| 00:09.57 | Adys | Comparison of Aldor and Scryer rewards (1,004,462 views) |
| 00:11.06 | Adys | just... wow |
| 00:12.11 | Shadowed | Adys well it is listed on the front page |
| 00:12.22 | Adys | i know |
| 00:12.30 | Shadowed | also, it's a hard choice =( |
| 00:13.29 | Adys | compare Instance Guide (created 25 months ago, 1.6 million views) and the comparison page (created 3 months ago, 1 million views) |
| 00:13.59 | MeStinkBAD | rewards? |
| 00:14.03 | Adys | almost 9 more time views/months, bringing it next to the Main Page's views/months |
| 00:14.10 | MeStinkBAD | you reward for page visits? |
| 00:14.10 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Popularpages |
| 00:14.46 | Shadowed | Well the two reps are pretty close, and I dont think many sites had information on them when TBC first was released as final |
| 00:15.00 | Adys | thats what is fun, the Main Page is as much visited as the comparison page >< |
| 00:16.10 | Shadowed | someone asks for a good comparsion, they link that page not the main! |
| 00:16.23 | Adys | yes :P |
| 00:16.38 | Shadowed | instance guides can be found annnnnnnywhere though p |
| 00:20.20 | MeStinkBAD | Started Nov.2004? |
| 00:21.02 | MeStinkBAD | Or as that as far back as the log goes? |
| 00:21.17 | Adys | I thought January 2005 |
| 00:21.34 | Adys | oh yes actually no, sorry, end of october 2004 you're right |
| 00:21.35 | Shadowed | i'm pretty sure it was started before it was released using beta info |
| 00:21.45 | Shadowed | ooh nm! |
| 00:23.37 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:18_slot_bags |
| 00:23.51 | Adys | I want to rename this category and change the bags category system |
| 00:28.31 | MeStinkBAD | honestly... the "web" search button under the search field? why is it there? |
| 00:36.44 | MeStinkBAD | hmmm i didn't start until almost a month after the release... 12/17/04 |
| 00:37.26 | MeStinkBAD | I thought I started a little sooner to the launch... |
| 00:37.57 | MeStinkBAD | Because I remember that at first when you updated you only had to go thru one ToA screen |
| 00:39.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Bagginsww, congratulations |
| 00:40.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Shadowed, the page was listed on the front page after I saw how popular it was :) |
| 00:41.28 | MeStinkBAD | kirkburn|afk: what server you on again? |
| 00:41.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Dragonblight EU |
| 00:45.08 | MeStinkBAD | is the game more popular in europe? |
| 00:46.13 | MeStinkBAD | infobot help |
| 00:49.12 | Adys | 23998 articles, almost there =P |
| 00:49.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Slightly less than the US afaik, but only very slightly |
| 00:51.45 | hokatichenci | Wow, Doom lord kazzak is a badass. |
| 00:52.02 | hokatichenci | Cleaved crit for 21k :( |
| 00:54.11 | Kirkburn|afk | wow |
| 00:54.37 | MeStinkBAD | this should be in japanese... 本屋へのどの方法か。 |
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| 00:55.49 | hokatichenci | Kazzak enrages a lot faster than he did in azeroth i think |
| 00:56.01 | hokatichenci | he had a 2 minute timer in azeroth right? |
| 00:56.12 | MeStinkBAD | alt-z = /part |
| 00:58.24 | zeal | tides fo darkness huh? |
| 00:59.32 | MeStinkBAD | i was hoping infobot stored user character information (servers,characters,etc) |
| 01:00.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, what about it? |
| 01:00.34 | Zeal | trying to spark conversation :P |
| 01:00.57 | Zeal | me, i'm not overly enthusiastic about it, but it should be decent. |
| 01:03.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Who knows |
| 01:04.12 | Kirkburn|afk | I need a weapon enchant |
| 01:06.32 | Zeal | offt |
| 01:06.36 | Zeal | *pfft |
| 01:13.07 | winkiller | lol, Suggested_Warcraft_Movie_Actors is the best page ever |
| 01:17.38 | winkiller | gnight |
| 01:24.54 | Kirkburn|afk | This is accurate: "Specific class forums are more likely to hold a negative view about their specific class, simply due to the fact that they have a vested interest in that class excelling. Thusly, every flaw is critical, every buff minimal, and every nerf insurmountable." |
| 01:25.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Night winkiller |
| 01:27.50 | Zeal | lol Kirkburn|afk |
| 01:27.54 | Zeal | nn winkiller |
| 01:28.36 | Zeal | *if he |
| 01:29.18 | Zeal | god every sentence he types oozes bias.. |
| 01:29.56 | Zeal | *and making the |
| 01:30.02 | Zeal | *suggested |
| 01:30.05 | Zeal | >_.; |
| 01:30.08 | Zeal | *>_>; |
| 01:33.35 | kasatopia | clint eastwood as medivh |
| 01:36.06 | kasatopia | sean connery as practically everybody |
| 01:37.22 | Zeal | the rock as thrall.. |
| 01:38.06 | Zeal | i find it funny people are coming up with a cast, when we don't even know what characters there will be :p |
| 01:38.21 | kasatopia | i didnt even know there was going to be a movie |
| 01:39.13 | Zeal | i don't expected good results from live actions.. |
| 01:39.50 | Zeal | warcraft has always had that fantasy comical feel which can't be captured in live action, but can in cgi, where blizz cinematice team excell : / |
| 01:39.56 | Zeal | *expect |
| 01:40.03 | Zeal | *action |
| 01:43.44 | zeal | nn all |
| 01:44.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Woot, I'm in Old Hillsbrad |
| 01:44.44 | MeStinkBAD | hmm |
| 01:44.44 | Kirkburn|afk | night zeal |
| 01:44.47 | MeStinkBAD | i'm not getting sound |
| 01:45.12 | MeStinkBAD | when you start a new character... you aren't rested :/ |
| 01:49.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Beggar in Old Southshore: "Please sir, I have three hungry children! Dis I say three? TEN HUNGRY CHILDREN!" |
| 01:49.45 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Sand_Gnome |
| 01:49.58 | Bagginsww | Oh I just love how Fandylicc asks for source information... |
| 01:50.07 | Bagginsww | we mentioned it was BC :p |
| 01:50.29 | Kirkburn|afk | I know :/ |
| 01:50.56 | Bagginsww | I mean how do you cite BC exactly? |
| 01:51.08 | Bagginsww | I suppose put the quest link down |
| 01:51.18 | MeStinkBAD | back to ffxi :/ |
| 01:51.47 | MeStinkBAD | i must complete this quest |
| 01:51.51 | MeStinkBAD | 4 hrs now |
| 01:52.25 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Sand_Gnome |
| 01:55.27 | MeStinkBAD | lol now back to wow |
| 01:55.54 | Kirkburn|afk | My god, this is awesome - there's Stalvan asleep on the bed upstairs, Taelen as a child running around with a giant hammer |
| 01:57.23 | Kirkburn|afk | And the original WoW models, yay |
| 01:57.23 | Bagginsww | I need to go do caverns of time heh |
| 01:57.27 | Bagginsww | should be easy now that I"m 70 heh |
| 01:57.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Kel'Thuzad!! |
| 01:57.43 | Bagginsww | its like an easter eggathon |
| 01:58.06 | Bagginsww | how many low level and high level characters can you stuff into one area heh heh |
| 01:58.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Lol, Bartolo Ginsetti and his cloak! |
| 01:58.37 | Kirkburn|afk | I remember that quest |
| 01:58.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeti fur cloak or something |
| 02:00.56 | Bagginsww | yya |
| 02:01.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Renault Mograine? |
| 02:02.02 | Adys | hehe discovering caverns of time? |
| 02:02.06 | Kirkburn|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.07 | Adys | I loved em |
| 02:02.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Herod the Bully! |
| 02:02.53 | Adys | Kirkburn: Go to the inn or near the boats |
| 02:03.03 | Adys | you should find the two captains, follow them :) |
| 02:03.26 | Kirkburn|afk | They went out of the inn earlier whilst the Mograine event was going on, shall follow them next time they leave |
| 02:03.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Aww, crap, they were there, they just went back to the inn |
| 02:04.12 | Adys | aww |
| 02:04.18 | Adys | they'll come back in 5 mins :P |
| 02:04.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, it's fun looking around anyway |
| 02:06.32 | Adys | why dont these bronze idiots let us kill kel thuzad when hes still frail and useless in caverns of time anyways |
| 02:06.38 | Adys | would arrange a few things |
| 02:07.05 | Adys | he wouldnt have been able to save arthas from sylvanas then >< |
| 02:07.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Nat Pagle ftw |
| 02:10.04 | Adys | LOL |
| 02:10.12 | Adys | I was just reading kel thuzad page on wowwiki |
| 02:10.17 | Adys | did he really say "The Cult of the Damned...I need to print more brochures." |
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| 02:10.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah, I needed to to set off the event |
| 02:10.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, I'll find out |
| 02:11.09 | Adys | I wanna know when :p |
| 02:12.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Aww, wish I could unlock the box |
| 02:13.51 | MeStinkBAD | i just noticed something |
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| 02:13.56 | Adys | which one kirkburn? |
| 02:14.15 | MeStinkBAD | when i'm in windowed mode... if i have the mouse held down and in the window my frame rate stays normal |
| 02:14.28 | MeStinkBAD | but i release the mouse and it drops |
| 02:14.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Captain Sanders' |
| 02:14.55 | MeStinkBAD | any ideas why this would be? |
| 02:15.05 | Kirkburn|afk | nope, no idea |
| 02:16.28 | Adys | Ooooh |
| 02:16.37 | Adys | Happy Birthday WoW Europe :) |
| 02:16.53 | Kirkburn|afk | oh yeah :D |
| 02:17.12 | Adys | god, two years |
| 02:20.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Two AWESOME years :) |
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| 02:22.46 | Adys | tbh ive been playing less and less (totally stopped since a few days) and I found out all I missed were the players |
| 02:22.59 | Kirkburn|afk | :O |
| 02:23.00 | Adys | the game itself aint much interest when playing it |
| 02:23.08 | Adys | Lore, Addons, etc thats cool |
| 02:23.20 | Kirkburn|afk | How can you say such a thing?! :P |
| 02:23.21 | Adys | all the "outside" work, and ofc having ppl to talk to |
| 02:23.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Now for Tarren Mill |
| 02:23.39 | Adys | Well dont know, its the feeling I have about it :P |
| 02:23.42 | Kirkburn|afk | No Kel'Thuzad quote |
| 02:23.53 | MeStinkBAD | uh i think i need to lie down for a while |
| 02:24.04 | Adys | or get a shower? |
| 02:24.12 | MeStinkBAD | a shower? |
| 02:24.18 | Adys | Sorry, thats the nickname |
| 02:24.25 | Kirkburn|afk | haha |
| 02:24.42 | Adys | much better :P |
| 02:28.00 | Laraul | ugh... i copied mt keybinds from the mac to windows... |
| 02:28.15 | Laraul | one of my binds is Alt-F4 |
