| 00:01.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Bagginsww, as awesome as they are, don't go too over the top with the scans - we don't want legal trouble :) |
| 00:03.30 | Bagginsww | np |
| 00:03.43 | Bagginsww | someone complain? |
| 00:03.43 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm goint to remove the top Aldor v Scryer table |
| 00:04.09 | Kirkburn|afk | I was just writing "Any complaints?" |
| 00:04.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Different topic, but still weird |
| 00:04.28 | Bagginsww | I've probably only scanned less than 1% of pictures :p |
| 00:04.33 | Kirkburn|afk | No, no complaints, I just don't want any to happen |
| 00:04.40 | Kirkburn|afk | :) |
| 00:04.40 | Bagginsww | I don't have the time to scan every picture |
| 00:04.43 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 00:05.10 | Bagginsww | also I don't like putting the stress on my books binding ;) |
| 00:05.51 | Bagginsww | since some of them out out of print |
| 00:07.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Aye, my Amazon order has been delayed for that reason I think |
| 00:07.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, can you take a look over the {{BurningLegion}} stuff sometime? Probably could be improved |
| 00:08.38 | Bagginsww | hmm ok |
| 00:10.36 | Bagginsww | hmm well I'd fit in the traditional names for some of those, like succubus |
| 00:10.49 | Bagginsww | that is general warlock version name ;) |
| 00:11.49 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Gronn the picture could be improved... Ingame shot has to be better than the concept art :p |
| 00:12.15 | Bagginsww | only problem I have with that particular concept art its half unfinished |
| 00:12.40 | Bagginsww | and models lookslightly different |
| 00:13.17 | Bagginsww | well ttyl |
| 00:13.18 | Kirkburn|afk | aye |
| 00:14.05 | Kirkburn|afk | toodles |
| 00:17.35 | *** join/#wowwiki Adys (n=Miranda@APoitiers-256-1-28-225.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 00:17.35 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Adys] by ChanServ |
| 00:18.03 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+v infobot] by Adys |
| 00:19.57 | Peter | infobot: o_O |
| 00:19.59 | infobot | well, o_o is some fucking creepy-arse eyes. o_O O_o |
| 00:20.03 | Peter | whats it do! whats it do! |
| 00:20.16 | Bleeter | gah, did Bagginsww just go afk? |
| 00:24.31 | kaso | Gonna run another bunch of bot edits, etc etc. |
| 00:31.13 | Adys | nice kaso |
| 00:31.18 | kaso | I wonder |
| 00:31.29 | kaso | Could we edit {{cost}} to ignore zero values |
| 00:31.51 | kaso | {{gsc}} did and in converting from that this happened; http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Dog_Whistle&diff=554970&oldid=535132 |
| 00:32.07 | kaso | not a huge issue, but it seems like cost should be that way anyway |
| 00:33.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Fun how most people won't even realise the pages have been made |
| 00:33.08 | Adys | Yeah |
| 00:33.11 | Adys | and lol kirk, indeed |
| 00:33.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Go bot go! |
| 00:33.42 | Adys | Kaso |
| 00:33.47 | Adys | tbh i rather not do that |
| 00:34.06 | kaso | Fair enough, may i enquire why? |
| 00:34.19 | Adys | because we are not supposed to have null values anyways |
| 00:34.35 | Adys | its like the category redirects |
| 00:34.49 | Adys | if we start autocorrecting people, people will never see that they are doing it wrong |
| 00:34.56 | kaso | i guess that makes sense |
| 00:35.48 | kaso | my log file is already 352KB long :> i spam too much info to it i think |
| 00:36.20 | Adys | i really wish there was a way to just purge useless edits from the database |
| 00:36.39 | Adys | Im like that, i dont like stuff taking up space uselessely |
| 00:36.50 | Adys | s/uselessely/uselessly |
| 00:36.59 | Adys | whatever |
| 00:37.06 | kaso | you dont like those uselss trailing slashes taking up space :> |
| 00:37.15 | Kirkburn|afk | If anyone finds valid references to WoWWiki around the web or in magazines, do tell. I want to get more stuff on the WoWWiki:About page |
| 00:37.23 | Adys | oh kirk |
| 00:37.56 | Adys | lemme find you it |
| 00:38.08 | Adys | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/03/20/hunter-wiki-is-collecting-hunter-know-how/ |
| 00:38.20 | Adys | In fact, the wiki format lends itself very well to WoW info, just because this is a social game consisting of a lot of shared knowledge-- WoWWiki has been proving that theory for a while (and they've got lots of hunter info there as well, along with plenty of other necessary information). |
| 00:38.37 | Adys | also expanded slightly the wowinsider page http://www.wowwiki.com/WOW_Insider |
| 00:38.59 | Kirkburn|afk | I saw :P |
| 00:42.04 | Adys | for the ones who didnt see |
| 00:42.05 | Adys | http://play.tm/story/9710 |
| 00:42.12 | Adys | its not a great interview but its decent |
| 00:46.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Kaso, currently I don't see any reason for your bot to ever stop :) |
| 00:46.25 | kaso | Hehe |
| 00:46.52 | kaso | I'm still a little paranoid about the code, that some crazy error will make it rip apart the wiki |
| 00:47.01 | kaso | but its seems pretty stable at the moment |
| 00:47.12 | Karrius | It becomes sentient and decides to doom manking for wasting their (and its) time on such frivilous matters. |
| 00:47.20 | Karrius | "Why, oh why couldn't I be a cancer research bot?" it lamets. |
| 00:47.59 | kaso | The slight annoying thing is i cant run it whilst playing wow, theres no ability to pause execution in lua so to put in a delay between edits i have to do while true do end type loops >.< |
| 00:49.15 | kaso | hehe |
| 00:49.31 | kaso | if i knew the first thing about cancer research i would write a bot to help with that! |
| 00:49.41 | Adys | you know |
| 00:49.53 | Adys | its quite weird checking the edits on my user page |
| 00:50.01 | Adys | one by one, from the first ot the last |
| 00:50.11 | Kirkburn|afk | I love doing that |
| 00:50.20 | Kirkburn|afk | It's really good feeling seeing how far article have come |
| 00:50.30 | Adys | WoWWiki has a problem |
| 00:50.34 | Adys | stop the bot a sec : |
| 00:50.35 | Kirkburn|afk | mmm |
| 00:50.36 | Adys | :P |
| 00:50.48 | kaso | i didnt do it! |
| 00:50.49 | Adys | any way to show bots by default in RC? |
| 00:50.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Might not have been you! |
| 00:50.56 | Adys | aye but stop it anyways>< |
| 00:50.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Possible Adys, check prefs |
| 00:51.08 | Adys | hm cool |
| 00:51.19 | Adys | its really funny |
| 00:51.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Still no response |
| 00:51.39 | Kirkburn|afk | This can't have been kasobot |
| 00:51.41 | Adys | the fourth revision of my user page was plainly "Adys <Genesis> Level 60 Human Mage Stormrage (Europe)" |
| 00:51.50 | Adys | its fandy |
| 00:51.57 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Argh |
| 00:52.05 | kaso | owch |
| 00:52.24 | Kirkburn|afk | T'weren't you |
| 00:52.40 | kaso | Found in...? what does that mean |
| 00:52.56 | Adys | source param i guess |
| 00:53.03 | Adys | i think its silly tbh |
| 00:53.06 | Adys | we look like thottbot |
| 00:53.13 | Adys | these things can go on the page itself, imo |
| 00:53.23 | Adys | checking the diff anyways.. when it loads |
| 00:53.42 | Kirkburn|afk | And we're back |
| 00:53.44 | Adys | btw not poss to show bots by default in prefs kirk |
| 00:53.50 | Kirkburn|afk | oh ffs |
| 00:53.57 | Kirkburn|afk | He broke it |
| 00:54.17 | Adys | Argh |
| 00:54.24 | Adys | Im rolling it back for now |
| 00:54.42 | kaso | i really need to save the Random/Grey list to a file on my PC to stop it being such a bitch to fix when i have to stop the bot |
| 00:54.50 | Kirkburn|afk | He should come to IRC |
| 00:54.55 | Adys | ya |
| 00:55.19 | Adys | Kirk can you leave him a message - I rolled back the change on {{tooltip}} |
| 00:55.27 | Adys | (I think he doesnt really like me :P) |
| 00:56.36 | Kirkburn|afk | We should lock the pages so that not even admins can edit them |
| 00:56.50 | Adys | lol |
| 00:57.39 | Adys | you know for a while i was pissed at the categories on the gsc, gs, gc, s, c, g and sc templates but didnt bother asking for a change because it was so ridiculous |
| 00:57.50 | Adys | and it was the first thing ive done when i had adminship i think >< |
| 00:58.30 | Adys | wiki still down? |
| 00:59.14 | Adys | meanwhile btw - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/03/21/blizzard-posts-burning-crusade-attunement-tree/ |
| 00:59.29 | Adys | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/bcattunement/ |
| 00:59.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Nice innit |
| 00:59.42 | Adys | this is cool :D |
| 00:59.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, still down |
| 01:00.00 | Adys | really cool tbh |
| 01:01.19 | Adys | back up |
| 01:02.17 | kaso | I'd like to propose that http://www.wowwiki.com/Rabbit%27s_Foot be locked for editing, there is simply no way that page could be improved |
| 01:02.24 | Adys | rofl |
| 01:02.36 | Bleeter | yes there is! |
| 01:02.45 | Bleeter | *BOOBIES* |
| 01:02.48 | kaso | haha |
| 01:02.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Aaaaargh! |
| 01:03.09 | Kirkburn|afk | The rollback was incorrect! |
| 01:03.23 | Kirkburn|afk | You rolled back his 10 March edit too |
| 01:03.23 | Adys | no please.. |
| 01:03.30 | Adys | please.. |
| 01:03.40 | Gryphen | heh |
| 01:03.44 | Adys | dont do that to me :p |
| 01:03.45 | Bleeter | I should make a /Boobies page... 'There are no boobies in WoW', and put a pic up, and links to some bird watching organisation |
| 01:04.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Saving now |
| 01:04.16 | Bleeter | interestingly, searching for 'boobies' returns a result |
| 01:04.33 | Kirkburn|afk | And I've attached a large angry change notice |
| 01:04.34 | Bleeter | not to mention the 'hot naked firm boobs' google ad |
| 01:08.01 | kaso | Well this problem has been good for me |
| 01:08.07 | Kirkburn|afk | How so? |
| 01:08.34 | kaso | I found a bug where it would ignore recipes for items that when crafted had random enchants on |
| 01:09.05 | kaso | also ive made it keep a local cache of the random/grey items array between edits to wiki so if i have to manually stop the bot, it isnt a huge pain in the ass |
| 01:09.25 | Adys | o |
| 01:10.01 | Adys | this is odd tbh |
| 01:10.19 | Adys | at some poitn editing popular templates (like what, three or four weeks ago?) didnt generate that shit anymore |
| 01:10.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Actually it was because we were moving to new templates |
| 01:10.54 | Kirkburn|afk | The ones we were editing weren't much in use |
| 01:11.20 | Kirkburn|afk | At least, that's my recollection |
| 01:11.28 | Adys | hm |
| 01:11.34 | Adys | i recall editing elinksitem |
| 01:11.39 | Adys | and having a 20 seconds downtime |
| 01:11.51 | Adys | something like that |
| 01:11.54 | kaso | so, when you edit a template, does it have to go to each page that uses it and edit the page's rendered content? I'd have thought it would have done the rendering on request though when i think about it maybe that would have been even more taxing |
| 01:12.53 | Gryphen | the pages that use it are cached |
| 01:14.16 | Gryphen | should say, pages in general are cached, not dynamic |
| 01:16.03 | kaso | is everything a-ok and back to normal on the wiki then? |
| 01:16.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Uh, how do I put this |
| 01:16.29 | Kirkburn|afk | hum |
| 01:16.36 | Gryphen | wowwiki can't be a-ok and normal |
| 01:16.43 | Kirkburn|afk | The thing at fault was kasobot |
| 01:16.47 | kaso | oh crap |
| 01:16.51 | kaso | What've i done |
| 01:17.06 | Kirkburn|afk | It added a line break in the middle of the tooltip code |
| 01:17.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Wait, wait |
| 01:17.28 | kaso | that affects it? |
| 01:17.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Now I'm confused |
| 01:17.39 | kaso | i thought whitespaces and newlines were ignored |
| 01:17.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Sorry, hadn't refreshed |
| 01:17.53 | Kirkburn|afk | yeah, I think it was the tooltip change |
| 01:18.04 | kaso | sure you're sure? |
| 01:18.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, I just went back and checked it, looks fine |
| 01:18.31 | kaso | i can track down the mis-placed newline if you like, but uptil now i'd ignored it because i thought it was simply ignored |
| 01:20.02 | Kirkburn|afk | After level, before sell |
| 01:20.09 | Kirkburn|afk | I've left a note for Fandy |
| 01:22.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, Bagginsw, Gryphen, Montagg, everyone - I want to make sure everyone understands: please do not edit popular templates without telling anyone. Even if you're an admin, you still have to be accountable. |
| 01:23.04 | Kirkburn|afk | kaso, should be fine to restart the bot :) |
| 01:23.29 | kaso | I might as well track down the newline whilst its offline, gimme 5min :< |
| 01:23.31 | kaso | :> |
| 01:23.38 | Kirkburn|afk | :) |
| 01:27.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Fandy sounds pissed :/ |
| 01:29.48 | kaso | hokay that should fix the newline |
| 01:31.54 | Bagginsww | hmm? |
| 01:32.11 | kaso | what does the hmm refer to? |
| 01:32.28 | Bagginsww | fandy is pissed? |
| 01:32.38 | Kirkburn|afk | See his talk page |
| 01:33.04 | Kirkburn|afk | "In a huff", might be a better description? |
| 01:33.19 | Bagginsww | the "whatever"? |
| 01:33.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Aye |
| 01:33.32 | Bagginsww | hmm |
| 01:33.44 | Kirkburn|afk | hmm |
| 01:34.16 | kaso | shall i continue? i must admit I'm a feeling a little cautious at the moment |
| 01:34.22 | Kirkburn|afk | I think he feels a bit odd given that he was pretty much sole admins for a looong time |
| 01:34.24 | Bagginsww | well I promise I won't touch templates much, especially the ones that do fancy things :p... I don't know wiki commands well enough :p |
| 01:34.38 | Kirkburn|afk | He might feel put out by the "new guard" |
| 01:34.47 | Kirkburn|afk | kaso, go go |
| 01:34.54 | Kirkburn|afk | None of this was to do with kasobot |
| 01:35.09 | kaso | phew |
| 01:36.56 | Bagginsww | I think the only templates I've mess with were updating the language ones, a few of the source templates, and a few of the clan and race ones :) |
| 01:37.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, by popular I mean elinks, tooltip, etc |
| 01:38.31 | Bagginsww | ahh, the ones I probably never use, and let experts include, ;) |
| 01:38.55 | Bagginsww | If its outside of lore, I'm clueless heh heh |
| 01:41.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Updated my note to Fandy |
| 01:41.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Fortunately I found proof he broke it |
| 01:41.39 | Kirkburn|afk | "Fortunately" |
| 01:42.30 | Bagginsww | hmm |
| 01:43.44 | Kirkburn|afk | kaso, just wondering - did you fix just remove the sell and ilvl lines? |
| 01:44.02 | kaso | it shouldnt have |
| 01:44.12 | kaso | the stubs dont have sell and ilvl |
| 01:44.28 | kaso | i cant get that infomation so i only copy it over if it was already there in tooltipcss form |
| 01:44.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah okay |
| 01:44.48 | kaso | same with {{spelllink}} for "green" text |
| 01:48.36 | Kirkburn|afk | With your bot, we'll hit 30,000 pages in no time :) |
| 01:49.16 | kaso | Are bots allowed into the 10,000 club :> |
| 01:49.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes |
| 01:49.26 | kaso | woot |
| 01:49.43 | Kirkburn|afk | VoidvectorBot is already there :) |
| 01:49.54 | kaso | got alot of catching up to do! |
| 01:51.26 | kaso | Whats quite interesting is watching how certain items are spread along the ItemID line, (and hence, giving a rough estimate as to went they werre made |
| 01:52.00 | kaso | I've just gotten into Stranglethorn vale items |
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| 01:53.03 | kaso | I was surpised at how low the indices are for most of the world drop epics |
| 01:53.15 | kaso | i mean teebu's is at like ~1700 |
| 01:53.19 | Skyfire | what's goin on in dis hear thread? |
| 01:53.23 | kaso | thats before barrens loot |
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| 01:55.44 | Karrius | They did the barrens after a lot of alliance stuff, didnt' they? |
| 01:55.45 | Kirkburn|afk | heu Tek |
