| 00:13.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Yo Zeal |
| 00:13.31 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm off to start attuning for Karazhan |
| 00:14.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Omg, I should tell Ragestorm this |
| 00:14.38 | Kirkburn|afk | (oh bloody hell, I just fell THROUGH the boat) |
| 00:15.33 | Montagg | Fun lore on Karazhan? |
| 00:16.56 | winkiller | http://www.wowwiki.com/There_is_no_cow_level totally lacks "Mulgore *is* a cow level"... |
| 00:19.29 | winkiller | bye |
| 00:19.29 | Kirkburn|afk | See ya |
| 00:19.29 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Ragestorm#On_my_travels... |
| 00:21.16 | Kirkburn|afk | For those confused, read the second paragraph of Rage's talk page up top |
| 00:22.20 | Karrion | heh |
| 00:22.23 | Montagg | Ohh, Ragestorm owned. |
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| 00:33.43 | Zeal | hm.. |
| 00:33.54 | Zeal | lol@User:Kirkburn :p |
| 00:34.10 | Zeal | category that is |
| 00:34.39 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, read the template/wikiproblem issues yet? |
| 00:35.06 | Zeal | did i have that same argument sancus and you had in here or was that elsewhere? :s |
| 00:35.33 | Zeal | either way, i'm with sancus for the most part, the arguement was just silly cos of so many crossed wires :p |
| 00:36.25 | Zeal | as to gsdkp, dunno if the owner fixred it, but i already explained my findings |
| 00:36.53 | Zeal | the links only work if you've typed it directly once per browser session, otherwise it redirects to the site's main page. |
| 00:37.06 | Zeal | *fixed |
| 00:37.29 | Zeal | Teomyr|off, tbh push you javascript more ;) we all want it tbh, lol. |
| 00:37.43 | Zeal | and now i'm going to cook and watch a film, bbl |
| 00:38.33 | zeal | rofl @ outlands |
| 00:39.02 | zeal | Bagginsww, the attempted summon of MurMur caused the bone wastes iirc. |
| 00:39.07 | Kirkburn|afk | (be right with you) |
| 00:39.27 | zeal | though two years seems really off |
| 00:39.59 | zeal | expecially as the shadow council wasn't still around after draenor became outland was it? :s |
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| 00:47.23 | Bagginsww | ahh, ya I got that as much after I finished the quest line |
| 00:47.56 | Bagginsww | Murmur was created on another world in millenias past, and shadow council tried to summon it about 2 years ago |
| 00:49.43 | Bagginsww | aa character says "outlands"? LOL |
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| 01:09.30 | Montagg | Anyone know about a bug with the Vile Poisons talent and rogue poisons? |
| 01:12.57 | Kirkburn|afk | zeal, link to the template/wikiproblem issues ? |
| 01:26.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Omg, my first BG in years |
| 01:46.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Woot, the Eye of the Storm is cool |
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| 02:01.22 | Bagginsww | night elves get disquised as humans |
| 02:01.58 | nemppu | yeah |
| 02:02.04 | nemppu | all horde races get disguised as humen |
| 02:02.31 | Bagginsww | ya, that's what I've heard |
| 02:02.47 | Bagginsww | gnomes better get disquies for hyjal |
| 02:03.23 | bleetah | I've thrown 'all I know' at the Linux Wine entry on the Wiki. Apart from the points mentioned, I really can't think of anything else. |
| 02:16.49 | Montagg | That's odd. Why disguise night elves? |
| 02:16.58 | Montagg | And horde? Pff. |
| 02:18.14 | Kirkburn | Oh, I am *loving* EotS |
| 02:21.08 | Kirkburn | Where do you have in EotS Marks of Honor? |
| 02:21.13 | Kirkburn | *hand |
| 02:21.47 | Kirkburn | Ah, Exodar I think |
| 02:24.38 | bleetah | can't login :( |
| 02:49.33 | Montagg | We have an entry on Wine? Niice. |
| 02:50.52 | bleetah | http://www.wowwiki.com/Linux |
| 02:51.19 | bleetah | yeah, originally it pointed to other sites etc. for info on howto... so I just kinda gathered up what I found and considered 'generic' enough to throw on the page |
| 03:09.37 | Montagg | That'll be useful for a couple people I know. |
| 03:09.46 | Kirkburn | Arg: http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Anveena_Teague#Alignment |
| 03:10.22 | Kirkburn | It's as if he knows Blizzard better than ... Blizzard |
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| 03:32.31 | Montagg | Oh crap. inc valentine's day. |
| 03:32.38 | Montagg | Gotta go get stuff for girl. |
| 03:35.21 | Montagg | I assume a sarcastic comment about blood elves actually being terrorists wouldn't help things along? |
| 03:38.57 | Montagg | Are we too nice? |
| 03:41.36 | bleetah | yes |
| 03:41.50 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 03:42.03 | Kirkburn | See my http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Horde rant |
| 03:42.21 | Montagg | Don't rant with him. Really, it'll just infuriate him more. |
| 03:43.45 | Kirkburn | But it's fun! |
| 03:44.00 | Montagg | I guess. =c) If you like it, go ahead, but it's pretty much worthless conversation at this point. |
| 03:44.15 | Montagg | Like I told Rage, if you don't give him something to respond to, he won't respond. |
| 03:44.27 | Kirkburn | There are so many words I want to describe him with right now, but I'm too nice |
| 03:44.40 | Kirkburn | So I'll just say: F.I. |
| 03:44.42 | Montagg | He describes himself pretty well, I think. |
| 03:44.50 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I saw, but he does go on anyway |
| 03:45.40 | Montagg | He goes on other places. But seriously, if your response is general or nonsensical, he has nothing to say. |
| 03:46.05 | Montagg | If he goes on an evil rant, just say, "Evil is as evil does" and leave it at that. Let him sort it out himself. |
| 03:46.30 | Montagg | However, if you give him points to argue against, he will. |
| 03:51.26 | Kirkburn | Well, I asked him lots of question he'll probably ignore |
| 03:51.35 | Kirkburn | If he does actually answer them, we might get somewhere |
| 03:52.14 | Montagg | Assuming he answers them from the same angle, you won't. |
| 03:52.19 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 03:52.49 | Montagg | Being stupid is one thing. Refusing to change your view in the face of obvious contrary evidence is something else. You can't have a discussion with someone like that. |
| 03:53.29 | Tekkub | you're stupid |
| 03:53.36 | Tekkub | I'm not listening to you anymore |
| 03:55.08 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:55.21 | Tekkub | <--- is stuck at the inlaws after a 12hr shift at work |
| 03:55.28 | Tekkub | I just want to fucking go home |
| 03:55.55 | Montagg | Tell them how good their daughter is in bed. That should get them to send you home. |
| 03:56.15 | Tekkub | I don't know how his sisters are in bed... |
| 03:56.19 | Tekkub | now do I wanna |
| 03:56.39 | Montagg | Ohhh, other inlaws. =c) |
| 03:57.23 | Montagg | ::Laughs.:: This is Angry's response to Fandyllic's argument that, according the RPG book, the Hopes are alligned with a single god: "If theres that makes me an angry ogre its the mistakes in the rpg book." |
| 03:58.35 | Montagg | When one little ogre tries to make a logical point with another little ogre, that makes me an angry ogre. |
| 03:58.39 | Tekkub | *whine* |
| 04:01.11 | Montagg | Wow. I love this Warcraft Universe Physics article. |
| 04:02.34 | Kirkburn | Red and white cell factions .... |
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| 04:04.15 | Kirkburn | Montagg, I wonder how he types the stuff. His mind is racing ahead, not letting his hands keep up. How can you have a sentient conversation when the sentences don't include their object, subject or even verb! |
| 04:05.46 | Montagg | What sentence is that? a the an? |
| 04:06.25 | Zeal | Kirkburn, i type like that |
| 04:06.26 | Zeal | lol |
| 04:07.04 | Tekkub | I'll verb you! |
| 04:07.29 | Tekkub | I'll verb you adjective all night |
| 04:07.34 | Zeal | anyways.. i cba with angry ogre, when someone shows such obvious bias speculation in everything they say as fact, and won't stop, no reason to talk to them. |
| 04:07.40 | Kirkburn | Kinky |
| 04:07.48 | Zeal | i pitty you and ragestorm atm, cos you have little choice but to deal with him : / |
| 04:07.59 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 04:08.08 | Kirkburn | Where *is* Rage, anyway |
| 04:08.17 | Kirkburn | He keeps putting off joining >.< |
| 04:08.27 | Zeal | think he's still got another week to get in here :P |
| 04:08.35 | Montagg | "Night elves have different souls. Night elf souls look like a cloud sphere unlike regular souls. Their souls also move faster." |
| 04:08.45 | Tekkub | ugh, now they've got Blah and Order on |
| 04:08.56 | Kirkburn | Yeah, uh, it could do with some rewriting Montag |
| 04:09.04 | Zeal | tbh, i've never touched wisp since wow.. |
| 04:09.05 | Tekkub | why can't people turn off the damn TV when they're not watching it |
| 04:09.10 | Zeal | *wisps |
| 04:09.24 | Zeal | supposed to be forest spirits, then we get them as night elf spirits.. |
| 04:09.26 | Zeal | bah |
| 04:09.38 | Montagg | I actually think that's funny. I like it how it is. |