| 02:28.43 | Laraul | imagine what happened when I pressed that :/ |
| 02:28.45 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Naaru#Naaru_don.27t_give_a_damn_about_horde |
| 02:28.48 | Adys | what the hell ffs |
| 02:29.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Arg, aggroed! |
| 02:30.09 | Laraul | that post took some time to write |
| 02:30.10 | Adys | lol at Kil Jaeden's gayness comments tbh |
| 02:30.21 | Adys | ~Kil'Jaeden |
| 02:30.38 | Adys | infobot, Kil'Jaeden is gay, and you know it! |
| 02:30.40 | infobot | okay, Adys |
| 02:30.45 | Adys | there we go |
| 02:33.21 | Laraul | i dunno why you people responded :/ |
| 02:33.32 | Laraul | w/e gonna lie down |
| 02:40.43 | Laraul | playtime: 217 days, 17 hrs, 26 minutes and 38 second :/ |
| 02:41.18 | Adys | about 265 days on Adys I think + a few mules and lowbie alts I think I got 275 total |
| 02:44.03 | Laraul | i wonder if my main will stay rested all the way to 70 |
| 02:47.34 | Kirkburn|afk | I only have 32 days played! |
| 02:47.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Almost 33 now |
| 02:53.36 | Montagg | Kiljaeden is gay? |
| 02:53.54 | Montagg | What idiot said that? ;-) |
| 02:54.34 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
| 03:00.56 | Montagg | Kirkburn|afk: A question. Would it be appropriate to remove any further comments by Ogre on Talk:Naaru if they aren't constructive? He's become disruptive enough to warrent it, in my opinion, even though it's kind of tyrannical. |
| 03:03.10 | Kirkburn|afk | Take it on a case by case process |
| 03:03.30 | Kirkburn|afk | The warning may be enough |
| 03:04.02 | Montagg | Agreed. I'd prefer not to remove anything, but I figure in the absense of a reasonable human being, we'd have to default to Wikipedia-like behavior. |
| 03:04.03 | Kirkburn|afk | We're going to have to make another page again, aren't we :P |
| 03:04.42 | Bagginsww | ooh I love how there are fat and skinny models in old hillsbrad heh. |
| 03:04.53 | Montagg | Talk:Naaru/Angry ogre's controversy? I don't think so. |
| 03:04.59 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 03:05.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Bagginsww, yeah, it's awesome |
| 03:05.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Those were the original WoW models afaik - they've been in since the start at least (though so has Old Hillsbrad) |
| 03:05.27 | Bagginsww | if only we saw that variety in the main world LOL |
| 03:06.14 | Montagg | The only difference between Old and New is Durnhold and the skins of the buildings, right? |
| 03:06.49 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm going to start my warrior draenei grrl |
| 03:06.56 | Kirkburn|afk | A few other things |
| 03:07.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Tarren Mill is as it was |
| 03:07.02 | Bagginsww | they really should allow you to look at a map of old hillsbrad though :p |
| 03:07.06 | Kirkburn|afk | And Southshore is awesome |
| 03:07.12 | Kirkburn|afk | No murlocs |
| 03:07.17 | Montagg | w00t. |
| 03:07.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Alterac Valley's walls still exist |
| 03:07.30 | Bagginsww | its cool |
| 03:07.30 | Montagg | Ooo. Interesting. |
| 03:07.32 | Kirkburn|afk | *Mountains |
| 03:07.50 | Montagg | Thoradin's wall is still a mess, I assume. |
| 03:07.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Yup |
| 03:08.00 | Montagg | Okay. Cool. |
| 03:08.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Slightly less broken, though, and the door is closed |
| 03:08.21 | Montagg | My motivation for getting my blood elf to 60 is to see all that stuff. |
| 03:08.26 | Kirkburn|afk | You can see over the wall though |
| 03:08.31 | Montagg | Cool. |
| 03:08.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Yay, Shalaa, my warrior girl :D |
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| 03:10.47 | Montagg | The most ridiculous warrior is by far the female gnome. The voice for "not enough rage" and "need more rage" is hilarious. |
| 03:10.59 | Bagginsww | I also love how it starts playing warcraft II style music |
| 03:11.49 | Montagg | Really? Niice. |
| 03:12.04 | Montagg | I need to play WC2... |
| 03:12.37 | Laraul | you haven't? |
| 03:12.50 | Laraul | when does it play WC2 music? |
| 03:13.14 | Montagg | I started to love Warcraft with Reign of Chaos. |
| 03:13.25 | Montagg | Actually, with "Exodus of the Horde," the demo. |
| 03:13.37 | Laraul | was that 2 or 3? |
| 03:13.39 | Montagg | 3. |
| 03:13.44 | Laraul | hmm... |
| 03:13.57 | Laraul | started with... well 1... but 2 was much better |
| 03:14.21 | Montagg | I'm more interested in WC2, just for the story, seeing the Alliance Expedition and all that. |
| 03:14.36 | Montagg | And the incredibly crappy cinematic sequences. Ohh. ::Splurge.:: |
| 03:14.54 | Laraul | the intro movie was neato |
| 03:14.59 | Laraul | well at the time |
| 03:15.17 | Montagg | They redid it using in-game models for the WC3 credits. |
| 03:15.19 | Bagginsww | it was pretty top of the line at the time |
| 03:15.38 | Laraul | i dunno about that |
| 03:15.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Top of the lin for a game :) |
| 03:16.01 | Kirkburn|afk | *line |
| 03:16.26 | Bagginsww | well for a game cmopany budget |
| 03:16.50 | Laraul | er yeah... i swear when i saw it i remember thinking "that was almost as good as..." well something |
| 03:17.00 | Montagg | infobot |
| 03:17.03 | Laraul | dunno if it was a game or what |
| 03:17.10 | Kirkburn|afk | Time to twink my warrior |
| 03:17.11 | Laraul | it was so long ago |
| 03:17.25 | Montagg | What level is she, Kirkburn|afk ? |
| 03:17.29 | Kirkburn|afk | 2 |
| 03:17.36 | Montagg | Gogo! |
| 03:17.49 | Laraul | i got wc2 before i got the psx |
| 03:17.55 | Montagg | Get your Rusty Mail set, or whatever it is. |
| 03:18.00 | Kirkburn|afk | :D |
| 03:18.00 | Bagginsww | so is tertha's involvment completely removed? |
| 03:18.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Tertha's? |
| 03:18.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Tabetha? |
| 03:18.21 | Bagginsww | Taretha Foxton |
| 03:18.28 | Kirkburn|afk | I meant her :P |
| 03:18.33 | Kirkburn|afk | No, she's been kidnapped |
| 03:18.34 | Montagg | She gets kidnapped. |
| 03:18.42 | Bagginsww | ya which is different right? |
| 03:18.48 | Bagginsww | so you end up standing in for her :p |
| 03:18.53 | Montagg | Pretty much. |
| 03:18.58 | Bagginsww | I'd rather you free her first :p |
| 03:19.09 | Bagginsww | then help her with the diversion :p |
| 03:19.25 | Bagginsww | plays less havoc on the timeline :p |
| 03:19.27 | Montagg | You have to dress in disguises for the diversion, so everyone looks like a human. I can't wait to see what a human hunter looks like. |
| 03:19.44 | Montagg | Or a human druid. |
| 03:19.50 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 03:20.04 | Bagginsww | still Tabetha should have been involved LOL |
| 03:23.10 | Bagginsww | ahh it won't loet you go too far west |
| 03:23.14 | Bagginsww | *let |
| 03:23.24 | Bagginsww | screen starts fading out |
| 03:23.30 | Montagg | Do you have to be a certain level to go in? |
| 03:23.38 | Bagginsww | 65 I think |
| 03:23.42 | Montagg | K. |
| 03:27.01 | Montagg | Oh, Bagginsww, I wanted to ask you a lore question, but not about Warcraft. How much do you know about Starcraft? |
| 03:27.40 | Bagginsww | its been so long I haven't played it in ages |
| 03:27.54 | Bagginsww | can't say I remember much |
| 03:28.20 | Montagg | Do you remember Acturus Mengsk and his backstory at all? |
| 03:28.59 | Bagginsww | I only remember something about him breaking away from Earth and creating his own empire |
| 03:29.27 | Montagg | All right. |
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| 03:29.44 | Montagg | Nevermind then. This is more in-depth stuff, I think. |
| 03:29.50 | Bagginsww | and then expansion was earth forces coming in |
| 03:34.38 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Heroic_Mode |
| 03:34.46 | Adys | are we still adding the BC tag to pages etc? |
| 03:35.04 | Bagginsww | ahh too bad, dieing in old hillsbrad should have allowed you to respawn at a graveyard in the instance LOL |
| 03:35.17 | Shadowed | Montagg: Only NE's look like humans |
| 03:35.53 | Laraul | Ne's? |
| 03:35.56 | Shadowed | night elves |
| 03:36.08 | Adys | baggins: lol |
| 03:37.48 | Laraul | no url icon? tsk tsk |
| 03:39.08 | Montagg | My guildies all turned into humans for that quest, and they were orcs, tauren and trolls. |
| 03:39.27 | Montagg | So maybe it's just non-alliance-at-the-time races. |
| 03:39.36 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 03:40.43 | Laraul | really you gotta have a URL icon! Makes it easy to find in the bookmarks manu |
| 03:40.44 | Adys | montagg: does it for draenei and gnomes too |
| 03:40.52 | Adys | err no not gnomes sorry meant night elves |
| 03:41.16 | Adys | gnomes i believe it doesnt do it |
| 03:41.20 | Adys | dwarves not tested |
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| 03:45.25 | Shadowed | Adys: I can confirm it does not do it to dwarves |
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| 03:45.52 | Shadowed | At least I assume you're talking about old hills in COT |
| 03:46.21 | Montagg | Makes sense. Dwarves (and I suppose gnomes by retconned association) were in the Alliance. |
| 03:46.34 | Montagg | Any word on blood elves? |
| 03:47.11 | Shadowed | If NE are turned into humans, I would imagine BE's would be too |
| 03:47.50 | Zicon | Blood Elves look like High Elves, though. |
| 03:48.13 | Montagg | Zicon: Exactly, which is why I'm curious. |
| 03:48.17 | Shadowed | I have no idea on lore, i'm guessing :p |
| 03:49.21 | Laraul | is Bagginsww is HOP or something? |
| 03:49.30 | Laraul | Er a hopd |
| 03:49.37 | Laraul | w/e |
| 04:05.37 | Laraul | *BURP* |
| 04:05.45 | Laraul | WTF |
| 04:06.09 | Laraul | Type /e and that comes up? |
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| 04:14.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Woot level 6 |
| 04:15.30 | Laraul | sweet! Charlie Brown on TV! |
| 04:16.38 | Laraul | wait a sec |
| 04:17.33 | Laraul | i don't think C. Shultz wrote this |
| 04:30.32 | Adys | Kirkburn you here? |
| 04:30.52 | Laraul | no he's AFK duh ^^ |
| 04:31.46 | Montagg | He's making love to his draenai warrior. |
| 04:32.11 | Adys | Page 98 of the Art of Warcraft: Burning Crusade, there is a few arts of what they say is quel thalas but strangely resembles to a part of the in game emerald dream |
| 04:33.43 | Laraul | lol you got the collectors edition |
| 04:34.21 | Adys | jepp |
| 04:34.26 | Adys | the book alone is worth the additional price |
| 04:34.35 | Montagg | I love those art books. |
| 04:34.37 | Laraul | i just don |
| 04:35.03 | Laraul | agter wc3 i decided i was never gonna get another |
| 04:35.10 | Laraul | er after |
