| 00:00.08 | Adys | nn teo :) |
| 00:00.40 | Adys | Any verb that would be a synonym to "fix" / "repair", in three syllabs? |
| 00:00.57 | Adys | And Im not playing crosswords, im just trying to find decent lyrics to a parodical song to get blizzard to fix their game |
| 00:02.25 | Karrius | Refurbish? |
| 00:02.29 | Adys | wth |
| 00:02.39 | Karrius | ? |
| 00:02.46 | Adys | What the hell does that mean :P |
| 00:03.08 | Karrius | It's like "Fixed + Touched up", only I likely spelt it wrong. |
| 00:03.26 | Karrius | Like, you referbish (e there? u? dunno) an old chair, you fix it, repaint it, etx. |
| 00:03.30 | Karrius | Make it look new again |
| 00:03.37 | winkiller | Defense 350 after 4d 12h at 70! |
| 00:03.48 | Adys | This aint getting in my song :P |
| 00:04.21 | Adys | winkiller: staves still 299 here, with over 230 days at 60 and more at 70 |
| 00:04.33 | winkiller | Adys: I'm a rogue. melee and such |
| 00:04.33 | Adys | tho i gotta admit i havent used staves in a while. |
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| 00:23.42 | Kirkburn|afk | G'night! |
| 00:24.20 | winkiller | bye |
| 00:26.45 | Bleeter | nn Kirkburn|afk |
| 00:27.30 | Kirkburn|afk | PC is going to force me to restart in a while :/ |
| 00:27.59 | Bleeter | noes! not teh vistaz! |
| 00:28.04 | Adys | heya kirk |
| 00:28.08 | Adys | wtf |
| 00:28.22 | Kirkburn|afk | I run IRC on my XP laptop |
| 00:28.27 | Adys | ha k |
| 00:28.41 | Adys | it just had dinged a Kirkburn is online thing :/ |
| 00:28.59 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 00:29.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Like this? |
| 00:29.19 | Adys | nope, you didnt go offline |
| 00:29.27 | Adys | since you went afk that is |
| 00:35.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Gawd, some people, I was just trying to talk to Mikk and he buggers off |
| 00:36.05 | Karrius | Maybe you shouldn't have started the conversation with "a/s/l" ? |
| 00:36.18 | Adys | lol |
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| 00:38.58 | Adys | talk to me, Kirk, instead! |
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| 00:39.48 | Kirkburn|afk | I already know the answers to a/s/l anyway :( |
| 00:41.02 | Adys | i found that leaving comment very adapted to the situation |
| 00:41.26 | Adys | anyways |
| 00:41.28 | Adys | im off to bed too :) |
| 00:41.30 | Adys | nn peeps |
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| 01:21.47 | Tekkub | okey, we need to smackdown Gsdkp |
| 01:24.41 | Tekkub | is elink-bumping a punishable offense? |
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| 01:26.50 | Bleeter | i'm just looking at the lurker below elink, and it's just ugly compared to the other elinks |
| 01:27.07 | Karrius | elink? |
| 01:27.24 | Bleeter | dunno if there's a policy, but if there isn't I'd suggest something like 'use (the current format) or insert after the correctly formatted ones' |
| 01:27.27 | Tekkub | I think that's the one I just reverted |
| 01:27.40 | Bleeter | aye, that's why I thought I'd talk bout that one specifically ;) |
| 01:27.50 | Tekkub | well more than that, a number of the edits were simply pushing their link up |
| 01:28.13 | Tekkub | making a pump post on the issue... |
| 01:28.34 | Bleeter | k, well imo link promotion shouldn't really occur. first in best dressed, unless there's some way to randomize them |
| 01:28.47 | Bleeter | otherwise it'll just theoretically cause an edit war |
| 01:29.00 | Bleeter | just my 2c |
| 01:30.57 | Tekkub | random would require a bot skimming and re-randomizing new edits |
| 01:31.13 | Tekkub | all I can think of is submitting to alpha by site name |
| 01:31.18 | Tekkub | sadly |
| 01:31.31 | Tekkub | I'm gonna make an Elink template for everyone to start using |
| 01:31.56 | Tekkub | {{Elink|sitename|link|optional description}} |
| 01:32.37 | Tekkub | sitename will get an icon and define the link text |
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| 01:50.49 | Yithnal | hello |
| 01:53.59 | Yithnal | if the randomization can be done with PHP, I can write it. |
| 01:54.32 | Yithnal | I don't know enough about mediawiki to know what can be done with templates quite honestly |
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| 01:58.49 | veesicle_ | why do people feel the need to insert so much crap on wowwiki |
| 01:59.36 | sancus | it's a wiki |
| 02:01.22 | veesicle_ | :( |
| 02:01.22 | veesicle_ | wikipedia doesnt have this much crap |
| 02:01.22 | Yithnal | lol |
| 02:01.22 | veesicle_ | it makes me sad |
| 02:01.22 | veesicle_ | esp. the poor prose |
| 02:01.23 | veesicle_ | do people have no self respect |
| 02:01.23 | Yithnal | i think teh proze roxorz |
| 02:03.08 | veesicle_ | someone give them a pulitzer prize asap |
| 02:04.19 | veesicle_ | i wonder if you can use wikipedia editing programs to edit wowwiki |
| 02:05.24 | veesicle_ | if i just change all instances of wikipedia.org to wowwiki.com right right |
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| 03:57.47 | Gryphen | lol @ veesicle_ |
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| 05:49.30 | Apollozeus | <veesicle_> wikipedia doesnt have this much crap <-- ehm |
| 05:49.42 | Apollozeus | just check the Special:New Pages |
| 05:49.57 | Apollozeus | more crap than the rest of the internet altogether |
| 06:03.22 | Bleeter | 'more crap at your fingertips.. than on them' |
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| 09:12.04 | Teomyr | morning |
| 09:12.31 | JunkHead-Work | Morning |
| 09:12.34 | Eylena | huhu |
| 09:33.07 | drin | :) |
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| 11:19.47 | Apollozeus | lawl @ my evil infiltration skills |
| 11:31.53 | JunkHead-Work | ? |
| 11:41.04 | Apollozeus | I downloaded the american wow >_> and I got myself a trial key |
| 11:41.14 | Apollozeus | well, free trial offer rather |
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| 11:46.40 | Apollozeus | ugh |
| 11:46.42 | Apollozeus | stupid patches |
| 11:47.05 | Apollozeus | when you download the trial you need to download like three of them before you can finally play |
| 11:55.23 | Kirkburn | You love it really |
| 11:55.32 | Apollozeus | I do |
| 11:55.35 | Kirkburn | Why on earth are you getting the trial anyway? |
| 11:55.41 | Apollozeus | I sneaked my way into the american wow :p |
| 11:56.13 | Teomyr | omg hax |
| 11:56.34 | Apollozeus | the american wow has a 'randomize' function when picking a name |
| 11:56.48 | Apollozeus | I wonder why the european equivalent doesn't have that |
| 11:56.58 | Teomyr | oO |
| 12:00.00 | Kirkburn | Too complicated for the DE and FR editions? |
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| 12:25.40 | Adys | back later |
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| 13:13.30 | Teomyr | why doesn't the "featured article" on the main page link to the article itself? |
| 13:14.26 | Kirkburn | It does now |
| 13:15.05 | Kirkburn | I forgot to fix it when I updated the text |
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| 13:15.16 | Teomyr | :D |
| 13:17.21 | Adys | Teomyr: beep |