| 04:09.39 | Kirkburn | I think I might watch sme Blahttlestar Galactiblah |
| 04:10.10 | Kirkburn | {{silly}}, eh? :P |
| 04:10.28 | Zeal | yet most lore evidence and that outside the players in wow, show night elf spirits as normal spirits >_> |
| 04:10.55 | Zeal | so i question the lore validity of night elf wisps tbh. |
| 04:11.25 | Montagg | No, they exist. They're in Darnassas, and everyone can see them. |
| 04:11.39 | Kirkburn | This is a giant OOPS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4025293.stm |
| 04:11.46 | Montagg | The question is whether or not a night elf's personal perception is true or if everyone else's perception is true. |
| 04:11.52 | Kirkburn | "Pupils were left in tears after a teacher told them that an asteroid was about to hit Earth and kill them all." |
| 04:12.26 | bleetah | the ally quest far east feralas kinda screws with the wisps-as-nightelf tho |
| 04:12.45 | bleetah | yeah, 'coz they're forest spirit wisps there... never really understood ... but then again, never really investigated |
| 04:12.51 | Zeal | they're supposed to be scared forest spirits Montagg, not night elf spirits. |
| 04:13.10 | Zeal | oh bleetah? |
| 04:13.15 | Zeal | got more inof/link? |
| 04:13.15 | Montagg | I suppose you're right. In WC3, it was never clear that they were night elf spirits, explicitely. |
| 04:13.33 | Zeal | in WC3 is was clearly stated they were forest spirits ;) |
| 04:13.48 | Zeal | and lore surrounding WoW says it too. |
| 04:14.03 | Montagg | Although "forest" spirits could just be dead night elves who live in the forest. |
| 04:14.11 | Zeal | possible indeed |
| 04:14.35 | Montagg | But, I'm more likely to agree they're supposed to be some elemental embodiment of the forest. |
| 04:14.37 | Zeal | yet another lore jump wow made for gameplay, with no filler is my guess. |
| 04:15.02 | Montagg | They don't consult the nerds first. Tsk tsk. |
| 04:15.13 | Zeal | lol |
| 04:15.43 | Montagg | Metzen is dangerously close to becoming George Lucas. |
| 04:15.47 | Kirkburn | Oi, bloody wiki, come back here! |
| 04:16.00 | Zeal | until they do a better job of sorting out shadow, i'm still highly biased against it. |
| 04:16.20 | Zeal | same issue i'm seeing with wisps. |
| 04:16.25 | Kirkburn | Oh sod you, wiki, SOD YOU! It works on one PC, but not the other |
| 04:16.32 | Zeal | rofl Kirkburn |
| 04:17.23 | Zeal | restarted your browser? |
| 04:17.23 | bleetah | zeal: I was looking for the quest.. i can't recall the NPC involved, or even it's starting location... |
| 04:17.36 | Zeal | kk, ty anyways :p |
| 04:18.39 | Zeal | Kirkburn, http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Cooking_recipes_page_of_death |
| 04:19.00 | bleetah | zeal: http://www.thottbot.com/?qu=1059 |
| 04:19.20 | Kirkburn | Tried FF and IE |
| 04:19.30 | bleetah | yeah, so basically, you rock on down there, he summons a bunch of forest spirits that are meant to go up to charred vale and beat stuff up |
| 04:19.49 | Zeal | problem, investigated, proven the issue is with conditional template load, suspect its the cause of all the wiki's issues atm as vv suggested before, suggested we upgrade and isntall parserfunctions asap. |
| 04:20.03 | bleetah | but once the summons happens, the spirits bugger off... and as far as I've been able to find, end of storyline |
| 04:20.37 | Kirkburn | Zeal, see the new [[ WoWWiki:Server requests ]] page |
| 04:20.49 | bleetah | brb |
| 04:20.52 | Kirkburn | Add it there |
| 04:21.16 | Zeal | it's already there. i'm saying it is urgent |
| 04:21.57 | Zeal | i can't in good conscience create or suggest templates anymore |
| 04:22.09 | Zeal | as anything i make, will just slow down the wiki and cause more issues. |
| 04:22.34 | Kirkburn | Please, chat to vlad_ / sancus about it, I can't do anything personallu |
| 04:22.36 | Kirkburn | *y |
| 04:24.19 | Zeal | well i was passing it on to you as you havea better rapport with them ;) |
| 04:24.34 | Zeal | from me it probably jsut sounds like yet another user demand on thier busy schedule |
| 04:24.47 | Zeal | ie. nothing will happen :p |
| 04:25.01 | Montagg | This Physics article fascinates me. |
| 04:25.18 | Montagg | I've added a bit on souls. |
| 04:25.26 | Zeal | link Montagg? |
| 04:25.35 | Montagg | http://www.wowwiki.com/Warcraft_Universe_Physics |
| 04:26.09 | bleetah | sweet |
| 04:26.28 | bleetah | i wanna do a wowmovie (comedy) deomstrating some of the wow physics.. but was kinda stuck for some ideas for content |
| 04:27.21 | Zeal | wtf fuck about dragon weight? :S |
| 04:27.26 | Zeal | that's a load of bull |
| 04:27.30 | Zeal | *-fuck |
| 04:27.42 | bleetah | I'm having trouble reading 'souls' section in an article on physics :-s |
| 04:27.51 | bleetah | but I think that's just me personally ;) |
| 04:28.10 | Montagg | Well, in the Warcraft Universe, souls exist, and are therefor governed by some set of rules, i.e. the physics of souls. |
| 04:28.37 | bleetah | heh, the physics of being dead |
| 04:28.40 | Zeal | "it is hypothesized that there are different physics at work in different parts of the universe." er.. that would be twisting nether, it's an alternative plain, not part of the universe, but along side it. |
| 04:28.47 | Montagg | I once read an article on the physics of Time Travel in Chrono Trigger... THAT was crazy. It went into the most explicit detail... It was insane. |
| 04:28.53 | bleetah | 'thou shalt walk on water, but screw you if you wanna float up to that island to recover your body' ;) |
| 04:29.08 | Zeal | i read about time travel in dragonball z |
| 04:29.11 | bleetah | the physics of star tre book is good, as is the physics of discworld |
| 04:29.12 | Zeal | that open my eyes |
| 04:29.28 | bleetah | they're the only 'physics' books I've read (with regard to imagined universes) |
| 04:29.36 | Zeal | and the physics and mythos behind ah my goddess.. that's pwn. |
| 04:29.38 | Montagg | Fictional time travel is a very interesting subject. Because it has to fit into a plot, yet it has to make some sense, although they never get away without contradicting themselvs once. |
| 04:30.09 | Montagg | The funny thing I found was the time travel system in Back to the Future and Chrono Trigger were exactly the same. |
| 04:30.16 | Zeal | well, i've already proven that warcraft didn't cause any issues with WotA ;) |
| 04:30.27 | Zeal | hm.. |
| 04:30.27 | Montagg | Hehe. |
| 04:30.33 | bleetah | fwiw, I seem to recall hearing that a yard in one zone iusn't necessarily the same distance in the next zone.. not sure of specifics |
| 04:30.36 | Zeal | tbh, i was too young to fully follow back to the future :P |
| 04:30.57 | bleetah | as in, the actualy distance a yard is, varies depending on the zone you're in |
| 04:30.58 | Montagg | My note on Malfurion might not be accurate, because when his "soul" gets trapped, he's wandering the Emerald Dream. |
| 04:31.03 | bleetah | or maybe that's just minimap 'yards' |
| 04:31.12 | Kirkburn | Yes, minimap |
| 04:31.22 | Kirkburn | Inside and outside are different |
| 04:31.47 | bleetah | causing all sorts of pain for people putting UI stuff in the minimap ;) |
| 04:33.19 | bleetah | WoW is a great example of the quote from H2G2 'Time is an illusion; lunchtime doubly so' |
| 04:33.21 | Zeal | "The Elemental Planes are not spherical like Azeroth or Outland. They are planar, stretching out to unknown lengths." well that's wrong.. |
| 04:33.37 | Montagg | Yeah. Isn't the elemental plane a plent? |
| 04:33.39 | Montagg | ^planet |
| 04:33.48 | Zeal | a planet or an inversed planet |
| 04:34.09 | Zeal | Bagginsww's knows more about it, though my interpretation is different |
| 04:34.42 | Montagg | Heh. The funny thing about this article is that the physics in the warcraft books need not be the same as in the game, and they might be different from game to game. |
| 04:34.47 | Zeal | and we know the twisting nether has time, that needs to go. |
| 04:34.54 | bleetah | the section on light "Like in real life, visible light travel", I'd change to "Unlike in real life" ;) |
| 04:35.06 | Zeal | the lgiht be confused the hell out of me |
| 04:35.28 | Zeal | *light bit |
| 04:35.33 | Montagg | Might remove the Holy Light from that section, since Holy Light doesn't necessarily have to have anything to do with physical light. |
| 04:36.02 | bleetah | well, you can use it to light up dark areas real briefly if you've targetted a mob :P |
| 04:36.16 | bleetah | and have all yer effects 'n stuff turned on.. no? |
| 04:36.24 | Montagg | Using a holy light spell obviously produces light, but so does a fire spell or an arcane blast. |
| 04:36.45 | Montagg | Holy light is basically just another element. |
| 04:36.53 | bleetah | aye |
| 04:37.17 | Zeal | light i've seen in wow has always followed normal physics |
| 04:37.24 | Zeal | don't recall any slow moving light :s |
| 04:37.52 | bleetah | I haven't really looked, but I don't recall light refracting correctly through bodies of water |
| 04:38.15 | bleetah | and I've yet to see a rainbow, despite the near regularity of it pouring down when I go outside |
| 04:38.19 | Zeal | rofl |
