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| 00:02.06 | Zeal | lol Kirkburn|afk |
| 00:02.22 | Zeal | *Karrion >_o; |
| 00:04.08 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk.. i don't see any details.. |
| 00:04.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Most likely 2Q for the X2800. Can you imagine how the guys at nVidia feel right now? An entire market for themselves for months ... |
| 00:04.19 | Zeal | it's still outdated for me :S |
| 00:04.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Eh? |
| 00:04.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Ctrl+F5? |
| 00:04.37 | Zeal | under dev |
| 00:05.06 | Zeal | well considering i haven't that page is probably about a year.. |
| 00:05.06 | Zeal | lol |
| 00:05.11 | Zeal | but its out dated |
| 00:05.22 | Zeal | on the horizon goes to bc site |
| 00:05.29 | Zeal | so there is no details about the future |
| 00:05.36 | Zeal | so no idea what you quoted.. |
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| 00:06.14 | Zeal | yuup, still outdated.. |
| 00:06.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, sumtin's up wit yor browsa! :P |
| 00:06.52 | Zeal | nope.. |
| 00:07.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Try another browser |
| 00:07.10 | Zeal | all it shows in burning crusade info |
| 00:07.19 | Zeal | then link to 2.0.3 |
| 00:07.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Hey waitasec |
| 00:07.29 | Zeal | then on the horizon (bc site) then previous patches |
| 00:07.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Er, same |
| 00:07.50 | Zeal | they reverted it back? :S |
| 00:08.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Apparently |
| 00:09.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Well, at least we know what 2.1.0 will be |
| 00:09.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Black Temple, Illidan, Tier 6 |
| 00:12.11 | Zeal | aye |
| 00:12.18 | Zeal | any mention of sunwell? |
| 00:12.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Nope |
| 00:13.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Just a short paragraph and couple of bullet points on BT |
| 00:13.37 | Zeal | ah, kk |
| 00:13.48 | Montagg | I wonder how Zul'Aman will fit in. |
| 00:14.06 | Montagg | That's going to be a shitty day for leveling blood elves. |
| 00:14.31 | Zeal | known vandals has been vandalised by someone i thought was already banned.. |
| 00:14.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Perhaps an EPl entrance? |
| 00:14.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Links help, Zeal. |
| 00:15.14 | Zeal | when the wiki stops being slow |
| 00:15.35 | Kirkburn|afk | aye |
| 00:15.44 | Zeal | though it's not like you don't know the known vandals page :P |
| 00:16.00 | Kirkburn|afk | The vandal is who I'm interested in :) |
| 00:16.52 | Zeal | er.. scot is racist asshole or w/e |
| 00:17.24 | Zeal | Street_scholar_is_a_racist_asshole |
| 00:17.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Sorted |
| 00:17.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Ta |
| 00:18.06 | Zeal | hehe |
| 00:18.20 | Zeal | new ip or something, or did his account only get banned? |
| 00:18.41 | Kirkburn|afk | New |
| 00:21.38 | Zeal | ah, kk |
| 00:25.13 | Kirkburn|afk | You'd think he might have got the idea there's not much point by now |
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| 00:34.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Wish I could find a way to spruce up the Watchlist page :( |
| 00:36.06 | bleetah | boobies |
| 00:36.29 | Kirkburn|afk | If only .... if only |
| 00:37.49 | Kirkburn|afk | The google results for boobies are pretty disappointing |
| 00:38.02 | Kirkburn|afk | More seabirds dammit! |
| 00:39.38 | bleetah | mmm shag |
| 00:41.00 | bleetah | Kirkburn|afk: they've got lots of bluee footed boobies |
| 00:41.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Any big ones? |
| 00:42.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, I wonder if it's possible to buy a shag. |
| 00:42.23 | bleetah | bic pics, big boobies? here's one of lots of boobies http://annwong.us/images/Blue-footed%20boobies.jpg |
| 00:42.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Aww, jee, low resolution man :( |
| 00:43.00 | Kirkburn|afk | jee? *gee |
| 00:43.25 | bleetah | a singular, well presented boobie http://www.equinoxe.it/oggetti/immagini/natura/galapagos/Crociere/Blue-Footed%20Boobie.jpg |
| 00:43.35 | bleetah | and one showing off it's chest http://www.sergiosfstop.com/things/photos/bluefooted_lg.jpg |
| 00:43.55 | Kirkburn|afk | It's like its modelling :P |
| 00:44.58 | bleetah | fake boobies -> http://muertoderisa.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/boobies_1.jpg |
| 00:45.20 | Kirkburn|afk | rofl |
| 00:45.39 | bleetah | NSFW mating boobies -> http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PTGPOD/233436a~Blue-Footed-Boobies-Mating-Galapagos-Islands-Posters.jpg |
| 00:45.43 | Kirkburn|afk | They're so flat! |
| 00:46.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Think of the children! |
| 00:46.53 | bleetah | shag rock -> http://danny.oz.au/travel/new-zealand/p/2077-shag-rock.jpg |
| 00:47.47 | Kirkburn|afk | I bet you could get a lot of shags on that rock! |
| 00:48.13 | bleetah | lots of nooks and crannies to hide a couple of dozen shags in |
| 00:50.18 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 00:50.23 | Kirkburn|afk | back to proper afk now |
| 00:50.25 | Kirkburn|afk | G'night all |
| 00:50.31 | bleetah | nn Kirkburn|afk |
| 00:50.37 | Montagg | 'nite Kirkburn|afk. |
| 00:53.33 | Zeal | wtf.. |
| 00:53.35 | Zeal | rofl |
| 00:53.37 | Zeal | nn Kirkburn|afk |
| 01:04.32 | Zeal | hm.. |
| 01:04.48 | Zeal | funky |
| 01:14.47 | Montagg | Does the drunk effect actually make it easier to kill mobs, or is their level only reduced on the drunk client? |
| 01:15.37 | bleetah | afaik, it only lowers their perceived levels. so, a lvl 65 mob may appear to be a 61, but it's still a 65 |
| 01:16.01 | bleetah | I cite as 'proof' me being very drunk for a couple of hours running around in a party, everyone kept asking me 'what level is this mob' |
| 01:16.14 | bleetah | and my reply 'ah, a pissy li'l 61'.. to howls of laughter from others |
| 01:20.00 | Montagg | Does it actually reduce resist chances, though? |
| 01:21.07 | Shadowed | I'd guess it only reduces the level you see, so you think "oh it's easy" then die to it |
| 01:21.42 | Montagg | The article we have says it does reduce resist chance. I might check that out. |
| 01:21.51 | Shadowed | I can bet you anything it doesn't |
| 01:22.10 | Shadowed | wouldn't make sense at all |
| 01:22.11 | bleetah | it may reduce the player's chance to resist |
| 01:22.32 | bleetah | if so, i'd expect the mob to be able to dodge more, as well, as that may be consistent with a 'drunk and stupid' theme |
| 01:23.38 | bleetah | *drunk,unco-ordinated and stupid |
| 01:23.38 | bleetah | gawd, mis-hyphenation ftl :( |
| 01:32.24 | Hobinheim|afk | ugh need policy "please stop polluting the main namespace and make judicious use of localized templates" |
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| 01:37.12 | Zeal | hob, how about stop making local templates without local names in the template namespace |
| 01:37.25 | Zeal | *with local names |
| 01:37.44 | Zeal | <Shadowed> I'd guess it only reduces the level you see, so you think "oh it's easy" then die to i <-- that happen to me >_>; |
| 01:37.54 | Zeal | *it |
| 01:37.58 | Zeal | *happened |
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| 03:02.33 | Sky2042 | need a banner; check rc |
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| 03:03.30 | Sky2042 | where's the admin when ya need em? >_< |
| 03:03.51 | Sky2042 | tek or kirk or monty |
| 03:04.15 | Tekkub | in ramps |
| 03:05.02 | Sky2042 | need you to hand out a ban |
| 03:05.05 | Sky2042 | :/ |
| 03:07.35 | Montagg | Banned. |
| 03:07.51 | Montagg | Heh.. He's been banned a couple times, it seems. |
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| 03:09.00 | Sky2042 | then you need to get the ip :/ |
| 03:09.07 | Sky2042 | >_< |
| 03:09.16 | Montagg | No no, I mean he was listed a couple times in Known vandals by different people. |
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| 03:09.45 | Montagg | I'm in an instance right now. Tekkub: Are you available? |
| 03:09.46 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 03:09.53 | tanuki | ... |
| 03:09.55 | Tekkub | in ramps |
| 03:10.28 | Montagg | Sky2042: Can you go through his contribs and start reverting the mess? |
| 03:10.33 | Tekkub | oh look a tanuki! |
| 03:10.38 | Tekkub | *molesters* |
| 03:10.49 | Sky2042 | yeah, starting from the bottom |
| 03:10.53 | Sky2042 | or his earliest edits |
| 03:11.14 | Montagg | Awesome. |
| 03:11.20 | Montagg | I'll help you once I'm out of BRD. |
| 03:12.17 | Sky2042 | lol "Kraul Bat" = "Kraul the Bat ****er" xD |
| 03:18.07 | Sky2042 | think i got them all; someone can double check though :/ |
| 03:20.00 | Montagg | I'll check it out, but if you want, you can go down his contribs and just click on the links for each page. Should verify they're back to normal. |
| 03:23.24 | Sky2042 | yeah, double checked. there are a couple of speedys waiting for you now, but other than that, everything's good to go |
| 03:25.33 | Montagg | Thank you very much. |
| 03:26.25 | Sky2042 | np |
| 03:38.03 | Zeal | hm.. |
| 03:38.46 | Zeal | altec lansing won it's patent case |
| 03:39.00 | Zeal | microsoft have been forced to pay them $1.6 billion |
| 03:40.01 | Zeal | and they could probably claim even more than that (in totaly) from anyone else using MP3 codecs. |
| 03:40.06 | Zeal | *total |
| 03:40.10 | Zeal | what a load of bull imo |
| 03:41.02 | Zeal | just because the patents got screwed up and altec only go the patent finalized after other companies were liscencing MP3 codecs |
| 03:42.38 | Zeal | imo, i think the lisceners should have been forced to cease as soon as the patent was final, and should now be the oens receiving the fines andh aving to hand over the money earnt from it. not the ones who have been paying liscene fees in good concience |
| 03:42.48 | Zeal | microsft sound relaly pissed off too |
| 03:43.02 | Zeal | understandbly so, because it's unfair on them. |
| 03:43.40 | Sky2042 | oh Fuck |
| 03:43.48 | Sky2042 | he's a fucking sockpuppet |
| 03:43.51 | Sky2042 | ban his fucking ip |
| 03:44.03 | Zeal | O_o |
| 03:44.04 | Sky2042 | i got vandalized |
| 03:44.07 | Sky2042 | -_- |
| 03:44.16 | Sky2042 | current incarnation is charles darwin |
| 03:44.38 | Zeal | cunt.. wtf how is that on my watchlist.. |
| 03:44.50 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 03:45.10 | Sky2042 | monty, you out of brd? |
| 03:45.51 | Sky2042 | he needs an ip ban, not just a block |
| 03:46.01 | Sky2042 | i think he's the same guy as yesterday -_- |
| 03:49.30 | Zeal | lol @ apple |
| 03:49.46 | Zeal | they really need to check their legal matters before doing stuff.. |
| 03:50.32 | Sky2042 | whatd they do? |
| 03:50.33 | Zeal | iPhone is owned by Cisco |
| 03:50.38 | bleetah | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Gparent also been vandalised by that charles darwin person |
| 03:50.38 | Sky2042 | lol! |
| 03:50.54 | Sky2042 | you should practice reverting it then ;P |
| 03:50.56 | Zeal | apple knew it afterwards, but continued anyways. so Cisco had a go at them |
| 03:51.09 | Zeal | now they're striking a new deal |
| 03:51.35 | Zeal | where Cisco maintains ownership of the name, and they can both use it for their own products. details aren't explained yet though :P |
| 03:51.44 | bleetah | he's also fucked with http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Old_Gods |
| 03:52.55 | Sky2042 | xD |
| 03:53.21 | Zeal | just keep up with him on reverts until Montagg or Tekkub can ban. though they need to hurry ;) |
| 03:53.38 | bleetah | zeal: apple's phone is theoretically capable of interoperability on the linksys product's network |
| 03:53.39 | Tekkub | just got done, whowhatnow? |
| 03:53.49 | bleetah | Zeal: I think the deal involves something along those lines |
| 03:53.53 | Zeal | aye bleetah |
| 03:54.01 | Zeal | that has been mentioned |
| 03:54.11 | Sky2042 | see above tek |
| 03:54.14 | Sky2042 | he's a sockpuppet |
| 03:54.15 | bleetah | Zeal: wehich is the sensible agreement they should've done first |
| 03:54.19 | Zeal | some sort of relationship to share technology and interoprability |
| 03:54.21 | Sky2042 | he needs an ip ban, not just a block |
| 03:54.35 | Zeal | well Cisco apparenttly offered them soem deal before |
| 03:54.42 | Zeal | but they refused and continued anyways |
| 03:54.45 | Sky2042 | current name is charles darwin |
