| 00:25.58 | Montagg | On a lighter note, you can see me wrestling a pig here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwjgWUAVxnA |
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| 00:43.24 | Laraul | http://www.nvidiaclassaction.org/files/folders/607/download.aspx |
| 00:43.38 | zeal | we've pointed out flaws in his argument, we've pointed out flaws in his logic, we've pointed out his raging bias. it's up to him now. he either fixes it, or doesn't. if the latter, we ignore him or ban him if he continues. |
| 00:43.43 | zeal | thats how i see it. |
| 00:44.07 | zeal | i don't want to ban him |
| 00:44.18 | zeal | but i doubt ignoring him would work. |
| 00:44.19 | Montagg | Banning I would not prefer, only because he hasn't really hurt anyone or anything. I will censure him soon, if he doesn't clean up his act, but I would not ban him. |
| 00:44.28 | Laraul | Managed to fit over 600 songs (1.3 days of music) on my iPod mini ^^ |
| 00:44.36 | zeal | aye |
| 00:44.41 | Montagg | Go Laraul ! |
| 00:44.54 | zeal | i've still got Laraul on ignore >_> |
| 00:45.09 | Montagg | No more spam. =c) |
| 00:45.26 | Montagg | Is it just me or is the Voidheart set lacking> |
| 00:45.35 | zeal | there we go, unignored |
| 00:45.41 | zeal | no idea, heh |
| 00:45.49 | Laraul | *no comment* |
| 00:46.10 | Montagg | I love how it looks, but as an afflic lock, I'm disconcerted. |
| 00:51.04 | Laraul | Hmm... if I was able to fit over a days worth of music on a 1GB flash drive... honestly why would anyone need an 80GB iPod (unless you use it for video) |
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| 01:00.45 | zeal | because people like to put their entire collections on there, not just their favs? |
| 01:05.24 | Zeal | Kirkburn |
| 01:05.29 | Zeal | zangarmarsh lore show |
| 01:12.53 | Kirkburn | k |
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| 01:35.34 | Zeal | bah |
| 01:35.38 | Zeal | onyl really caught the end of it |
| 01:35.51 | Zeal | enough to correct people on their lore >_> |
| 01:36.00 | Zeal | lol |
| 01:37.55 | Kirkburn | I changed "Light still travels in waves" on the physics article |
| 01:38.13 | Kirkburn | I think it's probably best not to incite a discussion about quantum physics ... |
| 01:39.24 | Montagg | Maybe, light still behaves the same way in Warcraft? |
| 01:41.09 | sancus | theres a physics article?? |
| 01:41.11 | sancus | .. |
| 01:41.29 | Zeal | ..yes |
| 01:41.36 | Montagg | This poor article. =c) |
| 01:41.55 | Montagg | It's so ridiculous, yet so fascinating. |
| 01:42.01 | Zeal | its a physics article but you don't want to show/explain quantum physics? :S |
| 01:42.27 | Montagg | Well, we don't want to visit anything that's the same in both our world and the Warcraft universe. |
| 01:42.52 | Montagg | So the mindfucking mysteries of quantum physics can remain unspoken of. |
| 01:42.58 | sancus | "These contradictions of classical mechanics could simply be elements of the game design." |
| 01:43.08 | sancus | I can feel my brain imploding |
| 01:44.20 | Montagg | I put a warning regarding that sort of rhetoric on the talk page. |
| 01:46.34 | sancus | I dont see a warning |
| 01:46.40 | sancus | but I havent slept in 32 hours |
| 01:47.21 | Zeal | well that image has no reason to exist now with that caption imo |
| 01:47.37 | Zeal | remove it or revert imo : / |
| 01:48.45 | sancus | "All objects defy physics, such as this gnome warrior." |
| 01:49.49 | Montagg | Hehe. |
| 01:50.06 | Montagg | That image is.. slightly sarcastic. =c) |
| 01:50.30 | sancus | seriously though, talking about how objects defy physics in a game that hardly bothers to run physics calcs at all is a bit lol |
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| 01:51.10 | sancus | that article seems to be confused about whether it's about the GAME or about the warcraft world |
| 01:51.13 | Montagg | The article is less about the game and more about the world itself. |
| 01:51.24 | sancus | then most of that shit should be taken out |
| 01:51.27 | Montagg | Or should be. Like you said, it isn't. |
| 01:51.59 | sancus | no matter what you do, its still going to read slightly absurd, but not much you can do about that |
| 01:52.11 | Montagg | That's why I made User:Montag/Physics to make fun of it. |
| 01:52.34 | sancus | yea I saw that but I didnt really read it |
| 01:52.38 | sancus | because.. focusing eyes.. is hard |
| 01:52.56 | Montagg | However, I do support examining the underlying differences between the way our world works and the way theirs does. For instance, in Warcraft, Space is actually more like the 17th and 18th century notions of space. |
| 01:53.30 | Montagg | Which I think is a cool choice. |
| 01:53.35 | sancus | its like spelljamme |
| 01:53.36 | sancus | + |
| 01:53.38 | sancus | r |
| 01:53.38 | sancus | fuck |
| 01:54.11 | sancus | yeah, spelljammer |
| 01:54.24 | Montagg | Just the idea that planets are floating in some weird shit is fascinating/hilarious. |
| 01:54.34 | Zeal | lol Montagg |
| 01:54.49 | Zeal | i still want death to be explained better.. |
| 01:55.03 | Zeal | ie where spirits go |
| 01:55.19 | Zeal | cos it's seemingly the Twisting Nether, which doesn't make much sense. |
| 01:55.28 | sancus | I CAN FLY MY MOUNT THROUGH THE TWISTING NETHER |
| 01:55.39 | Montagg | Well, your main problem there is that people don't die in WoW, where they DO die in the Warcraft universe. Hence, game limitation. |
| 01:56.04 | Zeal | well i'm not talking about the game :P |
| 01:56.04 | Montagg | Yeah, but that section is. |
| 01:56.19 | Zeal | the bit about twisting nether is from rpg iirc, but that was before retcons to things like hell etc |
| 01:56.46 | Montagg | There is lore evidence for a soul. Lots of it. And you can infer a couple things from how they use souls. |
| 01:57.10 | bleetah | "The only real part of their society who doesn't seem completly evil is the hunters."<< obviously angry ogre hasn't rolled on phat loot against a hunter het |
| 01:57.13 | bleetah | *yet |
| 01:57.15 | Montagg | Souls have some sort of mass, although it's not necessarily physical mass, but they can be manipulated and they can manipulate stuff under the right conditions. |
| 01:57.15 | Zeal | Great Dark = space, Twisting Nether, Elemental Plane, Emerald Dream = alternative/higher planes of existance. |
| 01:57.33 | Montagg | I thought the Twisting Nether was supposed to be the junk between planets, or something. |
| 01:57.51 | sancus | it is in wow |
| 01:58.09 | Zeal | nah, Twisting Nether is parralel to the Great Dark, so it does inerconnect planets, but on a different plane. |
| 01:58.18 | Montagg | Okay. |
| 01:58.41 | Montagg | It might be important to note that the word "nether" means "beneath." |
| 01:58.49 | Montagg | You don't think about that too much in WoW. |
| 01:58.52 | Zeal | didn't know that |
| 01:58.52 | Zeal | cool |
| 01:59.11 | Montagg | Well, if you ever saw Beetlejuice, they always go to the Netherworld (pronounced with a hard "th"). |
| 01:59.16 | Zeal | hm.. what tournements to play at next lan.. |
| 01:59.35 | Montagg | For some reason, WoW pronounces nether like "ether." |
| 02:00.26 | Zeal | Q3 1v1, WC3 1v1 or 2v2/DoW 1v1, UT2K4 4v4 CTF.. |
| 02:00.51 | Montagg | UT. |
| 02:00.57 | Zeal | ether has different pronounciations too ;) |
| 02:01.24 | Montagg | Right. Was referring to the soft "th." |
| 02:01.44 | Montagg | Don't think there's a Twisted Neether. |
| 02:01.51 | Zeal | e-fer, ef-er. ne-fer, nef-er |
| 02:02.32 | Montagg | Stupid english. So limited. |
| 02:02.40 | Zeal | Twisting (be)Ne(a)ther ;) |
| 02:02.55 | Zeal | a? :s |
| 02:02.57 | Zeal | *e |
| 02:03.06 | Zeal | wait.. |
| 02:03.08 | Zeal | a? |
| 02:03.09 | Zeal | bah |
| 02:03.18 | Zeal | yes, a |
| 02:04.36 | Montagg | WoW does have some call-backs to DnD, so it's safe to say planes of existance are in a heirarchy from least to most ordered, with the Twisting Nether being at the bottom in utter chaos. |
| 02:04.57 | Zeal | but i saying Twisting Nef-er |
| 02:05.09 | Montagg | Although traditionally ruled by demons, the Twisting Nether is actually ruled by the Quark, since things can exist at more places than once, have more than one form, and generally exist and don't exist tat the same time. |
| 02:05.55 | Zeal | well previously in lore Twisting Nether had lower realms to it or something |
| 02:06.08 | Zeal | though its likely not the case anymore |
| 02:06.38 | Kirkburn | Oooh, that was a close BG |
| 02:06.45 | Kirkburn | Horde won by 100 points |
| 02:06.47 | Montagg | Could be. Outland exists in the Nether but still maintains a physical form, albeit a bit wrecked. |
| 02:06.49 | Zeal | slowly growing into something that makes more sense now. |
| 02:07.09 | Montagg | It could be in a higher plane within the Nether, or a section of it that isn't complete chaos. |
| 02:08.04 | Zeal | IIRC, all portals connect through the Twisting Nether. ie, if you got stuck, that's where you'd end up. how demons and such can interfer easily with them and be summoned directly without a two-conduit. |
| 02:08.29 | Zeal | in reality, with the Outland being in the Twisting Nether, you'd only need to reopen it from one side, which i suspect what has been done. |
| 02:08.43 | Zeal | where as before, it would require both sides. |
| 02:09.04 | Zeal | *reopen the dark portal |
| 02:09.44 | Montagg | You mean, to travel somewhere, you need to go through the twisting nether, so you need a way in an another way out. But, if you're already there, you just need a way out. |
| 02:13.34 | Zeal | aye |
| 02:13.51 | Montagg | Okay, got it. |
| 02:14.00 | Zeal | though portals aren't consistant in warcraft.. |
| 02:14.16 | Montagg | Mage-created ones? |
| 02:14.16 | Zeal | so i don't evne try to bother with a theory that places an explanation |
