| 00:00.54 | Zeal | stupid server.. |
| 00:03.09 | Sky2042 | lol |
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| 00:18.18 | Zeal | ok.. guess it's time for me to work my magic on the bloodhoof (eu) article.. |
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| 00:31.06 | Zeal | oh ffs.. |
| 00:31.24 | Zeal | stop using bloody tables for nav's and lists.. they don't work! >_< |
| 00:31.45 | Zeal | all the bg templates need to be replaced.. *sighs* |
| 00:32.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Film/bedtime |
| 00:32.40 | Zeal | :( |
| 00:32.45 | Zeal | nn Kirkburn|afk |
| 00:32.51 | Kirkburn|afk | What's wrong with tables? |
| 00:33.29 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 00:33.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyway, g'night Zeal |
| 00:33.34 | Zeal | i don't know why exactly, but they do not align horizontally correctly |
| 00:33.55 | Kirkburn|afk | See you in the morning, I bet |
| 00:34.20 | Zeal | floats along side them = table over laps. put them inside a float = they overflow out of their containers. |
| 00:34.40 | Zeal | not sure it;s tables exactly, jsut whoever made all the table based templates did them poorly |
| 00:41.52 | Zeal | i suspect it's because someone put margins/padding/borders on the same element as the width.. but that still doesn't make sense why parent containers and other elements see them as being smaller than they are/misaligned. |
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| 01:55.25 | Zeal | nn all |
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| 02:23.32 | Montagg | Ragestorm... I salute you. |
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| 02:27.51 | Montagg | Hobinheim: We need someone to officially lead and recruit Engineers to work on templates. The site's really suffering. |
| 02:45.42 | Hobinheim | ruh roh |
| 02:45.45 | Hobinheim | tekkub isn't up for it? |
| 02:45.50 | Hobinheim | link/ |
| 02:47.23 | Montagg | Tekkub: You interested? |
| 02:47.39 | Deathface | Any hunters in the house |
| 02:47.39 | Deathface | ? |
| 02:47.43 | Tekkub | in what bear sex? |
| 02:47.52 | Tekkub | *actually reads comments* |
| 02:48.05 | Hobinheim | naughty Tekkub... |
| 02:48.32 | Fin | Tekkub: how comes Dongle isn't available for download anymore from code.google? |
| 02:48.36 | Fin | oops, wrong channel |
| 02:48.39 | Fin | but hey! it works anyway! |
| 02:48.54 | Tekkub | who said it wasn't |
| 02:48.55 | Fin | -oops wrong channel+golly I nearly typed that into the wrong channel, good thing I noticed at the last moment |
| 02:49.06 | Hobinheim|afk | well, since i do have a passion for consistency... |
| 02:49.07 | Fin | OK, I guess I just can't find it |
| 02:49.16 | Hobinheim|afk | montagg, i'll take you up on your request, but i'm trying to read up more on it |
| 02:49.26 | Hobinheim|afk | i don't even remember what team i said i'd head on kirk's proposal |
| 02:49.28 | Hobinheim|afk | which i don' tknow where is |
| 02:49.31 | cladhaire | Fin: You have to get it from teh SVn |
| 02:49.35 | Fin | Tekkub: it's not on here: http://code.google.com/p/tekkub-wow/downloads/list |
| 02:49.40 | Fin | cladhaire: ahaaa |
| 02:49.42 | cladhaire | and it won't ever be posted as a zip on the google code page |
| 02:49.47 | cladhaire | it'll be on wowinterface |
| 02:49.50 | cladhaire | and that's it really =) |
| 02:49.59 | Fin | this... "SVN", I have heard of it. intriguing. |
| 02:50.13 | Fin | I only expected it to be there because lots of other mods are |
| 02:50.20 | Fin | thanks for the pointer! |
| 02:50.26 | Tekkub | wrong project fin |
| 02:50.45 | Montagg | Hobinheim|afk: I don't care who leads it, as long as they're not an idiot and are passionate about it. We really just need someone to recruit others and get a team giving the site attention. |
| 02:50.55 | Hobinheim|afk | hmm |
| 02:50.57 | Fin | ah! actually yeah I did figure that out, found the Dongle project, and it wasn't on the downloads page there either |
| 02:50.57 | cladhaire | Fin, hop in #dongle if you want to talk about dongle, so we don't bother anyone else here =) |
| 02:51.01 | Hobinheim|afk | sure |
| 02:51.02 | Montagg | I've asked Zeal, but he's not too excited about the idea. |
| 02:51.07 | Hobinheim|afk | lol really |
| 02:51.13 | Fin | cladhaire: will do; apologies #WoWWiki |
| 02:51.18 | Montagg | He'd love to be a part of it, he just doesn't want to lead it. |
| 02:51.18 | cladhaire | ;-) |
| 02:51.19 | Hobinheim|afk | the teams seem to have changed since my last look |
| 02:51.20 | Hobinheim|afk | so... |
| 02:51.26 | Hobinheim|afk | i guess template is where i wanted to be originally |
| 02:51.51 | Tekkub | so now what did you want from me? |
| 02:51.54 | Montagg | You want to be in charge? Or do you want to fight Tekkub for it? |
| 02:51.55 | Fin | and so early in the day |
| 02:52.10 | Hobinheim|afk | i'll fight Tekkub either way >_> |
| 02:52.22 | Hobinheim|afk | no yeah i'll do it |
| 02:52.28 | Montagg | Tekkub: We need someone to head up the Engineer team to work on templates so we can actually *get* a team together to start work on them. |
| 02:52.39 | Hobinheim|afk | the dev article as it stands now that's the only group i'd really really wanna be in |
| 02:52.54 | Tekkub | hrm... |
| 02:52.56 | Montagg | Hobinheim|afk: Check with Kirkburn first, but it should be good. |
| 02:53.02 | Tekkub | templates for what exactly? :) |
| 02:53.13 | Tekkub | and we need some goddamn CSS goodness too |
| 02:53.23 | Tekkub | but sure why not |
| 02:53.29 | Hobinheim|afk | yeah the template team will make the most sense when we have css access |
| 02:53.32 | Tekkub | if it gives me power over Zeal |
| 02:53.34 | Hobinheim|afk | hacks and template jutsu can only go so far |
| 02:53.45 | Hobinheim|afk | wait so are we in contention for the position? |
| 02:54.02 | Montagg | Mostly we need templates to be simplified so the site doesn't have as much strain, then when the site is upgraded the team can make our templates better. |
| 02:54.04 | Tekkub | well if we do it right *points at {{CSS Darktable}} the transition will be bot-able |
| 02:54.23 | Tekkub | strian eh... |
| 02:54.31 | Hobinheim|afk | Tekkub, i agree completely |
| 02:54.45 | Montagg | Hobinheim|afk: I'd like to make sure people who are interested know about it, then decide. |
| 02:54.47 | Tekkub | what we should do is depriciate templathat suck and create whole new ones and work them in over time I'd say |
| 02:55.03 | Hobinheim|afk | or just overwrite them with abandon! |
| 02:55.17 | Tekkub | instead of outright rewrite the existing ones, creating mass updates and breaking the server even more |
| 02:55.35 | Hobinheim|afk | Tekkub, yes htat would be the ideal solution. i've thought about that many a time |
| 02:55.46 | Hobinheim|afk | so should we edit the dev page to show our interest? |
| 02:55.48 | Hobinheim|afk | Hob or Tek? |
| 02:55.48 | Montagg | I suggested we simplify them, even if we break them in doing so, so that editing can actually continue, because we're losing editorship as a result. |
| 02:55.57 | Tekkub | nah, add a category into the template so every page using it is taged with say, [[Category:using depriciated templates]] |
| 02:55.58 | Montagg | But we still don't have people to go about doing that. |
| 02:56.07 | Tekkub | *Pages using |
| 02:56.27 | Hobinheim|afk | uhh. anyway. i'm tagging that page. h-b and/or Tek |
| 02:56.47 | Tekkub | hob and I can share leadership I think |
| 02:56.53 | Tekkub | we're both interested |
| 02:56.58 | Tekkub | and I'm a lazy bitch |
| 02:57.02 | Hobinheim|afk | conflicts can be settled with a deathmatch |
| 02:57.05 | Hobinheim|afk | rasslin' |
| 02:57.24 | Tekkub | crisco wrasslin? |
| 02:57.32 | Hobinheim|afk | no other way, son! |
| 02:57.43 | Tekkub | example of a simplification I'd like to see: |
| 02:57.43 | Tekkub | http://www.wowwiki.com/Sporeggar |
| 02:57.44 | Hobinheim|afk | i will conceed that Tekkub is a greater template tactician than i |
| 02:57.55 | Hobinheim|afk | ugh wtf is that |
| 02:58.01 | Tekkub | current rep listing pages on factions blow big floppy tauren dick |
| 02:58.13 | Hobinheim|afk | lol |
| 02:58.23 | Hobinheim|afk | k i'm gonna skip on snarking that |
| 02:59.29 | Hobinheim|afk | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=WoWWiki_talk:Community_teams my latest comment at the bottom |
| 02:59.31 | Tekkub | anyway, that's me condensing the mob and repeat quests into a kinda timeline view |
| 02:59.45 | Tekkub | I think it's a shitload easier to read, and takes up a ton less space |
| 03:00.26 | Hobinheim|afk | i still want to make a WDB portal |
| 03:00.37 | Hobinheim|afk | i feel dumb that we can't be like other sites and make win32 uploaders |
| 03:00.44 | Hobinheim|afk | i mean, i've never done local app development |
| 03:00.50 | Hobinheim|afk | and i'm being slow cuz i wanna do this in php =( |
| 03:01.03 | Hobinheim|afk | anyway, more stuff on the backburner |
| 03:01.14 | Montagg | Yeah. First, let's get the site working every time I push Preview. |
| 03:01.17 | Hobinheim|afk | anyway, i'll be out and about tonight. playing on my lock alt. feel free to tag or message me |
| 03:01.31 | Hobinheim|afk | Montagg, I agree wholeheartedly. that's been keeping me away slightly. that and work |
| 03:01.51 | Tekkub | yes we need WDB+javascript to drop the transcludes |
| 03:02.03 | Tekkub | but the big holdup to all this shit is Rustak |
| 03:02.07 | Tekkub | *growl* |
| 03:02.42 | Montagg | I want the site to work on a basic level without the flashiness first, though. Then, when we have the technology... we can rebuild it. |
| 03:03.31 | Tekkub | yes, exactly |
| 03:03.55 | Tekkub | the basic shit, editing and CSS, the DEFAULT functionality of Mediawiki, needs to work |
| 03:04.13 | Tekkub | that's the first step, second is the WDB/javascript majicks |
| 03:04.18 | Hobinheim|afk | javascript wdbs? |
| 03:04.25 | Hobinheim|afk | i'm lost |
| 03:04.30 | Hobinheim|afk | how do they interact? |
| 03:04.41 | Tekkub | hover tooltips |
| 03:04.46 | Hobinheim|afk | i'm very weary of making javascript a layer of dependency besides UI enhancement |
| 03:04.52 | Hobinheim|afk | oh shit that would be tiiiiiiiight |
| 03:04.54 | Fin | JS generated from the WDBs? |
| 03:04.58 | Hobinheim|afk | good call good call... |
| 03:05.11 | Tekkub | no not generated, but a simple template... |
| 03:05.12 | Hobinheim|afk | tooltips would be stupid nasty. i like it |
| 03:05.21 | Tekkub | {{Item|Big Bear Meat}} |
| 03:05.23 | Tekkub | or whatever |
| 03:05.31 | Tekkub | where's that test wiki we had this on? |
| 03:06.23 | Fin | http://simonveith.de/wowwikitest/ |
| 03:06.49 | Tekkub | that's it |
| 03:06.50 | Fin | nono |
| 03:06.55 | Fin | -nono |
| 03:07.09 | bleetah | for Kirkburn|afk: I know why his nVida is causing probs on vista -> http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=863 |
| 03:10.17 | Fin | hey, I was just useful! haha, I knew it |
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| 04:41.08 | Sky2042 | ok, question about a user contributions: should these be moved to user subpages? http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Whirlygig |
| 04:41.49 | Sky2042 | the ones he's created and begun maintaining, anyway... |
| 05:02.29 | Hobinheim|afk | that's... suspect |
| 05:04.05 | Sky2042 | it isn't malevolent behavior, but most of it is missing citations, leading myself to believe a lot of it is made up... |
| 05:04.12 | Hobinheim|afk | thanks for bringing it up |
| 05:04.14 | Hobinheim|afk | yeah |
| 05:04.19 | Hobinheim|afk | seems to be like 90% user created |
| 05:04.27 | Hobinheim|afk | the only reason i'm not doing anythingab out it now is cuz i'm tired =( |
| 05:04.30 | Hobinheim|afk | but duly noted, thank you |
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| 05:19.08 | Montagg | This Deep Covenant page is just a copy of the Naga page. |
| 05:20.17 | Montagg | I would suggest deleting it. It's spam. |
| 05:20.52 | Montagg | The Emerald Dream rumor should probably go on his user page, though. |
| 05:21.16 | Sky2042 | mmmk |
| 05:21.31 | Sky2042 | hmm |
| 05:22.01 | Montagg | Wow. These are extensive. |
| 05:22.18 | Sky2042 | yes |
| 05:22.23 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 05:22.40 | Sky2042 | am i redirecting correct with this: #REDIRECT [[Two-handed]] |
| 05:22.45 | Sky2042 | ? |
| 05:23.39 | Montagg | I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now, but definitely flag these pages and put a note on the talk page asking the validity of the information. |
| 05:24.26 | Montagg | There shouldn't be any info on these pages that can be considered real. For instance, Souther and Northern Pandaria are not Alliance faction zones, since they don't exist. |
| 05:24.49 | Montagg | He couldn't have come up with all this on his own... He even lists the friggin sub-regions. |
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| 05:25.37 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 05:26.14 | Sky2042 | can you delete [[Two Hand]] for me, or at least make it so it correctly redirects to [[Two-handed]]? |
