| 00:06.04 | Hobinheim | what's up |
| 00:06.10 | Hobinheim | i'm currently dying at work |
| 00:06.19 | Hobinheim | ready to leave and treat myself to mcdonald's |
| 00:06.21 | Hobinheim | fuck the world |
| 00:06.53 | Skyfire | i don't know what i was going to tell you... that was a long time ago :x |
| 00:07.31 | Hobinheim | sorry buddy |
| 00:07.34 | Hobinheim | next time don't wait |
| 00:07.35 | Hobinheim | just say |
| 00:07.44 | Skyfire | lol |
| 00:07.50 | Skyfire | i should xd |
| 00:11.59 | Hobinheim | ok leaving |
| 00:12.02 | Hobinheim | take care |
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| 02:42.06 | Kitan | hobinheim |
| 02:42.09 | Kitan | whats up? |
| 02:42.36 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | just got back from work |
| 02:42.52 | Kitan | sweet... question.... |
| 02:43.25 | Kitan | Adys was suggesting I strip out all external links not in the elinks-quest template... ie goblin workshop... how important is that? |
| 02:43.38 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | uhh i dunno |
| 02:43.39 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | link me? |
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| 02:45.12 | Kitan | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Quest%3AMinshina%27s_Skull&diff=576758&oldid=477684 |
| 02:47.36 | Kitan | the elinks-quest is easily replaced.. I have that algorithm written.. but worried about removing everything after that and before the categories |
| 02:49.04 | Kitan | I was considering removing every non www.wowwiki.com link post that.. but giventhe external links discussion I wasn't sure I wanted to just start auto removing external links |
| 03:01.17 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | sounds elaborate.... |
| 03:01.34 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | i dunno =( |
| 03:18.35 | Kitan | not sure it is elaborate |
| 03:18.53 | Kitan | other than some are for no external links besides the big three and others want all links as long as they follow the rules :) |
| 03:20.21 | Skosiris | Kitan: what are the upcoming changes to the external links you are referring to? |
| 03:21.55 | Kitan | well there is a bot request to change {{elinksquest}} to {{elinks-quest}} |
| 03:22.05 | Kitan | I was looking at pages to get a feel for what was there for my bot |
| 03:22.32 | Kitan | and saw external links not a part of the template. It was suggested that I just remove any not in there.. but given the discussion about external links |
| 03:22.41 | Kitan | on the village pump I am wary of just removing them |
| 03:25.10 | Kitan | I think I am going to leave all of the external links |
| 03:25.27 | Kitan | and just change the template |
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| 03:32.48 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | yeah just focus on the template |
| 03:33.09 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | you sound like you're not too sure about selectively removing links, i.e. you might be removing more than you want |
| 03:35.06 | Kitan | well.. I can be sure I amjust removing links between the template and the bottom. |
| 03:35.28 | Kitan | but it sounds like according to WW:EL anyone can have one link per page as long as it is in the External links section |
| 03:35.42 | Kitan | and I don't want to start removing links if that is true |
| 03:35.57 | Kitan | I think Adys just didn't lik ethat site or something because it wasn't ID based. |
| 03:36.28 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | it is a mystery... |
| 03:36.31 | Kitan | of course the WW:EL hasn't been voted on yet... |
| 03:36.43 | Kitan | I will just do the template.. possibly tomorrow night |
| 03:36.47 | Kitan | ok thanks Hob |
| 03:36.48 | Kitan | later |
| 03:37.02 | Kitan | also I applied for the Template_Engineers.. if nothing else to get an idea of what templates are coming |
| 03:37.05 | Kitan | for bot updates |
| 03:38.16 | Kitan | good night |
| 03:40.36 | Hobinheim|Voodoo | oh boy slowwiki |
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| 05:18.09 | Skyfire | hmmm... can i get an admin? |
| 05:20.41 | Adys | ? |
| 05:21.21 | Skyfire | can you delete http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Mage ? I made it earlier, and I've decided (with the help of hobin) that its a bit of overkill :x. I'll get the one page that uses it edited |
| 05:21.29 | Adys | ok |
| 05:21.50 | Adys | lol, yeah it is |
| 05:22.11 | Adys | tbh i dont like big navboxes |
| 05:22.19 | Adys | categories can do the job, eventually |
| 05:22.28 | Adys | and dont have to be updated AND kill the wiki when they are |
