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| 01:50.57 | Bagginsww | heh my breath of fire 3 came, and yep it appears to be an import. I'm surprised Amazon.com carried it. |
| 01:51.36 | Bagginsww | it says capcom-europe on the back of the manual, and has some "Pegi" rating system |
| 01:52.14 | Bagginsww | LOL, there is a character named "garr" |
| 01:56.09 | Bagginsww | at least I lucked out and got a copy with an english manual |
| 01:56.28 | Bagginsww | I hear some people got copies that had a german/french manual, but english game. |
| 01:58.56 | Tekkub | hum, can't do external images on the wiki can ya? |
| 01:58.56 | Tekkub | http://jebus.geek.nz/WoW/armory/pve/Area 52/Tekkub/sig3.jpg |
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| 02:03.21 | Bagginsww | pegi rates games on if they ahve "fear" content? |
| 02:03.55 | Bagginsww | "discrimination" is another interesting base game ratings on |
| 02:04.01 | Tekkub | damnit, how do I gracefully tell someone to take their stupid pvp questions to the blizz forum? :P |
| 02:04.08 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 02:05.33 | Bagginsww | how does a "fear" rating work? |
| 02:05.56 | Tekkub | it rates how scary you are, and thus how effect your fear spell is |
| 02:06.20 | Bagginsww | LOL, was talking about european video game rating system |
| 02:06.50 | Bagginsww | there isn't anything equivalent in the ESRB rating systme as far as I know |
| 02:07.08 | Tekkub | ESRB is simple |
| 02:07.13 | Tekkub | there's 3 ratings |
| 02:07.38 | Tekkub | E - "Everyone" - This title is boring and therefore safe for everyone |
| 02:08.01 | Bagginsww | ESRB, had like 5 rating styles |
| 02:08.04 | Tekkub | T - "Teen" - This game is fun, so only 13+ should be able to play |
| 02:08.13 | Tekkub | wait no that was M |
| 02:08.16 | Tekkub | Mature :) |
| 02:08.19 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 02:08.41 | Bagginsww | http://www.esrb.org/index-js.jsp make that 6 |
| 02:08.43 | Tekkub | and AO - "Adult Only" - ... OMG was that pixel a nipple? No US store will sell this title now |
| 02:09.30 | Bagginsww | and there are side ratings such as for violence, or drugs, etc |
| 02:09.55 | Bagginsww | pretty sure we don't have descrimintaion or fear warnings |
| 02:10.24 | Bagginsww | violence, sexual content, drugs, bad language sure |
| 02:10.33 | Bagginsww | although most sexual content is limited to "suggestive themes" |
| 02:11.08 | Tekkub | my point is their system is crap, just like movie ratings |
| 02:11.23 | Tekkub | it's either kid, teens, or adults |
| 02:11.40 | Bagginsww | to be honest I don't need a rating system |
| 02:11.42 | Tekkub | but they try to boil it down into specifics |
| 02:11.50 | Bagginsww | I get whatever game i'm interested in |
| 02:11.53 | Tekkub | to be honest no adult does :) |
| 02:11.56 | Bagginsww | I don't care what censors think of it |
| 02:12.16 | Tekkub | it's the uppity closeted parents that drive the rating systems |
| 02:12.20 | Bagginsww | most nintendo first party games are E. and they are great |
| 02:12.27 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 02:12.37 | Tekkub | for fucks sake, my mothers let me play Leisure Suit Larry when I was like 7 |
| 02:12.40 | Bagginsww | My parents didn't care if I played M games when I was 14 |
| 02:12.59 | Bagginsww | LOL I bought those games when I was 12 to be honest |
| 02:13.12 | Bagginsww | although I never let mey parents know I was playing them |
| 02:13.22 | Tekkub | I was too young to know what they were about even |
| 02:13.26 | Bagginsww | they just slipped in during one of those sierra "free games" deals |
| 02:13.28 | Bagginsww | ;) |
| 02:13.54 | Bagginsww | as I was a huge sierra fan and I pretty much picked up any sierra game at the time |
| 02:14.04 | Tekkub | anywho, I guess my point is, the children of those closeminded types always turn out fucked up |
| 02:14.10 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 02:14.21 | Bagginsww | generally those are the ones that end up being murderers :p |
| 02:14.27 | Bagginsww | or the ones we hear about |
| 02:14.38 | Tekkub | my parents would take me to an R movie any time I wanted, but then I never wanted to see graphic shit much anyway |
| 02:15.04 | Bagginsww | also when I was young what was rated "M" was nothing compared todays graphics |
| 02:15.16 | Tekkub | tho only one I ever really *wanted* to see was Varsity Blues |
| 02:15.21 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 02:15.26 | Tekkub | but only cause I though the chubby guy was cute |
| 02:15.57 | Tekkub | and he stripped down to boxers |
| 02:16.06 | Bagginsww | ahh... |
| 02:16.21 | Bagginsww | not a draw for me, sorry LOL |
| 02:16.34 | Bagginsww | give me cute women anyday |
| 02:19.43 | Bagginsww | I didn't start going to movies until I was around 15 myself... |
| 02:20.23 | Bagginsww | My mom was one of those that thought theatre was religously wrong or some such thing |
| 02:21.06 | Bagginsww | although she's a bit more liberal now |
| 02:21.20 | Bagginsww | though I can't get her to go to movies with me LOL |
| 02:21.54 | Bagginsww | she will go with my sister when she comes down to visit her... oddly. |
| 02:23.14 | Tekkub | I grew up with 2 mothers, their family values were simple to boil down... |
| 02:23.30 | Tekkub | "Fuck you and your preconceived notions of 'family values'" |
| 02:23.38 | Bagginsww | 2 mothers? In the same home? |
| 02:23.49 | Tekkub | yes |
| 02:23.59 | Bagginsww | fascinating structure |
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| 02:24.23 | Bagginsww | studying kinship right now in cultural anthropology class |
| 02:25.06 | Tekkub | 2 sisters as well |
| 02:25.20 | Tekkub | I learned to lock myself in my room 3 days a month |
| 02:25.23 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 02:25.25 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 02:26.29 | Bagginsww | only one sister... and one mother... I locked myself up most of the time :p |
| 02:26.56 | Bagginsww | My sister is one of the bossiest people I know :p |
| 02:28.22 | Bagginsww | bah, USPS and their lousy tracking system... |
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| 02:30.35 | tjs | hi |
| 02:30.56 | tjs | is this the place to request wowwiki content? :) |
| 02:31.16 | tjs | I had an interesting idea Id like to work on, and perhaps get contributions to |
| 02:32.46 | Bagginsww | currently in the class, we were discussing the sexual practices of the Gebusi in the 80's or so |
| 02:32.55 | Bagginsww | and their kinship ties |
| 02:33.30 | tjs | ok..ay |
| 02:33.45 | Bagginsww | sorry tjs, we talk about lots of stuff here |
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| 02:33.54 | Tekkub | tjs, ya don't request content, you write it |
| 02:33.56 | Tekkub | it's a wiki |
| 02:33.59 | Karrion | tjs: you can just dive in and create the page usually |
| 02:34.03 | tjs | ok |
| 02:34.05 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 02:34.16 | Bagginsww | just remember to cite any information if you pull it from somethng |
| 02:34.24 | tjs | I wanted to write a 1-70 guide .. with a twist |
| 02:34.30 | tjs | its not about leveling |
| 02:34.34 | tjs | its about enjoying the game |
| 02:34.37 | Tekkub | a twist... you delete the toon at the end? |
| 02:34.46 | tjs | for.. you know, the games sake |
| 02:35.03 | Kirkburn | Jesus, I think he's onto something! |
| 02:35.11 | Tekkub | see that's where I think to enjoy the game the first thing you do is throw out the guide |
| 02:35.12 | Kirkburn | ^^ |
| 02:35.28 | tjs | I think alot of people need help ;) |
| 02:35.32 | Bagginsww | there is a way to have fun and grind at the same time? |
| 02:35.32 | Kirkburn | tjs, more like exploration, that kind of stuff? |
| 02:35.36 | Tekkub | the most you'd need is a list of the zone's level ranges |
| 02:35.50 | tjs | its actually hard to find people who are not following the 1-60 pwr lvling guide they got of bt |
| 02:36.24 | Bagginsww | so anyone interested in hearing about the gebusi? |
| 02:36.41 | Tekkub | is that some sort of sushi? |
| 02:36.55 | tjs | Kirkburn: yeh, exploration, nice places to visit, cool things you can do, interesting quests with cool (not always practical) rewards, perhaps some stuff on where best to use noggenfogger/rocket boots for interesting effect, etc ;) |
| 02:36.57 | Bagginsww | culture society in papa new guine |
| 02:36.59 | Kirkburn | No, no, it's a type of dog innit? |
| 02:37.10 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 02:37.17 | Tekkub | oh, then no, I don't like gunea pigs |
| 02:37.21 | Tekkub | I'm a cat person |
| 02:37.22 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 02:37.41 | Kirkburn | tjs, sounds cool. No idea what you could call it though :P |
| 02:37.54 | tjs | wowwiki.com/Enjoy? |
| 02:37.56 | tjs | heh |
| 02:38.12 | Tekkub | coke would sue us |
| 02:38.19 | Bagginsww | ahh well, thought their initiation rituals were interesting |
| 02:38.20 | tjs | darn |
| 02:38.53 | tjs | where to buy the coolest pets |
| 02:39.03 | Karrion | tjs: wowwiki.com/Levelling_for_Fun ? |
| 02:39.05 | Tekkub | Stormspire |
| 02:39.36 | tjs | Karrion: perhaps, but its even not about leveling, wowwiki.com/Playing_for_Fun? |
| 02:39.52 | Bagginsww | Initian rituals involved older inititiates feeding their semen to pass on vital life forces to make them strong men. |
| 02:40.04 | tjs | eww |
| 02:40.16 | Tekkub | Bukakke! |
| 02:40.18 | Kirkburn | Stormspire pets ftw |
| 02:40.25 | Bagginsww | definitely different than western initiation rituals... |
| 02:40.51 | Kirkburn | ... |
| 02:41.10 | Bagginsww | anycase they believed that this ritual would make them strong men and be able to father next generation of children. |
| 02:41.15 | Tekkub | taht's what sunday services need to make this country less stupid, more bukakke |
| 02:41.25 | tjs | what do they call the pets everyone can get? what would I search the wiki for? not hunter pets |
| 02:41.36 | Tekkub | non-combat pets |
| 02:41.42 | Bagginsww | in some cases men would put semen in baby food to help, "strengthen the child" |
| 02:42.12 | Tekkub | hrm... that reminds me |
| 02:42.21 | Kirkburn | What an adventurous bunch |
| 02:42.29 | Bagginsww | Women did not have any jealousy for the "trysts" that went on, but if their man was to have wandering eye for other women... well that was asking for trouble |
| 02:42.30 | Tekkub | I got Butter Pecan ice cream... add some nutmeg and it's a damn good shake |
| 02:42.44 | tjs | Bagginsww: congrats, I'm leaving now, thanks for being a disgusting freak |
| 02:42.46 | tjs | ;) |
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| 02:43.14 | Bagginsww | LOL, what someone doesn't have an open mind for cultural trivia? |
| 02:44.07 | Bagginsww | interesting enough when the anthropologist asked if women ever got together, they were confused, and wondered how that was possile. |
| 02:44.11 | Bagginsww | *possible |
| 02:44.36 | Tekkub | well they prolly didn't have teledildonics back in those days |
| 02:45.06 | Bagginsww | a what? |
| 02:45.20 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 02:45.22 | Bagginsww | I see, "dildo" abut what the hell is the rest of that? |
| 02:45.51 | Tekkub | think 21st centry dildo tech |
| 02:45.56 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 02:46.45 | Bagginsww | anycase, the young unmarried women were often so interested in men they barely ever got their work done lol. |
| 02:47.24 | Kirkburn | They somewhat remind me on Bonobos |
| 02:47.42 | Bagginsww | which lead to them being chastised by their elders. |
| 02:47.53 | Bagginsww | Ahh, the Bonobos |
| 02:48.23 | Bagginsww | although bonobos will do anything and anyone |
| 02:49.11 | Bagginsww | most open species when it comes to that kind of thing |
| 02:49.24 | Bagginsww | doesn't matter if the bonobo is young or old |
| 02:53.13 | Bagginsww | Orangs are interesting too though. Practice lifelong monagamy. |
| 02:59.31 | Bagginsww | http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0072972637/student_view0/topic_list/male_initiation.html# |
| 02:59.53 | Bagginsww | just pictures of gebusi, nothing graphic |
| 03:00.12 | Bagginsww | well unless you count topless women |
| 03:04.25 | bleetah | Laraul: please don't announce /away |
| 03:06.18 | Laraul | omigod |
| 03:06.26 | Laraul | WHY did it do that? |
| 03:06.34 | Bagginsww | take care everyone need to get back to the gebusi book... |
| 03:06.37 | Laraul | It should not have done that |
| 03:17.11 | Kirkburn | On a totally different topic - http://www.superdickery.com/seduction/1.html ftw |
| 03:17.15 | Laraul | Bah! Parallels update checker doesn't work |
| 03:19.07 | Tekkub | pfft, ever kid knows GL is the token black guy |
| 03:20.25 | Laraul | Kirkburn, just curious... but why did you say Vista's search was better exactly? Is there a site or something that compares the two? |
| 03:20.29 | Kirkburn | I can't stop laughing at the comics |
| 03:21.09 | Kirkburn | Several comments by one of the guys who works on the MS search stuff, I'll see if I can find his comments |
| 03:23.24 | Kirkburn | This is the guy's blog - http://brandonlive.com/ |
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| 03:27.57 | Kirkburn | Ack, hard to find relevant comments. If I said it was better, I can't find info to back that up atm, but it's certainly as good as Spotlight |
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| 03:32.48 | Kirkburn | hahahahahahaa - http://www.superdickery.com/seduction/38.html |
| 03:43.16 | zeal | Kirkburn |
| 03:43.24 | Kirkburn | zeal |
| 03:43.27 | zeal | can you change the elinks vote to adopted now? |
| 03:44.13 | Kirkburn | linkage |
| 03:44.21 | Kirkburn | http://www.superdickery.com/seduction/57.html |
| 03:44.36 | Kirkburn | Takes an age to find pages :P |
| 03:45.56 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Templates/Elinks_Templates_Standardization |
| 03:46.11 | Zeal | though i probably just killed the wiki |
| 03:46.29 | Zeal | *depreciated |
| 03:48.50 | Zeal | wow amazon recommends actually got something right for once.. |
| 03:49.02 | Zeal | it recommended i buy the new within temptation album :) |
| 03:54.04 | Tekkub | what's the issue Z? |
| 03:57.25 | Zeal | people chaning depreciated to deprecated, using "spelling" as an edit summary.. deprecated is an archaic term that has nothing to do with depreciated. it has only because popular because programmers and such started using it (which was likely a typo at first) to mean depreciated. |
| 03:57.29 | Zeal | *changing |
| 03:57.47 | Zeal | *only become popular |
| 03:58.13 | Zeal | http://www.vgcats.com/comics/ <--rofl |
| 03:59.46 | Karrion | Zeal: I'd love to see a cite for that, because I disagree. They're distinct terms with distinct meanings. (I haven't been changing it though) |
| 03:59.49 | Zeal | fucking questtb.. are people blind!? |
| 04:00.40 | Zeal | they don't have distinct meanings. |
| 04:00.51 | Zeal | "The first and fully accepted meaning of deprecate is "to express disapproval of." But the word has steadily encroached on the meaning of depreciate. It is now used, almost to the exclusion of depreciate, in the sense "to belittle or mildly disparage," as in He deprecated his own contribution. In an earlier survey, this newer sense was approved by a majority of the Usage Panel." |
| 04:01.21 | Zeal | the original meaning for deprecated is "Archaic. to pray for deliverance from. " |
| 04:01.55 | Zeal | the meaning now is "To express disapproval of; deplore." and "To belittle; depreciate." |
| 04:02.39 | Laraul | kirk, he had a lot of interesting things to say... i couldn't find anything about the indexer |
| 04:02.50 | Skosiris | lol |
| 04:03.03 | Skosiris | Today's arguing: Deprecated VS Depreciated |
| 04:03.16 | Zeal | nah, this is a reoccurance of this argument |
| 04:03.39 | Kirkburn | Laraul, I do know that it's very low priority and thus doesn't impact on system performance, but I don't know of a side-by-side comparison (which would be hard anyway) |
| 04:03.42 | Zeal | i'm not going to go about chaning deprecated to depreciated on the wiki, but i'm not having people changed depreciated to deprecated. |
| 04:03.58 | Zeal | *change |
| 04:04.09 | Zeal | *changing |
| 04:04.11 | Zeal | bah |
| 04:04.40 | Kirkburn | Ah lol, this Audiobook is the top seller on iTunes Australia - http://www.istartedsomething.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/audiobookdesc_l.jpg |
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| 04:05.05 | Kirkburn | Safe to say, it's a VERY adventurous book |
| 04:05.17 | Zeal | Kirkburn, change to adopted plx :p |
| 04:05.59 | Karrion | "But the word has steadily encroached on the meaning of depreciate" <-- I'd interpret that as meaning they had distinct meanings but people have been mixing them up so much that the distinction is getting lost ;-) |
| 04:06.11 | Zeal | yes |
| 04:06.30 | Zeal | but even it's normal usage has nothing to do with it's original usage |
| 04:06.35 | Zeal | either way |
| 04:06.44 | Zeal | when i say depreciated, i know i want depreciated. |
| 04:06.46 | Kirkburn | What's to adopt? |
| 04:07.00 | Kirkburn | The proposal was accepted - we weren't making a policy were we? |
| 04:07.22 | Zeal | well i don't see how it's not a policy (otherthan the fact adys didn't mark it as one) |
| 04:08.19 | Zeal | policies can't be recalled after being adopted according to the policy proposal process, and are supposed to be marked as policy after being implemented (which has happened now). |
| 04:08.29 | Zeal | *as adopted |
| 04:08.49 | Kirkburn | I don't really see it as a policy - it doesn't really fit in with the other policies |
| 04:09.39 | Zeal | so basically i've done all this based on a "standard" that has no policy and thus any other changes based on it are invalid? |
| 04:09.52 | Zeal | right.. so you cna go revert what i've done -_- |
| 04:09.54 | Kirkburn | No, of course not |
| 04:10.15 | Kirkburn | I'm saying it's not a policy in the same terms as the main WoWWiki policies |
| 04:10.33 | Zeal | then what power does it have? |
| 04:11.47 | Kirkburn | If you can point me to where it comes under, perhaps - http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Policies |
| 04:12.04 | Kirkburn | Say we look at http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Policy/Writing ... it's nothing like those policies |
| 04:12.17 | Zeal | if the wiki was loading : / |
| 04:12.20 | Zeal | bah |
| 04:12.25 | Laraul | Hmmm I think "Windows Performance Index" tops out at 5.9 |
| 04:12.31 | Kirkburn | Fine for me :/ |
| 04:12.34 | Kirkburn | Laraul, yup |
| 04:12.35 | Zeal | i can't see where it is |
| 04:12.42 | Zeal | but the internal linking policy |
| 04:12.45 | Zeal | w/e that is |
| 04:12.48 | Zeal | *wherever |
| 04:14.22 | Kirkburn | Essentially I'm saying we don't need to call it a policy and burden ourselves (myself) with the extra work just to make it seem more official. The vote has been taken, the changes have taken place. |
| 04:14.57 | Skosiris | Hey, I have a question |
| 04:15.01 | Skosiris | just wondering.. :) |
| 04:15.05 | Kirkburn | What's up? |
| 04:15.22 | Skosiris | is Rustak involved at all with the site? |
| 04:15.31 | Kirkburn | He owns and runs it |
| 04:15.47 | Kirkburn | And he's on this channel ... |
| 04:15.56 | Skosiris | oh |
| 04:16.00 | Skosiris | What's his username? |
| 04:16.09 | Kirkburn | Laraul, it's limited atm, but they'll extend it when Windows needs it |
| 04:16.13 | Kirkburn | vlad |
| 04:16.43 | Skosiris | kk |
| 04:18.43 | Zeal | Kirkburn, i've been using the outcome of that vote to justfy other changes, because i considered it a policy that applied globally. It has no power outside it's scope, thus what i've been doing is apparently wrong. inside it's scope, it has very little enforcement power as is made clear by the opening paragraph of the voting policy. I'm not saying what the vote was in relaitontion to (elink templates) should be policy, but the |
| 04:19.06 | Laraul | Personally... they should have use intergers 1-10 |
| 04:19.14 | Laraul | Er I think they should have I mean |
| 04:19.23 | Zeal | in the outcome, that external sites providing incorrect ID's should be optional and not used unless needed. |