| 02:14.29 | karat | I hereby dub this conversation "nerdcraft", which is similar to say "theorycraft", which analyzes the mechanics of WoW, but more like, "Wow, you guys care way, way too much" |
| 02:14.42 | Zeal | well illidan for example, he created portals randomly, which really isn't possible. |
| 02:14.47 | Montagg | Dude, we're always like this. =c) |
| 02:14.55 | Montagg | The whole channel should be #nerdcraft |
| 02:15.01 | Zeal | lol |
| 02:15.10 | Montagg | Yeah. That deal in Frozen Throne was ridiculous. |
| 02:15.31 | Zeal | i gues you could say he was travelling to the nether |
| 02:15.34 | Montagg | That's what we call Deus Ex Machina. |
| 02:15.45 | Zeal | then creating portals from the nether to coem back when he wanted. |
| 02:16.20 | Montagg | He's supposed to be very talented magically, so I suppose it's plausible, but it's definitely not something that was thought out at all. |
| 02:16.43 | Zeal | doesn't 911 fall under that too really? :p |
| 02:16.48 | Zeal | *9/11 |
| 02:17.50 | Thrae | otakucraft |
| 02:18.06 | Zeal | lol |
| 02:18.24 | Zeal | jsut for that.. i'm pulling out AMG theories now.. |
| 02:18.30 | Montagg | Oh no. |
| 02:18.40 | Montagg | "Couch potato craft." I like it. |
| 02:18.58 | Thrae | otakucraft |
| 02:19.51 | Montagg | Otakukurafuto |
| 02:20.25 | Zeal | http://gateway.cjb.net/AMG/Menu_Pages/FAQ.htm |
| 02:20.54 | Zeal | Universal String Theory ftw |
| 02:21.52 | Zeal | *Superstring |
| 02:23.39 | Montagg | I'm happy for people who write fantasy. Get someone obsessed enough about your story and they'll explain away it all for you. |
| 02:25.12 | Zeal | haha |
| 02:56.16 | Kirkburn | Hah, I looked up "warcraft elephant" on google. This is one of the results: |
| 02:56.19 | Kirkburn | "murder annurism tumor pamela anderson naked diablo 2 world of warcraft mexican elephant retire wheelchair arrow pencis stabbing saddle" |
| 02:57.58 | Zeal | O_o |
| 02:58.21 | sancus | that sounds like someone just stuffed in keywords from a most searched for list or something :P |
| 03:03.47 | Zeal | lol, i didn't think of a link between Shattrath and DS9 :p |
| 03:46.57 | Montagg | All right, hourly Ogre update: I've written an exhaustive response to his comments on the Anveena talk page. (They aren't about Anveena, but I'm willing to let that slide temporarily.) I've disproven or called into question all of his points and told him to provide a productive response. I have warned him, however, that if what he provides is not productive, I will move his comments off-page and censor his remaining ones. |
| 03:47.20 | Montagg | He's received a similar warning on Talk:Horde. |
| 03:49.35 | Kirkburn | Oh this is AWESOME: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1741591/ |
| 03:50.12 | Kirkburn | The talk pages are supposed to be about the article anyway :P |
| 03:51.40 | Montagg | Exactly. My tolerance pool is running on fumes at this point. |
| 03:57.18 | Kirkburn | Ding level 10 :P |
| 03:57.45 | Montagg | Shalaa? |
| 03:59.21 | bleetah | goddamn where's that page of translations... 'grats = i couldn't give less of a shit' :P |
| 03:59.54 | Montagg | Heh. |
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| 04:00.11 | bleetah | i SOO should've grabbed it and put in the wiki |
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| 04:10.11 | Zeal | nah bleetah, grtz = i couldn't give less of a shit. grats = i care enough to atleast type this out correctly, evne though it's not the full word. ;) |
| 04:11.09 | bleetah | heh |
| 04:11.17 | Kirkburn | Montagg, yeah, Shalaa |
| 04:11.25 | bleetah | in the guild I'm in, 'grats' = 'stfu we're sick of it being spammed every 10 mins' ;) |
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| 05:17.20 | Kirkburn | Woot level 12 :) |
| 05:21.15 | bleetah | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.31 | bleetah | :P |
| 05:28.34 | Montagg | Anyone have any experience with Mazzle UI? |
| 05:29.06 | Zeal | lol |
| 05:29.34 | Zeal | ok.. well based on what Montagg said, i'm gunna remove all the game related physics and stuff. |
| 05:30.08 | Montagg | Doo it. |
| 05:35.59 | Zeal | done |
| 05:42.42 | Montagg | Awesome. |
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| 05:51.43 | Kirkburn | Think how much nicer it is to ride in a taxi and think how much nicer it is to ride in a taxi than it is to walk, than it is to walk and think how much nicer it is to ride in a taxi than it is to walk. |
| 05:52.13 | Kirkburn | Decipher that sentence. :) |
| 05:52.13 | Zeal | O_o |
| 05:52.29 | Kirkburn | It is completely coherent |
| 05:52.33 | Karrion | I disagree |
| 05:52.44 | Karrion | (with the sentence, not its coherency) |
| 05:52.57 | Kirkburn | Weird fresh air lover :P |
| 05:53.01 | Zeal | to me it just seemed like song lyrics.. |
| 05:53.42 | Kirkburn | Something for a neuroscientist to research: |
| 05:53.52 | Zeal | me? |
| 05:53.54 | Kirkburn | The way we understand the way we understand the way we understand |
| 05:55.30 | Zeal | i think i'd be more of a challange, lol |
| 05:56.30 | Kirkburn | Haha, look at the first result, read what it says: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=okapi&meta= |
| 05:56.32 | Zeal | Kirkburn, you like dream team at al? |
| 05:56.52 | Zeal | The tongue of an okapi is long enough for the animal to wash its eyelids and ... This has led to problems with the okapi population due to the shrinking ... |
| 05:56.54 | Zeal | lol |
| 05:57.00 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 05:57.20 | Zeal | *all |
| 05:57.31 | Kirkburn | Dream Team? Not sure I know it |
| 05:57.47 | Zeal | fictional football team drama on sky one |
| 05:58.06 | Zeal | been around for about 3 years now i think |
| 05:58.09 | Zeal | maybe 4. |
| 05:58.49 | Zeal | i don't really enjoy anything to do with sport, least of all football, but i liked the first few seasons |
| 05:58.58 | Kirkburn | Ah, nah, footie doesn't interest me much, and I only watch Sky for Simpsons/Futurama/etc. :P |
| 05:59.05 | Zeal | though when it came back with a new season last year it's shit imo |
| 06:00.04 | Zeal | the hot women from the daz "whiter than white" ads used to be the manager in it. |
| 06:00.54 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 06:00.59 | Zeal | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Team_%28TV_series%29 |
| 06:02.27 | Kirkburn | I wonder whatever happened to my Amazon order - never got carded, been returned to depot :/ |
| 06:03.03 | Kirkburn | I was all set up to spend my weekend watching the Naked Gun trilogy :( |
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| 06:03.23 | Zeal | :( |
| 06:14.48 | Zeal | hows predictions for this year's april fools going? :p |
| 06:19.30 | bleetah | very well |
| 06:19.35 | bleetah | i predict i'll still be a fool |
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| 06:27.08 | Kirkburn | Woot, bought some prezzies |
| 06:28.06 | Zeal | ooo @ vashj model |
| 06:28.32 | Zeal | i just wish people who take screenshots actually turned up their graphics to full before doing so >_< |
| 06:28.38 | Zeal | lack of aa = fail |
| 06:29.09 | Zeal | low quality textures = double fail |
| 06:34.16 | Kirkburn | "Upon reaching Friendly status, players are officially considered members of the Consortium and given a salary. The salary is a bag of gems at the beginning of every month, given by Gehze at Aeris Landing. Higher reputation with the Consortium yields better and more jewels each month." |
| 06:34.33 | Kirkburn | Now, was this known? |
| 06:34.45 | Kirkburn | Cause I sure as hell didn't know about it |
| 06:37.05 | Zeal | rofl |
| 06:37.06 | Zeal | nice |
| 06:37.35 | Zeal | reminds me of the engineering membership :p |
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| 06:41.47 | Kirkburn | News about the Tides of Darkness book: http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=1228 |
| 06:42.26 | Zeal | new news or the same? |
| 06:42.51 | Kirkburn | Read it? |
| 06:43.18 | Zeal | new news |
| 06:43.22 | Zeal | hehe |
| 06:44.14 | Zeal | though not really anything we didn't already know |
| 06:46.04 | Zeal | "Naaru appear to be made of shards of light rotating around a central axis." shouldn't that be "The Naaru appear to be made of shards of rock, surrounded by light, rotating around a central axis." ? |
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| 06:53.49 | bleetah | to me, they look more like crystals than rocks |
| 06:55.17 | bleetah | and to be honest, I'd at least argue that crystals are a 'higher form' than a rock, and as such I'd kinda expect the Naaru to be... well, higher than a rock ;) |
| 06:58.45 | sancus | Naaru appeared to be made out of glowing crack |
| 06:59.22 | bleetah | well, i was thinking that... but then I realised I was thinking of radioactive buttcheeks so changed my wording |
| 07:05.08 | Kirkburn | Star Wars in 5 seconds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pO3xwifOCc&eurl= |
| 07:06.46 | Zeal | well some sort of mineral |
| 07:07.04 | Zeal | look more like rocks to me, but meh |
| 07:07.12 | Zeal | *rock |
| 07:07.34 | sancus | crack rocks |
| 07:08.15 | Zeal | certainly wouldn't call it crystal. |
| 07:09.30 | kuinkala | grinding rep makes my eyes like this: a87sdao8d'ads |
| 07:09.37 | kuinkala | cant see a shit anymore |
| 07:11.35 | Kirkburn | Back to the Future in 5 seconds - watch these in order :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7Kq-TnX1sg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjwwN2XaTWU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r1mihhtCF8 |
| 07:14.52 | Zeal | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBmbKEVvbjA&NR LotR in 5 seconds ;) |
| 07:14.55 | Zeal | lmao |
| 07:16.25 | Zeal | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq85FXcVz1I the matrix in 5 seconds :p |