| 04:36.35 | Montagg | I couldn't spend the cash this time, but they're great inspiration. |
| 04:37.00 | Adys | I regret not having bought the first collector edition :/ |
| 04:37.26 | Montagg | I'm sure you can find the art book on ebay somewhere. The DVD sucked. |
| 04:37.38 | Laraul | for WoW? |
| 04:37.46 | Adys | Meh I cant really be arsed to buy it on there tbh |
| 04:37.47 | Montagg | Although having Arthas' ascension on DVD was cool. |
| 04:39.17 | Laraul | I would like to see a documentary about the development of the game from the early stages... |
| 04:39.56 | Laraul | why they decided to go with certain decisions and turn down other ideas |
| 04:40.03 | Laraul | i'm interested in that |
| 04:40.06 | Montagg | I thought the initial collector's edition DVD was going to be that, but it was rather lacking. |
| 04:41.42 | Laraul | I liked the CD that came with Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete |
| 04:41.46 | Laraul | That was neat |
| 04:42.10 | Adys | tbh |
| 04:42.19 | Laraul | tbh? |
| 04:42.28 | Adys | i really wish they made wow graphics as deep as some of their arts etc |
| 04:42.48 | Adys | would take up a huge amount of time and its kinda irrealistic but meh |
| 04:42.55 | Laraul | lol i mean that's why i didn't care for the art... |
| 04:43.43 | Laraul | it really didn't have all that much to do with the game. it was more like the art was for the sole purpose of putting in a book and then selling it |
| 04:44.17 | Adys | you definetly recognize the game |
| 04:44.24 | Adys | its just recolored etc |
| 04:45.02 | Adys | thinking of some nagrand concept arts |
| 04:47.05 | Laraul | I have a book... the art of Halo... but it's full of the concept art and then the comparison to the game model |
| 04:47.16 | Laraul | or what was used in the game |
| 04:47.31 | Laraul | and there is a lot of what they were trying to do and such |
| 04:47.37 | Laraul | it was more than just art |
| 04:47.50 | Laraul | er it is more than just art |
| 04:50.08 | Montagg | I see what you mean. The art in Blizzard's books seems very filtered. I think they're very self-concious about creating a kind of Disneyworld illusion where everything just kinda happens. |
| 04:50.53 | Laraul | The book was not by Bungie or Microsoft... |
| 04:51.07 | Laraul | I mean it was done thru a third party |
| 04:51.29 | Laraul | It was of course authorized by bungie |
| 04:51.47 | Laraul | But I mean Bungie wasn't responsible for what went in the book |
| 04:52.18 | Laraul | I think Blizzard should do that |
| 05:12.41 | Laraul | my cat has learned a bath tube means bad news |
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| 07:10.53 | Adys | Oi Kirkburn|afk |
| 07:11.34 | Adys | er nvm |
| 07:11.42 | Laraul | huh? u just woke me up |
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| 07:16.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, hullo |
| 07:16.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Aren't I allowed to spam the RC list now? |
| 07:17.09 | Adys | Was about to actually propose you to move User:Kirkburn's user pages and User:Kirkburn's Graphics to User:Kirkburn :P |
| 07:17.19 | Adys | when I found out its what you were doing>< |
| 07:17.30 | Kirkburn|afk | :P |
| 07:17.38 | Kirkburn|afk | However, here's the problem |
| 07:17.42 | Kirkburn|afk | I have to move my sig too |
| 07:18.10 | Kirkburn|afk | That may or may not kill the wiki |
| 07:18.46 | Adys | Meh |
| 07:18.54 | Adys | Sod the sig, my category is bigger than yours! |
| 07:18.55 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:User:Adys |
| 07:19.01 | Kirkburn|afk | I want to fiddle with my sig though, maybe |
| 07:19.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh yes, QotD *really* counts |
| 07:19.23 | Kirkburn|afk | ;) |
| 07:19.34 | Adys | Whats wrong with them?! :D |
| 07:19.58 | Adys | Nah honestly I think they are cool |
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| 07:20.26 | Adys | when Ill run out of space I think Ill do an Exists check on Day+month then Day+Month else Day |
| 07:22.11 | Kirkburn|afk | ??? |
| 07:22.28 | Adys | infobot, give Laraul a shower |
| 07:22.38 | infobot | ACTION gives a shower to Laraul |
| 07:24.12 | Laraul | Sorry |
| 07:24.22 | Laraul | I'm in bed now |
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| 07:26.05 | Adys | How does the netherwhelp redemption work? Once you've sent the mail to blizzard, what do they do? |
| 07:26.10 | Adys | they send you it in game or? |
| 07:26.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes |
| 07:26.18 | Adys | hrmm |
| 07:26.29 | Adys | I offered one to a friend of mine basically |
| 07:26.45 | Adys | sent my card, barcode and his account details |
| 07:26.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Bang, there goes the wiki =) |
| 07:27.04 | Adys | It arrives as mail on every character? |
| 07:27.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, afaik |
| 07:27.21 | Adys | hrm okay |
| 07:27.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Hey, it was fast! |
| 07:27.31 | Adys | wiki works great atm :P |
| 07:28.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Like my sig update? :P |
| 07:28.46 | Kirkburn|afk | (wow, so amazing, eh ;) |
| 07:29.07 | bleetah | Hey Big Spender! |
| 07:29.15 | Adys | Not too bad |
| 07:29.21 | Adys | I dont like caps tbh :( |
| 07:29.37 | Kirkburn|afk | People think I'm called Kirkbum! |
| 07:29.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Or Kickbum! |
| 07:29.47 | Adys | LoL |
| 07:30.08 | bleetah | I thought you may have been a Cockburn in denial |
| 07:30.18 | Kirkburn|afk | ... |
| 07:30.36 | Adys | Cock him out of the channel |
| 07:30.39 | Adys | err I mean Kick |
| 07:30.44 | Adys | infobot, cookie |
| 07:30.56 | bleetah | mind you, those kinda comments are usually made by linguistically ignorant fools |
| 07:31.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Another little edit - made it use 'small caps' |
| 07:31.25 | Adys | here goes the wiki^^ |
| 07:31.33 | Adys | Aye I prefer like that =P |
| 07:31.36 | Kirkburn|afk | It was seriously fast |
| 07:31.48 | Kirkburn|afk | What's going on!? How's the wiki being so nice?! |
| 07:32.02 | Adys | btw |
| 07:32.08 | Adys | maybe its time to.. |
| 07:32.09 | Adys | erm |
| 07:32.14 | Adys | how to put that... |
| 07:32.21 | Adys | Well you know, this page... |
| 07:32.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Celebrate? |
| 07:32.28 | Adys | the aldor and scryer one in fact |
| 07:32.43 | Adys | you know.. maybe its time to put it in the popular pages on the sidebar |
| 07:32.52 | Adys | its just a suggestion... well not even that, a thought |
| 07:32.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Craaazzeeeee |
| 07:33.29 | Bagginsww | back |
| 07:33.37 | Bagginsww | went bowling |
| 07:33.38 | Adys | lol at this rate it will be third on the list before next weekend |
| 07:33.57 | Bagginsww | oh adys the art of WoW can be bought seperatley now |
| 07:34.00 | Kirkburn|afk | What can I remove though? |
| 07:34.26 | Bagginsww | I get collector's for the sound track cds though |
| 07:34.26 | Adys | Kirkbum: I would personally say Burning Crusade |
| 07:34.32 | Bagginsww | they have some fun remix pieces sometimes |
| 07:34.41 | Adys | tbh baggins id like to have the whole collector thing |
| 07:35.18 | Adys | Anyways for the popular pages IMO Zones is useless and Burning Crusade is a thing of the past now |
| 07:35.29 | Bagginsww | ahh, well you can't hav emine ;) |
| 07:35.34 | Adys | why :( |
| 07:35.39 | Adys | infobot, cry |
| 07:35.41 | infobot | ACTION cries and sobs until he nearly drowns in his own tears |
| 07:35.41 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 07:35.45 | Adys | thanks |
| 07:35.50 | Adys | i am feeling better now |
| 07:36.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Um, why exactly is it even called 'Zones'? |
| 07:36.20 | Adys | Well its not me who putted it there :P |
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| 07:36.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Bleh, it would take too much to change |
| 07:36.44 | Kirkburn|afk | (there's a zone cat) |
| 07:37.01 | kindergip | http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/ |
| 07:37.15 | Adys | http://worldofwarcraft.judgehype.com/index.php?page=fanfic&ff=1541 - this is quite hilarious |
| 07:37.18 | Adys | Ill translate it |
| 07:37.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, made changed |
| 07:37.45 | Kirkburn|afk | *changes |
| 07:38.00 | Adys | nicey |
| 07:38.14 | Adys | thats odd! the sidebar is on every page of the wiki and its still not slowing down the wiki! |
| 07:38.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Different type of template I think ^^ |
| 07:38.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, that's been translated from english |
| 07:39.00 | Adys | serious? |
| 07:39.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Or, at least, I have seen an english version of it |
| 07:39.08 | Adys | Well this guy sucks then |
| 07:39.16 | Adys | he's taking all the credit >.> |
| 07:39.38 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 07:39.41 | Adys | do you know where the english version is? |
| 07:39.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Basically they're complaining about the lack of players? |
| 07:39.54 | Adys | Yea |
| 07:40.01 | Adys | Lvl 60 boss irc chan |
| 07:40.04 | Kirkburn|afk | No idea where it was |
| 07:40.47 | Adys | http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/remark,17665112 |
| 07:40.57 | Adys | googled "taste the flames of sulfuron" |
| 07:42.24 | Kirkburn|afk | aha |
| 07:44.23 | Adys | {MajordomoExecutus} rag told me to ask you guys if you're all laggin' |
| 07:44.23 | Adys | {Nefarian} nah |
| 07:44.23 | Adys | {BaronRivendare} no i'm goin real fast |
| 07:44.24 | Adys | {Drakkisath} that's what the baroness says |
| 07:50.41 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 07:51.14 | Kirkburn|afk | How does he do it? How does Angry Ogre manage to annoy me even when he's trying to fix something?! |
| 07:51.33 | Adys | lol |
| 07:51.35 | Adys | Kirkburn btw: http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Airchann |
| 07:52.19 | Bagginsww | hmm, so the bones wastes can't be the original warcraft II bonewastes :p... a quest says this bone waste was formed 2 years ago |
| 07:52.52 | Adys | when auchindoun exploded or whatever? |
| 07:53.02 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 07:53.37 | Bagginsww | "It has been two years since Shadow Council summoning that resulted in the explosion of the once-great mausoleaum, and the formation fo the Bone Wastes" |
| 07:53.58 | Adys | what were they summoning?:p |
| 07:54.02 | Adys | infobot, lore |
| 07:54.18 | Bagginsww | not sure |
| 07:54.21 | Adys | infobot, lore? |
