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| 00:40.13 | zeal | Kirkburn |
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| 01:37.11 | zeal | nn all |
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| 01:45.20 | jsprague_ | Good evening! I the wowwiki skin freely available? |
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| 01:47.10 | jsprague_ | Tekkub, is the wowwiki skin available for download? |
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| 01:50.03 | Tekkub | damned if I know, ask Rustak |
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| 03:04.06 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.08 | Kirkburn | Tekkub, rawr!! |
| 03:12.12 | cladhaire | lol Tekkub |
| 03:12.21 | Kirkburn | And CJ, too |
| 03:12.32 | Tekkub | seriously, why the fuck even waste the time making the edit? |
| 03:12.53 | Tekkub | besides I don't think the item's been found yet in the gam, thott and alla got no data |
| 03:13.24 | Tekkub | ah, it's a reward from the consortium |
| 03:13.54 | Kirkburn | Yay, I've ad blocked IE7 :) |
| 03:14.02 | Tekkub | lol |
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| 03:52.47 | cladhaire | SPAM |
| 03:52.51 | cladhaire | spam spammity spam spam spam |
| 03:52.56 | Cairenn | op power abuse! |
| 03:53.25 | Kirkburn | omg, where's my ban twig? |
| 04:03.55 | Kirkburn | (it's not the size that matters, it's how you use it) |
| 04:04.00 | bleetah | porridge porridge porridge |
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| 04:15.59 | Kirkburn | bleetah, yum |
| 04:16.11 | Adys | alo |
| 04:16.18 | Kirkburn | Today's channel meme - reply to every comment 10 minutes late :P |
| 04:16.36 | Adys | back in 10 minutes to say thanks to Kirkburn's "Hello adys" |
| 04:16.48 | Kirkburn | 20, surely ;) |
| 04:16.52 | Adys | Whoops! |
| 04:16.57 | Kirkburn | <--- AAAH, noo, failure! |
| 04:17.18 | Kirkburn | 'Allo, 'Allo |
| 04:17.20 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:20.58 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: spammity, *cackle* |
| 04:21.46 | Kirkburn | A witch!! |
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| 04:23.24 | Kirkburn | cladhaire, turned me into a newt. :( |
| 04:23.42 | bleetah | does cladhaire weigh the same as a duck? |
| 04:24.23 | cladhaire | i'd burn him either way. |
| 04:24.26 | cladhaire | clearly a witch |
| 04:26.43 | Kirkburn | Dammit, where's my Amazon order :( |
| 04:27.01 | Kirkburn | It should have been here on wednesday |
| 04:27.19 | Kirkburn | Planes, Trains and Automobiles, Naked Gun trilogy and Police Squad series |
| 04:27.52 | Kirkburn | Also "The Universe: a Biography", a surprisingly short book :P |
| 04:29.45 | Kirkburn | Though my watching of the Naked Gun might be a bit weird what with Anna Nicole Smith's bit part |
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| 04:57.47 | voidvector | KB, you broke the vote template on http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Hero_Classes_Rumor |
| 04:58.34 | voidvector | Kirkburn* |
| 04:59.02 | Kirkburn | it's better than it was previously, sec |
| 04:59.36 | Kirkburn | woah, wtf |
| 05:00.12 | Kirkburn | That's just ... weird |
| 05:00.25 | voidvector | you put your own signature into it |
| 05:01.31 | Kirkburn | What in the heck |
| 05:01.41 | Kirkburn | Something's happened to the template |
| 05:01.45 | Kirkburn | And I blame zeal |
| 05:02.29 | voidvector | don't we all =) |
| 05:03.48 | Kirkburn | Arf, I see the problem |
| 05:03.58 | Kirkburn | Will mention it to zeal tomorrow |
| 05:04.11 | Kirkburn | Hey that's odd |
| 05:04.42 | Kirkburn | hmm, anyway, it seems <nowiki> doesn't work with subst |
| 05:05.18 | voidvector | 3 vote is margin for close, right? |
| 05:08.59 | Kirkburn | Yes |
| 05:12.03 | voidvector | oh, can you guys just delete all the "Category:(class) Spells". I recategorized all the spells to "Category:(class) Abilities" awhile back. Those are still being voted on, there isn't any opposition. |
| 05:19.58 | Kirkburn | Linky link please |
| 05:20.52 | voidvector | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category_talk:Paladin_Spells |
| 05:21.05 | voidvector | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category_talk:Druid_Spells |
| 05:21.53 | voidvector | there are a few more at http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Votes_for_deleting |
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| 05:27.24 | Kirkburn | Can you fix these? |
| 05:27.27 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Vendor_Trash |
| 05:27.46 | voidvector | yea |
| 05:28.59 | Kirkburn | Thanks |
| 05:30.39 | Kirkburn | Deleted most now |
| 05:33.31 | voidvector | cool thanks, i just cleared all the cat tag for vendor trash |
| 05:41.08 | Kirkburn | woot |
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| 06:26.32 | Kirkburn | Tek-tek! |
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| 10:28.52 | dok3Dal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Defense |
| 10:29.01 | dok3Dal | did someone understand : For a level 70 : 2.366 DR = 2 41/112 DR = 1 defense skill |
| 10:29.17 | Adys | wah? |
| 10:29.43 | dok3Dal | what the meaning of 2 41/112 |
| 10:29.56 | dok3Dal | 41/112 = 0.366 |
| 10:30.12 | dok3Dal | so y expect it to be 2 + 41/112 |
| 10:30.19 | dok3Dal | = 2.366 |
| 10:30.39 | dok3Dal | but as far as y know it is 2.4 def rating for one def point |
| 10:31.00 | dok3Dal | and I dont know from where these 41/112 come from |
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| 13:15.52 | Laraul | does the windows version of wow have a media control for playing something like WMP? |
| 13:23.49 | amro | no |
| 13:24.56 | geo- | is there another version of WoW besides the windows version? |
| 13:26.23 | dok3Dal | the mac one |
| 13:28.23 | Laraul | yeah the mac version has itunes support |
| 13:28.46 | Laraul | i'd figure the windows version would have something simular |
| 13:28.55 | Laraul | it's odd that it doesn't |
| 13:30.46 | Laraul | also... the version has keys to toggle fullscreen/windowed mode, among some others (like quit). I know ALT-F4 used to work on the PC to quit but i assume that's been changed... |
| 13:31.09 | Laraul | Does WindowsKey-F4 work? |
| 13:32.54 | Laraul | shit excuse me... |
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| 13:34.32 | Laraul | k that is retarded |
| 13:35.23 | dok3Dal | Laraul : wow mac version provide iTunes support only because Apple provide an API to do it directly on the system |
| 13:35.40 | dok3Dal | this is not the case for Windows |
| 13:35.48 | Laraul | iTunes also has an API in Windows... |
| 13:36.33 | Laraul | As does Windows Media Player... there is no reason why the same can't be done with the Windows version |
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| 13:36.37 | dok3Dal | iTunes is not present by default on windows and does not have an os-integrated api |