| 05:22.37 | Skyfire | lol |
| 05:24.00 | Skyfire | something for parser functions, i think... you can make navboxes that you can close (like the ToC) |
| 05:24.13 | Adys | js |
| 05:24.16 | Adys | not parser functions |
| 05:24.26 | Skyfire | :O! |
| 05:24.45 | Adys | Navboxes are nice to find stuff you're likely to want to find, when you're on a specific page |
| 05:25.16 | Adys | "This article is about ..., but these articles are about similar things. Maybe you were looking for them?" |
| 05:25.22 | Skyfire | yeah |
| 05:25.32 | Skyfire | hobin said focus on usefulness xD |
| 05:25.35 | Skyfire | to* |
| 05:25.41 | Adys | y |
| 05:25.46 | Adys | Category:Mage is enough here |
| 05:25.52 | Skyfire | yes |
| 05:26.22 | Adys | I find for example the Instance Navigation Boxes really great |
| 05:26.27 | Adys | with list of bosses etc |
| 05:26.46 | Adys | gives me an easy access to which boss im gonna face even if i dont remember the name |
| 05:27.05 | Skyfire | yeah, i love those. however, it's impossible to get them to float with pictures next to them like you can |
| 05:27.08 | Skyfire | >_< |
| 05:27.14 | Skyfire | want* |
| 05:27.17 | Adys | however, i personally never use the zone navboxes |
| 05:27.37 | Adys | but if we had Javascript i'd probably be up to do a minimap |
| 05:27.50 | Adys | ive got a fair idea of what we could do |
| 05:28.14 | Skyfire | class footer still annoys me... :/ |
| 05:28.22 | Adys | y |
| 05:28.23 | Adys | same |
| 05:28.30 | Adys | i remove them as i see them |
| 05:28.55 | Skyfire | you shouldn't; it's what i planned to have replaced with that big nav box... but that big nav box might have been too big >_< |
| 05:28.56 | Adys | same for prof footers |
| 05:29.17 | Adys | no, they are both as useless imo |
| 05:29.22 | Skyfire | ehhhh |
| 05:29.36 | Adys | you got a link to Category:Mage if you want to browse |
| 05:30.19 | Skyfire | true |
| 05:30.53 | Skyfire | im wondering... |
| 05:31.02 | Adys | Look |
| 05:31.11 | Adys | when you're on the page [[Frost Armor]] |
| 05:31.27 | Skyfire | yeah |
| 05:31.28 | Adys | Why in hell's name would you be looking for the page [[Portal:Silvermoon]]? |
| 05:31.44 | Skyfire | yar |
| 05:32.21 | Skyfire | lol |
| 05:32.27 | Skyfire | edited right from underneath ya ;P |
| 05:34.26 | Adys | I can see why the zone navboxes are useful, but |
| 05:34.44 | Adys | if we had javascript, I'd probably do a minimap |
| 05:35.00 | Skyfire | yeah |
| 05:35.05 | Skyfire | minimap would be cool |
| 05:35.22 | Adys | i've got most of the code in head right now, and the design |
| 05:36.25 | Adys | princip would be an ingame-like map |
| 05:36.48 | Adys | that would onclick bring you to the current mouseover |
| 05:37.01 | Adys | its simple as hell, it's even doable with html |
| 05:38.02 | Skyfire | that would be crazy... |
| 05:38.10 | Adys | no, simple |
| 05:38.25 | Adys | thats also why i want the png maps |
| 05:38.58 | Skyfire | lol |
| 05:38.59 | Skyfire | pft |
| 05:39.01 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2sPl_Z7ZU |
| 05:39.11 | Skyfire | crazy = cool |
| 05:39.13 | Skyfire | :P |
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| 05:55.10 | Bagginsww | ahh, hah, more proof that Aeleas either never played Warcraft II, or has forgotten it ;). |
| 05:55.41 | Bagginsww | I was going back over the ingame cutscenes and there is a scene of Gul'dan opening the Tomb of Sargeras and being attacked by the daemons he set free |
| 05:55.58 | Bagginsww | so there was no retcon between Warcraft II and TFt on that element |
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| 05:57.04 | Bagginsww | needs to take a screenshot :) |
| 06:05.25 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:SargerasCinematicW2.JPG |
| 06:05.38 | Bagginsww | well one is already in the wiki |
| 06:05.55 | Adys | would rather have you take one |
| 06:06.05 | Adys | DarkTichondrias makes me wanna puke |
| 06:06.27 | Skyfire | why? |
| 06:06.39 | Adys | because he does |
| 06:06.48 | Skyfire | :x |
| 06:18.34 | Skyfire | yeah... uh, i remember him being slain in w2 :/ |
| 06:18.50 | Skyfire | i actually think it was in the battle.net book |
| 06:23.02 | Skyfire | maybe he didn't have that? :X |
| 06:45.26 | Skyfire | or maybe he nvr finished the campaign |
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| 07:05.12 | Bagginsww | Adys, I agree, LOL |
| 07:05.22 | Adys | :P |
| 07:05.50 | Skyfire | what went on... |
| 07:05.59 | Adys | about darktichondrias |
| 07:06.02 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 07:06.40 | Skyfire | :/ |
| 07:07.09 | Bagginsww | copy it delete it and rename it :p |
