| 00:01.23 | Zeal | i do think it's safe to presume exists is unsafe. |
| 00:01.40 | vlad_ | that would seem pretty weird |
| 00:01.48 | vlad_ | since it should be a pretty fast check |
| 00:04.37 | Zeal | well basically, exists checks linking to the page, and checks including the page, compares their values. i'd imagine the inclusion is messing up with caching, so every single time exists is use, all inclusions of the test, are included recursively. it's like exists = load * every template used. |
| 00:06.14 | Karrion | "How it works: The template exploits the fact that trying to link to a non-existent page and trying to include a non-existent page as a template have the exact same effect; they produce a link to edit that page:" That's.... really evil |
| 00:06.35 | vlad_ | wow |
| 00:06.38 | vlad_ | that's awful |
| 00:06.57 | Zeal | aye |
| 00:06.59 | Zeal | so.. |
| 00:07.03 | Zeal | yeah the page now works again |
| 00:07.23 | Zeal | exists needs to be removed fro mthe wiki tbh |
| 00:07.29 | vlad_ | well |
| 00:07.32 | Zeal | even more reason why we seriously need css access. |
| 00:07.33 | vlad_ | it needs to be replaced with a function |
| 00:07.53 | Zeal | that too, yes |
| 00:07.58 | Zeal | parser functions ;) |
| 00:08.15 | Karrion | #ifexist in parserfunctions |
| 00:08.17 | Zeal | but most cases of exists can be handled with css without the need to do any checks. |
| 00:08.35 | Zeal | namely the qualities |
| 00:09.05 | vlad_ | ok |
| 00:09.23 | vlad_ | so in that case it should be helped with the upgrade soonish; I'll flip the CSS bit then as well |
| 00:09.26 | vlad_ | and we'll see what happens |
| 00:10.12 | Zeal | nice :) |
| 00:10.26 | Zeal | i'm gunna removed exists from all my templates now though. |
| 00:10.31 | Shadowed | Zeal: you're not a Druid on KT are you? :p |
| 00:10.35 | Zeal | Item will have to settle without it for now |
| 00:10.37 | vlad_ | Zeal: well |
| 00:10.41 | vlad_ | Zeal: why not just change Exists? |
| 00:10.45 | vlad_ | unless there aren't that many |
| 00:11.03 | Zeal | i don't think their are many |
| 00:11.06 | Zeal | mostly just my own |
| 00:11.11 | vlad_ | I guess you can check what uses Exists |
| 00:11.12 | Zeal | and no, i'm not Shadowed |
| 00:11.13 | vlad_ | k |
| 00:11.19 | Shadowed | kk |
| 00:11.29 | vlad_ | hmm |
| 00:11.39 | Zeal | as a druid, i go by the name of Stormpaw. |
| 00:11.48 | vlad_ | mw needs a "slow page log" |
| 00:11.56 | Zeal | indeed |
| 00:12.00 | Zeal | lol |
| 00:12.10 | Zeal | also needs a better error page ;) |
| 00:12.22 | Zeal | well "heavy load" page |
| 00:12.34 | vlad_ | the error page is just broken, it starts outputting it |
| 00:12.38 | vlad_ | and then starts writing html again |
| 00:12.46 | vlad_ | ooh, the MW faq has info |
| 00:12.53 | vlad_ | er, new info on performance |
| 00:12.59 | Zeal | cool |
| 00:13.25 | vlad_ | bleh, so much stuff |
| 00:14.59 | Zeal | guess this means i have to drop my namespaces.. |
| 00:15.50 | Kirkburn | CS:S glass maps ftw |
| 00:16.10 | Kirkburn | vlad_, here's hoping it helps :) |
| 00:16.28 | Kirkburn | I would attempt some lovely ASCII art right now, but uh ... I'm shooting terrorists |
| 00:16.44 | Zeal | Kirkburn, may need to ask a favour :P |
| 00:17.22 | Kirkburn | yes? |
| 00:18.43 | Zeal | item |
| 00:18.48 | Zeal | removed exists. locked iirc |
| 00:18.53 | Zeal | *remove |
| 00:22.57 | vlad_ | well, don't remove it |
| 00:23.02 | vlad_ | that'll break things |
| 00:23.14 | vlad_ | just change it to a null template, have it always pretend the page either exists or doesn't exist |
| 00:23.34 | vlad_ | unless you already removed all uses of it |
| 00:23.37 | vlad_ | in which case ignore me :) |
| 00:23.43 | Zeal | removed most |
| 00:23.54 | Zeal | hence the wiki being a slow assed bitch atm ;) |
| 00:24.14 | Zeal | they'll have to be removed at soem points |
| 00:24.24 | Zeal | may as well do it while the wiki it's slow already :P |
| 00:24.44 | Zeal | *some point *is slow |
| 00:24.48 | Zeal | lessen the impact |
| 00:26.47 | Zeal | bah, didn't mean item, meant {{loot}} Kirkburn :P |
| 00:36.44 | *** join/#wowwiki MatthewS (n=duncan@dancewithdevils.com) |
| 00:40.39 | Zeal | hm.. loot might be too complicated for you Kirkburn, i'll make the changes to my sandbox version first :P |
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| 01:03.48 | Kirkburn | Omg, the wiki, it has speed! |
| 01:10.36 | Zeal | lol |
| 01:10.42 | Zeal | indeed |
| 01:10.59 | Zeal | mostly because of the drop from common and tooltip |
| 01:11.50 | Zeal | rewritting loot so it is ready for css defined styles |
| 01:18.16 | Zeal | Kirkburn, can you edit http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Loot with the new code in http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Templates/loot |
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| 01:21.06 | Kirkburn | What's the difference? |
| 01:21.25 | Kirkburn | It's not styling the brackets I see |
| 01:21.36 | Zeal | yes, exists has been removed |
| 01:21.37 | *** join/#wowwiki dok3Dal (n=dok@AStrasbourg-251-1-79-130.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 01:21.46 | Kirkburn | I'll append a note about that |
| 01:21.53 | Zeal | but the classes are there, ready for when css access is here. |
| 01:22.27 | Zeal | it also means have the code, heh. |
| 01:23.20 | Kirkburn | Okay editing now |
| 01:23.44 | Kirkburn | Wait wtf |
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| 01:24.07 | Kirkburn | 2nd try :P |
| 01:24.18 | Kirkburn | I edited your template ^^ |
| 01:26.18 | Zeal | nub :p |
| 01:26.22 | Zeal | ty |
| 01:28.34 | Kirkburn | BBC article on LotR Online - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6386409.stm |
| 01:34.23 | Zeal | bah |
| 01:34.40 | Zeal | Tekkub |
| 01:34.46 | bleetah | I still can't manage to get a non-corrupted d/l for their beta.. I'm gunna switch to torrent d/l |
| 01:35.09 | Zeal | heh |
| 01:35.26 | Karrion | merge suggestion: http://www.wowwiki.com/Rage#Rage_Generation vs http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Rage_generation -- comments? |
| 01:35.43 | Tekkub | what? |
| 01:37.34 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:News#The_State_of_the_Wiki_.28February_2007.29 |
| 01:37.46 | Kirkburn | I've added some news about the latest problem |
| 01:38.22 | Zeal | merge them into the former tbh Karrion |
| 01:38.49 | bleetah | Kirkburn: erm, but it's the 27th today |
| 01:39.05 | Zeal | rofl |
| 01:39.06 | Kirkburn | yes? |
| 01:39.21 | Kirkburn | I'm confused |
| 01:39.41 | Zeal | i think bleetah through the 28 (or 29) was a date :p |
| 01:39.48 | Zeal | not wiki url encode. |
| 01:39.49 | bleetah | ah, prolly |
| 01:39.55 | Zeal | *thought |
| 01:43.25 | Kirkburn | Gonna put a link to it on the front page |
| 01:44.32 | Kirkburn | That single change has made a huge difference |
| 01:44.38 | Kirkburn | vlad_, how fares the server? :) |
| 01:44.59 | Zeal | indeed, it has |
| 01:45.15 | vlad_ | much, much, much happier |
| 01:45.24 | Kirkburn | yay! |
| 01:45.41 | vlad_ | this was really good, because I was starting to look at some pretty crazy hardware |
| 01:45.52 | vlad_ | but runaway software is much easier to fix! |
| 01:45.58 | Kirkburn | Noo, I wants crazy hardware! |
| 01:46.09 | Zeal | rofl |
| 01:46.09 | Kirkburn | Pwease :) |
| 01:46.21 | Kirkburn | Note the template list on http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Tailoring_Levelling_Guide&action=edit now |
| 01:46.23 | Zeal | still in need of the upgrades ;) |
| 01:46.46 | Zeal | still fucked? :S |
| 01:46.57 | Kirkburn | Yes, almost exactly the same :P |
| 01:47.17 | Zeal | rofl.. yeah it's still fucked. |
| 01:47.25 | Zeal | makes no sense.. |
| 01:47.35 | Kirkburn | An idea occurs! |
| 01:47.44 | Kirkburn | vlad_, are you able to look at that page in your VM? |
| 01:48.04 | vlad_ | yeah, I was going to test that tonight |
| 01:48.05 | Zeal | it's still using all the stuff from tooltip, but that's gone :s |
| 01:48.08 | vlad_ | (it's on a box at home) |
| 01:48.31 | Kirkburn | kk :) |
| 01:48.56 | Kirkburn | Surely it's already tonight? West coast or something? |
| 01:49.04 | vlad_ | i'm in california, yeah |
| 01:49.11 | vlad_ | and I shouldn't be at work right now! |
| 01:49.14 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 01:49.28 | MatthewS | details, it's only 5:50 |
| 01:49.59 | Kirkburn | You must love it when we discuss browsers :P |
| 01:50.41 | bleetah | it's already tomorrow here.. so get with it! :-P |
| 01:50.51 | Zeal | http://wowwiki.pastey.net/7270 fyi |
| 01:50.57 | bleetah | yeah, you definately shouldn't be at work, seeing it's tomorrow |
| 01:51.03 | Kirkburn | I have a half finished project to hand in at 12:01pm. Argh. |
| 01:51.14 | bleetah | :( |
| 01:51.37 | Kirkburn | <-- Absolutely f*cking useless |
| 01:51.50 | Kirkburn | I am incapable of doing stuff when I should |
| 01:51.51 | Zeal | lol |
| 01:52.51 | Zeal | i do stuff at a whim or when something forces me to. So everything is usually last minute and unfinished. i have no self-motivation what so ever ;) |
| 01:52.57 | Zeal | *on a |
| 01:54.41 | Zeal | there we go Kirkburn |
| 01:54.50 | Zeal | purge wasn't recaching it seems :S |
| 01:54.55 | Zeal | loosk fine now |
| 01:55.01 | Kirkburn | How!? |
| 01:55.28 | Zeal | still rare needs to have exists removed.. |
| 01:55.44 | Kirkburn | Do it :) |
| 01:55.50 | Kirkburn | Now how on earth did you do that? |
| 01:55.58 | Kirkburn | And should be do it to many pages? |
| 01:56.12 | Zeal | hm? i just made a blank edit |
| 01:56.25 | Zeal | got a feeling i wasn't purging correctly |
| 01:56.30 | Zeal | but meh |
| 01:56.34 | Zeal | and rare is done now. |
| 01:56.47 | Zeal | well, when the wiki catches up with loading :p |
| 01:56.57 | Kirkburn | Ah, so it rebuilds each time |
| 01:57.26 | Zeal | yeah, edit = recache, irregardless of if you actually changed anything :p |
| 01:59.00 | Zeal | just certain parts of the pages aren't recached when an inclusion is recached. |