| 04:20.17 | Kirkburn | Laraul, the idea is that it can be extended above 5.9 - it wouldn't be a reliable count for the cutting edge hardware unless it was continuously updated. |
| 04:20.29 | Kirkburn | I can imagine it'll have updates every few months |
| 04:20.34 | Laraul | Of course if I see a software box that says "this software reconmends running on a system with a perfomance index of N.N" i'll be dilighted |
| 04:20.37 | Kirkburn | Zeal, I didn't know all that |
| 04:20.46 | Laraul | Er delighted |
| 04:20.51 | Kirkburn | Laraul, yeah, you should be seeing that soon |
| 04:21.05 | Karrion | Zeal: I don't think changing the others is "wrong", because it certainly doesn't go _against_ any policy, even if that vote didn't create one |
| 04:21.25 | Laraul | They should seriously make a desktop icon for the GAMES window |
| 04:21.34 | Zeal | yeah, but i have no right to claim otherwise and justfy myself with that vote Karrion |
| 04:22.31 | Karrion | well, as a general principle they should all be consistent, so given we voted one way in elinks-item, it's a fair bet that the votes on the others would go the same way |
| 04:22.47 | Karrion | and hey, if someone has a problem with it they can make a new vote |
| 04:22.48 | Kirkburn | I'm going to stay away from this discussion atm, kinda tired. No-one's complained so far at least :) |
| 04:22.57 | Zeal | lol |
| 04:23.24 | Zeal | Kirkburn, i don't think anyone but adys has looked at all the templates i depreciated and speedydeleted last night. |
| 04:23.28 | Kirkburn | Laraul, um, I just had to drag the "Games" link to the desktop to make that icon :P |
| 04:23.32 | Zeal | and he neglected to comment :p |
| 04:23.36 | Karrion | besides, what you & Tekkub have done looks good, I doubt anyone will complain |
| 04:23.49 | Tekkub | you doubt wrong |
| 04:23.56 | Zeal | aye |
| 04:24.02 | Zeal | 2 people already complained |
| 04:24.07 | Kirkburn | Laraul, good point though ... I keep forgetting to use it |
| 04:24.10 | Kirkburn | Orly? |
| 04:24.13 | Tekkub | "where's [shitty] thott?" |
| 04:24.23 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:Elinks-item |
| 04:24.51 | Karrion | well... the thott fanbois will complain about thott not being there, and we say, you wqant thott, look up the item IDs and use the optional field, that's why it's there |
| 04:25.44 | Karrion | (bte I agreewith you on thott's quality) |
| 04:25.50 | Karrion | s/bte/btw/ |
| 04:26.56 | Tekkub | yea well I think the whole hubbub is that *someone* removed thott IDs |
| 04:26.58 | Zeal | well, i threw my own idea into the works. discouraging it. people can argue over that if they want, and i'd be happy if they do rather than complain about the changes. in the vote, everyong ignored the issue. |
| 04:27.56 | Tekkub | not that the template changed, not that we're trying to discourage thott, just that links that used to be there are now gone |
| 04:28.06 | Karrion | IMO the vote was (should have been, anyway) about the ID standardisation, and that alone. The quality of thottbot's information is an entirely separate (though tangential) issue |
| 04:28.39 | Tekkub | I think the quality of thott stems from the fact that they don't use the standard IDs |
| 04:28.59 | Tekkub | or maybe it's just an effect of their datamining bugs that have never been fixed |
| 04:29.03 | Tekkub | who knows |
| 04:29.04 | Tekkub | who cares |
| 04:29.05 | Karrion | and yeah, the argument can be made that where the old template had a thott ID, the new template should be passes the optional parameter |
| 04:29.10 | Tekkub | head got shit right |
| 04:29.28 | Karrion | but in the end it doesn't really matter since it can be edited in if people really want it |
| 04:29.50 | Tekkub | exactly, it boils down to that thing I say so much I need to make a template |
| 04:29.58 | Tekkub | "It's a wiki, fix it yourself" |
| 04:30.18 | Zeal | lol |
| 04:30.24 | Tekkub | hrm... |
| 04:30.28 | Tekkub | [[You fix it]] |
| 04:30.30 | Tekkub | *idea* |
| 04:32.27 | Zeal | the point i tried to get acorss is ultimately, thottbot (and in the case of maps, alla) has provided inaccurate information for NPCs, items and maps by using the incorrect IDs. so unless they can provide something the others and ourselves can not, it should not be used. if it does provide something extra, then it can be added optionally. |
| 04:32.35 | Zeal | *accross |
| 04:33.19 | Zeal | btw, i was wondering |
| 04:33.34 | Zeal | is there a desire to add warcray into the templates too? |
| 04:33.54 | Tekkub | they use proper IDs? |
| 04:34.01 | Zeal | never looked tbh |
| 04:34.16 | Tekkub | if they do, see no reason not to |
| 04:34.27 | Tekkub | if they don't, people can add it themselves |
| 04:34.30 | Tekkub | I see it like this |
| 04:34.48 | Tekkub | we shouldn't show a bias to any site in perticular as our "fav" |
| 04:34.59 | Zeal | i know, jsut wondering if it was popular enough to warrent adding it |
| 04:35.02 | Tekkub | but we should show a bias to sites that don't provide accurate data |
| 04:35.03 | Kirkburn|afk | (even if Wowhead is the best ;) |
| 04:35.03 | Zeal | i've never used the site, lol |
| 04:35.45 | Zeal | well people that were around last night, saw i got mixed up, and thought wowhead had the wrong map ids |
| 04:36.02 | Zeal | i was all set to make it optional |
| 04:36.11 | Tekkub | http://wow.warcry.com/db/view_item.php?id=11411:0:0 |
| 04:36.17 | Zeal | but then i realized that wasn't the case :p |
| 04:36.19 | Tekkub | 11411 IS the right ID |
| 04:36.37 | Tekkub | not sure how the other ID fields come into play |
| 04:36.43 | Tekkub | prolly the random enchants |
| 04:36.54 | Zeal | check items, zones, factions, npcs, sets, spells er.. think that's it :P |
| 04:37.23 | Tekkub | I need to shower and get ready to go to work :P |
| 04:38.17 | Zeal | wiki is being awfully flakey atm :s |
| 04:38.39 | Skosiris | hmm |
| 04:38.58 | Skosiris | tell me Warcry is a good site. |
| 04:39.08 | Tekkub | ten ton hammer uses their own IDs :P |
| 04:39.36 | Skosiris | without laughing that is :P |
| 04:39.57 | Zeal | never been, heh |
| 04:40.05 | Bagginsww | anything interesting? |
| 04:40.18 | Zeal | what about goblin workshop? i know that was gainign favour before wowhead popped up :P |
| 04:40.42 | Tekkub | I liked Jayne's beta prieviews on Warcry |
| 04:40.49 | Tekkub | otherwise I don't use the site much |
| 04:40.55 | Karrion | was it? I used to use GW way back, before even thott |
| 04:40.55 | Tekkub | s/much/at all/ |
| 04:41.11 | Bagginsww | sometimes I have ot use goblin workship cause I can't find something on alla |
| 04:41.51 | Zeal | omg.. |
| 04:41.56 | Zeal | warcry is awful |
| 04:42.04 | Zeal | barely readable.. |
| 04:42.45 | Skosiris | http://wow.warcry.com/db/view_item.php?id=3041:0:0 |
| 04:43.05 | Skosiris | I wonder how they can come up with such nice pages |
| 04:44.48 | Karrion | hmm... ampwow? seems to use real IDs for at least items and creatures... _but_ the url contains the name as well as the id :-/ |
| 04:45.18 | Zeal | ouch |
| 04:45.35 | Zeal | that'd be hard to link up in some cases i'd imagine. |
| 04:45.43 | Karrion | and its zones only have the name |
| 04:46.05 | Karrion | (for those that were here yesterday, using + as space ;-P) |
| 04:46.14 | Skosiris | The best part about Ampwow is where they said they never visited Wowhead before creating their site. |
| 04:46.20 | Skosiris | Sure... :) |
| 04:46.29 | Karrion | so: http://www.ampwow.com/wow/viewNewZones/Hellfire+Peninsula.php ; http://www.ampwow.com/wow/viewNewCreatures/21296-Bladespire+Champion.php |
| 04:48.08 | Karrion | the only thing I like at all about ampwow is the boss strategies, have some nice positioning illustrations |
| 04:48.55 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Citadel_Vs._Temple |
| 04:49.37 | Zeal | whats up Bagginsww? |
| 04:49.44 | Bagginsww | not much |
| 04:50.05 | Bagginsww | jus asking for people who remember the forum posts can dig them up :p |
| 04:50.15 | Bagginsww | they really belong in that article |
| 04:50.34 | Zeal | aye |
| 04:51.09 | Zeal | wowamp does look liek a cross between wowhead and warcry tbh :p |
| 04:51.15 | Zeal | which is ofc a bad thing.. |
| 04:51.35 | Zeal | actually i take that back, a cross between wowhead and alla. |
| 04:51.51 | Skosiris | http://www.ampwow.com/wow/viewRecipes/blacksmithing.php |
| 04:52.17 | Skosiris | this simple page, the list of Blacksmithing recipes, is 1.7 MB |
| 04:53.39 | Zeal | listing them all? |
| 04:53.43 | Skosiris | yeah |
| 04:53.54 | Bagginsww | Also zeal, there is a strong possibility the reason why MOnster Guide uses "Black Citadel" is because it was written before knowledge of "Black Temple" was released to them. The book was already going to press long before release of BC |
| 04:54.11 | Bagginsww | although it went on sale in the last month or so |
| 04:54.35 | Zeal | MG uses it? |
| 04:54.40 | Zeal | don't recall this.. |
| 04:54.41 | Laraul | damn i need to get another hdd real soon |
| 04:54.42 | Bagginsww | I gave you the quote |
| 04:55.09 | Laraul | i guess they stopped making 10,000 rpm sata drives |
| 04:55.17 | Bagginsww | why? |
| 04:55.20 | Bagginsww | they explode? |
| 04:55.32 | Laraul | well i can't find any |
| 04:55.35 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 04:55.48 | Bagginsww | or are they even faster now? |
| 04:56.02 | Laraul | Yeah... they have faster seek times |
| 04:56.29 | Laraul | though they generate considerably more heat |
| 04:56.53 | Laraul | and ATA drives are usually built cheeply... |
| 04:57.40 | Laraul | er not built cheeply but inexpensively |
| 04:57.53 | Bagginsww | I'd like a new zone in outland that you need a flying mount to reach, and get to various "islands" |
| 04:57.54 | Zeal | i don't remember a MG quote, you gave me the quote from S&L, which i said i had infront of me anyways. |
| 04:57.59 | Zeal | *an |
| 04:58.14 | Zeal | that'd be nice Bagginsww |
| 04:58.24 | Zeal | hopefully the remnants of deathwing's lair :p |
| 04:58.51 | Laraul | I have a 15,000 RPM SCSI drive... been running fine but cost me more than 5x an ATA drive of the same size |
| 04:58.53 | Bagginsww | zeal, short term memmory ;). remember you edited one of the topics and inserted the quote into it :p |
| 04:59.00 | Bagginsww | its a one sentence refrence |
| 04:59.15 | Zeal | oh, about the blood elves? |
| 04:59.21 | Zeal | well irregardless it's valid |
| 04:59.31 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Black_Citadel_%28WC3%29 |
| 04:59.37 | Zeal | they did attack the Black Citadel |
| 04:59.56 | Bagginsww | uh that's not why I brought it up. |
| 05:00.11 | Zeal | i know |
| 05:00.13 | Bagginsww | I was just mentioning when it went to press |
| 05:00.30 | Zeal | but didn't they say they were told they are one in the same, so have been using BC all the time |
| 05:00.32 | Bagginsww | and wondering if future books might tell us a "different story" if there is a major naming retcon |
| 05:00.58 | Bagginsww | well monster guide has been "finished" as far as the writing for amost a year |
| 05:01.11 | Bagginsww | it was the color artwork that was holding its release |
| 05:01.36 | Zeal | let's see if i sparked antoher lore keepers controversy with scolding gabby again. |
| 05:01.43 | Bagginsww | gabby? |
| 05:02.00 | Zeal | the lore helper/researcher for the lorekeepers |
| 05:02.20 | Bagginsww | I'm bringing up the printing to history mainly so we can discuss if might have influenced the reason why it says one thing and not another. |
| 05:02.36 | Bagginsww | just in case a major retcon actually exists |
| 05:02.51 | Zeal | do you have evidence of that Bagginsww? |
| 05:03.02 | Zeal | the time the writing was completed that is |
| 05:03.08 | Bagginsww | uh this was discussion on the white wolf forums |
| 05:03.20 | Bagginsww | not sure if the posts exist anymore |
| 05:03.25 | Zeal | kk |
| 05:03.51 | Bagginsww | basically monster guide was said to be finished way back before Alliance Player's Guide |
| 05:04.01 | Bagginsww | but they were having problems with getting the artwork |
| 05:04.09 | Bagginsww | since they wanted it all color |
| 05:04.34 | Bagginsww | come to think of it there might be something in the "upcoming" history for the books |
| 05:04.53 | Bagginsww | you know how you saw Dark Factions listed before certain books? |
| 05:05.01 | Bagginsww | at least I think you mentioned that to me |
| 05:05.49 | Zeal | aye |
| 05:06.13 | Zeal | Dark Factions was said to be the next release, and then MG popped up. |
| 05:06.21 | Bagginsww | yep horde player's guide has Monster Guide listed before Alliance Player's guide, but in 2007, so they wren't sure |
| 05:06.42 | Bagginsww | it has order, monster guide, APG, HPG, and dark factions |
| 05:07.46 | Zeal | well that it explains it |
| 05:07.52 | Zeal | *-it |
| 05:08.04 | Zeal | why is my net so slow today >_< |
| 05:13.55 | Bagginsww | other than that Zeal I think that print order is correct |
| 05:14.09 | Bagginsww | or at least correct in the order they wrote the books, if not release |
| 05:16.07 | Zeal | lol.. someone posted they want to write an evangelion-warcraft cross over fanfic |
| 05:16.54 | Bagginsww | I don't see how that would work |
| 05:17.07 | Bagginsww | portal from outland? |
| 05:17.10 | Karrion | Zeal: ?! |
| 05:17.16 | Bagginsww | portal from outland? |
| 05:18.17 | Zeal | apparently they want to set it in pre-sundering |
| 05:18.25 | Karrion | I guess you could have the Angels actually be demons... the Evas are advanced goblin biotech based on Fel Reavers... umm... |
| 05:18.31 | Zeal | but remove the world tree, tyrande, malfurion, have deathwing around.. :s |
| 05:19.02 | Zeal | oh wait, *post sundering |
| 05:19.03 | Zeal | http://www.wcradio.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4966 |
| 05:19.13 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/High_Inquisitor_Whitemane |
| 05:19.30 | Bagginsww | Kirk, that's a case where I think we should have an article for the history of the character, "Sally Whitemane" |
| 05:19.55 | Zeal | why a seperate article? :S |
| 05:20.29 | Bagginsww | well I mean discussed Sicco Thermaplugg should have the main article be called t hat |
| 05:20.39 | Bagginsww | rather than the ingame npc name |
| 05:20.46 | Bagginsww | because its more accurate to lore |
| 05:21.10 | Zeal | well we had this talk before, where was the discussion, village pump? |
| 05:21.15 | Bagginsww | similar to how http://www.wowwiki.com/Mekkatorque |
| 05:21.20 | Bagginsww | uses his full name |
| 05:21.24 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 05:21.31 | Zeal | i say have the full names as the article, but npc names redirect to it. |
| 05:21.40 | Bagginsww | ya we agree, : |
| 05:21.42 | Bagginsww | :) |
| 05:22.03 | Zeal | and thus there is no need to have seperate policies for lore and npc chars |
| 05:22.10 | Bagginsww | so the article hsould be sally whitemane or High Inquistor Sally Whitemane |
| 05:22.24 | Bagginsww | and both npcs can link to it |
| 05:22.54 | Bagginsww | so only one topic |
| 05:23.01 | Zeal | Sally Whitemane. have High Inquisitor Whitemane redirect to it. |
| 05:23.06 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 05:23.46 | Zeal | no need to get silly with names. lore name(s) and npc name is all that's needed. unless she is refered to as High Inquisitor Sally Whiteman somewhere.. which i doubt. |
| 05:24.28 | Bagginsww | now something as special as say "Onyxia" vs. her alterego, Lady Katrana Prestor, which is a special ingame revelation are best seperated into two articles. |
| 05:24.35 | Bagginsww | to keep the surprise |
| 05:24.50 | Zeal | ... |
| 05:24.56 | Zeal | i'm very anti-spoiler |
| 05:25.24 | Bagginsww | well its also as far as current lore has reached, Prestor hasn't been revealed historyally. |
| 05:25.29 | Zeal | in the sense that when you're documenting things and writing an ecylopedia everything is a spolier and everything should be documented |
| 05:25.32 | Bagginsww | *historically |
| 05:25.51 | Bagginsww | she's still in stormwind |
| 05:26.10 | Zeal | i wouldn't redirect however, i would have an i-disambig |
| 05:26.34 | Zeal | but i wouldn't hide the fact shes onxyia, i'd make it very clear. |
| 05:26.46 | Bagginsww | well ONyxia, article assumes you already know the katrana informatino and directs to lady prestor |
| 05:27.05 | Bagginsww | where as the lady prestor article is written from lore standpoint of "who she claims to be" |
| 05:27.12 | Zeal | actually, not i-disambig, see also |
| 05:27.20 | Bagginsww | with spoiler warning for anyone intertested |
| 05:27.36 | Zeal | yeah.. i spit on spoiler warnings.. |
| 05:27.45 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 05:28.29 | Zeal | sadly i can't move it to sally whitemane because it's already a redirect.. |
| 05:31.32 | Bagginsww | just put a {{move}} |
| 05:31.38 | Bagginsww | and explain why |
| 05:32.14 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Sicco_Thermaplugg |
| 05:33.49 | Zeal | well basically, need an admin to delete the sally whitemane is all. |
| 05:34.06 | Bagginsww | well sally whitemane needs to redirect into the article |
| 05:34.38 | Bagginsww | erm |
| 05:34.38 | Bagginsww | well you can manually copy everything |
| 05:34.38 | Bagginsww | or they can force move it |
| 05:34.40 | Bagginsww | force moving it probably better |
| 05:34.52 | Bagginsww | retains the edit history |
| 05:35.14 | Zeal | yeah, that's why i'd rather move than copy over. |
| 05:35.25 | Zeal | but tbh |
| 05:35.32 | Zeal | the policy should be addressed first |
| 05:35.37 | Bagginsww | true |
| 05:35.37 | Zeal | cos atm, doing so is against policy |
| 05:35.59 | Zeal | win! |
| 05:36.09 | Bagginsww | which is why a {{move}} suggestion probably cleanest. |
| 05:36.34 | Zeal | yeah but people will probably jsut say "no, keep npc name, it's policy" :p |
| 05:36.38 | Bagginsww | you can put up the arguement, that its emphasize lore name over npc names |
| 05:36.58 | Bagginsww | ya but so far I find many examples where wowwiki breaks its own policy |
| 05:37.05 | Zeal | rofl |
| 05:37.26 | Bagginsww | gelbin mekkintorque? |
| 05:37.48 | Zeal | no doubt, most of wowwiki break's it's own policies. |
| 05:38.25 | Zeal | mainly though, it's because the policy was never doen properly, or people are pushing for change and cba with the slow policy process. |
| 05:39.00 | Bagginsww | really I hate, hate going by NPC names, when characters may have a rich background. |
| 05:39.15 | Bagginsww | if the character has no other names, sure go with NPC name |
| 05:39.26 | Bagginsww | but if they show up in more than one source with full names |
| 05:39.29 | Bagginsww | go with the full name |
| 05:39.53 | Zeal | well it's silly to rely on using a game specific name, as that can change easily in the game or change in future games. using soemthing fairly constant such as the name in lore is a better idea. |
| 05:40.04 | Viper007Bond | wow, the armory thing is awesome |
| 05:40.55 | Bagginsww | Someone like Deathwing, its best to go with that name, as he's called that in all lore including BC |
| 05:41.09 | Bagginsww | which is why I'm glad it was moved off his original name |
| 05:41.16 | Bagginsww | he no longer uses that name |
| 05:41.35 | Bagginsww | by original name, I mean his aspect name |
| 05:42.27 | Zeal | yeah.. in that area i'm not really bothered, though i favour original names really. |
| 05:42.42 | Zeal | deathwing may as well be a nickname as far as i'm concerned |
| 05:42.50 | Zeal | same goes for demon soul and dragon soul. |
| 05:43.16 | Zeal | it's like if everyoen started calling uther uthy.. >_> |
| 05:43.17 | Bagginsww | well its interesting wikipedia goes with people's current names rather what htey were born with |
| 05:43.24 | Bagginsww | most of the time |
| 05:43.25 | Zeal | aye |
| 05:43.30 | Bagginsww | so stage names over born names |
| 05:43.41 | Bagginsww | although sometimes the name changes are legalized |
| 05:44.08 | Bagginsww | deathwing was deathwing even before we knew he was an aspect |
| 05:44.22 | Bagginsww | that was kind of a side note to his history |
| 05:44.31 | Bagginsww | added in warcraft III |
| 05:44.44 | Zeal | can anyone tell me wtf an .sfv is? |
| 05:47.12 | Bagginsww | Strangle Forn Vale... j/k |
| 05:47.13 | *** join/#wowwiki dok3Dal (n=dok@AStrasbourg-251-1-79-191.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 05:48.07 | Zeal | lol |