| 07:07.20 | Bagginsww | Because its not a picture of sargeras LOL |
| 07:11.54 | Skyfire | LOL |
| 07:12.00 | Skyfire | somebody's sig on the wow forums |
| 07:12.11 | Skyfire | |W|O|W|W|I|K|I| - my anti-drug |
| 07:12.14 | Skyfire | :D |
| 07:12.36 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 07:12.41 | Skyfire | btw |
| 07:12.58 | Bagginsww | I'm addictedc to Warcrack |
| 07:13.06 | Skyfire | there's something wrong with {{unsigned}}; you can't view anyone's contribs :/ |
| 07:14.40 | Skyfire | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Spell_Damage_Coefficients |
| 07:14.49 | Skyfire | clicking on his contribs button won't work.. |
| 07:15.04 | Adys | Ill fix that |
| 07:15.43 | Adys | hah, its a bug with {{user}} actually |
| 07:15.49 | Skyfire | :/ |
| 07:16.09 | Skyfire | lol |
| 07:16.28 | Skyfire | u gonna fix that? |
| 07:16.36 | Adys | already done |
| 07:16.48 | Skyfire | yay |
| 07:17.08 | Skyfire | it works now :) |
| 07:17.16 | Bagginsww | well, I'm off gnight all. |
| 07:17.21 | Adys | nn baggins |
| 07:18.08 | Skyfire | i think ill do the same |
| 07:18.19 | Adys | nn sky |
| 07:18.22 | Skyfire | nitessss |
| 07:18.33 | Skyfire | oh yah |
| 07:19.00 | Skyfire | in mirc, does "/quit sleep" make it do the "Skyfire disconnected (Sleep)"?> |
| 07:20.18 | Skyfire | ugh |
| 07:20.20 | Skyfire | adys |
| 07:20.24 | Adys | ? |
| 07:20.36 | Adys | on mirc i dont know |
| 07:20.41 | Adys | on miranda it does at least |
| 07:20.54 | Adys | mirc kinda sucks btw |
| 07:20.55 | Skyfire | ban user Kavana please. just vandalized: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Help:Editing&curid=2841&diff=577461&oldid=526547&rcid=489590 |
| 07:21.06 | Adys | k ill take care of this |
| 07:21.16 | Skyfire | reverting |
| 07:21.24 | Adys | already done |
| 07:21.34 | Skyfire | lol |
| 07:21.35 | Skyfire | hey! |
| 07:23.18 | Skyfire | guess i really will go to sleep now >_> |
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| 10:08.01 | Adys | and teomyr |
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| 12:55.31 | Kitan | hello all |
| 12:55.56 | Kaos | Hello Kitan |
| 12:56.09 | Kaos | Btw if I wanted to write an extension for WoWwiki who would I need to speak too? |
| 12:58.31 | Kitan | like a bot? |
| 12:58.55 | Kaos | Nah a pure extension :) |
| 12:59.45 | Kaos | It would involve the person what had file server access to WoWWiki |
| 13:00.05 | Kitan | ahh... I have no idea then |
| 13:00.37 | Kaos | yeah thats why I was asking :) Couldn't see it on the website anywhere :) |
| 13:00.55 | Kitan | I believe that that is Rustak btw... He just changed the server over to lighttpd so he must have access. :-P |
| 13:02.49 | Kaos | Thanks I'd imagine someone who knows for sure would be able to help on that one :) |
| 13:04.51 | Kitan | from what I understand from the village pump no on does but the person who owns /administrates the server |
| 13:04.55 | Kitan | which I believe is rustak |
| 13:05.09 | Kitan | I would put your request onthe village pump.. Someone will answer you I am sure. |
| 13:06.04 | Kaos | Thanks Kitan, posted the question hopefully Rustak will respond :) In the meantime I might deploy the extension on my own Realm based Wiki just so the admins can see it in action. |
| 13:09.05 | Teomyr | what kind of extension is that? |
| 13:09.15 | Teomyr | <-- curious :P |
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| 13:20.14 | Adys | "If I had an idea regarding an extension for WoWwiki who should I contact?" From village pump |
| 13:20.20 | Adys | hah, you were talking about it |
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| 13:21.27 | Adys | Kaos_: sancus, or rustak. But i dont really get what kind of extension you want, like teomyr said |
| 13:23.43 | Kaos_ | Well in a nut shell (though wait until I deploy anything for a final judgement) what if I was to say you could have any item from the game displayed with full tooltips that automatically updates when places like Allakazham does etc |
| 13:23.54 | Kaos_ | In the format <item>item name</item> |
| 13:24.11 | Adys | We been working on that for a while :P |
| 13:24.19 | Kaos_ | Ah well i'm done :) |
| 13:24.24 | Adys | you're not the first to ask hehe |
| 13:24.49 | Kaos_ | I'd imagine but mine is ready just need to sort out a few things then I can deploy it :) |
| 13:30.58 | Teomyr | what? huh? *slowly wakes up* |
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| 13:33.04 | Teomyr | i already wrote a generic tooltip extension, not just for items |
| 13:33.18 | Teomyr | http://vs157092.vserver.de/wowwikitest/index.php/Tooltips |