| 01:59.00 | Zeal | namely the what links here and templates used :P |
| 02:00.31 | Zeal | hm.. come to think of it, those css styles won't work.. they loose priority i think.. not too sure, would have to be tested. |
| 02:01.08 | Zeal | think a:visted would be considered mroe specific than .poor |
| 02:01.29 | Zeal | and certainly a.new:visited |
| 02:02.01 | winkiller | bah, can't edit again |
| 02:03.20 | Kirkburn | Such classic quotes: "Creationism is accepted by most Americans and by the most significant scientists in history. Intolerance by opponents of creationism has led to a silencing of contemporary scientists on this issue, but many risk their careers by speaking out against theories that earth is somehow billions of years old." |
| 02:04.01 | Zeal | ... |
| 02:04.34 | Zeal | gotta love how they preach in the face of facts, and then accuse others of intolerance.. |
| 02:05.19 | bleetah | so lemme get this correct.. to be a successful conservative in the US, one needs to be a religious nutcase? |
| 02:05.26 | Zeal | if i discovered jesus was a dog, it's be intolerance to say that.. |
| 02:05.28 | bleetah | 'coz it seems that way from the outside |
| 02:05.31 | Zeal | *it'd |
| 02:05.43 | Tekkub | great zombie Jesus! |
| 02:05.45 | Zeal | apparently so bleetah |
| 02:06.05 | Zeal | Kirkburn, have you watched dave gorman's googlewhack adventure? |
| 02:06.14 | Kirkburn | I've seen some |
| 02:06.23 | Tekkub | you know, it's really quite sad. Religion and Science need each other, they both explain things which the other cannot... |
| 02:06.30 | Zeal | goes into a bit about the wacky bs spinning creationism. |
| 02:06.44 | Tekkub | and probably 90% of the scientists and religious bastards out there lose sight of that |
| 02:06.54 | Kirkburn | Woo http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Tailoring_Levelling_Guide&action=edit |
| 02:07.06 | bleetah | ever get the feeling that site's being hosted on dialup? |
| 02:07.24 | Zeal | aye Tekkub, but science won't claim religion as fact unless it can be supported, and religion won't claim science as fact if it prooves it wrong or steps on it's toes. |
| 02:07.53 | Tekkub | I'm a scientist, I don't perticularly belive most religious "facts" tho I often agree with their principles... but I don't sit around saying that people who believe religious facts are insane and stupid and going to science hell :P |
| 02:07.58 | Zeal | bleetah, that site is powered by 1000 choir boys in bondage gear.. :p |
| 02:08.11 | Tekkub | that's exactly it Zeal... religion is not fact |
| 02:08.24 | Tekkub | that's not a bad thing, religion cannot be proven is all |
| 02:08.29 | Zeal | aye |
| 02:08.50 | Tekkub | it's the people that proport belief as fact that have lost sight of the true meaning |
| 02:08.52 | bleetah | Feynman (once again) did a great lecture on science and religion.. it's in his 'Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!' book |
| 02:08.53 | Kirkburn | (or disproven, often) |
| 02:09.18 | bleetah | he states that almost any scientist stating something as indisputable fact is full of shit |
| 02:09.35 | Tekkub | same with scientists that discredit beliefs cause they can't be disproven :P |
| 02:09.44 | Kirkburn | Do you want me to edit exists? |
| 02:09.46 | Tekkub | *coughspaghetimonstercough* |
| 02:09.49 | Kirkburn | {{exists}} |
| 02:10.03 | Zeal | i think it's fine if religion wan'ts to deny facts. but don't go accusing others of attacking your religion because they've proven something wrong in your religion, and don't go expecting non-religous people or other religions to twist the facts to meet anyones beliefs. |
| 02:10.09 | Tekkub | bleetah, yup, nothing can be proven :) |
| 02:10.31 | Tekkub | science is a set of consistant observations is all |
| 02:10.41 | Zeal | Kirkburn, if you want't |
| 02:10.51 | Zeal | don't have to |
| 02:10.55 | Tekkub | well Zeal.. yea that's exactly the thing I guess |
| 02:10.58 | Zeal | it might need to be reached though. |
| 02:11.04 | Kirkburn | kk, won't bother |
| 02:11.07 | Tekkub | conflicting beliefs exist |
| 02:11.08 | bleetah | I recommend *any* Feynman book to pretty much anyone |
| 02:11.27 | Tekkub | it's the whole attacking each other over it that's... well... the true basis of religion isn't it? |
| 02:11.32 | bleetah | even the hard understand ones .. 'coz he was a freakin' genius |
| 02:11.43 | Tekkub | Fenny is kewl, yes :) |
| 02:11.51 | bleetah | and damned funny, too |
| 02:12.04 | Zeal | me no ready puny book.. |
| 02:12.05 | Tekkub | I think my lil QED book is by him |
| 02:12.16 | bleetah | strange theory of QED? yeah |
| 02:12.32 | bleetah | my brain started imploding around chapter 3, photons 'travelling backwards in time' or somesuch |
| 02:12.32 | Tekkub | and even my stupid backwoods redneck southern husband could understand that QED book |
| 02:13.02 | bleetah | feynman said 'if anyone states they understand QED, they're lying' ;) |
| 02:13.17 | Tekkub | yea that's in that book, must be his :) |
| 02:14.38 | Zeal | this whole global warming shite is mostly theoretical and over zealous librals and political influence.. there is great disagreement over global warming and it's causes still, it's mostly all evolving theroy. but instead, they want to beleive soemthing merely roughly 200 scientists have agreed a theory on as fact and act upon it and guilt trip people into action. |
| 02:14.42 | Zeal | rar! |
| 02:15.04 | Zeal | better yet, a punching bag. |
| 02:15.22 | bleetah | bollocks.. if you're driving in a car which you know to have faulty brakes.. towards a cliff... in a fog... you don't wait until the last moment to apply the breaks |
| 02:15.50 | Tekkub | no, you wait until you're airborne |
| 02:15.56 | Tekkub | then the weels stop faster |
| 02:16.26 | Tekkub | ugh... "first time str8 boy" gay porn is so boring |
| 02:16.27 | Zeal | bleetah, not saying what they're doing is wrong. but the reasons, the way they're going about it, and the unproven statement's they're spewing are. |
| 02:16.52 | bleetah | Zeal: and I'm saying such denials and statements like the one you made are incredibly dangerous |
| 02:17.07 | Zeal | no not really |
| 02:17.13 | Zeal | either way, we need to take action |
| 02:17.33 | Tekkub | I think Zeal and ckknight are related, don't you Kirkburn |
| 02:17.45 | bleetah | and global warming *isn't* an evolving theory, it's been largely understood since the first space probes reached Venus |
| 02:17.46 | Kirkburn | hahaha |
| 02:17.51 | Zeal | why dp you say that? :S |
| 02:18.06 | Zeal | the reason for it are bleetah |
| 02:18.12 | Zeal | and the process. |
| 02:18.17 | Zeal | less the latter though. |
| 02:18.25 | Tekkub | I'll reason you so hard your ass will hurt for a week |
| 02:18.28 | bleetah | it's the human effect on climate change that's not understood, and by sitting back and watching it take place here is not a sane course of action for trying to stop it in the future |
| 02:18.48 | Zeal | bleetah, care to reread what i've said twice? |
| 02:18.49 | Kirkburn | The process is known, the fact it exists is known, but the effects are difficult to predict |
| 02:19.29 | bleetah | Zeal: I'm trying to wrap my head around 'the reason for it are bleetah and the process less the latter tho' |
| 02:19.36 | Kirkburn | In any case, even if people say it's not our fault, it certainly doesn't suddenly mean "oh well, we don't need to do anything" :P |
| 02:19.48 | Tekkub | really what I don't get is 1) why we're so stubborn to give up century old tech (internal combustion) in this day and age of rapid technological progress |
| 02:19.54 | Zeal | forgot the fullstop? :P |
| 02:20.20 | Kirkburn | And the comma, grammar, and sense? ;) |
| 02:20.21 | bleetah | *I'm trying to wrap my head around 'the reason for it are bleetah and the process. less the latter tho' |
| 02:20.40 | Tekkub | 2) Why they've not made significant advancements in improving that century old tech (my 18yo out of tune CRX gets roughly the same fuel economy as a newer sedan) |
| 02:20.51 | Zeal | Tekkub, production of some of the cleaner fuels and such, are still just as bad as producing fossil fuels. hydrogen for example. |
| 02:21.13 | Kirkburn | Thank you for your earlier look into what your browsing on the net btw |
| 02:21.18 | Kirkburn | @ Tekkub |
| 02:21.30 | Tekkub | browsing? no |
| 02:21.36 | Kirkburn | Watching? |
| 02:21.40 | Tekkub | the hubby had another bittorrent porn binge |
| 02:21.41 | Kirkburn | Taking part in!? |
| 02:21.50 | Zeal | O_o |
| 02:21.50 | Tekkub | the stuff he gets is so stupid :P |
| 02:22.17 | Zeal | lol |
| 02:22.22 | Tekkub | yes, porn is fake, but good porn doesn't *seem* fake |
| 02:22.23 | *** join/#wowwiki gvcoman (n=abc@adsl-76-214-96-71.dsl.toldoh.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:22.28 | Tekkub | his are oh so fake |
| 02:22.32 | Zeal | amatuer, heh. |
| 02:22.35 | Kirkburn | Totally agree |
| 02:22.50 | Zeal | *ftw, heh. |
| 02:22.51 | bleetah | gonzo porn! |
| 02:22.55 | Kirkburn | Implants ftl |
| 02:23.01 | Zeal | indeed |
| 02:23.10 | Zeal | @ implants |
| 02:23.29 | Tekkub | well in this case it's not implants... it's flamers pretending that they're str8 and this is their first time.... it's just so stupid |
| 02:23.30 | Kirkburn | I still maintain having very short / no hair does not make a woman ugly |
| 02:23.36 | bleetah | some of those implanted porn stars could have supercomputers built from the silicon in their chests |
| 02:23.44 | bleetah | maybe they should be classified as weapons |
| 02:23.46 | Kirkburn | Yes, I don't expect men to be having implants Tekkub, I was talking about wimmen :P |
| 02:23.56 | Tekkub | I know, but it's the same effect |
| 02:24.04 | Tekkub | blatently obvious fakery |
| 02:24.10 | Kirkburn | Men with breast implants. Eww. |
| 02:24.20 | bleetah | WTB: Bucket to be ill in |
| 02:24.21 | Zeal | hm.. what does christianity say about the dinosaurs? :S |
| 02:24.32 | Tekkub | pfft, my hubby's got more boobies than some women I've known |