| 07:54.34 | Bagginsww | I havne't figured out what caused the explosion |
| 07:55.05 | Adys | ~lore |
| 07:55.07 | infobot | it has been said that lore is snore |
| 07:55.12 | Adys | ah there it goes |
| 07:55.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Bananas. Banananananas, did it |
| 07:55.49 | Adys | Bananananananannnnaaaassss ! |
| 07:55.57 | Adys | .. sry |
| 07:59.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Hehe, I just found out what "The Ziggler" is about |
| 07:59.39 | Kirkburn|afk | (someone just created the article) |
| 07:59.51 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Timeline_%28TBC%29 |
| 07:59.54 | Bagginsww | added in the date |
| 08:00.23 | Kirkburn|afk | The Ziggler is a dirk. |
| 08:00.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Dirk Ziggler |
| 08:00.51 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm now hoping someone here has watched Boogie Knights |
| 08:01.05 | Kirkburn|afk | (http://www.wowwiki.com/The_Ziggler) |
| 08:01.10 | Kirkburn|afk | *Nights |
| 08:01.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Bagginsww .... that's it? |
| 08:02.08 | Bagginsww | well, I think there might be more dates refrenced in the game I haven't put into that timeline. |
| 08:02.27 | Kirkburn|afk | I'll keep an eye out |
| 08:02.36 | Bagginsww | Like the game's saying about 20 years ago for events of Warcraft II expansion |
| 08:12.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Added some trivia - http://www.wowwiki.com/The_Ziggler |
| 08:15.56 | Adys | +category:easter eggs |
| 08:15.58 | Adys | ftw |
| 08:16.54 | Adys | http://www.thotbott.com/?i=55977 oooooh lol |
| 08:16.57 | Adys | I just remembered now |
| 08:29.53 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Timeline_%28unofficial%29 |
| 08:29.57 | Adys | can someone fix the styling >< |
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| 08:31.26 | Kirkburn|afk | What on earth ...? |
| 08:31.47 | Adys | mm? |
| 08:33.08 | Adys | Kirkburn: categorize your archives! nub |
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| 08:46.22 | Bagginsww | oh kirk there might have been a refrence to 500 years ago in Nagrand |
| 08:52.40 | Kirkburn|afk | 8,706 edits now :P |
| 09:00.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Leaping from thought to thought, he continues - http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Anveena_Teague |
| 09:00.55 | Kirkburn|afk | He being the proverbial idiot. |
| 09:04.01 | bleetah | I LIKE CAKE! |
| 09:05.22 | Kirkburn|afk | I want to batter him with a cricket bat, and then batter and deep fry him. |
| 09:06.56 | bleetah | english or kashmiri willow? |
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| 09:13.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Whichever is more painful |
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| 09:21.18 | sancus | "The plot for TBC has yet to be revealed" |
| 09:21.19 | sancus | the fuck? |
| 09:21.24 | sancus | there are people who think WoW has a plot? |
| 09:23.26 | bleetah | kashmir, fer sure.. bit more brittle, but definitely harder |
| 09:24.11 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, the Sunwell is planned to be opened as part of TBC, no? |
| 09:24.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Thus, when it is opened, the plot will proceed |
| 09:24.53 | sancus | the plot doesnt proceed in wow |
| 09:24.55 | sancus | are you on crack |
| 09:25.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Until then (or the Ghostlands book), we don't know what has happened |
| 09:25.19 | Kirkburn|afk | *sigh*, are you really doing this? |
| 09:25.32 | sancus | everything exists in a quasi-nonsensical quantum state of happened/didn't happen |
| 09:25.34 | Kirkburn|afk | It's semantics, sancus |
| 09:25.44 | sancus | it's not semantics |
| 09:26.12 | Kirkburn|afk | The sunwell has not been opened. Therefore we don't know what has, or will happen. Thus "The plot for TBC has yet to be revealed" |
| 09:26.31 | Kirkburn|afk | The plot, or 'happenings' occurs during TBC |
| 09:26.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Therefore is a happening, or 'plot' occurence of TBC |
| 09:27.16 | sancus | practically nothing happens though, as all they do is expand the world outwards, once added, nothing ever changes |
| 09:27.17 | Kirkburn|afk | But since we don't know it, it means the /the plot for TBC has yet to be revealed/ |
| 09:27.19 | sancus | so really nothing proceeds |
| 09:27.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh right, so Forest Song in Ashenvale didn't change? |
| 09:27.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Draenei and blood elves didn't appear around Azeroth? |
| 09:28.00 | sancus | Those are additions which will never change after they've been added. |
| 09:28.13 | sancus | And I have nfc what 'forest song in ashenvale' is, but it sounds like trivial nonsense to me. |
| 09:28.30 | Kirkburn|afk | It's a town that was built as part of the TBC plot progression |
| 09:28.30 | sancus | NESINGWARY MOVED TO OUTLAND, ZOMG, WOW'S NOT STATIC |
| 09:28.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Sorry, but you're being an idiot now |
| 09:29.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Your proof that WoW isn't static is that ... WoW isn't static? |
| 09:29.13 | sancus | Wow is 99% static |
| 09:29.22 | sancus | that's self-evident |
| 09:29.30 | Kirkburn|afk | I didn't say it wasn't! |
| 09:29.45 | Kirkburn|afk | There are elements of WoW which /aren't static/ |
| 09:29.48 | sancus | sure |
| 09:29.51 | sancus | but they're a joke |
| 09:30.05 | sancus | and only exist as justifications to expand the world to provide new static content, in almost every case. |
| 09:30.10 | Kirkburn|afk | So what are you actually arguing now? |
| 09:30.13 | sancus | actually I bet it's every case |
| 09:30.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Are you arguing against there being plot progression, or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing? |
| 09:30.38 | sancus | there's no plot progression |
| 09:30.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Whatever. |
| 09:30.49 | sancus | there's minimal fictional handwaving to justify adding new areas |
| 09:30.53 | sancus | that's not plot in any real sense of the word |
| 09:32.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Do you even understand the idea of plot progression? It doesn't mean the world suddenly turns into something else, it means /changes occur/. |
| 09:33.08 | sancus | I'd argue you don't understand it |
| 09:33.54 | Kirkburn|afk | What the hell do you actually want to happen? Everything to change? Is that the only way they could convince you of plot progression? |
| 09:34.02 | sancus | Changes only occur where they're necessary to add areas, they don't really have any effect on the rest of the world. |
| 09:34.21 | sancus | Despite the fact that draenei magically appear on azeroth, none of the old static content actually changed |
| 09:34.36 | sancus | a town and a couple npcs moving is token stuff |
| 09:34.48 | Kirkburn|afk | It's still /change/ |
| 09:35.17 | sancus | the fact that Nefarian, Ragnaros, and Kel'thuzad are still nonsensically threatening azeroth, despite the fact that the attention of everyone has snapped to Outland because it suddenly appeared is what derails any plot progression |
| 09:35.45 | Adys | kel thuzad is dead now |
| 09:35.56 | sancus | uh huh |
| 09:35.58 | Adys | nefarian and raggy its not said |
| 09:36.09 | sancus | what makes you think he's dead |
| 09:36.13 | Kirkburn|afk | So you are, in fact, railing against the design of the MMO genre. |
| 09:36.16 | Adys | but kel thuzad is dead, and the phylactery was brought to the argent dawn |
| 09:36.41 | Adys | and the story is to be continued |
| 09:36.55 | sancus | no actually |
| 09:36.58 | sancus | he's not dead |
| 09:37.03 | sancus | did you actually read the text of the quest? :P |
| 09:37.09 | Adys | Well you got me :P |
| 09:37.15 | Adys | hes defeated |
| 09:37.18 | sancus | "Someone at Light's Hope will pay you hugely for this artifact. Who cares if Kel'Thuzad regenerates to full power?" |
| 09:37.29 | Adys | yar |
| 09:37.41 | Adys | well here the quest clearly implies it has changes |
| 09:37.53 | sancus | Kirkburn: no, sorry |
| 09:37.59 | Adys | so we can consider hes officially dead |
| 09:38.08 | sancus | If you really think that there's only static content games in the entire mmo genre, you don't have much experience with it |
| 09:38.27 | Kirkburn|afk | ffs, sancus, I KNOW about Eve |
| 09:38.33 | sancus | there's other games than EVE |
| 09:38.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Why, why am I even bothering |
| 09:38.47 | sancus | I'm railing against the fact that Blizzard has 100 times the resources of any other dev studio in the genre |
| 09:38.57 | sancus | and they do nothing interesting with it |
| 09:39.01 | Kirkburn|afk | And much less experience |
| 09:39.14 | Adys | calm down guys :P |
| 09:39.24 | Adys | does it even matter |
| 09:39.35 | Kirkburn|afk | And no, they don't have "100 times the resources", it's comments like that I hate |
| 09:39.38 | Adys | not like any of us can change anything to the fact blizz can do much more etc |
| 09:39.53 | Kirkburn|afk | If you're going to argue or discuss something, don't exaggerate |
| 09:40.18 | sancus | that's only an exaggeration when compared to a few korean mmos |
| 09:41.36 | sancus | I'll drop it to 10x if it makes you feel better :P |
| 09:44.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Changes to WoW occured as a direct results of the opening of the Dark Portal. Kazzak moved. Forest Song was built. Draenei and blood elves appeared around Azeroth. Other NPCs also moved elsewhere. If that's not progression, I don't know what is. For a plot to progress, you don't need to remove all traces of old plot, that's not how this genre of MMO works. Stuff is added to the end and middle, for example. WoW has |
| 09:44.36 | Kirkburn|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.38 | sancus | the indication of time passing is vastly overpowered by all the huge inconsistencies that indicate that it's not |
| 09:45.46 | Adys | tbh sancus is kinda right |
| 09:46.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, of course there are inconsistencies and backfill, but there is time progression |
| 09:46.18 | sancus | and if you think about it |
| 09:46.28 | sancus | they don't NEED to maintain all that static content as static |
| 09:46.40 | Adys | the only thing I really remember that blizzard has done and was worth the name of world event |
| 09:46.40 | sancus | no one really gives a shit about mc/bwl/aq/naxx |
| 09:46.41 | Adys | was the opening of the AQ gates |
| 09:46.41 | sancus | nor should they |
| 09:46.41 | Kirkburn|afk | yes, they do. The players want that. |