| 07:17.29 | Zeal | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxamdS-eJew two towers, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh8GwbEC73E return of the king |
| 07:17.58 | Kirkburn | They're all so awesome! |
| 07:18.05 | Kirkburn | (this is the page of the full list: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=guywiththeglasses ) |
| 07:18.23 | Zeal | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nby3iSBafCo titanic :p |
| 07:18.25 | Zeal | pfft |
| 07:18.31 | Zeal | you spoilt my spam now :9 |
| 07:18.35 | Zeal | *:( |
| 07:18.40 | Kirkburn | heehee |
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| 07:23.26 | Zeal | er.. i should warning people about the batman and robin one.. >_>; |
| 07:23.30 | Zeal | *warn |
| 07:24.39 | Kirkburn | Uh. Yeah. |
| 07:26.18 | sancus | thats hilarious |
| 07:32.06 | Kirkburn | Lol, this is why you should grit the roads in cold weather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WO20ZaijyY&mode=related&search= |
| 07:33.22 | Zeal | Kirkburn, you spend too much time on youtube :p |
| 07:33.38 | Kirkburn | I'm just bored this morning :) |
| 07:34.50 | Zeal | lol |
| 07:34.58 | Zeal | americans crack me up >_> |
| 07:35.00 | Kirkburn | Another of the same vein - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u6u2wlzv40&mode=related&search= |
| 07:35.06 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I know ^^ |
| 07:36.01 | Zeal | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdU2NxGxIDA&NR |
| 07:36.27 | Zeal | rofl @ last card, they are determined to keep going, despite caushing another crash and further damaging other cars.. |
| 07:37.59 | Kirkburn | Lol, yeah, wtf |
| 07:47.57 | Kirkburn | This was randomly linked due to the theme tune sounding like the Wii Sports tune ... however, go to 0:37 and tell me what's wrong: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUS7DYTQ4Ws |
| 07:48.26 | Zeal | wtf @ vv |
| 07:48.28 | Zeal | not pov |
| 07:49.19 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 07:51.47 | Zeal | reverted |
| 07:51.55 | Zeal | he should have read and discussed that first. |
| 07:52.11 | Zeal | had nothing to do with PoV and he was infact wrong. |
| 07:55.56 | Kirkburn | Don't start an edit war, please :) |
| 07:55.56 | Kirkburn | Anyway, to lighten the mood further - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROdADu30ZX0&mode=related&search= |
| 07:55.56 | Kirkburn | This is how an italian "parks" |
| 07:56.07 | Kirkburn | And believe me when I say - it's very very real |
| 07:56.08 | sancus | it's like the tactical nuke of a wiki war |
| 07:56.19 | Zeal | well i hopefulyl won't have to if he simply adds soemthing contrary to what was discussed on the talk page. until he does, he's in the wrong from my pov, and my edit was justified. |
| 07:56.28 | Zeal | lol sancus |
| 07:56.39 | Zeal | Drop article table? ;) |
| 07:57.43 | sancus | that's not a tactical nuke |
| 07:57.48 | sancus | that's a multi-warhead ICBM |
| 07:59.19 | Zeal | ICBM? |
| 07:59.39 | sancus | intercontinental ballistic missile |
| 08:00.28 | sancus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICBM |
| 08:01.20 | Zeal | rofl "They say that women are dumb to drive... this probes it... " that made me alugh the most though |
| 08:03.35 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 08:04.13 | bleetah | sorry, I had to edit that talk page :/ |
| 08:05.05 | Zeal | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr4gfaFuc4k&NR wtf |
| 08:05.19 | bleetah | i'd been itching to poke my finger into angry's grammar eye for some time. his ramblings may have been been more tolerable to me if they'd actually been in English. |
| 08:05.43 | bleetah | so if I've managed to slyly abuse an editor by mistake, I apologise |
| 08:06.13 | bleetah | btw, for those who missed it, as far as the wiki goes, i'm User:Normal |
| 08:08.03 | Zeal | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98OSYYdJ4To think most people have probably seen this on tv |
| 08:08.21 | Kirkburn | Ooh bleetah, bitchy :P |
| 08:09.53 | Zeal | lol |
| 08:10.07 | bleetah | Kirkburn: as soon as people drop adjectives from a sentence, or start using adjectives that are completely wrong, my eyes glaze over when it's an attempt to discuss some nuance on *any* topic... i figure if they're gunna a basic sentence wrong, then I'm prolly gunna misunderstand their debating point anyway |
| 08:10.19 | bleetah | same goes for verbs, nouns, etc. etc. etc. |
| 08:10.32 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I commented on that too :P |
| 08:11.17 | Zeal | ffs.. why does youtube always cut off like half a second of videos : / |
| 08:12.54 | Zeal | omfg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkmKvp83SmI |
| 08:12.58 | Zeal | so was not expecting that |
| 08:16.08 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 08:16.16 | Kirkburn | It's incredible |
| 08:16.47 | Kirkburn | Here's a case of choosing a bad parking spot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60ZRgij1o0M&NR |
| 08:18.41 | Zeal | lol @ tyre |
| 08:19.48 | Zeal | http://youtube.com/watch?v=mWRkLHpskPs not related, just worth linking :p |
| 08:36.31 | Kirkburn | There are some disturbing videos on there |
| 08:37.13 | Kirkburn | Many of them should be shown to new drivers, imo |
| 08:37.41 | Kirkburn | "This is what happens if you driver dangerously - people die." :/ |
| 08:38.34 | Zeal | heh |
| 08:38.47 | Zeal | "failing that, someone catches you on camera and you becoem an internet joke" :p |
| 08:39.02 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 08:39.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Gonna have a nap now, bbl |
| 08:39.41 | Zeal | ffs.. when will people learn a band's refinement of sound and genre != selling out or commercialization |
| 08:40.19 | Zeal | they experiment, their improve. there's a reason why it sounds more commercial, because it's been produced at a better quality and the band are coming together.. |
| 08:40.26 | Zeal | anyways, ttyl Kirkburn|afk :P |
| 08:40.46 | bleetah | nn Kirkburn|afk |
| 08:41.27 | Zeal | don't listen to much tool tbh |
| 08:41.27 | bleetah | i think I reworded it for mod authors when BC came out.. lemme see |
| 08:41.37 | Zeal | give me the jist :p |
| 08:41.44 | bleetah | basically, lead singer got accosted by a fan |
| 08:41.50 | bleetah | fan told him band had sold out |
| 08:42.09 | bleetah | singer tells fan 'we sold out to make our first record, fuckhead, so go jam your opinions up yer ass' |
| 08:42.15 | Zeal | accosted? accused? :S |
| 08:42.25 | bleetah | hassled |
| 08:42.25 | Zeal | haha |
| 08:42.37 | bleetah | he went into some takeaway type shop, fan walked up to him.. something like that |
| 08:42.47 | Zeal | accosted - To solicit for sex. |
| 08:42.48 | Zeal | rofl |
| 08:43.21 | Zeal | kk |
| 08:43.22 | Zeal | sorry, that definition made me laugh |
| 08:43.22 | Zeal | "To approach and speak to boldly or aggressively, as with a demand or request." |
| 08:44.05 | bleetah | hehe |
| 08:44.17 | bleetah | here's the reworded version I banged together for mod authors when BC came out -> http://forgotten.bleeter.org/modder_with_a_penis.txt |
| 08:44.44 | bleetah | it's suprising how few words I really needed to change ;) |
| 08:44.51 | Zeal | Within Tempation's first album is not my cup of tea, and did sound very amatuer like all bads do when they start out. their second, Mother Earth is what got me, celtic undertones with metal and an excellent female singer. Silent Force strayed a little away from it, which i didn't like as much, but the sound of those songs was so much more refined i prefer it. |
| 08:46.25 | Zeal | huh? |
| 08:46.50 | Zeal | and lol @ lyrics |
| 08:49.12 | Zeal | This latest album though.. they seem to have taken a step back to me.. it's refined the sound, but lost all the things that made their music special, the celtic music, the orchestral samples, the flow of the singing and use of the vocalists voice.. all lost. |
| 08:50.42 | bleetah | oh, sorry.. I didn't realise 'mother earth' was a band itself, hence I thought you were not mentioning their specific albums, but rather other bands |
| 08:50.51 | bleetah | I had to cheat and look at amazon ;) |
| 08:52.57 | Zeal | er.. |
| 08:53.01 | Zeal | other way around ;) |
| 08:53.06 | Zeal | i was talking about albums |
| 08:53.07 | Zeal | :P |
| 08:53.32 | bleetah | (07:45:54 PM) ***bleetah shows his age by staring blankly at the mention of these bands' names |
| 08:53.33 | bleetah | :-p |
| 08:53.45 | Zeal | actually, i forget when Enter was, before or after the dance. either way, no difference between the two imo. |
| 08:54.26 | Zeal | and kk, lol |
| 08:54.30 | Zeal | crossed wires ftl |
| 09:21.04 | Zeal | fucking wmp |
| 09:21.09 | Zeal | who said i wanted all my files to be added to the library... |
| 09:27.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Tom Hanks is .... James Bond! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wOcQr-2-pE |
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| 09:44.01 | Zeal | lol Kirkburn|afk, when do you sleep? :p |
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| 10:12.22 | theAZNGUYfromOZ | Hey pplz!! |
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| 10:34.33 | Zeal | heh |
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| 11:48.24 | Zeal | Kirkburn i refer to you to put voidvector in his place if he continues with this physics stuff. if he's not happy it, he should be following the rules, talking about it first and discussing it and taking action on the resolution of it. I'm not going to standby and let him undermine that by constantly reverting what i've done in accordance to the discussion and what was talked about here, the article changes should stand unless |