| 13:33.49 | Teomyr | but there are issues with that, i think. it requires a patch to mediawiki because otherwise, you can't use templates within the tooltips |
| 13:34.17 | oam_ | tooltips are relativly simple tho;) |
| 13:34.36 | oam_ | have a div and visible:hidden; or visible ;) |
| 13:34.40 | Kaos | Ah I see what you're doing there, this is more of a system that pulls content from external sites (such as thott or alla) then populates the wiki with the HTML generated by that item pull |
| 13:35.00 | Kaos | which is in the format of a tooltip, but it can also be the full item or just the item's icon |
| 13:35.22 | Teomyr | Kaos, that's what i was going to do next; use a template or template-like parser function call within the tooltip to retrieve the code for this item |
| 13:35.52 | oam_ | allso, making your own <key> item is not realy a good fix;) |
| 13:36.27 | Teomyr | <key> item? |
| 13:36.37 | Kaos | Well its cool guys, I developled this for my own wiki, just thought While I was doing it other people might be interested :) |
| 13:36.52 | Kaos | I think he means the format of <item>item name or id</item> |
| 13:37.02 | Teomyr | aah |
| 13:37.49 | Teomyr | well, it's probably justified. parser functions like {{item:...}} can't output javascript since it's stripped for security reasons, whereas the <item>...</item> syntax passes this |
| 13:38.05 | Teomyr | have you deployed it already, kaos? would love to see it ^^ |
| 13:38.29 | Kaos | Not yet, the code on my side is ready but I need to tweak things on the public server where it will be deployed |
| 13:38.45 | Teomyr | okay |
| 13:39.12 | Teomyr | i'd love to integrate such an extension with wowhead, but it's xml feeds are not available yet |
| 13:39.26 | Kaos | Well I have been playing with Armory parsing :) |
| 13:39.34 | Teomyr | aaah |
| 13:39.37 | Teomyr | good idea |
| 13:41.20 | Kaos | Problem with the Armory is, it seems that not all the items display unless they are on a profile of an existing character. WoWhead xml would be ideal and I've already written the xml parser just need the format from the wowhead people (once they release it) |
| 13:41.28 | Teomyr | yes *pokes skosiris* |
| 13:44.23 | Kaos | I'll keep you updated though Teo, should be tuesday when I get the chance to deploy it (check your pms) |
| 13:44.33 | Teomyr | okay :) |
| 13:45.17 | Teomyr | maybe the most flexible way to integrate such tooltips would be 1) an extension that displays tooltips on mouseover, along with 2) an extension that delivers the contents of an item tooltip as wiki markup |
| 13:45.40 | Teomyr | this gives you more flexibility |
| 13:47.32 | Kaos | definately, its not what I've done in this version as the extracts from lots of websites are quite poor, I'm really waiting on an realible xml feed from somewhere (*fingers crossed for wowhead*) then I can go to town with a more general xml to wiki markup converter back end then apply a transformation template for wowhead converting its xml to wiki |
| 13:47.55 | Teomyr | nice |
| 13:47.59 | Teomyr | xslt ftw! |
| 13:48.18 | Teomyr | though another issue would be caching |
| 13:48.44 | Kaos | you'd cache in a database (which is what it does currently) |
| 13:49.15 | Teomyr | good |
| 13:49.27 | Adys | teomyr, ill poke skosiris next time hes on |
| 13:49.45 | Teomyr | yes! do it! :D |
| 13:49.46 | Kaos | and you cache the final already translated data (html/wiki etc) that way all the extension does when a second call is made is just open the database, pull the data and insert it into the page. |
| 13:50.04 | Adys | meanwhile need bit more sleep, back in a hour or so |
| 13:50.12 | Teomyr | hf |
| 13:50.13 | Kaos | Currently though as I have to deal with thott and alla its pulling HTML |
| 13:50.22 | Teomyr | ugh |
| 13:50.29 | Kaos | and then caching that HTML, so i admit its not as clean as it can be, but its a start |
| 13:50.37 | Teomyr | yeah |
| 13:50.56 | Teomyr | first i was trying to implement a dbc/wdb parser, but, well, that was too complex |
| 13:51.16 | Teomyr | it worked, but was too difficult to maintain |
| 13:51.24 | Teomyr | and it had some bugs |
| 13:52.01 | Teomyr | so it would probably be best to leave this parsing up to the people who know best (wowhead!) although this makes us depend on them |
| 13:52.06 | Kaos | well the idea would be to put out a working tool, then when you have lots of people picking it up and using it you gain the interest to warrant a proper recode from the ground up. |
| 13:52.28 | Kaos | Well this system pulls multiple websites |
| 13:52.42 | Kaos | if it cannot reach a site it pulls from a different one, and the parsers are modula |
| 13:52.54 | Kaos | so I use one parser for Thott and a different one for Alla for example |