| 05:50.32 | Bibi`ouF | [06:44:44] <Zeal> can anyone tell me wtf an .sfv is? |
| 05:50.34 | Bibi`ouF | simple file verification |
| 05:50.37 | Laraul | oh damn |
| 05:50.51 | Laraul | parallels just crashed mid defrag |
| 05:50.56 | Bibi`ouF | wikipedia probably has tons of things about it |
| 05:55.24 | Zeal | hm, i see |
| 05:55.30 | Zeal | thought it was something silly like that |
| 05:57.19 | Zeal | well anyways.. |
| 05:57.19 | Zeal | since when is an album £8.99 :o |
| 05:57.19 | *** join/#wowwiki Tekkub (n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/Tekkub) |
| 05:57.19 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 05:57.49 | Bagginsww | hmm for some reason links to wowwiki made from white wolf get a "forbidden" warning |
| 05:58.33 | Bagginsww | not an issue you can just copy and paste the links :p |
| 05:59.01 | Bagginsww | actually it isn't every link, just ones containing pictures |
| 05:59.09 | Bagginsww | or directly to a picture |
| 06:01.09 | Zeal | lmao |
| 06:01.13 | Zeal | that's amusing |
| 06:01.26 | Zeal | oh |
| 06:01.27 | Zeal | that's normal |
| 06:01.31 | Zeal | for images |
| 06:01.36 | Bagginsww | bandwidth issue right? |
| 06:01.41 | Zeal | you can't link to or hotlink wowwiki's images |
| 06:01.47 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 06:02.06 | Zeal | prevent people from using a wiki as a free image host :P |
| 06:02.09 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Southseas.JPG |
| 06:02.23 | Zeal | those ones work aye |
| 06:02.31 | Bagginsww | but its forbidden on their site |
| 06:02.35 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/images/7/72/Southseas.JPG <-- that shouldn't |
| 06:02.45 | Zeal | that's weird then |
| 06:02.46 | Bagginsww | ahh second works here |
| 06:02.54 | Zeal | lies, lol |
| 06:02.55 | Zeal | same |
| 06:03.05 | Bagginsww | maybe cause this isn't internet? |
| 06:03.19 | Zeal | doubtful but perhaps |
| 06:03.28 | Bagginsww | I mean the way this access files might be different |
| 06:03.34 | Bagginsww | or accesses the link I mean |
| 06:03.45 | Zeal | where is that from!?!? |
| 06:03.50 | Bagginsww | Lands of Mystery |
| 06:03.55 | Zeal | :o |
| 06:03.57 | Bagginsww | and I posted it cause thought you might be interested |
| 06:04.03 | Zeal | indeed, i am |
| 06:04.12 | Bagginsww | you have seen the lands of mystery northrend map right? |
| 06:04.54 | Zeal | think so |
| 06:04.59 | Zeal | but if you've got link, gief :P |
| 06:05.11 | Bagginsww | Lands of Mystery is like the book that covers "possible" expansion zones ;) |
| 06:05.37 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/images/a/ac/Northrend.JPG |
| 06:07.14 | Bagginsww | WAnts a "Lands of Darkness" book ;) |
| 06:07.14 | Bagginsww | for OUtland |
| 06:07.14 | *** join/#wowwiki amro (n=amro@82.101.184.162) |
| 06:07.18 | Zeal | lame.. store doesn;t take visa electron >_< |
| 06:07.46 | Bagginsww | outland and maybe Xoroth, and Argus |
| 06:08.09 | Bagginsww | and let's add the Ethereal homeworld ;) |
| 06:08.20 | Bagginsww | K'aresh |
| 06:09.06 | Bagginsww | any other worlds we know by name? |
| 06:10.13 | Zeal | Xoroth is? |
| 06:10.21 | Bagginsww | home of the demon horses |
| 06:10.46 | Zeal | huh..? O_o |
| 06:11.14 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Xoroth |
| 06:12.14 | Bagginsww | speaking of which there is a tiny discripion of the world in monster guide |
| 06:12.20 | Bagginsww | in the dreadsteed article |
| 06:12.29 | Bagginsww | I should update that article with the info |
| 06:14.55 | Bagginsww | http://forums.white-wolf.com/viewtopic.php?p=957882#957882 |
| 06:14.58 | Zeal | Tothrezim they're like the goblins of the nether :p |
| 06:15.06 | Bagginsww | pretty much |
| 06:15.12 | Bagginsww | although ethereal fit the same mold |
| 06:15.26 | Bagginsww | or the gan'arg |
| 06:15.28 | Zeal | aye |
| 06:15.49 | Zeal | never doen that quest, so that's why i never knew about this. |
| 06:15.55 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 06:16.02 | Zeal | fun |
| 06:16.07 | Bagginsww | ya lots of fun trivia |
| 06:16.16 | Bagginsww | I hope gates open to these worlds |
| 06:16.35 | Zeal | http://www.powerplaydirect.com/ <-- no you're not ripping of amazon's site are you? >_> |
| 06:16.39 | Bagginsww | give us some worlds they have mentioned rather than create even more :p |
| 06:16.41 | Zeal | *off |
| 06:16.57 | Bagginsww | huh? |
| 06:17.34 | Zeal | that site, ripping off amazon's design. |
| 06:19.38 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 06:20.09 | Bagginsww | so is anyone on that can explain why European rating system bases some ratings off of "fear" included in the game? |
| 06:20.46 | Bagginsww | Is fear considered a dangerous thing? |
| 06:21.07 | Zeal | :s |
| 06:21.08 | amro | only if you're afflicted by it |
| 06:21.09 | Zeal | lol |
| 06:21.38 | Bagginsww | I understand "bad language", "bad language", "sexual content", "drugs", and even "discrimination" |
| 06:21.56 | Bagginsww | but fear seems like a strange way of rating a game |
| 06:21.57 | Zeal | "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering" |
| 06:22.04 | Bagginsww | LAWL |
| 06:22.05 | Zeal | ;) |
| 06:22.08 | Bagginsww | sure Yoda |
| 06:22.41 | Zeal | lol |
| 06:22.42 | Bagginsww | so has fear lead to crime in europe ;) |
| 06:23.20 | Zeal | europe is full of jedi's, we fear nothing, we're just wisely cautious |
| 06:23.57 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 06:25.08 | Bagginsww | "A succubus is pleasure and pain rolled into one deadly package" |
| 06:25.10 | Bagginsww | kinky |
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| 06:25.49 | Bagginsww | "like all demons she enjoys bringing death and misery to mortal races but that doesn't mean she can't have fun with them first |
| 06:25.55 | Bagginsww | so suggestive |
| 06:26.14 | Tekkub | "Oh stop with the whip thing already! Noone cares!": |
| 06:26.42 | Bagginsww | -monster guide description btw |
| 06:29.19 | Bagginsww | ok basically one zone of Xoroth includes, "The plains of Xoroth" |
| 06:29.24 | Bagginsww | they are specifically fiery plains |
| 06:29.29 | Bagginsww | not much of a description |
| 06:31.21 | Skosiris | hey |
| 06:31.44 | Skosiris | would any of you guys have like 10 mintues of spare time? :p |
| 06:32.19 | Skosiris | hmm, nevermind |
| 06:35.54 | Zeal | lol |
| 06:36.02 | Zeal | yay |
| 06:36.06 | Zeal | ordered |
| 06:36.07 | Bagginsww | http://www.sonsofthestorm.com/viewer_samwise.php?cat=personal&art=23 |
| 06:36.09 | Bagginsww | cute |
| 06:36.29 | Bagginsww | not official warcraft, although he has a pandaren in the picture heh heh |
| 06:36.59 | Zeal | Within Temptation - The Heart of Everything w/ signed insert £9.99 incl. P&P :) |
| 06:37.13 | Bagginsww | a fox race though would be interesting companion race for pandaria don't you think? |
| 06:37.23 | amro | I wonder why samwise is obsessed with pandas |
| 06:37.54 | Zeal | he was raped by one when he was young? |
| 06:37.55 | Zeal | :s |
| 06:38.28 | Zeal | and i agree Bagginsww, cute and would be cool |
| 06:38.54 | Bagginsww | although they should be multitailed foxes to fit into the japanse legends, :) |
| 06:38.55 | Zeal | though i'm sure there would be "omfg, die furries!" outrage |
| 06:40.39 | Bagginsww | lol who cares about furries |
| 06:40.48 | Bagginsww | just don't make them playable races |
| 06:41.04 | Bagginsww | and we can avoid the furries ;) |
| 06:41.34 | amro | that won't stop people from hating them. They look like they can run and attack fast, like murlocs. |
| 06:42.02 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 06:42.15 | Bagginsww | well as long as there are evil ones that we can kill ;) |
| 06:43.05 | Zeal | i'd rather not see them in |
| 06:43.11 | Bagginsww | sigh if only he woul dhave put that picture under warcraft rather than "personal" heh heh |
| 06:43.17 | Zeal | just because i find it hard to justify them as existing in the world |
| 06:43.26 | Bagginsww | the pandaren? |
| 06:43.30 | Bagginsww | or the kitsune? |
| 06:43.38 | Bagginsww | kitsune don't exist |
| 06:43.38 | Zeal | if this wasn't warcraft, and pandarens where a major part of the world, kitsunes would fit nicely. |
| 06:43.40 | Bagginsww | pandaren do |
| 06:43.46 | Zeal | yes i know |
| 06:43.50 | Zeal | talking about adding them |
| 06:44.05 | Bagginsww | TFT had no problems with pandaren ;) |
| 06:44.31 | Zeal | pandaren barely scrapes into warcraft setting :p |
| 06:45.20 | Zeal | tauren fit perfectly as they're not really furries, once again blizzard managing to produce unqiue twists and interpretation on pre established fantasy races. |
| 06:48.43 | amro | do pandaren exist in other settings? |
| 06:49.02 | Zeal | yes, furry worlds |
| 06:49.09 | Bagginsww | uh well there are cow fetish furries |
| 06:49.12 | Zeal | not really a single setting |
| 06:49.19 | Zeal | lol |
| 06:49.29 | Bagginsww | anyone remember that space western with cows? |
| 06:49.35 | Bagginsww | old cartoon |
| 06:50.05 | Bagginsww | pandaren is a neat twist with the mix of asian cultures |
| 06:50.19 | Zeal | it's amazing the amount of people who are too stupid to tell the difference betwen a drawing of an tauren and a drawing on a bovine furry. |
| 06:50.19 | Bagginsww | and link to one of the most popular of asian animals. |
| 06:50.31 | Zeal | *of |
| 06:50.33 | Zeal | *a |
| 06:50.51 | Zeal | think i might vaguely Bagginsww |
| 06:52.31 | Zeal | LoM, LoC, M&M, MM&M, APG, WA.. 28 Feb 2007 - 16 Mar 2007 .. gief already. |
| 06:52.38 | Bagginsww | Its interesting though there is one or two asianesque npcs in WOW currently |
| 06:52.51 | Bagginsww | hmm? |
| 06:52.55 | Zeal | well blademasters are bordering on it. |
| 06:53.01 | Zeal | that's my delivery date |
| 06:53.04 | Zeal | for all of those |
| 06:53.06 | Bagginsww | there is a guy in stormwind |
| 06:53.08 | Bagginsww | wu ping |
| 06:53.12 | Bagginsww | or something like that |
| 06:53.13 | Zeal | lol |
| 06:53.32 | Bagginsww | he's a weapon master |
| 06:53.40 | Bagginsww | trains you in swords |
| 06:54.13 | Bagginsww | blademasters are definitely asian |
| 06:54.21 | Bagginsww | well not literally |
| 06:54.24 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 06:54.31 | Bagginsww | but that banner they carry |
| 06:54.39 | Bagginsww | it has a japanese name in lore |
| 06:54.48 | Bagginsww | and is based on real banner |
| 06:54.54 | Bagginsww | I forget the term |
| 06:56.24 | Bagginsww | sashimono |
| 06:56.42 | Bagginsww | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sashimono |
| 06:57.24 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Woo_Ping |
| 07:03.24 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Brewmaster#Famous.2FNamed:http://www.wowwiki.com/Brewmaster#Famous.2FNamed: |
| 07:03.34 | Bagginsww | not sure about the refrence to "tatsa" |
| 07:03.35 | winkiller | the common reference to whooping is missing |
| 07:03.44 | Bagginsww | it could be a randomized pandaren |
| 07:03.57 | Bagginsww | In the fourth mission of hte Sentinels campaign Tatsa Sweetbarrow was in the Pandaren Brewing area in the down left corner of the map. He gave Maiev Shadowsong a Slipper of agility +3. |
| 07:04.02 | Bagginsww | anyone want to confirm that |
| 07:06.01 | winkiller | lol |
| 07:13.13 | Zeal | yes |
| 07:13.25 | Zeal | if that's the boat mission, yeah |
| 07:15.10 | Zeal | yeah |
| 07:15.13 | Zeal | its the one |
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| 08:03.38 | Skyfire | some changes can just be... ugh |
| 08:03.58 | Skyfire | it's not vandalism, but it's like, why the hell did you do that? |
| 08:04.10 | Deathface | anyone know where i can find some info on how to maximize hunter dps? |
| 08:04.27 | Skyfire | hunter forums... :x |
| 08:04.42 | Deathface | i cant find much good stuff lol |
| 08:04.45 | Deathface | there |
| 08:06.14 | Zeal | i used to post there, but my info was making too many people pro so i got banned.. lol |
| 08:07.13 | Deathface | wow forums? |
| 08:08.18 | Skyfire | lol |
| 08:08.20 | Zeal | aye |
| 08:08.23 | Zeal | temp ban |
| 08:08.50 | Zeal | forget the bs reason they gave |
| 08:09.02 | Skyfire | oh well |
| 08:09.03 | Deathface | damn |
| 08:09.06 | Skyfire | ;) |
| 08:09.11 | Deathface | i dunno what a shot roatation is :( |
| 08:09.19 | Bagginsww | ?zeal you get banned from alot of places don't you? |
| 08:09.50 | Zeal | but i'm fairly sure it's because i called one person, in one post out of about 150 i made in that day, an idiot, even though i still helped him with his problem and i was then flamed across multiple topics for calling him an idiot. i didn't even rise to the flaming. |
| 08:09.56 | Zeal | not really Bagginsww |
| 08:10.11 | Bagginsww | I've never been banned from anywhere myself |
| 08:10.14 | Zeal | i usually avoid/leave such places before a ban happens :P |
| 08:10.37 | Zeal | sadly, i didn't realize how stupid the CMs are. |
| 08:10.50 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 08:11.34 | Bagginsww | there is a certain level of anti-criticism in warcraft forums... you have to mindlessly nod your head and agree with anything or not post at all |
| 08:12.43 | Skyfire | not really |
| 08:12.48 | Skyfire | check out the Mage forums |
| 08:12.51 | Skyfire | ^^ |
| 08:13.05 | Skyfire | or the Offtopic forums. |
| 08:13.09 | Skyfire | :] |
| 08:13.45 | Zeal | beleive it was something like "Using inappropriate and inflamatory language" |
| 08:14.24 | Skyfire | eh |
| 08:14.33 | Zeal | i beleive i called someone an idiot for asking a question, when there was 3 topics at the top of the forum with clear names on the same thing. |
| 08:14.47 | Skyfire | I've called ppl idiots... in any case, look at what fun cleaning up http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Feathermoon_US will be :] |
| 08:15.01 | Zeal | he didn't seem to care that i called him an idiot, and i still gave him the answer he was after. |
| 08:15.05 | Skyfire | lol |
| 08:15.21 | Zeal | but two people proceeded to start flaming me in other topics |
| 08:15.35 | Zeal | totally irelevent to the issue |
| 08:15.43 | Zeal | and i'm the one that gets banned.. gg. |
| 08:16.50 | Bibi`ouF | anyone from wowwiki staff here ? got a question |
| 08:16.58 | Bibi`ouF | well actually, maybe people can awnser |
| 08:17.09 | Bagginsww | taelen was 34 during lands of conflict, does that fit with current timeline at all? |
| 08:17.27 | Bibi`ouF | i seen a page about a boss (don't remember which one) where there was a link to an outside website with the strategy, is it allowed ? |
| 08:17.53 | Skyfire | yes |
| 08:17.56 | Skyfire | it is allowed |
| 08:18.04 | Bibi`ouF | hmmm k, thanks |
| 08:18.06 | Zeal | though it shouldn't be in the body of the article |
| 08:18.09 | Skyfire | though we prefer to keep people on-site, it is definitely allowed |
| 08:18.16 | Zeal | external links or notes at most. |
| 08:19.06 | Bagginsww | speaking of taelen fordring |
| 08:19.28 | Zeal | one sec |
| 08:19.41 | Zeal | listening to my music and rating |
| 08:19.50 | Zeal | and reading other forums, heh |
| 08:21.42 | Zeal | seems to fit ok Bagginsww |
| 08:22.06 | Zeal | makes him about 5 when the portal opened, in his teens during WC2 and in his 20's in the novel |
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| 08:28.34 | Skyfire | Zeal, how exactly does {{elinks}} work now? :/ |
| 08:29.10 | Zeal | {{Elinks|links=<other elinks templates and custom links with bullets>}} |
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| 08:29.51 | Skyfire | why the bullets? that's what I don't get |
| 08:30.00 | Zeal | eg. {{Elinks|links={{Elinks-item|1234}}*[http://www.google.com Fucking Google It!]}} |
| 08:30.10 | Zeal | elinks always was a bulleted listed |
| 08:30.15 | Zeal | see no reason to change that |
| 08:30.25 | Skyfire | no haha dont want it changes |
| 08:30.26 | Skyfire | d* |
| 08:30.33 | Zeal | and it is a list of links, so it's smentically correct |
| 08:31.00 | Zeal | *semantically or w/e |
| 08:34.40 | Bagginsww | Hellfire Peninsula. This great tract of land spreads before the distant Black Citadel."S&L 150 |
| 08:35.09 | Skyfire | oh boy |
| 08:38.47 | Zeal | rofl Bagginsww |
| 08:39.11 | Zeal | so now according to S&L (with backing of authors) BT is in HP :p |
| 08:39.18 | Zeal | gg @ fail |
| 08:39.40 | Bagginsww | ya book was definitely based on warcraft 3 |
| 08:39.53 | Bagginsww | it talks about the Islands connected with black chains |
| 08:40.00 | Bagginsww | which was how it was in TFT |
| 08:40.55 | Bagginsww | The green havens it talks about is likely the Warden Shadowsong's forests |
| 08:41.11 | Bagginsww | or "base" |
| 08:41.13 | Zeal | O_o |
| 08:41.14 | Bagginsww | if you want to call it that |
| 08:41.37 | Zeal | green haven in HP or in Outland? |
| 08:41.52 | Bagginsww | its unspecific location |
| 08:41.57 | Zeal | as if it's outland, it's terrokar, zangar marsh and nagrand |
| 08:41.57 | Bagginsww | all over outland |
| 08:42.06 | Bagginsww | probalby not zanger |
| 08:42.10 | Bagginsww | well parts of zangar maybe |
| 08:42.14 | Zeal | it's green.. |
| 08:42.15 | Zeal | lol |
| 08:42.17 | Bagginsww | its blue |
| 08:42.24 | Bagginsww | and shrooms have always been native |
| 08:42.28 | Bagginsww | used to be alot in hellfire |
| 08:42.31 | Skyfire | lolshroomz |
| 08:42.34 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 08:42.46 | Skyfire | yah, i remember wc2... :] |
| 08:42.54 | Skyfire | loved cutting down the shroomz |
| 08:42.57 | Bagginsww | but ya I think terrokar has probably been repaired |
| 08:43.09 | Bagginsww | and ngrand has grown back, but no druids there? |
| 08:43.20 | Bagginsww | well maybe some lost ones druids? |
| 08:43.27 | Bagginsww | me too skyfire |
| 08:43.35 | Bagginsww | I miss the red shrooms of hellfire |
| 08:43.59 | Bagginsww | only a couple along the margins between the marsh :( |
| 08:44.15 | Skyfire | ... of course, I also miss the Mages of wc1 too ;P |
| 08:44.26 | Bagginsww | blades edge has alot of druid intervention |
| 08:44.32 | Bagginsww | huge quest line talks about it |
| 08:44.40 | Bagginsww | how they are growing forests there |
| 08:44.56 | Bagginsww | conjurers ftw |
| 08:45.09 | Bagginsww | I want summon scorpion :p |
| 08:45.13 | Bagginsww | and real invisibility |
| 08:45.30 | Skyfire | yarly |
| 08:46.00 | Bagginsww | although I don't complain about invis too much its saved my life during wipes |
| 08:46.06 | Skyfire | ok, something quirky is going on with {{npcbox}}... |
| 08:46.10 | Skyfire | hah |
| 08:46.41 | Skyfire | on http://www.wowwiki.com/Blackhand , you can barely mouse over [[Maim]] under the relations category... |
| 08:47.02 | Skyfire | huh |
| 08:48.11 | amro | what do you mean? |
| 08:48.23 | Zeal | theres forrests in BEM too don't forget |
| 08:48.28 | Zeal | nice an green |
| 08:48.40 | amro | its working fine for me |
| 08:48.46 | Zeal | with teh birdy druids |
| 08:48.55 | Skyfire | huh |
| 08:49.11 | Zeal | oh ffs |
| 08:49.39 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 08:49.51 | Zeal | :p |
| 08:50.21 | Skyfire | ownt! |
| 08:52.19 | Bagginsww | torben... |
| 08:52.21 | Zeal | Skyfire, i see what you mean |
| 08:52.25 | Zeal | its always been liek that |
| 08:52.29 | Zeal | it's wowbox |
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| 08:52.30 | Zeal | its shit |
| 08:52.59 | Zeal | you can't click anything that falls being the corner images |
| 08:53.04 | Zeal | *behind |
| 08:53.28 | Skyfire | lol |
| 08:53.34 | Zeal | some proper z-indexing should fix it |
| 08:53.37 | Skyfire | ok, glad it wasn't just me.... |
| 08:53.54 | Zeal | but there's no way i'm doing it, as i want the thing dead |
| 08:54.29 | Skyfire | what would you have it replaced with? :o |
| 08:54.50 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Citadel_Vs._Temple needs some formating but that pic should be included too |
| 08:55.11 | Zeal | {{tooltip}} part of what it was designed for |
| 08:55.13 | Bagginsww | and maybe the black and white world map that shows "hellfire citadel" |
| 08:55.44 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Citadel_Vs._Temple |
| 08:55.52 | Zeal | or maybe clear those images :p |
| 08:55.54 | Zeal | too many |
| 08:55.54 | Zeal | lol |
| 08:55.56 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Draenor_map.jpg |