| 04:38.29 | Zeal | yeah, fairly sure neither of those happen. |
| 04:38.46 | Montagg | We might want to add a section about how beings do not have internal organs. |
| 04:38.47 | bleetah | kinda suprised at the first, if it doesn't |
| 04:38.54 | Montagg | They only have a number that dictates how alive they are. |
| 04:39.02 | Zeal | rofl Montagg |
| 04:39.10 | bleetah | some of them do, as they drop their heart/liver etc. |
| 04:39.18 | bleetah | but you are correct, most don't |
| 04:39.51 | Montagg | Those organs could just be manifest on death. |
| 04:40.07 | Montagg | Perhaps based on a some probability. |
| 04:40.29 | Montagg | At what point will this article simply describe the game mechanics? =c) |
| 04:40.44 | Zeal | ok.. so as far as i can see, thel giht bit has no reason to exist, and its the same as rl |
| 04:41.09 | Montagg | Basically. Just an excuse to mention Holy Light. |
| 04:41.30 | Zeal | gunna remove the dragon bit, as they have the propotionate wing span capable of flight afaik, nothing special to mention or theorize. |
| 04:41.40 | Zeal | gunna rewrite time completely.. |
| 04:41.43 | Zeal | fix the plains.. |
| 04:41.48 | Zeal | mention the stuff about wisps.. |
| 04:41.53 | bleetah | African or European dragons? |
| 04:41.54 | Zeal | *planes |
| 04:42.00 | bleetah | and don't forget to suggest coconuts migrate |
| 04:42.07 | Zeal | rofl |
| 04:42.41 | Montagg | The more I think about it, the more I think you really should include a section on how beings in WoW have no internal organs. |
| 04:43.07 | bleetah | 'Biology' hehe |
| 04:43.08 | Montagg | But that might just be too much. =c) |
| 04:43.22 | Zeal | wel lthat's a gameplay mechanic ;) |
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| 04:44.55 | Zeal | see if i can find the old DBZ time theory stuff.. |
| 04:45.03 | Montagg | ==Biology== Beings in Warcraft appear to exist on a linear scale between being fully alive and fully dead. Certain actions decrease this internal number while other actions increase it. Being exposed to certain flavors of the Holy Light seems to increase this number. |
| 04:45.51 | Montagg | While doctors do exist in Warcraft, it is unknown what they operate on, since beings in the Warcraft universe appear to lack internal organs. |
| 04:46.51 | bleetah | 'their sole purpose would appear to teach 1st aid or beat you around the head' |
| 04:49.03 | Montagg | Okay. Biology section added to User:Montag/Physics |
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| 05:01.45 | Kirkburn | Montagg, another Talk:Horde reply |
| 05:01.53 | Kirkburn | This time I didn't hold back |
| 05:02.54 | Kirkburn | I'm out |
| 05:02.57 | Kirkburn | G'night all |
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| 05:04.11 | Montagg | Later Kirkburn. |
| 05:04.16 | Montagg | You guys may enjoy this: http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Montag/Physics |
| 05:04.37 | Kirkburn | Montagg, I just wonder ... am I actually talking to a banana? |
| 05:05.15 | Montagg | wtf? Hat differences being an indication of evil...? |
| 05:05.51 | Kirkburn | Lol, awesome article |
| 05:10.45 | Laraul | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.11 | Zeal | there we go |
| 05:18.17 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, nooo :9 |
| 05:18.21 | Zeal | *:( |
| 05:18.22 | Zeal | nn |
| 05:18.33 | Zeal | oh well, rewrote it now |
| 05:20.41 | Zeal | fyi, the concept of time travel i explained is the one i personally beleive, and happen to be the same one as what DBZ uses ;) |
| 05:22.22 | Montagg | Images added to User:Montag/Physics. Prettification complete. |
| 05:22.32 | Montagg | I'm reading the time section now, Zeal. |
| 05:22.38 | Zeal | lol kk |
| 05:23.12 | Montagg | Whoa. Couple typos. |
| 05:23.19 | Zeal | probably hundreds |
| 05:23.21 | Montagg | "brnaching"? |
| 05:23.28 | Zeal | branching :p |
| 05:24.02 | Montagg | Ahh, I'd forgotten that discussion in The Lat Guardian. |
| 05:24.29 | Zeal | hehe |
| 05:25.05 | Montagg | Cool. Sounds good. |
| 05:25.22 | Zeal | lol bleetah |
| 05:26.06 | Montagg | That particular theory of time travel is the one used in most fictional time travel. |
| 05:26.15 | Zeal | cool |
| 05:26.21 | Zeal | had a feeling it might be |
| 05:26.25 | Zeal | well, more recently i would |
| 05:26.36 | Laraul | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.43 | Montagg | Even so, you'll still see the Grandfather Paradox occasionally, because it's always an interesting plot point to use. |
| 05:26.47 | Zeal | older stuff i'd expect to stick to stick to the more traditional concept |
| 05:27.08 | Zeal | aye.. that's when i'm like "wtf? no!" |
| 05:27.11 | Montagg | Well.. Not really. Any time you want to go back in time to change something, they're still using the alternate dimension idea, because the time traveler always remains unchanged. |
| 05:27.38 | Zeal | well, they just nothing changed him. |
| 05:27.40 | Zeal | but yeah |
| 05:27.49 | Zeal | *just say |
| 05:27.59 | Montagg | Exactly. It's not really thought of. |
| 05:28.17 | Montagg | For instance, in Back to the Future, Marty's hand almost disappears because his parents don't kiss, which is the Grandfather Paradox. |
| 05:28.17 | Laraul | Damn.. I keep having totally unproductive days |
| 05:28.21 | bleetah | heh, time travel... I just point people to Quantum Electrodynamic Theory... that really screws with their minds as it's well known that it's actually going on right now ;) |
| 05:28.41 | Montagg | Yet, later, he wakes up in a different future and notices all the differences, which he wouldn't if the Grandfather Paradox actually held and he were changed as well. |
| 05:28.44 | bleetah | mind you, I have yet to hear of a photon killing it's grandfather |
| 05:28.44 | Zeal | go back in time, stand too far left as you start a fight, all your weapons disapear as you fight.. that would be amusing |
| 05:28.50 | Zeal | just too complex to deal with really. |
| 05:29.25 | Montagg | (One note: Traveling is spelled with one L.) |
| 05:29.43 | Zeal | you learn something everday >_>; |
| 05:29.44 | Zeal | lol |
| 05:29.54 | Montagg | Awesome. All fixed. |
| 05:29.57 | Montagg | Good section. |
| 05:30.18 | Montagg | Yeah, isn't there a One Electron theory? |
| 05:30.28 | Montagg | Something to do with one electron existing everywhere at once because of time travel or something. |
| 05:30.33 | Zeal | well you're all gone too far for me :p |
| 05:30.50 | Zeal | *you've |
| 05:30.57 | Montagg | Well, just in response to bleetah. It's too deep for me, too. |
| 05:31.29 | Zeal | Quantum Leap.. now that's fun :P |
| 05:31.33 | bleetah | to quote Richard Feynmann, the guy who did a lot of the original QED calculations 'If someone says to you they understand QED, they're lying' |
| 05:32.03 | bleetah | so no, i can't explain it ;) |
| 05:32.13 | bleetah | it's just fkn weird, end of story :) |
| 05:32.20 | Montagg | Sounds cool. |
| 05:33.51 | Laraul | Excuse as I smash my head into my monitor |
| 05:34.23 | Zeal | hehe |
| 05:34.37 | Zeal | it did take me a while to get my head round what medivh said |
| 05:35.04 | Montagg | Medivh basically subscribes to the Final Destination theory. |
| 05:35.05 | Zeal | honestly, that's my favorite book of all of the warcraft novels. |
| 05:35.31 | Zeal | we could probably says it was sargeras tbh :P |
| 05:35.37 | Zeal | *say |
| 05:35.42 | Montagg | I love the concepts in that book... But I hated the writing. The only Warcraft book I actually enjoyed the writing was Lord of the Clans. |
| 05:35.53 | Montagg | Possibly. |
| 05:36.04 | Zeal | oh, i loved the writing in it most of all |
| 05:36.18 | Zeal | but LotC, RotH are my second fav. |
| 05:36.21 | Montagg | But, in Final Destination, you're supposed to die, so even if you delay it, it's going to happen eventually. Kind of like the grains of sand being events. |
| 05:36.37 | Montagg | Golden is the best author they have. |
| 05:36.46 | bleetah | QED: Strange Theory of Light And Matter -> http://www.amazon.com/QED-Strange-Princeton-Science-Library/dp/0691125759/ |
| 05:36.52 | Zeal | CoH worst for writing, then WotA series. DotD sits just below the others. |
| 05:37.03 | bleetah | short book, from memory around 100 pages.. and.. ugh, it's all pretty easy going until chapter 3. |
| 05:37.23 | Zeal | Golden's writting is certainly nicer than knaak's, but i prefer grubbs. |
| 05:37.25 | bleetah | which is when everything you thought about the way the world works turns out to be false and it just gets confusing |
| 05:37.39 | bleetah | thoroughly recommended, though |
| 05:37.54 | Zeal | lol bleetah |
| 05:38.03 | Zeal | i'm confused enough in life, i'll pass :p |
| 05:38.38 | Montagg | I once heard a person say that it's equally possible for a bowl to either disappear or flip itself over randomly, but the chance of it happening is so small that it just doesn't. |
| 05:38.46 | Montagg | This was regarding quantum physics. |
| 05:38.55 | bleetah | pretty much |
| 05:39.03 | bleetah | it's just the sum of all the possibilites means it just sits there |
| 05:39.04 | Montagg | So, from then on I basically avoided the subject.= c) |