| 11:48.34 | Zeal | to be invalid, which he has failed to do so far.. |
| 11:48.38 | Zeal | anyways.. sleep now |
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| 12:45.37 | ChrisD | patch and patch notes are up |
| 12:45.44 | ChrisD | (for any night birds like myself) |
| 12:47.39 | pacroon | ChrisD: till what? :) |
| 12:49.58 | ChrisD | until my beloved shadowpriest is again available for nuking :] |
| 12:50.33 | ChrisD | now this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wOcQr-2-pE) was funny |
| 12:52.33 | ChrisD | Players with multiple chat windows will no longer have fixed channels (ie. general, trade) added back to the main chat window every time they log on. |
| 12:52.35 | ChrisD | MY GOD THANK YOU |
| 12:53.30 | pacroon | Hurray |
| 12:53.48 | pacroon | Where do I see the changelog? |
| 12:54.03 | ChrisD | i'm just reading it directly from the patcher |
| 12:54.07 | pacroon | ah |
| 12:55.09 | pacroon | Hmm.. why didnt I get a patch |
| 12:55.29 | pacroon | Guess its not on the EU servers yet |
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| 12:59.13 | Ludith | Hello, i was looking on the wowwiki site and i got a message from someone but, have no idea how to reply. |
| 12:59.35 | pacroon | On your usertalk page? |
| 12:59.48 | Ludith | Yes |
| 13:00.07 | pacroon | Just edit the userpage of the user that wrote in yours :) |
| 13:00.15 | Ludith | Aha, thanks allot :) |
| 13:00.34 | pacroon | Np :) |
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| 13:46.17 | Montagg | Hm. Getting bad data from the tracker using that torrent on the patch mirror page. |
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| 14:52.41 | Montagg | Anyone know what kind of encoding FRAPS uses? |
| 14:57.17 | Teomyr | it uses its own proprietary codec |
| 15:03.00 | Montagg | Boo. |
| 15:03.01 | Tuqui-tuqui | yep own codec |
| 15:03.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | you need Virtual Dub to convert it to an AVI |
| 15:03.11 | Montagg | Any other decent game-recording programs? |
| 15:03.17 | Montagg | That easy to get? |
| 15:03.18 | Tuqui-tuqui | Fraps is the best |
| 15:03.21 | Tuqui-tuqui | its free :) |
| 15:03.27 | Tuqui-tuqui | Virtual Dub that is |
| 15:03.33 | Tuqui-tuqui | Fraps only gives you 30 secs for free :p |
| 15:03.56 | Montagg | Seriously? You can't record longer than 30 second clips? |
| 15:04.01 | Tuqui-tuqui | yep |
| 15:04.10 | Tuqui-tuqui | after 30 seconds it stops recording |
| 15:04.15 | Tuqui-tuqui | but if you record a lot of video |
| 15:04.19 | Tuqui-tuqui | Fraps is worth it |
| 15:04.26 | Tuqui-tuqui | we bough it at the office :D |
| 15:04.33 | Tuqui-tuqui | and upgrades are free too |
| 15:04.37 | Montagg | That's good. |
| 15:05.23 | Montagg | I'm interesting in cutting together some videos at some point, so I might buy it myself. |
| 15:15.50 | Montagg | Angers me that VLC won't play it, though. Is there a fraps codec available for Windows Media Player? |
| 15:17.03 | Tuqui-tuqui | nope |
| 15:17.14 | Tuqui-tuqui | Fraps has its own propietary software :D |
| 15:17.27 | Montagg | Hm. Actually, Windows Media Player seems to play it fine. |
| 15:17.35 | Tuqui-tuqui | hmm... |
| 15:17.39 | Tuqui-tuqui | nvm then XD |
| 15:17.40 | Tuqui-tuqui | rofl |
| 15:21.52 | Montagg | VirtualDub can actually encode to Fraps, interestingly enough... Not sure why you'd want to do that, though. |
| 15:22.26 | Tuqui-tuqui | well remember that not everyone will be able to play your fraps file |
| 15:22.33 | Tuqui-tuqui | its a lot better to encode it into something everyone has |
| 15:22.43 | Montagg | That's what I mean. I don't know why you'd want to encode TO fraps, only FROM. |
| 15:23.05 | Montagg | Fraps proprietary format, I mean. |
| 15:24.47 | Tuqui-tuqui | heh |
| 15:24.55 | Tuqui-tuqui | thats why virtual dub comes in handy |
| 15:25.00 | Tuqui-tuqui | you can even set in and out points |
| 15:25.13 | Tuqui-tuqui | so you DONT have to encode the entire video you recorded |
| 15:25.17 | Montagg | Good for space saving. |
| 15:25.18 | Tuqui-tuqui | you can encode a little piece |
| 15:25.20 | Tuqui-tuqui | yep |
| 15:25.47 | Montagg | It's hard to tell if fraps is higher quality than divx, though. Not sure if I want to keep the fraps files for archival purposes. |
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| 15:26.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | no you do not |
| 15:26.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | Frap files are huge |
| 15:26.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | HUGE |
| 15:26.28 | axxo | HUGE |
| 15:26.30 | Montagg | I suppose high quality pictures aren't as important here. |
| 15:26.33 | Tuqui-tuqui | yep |
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| 15:37.56 | Montagg | Nice. Records to USB drive without any problems. |
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| 16:00.22 | Montagg | inc Adobe Premier and Adobe After Effects. |
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| 16:09.06 | Tuqui-tuqui | ¿? |
| 16:09.18 | Tuqui-tuqui | you planning on adding VFX and edit afterwards? |
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| 16:47.27 | Tuqui-tuqui | ooh :o |
| 16:47.32 | Tuqui-tuqui | where you studying |
| 16:47.39 | Tuqui-tuqui | I studied post-production |
| 17:07.19 | Montagg | Boston University. |
| 17:07.55 | Montagg | I focus mostly on production (want to be a DP), but I figure it's good to know the ins and outs of the rest of the process. |
| 17:08.08 | Montagg | Class time. Later guys! |
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| 18:24.07 | |FF|Im2good4u | i think blizzard should add a new version of "Growl" |
| 18:24.22 | |FF|Im2good4u | it realy looses its efectiveness at level 65+ |
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| 18:29.15 | Tepetkhet | loses |
| 18:29.45 | |FF|Im2good4u | yes |
| 18:56.00 | verxion | so what is new? |
| 18:56.56 | verxion | that much eh? |
| 18:56.57 | verxion | :) |
| 18:57.03 | Tepetkhet | yup |
| 18:57.15 | verxion | so I had a bit -o- time to play the lock over the weekend |
| 18:57.18 | verxion | got her to 25 |
| 18:57.33 | verxion | the drain tanking is sortof odd imho |
| 18:57.54 | verxion | I did some testing on -2 mobs with each of the three pets available |
| 18:58.11 | verxion | though I did the testing at 24 just for the record |
| 18:58.16 | Tepetkhet | -2 mobs? |
| 18:58.24 | verxion | so level 22 mobs |
| 18:58.26 | verxion | while I was level 24 |
| 18:58.29 | Tepetkhet | ah |
| 18:58.36 | verxion | ie, -2 (2 levels below charlevel) |
| 18:58.38 | axxo | you can melee at that lvl and kil em |
| 18:59.00 | verxion | well I used my imp and my VW and got a consistant 12k exp/hour with both |
| 18:59.13 | verxion | the succy actually netted me 13.5k exp/hour |
| 18:59.23 | verxion | which surprised me - I had been lead to believe the imp would be higher dps |
| 18:59.33 | verxion | the problem with the imp was constantly running out of mana |
| 18:59.36 | Tepetkhet | Well, the schools here are dismissing early. |
| 18:59.39 | verxion | (the imp mana I mean) |
| 18:59.46 | verxion | Tepetkhet: snow? |
| 18:59.47 | Tepetkhet | The schools down by my house have already dismissed. |
| 18:59.49 | Tepetkhet | yeah |
| 18:59.52 | verxion | yeah well |
| 19:00.00 | verxion | the global warming is causing snow EVERYWHERE |
| 19:00.08 | verxion | we really REALLY need to do something about global warming |
| 19:00.20 | verxion | if the world gets much more warm it is gonna be another frigging ice age |
| 19:01.00 | axxo | turn of your computer |
| 19:01.02 | axxo | uses too much power |
| 19:01.02 | verxion | heh |
| 19:01.07 | verxion | NEVAH! |
| 19:01.12 | axxo | stfu then :) |
| 19:01.24 | verxion | axxo: for the record, global warming is a frigging myth |
| 19:01.31 | verxion | it just cracks me up how many people believe in it |
| 19:02.25 | Tepetkhet | When I was a kid, I remember snowstorms with drifts so deep that pickup trucks were buried. |
| 19:02.52 | verxion | and now it only goes up to your ankles, right? |
| 19:03.29 | Tepetkhet | If that. |
| 19:03.33 | Tepetkhet | No digging the car out. |
| 19:03.42 | Tepetkhet | Just brushing the windshield off. |
| 19:03.49 | verxion | so global warming IS REAL!!!!!! |
| 19:03.52 | verxion | call the president |
| 19:03.56 | verxion | :) |
| 19:04.01 | Tepetkhet | Oh my. |
| 19:04.04 | Tepetkhet | I think... |
| 19:04.05 | verxion | heh |
| 19:04.08 | Tepetkhet | this is serious. |
| 19:04.20 | Tepetkhet | This channel is being hit with... |
| 19:04.23 | Tepetkhet | sarcasm! |
| 19:04.28 | verxion | NEVAH! |
| 19:04.46 | Tepetkhet | The sarcasm glacier has been melting and will drown this channel soon. |
| 19:04.52 | verxion | excellent |
| 19:04.58 | Tuqui-tuqui | they cancelled my mom's flight |
| 19:05.00 | Tuqui-tuqui | 0.o |
| 19:05.06 | verxion | where from/to? |
| 19:05.11 | Tuqui-tuqui | they say it was the weather but theres nothing outsid |
| 19:05.17 | Tuqui-tuqui | Laguardia - Miami |
| 19:05.22 | verxion | ahh |
| 19:06.08 | verxion | so any locks on? |
| 19:06.53 | Tuqui-tuqui | :D |
| 19:06.56 | Tuqui-tuqui | nvm |
| 19:06.59 | verxion | ? |
| 19:07.01 | Tuqui-tuqui | she transferred to Delta |
| 19:07.07 | verxion | cool |
| 19:07.11 | verxion | glad to hear she got a flight |
| 19:07.12 | Tuqui-tuqui | and skipped a 200 person line 0.o |
| 19:07.15 | Tuqui-tuqui | idd |
| 19:07.37 | verxion | according to the web, the realms are all online |
| 19:07.42 | verxion | any idea how long they were down today? |
| 19:07.43 | Tuqui-tuqui | yep |
| 19:07.49 | verxion | just curious |
| 19:07.51 | Tuqui-tuqui | they said it was til 11 am PST |
| 19:08.02 | Tuqui-tuqui | thats 2 PM my time |
| 19:08.18 | Tepetkhet | They were up early... |
| 19:08.19 | Tepetkhet | Some of them. |