| 03:55.16 | bleetah | yeah, well imo apple are just as bad at stuff like that as M$ and a number of other IT companies, figuring that market mass will push through their wants onto the public, rather than what's 'sane' |
| 03:55.18 | Tekkub | infinate? |
| 03:55.24 | Sky2042 | yes |
| 03:56.26 | Montagg | Who else? |
| 03:56.48 | Sky2042 | just him, since you got the other one |
| 03:56.59 | Montagg | Him = ? Wasn't following. |
| 03:57.06 | Sky2042 | eh, doesn't matter |
| 03:57.13 | Sky2042 | you do know what sockpuppets are, no? |
| 03:57.27 | Gryphen | never heard of it before now |
| 03:57.56 | Sky2042 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry |
| 03:58.10 | Montagg | Uh... Is there a way to unblock someone? |
| 03:58.21 | Gryphen | i see, never heard of anyone use such a term before |
| 03:58.31 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 03:58.35 | bleetah | Montagg: given kirkburn banned ""Street scholar is a sexist and racist asshole " infinitely, I'd suggest "Street scholar is a sexist and racist asshole IS BACK!" has the same treatment |
| 03:59.00 | Montagg | I blocked Unluckyy, who was an innocent bystander and got hit by the flack. |
| 03:59.11 | Sky2042 | yeah gryph, its a term used all over wikipedia |
| 03:59.24 | Hobinheim|afk | "micro scrubbers" |
| 03:59.30 | bleetah | Montagg: I'm looking at your 3:07 block, compared to kirkburn's 00:17 |
| 03:59.34 | Gryphen | annoying term heh |
| 03:59.37 | bleetah | (from the block log) |
| 03:59.41 | Gryphen | damn internetism |
| 03:59.47 | Sky2042 | lol ;P |
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| 03:59.52 | Zeal | Sky2042, street scholar recieved an IP Ban today |
| 03:59.59 | Sky2042 | yay! |
| 04:00.01 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 04:00.04 | Zeal | proxy or dynamic ip |
| 04:00.11 | Sky2042 | :x |
| 04:00.16 | Zeal | so it's rather ineefective |
| 04:00.35 | Tekkub | Montagg, http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Ipblocklist |
| 04:00.54 | Montagg | ty |
| 04:00.57 | Montagg | Fixed. |
| 04:01.23 | Montagg | bleetah: I'm not sure how multiple blocks work, so I'll have to check the log. But I think the longest block wins. |
| 04:02.02 | Montagg | bleetah: Ahh, I see what you mean. Nevermind. |
| 04:02.10 | bleetah | yeah, two users |
| 04:02.11 | Gryphen | if you see a vandal, update known vandals |
| 04:02.17 | bleetah | well, usernames.. one user obviously ;) |
| 04:03.01 | Sky2042 | lol gryph |
| 04:03.05 | Sky2042 | oh well xD |
| 04:04.36 | Montagg | bleetah: I hadn't noticed there were multiple users. |
| 04:04.40 | Sky2042 | yea, proxy ftl |
| 04:07.03 | bleetah | do you guys run anything that protect you against known open proxies? |
| 04:07.21 | bleetah | or, at least, test that the inbound connection isn't from an open proxy? |
| 04:08.13 | Montagg | All right. Block fixed and logged. |
| 04:11.26 | Sky2042 | so much for an hour of editing :x |
| 04:11.58 | Montagg | Aye... ::Rolls eyes.:: |
| 04:21.00 | Sky2042 | where's the npc (mob?) box template located at? |
| 04:27.12 | Sky2042 | deletion spree :x |
| 04:27.49 | Zeal | ? |
| 04:28.02 | Sky2042 | look at Rc, if you can |
| 04:28.03 | Zeal | and it's Template:WoWBox for the layout |
| 04:28.04 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 04:28.16 | Zeal | the rest i think is Template:Infobox |
| 04:28.28 | Montagg | I'm cleaning out the Speedy deletion category while I'm around. |
| 04:28.39 | Zeal | oh i see |
| 04:28.44 | Zeal | spammer Montagg ;) |
| 04:28.51 | Montagg | Hush. ;-) |
| 04:28.54 | Zeal | lol |
| 04:29.05 | Sky2042 | he needs a block, imo. ;P |
| 04:29.28 | Montagg | Zeal: Could be worse. Could be "Montag moved User talk:Zeal to Usre talk:Zeal is a homoooooooosandwich" |
| 04:29.39 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 04:29.47 | Sky2042 | and then protecting the page :D |
| 04:33.21 | Zeal | :p |
| 04:37.50 | Sky2042 | hmmm... |
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| 04:49.52 | Sky2042 | hmm... >:) |
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| 04:52.18 | Zeal | almost done x_xl; |
| 04:52.29 | Zeal | some of these definitons on that wiki are still wrong |
| 04:52.51 | Zeal | simply because of missed values on lookup or not correlation |
| 04:53.08 | Sky2042 | uh... kk |
| 04:53.20 | Sky2042 | question for someone who can make templates: what does colspan mean? |
| 04:53.28 | Sky2042 | cough*tables*cough |
| 04:53.30 | Sky2042 | :o |
| 04:54.15 | Sky2042 | oh, nvm |
| 04:54.21 | Sky2042 | i r smart |
| 04:54.23 | GagHalfrunt | say your table is 3x3... colspan 2 would have a specific cell span two columns |
| 04:54.32 | GagHalfrunt | rowspan doing the same, but to rows |
| 04:55.01 | Sky2042 | yeah, just had to think aobut it for a sec :] |
| 04:55.05 | GagHalfrunt | hehe |
| 04:59.12 | Zeal | lol |
| 04:59.17 | Zeal | what he said :p |
| 05:10.29 | Sky2042 | does kara have a heroic mode? jw |
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| 05:11.52 | Skyhammer | <3 that |
| 05:25.57 | Zeal | lol |
| 05:26.03 | Zeal | and no, it doesn't afaik |
| 05:26.25 | Zeal | it's already heroic tbh |
| 05:26.44 | Skyhammer | lol |
| 05:31.12 | Sky2042 | >.> |
| 05:32.57 | Zeal | er.. why did i say altec lansing.. Alcatel Lucent.. |
| 05:33.01 | Zeal | rofl |
| 05:35.27 | Sky2042 | ... |
| 05:40.37 | Sky2042 | ugh |
| 05:40.45 | Sky2042 | is it possible to edit over redirects? |
| 05:41.49 | Zeal | yes |
| 05:42.14 | Zeal | when you get redirected, if you click the redirected from link, it will avoid the redirect |
| 05:42.33 | Zeal | or you could append "redirect=no" to your url. think that's right. |
| 05:42.57 | Zeal | anyways, i'm off now. finnally done with all the spell related dbc file definitions.. |
| 05:43.04 | Sky2042 | well, ok, not quite what i meant. can you tell me what http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Guildprogress_horde_kara is showing up with...? |
| 05:43.09 | Sky2042 | before you go :x |
| 05:43.46 | GagHalfrunt | "1. REDIRECT Template:Guildprogress/kara/base" |
| 05:43.47 | Zeal | i'd also like to suggest we add the dbc and wdb strcuture stuff to the API part of the wiki. it's not widely known, and would be really handy. |
| 05:44.06 | Sky2042 | ugh |
| 05:44.27 | Zeal | you've got a double redirect maybe? |
| 05:44.40 | Sky2042 | and that's fixed how? :x |
| 05:45.00 | Zeal | hm.. ok, you've not. |
| 05:45.08 | GagHalfrunt | zeal: how close could that ride to the wind wrt DCMA and stuff? I mean, Blizz publically talk about their unpublished UI API, so that's cool. But unless they've openly discussed those formats, it may lead down a path one doesn't wanna travel |
| 05:46.50 | Zeal | yeah, well blizz get the big finger from me because they don't provide support for a third parties to provide things they don't ie out of game databases. |
| 05:47.09 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 05:47.24 | Zeal | it'd have to be discussed |
| 05:48.40 | Zeal | but seeing as we can't get in bed with blizz, and blizz have not taken action against sites that utilize the information (and in part show it too) or even those who provide the information, i don't foresee bad things |
| 05:50.23 | Zeal | at most, we'd get something from blizz saying "oi! wowwiki, no! This is naughty because we say so. rofl, we arn't going to let you help our customers and third party developers. take it down!" |
| 05:50.26 | GagHalfrunt | depends what info you're talking about. the info contained within those files, or the structure. let's leave the data contained within seperate, as that's clearly utilised elsewhere, and I suspect blizz don't pursue it 'coz it'd be hard for them to prove whether it came from cache, or from data seen in real play |
| 05:50.52 | GagHalfrunt | at worst, wowwiki would get a threatening letter claiming you're making public some info that's (C) them, which they own |
| 05:51.48 | Zeal | GagHalfrunt, we're already planning to utilize the information in those files |
| 05:51.48 | Zeal | theres no way to sanely build a database site or even a documentation for the wiki without doing that. |
| 05:51.48 | GagHalfrunt | now, there's some interesting bits of (C) here that (may) come into play. I know of one legislative region that allows for reverse engineering of code so that third party apps can be made to work with that 1st party app. |
| 05:52.22 | Zeal | though i'm talking about publically documenting the structure and how it all relates. so information will be dicussed, but in in a comprehensive form, just examples to explain and figure things out. |
| 05:52.43 | GagHalfrunt | previously, this info has been made available in hard to find areas, or incode that (may) be covered by what I said previously about reverse engineering. however, and this is my question, what protection does the 'owner' of wowwiki have from violating (C) DCMA style stuff by publishing it. |
| 05:52.44 | Zeal | *but not in a |
| 05:52.57 | GagHalfrunt | 'coz wowwiki.com is a fairly public site |
| 05:53.17 | GagHalfrunt | public/high-visibility |
| 05:53.35 | Zeal | the wowwiki is documenting how to reverse engineer it basically. that's all |
| 05:53.49 | GagHalfrunt | personally, if I were in your shoes, I'd be writing whatever up in a closed forum, then taking it to blizz, and asking whether they'd get pissed if the info went up |
| 05:54.02 | Zeal | if that's violating anything, then the finger goes up, buecause i don't think that's fair. |
| 05:55.39 | GagHalfrunt | i'm just saying it could be a *very* grey area unless it's worked out properly beforehand. I certainly won't be rushing to publish how to reverse engineer what are essentially (C) Blizz files. |
| 05:56.00 | GagHalfrunt | that there are others out there who've done same, written opensource programs that do same, etc., is immaterial. |
| 05:57.06 | Zeal | once it gets in the public eye, it should make for better better unofficial sites, and more of them cropping up, possibly helping addon developers too. The side effect is it also opens it up for understanding by those who want to run pirate servers or expliots. but we're not writing on how to utilize it to do that. they'd still need to learn that themselves, they'd still need to have found that out elsewhere, in which case, we |
| 05:57.10 | Zeal | ..difference. |
| 05:58.49 | Zeal | anyways.. |
| 05:58.52 | Zeal | as i said, sleep |
| 05:58.53 | Zeal | nn all |
| 05:59.23 | Sky2042 | ooo, so that's why he decapitalizes his name |
| 05:59.25 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 06:00.09 | Sky2042 | there an admin on? :/ |
| 06:00.16 | Sky2042 | i'm going to go insane if there isn't |
| 06:01.05 | Sky2042 | ho boy, lol |
| 06:01.23 | GagHalfrunt | "WoWWiki has a problem" ? |
| 06:02.04 | Sky2042 | when someone edits a semi-prominent template... :x |
| 06:03.47 | Sky2042 | i really would not mind being an admin right about now... |
| 06:04.03 | Sky2042 | it basically was a redirect... :/ |
| 06:04.49 | Sky2042 | yay for noinclude tags >:) |
| 06:07.00 | Sky2042 | hmmm |
| 06:07.28 | Sky2042 | it appears <noinclude> will get me only so far |
| 06:14.07 | Sky2042 | i think they all went to sleep :x |
| 06:14.54 | zeal | hahaha.. have to laugh at this. Virgin buys NTL/Telewest (biggest cable provider here), and their contract with sky is ending, and talks of renewing have broken down. if they loose their contract with sky, they've lost the vast majority of the good content on tv that people actually watch :P |
| 06:15.03 | Sky2042 | i thought you went to bed -_- |
| 06:15.16 | zeal | was getting there |
| 06:15.16 | zeal | lol |
| 06:15.18 | Sky2042 | gg |
| 06:20.16 | Sky | i wonder sometimes |
| 06:20.18 | Sky | .. |
| 06:20.24 | Sky | mmm.... nite |
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| 11:20.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Good morning, all! |
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| 11:38.31 | Adys | ffs these nathrezim guilds are freaking me out |
| 11:39.07 | Adys | infobot, give me a hug |
| 11:39.15 | infobot | ACTION gives a hug to adys |
| 11:39.27 | Adys | thank you infobot |
| 11:39.32 | Adys | ~botsnack |
| 11:39.32 | infobot | thanks, Adys |
| 11:39.40 | Adys | and ~kirksnack too |
| 11:40.57 | Adys | talk about rc spam, ugh |
| 11:41.24 | Adys | this guy created about 100 empty guild articles |
| 11:45.47 | Kirkburn|afk | :P |
| 11:45.54 | Kirkburn|afk | I remember telling him off |
| 11:46.47 | Adys | anyways ive killed them all, except the only one that had a semblant of content |
| 11:47.37 | Adys | Packing up atm :) Getting two weeks with some family in greece so either I'll be almost inactive or Ill be VERY active, depending on what happens :P |
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| 11:52.36 | Kirkburn|afk | ~kirksnack |
| 11:52.38 | infobot | Here you go Kirkburn, thousands of chocolate cookies! |
| 11:52.56 | Kirkburn|afk | :P |
| 11:53.00 | Adys | lol |