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| 05:27.07 | Sky2042 | hmph |
| 05:27.08 | Sky2042 | nvm |
| 05:29.03 | Montagg | I put a note on his talk page asking for sources. |
| 05:29.29 | Sky2042 | yup, saw that |
| 05:30.15 | Montagg | We'll see what happens. |
| 05:33.43 | Sky2042 | there's actually a whole slew of them, lemme see if i can find the page |
| 05:34.22 | Sky2042 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Rumored_expansions |
| 05:34.39 | Sky2042 | it has a few of those type of pages located there |
| 05:43.02 | Montagg | Sky2042: This page seems to have some good development, though, since people add their ideas to the talk page before putting it in the main article. |
| 05:48.25 | Sky2042 | oh, no doubt. |
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| 08:34.03 | Adys | infobot, will you marry me? |
| 08:34.13 | infobot | no, adys, I prefer virile men. |
| 08:34.37 | Adys | Sorry this chan needed some action |
| 09:08.18 | dotted | qft |
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| 09:45.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Wii are still selling out in a matter of seconds on Amazon :( |
| 09:46.23 | Kirkburn|afk | I got to the place your order screen this time before they all went |
| 09:53.53 | dotted | lawl |
| 09:55.54 | Kirkburn|afk | I think they only put about 5 on at a time :/ |
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| 10:29.24 | Adys | Yay 10000 edits :P |
| 10:33.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Grats :) |
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| 11:39.46 | Zeal | get it straight, i'm not willing to take on the leadership position because i don't know parser functions ;) i was actually hoping voidvector would head up the template team, but no worries. all i care is that i'm on the team. |
| 11:40.10 | Zeal | and afaik, the teams are not sorted yet |
| 11:40.25 | Zeal | and there is no point in a template team until the upgrade |
| 11:40.42 | Zeal | because templates have come as far as they can for now. |
| 11:42.33 | Zeal | and don't think i didn't see what you said Tekkub ;) lol |
| 11:42.46 | Tekkub | you're slow |
| 11:45.13 | Zeal | i as asleep.. |
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| 11:48.06 | Zeal | 8was |
| 11:48.09 | Zeal | ***** |
| 11:48.12 | Zeal | >_< |
| 11:49.21 | Adys | infobot, wake Zeal up |
| 11:49.28 | infobot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on Zeal up and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 11:49.33 | Zeal | hehe |
| 11:49.33 | Adys | afk |
| 11:49.39 | Zeal | lies |
| 11:53.57 | Zeal | ffs.. learn to use local templates.. grr |
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| 12:08.33 | Zeal | hey dotted |
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| 12:13.05 | dotted | lo Zeal |
| 12:26.41 | Adys | ~zeal |
| 12:26.48 | infobot | somebody said zeal was now level 19! |
| 12:26.52 | Adys | hm |
| 12:26.56 | Adys | this bot needs updating |
| 12:27.04 | Zeal | 26 ;) |
| 12:28.59 | Adys | infobot, no, zeal is now level 26 |
| 12:29.00 | infobot | Adys: okay |
| 12:29.14 | Zeal | lol |
| 12:29.16 | Adys | ~botsnack |
| 12:29.16 | infobot | aw, gee, Adys |
| 12:29.20 | Zeal | ~zeal |
| 12:29.21 | infobot | hmm... zeal is now level 26 |
| 12:29.42 | Adys | hello fin :) |
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| 13:03.23 | Adys | lol zeal |
| 13:05.05 | dotted | nooooooo Outfitter auther has stopped playing wow :( |
| 13:05.27 | Zeal | hm? |
| 13:05.52 | dotted | im gonna cry myself to sleep if i have to use ClosetGnome, Wardrope2, ItemRack or any other shitty wardrope addon :( |
| 13:05.52 | Adys | oh you said amiss :p |
| 13:05.55 | sancus | zeal's been playing wow for a total of like one day? :p |
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| 13:13.16 | Zeal | i play like 1-2 a month now.. lol |
| 13:13.23 | Zeal | for like.. 4-6 hours |
| 13:13.32 | Zeal | so probably |
| 13:14.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Any idea what your total played is about? |
| 13:14.20 | Kirkburn|afk | On my main char I'm 'only' at 34 days |
| 13:15.58 | dotted | pff slacker |
| 13:21.05 | Kirkburn|afk | My housemate is over 100 on his :) |
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| 13:23.46 | Kirkburn|afk | I know that's not that impressive either |
| 13:24.05 | Kirkburn|afk | It's when people have over 300 that you kinda have to worry =) |
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| 13:31.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Yay, the Vista BBC Radio player gadget has been updated. Covers about 30 stations now :) |
| 13:31.44 | Kirkburn|afk | s/BBC// |
| 13:36.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh wow, this gadget is awesome - shows the status of the various London Underground lines |
| 13:36.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Minor delays on the Central Line, severe on the Circle Line (as ever) |
| 13:37.24 | Zeal | no idea what my total played is.. |
| 13:37.38 | Zeal | soemthing like 1.5 days i'd imagine |
| 13:37.43 | Kirkburn|afk | You type /played |
| 13:37.51 | Zeal | yeah.. i'm not in game >_> |
| 13:37.55 | Kirkburn|afk | :) |
| 13:38.07 | Zeal | infobot, played |
| 13:38.26 | Zeal | bah |
| 13:38.26 | Zeal | lol |
| 13:38.44 | Teomyr | he's still counting |
| 13:38.55 | Zeal | rofl |
| 13:40.22 | Zeal | Teomyr, is there a way i can see your layout for tooltips. cos if it's going to be used, to satisfy me, i want to check it can handle everything. that includes npcs ;) also want to check on the design of it, standards and all that :p |
| 13:40.40 | Zeal | and i'd prefer not to look in the javascript btw :p |
| 13:41.40 | Teomyr | you mean, the html code for the tooltip? |
| 13:43.08 | Zeal | aye |
| 13:43.41 | Teomyr | it's indeed generated by javascript, you'll have to check the code ;) |
| 13:43.45 | Teomyr | http://vs157092.vserver.de/wowwikitest/extensions/tooltips/tooltips.js |
| 13:43.47 | Zeal | bah |
| 13:45.26 | Zeal | "overLIB issue with Firefox" explain :p |
| 13:45.50 | Teomyr | the issue with "sticky" tooltips, remember? ;) |
| 13:46.09 | Teomyr | these tooltips were supposed to stay open until you move inside them, then out of them |
| 13:46.22 | Zeal | ah, kk |
| 13:46.25 | Teomyr | in firefox, they closed as soon as you entered them with the cursor |
| 13:46.59 | Teomyr | thats because the border graphics were not considered part of the tooltip |
| 13:48.04 | Zeal | kk.. well first off. switch to a div. my tooltip layout works in all browsers. i'll see about making it work with the graphics. |
| 13:48.30 | Teomyr | giev plx |
| 13:48.39 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template%3ATooltip |
| 13:48.55 | Zeal | ok, next up.. the inner html stuff |
| 13:49.00 | Zeal | wheres all that? lol |
| 13:51.57 | Teomyr | inner html stuff? |
| 13:51.57 | Teomyr | ah, you mean how the tooltip is called from a page? |
| 13:56.09 | Zeal | nope, the content of the tooltip |
| 13:56.22 | Zeal | and the layout for that content |
| 13:57.32 | Teomyr | that's generated from normal wiki markup |
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| 14:03.21 | Zeal | ok. got a link to where i can see this? :P |
| 14:03.49 | Zeal | oh wait.. i think i get ya |
| 14:03.59 | Zeal | you have to do it manually? |
| 14:04.11 | Zeal | inbetween <tooltip> tags |
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| 14:05.10 | Zeal | fucking newnuma song.. |
| 14:05.18 | Zeal | stuck in my head >_< |
| 14:05.23 | Tepetkhet | Newnuma? |
| 14:05.24 | Montagg | Damn you Zeal. You spread the virus. |
| 14:05.34 | Zeal | haha |
| 14:05.36 | Teomyr | <Zeal> you have to do it manually? <-- yes |
| 14:05.38 | Tepetkhet | Numanumawhat? |
| 14:05.46 | Zeal | Teomyr, what about for items |
| 14:05.51 | Zeal | hows that done? |
| 14:06.12 | Teomyr | haven't done the wdb parsing |
| 14:06.32 | Teomyr | the example on the tooltips page is a table |
| 14:06.36 | Zeal | that's ok, more concerned about how it's reading what you have :p |
| 14:07.20 | Teomyr | what's reading what? :P |
| 14:07.23 | Tepetkhet | Hi. |
| 14:07.59 | Tepetkhet | And sorry for my bout of stress-induced swearing yesterday. |
| 14:08.16 | Zeal | the {{Item: }} extension reading the database of items :p |
| 14:08.31 | Zeal | i must have missed that Tepetkhet :o |
| 14:08.35 | Teomyr | uh, that... |
| 14:08.42 | Teomyr | ...doesn't work :P |
| 14:08.46 | Zeal | rofl |
| 14:08.47 | Zeal | i see |
| 14:08.57 | Teomyr | or, well, it's more of an experiment and far from usable |
| 14:09.02 | Zeal | so, still need to rely on a template to handle that for now.. |
| 14:09.25 | Teomyr | yes. that's why i was worried about the issue about the template variables |
| 14:10.12 | Zeal | ok. well i would suggest when using {{Item:<id/name>}} to bring all the item info preformated for use in the tooltip. and the other forms you've given example for, unformated. |
| 14:10.37 | Teomyr | sounds good |
| 14:10.58 | Teomyr | but there are more issues |
| 14:11.06 | Zeal | oh? |
| 14:11.19 | Zeal | oh wait you said.. no raw html >_> |
| 14:11.30 | Zeal | ffs, how useless is that.. |
| 14:11.54 | Teomyr | well, i think "normal" stuff works, like <table> and stuff |
| 14:12.06 | Teomyr | i only tried the dangerous stuff (<script>) and that doesn't |
| 14:12.18 | Zeal | i see, well that makes sense |
| 14:12.24 | Zeal | that should be fine then |
| 14:12.32 | Teomyr | back to wdb parsing |
| 14:12.35 | Zeal | as it would only be list elements with styling |
| 14:12.55 | Teomyr | we need one (or more) mysql table to cache the data from the wdb |
| 14:13.07 | drin | Are you guys working on an item linking thingy with database backend? |
| 14:13.14 | Zeal | indeed |
| 14:13.17 | drin | i have that running on my wiki : ) |
| 14:13.22 | drin | but not in the {{ }} style |
| 14:13.31 | Zeal | do tell drin |
| 14:13.35 | drin | ehm |
| 14:13.42 | drin | http://wiki.iektoa.nl |
| 14:13.53 | drin | let me find a good example |
| 14:14.10 | drin | http://wiki.iektoa.nl/index.php/DKP:Zul%27Gurub |
| 14:14.15 | drin | mouse over stuff |
| 14:14.29 | drin | could be made inpage |
| 14:14.43 | drin | I use itemstats for that, some French author in control of that |
| 14:14.49 | drin | I just hacked it into my wikipedia |
| 14:14.53 | drin | wiki* |
| 14:15.06 | Teomyr | i think i know that extension |
| 14:15.17 | drin | itemstats you mean? |
| 14:15.18 | Zeal | ffs.. i hate that about the wiki. i wish ti would do view soruce when not logged in.. can't see the markup without registering :( |
| 14:15.27 | drin | I am admin |
| 14:15.29 | drin | I made it so ; ) |
| 14:15.37 | drin | And i hacked the plugin for wiki together |
| 14:15.46 | drin | only trip was getting it right in the css. |
| 14:16.44 | drin | <icon>Blood Garnet</icon> |
| 14:16.47 | drin | I use it like that |
| 14:16.52 | Zeal | so yeah.. can't register either i see >_> |
| 14:16.57 | drin | nope : ) |
| 14:17.07 | drin | it's closed, the opposite of wiki :D |
| 14:17.20 | Zeal | yeah, don't want to have to rely on manual use like that. |
| 14:17.34 | Teomyr | that extension relies on allakhazam heavily |
| 14:17.48 | Zeal | it reads from alla's xml? |
| 14:17.50 | Teomyr | it takes their tooltips and removes the copyright information |
| 14:17.58 | Tepetkhet | Bleh. |
| 14:18.00 | Zeal | lol |
| 14:18.06 | Tepetkhet | Nobody likes my Horde tile. |
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| 14:18.12 | Tepetkhet | I guess I should get rid of it. :/ |
| 14:18.23 | Zeal | hm? |
| 14:18.35 | Zeal | anyways, yes, new table Teomyr, makes perfect sense |
| 14:18.57 | Tepetkhet | Working on my guild's web site, but I suck at graphics and HTML and stuff. |
| 14:19.04 | Tepetkhet | http://www.void-if-removed.com |
| 14:19.19 | Tuqui-tuqui | ooohhh |
| 14:19.21 | Tuqui-tuqui | pretty :o |
| 14:19.30 | Tepetkhet | Non fixed-width |
| 14:19.38 | Tepetkhet | So I can't get the banner to center properly. |
| 14:19.39 | Zeal | pre-made CMS... noooo! lol |
| 14:19.53 | Teomyr | i have to design the table(s) and think of how to parse the wdb and map its fields to the table |
| 14:19.54 | Tepetkhet | Zeal: Read above where I said I suck at graphics and HTML and stuff. |
| 14:19.54 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 14:20.06 | Zeal | i know :p |
| 14:20.07 | drin | It relies on alla, but I would like it to work on wowhead. |
| 14:20.23 | Tepetkhet | I mean, that much is obvious. |
| 14:20.27 | drin | I'm just not motivated yet to make it so : ) |
| 14:20.40 | Zeal | drin, we're intending to run our own database, seperate from the others. |
| 14:20.43 | Teomyr | wowhead doesn't provide a xml feed (yet) |
| 14:20.48 | drin | I am running on my own database |
| 14:20.55 | Zeal | yeah, that's a bummer Teomyr |
| 14:20.56 | drin | just feeds the information once |
| 14:21.09 | Zeal | yes, we intend to parse ourselves |
| 14:21.13 | drin | ah nice |