| 08:55.58 | Bagginsww | that one |
| 08:56.18 | Bagginsww | well its not too many if the discussino is to involve "hellfire citadel" |
| 08:56.34 | Bagginsww | but you can have a picture section at the bottom of the article |
| 08:56.36 | Skyfire | how do you fit the picture into a tooltip... |
| 08:56.38 | Bagginsww | or run them along the side |
| 08:56.50 | Zeal | replace the two wc2 maps with that one |
| 08:56.59 | Zeal | you don't skyfire |
| 08:58.11 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/NPC:Broxxigar |
| 08:58.15 | Skyfire | then you say, fuck da pictures? but then we will have no SSs, and it will fail |
| 08:58.19 | Skyfire | ;P |
| 08:58.57 | Skyfire | huh |
| 08:59.01 | Skyfire | that's ambitious |
| 08:59.04 | Zeal | contexual images stay in text. everything else fucks off down the side |
| 09:01.26 | Bagginsww | ok grey map is probably best if one wc2 map is needed |
| 09:01.36 | Bagginsww | i'd also recommend tossing in a WoW map too |
| 09:02.02 | Zeal | wow map? |
| 09:02.04 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Hellfirepeninsulamapbeta.jpg |
| 09:02.24 | Zeal | it's not in the article.. |
| 09:03.48 | Bagginsww | I said it should be added |
| 09:03.55 | Bagginsww | *toss it in |
| 09:04.20 | Zeal | oh |
| 09:04.21 | Zeal | sorry.. |
| 09:04.22 | Zeal | yeah |
| 09:04.24 | Zeal | kk |
| 09:07.05 | Skyfire | ok, who the fuck decided that [[Category:Plate Armor]] had to be that and not [[Category:Armor:Plate]]??? >:( |
| 09:08.15 | Zeal | not me, cos i'd have made it [[Category:Items (Armor, Plate)]] ;) |
| 09:08.34 | Bagginsww | need to put date of shadows and light into that article so people can see its older than BC |
| 09:08.52 | Bagginsww | 2004 |
| 09:09.06 | Skyfire | ah hush zeal. you can obviously tell this wiki has issues with proper naming -_- |
| 09:09.37 | Zeal | Bagginsww, i leave the writting of that to someone else for now. i'll write my own stuff on it in my sandbox when i have the time, thne talk of bringing it into play. |
| 09:09.47 | Skyfire | It should actually be in [[Category:Plate]], which should be a sub-cate of [[Category:Armor]] -_- |
| 09:10.05 | Skyfire | which should be a sub-cat of [[Category:Items]] |
| 09:10.08 | Skyfire | argh |
| 09:10.22 | Zeal | what about plates? |
| 09:10.25 | Zeal | they're not in armour |
| 09:10.32 | Skyfire | huh? |
| 09:10.33 | Bagginsww | I made the changes |
| 09:10.34 | Skyfire | lol |
| 09:10.34 | Zeal | lol |
| 09:10.39 | Bagginsww | pretty minor |
| 09:10.43 | Skyfire | you are strange |
| 09:10.46 | Skyfire | ;P |
| 09:10.50 | Bagginsww | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.12 | Bagginsww | fill free to clean it up if you like |
| 09:11.28 | Bagginsww | ragestorm's line needs work imo |
| 09:11.29 | Bagginsww | [[Rise of the Horde]] seems to support the idea that the buildings are different, as the draenei Temple of Karabor is clearly renamed the Black Temple. {{Cite|RotH}} |
| 09:12.02 | Bagginsww | we don't have any clear idea they are "different", or " same", etc. |
| 09:12.09 | Bagginsww | its all speculation |
| 09:13.20 | Zeal | i don't see how Rise of the Horde makes them different |
| 09:13.30 | Bagginsww | someone should ask the qustion on the official wow forums and see if we can get another repsons |
| 09:13.45 | Bagginsww | rsie of the horde really doesn't say anything |
| 09:13.58 | Bagginsww | and we don't know if black citadel as a name has been entirley retconned out of history |
| 09:14.05 | Bagginsww | at least by the designers |
| 09:14.19 | Bagginsww | perhaps because it was too close to other black citadels in warcraft lore |
| 09:14.27 | Bagginsww | they even called naxx "black citadel" |
| 09:14.30 | Zeal | we know the Black Temple's complete history with a gap (though not really an lore hole) during the time the Black Citadel existed. |
| 09:14.32 | Bagginsww | in the files |
| 09:15.23 | Zeal | we know Hellfire Citadel's complete history except for a gap during the same time (though once again, not really a lore hole). |
| 09:15.38 | Zeal | we know nothing of the Black Citedal before or after TFT. |
| 09:16.04 | Bagginsww | pretty much ya |
| 09:16.20 | Bagginsww | just a tiny bit of "after tft" |
| 09:16.41 | Bagginsww | and a description that sounds awefully like ones made for black temple :p |
| 09:16.48 | Zeal | except that the RPG continues to use BC and has never mentioned BT, and when it does mention BC, it's in Hellfire peninsula and is discribed from a pre-wow understanding |
| 09:17.20 | Bagginsww | ya which we have to consider the writing was finished sometime before shadowmoon valley was released in beta |
| 09:17.31 | Bagginsww | so it could have "slipped through" |
| 09:17.44 | Bagginsww | maybe a future book will clarify further |
| 09:17.45 | Zeal | aye |
| 09:18.19 | Zeal | honestly, if it's BC -> BT then i'll be annoyed, as i find it least likely to fit |
| 09:18.25 | Zeal | *fit existing lore |
| 09:18.27 | Bagginsww | I agree |
| 09:18.43 | Bagginsww | personally I'd rather its not hellfire citadel either... the construction style is way different |
| 09:19.01 | Bagginsww | the three zigguarts in TFT is way different than old school horde fortress style |
| 09:19.32 | Bagginsww | I'd personally rather the Citadel was destroyed sometime between S&L, and BC, ;) |
| 09:19.42 | Skyfire | lol |
| 09:19.43 | Bagginsww | or maybe the steps around black portal could be the citadel |
| 09:19.49 | Skyfire | so where did black temple come from :P |
| 09:19.55 | Skyfire | or HC, for that matter |
| 09:20.03 | Bagginsww | fortress shadowmoon likely |
| 09:20.18 | Bagginsww | which was located in the general same spot |
| 09:20.29 | Bagginsww | how it got the name "black" |
| 09:20.35 | Bagginsww | that's the real question |
| 09:21.28 | Bagginsww | there are also whole sections of northern hellfire penninsula that are simply gone now except for a series of small islands in WOW |
| 09:21.42 | Bagginsww | including that small alliance base |
| 09:22.11 | Skyfire | guess that's what happens when you blow a world up ;P |
| 09:22.14 | Bagginsww | anyone remember reading the humorous mention that that base sometimes flips over? |
| 09:22.18 | Skyfire | things can move when that happens |
| 09:22.20 | Bagginsww | and people have to hold on |
| 09:22.35 | Bagginsww | ya skyfire |
| 09:23.32 | Skyfire | which is part of the problem with this entire issue |
| 09:23.40 | Skyfire | :x |
| 09:24.20 | Zeal | BT = Draenei Temple of Karabor (Home of Velen) before the horde attacked. Guldan named it the Black Temple and took residence there. After Gul'dan left for Azeroth, Ner'zhul took it over nad named it Fortress Shadowmoon, named after his clan. <gap> Illidan now resides there with the illdari and it's called the Black Temple again. |
| 09:25.14 | Bagginsww | unless they forgot the "fortress shadowmoon" bit... just calling it a fortress doesn't mean they remember it was called "shadowmon" :p |
| 09:25.45 | Zeal | well ofc, it being called BT earlier is from RotH, fortress shadowmoon is from earlier soruces. |
| 09:25.48 | Zeal | so tha'ts a retcon issue |
| 09:26.09 | Bagginsww | it was also, the "prime staging ground for the Burning Legion's campaign of destruction" at one point too |
| 09:26.17 | Zeal | aye |
| 09:26.35 | Bagginsww | which would imply magtheridon's "prime staging ground" as he was the lord of outland at hte time |
| 09:26.59 | Bagginsww | and zeal ya htere maybe retcon issues |
| 09:27.22 | Bagginsww | we need a Fortress Shadowmoon article too heh heh |
| 09:27.40 | Bagginsww | I mean seperate it from black temple |
| 09:27.46 | Skyfire | .... |
| 09:27.52 | Skyfire | ok... here's the mmo to kill WoW |
| 09:27.55 | Skyfire | just guess |
| 09:27.58 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 09:28.12 | Skyfire | MMO - Legos |
| 09:28.16 | Skyfire | :O |
| 09:28.23 | Skyfire | forrealz |
| 09:28.23 | Bagginsww | lego mmo? |
| 09:28.30 | Skyfire | http://razorwire.warcry.com/news/view/69293-NetDevil-making-Lego-MMO |
| 09:28.41 | Bagginsww | gg |
| 09:28.48 | Skyfire | :D |
| 09:29.22 | Skyfire | actually, to be serious, I think the game that will draw the most consumers from WoW will be Darkfall |
| 09:29.23 | Zeal | we don't Bagginsww |
| 09:29.26 | Skyfire | :O |
| 09:29.38 | Zeal | Fortress Shadowmoon is confirmed as Black Temple |
| 09:29.43 | Zeal | they share the exact same history. |
| 09:30.17 | winkiller | Skyfire: ^Dark...waht? |
| 09:30.24 | Bagginsww | well I mean it should be split and given more detailed explanation from warcraft II if there was one. |
| 09:30.47 | Skyfire | "Darkfall" |
| 09:31.02 | Skyfire | pretty much a better version of WoW from what I can tell |
| 09:31.06 | Bagginsww | and we don't know if "shadowmoon fortress" is an official term now |
| 09:31.13 | Skyfire | except withtout the franchise behind it |
| 09:31.48 | Bagginsww | granted its the worst of the issues |
| 09:31.56 | Bagginsww | and probably work how we have it now |
| 09:32.21 | Bagginsww | maybe some quests will clear things up too ;) |
| 09:32.47 | Bagginsww | although so far only refrence to black temple in game has been refrence to it once being called "Temple of Karabor" |
| 09:33.01 | Bagginsww | at least from what I've found |
| 09:34.25 | Bagginsww | gg, its 1;34... I need to go to sleep |
| 09:34.34 | Bagginsww | what have I done LOL |
| 09:34.47 | Skyfire | put zeal to sleep, I think |
| 09:35.34 | Zeal | Which is what Fortress Shadowmoon once was |
| 09:35.56 | Zeal | and if that's not true.. you get a smack because it's from you.. |
| 09:36.22 | Bagginsww | Zeal I think we agree fortress shadowmoon and black temple are the same |
| 09:36.43 | Zeal | don't care about agreement, care about facts :p |
| 09:36.48 | Bagginsww | I'm just curious if the term "fortress shadowmoon" is still in designer's vocab |
| 09:37.08 | Bagginsww | or if it went from karabor to "black temple" and nothing in between |
| 09:37.22 | Bagginsww | that is all other terms retconned from history |
| 09:37.59 | Bagginsww | considering "fortess shadowmoon" is a very obscure term. |
| 09:38.25 | Skyfire | where exactly does it come from? |
| 09:38.40 | Zeal | wc2 i'm guessing |
| 09:38.47 | Skyfire | me too, but i dont... |
| 09:38.50 | Bagginsww | one map in WC2 expansion |
| 09:38.56 | Skyfire | oh... one map |
| 09:38.57 | Skyfire | lol |
| 09:38.58 | Bagginsww | and not sure about the quests |
| 09:39.03 | Zeal | and irregardless if it's removedform their vocab, it is part of the history. |
| 09:39.05 | Bagginsww | trying to check on that right now |
| 09:39.24 | Bagginsww | well it snot part of history if their history is that it was black temple from the time of ROTH up to current times |
| 09:39.36 | Bagginsww | warcraft II novel might clear things up |
| 09:39.42 | Zeal | it's one worth mentioning |
| 09:39.42 | Bagginsww | or make things worse LOL |
| 09:39.52 | Zeal | rofl |
| 09:40.04 | Zeal | fixed some problems but create new ones i'm sure |
| 09:40.08 | Bagginsww | well even if its' tossed out we would stil have to mention it |
| 09:40.42 | Zeal | *fix |
| 09:40.42 | Zeal | aye |
| 09:40.42 | Zeal | retcon should never mean removal of the past info |
| 09:41.04 | Zeal | just that the article is written with the newest info and the old info is mentioned and explained how/why it's changed |
| 09:41.47 | Bagginsww | even history of the "Fortres sof Auchindoun" doesn't even seem the same |
| 09:41.56 | Bagginsww | Kurdran]]- Gryphon Rider of Northeron - has returned from his patrol |
| 09:41.57 | Bagginsww | with vital news. He has located the hidden Fortress of Auchindoun and |
| 09:41.57 | Bagginsww | the battlements that serve as stronghold to the Bleeding Hollow clan. |
| 09:41.57 | Bagginsww | Alleria's Rangers also report that they have seen a massive force |
| 09:41.57 | Bagginsww | moving towards the North, and suspect that these troops are staging |
| 09:41.57 | Bagginsww | for another attack upon Azeroth. Although the Orcish army is too large |
| 09:42.00 | Bagginsww | for your forces to battle alone, you may be able to launch a raid |
| 09:42.01 | Bagginsww | against Auchindoun. Should your strike succeed, you would force their |
| 09:42.03 | Bagginsww | army to retreat - or be cut off and destroyed. Raze the Fortress of |
| 09:42.05 | Bagginsww | Auchindoun and retreat before their forces can rally against you. |
| 09:43.22 | Bagginsww | Seeking out the artifacts needed to seal the rift has given the Horde |
| 09:43.22 | Bagginsww | time to mount a strike against us. A great Orcish armada threatens |
| 09:43.22 | Bagginsww | the coasts that you have captured, and the armies of the Alliance have |
| 09:43.22 | Bagginsww | been hard pressed on many fronts. Our only chance for victory now lies |
| 09:43.23 | Bagginsww | in obtaining the Book of Medivh. All knowledge of the Portal rests in |
| 09:43.23 | Bagginsww | the keeping of Ner'zhul and his Order of Death Knights at the Fortress |
| 09:43.24 | Bagginsww | of Shadowmoon. You must storm and raze the strongholds that guard the |
| 09:43.26 | Bagginsww | coastline of his lands so that our forces may be brought to bear in an |
| 09:43.28 | Bagginsww | effort to isolate and destroy his cursed sanctuary. |
| 09:43.50 | Bagginsww | The towering spires of Shadowmoon reach upwards as obsidian blades to |
| 09:43.50 | Bagginsww | cleave the hostile amber skies above. The corrupt heart of the mighty |
| 09:43.50 | Bagginsww | Shaman's power is within reach. Press your attack and the bane of |
| 09:43.50 | Bagginsww | Ner'zuhl and his Order of Death Knights will be wiped from the face of |
| 09:43.51 | Bagginsww | Draenor, forever. By destroying this dark fortress and claiming the |
| 09:43.53 | Bagginsww | Book of Medivh, Khadgar will be able to close the rift and Azeroth |
| 09:43.55 | Bagginsww | will be rid of the Orcish Hordes once and for all! |
| 09:43.57 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Beyond_the_Dark_Portal_missions |
| 09:43.59 | Bagginsww | enouh of that |
| 09:44.36 | Bagginsww | story wise, "fortress shadowmoon" was "wiped out" LOL |
| 09:44.56 | Bagginsww | in warcraft II I mean |
| 09:45.12 | Bagginsww | Although the Fortress of Ner'zuhl has been destroyed and the Death |
| 09:45.12 | Bagginsww | Knights scattered, neither the Shaman nor the Book of Medivh has been |
| 09:45.12 | Bagginsww | found. |
| 09:46.06 | Zeal | ... |
| 09:46.18 | Zeal | wtf? was thata paste mistake or you typed ?:S |
| 09:46.39 | Bagginsww | nope form the quest logs |
| 09:46.51 | Bagginsww | it says fortresss shadowmon was destroyed |
| 09:46.57 | Skyfire | no |
| 09:47.05 | Skyfire | it said destroy fortress shadowmoon ;p |
| 09:47.10 | Bagginsww | next quest |
| 09:47.14 | Bagginsww | says it was destroyed |
| 09:47.15 | Skyfire | aha |
| 09:47.30 | Zeal | didn't WC" play from both angles? |
| 09:47.31 | Skyfire | there was a horde campaign in the exp, right? |
| 09:47.34 | Zeal | *2 |
| 09:47.35 | Skyfire | lol |
| 09:47.36 | Bagginsww | no |
| 09:47.39 | Bagginsww | in expansion |
| 09:47.40 | Zeal | and not all events really happened |
| 09:47.42 | Bagginsww | there was only one angle |
| 09:47.43 | Bagginsww | in outland |
| 09:47.45 | Zeal | ah |
| 09:47.45 | Skyfire | shhh zzeal |
| 09:47.48 | Bagginsww | well draenor |
| 09:47.57 | Bagginsww | the alliance campaign took place in draenor |
| 09:47.57 | Skyfire | just Alliance side in exp? |
| 09:48.01 | Zeal | well that's likely what the ruins of shadowmoon are |
| 09:48.02 | Bagginsww | the orc campaign took place in azeroth |
| 09:48.02 | Skyfire | oh yeah |
| 09:48.04 | Skyfire | i remember |
| 09:48.15 | Bagginsww | both stories intertwined |
| 09:48.23 | Bagginsww | correct order was to play orc then human |
| 09:48.28 | Skyfire | orc campaign had you "intruding into azeroth looking for ner'zhuls' articfacts" |
| 09:48.33 | Bagginsww | yep |
| 09:48.44 | Bagginsww | then the outcome of those artifacts lead into the human campaign |
| 09:48.48 | Skyfire | yup |
| 09:49.04 | Skyfire | chase the bastards. they jacked our stuff! :D |
| 09:49.19 | Bagginsww | warcraft II's original campaigns intertwined too but htey weren't chronological, they shared same time periods |
| 09:49.26 | Skyfire | so did wc1s |
| 09:49.28 | Skyfire | :x |
| 09:49.38 | Bagginsww | ya but WC1 didn't intertwine as well as wc2 |
| 09:49.41 | Bagginsww | it was more random missions |
| 09:49.42 | Skyfire | true |
| 09:49.52 | Bagginsww | wc2 at least made refrences to the other campaign's events |
| 09:50.00 | Skyfire | yea |
| 09:50.03 | Bagginsww | like zul'dare base is destroyed by alliance campaign |
| 09:50.12 | Bagginsww | and its mentioned in the horde campaign |
| 09:50.18 | Bagginsww | hat the alliance got to it |
| 09:50.22 | Bagginsww | so they decided to move on |
| 09:51.45 | Skyfire | yea] |
| 09:51.56 | Bagginsww | most people don't know that |
| 09:52.09 | Bagginsww | or haven't played the game and assume they aren't connected |
| 09:52.12 | Skyfire | eh, been a looooooong time since i played :x |
| 09:52.17 | Bagginsww | but you remember it ;) |
| 09:52.24 | Skyfire | lol |
| 09:52.30 | Bagginsww | someone needs to create a faq showing the links |
| 09:52.37 | Bagginsww | and where they finall diverge |
| 09:52.37 | Skyfire | lol |
| 09:52.59 | Bagginsww | best I can tell they diverge in the middle of the 4th act of each campaign in wc2 main campaign. |
| 09:53.01 | Zeal | there, page correctedededededed.. |
| 09:53.36 | Bagginsww | what did you change? |
| 09:54.45 | Zeal | BC disambig |
| 09:54.45 | Bagginsww | which part? |
| 09:54.45 | Zeal | removed fortress shadowmoon from BT |
| 09:54.45 | Zeal | *description |
| 09:54.45 | Bagginsww | ahh I see |
| 09:55.06 | Bagginsww | so you think we should split fortress shadowmoon into its own article and discuss its "distruction" there? |
| 09:55.12 | Zeal | dunno if you want to make [[Temple of Karabor]] as it's more accurate i guess |
| 09:55.29 | Bagginsww | I'd go with what its called in ROTH |
| 09:55.31 | Zeal | well i'm onyl going on what you tell me.. |
| 09:55.37 | Zeal | what's the history of the fortress? |
| 09:55.42 | Bagginsww | ahh well read it for yourself zeal |
| 09:55.52 | Bagginsww | I'll send you the link |
| 09:55.57 | Zeal | kk |
| 09:56.02 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Beyond_the_Dark_Portal_missions |
| 09:56.09 | Bagginsww | read the human campaign |
| 09:56.12 | Bagginsww | last 2-3 acts |
| 09:56.28 | Zeal | not having a go btw |
| 09:56.39 | Zeal | just saying, i've not seen the vidence of what you said originally |
| 09:56.46 | Skyfire | couldn't that be converted to <blockquote>...? xD |
| 09:56.49 | Zeal | *evidence |
| 09:57.18 | Bagginsww | ahh I was just copy and pasting that whole article is hard to copy paste |
| 09:57.45 | Bagginsww | read coast of bones, heart of evil, and siege of vanguard |
| 09:57.59 | Bagginsww | they discuss the fate of fortress shadowmoon |
| 09:58.21 | Bagginsww | specifically the first line of siege of the vanguard; |
| 09:58.27 | Bagginsww | Although the Fortress of Ner'zuhl has been destroyed and the Death |
| 09:58.27 | Bagginsww | Knights scattered, neither the Shaman nor the Book of Medivh has been |
| 09:58.27 | Bagginsww | found. |
| 09:59.06 | Bagginsww | the "fortress of ner'zhul", or 'fortress shadowmoon" is wiped out in "heart of evil" |
| 09:59.14 | Skyfire | stoooooooop baggins |
| 09:59.20 | Bagginsww | lool |
| 09:59.20 | Skyfire | don't quote that XD |
| 09:59.22 | Zeal | aye i know |
| 09:59.28 | Zeal | but no history of it before WC"? |
| 09:59.31 | Zeal | *WC2 |
| 09:59.36 | Zeal | or from the RPG? |
| 09:59.44 | Bagginsww | nope it was all created in beyond the dark portal |
| 09:59.56 | Bagginsww | and no its never mentioned again |
| 10:00.01 | Zeal | kk |
| 10:00.03 | Bagginsww | unless "shadowmoon ruins" |
| 10:00.06 | Bagginsww | is related |
| 10:00.12 | Bagginsww | but who knows |
| 10:00.15 | Zeal | insignificant and unrelated then i guess. |
| 10:00.24 | Bagginsww | pretty much |
| 10:00.32 | Zeal | until blizz decides to throw a spanner in thw works like usual.. |
| 10:00.36 | Zeal | *the |
| 10:00.37 | Bagginsww | which is why I think we should probably seperate it |
| 10:00.49 | Bagginsww | and maybe add it to the "black citadel" disambig for good measure |
| 10:01.00 | Zeal | don't think it needs to be on there |