| 11:55.38 | Adys | I find it funny comparing archive lengths |
| 11:55.41 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump/Archive01 |
| 11:55.45 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump/Archive09 |
| 11:56.04 | Adys | Its 29 times bigger oO |
| 11:56.41 | Adys | well actually its about 80 times bigger since discussions were also way longer |
| 11:56.55 | Adys | WARNING: This page is 200 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections. |
| 11:57.01 | Adys | .. ^^ |
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| 12:05.15 | Adys | Kirkburn|afk: you got stuff to delete in the SD category :P |
| 12:05.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Lol |
| 12:06.31 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Staff_of_the_Ethereal LOL |
| 12:06.47 | Adys | pathetic |
| 12:09.04 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/ValontuojaT |
| 12:09.09 | Adys | "The name ValontuojaT is Finnish and means LightbringerS, however it is still a mystery why the last letter was typed with a large letter. " |
| 12:31.48 | Hobinheim|afk | is it bad that sky0420 (whatever) is signing as "sky" |
| 12:31.54 | Hobinheim|afk | it's not as bad as silverside but still |
| 12:32.44 | Kirkburn|afk | The Smentor :P |
| 12:32.56 | Hobinheim|afk | wait a minute... why did i not see article council before |
| 12:33.00 | Kirkburn|afk | It's close enough for me, tbh |
| 12:33.06 | Hobinheim|afk | i think that's the one i wanted to be on =( |
| 12:33.16 | Hobinheim|afk | keyword "consistency" |
| 12:33.18 | Kirkburn|afk | You can be on whichever ones you want |
| 12:33.23 | Hobinheim|afk | it's just that templates and consistency go hand in hand |
| 12:33.45 | Hobinheim|afk | ugh catteam |
| 12:33.53 | Hobinheim|afk | i always used to point and laugh at catteam |
| 12:34.46 | Adys | Oi |
| 12:34.50 | Adys | Im in the cat team :( |
| 12:34.57 | Adys | remind me the url btw |
| 12:35.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Once this is set up it might be a good idea to create a portal page for the village pump. Basically a list of: "if you have template question, go here" "if you have category questions go here" |
| 12:35.47 | Kirkburn|afk | And have one of the links going to the "proper" village pump |
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| 12:36.37 | Hobinheim|afk | blah i just chucked it one sec |
| 12:36.48 | Hobinheim|afk | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Community_teams/Dev |
| 12:37.12 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:37.24 | Hobinheim|afk | boo gotta get to work soon |
| 12:38.01 | Adys | Kirkburn|afk: I guess admins are added to Watchdogs by default btw |
| 12:38.13 | Adys | since sysops are patrollers |
| 12:38.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Aye |
| 12:38.29 | Kirkburn|afk | And that's what admins should be doing anyway :P |
| 12:38.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Well, you do |
| 12:38.47 | Adys | :P |
| 12:39.26 | Adys | well the patrolling system is a bit fucked up |
| 12:40.38 | Adys | Btw, Im not sure for the article council |
| 12:41.06 | Adys | if its a good idea to merge the styling part and the stub/split/cat/merge/disambig part |
| 12:41.26 | Adys | personally the second part id love to be a help on but I suck with styling |
| 12:48.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Up to the leader how it's organised - I'd suggest having two sort of subteams |
| 12:49.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Might take a look at it this weekend |
| 12:56.43 | Adys | Ok stupid question |
| 12:56.48 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Boilerplate:Zone should this really stay? |
| 12:57.09 | Adys | I mean, theres not gonna be new zones every minor patch |
| 12:57.19 | Adys | and when there is, we have the old zones as boilerplate tbh |
| 13:03.31 | Kirkburn|afk | It's not even very good :P |
| 13:03.59 | Adys | >< |
| 13:07.51 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Warcraft_Universe_Physics Lol |
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| 13:22.38 | Adys | Wow, some serious customer support in europe now |
| 13:22.38 | Adys | http://forums.wow-europe.com/board.html?forumId=18535&sid=1 |
| 13:25.02 | Psyker7_ | customer service and europe didn't mix i thought |
| 13:25.14 | Psyker7_ | rofl thats a lot of blue posts |
| 13:26.02 | Adys | there isnt a single post not answered |
| 13:26.06 | Adys | I never seen that |
| 13:26.12 | Adys | before it was usually half of them left out |
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| 13:48.43 | Zeal | lo all |
| 13:48.50 | Adys | alo zeal |
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| 13:49.59 | Adys | cant wait till the server upgrade now tbh >< |
| 13:50.41 | Zeal | hehe |
| 13:51.57 | Zeal | so Hobinheim|work, your wanting to switch to article council instead of engineers now? |
| 13:51.57 | Zeal | or both? |
| 13:51.57 | Zeal | the idea really is the template team makes the templates and does the styling, but the article council puts them into place and ensures they are used properly where needed. |
| 13:52.15 | Zeal | also to you adys ;) |
| 13:52.44 | Adys | Template team, watchdogs and possibly article council but then without the styling part |
| 13:52.49 | Adys | thats for me :P |
| 13:53.03 | Zeal | thats why stubs, disambig etc are addressed through the article council. so you wouldn't have to worry about doing styling, simply eunsure the styling is consistant |
| 13:53.32 | Zeal | realy, the styling part is jsut cut and pase job :P |
| 13:53.35 | Zeal | *paste |
| 13:53.40 | Zeal | *copy and paste |
| 13:54.54 | Zeal | i know what team's i'd like to be on. Bookkeepers, engineers, article council, cat team (if Kirkburn|afk doesn't abolish it as he plans ;) ) |
| 13:55.56 | Kirkburn|afk | My idea is for article council people to sort that |
| 13:56.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Similar to the Bookkeepers setup, different members can be given different tasks |
| 13:57.17 | Zeal | mhm |
| 13:57.30 | Zeal | i just still feel it's deserving on a pre-established team |
| 13:57.50 | Zeal | even if it is a sub-team of the article council |
| 13:58.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, that's quite possible |
| 13:58.27 | Adys | Wee, I just blocked a spambot without it doing more than one edit |
| 13:58.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Gonna play some CS:S cause I can |
| 13:58.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys awesome |
| 13:58.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Awesome Adys |
| 13:58.56 | Adys | dingdingding |
| 13:59.23 | Kirkburn|afk | ~adyssnack |
| 13:59.25 | infobot | Here you go Adys, thousands of chocolate croissants! |
| 13:59.43 | Adys | infobot, you rock |
| 13:59.43 | infobot | :), Adys |
| 14:00.12 | Adys | well the time for the wiki to ban it it did 2 edits more |
| 14:00.16 | Adys | but Im still proud ;P |
| 14:00.26 | Zeal | croissants, how appropriates ;) |
| 14:00.37 | Zeal | *-s |
| 14:02.02 | Zeal | adys, teomyr introduced me to a new handy wiki btw, you might be interested |
| 14:02.15 | Adys | His wowwikitest thing? |
| 14:02.18 | Zeal | also, i've not proof once and for all, there is no link between those spells |
| 14:02.20 | Zeal | nope |
| 14:02.21 | Zeal | one sec |
| 14:02.42 | Zeal | http://www.anonib.com/_realbeast/index.php?t=327 |
| 14:02.48 | Zeal | er.. |
| 14:02.56 | Zeal | http://www.sourcepeek.com/wiki/Category:World_of_Warcraft_DBC_Files |
| 14:03.01 | Zeal | >_o;;; |
| 14:03.04 | Adys | lmao |
| 14:03.28 | Adys | No one clicked that anyways :P |
| 14:03.32 | Adys | and I know this wiki |
| 14:03.46 | Adys | I very rarely use it tho |
| 14:04.08 | Adys | if i had more time id love to edit it |
| 14:04.15 | Zeal | aye i signed up |
| 14:04.18 | Tepetkhet | I need more graphics. |
| 14:04.22 | Zeal | and have made a few |
| 14:04.57 | Adys | k how do i create an acc now |
| 14:05.04 | Adys | cant find the link >< |
| 14:05.06 | Zeal | sign up on the forums |
| 14:05.33 | Zeal | its an admin varified signup through the forums, and it automates the creation of a wiki account. |
| 14:05.40 | Adys | ok |
| 14:06.05 | Zeal | but yeah, i mentioned last night, it would be nice to do this sorta thing on wow wiki under the api libraby part. |
| 14:06.25 | Zeal | there may be issues with blizz, but at most, they'll just tell us to take it down. |
| 14:06.51 | Adys | tbvh I prefer having this kind of stuff on different wikis |
| 14:06.58 | Zeal | how come? :P |
| 14:07.20 | Adys | the info is still there and accessible but we dont have this kind of problems with blizz |
| 14:07.52 | Zeal | i maded to go through spell and talents, and all their dependencies yesterday. so got the majority of the definitions for DBC Tool now. |
| 14:08.11 | Zeal | yeah, but less people know, and we might be able to present it better |
| 14:08.20 | Zeal | i already found a load of problems with the info on there. |
| 14:12.27 | Adys | well fix it, its a wiki^^ |
| 14:13.03 | Adys | No really honestly, as much as I love both of these wikis and am really interested into all this stuff and ALSO would like it on wowwiki, Im against it |
| 14:13.24 | Zeal | fair enough |
| 14:13.40 | Zeal | tbh, i'm rather interested in testing the water with blizz |
| 14:13.41 | Adys | having it "separated" allows us to still have a good reputation without too much troubles |
| 14:13.48 | Zeal | get it out of grey area in their eyes |
| 14:14.18 | Adys | Meh i wouldnt try tbh |
| 14:14.57 | Adys | http://www.wcradio.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4669 |
| 14:19.21 | Zeal | yeah, don't like TB tbh |
| 14:19.33 | Zeal | not hate him, just dislike |
| 14:19.50 | Adys | dont specially either :P |
| 14:20.01 | Zeal | getting listeners to advertise across multiple forums is lame. |
| 14:20.16 | Zeal | not better than getting them to spam one |
| 14:24.56 | Adys | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=184288553&sid=1 I didnt know that lol |
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| 14:32.33 | Zeal | me either O_o |
| 14:34.51 | Zeal | ah, its not on xp |
| 14:34.56 | Zeal | its only 95-98 |
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| 14:35.19 | Adys | nope, xp aswell |
| 14:35.33 | Zeal | nah, the bug is only on those |
| 14:35.40 | Zeal | xp, you just can't do it still :P |
| 14:35.47 | Adys | you still get the problem |
| 14:35.59 | Adys | the folders inside WTF need to bear the char's name to save data |
| 14:36.00 | Zeal | aye, but that's "working as intended" ;) |
| 14:36.08 | Zeal | well yeah |
| 14:36.18 | Zeal | that's blizz's fault :p |
| 14:36.29 | Zeal | they need to put those in reserved names database |
| 14:38.18 | Adys | agree |
| 14:38.25 | Adys | well guess they have by now |
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| 14:44.47 | Adys | pong timeout? |
| 14:45.07 | Adys | now thats new |
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| 14:50.22 | Adys2010 | test |
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| 14:51.57 | Zeal | lol |
| 14:52.01 | Adys | >< |
| 14:53.02 | Adys | ~ping |
| 14:53.04 | infobot | pong |
| 14:53.11 | Adys | hm |
| 14:53.23 | Adys | I still have these random disconnects then |
| 14:57.06 | Zeal | hehe |
| 14:57.10 | Zeal | ~ping |
| 14:57.12 | infobot | pong |
| 15:13.58 | Adys | http://forums.wow-europe.com/board.html?forumId=18535&sid=1 seriously its the first time europe is "better" than US on the customer support side |
| 15:28.39 | Kirkburn|afk | No day goes by without more bad news from Sony! http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/23/european-ps3-not-so-backwards-compatible/ |
| 15:44.12 | Zeal | "Sony is managing expectations by saying now that the new console will play fewer of the old games, and that's a good thing," <-- rofl, way to spin it |
| 15:45.36 | Tuqui-tuqui | I blame Britney Spears |
| 15:48.17 | sancus | she is ugly as fuck |
| 15:51.43 | Zeal | lol |
| 15:51.56 | Zeal | hm.. i need someone with outland experience to help me out here |
| 15:52.21 | Zeal | any idea what Alliance/Horde Field Scout means? likely a World PvP objective or something |
| 15:52.31 | Teomyr | hi everyone |
| 15:52.35 | sancus | outland is not for level 26s |
| 15:52.55 | Teomyr | zeal, there are field scouts in zangarmarsh |
| 15:53.16 | Teomyr | they give you a "flag" that you can use to capture the twinspire thingy |
| 15:53.18 | Zeal | hey Teomyr |
| 15:53.25 | Zeal | ah, cool. ty :) |
| 15:53.53 | Zeal | is there an icon for this that appears on the map? |
| 15:54.25 | Teomyr | yes, two flags, one for each faction |
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| 15:55.34 | Zeal | cool |
| 15:55.47 | Zeal | do they change colour when captured? |