| 13:37.10 | Laraul | No but Windows Media Player is |
| 13:37.29 | dok3Dal | there is no way for an application to request the OS to lauch media player and control playlist and things like that |
| 13:37.36 | Laraul | Yes there is |
| 13:38.42 | dok3Dal | as far as I know you can ask the system to launch the application with a given file, this is not a problem |
| 13:39.19 | dok3Dal | but you cannot (easyli) control the application after that |
| 13:39.19 | Laraul | Umm... COM objects... you heard of them? |
| 13:39.24 | Laraul | Yes you can |
| 13:40.26 | Laraul | This IRC server sucks what IRC client you using? |
| 13:40.45 | dok3Dal | me? |
| 13:40.58 | Laraul | yeah i can't ctcp version you |
| 13:41.10 | dok3Dal | I bounce |
| 13:41.24 | dok3Dal | xchat -> psybnc -> server |
| 13:43.44 | Laraul | look at this... http://www.w3schools.com/media/media_playerref.asp |
| 13:47.17 | Laraul | Also read this http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb249672.aspx |
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| 13:56.06 | dok3Dal | The media player api is only c++ and .net? |
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| 14:41.31 | Tuqui-tuqui | ... |
| 14:41.31 | equiraptor | Moo |
| 14:41.31 | Tuqui-tuqui | yay! |
| 14:41.31 | equiraptor | Moo? |
| 14:41.31 | Tepetkhet | oom |
| 14:41.31 | Tuqui-tuqui | woot! |
| 14:41.31 | Tuqui-tuqui | youre back! |
| 14:41.31 | equiraptor | oow umop apisdn |
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| 15:22.12 | Tepetkhet | me too |
| 15:22.24 | Tepetkhet | So he can give me my paycheck. |
| 15:24.10 | Montagg | It's been over 24 hours for me. I'm starting to feel withdrawl. |
| 15:24.31 | equiraptor | I wonder if a RAID one built in a compaq proliant DL360 G1 will "work" with a newer hardware controller. |
| 15:24.54 | equiraptor | I don't want to lose this install just because we ran out of power supplies. |
| 15:25.01 | weazer | are people supposed to know what that is? :P |
| 15:25.39 | equiraptor | People who would understand my worry would know. :-P |
| 15:25.44 | Montagg | The ones who can answer the question will. =c) |
| 15:33.46 | equiraptor | Woot. The answer to the question is "yes". :) |
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| 15:38.27 | Montagg | Ugh. Annoying McAfree virus scan. |
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| 15:51.25 | Laraul | God this network sucks |
| 15:51.41 | Laraul | I just got back from the dentist |
| 15:53.43 | Laraul | dok3Dal: you obviously don't do any programming ^^ |
| 15:54.35 | dok3Dal | The fact that I'm not an Windows com object specialist doesn't means that I dont code |
| 15:54.47 | dok3Dal | There is a lot of others language you know |
| 15:55.00 | dok3Dal | and others context than windows |
| 15:55.06 | Laraul | Language is irrelevent |
| 15:55.48 | Laraul | You think you'd design an operating system without a standard meathod for apps to communicate? |
| 15:57.02 | dok3Dal | I think that communication doesn't mean control and I think that to be able to be remotely controlled an application must include that explicitely |
| 15:57.19 | dok3Dal | maybe using an os api... maybe not |
| 15:57.41 | Laraul | Not every app supports COM objects |
| 15:57.41 | dok3Dal | I also think that the Apple iTunes remote control is based on their script engine |
| 15:57.49 | Laraul | Winamp for example does not |
| 15:58.11 | dok3Dal | and that this is maybe more easy to integrate in wow that the com object |
| 15:58.15 | Laraul | WoW does not either |
| 15:58.25 | dok3Dal | because wow is an multiplaform software |
| 15:59.45 | Laraul | Perhaps the reason why WoW doesn't include built media controls is because a lot of keyboards have their own media keys |
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| 16:00.24 | equiraptor | WoW includes iTunes remote controls for Mac OS X. But yall probably know that. |
| 16:00.38 | equiraptor | It's just interesting to me that it does on OS X, but not on Windows, even though both apps run on both. |
| 16:00.47 | dok3Dal | Perhaps it is because it is not the goal of the game to remotely control a media player? |
| 16:00.50 | Laraul | Yeah that's my point |
| 16:01.04 | Laraul | Then why does the mac version support it? |
| 16:01.40 | equiraptor | Given that Macs come with iTunes, WoW can be fairly certain the software is installed. It can't be certain it's installed on Windows. |
| 16:02.46 | Laraul | No but Media Player can be remotely controlled... |
| 16:02.46 | dok3Dal | wow provide iTunes support one or two weeks after the Apple communication about their intergration of iTunes control into their script engine |
| 16:02.47 | equiraptor | Laraul: But what percentage of the Windows using population using WMP as their primary music player? |
| 16:02.47 | Laraul | itunes has ALWAYS been scriptable |
| 16:02.47 | Laraul | I dunno I agree WMP sux |
| 16:02.47 | Laraul | I use itunes... even on PC |
| 16:03.15 | verxion | so I made my first warlock last night |
| 16:03.19 | verxion | pretty danged fun! |
| 16:03.27 | equiraptor | I don't know of anyone, off the top of my head, who would want WoW to controll WMP on Windows. And since people tend to choose their own on Windows, perhaps WoW decided to not support anyone there, rather than supporting some and alienating others. |
| 16:03.32 | verxion | itunes is inherently evil |
| 16:03.32 | Montagg | Get it up to 30 so you can start draintanking. |
| 16:03.35 | equiraptor | I <3 my warlock. :) |
| 16:03.46 | verxion | equiraptor: cool |
| 16:03.46 | Montagg | Then you'll see how rigged in leveling they are. |
| 16:03.48 | equiraptor | Yeah. Draintanking's fun. :) |
| 16:04.03 | Laraul | i like itunes... i do not like the itms drm |
| 16:04.03 | verxion | equiraptor: you should give me tips on leveling to 30 then, rofl |
| 16:04.07 | Laraul | I hate drm it's EVIL |
| 16:04.12 | verxion | yeah me too |
| 16:04.15 | verxion | DRM is just bad news |
| 16:04.41 | verxion | Montagg: well I got to 11 last night in less than an hour and a half - they seem VERY easy to level so far |
| 16:04.43 | Laraul | Lotta times I look up a song I want in itunes... then use a P2P client to download the song |
| 16:05.10 | verxion | Laraul: NOOO!!! THAT IS BLASPHEMY! PEOPLE AREN'T SUPPOSED TO DO THAT SORT OF THING!!!! |
| 16:05.13 | Montagg | verxion, That's impressive with any class. |
| 16:05.13 | verxion | :) |
| 16:05.28 | verxion | Montagg: well the warlock makes it VERY easy |
| 16:05.37 | verxion | the imp is just ridiculously powerful |
| 16:05.42 | verxion | kindof broken I would say |
| 16:05.46 | Laraul | There is no way to remove the DRM from Videos |
| 16:05.53 | equiraptor | He runs out of steam fast at higher levels. |
| 16:06.01 | verxion | equiraptor: I would certainly hope so |
| 16:06.06 | verxion | honestly, he is BROKEN |
| 16:06.16 | verxion | (bear in mind I love broken, I worship broken, but he IS broken) |