| 19:08.25 | verxion | cool |
| 19:08.30 | Tepetkhet | Around 9:50am Pacific |
| 19:08.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | ooohh :o |
| 19:09.00 | Tuqui-tuqui | good work on Blizzard's part then |
| 19:09.18 | Tepetkhet | 09:38AM <Thor> Realm: Thrall \\ Status: down |
| 19:09.19 | Tepetkhet | 09:51AM <Thor> Realm: Thrall \\ Status: up |
| 19:09.23 | Tepetkhet | yeah |
| 19:09.28 | Tepetkhet | Sometime in between there. |
| 19:09.55 | Tepetkhet | (Timestamp shown is Blizzard time - Pacific) |
| 19:10.03 | verxion | cool |
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| 19:17.55 | verxion | so I am thinking that Improved Curse of Agony is BETTER than Nightfall |
| 19:18.01 | verxion | anyone have thoughts on this? |
| 19:18.38 | verxion | my reasoning is that I get the extra 10% damage ALL THE TIME, whereas I would get a "free" shadow bolt only 4% of the time |
| 19:19.14 | Tuqui-tuqui | I can make water and bread :D |
| 19:19.40 | verxion | so you be a mage |
| 19:19.41 | verxion | :) |
| 19:21.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | idd :D |
| 19:22.21 | Tuqui-tuqui | I can go sheep frost frost CoC blink wand wand wand wand laugh get loot |
| 19:22.46 | Tuqui-tuqui | not necessarily in that order |
| 19:22.56 | Tuqui-tuqui | sometimes its |
| 19:23.00 | Tuqui-tuqui | sheep not work, me die :< |
| 19:23.19 | axxo | verxion: the sb easily outdpses the imp coa |
| 19:23.39 | axxo | well depens on playstyle how many times you get nf procs |
| 19:23.45 | verxion | axxo: that just surprises the hell out of me |
| 19:23.55 | verxion | bear in mind, I am comparing them at my level - 25 |
| 19:24.16 | axxo | imp coa isn't affect by +spell dmg |
| 19:24.17 | verxion | SB is an extra 90 damage 4% of the time |
| 19:24.27 | verxion | imp coa is an extra 60 damage 100% of the time |
| 19:24.44 | axxo | wrong asumtions |
| 19:24.44 | verxion | why on earth would the sb out dps the imp coa? |
| 19:24.54 | axxo | need to compare over time |
| 19:25.24 | verxion | well I grant you - over time |
| 19:25.32 | verxion | but the imp coa costs absolutely NO extra mana |
| 19:25.36 | verxion | and happens 100% of the time |
| 19:25.48 | verxion | the shadow bolt at my level costs 110 mana |
| 19:25.56 | verxion | and as I said, only happens 4% of the time |
| 19:26.13 | axxo | 4% of what |
| 19:26.16 | axxo | 4% means notting |
| 19:26.25 | verxion | axxo: 4% chance of happening when I deal damage |
| 19:26.35 | axxo | no |
| 19:26.43 | axxo | 4%fr om corr and drainlife |
| 19:26.45 | axxo | every tick |
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| 19:27.13 | verxion | "Gives your corruption and drain life spells a 4% chance to cause you to enter a shadow trance state after damaging an opponent" |
| 19:27.20 | verxion | so each tick counts then |
| 19:27.27 | Montagg | verxion: You were asking about locks? |
| 19:27.33 | verxion | Montagg: INDEED! |
| 19:27.43 | Montagg | I saw that you were trying to drain tank at 25. =c) |
| 19:27.44 | verxion | Montagg: I hit level 25, and I am trying to plan for my road to 30 |
| 19:27.52 | verxion | at 24 actually |
| 19:27.58 | verxion | it works well for "-2" mobs |
| 19:28.09 | verxion | I can get from 12k to 13.5k exp/hour depending on pet |
| 19:28.09 | Montagg | I've read that the Drain Life spell isn't really effective until level 30. |
| 19:28.29 | Montagg | But, if you've gotten success from it, great for you. |
| 19:28.40 | verxion | well someone in here was telling me that once I got fel concentration to 5/5 I would be set for drain tanking |
| 19:28.52 | verxion | so I figured I would give it a shot |
| 19:28.58 | verxion | interestingly, the succy worked best for me |
| 19:29.04 | verxion | (while drain tanking) |
| 19:29.36 | verxion | Montagg: I am having a hard time seeing the purpose of siphon life - it LOOKS like it is mainly for mana efficiency PROVIDED that I don't have aggro |
| 19:29.50 | verxion | I say this because as I read it, fel concentration does NOT apply to siphon life |
| 19:30.25 | Montagg | verxion: Siphon Life is a debuff. It slowly takes away health from your target. |
| 19:30.34 | verxion | ohhh |
| 19:30.38 | verxion | so it isn't channeleed! |
| 19:30.40 | verxion | er, channeled! |
| 19:30.47 | verxion | now THAT is killer cool |
| 19:30.49 | Montagg | As an afflic lock, more buffs = good, especially since Imp Drain Life gets a benefit from more affliction debuffs on targets. |
| 19:31.21 | verxion | you mean soul siphon |
| 19:31.23 | verxion | the talent |
| 19:31.25 | verxion | (I am assuming) |
| 19:31.37 | Montagg | Lemme check. |
| 19:31.44 | Montagg | (I forget what the talents are called these days.) |
| 19:31.50 | verxion | no worries |
| 19:31.56 | verxion | I am just trying to make sure I have the right idea here |
| 19:32.08 | Montagg | Yes, Soul Siphon. |
| 19:32.27 | verxion | ok |
| 19:32.31 | verxion | someone had told me it was bugged |
| 19:32.35 | verxion | so I didn't put points into it |
| 19:32.41 | verxion | I shall invest there next |
| 19:32.49 | Montagg | Bugged how? |
| 19:32.59 | verxion | they said it didn't actually provide the increase |
| 19:33.09 | verxion | (bear in mind I have no personal knowledge one way or the other) |
| 19:33.19 | Montagg | No, it does. I have combat text on, and I definitely see an increase in the amount I drain with more buffs. |
| 19:33.38 | verxion | ok, cool |
| 19:34.07 | verxion | now at low levels, how do you rate grim reach? |
| 19:34.13 | verxion | I mean, in a raid, I would ABSOLUTELY want it |
| 19:34.15 | verxion | or for instancing |
| 19:34.22 | verxion | but for grinding I am not sure it would help so much |
| 19:34.29 | verxion | just curious how you think it breaks down |
| 19:34.46 | Montagg | If you have a lot of space to work with, grim reach helps, because it increases the time it takes for the mob to get from your pet to you when you finally gain aggro. |
| 19:35.19 | Montagg | This allows you some free draining time. |
| 19:35.28 | verxion | well for me, my best place to grind is where I can fight a single mob at a time, but they are close together enough that I can INSTANTLY fight the next one as soon as the current one is dead |
| 19:35.46 | Montagg | Well, "close" is relative, because with a larger reach you can pull something farther away. |
| 19:35.55 | verxion | true |
| 19:35.59 | Montagg | It's a toss up, I suppose, but I really like having the range, especially since I PvP with affliction. |
| 19:36.10 | verxion | I haven't pvp'd in WoW yet |
| 19:36.22 | verxion | well, I have been in the bg's for like four hours total |
| 19:36.27 | verxion | so I don't consider that pvping |
| 19:36.52 | Montagg | I'm on a PvP server, so the ability to deal with someone who's far off is helpful. |
| 19:36.55 | verxion | the main purpose of my questions here revolve around grinding |
| 19:36.59 | verxion | ahh |
| 19:37.03 | verxion | that would make a ton of sense to me |
| 19:37.10 | verxion | but I am on a pve server |
| 19:37.27 | Montagg | But let me describe my post-30 build to you so you get an idea what you can consider. |
| 19:37.33 | verxion | so I am thinking next two points in soul siphon |
| 19:37.56 | verxion | and then 2 points in either grim reach, nightfall, or improved curse of agony |
| 19:38.00 | Montagg | Basically, the only affliction talents I have no points in at all are: Improved Drain Soul, Improve Curse of Weakness, Shadow Embrace and Malediction. |
| 19:38.08 | verxion | or I could possibly raise suppression from 1/5 to 3/5 |
| 19:38.17 | Montagg | I have one point in Suppression, and the rest are maxed. |
| 19:38.48 | Montagg | Some people value suppression because it means you're not getting resisted as much, and that happens a lot with affliction spells since they're instant cast. |
| 19:39.05 | verxion | yeah |
| 19:39.17 | Montagg | I decided to put more in Empowered Corruption versus Suppression because I have a lot of +shadow and +spell dmg. |
| 19:39.26 | verxion | I am seeing resists when I fight +3's and +4's |
| 19:39.30 | verxion | which I sometimes do for quests |
| 19:39.31 | Montagg | Both increase mana efficiency, just in different ways. |
| 19:40.05 | verxion | yeah, I can see that |
| 19:40.10 | verxion | so me though |
| 19:40.21 | verxion | empowered corruption is the better choice for efficiency |
| 19:40.27 | verxion | because it is going to apply ALWAYS |
| 19:40.42 | verxion | whereas in my personal experience, suppression is only needed and of consequence on higher level mobs |
| 19:41.08 | verxion | now in my case, I have no +spell or +shadow gear at all |
| 19:41.20 | verxion | so I am not putting any points into empowered corruption until end game |
| 19:41.29 | verxion | or at least until I hit 58ish |
| 19:42.02 | Montagg | If you plan on drain tanking, I would recommend starting to collect +shadow and +spell dmg gear now. |
| 19:42.14 | Montagg | It will make your life a hell of a lot easier. |
| 19:42.17 | verxion | by collect, I assume you mean AH |
| 19:42.21 | Montagg | Exactly. |
| 19:42.25 | verxion | cuz I haven't seen any quest rewards. . . |
| 19:42.35 | verxion | well, in a perfect world, that would make a lot of sense |
| 19:42.43 | Montagg | Your goal should be Shadoweave down the line. I gathered the mats and had people make it for me to save money. |
| 19:42.47 | verxion | but I am pretty much saving every dime for my epic flying mount on my main |
| 19:43.29 | Montagg | That's one way to do it, but I've found that you get so much more money in Outland that I'm more interested in getting there first, so spending money now to help level is a good investment for the future. |
| 19:43.52 | Montagg | I mean, people make 100g a day out there, so that's where I plan to make money for my epic flying mount. |
| 19:43.57 | verxion | well more money is one thing |