| 10:01.06 | Zeal | but new article, sure. |
| 10:01.09 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 10:01.22 | Bagginsww | we should keep history as close to warcraft II history as possible |
| 10:01.25 | Zeal | well i already made the article |
| 10:01.25 | Bagginsww | until we get confirmation |
| 10:01.27 | Zeal | but yeah, lol |
| 10:01.30 | Bagginsww | of any retcons |
| 10:01.40 | Bagginsww | in other words the fortress should no longer exist heh heh |
| 10:02.10 | Zeal | "After Gul'dan and the Shadow Council moved their seat of power to Azeroth, it became the stronghold for Ner'zhul and the Shadowmoon clan, dubbed Fortress Shadowmoon." it's this i'm looking for a cite for.. |
| 10:02.12 | Bagginsww | although only reason I say add it to the dark citadel list is because there is enough people confused and think its related |
| 10:02.30 | Zeal | that was in the article long before i touched it |
| 10:02.31 | Bagginsww | yep that line is pure speculation |
| 10:02.36 | Zeal | kk then |
| 10:02.37 | Bagginsww | it was something added by someone else |
| 10:02.43 | Bagginsww | it was what i had added a fact check to |
| 10:03.12 | Bagginsww | we can say it was a fortress of ner'zhul's but not that it was "fortress shadowmoon" specificall |
| 10:04.14 | Zeal | does the wow site have a cite index? |
| 10:04.56 | *** join/#wowwiki Kaso (n=Kaso@resnet01.nat.lancs.ac.uk) |
| 10:04.58 | Zeal | well we don't even know if Ner'zhul was using it as a fortress yet |
| 10:05.04 | Zeal | we onyl knwo the small bits from RotH |
| 10:06.40 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Fortress_Shadowmoon |
| 10:07.21 | Skyfire | should prolly have where you got the info from |
| 10:07.37 | Skyfire | cited with [1] or with a ==See Also== |
| 10:08.14 | Bagginsww | interesting of note it calls it "ruins" in siege of vanguard too |
| 10:08.23 | Bagginsww | shadowmoon ruins technically LOL |
| 10:08.31 | Skyfire | lol |
| 10:09.39 | Zeal | just to make it clear quotations = citations. paraphasing = references ;) |
| 10:10.18 | Skyfire | w/e |
| 10:10.32 | Skyfire | ==See MLA Format== -_- |
| 10:10.38 | Zeal | citations = inline links. references = links for reference for the content of the page and see also links |
| 10:10.41 | Zeal | MLA? |
| 10:10.47 | Skyfire | modern language association |
| 10:10.59 | Zeal | okay.. |
| 10:11.09 | Skyfire | all of its in-text citations, and everything has a reference -_- |
| 10:11.40 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Fortress_Shadowmoon |
| 10:12.03 | Skyfire | yarrrr |
| 10:12.17 | Bagginsww | now to add the map |
| 10:12.26 | Bagginsww | that shows it |
| 10:12.30 | Skyfire | is that linked somewhere? don't want to get that bit lost :x |
| 10:12.51 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Draenor_map.jpg |
| 10:12.56 | Bagginsww | believe that's the only map |
| 10:12.58 | Bagginsww | that has it |
| 10:13.35 | Zeal | yeah, the MLA format is exactly practical in modern day cases funnily enough. |
| 10:13.39 | Zeal | *isn't |
| 10:13.49 | Zeal | especially not for the web |
| 10:14.00 | Skyfire | yeah, uh, i knew that... its still automatic though -_- |
| 10:14.15 | Zeal | and one for public audiences, where accuracy must be a priority. |
| 10:14.25 | Zeal | lol i'm not having a go at you btw |
| 10:14.28 | Skyfire | its bibliography is even termed "Sources Cited" |
| 10:14.34 | Zeal | it's jsut something the wiki needs to sort out |
| 10:14.35 | Bagginsww | web MLA format is actually pretty easy |
| 10:14.47 | Skyfire | didn't think you were ;P i'm lamenting over the stupid system more than anything |
| 10:14.53 | Zeal | and i was ment to arrange sorting out templates and policy for it a while ago.. >_>; |
| 10:16.16 | Zeal | think it's needed especially for accuracy, to differnciate between citing a source and referencing a source. |
| 10:16.42 | Zeal | the former being 100% accurate and doen in small doses to avoid plagerism. |
| 10:16.56 | Bagginsww | zeal its ok to mention "fortress for the then-mortal Ner'zhul" |
| 10:16.56 | Zeal | the latter being interpretation and done constantly. |
| 10:17.01 | Bagginsww | you removed that line |
| 10:17.05 | Zeal | hm? |
| 10:17.10 | Zeal | in BT article? |
| 10:17.19 | Zeal | there's nothing to say BT was his fortress |
| 10:17.26 | Zeal | so i removed it completely |
| 10:17.44 | Bagginsww | ya it does |
| 10:17.47 | Bagginsww | read the underdev |
| 10:17.50 | Bagginsww | I just quoted it :p |
| 10:18.02 | Bagginsww | Originally founded as a Draenei temple, this plot has been conquered and despoiled many times throughout the history of Outland, removing any spiritual grace it may have once held. The Black Temple has been the stage of the Orc Horde's blood curse, fortress for the then-mortal Ner'zhul, and a prime staging ground for the Burning Legion's campaign of destruction... Most recently, it has been claimed as home by Illidan, wher |
| 10:18.02 | Bagginsww | e he and his minions make their bid for power over the remnants of the shattered planet. Now, it is up to yo to face the malefic forces of Illidan and his minions in hopes of freeing Outland from chaos and tyranny. |
| 10:18.07 | Skyfire | whoa! |
| 10:18.15 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 10:18.27 | Zeal | leave that for the speculation article |
| 10:18.31 | Zeal | as it's 100% wrong atm |
| 10:19.06 | Skyfire | leave it somewhere, so you two don't forget about it -_- |
| 10:19.31 | Zeal | Ner'zhul didn't use it as a fortress from what lore we currently have, and even if he did it was destroyed (which it obviously isn't). |
| 10:19.47 | Zeal | it won't be forgotten in the speculation article :P |
| 10:20.04 | Zeal | Gul'Dan however, he did use it as his fortress |
| 10:20.18 | Zeal | and Ner'zhul was kept there in that time |
| 10:20.37 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 10:20.39 | Skyfire | yes, but did you already move the info, or did you just completely delete? that would be my concern -_- |
| 10:20.43 | Skyfire | it* |
| 10:20.47 | Bagginsww | not complete deleted |
| 10:20.57 | Zeal | it's like how S&L says Ner'zhul created BC (Though we know this is supposed to mean BT in the author's eyes) which is completely wrong. |
| 10:21.18 | Bagginsww | although temple vs. citadel needs further section on how people have tried to tie "fortress shadowmoon" into the equation |
| 10:21.26 | Zeal | sure |
| 10:21.42 | Zeal | as i said, i'll write my own when i get time, easier for me to contribute that way |
| 10:21.49 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 10:21.59 | Zeal | it'll be awfully written ofc |
| 10:22.09 | Zeal | but it will contain alot of facts and ideas :P |
| 10:22.17 | Bagginsww | I removed the second "fortress shadowmoon" map from the Black Temple article |
| 10:22.41 | Bagginsww | since was orphaned :p |
| 10:22.51 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Fortress_Shadowmoon |
| 10:24.07 | Zeal | aye |
| 10:24.27 | Zeal | don't worry, i'm constantly watching :p |
| 10:24.42 | Zeal | i need to make food |
| 10:25.18 | Zeal | all i've had since i got up 6 hours ago is a buttered roll.. |
| 10:26.06 | Skyfire | wow... a 1240 by 960 resolution's so small :o |
| 10:26.46 | Skyfire | or not |
| 10:26.49 | Skyfire | :x |
| 10:27.48 | amro | 1600x1200 ftw =) |
| 10:28.10 | Skyfire | lol guys |
| 10:28.12 | Skyfire | http://www.wowwiki.com/Lightbringer_Armor |
| 10:28.16 | Skyfire | :D |
| 10:30.27 | Zeal | 1280x1024 |
| 10:30.45 | Zeal | i used to use 1600x1200 on my 19" but using a 17" now.. |
| 10:30.52 | Zeal | i could hook up the other one.. but meh |
| 10:31.51 | Bagginsww | well gmorning :P |
| 10:31.58 | Bagginsww | must get sleep now |
| 10:32.04 | Bagginsww | 2:31 here :p |
| 10:32.05 | Zeal | lol |
| 10:32.12 | Zeal | 10:32am :p |
| 10:32.18 | Zeal | nn Bagginsww |
| 10:32.50 | Zeal | to make another warcraft music video today or not to.. that is the question |
| 10:33.08 | Zeal | think i shall decide after some food and tv.. |
| 10:33.10 | Zeal | bbl |
| 10:33.15 | amro | just one thing |
| 10:33.19 | amro | don't use linkin park |
| 10:33.23 | zeal | rofl |
| 10:33.28 | zeal | you don't like LP? |
| 10:33.50 | amro | In used to, but i kept hearing them all over the place |
| 10:33.54 | amro | now I hate them |
| 10:34.19 | Skyfire | eh, i like them |
| 10:34.19 | zeal | i wouldn't worry, i can thing of any of thier stuff i'd want to use for warcraft, their style doesn't fit at all. i alugh at people who would do such a thing. |
| 10:34.29 | zeal | *can't |
| 10:34.32 | Skyfire | omg, baggins lives on west coast! |
| 10:34.46 | Skyfire | eh, there are 1 or 2 songs that would work :x |
| 10:34.52 | zeal | oh? |
| 10:35.06 | Skyfire | not that'd i name them off the top of my head ;P |
| 10:35.14 | amro | its just that linkin park is used a lot in video game/anime music videos |
| 10:35.26 | zeal | well their music is fitting for many games |
| 10:35.30 | zeal | but not warcraft |
| 10:35.37 | zeal | and fitting for a few animes |
| 10:35.50 | amro | dragonforce works well for warcraft |
| 10:35.57 | zeal | mhm |
| 10:36.10 | zeal | i really need to get within temptation out of my system atm though :P |
| 10:36.25 | zeal | practically all their songs fit.. |
| 10:36.33 | zeal | but i'm jsut using the cream of the crop |
| 10:36.35 | Skyfire | ugh@dragonforce. all i ever here is dragonforce... looked em up on youtube, instantly hated the style... |
| 10:36.42 | zeal | lol |
| 10:36.48 | zeal | i like a few of their songs |
| 10:36.56 | zeal | and they're talented |
| 10:37.02 | Skyfire | no doubt |
| 10:37.03 | zeal | but nothing amazing |
| 10:37.29 | zeal | one you've heard about 3 of their song's, you've heard them all really. |
| 10:37.42 | amro | actually, their style differs from album to album |
| 10:37.47 | amro | but is the same within each album |
| 10:37.48 | zeal | no surprise out of the few i like, 2 sound exactly alike.. |
| 10:37.54 | Skyfire | lol |
| 10:38.05 | zeal | well i've got 3 of their albums |
| 10:38.14 | zeal | no idea what songs are from what |
| 10:38.26 | zeal | anyways, bbl |
| 10:38.27 | amro | the ones that sound alike are from the same album =P |
| 10:39.03 | amro | and Skyfire, their music videos suck. and the only concert videos up on youtube seem to be shot from cellphones |
| 10:39.11 | amro | ugh |
| 10:39.13 | amro | too slow |
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| 11:41.03 | dafire | hi |
| 11:42.10 | dafire | are the api event wiki pages somehow generated ? I think the PLAYER_FOCUS_CHANGED is missing |
| 11:47.57 | Zeal | they're not generated no |
| 11:48.05 | Zeal | so if you want to add it, please feel free. |
| 12:07.37 | amro | lol |
| 12:07.52 | amro | the guys at scrollsoflore are... something |
| 12:19.07 | Zeal | hm? |
| 12:19.17 | Zeal | please please, go on :P |
| 12:21.30 | amro | reading http://forums.scrollsoflore.com/showthread.php?t=1273 |
| 12:22.07 | amro | so far, you and kirkburn totally owned them |
| 12:26.21 | Zeal | indeed :p |
| 12:26.36 | Zeal | beleive adys also pops his head in, can't remember |
| 12:27.10 | amro | yeah |
| 12:27.11 | amro | "You know you're corrupting peoples minds right? Hundreds of people reference you, use your powers for good not evil! Repent of your sins, and you SHALL be saved saith the Light!" |
| 12:27.34 | amro | the problem is they don't understand wikis. or don't want to. |
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| 12:31.08 | Zeal | they don't evne understand lore |
| 12:36.08 | Zeal | http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h187/TheWarlordAramus/anti-emo.gif <-- lolz |
| 12:36.38 | Zeal | that spam had my name in it.. ffs.. |
| 12:36.41 | Zeal | *spam mail |
| 12:36.49 | Zeal | fucking ebay.. |
| 12:36.56 | Zeal | or amazon |
| 12:37.03 | Zeal | never found out which one got hacked.. |
| 12:37.44 | amro | where do I sign up for the anti-emo alliance? |
| 12:38.20 | amro | I use a seperate email address when signing up for some websites |
| 12:41.04 | Psyker7 | confusion over www.wowwiki.com/Template:Spelllink |
| 12:41.33 | Tekkub | I just use gishpuppy |
| 12:41.41 | Tekkub | every site gets it's own email addy :) |
| 12:41.49 | Zeal | i use a seperate identity for dodgy sites XD |
| 12:41.54 | Zeal | whats up Psyker7? |
| 12:42.01 | Tekkub | Me too Z... |
| 12:42.10 | Tekkub | my alterego is Billy Anyteen |
| 12:42.16 | Tekkub | at 123 Fake St. |
| 12:42.29 | Tekkub | Anytown, USA |
| 12:42.30 | Psyker7 | if the effect page doesn't exist yet.... it doesn't show up on {{tooltip}} so what should the spell page contain? can't find an example >.< |
| 12:42.44 | Psyker7 | lol |
| 12:43.05 | Zeal | Matthew Paul Samuels, 10 Pollard Lane, Chester, MD 21619-MD, United States ;) |
| 12:43.08 | amro | there's a boilerplate somewhere |
| 12:43.15 | Psyker7 | mks i'll keep looking =) |
| 12:43.34 | amro | it should be in the comments in the item boilerplate |
| 12:43.43 | Psyker7 | nah... |
| 12:43.48 | Zeal | what a spell page should contains.. that's adys's department i'm afraid |
| 12:43.57 | Psyker7 | <!-- <effecttype>: {{Spelllink|<Spell ID>}} --><!-- Make sure you set effect to no value --><!-- Use a line break (<br />) to list multiple effects --> |
| 12:43.57 | Zeal | i only made the template to fit what he had in place : / |
| 12:44.05 | Psyker7 | not a hell of a lot of help :P |
| 12:44.35 | Zeal | that's not there to explain spell link and spell pages.. so no, it's not helpful for that |
| 12:44.35 | amro | Psyker7: try looking at an existing spell page |
| 12:44.40 | Psyker7 | got it: http://www.wowwiki.com/Boilerplate:Spell_Template |
| 12:44.47 | amro | :) |
| 12:46.41 | Psyker7 | ok now im confused.... the spell page did exist... but {{tooltip}} didn't link it.... |
| 12:46.42 | Psyker7 | bah! |
| 12:47.05 | amro | you sure you did everything right? |
| 12:47.17 | Psyker7 | double checking now :) |
| 12:48.55 | Zeal | effect=|elink=User: {{Spelllink|1}} for example. |
| 12:48.59 | Zeal | *Use |
| 12:49.44 | Zeal | i hate having to do stuff with paired params, one empty, just to register it's desired.. |
| 12:49.58 | Zeal | but sadly its the only way to do it without parser functions |
| 12:51.49 | Psyker7 | hrm... might update ur {{tooltip}} with a bit more doco then :) got it sorted now |
| 12:52.26 | Psyker7 | or the boilerplate.... or both.... |
| 12:53.07 | Zeal | it's documented both on the template and in the comment you posted.. you just didn't do it >_> |
| 12:54.00 | Zeal | gah! |
| 12:54.31 | Zeal | another thing.. please can you remove the xhtml comments when you actually make a page :P |
| 12:54.58 | Psyker7 | hehe can do |
| 12:55.30 | Psyker7 | all of them? or just the ones through the tooltip |
| 12:55.39 | Zeal | all plz |
| 12:55.41 | Zeal | hm.. |
| 12:55.48 | Zeal | is elinks mising form the boilerplate!? :S |
| 12:56.24 | Zeal | no it's not, you forgot that part.. >_> |
| 12:56.51 | amro | hm should http://www.wowwiki.com/Colere be moved to Colere's userspace? |
| 12:57.15 | Psyker7 | sif look at my contribs :P |
| 12:58.01 | Psyker7 | i learn by doing and u went and did it all for me :( |
| 12:58.04 | Zeal | my opinion in no way reflects wowwiki's policy or opinions.. no amro ;) |
| 12:58.16 | Zeal | sorry psyker :p |
| 12:58.29 | Psyker7 | i'll survive.... once i've got one done :) |
| 13:03.08 | Zeal | bah.. |
| 13:03.11 | Zeal | stupid fans.. |
| 13:04.29 | Zeal | lyric sites are using incorrect lyrics because of stupid within temptation fans who have no ears.. |
| 13:04.57 | Zeal | how do you get "heaven" from "hell"? come on! |
| 13:04.59 | Zeal | gah |
| 13:05.05 | amro | I've seen worse |
| 13:05.21 | Zeal | and "santus, espiritus" is not latin! >_< |
| 13:05.24 | amro | I wonder why they post incoherent sentences. If it doesn't make sense chances are you misheard |
| 13:05.34 | Zeal | it's Sanctus et spiritus |
| 13:05.45 | Zeal | aye amro |
| 13:07.01 | Psyker7 | aah i see how i screwed up with the elinks :) the line breaks made me think use one or the other >.< |
| 13:07.55 | Zeal | <!-- Make sure you set effect to no value --> is the important part :P |
| 13:08.30 | Zeal | and it doesn't need to be on one line btw, i was just doing that cos it's irc. doesn't make any difference though. |
| 13:09.00 | Psyker7 | yeah, but the fact it was broken is what confused me :) |
| 13:09.12 | amro | "This article uses a depreciated template" |
| 13:09.25 | Zeal | hm amro? |
| 13:09.47 | Zeal | if there's a banner, it's likely the bc stub boilerplate |
| 13:10.33 | Zeal | i marked it for speedydeletion.. as no page using it contains any info |
| 13:10.34 | amro | oh goddamit |
| 13:10.48 | amro | stupid kde clipboard |
| 13:10.58 | amro | weird stuff always ends up getting pasted |
| 13:10.58 | Zeal | lol |
| 13:11.58 | Zeal | only =! all >_< |
| 13:12.01 | Zeal | deaf people.. |
| 13:13.37 | Zeal | omg.. how do you get "'Cause the spped of me is jaded" from "'Cause it's leading me a stray" sure it sounds similar, but it's fairly clear to the ear its not the same.. |
| 13:13.46 | Zeal | astray? w/e |
| 13:17.14 | Zeal | "you're far from the door now |
| 13:17.30 | Zeal | " from "You've opened the door now" >_> |
| 13:18.21 | Zeal | "Don't turn me down" from "Don't tear me down" which is a easy mistake i guess. |
| 13:18.33 | Zeal | i wish there was a wiki based lyrics site.. |
| 13:18.52 | Zeal | sure you all do too, so i don't keep talking about this here.. lol |
| 13:19.04 | amro | yeah but then but you look something up |
| 13:19.15 | amro | and you get ONLY FAGS LISTEN TO ARTIST X LOLZ |
| 13:19.21 | Zeal | haha |
| 13:19.26 | Zeal | aye, would be open for abuse |
| 13:19.37 | Zeal | but no more thna any wiki really. |
| 13:19.41 | amro | yeah |
| 13:19.54 | amro | with enough decent people around, it should be okay like most other wikis |
| 13:21.19 | Zeal | would be a worth while new wiki for the wiki foundation to run. |
| 13:26.25 | Zeal | http://www.lyricswiki.org/ <-- not a wiki! lies!!! |
| 13:26.55 | Zeal | http://www.lyricwiki.org/Main_Page <-- that is however |
| 13:26.55 | Zeal | lol |
| 13:27.22 | Zeal | as is http://lyriki.com/Main_Page |
| 13:28.14 | amro | oh great, now people are using wiki as a buzzword |
| 13:28.40 | Zeal | aye |
| 13:28.57 | amro | LyricWiki.org looks good |
| 13:28.59 | Zeal | fucking.. argh people need to learn to use categories well.. |
| 13:29.02 | Zeal | aye |
| 13:29.08 | Zeal | very basic though |
| 13:29.16 | Zeal | there should be a category for each artist.. |
| 13:29.58 | amro | yeah |
| 13:30.03 | amro | I assumed there would be |
| 13:30.08 | amro | categorized into genres as well |
| 13:30.48 | Zeal | hm.. both sites use a similar markup for their pages |
| 13:30.55 | Zeal | <lyric> and song.. |
| 13:31.09 | Zeal | why the hell they use a template for cat links i don't know.. weird |
| 13:32.15 | amro | the layout is consistent however. categorization could be done by a bot |
| 13:32.43 | Zeal | aye |
| 13:33.04 | Zeal | the categorize letters seperately.. cats already handle all that, rather silly imo : / |
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| 13:46.20 | Zeal | anyways.. before i start rewtitting their templates i think i'll look for some relevent policies.. lol |
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| 13:51.34 | zdfh | Hey!! |
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| 13:52.20 | Zeal | greetings Sjollema |
| 13:52.22 | Zeal | wb Tekkub |
| 13:52.35 | Tekkub | moo |
| 13:52.48 | mxs | beef ! |
| 13:52.58 | Zeal | ok.. well seems there no policy on categories, so i think i'll just rewrite their templates mwuauahahahahaha |
| 13:53.19 | Zeal | nah, not that crazy.. |
| 13:53.33 | Zeal | but it's going on their village pump |
| 14:02.07 | Sjollema | Errmm |
| 14:02.13 | Sjollema | Me and a few friends |
| 14:02.21 | Sjollema | Went into Gnomeregan |
| 14:02.31 | Sjollema | And when we went into the instance |
| 14:02.40 | Sjollema | There was nothing |
| 14:02.42 | Sjollema | Litrally |
| 14:02.45 | Sjollema | No mobs |
| 14:04.41 | Tekkub | hax |
| 14:07.54 | Psyker7 | if it is now its because servers are down? ^.^ |
| 14:09.13 | Zeal | lol |
| 14:09.16 | Zeal | likely |
| 14:09.35 | Sjollema | No, it was last night |
| 14:09.44 | Sjollema | Openened a ticket |