| 05:39.08 | bleetah | aye |
| 05:40.51 | Zeal | indeed |
| 05:40.59 | Zeal | lol |
| 05:41.40 | Montagg | All right, on that note, going to bed. 'nite fellas. |
| 05:42.10 | bleetah | nn Montagg |
| 05:46.59 | Zeal | nn Montagg |
| 05:54.51 | bleetah | Laraul: please don't ctcp me |
| 06:14.08 | Zeal | nn all |
| 06:18.47 | Laraul | i'm soooo tired... and i can't get myself to fall asleep! *sob* |
| 06:21.33 | Laraul | Oh and listen... if you do not want to be CTCP'd... DISABLE IT! Why the hell do people take it like it's personal? Christ |
| 06:23.45 | Laraul | OMIGOD |
| 06:24.35 | Laraul | I do not know how the hell it did that... was in the god damn other room |
| 06:24.58 | Laraul | I |
| 06:25.47 | Laraul | I've disabled CTCP cuz I don't want that happening again... |
| 06:26.19 | Laraul | I've unloaded the script that was installed too |
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| 08:03.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Laraul, thank you |
| 08:09.36 | zeal | Kirkburn|afk you're fully of lies :( |
| 08:09.43 | zeal | *full :S |
| 08:10.05 | Kirkburn|afk | eh? |
| 08:11.21 | zeal | you're supposed to be in bed |
| 08:21.13 | zeal | oh ffs.. stop telling people they're not eco friendly for leaving pc's on, phones charging, and tv's on standby >_< |
| 08:22.42 | zeal | PCs are designed to stay on if connected online, as are set top boxes.. phones or anything electrical is supposed to be on charge to run of DC when not in use, that way you always have a full battery when you take it, you'd still use the same energy otherwise, you'd just end up with a dead phone, or atleast increase the risk.. |
| 08:23.53 | zeal | and good TVs standby are designed to use very low enegry when on standby, it's done so it can be turned on quicker, keeps the tube/bulbs warm etc.. |
| 08:24.18 | zeal | so sick of hearing this eco-friendly anti-global warming crap.. |
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| 08:39.52 | Kirkburn|afk | zeal, I'm becoming more and more bitter: http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Horde |
| 08:42.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, and http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Anveena_Teague |
| 08:46.44 | Laraul | [Death] [Can I have it?] |
| 08:49.59 | bleetah | i wanna be a biased wiki user! :( |
| 08:50.00 | zeal | lol Kirkburn|afk |
| 08:50.11 | zeal | my sympathy goes out to you |
| 08:50.19 | zeal | but you're still a lier! :p |
| 08:50.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh right, that |
| 08:50.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Couldn't sleep |
| 08:51.30 | Kirkburn|afk | I almost want Angry ogre to blow his top now, just so I can say "You're outta here!" |
| 08:51.55 | zeal | aye |
| 08:51.59 | oam | so Kirkburn|afk .. what's wrong with the viking thingy? *hides* |
| 08:52.02 | zeal | and lol at his new rant topic |
| 08:52.34 | Kirkburn|afk | oam? |
| 08:52.55 | Kirkburn|afk | zeal, what do you mean? |
| 08:53.09 | Kirkburn|afk | "Horde was screwed up world of warcraft" ? |
| 08:53.41 | oam | prob. has? ^^ |
| 08:53.45 | zeal | the bit about anveena's alligiance |
| 08:54.12 | zeal | afaik, we don't know what's happened between Shadows of Ice and Silvermoon's rebuilding. |
| 08:54.21 | Kirkburn|afk | (which I want to change to "Supposed ramblings of an escaped mental patient", but that wouldn't be very PC would it?) |
| 08:54.31 | zeal | we jsut have like one sentance from the belf history |
| 08:54.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh right yes |
| 08:54.52 | Kirkburn|afk | I feel like I've stepped into another world |
| 08:54.57 | zeal | lol |
| 08:55.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Kinda reminds me of Psychonauts |
| 08:55.21 | Kirkburn|afk | oam, what viking thingy?! :O |
| 08:55.22 | zeal | a world of disco dancing pink ogres constantly turning beserker stance on? :P |
| 08:55.31 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 08:55.46 | oam | "What's up with the biblical quote? Vikingkingq" ... :P |
| 08:55.54 | zeal | fucking useless sky! |
| 08:56.08 | zeal | i've gone from writing my cv, to trying to get sky anytime to work.. |
| 08:56.12 | zeal | which it isn't |
| 08:56.26 | zeal | jsut says can't connect to server, try again : / |
| 08:56.35 | oam | rupert is fisting you and you're paying for it ^^ |
| 08:56.42 | zeal | fucking sky site is crap enough.. so buggy. |
| 08:57.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Note that he described the troll model as "half-arsed" ... zeal, that implies something to me |
| 08:57.14 | zeal | my sky profile = no page content, just the layout.. |
| 08:57.16 | zeal | gg sky |
| 08:57.23 | zeal | rofl |
| 08:57.41 | Kirkburn|afk | A worryingly British spelling |
| 08:58.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Did our education system produce that? |
| 08:59.11 | Kirkburn|afk | oam, I recognise the quote, but I do far too much on the wiki to remember where it's from |
| 08:59.21 | zeal | Basically, he's someone who had a loose grasp of the lore, and he felt wow made changes to the horde he didn't like, and tBC was even worse, so he's just made some observations to support his biased claims, made lots of assumptions to bridge the gap, and is now on a quest to make everyone think blizzard screwed up and is now anti-horde.. |
| 08:59.58 | zeal | hard-arsed, heh. |
| 09:00.16 | zeal | i can't change my fucking profile >_< |
| 09:00.19 | zeal | stupid sky.. |
| 09:01.47 | Kirkburn|afk | His views just ... just ... /astound/ me |
| 09:02.07 | Kirkburn|afk | I need a grown-up thesaurus to describe the feelings I have |
| 09:03.03 | zeal | lol |
| 09:04.54 | zeal | http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2007/20070210.jpg ah, the harsh truth.. |
| 09:05.23 | Kirkburn|afk | The thought process: Did you know that some horde flightmasters don't attack alliance players on sight? --> Some flightmasters are traitors to the horde --> Flightmasters are traitors to the horde --> Some flight masters are goblins ---> Goblins are at war with the horde. ---> Orcs are also green. ---> Orcs are having a civil war! ---> Blood elves are causing a civil war! ---> Blood elves are evil. |
| 09:06.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Or his alternate thought process when all else fails: |
| 09:06.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Blood elves are evil. --> Blood elves are evil. --> Blood elves are evil. --> Blood elves are evil. --> Blood elves are evil. --> Blood elves are evil. --> Blood elves are evil. --> |
| 09:07.15 | zeal | haha |
| 09:07.20 | zeal | so true |
| 09:19.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, I'm sooo asking for it - http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Kirkburn#Did_you_know_... |
| 09:24.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyone wanna know how big ATi's R600 may be? http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/2007-02/R600XTX.jpg |
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| 09:35.29 | zeal | O_o |
| 09:35.33 | zeal | not real right? |
| 09:49.53 | zeal | as far as i can tell that's a concept design of a cooler for ati cards :s |
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| 09:50.33 | Adys | Kirkburn|afk : LOL |
| 09:50.42 | zeal | hey Adys |
| 09:50.49 | Adys | heya zeal |
| 09:51.20 | zeal | can only find french articles.. bah |
| 09:51.39 | Adys | try english websites? |
| 09:52.02 | zeal | lol |
| 09:52.10 | zeal | was looking at r600 info |
| 09:52.43 | zeal | but only sites with details of it really, and where this image kirkburn linked a min ago is from, are french sites. |
| 09:54.27 | zeal | http://www.davo.d2.cz/soubory/Gpu/Ati---logo.gif lol |
| 09:57.07 | zeal | http://forum.hardware.fr/hardwarefr/Hardware/Topic-Unique-ATI-AMD-X2800-R600-Actualite-sujet-731971-1.htm adys, translate and sum up :P |
| 09:57.10 | zeal | rofl |
| 09:58.02 | Adys | http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.hardware.fr%2Fhfr%2FHardware%2F2D-3D%2Ftopic-x2900-photos-sujet_731971_1.htm&langpair=en%7Cfr&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools |
| 09:58.06 | Adys | er, wait |
| 09:58.23 | Adys | http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.hardware.fr%2Fhfr%2FHardware%2F2D-3D%2Ftopic-x2900-photos-sujet_731971_1.htm&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools |
| 09:58.27 | Adys | thats more like it :P |
| 10:01.37 | zeal | already doing that :p |
| 10:02.59 | zeal | ok.. so that extra long one is an oem design |
| 10:03.03 | zeal | not retail |
| 10:03.28 | zeal | it's normally only aslong as the 8800 |
| 10:05.39 | zeal | yay for broken english |
| 10:10.56 | zeal | fucking pdf >_< |
| 10:21.58 | zeal | ok, well now i'm really gunna sleep |
| 10:22.04 | zeal | nn Adys, Kirkburn|afk |
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| 10:58.00 | winkiller | hi, sorry for the spam |
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| 14:47.43 | Tuqui-tuqui | ok |
| 14:47.55 | Tuqui-tuqui | I spent all of the weekend farming scalding whelps |