| 16:06.32 | verxion | in other words, I make use of anything I can FIND that is broken |
| 16:06.36 | Laraul | Anyhow any reason why I should run WoW in Windows or just stick with the Mac version... |
| 16:06.39 | verxion | but I am not gonna sit there and say it is how it should be. :) |
| 16:06.58 | Laraul | Honestly what version I use will probably be based on what OS I' |
| 16:07.04 | Laraul | Honestly what version I use will probably be based on what OS I've booted into |
| 16:07.06 | verxion | Laraul: as far as I know the ONLY limitation people have with WoW on macs is that SOME vent servers don't have the speex codec installed |
| 16:07.19 | verxion | and I think some people have reported being unable to use vent on a mac otherwise |
| 16:07.29 | verxion | so that isn't so much a WoW limitation as it is a vent limitation |
| 16:07.31 | Laraul | Ventrillo? |
| 16:07.31 | equiraptor | Yup. That's pretty much it. |
| 16:07.35 | verxion | yeah, ventrilo |
| 16:07.40 | equiraptor | WoW runs well on OS X. |
| 16:07.49 | Laraul | I've used that without much problem |
| 16:08.10 | verxion | well I would GUESS then that the vent servers you have used have the speex codec installed |
| 16:08.13 | Laraul | Of course I can run the Windows version in Parallels while playing the Mac version |
| 16:08.27 | verxion | true |
| 16:09.06 | Laraul | Parallels does not do 3D emulation |
| 16:09.12 | verxion | this I did not know |
| 16:09.20 | Laraul | They plan on adding it |
| 16:09.26 | verxion | likely never will |
| 16:09.36 | Laraul | That's too bad they're nice |
| 16:09.42 | verxion | well if someone paid me |
| 16:09.44 | verxion | I would own one |
| 16:10.03 | verxion | I just refuse to pay the brainwashing tax |
| 16:10.04 | Laraul | I'm on a Mac Pro... |
| 16:10.18 | Montagg | I'm considering getting one, so I don't have to straddle Linux and Windows, but I'm still researching limitations (games that won't play, programs that don't have Mac versions, etc). |
| 16:10.19 | Laraul | MacOS X is better then Windows |
| 16:10.27 | equiraptor | They're expensive compared with home built machines, but not that expensive when compared with equivalent OEM hardware. |
| 16:10.29 | Laraul | I mean considerably better |
| 16:10.37 | verxion | Laraul: MacOS X also makes your eyesight better and helps you to lose weight |
| 16:10.40 | verxion | yes, I know. |
| 16:11.33 | verxion | equiraptor: I haven't had a non home built desktop computer since the 286 was around |
| 16:11.43 | verxion | so I don't really know any other way, lol |
| 16:11.59 | equiraptor | My Mac was my first non-home-built machine. |
| 16:12.01 | Montagg | That's my only problem with Mac. You can't build one. |
| 16:12.03 | Laraul | I was gonna build a system... but decided going with a Mac Pro instead |
| 16:12.16 | Montagg | As easily as others, I should say. |
| 16:12.41 | Laraul | Honestly... the hardware is so good I'm not so sure why you'd wanna build one |
| 16:12.49 | Montagg | Price. |
| 16:12.58 | equiraptor | You don't need that much hardware and you don't watn to pay that much. |
| 16:12.59 | verxion | yeah |
| 16:13.05 | verxion | macs are ridiculously expensive |
| 16:13.07 | Montagg | Not that they're overpriced, but if you hunt around, you can always find a better deal. |
| 16:13.15 | equiraptor | They are not ridiculously expensive. |
| 16:13.18 | verxion | heh |
| 16:13.20 | verxion | if you say so |
| 16:13.22 | Laraul | The system I was planning to build cost more than this Mac Pro |
| 16:13.26 | equiraptor | They're not, for what they are. |
| 16:13.28 | Laraul | It was like 4,000 |
| 16:13.41 | Laraul | The home built PC |
| 16:13.50 | Laraul | This was just $3,000 |
| 16:13.55 | verxion | Laraul: there is no reason on earth to spend that kind of money on a home built PC |
| 16:14.01 | Laraul | But I've only got 2gigs of RAM |
| 16:14.02 | verxion | you can built a TOP OF THE LINE PC for frigging $2k |
| 16:14.11 | equiraptor | If you're fine with a less capable home built machinee, then, yeah, they're rediculous for *you*. But in general, they're not ridiculously expensive. |
| 16:14.40 | equiraptor | Not with 4GB RAM and the procesors the Mac Pro uses. |
| 16:14.51 | Laraul | The two processesors I was planning to buy cost $2,000 alone |
| 16:14.53 | equiraptor | The 4GB of that kind of RAM will cost you close to $2k on its own. |
| 16:15.03 | equiraptor | The thing is, you don't *need* that. |
| 16:15.05 | verxion | Laraul: why did you need a four cpu system? |
| 16:15.07 | equiraptor | And that's fine. |
| 16:15.12 | Laraul | Two CPU system |
| 16:15.15 | Laraul | Four cores |
| 16:15.21 | verxion | right |
| 16:15.25 | verxion | why did you need four cpus? |
| 16:15.35 | Laraul | Cuz more is better duh |
| 16:15.36 | verxion | and does your mac have four cpus? |
| 16:15.43 | Laraul | It has 4 cores yes |
| 16:15.44 | verxion | actually, they don't scale linearly |
| 16:15.44 | equiraptor | Mac Pros have for cores. |
| 16:15.45 | Montagg | Two CPUs to process, the other two as cheaper heat in the winter. |
| 16:15.54 | equiraptor | Er, fou. |
| 16:16.01 | equiraptor | four, even. One day I'll learn to type. |
| 16:16.04 | verxion | so you get less for your moeny |
| 16:16.15 | verxion | Montagg: ROFL!!! |
| 16:16.22 | Laraul | A core is not the same as a CPU |
| 16:16.22 | verxion | Montagg: that is PRICELESS man, I love you already |
| 16:16.30 | Montagg | <3 |
| 16:16.33 | verxion | Laraul: rofl |
| 16:16.42 | verxion | if you want to discuss semantics then fine |
| 16:16.54 | verxion | but we all know what is being discussed here |
| 16:17.55 | verxion | so Montagg |
| 16:18.01 | verxion | give me the warlock 411 |
| 16:18.02 | verxion | :) |
| 16:18.13 | verxion | level 11 - 30 in just ninety short minutes. :) |
| 16:18.26 | Laraul | how? |
| 16:18.43 | verxion | Laraul: um, that was a joke |
| 16:18.54 | verxion | I don't seriously mean ninety minutes is what I expect for 11 - 30 |
| 16:19.01 | verxion | but the fastest path possible would be good |
| 16:19.06 | verxion | I was wanting to go affliction spec |
| 16:19.10 | verxion | to speed grinding |
| 16:19.17 | verxion | but since I only know from reading, not actual use |
| 16:19.20 | verxion | I figured I would ask her |
| 16:19.22 | verxion | er, here |
| 16:19.22 | Laraul | Really I'm a n00b |
| 16:19.24 | Montagg | Weeel, I got all my information from the forums. |
| 16:19.36 | verxion | Montagg: but have you PLAYED a warlock? |
| 16:19.42 | verxion | then you have some information from playing too. :) |
| 16:19.43 | Laraul | I mean I haven't played since the game originally came out |
| 16:19.46 | Montagg | Leveled one to 60 and working on a second. |
| 16:19.57 | verxion | Montagg: then inform my sorry buttocks |
| 16:19.58 | verxion | :) |
| 16:20.43 | Laraul | I started with FFXI... when WoW came out bunch of friends moved over... and I joined them for a short while... |