| 15:56.29 | Teomyr | they can't be captured, but yes, they change colur depending on which locations are dominated |
| 15:56.43 | Teomyr | *colour |
| 15:56.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Wait, I thought you just needed to stand by them |
| 15:57.01 | Kirkburn|afk | With PvP on |
| 15:57.32 | Zeal | ok.. how about Wyvern Camp |
| 15:57.35 | Zeal | what's that? |
| 15:57.35 | Zeal | lol |
| 15:57.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Wyvern Camp? |
| 15:58.05 | Teomyr | Kirkburn|afk: yes, that's correct for the two locations. but to capture twinspire graveyard, you need a flag |
| 15:58.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Teomyr, ah okay |
| 15:58.15 | Adys | Wyvern camp? |
| 15:58.22 | Teomyr | Wavern Camp? |
| 15:58.25 | Adys | the ones in nagrand? |
| 15:58.33 | Teomyr | i think that's nearby telaar |
| 15:58.38 | Teomyr | erm, halaa |
| 15:58.38 | Adys | Halaa you mean |
| 15:58.40 | Teomyr | yes |
| 15:58.45 | Zeal | hm, kk |
| 15:58.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh right, they've for bombing runs |
| 15:59.04 | Kirkburn|afk | *they're |
| 15:59.08 | Adys | you capture them when its the opposite faction controlling the town so you can use them and bomb people from the air |
| 15:59.10 | Zeal | http://www.sourcepeek.com/wiki/AreaPOI.Icon.Values adding the new values to that is all ;) |
| 15:59.13 | Adys | 4 camps, 4 different paths |
| 15:59.38 | Zeal | hm.. well i've got two uncontrolled states.. |
| 15:59.38 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Blizzard_forum_poster we need to change that thing |
| 15:59.46 | Adys | getting bad lag when checking the patch |
| 15:59.46 | Teomyr | zeal, i'm currently coding my own dbc viewer in C# |
| 15:59.49 | Adys | page* |
| 16:00.05 | Zeal | yeah, i thought you were when you were talking about the thread stuff :P |
| 16:00.19 | Zeal | i hear python is better though ;) |
| 16:00.37 | Adys | bah zeal |
| 16:00.48 | Teomyr | if you implement a data source in c# correctly, that allows the grid view control to access only certain records in the file |
| 16:00.54 | Adys | all this stuff makes me want to get back to my old dbc work |
| 16:00.57 | Adys | and meh |
| 16:01.05 | Zeal | old dbc work adys? |
| 16:01.07 | Adys | id love to but i fucking need more time >< |
| 16:01.32 | Adys | yar, I was checking up dbcs, listing them up, basically doing the missing work they were doing on this wiki |
| 16:01.34 | Zeal | lol Teomyr, what i "i hear" that means only that. i have no clue :P |
| 16:01.53 | Zeal | i just know all python apps i've used are tiny, compact and work well :p |
| 16:02.02 | Teomyr | python is nice, yes ;) |
| 16:02.04 | Adys | Im running out of time tho, so many things to do and 24 hours available per day |
| 16:03.23 | Zeal | lol |
| 16:03.37 | Zeal | that's why i extened my days by a few hours ;) |
| 16:03.42 | Teomyr | my dbc viewer doesn't need to parse the complete file at once |
| 16:03.57 | Teomyr | it only reads the chunks necessary to view the data you want to see |
| 16:04.03 | Teomyr | which makes it kinda fast :D |
| 16:04.08 | Zeal | Teomyr, just make sure it can open mpqs :p |
| 16:04.28 | Teomyr | nah, i'm too lazy to do that :> |
| 16:04.32 | Zeal | lol |
| 16:04.53 | Teomyr | besides, holidays are over on monday... no time |
| 16:06.12 | Zeal | ah |
| 16:06.18 | Zeal | well i guess that's ok |
| 16:06.25 | Zeal | but i want definition file! |
| 16:06.28 | Zeal | *a |
| 16:06.34 | Zeal | like DBC Tools |
| 16:06.46 | Teomyr | yes, i want that too |
| 16:07.08 | Teomyr | one that is readable and usable for my dbc extension for mediawiki |
| 16:07.30 | Zeal | indeed, that would probably be a good way to deal with it |
| 16:08.22 | Zeal | bypasses the web interface idea |
| 16:08.45 | Zeal | still left with soem hard coded scripting of how to deal with the info, but that's always going to happen. |
| 16:09.13 | Zeal | but being able to define and create relationships externally is good. |
| 16:12.42 | Tepetkhet | I need an artist designer type friend. :( |
| 16:13.06 | Adys | Ive got one :P |
| 16:13.40 | Tepetkhet | Lucky you. |
| 16:13.56 | Adys | I mean, what do you need >< |
| 16:14.12 | Tepetkhet | A banner for my site that doesn't suck. |
| 16:14.19 | Tepetkhet | I keep wrestling with things. |
| 16:14.32 | Tepetkhet | I will probably keep fiddling with it and try to get it right on my own, I guess. |
| 16:15.28 | Zeal | i am one, lol |
| 16:16.04 | Zeal | if i wasn't busy atm, i'd offer assistance Tepetkhet :/ |
| 16:16.39 | Tepetkhet | Thanks for the thought. |
| 16:16.48 | Tepetkhet | Muahaha |
| 16:17.01 | Tepetkhet | I tore some graphics out of Blizzard's site. They are going to sue me. |
| 16:17.51 | Zeal | lol |
| 16:18.24 | Zeal | i edited and coloured their artwork for WoL, i really don't care :p |
| 16:26.02 | Zeal | Teomyr, another thing i would like to see, is a more intuitive and helpful lookup search |
| 16:26.27 | Teomyr | explain |
| 16:27.20 | Zeal | one that will search in all dbc's, not just the ones you have loaded, but can be filtered to only do a few (block/allow check list perhaps). Then also a more helpful display to show the likely hood |
| 16:27.46 | Adys | Zeal: is this thing ok to delete? http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Delete_Test |
| 16:27.54 | Zeal | figuring it out with values, misses, hits, differences, and quantifier isn't exactly helpfull and easy to understand really |
| 16:28.02 | Adys | it shows up in votes for deleting every time i check :p |
| 16:28.06 | Zeal | yes Adys |
| 16:28.09 | Adys | ok |
| 16:28.40 | Zeal | it was just a test to use the delete template. forgot to speeddelete it :p |
| 16:28.48 | Zeal | *y |
| 16:34.56 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Templates/Elinks_Templates_Standardization need more votes |
| 16:35.40 | verxion_ | welp |
| 16:35.45 | verxion_ | I should hit 40 tonight on my lock |
| 16:36.12 | verxion_ | had to run some guildies through to get them keyed for Karazhan with my hunter, so haven't had as much time to spend on the lock as I would like |
| 16:36.19 | Zeal | that page makes me want to hit people... lol |
| 16:36.32 | Adys | no shit zeal :P |
| 16:39.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, image of Crezax is missing |
| 16:39.24 | Adys | Aye I know |
| 16:39.26 | Adys | some others too |
| 16:39.31 | Adys | they are not up on the website |
| 16:39.37 | Kirkburn|afk | And Gandraor |
| 16:39.42 | Kirkburn|afk | You sure? |
| 16:39.50 | Adys | yeah check the history, precedent version |
| 16:39.57 | Adys | was using an imagelink that wasnt working |
| 16:40.00 | verxion_ | so Zeal, you dislike thot? |
| 16:40.15 | Adys | verxion_: yes he does :P |
| 16:40.15 | Kirkburn|afk | http://forums.wow-europe.com/images/portraits/bliz/Crezax.gif |
| 16:40.21 | verxion_ | heh |
| 16:40.27 | Kirkburn|afk | http://forums.wow-europe.com/images/portraits/bliz/Gandraor.gif |
| 16:40.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Used capital letters :/ |
| 16:40.46 | Adys | lol |
| 16:40.48 | verxion_ | well Thot has better information for some things than any other source I have been able to find |
| 16:40.49 | Adys | gonna upload them sec |
| 16:41.00 | Adys | spells verxion_ |
| 16:41.00 | verxion_ | so I will go ahead and cast my vote accordingly |
| 16:41.01 | Adys | ? |
| 16:41.42 | Adys | Kirkburn|afk: added them |
| 16:41.59 | Zeal | Verxion, i dislike thott and alla, but that's got nothing to do with why that page angers me. it's about people not reading and voting blindly for irrelevent reasons. |
| 16:42.20 | Verxion | zeal: What do you recommend over thot or alla? |
| 16:42.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Ta Adys :) |
| 16:42.38 | Adys | WHAT THE HELL does ta stand for come on |
| 16:42.46 | Adys | wowhead verxion? |
| 16:42.52 | Adys | simply :p |
| 16:42.56 | Verxion | wowhead sucks the worst of all... |
| 16:43.06 | Verxion | I absolutely HATE wowhead |
| 16:43.10 | Adys | thats an argument i can take up, ill write that down |
| 16:43.37 | Adys | the only thing that annoys me with wowhead is the fact they dont make icons available easily |
| 16:43.46 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm on the fence between option 1 and 2 tbh |
| 16:44.17 | Adys | Kirkburn, so was I to be really honest, thats why I precised thottbot link can be added manually eventually |
| 16:44.40 | Adys | if the comments or whatever is really special or unique in the thottbot cape for example |
| 16:44.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Specified :) |
| 16:45.00 | Adys | grrr |
| 16:45.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Heh, precised isn't a real word |
| 16:45.19 | Adys | dont care :P I like it |
| 16:45.20 | Adys | http://www.thottbot.com/?i=13816 |
| 16:45.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Aye |
| 16:45.42 | Verxion | wowhead is so frigging innaccurate |
| 16:45.42 | Zeal | what makes wowhead bad Verxion? O_o |
| 16:45.48 | Zeal | er.. rofl |
| 16:45.50 | Adys | lol |
| 16:45.55 | Zeal | i could say the same about thott |
| 16:46.12 | Verxion | Zeal: and you would be wrong |
| 16:46.12 | Adys | wowhead is the most accurate database by far far far of all of them |
| 16:46.12 | Zeal | alla has benn the most accurate imo. |
| 16:46.12 | Zeal | no, i wouldn't Verxion |
| 16:46.20 | Verxion | the nice thing about thot is that in the cases where it is wrong, it has enough USERS that they correct it in the notes |
| 16:46.23 | Adys | its just less used which makes it in line with wowhead |
| 16:46.29 | Verxion | Zeal: I agree that alla is the most accurate |
| 16:46.38 | Adys | er, meant alla sorry |
| 16:46.54 | Verxion | Zeal: the pre-requisite quest link on alla rocks |
| 16:47.10 | Verxion | Zeal: I do wish they showed the entire chain though |
| 16:47.17 | Zeal | it's the format it's presented in on wowhead that appeals to me. plus the lack of IGE affiliation. |
| 16:47.39 | Verxion | the format it is presented on wowhead is the primary reason I refuse to use it |
| 16:47.45 | Zeal | lol |
| 16:47.52 | Adys | personally its the accuracy of wowhead i like |
| 16:47.56 | Zeal | plus wowhead is the fasted of them for me. |
| 16:48.01 | Verxion | accuracy?!? |
| 16:48.05 | Zeal | *fastest |
| 16:48.16 | Verxion | Adys: have you done any of the BC raid instance key quests? |
| 16:48.23 | Adys | Yes |
| 16:48.34 | Verxion | then you KNOW how inaccurate wowhead is |
| 16:48.39 | Adys | and your point is? if infos are lacking its not inaccuracy |
| 16:48.40 | Verxion | so don't talk about its accuracy, rofl |
| 16:48.53 | Adys | accuracy is being correct |
| 16:48.56 | Zeal | i would have no idea |
| 16:49.00 | Adys | lacking info is another problem |
| 16:49.07 | Zeal | but in the areas i've looekd at, wowhead is more accurate than thott |
| 16:49.15 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?object=1165 thats something you wont find on neither allakhazam nor thottbot for example |
| 16:49.31 | Verxion | adys, which is why I have a problem with them - there is a LOT of inaccuracy on wowhead |
| 16:49.51 | Adys | An object containing an item that drops 100% of the time that has ONE location in ONE zone with ONE coord |
| 16:49.54 | Verxion | gunther's books? |
| 16:49.58 | Verxion | what the hell is that? |
| 16:49.58 | Adys | you cant be more accurate than that |
| 16:50.03 | Zeal | rofl |
| 16:50.13 | Zeal | verixon, it's not accuracy |
| 16:50.21 | Zeal | its quanitity of information |
| 16:50.23 | Verxion | the next time I care about gunther's books I will think of wowhead |
| 16:50.30 | Verxion | until then I use the sites with the information I need |
| 16:50.44 | Adys | its a fucking example |
| 16:50.56 | Zeal | wowhead doesn't get much wrong, but it does lack a fair bit. |
| 16:51.04 | Adys | Lacking info is solved by having more users |
| 16:51.09 | Zeal | aye |
| 16:51.16 | Adys | its like saying wcrealms sucks because its inaccurate |
| 16:51.23 | Verxion | heh |
| 16:51.26 | Verxion | ok.... |
| 16:51.29 | Verxion | all I know is |
| 16:51.31 | Verxion | when I need info |
| 16:51.34 | Verxion | alla is first |
| 16:51.36 | Verxion | thot second |
| 16:51.43 | Verxion | and wowhead is where I look if I am bored |
| 16:51.53 | Zeal | wowhead, alla, thott for me. |
| 16:52.04 | Adys | same as zeal |
| 16:52.10 | Adys | except for icons, alla is first |
| 16:52.15 | Zeal | i had to alugh at a new one i saw forming |
| 16:52.17 | Adys | and for stats, thott comes before alla |
| 16:52.33 | Zeal | said it was the fastest.. its was actually the slowest.. |
| 16:52.37 | Verxion | yeah if I am looking for item drop rates then thot is first |
| 16:52.42 | Zeal | for icons? |
| 16:52.46 | Adys | yeah lets convert the world to goblinworksho^p |
| 16:52.49 | Adys | -^ |
| 16:52.59 | Zeal | for icons i go to my mpq's ;) |
| 16:53.09 | Verxion | thot has the most durable site design for mass users |