| 01:56.27 | kaso | Not that i've noticed Karrius but its not like ive been keeping paying total attention |
| 01:56.36 | kaso | i just notice names scroll by every now and again |
| 01:57.14 | Karrius | I mean in actual design order, I thought they did alliance first, then horde. |
| 01:57.28 | kaso | that'd make sense |
| 01:57.29 | Karrius | As opposed to "Level 1 stuff. Level 5 stuff. Level 10 stuff." etc |
| 01:57.41 | Karrius | A common complaint of horde: Our stuff was last and was rushed! |
| 02:00.08 | Kirkburn|afk | DRAMADRAMADRAMA! :P |
| 02:00.17 | Skyfire | when did fandy kill the template? |
| 02:00.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Sorry, just felt like making an outburst |
| 02:00.34 | kaso | Kirkburn dont let anyone take my monolithic {{tooltip}} i love it too much |
| 02:00.42 | Skyfire | ah |
| 02:00.47 | Skyfire | 11 min ago |
| 02:01.05 | Kirkburn|afk | 11 min ago? Much longer than that |
| 02:01.23 | Skyfire | ok, 1:11 |
| 02:01.23 | Kirkburn|afk | 11 min was about the downtime :P |
| 02:01.25 | Skyfire | >.> |
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| 02:01.41 | Skyfire | hola hobin! |
| 02:02.38 | Skyfire | it was kirkburn's first bout with fandy tonight! XD |
| 02:02.50 | Kirkburn|afk | kaso did it! |
| 02:02.56 | Skyfire | lol |
| 02:02.58 | kaso | One thing that seems exceedingly oblivious to me is the complete lack of thought that went into the whole spellcaster side of the game |
| 02:03.03 | kaso | you meanie! |
| 02:03.49 | Skyfire | huh |
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| 02:03.59 | Skyfire | check out http://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:Tooltip |
| 02:04.08 | Skyfire | he's goin on an anti-tooltip attack |
| 02:04.11 | Skyfire | lol |
| 02:04.20 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Adys] by ChanServ |
| 02:04.30 | Adys | So yes I was saying I hate my irc. |
| 02:04.41 | Adys | my isp.. |
| 02:05.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Since I spy many admins about |
| 02:05.09 | Skyfire | yah... uh, kirk, i deleted my comment. i noted that it was still locked, after having learned about the darma |
| 02:05.21 | Skyfire | lol |
| 02:05.21 | Adys | did fandy say anything? |
| 02:05.30 | Kirkburn|afk | lol yeah |
| 02:05.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Admin note! We should make sure that when we discussing stuff on here, that if it's some big decision, it should be noted on the wiki somehow |
| 02:06.16 | Skyfire | hmm... http://www.wowwiki.com/IRC_talks ? |
| 02:06.16 | Kirkburn|afk | "See IRC" as the change note is a bit cheeky :P |
| 02:06.33 | Adys | woah Fandy is gone really mad >< |
| 02:06.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Nah, I'm meaning on the relevant talk pages |
| 02:06.49 | Skyfire | it could be used as an archive type page though |
| 02:07.04 | Skyfire | you can also put the note on the relevant talk page as well |
| 02:07.05 | Adys | I agree with skyfire btw, we should archive important IRC talks |
| 02:07.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Freenode keeps logs irrc? |
| 02:07.40 | Kirkburn|afk | *iirc |
| 02:07.46 | Kirkburn|afk | But I guess that's not good enough : |
| 02:07.49 | Adys | iirc.. irc.. very funny :P |
| 02:07.52 | Skyfire | why not? |
| 02:07.52 | Adys | I keep logs btw |
| 02:07.55 | Adys | while im online |
| 02:07.59 | kaso | Kirkburn|afk, |
| 02:08.03 | kaso | ibot keeps logs |
| 02:08.08 | Skyfire | lol |
| 02:08.09 | kaso | ~logs |
| 02:08.10 | infobot | [logs] apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 02:08.10 | Skyfire | kaso ftw |
| 02:08.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Who wants to trawl though pages of crap in french? |
| 02:08.19 | kaso | buuuuut... |
| 02:08.21 | Adys | I hate you :P |
| 02:08.23 | Skyfire | lol |
| 02:08.25 | Skyfire | poor adys |
| 02:08.27 | Kirkburn|afk | heehee |
| 02:08.28 | kaso | i think "logs" are a bad think in my opinion |
| 02:08.34 | kaso | (just my 2c) |
| 02:08.48 | Adys | of the important talks about the wiki i dont see why not tbh |
| 02:08.57 | kaso | People never like to read logs, people never read logs |
| 02:09.02 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm on 9925 edits |
| 02:09.07 | Skyfire | then we need a summary or something |
| 02:09.17 | kaso | It should be more of a manual mirroring in talk pages than automatic logs |
| 02:09.18 | Skyfire | how the hell do you know the number? have you been counting? :/ |
| 02:09.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Skyfire, it's time consuming to find out :P |
| 02:09.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Safe to say, it requires lots of fiddling with Contribs |
| 02:09.53 | Adys | Bwuhaha, I got more than you! |
| 02:10.14 | kaso | Kirkburn|afk, if there is going to be discussion onto {[tooltip}} changes should i stop the bot for a while until something is sorted out. |
| 02:10.16 | Skyfire | oh... you're just counting how many pages of 500 you have, and then counting how many pages of 100, etc? |
| 02:10.21 | Adys | Kaso, I see what you mean |
| 02:10.24 | Kirkburn|afk | kaso, nope |
| 02:10.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Bot is fine |
| 02:10.32 | kaso | hokay |
| 02:10.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Skyfire, sort of |
| 02:10.52 | Skyfire | ah |
| 02:10.56 | Skyfire | k, afk for dinner |
| 02:11.23 | kaso | Adys thats sort of the way free open source software dev teams do it, they have infomal chats in IRC but anything of actual worth is done in mailing lists |
| 02:11.46 | Adys | yar i get you |
| 02:12.18 | Adys | Anyhow, anything really big discussed on here should be logged and reported on the wiki or somewhere at least tbh |
| 02:13.04 | Kirkburn|afk | My god! That sounds just like what I said! ;) |
| 02:13.38 | Kirkburn|afk | kaso, how does the bot work exactly? |
| 02:14.18 | Kirkburn|afk | It is basically just going down the number list looking for empty articles |
| 02:14.37 | Kirkburn|afk | And if it finds a created one, it tries to fix the template? |
| 02:15.24 | kaso | It goes through items ids 1-35000, gets the tooltip data off blizzard, if it falls under my "ignore" catagogies then it skips to the next, else, constructs a {{tooltip}} out of it, then inspects the current page on wowwiki, if it is blank it makes a sub, if it has a tooltipcss it replaces it with the new {{tooltip}} it made, otherwise it just skips over |
| 02:16.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Intelligent! :) |
| 02:16.15 | Kirkburn|afk | And so far we're only on 4500 :O |
| 02:16.20 | kaso | 4444 |
| 02:16.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Most the poor ones are low numbers, no? |
| 02:16.52 | kaso | not most |
| 02:16.57 | kaso | just mostly lowbie items |
| 02:17.27 | kaso | its a good approximation for when the item was created, so it goes like 1-5 items, 10-20 items etc etc |
| 02:17.38 | Kirkburn|afk | What are the current ignore cats? |
| 02:18.07 | kaso | Trash, common, random suffix |
| 02:18.40 | kaso | oh, also as a hackish fixed if there is more than one tooltipcss on the page it will be skipped |
| 02:19.35 | kaso | cos it can get rather confused as to whats going on |
| 02:20.01 | Kirkburn|afk | :) |
| 02:20.28 | Kirkburn|afk | I wonder how long the poor quality list will get |
| 02:20.49 | Kirkburn|afk | I know they're kinda pointless, but I want almost just want them for higher page counts ;) |
| 02:21.11 | *** join/#wowwiki Adys2010 (n=Miranda@APoitiers-256-1-90-184.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 02:21.19 | Kirkburn|afk | A side benefit of this may at least be that the Unused Files list will go down |
| 02:21.28 | kaso | oh the icons? |
| 02:21.33 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o adys] by ChanServ |
| 02:21.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Aye |
| 02:21.35 | adys | Side benefit of? |
| 02:21.47 | Kirkburn|afk | kasobot |
| 02:21.50 | kaso | Does wowwiki have every icon? |
| 02:21.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Yup |
| 02:22.05 | kaso | good |
| 02:22.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys is having problems :/ |
| 02:22.10 | kaso | i was working under that assumption |
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| 02:22.20 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 02:22.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, it was a big thing, every icon is uploaded |
| 02:22.33 | Adys | fuck you tiscali, wanadoo, miranda, ARGH |
| 02:22.40 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
| 02:22.48 | Adys | And many icons are there for spells only |
| 02:23.02 | Kirkburn|afk | kasobot's next job? ;P |
| 02:23.08 | Adys | btw |
| 02:23.09 | kaso | haha |
| 02:23.20 | Adys | there is a very simple way to empty up the unused file list |
| 02:23.33 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:IL |
| 02:23.39 | kaso | Adys'd delete count ++ |
| 02:24.26 | Kirkburn|afk | I don't think that takes them off the list |
| 02:24.36 | Kirkburn|afk | In fact, I'm pretty certain it doesn't :/ |
| 02:24.38 | kaso | Who manages the icons nowadays i see most were uploaded by zeal |
| 02:24.59 | Adys | I do |
| 02:25.01 | Kirkburn|afk | I tried it with the high elf pictures - I had put them in a gallery to get them off the list |
| 02:25.06 | Adys | Zeal uploaded the post bc ones |
| 02:25.13 | Adys | tusva all the missing pre bc ones |
| 02:25.17 | Adys | I uploaded all the missing pngs |
| 02:25.23 | Adys | teamwork ;P |
| 02:25.25 | kaso | cool cool |
| 02:25.38 | kaso | do you extract + convert them yourself? |
| 02:25.51 | Adys | I downloaded most from allakhazam |
| 02:25.57 | kaso | cheats! |
| 02:26.07 | Adys | some didnt have transparency etc so i did another round from the mpqs |
| 02:27.02 | Adys | Ok |
| 02:27.07 | Adys | Im not sure how this is going to come up |
| 02:27.17 | Adys | But now there should be no unused icon |
| 02:27.37 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:WoW_Icons/Icon_List/Images |
| 02:27.53 | kaso | that is a large page :> |
| 02:27.58 | Adys | yes |
| 02:28.13 | Adys | Dont visit it too much tho :p |
| 02:28.19 | Adys | the wiki has enough problems as it is lol |
| 02:28.45 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Unusedimages |
| 02:32.08 | kaso | i have this issue with my blp converter that some images come out like this: http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/AzureWatch1.png |
| 02:32.10 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:BCRaids.png should that be deleted? |
| 02:32.22 | Adys | and yes kaso |
| 02:32.31 | Adys | bah zeal offline on msn |
| 02:32.33 | Hobinheim|afk | if you had to make a primary partition as small as you could, but still usable for vista and installing programs like wow, how big would you make it |
| 02:32.44 | Adys | he has a decent converter for this kind of pics kaso |
| 02:33.06 | Adys | 15gb small enough hob? |
| 02:33.14 | kaso | adys blizzard have a cool interactive SWF version of that nowadays |
| 02:33.17 | Hobinheim|afk | 15gb is like the minimum for vista itself |
| 02:33.27 | Hobinheim|afk | but you need to install programs n stuff later, right |
| 02:33.31 | Adys | Ah |
| 02:33.33 | Adys | well |
| 02:33.38 | Adys | go with 25-30 |
| 02:33.39 | kaso | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/bcattunement/ |
| 02:33.45 | Adys | Aye i know kaso |
| 02:33.47 | Adys | thats why i asked |
| 02:33.48 | Hobinheim|afk | yeah kaso wtf is up with that chart |
| 02:33.49 | kaso | Hobinheim|afk, why do you want to make it small |
| 02:34.00 | Hobinheim|afk | kaso, just messing around with dynamic disks |
| 02:34.06 | kaso | wtf is up with it? |
| 02:34.11 | Hobinheim|afk | or thinking of when i get to reformatting |
| 02:34.13 | Hobinheim|afk | yeah it's ugly |
| 02:34.20 | Adys | whine at blizz :p |
| 02:34.20 | Hobinheim|afk | i dunno how it's usable at all |
| 02:34.21 | Hobinheim|afk | it's confusing |
| 02:34.24 | kaso | haha |
| 02:34.26 | Adys | mousovers |
| 02:34.30 | kaso | well the process *is* confusing! |
| 02:34.31 | Adys | you got JS installed or what? |
| 02:34.53 | Adys | its prob the best chart ive ever seen |
| 02:35.21 | Hobinheim|afk | ever go on a university internet connection and think... time to be abusive and watch quicktime trailers in hi def =) |
| 02:35.23 | Karrius | If you click on it, the mouseovers stay. |
| 02:35.35 | Hobinheim|afk | adys, you like that chart better than the candy colored one? |
| 02:35.41 | Adys | Much more |
| 02:35.55 | Hobinheim|afk | =( |
| 02:36.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Bloody hell Adys, sexy image page |
| 02:36.19 | Adys | thankyou :p |
| 02:36.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Just, er, let's hope no-one visits it |
| 02:36.54 | Adys | haha |
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| 02:37.22 | Sky|dinner | wowadys |
| 02:37.27 | Hobinheim|afk | wow that's quite the page |
| 02:37.36 | Hobinheim|afk | let's stop talking about it, go back in time and stop you from linking it |
| 02:37.42 | Hobinheim|afk | erase it from your minds, everyone! |
| 02:37.43 | Skyfire | noooooooooooooo |
| 02:37.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Lol, down to 221 unused files |
| 02:37.57 | Adys | infobot, forget that page |
| 02:38.05 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.09 | Adys | hm.. |
| 02:38.11 | Adys | ~that page? |
| 02:38.23 | infobot | i heard that page is confusing |
| 02:38.28 | Adys | ... |
| 02:38.43 | Hobinheim|afk | kirk, what did you think of the pirates trailer |
| 02:38.45 | Hobinheim|afk | i'm watching it again now |
| 02:38.50 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Ability_Warrior_Devastate.png ffqs |
| 02:38.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Cool, IE7 hated it though |
| 02:39.22 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 02:40.36 | Adys | Vysygota deserves a star |
| 02:40.56 | Adys | Kirkburn btw |
| 02:41.00 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:BCRaids.png should that be deleted? |
| 02:41.04 | Adys | now http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/bcattunement/ is there |
| 02:41.47 | Kirkburn|afk | We have http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:WoWRaids.png anyway |
| 02:41.53 | Kirkburn|afk | So yes |
| 02:42.37 | Skyfire | kirk, do you know where the recoloring came for the http://www.wowwiki.com/Daemon article? cause that is way cool |
| 02:42.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, don't say that :( |
| 02:42.58 | Kirkburn|afk | GreenEye |
| 02:43.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Check his talk page though Sky |
| 02:44.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, why "Vysygota deserves a star" ? |
| 02:44.43 | Adys | he's done a shitload of work on the bc raid loot |
| 02:44.44 | Skyfire | lol, krik |
| 02:44.49 | Skyfire | yeah, he has |
| 02:44.56 | Adys | what skyfire said this morning |
| 02:45.05 | Skyfire | well, last night... |
| 02:45.08 | Skyfire | silly frenchies |
| 02:45.09 | Skyfire | ;P |
| 02:45.17 | Adys | you forget i wake up at 10pm |
| 02:45.23 | Skyfire | o |
| 02:45.25 | Skyfire | uh |
| 02:45.30 | Kirkburn|afk | kaso, your bot has finished a bunch :( |
| 02:45.31 | Skyfire | damn frenchies on the nightshift |
| 02:45.33 | Skyfire | ;P |
| 02:45.50 | kaso | yah, im going to bed soon so thats it for the night i think |
| 02:45.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Me sleep now |
| 02:45.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Copycat |
| 02:46.02 | kaso | note: not going to be with kirkburn |
| 02:46.14 | Skyfire | lol |
| 02:46.34 | Adys | nn kirk |
| 02:46.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Aww, I have to be on the couch tonight kaso? |
| 02:47.12 | kaso | Man how can Lapidis Tankard of Tidesippe not have had a page up till now, thats an awesome name |
| 02:47.45 | Skyfire | who knows |
| 02:47.59 | Adys | =) |
| 02:48.27 | Skyfire | question... |
| 02:48.31 | Adys | is there any way to lock a page so that no one can visit it? |
| 02:48.40 | Skyfire | delete it |
| 02:48.41 | Skyfire | ;P |
| 02:48.49 | Adys | Like if it was deleted, but with keeping links and stuff |
| 02:48.52 | Skyfire | neway, how the hell did gul'dan's soul end up in outland? |
| 02:48.52 | kaso | remove all links to it? people arent gonna just guess names |
| 02:49.20 | Skyfire | oh, i know... |
| 02:49.20 | Adys | skyfire he's been doing stuff to shadowmoon |
| 02:49.29 | Skyfire | no, not that |
| 02:49.53 | kaso | Im more concerned about how sand gnomes got to outlands! |