| 14:09.59 | Sjollema | But Natheros just said that it was server sided |
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| 14:15.24 | Psyker7 | well i've had my crazy wowwiki night ... time for bed :) |
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| 14:25.48 | Zeal | nn Psyker7 |
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| 14:42.54 | amro | http://www.wowwiki.com/Here ? |
| 15:24.19 | Tekkub | lolz im in ur wiki reverting ur editz |
| 15:24.30 | Tepetkhet | hah |
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| 16:39.27 | Pierre_N | Allo allo |
| 16:39.40 | Tuqui-tuqui | yello o/ |
| 16:40.03 | Pierre_N | is this just for the wow-wiki, or general wow chat? I need some noob advice ;) |
| 16:40.22 | Tuqui-tuqui | this is the wow wiki chat but you can ask anything :D |
| 16:41.14 | Pierre_N | heh - well I'm a level 15 mage, and I completed a few quests in Westfall with people a few levels higher than me - now I'm in a weird position where I can't complete any quests by myself because they're too hard |
| 16:41.33 | Tuqui-tuqui | ahhh... |
| 16:41.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | what color are the quests? |
| 16:41.58 | Pierre_N | so, should I go to Loch Modan and quest there (by myself) ? err, yellow |
| 16:42.06 | Pierre_N | but my mage is soooo fragile |
| 16:42.13 | Pierre_N | maybe mage was the wrong choice |
| 16:42.14 | Tuqui-tuqui | im a mage as well |
| 16:42.22 | Pierre_N | does it get better later on? |
| 16:42.24 | Tuqui-tuqui | and Ive always soloed |
| 16:42.42 | Tuqui-tuqui | you mean easier? |
| 16:42.44 | Tuqui-tuqui | no it doesnt |
| 16:42.54 | Pierre_N | heh. |
| 16:43.03 | Tuqui-tuqui | it becomes more FUN |
| 16:43.05 | Hobinheim|work | you chould go back to your yellow zone |
| 16:43.07 | Pierre_N | lol |
| 16:43.12 | Hobinheim|work | or just keep toughing it out |
| 16:43.16 | Tuqui-tuqui | yeah |
| 16:43.23 | Hobinheim|work | that's really the only answer |
| 16:43.23 | Tuqui-tuqui | bes thing to do it to try again and again |
| 16:43.25 | Pierre_N | ok :) I'll try get to lvl 18 then head back to Westfall |
| 16:43.49 | Hobinheim|work | orange is like "i need help" and red is like "i'm actually joana and i'm playing a bm hunter not a mage" |
| 16:43.59 | Tuqui-tuqui | heh Hobinheim|work |
| 16:44.02 | Pierre_N | hehehe |
| 16:44.17 | Zeal | loch modan is around that level and below tbh |
| 16:44.30 | Zeal | about 13-19 iirc |
| 16:44.39 | Pierre_N | Tuqui-tuqui: wrt the mage talents - I'm going for all the frost options, is that ok? |
| 16:45.09 | Tuqui-tuqui | im full frost myself |
| 16:45.22 | Pierre_N | super dooper. thanks! |
| 16:45.48 | Tuqui-tuqui | remember full frost is about surviving to kill |
| 16:46.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Morning |
| 16:46.31 | Pierre_N | which class can do magic && use a sword? Is that asking too much? |
| 16:46.51 | Hobinheim|work | i wonder what full arcane is like |
| 16:46.56 | Hobinheim|work | mage and warlock |
| 16:46.59 | Hobinheim|work | 1H swords |
| 16:47.18 | Pierre_N | ooh. |
| 16:47.23 | Zeal | gief runemaster plx.. |
| 16:47.46 | Pierre_N | my human mage has a sword icon on the 1st page of his spellbook, but I can't seem to find one I can yield. But then again I don't want to get that close to stuff to actually use a sword |
| 16:48.06 | Pierre_N | because bonking stuff on the head with my staff wasn't that great. |
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| 16:48.39 | Hobinheim|work | Pierre_N, thats sword specialization |
| 16:48.42 | Hobinheim|work | which is a talent |
| 16:48.45 | Hobinheim|work | err skill |
| 16:48.46 | Hobinheim|work | w/e |
| 16:48.59 | Pierre_N | err. |
| 16:48.59 | Hobinheim|work | which is seperate from being able to equip swords... |
| 16:49.06 | Pierre_N | so what's the point? |
| 16:49.06 | Hobinheim|work | anyway, you should concentrate on using spells |
| 16:49.26 | Hobinheim|work | staves probably have higher damage than the swords you can access |
| 16:49.33 | Pierre_N | I should concentrate on not getting killed :) |
| 16:49.49 | Pierre_N | frost nova + run back + zap zap zap |
| 16:49.50 | Hobinheim|work | along the line, there will be a time when a sword serves its purpose for you, but at your level and 99% of the time, staves is where its at |
| 16:51.36 | Pierre_N | and cloth armour, hrrm. |
| 16:51.41 | Pierre_N | what's shadow weave? |
| 16:51.56 | Pierre_N | *armor |
| 16:52.15 | Zeal | hey Kirkburn|afk |
| 16:52.37 | Pierre_N | oh, shadow cloth |
| 16:52.47 | Zeal | i've found a new wiki to trouble atm Hobinheim|work and Kirkburn|afk ;) |
| 16:52.59 | Kirkburn|afk | :O |
| 16:53.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Not the lyricswiki? |
| 16:53.14 | Zeal | indeed |
| 16:53.19 | Kirkburn|afk | God save them all ;) |
| 16:54.03 | Hobinheim|work | Kirkburn|afk, how did you guess? |
| 16:54.14 | Kirkburn|afk | I read up :P |
| 16:54.15 | Hobinheim|work | that was ... quite oracle-ish of you |
| 16:54.34 | Hobinheim|work | oracle... that's a neat class name |
| 16:54.46 | Zeal | lol |
| 16:54.50 | Hobinheim|work | a monk is so... rogue-ish |
| 16:54.59 | Hobinheim|work | a tenth class would be so romantic but SO impossible |
| 16:55.10 | Zeal | ok, not to start suggesting.. |
| 16:55.22 | Pierre_N | what are druids / shaman like? |
| 16:55.43 | Tuqui-tuqui | jack of all aces |
| 16:55.45 | Tepetkhet | Druids and shaman are versatile. |
| 16:55.46 | Tuqui-tuqui | masters of none |
| 16:55.49 | Tuqui-tuqui | :D |
| 16:55.57 | Tepetkhet | Druids are the sweetheart class right now. |
| 16:56.01 | Tuqui-tuqui | true |
| 16:56.06 | Hobinheim|work | druid = shift into different play styles |
| 16:56.07 | Tuqui-tuqui | but theyre getting nerfed |
| 16:56.09 | Zeal | namespaces, artist and album cats, a standard format for the lyrics (duets, samplings, backup singers, tentative lyrics etc) |
| 16:56.13 | Hobinheim|work | shaman = any playstyle at any given time |
| 16:56.33 | Hobinheim|work | i think Pierre_N is a noob, might wanna tone down the technical details |
| 16:56.40 | Pierre_N | lol |
| 16:56.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Hobinheim|work, oracles just make me think of murlocs. Murlocs make me angry. Rawr. |
| 16:57.31 | Pierre_N | next to the lighthouse in Westfall. |
| 16:57.31 | Hobinheim|work | Spinescale Oracle crits you with Lightning ... the second word escapes me. what's the first shaman spell? |
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| 16:57.36 | Hobinheim|work | bolt. |
| 16:57.42 | Hobinheim|work | haha how unoriginal |
| 16:58.05 | Tuqui-tuqui | Pierre, thinking of dropping your mage? |
| 16:58.28 | Tepetkhet | Druids can fill just about any slot. |
| 16:58.29 | Pierre_N | maaaaybe. I just don't see it getting any easier. |
| 16:58.36 | Tepetkhet | They can heal, they can tank, they can DPS. |
| 16:58.42 | Hobinheim|work | personally, Pierre_N, hybrid classes are harder to play |
| 16:58.43 | Pierre_N | ooh. |
| 16:58.45 | Tepetkhet | AND they can turn into...MOONKIN! |
| 16:58.46 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 16:58.55 | Tepetkhet | The downside is you end up carrying around several sets of gear. |
| 16:58.55 | Tuqui-tuqui | idd |
| 16:59.00 | amro | oomkin ftw |
| 16:59.12 | Pierre_N | I had a hunter for 5 lvls, before I had a mage. *grumble* |
| 16:59.13 | Tepetkhet | So that you can fill the different slots as needed. |
| 16:59.14 | Tuqui-tuqui | also a lot of druids and shamans are used for their healing abilities |
| 16:59.39 | Pierre_N | and priests? |
| 16:59.47 | Tepetkhet | Druids and shaman can be main healers if they're specced/equipped right. |
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| 17:00.14 | Hobinheim|work | priests play a different game than everyone else, since the vast majority of their abilities focus on healing and helping others |
| 17:00.15 | Pierre_N | I want to cast spells that blow things up, AND use a 2H sword on stuff. That's about it really. |
| 17:00.37 | Pierre_N | :) |
| 17:00.57 | Hobinheim|work | maybe a shaman, but i don't know if shaman can equip swords |
| 17:02.24 | Pierre_N | can't use swords at all |
| 17:02.25 | Tuqui-tuqui | if you wanna nuke things |
| 17:02.31 | Tuqui-tuqui | oh wait... |
| 17:02.35 | Tuqui-tuqui | what about rogues? |
| 17:02.35 | Pierre_N | http://www.wowwiki.com/Shaman#Weapons |
| 17:02.44 | Tuqui-tuqui | dont rogues use swords and have major DPS? |
| 17:02.54 | Pierre_N | I'm not sure |
| 17:05.28 | Hobinheim|work | rogues in general have "major DPS" |
| 17:05.48 | Pierre_N | and spells? |
| 17:06.01 | Tepetkhet | no spells |
| 17:06.04 | Hobinheim|work | rogues aren't spellcasters |
| 17:06.16 | Hobinheim|work | rogues specialize in killing quickly or disabling single targets |
| 17:06.17 | Tepetkhet | Our ranged is kind of...meh |
| 17:06.44 | Tepetkhet | Hunters can "cast" arrows and use 2H swords... |
| 17:06.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | ooohhh |
| 17:06.55 | Tuqui-tuqui | good point |
| 17:06.58 | Tuqui-tuqui | and have a pet to boot |
| 17:07.01 | Pierre_N | oooh. |
| 17:07.16 | Hobinheim|work | i lover pets |
| 17:07.29 | Pierre_N | my gf has an undead warlock with a pet, it's quite cool indeed. |
| 17:07.34 | Tepetkhet | yeah |
| 17:07.44 | Tepetkhet | Warlocks burn everything to the ground. |
| 17:08.33 | Tuqui-tuqui | oh god I hate warlocks when they duel me |
| 17:08.42 | Tuqui-tuqui | I have to pull out my water elemental |
| 17:09.12 | trik | can rogues ever out dps mages and warlocks? |
| 17:09.38 | Tuqui-tuqui | warlocks cant outdps mages or rogues |
| 17:09.49 | trik | or shadow priests |
| 17:09.50 | Tuqui-tuqui | but mages and rogues come in very close to each other |
| 17:09.55 | Pierre_N | shadow priests? |
| 17:10.27 | trik | they cause high dps too |
| 17:10.37 | Pierre_N | do mages get AoE stuff later on? |
| 17:10.48 | Tepetkhet | Yes. |
| 17:10.55 | Tuqui-tuqui | yes |
| 17:10.57 | Tuqui-tuqui | lots of it |
| 17:11.04 | Pierre_N | ooerr. |
| 17:11.13 | Tepetkhet | Tuqui-tuqui: Warlocks and mages CAN out-DPS rogues. |
| 17:11.15 | Tepetkhet | And do. |
| 17:11.18 | Tepetkhet | Especially after 2.0 |
| 17:11.55 | Tuqui-tuqui | :o |
| 17:12.01 | Tuqui-tuqui | I did not know that Tepetkhet |
| 17:12.17 | Tepetkhet | After 2.0 in the raiding guild I was in... |
| 17:12.33 | Tepetkhet | We had some members who were roughly at the same point gear-wise. |
| 17:12.40 | Tepetkhet | Level 60 and with a mixture of tier1 and tier2 |
| 17:13.48 | Tuqui-tuqui | oooohhhh :o |
| 17:14.01 | Tepetkhet | The top Warlock and top Rogue would frequently rip aggro from the main tank...the DPS charts would show the warlock at the top frequently. |
| 17:14.08 | sancus | rogues pretty much suck now, that's why |
| 17:14.11 | Tepetkhet | The difference being... |
| 17:14.21 | Tepetkhet | The warlock would usually end up dead after pulling aggro. |
| 17:14.22 | Tepetkhet | hah |
| 17:14.27 | Tuqui-tuqui | heh |
| 17:14.33 | Tuqui-tuqui | guys |
| 17:14.35 | Tuqui-tuqui | help me decide |
| 17:14.36 | sancus | http://www.cs.iastate.edu/~vulture/WoW/gruul-dm-4.jpg |
| 17:14.36 | Tuqui-tuqui | http://www.thottbot.com/?i=38111 |
| 17:14.37 | Tepetkhet | And the rogue would be on top of the charts only because he could dump aggro and survive. |
| 17:14.44 | Tepetkhet | and yes, sancus... |
| 17:14.44 | Tuqui-tuqui | or |
| 17:14.45 | sancus | warlocks dominate raid dps now, no one else even comes within a mile of them |
| 17:14.54 | Tuqui-tuqui | http://www.thottbot.com/?i=53578 |
| 17:14.54 | Tuqui-tuqui | http://www.thottbot.com/?i=53579 |
| 17:15.02 | Tepetkhet | After 2.0, I find myself questioning WTF Blizzard was thinking. |
| 17:15.19 | Tepetkhet | Since a rogue has pretty much a single utility in a raid and that's to fill a DPS slot. |
| 17:15.25 | sancus | though there do seem to be a sizable amount of incompetent warlocks who dont understand how to gear their class |
| 17:15.32 | Tuqui-tuqui | heh... I love my IB |
| 17:15.42 | Tuqui-tuqui | saved my ass when a warlock is cursed me with 10 different things |
| 17:15.44 | sancus | and think they need useless things like 'stamina' and 'intellect' |
| 17:15.44 | Tepetkhet | When you consider that a mage or a warlock can fill that slot and do just as much damage AND give out healthstones/water/food?? |
| 17:15.50 | trik | are there any servers that's beaten Magtheridon? |
| 17:16.26 | sancus | yes |
| 17:16.28 | Tepetkhet | Oh, and a mage can resheep. A rogue can only sap once while the mob's not in combat. |
| 17:16.42 | sancus | that's less important because there's no such thing as CC in raids |
| 17:16.48 | Tepetkhet | Exactly. |
| 17:17.00 | Tepetkhet | Except maybe on trash mobs. |
| 17:17.02 | Tepetkhet | Sometimes. |
| 17:17.03 | Tepetkhet | yeah |
| 17:17.19 | sancus | even then not really |
| 17:17.27 | sancus | my guild's cleared karazhan without a single mage or rogue in the group :P |
| 17:17.37 | Tuqui-tuqui | you racist :p |
| 17:17.45 | Tepetkhet | Well sancus, we all know how l33t you and your guilds are. |
| 17:17.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Sancus: Raid Whore ^^ |
| 17:18.01 | sancus | That's a comment on how useless those two classes are |
| 17:18.04 | Tepetkhet | Not all of us can be as cool as you. |
| 17:18.04 | sancus | Not on how good the guild is |
| 17:18.05 | Tekkub | I BROKED DA WEEKEYS! |
| 17:18.11 | Tuqui-tuqui | :o |
| 17:18.14 | Tuqui-tuqui | again? |
| 17:18.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Well done Tekkub :) |
| 17:18.19 | sancus | If you're taking a mage or rogue, a warlock is ALWAYS a better choice |
| 17:18.24 | sancus | and a mage is always a better choice than a rogue |
| 17:18.25 | Tekkub | fixing Template:Elinksitem |
| 17:18.26 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, what's your fav class? |
| 17:18.37 | Tekkub | so that 1) thott kiddies will stop fucking bitching |
| 17:18.45 | sancus | I play a mage |
| 17:18.53 | sancus | or used to, haven't been playing much lately |
| 17:18.54 | Tekkub | and 2) it shows a big annoying banner telling them to update the fucking page |
| 17:18.54 | Tepetkhet | Classist. |
| 17:18.58 | sancus | still keep up with the guild |
| 17:18.58 | Pierre_N | my mage is so fragile *sob* |
| 17:19.22 | Tepetkhet | Still |
| 17:19.23 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, what should a warlock get for dungeons/raids then? |
| 17:19.28 | Tepetkhet | I'd like to see your mage open a lockbox. |
| 17:19.30 | Tepetkhet | Hah! |
| 17:19.32 | sancus | what do you mean, raidwise? |
| 17:19.39 | sancus | er |
| 17:19.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Gear, I guess |
| 17:19.40 | sancus | gearwise? |
| 17:19.56 | sancus | +dmg/+hit/+crit, in that order of precedence |
| 17:20.00 | sancus | above all else |
| 17:20.01 | Tepetkhet | Most warlocks I know are stamwhores. |
| 17:20.10 | Kirkburn|afk | Mmm, I like +dmg :) |
| 17:20.13 | sancus | wear pure +dmg greens if they are the best for that slot |
| 17:20.20 | sancus | you don't need stats, they are completely useless to you |
| 17:20.24 | Tekkub | *snort* |
| 17:20.32 | Tekkub | what the hell did he download now |
| 17:20.44 | Tuqui-tuqui | +dmg FTW! |
| 17:20.47 | sancus | Do note that that requires you have a competent healer, which is pretty much a requirement anyway, but ... |
| 17:20.52 | sancus | some people don't seem to get that |
| 17:21.00 | Tekkub | "Hope! What are you doing sleeping in here?!? This is my masturbatorioum!" |
| 17:21.07 | sancus | a shadow priest makes a big difference! |
| 17:21.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Tekkub, lol |
| 17:21.32 | sancus | The top warlock in that grull screenshot did 1200 dps over a 7 minute fight |
| 17:21.35 | Tekkub | god damn, elinksitem is in too many pages |
| 17:21.38 | sancus | And grull has frequent interrupts |
| 17:21.40 | Kirkburn|afk | wow |
| 17:21.55 | Tekkub | it's *still* saving |
| 17:21.55 | trik | so..are there any servers that's beaten Magtheridon? |
| 17:21.59 | sancus | His pure chain-casting dps is probably more like 1400-1500 |
| 17:22.08 | sancus | and sustainable infinitely |
| 17:22.38 | Tekkub | maybe I shoulda made this edit at 3AM, but the bitching by the thotties and the assholery back at them by zeal pissed me off |
| 17:23.09 | sancus | trik: of course there are |
| 17:23.16 | Tekkub | I'm fine with bitching and being ugly to get update-edits made, but the thott ID's are in the page, the thott data shouldn't be removed if that's already there |
| 17:23.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Fair |
| 17:23.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Heh - http://www.superdickery.com/seduction/102.html |
| 17:23.47 | trik | sancus, there are? |
| 17:23.54 | Zeal | Tekkub? |
| 17:24.02 | Tekkub | I'm all for discouraging and blah blah blah, but don't remove preexisting data |
| 17:24.05 | Zeal | there was no assholery |
| 17:24.10 | Zeal | tekkub |
| 17:24.20 | Tekkub | Zeal, every time you reply to people you're an ass :) |
| 17:24.25 | Zeal | that data was added under pretense of it having to be there |
| 17:24.28 | Zeal | that is no logner the case |
| 17:24.34 | sancus | trik: yes |
| 17:24.42 | sancus | trik: dt has killed him, nihilum, etc |
| 17:24.53 | sancus | prob lots of others |
| 17:25.11 | trik | any sites about it? |
| 17:25.12 | Tekkub | Zee, I'm looking at a page with Elinksitem that has both a proper ID and a thott ID |
| 17:25.18 | Tekkub | the thott link doesn't show |
| 17:25.18 | Zeal | it's removed because it's discouraged, becuase it no longer is needed unless people specify it because it that has changed. |
| 17:25.28 | Zeal | tekkub |
| 17:25.30 | Zeal | you knew that |
| 17:25.36 | Zeal | i told you it had to be that way |
| 17:25.48 | Zeal | i showed it off on the talk page for 3 days or so |
| 17:26.00 | Kirkburn|afk | I thought the idea was just not to use thott on the pages that thott uses stupid IDs for |
| 17:26.03 | Zeal | no one including you objected |
| 17:26.07 | sancus | trik: Nihilum has a video |
| 17:26.12 | sancus | http://www.nihilum.co.uk/news/29/ |
| 17:26.40 | Tekkub | okey, on my page the thott links came thru if they were defined |
| 17:26.53 | Zeal | if they are defined with tb= |
| 17:26.53 | Tekkub | they're optional, if they're there they should show up... |
| 17:26.58 | Zeal | but now {{{1}}} |
| 17:27.07 | Zeal | as {{{1}}} is used for the correct ID now |
| 17:27.12 | Zeal | that is what the vote specified |
| 17:27.18 | Zeal | *but not |
| 17:27.22 | Tekkub | and 3 days my ass, it was one evening the kirky put it thru :P |
| 17:27.30 | Zeal | 3 days |
| 17:28.07 | sancus | I guess there's only been 3 magtheridon kills, huh |
| 17:28.08 | sancus | that's interesting |
| 17:28.12 | Tekkub | anywho, fixing it so that thott links that were there come back, along with a big ugly box telling people to update the page to use the new template |
| 17:28.40 | Zeal | -_- |
| 17:28.46 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 17:29.03 | Kirkburn|afk | As far as I recall the vote was about the problem of thott using different IDs for some stuff, not about whether we discourage thottbot |
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| 17:29.58 | Zeal | the outcome of the vote specified that thottbot id will be changed to optional, and the real id will be specified as {{{1}}} |
| 17:30.19 | Zeal | adys originally, before the vote went thorugh, went round removing loads of thottbot id in preperation |
| 17:30.35 | Zeal | i made the issue very clear on the vote, but it was never addressed properly |
| 17:30.47 | Zeal | Tekkub, previously, you siad you agreed with discouraging it |
| 17:30.49 | Kirkburn|afk | On the stuff with the silly thott ids, yes, but not on the stuff where thott uses the same id |
| 17:31.04 | Tekkub | discouraging, yes, removing existing links, no |
| 17:31.12 | Zeal | and i said i was my own thing i put in there, nad you kirkburn said no objection to it when i was talking about it in here at the same time as you. |
| 17:31.33 | Zeal | discouraging it required removing it |
| 17:31.48 | Kirkburn|afk | It was late, I didn't look closely at it all |
| 17:31.48 | Zeal | the reason it was provided before is no longer valid |
| 17:31.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Y'know, we need to set up real world meetings so that we can miscommunicate in person :P |