| 13:18.04 | Adys | Where the hell are the quest text and item names stored? |
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| 13:19.15 | Kirkburn | Btw, look up "fan art" on google |
| 13:19.24 | Kirkburn | Tell me what the first result is |
| 13:19.37 | Adys | image results |
| 13:20.00 | Adys | first text results is www.fanart-central.net |
| 13:20.01 | Kirkburn | No, normal |
| 13:20.16 | Adys | second one is blizzard's fan art program |
| 13:20.21 | Kirkburn | Ah, google.fr ftw |
| 13:20.29 | Kirkburn | On .co.uk Blizz is first |
| 13:20.49 | Adys | http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fan+art&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a not for me? |
| 13:21.04 | Kirkburn | Get rid of all that following crap? |
| 13:21.16 | Adys | http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fan+art same |
| 13:21.16 | Kirkburn | =) |
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| 13:21.38 | Kirkburn | Perhaps it's because I have a google account |
| 13:21.44 | Kirkburn | Anyways, 2nd ain't bad |
| 13:21.54 | Adys | so do I kirk :P |
| 13:22.47 | Adys | "fan art" and fan art give the same results |
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| 13:26.20 | Teomyr | sorry, was afk |
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| 13:27.05 | Adys | Teomyr: the quest/item stuff cant be serverside, since its pulled differently on a different client language, can it? |
| 13:27.30 | Adys | and i strongly doubt it's in the exe |
| 13:27.37 | Teomyr | they're sent to the client as needed |
| 13:27.45 | Adys | hm |
| 13:27.46 | Teomyr | while playing |
| 13:28.15 | Kirkburn | Argh, Ithar's edits annoy me |
| 13:28.24 | Adys | mkay |
| 13:28.31 | Teomyr | but they're cached in the wdb files in Cache\WDB\xxXX |
| 13:28.48 | Adys | yeah figured |
| 13:28.57 | Adys | why did i ask that at first |
| 13:29.02 | Kirkburn | His method of taking stuff off the uncategorised list was just to stick a category on them, even if they're guilds |
| 13:29.43 | Adys | i had a reason to be <sure> it wasnt sent by the server |
| 13:29.43 | Adys | and i forgot it :s |
| 13:29.50 | Teomyr | they are sent by the server |
| 13:30.14 | Teomyr | but they're cached so the client doesn't have to request them over and over again |
| 13:30.32 | Adys | yeah i know they are cached |
| 13:30.58 | Adys | and now i think about it it's retarded to cache up data you got on your comp ~~ |
| 13:31.06 | Adys | but i did have something about that |
| 13:31.35 | Kirkburn | Trackmania United ftw |
| 13:31.40 | Kirkburn | Adys, played TM? |
| 13:31.46 | Adys | nope |
| 13:31.47 | Adys | why? |
| 13:31.51 | Kirkburn | It's french :P |
| 13:31.58 | Adys | ok oO |
| 13:32.00 | Kirkburn | What about Rayman? |
| 13:32.08 | Adys | oooh |
| 13:32.11 | Adys | old memories :D |
| 13:32.18 | Teomyr | :D |
| 13:32.24 | Kirkburn | I have Rayman on my Wii :) |
| 13:32.28 | Adys | ^^ |
| 13:38.57 | Tuqui-tuqui | :o |
| 13:39.01 | Tuqui-tuqui | is it a good game? |
| 13:39.05 | Tuqui-tuqui | like a great party game? |
| 13:39.12 | Kirkburn | What, TM:U? |
| 13:39.21 | Kirkburn | Or Rayman Raving Rabbids? |
| 13:39.24 | Tuqui-tuqui | Rayman |
| 13:39.33 | Kirkburn | Yeah, quite good |
| 13:39.44 | Kirkburn | Pretty good for parties, too |
| 13:39.53 | Tuqui-tuqui | cool.... :O |
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| 13:51.06 | Kirkburn | Wow, TM:U is unlike any game I've ever played before |
| 13:51.21 | Kirkburn | The networking is really built in to it |
| 13:51.32 | Kirkburn | Online rankings, replays, news |
| 13:52.58 | winkiller | anone knows how I can install a second (other lang) version of wow? |
| 13:53.13 | Teomyr | which one? |
| 13:55.57 | Adys | winkiller: account management |
| 13:59.16 | Teomyr | omg |
| 13:59.52 | Teomyr | my brother just claimed that i wanted to delete my acc and give away all my gold |
| 14:00.09 | Teomyr | now i'm being spammed with whispers -_- |
| 14:02.01 | Teomyr | winkiller, if you have deDE installed, you should also have enGB and frFR in case that's what you want |
| 14:02.15 | Teomyr | just change it in the interface options |
| 14:02.27 | Teomyr | as for other languages, i don't know |
| 14:03.26 | Adys | teo, really personally i dont |
| 14:03.31 | Adys | i installed the game in french |
| 14:03.35 | Adys | i only had the french version |
| 14:03.40 | Adys | I had to download the english one |
| 14:03.45 | Adys | and now i only got french/english |
| 14:03.56 | Adys | you download it at account management btw |
| 14:05.27 | Teomyr | really strange. i didn't choose to install the other languages, but the installer did it anyway |
| 14:05.45 | Teomyr | can't remember having downloaded a separate install |
| 14:11.28 | Adys | my installer was french, this might be the reason |
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| 14:17.04 | Kirkburn | Lol - http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.wowinsider.com/media/2007/04/france_hfp.jpg |
| 14:18.11 | Adys | saw it :P |
| 14:25.22 | Apollozeus | yeah, that rocked |
| 14:25.40 | Apollozeus | they had ones from ireland and england some time ago too, if I recall correctly |
| 14:31.00 | Teomyr | lol |
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| 14:45.23 | Kirkburn | TM:U rocks |
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| 15:01.34 | winkiller | ah sorry, back now |
| 15:01.48 | winkiller | Teomyr: no,I have a pure enGBN install and downloaded the sliminstaller for deDE |
| 15:01.53 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | what's TM:U? |
| 15:01.56 | winkiller | I want a separate 2nd installation |
| 15:02.34 | Teomyr | so you have one folder with both enGB and deDE, but you want one folder for enGB and one for deDE? |
| 15:05.25 | Teomyr | theoretically, it would work if you copy over the whole world of warcraft folder and then delete the unnecessary files (delete the corresponding language folder from data and change the locale in WTF/Config.wtf) |
| 15:06.56 | Kirkburn | One of the best new things in TM:U is the engine cut out blocks. You have to get from it to the next checkpoint without /any/ power |
| 15:09.43 | Teomyr | sounds interesting. i've played tm:nations for a while... it's one of these addictive "come-on-one-more-try"-games :P |
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| 15:49.07 | Tekkub | my husband is an idiot |
| 15:49.30 | Tekkub | he puts half a skillet of stirfry... mostly noodles... down the disposal all at once |
| 15:49.42 | Tekkub | then gets bitchy with me that the disposal is clogged |
| 15:49.57 | Tekkub | gee, worked fine for me the last 3 times I used it |
| 15:50.27 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | ... |
| 15:50.34 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | waste of FOOD!!! |
| 15:50.39 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | clearly you aren't asian |
| 15:50.42 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | cuz you would have ATE IT |
| 15:50.44 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | and LIKED IT |
| 15:50.54 | Tekkub | I ate a lot last night and liked it |