| 02:24.38 | Zeal | lol |
| 02:24.40 | bleetah | hah |
| 02:24.44 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 02:25.09 | bleetah | gtg, have fun space cadets :-D |
| 02:25.24 | bleetah | oh, kirkburn.. did you see the pic of the boobie food I sent you? |
| 02:25.29 | Zeal | lotus breast.. |
| 02:25.30 | Kirkburn | Uh no |
| 02:25.41 | bleetah | it was on the BBC news site.. lemme grab it |
| 02:25.44 | Kirkburn | Wouldn't that be milk? |
| 02:25.44 | bleetah | then I must dash |
| 02:25.51 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 02:25.53 | Zeal | O_o |
| 02:26.11 | Zeal | shushi made to look like a breasts perhaps? |
| 02:26.15 | Zeal | :s |
| 02:26.19 | Zeal | *-s |
| 02:26.29 | bleetah | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/07/sci_nat_unveiling_the_antarctic/html/3.stm |
| 02:26.35 | bleetah | oh, sorry |
| 02:26.37 | bleetah | shag food |
| 02:26.39 | bleetah | my bad |
| 02:26.56 | Zeal | haha |
| 02:27.09 | bleetah | ttfn |
| 02:27.11 | Zeal | sushi.. i wasn't far off ;) |
| 02:27.19 | Zeal | see ya bleetah |
| 02:27.48 | Tekkub | YATTA! |
| 02:28.01 | Zeal | green leaves! |
| 02:29.09 | Zeal | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/yatta.php |
| 02:29.42 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 02:29.52 | Kirkburn | Harkening back to an earlier convo - How about very short hair Zeal, does that also turn you off, or is it just the bald thing? |
| 02:30.05 | Zeal | woah? |
| 02:30.10 | Zeal | when was this convo? :S |
| 02:30.19 | Tekkub | zeal likes buff military women |
| 02:30.28 | Tekkub | he's submissive, I can tell |
| 02:30.29 | Zeal | if we're talking about women, yes short hair is a turn off. |
| 02:30.39 | Kirkburn | I am debating whether to send you this link |
| 02:30.54 | Zeal | preferablly i am Tekkub, my i prefer an equal pegging ;) |
| 02:30.58 | Zeal | *but |
| 02:31.03 | Zeal | *-preferablly |
| 02:31.13 | Kirkburn | It is somewhat NSFW |
| 02:31.26 | Zeal | i don't care lol |
| 02:31.53 | Tekkub | equal.. so you like to switch around eh? |
| 02:32.31 | Zeal | nah not switch, equal ;) |
| 02:32.46 | Zeal | and yeah, she's nasty Kirkburn :P |
| 02:32.57 | Kirkburn | Liar! |
| 02:33.07 | Kirkburn | Did you look at the rest of the gallery? |
| 02:33.11 | Zeal | er.. nope |
| 02:33.43 | Zeal | now i have, still same verdict :P |
| 02:33.47 | Kirkburn | Weirdo |
| 02:33.53 | Zeal | lol |
| 02:34.06 | Zeal | below the ears or eew :p |
| 02:34.15 | Tekkub | ah I forgot how freakishly wacky the yatta vido is |
| 02:34.21 | Tekkub | fucking insane JP |
| 02:34.30 | Kirkburn | Zeal, you're just so so so so sooooo wrong! :) |
| 02:35.09 | Zeal | lol |
| 02:36.18 | Zeal | jimaji! |
| 02:36.46 | Kirkburn | I could probably post the SFW picture of the gallery so others can compare |
| 02:36.54 | Zeal | lol |
| 02:37.00 | Kirkburn | And tell you how wrong you are |
| 02:37.39 | Zeal | http://pic.freeporn.hu/veronica_vanoza_strong_and_sexy/01.jpg that one? |
| 02:37.47 | Kirkburn | Yes, okay that one |
| 02:37.57 | Zeal | i want to hit it with a shovel.. |
| 02:38.12 | Kirkburn | You scare me |
| 02:38.17 | Zeal | rofl |
| 02:38.22 | Kirkburn | (unlike her. She doesn't) |
| 02:38.56 | Zeal | should also mention, given the choice, i go for the more plump women ;) |
| 02:39.10 | Kirkburn | She's not that thin, but I'm the same |
| 02:39.49 | Kirkburn | We appear to be somewhat off topic ... and I love it! :P |
| 02:40.06 | Zeal | "umm i beleave wow is warcraft 4, 5 ands even 6 mixed together and so do lots of peepole at biizzard so... yeah nice try though" <-- wtf? O_o |
| 02:40.19 | Kirkburn | ??? |
| 02:40.55 | Zeal | someone replying to me on the wow radio forums |
| 02:41.04 | Zeal | about the future of warcrafr lore. |
| 02:41.23 | *** part/#wowwiki MatthewS (n=duncan@dancewithdevils.com) |
| 02:41.31 | Kirkburn | weird |
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| 02:43.03 | Kirkburn | Where'd he go? |
| 02:43.11 | Zeal | athens..? |
| 02:43.15 | Tekkub | I think I'm gonna subject Dustin to that at work tomorrow |
| 02:43.23 | Tekkub | he already thinks I'm insane |
| 02:43.24 | Kirkburn | For how long!? |
| 02:43.30 | Tekkub | that ougght drive the point |
| 02:43.32 | Zeal | don't remember |
| 02:43.40 | Kirkburn | Tekkub, subject him to what? |
| 02:43.49 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.49 | Zeal | said he's sort out net and stuff when hes there |
| 02:43.49 | Tekkub | R |
| 02:43.54 | Tekkub | doubble E |
| 02:43.57 | Tekkub | N |
| 02:43.57 | Zeal | he's studying over there for a while iirc :s |
| 02:43.59 | Tekkub | LEAVES! |
| 02:44.14 | Kirkburn | :O |
| 02:44.45 | Tekkub | the one chubbyish guy ain't bad, I like that chubby JP guys aren't afraid to be shirtless |
| 02:44.57 | Tekkub | just... they shouldn't nair their whole body :) |
| 02:47.30 | Zeal | It's so easy, happy go lucky. We are the world-oh! We did it! Hyuu! Hyuu! Hyuu! Hyuu! Osu! Osu! Osu! Osu! Ai! |
| 02:47.41 | Zeal | JP? |
| 02:47.46 | Kirkburn | Japanese |
| 02:47.50 | Zeal | ah |
| 02:47.51 | Tekkub | yea |
| 02:47.59 | Kirkburn | "nair"? |
| 02:48.06 | Zeal | hair removal cream |
| 02:48.13 | Tekkub | it's easier to type, and "jap" kinda gets taken as a racial slur |
| 02:48.21 | Zeal | yeah, i jsut say jap |
| 02:48.32 | Tekkub | yea, but you're an incensative prick |
| 02:48.36 | Kirkburn | Wow, never heard of Nair |
| 02:48.37 | Zeal | people can take it as they wan't. |
| 02:48.43 | Tekkub | s/inc/ins/ |
| 02:48.49 | Kirkburn | Tekkub, you're so right about who he's like! |
| 02:48.50 | Zeal | lol Tekkub, ouch |
| 02:49.07 | Tekkub | take it as you want ^^ |
| 02:49.13 | Kirkburn | I don't think I would ever remove hair from my legs or arms |
| 02:49.16 | Zeal | "who"? :s |
| 02:49.32 | Zeal | can only be taken one way :P |
| 02:49.41 | Kirkburn | Armpits and ...elsewhere... is a different matter |
| 02:49.43 | Tekkub | Kirk: I lived with, and in a month will be living with again, a guy that does |
| 02:49.49 | Tekkub | and paints his toenails :P |
| 02:49.55 | Zeal | i'm a sensative but arrogant bastard. :p |
| 02:50.35 | Zeal | i should say no, that's it's not good for "elsewhere" ¬_¬;; |
| 02:50.37 | Zeal | *now |
| 02:50.44 | Tekkub | I played FFXI, JP just got engrained in me there |
| 02:50.51 | Kirkburn | It's "now" good for elsewhere? |
| 02:51.06 | Zeal | **say now ;) |
| 02:51.42 | Zeal | it's not like i'm calling them japeyes.. |
| 02:52.00 | Kirkburn | This reminds me of a certain phrase "Once you've tried it, you never go back" |
| 02:52.14 | Zeal | once you pop you just can't stop? |
| 02:52.23 | Kirkburn | Um, no. Not that one. :P |
| 02:52.27 | Zeal | haha |
| 02:52.30 | Tekkub | what you carr american wif PHD in physics and chemistry? |
| 02:52.43 | Tekkub | STUPID AMERICAN! |
| 02:52.49 | Zeal | erm.. a ford? |
| 02:52.59 | Zeal | :p |
| 02:53.06 | Kirkburn | A Gerald! |
| 02:53.59 | Zeal | i know nothing about cars except i have a liking on 4 certain brands and more specifically soem of their models :p |
| 02:54.23 | Zeal | *of 4 |
| 02:57.07 | Kirkburn | Zeal, so you were saying, you like your men hairy? |
| 02:57.16 | Zeal | ... |
| 02:57.18 | Zeal | no! |
| 02:57.32 | Zeal | just i don't recommend nair for "elsewhere" |
| 02:58.04 | Kirkburn | Ah, I see, you were specifically meaning Nair |
| 02:58.08 | Kirkburn | And god no! |
| 02:58.30 | Kirkburn | I wasn't suggesting that, there. Ow. |
| 03:00.10 | Kirkburn | I wonder what the "style" situation will be in 10, 20 years. Will men shaving become more prevalent? |
| 03:00.24 | Kirkburn | It definately seems to be the way atm |
| 03:01.25 | Zeal | it's the age of the mtero sexual.. |
| 03:01.25 | Tekkub | I honestly don't get thet |
| 03:01.40 | Tekkub | why would you want to shave in the first place? |
| 03:01.42 | Zeal | most people i've asked don't/wouldn't want a guy to |
| 03:01.48 | Kirkburn | Comfort, I guess |
| 03:02.12 | Kirkburn | Just how often do you ask women about this, Zeal? :P |
| 03:02.23 | equiraptor | I like it when the guy shaves. |
| 03:02.23 | Tekkub | hair growing back in is much less comfortable that having it full grown... |
| 03:02.35 | Tekkub | itchy... |
| 03:02.36 | equiraptor | But, yeah, hair growing back is... er... :/ |
| 03:02.45 | Kirkburn | From experience, it's not that bad |
| 03:02.54 | equiraptor | From experience, it is for me. :-P |
| 03:02.59 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 03:03.01 | Tekkub | yea, it is |
| 03:03.10 | Kirkburn | If you do it too often, true |
| 03:03.14 | Zeal | haha, didn't realize yatta was so political.. |
| 03:03.23 | Tekkub | it is? |
| 03:03.40 | Tekkub | cat's being incessantly annoyingly cute |
| 03:03.44 | Tekkub | must be out of food |
| 03:03.55 | Zeal | Japan's got crises (but) |
| 03:04.05 | Tekkub | I'll make her suffer a bit more, just cause it's cute |
| 03:04.08 | Zeal | "We've got recession these days...in goverment we've no faith." |
| 03:04.15 | Tekkub | oh |
| 03:05.23 | Zeal | and Kirkburn, lol. can't say i've asked myself too often, though i have asked. but the main consensus is from forum topics ;) |
| 03:06.45 | Zeal | this needs more plugging ; ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu_9Joygyno |
| 03:07.11 | Kirkburn | I've not read too many forums that have covered it, but from what I've read, the "smoothie" look is supposedly becoming more common. |
| 03:07.50 | Zeal | you hanging out at the gay communities Kirkburn? ;) |
| 03:08.02 | Zeal | lol, it probably has become more common for men too |
| 03:08.24 | Kirkburn | That's what I was meaning, and no, nothing to do with the gay community, this is in general! |
| 03:08.31 | Zeal | *-too *though |
| 03:09.06 | Zeal | but i still think overall, the consensus is against it, and more so from women. |
| 03:09.30 | Kirkburn | Good comments you've got on the vid btw |
| 03:09.50 | Zeal | meh |
| 03:09.53 | Kirkburn | Bah, I don't care for consensus :P |
| 03:10.09 | Zeal | that one guy was a bit of a fool, couldn't even figure out how to reply to comments.. |