| 14:21.13 | Zeal | not read from another site. |
| 14:21.23 | drin | I understand |
| 14:21.37 | drin | well if I can help out on anything just let me know :D |
| 14:22.48 | Zeal | Tepetkhet, set the banner as a bg image, center it with css, leave thw width 100%, set the height to what you want. voila. |
| 14:22.54 | Zeal | *the |
| 14:23.08 | Zeal | *the |
| 14:23.19 | Tepetkhet | But then the banner will be floating in the middle of nowhere... |
| 14:23.21 | Zeal | *center it with the background css styling |
| 14:23.34 | Zeal | bg image of the table cell ;) |
| 14:23.38 | Zeal | not the page |
| 14:26.20 | Teomyr | another thing |
| 14:26.27 | Zeal | i guess i'll try it out on an older version i have installed.. |
| 14:26.36 | Teomyr | the itemcache entries often refer to other WDB/DBC entries |
| 14:26.45 | Teomyr | like spell1, spell2 etc. for the item effects |
| 14:26.59 | Zeal | aye |
| 14:27.03 | Teomyr | i don't know yet how to handle them and what would be the best way to address them |
| 14:27.26 | Zeal | well spells are gunna need their own table too |
| 14:27.44 | Zeal | as they're be next up after items |
| 14:27.48 | Zeal | so use spell id |
| 14:28.17 | Zeal | though i should warn, there are two times of spells, and existing db sites get their relationships wrong. |
| 14:28.27 | Zeal | *types |
| 14:28.34 | Zeal | they need their own seperate tables |
| 14:28.48 | Teomyr | i mean from the syntax... how would you access an item's first effect description, for example? |
| 14:28.55 | Teomyr | something like {{item:Krol Blade:Spell1:Description}}? |
| 14:29.14 | Teomyr | the dbc field Spell1 refers to an entry in Spell.dbc |
| 14:29.44 | Teomyr | or more like xpath... {{item:Krol Blade/Spell1/Description}} |
| 14:29.46 | Zeal | yes, you would have to do something like that |
| 14:30.02 | Teomyr | that'll make for some damn complex table layouts :S |
| 14:30.14 | Zeal | no? |
| 14:30.46 | Zeal | item table, spell1 has a spell id. spell table, looks up spell id, returns description |
| 14:31.46 | Teomyr | yeah, that part is easy. but the itemcache.wdb has 130+ fields alone that need to be parsed, mapped to the database and put in relationship with all the other countless DBC files ;) |
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| 14:32.50 | Zeal | are you saying the wdb cache does not contain the spell id, but simply the description? |
| 14:33.06 | Teomyr | it contains the spell id |
| 14:33.37 | Teomyr | but that also means that, besides having to parse the wdb file, i also need to parse the spell dbc and many other files :/ |
| 14:33.46 | Zeal | well yes.. |
| 14:33.52 | Zeal | i thought you knew that :p |
| 14:34.04 | Teomyr | i know that, that's why i'm scared of it :P |
| 14:34.09 | Zeal | lol |
| 14:34.18 | Zeal | well it needs to be done |
| 14:34.21 | Teomyr | and the spell.dbc in turn references 5 other dbc files |
| 14:34.26 | Zeal | yuup |
| 14:35.04 | Zeal | pretty much, about 40% of the dbc files need to be parsed, and they also happen to be the largest ones :p |
| 14:35.16 | Teomyr | nice :P |
| 14:35.38 | Zeal | it's the definitions i'm worried about |
| 14:36.04 | Zeal | the database sites have their's in order. but i've never seen them publically explained |
| 14:36.21 | Teomyr | http://www.sourcepeek.com/wiki/Category:World_of_Warcraft |
| 14:36.48 | Zeal | ... |
| 14:37.21 | Zeal | no one told me this! |
| 14:37.33 | Zeal | and here i have, been racking my brains to figure them out |
| 14:37.38 | Zeal | *i've been, |
| 14:37.54 | Teomyr | i was also thankful to the person who gave me that link :P |
| 14:38.16 | Teomyr | would have never ever found that site on my own... |
| 14:38.37 | Zeal | indeed |
| 14:38.52 | Zeal | ok.. now to figure out this relationship properly.. |
| 14:40.20 | Zeal | lots of them haven't been updated for 2.0 |
| 14:40.31 | Zeal | loads of changes |
| 14:41.06 | Teomyr | are you sure? i already parsed some of them and they seem to be correct, even with 2.0 |
| 14:41.32 | Zeal | if it has been updated, the changes have not been listed |
| 14:44.54 | Zeal | ok it has been, but the changes weren't listed |
| 14:46.00 | Zeal | er.. some of those dbc files they refrence don't exist O_o |
| 14:46.18 | Teomyr | yes, some of them |
| 14:46.24 | Zeal | oh.. its wdb refrences.. |
| 14:46.35 | Zeal | be nice if they made a distinction.. |
| 14:46.38 | Teomyr | some were removed, i think SpellEffectNames |
| 14:46.45 | Zeal | yeah, it was |
| 14:48.53 | Zeal | god.. if i can get all these defined, i can upload the definition file for DBC Tool |
| 14:49.00 | Zeal | make everyone's lives easier |
| 14:50.13 | Zeal | the only thing it doesn' tell you for lookups, is what it's meant to be showing.. |
| 14:50.22 | Zeal | thus not exactly helpful |
| 14:55.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Gawd, if people are going to create a tactics article for a boss, they should at least link it on the lore page :/ |
| 14:56.28 | Kirkburn|afk | There was absolutely no link to the Lady Vashj article :( |
| 14:57.09 | Zeal | lol |
| 14:58.48 | Kirkburn|afk | Ooh, wow, they've landed a Collossal Squid: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6385071.stm |
| 15:00.49 | Kirkburn|afk | And, erk, they're still considering adding adverts to the BBC News website - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6385175.stm |
| 15:01.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh lol, Zeal - this one definately applies to you - broadband speeds - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6385631.stm |
| 15:04.39 | Zeal | erm.. bt is already using ADSL2+ |
| 15:04.46 | Zeal | it has been since it offered 2MBps |
| 15:05.11 | Zeal | hell a modem supporting it was required in order to get that |
| 15:05.35 | Teomyr | a friend of mine used to have 56k because his parents didn't allow DSL... "poor guy" we used to think |
| 15:05.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Didn't allow?! |
| 15:06.02 | Zeal | and everything i said before still applies. i know it's rate adaptive, but i aslo know what i've been told my line supports and how close i am to my exchange. |
| 15:06.09 | Teomyr | now he's got 16mbit DSL and laughs at me because more than 2mbit is not possible here :/ |
| 15:06.16 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 15:06.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, I just posted it as a point of interest :) |
| 15:06.45 | Zeal | Teomyr, i have a feeling some of these a wrong, namely the bit masks ones, but we'll see |
| 15:06.50 | Zeal | lol kk Kirkburn|afk |
| 15:09.51 | Zeal | 13 and 14 in spell.dbc seem wrong to me, but meh. |
| 15:11.17 | Teomyr | well then, figure them out yourself :P |
| 15:11.33 | Zeal | well 13 to be appeared to be $o |
| 15:11.38 | Teomyr | which program do you use for viewing dbcs? |
| 15:11.39 | Zeal | the dot dmg var |
| 15:11.43 | Teomyr | mywarcraftstudio? |
| 15:11.44 | Zeal | DBC Tool |
| 15:11.53 | Teomyr | link plx! ;) |
| 15:11.57 | Zeal | developed by a noggaholic member iirc |
| 15:12.01 | Zeal | its on curse |
| 15:12.42 | Teomyr | wtf |
| 15:12.56 | Zeal | hm? |
| 15:13.03 | Teomyr | spanish curse gaming? where did i set that? |
| 15:13.06 | Zeal | lol |
| 15:13.16 | Zeal | just a heads up, it's not been updated since 1.13 |
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| 15:13.40 | Zeal | so it can't open the mpq's. but i extract everything anyways, so no biggy for me. |
| 15:13.49 | Zeal | *1.3 |
| 15:13.51 | Zeal | rofl |
| 15:14.29 | Teomyr | can't find it |
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| 15:14.37 | Zeal | why the hell would you have two bitmask fields for usable and not usuable.. |
| 15:14.44 | Zeal | the bitmask covers that in one.. |
| 15:15.29 | Teomyr | lol, right |
| 15:16.44 | Zeal | and a bitmask can't be used to refrence another table.. |
| 15:17.35 | Zeal | wtf. no, don't crash on me.. |
| 15:19.28 | Zeal | argh |
| 15:19.29 | Zeal | pos.. |
| 15:19.42 | Zeal | one thing that pisses me off, defs are saved on exit |
| 15:19.57 | Zeal | so if it decides to freeze up, i loose everything.. |
| 15:20.52 | Teomyr | "This project and its downloads are currently unavailable while our moderators investigate it based on user reports." oO |
| 15:21.19 | Zeal | O_o |
| 15:23.34 | Teomyr | sigh... everytime i'm looking for an addon, i find 1) two billion outdated results from curse-gaming, 2) thousands of chinese wow sites |
| 15:25.16 | Zeal | http://www.cnitblog.com/Files/linghuye/DBCTools.rar |
| 15:25.36 | Teomyr | thx |
| 15:25.43 | Zeal | i can't even find outdated stuff on curse. where did you see the project stuff? :s |
| 15:25.52 | Zeal | btw, if that's now v0.5, let me know :P |
| 15:26.45 | Zeal | *not |
| 15:27.02 | Teomyr | i google'd for it |
| 15:27.10 | Teomyr | and found a cached result from curse |
| 15:27.40 | Zeal | yeah, google wasn't giving me results for it from curse :p |
| 15:27.48 | Zeal | that link is from mwcs :p |
| 15:28.04 | Zeal | it seems mwcs studio learnt how to do it from this, lol |
| 15:28.20 | Zeal | was part of the dev history |
| 15:28.21 | Zeal | lol |
| 15:32.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Don't worry Zeal, I'd never crash on you |
| 15:33.00 | Zeal | has WinMPQ still not been updated for 2.0? |
| 15:33.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, so I was scrolled up. |
| 15:33.13 | Zeal | lol Kirkburn|afk |
| 15:37.19 | Teomyr | haha, i love these spell names |
| 15:37.41 | Teomyr | Normal bow shot - Long bow shot - Really long bow shot |
| 15:38.54 | Zeal | lol |
| 15:38.55 | Teomyr | blizzard has LOADS of unused crap in their dbcs/mpqs |
| 15:39.34 | Zeal | aye |
| 15:39.51 | Zeal | hm.. that site doesn't differntiate between signed and unsigned integers.. |
| 15:39.54 | Zeal | rather important that.. |
| 15:40.08 | Teomyr | indeed |
| 15:40.32 | Teomyr | are the files little-endian? |
| 15:42.22 | Zeal | hm? |
| 15:43.10 | Zeal | you mean .dbc over .DBC? :S |
| 15:43.13 | Zeal | if so, yes. |
| 15:43.24 | Teomyr | no, i mean the byte order for the integers |
| 15:43.59 | Teomyr | but i guess its little endian, would not make sense otherwise |
| 15:44.12 | Zeal | i have no idea what you're talking about tbh |
| 15:44.20 | Zeal | programming talk goes over my head |
| 15:44.25 | dok3Dal | :D |
| 15:44.32 | Zeal | someone else had to explain bitmasks to me a while back.. |
| 15:44.51 | Zeal | back when i was leaking alpha talents >_>; |
| 15:45.07 | Teomyr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness |
| 15:47.24 | Zeal | phwoosh |
| 15:47.35 | Zeal | i'll let you figure it out ;) |
| 15:48.41 | Zeal | hm.. |
| 15:48.47 | Zeal | spell category .. |
| 15:49.02 | Zeal | it's mostly 0, with about 3 1's and 2's |
| 15:49.31 | Zeal | the wiki says crap about 170 = 1 351 = 2 |
| 15:49.33 | Zeal | :s |
| 15:50.36 | Teomyr | raaaar! me smash telephone! |
| 15:50.51 | Zeal | hm? |
| 15:51.47 | Psyker7 | howd the telephone pull aggro? |
| 15:52.36 | Teomyr | i'm called by a friend of mine quite often. i always wonder how he always manages to pick the topics that interest me the least |
| 15:53.48 | Psyker7 | me smash friend? |
| 15:54.03 | Psyker7 | anywho... popped in as i crash for the night.... 3 am >.< |
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| 15:56.05 | Kirkburn|afk | I just got phoned about the National Student Survey ... it's kinda despressing to keep saying "yeah, mostly agree" about 20 times :P |
| 15:58.26 | Kirkburn|afk | I had a feeling they might phone me. Since I threw away the postal survey :/ |
| 15:59.20 | Zeal | lol |
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| 16:18.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, Chris Eubank has been arrested for breach of the peace >_< |
| 16:19.47 | Zeal | oh? |
| 16:20.49 | Kirkburn|afk | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6387231.stm :P |
| 16:21.57 | Tuqui-tuqui | 0.o |
| 16:22.04 | Tuqui-tuqui | isnt he late by 2 days? |
| 16:22.10 | Tuqui-tuqui | Blair is pulling out :p |
| 16:22.20 | Zeal | wtf, lol |
| 16:22.37 | Kirkburn|afk | It also makes no sense |
| 16:23.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Certainly wouldn't be Blair's decision |
| 16:23.26 | Zeal | Teomyr, have you tired it yet. and can you make sense of the fields for spellitemenchantment, cos the wiki has no idea, and what it says is very clearly wrong |
| 16:25.19 | Zeal | i've always found eubank excentric and stupid |
| 16:25.21 | Zeal | so meh. |
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| 16:34.23 | Zeal | hm.. and the conditons for them make no sense either.. |
| 16:34.33 | Zeal | gem colours they are clearly not.. |
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| 17:03.23 | Zeal | and mwcs can't even open the conditon dbc.. |
| 17:03.44 | Zeal | wiki definitely has it wrong, or the dbc is in a unsual format.. |
| 17:05.19 | Zeal | how does 515,0 = 3,2 ? :s |
| 17:26.24 | Teomyr | ouch! |
| 17:27.37 | Zeal | help! :( |
| 17:27.43 | Zeal | i'm so very confused.. |