| 17:32.17 | Tekkub | okey, I'll give you all directions to the wrong apt |
| 17:32.23 | Tekkub | we can discuss in person |
| 17:32.26 | Zeal | so it's being removed, and if and when the rare occasion occurs when it is actually needed to be specified again, it can be. |
| 17:32.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Just so we're clear - are we ONLY talking about the times when Thott uses a different ID? |
| 17:32.54 | Zeal | yes Kirkburn|afk |
| 17:33.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Okay, so when thott uses the same ID, the thott link is included by default still? |
| 17:33.16 | Zeal | there is 2 occasions of this, and 1 occasion where both thottbot and alla are optional and discouraged |
| 17:33.21 | Zeal | yes Kirkburn|afk |
| 17:33.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Okay, just checking |
| 17:33.59 | Zeal | the latter being with zone id's |
| 17:34.18 | Zeal | which i almost got backwards and thought wh was wrong.. lol |
| 17:34.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Only WH uses the proper zone ids? |
| 17:34.29 | Zeal | aye |
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| 17:35.05 | Adys | ello |
| 17:35.07 | Zeal | hey Adys, wb Hobinheim|work |
| 17:35.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Essentially the problem is just that valid thott links that were there previously no longer work |
| 17:35.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Hey Hob and Adys |
| 17:35.23 | Zeal | they are no longer valid is the point Kirkburn|afk |
| 17:35.26 | Adys | wowwiki down/slow ? |
| 17:35.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Tek's updating some templates |
| 17:35.38 | Adys | hehe ok |
| 17:35.45 | Zeal | Tekkub's undoing elinks Adys.. |
| 17:35.46 | Tekkub | some == 1 |
| 17:35.47 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 17:35.59 | Tekkub | not undoing, fixing! |
| 17:35.59 | Hobinheim|work | i just blew up my computer =( |
| 17:36.02 | Kirkburn|afk | The links are valid Zeal |
| 17:36.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Hobinheim|work, ouch |
| 17:36.08 | Adys | grats Hobinheim|work |
| 17:36.09 | Zeal | ouch Hobinheim|work : / |
| 17:36.11 | Hobinheim|work | hahaha |
| 17:36.14 | Tekkub | no bowl, is stick! STICK! |
| 17:36.26 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, the vote determined they are not |
| 17:36.42 | Adys | Oi zeal/kirk whats going on? |
| 17:36.43 | Tekkub | the vote determined they are not REQUIRED |
| 17:36.49 | Tekkub | not that they are to be removed |
| 17:37.19 | Tekkub | yes, I only touched the redirect |
| 17:37.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, it's just the case that IDs that were already there (and valid links) were removed |
| 17:37.25 | Zeal | it determined they, when specified as {{{1}}} are no longer valid |
| 17:37.30 | Tekkub | I'm not THAT stupid, jees |
| 17:37.34 | Zeal | none are specified as tb= currently |
| 17:37.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | oohhh :o |
| 17:37.54 | Kirkburn|afk | I know, that's what we need to switch them over to, but it doesn't mean we break all the existing ones |
| 17:37.56 | Tuqui-tuqui | cool new term in WoW |
| 17:38.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, fun stuff :) |
| 17:38.01 | Tuqui-tuqui | Fish Pilots |
| 17:38.02 | Adys | chill guys, do we have a bot to change {{{1}}} to {{{tb}}} ? |
| 17:38.10 | Zeal | no adys |
| 17:38.14 | Tekkub | this is the change I made to the OLD template.... |
| 17:38.15 | Tekkub | {{Depreciated|Articles using [[Template:Elinksitem]] need to be updated to use the new [[Template:Elinks-item]].}} |
| 17:38.15 | Tekkub | {{Elinks-item|{{{2|}}}|tb={{{1|}}}}} |
| 17:38.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Not since VV went :( |
| 17:38.21 | Hobinheim|work | please no more API changes w/o bots |
| 17:38.27 | Hobinheim|work | where did VV go/ |
| 17:38.29 | Zeal | Adys, i'd love to bring you into this.. considering you're the oen that was removing them in the first place.. |
| 17:38.30 | Tekkub | instead of a str8 redirect |
| 17:38.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Hobinheim|work, busy with other stuff |
| 17:38.44 | Adys | I see watchout made an edit yesterday so he's active right now |
| 17:38.48 | Zeal | Tekkub, you realize that's going to throw up a big banner right? |
| 17:38.48 | Adys | today sorry |
| 17:38.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, oh, that's good news |
| 17:39.09 | Adys | and he has some bot experience |
| 17:39.14 | Tekkub | yes Z, I said like 3 times that it was giving a big ugly ass banner to get people to update-edit |
| 17:39.44 | Zeal | no, i mean in place.. |
| 17:39.50 | Zeal | not the top of the article.. |
| 17:39.51 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Watchout alot actually |
| 17:40.19 | Tekkub | if anything gets updates round here it's 1) removing thott links and 2) making big ugly things that take up lots of space and look like shit |
| 17:40.20 | Adys | wowwiki has a problem btw |
| 17:40.53 | Zeal | Zeal has a problem ¬_¬; |
| 17:40.59 | Adys | lol |
| 17:41.36 | Adys | OK hold on |
| 17:41.45 | Adys | can someone update WoWWiki:Bot requests |
| 17:41.49 | Adys | to match the elinks request? |
| 17:41.55 | Adys | im throwing a msg to watchout |
| 17:43.24 | Hobinheim|work | there's a bot requests page? |
| 17:43.26 | Hobinheim|work | since when? |
| 17:43.51 | Hobinheim|work | omg... work cut out for me... =( |
| 17:44.10 | Adys | Made it not long ago |
| 17:44.49 | Pierre_N | is it significant when it rains in WoW? every monday night it seems to rain in Silverpine Forest |
| 17:44.56 | Adys | its random |
| 17:45.00 | Pierre_N | mmkay. |
| 17:45.10 | Adys | Speaking of bots btw |
| 17:45.15 | Adys | can someone make a template like.. |
| 17:45.22 | Hobinheim|work | wiki feels kinda slow |
| 17:45.28 | Adys | {{Bot}} or {{Bot User}} |
| 17:45.36 | Adys | to put up on bot userpages |
| 17:45.43 | Hobinheim|work | umm i'm gonna log out, get lunch. anything you need do like... outline it on the page and i'll hawk that new page for request |
| 17:45.53 | Hobinheim|work | and i'll try to make that the focus of my work next time i edit |
| 17:46.13 | Hobinheim|work | adys, category =) |
| 17:46.19 | Hobinheim|work | oh there is one =( |
| 17:46.22 | Hobinheim|work | Wiki Bots |
| 17:46.23 | Adys | lol |
| 17:46.26 | Hobinheim|work | that's sufficient |
| 17:46.42 | Adys | ya but to warn new users checking up the page |
| 17:47.04 | *** part/#wowwiki Hobinheim|work (n=Hobinhei@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 17:47.45 | Adys | "This user is a bot controlled by {{{1}}} please drop down a message to the [[User talk:{{{1}}}|owner]] if you wish to signal a problem or whatever |
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| 17:50.54 | Adys | infobot, hello |
| 17:50.56 | infobot | Howdy Bub |
| 17:51.45 | Bagginsww | so kirk we ended up deciding to seperate Fortress Shadowmoon because its history according to warcraft II expansion differed from Black Temple history |
| 17:52.04 | Bagginsww | in that it was destroyed in the warcraft II campaign, reduced to "ruins" |
| 17:52.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Ooh, okay |
| 17:52.46 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Fortress_Shadowmoon |
| 17:53.00 | Bagginsww | read the link, and mission after it |
| 17:55.13 | Kirkburn|afk | What's with the external link? :O |
| 17:56.06 | Adys | btw |
| 17:56.14 | Adys | in english, is it "deletes" or "deletions"? |
| 17:56.21 | Zeal | nn all |
| 17:56.31 | Kirkburn|afk | G'night Zeal |
| 17:56.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, depends on the context |
| 17:56.53 | Adys | Ill show you sec |
| 17:56.59 | Kirkburn|afk | I think you probably want "deletions" though |
| 17:57.29 | Kirkburn|afk | I really should play WC2 + Expansion |
| 17:57.38 | Adys | I wish i had it :( |
| 17:57.50 | Adys | I got only wc3 + tft |
| 17:58.15 | *** join/#wowwiki Hobinheim|work (n=Hobinhei@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 17:58.19 | Adys | Uh shit |
| 17:58.23 | Bagginsww | well I can rename the link |
| 17:58.30 | Bagginsww | See also, blah blah |
| 17:58.51 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys i did something wrong didnt I. |
| 17:59.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Bagginsww, doesn't really matter :P |
| 17:59.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, no WC2 torrents :( |
| 17:59.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, wow |
| 17:59.51 | Kirkburn|afk | just ... wow |
| 17:59.57 | Adys | hahaha |
| 18:00.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Forget to enclose something? |
| 18:00.02 | Adys | I think I fixed it |
| 18:00.04 | Adys | forgot a </span> |
| 18:00.30 | Adys | btw the deletions was for the link in the up right corner |
| 18:00.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, "deletions" would be correct |
| 18:01.06 | Adys | oki |
| 18:02.02 | sancus | wowwiki should be a little less retardedly slow now |
| 18:02.08 | sancus | logwatch was doing the bad thing |
| 18:02.26 | Adys | Thats a cool news |
| 18:02.29 | Adys | takes effect now? |
| 18:02.34 | Bagginsww | the only thing that really dates warcraft 2 and its expansions is the lack of inmission story dialogue |
| 18:02.39 | Kirkburn|afk | What's logwatch? |
| 18:02.43 | Bagginsww | *expansion |
| 18:02.59 | Tuqui-tuqui | will WC, WCII and WCIII runs on XP? |
| 18:03.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes |
| 18:03.11 | Bagginsww | WC one will if you use a emulator |
| 18:03.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Uh, wait, yeah, what Bagginsww said |
| 18:03.29 | Kirkburn|afk | DOSBOX ftw |
| 18:03.35 | Bagginsww | wc II you should use battle.net edition |
| 18:03.39 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User%3AAdys&diff=524844&oldid=521000 this page gets the "Best Page Ever" award tbqfh |
| 18:03.44 | Bagginsww | dosbox is kind of slow though |
| 18:03.57 | Kirkburn|afk | What do you recommend? |
| 18:04.06 | Bagginsww | the other one vdmsound or something like that |
| 18:04.13 | Bagginsww | slightly faster |
| 18:04.19 | Bagginsww | but a bit harder to set up |
| 18:04.23 | Tuqui-tuqui | what are orange items called in WoW? |
| 18:04.27 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:INV_Misc_Gem_FlameSpessarite_02.jpg ffs |
| 18:04.29 | Kirkburn|afk | I have to say, however, if you're a modern RTS player, WarCraft will seriously annoy you |
| 18:04.52 | Kirkburn|afk | In fact, if you have any experience with a modern PC (or game), it will annoy you |
| 18:05.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Tuqui-tuqui, legendary? |
| 18:05.26 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 18:05.34 | Bagginsww | It has great sound though |
| 18:05.40 | Tuqui-tuqui | yeah.... |
| 18:05.45 | Tuqui-tuqui | thank you L) |
| 18:05.48 | Hobinheim|work | wtf is wrong with that page |
| 18:05.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, but great sound doesn't offset the shitty controls =) |
| 18:05.54 | Bagginsww | and it was first warcraft game to have dungeon levels and creeps |
| 18:06.03 | Bagginsww | which were improved on warcraft 3 |
| 18:06.04 | *** join/#wowwiki BitString (i=Jakov@83-131-226-81.adsl.net.t-com.hr) |
| 18:06.24 | Bagginsww | there are actually two versions of warcraft 1, and two sets of controls :p |
| 18:06.39 | Bagginsww | I have the old version |
| 18:06.39 | Kirkburn|afk | You're saying the first WC game was the first WC game to have dungeon levels?! Makes sense, but sounds silly :P |
| 18:06.43 | Bagginsww | not sure about the newer release |
| 18:06.53 | Bagginsww | well warcraft 2 doesn't have any |
| 18:06.54 | Adys | btw Kirkburn|afk* |
| 18:07.01 | Bagginsww | no creeps unless you count the demons in one level |
| 18:07.01 | Kirkburn|afk | OOh, I got starred |
| 18:07.15 | Adys | can you add a (Uploads) link to the known vandals page |
| 18:07.15 | Bagginsww | and no dungeon levels |
| 18:07.27 | Adys | like the moves & contribs links |
| 18:07.29 | sancus | Kirkburn: Logwatch is a common server utility that generates periodic summaries of the log files on the system so you can keep up to date with anything strange going on |
| 18:07.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Bagginsww, there was a better control system? Hmm, intriguing |
| 18:07.50 | Bagginsww | ya not sure how much it was improved |
| 18:08.02 | Bagginsww | closer to warcraft 2's style or so I hear |
| 18:08.11 | Bagginsww | you might be able to get it through a patch |
| 18:08.19 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, useful ... but it was being stupid? Like checking every 10ms? :P |
| 18:08.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, hmm, what's the link type |
| 18:09.05 | Bagginsww | strangest thing about warcraft 1 was having to build roads in order to build your town |
| 18:09.15 | Adys | not sure |
| 18:09.21 | Bagginsww | everything had to be connected to a raod |
| 18:09.26 | Kirkburn|afk | I'll see what I can do though, Adys |
| 18:09.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah |
| 18:09.34 | Adys | I think its Special:Log/Uploads&user={{{1}}} |
| 18:09.43 | Kirkburn|afk | I remember playing it at school, twas awesome |
| 18:09.49 | Adys | or special:log&type=Upload&User={{{1}}} |
| 18:09.57 | Adys | check my user page theres an uploads link :P |
| 18:10.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, this page is better than yours, coz of the piccie :) http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn |
| 18:10.42 | Adys | My comic > your piccy |
| 18:11.07 | sancus | Kirkburn: It was generating stats |
| 18:11.08 | Adys | ~beer |
| 18:11.10 | infobot | ACTION has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer)) |
| 18:11.21 | sancus | Kirkburn: which is something it really doesn't need to be sucking up mass amounts of cpu for at 1pm est |
| 18:11.36 | Adys | wowwiki has a problem |
| 18:12.26 | Bagginsww | as I recall the dungeon levels in war1 included the Dead Mines level, and the Kharazan level |
| 18:12.35 | *** join/#wowwiki Kaso (n=Kaso@resnet05.nat.lancs.ac.uk) |
| 18:12.44 | Bagginsww | Dead Mines had alot of slimes heh |
| 18:12.55 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Fortress_Shadowmoon |
| 18:12.57 | Bagginsww | improved |
| 18:13.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Dead Mines had ogres when I played :P |
| 18:14.19 | Adys | sancus: I dont know if its related but im getting many wowwiki has a problem since the last 10 mins |
| 18:15.33 | Adys | and many timeouts |
| 18:15.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, I'm changing the link to show the full user log instead of just the moves part |
| 18:16.02 | Adys | ah k |
| 18:17.07 | Adys | I'm above 1000 deletions now |
| 18:17.30 | Adys | lets say icons helped |
| 18:18.42 | Adys | btw we need a 25000club icon, wheres Mikk/Fandy ? |
| 18:19.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys - http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Undelete/.kill_command |
| 18:19.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Where's it coming from!? |
| 18:19.28 | Adys | We deleted that twice didnt we |
| 18:19.33 | Adys | and same for .kill |
| 18:20.11 | Kirkburn|afk | I just deleted the above for the fourth time |
| 18:20.20 | Adys | hahaha seriously? |
| 18:20.29 | Adys | its the same author as the 1st one |
| 18:20.31 | Adys | ban him tbh |
| 18:20.41 | Adys | and sec |
| 18:22.05 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=.kill_command&redirect=no |
| 18:22.14 | Adys | protected, too |
| 18:22.23 | Hobinheim|work | uhh question about the {{bc}} template |
| 18:22.37 | Hobinheim|work | what if its describing a section |
| 18:22.41 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Fortress_Shadowmoon |
| 18:22.42 | Hobinheim|work | like master professions |
| 18:22.45 | Bagginsww | a little more added |
| 18:22.49 | Adys | template:bc-inline |
| 18:22.50 | Hobinheim|work | do we have a bc-section stripe? |
| 18:22.51 | Adys | hob |
| 18:22.55 | Adys | er no |
| 18:22.57 | Adys | bc-section |
| 18:22.58 | Hobinheim|work | cuz if i bot this, it will be indecriminate |
| 18:22.58 | Adys | sorry |
| 18:23.15 | Adys | bot our elinks stuff plox |
| 18:23.18 | Hobinheim|work | *indiscriminate? |
| 18:23.23 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=.kill&redirect=no too |
| 18:23.24 | Hobinheim|work | plox? |
| 18:23.26 | Bagginsww | dead mines is supposed to have ogres and slimes |
| 18:23.39 | Bagginsww | at different parts of the tunnels |
| 18:23.54 | Bagginsww | and Griselda heh |
| 18:23.59 | Hobinheim|work | actually... i have a plan. nevermind |
| 18:24.05 | Bagginsww | and some spiders too as I recall |
| 18:24.27 | Hobinheim|work | bc-inline is a small little badge =( |
| 18:24.37 | Adys | bc-section hob |
| 18:24.53 | Hobinheim|work | yay! |
| 18:25.13 | Hobinheim|work | are all the elinks broken already? |
| 18:25.28 | Adys | dont know |
| 18:25.38 | Adys | someone needs to update the request page |
| 18:25.38 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, something seems to have gone wrong - the wiki has gone very slow and unstable |
| 18:25.43 | Adys | big time |
| 18:25.52 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Watchout#Bot_stuff :D |
| 18:26.01 | Adys | and indeed kirk |
| 18:26.08 | sancus | hm |
| 18:26.23 | Kirkburn|afk | And suddenly it's back! |
| 18:26.37 | Kirkburn|afk | or not |
| 18:26.40 | Hobinheim|work | ... |
| 18:26.40 | sancus | I didn't do anything |
| 18:26.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Argh |
| 18:26.53 | sancus | it seems fine to me, at least browsing |
| 18:27.00 | Hobinheim|work | lol you made a rediect from dot kill |
| 18:27.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Good idea if it works :) |
| 18:27.57 | Adys | yes hob and protected it |
| 18:27.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Stuff to delete - http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Articles_for_speedy_deletion |
| 18:28.01 | Adys | and same for .kill command |
| 18:28.27 | Adys | wowwiki has a problem^4 |
| 18:28.45 | Adys | its just like before, once again :P |
| 18:28.58 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, it seems to be spikes of instability |
| 18:29.04 | Adys | aye |
| 18:29.12 | Kirkburn|afk | I got a few pages really quickly, and now I'm stuck loading stuff |
| 18:29.15 | *** join/#wowwiki amro (n=chatzill@82.101.184.143) |
| 18:29.15 | Adys | at least, if it should be faster, its not |
| 18:29.35 | Bagginsww | .kill has more lives than a cat |
| 18:29.54 | sancus | hm |
| 18:30.06 | Bagginsww | wel its been deleted at least once before |
| 18:30.09 | Bagginsww | and someone recreated it |
| 18:30.23 | Hobinheim|work | who =) |
| 18:30.50 | Adys | baggingsww: .kill |
| 18:30.50 | Adys | From WoWWiki |
| 18:30.50 | Adys | Revision history |
| 18:30.50 | Adys | View logs for this page |
| 18:30.50 | Adys | View or restore 13 deleted edits? |
| 18:30.53 | Hobinheim|work | yup hitting some erorr pages |
| 18:31.11 | Adys | .kill has been deleted only once |
| 18:31.17 | Adys | .kill command has been deleted 4 times tho |
| 18:31.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Note that DarkTichondrius is now http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/TopDread |
| 18:31.24 | Bagginsww | like I said at least once, :) |
| 18:31.33 | Hobinheim|work | yup more error pages |
| 18:31.41 | Bagginsww | but I remember it being deleted cause it went against policy |
| 18:31.45 | Adys | yeah |
| 18:31.50 | Hobinheim|work | sancus, is my conspiracy theory about the caching server correct |
| 18:33.30 | Adys | wowwiki has a problem big time ay |
| 18:33.42 | Adys | for the ones who didnt have the time to see the page btw |
| 18:33.47 | Tekkub | not my fault this time |
| 18:33.56 | Adys | watchout has a few exams but will take care of the elinks thing within the week |
| 18:34.01 | Hobinheim|work | why did we delete the altar of depths? |
| 18:35.47 | Hobinheim|work | i can take care of the elinks thing tonight, if i remember |