| 02:50.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, just make sure it has no links |
| 02:50.16 | Adys | Well the problem is |
| 02:50.22 | Adys | every single icon article links it :P |
| 02:50.33 | Adys | Outland kaso |
| 02:50.34 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
| 02:50.45 | Kirkburn|afk | If only Ragestorm was here |
| 02:50.48 | Skyfire | http://www.wowwiki.com/Gul%27dan#Gul%27dan_in_World_of_Warcraft says that he appears to have been trapped at the time of the opening of the dark portal... right when he was trying to jack medivh's info |
| 02:50.51 | Adys | ^^ |
| 02:50.56 | Skyfire | :] |
| 02:50.59 | Skyfire | that's how |
| 02:51.02 | Skyfire | i r smart |
| 02:51.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, you could split the page up a bit? |
| 02:52.01 | Adys | I could do that yeah |
| 02:52.20 | Adys | Im finishing up with OwlBoy's dirty work tho |
| 02:52.20 | Kirkburn|afk | It's not really that bad of a page |
| 02:52.33 | Kirkburn|afk | It's just an unneccessary amount of bandwidth |
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| 02:56.06 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Adys] by ChanServ |
| 02:56.16 | Adys | I hate miranda |
| 02:57.00 | Bleeter | sady: why use it? |
| 02:57.57 | Adys | because it rocks |
| 02:58.06 | Adys | I dont hate it, i hate its bugs |
| 02:58.14 | Adys | its like people whining constantly about wow since two years |
| 02:58.16 | Adys | blizzard sucks |
| 02:58.18 | Adys | wow sucks |
| 02:58.20 | Adys | class balance sucks |
| 02:58.22 | Adys | pvp sucks |
| 02:58.25 | Adys | they play this game ffs |
| 02:58.38 | Adys | see my point? Miranda is awesome. Who likes blames |
| 02:59.25 | Bleeter | fair nuff |
| 03:14.02 | Adys | Ok |
| 03:14.11 | Adys | Where is this converter now |
| 03:15.41 | winkiller | uhm, how do I place a vote again? |
| 03:16.18 | Adys | {{vote|yes/no/whatever|~~~~|comment}} |
| 03:16.19 | Adys | iirc |
| 03:16.27 | winkiller | thanks |
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| 03:19.11 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+v Skosiris] by Adys |
| 03:19.16 | Adys | lo Sk |
| 03:30.28 | Adys | anyone has pre bc mpqs? |
| 03:30.35 | Adys | I need something from interface.mpq |
| 03:33.58 | winkiller | somewhere on my laptopt I guess |
| 03:34.04 | kaso | Adys |
| 03:34.08 | Adys | mm |
| 03:34.21 | kaso | nm |
| 03:34.40 | kaso | i updated my windows install i forgot :< |
| 03:34.45 | kaso | Whatcha after? |
| 03:35.04 | Adys | I need the icon INV_Misc_Ore_Gold_01.blp |
| 03:35.10 | Adys | from pre bc |
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| 03:35.33 | kaso | it changed? |
| 03:35.45 | Adys | seems so |
| 03:36.29 | Adys | sorry |
| 03:36.37 | Adys | INV_Ore_Gold_01 |
| 03:36.38 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:INV_Ore_Gold_01.png |
| 03:42.18 | Adys | ooh |
| 03:42.24 | Adys | theres the zul aman loading screen in the mpqs :) |
| 03:43.01 | kaso | '''Datamined pictures of unreleased content are not allowed''' |
| 03:43.02 | kaso | :> |
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| 03:44.44 | Adys | :P |
| 03:45.17 | winkiller | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Site_icon |
| 03:45.42 | winkiller | made a favicon, anyone wanna use that? |
| 03:45.57 | winkiller | or is there a specific reason wowwiki has none, as also nobody replied |
| 03:46.25 | kaso | i think i'd be better if it were just the slanted W without the border thing |
| 03:46.26 | winkiller | http://f5n.de <- so it looks |
| 03:46.46 | winkiller | where do I get that one? |
| 03:47.34 | kaso | i assumed it would be simple to make it :> |
| 03:47.44 | winkiller | well, I need the original one |
| 03:47.53 | winkiller | then I can convert it to the small icon :P |
| 03:48.13 | Skyfire | why not try clicking the symbol... :o |
| 03:48.37 | Skyfire | nvm.//. |
| 03:48.45 | winkiller | argh. wrong domain. moved it: http://stuff.art-core.org/ |
| 03:56.06 | Adys | Ok |
| 03:56.14 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:INV_Weapon_ShortBlade_29.png needs to be fixed to lowercase Shortblade |
| 03:58.54 | Adys | Same for http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:INV_Weapon_ShortBlade_30.png |
| 04:00.18 | winkiller | The following pages link to this file: |
| 04:00.32 | winkiller | do you change them or how will it be noticed? |
| 04:00.38 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:INV_Weapon_ShortBlade_31.png same here |
| 04:00.56 | Adys | Nah Ill take care of it |
| 04:01.00 | Adys | atm im just doing the uploads |
| 04:01.09 | Adys | writing down here so that I can remember >< |
| 04:01.16 | winkiller | lol, ok |
| 04:01.39 | Karrius | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/03/21/tier-6-names-and-bonuses/ |
| 04:01.44 | winkiller | beacuse the first 2 are already nonexistent |
| 04:02.45 | winkiller | I already had that multiple times. someone posts here and minimum one other also rushes to do it |
| 04:09.09 | Skosiris | hey, what's the "official" name for The Eye/Tempest Keep? |
| 04:09.22 | Skosiris | a lot of people use "The Eye", while the name in AreaTable.dbc is Tempest Keep |
| 04:09.29 | Adys | The Eye |
| 04:09.31 | Karrius | I think that's it. |
| 04:09.56 | Skosiris | aight |
| 04:10.03 | Adys | Category:Instance:Eye |
| 04:10.04 | Karrius | I think the full is "The Eye of Tempest Keep", isn't it? |
| 04:10.04 | Adys | is lol |
| 04:10.10 | Adys | No idea |
| 04:10.26 | Adys | tbh blizz needs to come up with decent name |
| 04:10.38 | Adys | Id have named it something like.. |
| 04:10.44 | Karrius | "Kael'thas's fun house." |
| 04:10.46 | Adys | Tempest Core or whatever |
| 04:10.53 | Adys | no thats taken wait |
| 04:10.59 | Adys | Tempest Heart :P |
| 04:11.04 | Adys | something like that anyways |
| 04:11.08 | Adys | Im not paid to do this |
| 04:12.05 | Skosiris | lol |
| 04:12.50 | Bibi`ouF | still labeled as "Tempest Keep" on the new bc attunement tool |
| 04:13.26 | Karrius | "Bodacious Bloodelf Brothel" |
| 04:13.34 | Karrius | "Flying Flamey Fortress" ? |
| 04:15.03 | Karrius | ...noone likes my suggestions? |
| 04:15.32 | Adys | Well well well |
| 04:15.37 | Adys | Tempest Keep |
| 04:15.41 | Adys | "And its satellites" |
| 04:16.03 | Adys | the exodar, the botanica, the mechanar and the arcatraz |
| 04:16.49 | winkiller | exodar? |
| 04:16.53 | winkiller | oh right.. |
| 04:17.16 | winkiller | guess for horde that is the hardest to clear |
| 04:17.37 | Adys | spaceship pew pew lol |
| 04:19.31 | Adys | Ok |
| 04:19.43 | Adys | it seems its confirmed that Tempest Keep is the name for "The Eye" |
| 04:20.32 | Adys | The Article The Eye should be moved to Tempest Keep |
| 04:35.10 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Eye_%28Tempest_Keep%29#The_Eye.2C_Tempest_Keep.2C_etc |
| 04:36.50 | Bibi`ouF | Adys : the /who doesnt matter |
| 04:36.59 | Bibi`ouF | it shows coilfang reservoir when you're in serpentshrine |
| 04:37.03 | Skosiris | surprisingly enough, Serpentshrine Cavern's name in the DBC files is Coilfang Reservoir |
| 04:37.12 | Adys | lmao |
| 04:37.40 | Skosiris | I suggest that you keep the name "The Eye" for now |
| 04:37.46 | Bibi`ouF | it looks nice |
| 04:37.47 | Adys | for now yes |
| 04:37.57 | Adys | but I want baggins and ragestorm to give their opinions on that |
| 04:38.06 | Adys | Because if we do rename it tempest keep |
| 04:38.11 | Adys | we might have to rename serpentshrine |
| 04:38.28 | Skosiris | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/bcattunement/ |
| 04:39.00 | Skosiris | it's kind of strange that Blizzard used "Tempest Keep" and "serpentshrine cavern" |
| 04:39.19 | Adys | I guess the eye is just ugly |
| 04:39.21 | Adys | and i agree |
| 04:39.40 | Karrius | It also bothers me that the BG has a similiar name |
| 04:40.43 | Bibi`ouF | oh great |
| 04:40.47 | Bibi`ouF | worldofraids stole more news from my site. |
| 04:40.49 | Bibi`ouF | :/ |
| 04:44.23 | Adys | What site? |
| 04:44.28 | Bibi`ouF | www.mmo-champion.com |
| 04:45.04 | Bibi`ouF | wowinsider.com mentionned my site, but worldofraids forgot :/ |
| 04:49.22 | Bibi`ouF | Skosiris : MSN c'est mal. |
| 04:49.44 | Adys | Skosiris |
| 04:50.29 | Skosiris | yeah? |
| 04:50.40 | Adys | Can you check up something for me |
| 04:50.43 | Skosiris | sure |
| 04:51.04 | Adys | says on your site you got the t6 bonuses. Can you check up the mage 4 piece bonus |
| 04:51.15 | Adys | if there is any way to tell if its base dmg or total dmg |
| 04:51.37 | Karrius | All things worded like that, that I've seen, have been total damage. |
| 04:51.51 | Adys | Aye |
| 04:52.01 | Adys | but Ive seen the other mage setbonuses and some suck :P |
| 04:52.10 | Karrius | Of course, I look on WoWHead, and what do I see? People immediately saying that it should have ALL use removed for my spec, because noone plays my spec, so clearly, no bonuses should be given to it. |
| 04:52.12 | sancus | that 4pc bonus is shit |
| 04:52.21 | sancus | well |
| 04:52.24 | sancus | it's the second best bonus :P |
| 04:52.30 | sancus | too bad the best one is a 2pc |
| 04:52.44 | Adys | Im not so sure sancus |
| 04:52.53 | Adys | things that scale with gear are good in general |
| 04:53.00 | sancus | 2pc T5 is mathematically superior to that bonus |
| 04:53.12 | Karrius | 1,283 mana with evocation for my 70, all blue mage. |
| 04:53.13 | Adys | whats the bonus? |
| 04:53.20 | sancus | 20% increase in arcane blast damage+mana cost |
| 04:53.39 | Karrius | ...lame. |
| 04:53.46 | sancus | I'll grant that that bonus is more flexible |
| 04:53.55 | sancus | but for an extra tier and 4pc instead of 2, still kinda meh |
| 04:53.58 | Adys | thats VERY situational |
| 04:54.00 | sancus | and that 2pc is HORRIBLE |
| 04:54.01 | sancus | no it's not |
| 04:54.08 | Karrius | The 6 piece makes up for it in awesomeness. |
| 04:54.13 | Karrius | The other two bonuses don't impress me. |
| 04:54.17 | sancus | It makes 40/21 arc/fire the best raid damage build in the game |
| 04:54.30 | Adys | yes thats why i say its situational |
| 04:54.33 | Karrius | Hold on, not to be rude, but just so I'm 100% certain. |
| 04:54.34 | sancus | ??? |
| 04:54.35 | Adys | it works for a spec |
| 04:54.35 | Karrius | You guys play mages? |
| 04:54.40 | Adys | yes |
| 04:54.43 | sancus | the best spec, yes |
| 04:54.51 | Adys | I personally am never dropping ice block |
| 04:54.53 | sancus | thats really the only relevant thing |
| 04:54.59 | sancus | you don't have to? |
| 04:55.03 | sancus | The funny thing about that bonus |
| 04:55.09 | Adys | in a 40/21 arc/fire I do |
| 04:55.10 | Skosiris | hmm |
| 04:55.18 | Karrius | kay. And from what I've seen, ALL mages use AB... although, that bonus doesn't really enhance the reason WHY they use it. |
| 04:55.28 | sancus | is that 40/21 arcane/ice is the second best build with it |
| 04:56.04 | Karrius | Yes, I know I'm crazy. |
| 04:56.10 | sancus | ab/ab/fireball/fireball repeat outdamages fireball spam with 2pc T5, and has far superior DPM and sustainability |
| 04:56.29 | sancus | with 40/21 arc/ice, you do ab/ab/frostbolt/frostbolt/fire blast, and it's almost as good dps/dpm |
| 04:56.33 | Karrius | ab/fireball/fireball/ab also enhances out the sustainability fire |
| 04:57.17 | sancus | those two builds are actually surprisingly close to 10/48/3 standard best current raid build |
| 04:57.22 | sancus | But 2pc T5 pushes them over the top |
| 04:57.37 | Adys | When you're not specced heavy arcane, AB is quite shit tbh |
| 04:57.38 | sancus | And if you use those nuke patterns, that increases your damage by about 8-9% |
| 04:57.51 | sancus | if you're not specced heavy arcane then you're not an optimal raid build if T5 is available to you |
| 04:57.55 | Adys | Talking in general, not specifically about raids |
| 04:58.11 | sancus | the other problem with that T6 bonus |
| 04:58.13 | Karrius | Eh, I kinda disagree. I know I didn't use it AS much when I was ice, but I still occasionally used it. |
| 04:58.16 | sancus | is it requires you to give up Spellfire |
| 04:58.20 | Karrius | Remember raids are all about crazy sustainability |
| 04:58.24 | sancus | which is like a big 'GIMP ME' sign |
| 04:58.30 | Karrius | sancus- Not all of us are tailors. |
| 04:58.34 | sancus | again |
| 04:58.38 | sancus | not optimal raid setup, then |
| 04:58.54 | sancus | not really important |
| 04:59.08 | Karrius | But it is something to consider. |
| 04:59.10 | sancus | (it sucks that tailoring is a requirement, sadly it is) |
| 04:59.30 | sancus | and sustainbility's not really a problem in raids, heh |
| 04:59.31 | Adys | You cant say that its a raid setup problem |
| 04:59.37 | Adys | so yes tailors will be better, but |
| 04:59.38 | sancus | at least not if you have a proper caster dps group |
| 04:59.56 | Adys | personally Ive had all the rare enchants from AQ etc and ive been given alot of rare enchants while levelling |
| 05:00.09 | sancus | you have two professions |
| 05:00.13 | Adys | Just suppose I had enchanting and another prof |
| 05:00.25 | sancus | you'd drop the other prof for tailoring |
| 05:00.29 | sancus | heh |
| 05:00.30 | Adys | And the same situation for the other profession |
| 05:00.35 | sancus | we had a warlock level enchanting just to enchant his rings |
| 05:00.39 | sancus | then he dropped it and levelled tailoring :p |
| 05:00.45 | sancus | now that's a serious player! |
| 05:01.09 | Karrius | Honestly, while Spellfire is really awesome, I still don't see it as a "must" simply because it's not THAT huge of an upgrade over blue stuff, and your spec will then be locked into place. |
| 05:01.15 | sancus | ? |
| 05:01.18 | sancus | it's a pretty huge upgrade |
| 05:01.30 | sancus | I mean, it's better than T5 |
| 05:01.32 | Karrius | Compared to how things used to be? |
| 05:01.42 | Adys | Sancus, look ahead |
| 05:01.44 | Karrius | Yeah, but t5 sucks. :p |
| 05:01.46 | sancus | your spec isn't really locked ahead |
| 05:01.48 | sancus | er locked |
| 05:01.51 | Karrius | That, really, is the problem. |
| 05:01.52 | Adys | therell be t6, t7, twhatever |
| 05:01.53 | sancus | it's locked into a fire or arcane based spec |
| 05:01.58 | sancus | which will always be the best for raiding anyhow so who cares |
| 05:02.02 | Adys | and I strongly, strongly doubt there will be a new tailoring set |
| 05:02.12 | sancus | then drop tailoring and get something else |
| 05:02.17 | sancus | enchanting prob |
| 05:02.40 | sancus | you have to stay up to date with whatever's the best at the particular time |
| 05:03.16 | sancus | personally I wish they would redesign tailoring so that it offers a minor enhancement like enchanting does with the ring enchants |
| 05:03.19 | sancus | instead of stupid gear |
| 05:03.19 | Adys | these things are ridiculous honestly. When it gets to get you forced to have different professions depending on whats better for the moment |
| 05:03.30 | sancus | but it's quite possible that they are going to do what blacksmithing has |
| 05:03.34 | Adys | professions are aimed to be equal, even if they are not, blizz will constantly buff them and another |
| 05:03.43 | sancus | and make recipest hat are direct upgrades to spellfire/shadoweave |
| 05:03.49 | sancus | which require things from raids |
| 05:04.08 | sancus | er if you haven't noticed, adys |
| 05:04.22 | sancus | the entire raid game is totally absurd and horrifically badly designed at the moment |
| 05:04.43 | Karrius | welcome to the new raid, same as the old raid? ;) |
| 05:04.44 | Adys | yes, and trying to beat it that way is getting your guild members and raid members even more bored |
| 05:04.58 | sancus | That's why they took out the heavy steel-bound nerf bat for gruul/magtheridon |
| 05:05.04 | sancus | and they "promised to fix" the raid epics |
| 05:05.23 | sancus | Karrius: no, old raids were fine |
| 05:05.35 | Adys | i disagree karrius, now even tho there is more stuff to do and get from many things, there are many more ways to fuck you up with them |
| 05:05.40 | sancus | theres no gear progression in new raids, and it was replaced with increasing consumable requirements instead |
| 05:05.48 | sancus | they recognize that that is ridiculous and are fixing it |
| 05:05.54 | sancus | but it'll be probably 6 months before it's properly rectified |
| 05:06.04 | Adys | aye |
| 05:06.21 | Karrius | sancus- Aye, because they eventually got around to fixing them all. Which is in the process of what they're doing now. I meant it more of a joke. |
| 05:06.22 | sancus | I mean, the whole situation sucks for mages anyhow right now |
| 05:06.31 | sancus | one of the reasons im not playing much |
| 05:07.01 | sancus | I would probably have cancelled my account if I were a rogue, mind you :p |