| 09:46.47 | sancus | they have been, by definition, obsoleted |
| 09:46.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Up yours. I want them. |
| 09:46.59 | sancus | They could change them into something interesting |
| 09:47.09 | sancus | something that implies that something a player did actually affected the world |
| 09:47.19 | Adys | and nah thats easy said |
| 09:47.22 | sancus | you want them? are you kidding me? |
| 09:47.33 | Adys | but you'll always need a part where you can go back in the old content |
| 09:47.34 | sancus | what for |
| 09:47.43 | Adys | just because ppl want something specific there |
| 09:47.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, because I've never been. |
| 09:47.47 | Adys | like having seen a fight once |
| 09:47.55 | sancus | if you really think being able to go back to static content that is rewardless and purely nostalgia |
| 09:47.58 | Adys | or getting a very specific item etc |
| 09:48.04 | sancus | which is inherently bad for the game |
| 09:48.09 | sancus | stuff them in caverns of time or something |
| 09:48.24 | Adys | easier said than done |
| 09:48.33 | sancus | I didn't say it was easy |
| 09:48.42 | Adys | its a timesink for blizzard |
| 09:48.49 | sancus | you don't make interesting things by doing what's easy |
| 09:49.06 | Adys | yes but this content is useless as you said |
| 09:49.10 | sancus | it is useless |
| 09:49.10 | Adys | its not worth spending so much time on it |
| 09:49.15 | sancus | I said IF there's actually DEMAND for the nostalgia |
| 09:49.19 | sancus | which I doubt |
| 09:49.23 | sancus | then you could do that |
| 09:49.34 | Adys | there is enough people demanding for stuff not to be removed |
| 09:49.38 | Adys | but technically its useless |
| 09:49.46 | Adys | you know it |
| 09:49.46 | sancus | but adjusting them to be something interesting is possible |
| 09:49.54 | Kirkburn|afk | If you're /only/ talking about the instances (which it appears you are, because that's all that appears to matter to you), then I can cope with changes to that |
| 09:49.55 | sancus | since all wow fiction is handwaving for the sake of mechanics anyway |
| 09:50.33 | Adys | of course it is possible but the thing is |
| 09:50.33 | sancus | those instances could be changed into meaningful content for TBC |
| 09:50.34 | Adys | 1/ does blizzard have the time |
| 09:50.34 | Adys | 2/ is putting this time they have worth it |
| 09:50.39 | Adys | 3/ will people be actually interested |
| 09:50.40 | sancus | they probably don't have the time, because their infrastructure for changing their world sucks |
| 09:51.06 | Adys | thats not really the point is it |
| 09:51.25 | sancus | at the end of the day, the reason nothing like this happens in WoW is simply because the architecture was designed for it to be a static world, and for there not to be any meaningful player-driven change |
| 09:51.26 | Adys | you just have to admit that wow is a social game thats all ;) |
| 09:51.35 | sancus | wow is not a social game |
| 09:51.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Meanwhile, I'm a chocolate pudding. |
| 09:52.09 | sancus | It's a social game when compared to a single player game |
| 09:52.21 | sancus | but being social doesnt really matter to the game mechanics very much |
| 09:52.25 | Adys | wanna bet? what keeps 8 million players playing a game that is boring, repetitive, insignificant, not amusing, and actually useless? |
| 09:52.43 | Adys | look at all the people whining, all the players who almost quitted when bc was near etc |
| 09:52.45 | sancus | I never said that static content is boring |
| 09:52.49 | Adys | and finally everyone comes back |
| 09:52.55 | Adys | its because they have friends there |
| 09:53.00 | sancus | a lot of people seem to enjoy it |
| 09:53.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Player-driven change? Is that what this is about? You want players to change the world? |
| 09:53.14 | sancus | players already change the world |
| 09:53.19 | Adys | this game is 100% about having friends thats all |
| 09:53.21 | sancus | the world just ignores them and goes back to its previous state after they've done it |
| 09:53.40 | sancus | which is why there isnt any real progression |
| 09:53.40 | Adys | and sancus: the thing is you cant really do otherwise can you |
| 09:53.45 | Adys | look at the princess in brd for example |
| 09:53.47 | Kirkburn|afk | And damn right too, because this is a set lore driven game, not one driven by players desires |
| 09:53.50 | sancus | you absolutely can |
| 09:53.56 | sancus | err |
| 09:53.59 | Adys | if everyone in the party saved her, she gets replaced |
| 09:54.00 | sancus | it's not a lore driven game |
| 09:54.03 | sancus | you're crazy |
| 09:54.16 | sancus | the lore is driven by the necessities of adding things for people to kill |
| 09:54.25 | Adys | and yes kirkburn hes right there |
| 09:54.30 | sancus | it's a foozle-whacking game |
| 09:54.35 | Adys | wow is definetly not a lore driven game |
| 09:54.41 | sancus | with the lore handwaved on top of it |
| 09:55.00 | Adys | Archbishop Benedictus taking over Stormwind's government because of a bug was ridiculous |
| 09:55.09 | Adys | and is a good example of how much they really care about it |
| 09:55.19 | sancus | why should they care |
| 09:55.19 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm saying that the players don't decide the lore, not that the lore is all written before the game. |
| 09:55.21 | sancus | the lore is irrelevant |
| 09:55.22 | Adys | there will always be a place for it etc ofc but game > lore in terms of importance |
| 09:55.53 | Kirkburn|afk | By us killing a mob, we do not decide that that mob is dead. Blizzard do that. |
| 09:56.12 | sancus | exactly, which is why there's no progression |
| 09:56.14 | Kirkburn|afk | They choose. Thus is it not a player-driven game like Eve |
| 09:56.21 | Kirkburn|afk | What? No! |
| 09:56.28 | sancus | they choose because they HAVE TO |
| 09:56.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Blizzard can progress the game, duh |
| 09:56.31 | Adys | Again not really |
| 09:56.31 | sancus | only when they need to |
| 09:56.33 | sancus | to add more foozles |
| 09:56.34 | Adys | thrall is killable |
| 09:56.35 | sancus | to whack |
| 09:56.36 | Adys | for example |
| 09:56.42 | Adys | and he has been killed in many servers |
| 09:56.56 | Adys | yet he will still be alive when blizz will release the next part of all their stuff |
| 09:57.25 | Adys | many npcs are killable and will never be considered dead |
| 09:57.28 | sancus | the reason I say wow isn't really a social game |
| 09:57.42 | sancus | is because socialization is at your convenience, it is of minimal importance to the gameplay |
| 09:57.53 | sancus | a guild is an isolated entity, and need not have relations or even give two shits whether there's anybody else on the server |
| 09:57.59 | Adys | be it npcs that are intended to be killed (think about drekthar) or some that are not (jaina) |
| 09:58.16 | Kirkburn|afk | I am not saying there is a lot of plot progression, perhaps only a few months, but it exists. Kazzak was in Blasted Lands. He opens Dark Portal. Kazzak is in Outland! That is plot progression. It exists. This is what I am saying. |
| 09:59.12 | Kirkburn|afk | I don't care if it for gameplay reasons or player reasons of "Blizz are crap" reasons. It still happens. |
| 09:59.23 | Kirkburn|afk | *or |
| 10:00.16 | Kirkburn|afk | The original quote was "The plot for TBC has yet to be revealed". This is true. It doesn't matter when the plot fits into the timeline, it's still new. |
| 10:00.19 | sancus | Fine, I'll grant that trivial plot progression happens. |
| 10:00.47 | sancus | It's still totally inconsistent and terrible, though. |
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| 10:01.01 | sancus | which is the main reason I laughed at that quote |
| 10:01.19 | sancus | because the fact that anyone cares besides the people who get paid to do the handwaving is amusing to me |
| 10:01.20 | Adys | Well here is the thing, Kazzak was putted in game meant to be killed by players |
| 10:01.37 | Adys | so why was he still alive, like months later, to open the dark portal? |
| 10:01.44 | sancus | like, the curtain isn't even opaque |
| 10:01.48 | sancus | it's transparent |
| 10:01.54 | Kirkburn|afk | I know, it must be hard to think that Blizzard care about their creation ... |
| 10:02.11 | sancus | caring about the lore and their creation are two entirely different things |
| 10:02.25 | Kirkburn|afk | I mean, it's not as if Metzen spends his life writing this stuff, or cares about his job |
| 10:02.39 | sancus | Their creation is a thing of gameplay and content, the lore is a transparent curtain laid over it for the sake of trying to make the basic pieces of the world have some sort of sense to them |
| 10:02.51 | Kirkburn|afk | No, all he does is mess things up and not bother with progression plots, eh? |
| 10:02.57 | sancus | beyond "jeez, we need a reason for there to be foozle y here so player a can nuke it' |
| 10:03.37 | sancus | if I were metzen, I would long ago have granted that WoW is a joke from a lore perspective |
| 10:03.42 | sancus | and the reason I continue to do my job is because I like money |
| 10:03.51 | sancus | which is a very good reason, don't get me wrong! |
| 10:04.21 | sancus | but come on |
| 10:04.47 | sancus | his job is basically 'head of trying to make sure things aren't completely illogical' |
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| 10:05.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, assuming that Kazzak was in game *to be killed* is a bit of a leap - yes, he was a raid boss, but so's Azuregos. I don't think anyone thinks we're 'killing' him |
| 10:05.25 | sancus | mmos are a terrible vehicle for telling a story |
| 10:05.42 | sancus | if telling a story was really your goal above all else? you dont make an mmo |
| 10:05.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Well, they can be good with excellent forward planning |
| 10:05.58 | Adys | Say, Ill let you slip for kazzak |
| 10:06.05 | Adys | will assume no one actually bothered to kill kazzak |
| 10:06.06 | sancus | they CAN be if you beat them into shape with a TON of effort |
| 10:06.08 | Kirkburn|afk | But you'd have to do so much in advance as to never release the MMO :P |
| 10:06.11 | sancus | but that doesn't make them a good vehicle |
| 10:06.12 | Adys | but go onto drek thar example |
| 10:06.22 | sancus | it just means an excellent driver who spends 2 decades studying a road can drive anything over it :P |
| 10:06.59 | sancus | saying blizzard cares deeply about their lore and stuff is silly |
| 10:07.09 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, well, depends how you look at it. They're an excellent way of displaying the lore as you're actually part of it, but it's a bitch to keep up. So perhaps it's a good lovely vehicle, but it breaks down far too easily? |