| 16:53.10 | Adys | i dont mean downloading them |
| 16:53.20 | Adys | I mean if I want to know what icon something uses |
| 16:53.28 | Zeal | you eman confirming them and getting names right? |
| 16:53.29 | Verxion | the way alla does it, I am surprised they keep up as well as they do |
| 16:53.33 | Adys | aye |
| 16:53.42 | Adys | Spells: Thott, WoWHead, Alla |
| 16:53.49 | Adys | Icons: Alla, Thott, WoWHead |
| 16:53.56 | Zeal | well alla's icons tend to be outdated in my experience, but they are usually the most accurately named. |
| 16:54.05 | Adys | Droprates: Alla, WoWHead/Thott equal in different situations |
| 16:54.07 | Zeal | wowhead is like useless for that.. lol |
| 16:54.10 | Adys | aye |
| 16:54.14 | Zeal | *(icons) |
| 16:54.24 | Adys | Comments they are pretty much all equal tbh |
| 16:54.28 | *** join/#wowwiki Kaso (n=Kaso@resnet01.nat.lancs.ac.uk) |
| 16:54.33 | Adys | WoWHead has less comments but a far better rating system |
| 16:54.35 | Zeal | comments, i like alla |
| 16:54.40 | Zeal | but yes |
| 16:54.47 | Zeal | in time, comments, wowhead will win out. |
| 16:54.51 | Adys | idd |
| 16:55.04 | Verxion | imho, thot has best comments for pre expansion |
| 16:55.13 | Verxion | and alla has best comments for BC content |
| 16:55.22 | Verxion | going further |
| 16:55.29 | Verxion | thot has the absolute WORST comments for BC |
| 16:55.39 | Adys | thott is a comment hell |
| 16:55.47 | Adys | its the one full of hunterweapon kiddies n stuff |
| 16:55.50 | Zeal | thott's was poorly layed out, hard to flowow, and mostly just rumors, flaming or spam. |
| 16:55.56 | Zeal | *follow |
| 16:55.59 | Zeal | *is |
| 16:56.00 | Adys | but its more used and has a kinda decent rating system |
| 16:56.09 | Adys | so you can find fast the good comments, sometimes |
| 16:56.14 | Adys | thats why i say all equal |
| 16:56.28 | Adys | For the newest additions, its Alla, and WH/Thott equal |
| 16:56.43 | Verxion | adsys - I would agree with you there |
| 16:56.54 | Adys | WH generally comes last on additions but thottbot's info is so crap on these that its nearly useless |
| 16:56.57 | Kirkburn|afk | There's more than one Adys!? |
| 16:57.03 | Zeal | post BC, wowhead is getting the newest info in the comments imo |
| 16:57.18 | Adys | Aye that bit is true |
| 16:57.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Sorry, being weird, don't mind me :) |
| 16:58.03 | Adys | on simplicity to use (in game), WoWHead, Allak, Thott |
| 16:58.03 | Adys | WH is very simple clean and never fails |
| 16:58.03 | Adys | allak is simple but a bit weird to use, has problems with profiles n stuff |
| 16:58.04 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, we never mind you ;) |
| 16:58.08 | Adys | and thottbot is shit |
| 16:58.25 | Adys | lol |
| 16:58.33 | Adys | ~kirksnack |
| 16:58.37 | infobot | Here you go Kirkburn, thousands of chocolate cookies! |
| 16:58.38 | Zeal | hm.. i probably put alla below thottbot for use in game |
| 16:58.56 | Zeal | cos alla has too much crap going on, and takes the longest to load in my experience |
| 16:59.02 | Kirkburn|afk | I agree |
| 16:59.17 | Adys | its simpler to use but i didnt use it since a while and same for thott so might be wrong |
| 16:59.32 | Adys | what i can safely say is that wowhead is the best for the contributer part |
| 16:59.46 | Zeal | nah, we're the best for that Adys ;) |
| 16:59.54 | Adys | pft:p |
| 16:59.55 | Adys | soon ^^ |
| 17:00.19 | Adys | For screenshots.. well depends a bit but id say again equal to all |
| 17:00.32 | *** join/#wowwiki Gryphen (n=gryphon@mail.alexdevco.com) |
| 17:00.32 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Gryphen] by ChanServ |
| 17:00.43 | Adys | wowhead has screenshots of objects etc very often, which thott and alla dont - very useful for quests |
| 17:00.47 | Zeal | hm.. probably the same adys |
| 17:00.50 | Adys | but overall it has "less" due to it being new |
| 17:00.57 | equiraptor | Thott frequently does have screenshots. |
| 17:01.04 | Adys | not of objects |
| 17:01.13 | Adys | i yet have to see that |
| 17:01.15 | equiraptor | I've seen screenshots of objects there. |
| 17:01.33 | equiraptor | It's a bit difference from the way wowhead does it, but I've seen them. |
| 17:01.48 | Zeal | what, someone posted them in comments? ;) |
| 17:01.52 | equiraptor | No. |
| 17:02.04 | Zeal | hehe |
| 17:02.04 | equiraptor | They have a method for uploading screenshots, and I've seen object screenshots there before. |
| 17:02.11 | Adys | http://www.thottbot.com/?i=8085 yeah sorry |
| 17:02.18 | equiraptor | I can't go find an example right now because the images don't work for me while at work. |
| 17:02.27 | Adys | well Verxion when i was talking about inaccuracy i was talking about that |
| 17:02.30 | Tuqui-tuqui | I like Allakhazam for the median price guide, thottbot to look at mob drops, and goblnworkshop because of mapquests :D |
| 17:02.31 | Zeal | slow thott.com :P |
| 17:02.50 | Gryphen | quick here |
| 17:02.56 | Zeal | very slow here.. |
| 17:03.08 | Zeal | stuck at 30% |
| 17:03.12 | Zeal | slower that the wiki ;) |
| 17:03.13 | Adys | it drops from "The Book of Ur" "The Book of Ur." "The Book of Ur" "Fenrus the Devourer" "Large Battered Chest".... |
| 17:03.25 | Adys | it disenchants into strange dust, light leather, medium leather |
| 17:03.26 | Gryphen | loaded like 10 pages on thott click click click just fine |
| 17:03.29 | Zeal | internal server error |
| 17:03.33 | Zeal | that's why |
| 17:03.34 | Zeal | rofl |
| 17:03.35 | Adys | its objective for the quest level 0 "ashenvale" |
| 17:03.50 | Adys | its a 0% droprate from archmage arugal |
| 17:03.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Thott has ups and downs, sometimes very fast, sometimes slow. Might be slightly location based |
| 17:04.01 | Adys | THAT is inaccuracy you see? |
| 17:04.07 | Adys | and here its fast |
| 17:04.10 | Zeal | yeah, that's my experience too Kirkburn|afk |
| 17:04.32 | Zeal | it's not very reliable : / |
| 17:04.37 | Kirkburn|afk | It's like the 700th most popular website in the world, so it has an excuse |
| 17:04.50 | Zeal | lol |
| 17:04.55 | Kirkburn|afk | (possibly higher, not checked recently) |
| 17:04.56 | Gryphen | ive never had any trouble getting what i need from thott |
| 17:05.06 | Adys | the problem with thottbot is that now its good but it had a very bad period |
| 17:05.13 | Adys | it needs a database wipe tbh |
| 17:05.19 | Adys | and they cant afford doing that |
| 17:05.25 | Gryphen | thott is running on about 25 servers |
| 17:05.38 | Zeal | bah, i give up. thott aint working for me. keep getting server errors |
| 17:05.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, I'll try |
| 17:05.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Fine for me |
| 17:06.06 | Adys | ok once again for the late ones anyways |
| 17:06.10 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Templates/Elinks_Templates_Standardization go vote :P |
| 17:07.24 | Zeal | thott itself is working |
| 17:07.26 | Zeal | it's jsut that page |
| 17:07.47 | Zeal | so i'm guessing its the being a bitch getting stuff from the db |
| 17:07.57 | Gryphen | i go to thott for info instead of wiki anyhow, so elinks dont matter much to me |
| 17:08.21 | Zeal | aye, most people currently go to a database site :p |
| 17:08.28 | Adys | indeed :P |
| 17:08.41 | Zeal | the wiki can't offer the accuracy and completeness as any of them. yet. |
| 17:08.58 | Adys | what i like with wowhead too |
| 17:09.05 | Adys | is it shows the disenchanting skill required |
| 17:09.10 | Adys | its a bit I just like :P |
| 17:09.16 | Zeal | cool |
| 17:10.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Voted |
| 17:10.23 | Adys | ta :) |
| 17:10.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Wtf does TA mean!? |
| 17:10.36 | Zeal | *glares |
| 17:10.41 | Kirkburn|afk | *winks |
| 17:10.46 | Adys | =) |
| 17:10.51 | Kirkburn|afk | *shows a little leg |
| 17:11.00 | Adys | honestly i dont care whichever of 1 or 2 wins |
| 17:11.02 | Zeal | lame comment ftl :( |
| 17:11.06 | Kirkburn|afk | *then beats Zeal over the head with it |
| 17:11.13 | Teomyr | damn |
| 17:11.17 | Adys | as long as one of them wins and we can start modifying |
| 17:11.19 | Kirkburn|afk | What? Lame how? |
| 17:11.21 | Teomyr | can't i leave you alone for half an hour? |
| 17:11.25 | Adys | no |
| 17:11.26 | Zeal | i don't care which of the two wins, aslong as it's discouraged practice. |
| 17:11.40 | Adys | Will be zeal dont worry |
| 17:11.51 | Teomyr | sometimes literally nothing happens in this channel, and sometimes i have to catch up with reading 10.000 lines to get an idea of what you're talking about :D |
| 17:12.11 | Zeal | aye |
| 17:12.14 | Zeal | that's the way of IRc |
| 17:12.16 | Zeal | *IRC |
| 17:12.19 | Adys | The idea is that the ID of an item is required and possibly even a part of the page name so automatically adding the allak/wowhead links |
| 17:12.25 | Zeal | everyone idles and then a burst of chat for about an hour :p |
| 17:12.33 | Adys | and the thottbot is "optional" |
| 17:12.38 | Adys | thottbot one* |
| 17:12.40 | Teomyr | why did you poke me, adys? :P |
| 17:12.45 | Adys | to get you to vote |
| 17:12.50 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Templates/Elinks_Templates_Standardization |
| 17:12.51 | Teomyr | ah, kk |
| 17:13.26 | Kirkburn|afk | I want an optional parameter as it allows changes to be made in future |
| 17:13.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Say, for example, Thott switched to "proper" ids, less pages to edit |
| 17:13.44 | Adys | Aye |
| 17:14.02 | Adys | lol gryphen btw |
| 17:14.03 | Kirkburn|afk | (even if it is unlikely, we can't rule it out) |
| 17:14.10 | Adys | that sig is.. wow :P |
| 17:14.14 | Adys | flashy |
| 17:14.28 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 17:14.51 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, if they did that. you'd change the template to make it use the ID all the others are using, not ask people to write the id twice :P |
| 17:15.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes I know |
| 17:15.19 | Kirkburn|afk | if you choose option 1, however, the thott links will be straight text |
| 17:15.26 | Zeal | yeah |
| 17:15.29 | Kirkburn|afk | That means editing every page |
| 17:15.47 | Zeal | well i predict by then, we will have out own competing database, so the external links won't even be needed :P |
| 17:15.50 | Adys | well the thing with option 1 is i honestly doubt anyones gonna bother with thottbot linking |
| 17:15.52 | Kirkburn|afk | This is regardless of whether it is or isn't discouraged |
| 17:15.55 | Zeal | *our |
| 17:16.30 | Kirkburn|afk | The external links should always exist :) |
| 17:16.39 | Zeal | erm.. why? |
| 17:16.42 | Adys | back in 20 mins |
| 17:17.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Because we aren't literal competition against database sites |
| 17:17.19 | Zeal | policy states we favour interal over external. if we provide complete information, the same is what is in the external link, there is no need to link externally to send user's elsewhere. |
| 17:17.34 | Zeal | doesn't matter about competition |
| 17:17.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, that's fair enough, but these are "See Also" links |
| 17:17.42 | Zeal | its about providing reliable and local information |
| 17:17.43 | Kirkburn|afk | They aren't part of the main article, or the main links |
| 17:17.55 | Zeal | and? still not needed |
| 17:18.10 | Kirkburn|afk | The comments on the database sites are incredibly useful |
| 17:18.24 | Zeal | as should ours become |
| 17:18.47 | Zeal | linking externally discourages the use of the wiki and contributing to it. |
| 17:19.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyway, it'll be best to come to this when we come to this |
| 17:19.29 | Zeal | lol |
| 17:19.50 | Zeal | well i know someone somewhere is with me, because i only took this stance because they brought up the issue :p |
| 17:20.11 | Gryphen | Adys is |
| 17:20.14 | Gryphen | :) |
| 17:20.28 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm not "against" you |
| 17:20.38 | Zeal | lol |
| 17:20.42 | Gryphen | without automation i dont think it can compete |
| 17:20.58 | Zeal | aye, its is ofc only when we have that in place. |
| 17:21.02 | Gryphen | if automation is incorporated i think it will become much more useful |
| 17:21.30 | Zeal | if we can't provide as good as an external site, thne by all means, link to it. |
| 17:22.08 | Zeal | just saying, when the day comes we can provide equally as well, or better, then it's time to wave b'bye ;) |
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| 17:43.39 | Adys | Woo, its my day with vandals |
| 17:43.44 | Adys | banned this one within the minute |