| 15:51.04 | Tekkub | the issue is he put the whole package of noodles in it |
| 15:51.17 | Tekkub | it was a LOT of noodles |
| 16:01.01 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | dude just swing your ban hammer around |
| 16:01.07 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | whoever gets hit is their own damn fault |
| 16:04.30 | Lysistrata | wtf? |
| 16:06.12 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | in village pump, tekkub felt bad for dispensing justice without citing a policy |
| 16:06.15 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | i say, just do it |
| 16:06.38 | Tekkub | it's just going to keep coming back |
| 16:06.54 | Tekkub | we need a specific policy on elinks |
| 16:07.08 | Tekkub | I'm about to just say screw it, alpha sort em |
| 16:07.15 | Tekkub | fuck the elinks templates |
| 16:07.36 | Tekkub | make one elink template that adds an icon |
| 16:10.22 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | can you link me to which one you're talking about |
| 16:10.43 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | pretty please with a polar bear on top |
| 16:20.32 | Gryphen | if alpha, then by main domain |
| 16:20.32 | Gryphen | people will just do aaa.elinksite.com |
| 16:20.32 | Gryphen | hah |
| 16:20.32 | Gryphen | im first! |
| 16:20.47 | Gryphen | or some lame thing |
| 16:21.27 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | aardvark.wowhead.com |
| 16:22.25 | Gryphen | fansites really could use an overhaul too :/ |
| 16:22.49 | Gryphen | half are probably snuck in gold sales heh |
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| 16:41.54 | Kirkburn | Tekkub, sexied: http://www.wowwiki.com/Mineral |
| 16:42.37 | Kirkburn | Gryphen, aye it probably does need another going over |
| 16:42.44 | Kirkburn | Probably could do with a table design? |
| 16:42.50 | Gryphen | ya |
| 16:42.52 | Gryphen | something |
| 16:42.57 | Kirkburn | anything! |
| 16:43.00 | Gryphen | not that i care really hah |
| 16:43.04 | Gryphen | i never go to it |
| 16:43.11 | Gryphen | but watch it for spam |
| 16:44.11 | Adys | <idea> |
| 16:44.13 | Gryphen | but its linked from sidebar, so it should be "a higher standard of quality" hehe |
| 16:45.25 | Adys | Kirkburn |
| 16:45.31 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Mineral#External_Links |
| 16:45.40 | Adys | We could make this the "default external link icon" |
| 16:45.53 | Adys | If the website doesnt have its external link on the website |
| 16:46.13 | Adys | (cry, why cant we use {{Exist}} anymore.. i had a good idea about this) |
| 16:47.01 | Hobinheim|work | no! |
| 16:47.03 | Hobinheim|work | no more exists |
| 16:47.06 | Hobinheim|work | i was right! |
| 16:47.06 | Adys | :[ |
| 16:47.08 | Hobinheim|work | don't do it! |
| 16:47.43 | Apollozeus | LOL THATD BE ME |
| 16:47.57 | Adys | oO? |
| 16:48.09 | Apollozeus | don't you like randomness? :D? |
| 16:48.42 | Tekkub | we can do it without exists |
| 16:48.51 | Tekkub | and I like taht :) |
| 16:49.24 | Tekkub | I'll make a generic elink template right now |
| 16:50.15 | Kirkburn | Who knows, {{exists}} may be able to come back some day soon... |
| 16:50.23 | Kirkburn | I've moved off the official sites from Fansites |
| 16:50.26 | Kirkburn | (duh) |
| 16:50.26 | Tekkub | oxists doesn't need to |
| 16:50.37 | Tekkub | we NEED the parse funcs |
| 16:50.49 | Tekkub | Kirk, any timeframe on those upgrades? |
| 16:50.52 | Tekkub | ever? |
| 16:50.56 | Kirkburn | I know, our benevolent leader has a list |
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| 16:51.26 | Kirkburn | Hey ClydeJr |
| 16:51.26 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+v ClydeJr] by ChanServ |
| 16:51.33 | ClydeJr | heya |
| 16:59.06 | Kirkburn | EQ2 has had 311 patches apparently |
| 16:59.21 | Kirkburn | With under 3 days between patches :/ |
| 17:00.36 | Apollozeus | wow |
| 17:00.36 | vlad_ | yeah, they patch often |
| 17:00.36 | Apollozeus | must be annoying when you come from a vacation |
| 17:00.36 | vlad_ | very few big-bang patches |
| 17:00.36 | Apollozeus | come back* |
| 17:00.36 | vlad_ | not really, their patches aren't incremental like WoW's |
| 17:00.36 | Kirkburn | SW:G 195, 5.5 days |
| 17:00.36 | vlad_ | it just patches up all your files to the current version individually |
| 17:00.43 | Apollozeus | nice |
| 17:00.54 | Kirkburn | WoW is on about 3 weeks per patch (47 total) |
| 17:01.08 | Apollozeus | speaking of patches |
| 17:01.09 | vlad_ | it's pretty nice when an issue is found to be able to expect a patch for it in less than a week |
| 17:01.12 | Apollozeus | it's about time they release 2.1 |
| 17:01.14 | vlad_ | instead of a month or two like wow |
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| 17:01.23 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I can see the benefit to that |
| 17:01.48 | Apollozeus | vlad_, it seems they're sorta changing that though |
| 17:01.57 | Tekkub | yatta! |
| 17:01.59 | Apollozeus | we're now getting a patch every two weeks |
| 17:02.02 | Tekkub | {{Elink}} ^^ |
| 17:02.03 | Apollozeus | 2.10 -> 2.12 |
| 17:02.07 | Kirkburn | Btw, if anyone wants to help go through http://www.wowwiki.com/Fansites and "clean out the crap", I'd appreciate it (do it section by section in case of conflicts) |
| 17:02.12 | Tekkub | http://www.wowwiki.com/Mineral#External_Links |
| 17:03.42 | vlad_ | Apollozeus: yeah, but those patches tend to fix issues that were found 4-6 weeks ago, at least historically |
| 17:03.54 | vlad_ | though it'd be good if they're trying to lower the time between issue and fix |
| 17:04.03 | vlad_ | then again, it usually takes blizzard at least a month to admit that something is an issue |
| 17:04.14 | Apollozeus | oh well |
| 17:04.26 | Apollozeus | I don't bother with the forums |
| 17:04.31 | Apollozeus | just a bunch of flaming and whining |
| 17:05.19 | Kirkburn | A question - http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Boilerplate:Item&curid=33451&diff=575541&oldid=561190&rcid=487667 |
| 17:05.45 | Hobinheim|afk | PS, Azerothian? |
| 17:05.47 | Hobinheim|afk | c'mon... |
| 17:05.50 | Hobinheim|afk | =P |
| 17:09.49 | Tekkub | screw you |
| 17:09.58 | Tekkub | I'm putting in Outlandish too now |
| 17:14.20 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 17:24.27 | Hobinheim|afk | LOL |
| 17:24.33 | Hobinheim|afk | DO IT |
| 17:24.36 | Hobinheim|afk | OUTLANDISH |
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| 17:25.56 | Teomyr | omg |
| 17:25.58 | Teomyr | my pc normally crashes once a month |
| 17:26.08 | Teomyr | and as soon as i'm over at a friend's, i get three bluescreens in a row -_- |
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| 17:27.50 | Hobinheim|afk | once a month is a lot |
| 17:27.53 | Hobinheim|afk | what are you running? |
| 17:29.07 | Teomyr | world of warcraft :P |
| 17:29.26 | Hobinheim|work | os, man, os... |
| 17:30.00 | Teomyr | windows xp. what else? *glances at kirkburn* |
| 17:30.15 | Kirkburn | rawr |
| 17:30.20 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 17:30.49 | Teomyr | we were trying to transfer stuff over a firewire cable |