| 03:10.20 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 03:11.21 | Zeal | complains about the fight scenes not flowing, and then suggests the part that does flow, be changed to a fight scene.. gg. |
| 03:11.49 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 03:12.12 | Zeal | ended up adding the link to the full one and a not about the youtube sync problems.. |
| 03:12.16 | Zeal | stupid youtube.. |
| 03:12.21 | Zeal | *a note |
| 03:22.10 | Kirkburn | I must say, Christopher Ecclestone's role on Heroes was awesome |
| 03:22.17 | Zeal | gah! |
| 03:22.24 | Zeal | i forgot to pu that on record.. |
| 03:22.27 | Zeal | ffs |
| 03:22.30 | Kirkburn | EZTV ftw |
| 03:22.35 | Zeal | hm? |
| 03:22.55 | Kirkburn | http://www.eztvefnet.org/ |
| 03:24.41 | Zeal | no worky :( |
| 03:24.49 | Zeal | timing out |
| 03:24.54 | Kirkburn | Slow atm |
| 03:24.56 | Zeal | ok, here we go |
| 03:24.59 | Kirkburn | Not normally :) |
| 03:24.59 | Zeal | heh |
| 03:25.16 | Zeal | bah, lame. just a tracker |
| 03:25.20 | Kirkburn | Got episodes 1-17 over the weekend :) |
| 03:25.25 | Kirkburn | How is that lame? |
| 03:25.25 | Zeal | i don't want to watch stuff on my pc :( |
| 03:25.36 | Kirkburn | What on earth did you think I was linking? |
| 03:25.40 | Zeal | tv, films.. none of it. |
| 03:25.59 | Zeal | given the choice at least |
| 03:26.09 | Kirkburn | Still don't understand what you thought I was linking |
| 03:26.18 | Zeal | webtv? |
| 03:26.25 | Kirkburn | ah |
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| 03:39.23 | Kirkburn | OMG cladhaire! :) |
| 03:39.40 | cladhaire | o hai |
| 03:39.58 | Kirkburn | Moar clad! |
| 03:41.46 | bleetah | kibo's webtv page! http://www.kibo.com/webtv/webtv.html |
| 03:41.52 | Deathface | hey...are all instances in wow not working? |
| 03:42.05 | Deathface | just tried BF and ramparts and no mobs |
| 03:42.38 | Zeal | lolz |
| 03:43.02 | Deathface | ? |
| 03:47.49 | Zeal | no idea, sorry. jsut found it funny :p |
| 03:51.25 | Deathface | lol np |
| 03:56.32 | Tekkub | they didn't install the parser funcs when they upgraded the wiki did they? |
| 03:56.34 | Tekkub | *checks* |
| 03:56.55 | Tekkub | nope, bitches |
| 03:57.11 | Tekkub | oh they've not done it yet |
| 03:57.18 | Tekkub | make sure they put that in! :) |
| 03:58.58 | Tekkub | since *someone* is bithcing about {{Exists}} :) |
| 04:00.20 | Zeal | hm? |
| 04:01.01 | Tekkub | yea, wasn't here |
| 04:01.06 | Zeal | ah |
| 04:01.28 | Zeal | well {exists} is going b'bye, not to be used. |
| 04:01.36 | Zeal | *{..} |
| 04:02.13 | Zeal | considering it was mainly my own templates that made use of it, it's mostly been put out of use now. |
| 04:02.23 | Tekkub | yes well that's my argument for parser funcs |
| 04:02.28 | Zeal | hehe |
| 04:02.32 | Tekkub | :) |
| 04:02.55 | Tekkub | there's a nice exists in there |
| 04:02.55 | Zeal | most of the stuff exists was used for can be replaced with css anyways |
| 04:02.58 | Zeal | but yes. |
| 04:03.33 | Zeal | css access, the upgrade and parser functions are all coming at the same time. well parse functions possibly shortly after, but definitely the first two. |
| 04:18.21 | Tekkub | Zeal |
| 04:18.26 | Tekkub | I can say only one thing |
| 04:18.53 | Tekkub | YATTA! |
| 04:19.01 | Zeal | lol |
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| 04:22.52 | Zeal | well i need to make foods, and i think imma call it a night |
| 04:22.54 | Zeal | nn all |
| 04:26.05 | Kirkburn | This image was created entirely in Paint - http://www.pixelgod.net/img/gallery/paintcar.jpg |
| 04:28.18 | Tekkub | and that's very obvious by the lack of smothe edges |
| 04:28.48 | Tekkub | and the 256-color palette :) |
| 04:29.22 | Tekkub | also those two rims don't match |
| 04:29.55 | bleetah | kinda OT, but maybe not right now... if anyone finds me the original of http://www.bleeter.org/armed_and_dangerous.jpg I'd be eternally greatful |
| 04:32.17 | bleetah | and.. lastly.. any last.fm users here to add to my 'friends' list? |
| 04:39.50 | Kirkburn | Why is it people insist that it's safe to run a PC without 1). a software firewall 2). anti-virus and 3). anti-spyware |
| 04:40.29 | bleetah | Kirkburn: the majority of people are clueless idiots |
| 04:41.07 | Kirkburn | People keep saying "I've run without a virus checker for 2 years and I've never had a problem!", and I just cannot find the words to describe them |
| 04:41.48 | Kirkburn | I mean, for one, if you don't have a bloody virus checker, there's nothing to tell you if you have an infection! |
| 04:42.16 | Kirkburn | (this is leading on from this thread I've been posting in - http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=541894&st=30&gopid=588354033&#entry588354033 ) |
| 04:43.09 | bleetah | I'm amused no end by the LOTRO folks telling me to virus check my system after the downloaded installer has now 4 times been flagged as corrupt |
| 04:43.21 | Kirkburn | :/ |
| 04:43.35 | Kirkburn | Because that's what viruses do, of course |
| 04:43.56 | bleetah | I'm at a point now where I'm going to show them the wget logs, of their servers falling over roughly ever 2 hours, causing a retry partial download thing |
| 04:44.37 | Kirkburn | It's quite obvious that you have a virus that inserts the letter B randomly onto your downloads somehow, and does nothing else. |
| 04:44.51 | bleetah | yeah, that nasty virus that targets the same source file, install phase, as hundreds of other users.. at exactly the same place |
| 04:45.02 | Kirkburn | Exactly! |
| 04:45.25 | bleetah | actually, I'm suprised some conspiracy nut ain't suggested it's the warden inserting said virus into the system to stop LOTRO from working |
| 04:45.44 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 04:45.51 | bleetah | 'coz no doubt most of these users also play WoW |
| 04:47.57 | clad|sleep | ;-) |
| 04:47.59 | clad|sleep | i'm gonna go take drugs instead |
| 04:48.02 | clad|sleep | OOH dongle revamp rocks |
| 04:48.08 | Kirkburn | Yeah, was gonna offer you sleeping pills |
| 04:48.08 | clad|sleep | i wish i could work on it during the day tomorrow |
| 04:48.09 | clad|sleep | eff work |
| 04:48.18 | Kirkburn | or Rohipnol |
| 04:48.19 | clad|sleep | I have a muscle relaxant, and a respiratory drug that knocks me out =) |
| 04:48.27 | clad|sleep | hot |
| 04:48.34 | Kirkburn | *rohypnol |
| 04:48.41 | Kirkburn | ~surprise |
| 04:48.46 | infobot | BUTTSECKS! |
| 04:48.56 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 04:49.22 | Kirkburn | Sleep well, and remember to leave your window open. |
| 04:50.33 | Kirkburn | You know, with Vista there are going to be people who turn off UAC, the Windows Firewall, Windows Defender and don't bother with anti-virus stuff ... cause "they know what they're doing". Why, god, why? |
| 04:51.52 | Kirkburn | Btw a BBC news story about LOTRO - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6386409.stm |
| 04:59.13 | Kirkburn | http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=539032&st=105&gopid=588354063&#entry588354063 :P |
| 05:10.26 | iko|FTH | did anyone have the link to the calculator that shows how much damage a druid will lose? |
| 05:14.27 | iko|FTH | nvm found it |
| 05:16.43 | vlad_ | Kirkburn: I have UAC turned off |
| 05:16.47 | bleetah | is 2.0.10 going live tonight? |
| 05:17.01 | Kirkburn | vlad_, yes, but you have the other stuff, right? |
| 05:17.06 | vlad_ | windows defender is Mostly Harmless |
| 05:17.06 | vlad_ | firewall works fine |
| 05:17.10 | vlad_ | yeah, I do |
| 05:17.14 | Kirkburn | Good, good :) |
| 05:17.15 | vlad_ | they're not very intrusive |
| 05:17.33 | Kirkburn | I'm not saying they all have to be there, but some people will turn them *all* off :/ |
| 05:17.34 | vlad_ | UAC is a great idea, poor implementation |
| 05:17.48 | Kirkburn | Aye, it is unfortunate |
| 05:19.15 | Kirkburn | (I still maintain one should have UAC on ... but I can see the pain for 'power' users who are often reconfiguring stuff, etc) |
| 05:19.46 | Kirkburn | It *should* get better as more apps are coded better |
| 05:20.53 | vlad_ | yeah |
| 05:20.58 | vlad_ | it's a ballsy move by MS for sure |
| 05:21.02 | vlad_ | but it could have been done better |
| 05:21.23 | vlad_ | I spent a little while talking with one of their UAC folks when I was visiting MS a few months ago |
| 05:21.28 | vlad_ | they're not entirely happy with it |
| 05:21.42 | vlad_ | but there are some bugs that infuriate me.. and it's cosmetic stuff |
| 05:21.47 | vlad_ | like it does the secure desktop switch to pop up the UAC prompt |
| 05:21.48 | Kirkburn | I know they're unhappy with the double prompting |
| 05:22.06 | Kirkburn | Ah yeah, nVidia's drivers for that switch are awful atm |
| 05:22.06 | vlad_ | but when it does that, with 99% of the video drivers out there, you get a black-screen for a split second while the desktop switch happens |
| 05:22.15 | Kirkburn | I get about 2 seconds of a blank screen |
| 05:22.17 | vlad_ | ATI had the problem too |
| 05:22.27 | vlad_ | like I had a MS guy demoing UAC for me |
| 05:22.35 | vlad_ | I said "hey, that blink, that sucks" |
| 05:22.36 | vlad_ | "what blink?" |
| 05:22.38 | vlad_ | "that black screen" |
| 05:22.41 | vlad_ | "what black screen?" |
| 05:22.49 | vlad_ | "get a UAC prompt up" |
| 05:22.55 | vlad_ | "ok" "did you see the blink?" "what blink?" |
| 05:23.00 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 05:23.10 | vlad_ | I finally got him to realize what I was talking about |
| 05:23.14 | vlad_ | "oh that, that's a feature" |
| 05:23.15 | vlad_ | ?!?!?!?! |
| 05:23.31 | Kirkburn | Ouch |
| 05:23.51 | vlad_ | this was a devrel liaison guy though |
| 05:23.58 | vlad_ | not the UAC people, heh |
| 05:24.21 | Kirkburn | Still :/ |
| 05:25.04 | vlad_ | yeah |
| 05:25.13 | Kirkburn | vlad_, do you runs with it completely off? |
| 05:25.14 | vlad_ | there's a way to turn off just the secure desktop switch, and he showed me |