| 13:52.59 | Teomyr | wow, nice :) |
| 13:53.25 | Kaos | So you build a parser working with wowhead xml feeds and if that fails then you fall back onto the HTML parser for alla |
| 13:55.16 | Teomyr | that sounds really good |
| 13:56.28 | Kaos | Right then I suppose its just time to put my money where my mouth is :) I'll send you the demo early next week |
| 13:57.38 | Teomyr | thanks :) |
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| 14:29.31 | Kitan | Adys |
| 14:34.47 | Kitan | let me know when you are back Adys |
| 14:35.06 | Kitan | Actually Mikk and Teomyr might know too :) |
| 14:35.11 | Kitan | if either of you are here |
| 14:44.18 | Adys | back |
| 14:44.46 | Kitan | I am ready to run the elinksquest template update. |
| 14:45.07 | Kitan | so far my updates are much smaller than KasoBot so I don't have to put something on the village pump right? |
| 14:45.31 | Kitan | just don't want to spam everyone repeatedly :) |
| 14:46.24 | Adys | aye |
| 14:46.32 | Adys | just put your stuff on User:KitanBot |
| 14:46.42 | Adys | afk again a bit |
| 14:46.50 | Kitan | ok sounds good. I will run it sometime tonight mytime then |
| 14:46.52 | Kitan | later |
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| 15:53.16 | winkiller | any admin here? |
| 15:53.28 | winkiller | just requested pass by mail, doesn't seemt o get here |
| 15:53.37 | winkiller | or I'm dumb and checked the wrong adresses |
| 15:59.39 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Wifekillers very strange article... I'm not sure how to categorize it... |
| 16:00.21 | Bagginsww | and its one of those articles that talks about alot of nothing, :P |
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| 16:38.00 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Garona_Halforcen#Un-used_half-draenei_model |
| 16:43.58 | Teomyr | can't find it |
| 16:44.02 | Teomyr | the model, that is |
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| 16:57.42 | Bagginsww | thanks, I say we just remove that bit then? |
| 16:57.51 | Bagginsww | well we can move it into the talk page |
| 17:07.04 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Garona_Halforcen |
| 17:07.07 | Bagginsww | moved it to the talk page |
| 17:08.10 | Teomyr | kk |
| 17:08.31 | Teomyr | if it really exists, the editor should have provided the file name |
| 17:10.06 | Bagginsww | ya, good point, could you ask him for that |
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| 17:14.47 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Garona_Halforcen#Parentage_.28speculation.29 bah, I moved that around a bit to hightlight lore, over more speculatory parentage section |
| 17:15.00 | Bagginsww | but the picture is leaving a nasty space :p |
| 17:16.05 | Bagginsww | if someone has the time to fix that I'd appreciated it, I have to leave now |
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| 20:46.14 | MacHarborGuy | hello, I have a question about an article on the wiki |
| 20:52.18 | dotted | shoot |
| 20:52.39 | dotted | dont ask to ask, just ask :) |
| 20:52.45 | dotted | MacHarborGuy |
| 20:52.53 | MacHarborGuy | heh |
| 20:53.09 | MacHarborGuy | well, I host the Theorycraft show on WoW Radio and we went over the Hit tables in this past tuesdays show |
| 20:53.30 | MacHarborGuy | one of the listeners posted some information in our forum about attacks from behind, and that blocks become misses |
| 20:53.48 | MacHarborGuy | however another section of the wiki states the opposite, that blocks are just canceled flat out |
| 20:54.14 | dotted | hmm |
| 20:54.16 | MacHarborGuy | i was wondering what would be the best way to point out that the two sections contradict eachother without editing the pages like crazy |
| 20:54.36 | dotted | the talk page |
| 20:54.43 | MacHarborGuy | k, thanks |
| 20:54.54 | dotted | np |
| 20:55.34 | dotted | btw. great show :P |
| 20:56.30 | MacHarborGuy | thanks, hopefully I will be more on the ball with episode 3+. 2 was just crap for me as a lot of RL stuff dropped on me as soon as the show started |
| 20:56.57 | dotted | only heard episode 1 thus far |
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| 21:11.29 | dotted | i must admit that i find it heard to believe that a block = miss from behind |
| 21:16.46 | Skosiris | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28920#M0z |
| 21:17.11 | Skosiris | which screenshot is wrong? |
| 21:19.06 | dotted | checking |
| 21:20.50 | dotted | afaics the red one is the old level 60 epic version |
| 21:21.31 | dotted | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=18828&locale=enUS;source=live |
| 21:21.33 | dotted | Skosiris |