| 17:30.57 | Teomyr | my system didn't seem to like it |
| 17:32.25 | Hobinheim|work | xp is rock solid. i blame the user |
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| 17:32.41 | Adys | lo peeps |
| 17:32.46 | Teomyr | i blame my soundcard, which provides the firewire port |
| 17:32.49 | Teomyr | hi adys |
| 17:32.57 | Adys | Teomyr! |
| 17:33.01 | Adys | just a question |
| 17:33.05 | Hobinheim|work | hail adys |
| 17:33.06 | Teomyr | it's been making strange noises during gaming for a while :P |
| 17:33.08 | Adys | Item names, they are stored serverside too? |
| 17:33.17 | Adys | the names themselves |
| 17:33.17 | Hobinheim|work | ooo great question... probably |
| 17:33.20 | Hobinheim|work | for localization purposes |
| 17:33.25 | Hobinheim|work | item|12345 |
| 17:33.31 | Tekkub | well they're stored in the WDB cache |
| 17:33.32 | Hobinheim|work | y? |
| 17:33.34 | Adys | When you link an item, it displays a name nethertheless |
| 17:33.42 | Teomyr | yes, they're stored 4 times in the wdb |
| 17:33.47 | Adys | oO |
| 17:33.57 | Tekkub | does everythnig in the WDB come down from the server? |
| 17:33.58 | Teomyr | don't ask why :P |
| 17:34.00 | Teomyr | yes |
| 17:34.11 | Tekkub | not much point in "caching" it if it's in the client-side data, no? |
| 17:34.38 | Adys | thats what i said a couple of hours ago >< |
| 17:35.04 | Adys | I need to check the base source of item links |
| 17:35.09 | Adys | no clue where to find it tho |
| 17:35.13 | Adys | tekkub any idea? |
| 17:35.15 | Adys | or Kirkburn |
| 17:35.32 | Adys | How item links are formed, that is |
| 17:35.45 | Teomyr | well, the wow client reads the item data from the wdb cache (which is emptied after every patch, and presumably after weekly maintenance too) |
| 17:35.49 | Tekkub | links? |
| 17:35.53 | Adys | [Epix] |
| 17:35.57 | Tekkub | it's just numbers :) |
| 17:36.00 | Teomyr | if the item is not in there, it queries the server and writes that data in there |
| 17:36.01 | Adys | y |
| 17:36.12 | Tekkub | what teo said |
| 17:36.25 | Tekkub | is GetItemInfo not enough for you? |
| 17:36.32 | Adys | uhm teo |
| 17:36.35 | Tekkub | or do you need to force caching? |
| 17:36.37 | Adys | what are you talking about oO |
| 17:36.43 | Adys | its emptied MUCH more often |
| 17:36.51 | Tekkub | Adys, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 17:37.02 | Adys | Tekkub, check out how item links work |
| 17:37.04 | Adys | and are formed |
| 17:37.20 | Tekkub | there's already a wiki page about them |
| 17:37.27 | Adys | will check |
| 17:37.34 | Adys | API GetItemInfo you say? |
| 17:37.36 | Tekkub | http://www.wowwiki.com/ItemLink |
| 17:37.55 | Tekkub | GetItemInfo lets you get info from a link of id, if it's cached |
| 17:38.29 | Tekkub | otherwise you have to create a minimal link and ask for a tooltip, and you might get disco'd if it's not "known" to the server |
| 17:38.36 | Teomyr | exactly |
| 17:39.19 | Tekkub | the minimum to send in chat is "|Hitem:<numbers and colons>|h" |
| 17:39.27 | Tekkub | but again, if not server will kick your ass |
| 17:39.41 | Hobinheim|work | in russia, you kick server! |
| 17:39.43 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/EnchantId lol |
| 17:39.44 | Teomyr | the server will also kick your ass if you send the wrong item name |
| 17:39.45 | Tekkub | if known, it'll make it into a full link |
| 17:39.46 | Adys | i find it funny |
| 17:39.53 | Adys | how 1 is rockbiter 3 |
| 17:40.00 | Adys | and rockbiter 2 is 6 |
| 17:40.04 | Tekkub | last time I tried Teo, it corrected names and colors instead of discoing |
| 17:40.20 | Tekkub | but that was some time back |
| 17:40.30 | Tekkub | might even have been before GetItemInfo |
| 17:40.43 | Adys | So EnchantIDs are stored in the dbcs right? |
| 17:40.57 | Tekkub | there's a list of em on the wiki too |
| 17:41.04 | Adys | yes i just linked it :P |
| 17:41.05 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/EnchantId |
| 17:41.06 | Tekkub | I think those are in the client data |
| 17:41.12 | Teomyr | they're stored in the dbc, yes |
| 17:41.19 | Tekkub | or not :) |
| 17:41.29 | Tekkub | I've not dabbled much in the WDB folder |
| 17:41.34 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/SuffixId |
| 17:41.37 | Tekkub | I like the What The Fuck folder more |
| 17:41.45 | Adys | Image:Icon-warning-22x22.png WARNING: This page is 193 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections. |
| 17:41.50 | Adys | lol |
| 17:44.09 | Hobinheim|work | tekkub, my favorite folder |
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| 17:44.17 | Adys | I wonder... |
| 17:44.26 | Adys | if with some funky templates.. |
| 17:44.39 | Adys | We could have an item tooltip with enchants on demand |
| 17:45.05 | Adys | by using {{Item|12345|0|0|...}} |
| 17:45.22 | Adys | Lol the wiki would die methink |
| 17:45.36 | Teomyr | that's exactly what i was planning to to |
| 17:45.38 | Teomyr | *do |
| 17:46.00 | Adys | We would need more namespaces |
| 17:46.02 | Tekkub | teo was gonna kill the wiki! |
| 17:46.17 | Adys | Item: EnchantID: SuffixID: yaddi yadda |
| 17:46.18 | *** kick/#wowwiki [Teomyr!n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/Tekkub] by Tekkub (Oh no you don't!) |
| 17:46.24 | Tekkub | *snicker* |
| 17:46.28 | Adys | :< |
| 17:46.48 | Tekkub | damn people not auto-rejoining |
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| 17:46.54 | Tekkub | there he is :) |
| 17:46.55 | Adys | indeed tek =P |
| 17:47.03 | Teomyr | 30secs auto rejoin :P |
| 17:47.13 | Tekkub | oh, slow one |
| 17:47.16 | Adys | lol |
| 17:47.30 | Tekkub | we all knew you were a lil slow |
| 17:47.40 | Kirkburn | Why do people always make me want to throttle them? |
| 17:48.00 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.22 | Tekkub | kirky, what's your say on elink order? |
| 17:48.39 | Tekkub | shall we resort to alpha-sort so people won't bump |
| 17:48.44 | Adys | tekk, i love you |
| 17:48.49 | Adys | ./run link = GetContainerItemLink(0, 1); |
| 17:48.49 | Adys | printable = gsub(link, "\124", "\124\124"); |
| 17:48.49 | Adys | ChatFrame1:AddMessage("Here's what it really looks like: \"" .. printable .. "\""); |
| 17:48.56 | Adys | i just needed that |
| 17:49.00 | Tekkub | ^^^ |
| 17:49.08 | Kirkburn | Not Alexa-sort? |
| 17:49.08 | Tekkub | itemlinks are fun to mess with |
| 17:49.22 | Adys | Alexa sucks |
| 17:49.23 | Adys | (imo) |
| 17:49.30 | Adys | but Id go with accuracy |
| 17:49.31 | Kirkburn | We could do Thott, Alla, Wowhead then alpha? |
| 17:49.32 | Tekkub | Alexa isn't "fair", it gives preference to the most popular |
| 17:49.47 | Tekkub | how do you quantify accuracy though? |
| 17:50.56 | Kirkburn | Okay, but since we love Wowhead, that'd put it right at the bottom ;) |
| 17:50.56 | Adys | Why alla before wowhead? |
| 17:50.56 | Adys | :P |
| 17:50.56 | Kirkburn | Reverse alpah! |
| 17:50.56 | Kirkburn | *alpha :/ |
| 17:50.56 | Tekkub | *sigh* |
| 17:50.56 | Adys | rofl |
| 17:50.57 | Kirkburn | Yes, alpha for additional links |
| 17:50.57 | Tekkub | okey, we need something different from both these |