| 17:45.39 | Zeal | lol |
| 17:46.16 | Zeal | your got profficiency bonus in One-Handed Ban Hammers Adys? ;) |
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| 17:46.23 | Adys | Yap |
| 17:46.44 | Zeal | wb Tepetkhet |
| 17:47.13 | Adys | lol anyone remember "Baby panda sneezing"? |
| 17:47.17 | Adys | I just got this linked |
| 17:47.18 | Adys | http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/250/pandazonkag1.gif |
| 17:48.53 | Adys | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=184738532&sid=1 haha |
| 17:51.06 | Teomyr | that actually happened to my brother, and he's an experienced player |
| 17:51.14 | Teomyr | its a matter of timing |
| 17:51.16 | Adys | I meant the answer he got |
| 17:51.56 | Adys | tho i gotta say |
| 17:52.24 | Adys | all the first pages of this forums, theres not a single thread that didnt get an answer |
| 17:52.35 | Adys | the first one i see without one is at the bottom of page 5 |
| 17:53.08 | Adys | and i dont see any other until page 15 |
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| 17:53.42 | Adys | and these generally get answered by other players |
| 17:55.13 | Teomyr | have you ever had a look at the ptr forums? |
| 17:55.13 | Adys | aye |
| 17:55.13 | Teomyr | the german one is moderated quite extensively :D |
| 17:55.13 | Teomyr | http://forums.wow-europe.com/board.html?forumId=11117&sid=3 |
| 17:55.13 | Adys | ah |
| 17:55.13 | Teomyr | that is: close, close, ban, move |
| 17:55.13 | Adys | i guess yeah |
| 17:55.30 | Adys | tbh Eilanai is impressive |
| 17:55.38 | Adys | he/she just answers every single post |
| 17:55.49 | Adys | and keeps calm |
| 17:56.10 | Adys | I mean come on, how can you keep calm when you deal daily with people like that: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=160836093&sid=1 |
| 17:57.09 | Teomyr | after some time, i'd definitely freak out |
| 17:57.27 | Teomyr | if i had to reply to the same stupid questions over and over again |
| 17:58.32 | Adys | thats what really sucks |
| 17:58.40 | Adys | he/she is doing an incredibly awesome job |
| 17:58.53 | Adys | but tbh, id understand if after some time it starts going downhill |
| 18:07.09 | Shadowed | Adys: You complain about them to people you know :p |
| 18:07.26 | Adys | I complain about "them" |
| 18:07.35 | Adys | I dont complain about Eilanai |
| 18:07.41 | Adys | he/she's fucking great |
| 18:07.45 | Shadowed | "them" being the posters not "them" being Eilanai |
| 18:08.01 | Adys | what do you mean then |
| 18:08.31 | Shadowed | just complain about the idiots on the boards to other blizzard posters or such |
| 18:08.41 | Shadowed | although I suppose some people may not find it that bad to deal with them |
| 18:11.36 | winkiller | but i really don't understand why they don't allow 1 genderchange per year for example, like other MMOs |
| 18:12.02 | winkiller | and in general that single poster mentioned wasn't either annoying or offensive |
| 18:12.30 | winkiller | a GM who would've freaked out on the aforementioned post would have severe issues with being calm |
| 18:14.16 | Shadowed | because every night elf male would switch to a female when they realise how bad the animations look! |
| 18:15.05 | Tekkub | any CSS masters here? |
| 18:15.15 | Tekkub | http://www.wowwiki.com/Dongle/Database_API#DongleObject:InitializeDB.28name.5B.2C_defaults.2C_defaultProfile.5D.29 |
| 18:15.21 | Tekkub | look at "Type" in the table |
| 18:15.45 | Tekkub | how can I add some padding to the left-right of the text inside the cell via CSS? |
| 18:16.56 | Teomyr | padding-left and padding-right |
| 18:17.06 | Tekkub | thank you |
| 18:17.22 | Adys | ~adys |
| 18:17.23 | infobot | i guess adys is sorry because he sucks with styling and css |
| 18:18.42 | Zeal | hm.. i didn't so any of the vote templates i see.. |
| 18:18.51 | Zeal | onyl did delete and policy ones |
| 18:21.27 | Tekkub | arg |
| 18:21.28 | Zeal | actually Tekkub |
| 18:21.36 | Zeal | use cellpadding="blah" |
| 18:21.40 | Tekkub | I fucking hate this lack of CSS |
| 18:21.53 | Tekkub | will that pad all around the cells tho? |
| 18:22.01 | Tekkub | I only want left/right |
| 18:22.11 | Tekkub | top/bottom spacing is perfect |
| 18:22.25 | Zeal | too late, done it :p |
| 18:23.00 | Tekkub | yea it effects all edges |
| 18:23.04 | Zeal | it only seems perfect vertically, as you don't see the full hieght of the words |
| 18:23.16 | Zeal | if you had for example | it would look wrong |
| 18:24.01 | Tekkub | well that looks no diff to me... |
| 18:24.26 | Tekkub | I think you got it backwords |
| 18:24.35 | Zeal | no? |
| 18:24.37 | Tekkub | I want to ADD space on the left/right |
| 18:24.53 | Tekkub | so that the columns aren't all crammed together |
| 18:24.55 | Zeal | yes.. and i'm saying you really want to ad it all around :P |
| 18:25.09 | Tekkub | okey lets see then... |
| 18:25.13 | Zeal | oh, you want cell spacing? |
| 18:25.37 | Tekkub | I don't know what exactly I want... I just want a bit less crapages |
| 18:25.43 | Tekkub | *crampage |
| 18:26.00 | Zeal | well atm, it's not cramped at all :S |
| 18:26.56 | Tekkub | it is on my end... and cellpadding is having no noticable effect... |
| 18:27.04 | Zeal | cellpadding = spcaing between the edge of the cell and it's contents (the text). cellspacing = spacing between a cell's edge and the cell edges around it. |
| 18:27.07 | Tekkub | I just pushed it up to 25 and don't see any change |
| 18:27.16 | Zeal | lol |
| 18:27.20 | Zeal | browser? |
| 18:27.23 | Tekkub | FF2 |
| 18:27.34 | Teomyr | did you specify the unit? |
| 18:27.37 | Tekkub | it's the em |
| 18:27.39 | Zeal | that's probably why. beleive FF dropped support for it.. |
| 18:27.44 | Tekkub | removed that, big change |
| 18:27.52 | Gryphen | zeals looks more spaced in ie7 |
| 18:28.00 | Zeal | oh, so it's not that |
| 18:28.00 | Gryphen | looks/is |
| 18:28.21 | Zeal | it's that FF2 doesn't support units other than pixels for cellpadding XD |
| 18:28.23 | Zeal | how lamwe |
| 18:28.26 | Zeal | *lame |
| 18:28.43 | Zeal | i find that rather amusing |
| 18:28.46 | Zeal | go FF2 failures |
| 18:28.48 | Tekkub | yea well here's the other half of it... |
| 18:28.52 | Tekkub | I set it to 5 |
| 18:29.01 | Tekkub | I get a tiny bit added to the L/R |
| 18:29.06 | Tekkub | and a bunch on T/B |
| 18:29.14 | Zeal | doubtful |
| 18:29.18 | Zeal | it jsut appears that way |
| 18:29.26 | Tekkub | which makes cells still look tall and thinner than I'm after |
| 18:29.57 | Zeal | set it to two |
| 18:30.03 | Zeal | that should be fine |
| 18:30.11 | Tekkub | okey, without that set, there's a gap of about 1/8" on top bottom, and the cell edge is right against the text L/R |
| 18:30.26 | Zeal | i set it to 0.2em because i care about accesability >_> |
| 18:30.56 | Tekkub | let me give you a pic so you'll see what I want |
| 18:31.02 | Tekkub | since words aren't working |
| 18:32.33 | Zeal | i knwo what you want |
| 18:33.26 | Zeal | just saying you don't realy want it when you understand how everything is aligning, and evne if you still wanted it, it's harder to do as you have to do it multiple times. |
| 18:33.37 | Tekkub | fine bitch I'll give you exact numbers :P |
| 18:33.57 | Tekkub | right now I'm getting 7px on top/bott and 2 on L/R |
| 18:35.52 | Tekkub | heh, opened that in IE, it's hriz spacing is fine... |
| 18:36.04 | Tekkub | but there's no padding to the table |
| 18:36.11 | Tekkub | damnit bobby |
| 18:36.11 | Zeal | inline elements loose a small about of vertical hieght. all elements around them sitll repsect their full height. |
| 18:36.35 | Zeal | so the spacing is the same all around, it just seems like it's not. |
| 18:36.43 | Tekkub | both IE and FF don't look the way I want! |
| 18:36.48 | Zeal | lol |
| 18:37.00 | Tekkub | one sec, this is a funny comparison |
| 18:37.33 | Zeal | Tekkub, take a look at the page again |
| 18:38.20 | Tekkub | okey I'll show you what I see |
| 18:38.41 | Zeal | FF is more dramatic it seems |
| 18:38.46 | Zeal | stupid browser.. |
| 18:39.34 | Tekkub | see that gap between the heading cell background and the border in FF? |
| 18:39.37 | Tekkub | I like that |
| 18:41.04 | Tekkub | but the horiz space between cells in FF is too small, where it's acceptable in IE |
| 18:43.25 | Zeal | ok.. wtf?! |
| 18:43.32 | Zeal | who made CSS DarkTable |
| 18:43.34 | Zeal | neeeeds to be show |
| 18:43.48 | Zeal | it was you, lol |
| 18:44.16 | Tekkub | twas derrived from the neat subzone/faction footers |
| 18:44.32 | Zeal | they probably suck too :P |
| 18:44.41 | Zeal | one sec, gunna do this in my sandbox |
| 18:45.26 | Tekkub | never said I was a CSS expert, I just understand how much better off we'd be if we could make this shit *real* CSS instead of template hax |
| 18:47.16 | Zeal | lol |
| 18:47.22 | Zeal | indeed |
| 18:47.56 | Tekkub | there'd be no need for {{CSS Darktable th}} at all :P |
| 18:48.14 | Tekkub | one bit in the {| line and the whole table gets style |
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| 18:56.06 | Zeal | fuck you w3c, fuck you microsoft, fuck you mozilla |
| 18:56.20 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:KhadgarDarkPortalW2.JPG seriously ffs cant people take screenshots instead of using a cheap camera?! |
| 18:56.23 | Adys | and love you too zeal |
| 18:56.36 | sancus | get a job, hippy |
| 18:57.00 | Tepetkhet | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 18:58.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, that PS3 news I posted earlier has made its way to the BBC - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6390657.stm |
| 18:59.57 | Adys | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/encyclopedia/index.xml you know whats fun? |
| 19:00.23 | Adys | Latest Updates - these are fun |
| 19:00.24 | Tepetkhet | Playing WoW? |
| 19:00.36 | Adys | the encyclopedia NEVER got updated |
| 19:00.51 | Adys | these latest updates are the same ones since it got released |
| 19:00.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Wait, were people complaining that cellpadding and cellspacing don't take alternate units? |
| 19:01.28 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.quackit.com/css/properties/css_padding.cfm |
| 19:02.16 | Tepetkhet | That's weird. |
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| 19:04.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Yup, checked, the definitions for them is that they ONLY take pixels or % |
| 19:05.57 | Tekkub | kirk |
| 19:06.08 | Tekkub | will you make Rustak fix this CSS shit |
| 19:06.21 | Tekkub | I'm about fucking sick of not being able to do shit correctly |
| 19:06.34 | Kirkburn|afk | What do you need? |
| 19:06.58 | Tekkub | the CSS wiki pages to get included into every page... I gave him the code already |
| 19:07.43 | Adys | sancus can do that no? |
| 19:08.32 | Tekkub | kirk http://wowwiki.pastey.net/7104 |
| 19:08.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah, so we can use the pages to edit it? |
| 19:09.04 | Tekkub | YES |
| 19:09.21 | Kirkburn|afk | I didn't know about that! |
| 19:09.42 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, is it a change you can verify with vlad and possibly change, soon? |
| 19:10.03 | Kirkburn|afk | I like the word change. Change. Changeity. |
| 19:10.06 | Tekkub | he gave me a bullshit excuse about performance, but I honestly don't think it'll have an impact |
| 19:10.15 | Kirkburn|afk | I can't see why it would |
| 19:10.22 | Tekkub | we're talk about including one page a lot, which means it's going to be cached |
| 19:10.39 | Tekkub | as opposed to a template use? I don't see how it's any dff |
| 19:10.48 | Tekkub | it still has to grab a page in either case |
| 19:10.55 | Kirkburn|afk | It is something we /really/ need I know |
| 19:11.22 | Kirkburn|afk | He could possibly test it on his 'virtual' setup |
| 19:11.26 | Tekkub | and with real CSS we can apply formats to the th and td all in one style |
| 19:11.32 | Kirkburn|afk | aye |
| 19:11.36 | sancus | I'll poke him about it, but complaining about how bullshit it is and telling kirk to -make- either of us do something isn't going to make it happen any faster. |
| 19:11.40 | Tekkub | instead of a style for every element that the author has to put in |
| 19:12.05 | Tekkub | sancus, We've been trying to get this fixed for a long time now |
| 19:12.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Thanks sancus. Essentially if it possible, it would make ours (and his) lives easier |
| 19:12.13 | Tekkub | I was codial about it at first |
| 19:12.24 | Tekkub | my patience has worn more than thin |
| 19:12.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Since we could sort several problems without bothering him |
| 19:12.25 | Zeal | yeah Kirkburn|afk, i realized that after. figured out ie was using pixels not em |
| 19:12.34 | Zeal | yet another reason why the w3c suck |