| 10:07.13 | sancus | they may say that in public, but I guarantee to you that in-house they're laughing as much as anyone else about lorelol.ytmnd.com |
| 10:07.31 | sancus | and they're well aware of how nonsensical the world is |
| 10:07.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Some people actually are passionate about their jobs |
| 10:07.48 | sancus | you can be passionate about your job without taking it too seriously |
| 10:07.57 | Kirkburn|afk | It's only nonsensical if you insist on taking everything literally |
| 10:08.02 | sancus | and i'm sure metzen does other things than write lore for WoW |
| 10:08.15 | Kirkburn|afk | He's Creative Director |
| 10:08.20 | Kirkburn|afk | So he does the other series' too |
| 10:08.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Plus novels, etc, all sorts of creative stuff |
| 10:08.41 | sancus | yep |
| 10:08.51 | sancus | and a lot of that stuff is great for storyline, so I'm sure he's passionate about that |
| 10:12.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyhoo, I think we've come to some sort of accord :) |
| 10:13.42 | sancus | yep, wow sucks, hope you all die in a couch fire. |
| 10:13.44 | sancus | cordially, ofc |
| 10:13.46 | sancus | :P |
| 10:15.11 | Kirkburn|afk | haha |
| 10:15.25 | Kirkburn|afk | So what time of the morning are you going to sleep? |
| 10:15.33 | Kirkburn|afk | (same goes for Adys!?) |
| 10:15.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Or wait, did you just get up, Adys? |
| 10:16.00 | Adys | meh |
| 10:16.04 | Adys | I got up at 20.30 yesterday |
| 10:16.10 | Adys | and slept about 40 minutes tonight |
| 10:16.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah yeah, you said |
| 10:16.50 | Adys | im gonna try and stay up until tonight |
| 10:17.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Same |
| 10:17.16 | Adys | im downloading a few hundreds of gigabytes of por.. i mean of wow installers :P |
| 10:17.28 | Adys | Downloading the 2.0.0 frFR installer atm |
| 10:17.35 | Adys | when its done ill dl the 2.0.0 enGB |
| 10:17.39 | Adys | its just good to have them |
| 10:17.48 | Adys | in case i need them one day |
| 10:18.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, we all need our po- WoW installers some days |
| 10:18.26 | Adys | my WoW Archive folder is now 50gb |
| 10:18.55 | Kirkburn|afk | "I'm just going to install WoW! DON'T COME IN! It's a, uh, private, install." |
| 10:19.18 | Kirkburn|afk | *Private(TM) |
| 10:21.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, wait ... I just read what you said. 50GB?? |
| 10:21.17 | Adys | jep |
| 10:22.37 | Adys | Ill send you a screenshot a sec |
| 10:22.59 | Kirkburn|afk | woot |
| 10:23.54 | sancus | prob soon since EVE has downtime in 40 minutes |
| 10:24.11 | Kirkburn|afk | How long do they go down for? |
| 10:24.18 | sancus | about 30-40 minutes |
| 10:24.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Once a week? |
| 10:24.29 | sancus | no once a day |
| 10:24.33 | sancus | its officially an hour, but it's always up early |
| 10:24.36 | sancus | unless there's a patch or something |
| 10:24.40 | Kirkburn|afk | That's quite good |
| 10:24.48 | Kirkburn|afk | Easily planned around |
| 10:25.00 | sancus | their uptime estimates are the most accurate I've seen from any mmo company, generally |
| 10:25.15 | sancus | sometimes their patches go over by a couple of hours |
| 10:25.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Bit easier for them since it's all one world, but cool |
| 10:25.31 | sancus | er |
| 10:25.34 | sancus | it's actually harder :P |
| 10:25.43 | Adys | http://adys.stools.net/temp/wowarchives.jpg - I got for a few of them the MPQs with the file differences and stuff beetween patches aswell. 3gb of installers on my desktop aswell so about 50gb :P |
| 10:26.36 | sancus | there's probably like as many nodes in EVE as there are in I dunno, 20 or 30 WoW servers at least |
| 10:26.47 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, no, I'm saying that it's either all up or all down, unlike WoW where you'll have servers coming up at all sorts of times making it harder to coordinate. Eve's servers are also only in one location, no? |
| 10:26.58 | sancus | it's actually not |
| 10:27.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah, okay |
| 10:27.04 | sancus | like I said, they have hundreds and hundreds of nodes |
| 10:27.12 | sancus | it's like the continents on a wow server |
| 10:27.17 | sancus | except instead of 3 seperate nodes |
| 10:27.19 | sancus | there's a few hundred |
| 10:27.26 | sancus | if not a thousand, I honestly dont know |
| 10:27.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Different areas of space? |
| 10:27.31 | sancus | yeah |
| 10:27.38 | sancus | the game world is huge |
| 10:27.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Smooth transistions? |
| 10:27.51 | sancus | to go from one end to the other normally travelling takes several hours |
| 10:28.08 | Adys | ive been tempted to try Eve out tbh but im not sure |
| 10:28.12 | sancus | No, you travel from one system ot another with jumpgates |
| 10:28.20 | sancus | though um |
| 10:28.30 | sancus | I think you can technically fly between systems to get a smooth transition if you actually wanted to |
| 10:28.39 | sancus | but since the distances are so unimaginably gigantic, it's nearly impossible to do that |
| 10:28.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys .... why the backups? Just why?! |
| 10:28.47 | Adys | I got rl to sort out and I just want something to play when I have a bit of time to spend |
| 10:28.57 | Adys | what backups? |
| 10:29.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Okay, archives |
| 10:29.28 | sancus | tbh, some aspects of EVE make me wish I wasn't playing a social game |
| 10:29.33 | sancus | and just want to log in and kill stuff in Wow! |
| 10:29.37 | Adys | oh |
| 10:29.54 | sancus | dealing with all the independent political entities when you move into a section of space is quite frankly a nightmare |
| 10:29.58 | Adys | It started because i wanted to make it easier for me to compare files in mpqs |
| 10:30.04 | Adys | so see whats been modified and when |
| 10:30.24 | Adys | and I added up some stuff like various installers n stuff just in case I need em :P |
| 10:30.50 | sancus | We have to contact about 50 different people just so that the wrong people don't shoot at us :/ |
| 10:30.51 | Adys | Well zhTW and zhCN are empty folders thank god^^ |
| 10:31.17 | sancus | and some of those people don't speak english! |
| 10:31.19 | sancus | which makes it even more fun! |
| 10:31.33 | Adys | Sancus: whats your opinion about eve, would it be a nice timekiller for a casual player? |
| 10:31.57 | Adys | i mean i really dont wanna get involved with another game like I did for wow |
| 10:32.01 | Kirkburn|afk | K, going away for a while, bbl |
| 10:32.06 | sancus | yeah but you wont get the most out of the game that way probably |
| 10:32.11 | Adys | because I know I would and I dont have the time to :P |
| 10:32.13 | Adys | cya kirk |
| 10:32.21 | sancus | I mean, you can play it casually easier than WOW progression wise |
| 10:32.34 | sancus | since you train offline you never really feel like you have to log on or you're going to fall behind |
| 10:33.12 | sancus | but to get into player-controlled space, whomever you join up with will expect you to be somewhat active at least, depending on who you do join |
| 10:33.18 | sancus | you dont speak russian do you?! |
| 10:33.27 | Adys | a bit why :p |
| 10:33.42 | sancus | becauase we're dealing with a major russian alliance now and it's a pain in the ass :p |
| 10:33.48 | Adys | lol |
| 10:33.58 | Adys | I have two years of russian behind me but thats it :P |
| 10:34.09 | Adys | well, two years... |
| 10:34.13 | sancus | yeah thats prob not going to cut it, especially with the amount of slang and shit in an mmo |
| 10:34.46 | Adys | meh |
| 10:34.51 | sancus | their diplomats mostly speak english "reasonably well" |
| 10:35.02 | sancus | but you never have the pull that another russian has with them |
| 10:35.19 | sancus | there's a french alliance |
| 10:35.25 | sancus | but we dont talk to them very much! |
| 10:35.28 | Adys | >< |
| 10:35.52 | sancus | http://www.eve-online.com/alliances/a_166439722.asp |
| 10:36.11 | sancus | they're pretty cool though, our parent entity is allied with them |
| 10:37.11 | Adys | I started a break from wow a while ago because I needed some time to sort rl and was getting really way too much involved with it, but wow itself for me is still kinda fun (mostly boring but the game in its heart and what i do for it is fun) and I hate having lost many of my friends |
| 10:37.29 | Adys | and now im stuck with nothing to do |
| 10:37.36 | sancus | what annoyed me about WoW is how scheduled everything has to be |
| 10:37.43 | sancus | raids and shit |
| 10:37.47 | Adys | other than watching movies and waiting weeks and weeks for answers etc |
| 10:37.50 | sancus | I'm never living my life around a raid schedule again, that's retarded |
| 10:38.01 | Adys | hehe yeah i would agree |
| 10:38.10 | sancus | in EVE, though I do put in a lot of time |
| 10:38.11 | Adys | but i was basically online 24/7 so couldnt miss raids anyways :P |
| 10:38.13 | sancus | if I NEED to not play for a couple days |
| 10:38.14 | sancus | it doesnt matter |
| 10:38.20 | sancus | I dont lose anything |
| 10:39.01 | Adys | i should just get a solo game |
| 10:39.04 | sancus | the other thing that helps is there's no #-of-players restriction on anything |
| 10:39.24 | sancus | so if you need to include an infrequent player in whatever you happen to be doing at the moment when he logs in |
| 10:39.25 | sancus | it's no problem |
| 10:39.40 | sancus | whereas in a serious wow guild, you can't do that very easily |
| 10:40.00 | Adys | is there much enjoyable solo content there? |
| 10:40.01 | sancus | since the raid is full, or it'll piss off people who play more often, or what have you |
| 10:40.19 | sancus | almost everything is soloable |
| 10:40.28 | sancus | they do have a "quests" analogue type thing |
| 10:40.31 | Adys | well thats cool |
| 10:40.34 | sancus | missions, which are pretty much the same |
| 10:41.25 | Adys | is there some sort of levelling whatsoever? or basically something you do for a period of time until switching to a different playstyle |
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| 10:41.32 | sancus | there's skills |
| 10:41.46 | sancus | you set a skill to train, and how fast it trains is based on your attribute |
| 10:41.49 | sancus | but otherwise purely a matter of time |
| 10:41.55 | sancus | and it trains whether you're on or offline |