| 05:07.08 | Adys | lol |
| 05:07.14 | Adys | I can understand really very top hardcore guilds race eachother and need you to do that kind of stupid stuff |
| 05:07.18 | sancus | warlocks beat the shit out of every other dps in the game by so much |
| 05:07.20 | sancus | it's ridiculous |
| 05:07.40 | Adys | but "regular" hardcore guilds should stop fucking up their members |
| 05:07.50 | Karrius | It won't be long until we see 10-warlock Karazhan raids. |
| 05:07.51 | sancus | my guild is really very top hardcore |
| 05:07.54 | sancus | that's why I'm not playing right now |
| 05:08.01 | Adys | I figured sancus |
| 05:08.11 | sancus | because I don't have the time or inclination to work hard enough to keep their standards |
| 05:08.15 | Karrius | I honestly don't see the appeal in that. |
| 05:08.18 | sancus | but I don't think they should lower their standards. |
| 05:08.26 | sancus | I have a lot of respect for those sorts of players |
| 05:08.34 | sancus | WoW is just not for me atm |
| 05:08.41 | sancus | I can't stand playing an MMOG without being the best |
| 05:09.11 | sancus | or striving to be the best, in any case |
| 05:09.22 | Karrius | Eh, it just seems to me like that kinda stuff breeds assholeishness. |
| 05:09.30 | Adys | No karrius |
| 05:09.37 | sancus | we have some assholes in our guild |
| 05:09.39 | Tekkub | eletism much? :) |
| 05:09.47 | sancus | for me, performance and ability > personality |
| 05:09.47 | Tekkub | *eliteism |
| 05:09.53 | Adys | Elitism |
| 05:09.58 | sancus | ^^ |
| 05:10.02 | sancus | ofc I'm elitist |
| 05:10.04 | sancus | gee, is this news? |
| 05:10.10 | Tekkub | fuck you and your spelling elitism |
| 05:10.13 | sancus | I consider elitism to be necessary to my enjoyment of an mmo :) |
| 05:10.14 | Karrius | Tekkub- Not trying to be. Maybe attracts, but at least in my experience, it tends to be the hardcore guilds that have the biggest problems. |
| 05:10.25 | sancus | huh? |
| 05:10.28 | Karrius | I mean, I can understand "Not playing with idiots" |
| 05:10.35 | sancus | The hardcore guilds are usually the ones that stay together for the longest :P |
| 05:10.55 | Adys | disagree. the most hardcore ones only |
| 05:10.57 | Karrius | sancus, when a guild says "We can't have women in our guild because we're all too immature for that", you know there's something wrong. |
| 05:10.59 | sancus | the most hardcore, sure |
| 05:11.01 | Tekkub | of course it is, you take anything too seriously and you start making problems that aren't there |
| 05:11.06 | sancus | I'd agree with that |
| 05:11.13 | sancus | the 'middle hardcore' often do have a lot of problems, that's true |
| 05:11.18 | Adys | hardcore guilds fuck up much more easily when they have members that start not being able to maintain the standards like you |
| 05:11.24 | Adys | except that the most hardcore ones have applicants |
| 05:11.31 | sancus | That's because if you think you're hardcore, but for some reason you can't keep up |
| 05:11.32 | Adys | its biggered and pictured, but overall thats how it works |
| 05:11.35 | sancus | it causes massive drama |
| 05:11.37 | Karrius | I mean, I don't mean ALL guilds are like that. |
| 05:11.55 | sancus | that's true |
| 05:12.01 | sancus | That's why I'm *not playing* right now, instead of playing half-assed |
| 05:12.12 | sancus | because playing half-assed is simply unacceptable |
| 05:12.17 | Tekkub | I think what's trying to be said is, when a hardcore guild carshs and burns, they do it the most spectacularly |
| 05:12.20 | Karrius | But in my smaller guilds, when we broke up, which we certainly did a lot, it was never over stuff that seemed downright cruel. |
| 05:12.42 | Karrius | It seems to me like smaller guilds break apart peacefully. Big ones are never pretty. Yeah. |
| 05:12.47 | sancus | my guild formed on the day wow released, and we are to date the last guild from our original server that hasn't broken up on our faction |
| 05:13.00 | sancus | actually I guess it formed in beta, nm |
| 05:13.05 | sancus | wasn't part of it at that point then though |
| 05:13.16 | Adys | Im getting so many complains from members of my exguild, which was and still is the topguild of my server - On one side there are most officers/raidleaders that complain about the fact they didn't kill Gruul and Magtheridon prenerf and that they are annoyed by the nerf. On the other side there is the members that are one by one getting burned out from the consumable farm, constant wipes, goldfarming, etc etc etc |
| 05:13.58 | sancus | yeah, your guild is not really what I'm talking about when I say 'hardcore' |
| 05:14.09 | sancus | so I guess there's a distinction |
| 05:14.11 | Adys | thats what i mean when i say "semi hardcore" |
| 05:14.20 | Adys | Hardcore raiding, but not top worldwide progress |
| 05:14.22 | Tekkub | when he says hardcore, he means no life outside of work and wow :) |
| 05:14.42 | Adys | they still raid 6 days and half a week, they just suck since bc |
| 05:15.10 | Adys | Sandwich time, brb |
| 05:15.20 | sancus | god |
| 05:15.28 | Karrius | In soviet russia, sandwich time you. |
| 05:15.32 | sancus | they didnt kill gruul before the nerf and they raid 6 and a half days a week? |
| 05:15.41 | sancus | that would make me kill myself |
| 05:15.47 | sancus | (or at least find another guild) |
| 05:15.50 | Adys | At least you'd get to kill something |
| 05:15.50 | Adys | brb |
| 05:15.55 | sancus | haha |
| 05:16.04 | sancus | just terrible |
| 05:16.15 | Adys | back, no bread ftl |
| 05:16.20 | Adys | and why do you think i left them |
| 05:16.24 | Tekkub | you know how hardcore I am? |
| 05:16.28 | Adys | i knew they'd break apart when bc comes out |
| 05:16.30 | Tekkub | I've been in since open beta |
| 05:16.34 | Karrius | When you wipe on a raid, you delete your character? |
| 05:16.35 | Tekkub | I have a 64 hunter |
| 05:16.47 | Tekkub | my next highest is a 30 priest |
| 05:16.53 | sancus | in my experience |
| 05:17.06 | sancus | the difference between the actual top-end hardcore and the middle people who think they're hardcore |
| 05:17.18 | sancus | is tenacity and how many times they're willing to go back and wipe over and over again no matter what |
| 05:17.21 | Karrius | Is girlfriends. |
| 05:17.24 | Tekkub | I'm hardcore damnit |
| 05:17.25 | sancus | ... but clearly Adys' guild proves me wrong :P |
| 05:17.36 | sancus | if you can raid that hard and not kill gruul, something is seriously wrong with you |
| 05:17.44 | Tekkub | if blue gave exp for writing addons I'd have so many 70s by now |
| 05:17.47 | Karrius | Maybe they were just slow out of the gate? |
| 05:17.54 | Adys | They have started late |
| 05:17.54 | sancus | my guild killed gruul over a month ago |
| 05:17.59 | sancus | and they definitely DONT raid 6 days a week |
| 05:18.09 | Karrius | I mean, it's not particularly easy to key up and gear up 25 people, especially because you may not get full Karazhan groups. |
| 05:18.09 | sancus | more like 4-5 |
| 05:18.19 | Karrius | Too few warriors, too few priests, etc. |
| 05:20.00 | sancus | we run just two kara groups |
| 05:20.17 | sancus | and meh, theres enough class flexibility now that thats not so big of an issue |
| 05:20.24 | sancus | like we have a druid who specializes in tanking |
| 05:21.09 | Karrius | Eh. I guess my view on things is warped/doesn't really matter, seeing as my guild still isn't in Karazhan yet. :p |
| 05:22.10 | Adys | Skosiris you still there? |
| 05:22.43 | Skosiris | of course |
| 05:22.57 | Adys | I found some odd spells a while ago |
| 05:24.31 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=21230 |
| 05:24.37 | Adys | 21229 21228 and 21230 |
| 05:24.42 | Adys | any idea where they come from |
| 05:25.28 | sancus | oh |
| 05:25.44 | sancus | the arcane missiles one was the discarded Arcanist bonus |
| 05:25.53 | sancus | I suspect the others are discarded set bonuses also |
| 05:26.05 | Adys | wtb the arcane missile one tbh |
| 05:26.16 | Skosiris | hehe I don`t know |
| 05:26.32 | Adys | Sancus, any idea "when" it was discarded? |
| 05:26.34 | Skosiris | there are about 30000 spells, a lot of them are unused |
| 05:26.55 | sancus | uh yeah |
| 05:26.57 | sancus | a long time ago |
| 05:27.01 | sancus | likkkeeee |
| 05:27.08 | sancus | sometime in early 2005 maybe? |
| 05:27.16 | sancus | or maybe even 2004, I cant remember |
| 05:27.31 | sancus | It was the *first* set bonus that Arcanist had, no one ever actually got it |
| 05:27.36 | sancus | the 8pc |
| 05:27.50 | sancus | was changed before it was possible to get 8pcs |
| 05:27.55 | sancus | back when T2 was still partially dropping in MC heh |
| 05:28.01 | Adys | mc was out late in 2005 |
| 05:28.07 | Adys | how could you get t1 before then? |
| 05:28.17 | sancus | MC didn't come out late in 2005 |
| 05:28.36 | Adys | it came out with 1.1.0 or something |
| 05:28.48 | Adys | i suck with dates tho |
| 05:28.54 | sancus | I'm sure it wasn't late 2005 :p |
| 05:29.01 | sancus | no one ever had that set bonus though |
| 05:29.05 | sancus | it was simply datamined in alla |
| 05:29.14 | sancus | they changed it before it was obtainable |
| 05:29.46 | Adys | hmm ok, thanks |
| 05:29.52 | Adys | explains a fair bit |
| 05:30.18 | Adys | Now is it me or even before mc was out blizzard had no idea about balance |
| 05:30.34 | Adys | 24 dmg per fireball dot and 1 second duration on AM... lol |
| 05:31.13 | Adys | So arcanist actually had decent bonuses at some point |
| 05:31.40 | *** join/#wowwiki Skyfire (n=rawsonat@c-24-21-36-57.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 05:31.46 | Skyfire | i r back |
| 05:31.48 | sancus | yeah the AM bonus was great, lots of people looked forward to that one |
| 05:31.59 | sancus | until it got yanked out from under us and replaced with that worthless, shitty threat bonus |
| 05:32.10 | sancus | then the joke become |
| 05:32.13 | sancus | er became |
| 05:32.23 | sancus | 'the bonus is useless because if you're wearing arcanist you dont do enough damage to worry aobut threat' |
| 05:32.32 | Adys | haha |
| 05:32.47 | Skyfire | sounds exactly what i said... |
| 05:32.51 | Skyfire | :x |
| 05:33.00 | Skyfire | but it was the truth |
| 05:33.06 | Skyfire | arcanist is crap |
| 05:34.04 | sancus | everyone aspired to netherwind |
| 05:34.08 | sancus | I never even collected arcanist |
| 05:34.12 | sancus | only piece I ever had was gloves |
| 05:34.18 | sancus | and I bitched loud and long about ever wasting dkp on those gloves |
| 05:34.29 | sancus | they finally realized they had "forgotten" to add a +12 damage bonus to them |
| 05:34.33 | Skyfire | i was offered the boots one run; i simply refused. |
| 05:34.38 | sancus | ... like 8 months after I completed netherwind, lolol |
| 05:34.45 | Adys | Arcanist Pants were nice |
| 05:34.49 | Skyfire | no |
| 05:34.52 | Adys | or actually decent |
| 05:34.56 | Skyfire | if you can clear to garr, you can clear to rag |
| 05:35.06 | sancus | I wore, what do you call them |
| 05:35.12 | sancus | skyshroud?? pants from lbrs forever |
| 05:35.16 | Skyfire | truth |
| 05:35.26 | Skyfire | i upgraded to those pants from zg |
| 05:35.31 | Adys | it drops from magmadar skyfire.. |
| 05:35.35 | Skyfire | w/e. |
| 05:35.41 | Skyfire | point is, arcanist was crap. |
| 05:35.47 | Skyfire | black blizzard > arcanist |
| 05:35.58 | Adys | Black blizzard is 1.9 |
| 05:36.06 | Adys | beetween 1.1 and 1.9 theres been a while |
| 05:36.15 | Skyfire | skyshroud was still better until then |
| 05:36.20 | Skyfire | and then the zg pants came out |
| 05:36.24 | Skyfire | in 1.6 i think :x |
| 05:36.28 | Adys | 1.7 |
| 05:36.31 | Skyfire | close enuf |
| 05:36.32 | Skyfire | lol |
| 05:36.40 | sancus | skyshroud were like the best pants avail for a long time :( |
| 05:36.41 | Adys | 1.6 was bwl |
| 05:36.56 | sancus | http://www.thottbot.com/i13170 |
| 05:37.03 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=13170 |
| 05:37.18 | Skyfire | yar |
| 05:37.30 | Skyfire | http://www.wow.allakhazam.com/?item=13170 ... ? :x |
| 05:37.35 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=16796 |
| 05:37.42 | Skyfire | fail! |
| 05:37.44 | sancus | im pretty sure that I upgraded directly from skyshroud pants to netherwind pants |
| 05:37.44 | Skyfire | i r failure |
| 05:37.49 | sancus | which were the best available for a loooong time |
| 05:38.02 | Adys | there is actually a large difference in stats tho |
| 05:38.04 | Skyfire | i really wanted black blizzard... think i have |
| 05:38.09 | Skyfire | them |
| 05:38.16 | Skyfire | argh, don't remember xD |
| 05:38.17 | sancus | yeah but stats were useless |
| 05:38.20 | Skyfire | truth |
| 05:38.22 | sancus | especially back then |
| 05:38.23 | Skyfire | in pve ayway |
| 05:38.29 | Skyfire | pvp was a diff matter |
| 05:38.35 | sancus | the encounters were not big on randomly targeted incremental damage |
| 05:38.57 | sancus | if you were in the right spot and had the right resists on, you were good regardless of your hp |
| 05:39.37 | Skyfire | never did get black blizzard |
| 05:40.32 | sancus | I kept netherwind until naxx, sup |
| 05:40.46 | Adys | i kept full netherwind until 70>< |
| 05:40.50 | Adys | couldnt be arsed to change |
| 05:41.31 | Adys | Uh |
| 05:41.37 | Skyfire | .... |
| 05:41.37 | Adys | since when is the arcanist 5/8 bonus (5) Set: Increases your spell penetration by 38. |
| 05:41.40 | Skyfire | you're strange |
| 05:41.44 | sancus | since a while :p |
| 05:41.49 | Skyfire | a while indeed.' |
| 05:41.55 | Adys | didnt it use to be 10? |
| 05:42.04 | sancus | I think so yeah |
| 05:42.07 | Adys | I remember it being shit |
| 05:42.10 | sancus | arcanist has been through a few changes :P |
| 05:42.14 | Skyfire | that's still shit -_- |
| 05:42.19 | sancus | especially for pve |
| 05:42.25 | Adys | 38 is much less shit than 10 |
| 05:42.29 | sancus | THANK YOU FOR THE STAT THAT DOES NOTHING IN PVE, CYA! |
| 05:42.39 | Skyfire | *most pve |
| 05:42.40 | Skyfire | ;P |
| 05:42.48 | Skyfire | there are a couple of fights it provides aid with |
| 05:42.50 | sancus | yeah it would help with uh |
| 05:42.53 | Skyfire | but not many |
| 05:42.55 | sancus | suppression room |
| 05:42.56 | sancus | I guess |
| 05:42.58 | Adys | nefarian chromatic dragons! |
| 05:42.59 | Skyfire | yar! |
| 05:43.06 | sancus | yeah those |
| 05:43.28 | Adys | Ive often wore some basic spellpenetration gear for neffie |
| 05:43.38 | Adys | that was my only "item set" |
| 05:43.46 | Adys | s/item/gear/ |
| 05:44.27 | Skyfire | here's my profile when i logged off for the last time in late dec... http://ctprofiles.net/57618 |
| 05:44.29 | Skyfire | >_> |
| 05:44.38 | Skyfire | one of the best sets pre bwl gear |
| 05:45.14 | Adys | eye of the beast egh |
| 05:45.35 | Skyfire | 2% crit ftw |
| 05:45.51 | Skyfire | it's what you do when you can't get a gd briarwood |
| 05:45.52 | Adys | the neck needs replacement if you want it a decent pre bwl gear set |
| 05:46.09 | Skyfire | yar, choker would've been ideal |
| 05:46.11 | Adys | id have gone with briarwood and one of the two mc chokers |
| 05:46.17 | Skyfire | of the fl |
| 05:46.33 | Skyfire | and, tbh, that neck's easily as good as enlightenment :/ |
| 05:46.38 | Adys | depends. razorgore isnt really much harder than rag |
| 05:46.40 | Skyfire | 2 dmg and a stam dif |
| 05:46.57 | Adys | so depends what you mean by "pre bwl" |
| 05:47.03 | Skyfire | no items from bwl |
| 05:47.04 | Skyfire | period |
| 05:47.17 | Adys | all items from naxx ftw |
| 05:47.24 | Skyfire | http://ctprofiles.net/539445 is what i came up with ideally |
| 05:47.26 | Skyfire | lol |
| 05:47.33 | Skyfire | that profiles pre bwl also |
| 05:47.37 | Skyfire | but preferable gear :/ |
| 05:47.51 | Adys | pvp gloves ?? |
| 05:47.55 | Skyfire | yup! :] |
| 05:47.56 | Adys | Get the epic ones>< |
| 05:48.03 | Adys | its just as easy to get |
| 05:48.09 | Skyfire | i wasn't around after they made that change... |
| 05:48.11 | Skyfire | ;p |
| 05:48.36 | Adys | um thats not true |
| 05:48.36 | Adys | the ones you have on this profile are the ones of the postpatch changes |
| 05:49.01 | Skyfire | i didn't have enuf time for grinding to r11, and that's when this profile is made |
| 05:49.11 | Skyfire | they didn't make the changes to the honor system until early dec |
| 05:49.44 | Skyfire | and then, i hadn't been playing with any sort of regularity since the beginning of sep :/ |
| 05:51.08 | Adys | is it possible to have 2 pc aldor regalia and 4 pc tempest regalia? |
| 05:51.36 | Skyfire | huh? |
| 05:52.29 | sancus | how should I know |
| 05:52.41 | sancus | that gear isn't known yet |
| 05:52.48 | sancus | just the set bonuses |