| 19:12.46 | Kirkburn|afk | No, blame HTML's development |
| 19:12.56 | sancus | Tekkub: Um, at the end of the day, your patience is pretty much irrelevant. |
| 19:12.58 | Zeal | why? |
| 19:12.59 | Kirkburn|afk | It's not necessarily a wc3 thing |
| 19:13.01 | Zeal | they're in charge of that |
| 19:13.05 | Zeal | yes it is |
| 19:13.17 | Tekkub | as far as I knew, Rustak was the only one that can fix this, and 99% of the time we get 0 feedback from him |
| 19:13.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Parts of HTML developed sporadically on the whims of the IE and Netscape teams |
| 19:13.23 | Zeal | i know |
| 19:13.42 | Zeal | but they've dragged this on through about 5 standards they developed since they took over |
| 19:13.49 | Zeal | so that plays not part in it anymore |
| 19:13.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Odd, I know. I guess there must be a reason. |
| 19:13.59 | sancus | Tekkub: Sure, that's fine, but he has no obligation to give you any feedback |
| 19:14.24 | Zeal | well it's stupid imo. yay, i can'[t increase table size with font-size, my site looks like shit.. |
| 19:14.46 | Tekkub | well I am an admin ya know :P |
| 19:14.52 | sancus | Tekkub: And? |
| 19:15.09 | Kirkburn|afk | So anyway |
| 19:15.31 | Tekkub | and never mind, you don't want to get me started |
| 19:15.35 | sancus | Tekkub: I realize it's frustrating, but inventing ideas of entitlement is just gonna make you more frustrated. |
| 19:15.39 | Tekkub | I've been around with kirk about this |
| 19:15.43 | sancus | just being honest with you |
| 19:15.53 | Kirkburn|afk | You gotta relax around the wiki :) |
| 19:16.19 | Tekkub | it's less entitlement and more a feeling of abandonment |
| 19:16.37 | Tekkub | I understand being busy and all that, or moving on and not being interested |
| 19:16.50 | Tekkub | so pass adminship of the server on to someone who has the time |
| 19:17.03 | Tekkub | which maybe he finally did with you? |
| 19:17.06 | sancus | it's really not that simple |
| 19:17.18 | Kirkburn|afk | The mere thought of who could take it scares me (with good reason) |
| 19:17.23 | sancus | I have root on the server and I can make changes like that(but I won't without mentioning it to him first) |
| 19:17.41 | Tekkub | as far as I was aware, only he had root |
| 19:17.57 | sancus | The number of people he'd trust with that can be counted on one hand, probably |
| 19:18.03 | Tekkub | on wowace, a number of the core devs/admins had root |
| 19:18.16 | Tekkub | one hand worth of root is fine! |
| 19:18.18 | Kirkburn|afk | vlad doesn't know us as well |
| 19:18.20 | sancus | and I'm ... pretty much the only person who cares about the wiki even slightly who's in that list |
| 19:18.29 | Tekkub | one finger that's really busy ain't :P |
| 19:18.41 | Tekkub | taht's my point right there |
| 19:18.58 | Kirkburn|afk | I wouldn't trust me with root :) |
| 19:19.01 | Tekkub | if you don't care, pass it on to someone that does and wipe your hands of it for good |
| 19:20.41 | Tekkub | otherwise make kirk or mikk get a new host and dump the wiki for them |
| 19:20.41 | Kirkburn|afk | It's really not that simple, sancus is right |
| 19:20.41 | Tekkub | so that we can continue on and fix shit in a timely manner |
| 19:20.41 | sancus | You really don't understand how absurdly unrealistic that is, do you? :P |
| 19:20.41 | Tekkub | well make it simple! :) |
| 19:20.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Simple would be find ourselves with new owners we hate |
| 19:20.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Rather than nice owners who we just don't see that often |
| 19:20.41 | Tekkub | having an active interested root admin is unrealistic? |
| 19:20.51 | sancus | No, handing the ownership of the wiki to someone else is unrealistic |
| 19:21.04 | Tekkub | whyso? |
| 19:21.11 | Tekkub | if you're not interested anymore |
| 19:21.20 | sancus | because it's worth a lot that's why |
| 19:22.32 | Tekkub | imagine the worth if we could get the things done that need root access.. like this CSS stuff and the WDB import and javascript item tooltips we've been wanting to do? |
| 19:23.10 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, FF2, almost always :) |
| 19:23.11 | Zeal | *deciding |
| 19:23.25 | sancus | like I said, I'll bring stuff up, but I'm somewhat new and have been even more busy than vlad the last couple of weeks |
| 19:23.38 | Tekkub | well thanks for that :) |
| 19:23.45 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, if you set styling for padding on a table element. does that create padding inside the table element, or apply it to all cells? |
| 19:23.47 | Kirkburn|afk | We appreciate it sancus |
| 19:23.52 | Zeal | FF does the former, IE the latter |
| 19:23.55 | Tekkub | the CSS fix is a simple change |
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| 19:24.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, not entirely sure what you mean |
| 19:24.15 | Tekkub | he stated performance issues, but I kinda don't think it was a valid argument |
| 19:24.30 | Tekkub | as I said, the CSS page would get cached, and reused a ton |
| 19:24.50 | Tekkub | right now it's just including in a template page, how can that be any different on performance? |
| 19:24.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah I think I see now, Zeal |
| 19:25.05 | Tekkub | edits would impact, yes, but we know all about that |
| 19:25.09 | Kirkburn|afk | It should only affect the table |
| 19:25.12 | Tekkub | as a template edit would |
| 19:25.46 | Zeal | <table style="padding: 500px"><tr><td></td></tr></table> where does the padding get applied? the table (so all cells are 500px away from the edge of the table) or passed down to the td (so all contents of cells are 500px away from the edge of the cells) ? |
| 19:26.00 | Kirkburn|afk | (I should note, editing the Mediawiki:Sidebar which is used on all pages has absolutely no effect on wiki performance, no slowdown or anything) |
| 19:26.20 | Zeal | yeah, i'm fairly sure they use some slower sort of caching |
| 19:26.25 | Zeal | well not even that |
| 19:27.13 | Zeal | with templates, all pages they're used in have to be recached. with things like the css and sidebar, only that page is recached by the server. not the pages it appears on, that's handled client side. |
| 19:28.14 | Zeal | it has about ac much performance impact as editing a template no one uses :p |
| 19:28.18 | Zeal | *as |
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| 19:32.47 | Zeal | well FF applies row styling to the table element |
| 19:32.52 | Zeal | so that's definitely wrong |
| 19:33.18 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 19:33.27 | Zeal | oh wait, i left border-spacing on |
| 19:33.47 | Kirkburn|afk | noob |
| 19:34.00 | Zeal | :p |
| 19:36.52 | Zeal | styling on a row doesn't do anything in FF |
| 19:37.01 | Zeal | IE still applies it to cells |
| 19:37.04 | Zeal | in that row |
| 19:38.05 | Zeal | wb :p |
| 19:38.11 | Adys | dingdingding |
| 19:53.25 | Adys | need an advice |
| 19:53.27 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/images/archive/a/a7/20070223195303%21Fandral2.jpg |
| 19:53.31 | Adys | or http://www.wowwiki.com/images/a/a7/Fandral2.jpg? |
| 19:54.45 | nemppu | former |
| 19:56.17 | Zeal | latter |
| 19:56.19 | Adys | anyone else?:p |
| 19:56.27 | Adys | lol |
| 19:56.40 | Adys | its for use on http://www.wowwiki.com/Fandral_Staghelm |
| 19:56.46 | Zeal | simply because we're not looking for mobs to strike a pose, just to stand there and look normal :P |
| 19:57.23 | Adys | i prefer the latter too |
| 19:57.26 | Zeal | however, if you did it in model viewer, nicely cut it out into a png with a funky pose, then sure :p |
| 19:57.29 | Adys | because the first one looks just gay |
| 19:57.43 | Adys | Nah zeal |
| 19:57.46 | nemppu | oh |
| 19:57.47 | Adys | check Lady Vashj talk |
| 19:57.51 | nemppu | i thought that was some personal pic |
| 19:57.52 | nemppu | for personal thingies |
| 19:57.57 | nemppu | definitely latter if its for a wiki entry |
| 19:58.05 | Adys | ok ill delete the first one |
| 19:58.09 | Adys | we agreed that unique mobs should be in their environment |
| 19:58.15 | Adys | unique mobs/npcs that is |
| 19:58.28 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/images/archive/a/a7/20070223195232%21Fandral2.jpg was the old one :| |
| 19:59.53 | Adys | anyways deleted both |
| 20:04.52 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Valstann_Staghelm ??? |
| 20:06.48 | Fin | I don't have one, but if you try it out can you take a shot and stick it somewhere, please? |
| 20:06.55 | Fin | first one of the day! free! |
| 20:07.14 | Adys | hello fin :) |
| 20:08.04 | Adys | Aaaaahh okay I understand better now |
| 20:08.05 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/images/archive/4/49/20061209201300%21Valstann.jpg |
| 20:08.12 | Adys | i think its a pic blizzard provided no? |
| 20:10.36 | Zeal | i've read it before Adys |
| 20:10.41 | Zeal | i don't agrre :p |
| 20:10.50 | Adys | hm? |
| 20:11.03 | Zeal | about vashj |
| 20:11.10 | Adys | ah |
| 20:17.14 | Adys | zeal, do you know how it would be possible to get a png of every in game map reconstructed from the game blps? |
| 20:17.25 | Tepetkhet | That's really icky-looking. |
| 20:18.06 | Zeal | could do it manually, or you could wait for me to figure out the tiling in the dbc's and thne i'll have something better to go on :p |
| 20:18.17 | Zeal | or, someone could write an app to do it for you.. |
| 20:18.32 | Adys | I tried to do it manually >< |
| 20:18.38 | Zeal | oh? |
| 20:18.38 | Adys | well i actually did it manually |
| 20:18.42 | Adys | during the beta |
| 20:18.54 | Adys | until they added the sub-maps |
| 20:19.03 | Adys | the subzone parts of the map etc |
| 20:19.11 | Adys | and at this point its impossible to have accurate work manually |
| 20:19.17 | Zeal | fukc you ff and you inconsistant font sizing.. |
| 20:19.21 | Zeal | *your |
| 20:19.36 | Zeal | you sure? shouldn't be too hard |
| 20:19.45 | Zeal | just need to know what you're looking at |
| 20:20.13 | Adys | well the thing is |
| 20:20.18 | Adys | on normal maps, like the city ones |
| 20:20.40 | Adys | you have i believe 8 256x256 files |
| 20:20.47 | Adys | two lines of 4 |
| 20:21.00 | Zeal | yuup |
| 20:21.02 | Zeal | makes sense |
| 20:21.03 | Adys | the last line and row are transparent |
| 20:21.09 | Adys | half transparent in fact |
| 20:21.17 | Zeal | discovery overlays? |
| 20:21.30 | Adys | hm how to say that |
| 20:22.00 | Adys | well for example during the beta you had only the 8 files |
| 20:22.15 | Adys | and you had, discovered or not, the full map revealed |
| 20:22.22 | Adys | and later on they added subzone specific files |
| 20:22.32 | Adys | check up the mpqs and you"ll understand very quickly |
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| 20:22.48 | Adys | or actually i think i have a fair bit on my ftp |
| 20:23.10 | Adys | http://adys.stools.net/Metamaps/ |
| 20:23.26 | Adys | http://adys.stools.net/Metamaps/Complete/ |
| 20:23.47 | Adys | thats all the ones i managed to reconstruct |
| 20:24.06 | Adys | but as soon as the submaps appeared its no longer possible to do accurate work manually |
| 20:24.34 | Teomyr | you could have a look at http://tixu.scribe.free.fr/ |
| 20:24.42 | Teomyr | maybe that is what you need |
| 20:24.51 | Adys | I know it yes |
| 20:25.21 | Adys | its not what i want |
| 20:25.30 | Adys | i need a map generator, not a minimap generator |
| 20:25.38 | Zeal | finally! |
| 20:25.42 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox#Table_styling |
| 20:25.46 | Zeal | Tekkub, hows that? |
| 20:25.49 | Zeal | lol |
| 20:26.00 | Zeal | ph33r the amount of styling required |
| 20:26.07 | Zeal | inline css ftl |
| 20:26.15 | Tekkub | gah |
| 20:26.18 | Adys | lol |
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| 20:26.30 | Bombrik | Afternoon everyone |
| 20:26.31 | Tekkub | too small padding around the outside of cells |
| 20:26.46 | Bombrik | I have a question, hoping someone can field it. |
| 20:26.55 | Zeal | because i don't want padding round the outside of the cells.. |
| 20:26.55 | Tekkub | and yea, I'm trying to avoid per-cell styling here |
| 20:27.02 | Adys | alo Bombrik |
| 20:27.05 | Zeal | that looks fricking ugly when you have padding around the cells.. |
| 20:27.13 | Zeal | *spacing >_< |
| 20:27.20 | Bombrik | I have noticed Templates like WoWbox (Also called Infobox) and I was wondering where you can get a template/extension like that. |
| 20:27.21 | Zeal | lo Bombrik |
| 20:27.49 | Zeal | er.. they're templates. if you want them. c&p |
| 20:28.05 | Zeal | want to use thme on wowwiki {{<temapltename>}} |
| 20:28.15 | Bombrik | I have tried that, into a fresh new Wikimedia install..but it doesn't really seem to function as intended. |