| 14:48.03 | Tuqui-tuqui | I've killed over 900 of those little buggars |
| 14:48.06 | Tuqui-tuqui | gotten countless greens |
| 14:48.12 | Tuqui-tuqui | made over 100 gold selling them |
| 14:48.16 | Tepetkhet | wow |
| 14:48.16 | Tuqui-tuqui | but still no dark whelping -.- |
| 14:48.36 | Tuqui-tuqui | I even leveled from 41 to 46 |
| 14:49.35 | Tepetkhet | Sorry to hear that. |
| 14:49.39 | Tuqui-tuqui | idd =\ |
| 14:49.47 | Tuqui-tuqui | but im not leaving til I get one -.- |
| 14:50.05 | Tuqui-tuqui | good thing is, I turned into an ice mage |
| 14:50.15 | Tuqui-tuqui | and have learned mana management :D |
| 15:08.21 | Bagginsww | well I added a section to bone wastes discussing the earlier existing one shown in Warcraft II. |
| 15:08.29 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Bone_Wastes#Bone_Wastes_.28Warcraft_II.29 |
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| 15:19.42 | Nius | hi all |
| 15:20.49 | Nius | first of all im new to editing a wiki. and while editing the page http://www.wowwiki.com/Armor i realized there mentioned only 8 slots and that the back slot was missing |
| 15:21.06 | Nius | i decided to add it and make the correction from 8 to 9 armor slots |
| 15:22.34 | Nius | but then realized there was no Category:Armor:Back page, so after thinking a while and making a few changes i decided to create a page Category:Armor:Back with a link to Category:Cloaks page where all the cloaks are |
| 15:23.35 | Nius | my question is if the Category:Cloaks page shouldn't be changed to Category:Armor:Back to mantain coherence since all the rest of the armor slots are under Category:Armor:*Slot* |
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| 15:54.32 | Tepetkhet | I'm starting to rethink using Drupal for my CMS. |
| 15:55.10 | Tepetkhet | I also might edit http://www.wowwiki.com/Guild_website_utilities |
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| 15:59.41 | Seracht | Hi |
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| 16:08.17 | Tepetkhet | Hello. |
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| 16:33.24 | Tepetkhet | I think I'll try to install mysql again. |
| 16:33.34 | Tepetkhet | 4.1, 5.0, or 5.1? |
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| 16:39.38 | Montagg | Is it true for fishing that you have a chance to skill up no matter where you fish? |
| 16:39.45 | Hobinheim|work | that's what i heard on the street |
| 16:39.58 | Tepetkhet | Yup. |
| 16:40.00 | Tepetkhet | It's true. |
| 16:40.05 | Hobinheim|work | Murder Row, actually. some guy was wacking another dude with a 17 pound snapper and got some level ups... |
| 16:40.59 | Montagg | Is it the same chance, or should I actually go somewhere else once I get to a certain level? |
| 16:41.25 | Tepetkhet | Same chance, I believe. |
| 16:41.35 | Tepetkhet | But personally, I like to fish for Deviate fish in the Barrens. |
| 16:42.01 | Hobinheim|work | hypothetically, if i was to use a bot, i would hypothetically use it at the orgrimmar pond |
| 16:42.19 | Tepetkhet | Hypothetical, since I don't think you can bot fishing. |
| 16:42.21 | Montagg | I don't know if it's possible to use a bot. It'd have to analyze your screen. |
| 16:42.45 | Hobinheim|work | hypothetically speaking, its been done |
| 16:42.56 | Tepetkhet | Heck, even Fishing Buddy won't work anymore. |
| 16:43.07 | Tepetkhet | I used to have it set up to right-click to cast. |
| 16:43.11 | Tepetkhet | Won't work after 2.0 |
| 16:43.22 | Tepetkhet | bleh |
| 16:44.55 | Hobinheim|work | fishing is so boring and not worth ti |
| 16:45.04 | Hobinheim|work | i've vowed to myself to stop OCD adding it to my alts |
| 16:45.14 | Tepetkhet | I like fishing for deviate fishies. |
| 16:45.20 | Tepetkhet | I like the fishies. |
| 16:45.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | ZI like to fish too :D |
| 16:45.57 | Tuqui-tuqui | its a change from grinding |
| 16:46.28 | Tepetkhet | Sometimes when I'm chatting. |
| 16:46.45 | Montagg | I'm sticking to cities, if I can, so I can gain some rest XP while I do it. |
| 16:46.53 | Tepetkhet | Ah, right. |
| 16:47.46 | Tuqui-tuqui | true |
| 16:47.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | you can fish inside UC :D |
| 16:47.56 | Montagg | I'm doing it for the awesome cooking recipes in Outland. |
| 16:48.14 | Montagg | Poached Bluefish = 23 spell damage. |
| 16:48.23 | Tuqui-tuqui | :o |
| 16:48.28 | Tuqui-tuqui | how long does that last |
| 16:48.39 | Montagg | 15m. I think it's like a normal Well Fed buff. |
| 16:48.50 | Tuqui-tuqui | sounds really REALLY nice |
| 16:48.56 | Tuqui-tuqui | how much does it cost to make |
| 16:49.02 | Tuqui-tuqui | and how much does it sell for |
| 16:49.05 | Montagg | Crunchy Serpent also does it. |
| 16:49.21 | Montagg | Sells for 3g to vendors, I think. Not sure how much it costs to make, but if you catch the ingredients yourself, nothing. |
| 16:49.59 | Tepetkhet | Does it take herbs to cook? |
| 16:50.14 | Montagg | According to Thottbot, just a fire and whatever the item you're making it from is. |
| 16:50.18 | Montagg | Looks to be 1 to 1. |
| 16:51.51 | Tuqui-tuqui | nice |
| 16:51.59 | Tuqui-tuqui | and it sells for 3g to vendors? |
| 16:52.03 | Tuqui-tuqui | chist |
| 16:52.16 | Montagg | Well, going rate for Outland stuff is pretty high. |
| 16:53.07 | Tuqui-tuqui | closest thing I have in alchemy at my level is Elixir of Immoculation XD |
| 16:53.21 | Tuqui-tuqui | dishes out fire damage in a radius |
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| 16:58.19 | Montagg | Enchanters can make Wizard Oil which gives more than the Outland food. It's basically just a little boost to make grinding a bit easier. |
| 16:59.04 | Montagg | Are there any fishing mods that do work? |
| 16:59.19 | Hobinheim|work | nobody buys my oils from the AH =( |
| 16:59.20 | axxo | fishingace or whatever |
| 16:59.47 | Hobinheim|work | lol let's start making up fictional mods |
| 16:59.49 | Hobinheim|work | MountAce |
| 16:59.59 | Hobinheim|work | HerbAce |
| 17:00.13 | Tepetkhet | BloatyUI |
| 17:00.14 | Hobinheim|work | SkinnerAce |
| 17:00.23 | Montagg | Oo, apparently Fishing Buddy got reworked. |
| 17:00.32 | Tepetkhet | It did? |
| 17:00.34 | Tepetkhet | Does it work now? |
| 17:00.38 | Montagg | Double right click to cast. |
| 17:00.43 | axxo | Hobinheim|work: jackass it works and exists |
| 17:00.46 | Tepetkhet | PwnHUD |
| 17:00.52 | Tepetkhet | There you go. |
| 17:01.01 | axxo | Hobinheim|work: just not sure about the exact name |
| 17:01.16 | Tepetkhet | And the warlock mod, Emolysis. |
| 17:02.12 | Montagg | Hm. Never heard of Emolysis. |
| 17:02.19 | Tepetkhet | It's a joke. |
| 17:03.26 | Tepetkhet | Imagine...a warlock mod based on necrolysis with even more annoying features than ever before. |
| 17:04.28 | Tepetkhet | Like a nice sound sample that says, "Ha ha! Easymode!" when you log in. /cry if you're actually defeated in a duel... |
| 17:04.48 | axxo | QQ more nub |
| 17:06.16 | Montagg | w00t. Double click to cast is sweet. |
| 17:07.01 | Tepetkhet | Atlas Loot built in so you can easily link all that sweet gear and Damage Meters also built in to make bragging about being top of the damage charts even easier. |
| 17:07.42 | Tepetkhet | (For some reason, all the warlocks I play with are constantly linking items they don't have and posting damage meters) |
| 17:08.04 | Hobinheim|work | does it cut yourself automatically? |
| 17:08.05 | axxo | tell em they are nubs and add em to ignore list |
| 17:08.11 | Hobinheim|work | Right-click for across the block. |
| 17:08.17 | Tepetkhet | Yes. |
| 17:08.19 | Hobinheim|work | Control-shift-click for up the street. |
| 17:08.31 | Montagg | Hey now... I resent the anti-warlock sentiments here. =c) |
| 17:08.40 | Tepetkhet | No no. |
| 17:08.45 | Tepetkhet | I like my warlock friends. |
| 17:08.49 | Hobinheim|work | MWAAHHAHHHAAAAAAA. Your target has fear protection and Fallout Boy is in town!!!! |
| 17:09.03 | Tepetkhet | I just wish some of them would hush up sometimes. |
| 17:09.15 | Hobinheim|work | warlocks are fine, fine fellows |
| 17:09.22 | Hobinheim|work | unpopular and hated by all. just the way i like it |
| 17:09.22 | Tepetkhet | When they're on your side. |
| 17:09.23 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 17:09.37 | Montagg | According to some people (::coughangryogrecough::) they're quite evil. |
| 17:09.41 | Montagg | And, by association, so is the player. |
| 17:10.07 | Hobinheim|work | if i'm a corrupted felsoul, so be it |
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| 20:02.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | So, I was wondering... |
| 20:02.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | what if I made my sig ~~~~Patrigan |
| 20:03.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | so that you would get a recursive ~~~~ |
| 20:03.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | would it like go on forever? |
| 20:03.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | and probably crash the server while it's at it... |
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| 20:46.30 | Kirkburn | Qioet day today :) |