| 05:53.11 | sancus | probably not, though, I dont see why they would change the slots |
| 05:55.53 | Skosiris | Alright I have a little challenge for you guys |
| 05:56.21 | Skosiris | everyone who has some minutes of spare time is welcome to try to beat me at Turret Defense :P |
| 05:56.38 | Skyfire | learn2towerdefense, nub |
| 05:56.47 | Skosiris | http://www.handdrawngames.com/DesktopTD/GroupScoreboard.asp?group=wowhead |
| 05:56.48 | Skyfire | not this so called turret defense |
| 05:56.58 | Skosiris | score to beat: 7008 |
| 05:57.23 | Skosiris | on Normal mode |
| 05:57.30 | Adys | skosiris Ive got a challenge for you |
| 05:57.51 | Skosiris | actually you don't have to try to beat any score, just give this game a try, it's so addicting |
| 05:58.00 | Skosiris | yes? |
| 05:58.03 | Skyfire | you never played warcraft iii, did you...? |
| 05:58.05 | Adys | while I beat you at your game, you beat me at mine |
| 05:58.07 | Adys | http://www.ferryhalim.com/orisinal/g3/bells.htm |
| 05:58.25 | Adys | score to beat, 173 436 650 |
| 05:58.52 | Skosiris | there were turret defense maps for Starcraft as well |
| 05:59.04 | Skyfire | tower tower tower tower |
| 05:59.06 | Skyfire | grrr |
| 06:01.03 | Skosiris | nooo |
| 06:01.12 | Skosiris | 12 850 |
| 06:01.34 | Skosiris | I love that bunny game! |
| 06:02.40 | Adys | :P |
| 06:03.06 | Skosiris | does the Double score bird doubles your current score? |
| 06:03.10 | Skosiris | double* |
| 06:03.54 | Adys | aye |
| 06:04.07 | Adys | After a while once you got the hang of it, you fall when you're bored |
| 06:04.23 | Skosiris | 31 380 |
| 06:04.26 | Adys | Seen people with scores too long to be shown |
| 06:05.34 | Bagginsww | Lost was trippy tonight heh |
| 06:05.39 | Adys | I think 17 is the limit |
| 06:05.41 | Adys | oh baggins |
| 06:05.43 | Bagginsww | this season has been great |
| 06:05.44 | Adys | I need your help |
| 06:05.49 | Bagginsww | ya? |
| 06:06.06 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Eye_%28Tempest_Keep%29 |
| 06:07.02 | Bagginsww | adys The Eye was apparently once a sub-area within Tempest Keep I think |
| 06:07.08 | Bagginsww | was it removed since beta? |
| 06:07.27 | Adys | no idea, dont disturb me Im bunnying :P |
| 06:07.56 | Bagginsww | probalby changed though cause of confusion with Eye of the Storm, and The Eye of the Maelstrom |
| 06:09.39 | Adys | "Bunnying" sounded wrong didnt it |
| 06:09.46 | Adys | http://www.ferryhalim.com/orisinal/g3/bells.htm baggins try that |
| 06:10.24 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 06:10.52 | Bagginsww | well ya bunnying could imply mating like bunnies |
| 06:11.21 | Bagginsww | interesting game |
| 06:12.50 | Adys|Bunnying | theres not much lore behind this bunny |
| 06:12.56 | Adys|Bunnying | Sorry |
| 06:13.01 | Adys|Bunnying | but its a cool game |
| 06:13.17 | Skyfire | skosiris, it goes too fast ;( |
| 06:13.28 | Skyfire | not a real td if you can't plan your moves |
| 06:22.32 | Skosiris | try Easy mode to get more familiar with the available towers |
| 06:22.43 | Skyfire | eh, got up to 1.7k |
| 06:22.47 | Skyfire | ill try again tomorrow |
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| 06:23.08 | Skyfire | much easier when you know the hotkeys/can use a mouse :] |
| 06:23.12 | Skyfire | uh... |
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| 06:24.53 | Bagginsww | bunny shoudl splat when ti falls from the sky. ;) well that usually happens on the happy friends. |
| 06:25.18 | Bagginsww | *happy tree friends |
| 06:26.15 | Skyfire | hmmm |
| 06:26.30 | Skyfire | could we change the item boilerplate to use <includeonly>s instead of <noinclude>s? |
| 06:27.48 | Skyfire | guess not |
| 06:27.50 | Skyfire | lol |
| 06:28.06 | Skosiris | the bells become smaller as you jump higher |
| 06:28.14 | Skosiris | 539 300 :) |
| 06:28.31 | Adys | Bwahaha |
| 06:28.35 | Adys | New score to beat |
| 06:28.44 | Adys | 299850250 |
| 06:28.56 | Skosiris | whoa |
| 06:29.10 | Adys | as i said its nothing |
| 06:29.17 | Adys | some peeps got 17 numbers in their score :P |
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| 06:31.06 | Adys | http://adys.stools.net/temp/stupidbunnygame.png |
| 06:32.30 | Skyfire | thats nice |
| 06:33.11 | Skyfire | someone, do any of these zones have anything in common? i don't play anymore... :x http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23625 |
| 06:35.19 | Adys | zones |
| 06:35.20 | Adys | ? |
| 06:35.34 | Adys | ah the drop places |
| 06:35.36 | Adys | no |
| 06:35.38 | Adys | world drop |
| 06:36.28 | Skyfire | cool |
| 06:38.58 | Skyfire | so i have a question... what if an item really can only be obtained by owning tbc?... |
| 06:39.00 | Skyfire | :O |
| 06:41.08 | Adys | then its obvious and doesnt have to be precised |
| 06:41.47 | Skyfire | ... |
| 06:41.52 | Skyfire | touche |
| 06:42.51 | Adys | made the change within reason you know :P |
| 06:46.20 | Skyfire | question |
| 06:46.40 | Skyfire | what should I cat http://www.wowwiki.com/Primal_Nether in? |
| 06:46.50 | Skyfire | it's used in a billion professions |
| 06:47.41 | Adys | Noooooo |
| 06:47.56 | Adys | I was gonna get 1 000 000 000 :( |
| 06:48.11 | Skyfire | irony, no? |
| 06:48.14 | Adys | New score to beat, 494 236 310 |
| 06:48.18 | Adys | and i missed the bird |
| 06:48.25 | Adys | and yeah thats fucking ironic |
| 06:54.23 | Skyfire | if an item's epic, and it drops from a boss in a sub-lvl 70 instance, that would mean it's an heroic drop, correct? |
| 06:54.43 | xlvii | yes |
| 06:54.55 | Skyfire | mk |
| 06:55.06 | xlvii | all bop ones anyway |
| 06:55.08 | xlvii | i believe. |
| 06:55.10 | xlvii | boe are random. |
| 06:55.11 | xlvii | :P |
| 06:55.34 | Skyfire | yar |
| 06:55.40 | Skyfire | i assumed as much :x |
| 06:56.46 | Adys | this bunny game can be compared to wow |
| 06:56.53 | Adys | The bells are PvE |
| 06:57.01 | Adys | The birds are PvP |
| 06:57.17 | Adys | The bunny is your character |
| 06:57.27 | Adys | And the score is your gear |
| 06:58.02 | Adys | PvE is a necessary step, whereas PvP - while taking more skills - is optional, but gives a better reward |
| 06:58.44 | Adys | Some may choose to progress fast through content and, while missing a fair bit of fun in the game, they have a different style and get rewarded much faster |
| 06:59.28 | Adys | While some choose to progress slowly, without skipping steps, at a more casual rythm. The time for them to have the same gear as hardcore players will be much higher, but eventually good ones will get it |
| 07:00.28 | Adys | On the end, the game is a grind that is necessary but doesn't make you feel any better once you completed it. And even if there is always more competition (Higher scores to beat), that eventually drive you to keep going, you'll see when you stop playing that you have achieved nothing |
| 07:00.46 | Adys | this game is sick, Im closing that |
| 07:01.04 | Skyfire | lol |
| 07:01.12 | Skyfire | don't compare it to wow, and your life will be better |
| 07:07.11 | Adys | you can also compare the bells to Solo/Grinding content |
| 07:07.18 | Adys | and the birds to raid content |
| 07:08.02 | Skyfire | ugh |
| 07:08.07 | Adys | raiders will usually skip most of the solo content, but a minimum is necessary to keep progressing |
| 07:08.15 | Adys | farming pots, cash and so on |
| 07:11.31 | Skyfire | that's nice |
| 07:11.54 | Skyfire | adys, do you agree that items that have only been seen 3 times out of a lot on any given boss means that the item doesn't drop from that boss? |
| 07:12.17 | Adys | depends |
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| 07:27.33 | TheMagnumMnkey | hi |
| 07:29.21 | TheMagnumMnkey | anyone here? |
| 07:34.37 | Adys | Sort of |
| 07:36.06 | TheMagnumMnkey | so what server do u guys play on |
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| 07:50.54 | Eylena_aka_HJT | good morning every1! |
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| 09:40.29 | Bleeter | .. |
| 10:38.22 | Adys | Ok |
| 10:38.34 | Adys | On boilerplate:Item im removing again the item introduction |
| 10:39.35 | Adys | As we discussed before its most often quite a ridiculous introduction by itself (Ashbringer is a bigass warrior sword) so if anyone feels it should be kept just say so on talk or on here |
| 10:41.34 | Tekkub | I think the intro is bullshit |
| 10:41.44 | Tekkub | frankly most items don't even need section |
| 10:41.48 | Tekkub | *sections |
| 10:41.59 | Tekkub | they have one use and a elinks section |
| 10:42.02 | Adys | Thats what i thought too |
| 10:42.17 | Tekkub | the only real exception are basic trade mats that are used a lot |
| 10:42.17 | Adys | btw tekkub |
| 10:42.25 | Tekkub | and that should be sectioned by trade |
| 10:42.41 | Adys | would it be possible to move the toc to the left of the tooltip, next to it? |
| 10:42.46 | Adys | instead of being all the way to the left |
| 10:42.58 | Adys | so that we dont have to push the sections down |
| 10:43.01 | Tekkub | I was actually trying to find a way to do that with images |
| 10:43.10 | Tekkub | brb |
| 10:44.01 | Tekkub | okey back |
| 10:44.17 | Tekkub | yea lemme tinker, I hate {{Tooltip}} |
| 10:44.29 | Tekkub | for one, it's always floating right on embed pages |
| 10:44.48 | Adys | hm |
| 10:45.02 | Adys | Maybe there is a possibility to make a template something like.. |
| 10:45.16 | Tekkub | it should float right only if the pagename is same, or if you manually make it |
| 10:45.25 | Adys | {{Transclude|Ashbringer|float=blah}} |
| 10:46.23 | Adys | well that should be doable easily tbh |
| 10:46.24 | Tekkub | well if the item pages are made right, {{:Itemblahthing|right}} |
| 10:46.24 | Tekkub | issue is fixing current pages :P |
| 10:46.24 | Adys | hm, how can that be possible? |
| 10:46.32 | Tekkub | template majicks |
| 10:46.39 | Adys | ah wait i think i see |
| 10:47.04 | Tekkub | {{Tooltip |
| 10:47.04 | Tekkub | |float={{{1|right}}} |
| 10:47.05 | Adys | float={{{float|right}}} ? |
| 10:47.25 | Tekkub | depends on if you want the param named, but yea |
| 10:47.26 | Adys | i see |
| 10:48.10 | Tekkub | I think I know the issue with putting the toc on the right |
| 10:48.25 | Tekkub | {{Tooltip}} is clearing the right at the end isn't it? |
| 10:48.35 | Adys | hm id have to check to answer |
| 10:48.41 | Adys | but thats probable |
| 10:49.02 | Tekkub | hrm... it's not unless it's in the div tag |
| 10:50.20 | Tekkub | what's <ul> |
| 10:50.23 | Tekkub | is that doing it? |
| 10:50.37 | Adys | ul its for lists no? |
| 10:50.41 | Tekkub | no that's thi list thing |
| 10:50.44 | Tekkub | hrm |
| 10:51.30 | Tekkub | unless it's the newline at the end of the template that's doing it, but I doubt that |
| 10:51.40 | Tekkub | god I hate the TOC thing |
| 10:51.40 | Adys | all pages have that |
| 10:51.59 | Adys | I just have an idea |
| 10:52.12 | Adys | is it possible to parse the page to check if a section exists, somehow? |
| 10:52.18 | Adys | We could make a default toc |
| 10:52.20 | Tekkub | most items pages don't need a toc |
| 10:52.43 | Adys | yeah thats why I added the notoc on the original bp |
| 10:52.50 | Adys | but zeal insisted to get it back |
| 10:53.07 | Tekkub | I think we should just leave the default TOCs in for now |
| 10:53.13 | Tekkub | it doesn't add a toc on short pages |
| 10:53.40 | Adys | Tekkub, any idea if it is possible to parse the page for existing sections? |
| 10:53.51 | Tekkub | yes they're ugly, but they're not going to play nice with the tooltip and screenies on the right |
| 10:53.52 | Tekkub | and no |
| 10:54.29 | Adys | Something like {{If|{{Sectionexists|Used in}}|then=[[{{PAGENAME}}#Used_in]]|else=}} |
| 10:54.31 | Adys | :/ |
| 10:54.57 | Tekkub | stupid idea |
| 10:55.05 | Tekkub | why not float the tooltips left? |
| 10:55.17 | Adys | that would be ugly no? |
| 10:55.26 | Adys | you mean, if source was right of the toc? |
| 10:55.30 | Tekkub | *sigh* god I hate these tooltips |
| 10:55.41 | Tekkub | and tocs |
| 10:56.05 | Adys | TOC is the french for OCT! |
| 10:56.11 | Adys | or was it COT.. |
| 10:56.22 | Adys | obsessional compulsive troubles.. |
| 10:56.26 | Adys | something like that |
| 10:56.30 | Tekkub | what if instead of a flota, we clrl after the tooltip |
| 10:56.34 | Adys | whatever, thats not interesting. So what were we saying |
| 10:56.43 | Tekkub | tip left, screenie and TOC right, clr, then text |
| 10:56.59 | Adys | hm, that would be problematic on long tooltips |
| 10:57.04 | Adys | and also on very short ones (gems) |
| 10:58.04 | Tekkub | okey, fine, let me just put this out there... WHY do we need tocs on item pages? period? |
| 10:58.13 | Tekkub | tocs are designed to navigate big pages |
| 10:58.14 | Adys | Because zeal said so |
| 10:58.18 | Tekkub | item pages AR NOT big |
| 10:58.19 | Adys | :P |
| 10:58.23 | Tekkub | zeal's not here |
| 10:58.27 | Adys | No seriously i agree |
| 10:58.32 | Tekkub | give me a reason, not an opinion |
| 10:58.37 | Adys | {{tooltip}} should include __NOTOC__ |
| 10:58.46 | Tekkub | I see no reason to, __NOTOC__ them |
| 10:58.53 | Tekkub | no it shouldn't |
| 10:59.03 | Tekkub | cause it'll notoc any transclude |
| 10:59.23 | Adys | if equal pagename {{name}} then=notoc else= |
| 10:59.49 | Adys | Actually |
| 10:59.55 | Tekkub | put it in the boilerplate, if anyone has a good arguement for having it at all times, instead of using editor judgement to manually add a toc to a long page, they can make their case |
| 11:00.17 | Adys | we should standardize item disambiguations |
| 11:00.28 | Tekkub | but I think TOCs should be super rare in item pages |
| 11:00.32 | Adys | my idea was [[Itemname]], if disambig = [[Itemname (Itemid)]] |
| 11:00.52 | Adys | that would make it very easy for the tooltip thing to actually check on pagenames on disambigs |
| 11:01.02 | Tekkub | hrm... |
| 11:01.09 | Adys | Instead of if equal pagename itemname then=blah else= |
| 11:01.12 | Tekkub | could work |
| 11:01.32 | Adys | you get if equal pagename itemname then=blah else=if equal pagename itemname (itemid) then=blah else= }}}} |
| 11:01.56 | Tekkub | I'd think just an optional pagename param would be cleaner |
| 11:02.09 | Adys | uh? |
| 11:02.17 | Tekkub | like [[blah]], [[blah|desc]] |
| 11:02.30 | Adys | hm, i dont get it |
| 11:03.03 | Adys | gotta go afk 10 mins, ill think that over and possibly get a vote going in half a hour |
| 11:03.05 | Adys | brb |
| 11:03.05 | Tekkub | don't expect a standard disambig, instead hardcode the pagename into the tempalte |
| 11:03.17 | Tekkub | use pagename, then itemname when testing |
| 11:03.32 | Tekkub | {{{pagename|{{{itemname}}}}}} |
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| 11:05.59 | Tekkub | google |
| 11:06.01 | Tekkub | gah |
| 11:07.26 | Adys | hm |
| 11:07.30 | Adys | i think i see what you mean |
| 11:08.00 | Adys | oooh yeah |
| 11:08.01 | Adys | I got it |
| 11:08.08 | Adys | Optional itemname param |
| 11:08.14 | Adys | use pagename as default |
| 11:08.35 | Adys | hm, not sure if itd work on transcludes tho |
| 11:09.01 | Adys | the transclude works as if equal itemname pagename then smalltooltip |
| 11:09.25 | Adys | that would make it if equal pagename pagename |
| 11:18.15 | Tekkub | no you're confused |
| 11:18.22 | Tekkub | not {{PAGENAME}} |
| 11:18.36 | Tekkub | pagename=some manual input |
| 11:18.59 | Adys | hm |
| 11:19.03 | Tekkub | item name is always passed to a tooltip right? |
| 11:19.32 | Tekkub | if the pae name is different, the person would need to also add |pagename=The real page name |
| 11:40.38 | Bleeter | wtf is this? yer actually doing work on the wiki?! sickos! |
| 11:42.12 | xlvii | uh.. |
| 11:42.38 | xlvii | how would i go about grinding thrallmar reputation? i've done all the quests, no one ever pvps, and i'm like 6000 to revered. |
| 11:43.25 | Tekkub | shattered halls, hero-modes? |
| 11:43.32 | Tekkub | I assume it's the same as honor hold |
| 11:43.44 | xlvii | yeah |
| 11:43.51 | xlvii | 6000 to revered. |
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| 13:53.12 | Tuqui-tuqui | WHAT? |
| 13:53.16 | Tuqui-tuqui | is it children's week already? |
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| 14:15.49 | Adys | good night people |
| 14:16.52 | Hobinheim|afk | night? |
| 14:17.38 | kaso | Adys doesnt sleep normal hours! |
| 14:17.46 | kaso | he's nocturnal |
| 14:44.41 | nemppu | [16:15:51] <Adys> good night people |
| 15:14.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Muahahaha, I just removed a 1/3 of the Class page :) |
| 15:15.11 | Kirkburn|afk | kaso, morning |
| 15:15.17 | kaso | Morning |
| 15:15.18 | Kirkburn|afk | When's your bot gonna be going? :P |