| 10:42.11 | sancus | you dont have to do anything to train |
| 10:42.19 | sancus | other than set the skills to train and buy new skillbooks when you need new ones |
| 10:42.25 | sancus | (to learn new skills) |
| 10:43.26 | Adys | if I actually buy the game to throw it away like in 4-5 months, would it be worth it? |
| 10:43.27 | sancus | there isn't really any way to 'max out' |
| 10:43.34 | sancus | you dont have to buy the game |
| 10:43.39 | sancus | there's a free trial thing |
| 10:43.50 | Adys | yeah I know but sod trials tbh |
| 10:44.17 | Adys | either i get addicted right away and want to buy it but know ill get so addicted that I will involve myself too much |
| 10:44.30 | Adys | or I dont like it and am still with nothing to do :P |
| 10:45.07 | sancus | https://secure.eve-online.com/ft/?aid=102321&nogreet=1 |
| 10:45.33 | sancus | the game isnt sold in stores anymore or anything like that |
| 10:46.02 | sancus | i think you just buy an account key off the site when you want to upgrade your account to full, and thats it |
| 10:46.28 | Adys | how much is it? |
| 10:47.00 | sancus | 20 bucks |
| 10:47.00 | sancus | https://secure.eve-online.com/ |
| 10:47.11 | sancus | so um |
| 10:47.18 | Adys | any monthly fee or whatever? |
| 10:47.18 | sancus | basically $5 because the monthly fee is $15 |
| 10:47.22 | Adys | ah |
| 10:47.24 | sancus | and you get a free month with it |
| 10:47.47 | sancus | one of the cool things though, is that you can pay for your game time with in-game money |
| 10:47.53 | sancus | by buying game time codes from people who buy them to sell |
| 10:48.02 | sancus | its an officially supported thing you can do on their forums |
| 10:48.14 | Adys | and is it realistic? :P |
| 10:48.22 | sancus | yes |
| 10:48.36 | sancus | I make enough money to buy a month's gameplay in a couple of hours |
| 10:48.54 | sancus | it would take a few months of training to get to where I'm at |
| 10:49.09 | sancus | but its definitely within the realm of reasonable, you dont have to play the game for a year or something |
| 10:49.15 | Adys | well thats kinda nice |
| 10:49.53 | sancus | its not at all like WoW, I should warn you |
| 10:49.55 | sancus | you have to be pretty patient |
| 10:50.01 | sancus | it's a long term game |
| 10:50.31 | sancus | in WoW, you max out your level in a month of hardcore play, and gear up in another couple of months |
| 10:50.42 | Adys | way less :P |
| 10:50.48 | Adys | you can get to 70 easy in two weeks |
| 10:50.51 | Adys | w/e |
| 10:50.56 | sancus | to fly the most powerful ships in EVE it takes a year or two at least :) |
| 10:51.00 | sancus | and most people will never be able to afford it |
| 10:51.09 | sancus | there are ship types of which there exist less than 10 of the ship in the whole game |
| 10:51.31 | Adys | Well still if the game is playable and a nice timekiller |
| 10:51.37 | sancus | yeah just saying |
| 10:51.41 | Adys | i dont really want to max out n stuff like i did for wow |
| 10:51.43 | sancus | if you are an achiever who needs to max out now now now now |
| 10:51.45 | sancus | you'll prob htae it :p |
| 10:51.50 | sancus | because thats basically impossible |
| 10:51.50 | Adys | I am >< |
| 10:51.58 | Adys | not the "now now now now" part |
| 10:52.00 | sancus | theres no concept of 'max out' in eve |
| 10:52.18 | sancus | it would take 20 years or something like that to train every skill |
| 10:52.21 | sancus | someone did the math once |
| 10:52.25 | Adys | lol |
| 10:52.36 | sancus | basically what happens |
| 10:52.41 | sancus | is you just specialize in more areas as you play for a longer time |
| 10:52.43 | Adys | and how playable is is for a new player? |
| 10:52.57 | sancus | so a 3-year-old player can fly a dozen different ships, you can only fly one well after a month |
| 10:53.06 | sancus | but you can fly that ship close to as well as he can |
| 10:53.21 | sancus | it's pretty playable |
| 10:53.31 | sancus | honestly |
| 10:53.39 | sancus | a lot of people think the smaller ships that oyu fly as a newb are the most fun to fly |
| 10:54.18 | sancus | and every ship has a purpose in pvp |
| 10:54.33 | sancus | people dont just fly the biggest ships, you need all the different sizes and types |
| 10:54.43 | sancus | that's why it's hard to compare to a levelling mmo |
| 10:54.51 | sancus | a cruiser is bigger than a frigate |
| 10:54.58 | sancus | but a cruiser is not necessarily better, it depends on what you are trying to do with it |
| 10:56.21 | sancus | as a new player what you'd probably do |
| 10:56.47 | sancus | is run missions for a while in safe space until you're trained up enough that you can reasonably do things in 0.0, which would be about a month I suspect, though they did up the newbie skills recently so im not 100% sure |
| 10:57.04 | sancus | running missions isnt glamorous or anything, but its about the same as questing in WoW |
| 10:58.01 | sancus | you'll want to spend a couple of weeks in safety learning how to play the game in any case :p |
| 10:58.17 | sancus | player-controlled space is all free for all pvp, no exceptions |
| 10:58.18 | Adys | im going to greece in two weeks >< |
| 10:58.29 | Adys | wonder if its worth starting now |
| 10:58.32 | sancus | sure |
| 10:58.48 | sancus | keep in mind you can set a long skill training while you're in greece |
| 10:58.57 | Adys | yea |
| 10:59.07 | Adys | know what, ill give it a shot |
| 10:59.14 | Adys | if its shit then too bad :P |
| 10:59.17 | sancus | sure, w/e |
| 10:59.27 | sancus | its not for everyone |
| 11:00.23 | sancus | the best one-liner you can say about eve is that it's a simulation more than a game, and that means there is intentionally a lot of bad stuff that comes with the good |
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| 11:12.44 | Nexus | hola ~ |
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| 11:13.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Hola, from someone who's not really here and running off again :) |
| 11:13.27 | Nexus | :) |
| 11:13.44 | sancus | jerk |
| 11:14.00 | sancus | you and your fake-afking! |
| 11:14.21 | kuinkala | :) |
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| 11:28.36 | Barcode | hi guys |
| 11:28.42 | Barcode | anyone play any good private server? |
| 11:29.17 | Barcode | anyone here? |
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| 11:34.30 | Barcode | hi elate |
| 11:34.39 | Barcode | do u play good Wow private server? |
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| 11:37.56 | elate | guess that answered that question |
| 11:39.03 | sancus | yep! |
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| 12:03.07 | Nexus | blizz totally failed me as a hemo rogue with tbc >_> |
| 12:05.38 | sancus | didnt you read the warning label on tbc |
| 12:05.53 | sancus | it clearly said, in a big yellow box, "FUCK HEMO ROGUES" |
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| 17:19.56 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Zeth%27kur Do they really know for sure that its the same location? |
| 17:20.15 | Bagginsww | Zeth'kur was by the seas, Zeth'gor is in the mountains :p |
| 17:21.48 | Bagginsww | Zeth'gor is inland :p |
| 17:22.00 | Bagginsww | I don't see anythying in common, besides the name. |
| 17:23.10 | sancus | seems unlikely they're the same |
| 17:23.21 | sancus | Zeth'xxx could be a whole chain of cities |
| 17:23.25 | sancus | with slightly diff names |
| 17:23.32 | Bagginsww | ya, like trolls name their cities Zul |
| 17:23.33 | winkiller | Zeth'Gekko! |
| 17:23.38 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 17:23.42 | Bagginsww | I think we should sploit that |
| 17:23.46 | Bagginsww | *split |
| 17:24.20 | Bagginsww | besides Zeth'kur was comopletley destroyed in the expansion |
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| 17:52.55 | Kirkburn|afk | That's a point, I didn't question that wisdom |
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| 17:55.36 | Adys | ive banned Gsdkp, he was added to the vandal list and seem to be doing editwars to keep his links. He started to annoy me too |
| 17:56.55 | Laraul | ... |
| 17:58.04 | Kirkburn|afk | No |
| 17:58.07 | Kirkburn|afk | He is NOT a vandal |
| 17:58.38 | Kirkburn|afk | His links work |
| 17:58.51 | Kirkburn|afk | You give peopla a warning before you just go and block them for adding links to info] |
| 17:59.02 | Laraul | you know... it's not very ethical to ban someone just because they happen to "annoy" you |
| 17:59.14 | Kirkburn|afk | I don't know what's up with some people's browsers, but the links /work/ |
| 17:59.27 | Laraul | also banning is a last a resort |
| 17:59.45 | Kirkburn|afk | This is correct |
| 18:01.46 | Laraul | unless they do something like threaten to kill another member (irl) you usually give several warnings |
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| 18:08.03 | Adys | Kirkburn|afk: they dont for me |
| 18:08.19 | Laraul | Still they work for Kirkburn|afk |
| 18:08.29 | Laraul | What links let me try |
| 18:08.38 | Adys | and the fact he actually is keeping up edit wars to keep the link on his pages is using the wiki as a moneymaker and nothing else |
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| 18:09.36 | Laraul | It takes more than one person to have any type of war |
| 18:09.57 | Kirkburn|afk | sec |
| 18:10.23 | Laraul | I'm saying if you don't fight him and remove his links he won't be a problem |
| 18:10.50 | Laraul | Honestly I see no problem with having more links... |
| 18:11.34 | Laraul | Unless they point to something totally unrealted... like a lingerie website on how to play as a Rogue |
| 18:12.02 | derivativ | I wouldn't mind reading a lingerie website on how to play as a Rogue |
| 18:12.16 | Adys | lol |
| 18:15.25 | Adys | i gotta run for now sorry |
| 18:15.28 | Adys | ill be back later tonight |
| 18:20.05 | Laraul | my heart is gonna explode |
| 18:20.28 | Kirkburn|afk | That's not so good |
| 18:20.56 | Laraul | I'm trying to watch Saw II... while right an AppleScript :/ |
| 18:21.00 | Laraul | Er write |
| 18:22.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Added this note to his talk page: http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Gsdkp |
| 18:25.38 | winkiller | that chess event link looks fine for me |
| 18:25.59 | sancus | its anti-french obv |
| 18:26.21 | winkiller | lol, ip-restrictions maybe |
| 18:26.26 | winkiller | that |
| 18:26.35 | winkiller | 'd explain it maybe, yea |
| 18:36.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, can't reach the wiki |
| 18:37.10 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyone else? |
| 18:38.34 | winkiller | works |
| 18:38.50 | winkiller | but I had spontaneous "has a problem" throughout the last days |
| 18:39.06 | winkiller | but then again I only looked up stuff before and didn't browse much |