| 20:46.45 | Kirkburn | *Quiet :/ |
| 20:51.03 | Tepetkhet | I'm installing MySQL. |
| 20:51.06 | Tepetkhet | ooh |
| 20:51.08 | Tepetkhet | aah |
| 20:51.38 | Tepetkhet | Trying to find instructions on locking it down now. |
| 20:54.40 | sancus | don't use the root account in your apps :P |
| 20:54.43 | sancus | thats pretty much all you need to do |
| 21:02.36 | Tepetkhet | hm |
| 21:02.39 | Tepetkhet | Well |
| 21:02.43 | Tepetkhet | I set a password for root. |
| 21:03.04 | Tepetkhet | I found some documentation that said I might want to remove the localhost and host_name anon users. |
| 21:03.07 | equiraptor | I forgot my root password. |
| 21:03.09 | Tepetkhet | Or set passwords for them. |
| 21:03.20 | Tepetkhet | What are the pros and cons of each? |
| 21:04.42 | sancus | I dont actually set a password for root on any of my systems |
| 21:04.43 | sancus | because im lazy |
| 21:04.49 | Tepetkhet | oh |
| 21:05.00 | sancus | it doesnt matter if it's restricted to localhost |
| 21:05.03 | Tepetkhet | I guess...I'm trying to make the thing a little bit secure... |
| 21:05.05 | sancus | honestly |
| 21:05.13 | Tepetkhet | But I am without clue. |
| 21:06.04 | sancus | I dunno, I dont know of anyone taking steps like that to secure mysql |
| 21:06.15 | sancus | not really my area of detailed expertise though |
| 21:06.22 | Tepetkhet | Not mine, either. |
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| 21:07.01 | sancus | the wowwiki mysql prob doesnt have anything special done to it and it hasn't been hacked, and im sure it gets plenty of attention :p |
| 21:07.40 | Tepetkhet | Well, I'll leave them there, just password protected for now. |
| 21:07.46 | Tepetkhet | I can always go remove them later if I need to. |
| 21:08.42 | sancus | most database security concerns are on the app side |
| 21:11.15 | Tepetkhet | Hmmm...this doc says to "restrict admin user access only to local machine." |
| 21:11.42 | sancus | yes |
| 21:11.47 | sancus | root = localhost only |
| 21:11.53 | sancus | im not sure if that's the default but I think it is |
| 21:12.48 | Tepetkhet | I think I want to... |
| 21:13.16 | Tepetkhet | DELETE FROM mysql.user WHERE Host='my_host_name' AND User='root'; |
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| 21:15.51 | sancus | check if root has anything but localhost first |
| 21:16.02 | sancus | SELECT from mysql.user WHERE User='root'; |
| 21:16.20 | sancus | uh |
| 21:16.22 | sancus | SELECT * |
| 21:19.15 | Tepetkhet | That's not exacly nicely formatted. |
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| 21:20.34 | sancus | yeah I'm kinda busy and didn't feel like looking up the field names in mysql.user |
| 21:20.44 | sancus | but you can do a describe on it if you want and narrow it down |
| 21:20.49 | Tepetkhet | That's okay. |
| 21:21.05 | Tepetkhet | Thanks, though. |
| 21:21.19 | sancus | like describe mysql.user; and then select field_names, go_here blah blah |
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| 21:25.34 | Laraul | STUPID NICKSERV |
| 21:26.28 | Boromir | right.. |
| 21:26.33 | Boromir | blame it on the bot |
| 21:26.55 | Laraul | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.55 | Laraul | 02:25 NickServ Notice: Password Incorrect |
| 21:27.03 | Laraul | Everytime |
| 21:27.32 | Laraul | I discovered why... I was doing /nickserv identify Laraul password |
| 21:27.39 | Laraul | That should work |
| 21:27.43 | Laraul | But I guess it doesn't |
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| 21:29.43 | Kirkburn | Wouldja look at this? http://www.wii-consoles.co.uk/wii_console_realtime.asp |
| 21:29.53 | Kirkburn | Nowhere, nowhere at all has Wiis in stock :/ |
| 21:30.28 | Kaso | Seen the penny arcade comic about ps3/wii availability |
| 21:31.01 | Kirkburn | Heh, yeah |
| 21:31.15 | Laraul | i never read penny arcade |
| 21:31.25 | Laraul | I just never liked it... |
| 21:31.52 | Kaso | Im not a religious reader but i take a gander ever now and again |
| 21:34.08 | Laraul | I've been working on my itunes script... at the moment... i got it to create a new playist, then convert the current selection of tracks to 64kbps... move those tracks to a playlist... label them in the finder... and then remove the files after they've been copied to my ipod mini... |
| 21:34.24 | Laraul | 64kpbs AAC |
| 21:35.24 | Laraul | It's converting about 200 tracks now... total time will be 16.2 hours |
| 21:36.11 | Laraul | Why am I doing this? Because I'm trying to cram as much as I can onto a 1GB iPod Mini |
| 21:37.50 | Laraul | 64kbps is 8Bps... 8 into 1000*1000 is uh... |
| 21:39.06 | Laraul | well 125,000 though my brain just lost what it was trying to determine |
| 21:39.35 | Laraul | oh 125,000 seconds |
| 21:42.11 | Kirkburn | Heh, this is cool: http://legendofchucknorris.com/trailer.html |
| 21:42.13 | Laraul | Crap no one cares I'll go brag is #macosx |
| 21:45.06 | Laraul | lol wtf #Macosx has like 200 people and yet no one talks |
| 21:45.16 | Kirkburn | How to embarass a Belgian: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8297574364836044520 |
| 21:45.56 | Karrion | Laraul: they're too busy watching all the "I'm a mac, I'm a PC" ads over and over... >.> |
| 21:46.11 | Kirkburn | >_< |
| 21:46.40 | Kirkburn | There have been some good spoofs of those :) |
| 21:47.14 | Karrion | they're good ads ;-) |
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| 21:49.51 | Teomyr | omg |
| 21:50.08 | Teomyr | wtf is that |
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| 21:54.43 | Kirkburn | Meanwhile - http://www.musclyjerk.com/ |
| 21:54.56 | Kirkburn | (I can't how serious it is) |
| 21:54.59 | Zeal | lo all |
| 21:55.00 | Kirkburn | *can't tell |
| 21:55.11 | Zeal | darn. no montag.. |
| 21:55.23 | Kirkburn | Hullo |
| 21:55.27 | Zeal | hm.. hmv is missing from that Kirkburn |
| 21:55.44 | Zeal | my friend got his 3 days ago cos they got 3 in stock ;) |
| 21:56.33 | Kirkburn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLId754mljY&mode=related&search= <-- I want a piggy parrot :P |
| 21:56.49 | Kirkburn | Zeal, shall have to take a look |
| 21:57.25 | Kirkburn | Ah yes, I checked there yesterday |
| 22:00.02 | Zeal | piggy parrot.. heh |
| 22:00.11 | Zeal | why were you watching that Kirkburn?! :p |
| 22:05.23 | Tepetkhet | later |
| 22:05.24 | Tepetkhet | Home |
| 22:05.41 | karat | Any priesty or healer types here |
| 22:05.56 | Tepetkhet | I heal. |
| 22:06.00 | Tepetkhet | With bandages and lifestealing. |
| 22:06.24 | karat | I'm wondering if you'd rather take: 122stam, 146int, 102 spirit, 358 healing, 26mp/5, or 72stam, 70int, 38spirit, 452 healing, 64healing? |
| 22:07.38 | equiraptor | Is that last stat 64mp/5 (rather than 64healing)? |
| 22:08.03 | karat | er yeah |
| 22:08.14 | karat | The first is priest healing t4, the second is whitemend + primal mooncloth |
| 22:08.27 | karat | socketed with bonuses in there |
| 22:09.11 | karat | I'm a mooncloth tailor rogue so I have no idea whats better really, I'm wondering if I should be pitching my mooncloth xmute sales to raid leaders for their priests or what |
| 22:09.46 | Tepetkhet | The +heal is nice, I guess, but the +spirit and int are better on the t4. |
| 22:09.56 | karat | yeah |
| 22:10.05 | karat | Does spirit help in combat? |
| 22:10.31 | Karrion | spirit helps while outside the 5 sec rule |
| 22:10.40 | Karrion | (and when innervated ;-) |
| 22:10.41 | sancus | you can get partial spirit regen with certain talents and gear |
| 22:10.49 | sancus | while in 5 sec rule |
| 22:11.03 | Karrion | ohh, yeah there's a 30% of regen while inside talent isn't there |
| 22:11.04 | Zeal | spirit regens when not casting. |
| 22:11.18 | sancus | theres various talents for various classes |
| 22:11.27 | Zeal | and then there's talents that give you bonus from spirit or allow it to regen while casting. |
| 22:11.27 | Karrion | so yes, spirit is good |
| 22:11.44 | sancus | priests/druids can get 15% I think |
| 22:11.47 | Zicon | karat: I would take the first one, no contest at all. |
| 22:11.56 | sancus | priests also get an additional 15% from 3pc trans set |
| 22:12.02 | sancus | if they have it |
| 22:12.04 | Zeal | i'm with Zicon |
| 22:12.09 | Tepetkhet | My kid is a total +heal nut. |
| 22:12.15 | Tepetkhet | And would take the second one. |
| 22:12.30 | Karrion | yes, but they won't have 3pc trans if they're wearing T4 |
| 22:12.42 | karat | sancus, not anymore, its set mp/5 |
| 22:12.58 | sancus | oh they finally fixed that? |
| 22:12.59 | sancus | nice |
| 22:13.02 | karat | I guess so |
| 22:13.06 | sancus | I wasn't sure if they would have the guts |
| 22:13.11 | sancus | that was the most broken set bonus in the game bar none |
| 22:13.40 | karat | Useless, I've got all this primal mooncloth and nobody wants the crap I can craft |
| 22:13.52 | sancus | no one wants 20 slot bags? |
| 22:13.53 | Karrion | so the extra spirit on t4 (vs mooncloth) should be ~= 40mp5 |
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| 22:14.20 | Tepetkhet | anyways, my kid's not answering now...guess kid's busy in WoW. |