| 17:28.08 | Teomyr | i just came home, i'll have a look at it |
| 17:28.48 | Zeal | 1-15 is the same as 17-23 except 17-23 is moved up one row, and the extra row is new. 16 is a likely boolean |
| 17:29.12 | Zeal | and i'm seeing 515,0,0,0,0 where they say they see 3,2,0,0,0 :s |
| 17:31.16 | Teomyr | i don't get it |
| 17:31.29 | Teomyr | which dbc? SpellItemEnchantment? |
| 17:31.40 | Zeal | SpellItemEnchantmentCondition |
| 17:32.21 | Zeal | what i'm seeing doesn't mactch what they're seeing and saying. |
| 17:32.34 | Zeal | and mwcs doesn't even open it oddly. |
| 17:33.21 | Zeal | asume its something i'm not getting about byte.. |
| 17:33.50 | Zeal | but that still doesn't explain that the weird layout and duplication half way through the table :s |
| 17:34.14 | Teomyr | hm |
| 17:34.29 | Teomyr | is that the only dbc which also has 1-byte fields? |
| 17:34.56 | Zeal | honestly, that means nothing to me >_o;; |
| 17:35.02 | Zeal | but er.. i think so |
| 17:35.08 | Zeal | only one i've seen so far |
| 17:36.39 | Teomyr | doesn't make sense to me either |
| 17:37.13 | Teomyr | note that the columns on sourcepeek specify Byte format, as opposed to Integer |
| 17:37.21 | Zeal | aye |
| 17:37.29 | Teomyr | one byte is 1 byte in length, an integer has 4 bytes |
| 17:37.30 | Zeal | but i don't understand what that means exactly |
| 17:37.38 | Zeal | hm.. |
| 17:37.51 | Teomyr | maybe that is a new format by blizzard and mwcs/dbctool don't know how to handle it |
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| 17:38.07 | Teomyr | and that's why you're getting strange results |
| 17:38.28 | Zeal | perhaps : / |
| 17:42.09 | Teomyr | i'm still thinking about what would be the best way to manage the whole dbc/wdb integration thingy |
| 17:42.48 | Teomyr | i mean, at some point blizzard will change or add fields and files, and i'd like the code to stay the same and only change the field definitions |
| 17:43.11 | Teomyr | that'd be best implemented using a web interface |
| 17:44.58 | Zeal | er.. no following |
| 17:46.42 | Teomyr | if i implement this, i don't want the field definitions to be hard-coded; i'd like to have something like a management console, where you can view the dbcs and assign field definitions for use within the wiki (like in dbc tool) |
| 17:48.57 | Zeal | essentially, you'd be running a seperate wiki. heh |
| 17:49.26 | Teomyr | well, sort of :P |
| 17:50.04 | Zeal | but honestly, i don't see it being worth it. if blizz dropped a file or added new fields, you'd still have to change everything, and the web interface solution would be just a hard as doing it with a database and hard coding it. |
| 17:50.24 | Teomyr | correct |
| 17:51.23 | Teomyr | but then again, if everything is hard coded, you need file access for every little change |
| 17:51.23 | Teomyr | which is something we still don't have at all :P |
| 17:52.15 | Teomyr | i haven't been around for quite a while. has vlad disappeared again? |
| 17:53.55 | Zeal | nope, hes around |
| 17:53.55 | Zeal | he actually spent the weekend testing the coming upgrade on a vm |
| 17:53.55 | Teomyr | cool |
| 18:05.47 | Zeal | yay, regedit saves the day.. |
| 18:05.54 | Zeal | it can do the conversion for me :) |
| 18:06.06 | Zeal | shame about the layout still though.. |
| 18:07.04 | Zeal | 0x00000203 = 515 |
| 18:07.11 | Zeal | though that means fuck all to me |
| 18:10.49 | Teomyr | lol |
| 18:11.01 | Teomyr | windows calculator can do that too, no need for regedit ;) |
| 18:11.16 | Zeal | oh? do tell |
| 18:11.25 | Zeal | i really have no clue what's going on.. |
| 18:12.59 | Teomyr | duh |
| 18:13.08 | Teomyr | simple! |
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| 18:13.17 | Zeal | not to me >_>; |
| 18:13.19 | Adys | wtf you talking about |
| 18:13.23 | Adys | putted not english? |
| 18:13.24 | Zeal | you |
| 18:13.30 | Adys | come on |
| 18:13.33 | Teomyr | try setting column #2 to type "binary autodetect" |
| 18:13.35 | Adys | I use it since ages |
| 18:14.10 | Zeal | erm.. ok |
| 18:15.01 | Teomyr | 1 byte = 8 bits |
| 18:15.49 | Zeal | that i know |
| 18:15.53 | Zeal | but that's about it |
| 18:15.54 | Zeal | lol |
| 18:16.22 | Teomyr | actually, no, set it to binary 32 bits |
| 18:16.40 | Teomyr | that gives you 00000000 00000010 00000011 for 4 of these byte fields |
| 18:16.43 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Band_of_Many_Prisms ?? |
| 18:17.03 | Teomyr | which, when translated into decimal is: 0, 2, 3 |
| 18:17.34 | Zeal | not 3, 2, 0, 0, 0 ? :s |
| 18:17.45 | Teomyr | it's reversed |
| 18:17.59 | Zeal | well either way, missing zeros? |
| 18:18.00 | Zeal | :S |
| 18:18.05 | Teomyr | actually, i made a mistake copying |
| 18:18.18 | Teomyr | there's a limitation in dbc tool |
| 18:18.33 | Teomyr | it only supports fields of 4 byte length |
| 18:18.48 | Teomyr | but in this dbc file, there are 5 fields of 1 byte length |
| 18:19.21 | Zeal | i see |
| 18:19.22 | Teomyr | so setting the column type to 32 bit (4 bytes) only gives you a part of this |
| 18:19.39 | Zeal | i just noticed, if i turn all 5 to byte |
| 18:19.53 | Teomyr | i made a mistake when i pasted the example above, it is actually 00000000 00000000 00000010 00000011 (0, 0, 2, 3) |
| 18:19.54 | Zeal | the second column changes to what you originally said (well pretty much) |
| 18:20.13 | Zeal | did you do column 6 too? :o |
| 18:21.43 | Teomyr | i don't know how to set a column to a 1-byte field in dbc tool |
| 18:21.48 | Teomyr | doesn't seem to work :S |
| 18:22.43 | Zeal | well i can only wonder what the hell they're using to do it |
| 18:23.04 | Zeal | cos mwcs can't, and i don't with DBC>CSV can either |
| 18:23.10 | Zeal | *don't think |
| 18:24.18 | Teomyr | it's probably a recent addition to the DBC format |
| 18:26.13 | Zeal | i get it now.. 4byte limit. so 4 pairs of 8 bits is all it can show, when it should be 5 pairs. >_>; |
| 18:26.41 | Zeal | well this dbc file is a fairly recent addition |
| 18:26.44 | Zeal | so yeah |
| 18:34.27 | Teomyr | maybe i'll hack up my own dbc viewer application |
| 18:34.41 | Zeal | nice :) |
| 18:35.28 | Zeal | so basically, dbc tool would need to not have a byte limit for each column, and also have the type "binary 40bits"? |
| 18:36.05 | Zeal | wait, it wouldn't need that would it? cos if it didn;t have the limit, it would have put them in the right columns and no need to view binary.. |
| 18:36.28 | Teomyr | there should be types like "Integer (32 bits)", "Integer (16 bits)" etc. |
| 18:36.40 | Zeal | oh :s |
| 18:36.55 | Teomyr | xD |
| 18:37.07 | Zeal | only thing i don't get, is why it was easier to just simply do it normally.. |
| 18:37.15 | Zeal | *wasn't easier |
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| 18:50.00 | Zeal | so Teomyr, despite that glaring problem, what do you thin of it? |
| 18:50.04 | Zeal | *think |
| 18:50.46 | Teomyr | of what? :P |
| 18:51.41 | Zeal | DBC Tool |
| 18:53.33 | Teomyr | its a very handy tool |
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| 18:58.46 | Floyd | hello,.. im back again :D |
| 18:59.18 | Zeal | er.. hi |
| 19:00.44 | Floyd | my first questen is .. known someone a tutorial who tels how i can create tooltips? |
| 19:01.22 | Floyd | an my secound questen is .. how can i show this tooltip if a player raise the event MouseOver on a QuestLog entry |
| 19:01.34 | Floyd | i hope that someone can help me |
| 19:03.18 | Zeal | {{tooltip}} and you can't, yet |
| 19:03.50 | Zeal | oh wait |
| 19:03.53 | Zeal | you meant in game.. |
| 19:03.57 | Floyd | yes |
| 19:04.23 | Floyd | If a player mouseover over an questlog entry in the questlogframe |
| 19:04.43 | Zeal | er.. i would suggest you go to er.. *throws pages @ Kirkburn|afk and Gryphen* think it's #wowi-lounge or something :s |
| 19:05.03 | Floyd | oh sorry. my error .. i forget ^^ |
| 19:05.20 | Gryphen | o.O |
| 19:06.26 | Kirkburn|afk | haha |
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| 19:07.27 | Evildevil00 | hi all |
| 19:07.31 | Kirkburn|afk | hullo |
| 19:07.35 | Evildevil00 | someone can help me whit patch wow?:| |
| 19:07.44 | Zeal | lol Kirkburn|afk, wtf? |
| 19:07.58 | Evildevil00 | i have to install this patch WoW-1.12.x-to-2.0.1-engb-patch |
| 19:08.09 | Evildevil00 | but i dont really understand how... |
| 19:08.16 | Evildevil00 | inside i have 2 file |
| 19:08.28 | Zeal | inside what, and what are the files? |
| 19:08.41 | Evildevil00 | wow-partial-1.MPQ |
| 19:08.43 | Evildevil00 | wow-partial-2.MPQ |
| 19:09.04 | Evildevil00 | how can i use those file? |
| 19:09.25 | Zeal | er.. |
| 19:09.58 | Evildevil00 | i dont have something like Updater.exe |
| 19:09.59 | Kirkburn|afk | 2.0.1 was in 4 parts |
| 19:10.04 | Kirkburn|afk | That's two of them |
| 19:10.17 | Zeal | you mgiht be able t to put them in a folder with Blizz Updater.exe |
| 19:10.21 | Zeal | thne run the updater |
| 19:10.48 | Kirkburn|afk | Easiest is probably to look at http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors#Incremental_Update |
| 19:10.52 | Zeal | looks like whereever you downloaded those from didn't upload the patch correctly |
| 19:11.39 | Teomyr | that's the preloaded part, probably |
| 19:11.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Evildevil00, I guess you've just returned to WoW from a break? |
| 19:15.39 | Evildevil00 | yep |
| 19:15.42 | Evildevil00 | i do |
| 19:15.53 | Evildevil00 | i download |
| 19:15.58 | Evildevil00 | WoW-1.12.x-to-2.0.1-engb-patch.zip |
| 19:16.02 | Evildevil00 | from a mirrow |
| 19:16.14 | Zeal | yeah, that zip is obviously incomplete |
| 19:16.19 | Zeal | i would try a different mirror |
| 19:16.41 | Evildevil00 | OMG -_- here i cant download all patch whit 56k :| |
| 19:16.53 | Evildevil00 | with* |
| 19:16.55 | Evildevil00 | :| |
| 19:16.56 | Zeal | :( |
| 19:17.01 | Tepetkhet | Do you have any friends? |
| 19:17.03 | Hobinheim|afk | Kirkburn|afk, what do you think of me and tek heading up the template group |
| 19:17.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Sounds good to me :) |
| 19:17.17 | Evildevil00 | yep but...now i cant download this from them |
| 19:17.28 | Zeal | also, just to give us a heads up, what mirror did you get it from, as they should probably be told. |
| 19:17.42 | Tepetkhet | Do you have access to a faster Internet connection somewhere else? |
| 19:17.50 | Zeal | well i made myself clear hob |
| 19:17.51 | Tepetkhet | Like work, school, or a friend or relative's house? |
| 19:18.01 | Evildevil00 | yes i cant but NOT now.... |
| 19:18.04 | Evildevil00 | i want to play now :D |
| 19:18.14 | Tepetkhet | You cannot play now if your patch file is broken. |
| 19:18.20 | Tepetkhet | I want to play now, too. |
| 19:18.23 | Tepetkhet | But I'm at work. |
| 19:18.24 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 19:18.44 | Evildevil00 | from here |
| 19:18.45 | Evildevil00 | ftp://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/games/worldofwarcraft/patches/enGB |
| 19:18.46 | Evildevil00 | :| |
| 19:18.50 | Evildevil00 | grrrr |
| 19:19.03 | Evildevil00 | a mirrow of wowwiki |
| 19:19.20 | Tepetkhet | Mirror |
| 19:19.36 | Evildevil00 | oh lol yep :D |
| 19:21.28 | Evildevil00 | but.... |
| 19:21.42 | Evildevil00 | anyone have the rest of the patch? |
| 19:22.03 | Evildevil00 | coz i think that the lost part are very light |
| 19:22.32 | Evildevil00 | coz my file is 629mb |
| 19:22.38 | Zeal | how big is the zip you downloaded Evildevil00? |
| 19:22.42 | Zeal | ah, nvm.. |
| 19:22.55 | Evildevil00 | <Evildevil00> coz my file is 629mb |
| 19:23.02 | Evildevil00 | from |
| 19:23.03 | Evildevil00 | <Evildevil00> ftp://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/games/worldofwarcraft/patches/enGB |
| 19:23.08 | Zeal | someone wanna contact the mirror/remove them until they fix it? |
| 19:23.23 | Evildevil00 | O.o |
| 19:23.26 | Evildevil00 | fixed the problem |
| 19:23.28 | Evildevil00 | O.o |
| 19:23.30 | Zeal | ? |
| 19:23.32 | Evildevil00 | LoL |
| 19:23.34 | Evildevil00 | i r0x :D |
| 19:23.57 | Tepetkhet | How? |
| 19:24.04 | Evildevil00 | i started |
| 19:24.07 | Evildevil00 | my wow |
| 19:24.09 | Evildevil00 | and |
| 19:24.14 | Evildevil00 | when i tried to download |
| 19:24.22 | Evildevil00 | ...he install the patch :D |
| 19:24.29 | Evildevil00 | coz i i created the folder |
| 19:24.34 | Evildevil00 | whit the name of patch |
| 19:24.35 | Evildevil00 | :D |
| 19:24.38 | Evildevil00 | with* |
| 19:26.16 | Tepetkhet | Ah. |
| 19:26.29 | Evildevil00 | .... |
| 19:26.40 | Evildevil00 | but i haven't 37mb -_- |
| 19:26.47 | Evildevil00 | probably the 2 part |
| 19:27.02 | Evildevil00 | that i dont have... |
| 19:27.07 | Tepetkhet | It's probably downloading the missing parts then... |
| 19:27.10 | Evildevil00 | :| |
| 19:27.16 | Evildevil00 | yep i think so |
| 19:32.49 | Zeal | oh ffs |
| 19:32.59 | Zeal | why do obscure shows i like go off air.. |
| 19:33.11 | Tepetkhet | Because they're obscure. |
| 19:33.12 | Zeal | i only just got my firends into it :( |
| 19:33.22 | Zeal | Kitchen Confidental |