| 17:50.57 | Teomyr | you're calling me slow?? never! |
| 17:50.57 | Kirkburn | (after the standard elinks templates) |
| 17:50.57 | Tekkub | *sigh* |
| 17:50.57 | Kirkburn | Stop sighing at me :( |
| 17:51.02 | Tekkub | that one was for teo |
| 17:52.28 | Tekkub | okey, I'm cleaning up Gsdkp's mess then |
| 17:52.37 | Tekkub | and applying new {{Elink}} |
| 17:53.10 | Adys | Oi Tekkub btw |
| 17:53.25 | Adys | I need a watcher addon, did i tell you about this? |
| 17:53.34 | Kirkburn | Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries! |
| 17:53.47 | Tekkub | watcher? |
| 17:53.51 | Hobinheim|work | "ask me about being a new father" aww such a heart warming thread |
| 17:54.09 | Kirkburn | Btw, can I ask for people's input on the Theron stuff? |
| 17:54.25 | Hobinheim|work | no you may not |
| 17:54.28 | Hobinheim|work | who's theron? |
| 17:54.38 | Hobinheim|work | and who uses alla? |
| 17:54.42 | Kirkburn | Theron the Just |
| 17:54.44 | Hobinheim|work | thott, alla, wowhead |
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| 17:55.01 | Adys | fuck you miranda >.> |
| 17:55.44 | Adys | Anyways, what I need is an addon that watches and refreshes the friendlist |
| 17:55.46 | Adys | and warns me on update. eg level update, dnd/afk tag, or zone change |
| 17:56.11 | Tekkub | not me |
| 17:56.12 | Adys | if i want to know when a friend is out of an instance, or back from afk |
| 17:56.15 | Adys | for example |
| 17:56.22 | Hobinheim|work | internet repeatedly cutting out =( |
| 17:56.26 | Adys | You think its possible tho? |
| 17:56.31 | Tekkub | I wrote FriendsWithBenefits tho, it syncs friend lists across your toons |
| 17:56.41 | Tekkub | it is, don't know why you'd want it |
| 17:56.45 | Hobinheim|work | sassing a mod, grounds for probation |
| 17:56.55 | Hobinheim|work | tekkub, great title... |
| 17:56.55 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim|work, @ me? |
| 17:56.56 | Adys | As i said, i refresh friendlist very often |
| 17:57.06 | Hobinheim|work | Kirkburn, re: theron |
| 17:57.10 | Adys | to know when a friend is back from afk for example |
| 17:57.28 | Adys | itd be really useful if i could auto a refresh every 5-10 sec |
| 17:57.30 | Kirkburn | I feel bad about reverting and then complaining about him reverting :P |
| 17:57.35 | Adys | Lol |
| 17:57.38 | Kirkburn | But then, /I'm/ the admin |
| 17:58.22 | Tekkub | you can't pull friend or guild lists more than every 15sec I think |
| 17:58.26 | Tekkub | the game just won't do it |
| 17:58.34 | Teomyr | ohnoes! |
| 17:58.40 | Hobinheim|work | he's putting flamey comments in the edit summary |
| 17:58.45 | Hobinheim|work | that's just... trollish |
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| 17:59.36 | Adys | hm 15 secs should be fine |
| 17:59.36 | Adys | as long as its auto, tbh |
| 17:59.39 | Hobinheim|work | have you ever been scared to load something in firefox while other windows are open? like the armory or wow.com |
| 17:59.45 | Adys | yes |
| 17:59.54 | Adys | the armory freezes FF for me |
| 17:59.59 | Teomyr | oO |
| 17:59.59 | Adys | for like 5 sec |
| 18:00.03 | Tekkub | lern2ff |
| 18:00.08 | Hobinheim|work | does that speak to the armory or firefox's quality? |
| 18:00.15 | Adys | the armory, most likely |
| 18:00.20 | Corac | Armourys imho |
| 18:00.26 | Adys | Wowhead is fine, and it uses twice the javascript Armory does |
| 18:00.41 | Hobinheim|work | OR BOTH!?! dun dun dun |
| 18:00.55 | Hobinheim|work | wowhead uses js? but it's so clean and ninja, i guess i don't notice |
| 18:00.56 | Teomyr | mhh... sure adys? the armory uses a shitload of js |
| 18:00.59 | Hobinheim|work | the armory is in xml |
| 18:01.01 | Hobinheim|work | and flash |
| 18:01.07 | Adys | flash? |
| 18:01.10 | Hobinheim|work | it either doesn't use JS at all, or a shitload |
| 18:01.12 | Teomyr | the armory uses XML, JavaScript, Ajax and Flash |
| 18:01.13 | Adys | You kidding me |
| 18:01.20 | Hobinheim|work | yeah that sexiness is flash |
| 18:01.20 | Adys | Where does it use flash? |
| 18:01.29 | Teomyr | for that sexy fonts |
| 18:01.30 | Hobinheim|work | there's no way that's html |
| 18:01.35 | Hobinheim|work | checking one sec |
| 18:01.36 | Adys | mmk |
| 18:01.48 | Zicon | The armory frontend is an overengineered piece of crap. =| |
| 18:02.15 | Adys | ok basically |
| 18:02.15 | Teomyr | Wowhead uses HTML to a great extent, with a bit javascript and a even smaller bit of ajax |
| 18:02.19 | Adys | if i link that |
| 18:02.21 | Adys | http://armory.wow-europe.com/?#character-sheet.xml?r=Stormrage&n=Adys |
| 18:02.26 | Adys | is anyone able to see my char? |
| 18:02.44 | Adys | because if i get that link and the precedent page was not one of the armory |
| 18:02.47 | Adys | i endup on the main armory page |
| 18:02.51 | Corac | Same |
| 18:03.04 | foxlit | ajax doesn't play well with URLs |
| 18:03.26 | Teomyr | adys, use http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormrage&n=Adys |
| 18:04.06 | Adys | hah |
| 18:04.09 | Adys | i didnt notice the diff |
| 18:04.25 | foxlit | Plus anything after # isn't sent to server. |
| 18:04.30 | Tekkub | if we're using all icons in external links, do we really need the bulletlist? |
| 18:04.35 | Teomyr | if you use that url, it works. if you have a look at the source code, you can see that it is a xml document containing only the data |
| 18:04.43 | Adys | I dont think so tekk |
| 18:04.49 | Adys | yes teo |
| 18:04.50 | Adys | i just noticed |
| 18:04.57 | Teomyr | that xml document is then transformed to html (with all that js and flash stuff) using a xslt stylesheet |
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| 18:07.00 | Teomyr | the part that uses flash is, for example, the character name (Adys, <Absolution>, Level 70 Human Mage) at the top |
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| 18:08.01 | Adys | http://armory.wow-europe.com/#search.xml?searchQuery=Bubble&searchType=characters |
| 18:08.06 | Adys | Since your search yielded too many results, only the first 1000 matches of your search are displayed. To narrow down your search, try searching for the exact text string by using single quotation marks (example: 'shadow'). |
| 18:08.11 | Adys | scary. |
| 18:08.48 | Tekkub | I MAKE WIKI GO BREAKY BREAKY NOW! |
| 18:08.52 | Tekkub | MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA! |
| 18:08.58 | Teomyr | OHNOEZ WTF |
| 18:09.05 | Tekkub | or shall we hold off on {{Elinks-NPC}} edit? |
| 18:09.27 | Adys | thottbot should be removed from elinks npc |
| 18:09.35 | Adys | until they are regular |
| 18:09.41 | Tekkub | I honestly don't know when is a good time to break the wiki, since lots of people are on late at night |
| 18:09.49 | Tekkub | thott isn't in it |
| 18:09.56 | Adys | 20.00 might not be the best idea |
| 18:10.06 | Adys | try around 23.00 |
| 18:10.09 | Tekkub | 1210? |
| 18:10.18 | Adys | nah, thats almost 7pm in us, i think |
| 18:10.19 | Tekkub | like I said, don't know a good time |
| 18:10.27 | Tekkub | it's noon tardmo |
| 18:10.39 | Adys | well, european time.. 4-5am is fine |