| 21:22.15 | Skosiris | Alla might have an outdated screenshot :p |
| 21:22.49 | dotted | there are 2 items with the same name |
| 21:22.50 | Teomyr | the screenshot with the weapon being dual-wielded is correct |
| 21:22.57 | Teomyr | just checked in game |
| 21:23.13 | Skosiris | the greenish one, right? |
| 21:23.30 | dotted | MacHarborGuy http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Formulas:Weapon_Skill it seems it have alredy been noted (scroll to bottom) |
| 21:23.34 | dotted | Skosiris yes |
| 21:23.45 | Skosiris | aight, thanks |
| 21:24.52 | Teomyr | how are the xml feeds progressing, skosiris? we may need them soon :D |
| 21:25.58 | Skosiris | who would "we" be referring to? :) |
| 21:26.01 | dotted | gief WoR tooltip script tbh :p |
| 21:27.06 | Teomyr | us. the wiki. we're thinking about implementing a wiki extension for item tooltips |
| 21:27.25 | Teomyr | and because thott & allakhazam suck, we're waiting for your xml feeds :P |
| 21:27.26 | Skosiris | ohh |
| 21:27.40 | Skosiris | well |
| 21:27.47 | Skosiris | the feeds are already available, just not officially released yet ;) |
| 21:28.09 | Skosiris | say you want to retrieve the tooltip of the High Warlord's Cleaver, simply add &xml to the URL |
| 21:28.19 | Skosiris | e.g. http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28920&xml |
| 21:28.32 | Teomyr | !! |
| 21:28.33 | Teomyr | phat! |
| 21:29.22 | Skosiris | I need to fix something in the tooltips |
| 21:29.47 | Skosiris | it currently uses <table>'s, which is bad :P |
| 21:29.56 | Teomyr | yes :D |
| 21:30.05 | dotted | S |
| 21:30.05 | dotted | E |
| 21:30.05 | dotted | X |
| 21:30.06 | dotted | Y |
| 21:30.08 | dotted | ! |
| 21:31.09 | Teomyr | indeed |
| 21:34.11 | Teomyr | the tables are for creating two columns in one row, aren't they? |
| 21:34.49 | Skosiris | they are used to "cut" the tooltip in 2 parts |
| 21:34.58 | Skosiris | split* |
| 21:35.34 | Teomyr | why two parts? |
| 21:36.23 | Skosiris | the upper part is allowed to expands to larger than 300px (we don't want the item's name to wrap), while the lower part (which contains the Equip:, Use:, etc spells) isn't allowed to do so (we wouldn't want long descriptions to stretch the tooltip to 2000 pixels wide) |
| 21:36.57 | Teomyr | wow. clever |
| 21:37.06 | Skosiris | in other words, there are 2 parts so that tooltips are displayed the same way as in-game :) |
| 21:45.20 | Peter | dont do that |
| 21:45.22 | Peter | :'/ |
| 21:45.29 | Peter | [2245:03] Teomyr:#wowwiki DCC Send tooltip-rowtest.html (84.163.116.116) |
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| 21:45.44 | Bleeter | aye, I think teomy might've made a mistake there |
| 21:45.53 | Teomyr | curse you, drag'n'drop |
| 21:45.56 | MacHarborGuy | heh |
| 21:45.56 | Peter | virus mebbe |
| 21:45.58 | Peter | oh |
| 21:46.04 | MacHarborGuy | won't hurt me, i'm on a mac :D |
| 21:46.13 | Teomyr | sorry all |
| 21:46.14 | Peter | no shit |
| 21:46.15 | Skosiris | Teomyr: did you just send me a file? |
| 21:46.23 | Bleeter | Teomyr: no probs mate :) |
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| 21:46.36 | Teomyr | yes, my client tried to because i accidentally dropped it to the wrong window |
| 21:46.53 | Skosiris | kk |
| 21:47.00 | Bleeter | client's too stupid to have a 'confirm' dialog before trying to send, eh? |
| 21:47.16 | Skosiris | are there any chances the fact that WoWWiki is using our xml feeds might convince Tekkub/Gryphon to put Wowhead back at the top of the Elinks-item template? :P |
| 21:47.17 | Teomyr | seems so. though i normally never use dcc at all :D |
| 21:47.35 | Tekkub | Tek's wanted that for a long time |
| 21:47.57 | Tekkub | but... Tek doesn't thing the root admins will ever update the server to a state where we can do that |
| 21:48.05 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.33 | Tekkub | or did I miss something? |
| 21:48.40 | Skosiris | you mean that the server couldn't handle a change in the template? |
| 21:49.27 | Tekkub | I mean I don't think it's possible to make the edit you want right now is it? |
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| 21:49.53 | Tekkub | not that the server couldn't handle it, but rather that MW isn't capable in it's current config |
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| 21:50.29 | Adys | Skosiris: We are sorting a policy about external links atm |
| 21:50.44 | Tekkub | and yea, we're working on elinks :) |
| 21:50.49 | Adys | Tekkub, what i think he wants is the elinks to be reordered |
| 21:50.55 | Adys | Wowhead/Thottbot/Allak/AW |