| 20:28.15 | Zeal | *template |
| 20:28.24 | Zeal | :s |
| 20:28.32 | Bombrik | So I assumed they were like downloadable extensions you needed to install, like Google Adsense |
| 20:28.34 | Zeal | no idea the, should be rather simple |
| 20:28.41 | Zeal | nope, they're not |
| 20:28.49 | Zeal | *then |
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| 20:28.56 | Bombrik | Alright, thanks for your time then. Could just be a version conflict. |
| 20:29.18 | Zeal | possibly yeah |
| 20:29.37 | Teomyr | make sure to check that the template includes everything you need. it might include other templates or use css definitions not present in your wiki |
| 20:29.40 | Adys | or maybe wowwiki's css is too 1337 for j00 |
| 20:29.46 | Adys | sry |
| 20:29.52 | Adys | bit tired>< |
| 20:30.00 | Fin | aloha! |
| 20:30.02 | Bombrik | Alright, thanks Teomyr. That helps. :) |
| 20:30.05 | Adys | Fin :D |
| 20:30.10 | Zeal | cell spacing is the most backwards idea ever imo. at most, all you'll ever want is a 1px spacing. anytthing else and the table just looks retarded |
| 20:30.56 | Fin | so! how are we all today, fresh and peachy I hope! |
| 20:31.01 | Zeal | i was gunna say that Teomyr, but i gave the benefit of the doubt, that someone who managed to install mediawiki knew to do that already ;) |
| 20:31.07 | Adys | peach? sorry Im french |
| 20:31.08 | Adys | ;) |
| 20:31.24 | Zeal | fin, we are now you're here ;) |
| 20:31.38 | Fin | too kind sir, too kind |
| 20:31.40 | Adys | Zeal speaks the truth :D |
| 20:31.51 | Adys | ~finsnack |
| 20:31.54 | Zeal | lol |
| 20:31.59 | Adys | we need one tbh |
| 20:32.06 | Tepetkhet | I'm sore and tired... |
| 20:32.11 | Fin | peachY, Adys: a bit sweet, a bit firm, juicy, and nice with ice cream |
| 20:32.12 | Zeal | ~finsicle |
| 20:32.16 | Tepetkhet | But at least I have new forum icons. |
| 20:32.25 | *** part/#wowwiki Bombrik (i=Imperia@host-216-79-254-248.jan.bellsouth.net) |
| 20:32.37 | Tepetkhet | Fin: I was thinking soft and fuzzy on the outside, but with a heart of stone... |
| 20:32.41 | Zeal | i don't like peaches :P |
| 20:32.43 | Adys | hmmm |
| 20:32.50 | Zeal | rofl Tepetkhet |
| 20:33.12 | Fin | Tepetkhet: it's only stone once you've eaten your way through that delicious juicy flesh, with your mouth all sticky and stuff at the end |
| 20:34.01 | Fin | Tepetkhet: and you know, it's horrible but actually! planting peach stones and watching little green shoots appear is very much like being in a chick flick |
| 20:34.11 | Adys | So how are YOU fin?! |
| 20:34.12 | Fin | as in, sickeningly nice |
| 20:34.16 | Adys | I want to know :) |
| 20:34.28 | Zeal | melon (not water, ick), apples, bannanas, pears, lemons, limes, passion fruit, grapes, mango to some extend.. rasberry, strawberry, blackberry, blackcurrent.. er |
| 20:34.41 | Fin | I'm not bad! it's, *ahem* *** F R I IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII D A Y ! *** - so pretty good |
| 20:34.53 | Adys | hmmm |
| 20:36.55 | Adys | damnit, how do I learn infobot an order now.. |
| 20:37.00 | Adys | teach* |
| 20:37.05 | Adys | Bah! |
| 20:37.27 | Adys | got it :) |
| 20:37.28 | Fin | action? |
| 20:37.39 | Fin | something is <action> emote |
| 20:37.43 | Fin | I think? |
| 20:37.48 | Tepetkhet | uh |
| 20:37.51 | Tepetkhet | wow |
| 20:37.53 | Fin | /msg infobot help |
| 20:42.32 | Adys | ~finsnack |
| 20:42.33 | infobot | ACTION gives Fin 3 kisses, 5 hugs and dozens of chocolate perfumed cookies! |
| 20:42.37 | Adys | good |
| 20:49.14 | Fin | it's like being mugged by a gang of french pixies |
| 20:49.24 | Adys | :) |
| 21:01.08 | Adys | right |
| 21:01.09 | Adys | off to bed |
| 21:01.15 | Adys | waking up WAAY too early tomorrow |
| 21:01.39 | Adys | Ill try and get myself an irc client once in athens =) bubaii |
| 21:03.38 | Fin | one .lua, one .toc, one .xml... |
| 21:07.51 | Kirkburn|afk | If you want to teach infobot something, do it in PMs so it can be a surprise :P |
| 21:08.17 | Kirkburn|afk | ~coconuts |
| 21:08.19 | infobot | I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts, there they are all standing in a row. Big ones, small ones, some as big as your head, give them a twist, a flick of the wrist, that's what the showman said! |
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| 21:21.23 | Tekkub | Your challenge is to write crossover fanfiction combining The Bible and L. Ron Hubbard/Scientology . The story should use a haunted house as a plot device! |
| 21:27.22 | Fin | it was one of my favourite pastimes when I first joined the channel, until Adys figured it out |
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| 21:31.12 | Zeal | lol |
| 21:32.11 | Zeal | Teomyr, you about? |
| 21:32.36 | winkiller | hm, 21 critical strike rating versus 48 AP |
| 21:32.43 | winkiller | anyone can compare that (for rogues) |
| 21:35.11 | Fin | get RatingsBuster |
| 21:35.16 | Zeal | well, you'd probably need to say you level too :p |
| 21:35.20 | Fin | or RatingsKiller or whatever it's called... |
| 21:35.31 | Zeal | *your |
| 21:35.31 | Fin | it's in the Updated files section of WoWi |
| 21:39.54 | Teomyr | zeal, yep, i'm here |
| 21:40.23 | Zeal | fancy helping me with more dbc stuff? ;) |
| 21:41.02 | Zeal | might have cracked the one i was having trouble with now. heh |
| 21:41.37 | Tepetkhet | Well, crap. |
| 21:41.40 | Zeal | now *(not the one from yesterday :P) |
| 21:41.41 | Tepetkhet | My boss is MIA again. |
| 21:41.45 | Zeal | lol |
| 21:41.48 | Tepetkhet | Which can be good... |
| 21:42.00 | Tepetkhet | Except that today is payday and we do not have direct deposit. |
| 21:42.10 | Teomyr | zeal, of course :) |
| 21:43.36 | Zeal | http://www.sourcepeek.com/wiki/Faction.dbc trying to figure out thise one |
| 21:43.48 | Zeal | theres a crap load of patterns forming, just trying to make sense of them. |
| 21:45.06 | bleetah | zeal: I'm sure some of the code at http://norganna.org/svn/watcher/uploader/src/ would help you understand those files ;) |
| 21:45.25 | Zeal | atm, i think i just cracked the reputation stuff. It's Base Reputation (from neutral), Modifier 1 (positive outcome of a condition, eg. Choose Aldor - Yes), Modifier 2 (Outcome 2 of a condition, eg. Choose Aldor - No), not sure on the next column. |
| 21:45.34 | bleetah | maybe not that one specifically, but some of them anyways |
| 21:45.47 | bleetah | (if you're still looking at the cache stuff) |
| 21:46.41 | Zeal | nah, cos that thing is rather generic |
| 21:47.00 | Zeal | quick glance over it there's nothing specific to definie what everything is. |
| 21:47.18 | Zeal | and even if i have missed it, i don't want to go fishing through code :P |
| 21:47.47 | bleetah | pardon me for trying to help |
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| 21:49.00 | Zeal | erm.. ok |
| 21:49.02 | Tepetkhet | Almost as touchy as I am. |
| 21:49.06 | Zeal | lol |
| 21:49.23 | Tepetkhet | 11 minutes left in my work day and still no boss (or paycheck). |
| 21:49.25 | Zeal | anyways.. the next column is indeed a third modifier |
| 21:50.01 | Teomyr | can't figure it out, doesn't make much sense to me either :/ |
| 21:51.28 | Zeal | Modifier 1 for example will reduce the selected factions by the amount given. eg. Go alliance, all horde factions receive -42000 |
| 21:51.28 | Zeal | which puts them at hated |
| 21:51.28 | Zeal | modifier 2 is the secondary level for player factions. eg. belf would lower orc, troll, tauren factions, but raise undead and belf factions |
| 21:51.28 | Teomyr | makes sense |
| 21:51.34 | Zeal | and modifer 3 is the opposite to thhat one |
| 21:51.52 | Tepetkhet | Subject: Universal Hooker - Tool release |
| 21:51.55 | Tepetkhet | *rofl* |
| 21:51.55 | Teomyr | btw, my dbc viewer is making progress: http://vs157092.vserver.de/wow/mapdbc.jpg |
| 21:51.55 | Zeal | aldor and scyer for example operate on an modifier 1 and 2 |
| 21:52.05 | Tepetkhet | Would you believe that e-mail is actually NOT spam? |
| 21:52.19 | Tepetkhet | Or pr0n? |
| 21:52.30 | Zeal | interesting, looking good. |
| 21:52.44 | Zeal | lol Tepetkhet |
| 21:53.09 | Zeal | not sure i liek the window in window inteface. never been an fan of those :P |
| 21:53.13 | Zeal | but can live with it. |
| 21:53.34 | Teomyr | well, you can maximize it ofc ;) |
| 21:54.49 | Tepetkhet | Today's Friday, right? |
| 21:54.54 | Tepetkhet | And not a holiday in the US? |
| 21:56.36 | Teomyr | almost saturday here ;) |
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| 21:59.52 | Tepetkhet | I called his cell phone... |
| 22:00.17 | Tepetkhet | "Oh. Paying people's the last thing on my mind right now. Uh...I dodn't see a time sheet from you?" |
| 22:00.36 | Tepetkhet | Well, working's about the last thing on my mind right now. |
| 22:00.37 | Tepetkhet | So... |
| 22:12.32 | Zeal | :( |
| 22:19.59 | Zeal | funky, blackheart the inciter encounter puts you into different factions temporarily :P |
| 22:25.14 | Teomyr | there are many things that do that |
| 22:25.26 | Teomyr | like corrupted ashbringer |
| 22:26.06 | Teomyr | or a quest in the quest series about Taelan Fordring |
| 22:28.35 | Zeal | well this is the onyl faction that had a description for it :p |
| 22:28.41 | Zeal | theres also a test faction, heh. |
| 22:29.17 | Zeal | yeah, i see the ogre suit one, heh |
| 22:32.49 | Teomyr | ogre suit ftw! |
| 22:33.12 | Teomyr | finally, my level 65 rogue can solo the mobs around the ogre tannin basket \o/ |
| 22:33.25 | Zeal | rofl |
| 22:39.31 | Teomyr | its so funny if you stand in if, with an ogre suit, winterfall firewater, elixir of giant growth and the halloween growth buff :P |
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| 22:52.01 | Zeal | lol |
| 23:44.21 | Zeal | anyone know if there is a limit to the number of battlegrounds that can run per battlegroup? |
| 23:46.42 | Shadowed | Zeal: As in? |
| 23:46.52 | Shadowed | is there a limit where it will stop creating battlefields? |
| 23:47.31 | Zeal | yeah, liek when you see in an npc's window, the current battlgrounds listed, usually with a number. what's the highest you've seen? |
| 23:47.55 | Zeal | i'm fiarly sure i've only ever seen 3 |
| 23:48.00 | Zeal | but can't be 100% |
| 23:48.06 | Shadowed | wait wait |
| 23:48.18 | Shadowed | Are you trying to find out the maximum number of arenas/battlegrounds a person can be queued for at one time? |
| 23:48.39 | Zeal | no, the maximum amount of battlegrounds, per battleground, can run at once. |
| 23:48.41 | Shadowed | or are you trying to find out the maximum number of battlefield instances that the server can have up and running at one time |
| 23:49.02 | Shadowed | I've seen numbers in the 70s and 90s before, and i've been pvping since they were interduced. As far as I know theres no limit |
| 23:49.10 | Zeal | O_o |
| 23:49.15 | Zeal | 70's and 90's !??! |
| 23:49.17 | Shadowed | it's just the server would probably become unstable and either crash or slow down |
| 23:49.18 | Zeal | wtf |
| 23:49.39 | Zeal | i've never seen more than 3.. |
| 23:49.45 | Shadowed | Zeal you're being confusing |
| 23:49.48 | Zeal | how do you get 70 and 90? |
| 23:50.01 | Shadowed | You can be in QUEUE for up to 3 battlefields or arenas at the same time |
| 23:50.10 | Zeal | not talking about ques |
| 23:50.17 | Zeal | that was clear |
| 23:50.33 | Zeal | possibly what i didn't make clear, is that i'm talking per battleground. |
| 23:50.38 | Shadowed | right |
| 23:50.42 | Zeal | eg. 3 AV's at once. |
| 23:50.51 | Shadowed | how many instances can the server support per a battleground per a battlegroup |
| 23:51.01 | Zeal | yes.. |
| 23:51.14 | Shadowed | AV requires a lot more people and not many people like it so you wont see more then 1-4 up at one time |
| 23:51.20 | Shadowed | and since arenas came out a lot of people are doing those |
| 23:51.25 | Zeal | well any instanace.. |
| 23:51.52 | Shadowed | Yes i've seen more then 3 WSG/AB/Arenas up at one time, it happens a lot |
| 23:52.02 | Zeal | hm, kk |
| 23:52.25 | Zeal | just i got a column list 3 for all BG's and 4 for arenas, was wondering if it was a hard coded limit. |
| 23:52.33 | Zeal | *listing |
| 23:53.03 | Shadowed | nope |
| 23:53.15 | Zeal | back to my theory that it simply is a type reference.. heh. |
| 23:54.36 | Teomyr | 3 battleground at once? never! |
| 23:54.40 | Zeal | also gotta figure out why they are all excepted WSG, which is lsited as 0, are listed as 1 in another column. can't think of anything it could apply to :S |
| 23:54.56 | Zeal | *except |
| 23:55.05 | Zeal | *-are |
| 23:55.14 | Teomyr | "You are now eligible to enter Warsong Gulch 46, choose an option..." |
| 23:55.23 | Zeal | .. |
| 23:55.25 | Shadowed | Zeal: wha? |
| 23:55.52 | Zeal | i'm trying to figure out the dbc files Shadowed, nvm. |
| 23:56.13 | Zeal | just saying i can' think of anything that makes WSG different from the rest, yet the rest all the same. |