| 22:14.24 | karat | Nobody will pay for mooncloth bags |
| 22:14.24 | Tepetkhet | meh |
| 22:14.27 | Tepetkhet | Later. |
| 22:14.36 | sancus | btw im confused |
| 22:14.36 | karat | I can craft both whitemend pieces |
| 22:14.43 | sancus | how are the second stats you listed primal mooncloth gear?? |
| 22:14.44 | Zicon | I'm built for using and abusing spirit, so I would probably total more +heal with the first than with the second. :p |
| 22:14.51 | sancus | primal mooncloth has mp5, you listed no mp5 |
| 22:15.01 | sancus | oh |
| 22:15.04 | sancus | you typod it, nm |
| 22:15.07 | karat | yeah |
| 22:15.07 | sancus | god, no sleep |
| 22:15.11 | karat | thats primal mooncloth + whitemend |
| 22:15.18 | karat | so 5 piece vs 5 piece, ignoring the set bonuses |
| 22:15.50 | Karrion | so it comes down to 50sta/70int vs 100 +heal |
| 22:16.05 | karat | well and the mp/5 |
| 22:16.11 | karat | unless the spirit balances it out |
| 22:16.21 | Karrion | the spirit pretty much balances it out |
| 22:16.43 | Karrion | well, the mp5 is still a bit better in the 5sec rule I guess |
| 22:16.55 | sancus | it's a lot better |
| 22:17.01 | sancus | you have 15% regen in the 5 sec rule :P |
| 22:17.13 | Karrion | in any case, I definitely know priests that would take the +heal option |
| 22:17.18 | sancus | also, I'm not sure if that's a fair comparison for primal mooncloth |
| 22:17.36 | sancus | I'm pretty sure that whitemend + primal mooncloth do NOT overlap 5/5 in the same slots as T4 |
| 22:17.37 | Karrion | sancus: yeah sorry, meant to say "bit better overall, because it's better in" |
| 22:17.49 | sancus | for one thing |
| 22:17.59 | Zeal | hmm.. |
| 22:18.04 | sancus | because t4 has no belt |
| 22:18.07 | Zeal | http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/592/01/ < Kirkburn ;) |
| 22:18.42 | sancus | also |
| 22:19.00 | sancus | whitemend offers +10% of intellect as healing, which si going to be an extra 40 healing probably |
| 22:19.14 | sancus | and primal mooncloth 3pc is 5% mana regen while casting, which is also pretty significant |
| 22:19.22 | Kirkburn | Druid epic flight form: http://www.wowwiki.com/Stormcrow_Form |
| 22:19.37 | sancus | plus the primal mooncloth gem slot bonuses are useless |
| 22:19.46 | sancus | so if you can min/max the gem slots better by ignoring the gem slot bonuses, you should |
| 22:20.00 | karat | Those stats calculated the bonuses and socketing them with +healing +mp5 and other goodies where applicable |
| 22:20.10 | Kirkburn | Zeal, why do you want me to know about capital letter?! |
| 22:20.25 | Zeal | just bringing up the race name stuff again, lol |
| 22:20.28 | sancus | how can you calculate the bonuses that are a percentage of unknown stats |
| 22:20.45 | Kirkburn | No-one else starts their sentences with capitals letters here I notice |
| 22:21.10 | Zeal | rofl |
| 22:21.33 | Zeal | http://www.wcradio.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4617&st=20&p=51118&#entry51118 |
| 22:21.59 | sancus | whitemend seems mediocre honestly |
| 22:22.04 | sancus | I bet the optimal combo |
| 22:22.05 | Kirkburn | Btw, I can see reasons for capitalising Blood Elves and Forsaken, but all the others are really species, not racial groups |
| 22:22.13 | sancus | is 3/5 T4 and 3/3 Primal Mooncloth |
| 22:22.21 | Zeal | they're races |
| 22:22.29 | Zeal | races should be capitalized jsut the same |
| 22:22.44 | karat | probably something like that sancus |
| 22:22.47 | Zeal | definition of race they fit is irrelevent. |
| 22:23.06 | Zeal | nayways.. i'm bored enough to recall the vote |
| 22:23.40 | sancus | intellect = healing is a stupid bonus |
| 22:23.52 | sancus | it should be spirit = healing, competent priests min/max spirit not int |
| 22:24.21 | Tekkub | Zeal, Blizzard doesn't capitalize races, but they do caps Forsaken... why shouldn't we use their standard? |
| 22:24.33 | Zeal | because blizzard are very wrong |
| 22:24.36 | Kirkburn | Not only that but since when do you see human capitalised? |
| 22:24.40 | Zeal | and they do use lower case on forsaken too |
| 22:24.42 | Kirkburn | Or dog. Or cat. |
| 22:24.45 | Kirkburn | Or banana. |
| 22:24.57 | Zeal | species |
| 22:25.10 | sancus | capitalizing race names is a fantasy author conceit |
| 22:25.11 | Tekkub | hispanic :P |
| 22:25.11 | Kirkburn | Yes. Humans, gnomes, dwarves, night elves, they are species |
| 22:25.24 | Zeal | and even many species are capitalized Kirkburn, as you know |
| 22:25.26 | Kirkburn | They are not just races |
| 22:25.42 | Tekkub | I tihnk it's all context personally |
| 22:25.43 | Zeal | it's when you're using thme as a proper noun that makes the difference |
| 22:25.48 | sancus | this debate is dumb tho im going back to productive work :p |
| 22:25.54 | Kirkburn | So am I |
| 22:26.04 | Zeal | well either way, i'm recalling it. |
| 22:26.11 | Tekkub | if it's not a specific reference to the race it should stay lower really... |
| 22:26.13 | Zicon | Fantasy authors who capitalize species' names aught to be beaten until at least four shades of purple. |
| 22:26.24 | Kirkburn | Fine, do that. It won't pass. |
| 22:26.27 | Tekkub | Bear is my tauren druid |
| 22:26.32 | Zeal | then you should be beaten for thinking that zicon |
| 22:26.35 | Zicon | IMNSHO, of course. |
| 22:26.39 | Tekkub | but, the Tauren live on Thunder Bluff |
| 22:26.55 | Zicon | zeal: I'm doing BRD PUGs with my priest, is that punishment enough? |
| 22:27.06 | Zeal | yeah, and right now Tekkub, wowwiki is forcing lower case in all circumstances, which is wrong. |
| 22:27.19 | Tekkub | okey, that I'll agree with :) |
| 22:27.34 | Tekkub | but there aren't too many cases where caps should be used |
| 22:30.45 | Zeal | and Tauren Druid it should be still |
| 22:30.48 | Kirkburn | A compromise based on actual english grammar and what Blizzard do, I can go with |
| 22:30.51 | Zeal | its still a proper noun. |
| 22:31.11 | Kirkburn | A Tauren, a tauren. |
| 22:31.12 | Zeal | in this case |
| 22:31.14 | Kirkburn | Darn |
| 22:31.18 | Kirkburn | The Tauren, a tauren. |
| 22:31.49 | Kirkburn | So if you're talking about the Tauren faction, yes capitalise. |
| 22:31.51 | Zeal | a tauren, and a Tauren are different in language sense, but in relaity they're not. |
| 22:32.03 | Zeal | *reality |
| 22:32.20 | Kirkburn | But if you're talking about someone in lore who is a tauren and a druid, don't. But yes if they're a Tauren Druid /player/ |
| 22:32.29 | Zeal | there is no non-Tauren tauren, heh. |
| 22:32.31 | Zeal | aye yes |
| 22:32.34 | Kirkburn | Yes there is |
| 22:32.37 | Kirkburn | Grimtotems |
| 22:32.49 | Kirkburn | They aren't part of the main Tauren faction |
| 22:33.15 | Kirkburn | So fair enough, there's should be better rules on it |
| 22:33.30 | Zeal | Grimtotems are still Tauren. i already explained the difference because it's fantasy. a WoW Bear, and a bear are completely different. |
| 22:33.31 | Kirkburn | Clearer rules, especially. |
| 22:34.16 | Kirkburn | Bears in WoW are referred to as bears. |
| 22:34.33 | Kirkburn | Just because they are a fantasy contruct doesn't make them not a species. |
| 22:34.36 | Zeal | and Blizzard have their heads up their asses. pint? :P |
| 22:34.44 | Zeal | *point |
| 22:34.50 | Kirkburn | No, Blizzard has the ability to understand an in-world perspective |
| 22:35.24 | Kirkburn | The wiki deals with the Warcrafy Universe, not just games |
| 22:35.43 | Zeal | well yes, in-world it would make sense |
| 22:36.07 | Kirkburn | So we talk about it from the point of view of the people in that world |
| 22:36.34 | Kirkburn | Otherwise we start running into trouble with the books which certainly aren't games and don't use an out of world perspective |
| 22:37.47 | Zeal | we are on a out of world perspective |
| 22:37.50 | Kirkburn | If an orc sees a bear, he exclaims, "Look, a bear!". Thus how can we then justify that this bear should be capitalised just because it's a fantasy contrust or in a game? |
| 22:37.51 | Zeal | we write about the books |
| 22:37.58 | Zeal | we don't write from within them |
| 22:37.59 | Kirkburn | *construct |
| 22:38.17 | Zeal | only within quotes would it ever need to be lower case |
| 22:38.24 | Zeal | http://www.fictionfactor.com/guests/capitalization.html |
| 22:39.24 | Kirkburn | An example, say we were saying that a women, Kandara, attacked some amazing bear. Should we say: "Later, Kandara attacked and won a battle against a bear", or, "Later, Kandara attacked and won a battle against a Bear" |
| 22:40.05 | Kirkburn | Should we capitalise Squirrels? Or Rabbits? Or Deer? Would that look right to anyone? |
| 22:40.19 | Zeal | for wow |
| 22:40.20 | Zeal | yes |
| 22:40.36 | Kirkburn | Does that really make sense to you? |
| 22:40.44 | Zeal | very much so |
| 22:40.54 | Kirkburn | Dun Morogh is populated by many Squirrels. |
| 22:41.06 | Zeal | otherwise, Kandra: "omg, i just kicked that bear's ass" |
| 22:41.11 | Zeal | *OMG ;) |
| 22:41.35 | Kirkburn | If you're talking about a NPC, an actual bear with a name, then perhaps |
| 22:41.58 | Kirkburn | But if you're just talking about the lore of an area, or even the lore history of something, how does it make sense to capitalise a species' name? |