| 16:20.49 | Montagg | verxion, Life drain is your friend, but not until level 30. You'll want to invest primarily in Demonology until then. After that, you'll want to respec Afflic, get Imp Drain Life and Fel Concentration progress up through UA. |
| 16:21.03 | Laraul | But I still had friends in FFXI... and ended up going back |
| 16:21.14 | Laraul | I still play FFXI |
| 16:21.16 | Montagg | +shadow is also your friend, so try to get some shadow gear and Shadoweave as early as possible. |
| 16:21.21 | verxion | Montagg: ok, so I am to be demonology up to 30? dang. I went and put my first point into affliction, rofl |
| 16:21.42 | verxion | Laraul: ahh. I was always told if I liked hanging around 12 year olds that FFXI was the place to be |
| 16:21.44 | Montagg | Actually you should get Imp Corruption before anything to make it instant cast. |
| 16:21.48 | verxion | Laraul: I am guessing you would disagree |
| 16:21.50 | Montagg | So, if those were your points, you're good. |
| 16:22.12 | Laraul | Really that's what FFXI players say about WoW |
| 16:22.32 | verxion | Montagg: this is the investment plan I had planned on: |
| 16:22.35 | verxion | Suppression 3/5 |
| 16:22.36 | verxion | Improved Corruption 2/5 |
| 16:22.36 | verxion | Soul Siphon 2/2 |
| 16:22.36 | verxion | Improved Life Tap 2/2 |
| 16:22.36 | verxion | Improved Drain Soul 1/2 |
| 16:22.38 | verxion | Fel Concentration 5/5 |
| 16:22.40 | Laraul | I think WoW is the better MMO |
| 16:22.40 | verxion | Grim Reach 2/2 |
| 16:22.43 | verxion | Nightfall 2/2 |
| 16:22.45 | verxion | Amplify Curse 1/1 |
| 16:22.48 | verxion | Siphon Life 1/1 |
| 16:22.54 | Laraul | I always have |
| 16:23.06 | Laraul | But just stuck to FFXI for some reason |
| 16:23.13 | verxion | Laraul: well the guild I am in mandates maturity |
| 16:23.18 | verxion | they simply bkick those that aren't |
| 16:23.24 | Laraul | I think it was the fact I liked using the controller better than the mouse and keyboard |
| 16:24.05 | Montagg | verxion, Definitely put 5/5 in Corruption. Having another instant cast spell as a lock is priceless. |
| 16:24.37 | verxion | ok, so Improved Corruption first |
| 16:24.41 | verxion | then on to demonology? |
| 16:25.10 | Laraul | In FFXI it's nice you can belong to more than one guild |
| 16:25.24 | Laraul | Though the guild control is pathetic |
| 16:25.32 | Montagg | Yup. I focused on improving stats and my voidwalker until 30. |
| 16:26.07 | Montagg | At that point, I switched to Afflic, focused on making drain life awesome, improving range, and improving mana efficiency (more damage). |
| 16:27.14 | Montagg | Up to you what the specifics are, but that's the goal. You should be able to almost immediately start the next fight once you've ended the last. |
| 16:27.17 | verxion | Montagg: do you have any experience with a hunter? |
| 16:27.27 | Montagg | verxion, No, none really. |
| 16:27.30 | verxion | ok |
| 16:27.36 | verxion | well let me ask a general question then |
| 16:27.40 | verxion | the voidwalker. . . |
| 16:27.49 | verxion | how long does it take him to GET aggro |
| 16:27.58 | verxion | and can you reasonably have him keep it |
| 16:28.01 | verxion | up to 30 |
| 16:28.09 | verxion | or do you need to bounce aggro around to keep it alive? |
| 16:28.14 | Montagg | Not long at low levels, especially when you specc into demo. |
| 16:28.49 | Montagg | It's impossible to really "bounce" aggro as a warlock, because you're going to pull it inevitably. The voidwalker allows you to use Shadowbolt, which has a long cast time and can be frustrating later when you're getting hit. |
| 16:29.24 | verxion | right |
| 16:29.30 | verxion | that is what wands are for at low level anyway |
| 16:29.34 | verxion | LORD they are ridiculous, rofl |
| 16:29.45 | Montagg | Exactly. Wand is something you should keep as up to date as possible. |
| 16:30.04 | verxion | I was wondering - at what point do I want to switch AWAY from player made wands? |
| 16:30.20 | verxion | I mean it is obvious I should use wands up to the level 13 one |
| 16:30.39 | verxion | but past that, should I be looking for a dropped wand or the next player made one? |
| 16:30.47 | Laraul | http://homepage.mac.com/mestinkbad/.Movies/sam.head.af.bcnm.wmv <--- Video of me in FFXI |
| 16:31.11 | Laraul | I dunno what to make a video of in WoW |
| 16:31.15 | verxion | does ffxi run on macosx? |
| 16:31.19 | Laraul | No |
| 16:31.23 | Montagg | Whatever your best choice on DPS is, really. I just bought mine off AH, kept to some nice blues. |
| 16:31.29 | Laraul | I usually play on Xbox |
| 16:31.35 | verxion | Montagg: ok, cool |
| 16:31.42 | verxion | Laraul: ahh |
| 16:34.03 | Laraul | But I can only record videos of the game with the PC version |
| 16:36.12 | Montagg | Laraul, Really? I didn't know that. That blows. |
| 16:36.37 | Laraul | Do you know of someway I can record a HD signal? |
| 16:37.32 | Laraul | I could record in SD but I don't play in SD |
| 16:38.02 | Laraul | And if that was sarcasm i will /ignore you for the rest of the day... ^^ |
| 16:38.14 | Montagg | Oh, no, it wasn't. Honestly blows. |
| 16:38.48 | Laraul | Well I can't even play WoW on the Xbox |
| 16:39.51 | Montagg | Do you play WoW on your TV? Is that why you want an HD signal? |
| 16:40.31 | Laraul | No I don't play WoW on my TV... I could but I mean you use a mouse and keyboard |
| 16:40.44 | Laraul | You don't use a mouse and keyboard with a TV |
| 16:41.10 | Montagg | I actually managed to hook up my computer to my TV and played it there, but it was Svideo and really, really ugly. |
| 16:41.39 | Laraul | I can hook it up using a DVI to HDMI cable |
| 16:41.47 | Laraul | Looks very good |
| 16:41.55 | Montagg | Awesome. |
| 16:41.55 | verxion | I believe you can record HD |
| 16:42.03 | verxion | you have to send it to a VGA cable |
| 16:42.06 | verxion | (ie, analog) |
| 16:42.11 | verxion | then you can record that signal |
| 16:42.17 | verxion | it has no DRM in vga |
| 16:42.27 | Laraul | What records VGA? |
| 16:42.28 | verxion | and supposedly there is a vga cable for the xbox |
| 16:42.33 | Laraul | Yeah there is |
| 16:42.41 | Laraul | I don't have it... I use component |
| 16:42.45 | verxion | right |
| 16:42.49 | verxion | I would use component too |
| 16:42.52 | verxion | if I had an xbox |
| 16:42.57 | Montagg | Yeah, I think there's some sort of DRM key-exchange problem with doing anything with HD and not having "permission" to do so. |
| 16:43.01 | Laraul | My TV doesn't have a VGA input |
| 16:43.10 | verxion | well I DID use component with my xbox (non 360) |
| 16:43.17 | verxion | but I -*NEVER*- played games on my xbox |
| 16:43.24 | Laraul | No one uses DRM with HDMI yet |
| 16:43.49 | Laraul | The Xbox can't even use HDMI right now |
| 16:44.00 | Laraul | It only have an analog video out |
| 16:44.10 | verxion | ahh |