| 19:33.27 | Zeal | it pwns.. |
| 19:34.37 | Zeal | pervs over sarah rue in Less Than Perfect instead.. |
| 19:34.43 | Zeal | */me :p |
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| 19:53.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Wow I am TOTALLY confused right now. Apparently there was a piece of work to be handed in - one guy in my group says I was supposed to have done it. I thought he was doing it. The hand-in was a month ago. Wtf? |
| 19:54.05 | Hobinheim|afk | ouch |
| 19:54.08 | Hobinheim|afk | step 1, just get it done |
| 19:54.11 | Hobinheim|afk | step 2, fire him |
| 19:54.17 | Hobinheim|afk | step 3, profit |
| 19:54.42 | Kirkburn|afk | I have absolutely no recollection of it all :/ |
| 19:55.42 | Hobinheim|afk | too much wow, sir |
| 19:55.50 | Hobinheim|afk | just UA him and walk away |
| 19:55.55 | Hobinheim|afk | ha neither of us have UA |
| 19:56.00 | Hobinheim|afk | just say pettattack and walk away |
| 19:56.24 | Zeal | this is why i don't work well in groups.. |
| 19:56.58 | Zeal | can't rely on others, and i often get distracted/forget so they can't rely on me ;) |
| 19:57.22 | Zeal | only think i'm reliable for is being roughly 30mins late to everything.. |
| 19:57.23 | Zeal | rofl |
| 19:59.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Hah, I just don't turn up |
| 20:00.05 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm serious though, throughout his phone call I was thinking "huh? what? what the hell? Me? I thought you ... what email?" |
| 20:00.16 | Zeal | lol |
| 20:00.17 | Hobinheim|afk | what class is this? |
| 20:00.23 | Hobinheim|afk | talk to the professor |
| 20:00.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Professional Studies. We're lobbying to get it changed/removed. |
| 20:00.49 | Kirkburn|afk | It's a waste of time, tbh |
| 20:01.08 | Hobinheim|afk | wtf is professional studies |
| 20:01.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Ho hum |
| 20:01.13 | Hobinheim|afk | this is for an engineering degree? |
| 20:01.15 | Kirkburn|afk | That's what WE think |
| 20:01.16 | Hobinheim|afk | civ right? |
| 20:01.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes |
| 20:01.24 | Hobinheim|afk | did you play with the scope thingie yet |
| 20:01.24 | Hobinheim|afk | hahaha |
| 20:02.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Scope thingie?! |
| 20:02.56 | Hobinheim|afk | c'mon man you're civ you know what i'm talking about |
| 20:03.04 | Hobinheim|afk | the thing that measures distance |
| 20:03.41 | Zeal | i think even i know what you're talking about |
| 20:03.48 | Zeal | and i know nothing about civil engineering.. |
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| 20:04.05 | Hobinheim|afk | surveyer |
| 20:04.08 | Hobinheim|afk | surveying |
| 20:04.10 | Hobinheim|afk | surveying class |
| 20:09.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Had a week of surverying classes in first year. |
| 20:09.12 | Kirkburn|afk | I got chicken pox. |
| 20:09.14 | Zeal | http://www.sourcepeek.com/wiki/SpellVisual.dbc column 8 is definitely wrong, there's values that do not exist. |
| 20:09.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Lasted until tuesday lunchtime. |
| 20:09.31 | Kirkburn|afk | *sigh* |
| 20:09.40 | Kirkburn|afk | (I lasted, not the pox) |
| 20:10.03 | Tepetkhet | oh |
| 20:10.08 | Tepetkhet | Good thing you clarified. |
| 20:10.16 | Zeal | lol |
| 20:10.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Note that this was also during the easter break, so I didn't even get to miss many lectures! |
| 20:11.39 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm still sitting here and wtf-ing about the earlier thing. Wtf? |
| 20:12.29 | Kirkburn|afk | God why is Uni so boring. |
| 20:12.36 | Zeal | heh |
| 20:12.55 | EricBetts | your degree isn't about knowing stuff, its about being able to not go crazy or become an alcoholic |
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| 20:18.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Well I'm pretty much teetotal, so rules that one out. The other ... less, er, so |
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| 20:24.00 | Kirkburn|afk | UK people, sign this! http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/VistaOvercharge/ |
| 20:27.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Is that anyone other than Zeal? :P |
| 20:30.52 | Zeal | /signed |
| 20:30.56 | Hobinheim|afk | lol |
| 20:31.00 | Hobinheim|afk | wait zeal you're uk also |
| 20:31.46 | Zeal | an over 100% markup on the cost can not be covered by taxes and other such charges. |
| 20:32.00 | Zeal | Microsoft are clearly ripping us off |
| 20:32.30 | Zeal | then theres the fact XP didn't even come close to that price |
| 20:33.23 | Zeal | yet Vista made us wait a crap load longer and has less new about it than xp did. Cost is merely to cover the money and time they spent fucking it up. |
| 20:34.34 | Zeal | and yes hob i am :p |
| 20:39.04 | sancus | "I can see no reason for there to be such a huge difference in prices between the UK and the US other than Microsofts belief that the UK customers will pay more than their US counterparts." |
| 20:39.13 | sancus | ... duh? That's a valid reason for pricing differences :P |
| 20:39.20 | sancus | it's called price discrimination, newbs |
| 20:40.03 | Zeal | it's also called reason to revolt :p |
| 20:40.06 | Zeal | lol |
| 20:40.40 | Zeal | i'm gunna contact some terrorists, get thme to suicide bomb microsoft HQ until they lower prices >_> |
| 20:40.50 | sancus | yea im sure that will work |
| 20:40.53 | Zeal | rofl |
| 20:41.13 | sancus | thats a silly petition |
| 20:41.15 | Hobinheim|afk | that's what you get for not using euros |
| 20:41.21 | sancus | whats the PM going to tell MS? |
| 20:41.27 | Tepetkhet | They'll just hire Jack Bauer. |
| 20:41.30 | Zeal | it is a silly petition i agree |
| 20:41.32 | sancus | if you dont lower your prices you can't sell vista here? |
| 20:41.33 | sancus | lol? |
| 20:41.48 | Zeal | pretty much yes |
| 20:41.50 | sancus | MS would say 'haha ok sure, good luck with that' |
| 20:42.31 | Zeal | yeah, they'd cut out a significant portion of their market at the sake of atmost, 50% cut in incoem from that market. |
| 20:42.35 | Zeal | ... |
| 20:43.00 | sancus | the UK is an insigficant, irrelevant market to MS |
| 20:43.08 | sancus | and anyway, the government can't say that to MS |
| 20:43.09 | Zeal | sure >_> |
| 20:43.20 | sancus | because the businesses would crucify the government for even implying it |
| 20:43.32 | Zeal | a watchdog organisation can on their behalf |
| 20:43.40 | sancus | no? |
| 20:43.46 | Zeal | yes |
| 20:43.46 | sancus | Again, MS has all the power |
| 20:44.00 | sancus | the UK depends on MS, MS doesn't depend on the UK |
| 20:44.01 | Zeal | sancus, seriously, you're spouting biased bull. |
| 20:44.20 | sancus | no I'm not |
| 20:44.46 | Zeal | what sane company chooses to loose 100% income from a market at the same of 50% of income from that market and any relationships with that market.? |
| 20:45.01 | sancus | They're not choosing to lose 100% income from the market |
| 20:45.03 | Zeal | *at the sake |
| 20:45.05 | sancus | they're choosing to laugh at a bluff |
| 20:45.22 | sancus | Again, the gov't can't really do much of anything because the country's dependent on those products |
| 20:45.39 | Zeal | microsoft would likely sit down and sort out a better deal if anything |
| 20:45.58 | sancus | If they do, they're dumb |
| 20:46.06 | sancus | they have monopoly power on the OS across the entire world |
| 20:46.10 | Zeal | if they don't, they're dumb |
| 20:46.18 | sancus | maybe if the european union decided to do something about it, then they would sit down and talk |
| 20:46.27 | Zeal | oh sure.. rofl |
| 20:46.31 | sancus | but the UK itself doesn't have sufficient power |
| 20:46.46 | Zeal | showing your biased colours there. know nothing about the market share. |
| 20:47.06 | Zeal | so don't even speculate |
| 20:47.11 | sancus | lol |
| 20:47.19 | sancus | are you really this stupid? |
| 20:47.33 | sancus | the EU is a much bigger market than the UK, so obviously they have more bargaining power |
| 20:47.52 | Zeal | yet any market is better than none |
| 20:47.56 | Zeal | always |
| 20:48.12 | sancus | what 'none'? |
| 20:48.46 | Zeal | if they call bluff.. ffs |
| 20:48.54 | sancus | The UK is politically incapable of preventing MS from selling their products, and probably politically incapable of imposing any sanctions, for the simple fact that businesses in the country need access to MS products to even be able to function. |
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| 20:50.06 | sancus | sides that, vista pricing has been known for a long time and if there was any political power behind a lobby against it, it wouldn't have gone on sale at those prices |
| 20:50.10 | Zeal | users would still then import cheaper, and microsoft would have losts uk business partners, a market. and it's no secret how important uk's relationship is in the world. |
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| 20:50.45 | Zeal | pliticians are fools and majority probably can't even turn on a pc. |
| 20:50.50 | Zeal | *politicians |
| 20:51.00 | sancus | yet they're the ones who need to do something to make MS change their mind about pricing |
| 20:51.00 | Zeal | they're onyl get behind when someone has support |
| 20:51.05 | sancus | so g'luck with that |
| 20:51.26 | Zeal | *something |
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| 21:10.47 | Kirkburn|afk | The UK goverment /can/ force MS to alter it's prices |
| 21:11.29 | Kirkburn|afk | The normal method would likely be to take it to the EU for it to be investigated |
| 21:11.42 | Kirkburn|afk | And the EU most certainly can fine MS for overcharging |
| 21:12.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Whether or not it will is indeed a different matter |
| 21:13.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Price fixing can and is investigated |
| 21:13.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyway, there was little objection as businesses aren't really affected, only home users |
| 21:14.18 | Kirkburn|afk | And they have no single voice to lobby with |
| 21:14.28 | Kirkburn|afk | (nor do enough people know about the difference) |
| 21:16.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Not accusing anyone here, but the UK and Europe is a significant market, whatever some people in the US may like to believe (I've seen so many people on Neowin say "well they can't do that because such-and-such will pull out of Europe", as if Europe is some piddly little backwater) |
| 21:16.59 | Kirkburn|afk | The Uk on it's own is a /much/ larger market than its size suggests |
| 21:18.14 | Kirkburn|afk | US population - 300m, UK population 61m. That's at least a 5th of the US market. |
| 21:19.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyway, thought that was important to be said. |
| 21:21.47 | Zeal | yeah, i neglected to go into fines and uk seeking action through the eu. but the latter part is what i was trying to point out too :p |
| 21:24.47 | sancus | Kirkburn: I mentioned that forcing it through the EU is more possible, so I dunno why you're just repeating what I said |
| 21:24.56 | sancus | The UK acting on its own is just ridiculous, that's all |
| 21:25.43 | Kirkburn|afk | UK can intervene in it's own market |
| 21:25.43 | Kirkburn|afk | It's like saying the US can't do anything about it either |
| 21:26.02 | sancus | The US has a lot more political power and is probably considerably more than 5 times the MS market |
| 21:26.22 | sancus | I doubt the population ratio correlates very well |
| 21:26.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Wow, do you think we all live in huts or something? |
| 21:26.40 | sancus | No? |
| 21:26.49 | Kirkburn|afk | We aren't a small market. |
| 21:26.51 | sancus | The UK's per capita income alone is much lower |
| 21:28.35 | Zeal | would probably harm business relations with america if we lost windows here, i don't think american want's to let that happen. |
| 21:28.49 | Kirkburn|afk | $41,000 to $31,000, so fair enough |
| 21:28.57 | Kirkburn|afk | It doesn't make us a small market |
| 21:29.14 | sancus | I didn't say you were a small market, just not big enough to face down MS alone on something like that |
| 21:29.23 | sancus | After all, the US gov't has tried and basically failed to do that repeatedly! |
| 21:29.51 | Kirkburn|afk | That was on a more 'moral' issue, this is a cut and dry doubling of the price |
| 21:30.03 | sancus | and I find it hard to believe that if there was any will to fight the pricing, that it would have waited so long |
| 21:31.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Well, that's never been my point. I'm saying the UK is capable of doing something if it wanted to |
| 21:31.20 | Zeal | probably because the majority of people (including businesses and other organizations) aren't even considering upgrading until later this year or the next. |