| 05:25.20 | vlad_ | but you have to twiddle group policy and the like |
| 05:25.40 | Kirkburn | Cause there's a way to make it auto accept the prompts, which is much safer |
| 05:25.42 | vlad_ | and when I went to do it on my real install a few weeks ago, I spent 5 mins trying to remember how to get to it, said screw it, and just turned the whole damn thing off |
| 05:26.22 | Kirkburn | http://brandonlive.com/2007/02/06/more-secure-way-to-disable-uac-without-losing-protected-mode-ie/ |
| 05:26.49 | Kirkburn | That's a much better way of "diaabling" UAC |
| 05:27.16 | vlad_ | yeah but |
| 05:27.20 | vlad_ | why do I care about protected mode IE? =) |
| 05:27.28 | Kirkburn | It's not just that :P |
| 05:27.52 | Kirkburn | Consider it at least :) |
| 05:27.57 | Kirkburn | I'm off for a nap |
| 05:28.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Toodles! |
| 05:30.57 | vlad_ | see ya |
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| 06:46.59 | Sky2042 | evening alls |
| 06:47.05 | Sky2042 | how are ye this night? |
| 06:47.15 | Sky2042 | morning, for some of you. :p |
| 06:51.07 | Sky2042 | kirk, you awake at the moment, or actually afk? |
| 06:51.55 | bleetah | afternoon! :P |
| 06:51.59 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 06:52.15 | Sky2042 | lern2notliveinasia ;P |
| 06:56.50 | Sky2042 | actually, any of the admins on? :/ |
| 07:02.48 | Tekkub | no |
| 07:12.26 | Sky2042 | lol |
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| 07:18.06 | bleetah | I'm about as far from continental Asia as one can get in this region |
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| 07:29.21 | Sky2042 | well, where are you that you're -8h pst? :/. +8h pst is greenwhich standard... |
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| 07:48.05 | bleetah | +11 GMT |
| 07:48.28 | bleetah | although that's DST, usually just +10 |
| 07:49.40 | Sky2042 | huh? |
| 07:49.51 | Sky2042 | name me a place. xD |
| 07:50.30 | bleetah | eastern australia |
| 07:51.03 | bleetah | but... *way* south |
| 07:58.17 | Sky2042 | omgomgomgomgomg just broke 1k edits. rawr |
| 07:58.21 | Sky2042 | :O |
| 07:58.46 | Sky2042 | ok, maybe not -_- |
| 08:00.39 | Sky2042 | 50 contribs short. ;( |
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| 11:38.34 | winkiller | arg, someone edited Felstalker_Armor and told me to use {{:Felstalker Belt}} when the item pages are created. now I have Template:Settable/Felstalker Belt in the final page |
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| 11:51.16 | winkiller | ah, fixed |
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| 14:25.45 | Tuqui-tuqui | hi! |
| 14:25.47 | Tuqui-tuqui | Tepet |
| 14:25.49 | Tuqui-tuqui | check yet? |
| 14:26.50 | Tepetkhet | Yup. |
| 14:27.11 | Tuqui-tuqui | yay! \o/ |
| 14:28.45 | Tuqui-tuqui | So, I went to Timbermaw area last night and got my hated rating to about 5 or 10 |
| 14:28.57 | Tuqui-tuqui | then Im told to cross to the other side and not attack any timbermaws |
| 14:29.13 | Tuqui-tuqui | but accidently my ice shield froze one of them... and I went back to full hated -.- |
| 14:29.20 | Tepetkhet | ... |
| 14:29.30 | Tuqui-tuqui | stupid shield... *mumble* |
| 14:43.12 | dok3Dal | how can your ice shield froze someone that isnt attacking you ? |
| 14:43.37 | Tuqui-tuqui | Im ice specced |
| 14:43.49 | Tepetkhet | So? |
| 14:44.16 | equiraptor | It only procs on thing that hit you, unless they've (very) recently changed it. |
| 14:44.30 | dok3Dal | very very very recently :p |
| 14:44.33 | Tepetkhet | If they changed it so that it automatically aggros everything around you, that's bad. |
| 14:44.53 | Tuqui-tuqui | theres a talent that gives a chance to target being frozen when you are hit |
| 14:45.02 | Tuqui-tuqui | where are the talent builds? |
| 14:45.04 | dok3Dal | "when you are hit" |
| 14:45.07 | Tuqui-tuqui | christ... cant find them |
| 14:45.23 | dok3Dal | so : <dok3Dal> how can your ice shield froze someone that isnt attacking you ? |
| 14:45.46 | Tuqui-tuqui | there we go |
| 14:45.49 | Tuqui-tuqui | its called Frostbite |
| 14:45.53 | Tuqui-tuqui | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html |
| 14:46.12 | equiraptor | And... How did the chill effect end up on the mob? |
| 14:46.24 | Tuqui-tuqui | with my shield -.- |
| 14:46.25 | equiraptor | You said you were out of hated, right? |
| 14:46.31 | equiraptor | Why did the mob attack you? |
| 14:46.31 | Tepetkhet | In other words, why was the mob attacking you? |
| 14:46.31 | Tuqui-tuqui | I always have two things up |
| 14:46.34 | Tuqui-tuqui | AI |
| 14:46.52 | Tepetkhet | Why did the timbermaw attack you? |
| 14:46.55 | Tuqui-tuqui | wait what? |
| 14:47.04 | Tuqui-tuqui | because you start with hated rep with the timbermaw paw |
| 14:47.04 | equiraptor | The shield only does *anything* if a mob hits you. |
| 14:47.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | exactly |
| 14:47.09 | equiraptor | You weren't out of hated? |
| 14:47.13 | Tepetkhet | You were still hated? |
| 14:47.16 | Tepetkhet | And tried to run past them? |
| 14:47.19 | Tepetkhet | Ah ha. |
| 14:47.21 | Tuqui-tuqui | ... |
| 14:47.36 | Tepetkhet | You were almost there... |
| 14:47.44 | Tepetkhet | You should have gone the extra step to get out of hated. |
| 14:47.47 | equiraptor | <Tuqui-tuqui> So, I went to Timbermaw area last night and got my hated rating to about 5 or 10 <-- that wasn't exactly the clearest way to phrase it. |
| 14:48.12 | equiraptor | Since you tried to run through the tunnel, I figured you meant you were 5 or 10 points into the non-hostile one. |
| 14:48.26 | Tuqui-tuqui | even if you go down from hated |
| 14:48.30 | Tuqui-tuqui | you still have unfriendly |
| 14:48.36 | equiraptor | But they don't attack you at unfriendly. |
| 14:48.48 | equiraptor | They're a reddish orange at unfriendly, not red. |
| 14:49.31 | Tuqui-tuqui | meh |
| 14:49.37 | Tuqui-tuqui | mistake |
| 14:49.39 | Tuqui-tuqui | doesnt make a difference now |
| 14:49.48 | equiraptor | Except we can tease you about it. :-P |
| 14:49.56 | Tuqui-tuqui | XD |
| 14:50.31 | winkiller | ffs, "too many instances recently" that'snew, right? |
| 14:50.39 | equiraptor | Fairly, yeah. |
| 14:50.46 | equiraptor | I think it showed up when they let you reset instances. |
| 14:50.56 | winkiller | I wanted the Butcher's Cleaver and I got 3 Butcher's Slicer from SFK now |
| 14:51.07 | equiraptor | Give it a little bit. |
| 14:51.20 | equiraptor | I've heard some people say that wears off in as little as an hour, but I'm not sure I believe it. |
| 14:51.41 | winkiller | the mighty bear had to leave anyways |
| 14:51.47 | equiraptor | Pout. |
| 14:51.58 | equiraptor | Have him come with you again tomorrow, or whenever. :) |
| 14:52.02 | winkiller | too bad, no decent warrior offhands to find at 22 |
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| 14:55.26 | Tepetkhet | My website has excessive padding at the top of menus and I don't know why. |
| 15:02.07 | dok3Dal | you are limited to 5 instances/hour |
| 15:02.34 | equiraptor | Ah, so it does wear off in ~ an hour? |
| 15:02.38 | equiraptor | Great. Thank you, dok3Dal. |
| 15:03.11 | dok3Dal | I dont know if you need to wait one hour since you last instance or since your last -4 one |
| 15:03.16 | dok3Dal | second solution I think |
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| 15:03.48 | equiraptor | Right. |
| 15:07.01 | winkiller | ah, thanks |
| 15:07.11 | winkiller | well - the druid ran to baron Silverlaine in 6:45 |
| 15:07.21 | winkiller | so our 5 runs were ~35min :P |
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| 15:12.05 | Kirk_Uni | Did I just make my home IRC quit? P |
| 15:13.00 | winkiller | seems so |
| 15:22.00 | Kirk_Uni | Didn't mean to! |
| 15:22.22 | Kirk_Uni | How goeth everyone this fine day? |
| 15:22.44 | Tuqui-tuqui | I have a question regarding cooldowns |
| 15:23.02 | Tuqui-tuqui | if Im equipped with something that has a shared cooldown with another item in my backpack |
| 15:23.13 | Tuqui-tuqui | does the item in the backpack also start the cooldown? |
| 15:23.36 | Tuqui-tuqui | even if it is not equipped? |
| 15:24.06 | Kirk_Uni | I don't think so |
| 15:24.20 | Tuqui-tuqui | cool |
| 15:24.26 | Tuqui-tuqui | so I can use a trinket |
| 15:24.34 | Tuqui-tuqui | then switch it immediately yo my other trinket |
| 15:24.48 | Tuqui-tuqui | to* |
| 15:27.16 | Kirk_Uni | Switching trinkets triggers the cooldown |
| 15:27.32 | Tuqui-tuqui | whether it be in my backpack or not? |
| 15:27.56 | Kirk_Uni | Say you use a trinket, when you switch to the other, it will immediately start the cooldown |
| 15:28.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | ahh.... I got ya |
| 15:28.16 | Tuqui-tuqui | so it wont be in CD in my backpack |
| 15:28.20 | Kirk_Uni | Just from being equipped ) |
| 15:28.22 | Tuqui-tuqui | but the moment I equip it |
| 15:28.25 | Tuqui-tuqui | it will be in CD |
| 15:29.17 | Kirk_Uni | Tbh, the best way is just to test it P |
| 15:29.21 | Tuqui-tuqui | heh |
| 15:29.29 | Tuqui-tuqui | but for that I need to get the trinkets first :p |
| 15:29.56 | Tuqui-tuqui | I wanna see if summoning trinkets can work if they are not equipped at the same time |
| 15:30.01 | Tuqui-tuqui | Im starting a menagerie :D |
| 15:32.31 | Kirk_Uni | lol |
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| 16:07.55 | Montag_ | Tuqui-tuqui: Are you asking if switching to one trinket that has a shared cooldown will also start a cooldown on the other item that shares the cooldown? |
| 16:08.03 | Montag_ | ^switch = equipping in this case |
| 16:10.45 | Tuqui-tuqui | yes |
| 16:10.55 | Tuqui-tuqui | even if it is on my backpack |
| 16:11.24 | Montag_ | I haven't tested it, but I believe equipping a trinket only ever triggers the cooldown of that item. However, using the item triggers all shared cooldowns. |
| 16:11.52 | zeal | Kirkburn, I've run without a virus checker for 2 years and I've never had a problem! ;) |
| 16:12.02 | zeal | well actually, 4 years, lol. |