| 16:45.01 | verxion | Montagg: so improved imp seems like it is a waste of time if you are going to be using a voidwalker by the time you put points into it, yes? |
| 16:45.15 | Laraul | what resolution do you run WoW? |
| 16:45.21 | verxion | 1920x1200 |
| 16:45.28 | Montagg | verxion, Its only usefulness is that it improves Blood Pact which gives you more stamina when you have the imp out. |
| 16:45.52 | Montagg | verxion, Can be good when you need a couple of extra points to get to the next tier.' |
| 16:46.24 | Laraul | I'm pissed this monitor doesn't support 1920x1200 |
| 16:46.40 | Laraul | This monitor kinda sucks actually |
| 16:46.40 | verxion | well I am thinking that to get my first 5 points in demonology that I would go with 2/2 Improved Healthstone and 3/5 Demonic Embrace |
| 16:46.47 | Montagg | Damn. =c) I'm on a laptop, so I run at 1680x1050. |
| 16:46.50 | verxion | reason being, those points help me ALWAYS, not just when the imp is out |
| 16:46.57 | Laraul | I want a 23" Apple Cinema Display |
| 16:46.58 | verxion | Montagg: yeah, my laptop is 1920x1200 too |
| 16:47.04 | verxion | so I get the same resolution regardless |
| 16:47.24 | Laraul | Oh on a labtop... that's a little different ^^ |
| 16:47.37 | Laraul | er laptop |
| 16:47.43 | verxion | no, my monitor is 1920x1200 |
| 16:47.43 | Montagg | verxion, I'm poor. But on the talent note, it's a toss up between more stamina and a better healthstone, but I personally went with more stamina, since you make your mana pool bigger. |
| 16:47.49 | verxion | as is my laptop screen |
| 16:48.14 | verxion | Montagg: good point, and I need to really get that into my head that health = mana |
| 16:48.33 | Laraul | What monitor do you use? |
| 16:49.03 | Montagg | I've gotta head to class. Good luck with the lock, verxion, and good luck with your hardware escapades Laraul. |
| 16:49.13 | verxion | Laraul - I use a NEC 2690 |
| 16:49.16 | verxion | it is a widescreen |
| 16:49.36 | verxion | Montagg: thanks for the help man |
| 16:49.36 | Laraul | I'd hope it's widescreen |
| 16:57.16 | *** join/#wowwiki MeStinkBAD (i=spoof@ip72-200-90-128.tc.ph.cox.net) |
| 16:57.33 | MeStinkBAD | whoops... i accidently hit the stop button for the VM |
| 16:57.47 | MeStinkBAD | verxion: that's a very nice monitor btw |
| 16:57.54 | verxion | MeStinkBAD: it better be, rofl |
| 16:57.59 | MeStinkBAD | How much was it |
| 16:58.13 | verxion | I do photography on the side |
| 16:58.13 | verxion | needed a really good monitor for proofing |
| 16:58.13 | MeStinkBAD | FUCK WINDOWS |
| 16:58.23 | verxion | I was able to get it for $950 |
| 16:58.36 | verxion | got a professional photographer discount |
| 16:58.37 | MeStinkBAD | I just got prompted with an automatic update window... |
| 16:59.04 | MeStinkBAD | $950? I was expecting more like $1950... |
| 16:59.13 | verxion | yeah, I think retail is $2k |
| 16:59.22 | verxion | it pays to be a photographer |
| 16:59.27 | verxion | but it costs a TON to be a photographer |
| 16:59.29 | verxion | so it evens out |
| 16:59.37 | verxion | I have probably $25k in photography equipment, rofl |
| 16:59.57 | MeStinkBAD | If I where a photographer I'd probably get two 30" Apple Cinema Displays |
| 17:00.05 | verxion | well unfortunately |
| 17:00.11 | verxion | apple screens SUCK for color |
| 17:00.20 | verxion | so most professional photographers avoid them |
| 17:00.32 | verxion | the cinema displays are pretty bad |
| 17:00.43 | MeStinkBAD | That's not what I've read |
| 17:00.44 | verxion | the do have a good black point though |
| 17:01.07 | verxion | well graphic artists like them because the color is "good" |
| 17:01.16 | verxion | it is just very bad compared to other monitors on the market |
| 17:01.16 | MeStinkBAD | If you use them on the PC you can't tweak the display |
| 17:01.26 | verxion | I am talking HARDWARE here |
| 17:01.31 | verxion | 100% independent of the OS |
| 17:01.46 | verxion | the hardware is incapable of displaying colors accurately enough for good proofing |
| 17:01.54 | MeStinkBAD | Honestly I've read different |
| 17:02.01 | verxion | ok |
| 17:02.16 | verxion | well the folks that I work with at print houses don't use 'em |
| 17:02.19 | verxion | and recommend against 'em |
| 17:02.28 | verxion | they are my gods when it comes to printing |
| 17:02.34 | MeStinkBAD | Hmm... |
| 17:02.36 | verxion | that and all the reviews talking about how bad the color is |
| 17:03.03 | MeStinkBAD | Well it's been like over 2 years since they came out |
| 17:03.19 | verxion | true, the panels have changed a lot since then in terms of the capabilities |
| 17:03.29 | verxion | but unfortunately, photography doesn't sit idle in the meantime |
| 17:03.30 | verxion | :( |
| 17:03.36 | verxion | my clients demand accurate color |
| 17:03.43 | verxion | so I have to meet their criteria |
| 17:03.43 | MeStinkBAD | And I think the last review I read was when it came out ^^ |
| 17:04.01 | MeStinkBAD | You just have one monitor? |
| 17:04.04 | verxion | nope |
| 17:04.12 | verxion | I also have a 1680x1050 NEC |
| 17:04.20 | verxion | and a couple of cornerstones |
| 17:04.22 | verxion | but those are ancient |
| 17:04.29 | verxion | dual input vga analog |
| 17:04.30 | verxion | :) |
| 17:04.38 | verxion | they only do 1280x1024 |
| 17:04.39 | MeStinkBAD | VGA input lol |
| 17:04.47 | verxion | but they are great for my server farm |
| 17:04.58 | MeStinkBAD | How many monitors do you have hooked up? |
| 17:05.09 | verxion | five |
| 17:05.14 | MeStinkBAD | I mean to your main computer? |
| 17:05.21 | verxion | to my main computer, just three |
| 17:05.49 | MeStinkBAD | Oh just three? You have two video cards? |
| 17:05.54 | verxion | yes |
| 17:05.56 | MeStinkBAD | Or three? |
| 17:06.04 | verxion | no, one of the cards has dual outputs |
| 17:06.06 | verxion | the other has only one |
| 17:06.16 | MeStinkBAD | Yeah I used to use two... had 4 monitors hooked up... that's overkill though |
| 17:06.34 | verxion | well one of my three monitors is an absolutely ANCIENT 1024x768 |
| 17:06.42 | MeStinkBAD | I just have two here |
| 17:06.45 | verxion | I only use it for photoshop toolboxes |
| 17:06.47 | verxion | nothing else at all |
| 17:06.50 | MeStinkBAD | lol |
| 17:07.01 | verxion | but it lets me have them all open and not clutter the main screen |
| 17:07.16 | MeStinkBAD | I remember when Adobe didn't give a sh*t about PC sales of Photoshop |
| 17:07.28 | verxion | well fortunately those days have now inverted |
| 17:07.36 | MeStinkBAD | It's still mostly a Mac based application |
| 17:07.38 | verxion | they care more about the larger market - the PC |
| 17:07.52 | MeStinkBAD | I dunno you got things like AppleScript on the Mac |
| 17:08.09 | verxion | applescript, yes |
| 17:08.16 | verxion | it isn't bad really from what I have done with it |
| 17:08.24 | verxion | but I just code in javascript |
| 17:08.26 | verxion | er |
| 17:08.35 | verxion | java |
| 17:09.08 | MeStinkBAD | er a java applet is not quite the same as AppleScript |