| 18:35.49 | Adys | in the speedydelete cat are quite a lot of template uses |
| 18:35.58 | Hobinheim|work | i just finally have work to do at work so i feel bad multitasking the wiki |
| 18:36.12 | Hobinheim|work | yeah i would tread lightly and not blindly delete anything |
| 18:36.25 | Hobinheim|work | i think something is being inherited or the category index needs to be refreshed |
| 18:36.32 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm doing the template deletions atm |
| 18:36.40 | Adys | noes, i am |
| 18:36.46 | Hobinheim|work | =) |
| 18:36.48 | Hobinheim|work | ***** =( |
| 18:37.08 | Hobinheim|work | i think the category is busted |
| 18:37.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Why? |
| 18:37.40 | Hobinheim|work | i'm clicking on things that don't exist already |
| 18:37.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Once the templates are deleted, a lot of the other pages will disappear from the category btw, due to inclusions |
| 18:38.02 | Kirkburn|afk | So make sure the templates are deleted before anything else |
| 18:38.10 | Hobinheim|work | well make sure the pages are sanitized first! |
| 18:38.14 | Hobinheim|work | can't just delete templates like that |
| 18:38.48 | Adys | im seriously fucking glad we finally do that stuff |
| 18:39.21 | Hobinheim|work | ? |
| 18:39.41 | Adys | the template cleanup |
| 18:39.43 | Adys | the elinks cleanup |
| 18:39.47 | Adys | the tooltip thing |
| 18:40.04 | Tekkub | elinks looks much nicer |
| 18:40.09 | Tekkub | no thanks to Z |
| 18:40.11 | Hobinheim|work | elinks is oogly =( |
| 18:40.12 | Tekkub | *hides* |
| 18:40.19 | Adys | :D |
| 18:40.30 | Tekkub | which elinks hobble, old or new? |
| 18:40.44 | Hobinheim|work | link plz |
| 18:42.55 | winkiller | new ia cool |
| 18:45.07 | winkiller | new one is cool |
| 18:45.12 | winkiller | and i have a new keyboard |
| 18:45.21 | winkiller | so don't expect anything besides typos |
| 18:47.07 | Adys | btw |
| 18:47.20 | Adys | can someone add {{welink}} to the elinks thing |
| 18:47.30 | Hobinheim|work | ? |
| 18:47.36 | Adys | Im going home in a min so I cant do that |
| 18:49.13 | Adys | rcspam is lol btw |
| 18:49.38 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 18:50.17 | Kirkburn|afk | It's amazing how many 'old' articles still get updates |
| 18:51.27 | Adys | like? |
| 18:51.44 | Kirkburn|afk | e.g. Arthas |
| 18:51.58 | Adys | Lore addicts^^ |
| 18:52.48 | Adys | ok Im done here |
| 18:52.56 | Adys | have fun guys keep the good work up ill be back soon :) |
| 18:52.59 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, btw, I switched to my desktop PC, and the wiki speed seems fine now |
| 18:53.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, see ya later! |
| 18:53.10 | sancus | okay |
| 18:53.18 | sancus | I don't provide support for your PCs, sorry ;p |
| 18:53.22 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
| 18:55.54 | Hobinheim|work | Kirkburn|afk, what were you using before? |
| 18:56.02 | Kirkburn|afk | laptop that's next to it |
| 18:56.06 | Hobinheim|work | can someone link me to an article with the new elinks |
| 18:56.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Don't know any off the top of my head |
| 18:57.39 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Citadel_Vs._Temple#Architectural_Comparisons |
| 18:59.51 | Hobinheim|work | i should actually leave. i've got work i'm avoiding |
| 18:59.55 | Hobinheim|work | i'll get back to editing tonight |
| 19:00.16 | *** part/#wowwiki Hobinheim|work (n=Hobinhei@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 19:03.12 | |FF|Im2good4u | hehe fonud a mistake on the wiki :P |
| 19:03.31 | Kirkburn|afk | shocking |
| 19:03.39 | Kirkburn|afk | where? |
| 19:03.49 | |FF|Im2good4u | in the quest chain for the master key |
| 19:04.18 | |FF|Im2good4u | some show the quest line at the button as level 70 quest other show it as 68/69 |
| 19:04.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Remember you can edit the wiki to fix it :) |
| 19:04.36 | |FF|Im2good4u | no i cnat i forgot my password |
| 19:04.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Make a new account :P |
| 19:04.46 | |FF|Im2good4u | and i dont knoe the real level either :P |
| 19:14.21 | Bagginsww | poor, wowwiki |
| 19:18.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Enough WW for now :) |
| 19:18.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Trackmania is a-callin' |
| 19:28.23 | |FF|Im2good4u | that gmaei s funny yet hard as hell for me :P |
| 19:41.32 | *** join/#wowwiki amro_ (n=amro@82.101.184.143) |
| 20:00.58 | amro | Bagginsww: ping |
| 20:08.56 | Bagginsww | hi |
| 20:09.03 | Gryphen | heya |
| 20:12.08 | amro | "Several months after the Third War, the demon lord Kil'jaeden went to Outland and contacted Illidan Stormrage. Although Illidan had worked against the Legion's interests in the past, Kil'jaeden was willing to give Illidan another chance. If Illidan destroyed the Frozen Throne, Kil'jaeden promised to grant anything Illidan might desire." |
| 20:12.25 | amro | I thought Illidan was still in Azeroth at that time, wasn't he? |
| 20:12.31 | Bagginsww | iits in act 2 |
| 20:12.35 | Bagginsww | human capaign |
| 20:12.43 | Bagginsww | he goes back to azeroth at the ned of the campaign |
| 20:13.00 | Bagginsww | the above event is in a cutscene |
| 20:13.06 | amro | yes I remember it |
| 20:13.06 | Bagginsww | in-game cutscene |
| 20:13.12 | amro | but it didn't look like outland |
| 20:13.16 | Bagginsww | it was outland |
| 20:13.29 | Bagginsww | check out black citadel (WC3) |
| 20:13.45 | Bagginsww | there is apicture of the where that event takes place |
| 20:13.56 | Bagginsww | screen shot is just before kil'jaeden appears |
| 20:13.59 | amro | so when did he go to outland the first time? |
| 20:14.26 | Bagginsww | he escaped there sometime between night elf campaign and during the blood elf campaign. |
| 20:14.38 | Bagginsww | warden shadowsong followed after him |
| 20:14.41 | amro | yeah |
| 20:14.47 | amro | but that's after the paragraph I quoted |
| 20:14.56 | amro | that was after he got the eye of sargaeras and screwed up |
| 20:15.14 | Bagginsww | that paragraph sounds like the cutscene at the end of blood elf campaign |
| 20:15.21 | Bagginsww | I was just watching it hte other day |
| 20:15.27 | amro | if you read again, the paragraph is about the first time kil'jaeden contacted illidan |
| 20:15.38 | Bagginsww | then its discussing the first attempt |
| 20:15.55 | Bagginsww | where he tries to use forces of the forest to destroy throne form the other side of the world |
| 20:16.08 | Bagginsww | the event that warden shadowsong prevents |
| 20:16.12 | amro | yeah, but that would imply illidan was in outland immediatly after wc3 |
| 20:16.32 | amro | and before the beginning of tft |
| 20:16.32 | Bagginsww | he's in outland after first campaign |
| 20:16.41 | Bagginsww | I don't know |
| 20:16.56 | Bagginsww | maybe reword it? |
| 20:17.06 | Bagginsww | remove the refrence to outland |
| 20:17.08 | amro | its not on the wiki |
| 20:17.11 | Bagginsww | hmm |
| 20:17.15 | amro | its on blizzard's encyclopedia |
| 20:17.15 | Bagginsww | where did you get it from? |
| 20:17.21 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 20:17.25 | Bagginsww | well I'm confused |
| 20:17.27 | amro | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/encyclopedia/610.xml |
| 20:17.34 | amro | confused me too. I think they screwed up |
| 20:17.35 | Bagginsww | don't have time to go back to TFT to see if anything was mentioned heh |
| 20:17.48 | Bagginsww | cause it sounds more like the second contact |
| 20:17.55 | Bagginsww | the way its worded |
| 20:17.59 | amro | scroll down to "Serving the Betrayer" |
| 20:18.10 | Bagginsww | "another chance" |
| 20:18.13 | amro | if you read the entire section you'll understand its talking about the first |
| 20:18.21 | Bagginsww | first chance was during night elf campaign |
| 20:18.23 | amro | because it mentions them failing in the next paragraph |
| 20:18.28 | Bagginsww | second chance was during the blood elf |
| 20:18.35 | Bagginsww | both were failtures |
| 20:18.40 | amro | yeah |
| 20:18.45 | Bagginsww | which begs the quesiton why didn't kil'jaeden follow up |
| 20:18.53 | amro | "Accordingly, Illidan sought out new allies. He cast a powerful spell that reached the depths of the ocean, and a group of naga led by Lady Vashj responded." |
| 20:18.53 | Bagginsww | on his threats |
| 20:19.09 | Bagginsww | that event is in the intro cutscene |
| 20:19.11 | amro | implying he was in outland before he called the naga to his side |
| 20:19.49 | Kirkburn|afk | he could only have called the naga if he was on Azeroth, I'm confused |
| 20:20.03 | amro | that's why i think they screwed up that section |
| 20:20.06 | Bagginsww | its possible we really don't know what happened between his disappearance in reign of chaos and tft |
| 20:20.25 | Bagginsww | he called the naga while on Azeroth |
| 20:20.27 | Bagginsww | its n the intro |
| 20:20.36 | amro | yeah but letting slip that he was in outland in an article about vashj doesn't make sense |
| 20:21.07 | Bagginsww | might be interesting discussion on illidan talk page |
| 20:21.36 | *** join/#wowwiki Laraul (n=dustin@ip72-200-90-128.tc.ph.cox.net) |
| 20:23.30 | Bagginsww | manual for TFT claims he was hidng in Azeroth |
| 20:23.37 | Bagginsww | before the events of TFT |
| 20:25.23 | amro | as I recall, Kil'Jaeden contacted him shortly after Malfurion exiled him |
| 20:25.37 | amro | at least it looked like he was still in ashenvale/felwood |
| 20:26.33 | amro | I'll check the TFT campaign again later, but I'm sure that he didn't go to outland until after his first attempt. |
| 20:28.33 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 20:28.51 | Bagginsww | he was in ashevale when Kil first contacted him Im's ure |
| 20:28.57 | Bagginsww | *i'm sure |
| 20:30.48 | Bagginsww | what's the level skip cheat in warcraft II? |
| 20:35.24 | amro | irwinner? |
| 20:35.31 | amro | oh wc2? |
| 20:36.03 | Bagginsww | ahh I never noticed this khadgar looks old and much like he does in WoW |
| 20:36.10 | Bagginsww | in final cutscene of the game |
| 20:36.17 | Bagginsww | he has the beard |
| 20:36.41 | Bagginsww | he's beardless in the prologue video |
| 20:37.10 | Bagginsww | that shows destruction of the portal |
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| 20:38.04 | amro | the orcs must've been keeping him busy :P |
| 20:38.36 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 20:38.50 | Bagginsww | I must get a screen shot of that scene |
| 20:38.58 | Bagginsww | diserves to be included in his biography heh |
| 20:39.05 | amro | i miss warcraft cinematics. wow and bc only have 2 :( |
| 20:39.26 | Bagginsww | lotr online have them after several different "chapter" quests |
| 20:39.28 | amro | I was really disappointed. But even TFT was disappointing in that regard |
| 20:39.34 | Bagginsww | I wish wow did that |
| 20:40.02 | Bagginsww | there is one ingame cutscene for every race in WoW\ |
| 20:40.15 | amro | yeah but its still not a cinematic |
| 20:40.16 | Bagginsww | and there is that fly over cutscene in mage tower in elwynn forest |
| 20:40.22 | Bagginsww | but noting truly cinematic |
| 20:40.39 | Bagginsww | Lord of the Rings actually has alot more actual cinematics |
| 20:40.59 | amro | Diablo2 and WC3 cinematics were very well made, hence why I expected more in TFT and WOW |
| 20:41.06 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 20:43.58 | Bagginsww | sigh instead of just reusing the generic human npc voice for danath |
| 20:44.06 | Bagginsww | they could have at least used his Warcraft 2 sound files |
| 20:44.14 | Bagginsww | same with khadger |
| 20:45.05 | Laraul | hmm |
| 20:45.48 | Bagginsww | "what do you want grubber" |
| 20:45.56 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 20:46.04 | Bagginsww | it would have been an ice nod to warcraft II |
| 20:46.09 | Bagginsww | *a nice |
| 20:46.40 | amro | they could have given magni muradin's annoyed responses |
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| 21:23.31 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm stumped |
| 21:23.40 | Kirkburn|afk | How do we have an image of WoW He-man from September 2005 |
| 21:24.43 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Heman.jpg |
| 21:36.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Delete spam! :D |
| 21:37.09 | Tuqui-tuqui | 0.o |
| 21:42.38 | Bagginsww | its funny though |
| 21:42.53 | Bagginsww | I've heard two stories aobut it |
| 21:42.58 | Bagginsww | one it was a fan creation |
| 21:43.07 | Bagginsww | secondly it was from a beta or test realm patch |
| 21:43.24 | Bagginsww | claim being the NPC was named Adahm or something like that |
| 21:44.19 | bleetah | "In 2007 Blizzard introduced the NPC character "Adam Eternum" to World of Warcraft. He is wearing the classic He-Man armor/clothes and is standing next to "Oric Coe" a gnome dressed in red robes and pointed hat." |
| 21:44.45 | bleetah | though that came from wikipedia... and we all know how reliable wikis are ;) |
| 21:45.21 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 21:45.33 | Bagginsww | would have been a huge copyright infring anyways |
| 21:45.35 | bleetah | http://www.blizzplanet.com/coppermine/albums/wow-burning-crusade/easter-eggs/adam-heman.jpg |
| 21:45.57 | Bagginsww | so the green lion was the fan-mockup |
| 21:46.07 | bleetah | look at the lion behind him in that pic |
| 21:46.17 | Bagginsww | its orange |
| 21:46.17 | bleetah | oh, it's green armor.. not fur |
| 21:47.09 | Bagginsww | although if oric coe floated 3 feet of the ground it would be funnier |
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| 21:51.50 | Bagginsww | I'm not sure Hellfire Citadel figures into the warcraft II campaigns although its mentioned on the maps |
| 21:52.09 | Bagginsww | I've went over the campaigns twice and haven't found a refrence to hellfire citadel as far as I can tell |
| 22:01.15 | Bagginsww | removed the line from "beholder" article where the contributor claimed they look like metroids from metroid games |
| 22:01.19 | Bagginsww | http://tn1-5.deviantart.com/fs12/150/i/2006/279/c/2/Metroid_Larva_by_Haz567.jpg |
| 22:01.24 | Bagginsww | that looks nothing like a beholder :p |
| 22:01.49 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Beholder |
| 22:02.55 | amro | octobrains! |
| 22:03.05 | amro | those bastards packed a punch |
| 22:05.10 | Kirkburn|afk | huh. I'm about to delete a picture of a cat. |
| 22:05.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Someone's PHOTO of their cat |
| 22:05.37 | Kirkburn|afk | "Oops, wrong file. Sorry about this." |
| 22:06.04 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Timinou3.jpg |
| 22:12.55 | amro | lol |
| 22:25.52 | Bagginsww | octobrains sucked ya |
| 22:26.07 | Kirkburn|afk | ffs, why'd someone have to slow the wiki down just to say "deprecated != depreciated" .... wikipedia begs to differ anyway |
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| 22:28.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal - "Depreciated is a common synonym for "deprecated"; see deprecation for the use of depreciation in computer software." |
| 22:29.23 | Psyker7 | lols |
| 22:29.43 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Citadel_vs._Temple#name_change |
| 22:32.05 | Psyker7 | >.< |
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| 23:09.19 | Kirkburn|afk | So SO many images to delete :/ |
| 23:25.04 | bleetah | funny you should mention that right now |
| 23:25.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Wassup |
| 23:25.32 | bleetah | my music player's decided that the album art for 'Madness's best album, should be Bette Middler's 'Devine Madness' album |
| 23:25.38 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 23:25.45 | bleetah | sure, same album title, but sooo wrong on artist name |
| 23:25.53 | bleetah | and my eyes bleed for it |
| 23:28.47 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
| 23:29.04 | Kirkburn|afk | My poor IE7, it really doesn't like the number of tabs I'm opening and shutting |
| 23:29.32 | Kirkburn|afk | It humoured me when Adys told me he'd got 1000 deletions |
| 23:29.41 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm likely to do 1000 tonight alone |
| 23:41.02 | Verxion | anyone on that REALLY knows how the character sheet works? |
| 23:41.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Char sheet? |
| 23:41.13 | Verxion | I am having some trouble understanding where some of the numbers come from |
| 23:41.16 | Verxion | in game |
| 23:42.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Well, I'm not sure how you want it explained - you want to know where the values come from? |
| 23:42.12 | Verxion | well |
| 23:42.16 | Verxion | I have a hunter |
| 23:42.23 | Verxion | and I just took all my equipment off |
| 23:42.26 | Verxion | removed all buffs |
| 23:42.34 | Verxion | 311 range attack power |
| 23:42.51 | Verxion | then I put everything on, no buffs still, and I have 1590 ranged attack power |
| 23:43.09 | Verxion | now the weird thing is, my items give me 1147 ranged attack power |
| 23:43.36 | Kirkburn|afk | From what? Specific bonuses? |
| 23:43.39 | Verxion | 1147 + 311 = 1458 |
| 23:43.42 | Verxion | ie, NOT 1590 |
| 23:44.00 | Kirkburn|afk | What tells you the amount of ranged attack power each item gives you? |
| 23:44.17 | Verxion | I quite literally looked at each and every item |
| 23:44.25 | Verxion | put all the numbers into a spreadsheet, one item at a time |
| 23:44.28 | Verxion | and added them all up |
| 23:44.35 | Verxion | on hunters, 1 agility = 1 rap |
| 23:44.39 | Verxion | 1 rap = 1 rap |
| 23:44.42 | Verxion | so I added it all up |
| 23:44.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Are you sure that only agility gives you RAP? |
| 23:45.12 | Verxion | yes |
| 23:45.17 | Verxion | now here is the next piece of info |
| 23:45.49 | Verxion | I have a talent that says (and I quote): "Increases your ranged attack power by 10%" |
| 23:46.11 | Verxion | hrm |
| 23:46.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Right? |
| 23:46.18 | Verxion | wait a moment, I think I know where the discrepancy is coming from |
| 23:46.19 | Verxion | sec |
| 23:46.53 | Verxion | no |
| 23:46.56 | Verxion | it just never works out right |
| 23:47.09 | Verxion | I took my 311 |
| 23:47.29 | Verxion | reduced it to 90% (since it presumably had the +10% on it even though I was naked) |
| 23:47.33 | Verxion | that gives me 280 |
| 23:47.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Reduced it to 90% by multiplying by 0.9? |
| 23:47.51 | Verxion | so (280+1147)*1.10=1570 |
| 23:47.57 | Verxion | yes, exactly |
| 23:48.04 | Kirkburn|afk | That's not right |
| 23:48.21 | Kirkburn|afk | I thin anyway, 2 secs |
| 23:48.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah yes |
| 23:49.07 | Verxion | ? |
| 23:49.12 | Karrion | you need to divide by 1.1 |
| 23:49.17 | Kirkburn|afk | You want to multiply by (1.1/1) |
| 23:49.18 | Karrion | not multiply by 0.9 |
| 23:49.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Not 0.9 |
| 23:49.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, as Karrion said |
| 23:49.58 | Verxion | ok |
| 23:50.05 | Verxion | well 311/1.1=282.7273 |
| 23:50.35 | Verxion | and 282.7273+1147=1429.727 |
| 23:50.35 | Verxion | now what I did was took that times 1.10 |
| 23:50.37 | Verxion | is that incorrect for getting 10%? |
| 23:51.12 | Karrion | should be |
| 23:51.20 | Verxion | should be correct or incorrect?> |
| 23:51.29 | Karrion | I get 1573 >.> |
| 23:51.31 | Verxion | it gives me 1572.7 |
| 23:51.32 | Verxion | right |
| 23:51.39 | Verxion | my character sheet says 1590 |
| 23:51.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Well it's closer ;) |
| 23:51.49 | Verxion | true |
| 23:52.49 | Verxion | I still wonder how they get the 1590 |
| 23:53.33 | Karrion | well, something's giving you 17 more rap |
| 23:53.45 | Verxion | right |
| 23:53.47 | Karrion | set bonuses? aura? (I don't know hunters) |
| 23:54.08 | Verxion | no set items |
| 23:54.22 | Verxion | and no buffs other than "Spectrecles" |
| 23:54.24 | Verxion | which isn't a buff |
| 23:56.12 | Karrion | well, got me |