| 19:44.00 | verxion | 5k gold is another |
| 19:44.01 | verxion | :) |
| 19:44.11 | verxion | I only have 1k now after getting my initial flying mount |
| 19:44.19 | Tepetkhet | I have 5g |
| 19:44.25 | Montagg | Right, bu consider that you're spending perhaps 50g out of that 5k to make leveling a lot faster. |
| 19:44.42 | verxion | possibly |
| 19:44.51 | verxion | normally it seems like good gear is outrageous on AH |
| 19:44.56 | verxion | in my experience anyway |
| 19:45.10 | verxion | ie, if I truly COULD get some good gear for 50g I would probably do it |
| 19:45.19 | Montagg | Gear these days has been more expensive, but shadow damage is severely underpriced for how good it is for warlocks. |
| 19:45.27 | verxion | basically all I did for my lock was buy her bags. Everything else she has done on her own |
| 19:45.37 | verxion | so far, she has earned 15g on her own just by leveling to 25 |
| 19:45.39 | Montagg | It's your call, but in my experience, I've found the investment to be highly worth it. |
| 19:45.53 | verxion | ok, I appreciate your insight, truly I do |
| 19:45.59 | verxion | I shall investigate when I get home from work |
| 19:46.32 | verxion | I haven't chosen professions for my lock yet |
| 19:46.40 | verxion | primarily out of an interest in saving time as I level |
| 19:46.55 | verxion | but if I went tailoring would I actually be able to make +shadow or +spell gear worth a crap? |
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| 19:49.19 | verxion | does a firestone work on a wand btw? |
| 19:49.24 | verxion | I am assuming not |
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| 19:50.14 | verxion | oh |
| 19:50.26 | verxion | Montagg: I was gonna mention - I find Improved Drain Soul to be AWESOME! |
| 19:50.34 | Tuqui-tuqui | Verxion |
| 19:50.38 | verxion | Montagg: I get a free 15% of my mana pool back for every mob I kill |
| 19:50.39 | Tuqui-tuqui | are you PvP or PvE? |
| 19:50.43 | verxion | Tuqui-tuqui: PvE |
| 19:50.49 | Tuqui-tuqui | ahh :D cool |
| 19:51.03 | verxion | why the question? |
| 19:51.05 | verxion | (just curious) |
| 19:51.36 | Tuqui-tuqui | Usually (in my personal experience) a lot of the talk revolving around spells are because people PvP |
| 19:52.06 | verxion | well I find that if I maximize my exp/hour (by whatever means) it makes a MAJOR impact on my leveling time |
| 19:52.11 | verxion | and since I can't level while at work |
| 19:52.18 | Tuqui-tuqui | heh true |
| 19:52.21 | verxion | I tend to research how to maximize dps/hour |
| 19:52.26 | verxion | so that when I get home |
| 19:52.29 | verxion | I make the MOST of it |
| 19:52.29 | verxion | :) |
| 19:52.32 | Tuqui-tuqui | I usually grind an area until I level up because Im looking for a specific item |
| 19:52.39 | Tuqui-tuqui | right now im looking for a whelping |
| 19:52.48 | Tuqui-tuqui | and Ive leveled up from 41 to 46 |
| 19:52.51 | verxion | so you grind for drops |
| 19:52.52 | verxion | interesting |
| 19:52.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | and 47 is coming soon |
| 19:52.58 | Tuqui-tuqui | yeah |
| 19:53.01 | Tuqui-tuqui | like I said beore |
| 19:53.05 | verxion | well I had about six hours yesterday |
| 19:53.09 | Tuqui-tuqui | Ive gotten 100g worth of items from whelps |
| 19:53.11 | verxion | and got from 19 to 25 |
| 19:53.14 | Tuqui-tuqui | nice |
| 19:53.31 | verxion | now part of that was me exploring to open up stupid flight paths |
| 19:53.41 | verxion | which is so annoying because I walk SOOOOO frigging SLOOOOOOOOOOOW |
| 19:54.09 | Tuqui-tuqui | heh |
| 19:54.18 | Tuqui-tuqui | I spent 41 levels walking |
| 19:54.31 | verxion | my main is a hunter |
| 19:54.37 | verxion | which is my only character above 40 |
| 19:54.49 | verxion | when she hit 40, she had the cash to immediately buy a mount |
| 19:55.00 | verxion | and at 60, she had the cash to immediately buy the epic mount |
| 19:55.11 | verxion | and at 70, she had the cash to immediately buy the flying mount |
| 19:55.12 | verxion | but um |
| 19:55.19 | verxion | no such luck with the epic flying mount |
| 19:55.20 | verxion | rofl |
| 19:56.02 | verxion | here we go |
| 19:56.06 | verxion | hands of darkness |
| 19:56.11 | verxion | 145 tailoring skill |
| 19:56.36 | verxion | +9 shadow damage |
| 19:56.45 | verxion | requires level 24 |
| 19:58.00 | verxion | then the next craftable item requires level 29 and it provides +7 shadow damage |
| 19:58.03 | verxion | and 170 tailoring |
| 19:58.22 | verxion | so it LOOKS like tailoring itself is not a good way to get lots of +spell or +shadow damage while I level up |
| 19:59.43 | verxion | then 210 tailoring and level 37 for +21 shadow damage pants |
| 19:59.55 | verxion | I wonder how it works on dots |
| 20:00.04 | verxion | I assume it doesn't apply to each tick |
| 20:00.08 | verxion | just to each spell, right? |
| 20:00.44 | axxo | hard to get better |
| 20:00.51 | verxion | ? |
| 20:01.02 | axxo | +7 at lvl 29 is good |
| 20:01.16 | verxion | but that is only one piece of armor |
| 20:01.24 | verxion | ie, I can't put on a ton of it - just the single piece |
| 20:01.39 | axxo | .. |
| 20:01.50 | axxo | you'd be lucky to have any before lvl 45 at all |
| 20:03.28 | verxion | even from AH? |
| 20:04.17 | axxo | there is very little spelldamage gear in the game before taht |
| 20:04.23 | axxo | unless they added a bunch lately |
| 20:04.24 | verxion | good to know |
| 20:04.42 | verxion | the way Montagg made it sound was that I could just buy a ton of +spell / +shadow damage stuff in the AH |
| 20:08.58 | axxo | lvl 70 ones maybe |
| 20:09.00 | axxo | :o |
| 20:09.05 | verxion | heh |
| 20:09.11 | verxion | well I am thinking perhaps tailor/skinner |
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| 20:10.21 | verxion | Montagg: at level 25, do you think I will find stuff in AH with +spell and +shadow damage on them? |
| 20:10.22 | Montagg | Hey. Sorry about that. Having some trouble with an external drive. |
| 20:10.32 | verxion | Montagg: or will tailoring be a good way to do that? |
| 20:10.52 | Montagg | You'll want shadow stuff from 30 up, mainly to improve Drain Life. |
| 20:11.19 | verxion | Montagg: I was also wondering - +damage applies to an entire spell right, not each tick? |
| 20:11.22 | Montagg | You don't have to go tailoring, since most of the stuff you can make with +shadow is too high in tailoring to be useful early on. |
| 20:11.56 | Montagg | verxion: Yeah. Each dot has its own +damage coefficient, so +damage helps certain spells more than others. |
| 20:12.08 | verxion | oh that's right |
| 20:12.12 | verxion | I remember reading that somewhere now |
| 20:12.49 | Montagg | So, dots that do 300 damage +30 with a coefficient of 10% do 303 damage over X number of seconds. |
| 20:12.59 | verxion | gotcha |
| 20:13.12 | verxion | let me see if I can re-find the page that has the coefficients |
| 20:13.14 | Montagg | By the way, +damage also helps your Life Tap spell. |
| 20:14.28 | verxion | good to know |
| 20:16.11 | Montagg | So, while you're life tapping your health away for mana, you're draining the life of your enemy to get the health back. Once the enemy's dead, you've got mostly full health/mana and can kill the next mob. |
| 20:18.36 | verxion | well the thing I have been using improved drain soul for |
| 20:18.46 | verxion | is a free 15% mana gain after each mob I kill |
| 20:19.00 | verxion | it seems a very very simple and efficient way to keep my mana topped of |
| 20:19.02 | verxion | er, off |
| 20:19.36 | Montagg | I might use that when I get 61 and have Shadowburn, since I'll most likely be draining every soul I can to keep my soulshard count up. |
| 20:20.12 | axxo | you can't shadowburn fast enough to keep up with draining |
| 20:20.25 | axxo | i even use shadowburn as an opener when i grind |
| 20:20.39 | Montagg | What's the cooldown on Shadowburn? |
| 20:20.42 | axxo | 8s |
| 20:20.51 | axxo | or maybe 10 |
| 20:21.03 | axxo | its 15 |
| 20:21.03 | axxo | lol |
| 20:21.44 | Montagg | Yeah. That's once a fight. |
| 20:21.53 | Montagg | Makes sense to open with that. |
| 20:22.17 | axxo | well i usualy pull 3 mobs, ~twice a fight |
| 20:22.24 | Montagg | Okay. |
| 20:22.28 | verxion | axxo - are you demo then? |
| 20:22.33 | axxo | no affliction |
| 20:22.37 | axxo | dp/ruin |
| 20:23.21 | verxion | interesting |
| 20:23.26 | verxion | so shadow burn consumes a shard |
| 20:23.35 | verxion | then you close with drain soul |
| 20:23.38 | verxion | and get a shard back |
| 20:23.39 | verxion | rofl |
| 20:23.50 | axxo | nope |
| 20:23.59 | axxo | a few patches ago you could |
| 20:24.03 | verxion | oh? |
| 20:24.05 | verxion | what happened? |
| 20:24.19 | axxo | you could get 2 shards if you shadowburn & drain soul |
| 20:24.21 | axxo | only 1 now |
| 20:24.23 | verxion | (I am just reading the talents from worldofwarcraft.com) |
| 20:24.31 | Montagg | Do you get one back if you kill with shadowburn? |
| 20:24.38 | verxion | no, what I meant was |
| 20:24.38 | axxo | yea |
| 20:24.49 | verxion | you open with a shadow burn which consumes a shard |
| 20:25.05 | verxion | then you kill the target with drain soul and get the shard back |
| 20:25.11 | verxion | ie, net gain/loss of zero |
| 20:25.34 | Montagg | Hm. Not bad. |
| 20:25.37 | axxo | not sure if you can get a shard without the shadowburn debuff on it still |
| 20:25.56 | axxo | you can't get a shard from drain life with shadowburn debuf on it at least |
| 20:25.58 | verxion | axxo - drain soul gives you a shard REGARDLESS of the shadow burn |
| 20:25.58 | verxion | rofl |
| 20:26.01 | axxo | err drain soul |
| 20:26.07 | Montagg | Nice. |
| 20:26.12 | verxion | oh |
| 20:26.28 | axxo | verxion: not true |
| 20:26.41 | axxo | if you shadowburn and kill it while drain soul |