| 16:12.32 | Montag_ | Zeal: What's your computer's dodge rating at right now? ;-) |
| 16:12.58 | Zeal | nah, it has high parry rating :p |
| 16:13.23 | Zeal | lots of defense too. |
| 16:13.54 | Montag_ | I dunno. How can it have a high defense rating without a *shield*? |
| 16:14.06 | Zeal | i have a firewall? |
| 16:14.33 | Zeal | virus check is like having crit rating on top of that.. |
| 16:14.41 | Zeal | not really needed :P |
| 16:15.02 | Montag_ | True, firewall > virus checker. |
| 16:15.06 | Zeal | crit rating? i need to wake up |
| 16:15.10 | Zeal | *spirit |
| 16:15.16 | Montag_ | Although I'm going to have to really think on this analogy. |
| 16:15.21 | Montag_ | It's entertaining. |
| 16:15.24 | Zeal | lol |
| 16:15.36 | equiraptor | With smart use, one can avoid viruses on windows without use of a firewall or virus scanner, but it should be behind NAT and it can be a pain, at times. |
| 16:15.38 | Zeal | yes.. i didn't think it through in the slightest. |
| 16:15.50 | Zeal | yes, i'm behind a nat |
| 16:15.55 | equiraptor | I get attacked for saying that a lot, but it's true! |
| 16:15.58 | Zeal | and i also allow windows firewall to run |
| 16:16.10 | Zeal | and run windows defender. |
| 16:16.10 | equiraptor | It's not meant to recommend that people run without antivirus, though. :) |
| 16:16.12 | Montag_ | Virus checker is more like resilience. A firewall is more like a shield with a high defense rating. |
| 16:16.12 | Zeal | that's it. |
| 16:16.31 | Montag_ | Not using either and just getting lucky is a high dodge rating. |
| 16:16.34 | Zeal | if you can't be hit, who cares? hehe. |
| 16:16.36 | equiraptor | I ran a windows box behind NAT with no firewall, antivirus, or antispyware for a few months. |
| 16:16.51 | equiraptor | I turned off a lot of services, though, and kept it thoroughly patched and was careful about what I did. |
| 16:16.55 | Montag_ | And Linux = pally. |
| 16:17.03 | Zeal | lol |
| 16:17.05 | equiraptor | And OBSD == GM |
| 16:17.12 | Tuqui-tuqui | heh |
| 16:18.08 | equiraptor | OpenBSD is scary sometimes. |
| 16:19.23 | Zeal | 2/19 emails not spam.. |
| 16:19.30 | Zeal | *3 |
| 16:22.27 | Montag_ | I've heard from several sources that of all the e-mail sent on the Internet, 90% is spam, so if less than 90% of my e-mail is spam, I feel like I made out. |
| 16:24.03 | equiraptor | I'm hungry. |
| 16:24.19 | Tuqui-tuqui | oh... |
| 16:24.22 | Tuqui-tuqui | guess what |
| 16:26.14 | Zeal | aye Montag_, that's usually about right. |
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| 16:27.56 | Tepetkhet | How about if you just be careful where you run through and don't aggro? |
| 16:38.13 | Zeal | Tepetkhet, that's usually what i do on top of all that ovely defense and parry ;) |
| 16:38.32 | Zeal | i've also got the old version of blessing of freedom.. so no daze, lol |
| 16:39.46 | Montag_ | Stupid proofing templates is difficult... User:Montag/Pcbar is getting way too complex. |
| 16:45.17 | Montag_ | Problem: You have a list of arguments separated by ·. Any of them could exist, or none of them could exist. You don't want a middot before the first argument or after the last argument. How do you place middots correctly without checking to see if all preceeding or following arguments exist every time to slap down a middot? |
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| 17:10.40 | Zeal | lol Montagg |
| 17:11.01 | Montagg | Yeah. It's a waste of time. =c) |
| 17:11.05 | Montagg | Oo, class. Later guys. |
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| 17:11.39 | Zeal | you could do it Montagg, though it'd be stupidly nested :P |
| 17:17.30 | Zeal | this is when :first and :last in css come in handy |
| 17:17.43 | Zeal | well, :after |
| 17:17.46 | Zeal | and :before |
| 17:19.10 | Zeal | er.. Montagg why do you even need to know do that check? doesn't look like you need to :S |
| 17:22.05 | Zeal | i suggest you check out my first template. http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Chartable/row as it does most of what you want and more. |
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| 17:28.45 | winkiller | any comments on http://www.wowwiki.com/Fel%20Skin ? |
| 17:34.57 | Zeal | kill the tooltips, heh. |
| 17:36.00 | winkiller | why? |
| 17:36.06 | winkiller | someone edited it and made in comments to use them |
| 17:36.25 | winkiller | argh! rules, guidelines, oh the standards |
| 17:36.26 | winkiller | I'm lost |
| 17:36.32 | winkiller | :P |
| 17:36.59 | winkiller | whatever. better 20 nearly ok pages than zero perfect ones |
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| 17:37.22 | Zeal | the standards aren't defined yet, still in voting/ratification process. |
| 17:38.37 | Zeal | but basically, the tooltips you've used need to be switched to {{tooltip}}, and (this is just me talking, no policy) use {{loot}} instead of the tooltips. |
| 17:39.33 | winkiller | uhm.. |
| 17:39.42 | CyberKiLL | any juggalos up in here? |
| 17:40.17 | winkiller | how exactly, Zeal? right now I have {{:Fel Leather Gloves}} should taht be {{Loot|Fel Leather Gloves}}? |
| 17:41.32 | Zeal | {{Loot|<quality>|Fel Leather Gloves}}, yes. |
| 17:42.03 | winkiller | that's how I had it |
| 17:42.26 | winkiller | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Felstalker_Armor&diff=514294&oldid=514078 |
| 17:44.11 | Zeal | yeah, ignore sky >_> |
| 17:45.20 | winkiller | *sigh* revert |
| 17:45.30 | winkiller | but I found it quite handy |
| 17:45.36 | Zeal | done it myself already, heh |
| 17:46.18 | Zeal | the day the mouse over tooltips are added, it will be handy. atm, it's unnessecary. |
| 17:46.40 | winkiller | ah ok |
| 17:46.47 | winkiller | thanks then |
| 17:48.22 | Zeal | np |
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| 17:48.22 | Zeal | if anyone complains, send them to me ;) |
| 17:48.23 | winkiller | I'll try to add more highlevel lw stuff, guess no one loves it :P |
| 17:48.23 | Zeal | lol |
| 17:48.23 | Zeal | kk |
| 17:48.23 | winkiller | /Leatherworking also is a mess |
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| 17:58.57 | Kirkburn | Hullo! |
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| 17:59.26 | Kirkburn | I have a quasi-replacement phone at last ... I no longer feel cut off and alone! |
| 17:59.56 | Kirkburn | Now I can continue to not reply to messages and ignore phone calls, safe in the knowledge that I /could/ reply or respond, but won't :) |
| 18:08.11 | Kirkburn | Lol, look at the Alexa stats for Conservapedia - http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.conservapedia.com%2F |
| 18:11.14 | Zeal | read the messages i left Kirkburn :P |
| 18:11.20 | Zeal | and lol |
| 18:12.42 | Kirkburn | I saw them :) |
| 18:12.54 | Kirkburn | By messages you left, you mean what you wrote above? |
| 18:13.12 | Kirkburn | Or am I missing something ... |
| 18:13.50 | Zeal | yeah, ones above |
| 18:14.01 | Zeal | lol, i first put thme again us, we pwned |
| 18:14.05 | Zeal | thne against wikipedia.. |
| 18:14.06 | Zeal | rofl |
| 18:14.37 | Zeal | we practically tripple their current traffic |
| 18:17.11 | Kirkburn | ... |
| 18:17.48 | Kirkburn | Sounded like you were saying we beat wikipedia :P |
| 18:22.52 | Zeal | lol |
| 18:22.55 | Zeal | ofc not ;) |
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| 19:06.29 | Kirkburn | Lol - http://www.windows-now.com/blogs/robert/archive/2007/02/26/if-the-british-royal-navy-ran-windows-vista.aspx |
| 19:07.43 | Zeal | lol |
| 19:07.48 | Zeal | fire ze missles! |
| 19:08.27 | Montagg | Zeal: I wrote a template that basically does the same as chartable/row (without knowing that it existed). My difference was that I have an argument for each profession, so you type mining=300 instead of prof1=mining, prof1lvl=300. |
| 19:08.47 | Montagg | However, that also makes the template itself a lot more complex. |
| 19:09.01 | Zeal | i'm not complaining Montagg, just wanted to show you to give you an idea of how i did it. |
| 19:09.02 | Montagg | But I wanted to experiment with cleaner usage. |
| 19:09.21 | Montagg | Zeal: Oh no, didn't think you were at all. In fact, I'm glad you showed me. I'm gonna study it a bit. |
| 19:09.37 | Zeal | just keep in mind, it was the first template i made XD |
| 19:11.48 | Zeal | shit.. found a bug in tooltip, and soem oversights.. |
| 19:23.28 | Zeal | ffs |
| 19:23.42 | Zeal | wiki died as i was submitting an edit for tooltip.. |
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| 19:26.01 | Zeal | seems it did submit, heh. |
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| 19:37.44 | Zeal | hey Teomyr |
| 19:43.33 | Kirkburn | I just noticed - Conservapedia is actually anti-British |
| 19:44.05 | Kirkburn | Spam inc: |
| 19:44.14 | Kirkburn | "Wikipedia often uses foreign spelling of words, even though most English speaking users are American. Look up "Most Favored Nation" on Wikipedia and it automatically converts the spelling to the British spelling "Most Favoured Nation", even there there are far more American than British users. Look up "Division of labor" on Wikipedia and it automatically converts to the British spelling "Division of labour," then insi |
| 19:44.14 | Kirkburn | sts on the British spelling for "specialization" also.[3]. Enter "Hapsburg" (the European ruling family) and Wikipedia automatically changes the spelling to Habsburg, even though the American spelling has always been "Hapsburg". Within entries British spellings appear in the silliest of places, even when the topic is American. Conservapedia favors American spellings of words" |
| 19:45.34 | Kirkburn | Xenophobia ftw |
| 19:46.29 | Kirkburn | It's almost like complaining that an article on Dummkopf uses the German spelling :/ |
| 19:47.03 | Zeal | haha |
| 19:47.04 | Teomyr | hey zeal |
| 19:47.17 | Zeal | surprised it took you so long to notice that though Kirkburn :P |
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| 19:51.51 | Tuqui-tuqui | yay! youre back! |