| 15:15.33 | kaso | when i finish playing wow |
| 15:15.45 | kaso | damn lua prevents me using both at once |
| 15:16.22 | Kirkburn|afk | :( |
| 15:19.36 | winkiller | Kirkburn|afk: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Site_icon - good idea? |
| 15:19.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Why is it 32x32? |
| 15:20.00 | winkiller | I read so. |
| 15:20.13 | winkiller | can do 16² also |
| 15:20.59 | Kirkburn|afk | I already made and gave vlad_ one :/ |
| 15:21.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Could pester him again I guess :) |
| 15:24.12 | kaso | I think offically favicons should be .ico formats with 64, 32, and 16 dimentions |
| 15:24.23 | kaso | 128 if you wanna make the macos x people happy |
| 15:24.49 | Kirkburn|afk | And it's not enough just to call it favicon.ico and put in the root apparently |
| 15:28.47 | kaso | well, to meet the standards i think you need to put some stuff in your index, but i know firefox will automatiically check favicon.ico without anything on the site |
| 15:29.20 | Kirkburn|afk | I think it doesn't have a way to check if it's updated though, hence the meta bit |
| 15:30.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Which reminds me, I need to add that line to my websites |
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| 15:34.38 | kaso | that favicon seems a bit wierd when scaled to 1616 for me, perhaps the the icon should be scaled so the W fills the icon and the boarder is paritually cropped |
| 15:37.03 | Kirkburn|afk | I think I even did that for my version :( |
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| 15:40.55 | CrakeHunter | hello, does anyone use linux with "burning crusade"? it tells me i need to install WoW first (which i have done already) |
| 15:41.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Have you checked the Linux article? |
| 15:41.35 | CrakeHunter | no - where can i find it? |
| 15:42.05 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Linux |
| 15:42.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, the sound just went on my PC :/ |
| 15:44.20 | kaso | does TBC require a patched up wow install? |
| 15:44.29 | Kirkburn|afk | \nope |
| 15:44.35 | Kirkburn|afk | *Nope |
| 15:44.40 | kaso | I know mine worked fine and i didnt even install it on linux just copied the files over from my windows part |
| 15:48.11 | kaso | CrakeHunter did you install wow to .wine/drive_c/Program Files/World of Warcraft |
| 15:49.11 | CrakeHunter | right, i just figured out i should use the same installation path :) |
| 15:50.06 | CrakeHunter | thanks guys - looking forward to play either bloodelf or draenas - which do you prefer :) |
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| 16:02.13 | kaso | Chucking the bot on for a bit now kirkburn |
| 16:17.27 | kaso | Very interesting |
| 16:17.40 | kaso | STV quest drops were before Deadmines instance drops |
| 16:20.28 | kaso | thats interesting also |
| 16:20.35 | kaso | after deadmines theres a streak of wands |
| 16:20.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Yarr |
| 16:20.49 | kaso | i wonder if they suddenly though itd be cool to introduce wands at that point |
| 16:21.32 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 16:21.54 | kaso | i find this all very interesting, gives a unique view into the development of wow |
| 16:22.09 | kaso | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/KasoBot is my fav page on the wiki now! |
| 16:22.11 | kaso | hehe |
| 16:22.20 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 16:23.03 | Kirkburn|afk | You're almost at 1000 edits |
| 16:24.26 | kaso | is there some easy way of finding that or do you just count multiples of 500 ? |
| 16:24.46 | Kirkburn|afk | second one |
| 16:25.19 | kaso | Why can't http://www.wowwiki.com/Harpy_Skinner be used as a skinning knife >.< |
| 16:30.55 | kaso | http://www.wowwiki.com/Greasy_Tinker%27s_Pants |
| 16:31.18 | kaso | Are they the pants of a Tinker, that are greasy, or are they the pants of a greasy tinker |
| 16:41.57 | kaso | Kirkburn|afk |
| 16:42.02 | Kirkburn|afk | boo |
| 16:42.35 | kaso | theres about 50 or so edits left on this session and im about to go out, it should be fine leaving it right? |
| 16:42.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Abandonneur :( |
| 16:43.05 | kaso | I have no food in the house :< and i havent eaten for a fair old while |
| 16:43.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Pah, pah I say! :P |
| 16:43.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, sure :) |
| 16:44.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Lol, I never knew! Tauren is an anagram of "nature"! |
| 16:52.48 | kaso | oh shit! it crashed |
| 16:54.35 | kaso | hmm |
| 16:55.56 | kaso | Kirkburn, is there anyway to tell if wowwiki had a blip 1174582226 |
| 16:56.06 | kaso | uh i mean Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:50:26 GMT |
| 16:56.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Had a blip? |
| 16:56.26 | kaso | Where it returns the main page and "wowwiki had a problem" |
| 16:56.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh right |
| 16:56.44 | kaso | i think that's what happened, but if not i might have a bug somewhere in my code >>.<< |
| 16:56.57 | Kirkburn|afk | No (non-bot) page edits occured between 16:46 and 16:52 |
| 16:57.21 | kaso | hmm |
| 16:57.32 | Kirkburn|afk | So it's possible |
| 16:57.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Page edits aren't the only reason for slow down |
| 16:57.53 | kaso | oh? |
| 16:58.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Some pages are a bitch to the wiki |
| 16:58.05 | Kirkburn|afk | We try and identify them |
| 16:58.22 | kaso | Well good, i think i'll work on the assumption that that happened, it would make sense in this code |
| 16:58.49 | kaso | from the error in the code it seems like it tried to retrieve an edit page but got something else instead |
| 16:58.56 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm making a guides navbox atm |
| 16:59.53 | kaso | ah well i'll deal with this later on, time to go shopping! |
| 17:41.49 | kaso | Kirkburn|afk |
| 17:43.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Aye? |
| 17:46.59 | kaso | could you do me a favour and delete some of the crap on my userpage left over from bot testing |
| 17:47.06 | kaso | (this is quicker than {{speedydelete}} |
| 17:47.44 | Kirkburn|afk | The 5 bottest pages? |
| 17:47.51 | kaso | yah |
| 17:48.09 | Kirkburn|afk | And BotTest and BotCats and Test_Templates? |
| 17:48.24 | kaso | Keep Test_Templates |
| 17:48.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Okay |
| 17:48.34 | kaso | User:Kaso/BotTest |
| 17:48.34 | kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.34 | kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.34 | kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.35 | kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.36 | kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.38 | kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.40 | kaso | that crap |
| 17:48.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Waiting for them to load atm :P |
| 17:49.04 | kaso | hah yah im thinking pages like that with tonnes of tooltips on cant be helpful for the server |
| 17:49.06 | Tuqui-tuqui | I blame bot school |
| 17:50.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Gone |
| 17:50.38 | kaso | thanks |
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| 18:05.14 | Kirkburn|afk | kaso, so what's the last highest ID atm? Any idea? |
| 18:05.39 | kaso | The highest in general? |
| 18:05.42 | kaso | around 32000 |
| 18:05.47 | Kirkburn|afk | And we're on 6000 |
| 18:05.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm :P |
| 18:05.54 | kaso | ha yes |
| 18:06.03 | kaso | well there is lots of gaps :> |
| 18:06.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Wait, if there's 32000 IDs ... and we have 26500 pages ... |
| 18:06.24 | Kirkburn|afk | :) |
| 18:06.40 | kaso | i make like 1 page in every 10 IDs or something |
| 18:06.59 | kaso | prob more than that |
| 18:07.10 | Kirkburn|afk | I just hit the big 10,000! |
| 18:09.18 | Gryphen | lahuzer! |
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| 18:45.07 | Tyka|Enigma | hey guys |
| 18:50.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Hullo |
| 18:50.48 | Tyka|Enigma | ah there's a name I recognise :-) |
| 18:51.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Question - have you forgotten your password? |
| 18:51.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Or is Tyka2 fake? |
| 18:51.31 | Tyka|Enigma | Tyka2 is fake |
| 18:51.39 | Tyka|Enigma | it's mudkipz I'm guessing |
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| 18:52.30 | Tyka|Enigma | otherwise known as Shoesfly, a player from Vashj:Europe who has a vendetta against me |
| 18:52.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Blocked and deleted image |
| 18:53.32 | Tyka|Enigma | thank you! |
| 18:53.48 | Kirkburn|afk | np, here's hoping they give up at some point |
| 18:54.01 | Tyka|Enigma | I hope so :-/ |
| 18:54.26 | Tyka|Enigma | I think I found most of the 'edits' they made |
| 18:57.18 | Kirkburn|afk | kaso, I want more bot edits! :( |
| 18:57.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Tyka|Enigma, keep reporting, we'll keep banning :) |
| 18:59.36 | Tyka|Enigma | I will do Kirkburn|afk :-) |
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| 19:01.52 | kaso | Kirkburn|afk, give me a way to pause in lua without an infinte loop |
| 19:02.16 | Kirkburn|afk | umm |
| 19:05.56 | kaso | either that or i can run it without pauses between edits but im not sure thatd be good for the wiki |
| 19:18.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Doesn't seem to be causing problems so far |
| 19:18.34 | kaso | ive been running on 10 second delays |
| 19:18.43 | kaso | thusfar |
| 19:46.31 | Bleeter | I wanna report a Wiki user... reckoned he 'cleaned up' a page.. pfft. 'sif. Bloody bignosing himself, I reckon. User's name is 'Kirkburn' |
| 19:46.37 | Bleeter | :P |
| 19:46.50 | Kirkburn|afk | :O |
| 19:46.58 | Kirkburn|afk | This isn't about [[Class]] is it? :P |
| 19:47.24 | Bleeter | nah, it's about reading emails and changes while still on first coffee of the morning, and being a cheeky bugger ;) :P |
| 19:48.17 | Bleeter | well, there was a slight hope that you'd see the light and ban yerself! haha :-P |
| 19:48.41 | Kirkburn|afk | haha |
| 19:58.21 | Hobinheim|afk | bow chikka bow chikka |
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| 20:02.10 | Kirochi | hi ther |
| 20:02.10 | Kirochi | e |
| 20:30.05 | Tuqui-tuqui | ¡oooW |
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| 20:39.35 | Skyfire | bagginsww, you there? |
| 20:42.14 | Kirkburn|afk | You may be interested to know, all set bonuses tier 6 are now on the wiki |
| 20:42.43 | Tuqui-tuqui | 8O |
| 20:42.44 | Kirochi | yay \o/ |
| 20:42.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | thats my big surprised face |
| 20:43.32 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
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| 20:43.50 | Tuqui-tuqui | hmm... |
| 20:43.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Hey that's weird, why did I type "set bonuses tier 6", and not the other way around? |
| 20:44.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | increases duration of Evocation by 2 secs =\ |
| 20:44.14 | Skyfire | lol |
| 20:44.17 | Skyfire | mages got pwnt |
| 20:44.18 | Mishara | hi, what did I miss? New mage set? :p |
| 20:44.20 | Tuqui-tuqui | increases dmg by bolts by 5% |
| 20:44.26 | Tuqui-tuqui | crappy new mage set |
| 20:44.30 | Tuqui-tuqui | gah... |
| 20:44.30 | Skyfire | ad that's just a slap in the face |
| 20:44.34 | Skyfire | >;/ |
| 20:44.35 | Karrius | +5% damage is huge. +2 seconds... is not. |
| 20:44.44 | Karrius | I'm hoping they change that to a mana gem bonus or something. |
| 20:44.49 | Skyfire | ... |
| 20:44.56 | Tuqui-tuqui | I think my lvl 50 staff adds more damage then that |
| 20:44.56 | Mishara | doesnt sound too useful =/ |
| 20:45.03 | Tuqui-tuqui | its NOT useful at all |
| 20:45.22 | Skyfire | they take away my damage through talents and then give it back with the rediculous requirement of raiding |
| 20:45.25 | Skyfire | sounds good to me! |
| 20:45.31 | Mishara | of course! |
| 20:45.37 | Mishara | dont raid? die! |
| 20:45.37 | Skyfire | -_- |
| 20:45.40 | Skyfire | truth |
| 20:45.47 | Mishara | gg blizz |
| 20:45.53 | Tuqui-tuqui | anyone have a pic of what it looks like? |
| 20:46.03 | Tuqui-tuqui | is that the one that looks like a red raincoat? |
| 20:46.06 | Karrius | There's no info but the set bonuses yet, as far as I can tell |
| 20:46.14 | Tuqui-tuqui | while everyone else got awesome helms? |
| 20:46.14 | Mishara | ... what do rogues get...? |
| 20:46.18 | Karrius | Er... that's tier 5, isn't it? The one that'ss upposed to resemble Medivh's stuff. |
| 20:46.18 | Mishara | or.. do I want to know, |
| 20:46.28 | Tuqui-tuqui | oh >.> |
| 20:46.34 | Kirochi | hey |
| 20:46.42 | Karrius | NNot the stats, mind you. |
| 20:46.42 | Tuqui-tuqui | meh |
| 20:46.43 | Skyfire | yah, red rain-coat=t5 |
| 20:46.43 | Karrius | The look. |
| 20:46.53 | Kirochi | Medivh's as much a Mage as a Warlock |
| 20:46.54 | Tuqui-tuqui | I dont like it at all |
| 20:47.01 | Tuqui-tuqui | priests and warlocks get looking glowing eyes |
| 20:47.05 | Mishara | oh, its T5? >_> |
| 20:47.16 | Mishara | didnt realise, thought its gonna be a new set or something |
| 20:47.25 | Tuqui-tuqui | mages get dyed raincoat that will fade away on first laundry wash |
| 20:47.36 | Mishara | check out rogue t4 and t5... looks, that is |
| 20:47.36 | Mishara | geez. |
| 20:47.44 | Tuqui-tuqui | looks badass right? |
| 20:47.54 | Tuqui-tuqui | doesnt anyone play a mage in Blizzard? :p |
| 20:47.55 | Karrius | Mishara- These bonuses we're talking about are tier 6 |
| 20:48.00 | Karrius | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/03/21/tier-6-names-and-bonuses/ |
| 20:48.09 | Mishara | someone just said its t5 *puzzled* |
| 20:48.09 | Skyfire | tekkub... |
| 20:48.14 | Tekkub | no |
| 20:48.17 | Karrius | The red raincoat is the LOOK of t5 |
| 20:48.24 | Karrius | The evocation and damage bonus is the BONUS of t6 |
| 20:48.30 | Tuqui-tuqui | I know :D |
| 20:48.32 | Skyfire | i think he was noting the fact that tb and wowhead are different factions numbers.. |
| 20:48.35 | Skyfire | :x |
| 20:48.36 | Tuqui-tuqui | we were just making fun of T5 |
| 20:48.43 | Tuqui-tuqui | but even so, meh... |
| 20:48.49 | Karrius | Rogue t6 bonuses are +5% haste with slice and dice, and +6% damage on backstab, sinister strike, and mutilate |
| 20:49.07 | Kirochi | I have a question |
| 20:49.11 | Mishara | *looks at shadowpriest t6 set bonuses* |
| 20:49.13 | Mishara | *tears out his eyes* |
| 20:49.21 | Tekkub | not on elinks faction |
| 20:49.28 | Karrius | Just reading it melts your face. |
| 20:49.30 | Kirochi | can members of the Alliance earn rep with Tranquillien ? |
| 20:49.48 | Skyfire | you sure tekkub? you follow the wowhead link, and 1 doesn't exist. follow the tb link... |
| 20:50.05 | Tekkub | the template is only using {{{1}}} |
| 20:50.10 | Karrius | Kirochi - Ithink the alliance have their own little rep place |
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| 20:50.27 | Kirochi | Karrius whaddya mean ? |
| 20:50.40 | Karrius | I mean, I think they have a reputation place that's similiar, don't they? |
| 20:50.42 | Tekkub | http://www.wowhead.com/?faction=932 |
| 20:50.43 | Tekkub | http://www.thottbot.com/?fa=932 |
| 20:51.01 | Skyfire | point taken |
| 20:51.01 | Mishara | ... ... i looked at the sets. pardon me but i dont think the mage one is the only sucky one >_< |
| 20:51.03 | Skyfire | conceded* |
| 20:51.13 | Mishara | actually if its only the set bonus, its more like 1/2, or 4/6 of them suck |
| 20:51.23 | Kirochi | the only other rep point that seems to match |
| 20:51.34 | Kirochi | is the wintersabers trainers faction |
| 20:51.42 | Kirochi | not symetric at all |
| 20:51.46 | Tuqui-tuqui | We have to wait to see what the total bonus is |
| 20:51.55 | Tuqui-tuqui | but stil... +5% dmg >.> |
| 20:52.02 | Tuqui-tuqui | arcane talent gave that a while ago |
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| 20:52.25 | Mishara | warlock, malefic raiment, 4/5: warlocks are now wannabe shadowpriests? |
| 20:52.32 | Mishara | *2/5 |
| 20:52.46 | Karrius | Warlock, 4/5: You can now solo raids alone |
| 20:53.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | lol |
| 20:53.08 | Mishara | kek |
