adys | If you're bored |
| 22:54.07 | Adys | tell me what you think about that |
| 22:54.09 | Adys | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=273198025&sid=1 |
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| 23:15.25 | Shadowed | TLDR |
| 23:17.48 | Shadowed | Adys: It's not really valid to complain about 2vs2, Blizzard has basically said that it's unbalanced and prone to stacking thats why you don't get 100% points |
| 23:19.03 | Shadowed | Halaa works better as a large group because everyone in the raid gets it, if you're trying to solo when 5-10 other people are attacking/defending it you aren't going to get tokens, they *want* you to group up |
| 23:20.22 | Shadowed | The fact that they didn't allow PvE -> PvP transfers was silly, would have been nice to give people the option to change realms and try something completely new |
| 23:20.41 | Adys | it would have underpopulated pve servers |
| 23:20.58 | Adys | as for wanting me to group up its fine, but they should do it another way |
| 23:21.15 | Adys | Like, getting a bonus for being grouped |
| 23:21.21 | Adys | but not getting everything only if grouped |
| 23:21.41 | Adys | I could give you a million reasons why I dont want to/cant group up at some point |
| 23:21.41 | Shadowed | I was suprised they didn't make it just give it to everyone who got honor |
| 23:21.54 | Shadowed | Easy way to go AFK somewhere closeby and get 100 tokens! |
| 23:21.55 | Adys | because you can tag with wand or whatever and run away |
| 23:22.46 | Adys | I was about to say when i typed the post that they should have made it like honor. For example, for 21 honor, you get 7 tokens. For 3 honor, you get 1 token |
| 23:22.54 | Shadowed | The Halaa tokens are rather easy to get, the main issue is faction inbalance |
| 23:22.56 | Adys | but i realized the honor system was fucked up enough for healers |
| 23:23.41 | Shadowed | infact, the main issue with the world pvp on pve servers is faction inbalance, nobody wants to assault Halaa when they're going to get zerged 5 to 1 |
| 23:23.47 | Adys | y |
| 23:24.09 | Adys | hence why i said instead of factions, they should have "grouped realms" up if they wanted enemies |
| 23:24.55 | Adys | as for 2v2, Im not specially complaining about 2v2 |
| 23:25.03 | Adys | I actually found 2v2 to be easier as mage than 3v3 |
| 23:25.50 | Adys | Im complaining about the fact class imbalance matters ALOT in arenas, being 5v5, 3v3 or 2v2 |
| 23:25.50 | Adys | and every arena battle counts when you are on the "race" |
| 23:25.50 | Shadowed | faction balance isn't that bad in 5vs5 |
| 23:26.02 | Adys | its still much more important than for bgs |
| 23:26.10 | Adys | they should have waited to fix the classes to release arenas |
| 23:26.18 | Shadowed | Battlegrounds are a joke =p |
| 23:26.49 | Adys | Yes my point exactly |
| 23:26.57 | Adys | battlegrounds dont matter that much in term of class balance |
| 23:27.00 | Shadowed | You can't balance the classes, this isn't an FPS there will always be something thats better then another there was some glaring unbalances like Ice Lance, but they did a pretty good job of fixing it |
| 23:27.20 | Adys | Look Shadowed, Im not asking for perfect balance |
| 23:27.29 | Adys | but right now the classes are broken, purely and simply |
| 23:28.16 | Adys | its one point beetween many others |
| 23:28.21 | Shadowed | What classes? |
| 23:28.21 | Adys | what worries me is the pve aspect of the game |
| 23:28.46 | Adys | Warlocks, Rogues, Mages, Priests, Shamans, Paladins |
| 23:28.54 | Adys | in "majority" |
| 23:29.17 | Adys | incorrect scalings, spells too powerful, retarded cooldowns.. |
| 23:29.24 | Shadowed | Rogues aren't overpowered at all |
| 23:29.38 | Shadowed | Priests really aren't either, Shadow Priests are annoying but we're not talking overpowered |
| 23:29.52 | Adys | Im not saying they are OP |
| 23:29.59 | Adys | they are broken, not OP |
| 23:30.20 | Adys | broken is something that is not enjoyable to play or to be played against |
| 23:30.48 | Adys | think about it for a sec |
| 23:30.59 | Shadowed | It sounds more like you have problems with your teammates rather then what you're playing against |
| 23:31.34 | Shadowed | not every person is going to enjoy every class, sometimes you just rolled the wrong one |
| 23:32.07 | Adys | did i say in arenas? |
| 23:32.10 | Adys | did i even say in pvp |
| 23:32.17 | Adys | these classes are broken |
| 23:32.20 | Shadowed | "or to be played against" |
| 23:32.25 | Adys | or to be played |
| 23:32.35 | Adys | when you are in a raid, as a mage |
| 23:32.38 | Shadowed | "broken is something that is not enjoyable to play or to be played against" |
| 23:32.40 | Adys | you need to give your dps |
| 23:32.43 | Shadowed | against :p |
| 23:32.49 | Adys | and you play "against" others, there |
| 23:32.55 | Adys | as dps you play against other dps |
| 23:33.05 | Adys | hard to explain, its late, but you get the point |
| 23:33.32 | Shadowed | Raiding reduces every class to one role, it's not something that you can change without making the dungeons stupidly easy or unbalanced. |
| 23:33.35 | dotted | "I think the reason so many people are open to hearing about Jesus in the World of Warcraft is because the majority of people who play the game are lonely kids who don't have any friends. I doubt any of them play sports so you can pretty much guess that there are lots of gay boys and fat little pale-faced Wiccan girls on the servers who hate themselves and escape into virtual characters so they don't have to deal with their pathetic lives. When t |
| 23:33.52 | dotted | kek |
| 23:34.00 | Shadowed | wheres that? |
| 23:34.02 | dotted | http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0105/wow.html |
| 23:34.41 | Shadowed | hmmmm |
| 23:34.49 | Shadowed | Something seems ironic about him being an UD |
| 23:34.57 | dotted | rogues and melee classes are broken in general raid wise |
| 23:35.02 | dotted | Shadowed idd |
| 23:35.20 | Shadowed | They're fixing the melee issue in 2.1.0 |
| 23:35.23 | dotted | but they are fixing that in patch 2.1.0 it seems |
| 23:38.49 | Shadowed | Arguing arena stuff on the EJ forums is rather amusing though |
| 23:38.58 | Shadowed | because when you lookup the people, half of them aren't even in a team |
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