| 17:09.18 | verxion | no, it isn't |
| 17:09.25 | verxion | but what I cannot do in an action |
| 17:09.27 | verxion | I can do in java |
| 17:09.41 | MeStinkBAD | In fact how do you access active-x controls? |
| 17:09.56 | verxion | -*I*- don't. Thankfully. |
| 17:10.12 | MeStinkBAD | then how do you control applications? |
| 17:10.45 | verxion | why would I need active-x? |
| 17:11.04 | verxion | I do 99.999% of my application controls from tcl |
| 17:11.14 | verxion | but I was talking here just about photoshop |
| 17:11.19 | verxion | in which I use java |
| 17:11.48 | MeStinkBAD | I can't recall what TCL is |
| 17:11.57 | verxion | tcl stands for tool control language |
| 17:11.59 | verxion | it is ancient |
| 17:12.12 | verxion | but it runs the same on macosx as windows as unix |
| 17:12.14 | verxion | as cray |
| 17:12.16 | verxion | as whatever |
| 17:12.22 | verxion | same code |
| 17:12.33 | verxion | completely platform independent and pre-dates java by like a decade |
| 17:12.34 | verxion | :) |
| 17:12.37 | MeStinkBAD | Yeah okay... but you can't access active-x controls |
| 17:12.45 | verxion | and I wouldn't WANT to |
| 17:12.47 | verxion | thankfully |
| 17:13.52 | MeStinkBAD | but what if you wanted to have explorer do something |
| 17:14.05 | MeStinkBAD | or get some information from explorer |
| 17:14.08 | verxion | well when I want explorer to do something I simply tell it what I want it to do |
| 17:14.10 | MeStinkBAD | or some oher app |
| 17:14.20 | verxion | but the good news is |
| 17:14.27 | verxion | tcl doesn't need applications |
| 17:14.34 | verxion | it does most everything I need |
| 17:14.43 | verxion | so applications become superfluous |
| 17:15.38 | MeStinkBAD | okay... the idea behind a technology like applescript is to utilize application features and such |
| 17:15.44 | verxion | I know |
| 17:15.53 | verxion | which is why I generally avoid things like that |
| 17:16.03 | verxion | and why I hate active-x |
| 17:16.09 | verxion | and thankfully haven't needed to use it |
| 17:16.12 | MeStinkBAD | yeah active-x sucks |
| 17:16.23 | MeStinkBAD | but applescript is well designed |
| 17:16.35 | verxion | well it is one thing to be well designed |
| 17:16.46 | MeStinkBAD | active-x is just the equivelent to AS on windows |
| 17:17.01 | verxion | and it is quite another thing when you don't need the bulk or overhead of something that is "well designed" |
| 17:17.45 | MeStinkBAD | it's not bulky |
| 17:17.55 | verxion | by DEFINITION it is bulky |
| 17:18.00 | verxion | it is its very JOB to be bulky |
| 17:18.01 | verxion | rofl |
| 17:18.07 | verxion | that is how it works |
| 17:18.10 | MeStinkBAD | how is it bulky? |
| 17:18.20 | verxion | because it isn't designed to do any work |
| 17:18.30 | verxion | it requires and MANDATES the use of other applications |
| 17:18.38 | verxion | hence the bulk |
| 17:18.49 | verxion | the burden of having to run code you don't need |
| 17:18.55 | verxion | just to have another application do something |
| 17:19.26 | MeStinkBAD | well there are OSAXen |
| 17:19.39 | verxion | I am not at all familiar with OSAXen |
| 17:19.40 | MeStinkBAD | Besides the purpose is flexibility |
| 17:20.28 | MeStinkBAD | Overhead and such is kinda irrelevent |
| 17:20.28 | verxion | well to me, having to script other applications is quite the opposite of flexibility |
| 17:20.28 | MeStinkBAD | you don't have too.. |
| 17:20.29 | verxion | INSTEAD of being able to do what -*I*- want, I am instead limited to what the application supports, nothing more |
| 17:20.29 | MeStinkBAD | do you use macros in WoW? |
| 17:20.31 | verxion | fortunately no |
| 17:20.34 | verxion | I write my own code |
| 17:20.58 | verxion | that is what the addon capability is THERE for |
| 17:20.59 | verxion | :) |
| 17:21.14 | verxion | so you can do what you want instead of just re-using existing functionality |
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| 17:21.28 | MeStinkBAD | but they both are written in LUA |
| 17:21.47 | MeStinkBAD | I don't see so much a difference between macros and scripts |
| 17:21.49 | verxion | the difference here is primarily that a macro is incapable of being programatical, while an addon can. |
| 17:22.01 | verxion | the macro cannot take more than a single action |
| 17:22.04 | MeStinkBAD | applescript is programable |
| 17:22.07 | verxion | while in code, you can do more |
| 17:22.19 | verxion | applescript is programmable in that it is itself a script |
| 17:22.34 | verxion | but it largely depends on the bulk of external applications to do its work |
| 17:22.59 | verxion | the designers of applescript had a goal in mind - they wanted to allow you to control what was there in the OS. They did their job well, and it does just that. |
| 17:23.05 | MeStinkBAD | Well the point of applescript is to control applications in many cases |
| 17:23.10 | MeStinkBAD | like itunes |
| 17:23.26 | MeStinkBAD | or the finder |
| 17:23.31 | verxion | but this also means that instead of providing the means to code your OWN functionality, you have to use the bulk of other applications instead |
| 17:23.45 | MeStinkBAD | not really no |
| 17:23.51 | verxion | yes really yes |
| 17:24.19 | verxion | applescript for example isn't designed to have the code for playing an mp3 |
| 17:24.30 | verxion | it isn't designed to be able to decode ethernet packets |
| 17:24.43 | verxion | it isn't designed to be able to parse a jpeg file |
| 17:24.51 | verxion | it is DESIGNED to have other applications do that work |
| 17:24.55 | MeStinkBAD | there are osaxen for things like that |
| 17:25.04 | MeStinkBAD | you can embed osaxen within scripts |
| 17:25.07 | verxion | as I said I am unfamiliar with osaxen |
| 17:25.18 | verxion | so to that extent I could very well be wrong |
| 17:25.29 | verxion | but I used applescript most extensively BEFORE osx |
| 17:25.41 | verxion | so that is where my primary familiarity lay |
| 17:26.43 | MeStinkBAD | OSAXen, aka Scripting Addition. There functions and such that extend applescripts capibilities... they're written using a low level language like C++ |
| 17:27.06 | verxion | ahhhh! |
| 17:27.09 | verxion | now that is smart |
| 17:27.18 | verxion | the only bummer is that you have to go to a different language |
| 17:27.27 | MeStinkBAD | what do you mean? |
| 17:27.27 | verxion | see in tcl you can do it all in the one language |
| 17:27.36 | verxion | fortunately tcl works on the mac as well |
| 17:27.37 | MeStinkBAD | you can write osaxen in applescript i suppose |
| 17:27.53 | verxion | I don't think the hooks would be there for everything you would want to do |
| 17:27.56 | MeStinkBAD | yeah i'm sure there's a osaxen for running tcl code from applescript |
| 17:27.59 | verxion | which is why they stub it with c++ |
| 17:28.14 | verxion | well that actually would be doubtful |
| 17:28.20 | verxion | because if you were writing tcl code |