| 21:31.52 | sancus | I wonder if the pricing even really matters to enough people for it to be relevant |
| 21:32.15 | sancus | that's retail pricing, after all, it doesn't imply that corporate pricing or OEM pricing is the same |
| 21:32.16 | Zeal | well as you can see, Kirkburn|afk went for oem |
| 21:32.24 | Zeal | i probably will too |
| 21:32.31 | Kirkburn|afk | :) |
| 21:32.36 | equiraptor | Wow. Back on that? :) |
| 21:32.39 | sancus | if the ONLY pricing that's super expensive is retail |
| 21:32.52 | sancus | then you can pretty much forget about anything happening |
| 21:32.54 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, I think that's likely |
| 21:32.55 | Zeal | well oem i can afford |
| 21:33.00 | sancus | yeah so nothing will happen |
| 21:33.07 | Zeal | but relatively, it's still far too expensive |
| 21:33.10 | sancus | that affects hardly anyone |
| 21:33.27 | sancus | the retail market for Vista is pretty pathetic everywhere, heh |
| 21:34.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Windows users don't generally have the ... zeal (damn english) of Mac users :P |
| 21:34.31 | Zeal | lol |
| 21:34.35 | sancus | osx is super fucking expensive |
| 21:34.45 | sancus | because they release much more often |
| 21:34.56 | Kirkburn|afk | I find it surprising they can keep it up |
| 21:35.12 | equiraptor | If you have 5 machines, it ends up being pretty cheap per machine. ;) |
| 21:35.20 | equiraptor | But, yeah, they do release a lot. |
| 21:35.22 | Kirkburn|afk | I guess if you're paying slightly less but once every other year you don't notice as much |
| 21:35.32 | sancus | yeah extra osx licenses are reasonable |
| 21:35.39 | sancus | but 150 bucks a year |
| 21:35.43 | equiraptor | 5 for ~$200, right? |
| 21:35.46 | sancus | yea |
| 21:35.56 | equiraptor | Oh, and I've had my laptop for over a year and haven't needed to buy OS X to have the latest, yet. |
| 21:36.06 | sancus | yeah |
| 21:36.08 | sancus | this release is a bit slow! |
| 21:36.13 | equiraptor | It had been a year, but they seem to be slowing down. |
| 21:36.14 | Kirkburn|afk | MS did do some better deals this year - one of them was get a copy of Ultimate and you can get two copies of Premium really /really/ cheaply |
| 21:36.30 | sancus | I'm a little annoyed |
| 21:36.43 | sancus | I'm about to buy a macbook pro, with my luck, leopard or wtfever it's called will come out shortly thereafter |
| 21:36.47 | sancus | I wonder if there's an upgrade window or something |
| 21:36.49 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 21:36.51 | equiraptor | Yeah, it's set to come out soon. |
| 21:36.58 | equiraptor | And the free upgrade window is ~14 days. |
| 21:37.21 | equiraptor | So don't buy until 10.5 is out. |
| 21:37.30 | sancus | thats shit |
| 21:37.32 | equiraptor | IIRC, it was either supposed to be march or june of this year. |
| 21:37.33 | Kirkburn|afk | "Spring" |
| 21:37.36 | sancus | well I need it before april |
| 21:37.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Not much of a release date :/ |
| 21:37.41 | sancus | before march 30th, really |
| 21:37.51 | equiraptor | There's a decent chance it will be out by then. |
| 21:38.04 | Kirkburn|afk | FOURTEEN days??? |
| 21:38.09 | equiraptor | Depending on where and how you get the machine, you may end up buying it with .4 installed, with .5 disks packaged with it. |
| 21:38.20 | equiraptor | IIRC, yeah. The free upgrade window is small. |
| 21:38.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Wow. |
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| 21:38.38 | equiraptor | Especially given Apple's secrecy about release dates. |
| 21:38.57 | equiraptor | I wonder if anyone has a guess at a tuesday for release yet. |
| 21:39.15 | sancus | i guess it's all a write off for me anyway so w/e |
| 21:40.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Perhaps one day people will realise Apple isn't the wunderkind, and MS isn't the anti-christ. =) I think they're far more similar than people like to think. |
| 21:40.24 | Kirkburn|afk | I wish I had more experience with OSX |
| 21:40.45 | equiraptor | I just hate working in Windows. |
| 21:41.17 | Zeal | i've onyl ever used OS9 |
| 21:41.42 | Zeal | and that was rather limited to just using photoshop and illustrator and a zip drive :p |
| 21:42.05 | equiraptor | I only used Classic Mac OSes a tiny bit. |
| 21:42.08 | equiraptor | I couldn't stand them. |
| 21:42.15 | equiraptor | I can at least *tolerate* Windows. :/ |
| 21:42.17 | Kirkburn|afk | I think I probably last used OS8 |
| 21:42.43 | sancus | I never used macs before this year |
| 21:42.44 | Zeal | experience with OSX is limited to messing out in pcworld :P |
| 21:42.47 | sancus | now I think they're $$$$$$$ |
| 21:42.50 | Zeal | *about in |
| 21:42.51 | sancus | osx is a great great OS |
| 21:42.54 | sancus | much better than XP |
| 21:43.00 | Kirkburn|afk | And mostly System 7, judging by wikipedia's screenshots. It's what my school had until it discovered PCs. |
| 21:43.10 | equiraptor | I need to get my hands on a copy of Vista to play with on the Mac Pro. |
| 21:43.14 | sancus | I haven't really used Vista a lot yet so I dunno, but I'm not buying it until drivers catch up anyway |
| 21:43.35 | Zeal | i'm waiting for a fairly long time tbh |
| 21:43.38 | sancus | but I still dont see a lot of reason to buy a mac desktop |
| 21:43.44 | equiraptor | I love being able to ssh in to my desktop. :) |
| 21:43.45 | sancus | the laptops are great, is all |
| 21:43.49 | Zeal | want lower price, and i want to se what fiji brings.. |
| 21:43.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Give it until April or so, should be much better by then |
| 21:44.01 | Kirkburn|afk | It's just a service pack :P |
| 21:44.12 | Zeal | yes.. we've had this talk :P |
| 21:44.15 | sancus | like 80% of mozilla uses macbook pros |
| 21:44.16 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 21:44.21 | Zeal | even that guy said it was brining some important stuff |
| 21:44.33 | sancus | go to meetings and shit |
| 21:44.37 | sancus | there's like 9 macs on the desk |
| 21:44.39 | sancus | and 1 pc |
| 21:44.44 | Zeal | though he mentioned something utilizing WinFS, so i doubt anything he says already. |
| 21:44.47 | sancus | but everyone uses PCs on their desktop! |
| 21:45.58 | equiraptor | Yeah. While I was still playing NWN, I was happy with Linux on my desktop, so I was happy with the PC. |
| 21:46.17 | equiraptor | With WoW, I don't really want to deal with trying to run WoW on Linux, but i'd rather a *nix than Windows, so I bought a Mac desktop. |
| 21:46.28 | equiraptor | (And I'm enjoying my Woodcrests ;) ) |
| 21:46.57 | Zeal | if the tables were turned, and OSX was in microsoft's position, i really doubt anyone would be using windows.. |
| 21:47.31 | equiraptor | I wonder. |
| 21:47.57 | equiraptor | I know some people who refuse to use anything except Windows on their desktops. But I wonder if it's *windows* they like, or the results of the popularity. |
| 21:49.22 | Zeal | it's the popularity, and thus availability, compatability and third party software that makes it appealing to me. generally, i don't like the os itself. |
| 21:49.58 | Zeal | and that's why nothing that apple offer can make me switch atm : / |
| 21:50.11 | equiraptor | :( |
| 21:50.22 | Kirkburn|afk | I would have to agree with Zeal there |
| 21:50.44 | Kirkburn|afk | If I was 'starting over', then I could consider it |
| 21:52.19 | equiraptor | Yeah. It's a valid reason to choose the OS. |
| 21:52.19 | equiraptor | I'm disappointed that it is, but I can't deny it. :) |
| 21:52.19 | equiraptor | I *wish* we could all choose whichever OS worked the way we like, and all our apps would just work, but that's not exactly practical. |
| 21:52.19 | Zeal | yeah. i really really wish it wasn't the case, because it generally means nothing can ever overthrow windows : / |
| 21:53.17 | Zeal | btw, heres a question that i've never really explored (and got the impressed it changed recetnly) hward compatability between a mac and a pc. it doesn't really exist does it? :s |
| 21:53.37 | Kirkburn|afk | In future it will |
| 21:53.42 | Kirkburn|afk | It does to an extent atm |
| 21:53.44 | Zeal | cos that's the other thing that draws me to pcs.. the hardware and easy ability to customize it. |
| 21:53.58 | Zeal | ofc, could use linux |
| 21:54.09 | Zeal | but i'd rather use OSX than that >_> |
| 21:54.19 | Kirkburn|afk | The switch to Intel should have helped |
| 21:54.41 | Kirkburn|afk | That's as far as my knowledge goes, though |
| 21:54.50 | Zeal | yeah, that's what i thought |
| 21:54.57 | Teomyr | curse you, thread safety! |
| 21:55.02 | Zeal | cos i knew bios and mobo stuff wasn't compatable. |
| 21:55.04 | Teomyr | *rant* |
| 21:55.35 | Zeal | and the intel switch apparently brought in line with pc's. |
| 21:55.41 | Zeal | whats up Teomyr |
| 21:56.07 | Kirkburn|afk | problems with your threads? |
| 21:56.33 | Zeal | can't get it through the needles? :p |
| 21:57.47 | Teomyr | haha |
| 21:58.07 | Kirkburn|afk | You gotta have good threads |
| 21:58.21 | equiraptor | The switch to Intel *did* help. |
| 21:58.48 | equiraptor | If you run windows on your Mac Pro, you can plug in pretty much whatever PCI-e hardware would work in a "normal" x86 box, and it will work. |
| 21:58.58 | Teomyr | i wanted to delegate reading the dbc file to another thread so that the program still responds and allows cancellation of the process |
| 21:58.59 | equiraptor | Unfortunately, things won't work in OS X unless they have EFI support. |
| 21:59.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Are they x64 at all yet? |
| 21:59.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh that reminds me, Vista /may/ be getting EFI support in future |
| 21:59.26 | equiraptor | Are what x64? |
| 21:59.29 | equiraptor | Macs? |
| 21:59.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah |
| 21:59.38 | equiraptor | Yeah, the hardware is. |
| 21:59.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Will Leopard be? |
| 21:59.55 | equiraptor | The OS has some x64 libraries, but a non-insignificant amount of 10.4 is still 32 bit. |
| 22:00.01 | equiraptor | Yeah, 10.5 is 64 bit. |
| 22:00.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Cool |
| 22:00.12 | equiraptor | Including the GUI (which is the part on 10.4 that lagged). |
| 22:00.48 | Hobinheim|afk | Kirkburn|afk, is it worth it? vista? |
| 22:00.50 | Kirkburn|afk | (to those wondering what EFI is, it's easier to look it up - it's to do with booting a PC) |
| 22:00.56 | Hobinheim|afk | also, did you install on a new computer or an old one? |
| 22:01.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Old |
| 22:01.04 | Hobinheim|afk | isn't EFI the successor to cmos/bios? |
| 22:01.05 | Kirkburn|afk | It's better than XP |
| 22:01.10 | Hobinheim|afk | how old.... =P |
| 22:01.15 | Kirkburn|afk | 3 years |
| 22:01.18 | Hobinheim|afk | i'm such an ms whore but i don't like troubles |
| 22:01.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Atm the main problem is support and drivers |
| 22:01.50 | Kirkburn|afk | The OS itself is good |
| 22:02.26 | Kirkburn|afk | I can't compare to OSX as I little experience |
| 22:02.32 | Kirkburn|afk | *i have |
| 22:03.06 | Hobinheim|afk | >_>.... |
| 22:03.12 | Hobinheim|afk | did you upgrade or clean install? |
| 22:03.14 | Kirkburn|afk | It runs very well on old PCs I should add. You certainly don't need something brand new to run it really well. |
| 22:03.14 | Tepetkhet | Home time. |
| 22:03.15 | Tepetkhet | Later. |
| 22:03.18 | Kirkburn|afk | See ya |
| 22:03.34 | Hobinheim|afk | i have two gigs of ram. oh i remember what's holding me back, hd space |
| 22:03.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Clean install |
| 22:03.36 | Hobinheim|afk | 15 gigs is crazy |
| 22:03.42 | Hobinheim|afk | oh and i don't have a freakin' dvd drive =( |
| 22:03.58 | Hobinheim|afk | must. prevent. whore upgrade. |
| 22:03.59 | Teomyr | eww |
| 22:04.01 | Kirkburn|afk | 2GB of RAM, yet no DVD drive? |
| 22:04.10 | Hobinheim|afk | hey that two gs was for wow =) |
| 22:04.17 | Hobinheim|afk | it was given to me by my school in 2002 |
| 22:04.18 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 22:04.19 | Zeal | Hobinheim|afk, i can run vista fine on an AMD Athlon XP 2500+, ati 9800 Pro, 1GB RAM. |
| 22:04.21 | Hobinheim|afk | and i also upgraded the card |
| 22:04.28 | Hobinheim|afk | lol 1 gig how do you play wow |
| 22:04.29 | Tuqui-tuqui | I have a tiny question regarding add-on. Im looking for something that will tell me how much damamge my ice shield can take. |
| 22:04.31 | Kirkburn|afk | I have a similar PC to Zeal |
| 22:04.44 | Tuqui-tuqui | or rather how much MORE damage |
| 22:04.45 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, the one i just said? :p |
| 22:04.58 | Hobinheim|afk | Tuqui-tuqui there might be a specialized mod for that, i read recently there's one for power word shield (priests) |