| 18:11.00 | Tekkub | okey, give me a GMT time :) |
| 18:11.06 | Adys | 4-5am :P |
| 18:11.18 | Tekkub | right now it's what? 1900Z? |
| 18:11.25 | Hobinheim|work | i apologize. i guess it wasn't written in all flash. and this comment was supposed to be written minutes ago, but my net keeps cutting out |
| 18:11.26 | Adys | gmt yes |
| 18:11.33 | Adys | im at gmt+1 here |
| 18:11.54 | Hobinheim|work | just ask the chromatic dragonflight to handle it |
| 18:11.59 | Hobinheim|work | he transcends time, etc |
| 18:11.59 | Tekkub | Z-7 ±1 (fuck youl DLST) |
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| 18:27.07 | Hobinheim|work | do any of you guys like american baseball |
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| 18:33.27 | Tekkub | no |
| 18:36.05 | Tuqui-tuqui | why not? :< |
| 18:39.02 | Adys | because |
| 18:39.16 | Adys | I dont like spots in general |
| 18:44.16 | Kirkburn | Should elinks be starred lists? |
| 18:50.46 | Hobinheim|work | Kirkburn, you mean as opposed to those icons? yes |
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| 18:52.11 | Kirkburn | Not as opposed, in addition to |
| 18:52.23 | Kirkburn | It doesn't make sense to have a half-list list |
| 18:52.38 | Hobinheim|work | i don't follow |
| 18:53.12 | Kirkburn | External links should all have * whether or not they've got icons, I think |
| 18:55.33 | Hobinheim|work | oh... boo =( |
| 18:55.40 | Hobinheim|work | it sort of acts like a bullet, does it not |
| 18:55.53 | Hobinheim|work | i never liked the icons to begin with, tbh |
| 18:56.00 | Hobinheim|work | THE BURNING HRUSADE |
| 18:58.24 | Kirkburn | Adys, pokage |
| 18:58.28 | Adys | ya? |
| 18:58.37 | Kirkburn | How on earth do you not know Trackmania? |
| 18:58.46 | Kirkburn | Number of US servers: 14 |
| 18:58.49 | Adys | what? |
| 18:58.49 | Kirkburn | UK: 8 |
| 18:58.53 | Kirkburn | France: 117 |
| 18:59.14 | Adys | whats that ? |
| 18:59.18 | Adys | I guess its a game or something |
| 18:59.27 | Kirkburn | Multiplayer servers for the game, yes |
| 18:59.44 | Kirkburn | It's like a national sport! |
| 18:59.50 | Adys | lol |
| 19:00.17 | Kirkburn | What area of France are you in? |
| 19:00.22 | Adys | Limoges |
| 19:00.27 | Adys | southwest of paris, ~30km |
| 19:00.29 | Adys | 300* |
| 19:00.48 | Kirkburn | Hmm, not seeing any servers in Limoges :( |
| 19:01.22 | Adys | Limoges is what we call in french the World's ass |
| 19:01.43 | Hobinheim|work | wtf is limoges |
| 19:01.45 | Hobinheim|work | are you making stuff up |
| 19:01.49 | Kirkburn | Oh wait, there's one in Limousin |
| 19:01.50 | Adys | Its a lost town for its 500 000 inhabitants |
| 19:02.10 | Adys | ya Limousin is the region |
| 19:02.15 | Kirkburn | Haute-Vienne, specifically |
| 19:02.20 | Adys | thats the department |
| 19:02.26 | Adys | Limoges is its capital |
| 19:02.37 | Kirkburn | I see ... I think |
| 19:02.50 | Kirkburn | Correze and Creuse are two other depts. in the region? |
| 19:03.05 | Adys | ya |
| 19:03.20 | Adys | Limoges is the capital of both the Limousin and Haute-Vienne |
| 19:03.40 | Kirkburn | Crazy French bureaucracy :P |
| 19:03.48 | Adys | yes we are in a retarded country |
| 19:03.58 | Adys | btw, Limoges is also known for its Porcelain |
| 19:05.51 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.com/wiki/Limoges |
| 19:06.55 | Hobinheim|work | what do you call american french fries? |
| 19:07.09 | Hobinheim|work | what does what get on the side of a mcdonald's cheese burger? |
| 19:10.17 | Kirkburn | Fat, grease and diabetes. |
| 19:10.52 | Gryphen | yay Trackmania |
| 19:13.14 | Hobinheim|work | Kirkburn, that's not nice |
| 19:13.17 | Hobinheim|work | (event if its true) |
| 19:17.03 | Kirkburn | It's not healthy food, it just isn't :P |
| 19:17.24 | Kirkburn | (doesn't mean I don't like it) |
| 19:19.19 | Adys | real french fries are really good when prepared correctly |
| 19:19.28 | Adys | but the french one |
| 19:19.33 | Adys | not the american "french" ones |
| 19:19.55 | Hobinheim|work | but what are they called in france |
| 19:19.59 | Adys | Fries |
| 19:20.07 | Hobinheim|work | also, how much different can french style fries be? |
| 19:20.09 | Adys | "Frites" to be precise |
| 19:20.15 | Adys | boiled twice |
| 19:20.19 | Hobinheim|work | frih tehs |
| 19:20.26 | Adys | lol |
| 19:27.34 | Hobinheim|work | uhh the only thing that differentiates french fries is the cut |
| 19:27.37 | Hobinheim|work | they're alll FRRIEDDD |
| 19:27.43 | Hobinheim|work | btw have any of you been to grenada? |
| 19:27.48 | Hobinheim|work | i'm going at the end of may to visit a friend |
| 19:30.57 | Adys | not here nope |
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| 19:55.39 | Kirkburn | So, someone wants a policy on advertising? |
| 19:55.53 | Kirkburn | Okay, I have an idea ... what are we missing policies/guidelines on atm? |
| 19:56.19 | Adys | ffs. |
| 19:56.22 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 19:56.35 | Tekkub | meh? |
| 19:56.48 | Kirkburn | (elinks bumping) |
| 19:56.55 | Adys | policy guidelines we need .. |
| 19:56.58 | Hobinheim|work | !!!!! |
| 19:57.00 | Adys | external links policy |
| 19:57.39 | Hobinheim|work | so many policies.. |
| 19:57.43 | Hobinheim|work | who's asking? |
| 19:57.48 | Hobinheim|work | "no advertising" done! |
| 19:57.59 | Kirkburn | I thought we had that, but I can't find it |
| 19:58.14 | Tekkub | there's no "official" policy on elinks |
| 19:58.35 | Tekkub | we don't need much, just a few lil things.... |
| 19:58.35 | Adys | External links of ALL sort |
| 19:58.37 | Adys | that means |
| 19:58.38 | Tekkub | * order |
| 19:58.41 | Tekkub | * format |
| 19:58.46 | Adys | also external links within a document |
| 19:58.59 | Tekkub | * keeping all elinks in the proper section and must be directly related to the page |
| 19:58.59 | Adys | and outside of the == External links == section |
| 19:59.12 | Hobinheim|work | right |
| 19:59.12 | Adys | sometimes we need elinks outside of the section |
| 19:59.20 | Tekkub | I.E. no "boss video" on an instaces page, they should be on the boss's page |
| 19:59.27 | Adys | Yes |
| 19:59.30 | Tekkub | rarely Adys :) |
| 19:59.34 | Adys | sometimes ^^ |
| 19:59.51 | Adys | Also |
| 19:59.55 | Tekkub | yes, sometimes, but the policy there should simply be "avoid if at all possible" |
| 19:59.57 | Adys | Need to cover something |
| 20:00.19 | Adys | External links are allowed ONLY if the website shows content the wiki doesnt (and probably shouldnt) have |
| 20:00.23 | Adys | Example: droprates |
| 20:00.30 | Tekkub | hrm... |
| 20:01.01 | Adys | its easy to copypaste the wiki's content, add an advertisment to whatever website, put the whole in a html page and say "im adding external links zomg" |
| 20:01.21 | Tekkub | well blatent copy/paste would be bad, yes |
| 20:01.33 | Adys | things like that anyways |
| 20:01.34 | Tekkub | okey, put this in... |
| 20:01.45 | Adys | Last thing first |
| 20:01.52 | Adys | We allow 22x22 icons to websites |
| 20:02.00 | Adys | If.. |
| 20:02.22 | Adys | 1/ you can recognize the website in the icon |