| 20:53.19 | Mishara | warrior, 4/5, fury |
| 20:53.23 | Mishara | fury/arms |
| 20:53.29 | Mishara | "+5% bloodthirst / MS" |
| 20:53.30 | Mishara | ... ? |
| 20:53.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Oddly, no-one complained that the Malefix Raiment page was complete crap |
| 20:53.58 | Tuqui-tuqui | the Malefix Raiment page is complete crap |
| 20:54.00 | Tuqui-tuqui | please fix |
| 20:54.02 | Tuqui-tuqui | :) |
| 20:54.06 | Kirkburn|afk | It appeared to be the Tier 5 page with changes names |
| 20:54.24 | Kirkburn|afk | wtb spellchecker |
| 20:54.38 | Karrius | My main problem is that they all seem kinda... uninspired. |
| 20:54.46 | Karrius | I mean, the t3 set bonuses were -new- |
| 20:54.59 | Karrius | These... not so much |
| 20:55.06 | Mishara | y'got a point there |
| 20:55.46 | Kirochi | you mean |
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| 20:55.50 | Karrius | (I also wish mages got multiple sets, but that's another thing) |
| 20:55.57 | Mishara | (/agree) |
| 20:56.01 | Kirochi | you'd like a +5 Überroxxor4ge ? |
| 20:56.15 | Karrius | ...huh? |
| 20:56.33 | Mishara | ... you people seen hunter t5? |
| 20:56.34 | Kirochi | this'd be a new bonus |
| 20:56.44 | Mishara | i mean, looks |
| 20:58.23 | Karrius | I'd be nice if everyone got three sets. I don't know much about fire spec, but I know frost spec gets more bonus from +crit and things like the trinket that proc on resisted spells, arcane spec gets more of a bonus from +damage and just plain does not need much +pen and +hit, |
| 20:58.57 | Skyfire | uh... how does frost get more bonus from +crit then fire? |
| 20:59.09 | Karrius | I more meant in comparison to arcane. |
| 20:59.23 | Skyfire | i hope so... |
| 20:59.30 | Karrius | I know fire has ignite |
| 20:59.43 | Karrius | And the watchacallit MP regen. |
| 20:59.47 | MooMooFarm | Ok so now I am confused, what is the Mage's Invisiblity spell for? if not escape/pouncing on enemies? |
| 20:59.57 | Mishara | looks cool |
| 21:00.01 | Mishara | but i dont get it either |
| 21:00.05 | Karrius | Moo- Aggro reduction, running past mobs |
| 21:00.10 | Kirochi | blink+invisibility= ? |
| 21:00.16 | MooMooFarm | I see |
| 21:00.18 | Skyfire | not so useful for running past mobs, but it is possible |
| 21:00.19 | MooMooFarm | so in instances? |
| 21:00.21 | Karrius | I've also used it for running away. |
| 21:00.23 | Mishara | thats metaphysics, Kirochi =P |
| 21:00.29 | Karrius | Frost Nova + Invisibility |
| 21:00.31 | Mishara | beyond our consideration |
| 21:00.35 | MooMooFarm | do you deaggro when you go compleley invis? |
| 21:00.38 | Karrius | Yes |
| 21:00.40 | Skyfire | yes |
| 21:00.42 | MooMooFarm | oh very nice |
| 21:00.43 | Skyfire | 100% aggro loss |
| 21:00.45 | Mishara | mage vanish? O_O |
| 21:00.48 | MooMooFarm | can you be stopped from invis? |
| 21:00.48 | Skyfire | no |
| 21:00.51 | Skyfire | yes |
| 21:00.51 | Mishara | should've rolled a mage.. |
| 21:00.53 | Skyfire | damage |
| 21:00.55 | Karrius | If you're hit, it's instantly canceled. |
| 21:00.57 | Skyfire | just about anything breaks invis |
| 21:00.59 | Skyfire | :/ |
| 21:01.04 | Karrius | Just about? |
| 21:01.09 | MooMooFarm | well cool, i cant wait heh, im 64 |
| 21:01.10 | Karrius | Breathing too hard breaths invis |
| 21:01.16 | Skyfire | truth |
| 21:01.17 | MooMooFarm | lol |
| 21:01.19 | Mishara | xD |
| 21:01.25 | MooMooFarm | well frost nova + invis wold world |
| 21:01.26 | Karrius | "Oh crap I farted the ogre sees me" |
| 21:01.27 | MooMooFarm | work |
| 21:01.35 | MooMooFarm | invis fades over 6 sec right? |
| 21:01.40 | Karrius | 5 |
| 21:01.45 | MooMooFarm | and frost nova on a good day is up to 8 sec |
| 21:01.47 | MooMooFarm | oh good |
| 21:01.48 | Kirochi | and how does the pet work ? |
| 21:01.51 | Karrius | We've got a lot of mages in here, don't we? :p |
| 21:01.55 | MooMooFarm | lol |
| 21:02.00 | MooMooFarm | mages ftw |
| 21:02.05 | Kirochi | I'm a level 18 mage |
| 21:02.08 | Mishara | yea, lots of mages... *23 mage* xD |
| 21:02.11 | Kirochi | which is my main at the time |
| 21:02.14 | Karrius | Kir, you mean water elemental? |
| 21:02.14 | MooMooFarm | 64 mage, 70 druid |
| 21:02.15 | Skyfire | 60 :] |
| 21:02.16 | MooMooFarm | here |
| 21:02.18 | Skyfire | mage* |
| 21:02.19 | Kirochi | kar yea |
| 21:02.37 | Karrius | It largely works by you screaming obsenities at it while jamming kyes and doing nothing. |
| 21:02.43 | Skyfire | LO>L |
| 21:02.51 | MooMooFarm | and a 20 hunter who can take hte lvl 19 elite ogres by himself in Loch Modan... hunters are cool |
| 21:03.04 | Karrius | It's hard to control right, because you can't change its hotkeys (at least not that I know), and if you try to hit both abilities at once sometimes you'll both stand around and do nothing. |
| 21:03.07 | MooMooFarm | karrius, lol |
| 21:03.12 | Kirochi | :p |
| 21:03.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Tekkub, you were just /asking/ for that reply on the Village pump |
| 21:03.16 | Karrius | If you DO control it right, however, you can easily solo elites. |
| 21:03.29 | Karrius | You guys know I'm right, right? :p |
| 21:03.32 | MooMooFarm | Karrius, with a water elemental? |
| 21:03.43 | Mishara | Water elemental? Heretic. FIRAH! |
| 21:03.46 | Kirochi | so, fire, earth and water elems |
| 21:03.51 | Skyfire | lern2fire imo |
| 21:03.53 | Skyfire | db ftw! |
| 21:03.54 | Kirochi | where the heck are the air elemes ? |
| 21:03.55 | Karrius | Well, I should say "Elites that aren't immune to slow". You can still kite slow guys, it's just... hard. |
| 21:04.02 | Karrius | immune to slow guys* |
| 21:04.03 | Mishara | Karrius |
| 21:04.05 | Mishara | One word |
| 21:04.07 | MooMooFarm | so wait a sec, if i reroll frost, I can kill elites? neato |
| 21:04.07 | Mishara | Faxmonkey |
| 21:04.08 | Mishara | xD |
| 21:04.15 | Skyfire | you can kill elites as fire too... |
| 21:04.17 | Skyfire | >_> |
| 21:04.19 | Kirochi | where the heck are the air elemes ? |
| 21:04.20 | MooMooFarm | heh |
| 21:04.22 | Skyfire | it's just a lot harder |
| 21:04.22 | Karrius | I don't have enough skill. :p |
| 21:04.23 | MooMooFarm | outdps them |
| 21:04.26 | Kirochi | seems to lack |
| 21:04.27 | Skyfire | pretty much |
| 21:04.35 | Karrius | Moo, I highly reccommend frost for soloing. |
| 21:04.37 | Mishara | blink fireblast blink fireblast - basically thats it :P |
| 21:04.43 | Skyfire | lern2use your FN correctly, as well as lvl1 Frostbolt :] |
| 21:04.45 | Karrius | Although I'll probablly be shouted down by fire people. |
| 21:04.55 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 21:05.02 | Skyfire | yeah, it's always a good idea to test both fire and frost out |
| 21:05.10 | Kirochi | I love air elems :'( |
| 21:05.11 | Tekkub | I like the rocks better than the balls |
| 21:05.12 | Skyfire | you learn more about how much your mage can handle :) |
| 21:05.22 | Tekkub | there's something more sinister about throwing arock |
| 21:05.23 | MooMooFarm | Karrius, I was hardcore Frost to lvl 60, then went fire b/c of mad dps |
| 21:05.29 | MooMooFarm | but was always thinking of going back |
| 21:05.29 | Tekkub | sepecially if their back is to you |
| 21:06.06 | Kirochi | Mishara down \o/ |
| 21:06.12 | Karrius | Ok, so, mechanics quest for all these mages here. |
| 21:06.22 | Karrius | question*. I'm doing great today... |
| 21:06.33 | Kirochi | questlol.²²²² |
| 21:06.43 | MooMooFarm | what mechanics quest? |
| 21:06.49 | Karrius | Many procs are "on spell hit" . Does each burst of Arcane Missile count as a spell hit? What about, say, Blizzard? |
| 21:07.03 | MooMooFarm | I would say so |
| 21:07.23 | MooMooFarm | thats why they ususally also have a "This effect can only occur every 10 sec" or something like that |
| 21:07.57 | Karrius | I haven't gotten my hands on any items to test it, and I was wondering. |
| 21:08.05 | Skyfire | hmmm |
| 21:08.32 | Skyfire | yes karrius, to both |
| 21:08.38 | Skyfire | :] |
| 21:08.57 | Skyfire | blizzard can proc frostbite on any of its waves. |
| 21:09.03 | Skyfire | that much i remember ^^ |
| 21:09.06 | Karrius | Yeah, frostbite I've seen. |
| 21:09.31 | Karrius | But that's on chill effect, not spell hit, technically. :p |
| 21:11.15 | Tuqui-tuqui | bah |
| 21:11.28 | Tuqui-tuqui | bring back FN before patch and fix ice lance! |
| 21:11.35 | Skyfire | huh |
| 21:11.41 | Skyfire | you know it shouldn't have happened anyway |
| 21:11.42 | Skyfire | :/ |
| 21:11.45 | Skyfire | 4 crits = imba |
| 21:12.03 | Tuqui-tuqui | well you know why people complained |
| 21:12.04 | Tuqui-tuqui | PvP |
| 21:12.08 | Skyfire | duh |
| 21:12.14 | Tuqui-tuqui | and it messed up PvE and raiding |
| 21:12.21 | Skyfire | yar |
| 21:12.37 | Skyfire | in anycase, does anyone think that http://www.wowwiki.com/Warlord_Kalithresh still deserves a stub? |
| 21:14.30 | Bleeter | Karrius: as far as I'm aware, each burst of AM is a spell hit, hence quite a number of mages are pissed that they rarely, if ever, do the number of shots that the tooltip says it should (can't recall, think it's meant to be 5 but rarely does more than 4, sometimes only 3) |
| 21:14.38 | Kirochi | Skyfire |
| 21:14.39 | Kirochi | lol |
| 21:14.42 | Kirochi | not at all |
| 21:14.42 | Bleeter | although I haven't looked at that again in the past few patches |
| 21:14.52 | Karrius | t's meant to be 5. |
| 21:15.12 | Skyfire | yup |
| 21:15.13 | Tuqui-tuqui | Bleeter, are yo ua mage? |
| 21:15.15 | Bleeter | I suspect it's an unsolvable latency problem |
| 21:15.17 | Tuqui-tuqui | you a* |
| 21:15.24 | Skyfire | blizzard has commented on it |
| 21:15.25 | Bleeter | Tuqui-tuqui: one of me is |
| 21:15.41 | Tuqui-tuqui | have you put any points into arcane concentration? |
| 21:15.41 | Skyfire | says it's much the same problem that blink has with the whole issue of blinking backwards, nowhere, etc. |
| 21:15.45 | Skyfire | location " |
| 21:15.48 | Skyfire | O_O |
| 21:15.51 | Skyfire | fuck dude |
| 21:15.53 | Skyfire | lol |
| 21:15.54 | Tuqui-tuqui | I think thats suppose to fix interruptions, wasnt it? |
| 21:16.00 | Karrius | It seems to be working fine for me now.... |
| 21:16.03 | Skyfire | 5/5 arc concentration = clearcasting |
| 21:16.05 | Skyfire | -_- |
| 21:16.06 | Tuqui-tuqui | oh |
| 21:16.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | lol |
| 21:16.16 | Skyfire | 2% per poit |
| 21:16.16 | Tuqui-tuqui | dont have the tree in front of me :p |
| 21:16.31 | Karrius | Tuqui- Improved Arcane Missiles |
| 21:16.36 | Tuqui-tuqui | there we go! :D |
| 21:16.55 | Tuqui-tuqui | >.> |
| 21:16.59 | Tuqui-tuqui | I blame the schools |
| 21:17.50 | Karrius | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.08 | Skyfire | yup. |
| 21:18.11 | Skyfire | well, no |
| 21:18.15 | Skyfire | AM is weaksauce for pve |
| 21:18.15 | Tuqui-tuqui | I PvP and full frosty :D |
| 21:18.18 | Skyfire | >_> |
| 21:18.20 | Tuqui-tuqui | I PvP in BGs though |
| 21:18.33 | Tuqui-tuqui | im in a carebear server :D |
| 21:18.38 | Tuqui-tuqui | I like to quest in peace |
| 21:19.28 | Skyfire | lern2pvpimo |
| 21:19.36 | Skyfire | pvp during quest time is the funnest? |
| 21:19.41 | Skyfire | .* :) |
| 21:20.16 | Bleeter | Tuqui-tuqui: erm, dunno.. ain't played for a while.... |
| 21:20.42 | Kirochi | aw |
| 21:20.44 | Kirochi | tired |
| 21:20.47 | Kirochi | bybye |
| 21:21.18 | *** part/#wowwiki Kirochi (i=Kirochi@84.6.165.204) |
| 21:21.26 | Skyfire | http://www.wowhiki.com |
| 21:22.21 | Bleeter | yup, I gots Arcane Concentration. |
| 21:22.33 | Skyfire | ihopesyoudoes |
| 21:23.13 | Tuqui-tuqui | Skyfire lern2pvpimo |
| 21:23.14 | Tuqui-tuqui | Skyfire pvp during quest time is the funnest? |
| 21:23.16 | Tuqui-tuqui | nevah! |
| 21:23.20 | Bleeter | I'm *so* hoping I get this job in Cali... I'll be able to PvP without a 400ms ping |
| 21:23.28 | Tuqui-tuqui | :o |
| 21:23.28 | Karrius | ... |
| 21:23.30 | Karrius | You've got a problem. |
| 21:23.53 | Karrion | Bleeter: yeah... but you'll have to live in america... |
| 21:24.17 | Skyfire | LOL |
| 21:24.19 | Bleeter | Karrion: heh, true.. least it'll be at a company where a friend of mine is already working.. if it works out and I get the position :) |
| 21:24.46 | Karrion | cool... good luck ;-) |
| 21:25.07 | Bleeter | thx mate :) |
| 21:29.09 | winkiller | how long do you need for Attumen? |
| 21:34.55 | Skyfire | KIRKBURN |
| 21:34.59 | Skyfire | god, that's just... |
| 21:35.00 | Skyfire | man |
| 21:35.01 | Skyfire | why |
| 21:35.04 | Skyfire | did you do that? |
| 21:35.14 | Skyfire | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Heavy_Leather_Ball...why.3F xD |
| 21:35.55 | Skyfire | you can definitely tell we're not wikipedia when we have admins that say things like that ;P |
| 21:36.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Tek started it :( |
| 21:36.55 | Skyfire | you didn't have to continue it though! |
| 21:39.14 | Skyfire | is Tinker the same person as Tinkerer? |
| 21:44.49 | Skyfire | huh... |
| 21:48.38 | nemppu | someone should link the blastball there |
| 21:48.43 | nemppu | RP leather ball game |
| 21:48.51 | nemppu | with proper rules and all |
| 21:50.58 | Skyfire | kirkburn, why didn't you just remove the speculation...? |
| 21:51.03 | Skyfire | >_> |
| 21:52.26 | Skyfire | btw, we really need a {{speculation-section}} :/ |
| 22:01.33 | Skyfire | uh... first i've heard of the term "Caster stats"... http://www.wowwiki.com/Caster_stats |
| 22:02.30 | Skyfire | in that context anyway |
| 22:10.31 | Skyfire | man, you really have to ask yourself how tek and kirk got to be admins ;P |
| 22:11.24 | Tekkub | why do you have to ask, it's obvious |
| 22:11.40 | Tekkub | I'll even give you a free 5min sample |
| 22:11.44 | kaso | Skyfire caster stats is mostly a hunter term |
| 22:12.02 | kaso | i think most hunters would (should) know i |
| 22:12.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Skyfire, I made Tekkub an admin :P |
| 22:12.02 | kaso | it |
| 22:12.08 | Skyfire | i think i;ll pass on that tekkub |
| 22:12.14 | Kirkburn|afk | And I became an admin because I complained a lot =) |
| 22:12.30 | Skyfire | i've always heard "Caster stats" when referring to int, mp5, and spldmg in general |
| 22:12.38 | Skyfire | not... hunter pets |
| 22:12.39 | Tekkub | I complain a lot and it just makes the root admins hate me and not do what I want |
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| 22:12.44 | Tekkub | huh VLAD |
| 22:12.51 | Skyfire | oh boy |
| 22:13.55 | Tekkub | don't worry, been up 17hrnow, sleep will happen shortly after food |
| 22:14.33 | kaso | Kirkburn|afk, finished playing wow now, just dinged 66 so, KasoBot time |
| 22:14.36 | Skyfire | i think kaso's gonna fire his bot up |
| 22:14.38 | Skyfire | lol |
| 22:14.50 | kaso | Ha, you RC spammer! |
| 22:14.53 | Skyfire | ;P |
| 22:15.13 | Skyfire | F5... 5 seconds later... F5... 5 seconds later... F5... ad infinitum |
| 22:15.18 | Kirkburn|afk | kaso, woo |
| 22:16.02 | Skyfire | kirkburn, can you add me to the rc patrol and rc/skip? :x |
| 22:18.39 | Skyfire | goddangit |
| 22:18.52 | Skyfire | no quiero hacerla |
| 22:19.00 | Skyfire | hacerle? |
| 22:19.03 | Skyfire | hacerle... : |
| 22:19.05 | Skyfire | :x* |
| 22:26.45 | Skyfire | how do you make text a certain color? <span="style:red">? |
| 22:27.09 | Kirkburn|afk | <span style="color:#whatever">Blah</span> |
| 22:27.19 | Kirkburn|afk | #xxxxxx for a hex code, even |
| 22:27.34 | Kirkburn|afk | If you just want to use boring old red, it's color:red |
| 22:27.47 | Skyfire | good |
| 22:27.51 | Skyfire | cause i want to use boring old red |
| 22:27.53 | Skyfire | :] |
| 22:28.41 | Skyfire | oooooo, all the little red exclamation points! |
| 22:28.44 | Skyfire | hehe |
| 22:28.46 | Tekkub | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7ItgczOQhg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Egoogle%2Ecom%2Freader%2Fview%2F |
| 22:32.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Tek, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzrpc8xdZ6g&mode=related&search= |
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| 22:36.06 | kaso | That cat is clever! it releases the screen is preventing him from getting to it and tries to go around the back |
| 22:37.07 | Skyfire | grr |
| 22:37.24 | Skyfire | did my internet break, or did the wiki break? |
| 22:37.36 | Skyfire | im guessing the former... |
| 22:37.41 | Tekkub | your wikinet intered |
| 22:37.41 | kaso | Latter i think |
| 22:38.00 | Skyfire | who r borking it? |
| 22:38.33 | kaso | Not the bot defiantly not the bot, *cough* *cough* |
| 22:38.43 | Skyfire | what did the bot do... |
| 22:39.40 | Kirkburn|afk | <nowiki> :( |
| 22:40.13 | Skyfire | truth |