| 19:52.36 | Kirkburn | Yay! |
| 19:55.18 | Zeal | lol |
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| 20:56.32 | Kirkburn | I wish the WoWWiki was as controversial as Conservapedia, then we could gets lots of free publicity too :P |
| 20:59.07 | Zeal | lol |
| 20:59.11 | Zeal | we wouldn't survive ;) |
| 21:03.20 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 21:03.41 | Kirkburn | Just like Coservapedia is surviving ;) |
| 21:03.45 | Kirkburn | *Con |
| 21:04.10 | Kirkburn | I must say the page on Unicorns was enlightening |
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| 21:04.25 | Kirkburn | Especially the picture of a Triceratops. Really finished it off well. |
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| 21:07.26 | Kirkburn | Ah, dear, there's some fun stuff out there about it |
| 21:07.38 | Kirkburn | Sorry, but it's just too much fun to drop the subject :P |
| 21:08.02 | Kirkburn | For example, read this and the first comment especially: http://xnerg.blogspot.com/2007/02/stupidpedia.html |
| 21:09.38 | Kirkburn | "Author of "When Conservative Parents Give Birth to Liberal Chldren: A Call for National Sacrifice" " |
| 21:13.34 | Tuqui-tuqui | Kirkburn I wish the WoWWiki was as controversial as Conservapedia, then we could gets lots of free publicity too :P <---- you can say baby jesus plays WoW on his off time |
| 21:14.02 | bleetah | or that it's devilspawn |
| 21:14.05 | Kirkburn | Ooh, that's an idea |
| 21:14.27 | bleetah | or both |
| 21:15.43 | Kirkburn | Just slip in a comment on the About page: "The Devil gave birth to the WoWWiki on his day off, after a one-night stand with baby Jesus" |
| 21:16.09 | Tepetkhet | Every time you visit another wiki, God kills a kitten. |
| 21:16.31 | Kirkburn | heehee |
| 21:21.04 | Zeal | haha |
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| 21:39.02 | Kirkburn | Apparently someone switched the picture on George Bush's page - this comment resulted "I believe the photo is one of Prince Henry, who has recently taken up active duty in Iraq for the UK, in compliance with the anti-American notion that leaders and the sons of prominent and wealthy people should be involved in armed conflict for their country." |
| 21:40.57 | Zeal | what...? |
| 21:41.02 | Zeal | anti-american? |
| 21:41.08 | Zeal | and tha'ts a load of bull |
| 21:41.11 | Kirkburn | Heh |
| 21:41.23 | Zeal | he said he wants to go and would leave if they didn't send him to iraq |
| 21:42.22 | bleetah | it's only been in the last 100 or so years that the country's leaders don't lead their own armies into battle |
| 21:42.57 | Kirkburn | Indeed |
| 21:43.46 | Kirkburn | Come now, surely money and prominence make you "better" than other people? :P |
| 21:44.12 | Zeal | lol |
| 21:44.25 | Zeal | money gives + dodge ;) |
| 21:44.36 | Kirkburn | Actually, more worrying is what the person said before it |
| 21:44.38 | Kirkburn | "Somebody deleted the body of this page and substituted a photo-- can anybody verify that this photo actually is President Bush?" |
| 21:44.46 | Zeal | lmao |
| 21:44.48 | Kirkburn | How on earth did they not know?! |
| 21:46.13 | Kirkburn | \o/ |
| 21:46.25 | Kirkburn | Conservapedia is killing me :) |
| 21:47.34 | Zeal | Kirkburn, whats the link for that bot job list? |
| 21:47.49 | Kirkburn | WoWWiki:Bot requests |
| 21:48.01 | Zeal | got a new one.. append .png to all pages of using {{icon}} without an file extension |
| 21:48.05 | Kirkburn | WoWWiki:Server requests is that one for that other guy to look at ;) |
| 21:48.28 | Zeal | i've changed it to require one (and fandyllic seems to think it wasn't on purpose..) |
| 21:48.54 | Kirkburn | Reason? |
| 21:49.36 | Kirkburn | "The Holocaust was the massacring of the Jewish race during World War II. The Germans are not to blame for this but the Nazi are. Besides 6 million Jews dying, 3 million Christians were killed also along with many priests and nuns. This is a very touchy subject for the Jews and is not often discussed amongst them." |
| 21:49.41 | Zeal | actually ,wtf am i talking about ,remove {{icon}} when it's not used in my tooltip pretty much |
| 21:49.50 | Zeal | because not lal icons have png yet Kirkburn |
| 21:49.56 | Zeal | and it's how tooltip works |
| 21:50.23 | Kirkburn | Sure, add it to the requests :) |
| 21:50.35 | Zeal | so either all cases of tooltip need to be changed, or all cases of icon need to be changed (when infact, actually they need to be removed anyways now) |
| 21:50.49 | Kirkburn | Nothing useful has even been built based on the theory of relativity.…'All things are relative' became popular as atheists and others used relativity to attack Christian values. There remains enormous political support for the theory of relativity that has nothing to do with physics, and Congress continues to spend billions of dollars unsuccessfully searching for particles predicted by the theory of relativity." |
| 21:51.25 | Kirkburn | I love how the last sentence demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of the topic |
| 21:51.41 | Zeal | indeed |
| 21:51.59 | Kirkburn | I wonder if they have an entry on QCD ... |
| 21:52.12 | Zeal | i shall attack you with my knowledge and ideas, beware all religions! :o |
| 21:52.30 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 21:52.42 | Kirkburn | They blocked new people from editing unfortunately |
| 21:52.49 | Zeal | aye, noticed |
| 21:58.05 | Tuqui-tuqui | nooo!!!! |
| 21:58.28 | Tuqui-tuqui | I was going to write about how games are the devil's spawn and are the cause for twes and teens going on murdering rampages |
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| 21:58.55 | Tuqui-tuqui | oops |
| 21:58.59 | Tuqui-tuqui | stupid mac -.- |
| 22:00.18 | Zeal | i should be done with killing the wiki after this one vlad_ ;) |
| 22:01.58 | Zeal | don't forget how anti-social children are the result of violenece, drugs and sex on tv, in magazines, in games etc ;) |
| 22:02.22 | Zeal | certainly not the fault of parently neglect. |
| 22:02.27 | Zeal | *parental |
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| 22:03.23 | Zeal | *every |
| 22:04.58 | Zeal | "As of 3:54 PM CST, Feb 27, 2007, we need 1 more article to get a quarter of a tenth of a million articles!" <-- lolz |
| 22:06.34 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 22:10.54 | Teomyr | reminds me of http://www.qdb.us/31337 somehow :D |
| 22:13.37 | Zeal | O_o |
| 22:15.02 | Tepetkhet | Home time. |
| 22:21.01 | Tuqui-tuqui | home time? |
| 22:21.07 | Tuqui-tuqui | thats for people with lives.... |
| 22:21.09 | Tuqui-tuqui | pfftt... |
| 22:21.27 | Tuqui-tuqui | rofl |
| 22:21.28 | Tuqui-tuqui | http://www.qdb.us/51577 |
| 22:21.36 | Tuqui-tuqui | I remember this 2 years ago |
| 22:22.04 | Zeal | O_o |
| 22:23.09 | Tuqui-tuqui | -.- |
| 22:23.35 | Kirkburn | lol |
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| 22:24.11 | Zeal | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5058133396304325388&hl=en lol |
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| 23:14.35 | Kirkburn | It's interesting seeing the spamming attempts made on #wikipedia ... another one was just prevented |
| 23:14.45 | Trae | heh |
| 23:14.54 | Trae | just channel spams? |
| 23:15.07 | Trae | like: Buy my album; Buck wheat sings! |
| 23:15.13 | Kirkburn | Yeah, loads of users join at once, really obvious names, then they all go crazy spamming stuff |
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| 23:15.24 | Sky2042 | got a question for an admin type... |
| 23:15.34 | Trae | Kirkburn, lol I thought we had a spammer just now |
| 23:15.35 | Trae | ;) |
| 23:15.37 | Kirkburn | Last time it happened, it caused the AntiSpamBots to DC from Excess Flood :P |
| 23:15.57 | Kirkburn | Hey Sky |
| 23:16.04 | Sky2042 | hey hey |
| 23:16.15 | Sky2042 | ok, so... (one sec to gather thoughts) |
| 23:16.29 | Kirkburn | Are you a psychonaut? |
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| 23:16.39 | Kirkburn | Baggins! |
| 23:16.46 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 23:16.59 | Bagginsww | So kirkburn I hear an article on one of the RPG supplements they are charging people for to get online, has "African Rhino" as an entry :p |
| 23:17.11 | Bagginsww | bah it deleted hallf my article.. |
| 23:17.26 | Bagginsww | *post, ahh graphic glitch its still there |
| 23:17.58 | Bagginsww | Editors forgot to edit out "African" out of the article, :p |
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| 23:18.22 | Kirkburn | Disconnected |
| 23:18.27 | bleetah | what is the average air speed of a fully laden african rhino? |
| 23:18.30 | Kirkburn | I've not been on the wiki today - missed anything? |
| 23:18.32 | Sky2042 | ok, so kirk, i don't want to be host to breaking the 3rr rule: have a look at http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:NAME in regards to http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Galen_Trollbane&action=history . This is not the first time he's overwritten someone elses change |
| 23:18.48 | Sky2042 | {referencing Theron} |
| 23:19.07 | Bagginsww | I'd like to know what an "African" is ;)... I know a tribe of Draenei in Nagrand...!!!? |
| 23:19.30 | Kirkburn | We have a problem there, Sky2042. |
| 23:19.41 | Kirkburn | We seem to have conflicting policies |
| 23:19.47 | Bagginsww | .... |
| 23:19.59 | Sky2042 | which policy is in confliction with WW:Name? :/ |
| 23:20.00 | Kirkburn | Lore Chars don't use titles, but NPCs do |
| 23:20.07 | Kirkburn | So what happens when a Lore Char is an NPC |
| 23:20.08 | Sky2042 | aie |
| 23:20.44 | Kirkburn | I would say, use the Lore Char one for non-NPCs |
| 23:20.57 | Kirkburn | Once the char is made an NPC, use that title |
| 23:21.06 | Kirkburn | That way we use only the confirmed latest titles |
| 23:21.18 | Sky2042 | I don't want to start an edit war, so... |
| 23:21.21 | Sky2042 | :x |
| 23:21.30 | Bagginsww | frankly I hate the "title system" it makes for some rather unwieldy articles :p |