| 20:02.25 | Tekkub | "Admins reserve the right to remove elinks they deem inappropriate or not useful, and may ban users for "spam" elinks |
| 20:02.41 | Adys | 2/ the website is on SEVERAL pages (that means a good 50-75 at least) |
| 20:02.59 | Adys | And the website is of course allowed on all these pages, and these pages are about different things |
| 20:03.03 | Adys | (such as different mobs, bosses) |
| 20:03.05 | Tekkub | doesn't need to be several if they want to add an image they can |
| 20:03.13 | Tekkub | just must be 22x22 and PNG |
| 20:03.23 | Hobinheim|work | other than my net cutting out, i agree with what's said so far |
| 20:03.25 | Tekkub | the elink template handles them simply enough :) |
| 20:03.31 | Adys | hrmm |
| 20:03.35 | Adys | k fair enough on that one |
| 20:03.42 | Adys | Ah a third thing |
| 20:03.49 | Adys | its more of a guideline but it should be in the policy |
| 20:04.08 | Adys | the icon should be Image:Icon-websitenameinoneword-22x22.png |
| 20:04.28 | Tekkub | that I'll agree to, can be pushed into the template simply enough |
| 20:04.37 | Adys | Bosskillers, Thottbot, Allakhazam, Wowhead, Ampwow, no caps inside of the word |
| 20:04.50 | Tekkub | they're all lower in theirs |
| 20:04.50 | Adys | thats indeed for template stuff |
| 20:04.53 | Adys | y |
| 20:04.55 | Tekkub | at least the ones that use that |
| 20:05.00 | Adys | all lowercase aye |
| 20:05.15 | Gryphen | Bosskillers o.O |
| 20:05.18 | Tekkub | actually.... |
| 20:05.22 | Adys | ya |
| 20:05.31 | Tekkub | I could make the template just use the site name |
| 20:05.41 | Tekkub | no need for an extra param |
| 20:05.56 | Adys | Nah, lets keep at what we have and not change AGAIN all the elinks-item crap |
| 20:06.10 | Tekkub | I'm not changing the elinks* templates |
| 20:06.13 | Tekkub | just elink |
| 20:06.23 | Adys | What do you mean then? |
| 20:06.33 | Tekkub | go look at {{elink}} |
| 20:06.38 | Adys | ok brb |
| 20:06.43 | Tekkub | I'm gonna go fuck with this clogged drain while you do |
| 20:06.57 | Adys | Tekkub.. /cry |
| 20:07.03 | Adys | categorize your templates :( |
| 20:07.25 | Adys | even if its just Category:Templates :P |
| 20:07.29 | Adys | They can be recat'd later on |
| 20:07.47 | Adys | uhm |
| 20:07.52 | Adys | {{{icon|Icon-external-22x22}}} |
| 20:07.55 | Adys | thats what you meant? |
| 20:09.41 | Tekkub | fuckin eh |
| 20:09.42 | Adys | [[Image:{{If|{{{icon|}}}|then=Icon-{{icon}}|else=Icon-external}}-22x22.png]] |
| 20:09.45 | Tekkub | still clogged |
| 20:09.47 | Adys | I think thats correct |
| 20:09.53 | Tekkub | he's a fucking idiot |
| 20:10.03 | Adys | who? |
| 20:10.07 | Tekkub | husband |
| 20:10.10 | Adys | lol |
| 20:10.24 | Tekkub | dumped half a pan of stirfry down the disposal |
| 20:10.32 | Kirkburn | Is someone writing a page for it? |
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| 20:10.40 | Adys | Template:Elink kirk |
| 20:10.41 | Tekkub | clogged the line BELOW where the clothes washer drain joins |
| 20:10.48 | Kirkburn | Doesn't need to be long, but it can be made into a policy pretty quickly |
| 20:10.51 | Tekkub | so the washer is backing up too |
| 20:10.57 | Adys | ah the policy |
| 20:10.58 | Kirkburn | A policy page, Adys :) |
| 20:11.00 | Adys | WW:EL |
| 20:11.02 | Adys | <3 |
| 20:11.05 | Adys | me like shortcuts |
| 20:11.10 | Tekkub | anywho... |
| 20:11.15 | Kirkburn | Writing/ExternalLinks ? |
| 20:11.50 | Adys | hm |
| 20:11.50 | Kirkburn | It seems like a writing policy |
| 20:11.50 | Tekkub | the issue with just using site= turned lower is a nasty red link if the image for the site doesn't exist |
| 20:11.56 | Adys | well yeah |
| 20:12.02 | Adys | we are not using {{exists}} tekkub :P |
| 20:12.03 | Adys | dont think about it ^^ |
| 20:12.03 | Tekkub | duh |
| 20:12.06 | Kirkburn | I'll start something off, gimme a few mins |
| 20:12.10 | Tekkub | Kirk.... seriously... we ever going to get any root love? |
| 20:12.12 | Adys | awesome kirk :) |
| 20:12.23 | Kirkburn | Tekkub, there's hope |
| 20:12.28 | Kirkburn | Btw, I'm not going to be around as much this next week |
| 20:12.35 | Tekkub | hope for this year?\ |
| 20:16.32 | Kirkburn | If I start off a page now, can I ask that the rest of you try and fill it out? |
| 20:17.01 | Tekkub | you can ask all you want |
| 20:17.43 | Kirkburn | Okay, see WW:EL and fill it out! |
| 20:18.11 | Kirkburn | It needs a How To and a What's Allowed |
| 20:18.20 | Tekkub | oh, Kirko, the favicon has nasty white jaggies around it if it's over a dark background |
| 20:18.39 | Kirkburn | Oh and "Where to Put It", "What Title", that kind of stuff |
| 20:18.59 | Kirkburn | I know, that's what comes of using that type of logo |
| 20:19.06 | Tekkub | baka! |
| 20:19.34 | Kirkburn | Adys, Tek, are you okay with thrashing out something? |
| 20:19.43 | Adys | ya? |
| 20:20.57 | Tekkub | I'll thrash you all night |
| 20:23.42 | Adys | what do you want me to do? |
| 20:24.33 | Adys | <- didnt follow |
| 20:24.34 | Gryphen | /quit |
| 20:24.47 | Kirkburn | The policy needs: what's allowed, and how to add your own |
| 20:24.47 | Hobinheim|work | one day we will run out of cool WW:COOL names |
| 20:24.48 | Kirkburn | Gryphen, ? |
| 20:25.01 | Gryphen | that's what you wanted Adys to do |
| 20:25.05 | Gryphen | :) |
| 20:25.06 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 20:25.57 | Adys | right ill do that during the night |
| 20:26.02 | Adys | kinda busy atm |
| 20:27.50 | Kirkburn | np |
| 20:40.15 | Tekkub | okey, I got some crap in the elinks policy |
| 20:40.21 | Tekkub | feel free to add/tweak :) |
| 20:41.56 | Gryphen | editing elinks-npc, removing unneeded param tb= |
| 20:42.08 | Gryphen | fyi for slow down |
| 20:42.17 | Gryphen | slowwiki |
| 20:42.17 | Tekkub | so YOU'RE to blame |
| 20:42.21 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 20:42.23 | Gryphen | always! |
| 20:42.43 | Tekkub | you shoulda edited it to use {{Elink}} at the same time |
| 20:42.52 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 20:43.06 | Gryphen | :/ |
| 20:43.15 | Gryphen | ill let someone else slowwiki that one :) |
| 20:43.45 | Gryphen | i like the policy so far |
| 20:43.52 | Gryphen | proposal |
| 20:46.22 | Tekkub | still clogged, fuck it |
| 20:49.47 | Adys | lol |
| 20:50.03 | Kirkburn | Please, for christs' sake, don't edit popular templates at prime time |
| 20:51.13 | Gryphen | i wouldnt consider it prime time for anyone in US, half the country is in commute, the other still at work. |
| 20:51.28 | Kirkburn | Yes, there is the entirety of Europe though :) |
| 20:51.38 | Gryphen | its prime time somwhere then |
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| 20:56.32 | clad|sick | hi |
| 20:56.33 | clad|sick | =) |
| 20:56.40 | Gryphen | heya |
| 20:57.02 | Kirkburn | Whatcha got? Black death? |
| 20:57.15 | clad|sick | nah, just a bug.. has pretty bad fever, but it broke this morning. |
| 20:57.30 | Tekkub | clad didn't debug enough |
| 20:57.48 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 20:58.00 | clad|sickinthehe | bah! |
| 20:58.30 | Tekkub | hrm... I forgot my NS pass... |
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| 20:58.56 | Tekkub | easier than digging it out of my settings :) |