| 22:04.58 | Kirkburn|afk | er, yeah |
| 22:05.01 | Zeal | cos that's not the pc i use, lol. that's my old one :p |
| 22:05.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | :o |
| 22:05.17 | Tuqui-tuqui | you remember the name Hobinheim|afk? |
| 22:05.28 | Tuqui-tuqui | or where to get it? |
| 22:05.30 | Teomyr | Tuqui-tuqui: addons can only guess that amount, though |
| 22:05.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, Vista doesn't take up 15GB |
| 22:05.36 | Tuqui-tuqui | oh :< |
| 22:05.41 | Tuqui-tuqui | .. -.- |
| 22:05.58 | Kirkburn|afk | It's just the recommended space you need to install it. |
| 22:06.00 | Hobinheim|afk | LOL WHAT |
| 22:06.01 | Tuqui-tuqui | nothing worse then seeing 30 sec in your shield, taking on 2-3 mobs... just to see it run out 5 secs later |
| 22:06.07 | Hobinheim|afk | vista: "video card not supported" |
| 22:06.09 | Hobinheim|afk | bitch i have wow |
| 22:06.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Hobinheim|afk, my windows/ folder I just checked it 7.7GB |
| 22:06.34 | Kirkburn|afk | What video card? |
| 22:06.38 | Teomyr | Tuqui-tuqui: remember, when damage is absorbed, you get a combat log message like "XYZ attacks. You absorb all damage." you can't reliably calculate the remaining damage since you don't know exact values :( |
| 22:06.39 | Hobinheim|afk | trying to find out |
| 22:06.41 | Hobinheim|afk | some radeon thing |
| 22:06.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, uh, need a numbe |
| 22:06.52 | Kirkburn|afk | r |
| 22:06.56 | Tuqui-tuqui | ooohhh... gotch Teomyr |
| 22:06.56 | Hobinheim|afk | Radeon X1300 Series |
| 22:07.09 | Tuqui-tuqui | I see... makes sense |
| 22:07.17 | Zeal | hm.. compared to 6.6GB Kirkburn|afk :p |
| 22:07.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, should be supported. What's saying it isn't, Hob? |
| 22:07.21 | Tuqui-tuqui | so best thing to do is just waste extraman in putting up a new shield |
| 22:07.21 | Zeal | which is what my xp is at |
| 22:07.26 | Tuqui-tuqui | meh... those jive turkeys |
| 22:07.30 | Hobinheim|afk | i'm using the upgrade advisor, which i bet is out of date |
| 22:07.33 | Hobinheim|afk | where are you looking? |
| 22:07.37 | Hobinheim|afk | ati says supported |
| 22:07.45 | Kirkburn|afk | A new version of the advisor was just released a few days ago |
| 22:07.55 | Zeal | the upgrade advisor gave my X850 and 9800 the ok :s |
| 22:07.56 | Hobinheim|afk | lol really |
| 22:08.15 | Zeal | and this is the old advisor |
| 22:08.16 | Kirkburn|afk | No gfx card is unsupported really, it's just whether or not you can run Aero |
| 22:08.19 | Zeal | before vista beta.. |
| 22:08.36 | equiraptor | "Remember, the Bible is closed source." |
| 22:08.41 | Kirkburn|afk | With a X1300 it could be touch and go |
| 22:08.42 | equiraptor | Some things just make me laugh. :) |
| 22:08.47 | Kirkburn|afk | equiraptor, lol |
| 22:08.55 | Zeal | lol |
| 22:10.07 | Hobinheim|afk | touch and go my butt. it's on the "super fancy cards" section of the wow site |
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| 22:10.22 | Kirkburn|afk | However, the amount of stuff they took out of the Bible is crazy. I think I have a 100+ year old copy of the Apocrypha at home. |
| 22:10.24 | Hobinheim|afk | i made a point to get a fancy card to feed my adiction |
| 22:10.31 | Zeal | stupid you tube.. |
| 22:10.41 | Zeal | i want control of positioning my bg >_< |
| 22:11.31 | Zeal | all it has is repeat (X&Y) or no-repeat (centered horizontally) |
| 22:11.39 | Zeal | i want no-repeat top left : / |
| 22:11.52 | Zeal | or hell. no-repeat botttom right |
| 22:12.10 | Teomyr | no-repeat bottom right? oO |
| 22:12.56 | Kirkburn|afk | What's the problem, Zeal? |
| 22:13.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh right |
| 22:13.19 | Kirkburn|afk | That's strange |
| 22:13.26 | Hobinheim|afk | let us speak the good word. quick, say something nice about resto shammies and destro warlocks |
| 22:13.36 | Hobinheim|afk | two candidates that don't get enough love on my forums |
| 22:13.40 | Zeal | yeah, no-repeat bottom right is classy ;) |
| 22:14.25 | Teomyr | my brother enjoys trolling on the forums |
| 22:14.36 | Teomyr | especially on the druids |
| 22:14.44 | Zeal | destro warlock just as good (bad) as all warlocks. resto shammies are amusing to watch. |
| 22:14.46 | Zeal | hows that? |
| 22:14.50 | Zeal | sorry, best i could do ;) |
| 22:15.06 | Hobinheim|afk | destros run out of mana. none of the warlocks who post like it |
| 22:15.14 | Hobinheim|afk | or they do like it for 3 secs and then have to heal/drink |
| 22:15.37 | equiraptor | Destro warlocks are like mages with slightly different tricks up their sleves, no? |
| 22:15.47 | Hobinheim|afk | affliction, and to a lesser extent demo, are notorious for efficient grinds |
| 22:15.54 | Hobinheim|afk | equiraptor, that's exactly what i think |
| 22:16.01 | Hobinheim|afk | "shadowmage" is the derogatory term i thought up |
| 22:16.07 | Zeal | lol |
| 22:16.16 | Hobinheim|afk | cuz some lock was trolling his own kind. shadowmage was all icould think of |
| 22:16.38 | Hobinheim|afk | i like rooting for the underdog |
| 22:16.48 | Hobinheim|afk | i rooted for demo when no one else would, pre felguard and pre awesome 2.0 talents |
| 22:16.56 | Montagg | Warlock = best soloing class ever. |
| 22:17.03 | Hobinheim|afk | Montagg, you sure? not hunter? |
| 22:17.04 | Zeal | i've been an adamant bm hunter support Hobinheim|afk, i'm with ya ;) |
| 22:17.10 | Hobinheim|afk | joana style +7 elite kiting? |
| 22:17.11 | Zeal | *supporter |
| 22:17.25 | Montagg | Absolutely. |
| 22:17.28 | Hobinheim|afk | why's that |
| 22:17.33 | Zeal | hunter became shit with 2.0 for solo |
| 22:17.40 | Montagg | You don't have to buy a mount, and you're ridiculously good at grinding. |
| 22:17.46 | Hobinheim|afk | if you're affliciton |
| 22:17.50 | Zeal | oom quicker, and pet's regen rate is much much lower. |
| 22:17.58 | Hobinheim|afk | mounts come at a price of purchasing mats and finding someone to do the dungeon with |
| 22:17.59 | Montagg | Which you should be until 70, if you're a lock. |
| 22:18.00 | equiraptor | Warlocks can also solo quests others can't without needing itemms and/or cooldowns. |
| 22:18.07 | Hobinheim|afk | at least hunters get innate runspeed bonuses |
| 22:18.25 | Zeal | with daze, yeah :p |
| 22:18.25 | Hobinheim|afk | wow what are you guys talking about |
| 22:18.27 | Hobinheim|afk | like what |
| 22:18.34 | Hobinheim|afk | what can i solo that you can't |
| 22:18.35 | equiraptor | While my hunter can take out equal level elites, my warlock can *grind* equal level elites, easily. |
| 22:18.56 | Zeal | its the ability to grind solo hob |
| 22:19.20 | Zeal | any class can solo really, its about not having to rely on help to keep going to rest too often :P |
| 22:19.30 | Zeal | *or to rest |
| 22:19.32 | Hobinheim|afk | i thought bm hunters had that in spades |
| 22:19.46 | equiraptor | BM hunters are great at soloing. |
| 22:19.50 | Hobinheim|afk | actually, i don't know that much about hunters and my hunter is only 13 |
| 22:19.51 | equiraptor | Warlocks are just better at it. :) |
| 22:20.06 | Hobinheim|afk | i dunno personally i think my grind pattern is sloppy |
| 22:20.19 | Zeal | as i said. bm hunters go oom quicker than any other spec now, and pet regen rate in general is now equal to a player really |
| 22:20.36 | equiraptor | The thing about hunters is they can still do damage without mana. |
| 22:20.38 | Zeal | unliek before, pet regen was like 1%-100% in a matter for seconds |
| 22:20.39 | equiraptor | Yeah, not as much, but... |
| 22:20.43 | Hobinheim|afk | yeah i didn't really wanna bring it up cuz i thought i didn't have enough data but when i'm oom as a hunter my shots get stupid |
| 22:21.05 | Hobinheim|afk | opening with a mark and arcane is fantastic but if i didn't have the mana to do either, i feel as slow as every other class |
| 22:21.07 | equiraptor | Whereas a warlock doesn't go OOM unless it's dead. |
| 22:21.20 | Hobinheim|afk | i think the perceived quickness in chaining a petattack and loot is nice |
| 22:21.33 | Montagg | Warlocks can't do damage without mana, but they can make back almost as much as they spend if they're smart. |
| 22:21.50 | Hobinheim|afk | how classes live without pets... i dunno... |
| 22:21.52 | Hobinheim|afk | mages... |
| 22:21.55 | Hobinheim|afk | rogues. hate rogues. |
| 22:21.59 | Hobinheim|afk | why would anyone play a rogue |
| 22:22.04 | Hobinheim|afk | what funis there in sneaking around |
| 22:22.07 | equiraptor | Sneakypants is fun! |
| 22:22.13 | equiraptor | Stealing things from mobs... |
| 22:22.22 | Hobinheim|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.26 | equiraptor | It'd be even cooler if you could pickpocket PvP'd players. |
| 22:22.35 | Hobinheim|afk | 30 range and BLAST BLAST BLAST< i've gotten so accustomed to |
| 22:22.40 | equiraptor | Not for anything big, just the junk you get for pickpocketing mobs.... |
| 22:22.55 | Teomyr | how dare you! |
| 22:23.03 | Hobinheim|afk | i just want this work day to end... |
| 22:23.10 | equiraptor | Same |
| 22:23.26 | Hobinheim|afk | crap i ust realized i have an important project due like... last year |
| 22:23.32 | equiraptor | hah, oops. |
| 22:23.33 | Hobinheim|afk | so stay in or take it home... =( |
| 22:23.59 | Zeal | i honestly can't play a mage |
| 22:24.02 | Zeal | tried, i sucked |
| 22:24.05 | Hobinheim|afk | why? |
| 22:24.08 | Teomyr | class test on monday... *sigh* |
| 22:24.11 | Hobinheim|afk | all you gotta do is BLAST and pray for no adds |
| 22:24.21 | Hobinheim|afk | again, speaking well below level 20 |
| 22:24.24 | equiraptor | Blast, frost nova, run back, blast. |
| 22:24.30 | Hobinheim|afk | that running around crap mages do... ugh |
| 22:24.33 | equiraptor | That's pretty much all there is to a mage. |
| 22:24.36 | Zeal | keeping distance and lengthy cast times. i couldn't cope with it. |
| 22:24.41 | Hobinheim|afk | i saw an affliction video today and there was too much moving! |
| 22:24.43 | equiraptor | Just think about where you are and where you run. |
| 22:24.48 | Hobinheim|afk | zeal, what do you play normally |
| 22:24.56 | Zeal | hunter |
| 22:25.00 | equiraptor | Zeal: Spec frost. Use frostbolt. It's not too long, and staying away is much easier. :) |
| 22:25.00 | Hobinheim|afk | nice |
| 22:25.12 | Hobinheim|afk | or use fire and don't let them get that close |
| 22:25.18 | Zeal | though i have given every class a try up to lvl 10 |
| 22:25.20 | Hobinheim|afk | or use arcane and [something nice about arcane] |
| 22:25.21 | Teomyr | i like farming with my affliction warlock |
| 22:25.24 | Zeal | most above lvl 10 |
| 22:25.26 | Hobinheim|afk | i don't think 10 is enough |
| 22:25.27 | equiraptor | You can't always not let them get that close. |
| 22:25.30 | equiraptor | Not with fire. |
| 22:25.34 | equiraptor | With frost, you can. |
| 22:25.37 | Hobinheim|afk | MORE FIYA |
| 22:25.39 | Hobinheim|afk | MO FIYA |
| 22:25.41 | Zeal | mage i played to 19 |
| 22:25.52 | Hobinheim|afk | druid i played to 10 and i already cried |
| 22:25.54 | sancus | frost is $$ for levelling |
| 22:26.01 | sancus | useless for end-game pve |
| 22:26.05 | sancus | and $$ for pvp! |
| 22:26.10 | Hobinheim|afk | i sensed that the amount of micro necessary to play a druid well was too much between shapeshifts |
| 22:26.24 | equiraptor | Druid past 32 doesn't take too much. |
| 22:26.28 | equiraptor | Kitty form, DPS to death. |
| 22:26.33 | Hobinheim|afk | there's an anti-mage trick i learned from the forums |
| 22:26.37 | equiraptor | When your health gets lowish, shift between mobs and heal yourself. |
| 22:26.38 | Hobinheim|afk | for locks |
| 22:26.46 | Hobinheim|afk | cast immolate and then let the mage counter spell you |
| 22:26.47 | Zeal | priest 10, druid 37, pala 35, rogue 21, warlock 12, warrior 14, er.. am i missing a class? |
| 22:26.50 | Hobinheim|afk | then he'll reactively iceblock |
| 22:26.57 | Hobinheim|afk | rev up a shadowspell by the time he wakes up |
| 22:26.59 | Hobinheim|afk | pwned |
| 22:27.12 | Hobinheim|afk | shaman |
| 22:27.16 | Hobinheim|afk | there are nice classes |
| 22:27.22 | Zeal | oh, sham 17 |
| 22:27.23 | Hobinheim|afk | and hunter skip |
| 22:27.32 | Zeal | warlock and sham i didn't enjoy |
| 22:27.32 | Hobinheim|afk | shaman too man....so many buttons |
| 22:27.36 | Hobinheim|afk | totems. up the waaazooo |
| 22:27.49 | Hobinheim|afk | i have another theory that keybinding is important |
| 22:27.57 | Hobinheim|afk | using mark and attack on backtick was nice for my hunter |
| 22:28.04 | Hobinheim|afk | not so nice for my lock since i use that for lifetap |
| 22:28.44 | Maddogz | i cant decide between my hunter, lock, or druid |
| 22:28.47 | Maddogz | raw |
| 22:28.47 | Zeal | it was mainly the totem mechanic i didn't enjoy. the timer lasted far too long for a fight, and pulling back to it was rarely feasable, so it was waste mana or go without most of the time. overkill or underkill.. didn't feel like a balance gameplay mechanic. |