| 22:40.24 | Skyfire | what did you do kaso?... |
| 22:40.43 | kaso | nothing i dont think |
| 22:40.59 | Skyfire | then y r the wiki borken:? |
| 22:41.06 | kaso | i think its unconnected |
| 22:41.31 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus or vlad_ - either of you around? |
| 22:41.34 | kaso | It made a page, 10seconds later i attemped to access the another page, got a time out and quit. |
| 22:42.09 | Skyfire | it r conected again |
| 22:42.31 | kaso | yah seems to be back |
| 22:42.40 | kaso | just slow |
| 22:43.20 | Kirkburn|afk | I don't see a problem on the RC list |
| 22:43.26 | kaso | Wait, have i been made a RC patroler? |
| 22:43.29 | Skyfire | yes |
| 22:43.36 | Skyfire | it was kirk's fault, i swear! |
| 22:43.38 | kaso | How come noone told me that! |
| 22:43.40 | Kirkburn|afk | kaso, slow it to one every 20 secs maybe? |
| 22:43.46 | kaso | will do |
| 22:44.04 | Skyfire | he just did it... |
| 22:44.06 | kaso | I was looking at RC and was like "What the hell are all these red!" |
| 22:44.06 | Skyfire | >_> |
| 22:44.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Everyone who is a patroller (including bots) please tick the "mark my edits as patrolled" box |
| 22:44.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Second to last option on Prefs->Editing |
| 22:44.43 | kaso | Do i need to do that on KasoBot? |
| 22:44.49 | Kirkburn|afk | So, of those here, that's kaso, Skyfire, Tekkub, Bagginsww, Hobinheim|afk |
| 22:44.59 | Tekkub | has been long time |
| 22:45.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Good good :) |
| 22:45.08 | Skyfire | done |
| 22:45.09 | Kirkburn|afk | kaso, yes, bots too please |
| 22:45.30 | kaso | How come the Prefs page's background is bright white making the text unreadable anyway |
| 22:45.57 | Kirkburn|afk | CSS ftw |
| 22:45.57 | Tekkub | kirky, zeal's gone :P |
| 22:46.05 | Kirkburn|afk | In case he returns? |
| 22:46.15 | Kirkburn|afk | He may get withdrawal symptoms ;) |
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| 22:46.32 | Tekkub | hrm.... in my mind ya abandon something, you don't come back with elevated rights... |
| 22:46.35 | Tekkub | *shrug* |
| 22:47.11 | Skyfire | elevated rights?... |
| 22:47.16 | kaso | So Kirkburn|afk why is the CSS fucking up on the preferences page for me? |
| 22:47.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh hardly elevated rights |
| 22:47.24 | Thrae | Beware those with elevated tights... |
| 22:47.35 | Skyfire | lol |
| 22:47.38 | Tekkub | "special in the head" then :P |
| 22:47.42 | Kirkburn|afk | The only difference is that you have the ability to mark edits as patrolled - i.e. not with the red ! |
| 22:47.51 | Tekkub | yes I know |
| 22:47.57 | Tekkub | and I ignore the ! anyway |
| 22:48.09 | Tekkub | I know if it's not something I edited it can't be trusted |
| 22:48.10 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 22:48.15 | Skyfire | LOL |
| 22:48.48 | kaso | Is the marking edits as patroled done on the backend? i dont have to alter my bot to send some extra data to the server do i >.< |
| 22:49.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Nope |
| 22:49.15 | Tekkub | your bot just needs to be a patroller and have that ticked |
| 22:49.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Once the thing is ticked, every edit the bot makes is patrolled |
| 22:49.25 | kaso | cool |
| 22:49.32 | Skyfire | i think it might be a good idea for you to turn your bot off.. |
| 22:49.36 | kaso | it is odd |
| 22:49.37 | kaso | off |
| 22:49.37 | Skyfire | the wiki is still dying ;( |
| 22:49.59 | kaso | im gonna get some dinner then hopefully wiki will be alive again when i get back |
| 22:51.47 | Skyfire | might wanna leave a note on those ppl's talk pages kirk that aren't on to check that box |
| 22:52.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Why am I not seeing /any/ edits in the last 15 mins? |
| 22:53.00 | Skyfire | try hard-refreshing or clearing your cache |
| 22:53.09 | kaso | i arent seeing any either |
| 22:53.27 | Tekkub | because you didn't set your clock for shitty DLST? |
| 22:53.30 | kaso | last edit i see is the last one my bot did before server died |
| 22:53.49 | Tekkub | so it's your fault |
| 22:54.09 | Kirkburn|afk | No seriously, no edits are showing |
| 22:54.24 | Skyfire | ok, u are right |
| 22:55.04 | Skyfire | the wiki died |
| 22:55.06 | Skyfire | lol |
| 22:55.07 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus or vlad_ major problem! |
| 22:55.13 | sancus | ? |
| 22:55.20 | Kirkburn|afk | The RC list seems to have broken |
| 22:55.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Hasn't updated for 20 mins |
| 22:55.46 | Skyfire | i blame kirkburn and kaso |
| 22:55.48 | Skyfire | ;P |
| 22:55.58 | Skyfire | your spam + his spam = super spam! |
| 22:56.08 | Tekkub | I blame kirk, he has head cooties |
| 22:56.19 | sancus | ok... |
| 22:56.36 | Kirkburn|afk | I hate you, Tekkub :) |
| 22:56.39 | Tekkub | aye, I just made an edit it's not showing on the list |
| 22:56.45 | Tekkub | clad? |
| 22:56.53 | Tekkub | when did you become kirk? |
| 22:57.13 | Kirkburn|afk | All this time, I've been deceiving you, muahahahaha |
| 22:57.27 | Tekkub | *pokes sancus with the CSS stick* |
| 22:57.30 | sancus | well I can't really do anything atm |
| 22:57.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Not even a restart? |
| 22:57.42 | sancus | I can restart it |
| 22:57.50 | sancus | not sure that that will accomplish anything |
| 22:57.51 | sancus | but sure |
| 22:57.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Best to try at least |
| 22:59.17 | sancus | restarted |
| 22:59.48 | Skyfire | its still broken to me |
| 22:59.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, broken |
| 22:59.55 | Skyfire | ill try clearing cache and stuff |
| 23:00.51 | Skyfire | nope, still borken for me as well |
| 23:01.14 | Adys | wowwow, activity |
| 23:01.20 | Skyfire | lol |
| 23:01.27 | winkiller | me wants favicon :P |
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| 23:01.29 | Skyfire | im guessing it unbroke |
| 23:01.35 | Tekkub | http://www.winbeta.org/comments.php?shownews=6605 |
| 23:01.40 | Skyfire | nope |
| 23:01.51 | Tekkub | yes, and I "accidentally" download porn |
| 23:02.20 | Hobinheim|afk | wait so what's this about patrolled edits |
| 23:02.26 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, well, anything you can do (like poke vlad? :P) we'd appreciate. Kinda schtuck without the RC :( /me kicks the wiki |
| 23:02.48 | Kirkburn|afk | See the red ! next to stuff on the RC list? |
| 23:03.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Patrollers mark edits as patrolled and get rid of them |
| 23:03.08 | Hobinheim|afk | yeah |
| 23:04.04 | Hobinheim|afk | wait so is something missing that normally hides those? |
| 23:04.04 | Hobinheim|afk | btw are only patrollers allowed to flag edits? |
| 23:04.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Aye |
| 23:04.22 | Skyfire | its working again |
| 23:04.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Tick the "Mark own edits as patrolled" option in Prefs-Editing |
| 23:04.25 | Skyfire | rc* |
| 23:04.29 | Bagginsww | Yes I'm probably going to be afk today, lots of stuff going on LOL |
| 23:04.31 | sancus | I see new stuff on the RC list now |
| 23:04.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Praise the lord! |
| 23:04.44 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, did you do something? |
| 23:05.01 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.05 | sancus | not really |
| 23:05.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Half an hour of missed edits, but we can cope. Weird thing. |
| 23:05.15 | sancus | I poked at the recentchanges table a bit, but nothing that should have fixed any problems |
| 23:05.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah well, thanks anyway :) |
| 23:05.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Let's just hope no vandal happened to appear in that time |
| 23:05.39 | sancus | its probably possible to find those and add them in |
| 23:05.45 | sancus | but not really worth the time |
| 23:05.49 | Kirkburn|afk | nah |
| 23:05.51 | Adys | dont bother |
| 23:06.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, I have an idea for some future navboxes |
| 23:06.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Some for NPCs, like WC3 chars |
| 23:06.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Alliance leaders |
| 23:06.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Stuff liek that |
| 23:06.41 | Hobinheim|afk | what wasn't working? |
| 23:06.46 | Kirkburn|afk | The RC list |
| 23:06.50 | Adys | "It was a normal maintenance check for a computer tech at the Alaska Department of Revenue until he mistakenly wiped out application information for a $38 billion oil account, and then accidentally reformatted the backup drive. To add insult to injury, the backup tapes also ended up unreadable." |
| 23:06.52 | Adys | lol tekkub |
| 23:06.57 | Skyfire | indeed |
| 23:06.57 | Hobinheim|afk | the special one or the normal one? |
| 23:07.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Hobinheim|afk, notice how there are no edits for half an hour |
| 23:07.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Normal |
| 23:07.10 | Tekkub | yup, like I said, I accidentally download porn |
| 23:07.11 | Hobinheim|afk | no =( |
| 23:07.15 | Hobinheim|afk | lolyeah i see now |
| 23:07.17 | Hobinheim|afk | i guess |
| 23:08.33 | Hobinheim|afk | dammit |
| 23:08.37 | Hobinheim|afk | i got kicked out of the vipers AGAIN |
| 23:08.39 | Hobinheim|afk | oh well |
| 23:08.56 | Hobinheim|afk | lol wrong char |
| 23:09.10 | Hobinheim|afk | i'm like why don't i have aspect of the cheetah. paladins don't like animals! |
| 23:10.37 | Adys | Bubble up |
| 23:10.41 | Adys | Aspect of the Cheeter |
| 23:10.46 | Adys | .... sorry |
| 23:10.52 | Skyfire | how the hell do you mark something as patrolled? |
| 23:10.58 | Adys | diff link |
| 23:11.08 | Adys | and for new pages, link at the bottom |
| 23:11.09 | Skyfire | ah |
| 23:12.33 | Hobinheim|afk | haha |
| 23:12.51 | Skyfire | bagginsww |
| 23:14.14 | Hobinheim|afk | man feeding pets is such a drag |
| 23:14.19 | Hobinheim|afk | demons you don't have to feed shit... =( |
| 23:15.50 | Bagginsww | ya skyfire? |
| 23:16.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Bagginsww, mark the patrolled edits box pleeease |
| 23:16.36 | Skyfire | preferences -> editing -> check the 2nd to last box that says "Mark edits by self as patrolled" |
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| 23:16.45 | Bagginsww | ok |
| 23:16.53 | Skyfire | hehe |
| 23:17.04 | Skyfire | btw kirk, all those edits did go through, I think |
| 23:17.08 | Skyfire | rc just didn't record them |
| 23:18.03 | Skyfire | yeah, they did go through. |
| 23:18.09 | Kirkburn|afk | aye |
| 23:18.14 | Skyfire | i edited my sig during the whole thing |
| 23:21.04 | Skyfire | i might just get started on wc3 main characters... ;P |
| 23:21.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Ta |
| 23:21.35 | Skyfire | question though; would arthas be categorized as undead or human? |
| 23:21.37 | Skyfire | lol |
| 23:21.48 | Skyfire | or sylvannus, for that matter |
| 23:22.20 | Hobinheim|afk | undead |
| 23:22.31 | Hobinheim|afk | cuz he's a death kngith |
| 23:22.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, do it by current status |
| 23:23.06 | Skyfire | mk |
| 23:28.10 | Skyfire | kirk, would you call them "Warcraft III Heroes" or "Warcraft III Main Characters"? Or something else? |
| 23:28.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Main Chars, probably |
| 23:28.39 | Skyfire | what I thought |
| 23:28.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Heroes is too restrictive |
| 23:28.54 | Skyfire | yar |
| 23:29.24 | Skyfire | Template:WarIIIMainChars woork for you? |
| 23:30.19 | Kirkburn|afk | yeah, maybe 3 instead? |
| 23:30.26 | Skyfire | yeah |
| 23:30.35 | Skyfire | i'll decapitalize the letters too :x |
| 23:33.06 | Skyfire | hmmm |
| 23:33.33 | Skyfire | how the hell do you spell sylvanus |
| 23:33.44 | kaso | Hows the wiki then? back to life |
| 23:33.58 | Skyfire | yar |
| 23:34.11 | kaso | Kirkburn|afk, |
| 23:34.17 | kaso | ive lost my ! |
| 23:34.18 | kaso | what sup |
| 23:35.24 | kaso | (Upload log); 23:17 . . Whyteboi101 (Talk | contribs) (uploaded "Image:SATAN.jpg") |
| 23:35.26 | kaso | ^_- |
| 23:35.35 | Adys | lol |
| 23:38.00 | Skyfire | ok, got it started kirk |
| 23:39.14 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Transmute-Rotation_Print.png lol at the copyright |
| 23:39.15 | Adys | yawn |
| 23:40.17 | kaso | I wonder if he has full licence to use those blizzard images in his copyrighted creation |
| 23:40.47 | Adys | yea |
| 23:42.32 | kaso | I know i shouldnt laugh but man this page is funny |
| 23:42.41 | kaso | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Whyteboi101/Barlinn |
| 23:42.52 | *** join/#wowwiki _dok3Dal (n=dok@AStrasbourg-251-1-114-56.w90-26.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:44.24 | kaso | He's so proud of his charater |
| 23:45.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Sky, Mannoroth under Undead? |
| 23:45.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Fixed :) |
| 23:45.52 | kaso | Ok im gonna unleash my bot again (abite with a longer edit delay |
| 23:46.38 | kaso | Kirkburn ignore what i said about loosing my ! before |
| 23:46.42 | kaso | i wasnt logged in >.< |
| 23:46.51 | Kirkburn|afk | nooblet |
| 23:47.02 | kaso | I had to log out to flag my bots edits! |
| 23:47.47 | kaso | So how does this RC patrol thing work, you just check out edits on the RC list, and they're auto flagged as patroled? |
| 23:48.46 | Skyfire | go to the (dif) tag |
| 23:50.16 | Skyfire | ok, kirk, that is very annoying |
| 23:50.27 | Skyfire | xD |
| 23:50.50 | Skyfire | remind me not to do that to you again :x |
| 23:52.10 | Skyfire | ugh, would you put vashj in the high elves or no? that's what naga were prior to the dispersion of the well |
| 23:52.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Er, what? |
| 23:52.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh right |
| 23:53.07 | Kirkburn|afk | No, the naga were night elves |
| 23:53.10 | Karrius | Uh, no? They were night elves. |
| 23:53.19 | Karrius | Highborne, you mean? |
| 23:53.24 | Skyfire | yar |
| 23:53.48 | Skyfire | hmmm |
| 23:53.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Make a naga line :) |
| 23:54.06 | Skyfire | yeah, I think so |
| 23:54.07 | Skyfire | :/ |
| 23:54.41 | kaso | naga please. |
| 23:54.43 | Skyfire | what about cenarious :/ |
| 23:54.44 | kaso | (sorry) |
| 23:54.45 | Skyfire | one sec you |
| 23:54.52 | Kirkburn|afk | kaso, lol |
| 23:54.53 | Skyfire | internet died |
| 23:55.04 | kaso | Also: |
| 23:55.07 | kaso | Naga stole my bike |
| 23:55.14 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 23:55.21 | Skyfire | truth |
| 23:55.23 | kaso | That was a guild on tbc beta |
| 23:55.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Cenarius - Demigods line? |
| 23:55.43 | kaso | That was a guild on tbc beta |
| 23:55.44 | Skyfire | prolly |
| 23:55.46 | kaso | woops |
| 23:55.49 | Skyfire | nice |
| 23:56.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Was the Forsaken faction formed during WC3? |
| 23:57.18 | Skyfire | not until after, i don't think |
| 23:57.28 | kaso | Either something is up with my proxy tonight or wiki isnt liking my bot somehow |
| 23:57.31 | Karrius | It was formed during TFT |
| 23:57.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Skyfire, add back Forsaken please :) |
| 23:57.47 | Skyfire | mk |
| 23:57.54 | Skyfire | turn off the bot kaso >_< |
| 23:57.58 | Skyfire | i think it's your fault |
| 23:58.00 | *** join/#wowwiki Tem (n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem) |
| 23:58.04 | Tem | damnit, Kirkburn|afk |
| 23:58.08 | Tem | needs more favicon |
| 23:58.15 | Karrius | There were two? Three? missions about sylvanus. |
| 23:58.19 | Skyfire | remind me to add Archimond and Cenarius |
| 23:58.20 | Tem | (or cowbell, that works too) |
| 23:58.29 | Karrius | I can't remember if she actually called herself "The forsaken" , but they were definately there. |
| 23:58.39 | Adys | wiki down? |
| 23:58.45 | Tem | I'm on it right now |
| 23:58.51 | Tem | so... no |
| 23:59.25 | kaso | it seems screwy |
| 23:59.25 | kaso | Im getting intermittent timeouts |
| 23:59.36 | Thrae | I don't think the Forsaken really became the Forsaken until after or near the end of TFT |
| 23:59.56 | Karrius | They didn't appear until TFT, yeah. |