| 20:26.43 | verxion | well I think if the mob dies and it has BOTH drain soul going AND the shadowburn debuff, you are getting a shard, right? |
| 20:26.47 | axxo | you get the shadowburn shard and no the drain soul one |
| 20:26.58 | verxion | ok, so let me break this down |
| 20:27.03 | verxion | 1. open with shadowburn, consume a shard |
| 20:27.24 | verxion | 2a. close with drain soul, WHILE shadowburn debuff is still there; get shard back |
| 20:27.38 | verxion | 2b. close with drain soul, WITHOUT shadowburn debuff still there; get shard back |
| 20:27.41 | verxion | right? |
| 20:27.53 | verxion | ie, as long as you have drain soul on 'em and get the killing blow you get a shard |
| 20:27.55 | axxo | could be yeah, not sure about it :) |
| 20:28.01 | verxion | I would bet money |
| 20:28.08 | verxion | the thing I see warlocks NOT doing is this |
| 20:28.13 | verxion | if you do NOT recall your pet |
| 20:28.18 | verxion | you can fail to get the final blow |
| 20:28.26 | verxion | which can prevent you getting the free 15% mana back |
| 20:28.29 | Montagg | You don't need the final blow for soul drain. |
| 20:28.31 | verxion | but you get the shard regardless |
| 20:28.34 | Montagg | Not sure about Shadowburn. |
| 20:28.41 | axxo | yea thats only the mana |
| 20:28.44 | verxion | right |
| 20:28.49 | verxion | the 15% mana requires the final blow |
| 20:28.52 | axxo | but using pet = nub |
| 20:28.52 | axxo | :p |
| 20:28.55 | Montagg | Ahh. |
| 20:29.01 | Montagg | Well, not getting that talent. |
| 20:29.19 | verxion | axxo - no, I use my pet, but I take it off the target at the last instant while I soul drain |
| 20:29.24 | verxion | so I get 15% mana back EVERY time |
| 20:29.32 | verxion | so I am never out of mana |
| 20:30.24 | Montagg | verxion: What's your race? |
| 20:30.35 | verxion | blood elf |
| 20:30.40 | Montagg | Okay. Mine too. |
| 20:30.48 | verxion | what level are ya? |
| 20:30.49 | verxion | 70? |
| 20:31.17 | Montagg | No, 48. Still leveling. My other warlock, however, is on a friend's account and is currently at 64 (my friend is using it as his main). |
| 20:31.30 | verxion | ahh |
| 20:31.44 | verxion | well you then should be a killer good person for me to talk to! |
| 20:31.45 | verxion | :) |
| 20:32.01 | verxion | have you primarily been grinding or questing? |
| 20:32.03 | Montagg | Heh. I'd hope so. |
| 20:32.11 | Montagg | A mix, but I've tried to grind whenever possible. |
| 20:32.22 | verxion | well it is depressing |
| 20:32.25 | Montagg | Usually I'll grind in a place where I have three quests I can complete. |
| 20:32.26 | axxo | there is no way grinding can beat smart questing |
| 20:32.33 | verxion | I mean, question from 60 to 70 was -*SO*- rewarding for my hunter |
| 20:32.40 | verxion | that I keep thinking I should quest |
| 20:32.47 | verxion | but there are no rewards of consequence at ALL |
| 20:32.48 | verxion | :( |
| 20:33.00 | axxo | its the best possible xp you can get |
| 20:33.01 | Montagg | Grinding loses its efficiency as you get higher in level. |
| 20:33.11 | verxion | yes and no |
| 20:33.17 | Montagg | I try to grind either in places I have lots of quests, from mobs I can use for tailoring, or for mobs I can use for cooking. |
| 20:33.21 | Tepetkhet | What if you run out of quests to do? |
| 20:33.28 | Montagg | Go somewhere else to grind. |
| 20:33.28 | verxion | it took me one day to grind from 45 to 55 with my hunter |
| 20:33.31 | Tepetkhet | Then you kinda have to grind. |
| 20:33.34 | axxo | then you grind or find an instance |
| 20:33.39 | axxo | latter prefered |
| 20:33.42 | verxion | ie, not a SINGLE quest |
| 20:34.17 | Montagg | That's truly sick. |
| 20:34.17 | axxo | i find that hard to believe |
| 20:34.17 | verxion | axxo - believe it. :) |
| 20:34.20 | verxion | my guild was stunned |
| 20:34.20 | axxo | unless you had full rested xp maybe |
| 20:34.21 | verxion | they watched me level that day |
| 20:34.28 | Montagg | Fill rest XP wouldn't last 10 levels. |
| 20:34.28 | verxion | no, I actually had NO rested xp |
| 20:34.38 | verxion | I leveled my hunter nonstop, never had any rested xp on it |
| 20:34.42 | axxo | i'm assuming he means 1day played |
| 20:34.47 | Montagg | Were you grinding elites? |
| 20:34.50 | verxion | nope |
| 20:34.58 | verxion | I was grinding ogres |
| 20:34.59 | verxion | :) |
| 20:35.07 | axxo | ogres are nice |
| 20:35.14 | axxo | grinded them for 2 days in nagrand |
| 20:35.33 | verxion | yeah, I ground them in badlands |
| 20:35.44 | verxion | and then in searing gorge or whatever the name of that place is |
| 20:36.14 | Tuqui-tuqui | Zaooh |
| 20:36.20 | Tuqui-tuqui | good lot from ogres? |
| 20:36.27 | Tuqui-tuqui | im thinking of grinding ogres for clothing |
| 20:36.34 | Tuqui-tuqui | but I need lvl45-48 |
| 20:36.46 | Tuqui-tuqui | maybe 46-49 |
| 20:36.47 | verxion | the grinding of ogres paid for my epic mount |
| 20:36.48 | verxion | 100% |
| 20:36.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | :o~ |
| 20:36.54 | Montagg | How many hours of play time? |
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| 20:37.02 | Tuqui-tuqui | me? |
| 20:37.07 | verxion | it was one continuous playing session |
| 20:37.10 | Tuqui-tuqui | ahh |
| 20:37.13 | verxion | right at around 24 hours in length |
| 20:37.23 | Tuqui-tuqui | eek! |
| 20:37.25 | axxo | i don't believe you tbh |
| 20:37.35 | axxo | recond of 1-60 is like 5days |
| 20:37.58 | verxion | axxo - I only got from 45 to 55 |
| 20:38.01 | verxion | not from 1-60 |
| 20:38.09 | verxion | I actually SUCKED at getting from 1 to 30 |
| 20:38.09 | axxo | yes i know |
| 20:38.16 | axxo | i can read |
| 20:38.26 | axxo | but if you do 45-55 in 1 day |
| 20:38.30 | verxion | I also ground my last two levels |
| 20:38.36 | verxion | in winterspring - at the lake |
| 20:38.39 | verxion | didn't quest them at all |
| 20:38.47 | verxion | took right at 7 hours per level |
| 20:39.01 | verxion | but in between 55 and 58 I was just lost on what to do |
| 20:39.05 | verxion | couldn't find a good grinding spot |
| 20:39.15 | verxion | went all over looking for good places |
| 20:39.19 | verxion | tried some quests, didn't do well |
| 20:39.25 | verxion | got depressed actually |
| 20:39.39 | verxion | the ride to 55 was SO fast, that I expected the tail end of it to go super fast too |
| 20:39.43 | verxion | it just didn't work out that way |
| 20:40.03 | Tepetkhet | I PvPed 50-60 |
| 20:40.10 | Tepetkhet | Back when it gave exp to turn in marks. |
| 20:40.11 | Montagg | Okay, 24 hours of play time makes more sense. |
| 20:40.29 | bleetah | testing.... 'scuse me |
| 20:40.35 | bleetah | hmm, that works, weird |
| 20:42.09 | Tepetkhet | Alrighty. |
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| 20:44.17 | verxion | so Montagg - at 25, I am currently in stonetalon |
| 20:44.22 | verxion | I guess I should have said I am horde |
| 20:44.27 | verxion | and on a pve server |
| 20:44.47 | verxion | it seems like the harpies and other such mobs in that area are pretty good to grind atm |
| 20:45.15 | verxion | odd thing is, I am missing a ton of quests I remember doing with my hunter |
| 20:45.25 | verxion | like one where I went and got a bunch of courser eyes or some such |
| 20:45.39 | verxion | and also I had to kill 10 billion slimes to get some stupid drop |
| 20:45.48 | verxion | but I haven't gotten either of those quests yet |
| 20:46.04 | verxion | and I -*THOUGHT*- I grabbed all the quests in the area with the flight path |
| 20:46.06 | verxion | (forget its name) |
| 20:46.37 | verxion | actually, I seem to vaguely remember there being some gnome kindof dude down from where the graveyard is that gave me quests |
| 20:46.42 | verxion | I haven't talked to him with my warlock |
| 20:46.44 | verxion | I should go there |
| 20:47.17 | bleetah | testing again |
| 20:47.25 | bleetah | hmph.. oh well |
| 20:48.05 | Tepetkhet | Testing what? |
| 20:48.40 | bleetah | i thought the '.' was broken in this # :-P |
| 20:48.59 | Tepetkhet | Weird. |
| 20:49.20 | bleetah | open source IRC clients.. one can never be too sure about these things... could easily be a display issue, or just the sender not using them |
| 20:50.58 | Kirkburn | FFs, someone messed up the Guild template, moving it all over the shop |
| 20:51.41 | Kirkburn | Moving it back, and gonna protect it |
| 20:56.02 | bleetah | s/Pew/New/ |
| 20:56.04 | bleetah | damnit |
| 21:00.53 | winkiller | nvm, I read Pig Guinea |
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| 21:04.22 | Klug | yoyo |
| 21:05.02 | Tepetkhet | hi |
| 21:11.08 | Tepetkhet | home |
| 21:11.09 | Tepetkhet | later |
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| 21:19.04 | verxion | ok, so apparently CURRENT coefficients are: |
| 21:19.07 | verxion | Corruption: 93% |
| 21:19.07 | verxion | Curse of Agony: 120% |
| 21:19.07 | verxion | Siphon Life: 100% |
| 21:19.07 | verxion | Drain life: 71.5% |
| 21:19.07 | verxion | Drain soul: 215% |
| 21:19.09 | verxion | Curse of Doom: 400% |
| 21:19.12 | verxion | Soulfire: 171% |
| 21:19.14 | verxion | Hellfire: 141% |
| 21:19.17 | verxion | Rain of Fire: 76% |
| 21:19.20 | verxion | Dark Pact: 96% |
| 21:19.22 | verxion | Unstable Affliction: 120% |
| 21:22.51 | verxion | Montagg: you said life tap benefits from +spell / +shadow damage |
| 21:22.55 | verxion | I don't see anywhere that confirms that |
| 21:22.58 | verxion | are you sure? |
| 21:24.00 | Montagg | Absolutely. |
| 21:24.04 | Montagg | Personal experience. |
| 21:24.38 | Montagg | Right now my life tap spell says it takes 302 life and turns it into 302 mana. If I use the spell, it's 504. |
| 21:24.55 | verxion | ok, not to be stupid here |
| 21:25.00 | verxion | but is it 504 DAMAGE |
| 21:25.07 | verxion | or just 302 life taken for 504 mana? |