| 21:51.05 | Tekkub | the policy right now says "alpha sort, but not applicable to the elinks-* templates |
| 21:51.09 | Adys | y |
| 21:51.14 | Tekkub | :) |
| 21:51.15 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:EL |
| 21:52.28 | Skosiris | kk |
| 21:52.30 | Bleeter | my only thought: I can see and appreciate Skosiris point of view, that is wowwiki is using wowhead data for display, and thusly wowwiki benefits from wowhead's data integrity. |
| 21:52.53 | Bleeter | so, maybe, where wowhead data is displayed inside wowwiki, it should be noted 'data provided by wowhead' or similar |
| 21:52.53 | Tekkub | I personally think that 1) we need more WDB-parsed love 2) head could give us that and 3) if they did they should get some sort of recognition |
| 21:55.38 | Teomyr | it'd be cool if wowhead & wowwiki could be interconnected in some way |
| 21:55.54 | Tekkub | I'm all for it |
| 21:55.56 | Teomyr | that is, not only wowwiki->wowhead, but, for example wowhead->wowwiki |
| 21:56.00 | Adys | brb |
| 21:56.14 | Teomyr | like transcluding articles from wowwiki ^ |
| 21:56.31 | Tekkub | yea, head could get a "wiki page" section in pages where related articles could be linked :) |
| 21:56.34 | Adys | y |
| 21:56.34 | Bleeter | well, yes, as a user, I think wowwiki needs a decent 'loot' site, and as a wowhead user, they need a decent wiki ... but even more importantly, I need coffee. bbiab. |
| 21:56.34 | Teomyr | like http://vs157092.vserver.de/wow/whww.png :P |
| 21:56.41 | Adys | exactly teo hehe |
| 21:56.50 | Skosiris | hell yeah :) |
| 21:57.06 | Teomyr | that'd be freaking cool :D |
| 21:57.14 | Tekkub | well Bleeter, I kinda think those should be seperate but interconnected :) |
| 21:57.36 | Tekkub | head for parsed data, wowwiki for user-created articles |
| 21:57.50 | Tekkub | the wiki is not a good design for item pages really |
| 21:57.50 | Skosiris | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=18344 |
| 21:58.06 | Tekkub | oh, Skos, I had another idea for you guys |
| 21:58.12 | Skosiris | say this page, there's a lot of empty space to the left of the Quick Facts box where an excerpt of the corresponding WowWiki article could be displayed |
| 21:58.27 | Teomyr | yes, that's what i mean |
| 21:58.28 | Tekkub | when someone links a head page in a comment, instead of showing the URL show the page title |
| 21:58.55 | Tekkub | like that link would show up in the text as "blha blah _Nexus-Prince Shaffar_ blah blah" |
| 21:59.44 | dotted | \o/ |
| 21:59.58 | Tekkub | and yea skos, something akin to the wiki's {{See also}} on head pages would be neat |
| 22:00.55 | dotted | [00:00:00] ::: Day changed to (Sunday, April 8th 2007). |
| 22:01.09 | dotted | and why did i type that? |
| 22:05.03 | Adys | lol |
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| 22:34.19 | Adys | back later, maybe, or tomorrow |
| 22:34.30 | Teomyr | see ya |
| 22:49.43 | Teomyr | Skosiris, will the xml feeds be expanded? with things like drop rates or user comments |
| 23:03.34 | Skosiris | probably not in the public feeds anyone can use |
| 23:05.05 | Skosiris | I'd like to challenge anyone who's proficient in CSS to help me with something :) |
| 23:05.17 | Skosiris | something.. that is driving me mad in Opera |
| 23:05.38 | Teomyr | ask! |
| 23:09.10 | Skosiris | http://www.wowhead.com/test4.html |
| 23:09.48 | Skosiris | I'm trying to remove the need for <table>s to align text to the left & right on the same line |
| 23:09.57 | Skosiris | it's working fine in IE and Firefox |
| 23:10.35 | Skosiris | but for some reason it wraps on 2 lines on Opera |
| 23:11.32 | Teomyr | strange |
| 23:17.10 | Teomyr | opera seems to calculate the whole tooltip's width from the left part of the green row |
| 23:19.54 | oam | Skosiris: try a container for both |
| 23:20.03 | Skosiris | that must be the reason why I love those good 'ol tables :P |
| 23:20.09 | Teomyr | hehe |
| 23:21.04 | oam | Skosiris: <div style="width:100%"><div style="width:100%;margin-right:50%"></div><div style="width:50%;float:right;"></div></div> |
| 23:22.19 | Teomyr | zeal had an interesting approach to this when he made templates for the wiki |
| 23:22.45 | Teomyr | he used a html list, with each row as a <li> |
| 23:23.53 | Teomyr | but, that doesn't seem to work well in opera as well. forget it. |
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| 23:25.22 | Skosiris | oam: http://www.wowhead.com/test4.html |
| 23:25.59 | Skosiris | "float: right" can't be used as it expands the width of the red div to 100% =/ |
| 23:32.15 | Tekkub | [[WW:EL]] Adding in 'In cases where domain name is not appropriate (free hosts, video sites), or where the site is directly tied to a guild, the guild's name and server will be used as the site name and sorting parameter. For example, "Death and Taxes (Korgath US)"' |