| 18:41.00 | Kirkburn|afk | The 'has a problem' thing appears to have died down finally |
| 18:42.50 | winkiller | last time.. mhm, roughly 24h ago |
| 18:43.02 | winkiller | no time today to check :P |
| 18:47.46 | derivativ | seems to be working ok for me |
| 18:49.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Switched to FF, and it worked :/ |
| 18:50.21 | derivativ | is there anything in common about people who complain about that dude's links not working |
| 18:50.24 | derivativ | all euro maybe |
| 18:50.30 | derivativ | geo_ip could definitely be a problem |
| 18:50.48 | winkiller | <- germany, works |
| 18:52.21 | Tekkub | ugh, I hate the API howtos |
| 18:52.42 | Tekkub | they suck big floppy tauren dick |
| 18:52.51 | Tekkub | plus they're all written for cosmos :) |
| 18:54.14 | derivativ | well I'm able to hit that dude's site from multiple location in the US as well as through proxies in japan, france, canada, israel, and brazil |
| 18:54.31 | derivativ | >- helpful noob |
| 19:00.57 | kindergip | morning gang |
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| 19:26.53 | |FF|Im2good4u | witch is the most easyest outland raid instace ? |
| 19:30.39 | Kirkburn|afk | HFC:Ramparts |
| 19:31.05 | |FF|Im2good4u | ramparts isnt a raid instance |
| 19:31.24 | |FF|Im2good4u | im looking for a raid instace for my guild to start whit |
| 19:40.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh raid, sorry :P |
| 19:40.57 | Kirkburn|afk | No idea |
| 19:41.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Gruul, perhaps |
| 19:56.17 | derivativ | Probably Gruul, that seems to be what the big raid guilds on argent dawn are starting off on, I'm going to assume they've done their research |
| 19:57.38 | derivativ | I know that the first boss is only a couple of trash mobs in, so expect to start out learning :) |
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| 20:58.41 | Teomyr | zomg |
| 20:58.56 | Teomyr | someone is going berserk on the wiki |
| 21:02.27 | axxo | where?! |
| 21:02.50 | Teomyr | look at recent changes list |
| 21:02.57 | Teomyr | user "Street scholar is a sexist asshole" |
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| 21:07.24 | winkiller | Kirkburn|afk: getting the "has a problem" again |
| 21:09.39 | Laraul | Hello World! |
| 21:11.15 | Laraul | I'm writing all this thru AppleScript rather than into the application itself |
| 21:11.15 | Laraul | I'm working out how this works (scripting this application) |
| 21:31.32 | Laraul | Umm did you all just see that? |
| 21:31.41 | kindergip | white cap letters |
| 21:32.44 | Laraul | White letters? |
| 21:32.59 | kindergip | sorry, I use an Amiga and it is hard to impress |
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| 21:33.25 | kindergip | wb |
| 21:35.42 | Laraul | Are you getting any PRIVMSGs? |
| 21:35.57 | kindergip | yes |
| 21:36.04 | Laraul | lol k |
| 21:36.09 | kindergip | aren't you getting replies? |
| 21:36.13 | Laraul | No |
| 21:36.27 | kindergip | hmmm...my Amiga is sometimes picky about who I talk to |
| 21:36.56 | kindergip | [13:34:42]<Laraul>/msg kindergip kindergip kindergip kjkk |
| 21:36.56 | kindergip | [13:34:52]*Laraul COLOR BOLD COLOR UNDERLINE BOLD COLOR PLAIN PLAIN BOLD |
| 21:36.56 | kindergip | [13:35:12]<kindergip>oooh, now some are Bold capital leters |
| 21:36.56 | kindergip | [13:35:55]<Laraul>Can you see this? |
| 21:36.56 | kindergip | [13:36:04]<kindergip>Can I see what? |
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| 21:52.45 | Kirkburn|afk | You have to be registered to send PMs |
| 21:53.08 | Kirkburn|afk | It worked in the end? |
| 21:54.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Teomyr, thank you for your help |
| 21:54.30 | kindergip | me register soon |
| 21:54.31 | Teomyr | np :D |
| 21:54.41 | kindergip | and then auto logon makescript |
| 21:55.36 | Teomyr | though http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:RC makes me look evil now |
| 21:58.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Hey, it's gone really short |
| 21:59.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Teomyr, lol I see what you mean |
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| 22:26.08 | winkiller | Kirkburn|afk: in case you missed it, I had the "not working" 90-120min ago |
| 22:26.20 | Kirkburn|afk | I saw, I got it too |
| 22:26.25 | winkiller | ok |
| 22:26.35 | winkiller | just because you said it may be resolved :P |
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| 23:10.25 | Montagg | (I love when people put stuff on the AH for less than it sells to a vendor. Free money!0 |
| 23:10.29 | Montagg | ^) |
| 23:11.01 | winkiller | maybe they use auctioneer |
| 23:11.21 | winkiller | that's the reason I threw it away, removed the default value |
| 23:12.20 | Montagg | I considered it, but I work fast on AH. Would be useful for calculating the value of crafted items, though. |
| 23:12.53 | Montagg | Deciding whether to craft or not to craft usually trips me up. |
| 23:13.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Montagg, what did you buy? |
| 23:13.23 | Montagg | Kirkburn|afk: Golden Pearls for 70s a piece when they sell to vendors for 1g. |
| 23:13.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Waiit, I think I saw people doing that with Knothide |
| 23:13.27 | Kirkburn|afk | haha |
| 23:13.38 | Montagg | I made about a gold. |
| 23:14.22 | Montagg | ::Laughs.:: I thought your block note said Street scholar was a "sexiest asshole." |
| 23:14.56 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
| 23:15.30 | Kirkburn|afk | I've already had to give Adys a wrist slapping today over his overzealous blocking :P |
| 23:16.28 | Montagg | I saw that. Gyds or something? |
| 23:17.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Gsdkp |
| 23:17.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Weird that his links only work for some people |
| 23:17.18 | Kirkburn|afk | I've notified him now though |
| 23:18.33 | Montagg | I wouldn't mind some sort of consensus on what types of external links are good/bad and what is considered appropriate behavior for them. |
| 23:19.31 | Montagg | I sometimes have trouble deciding if, say, someone changing all the links on a page from Thott to Wowhead is appropriate or if putting external guide links on the bottom (or top) of lots of pages is okay. |
| 23:21.40 | Montagg | One user was putting Realm History links on all the instance articles, which could've been helpful (since the page keeps track of guild progression for all realms), but wasn't really helping the article itself. |
| 23:24.36 | dotted | imo changing thott or alla links to wowhead is ok |
| 23:24.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Regarding loot links - I'm okay with it so long as the article does not already have information on every item (e.g. boss drops), and such information is not already linked in a concise fashion |
| 23:24.53 | dotted | given their affiliation with ige |
| 23:24.55 | Kirkburn|afk | (and so long as it's not spammed everywhere) |
| 23:25.20 | Kirkburn|afk | We can't 'ban' a company due to their supposed links |
| 23:25.48 | Kirkburn|afk | To not include Thott and Alla would go against the choice of most WoW players - they're the most popular sites for a reason |
| 23:25.49 | dotted | well you dont |
| 23:26.07 | Kirkburn|afk | I personally prefer Wowhead though |
| 23:26.20 | Montagg | I prefer Thott, but only because I haven't used much else. |
| 23:26.56 | dotted | thott is the absolute worst imo :p |
| 23:27.03 | Montagg | Perosnally, I don't care where the links go if the quality of the information is the same. |
| 23:27.05 | Kirkburn|afk | I do agree that we need to get out of the habit of linking to Thott for everything |
| 23:27.13 | dotted | only bad thng about wowhead is thir servers |
| 23:27.53 | Montagg | We're still a bit lacking in internal links for things. Our quests, for instance, hurt. |
| 23:28.37 | dotted | what wowwiki needs is mouse over links |
| 23:32.44 | Montagg | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.09 | Kirkburn|afk | vlad was looking into it |
| 23:33.44 | Montagg | I believe Zeal/Teomyr mentioned it in the Pump sometime ago. |
| 23:34.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Another thing would be to upgrade to 1.9.2 at some point, that may help with the stability stuff |
| 23:36.27 | Montagg | We need to start User talk:Rustak/TODO |
| 23:36.32 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 23:36.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Actually, that's not a bad idea |
| 23:36.54 | Montagg | Dooo it. ;-) |
| 23:36.58 | Kirkburn|afk | It would help him so he knows what's wanted |
| 23:37.44 | Montagg | ParserFunctions should be on there, too. |
| 23:38.17 | Kirkburn|afk | I'll create a page for stuff to be added to |
| 23:39.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, article name? |
| 23:39.08 | Kirkburn|afk | WoWWiki:Something I think |
| 23:39.17 | Kirkburn|afk | WoWWiki:Requests ? |
| 23:39.43 | Montagg | Sounds fine. |
| 23:39.44 | Kirkburn|afk | vlad_, (or sancus) if you're around - would this help you? |
| 23:40.21 | Montagg | I would also put a note on it that stuff should be added to the talk page first before the article. |
| 23:40.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Yup |
| 23:41.24 | Montagg | Would it just be stuff for Rustak to do? |
| 23:41.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, WoWWiki:Requests is taken |
| 23:41.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, pretty much |
| 23:41.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Just so we can organise our desires for him |
| 23:42.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, WoWWiki:Mediawiki Requests? |
| 23:42.51 | Montagg | Server requests might be more broad. |
| 23:43.08 | Kirkburn|afk | WoWWiki:Wiki Requests? |
| 23:43.32 | winkiller | :FIXIT :D |
| 23:43.33 | Montagg | Something that people won't misinterpret as the wish list. |
| 23:43.36 | Montagg | hehe. |
| 23:43.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah |
| 23:44.00 | winkiller | ToDo sounds best |
| 23:44.33 | Kirkburn|afk | It has to be specific to *not* be about page requests |
| 23:44.58 | Kirkburn|afk | (http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Requests) |
| 23:46.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Server Requests would probably do it, yeah |
| 23:47.17 | Montagg | If it's gonna be stuff like, upgrade MediaWiki, install this plugin, un-hack us, etc., Server Requests should be cool. |
| 23:50.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Created ... http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Server_requests |
| 23:51.10 | Kirkburn|afk | Add stuff :) |
| 23:53.11 | Zeal | lo all, not fully here atm, and i'll probably be reading all i missed before i talk :P |