| 21:02.50 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 21:14.59 | Tekkub | explain to me how a job is "Entry level" and the first req is "Degree with 1-2 years of experience" |
| 21:24.48 | Zicon | That's not a job, that's a warning sign. |
| 21:28.12 | Tekkub | no see, this is what every "entry level" job posting I read says |
| 21:28.36 | Tekkub | I want to stab people... "entry level" means "I've never fucking done this before!" |
| 21:28.43 | Tuqui-tuqui | hmm... internships count as experience ^_^ |
| 21:28.45 | Tekkub | not considering education of course :) |
| 21:28.53 | Tuqui-tuqui | you can intern while in school :) |
| 21:28.58 | Tekkub | internships are slave labour :) |
| 21:29.05 | Tekkub | and I'm not in school |
| 21:29.05 | Tuqui-tuqui | so true... :< |
| 21:31.40 | ClydeJr | Apply for it anyway. I've noticed they recruiters often post higher requirements than they really need. |
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| 21:32.48 | Tekkub | it's not even a job I want :) |
| 21:33.28 | Kirkburn | Why the hell is editing so slow? |
| 21:33.37 | Tekkub | not me! |
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| 21:50.55 | Hobinheim|work | tekkub, looking for a job? |
| 21:51.06 | Tekkub | slightly |
| 21:51.06 | Hobinheim|work | Kirkburn, going on holiday? |
| 21:51.10 | Tekkub | don't want one :) |
| 21:51.15 | Kirkburn | Home for a while |
| 21:51.19 | Hobinheim|work | you wanna be a housewife, fo EVAH! |
| 21:51.19 | Tekkub | but should find one |
| 21:51.26 | Hobinheim|work | Kirkburn, you can wowwiki from home =) |
| 21:51.26 | Tekkub | don't mind it |
| 21:51.31 | Tekkub | I don't cook anyway :) |
| 21:53.45 | Tekkub | "Inflatable amusement worker -part time" I know I'm thinking something completely different than they are |
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| 22:07.41 | Hobinheim|work | lai la lai... |
| 22:07.44 | Hobinheim|work | *crash* |
| 22:07.51 | Hobinheim|work | lai la la lai la lai la lai... |
| 22:07.55 | Hobinheim|work | lai la lai |
| 22:07.58 | Hobinheim|work | *crash* |
| 22:15.21 | fatman | mmm chEEZE |
| 22:15.31 | fatman | *eats cheese* |
| 22:21.03 | Tekkub | idea for the elinks-* templates |
| 22:21.20 | Tekkub | lets use them as a boilerplate instead of a transclude |
| 22:21.49 | Tekkub | I.E. use them to generate an elinks list for the item page once :) |
| 22:22.07 | Tekkub | what's the call? {{subst:Elinks-item|1234}} ? |
| 22:22.24 | Adys | uhm |
| 22:22.27 | Adys | why do that? |
| 22:22.46 | Tekkub | cause then we don't break the wiki as much? :) |
| 22:22.52 | Adys | If we want to add a site in the future? |
| 22:22.58 | Adys | Say we want to remove allakhazam |
| 22:23.02 | Adys | for some reason <snickers> |
| 22:23.03 | Tekkub | hrm... |
| 22:23.07 | Tekkub | okey touche |
| 22:23.11 | Adys | lol |
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| 22:23.20 | Tekkub | why the hell are template edits so detrimental to the wiki? |
| 22:23.28 | Adys | not me to ask :( |
| 22:23.31 | Tekkub | is the newer version smarter about not dying? |
| 22:23.48 | Tekkub | I mean, that's damn nasty really, it discourages the wide use of templates in the end |
| 22:25.19 | Adys | hopefully on the next update yeah |
| 22:25.49 | Kirkburn | Y'know, the wiki needs a *cough* full time paid editor *cough* |
| 22:26.24 | Tekkub | Y'know *cough* I'm looking for work *cough* |
| 22:26.41 | Tekkub | and I'm here all the time anyway |
| 22:26.42 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 22:26.52 | Tekkub | maybe money would motivate me to lern2bot a bit :) |
| 22:27.43 | Adys | :P |
| 22:27.49 | Kirkburn | Well, I mentioned it on the village pump - we need to look at the article we already have more than making new ones, especially fixing the formatting and navigation |
| 22:27.56 | Kirkburn | *articles |
| 22:28.01 | Adys | agree with that |
| 22:28.34 | Tekkub | totally agree |
| 22:28.56 | Tekkub | formatting, as I've said a million times, just can't be done cleanly without real CSS |
| 22:29.04 | Tekkub | I don't like doing shit badly |
| 22:29.19 | Tekkub | navigation though... more navboxes for everyone! |
| 22:29.45 | Adys | Can we.. |
| 22:29.50 | Kirkburn | Check out the size of the Class one :) |
| 22:29.51 | Adys | just.. like.. |
| 22:29.55 | Tekkub | maybe we should push some of the vertical navboxes more towards full-span horizontal ones to put at the top? |
| 22:29.55 | Adys | take care of this page? http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Spirit |
| 22:30.11 | Tekkub | we can't do dropdown menus without javascript majicks can we? |
| 22:30.19 | Adys | nope :[ |
| 22:30.36 | Tekkub | which requires the same majick fix CSS does |
| 22:30.50 | Tekkub | there's JS pages we can edit the same way we can the CSS pages |
| 22:35.00 | Adys | dead tired, ill be back during the night |
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| 23:03.24 | Gryphen | <Tekkub> why are edits so detrimental? - Because the articles are cached in their viewed form, they don't pull content from elinks-item live when you view the items article. So when you edit an include, it has to upadate all the articles cache that use that template. |
| 23:03.47 | Gryphen | rough explanation |
| 23:03.48 | Gryphen | heh |
| 23:32.02 | Tekkub | yes but that's just nasty programming |
| 23:32.24 | Tekkub | it *should* flag the pages as dirty and reconstruct them the firts time they're requested |
| 23:32.36 | Tekkub | not all when the transclude is edited |
| 23:32.45 | Tekkub | *first |
| 23:32.59 | Gryphen | ya |
| 23:33.25 | Tekkub | which I'm *auuming* they fixed in a later version... we are running an old ass version of MW |
| 23:33.32 | Gryphen | i havent looked into it that much, but i have a pretty good impression that is the case |
| 23:34.02 | Tekkub | another BIG reason we need a root that's like, semiactive and interested in the wiki |
| 23:34.05 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.21 | cheesewedge | root? |
| 23:36.04 | Tekkub | yes |
| 23:36.43 | Gryphen | propose: "Elinks sections are to be Alpha-sorted by second-level domain. This policy does not apply to elinks generated by templates like {{tlink|elinks-item}}, only manually added elinks." |
| 23:36.46 | cheesewedge | could you explain |
| 23:36.52 | cheesewedge | a root |
| 23:37.05 | Gryphen | physical file access |
| 23:37.30 | Gryphen | then you dont need that abuse line as domain is more predictable and harder to abuse |
| 23:38.17 | Tekkub | okey, change it up :) |
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| 23:40.12 | Bleeter | baaaAA!! |
| 23:42.54 | Gryphen | is .co in .co.uk and such second level domain? |
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| 23:43.29 | Bleeter | indeedy do |
| 23:44.25 | Gryphen | hmm, then maybe second level might need some expanding on that policy |
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| 23:50.49 | Skyfire | hmm |
| 23:51.00 | Skyfire | anyyyyyyyyone here who has a mage at 70 and is raiding? |
| 23:51.05 | Skyfire | or raids* |