| 22:43.12 | Zeal | as you're refring to that specific species that exists only in the context of your subject. not species that exists in the real world. |
| 22:43.30 | Kirkburn | Does this then apply to all fiction books? |
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| 22:44.02 | Zeal | yes |
| 22:44.04 | Kirkburn | Because WoW bears and squirrels sure as hell look like our bears and squirrels |
| 22:44.36 | Kirkburn | So you're saying that /all/ books should refer to species as proper nouns, just because it's not 'real'? |
| 22:45.31 | Zeal | but they are specific to wow. if you're saying bears exist in Dun Morogh, that would be a lie |
| 22:45.39 | Zeal | and bears don't. Bears do. |
| 22:45.51 | Zeal | *as |
| 22:46.22 | Zeal | something real can't be talked about in terms of fantasy, as it wouldn't be true. |
| 22:46.27 | Kirkburn | So you're saying that because a real world species has been transplanted indentically to a fictional world, they should be capitalised? |
| 22:46.34 | Zeal | yes |
| 22:46.40 | Zeal | because they are no longer the same |
| 22:46.57 | Kirkburn | Those squirrels look exactly like squirrels to me |
| 22:47.19 | Zeal | if you start talking about the migration habits of Birds in wow, then that is specific to those, not birds. |
| 22:47.45 | Zeal | Brann however could say all the he wants about birds |
| 22:48.04 | Kirkburn | As I said, we don't write just from a WoW (or game) perspective |
| 22:48.45 | Kirkburn | Dun Morogh is a place, it has wildlife, it's not just a zone in a game |
| 22:49.16 | Zeal | its a place in a fantasy world |
| 22:49.16 | Zeal | simply using wow as an example |
| 22:49.38 | Tekkub | http://feeds.theonion.com/~r/theonion/daily/~3/89646283/58443 |
| 22:49.38 | Kirkburn | Say we were looking at Star Trek - if they found bird-like creatures on a planet - would they then be called Birds? |
| 22:50.03 | Kirkburn | Or would they say "Planer Zargon was found to have many birds" |
| 22:50.07 | Kirkburn | *Planet |
| 22:50.39 | Zeal | if that's what the author has chosen to name them. you talking in-world or out? |
| 22:50.58 | Kirkburn | In world |
| 22:51.12 | Zeal | well in world it would be lowercase ofc. |
| 22:51.19 | Tekkub | take a break from this boring debate and read my link |
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| 22:51.38 | Zeal | lol Tekkub |
| 22:51.41 | Zeal | photoshopped |
| 22:52.16 | Kirkburn | It's The Onion! Of course it is :P |
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| 22:52.52 | Tekkub | the onion has nothing to do with truthiness, it's about good article |
| 22:52.55 | Tekkub | *s |
| 22:52.56 | Zeal | yeah, i didn't realize it was the onion until i scrolled up again :p |
| 22:53.41 | Kirkburn | Zeal, basically, I'm saying that there has to be a point where you say, no these things are just plain squirrels, there's nothing special about them |
| 22:53.43 | Zeal | "I wanted to find something to replace running, so I took up fishing, " former St. Paul, MN jogger Derek Janowitz said. "That is, until my canoe bumped into that floating [strangling] victim." |
| 22:53.44 | Zeal | rofl |
| 22:53.53 | Kirkburn | heh |
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| 22:53.57 | Kirkburn | Anyway, I need some dinner |
| 22:54.03 | Kirkburn | Good conversation :) |
| 22:54.58 | Kirkburn | (nothwithstanding that we do have to take into account what Blizzard does) |
| 22:55.13 | Zeal | the fact they do not exist in our world is what makes them special, and different. if i brought a tauren to this world, here it would follow normal conventions, but seven in warcraft, it would still go the way i said, as he is not part of that world anymore. |
| 22:56.02 | Zeal | yeah, i'm not taking into account what blizzard does, because they're clearly wrong, and have been inconsistance in the past, and still remain inconsistant, however less so. |
| 22:56.18 | Kirkburn | I disagree that they're 'clearly wrong', it's not that simple |
| 22:56.28 | Zeal | is from my pov |
| 22:56.33 | Kirkburn | I know |
| 22:56.56 | Kirkburn | Taking your example, if I brought a squirrel from WoW, how is it different? |
| 22:57.39 | Zeal | because in wow, all squirrels look the same. in RL, they don't :p |
| 22:57.48 | Kirkburn | >_< |
| 22:57.50 | Tekkub | they don't? |
| 22:57.51 | Zeal | rofl |
| 22:58.06 | Tekkub | what about asians, you saying they don't all look the same too? |
| 22:58.26 | Zeal | nah, just not to the point you can recognize them :P |
| 22:58.45 | Tekkub | and russians? I thought they were all like Sean Connery in Red October |
| 22:58.55 | Tekkub | *Hunt for |
| 22:59.20 | Tekkub | s/thought/was hoping/ |
| 23:00.34 | Zeal | Humans have had a long standing dislike of Orcs. But many humans think Orcs are cool and will play as them :p |
| 23:00.52 | Tekkub | I'd "play" them all night |
| 23:00.59 | Zeal | lol |
| 23:01.24 | Tekkub | what? "Stop poking we!" is just toooooo cute |
| 23:01.29 | Tekkub | *me |
| 23:01.35 | Tekkub | stupid fingers hate me today |
| 23:01.38 | Zeal | lol |
| 23:02.08 | Zeal | anyways.. i need to figure out how i'm gunna archieve this vote, never done it before. |
| 23:02.11 | Tekkub | okey I'm gonna go watch some heroes |
| 23:02.24 | Tekkub | maybe make a peanutbutter milshake |
| 23:02.28 | Tekkub | mmmmmm |
| 23:02.35 | Zeal | O_o |
| 23:02.37 | Zeal | wtf |
| 23:02.41 | Zeal | yuck |
| 23:02.52 | Tekkub | you ever had a Take 5? |
| 23:02.54 | Zeal | fucking radiators... |
| 23:02.59 | Zeal | take 5? no |
| 23:03.32 | Tekkub | get one sometime... they're good... then get one and add it to a vanilla milkshake |
| 23:03.34 | Tekkub | >> sex |
| 23:05.19 | Zeal | eew |
| 23:05.28 | Zeal | i don't like peanuts : / |
| 23:06.47 | Zeal | cherry cordial kisses.. |
| 23:07.37 | Zeal | confetti? :S |
| 23:07.37 | Zeal | wtf |
| 23:08.49 | Kirkburn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=areyUfCNFxY |
| 23:08.58 | Kirkburn | ^ this might help make up your mind |
| 23:09.44 | Zeal | interesting ,they have liscences for all cadbury products and some nestle :o |
| 23:11.06 | Zeal | after watching the mohamad cartoon-family guy episode of south park, i've completely gone off family guy, not that i ever liked it too much before. |
| 23:13.02 | Tekkub | <right click to attack> |
| 23:13.03 | Tekkub | hehe |
| 23:14.04 | Kirkburn | Hey, Family Guy is awesome |
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| 23:21.33 | Zeal | i've decided and had my eyes opened to it being somewhat less awesome to the point of crapness ;) |
| 23:21.35 | Zeal | hey Montagg |
| 23:21.49 | Montagg | Hey Zeal |
| 23:22.38 | Zeal | wanted to ask, i see you put light image back in :s i removed the light section, because i didn't see anything different than how light normally works. so does the image evne need to be there, or does light need to come back and be better explained? :s |
| 23:23.25 | Montagg | It put it back in because light is very much a part of physics, and I thought that section was funny precisely because light doesn't do anything differently in Warcraft. |
| 23:23.36 | Montagg | Kind of a tribute to the original section, and just a point of prettiness. |
| 23:23.55 | Montagg | If you think it's inappropriate, though, go ahead and take it out. No problem. |
| 23:23.58 | Zeal | lol fair enough |
| 23:24.50 | Zeal | well i'm just gunna watch some lost room |
| 23:24.59 | Zeal | dunno what's happening with lorekeepers tonight |
| 23:25.12 | Zeal | strixus is still sick afaik, kae went to bed about an hour ago :s |
| 23:25.28 | Zeal | shes on air though. |
| 23:35.36 | zeal | god.. people are so touchy in that chan.. |
| 23:35.44 | zeal | full of short fuses. |
| 23:35.51 | zeal | anyways.. bbl, gunna watch lost room. |
| 23:36.47 | Montagg | I think I'm just going to go through and add {{fact}} to everything Angry says. |
| 23:39.23 | Kirkburn | :O |
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| 23:50.17 | Montagg | Kirkburn: I'm sure you noticed Anveena's talk page by now. |
| 23:50.27 | Kirkburn | Yes |
| 23:50.29 | Kirkburn | ;) |
| 23:50.42 | Kirkburn | Was just crafting a response for Talk:Horde |
| 23:51.06 | Montagg | By the way, something I was thinking about earlier today... I think we have to be more productive with this guy. If we're just constantly making fun of his horrible reasoning, we're not really doing our duty to the wiki. |
| 23:51.33 | Montagg | That's why I've tried to keep my responses short and sweet. It's not helping just to add fuel to the fire. |
| 23:53.22 | Kirkburn | I have tried so much to be productive with him, it just doesn't work :/ |
| 23:53.37 | Montagg | Right, but we have to be responsible, too. |
| 23:54.52 | Montagg | We can't just keep making snide comments at him. I had a couple really good ones, but I removed them. Just wasn't going to do anything but piss him off and make me as an admin look bad. |
| 23:56.22 | Kirkburn | I saw you removed one, yeah |
| 23:59.32 | Montagg | I just don't want the wiki's credibility to suffer inadvertently. |