| 23:21.41 | Bagginsww | I mean really long article titles... |
| 23:21.46 | Sky2042 | eh, redirects solve that issue |
| 23:22.00 | Bagginsww | standard wikipedia policy is just to list the "person's name" as I recall. |
| 23:22.12 | Bagginsww | but I know this isn't wikipedia |
| 23:22.15 | Sky2042 | but that's their "in-game" name |
| 23:22.20 | Sky2042 | if you understand me |
| 23:22.56 | Bagginsww | LOL, the problem of having an source that wants to make WoW number 1 source. |
| 23:23.29 | Sky2042 | it does state on the front page that WoW has priority/focus (whichever term you'll use) over the rest ;P |
| 23:23.39 | Bagginsww | I know |
| 23:23.48 | Kirkburn | (I wrote that) |
| 23:23.56 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 23:24.02 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Policy/Naming#Titles |
| 23:24.05 | Kirkburn | Go comment |
| 23:24.31 | Bagginsww | I just think, that in some cases the titles can look pretty ugly |
| 23:24.35 | Tekkub | you like rocky mountain tauren oysters |
| 23:24.40 | Tekkub | okey all done commenting |
| 23:25.05 | Bagginsww | that's just creepy |
| 23:25.22 | Bagginsww | about as bad as /milk for female taurnes LOL |
| 23:26.01 | Bagginsww | ok ya technically your joke is worse |
| 23:26.14 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 23:26.37 | Sky2042 | so then, Kirk, leave the page in question as is, and wait to see what your comment stews up, or...? |
| 23:26.39 | Tekkub | even /milk directed at a male tauren is worse |
| 23:26.42 | Kirkburn | Aye |
| 23:26.45 | Bagginsww | ok yours would be as bad as the man + cow picture = tauren |
| 23:26.49 | Kirkburn | I've linked Theron to the discussion |
| 23:26.50 | Sky2042 | mk |
| 23:27.28 | Bagginsww | ya Tekkub that would be worse |
| 23:27.58 | Kirkburn | About the Community Teams - I've just been concentrating on other stuff atm, and I think that, yes, it'll be best to wait until after the upgrade |
| 23:28.14 | Kirkburn | That way we can see what new stuff it brings us, and modify anything accordingly :) |
| 23:28.38 | Kirkburn | The current suggestions don't appear to be too controversial |
| 23:28.40 | Tekkub | NSFW, but funny |
| 23:28.41 | Tekkub | http://www.geocities.com/sventhebrilliant/Articles/WOWpreview/tauren.html |
| 23:29.09 | Sky2042 | is that a random comment kirk, or directed at me? :x |
| 23:29.16 | Sky2042 | or someone else? |
| 23:29.37 | Bagginsww | llol |
| 23:30.04 | Kirkburn | Aimed at you and Zeal :) |
| 23:30.09 | Kirkburn | I just noticed the discussion about it |
| 23:30.17 | Kirkburn | Page Patrol ain't a bad name |
| 23:30.27 | Sky2042 | :] |
| 23:30.37 | Kirkburn | Tekkub, haha |
| 23:30.52 | Sky2042 | indeed, tek |
| 23:30.55 | Sky2042 | that's funny :] |
| 23:31.05 | Kirkburn | If only it had a better colour scheme |
| 23:31.10 | Kirkburn | I want to claw my eyes out |
| 23:31.45 | Sky2042 | yeah, taht green... |
| 23:31.54 | Bagginsww | ya it blinds |
| 23:32.06 | Kirkburn | Oh, so it's broken in IE7 apparently |
| 23:32.16 | Sky2042 | have a look at the other pages if you can. :[ |
| 23:32.20 | Sky2042 | :]* |
| 23:32.38 | bleetah | hmm, "it's broken in IE7".. why not just say "IE7 is broken" :-P |
| 23:32.57 | Sky2042 | truth! |
| 23:33.00 | Kirkburn | Hoi, completely different things, you :P |
| 23:33.08 | bleetah | lawlz |
| 23:33.14 | Sky2042 | i discovered the other day that my myspace page was broken in ie, but it's not in ff :X |
| 23:33.29 | Sky2042 | obvious conclusion that ie is broken. |
| 23:33.33 | Sky2042 | ;P |
| 23:33.53 | Kirkburn | I can't see why IE7 uses teal |
| 23:33.54 | Tekkub | I'm all for making the wiki not load for IE users |
| 23:33.59 | bleetah | imo, if a page passes the w3 validators, but refuses to render the way intended on *any* browser, it's the browser that's broken ;) |
| 23:34.01 | Kirkburn | The text colour isn't defined anywhere |
| 23:34.03 | Sky2042 | lol tek |
| 23:34.04 | Kirkburn | Not even in the CSS |
| 23:34.17 | Tekkub | "We're sorry, we do not let the unwashed masses use our wiki" |
| 23:34.20 | bleetah | write some IE plugin that fixes it |
| 23:34.30 | bleetah | Tekkub++ |
| 23:34.30 | Kirkburn | Can we just say IE6 and below? |
| 23:34.40 | bleetah | IE2! |
| 23:34.49 | Sky2042 | all IEs! or none, fiend! |
| 23:34.50 | bleetah | man, that was a hot release |
| 23:35.05 | Tekkub | kinky |
| 23:35.17 | Kirkburn | IE had CSS before any other browser \o/ |
| 23:35.18 | Sky2042 | i can remember when i first learned about the internet... we went to the district school office and hopped on netscape :O |
| 23:35.56 | Kirkburn | Anyhoo, I can't see why IE7 chooses teal, makes no sense |
| 23:36.21 | Kirkburn | Hmm, I have this feeling |
| 23:36.31 | Kirkburn | Maybe it's due to my OS settings |
| 23:36.59 | bleetah | Kirkburn: times like this, a VMWare image of each default MS install (XP, 2K, Vista) is quite handy ;) |
| 23:37.11 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 23:37.28 | Kirkburn | Ah, I think it's because I use Windowblinds which alters the default colours |
| 23:37.38 | bleetah | i'm serious, if you've paused the VM, only takes about 10 seconds to check each 'default' system |
| 23:38.12 | Kirkburn | So aaactually it's FF that isn't taking my settings for the text colour. Ergo, IE isn't the 'broken' one ;P |
| 23:39.32 | bleetah | Kirkburn: I'm running FF 1.5, so can't tell.. but at least in 1.5 there's no 'use system font/colours' option |
| 23:39.37 | bleetah | as far as I can see |
| 23:40.04 | Kirkburn | Omg, I've bricked myself! |
| 23:41.09 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 23:41.26 | Zeal | wtf about african rhinos and paying for RPG online material?! :s |
| 23:42.03 | Kirkburn | Y'know I'd love to know where Swiss Cheese comes from in WoW |
| 23:43.52 | Bagginsww | ya, White=wolf thought it would be a great idea to charge for the promised "online extras" for the monster guide |
| 23:44.03 | Zeal | alerac mountains are the alps |
| 23:44.13 | Zeal | therefore, alterac is switzerland |
| 23:44.20 | Zeal | expect it's overun with ogres now |
| 23:44.22 | Zeal | :p |
| 23:44.24 | Bagginsww | apparently this "extra" which they charge $4 extra for. |
| 23:44.27 | Tekkub | except? |
| 23:44.36 | Tekkub | sounds like Switzerland to me |
| 23:44.44 | Bagginsww | has an an article on "African Rhinos" |
| 23:44.46 | Zeal | *except |
| 23:44.48 | Zeal | :p |
| 23:44.56 | Zeal | okay.. |
| 23:45.04 | Zeal | so you payed right? |
| 23:45.06 | Bagginsww | it was originally going to be a free extra too... people are upspet... |
| 23:45.08 | Bagginsww | Nope |
| 23:45.14 | Zeal | i see |
| 23:45.23 | Zeal | so how do you know this article title? |
| 23:45.23 | Bagginsww | I'm morbidly curious |
| 23:45.30 | Bagginsww | cause someone reviewed it |
| 23:45.33 | Zeal | ah |
| 23:45.38 | Zeal | what was their verdict? |
| 23:45.44 | Bagginsww | they are mad at them |
| 23:46.04 | Bagginsww | cause its 33 pages only about 10 add any new warcraft lore, no pictures. |
| 23:46.08 | Zeal | cos it sounds like they made no effort and are charging for content they forgot to put in the book because they did the whole thing half-assed |
| 23:46.16 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 23:46.24 | Bagginsww | and the content wasn't edited well |
| 23:46.37 | Bagginsww | not even bothered to convert them to "warcraft" universe |
| 23:46.54 | Bagginsww | more like direct quotes from some other DnD rpg source |
| 23:47.18 | Bagginsww | I mean this is worse that people complain about the appendix 3 LOL |
| 23:48.39 | Bagginsww | to add insult to injury the monster guide refers to this extra throughout the book, as if itw as planned to be a free release |
| 23:48.56 | Bagginsww | yet some of the articles in the main book are unplayable without the extra apparently |
| 23:49.28 | Bagginsww | so people are complaining how they were charged alot already and have to pay even more to complete their book |
| 23:51.17 | Bagginsww | http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=24808 |
| 23:51.49 | Zeal | yeah, i'm not surprised, it's a rip, especially for the crpa work they've put into it. they're jsut trying to milk the wow franchise |
| 23:51.54 | Bagginsww | But ya I've already told you my poor opinion of the monster guid as it is... |
| 23:52.19 | Bagginsww | 1 sentence lore vignettes are not worth $34 |
| 23:52.31 | Bagginsww | I think I payed $18 though... |
| 23:52.41 | Bagginsww | so I wasn't ripped off as bad |
| 23:52.43 | Zeal | lol, the pdf preview link doesn't work |
| 23:52.57 | Bagginsww | although average RPG palyer actually loves the book |
| 23:53.02 | Bagginsww | but I"m not an RPG player |
| 23:53.13 | Zeal | aye |
| 23:53.15 | Bagginsww | but RPG players prefer the fact its more rules than lore |
| 23:54.44 | Bagginsww | So zeal if there is any creature you are interested in, I'll save you the money and just quote the 1 sentence explanations to you :p |
| 23:55.03 | Zeal | haha, ty ;) |
| 23:55.43 | Bagginsww | I probably should put up an index to help you out though |
| 23:56.00 | Bagginsww | well I mean table of contents |
| 23:56.52 | Zeal | put one on the wiki, sure :P |
| 23:57.08 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 23:57.10 | Bagginsww | http://forum.white-wolf.com/viewtopic.php?t=54099&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 |
| 23:57.26 | Zeal | tbh, think all the RPG books need a ToC on their wiki pages. |
| 23:58.07 | Bagginsww | I agree, that's why most are still "stubs" |
| 23:58.09 | Zeal | one sec, have to work around their pos broken site.. |
| 23:59.16 | Bagginsww | Interesting monster guide mentions thermaplug's first name, Sicco... not even the MMO does that except in the manual, :p... |
| 23:59.29 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Mekgineer_Thermaplugg |
| 23:59.40 | Bagginsww | You know that's a case where I hate use of "WoW" ingame title |
| 23:59.51 | Bagginsww | cause it kind of sweeps away his full name |