| 21:25.31 | Montagg | 504 to 504. Always a one to one conversion. |
| 21:25.36 | verxion | ok |
| 21:26.26 | axxo | imp lifetab talent is a must |
| 21:26.52 | verxion | I have 2/2 already |
| 21:27.07 | verxion | but I never use it |
| 21:27.11 | verxion | it is very inefficient |
| 21:27.19 | axxo | you never lifetap? |
| 21:27.23 | verxion | nope |
| 21:27.30 | verxion | it slows my exp/hour considerably |
| 21:27.32 | axxo | stop playing like a mage |
| 21:27.36 | verxion | ?? |
| 21:27.44 | verxion | explain please |
| 21:28.00 | axxo | well it may not mather at lvl 24 |
| 21:28.06 | axxo | so i'll shut up |
| 21:28.11 | Montagg | Just switched around shadow damage gear to confirm. If I put on ALL of my shadow gear, it's 543, so shadow damage definitely affects it. |
| 21:28.19 | verxion | I -*ALWAYS*- measure the exp/hour that a given set of skill/spell uses gives me to optimize for best exp/hour |
| 21:28.33 | verxion | Montagg: ok, cool, thanks for letting me know |
| 21:28.37 | axxo | how are your test periods? |
| 21:28.48 | verxion | axxo - I go for about 30 minutes |
| 21:29.13 | verxion | I find anything under about 15 minutes doesn't capture issues like running out of mana |
| 21:29.17 | verxion | or my pet running out of mana |
| 21:29.27 | verxion | or a spiky good build that has a lot of deferred downtime |
| 21:29.29 | verxion | stuff like that |
| 21:29.37 | axxo | 30 sounds shortish still |
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| 21:29.51 | verxion | well certainly longer periods would yield more accurate results |
| 21:29.52 | axxo | + you'd need the exact same mobs |
| 21:30.20 | verxion | but at the same time you have to remember that at my current level, by the time I tested several methods for an hour each, I would level up! :) |
| 21:30.33 | verxion | axxo - hitting the exact same mobs isn't an issue at all |
| 21:31.04 | verxion | in fact, if (as has happened) I get an unintended add that isn't of the target mob type I am testing with, I will reset and start over |
| 21:31.22 | verxion | for example I was doing some testing yesterday on -4 mobs and got a -1 mob by accident |
| 21:31.27 | verxion | I had to reset |
| 21:31.46 | verxion | (it gave a HUGE short term spike in exp/hour) |
| 21:32.11 | axxo | what spell combos do you use |
| 21:32.37 | verxion | well generally I send the pet in |
| 21:32.53 | verxion | I time my Immolate so that it hits just after the pet taunts |
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| 21:33.23 | verxion | then I hit with curse of agony, corruption, and either wand or drain life depending on what I am doing |
| 21:33.27 | verxion | ie, what I am testing |
| 21:33.37 | verxion | then the instant before the mob dies, I pull the pet off and drain soul |
| 21:33.59 | axxo | that gives you full mana? |
| 21:34.10 | verxion | yeah |
| 21:34.13 | verxion | I stay at full mana |
| 21:34.14 | Montagg | Sounds like it would. Those spells are all cheap. |
| 21:34.17 | axxo | nerf spell cost at 24 then |
| 21:34.18 | axxo | :) |
| 21:34.22 | verxion | heh |
| 21:34.35 | axxo | you'll be lifetappin & drainlife to get mana back later |
| 21:34.36 | verxion | well bear in mind I am ONLY testing my current level |
| 21:34.43 | verxion | I have no clue how it will work at 50 or 60 or 70 |
| 21:35.10 | verxion | life tapping? |
| 21:35.18 | verxion | you think that will become efficient later? |
| 21:35.32 | axxo | better to lifetap+drainlife then wand at least |
| 21:35.33 | verxion | the thing that sucks most imho about life tap is that it triggers the global cooldown |
| 21:35.38 | verxion | I -*HATE*- that |
| 21:35.44 | axxo | lol.. |
| 21:35.47 | axxo | then use any dots then |
| 21:35.51 | axxo | they all trigger it |
| 21:36.01 | verxion | yeah, but since I open with a 1.5 cast |
| 21:36.07 | verxion | and then use two instant casts |
| 21:36.10 | verxion | it isn't as painful |
| 21:36.21 | axxo | heh |
| 21:36.24 | verxion | what -*IS*- painful, even on the instant casts, are resists |
| 21:36.26 | verxion | that SUCKS |
| 21:36.29 | axxo | i'm just gonna call you crazy and go to bed |
| 21:36.37 | verxion | axxo: how so? |
| 21:38.04 | Montagg | Probably in reference to your testing. ;-) |
| 21:38.46 | verxion | heh |
| 21:38.55 | verxion | well, an extra 1k exp/hour can majorly add up |
| 21:39.12 | verxion | when I was leveling from 45-55 I found a killer efficient way to grind |
| 21:39.22 | verxion | I literally had no moment in all that time that I wasn't fighting |
| 21:39.30 | verxion | never died once, never had any downtime |
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| 21:40.04 | verxion | the thing I find disconcerting about my lock |
| 21:40.09 | verxion | is that the succy right now is better dps |
| 21:40.14 | verxion | not by a ton, but better |
| 21:40.20 | verxion | but my survivability with the VW is so huge |
| 21:40.39 | verxion | I have yet to die, even with 12 +3 mobs on me so long as I have a VW |
| 21:41.07 | verxion | I think I need to learn the succy better is what it comes down to |
| 21:41.47 | Montagg | Grah. Gonna be late to class. |
| 21:41.58 | Montagg | Good luck, verxion. Talk to you later. |
| 21:42.05 | verxion | thanks - you too |
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| 22:03.29 | karat | man heroic instances are fun |
| 22:03.34 | karat | everytime I walk through that skull portal I get this giddy feeling |
| 22:13.36 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 22:14.07 | Kirkburn | Hey, awesome! "Microsoft published Windows Dreamscene preview to Vista Ultimate users through the built in auto update feature. So go check it out if you run Ultimate! |
| 22:14.07 | Kirkburn | " |
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| 22:56.55 | Zeal | lo all |
| 22:57.07 | bleetah | heya zeal |
| 23:01.39 | Zeal | lol @ guild template Kirkburn |
| 23:01.54 | Kirkburn | Bloody idiots, that's what they are |
| 23:02.22 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 23:02.52 | Zeal | dreamscene, cool |
| 23:03.00 | Kirkburn | I mean, just how do you manage to make that kind of error |
| 23:03.06 | Kirkburn | Yeah, been testing it out |
| 23:03.16 | Kirkburn | Really really nice |
| 23:03.20 | Zeal | thankfully vv decided not to continue the edit war.. though he didn't bother to reply on the talk page aftwards : / |
| 23:03.46 | Kirkburn | Checking the effect on fps in WoW |
| 23:04.10 | Kirkburn | If I reach 15 fps in Shattrath, all is good :) |
| 23:04.30 | Kirkburn | (not a typo) |
| 23:04.34 | Zeal | ffs.. stupid mpq editor.. |
| 23:04.42 | Zeal | it needs an extra-to option |
| 23:05.27 | Zeal | 15, lol |
| 23:05.39 | Zeal | *extract |
| 23:06.51 | Kirkburn | I get fine fps elsewhere, it's just Shattrath and that damn central light |
| 23:07.26 | Kirkburn | Aha, it paused the Dreamscene when I was in WoW |
| 23:08.41 | Zeal | celver :o |
| 23:08.45 | Zeal | *clever |
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| 23:10.41 | Kirkburn | Aiiironeeeee |
| 23:11.16 | Zeal | O_o |
| 23:11.33 | Kirkburn | lern two spill |
| 23:12.06 | verxion | Kirkburn: ATI card I assume |
| 23:12.11 | Kirkburn | nVidia |
| 23:12.14 | verxion | odd |
| 23:12.20 | verxion | I get 200 fps in shattrath |
| 23:12.31 | verxion | my friend has an ati card and the same system |
| 23:12.33 | verxion | he gets 15 |
| 23:12.44 | Kirkburn | Well, depends on the card and the system |
| 23:12.48 | Kirkburn | I have a 6800 GT |
| 23:13.04 | verxion | mine is 7800GTX which isn't THAT much higher end than the 6800GT |
| 23:13.19 | Zeal | http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/070212.jpg rofl |
| 23:13.47 | Kirkburn | Well there is one oddness - my housemate also has a 6800 GT (but overclocked and a better system) and he gets about double my fps |
| 23:13.54 | Zeal | no, but its far more efficient than the 6800 |
| 23:14.00 | verxion | what resolution? |
| 23:14.04 | verxion | I am running 1920x1200 |
| 23:14.18 | Zeal | i put it down to graphics settings ;) |
| 23:14.22 | verxion | and are you full screen or windowed? |
| 23:14.27 | verxion | cuz windowed mine goes to crap |
| 23:23.14 | Kirkburn | 1280x1024 |
| 23:23.51 | Kirkburn | Ooh, sensible the Dreamscene also turns off when you maximise a window |
| 23:24.40 | Zeal | gg microsoft |
| 23:24.54 | Zeal | not often they do things right and think ahead :P |
| 23:26.37 | Zeal | w/ X850XT PE @ 1280x1024, everything on full except for terrain textures and weather effects. i get about 54fps average i'd say |
| 23:26.48 | Kirkburn | I need a new PC :) |
| 23:27.25 | Zeal | i'm currently extracting common.MPQ so.. everything's slow |
| 23:29.02 | Zeal | flying however is not an enjoyable experience with those settings |
| 23:29.05 | weazer | join the club Kirkburn |
| 23:29.12 | Zeal | it's like -3 fps >_>; |
| 23:29.57 | Zeal | or 3spf if you prefer :P |
| 23:30.29 | Zeal | oo.. the wmv site has a makeover.. |
| 23:30.53 | Zeal | same the ad bar is covering up the content.. gg shit designers |
| 23:31.15 | Zeal | and the bannar is covering up the bar at the top.. |
| 23:31.17 | Zeal | sigh |
| 23:31.21 | Zeal | *banner |
| 23:31.53 | Kirkburn | What wmv site? |
| 23:33.19 | Zeal | wow model view |
| 23:33.22 | Zeal | .org |
| 23:33.24 | Kirkburn | ah |
| 23:33.52 | Kirkburn | lol, yeah |
| 23:34.24 | Kirkburn | Nope, still kinda broken there |
| 23:44.08 | bleetah | heh, had to enable .js for the site, for googlesyndication, *AND* disable adblock to see wtf you guys were on about :P |
| 23:44.24 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 23:44.35 | bleetah | well, maybe didn't *have* to do the first two, but did them before the third |
| 23:44.41 | bleetah | cbf testing more |
| 23:48.53 | Zeal | okay.. :S |
| 23:50.21 | Zeal | new SG1 to watch today, yay. |