| 23:32.19 | Tekkub | ^^^ |
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| 23:37.10 | Skosiris|dinner | alright, I'll just stick with <table>'s |
| 23:37.18 | dotted | Skosiris|dinner isnt the problem just that the width opera uses is too small? just use a min-width, but that could be a problem for IE users |
| 23:38.40 | Lysistrata | They really should start using the same settings ... ^^ |
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| 23:38.52 | Teomyr | the problem is that opera doesn't take the width of the text into account that is being put to the right of the damage values |
| 23:39.34 | dotted | then use min-width? |
| 23:39.46 | Skosiris | yeah but min-width: what? |
| 23:39.52 | dotted | 300px? |
| 23:40.12 | Teomyr | a bit ugly, but might work :D |
| 23:40.21 | oam | Skosiris: didn't notice you had no width set (seeing how divs are 100% or set width) |
| 23:40.21 | Teomyr | i mean, an ugly workaround |
| 23:40.29 | Skosiris | well, grab the test4.html file and give it a try :P |
| 23:40.33 | Skosiris | I couldn't get the min-width to work fine |
| 23:40.44 | Skosiris | http://www.wowhead.com/test4.html |
| 23:41.51 | Skosiris | feel free to mess with the code as much as you'd like, as long as the end result is the same |
| 23:42.08 | dotted | http://www.bxd.dk/wow/wowhead.PNG? |
| 23:42.56 | dotted | seems fine to me or am i missing something? |
| 23:43.08 | Skosiris | the end result isn't the same here |
| 23:43.16 | Skosiris | the tooltip is larger than necessary =/ |
| 23:44.54 | dotted | you sir are demanding :p |
| 23:45.11 | Skosiris | hehe :P |
| 23:46.27 | Skosiris | I want the tooltips to be perfect (in all browsers) |
| 23:46.27 | oam | ai:P |
| 23:46.45 | Skosiris | would there be any reason not to use <table>s? |
| 23:47.32 | dotted | not really, tables are meant to hold data - which they do :p |
| 23:48.05 | dotted | so you cant accept say 1 letter wider then needed tooltips? |
| 23:48.46 | Skosiris | hold on, let me give you an example :) |
| 23:49.03 | Skosiris | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28160 |
| 23:49.23 | dotted | bah nvm the idea i had in mind wouldnt work |
| 23:49.55 | Skosiris | it's all right, I'll just keep using tables |
| 23:49.59 | Skosiris | thanks for the help! |
| 23:50.31 | oam | just can't come up with a solution at 0200 |
| 23:50.32 | Teomyr | <div style="display: table-cell; border-right: 1px solid white; padding-right: 4em;">149 - 224 Damage</div><div style="display: table-cell;">Speed 2.60</div> |
| 23:50.50 | Teomyr | works in ff 2.0, opera 9 |
| 23:51.08 | Teomyr | but not in ie 6, that probably kills it :P |
| 23:51.46 | oam | http://www.w3schools.com/css/pr_class_display.asp |
| 23:52.00 | oam | but still doesn't change the fact that divs are 100% wide unless given a width..? |
| 23:52.17 | Skosiris | or unless they're floating |
| 23:52.29 | oam | well |
| 23:52.55 | Skosiris | Teomyr: how does the "speed 2.60" part get aligned to the right? |
| 23:53.42 | oam | why couldn't they all use http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27683 as the basic width ? |
| 23:53.53 | Skosiris | oh nvm lol |
| 23:54.29 | Skosiris | simply because some items don't need to be that much wide e.g. http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28160 |
| 23:54.43 | Teomyr | Skosiris: the two cells are defined to behave like table cells, by "display: table-cell", so they're displayed besides each other |
| 23:54.44 | oam | but a dirty hack could be that you use javascript to place the float to a placeholder:P |
| 23:55.19 | Teomyr | (the border-right i put in that definition was just to check where the damage-div ends) |
| 23:55.29 | Skosiris | kk |
| 23:56.07 | Teomyr | though, that solution unfortunately doesn't work in IE6 |
| 23:56.23 | oam | anyway, nn :) |
| 23:56.23 | Teomyr | and neither in IE7 |
| 23:56.52 | Skosiris | [19:51] <Teomyr> <div style="display: table-cell; border-right: 1px solid white; padding-right: 4em;">149 - 224 Damage</div><div style="display: table-cell;">Speed 2.60</div> |
| 23:57.01 | Skosiris | a simpler equivalent that even works is IE6 is: |
| 23:57.10 | Skosiris | <div style="float: left; padding-right: 4em;">149 - 224 Damage</div><div style="float: left">Speed 2.60</div> |
| 23:57.15 | Skosiris | <div style="clear:both"></div> |
| 23:57.39 | Skosiris | however, the "Speed 2.60" part doesn't get aligned to the right of the tooltip should the name of the item be very long, for instance |
| 23:57.56 | Teomyr | that's bad |