| 17:28.24 | verxion | you wouldn't need applescript at all |
| 17:28.28 | verxion | it wouldn't give you any benefit |
| 17:29.05 | MeStinkBAD | but you can't use tcl for application control |
| 17:29.14 | verxion | and as I said |
| 17:29.25 | verxion | application control is the absolute WORST way I would ever want to accomplish something |
| 17:29.35 | MeStinkBAD | lol k you clearly don't understand |
| 17:29.36 | verxion | I mean as an absolute last resort you would go to something like that |
| 17:31.16 | MeStinkBAD | you don't want application control... yet you use tcl for photoshop |
| 17:31.27 | MeStinkBAD | you are contradicting yourself |
| 17:31.27 | verxion | I just Java for photoshop |
| 17:31.37 | verxion | I never said I used tcl for photoshop |
| 17:31.55 | MeStinkBAD | what do you use tcl for? |
| 17:31.58 | verxion | 10:07 < verxion> I do 99.999% of my application controls from tcl |
| 17:31.58 | verxion | 10:07 < verxion> but I was talking here just about photoshop |
| 17:32.16 | verxion | I use tcl for any functionality I need |
| 17:32.26 | verxion | ie, if an application doesn't do what I want |
| 17:32.30 | MeStinkBAD | your using the tcl language for app control |
| 17:32.32 | verxion | then I write the functionality I want in tcl |
| 17:32.56 | verxion | sec, phone |
| 17:33.02 | MeStinkBAD | oh... so you don't tell photoshop to save the curent image as a jpeg |
| 17:33.34 | MeStinkBAD | rather you'd code a jpeg encoder using tcl |
| 17:34.18 | MeStinkBAD | i'm talking about automation... |
| 17:36.54 | verxion | EXACTLY |
| 17:37.07 | verxion | tcl is the tool I used to get work done when another tool doesn't do the job |
| 17:37.21 | verxion | automation is a different thing entirely |
| 17:37.33 | verxion | (off of phone now) |
| 17:37.44 | MeStinkBAD | for example... |
| 17:37.46 | verxion | I wish mont hadn't had to leave |
| 17:37.47 | verxion | :( |
| 17:38.08 | MeStinkBAD | when i take a screenshot in WoW it saves the file in TARGA format |
| 17:38.21 | MeStinkBAD | I want the file as a JPEG |
| 17:38.44 | verxion | that is actually a PERFECT example |
| 17:38.48 | verxion | see I have a tcl script |
| 17:38.56 | verxion | that watches the screenshot directory |
| 17:39.01 | verxion | and any time a targa file arrives there |
| 17:39.05 | MeStinkBAD | So... I attach a folder action to the screenshors folder. Everytume a new file is added to the folder, it checks if it's an image |
| 17:39.07 | verxion | it automatically converts it to jpeg |
| 17:39.29 | MeStinkBAD | if it is, it converts it to jpeg, and then generates a custom icon of the image |
| 17:39.49 | verxion | well in your case, you have to launch an app though, right? |
| 17:39.52 | verxion | to do the conversion? |
| 17:40.02 | MeStinkBAD | no it's all done using the system events process |
| 17:40.13 | MeStinkBAD | that's always running |
| 17:40.20 | verxion | so what application actually converts the targa to jpeg? |
| 17:41.46 | MeStinkBAD | The system events.app |
| 17:41.50 | MeStinkBAD | it's a core service |
| 17:43.00 | MeStinkBAD | and they're also applescript studio |
| 17:43.07 | MeStinkBAD | which is nifty kewl |
| 17:44.25 | MeStinkBAD | you could use an application |
| 17:44.41 | MeStinkBAD | but the application would just be idling in the background |
| 17:45.37 | MeStinkBAD | though i'm not sure you'd want to trigger an application launch from a folder action... unless very specific cases |
| 17:49.23 | MeStinkBAD | tell me... as someone who deals with images... |
| 17:49.40 | MeStinkBAD | don't you find the quality of icons in windows rather poor? |
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| 17:52.00 | MeStinkBAD | i mean for applications not included with windows |
| 17:52.10 | MeStinkBAD | er gonna restart... |
| 17:55.17 | *** join/#wowwiki MeStinkBAD (i=spoof@ip72-200-90-128.tc.ph.cox.net) |
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| 17:59.14 | laraul | this server sucks |
| 17:59.26 | laraul | i can't register |
| 17:59.53 | laraul | and it won't let me send PRIVMSG to another user without registering |
| 18:00.17 | laraul | so i can't CTCP specific users |
| 18:00.24 | laraul | which is fucked up |
| 18:00.44 | Gryphen | why would just you not be able to register? |
| 18:01.20 | laraul | it says wait 600 seconds to register again... on the first time i tried |
| 18:01.22 | Gryphen | have you checked out http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration ? |
| 18:01.41 | Gryphen | hmm |
| 18:01.59 | laraul | why block privmsgs? |
| 18:02.15 | laraul | NOTICE's aren't blocked |
| 18:02.28 | laraul | they are not that dissimular |
| 18:02.48 | Gryphen | a waste to complain here |
| 18:03.26 | *** join/#wowwiki amro (n=amro@82.101.184.166) |
| 18:04.18 | Gryphen | is the person you want to pm registered? |
| 18:04.20 | Zeal | lo all |
| 18:04.36 | Gryphen | they can disable the block for themselves |
| 18:06.11 | Zeal | they can? :S |
| 18:06.16 | Gryphen | yes |
| 18:06.24 | Gryphen | /msg nickserv set unfiltered on |
| 18:06.48 | laraul | /nickserv works |
| 18:06.54 | Gryphen | yup |
| 18:06.58 | Gryphen | like most |
| 18:08.01 | Zeal | "These messages are turned off by default on freenode at this time because of spambot abuse." |
| 18:08.04 | Zeal | there we go. |
| 18:08.12 | *** join/#wowwiki Lutero (n=Murloc@62.48.117.189) |
| 18:08.18 | Lutero | hi ppl |
| 18:08.22 | laraul | yeah look at all the spambots |
| 18:08.24 | Zeal | wow wiki has a problem for 5 mins? : / |
| 18:08.25 | Lutero | I have a question |
| 18:08.47 | Zeal | lo Lutero |
| 18:09.19 | Lutero | why does in the title it's written "wowwiki has a problem"? I dont see any thing written about that ipotetic problem |
| 18:09.44 | Gryphen | mystery problem |
| 18:09.50 | laraul | i dunno wowwiki seems to have issues |
| 18:10.31 | Hobinheim|work | it's a conspiracy |
| 18:10.31 | laraul | issues that need to be resolved |
| 18:10.31 | Hobinheim|work | i'm tleling you |
| 18:10.31 | Lutero | yeah but in the page there isnt written anything |
| 18:10.31 | Lutero | it's only on the title |
| 18:10.32 | Gryphen | yeah... |
| 18:10.57 | Lutero | maybe i'm wrong |
| 18:11.02 | Lutero | but if im wrong |
| 18:11.03 | Gryphen | no |
| 18:11.03 | laraul | fix the damn preference dialog |
| 18:11.14 | Lutero | there is some ppl that know the problem? |
| 18:11.20 | Lutero | i dont like that title |
| 18:11.28 | Gryphen | the server owner |
| 18:11.40 | laraul | get rid of it |
| 18:11.45 | laraul | it's an annoyance |
| 18:11.48 | Gryphen | really? |
| 18:11.51 | Lutero | ah |
| 18:11.52 | Gryphen | lol |
| 18:12.00 | laraul | wait who runs it? |
| 18:12.33 | laraul | who is the top admin? |
| 18:12.37 | Gryphen | vlad |
| 18:12.41 | laraul | i'm too lasy to check |
| 18:12.54 | laraul | does he ever stop by? |
| 18:13.01 | Gryphen | hes in the chan |
| 18:13.25 | laraul | k i'm blind |