| 22:28.49 | Maddogz | rawr * |
| 22:29.20 | Hobinheim|afk | i hear shamans are the new unpopular class |
| 22:29.24 | Zeal | warlock, i didn't enjoy for similar reasons as mage, yet you were relying on dots even more. |
| 22:29.33 | Hobinheim|afk | which gives me this instinctive itch to roll one again =( |
| 22:29.38 | Montagg | Everyone on the Horde side loves pallies. =c) |
| 22:29.43 | Zeal | rofl |
| 22:29.49 | Teomyr | my affliction warlock is fun to farm with. i have one macro for pet attack, curse of shadows, corruption, immolate and wand |
| 22:29.50 | Zeal | well i', playing pala atm |
| 22:29.59 | Zeal | my hunter is resting until xfers open for my server |
| 22:29.59 | Hobinheim|afk | omg whoever invented cast sequence is a god |
| 22:30.04 | Hobinheim|afk | and was absolutely thinking of affliction locks |
| 22:30.11 | Montagg | No, seriously. It's like a godsend. I never hear people complaining about not having tanks for healers anymore. |
| 22:30.12 | Hobinheim|afk | i don't know any class who has such a mindless sequence |
| 22:30.12 | Teomyr | indeed! |
| 22:30.19 | Hobinheim|afk | i mean yeah i've got some spell orders down |
| 22:30.25 | Hobinheim|afk | but none as cut as an affliction lock |
| 22:30.27 | Hobinheim|afk | or locks in general |
| 22:30.44 | Hobinheim|afk | i've stayed away from it for a while, but it's programmed really well, with the dynamic tooltips |
| 22:30.46 | Maddogz | you use shadows, corrupt, and immolate as afflict? that seems quite od... |
| 22:31.01 | Maddogz | i use unstable afflict, agony, corruption, drain life |
| 22:31.03 | Hobinheim|afk | well as affliction you owuld never go out of your way to bolt someone |
| 22:31.10 | Hobinheim|afk | and i haven't gotten high enough to know |
| 22:31.14 | Zeal | palas don't have sequences, but they do have easily predictable combos.. which is why it was a shame for the ability to script those combos was removed. |
| 22:31.17 | Hobinheim|afk | so at level 10 yeah i'm using everything |
| 22:31.18 | Maddogz | the only bolts i toss are the nighfall procs |
| 22:31.22 | Maddogz | oh, at 10 |
| 22:31.23 | Hobinheim|afk | right |
| 22:31.32 | Maddogz | i didnt catch that |
| 22:31.40 | Montagg | Cast sequence? |
| 22:31.41 | Hobinheim|afk | for my pally i have judge -> and... frick i can't remember the name of anything |
| 22:31.46 | Hobinheim|afk | judge -> melee strike buff |
| 22:31.56 | Hobinheim|afk | Montagg, yeah |
| 22:32.26 | Montagg | I dunno... That might make me too lazy. |
| 22:32.28 | Hobinheim|afk | i have a tank order and a dps order (demo has no stand out dots) |
| 22:32.29 | Maddogz | i cant use the sequences, watching chronometer for when the dots expire, its never in the same order |
| 22:32.42 | Hobinheim|afk | soul fire/shadowoblt, immolate, agony, corruption, ooorrrrr...... agony, corruption, immolate |
| 22:32.51 | Hobinheim|afk | Maddogz, for openers |
| 22:32.54 | Hobinheim|afk | it's 90% awesome |
| 22:33.18 | Hobinheim|afk | resists might come into play, but that's far and few between |
| 22:33.20 | Hobinheim|afk | it's really butter |
| 22:33.21 | Maddogz | my lock catches too much aggro as it is, i couldnt ever open with a bolt or soulfire |
| 22:33.22 | Hobinheim|afk | i'm a convert |
| 22:33.34 | Hobinheim|afk | well you open with a bolt if you ARE the tank |
| 22:33.39 | Maddogz | well, yeah |
| 22:33.40 | Hobinheim|afk | affliction, i'm pretty sure you are |
| 22:33.43 | Montagg | UA, Siphon Life, Agony, maybe Corruption, then Drain Life are mine. I start and end all fights with that sequence once through. |
| 22:34.07 | Teomyr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.08 | Hobinheim|afk | obviously sequence is no substitute for manually doing spells |
| 22:34.11 | Maddogz | i use UA, agony, corrupt, maybe syphon life, then drain life, pretty much always |
| 22:34.13 | Zeal | pala: relevent blessing, relevent seal, judge, relevent combo seal, attack, judge, relevent combo seal.. and so on. |
| 22:34.16 | Hobinheim|afk | but it's a GREAT supplement to mindlesslness |
| 22:34.25 | Hobinheim|afk | hahaha |
| 22:34.26 | Teomyr | err, life drain = siphon life |
| 22:34.36 | Montagg | ^Drain Life |
| 22:34.52 | Montagg | Hobinheim|afk: Yeah. I can see where it would be popular. |
| 22:34.57 | Hobinheim|afk | on my opener i did /petattack [nocombat, target=pettarget,noexists], it works wonderfully |
| 22:35.02 | Teomyr | or siphon life? damn, that's what you get for playing with the deDE client |
| 22:35.14 | Maddogz | i only use the second life drain if im running low |
| 22:35.23 | Hobinheim|afk | i can focus my attn on another mob while the pet focuses on the original |
| 22:35.23 | Maddogz | the siphon |
| 22:36.03 | Zeal | i'm still so pissed off about the changes they made to seal of the command. i want the old version back, as it made it so seal of justice can no longer be used in a combo without a significant loss of DPS. |
| 22:36.04 | Maddogz | the lock got kinda boring, consider i push 3,4,5,6,7, rinse, repeat |
| 22:36.18 | Zeal | *as the new version made it so |
| 22:36.56 | Teomyr | i wrote a threat meter addon for my warlock and the pet so i always know how much damage i can do without my voidwalker losing aggro |
| 22:36.57 | Hobinheim|afk | cast sequence will bring you to the promised land |
| 22:37.00 | Montagg | Maddogz: Aren't all classes like that? |
| 22:37.01 | Zeal | basically, there's no longer a combo for seal of justice.. nothing benefits extra from the stun. |
| 22:37.04 | Hobinheim|afk | and by promised landi mean more efficient boredom |
| 22:37.32 | Maddogz | for the most part, but my lock is the worst out of my three 60+'s |
| 22:37.35 | Hobinheim|afk | i had a dream that the world's problems could be solved by cast sequence |
| 22:38.28 | Hobinheim|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.39 | Maddogz | the hunter is probably the most fun for me right now, but i hear theyre extremely difficult to work with in heroics |
| 22:38.56 | Maddogz | i was told almost nobody wants a hunter in thier heroic 5 mans |
| 22:39.35 | Hobinheim|afk | why? |
| 22:39.45 | Hobinheim|afk | UR DOGGY IS A LIABILITY |
| 22:39.50 | *** join/#wowwiki Sky2042 (n=rawsonat@c-24-21-36-57.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 22:39.52 | Hobinheim|afk | AND NO I WON'T HEAL HIM |
| 22:39.57 | Maddogz | well, my guess is that 99% of hunters are morons |
| 22:40.11 | Hobinheim|afk | that's sad, it's such a graceful class |
| 22:40.16 | Sky2042 | ... |
| 22:40.20 | Maddogz | its an awesome class, extremely powerful |
| 22:40.27 | Sky2042 | what have I entered into? =x |
| 22:40.29 | Maddogz | but its also the easiest to be a retard on |
| 22:40.39 | Zeal | yuup |
| 22:40.51 | Maddogz | anyone who figures out PetAttack and Autoshoot can hit 70 |
| 22:40.58 | Zeal | people who don't learn the class properly give hunters a bad name |
| 22:41.28 | Maddogz | http://mad.mischiefsociety.com/wow/1.gif http://mad.mischiefsociety.com/wow/2.gif |
| 22:41.28 | Zeal | even the people who think they are good hunters, often completely ignore their pet and how to manage it |
| 22:41.30 | Maddogz | hunter ui... |
| 22:41.40 | Teomyr | HUNTAR WEAPONZ |
| 22:41.49 | Maddogz | ive watched too many hunter videos, im such a kite junkie |
| 22:41.58 | Hobinheim|afk | sometimes even i slip up with my demons. i feel bad cuz that just reinforces negative stereotypes about pet users |
| 22:43.33 | Maddogz | im happy with that UI, hid all the hotkeys/main toolbars and just got a cooldown counter |
| 22:43.51 | Maddogz | all the stuff on the right only shows when my pet is active |
| 22:44.06 | Zeal | well people often forget, because pet classes have to manage another player essentially, that they need to learn that, and each new situation as it comes along. |
| 22:44.34 | Maddogz | i think all hunters should just be forced to watch dysphoria videos |
| 22:44.37 | Zeal | i can easily forgive a player for screwing up their pet pathing in an instance if they've not doen the instance before for example |
| 22:44.43 | Zeal | but if the repeat, then i bitch at them :P |
| 22:44.53 | Hobinheim|afk | if it's possible to play with no UI, i would |
| 22:44.57 | Hobinheim|afk | or something that fades in and out of comba |
| 22:45.03 | Zeal | lol |
| 22:45.04 | Hobinheim|afk | i hate bulky UIs with el pascion |
| 22:45.15 | Zeal | i don't think wow's is bulky |
| 22:45.23 | Maddogz | i tried to keep mine as clean as i could |
| 22:45.25 | Hobinheim|afk | it's ugly |
| 22:45.26 | Zeal | the one you jsut linekd looks awful and even larger than wow's imo |
| 22:45.58 | Sky2042 | hobin, have you tried the discord mods? suck up memory, but its really easy to make a clean interface with them |
| 22:46.02 | Zeal | i've yet to see an alternative ui i'd want to use. |
| 22:48.01 | Maddogz | zeal, i imagine you as the guy who would never use a vbulletin because PHPbb has everything you need |
| 22:48.08 | Hobinheim|afk | Sky2042, i use bongos |
| 22:48.15 | Hobinheim|afk | man i'm having a craving for chinese food since i'm stuck at work |
| 22:48.17 | Hobinheim|afk | but i'm on a diet =( |
| 22:48.31 | Hobinheim|afk | trying to win an office weight loss competition |
| 22:48.48 | Maddogz | i use bongos for my druid, discord for the rest |
| 22:48.59 | Maddogz | discords selfcast has some problems right now |
| 22:49.17 | Hobinheim|afk | my UI is close to blank as possible, save one bongos bar for feedback and cooldowns, more bongos bars since i play many alts, autobar, petbar, and sometimes i need the map to show |
| 22:49.32 | Zeal | Maddogz, i hate phpbb |
| 22:49.38 | Maddogz | heh =) |
| 22:50.06 | Zeal | vbulletin i like, but ultimately i prefer ipb |
| 22:50.23 | Maddogz | i purchased a vbulletin a few months ago, im in love with it |
| 22:51.13 | Zeal | i've never purchased any |
| 22:51.25 | Zeal | and don't foresee i well, lol |
| 22:51.58 | Maddogz | well, back to my ugly, huge UI i go =) |
| 22:51.59 | Maddogz | cyas |
| 22:52.20 | Teomyr | cya |
| 22:52.26 | Zeal | *i will |
| 22:52.36 | Zeal | lol see ya |
| 22:53.32 | Sky2042 | http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=465253 is my pre2.0 setup |
| 22:53.35 | Sky2042 | :] |
| 22:54.37 | Zeal | i hate any ui that puts the target and player frames over/under/around your char. |
| 22:54.54 | Sky2042 | eh, like the rings mod? |
| 22:55.03 | Teomyr | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/full5106.jpg http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/full5107.jpg |
| 22:55.28 | Sky2042 | creative mod |
| 22:56.14 | Teomyr | i should probably update it for 2.0 :/ |
| 22:56.28 | Zeal | cool, though i've never really had a need for a threat meter |
| 22:56.41 | Zeal | i've been able to gauge it just from experience |
| 22:56.46 | Sky2042 | yee |
| 22:56.49 | Sky2042 | indeed |
| 22:57.06 | Zeal | lol |
| 22:57.36 | Fin | first time today! the first of the day I get free, long established tradition |
| 22:59.28 | *** join/#wowwiki nyox (n=chatzill@p54A24C9B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:02.38 | karat | I wonder if i should write a guide on wowwiki for farmingzg thorium |
| 23:04.10 | Hobinheim|afk | if it's a giude i suggest writing it in your own user page |
| 23:05.06 | karat | really? |
| 23:05.24 | Zeal | new numa, numa hey. new numa, numa hey. numa hey! hey! new numa, numa hey! >_< |
| 23:05.51 | Hobinheim|afk | \o_0/ |
| 23:08.25 | Zeal | haha |
| 23:08.32 | Montagg | Vrei sa pleci dar nu ma, nu ma iei, |
| 23:08.32 | Montagg | Nu ma, nu ma iei, nu ma, nu ma, nu ma iei. |
| 23:08.33 | Montagg | Chipul tau si dragostea din tei, |
| 23:08.33 | Montagg | Mi-amintesc de ochii tai. |
| 23:09.45 | Hobinheim|afk | mai ya hee, mai ya hoh, mai ya hoo, mai ya ha ha |
| 23:11.00 | Teomyr | <-- scared |
| 23:11.13 | Zeal | you shoud be. mwuahahaha! |
| 23:11.23 | Zeal | one of my firends looks like the numa numa guy.. |
| 23:15.40 | Hobinheim|afk | maybe he IS the numa numa guy ^_^ |
| 23:20.32 | Zeal | nah |
| 23:21.12 | Zeal | it's funny because some of us joke about it, but never said anything. and then a random friend of ours he doesn't know, while drunk, said he was the numa numa guy and we burst out laughing |
| 23:23.55 | Zeal | yatta > numa though |
| 23:28.05 | Zeal | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/yatta.php ftw |
| 23:28.10 | Teomyr | i don't know about you, but in this timezone, it's getting pretty late now |
| 23:28.13 | Teomyr | good night! |
| 23:32.04 | Zeal | lol |
| 23:34.03 | Zeal | anyways.. back to dbc definitions i guess.. |
| 23:51.43 | Kirkburn|afk | The R600 has been delayed |
| 23:51.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh nVidia, you lucky bastards |
| 23:56.56 | Kirkburn|afk | The UnderDev is updated! http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/ |
| 23:58.25 | Karrion | "Face Illidan himself!" and lore buffs everywhere cry out in pain ;-) |