| 18:13.32 | laraul | vlad_, HEY YOU! |
| 18:14.01 | Gryphen | he can see the chat if hes around |
| 18:14.08 | Gryphen | the problem isn't new |
| 18:14.29 | laraul | well if we bug him enough it'll get fixed |
| 18:14.56 | laraul | so bug the bastard! bug him till he begs for mercy! then laugh |
| 18:15.01 | Gryphen | :/ |
| 18:16.04 | laraul | shit gotta logout of host os |
| 18:16.33 | Lutero | how can you stay all days in this chat? |
| 18:17.14 | Lutero | does someone speaks italian here? |
| 18:18.11 | Lutero | byebye |
| 18:18.16 | Lutero | i go to eat |
| 18:18.21 | Lutero | dinner |
| 18:19.23 | Gryphen | erg |
| 18:19.27 | Hobinheim|work | ... |
| 18:19.48 | Hobinheim|work | it is sorta frustrating. now that we've been elevated to admin, there are even more issues to address |
| 18:19.50 | Gryphen | think the A.D.D almost leaked onto me |
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| 18:28.05 | Zeal | lol |
| 18:29.46 | *** join/#wowwiki Laraul (n=dustin@ip72-200-90-128.tc.ph.cox.net) |
| 18:30.15 | Laraul | I've decided to use a Mac IRC client instead of launch windows |
| 18:31.27 | Laraul | 私輪ばかです。 |
| 18:32.22 | Laraul | hmm |
| 18:34.06 | Laraul | damn weird client |
| 18:35.08 | Fin | ? |
| 18:35.25 | Laraul | this chat program |
| 18:36.22 | Laraul | it is just... funky |
| 18:37.02 | Laraul | tried xchat but it didn't wanna behaive |
| 18:41.53 | Fin | coo |
| 18:41.54 | Fin | clever |
| 18:42.20 | Fin | just like one of those chairs they have on beaches |
| 18:43.26 | Laraul | okay the .toc file contains what version the addon is for right? |
| 18:44.24 | Gryphen | the ui version |
| 18:44.44 | Laraul | what version should i look for? |
| 18:44.52 | Fin | http://www.wowwiki.com/The_TOC_Format |
| 18:44.54 | Hobinheim|work | the ui version may be equal to or older than the version of the client |
| 18:45.14 | Laraul | yeah i know but how do i spot one that is "out of date"? |
| 18:45.30 | Hobinheim|work | anything that the client won't load without "load out of date addons" |
| 18:45.31 | Laraul | 20000 stands for ver 2 i imagine |
| 18:46.08 | Fin | god damn hippy! |
| 18:47.00 | Gryphen | 20003 is the current ui version |
| 18:47.24 | Hobinheim|work | any number less than 20003 shouldn't load, without force |
| 18:47.29 | Hobinheim|work | any number less than 20000 won't load at all |
| 18:47.46 | Hobinheim|work | since we made the Big Jump (tm) |
| 18:47.48 | Laraul | ## obviously identifies a string as a comment |
| 18:47.57 | Hobinheim|work | uhh |
| 18:48.02 | Hobinheim|work | not... necessarily... |
| 18:48.13 | Fin | hairy fucking airmpits! |
| 18:48.24 | Hobinheim|work | are you like... even reading the TOC wiki page? |
| 18:48.31 | Hobinheim|work | fin, do you have turrets |
| 18:48.31 | Laraul | sorta |
| 18:48.42 | Fin | no, just a low tolerance |
| 18:49.08 | Hobinheim|work | language. not that i've been a saint or anything |
| 18:49.17 | Fin | today |
| 18:50.38 | Laraul | ## has got to be the comment identifier |
| 18:51.02 | Fin | is there an actual policy on the use of fuck, by the way? |
| 18:51.09 | Laraul | yes |
| 18:51.13 | Fin | where? |
| 18:53.23 | Gryphen | ## are not comments in the toc, the client processes each of these lines |
| 18:54.05 | Laraul | er yes but it probably will ignore unknown identifiers |
| 18:54.32 | amro | it doesn't ignore them it stores them |
| 18:55.06 | Laraul | it doesn't use them |
| 18:55.17 | verxion | Laraul: sorry, had a manager stop by my desk for a while there |
| 18:55.29 | verxion | I don't have ANY issue with icons in windows |
| 18:55.38 | verxion | I just use macosx icons for everything |
| 18:56.12 | Laraul | hmm... what if an identier shows up more than once? |
| 18:56.17 | Laraul | identifier |
| 18:56.42 | Gryphen | why would it? |
| 18:56.53 | Laraul | who knows a mistake maybe |
| 18:57.05 | Gryphen | dont make a mistake |
| 18:57.23 | Gryphen | never seen such a thing |
| 18:57.39 | verxion | Anyone on that knows warlocks really well? |
| 18:57.49 | Laraul | i assume it will use the latter most string |
| 18:57.56 | verxion | I wanna talk about a leveling talent build with someone that has a clue |
| 18:57.57 | Laraul | that's what i would have it do |
| 18:57.57 | verxion | :) |
| 18:59.45 | amro | Laraul: it doesn't really matter what it does in that situation, there shouldn't be 2 identifiers in the first place |
| 19:00.14 | Laraul | okay... you never ask why... if it's possible... you must consider it |
| 19:00.33 | Laraul | fuck the reason you gotta be ready |
| 19:00.39 | Hobinheim|work | verxion, what's up |
| 19:00.41 | Fin | why don't you just try it? you could've found out by now |
| 19:00.49 | Hobinheim|work | i'm not so so familiar with talent builds but ican take a stab |
| 19:00.49 | verxion | Hobinheim|work: not much - do you know warlocks? |
| 19:00.58 | verxion | cool |
| 19:01.14 | verxion | Hobinheim|work: What I am after primarily is a way to grind nonstop |
| 19:01.25 | Hobinheim|work | fastest answer = affliction |
| 19:01.28 | verxion | it looks like I need to wait till 30 - 40 to really have that come into its own |
| 19:01.37 | verxion | yeah, I have pretty much set on affliction |
| 19:01.42 | Hobinheim|work | aim for CoX, dark pact, imp tap, etc |
| 19:01.45 | Hobinheim|work | so what's the problem? |
| 19:01.52 | Hobinheim|work | imp drain also... |
| 19:01.53 | verxion | now I am wondering primarily about the order I take things in |
| 19:01.56 | Hobinheim|work | fel concentration... |
| 19:02.02 | Hobinheim|work | what level are you now? |
| 19:02.13 | Fin | impossible! crazy talk! madness! |
| 19:02.18 | Fin | oops, wrong channel |
| 19:02.20 | Laraul | k my assumption was correct :) |
| 19:02.24 | Fin | I get the first one free |
| 19:02.27 | verxion | 11 at the moment |
| 19:02.34 | verxion | when I get home I begin leveling it more |
| 19:03.00 | Hobinheim|work | imp corr should be your first step |
| 19:03.13 | verxion | I put my first point into Suppression and yes I agree it should have been imp corr |
| 19:03.28 | Hobinheim|work | finish off with corruptoin then |
| 19:03.44 | Hobinheim|work | but go to the next tier asap, i guess you'll have to settle for a near instant corr |
| 19:03.55 | Hobinheim|work | probably imp drain and imp tap next |
| 19:04.00 | Hobinheim|work | back track to imp corr if you want |
| 19:04.08 | verxion | I have tons of cash from my main so I will probably just respec, lol |
| 19:04.16 | Hobinheim|work | amp curse, fel concentration |
| 19:04.26 | Hobinheim|work | nightfall |
| 19:04.40 | Hobinheim|work | grim reach if you're feeling sauacy |
| 19:04.47 | Hobinheim|work | coX, siphon |
| 19:04.56 | Hobinheim|work | i've heard people like embrace |
| 19:04.58 | Hobinheim|work | no one's really sure |
| 19:05.08 | Hobinheim|work | it might be bugged or mis-described which makes it more awesome |
| 19:05.22 | Hobinheim|work | and then hit dark pact and UA |
| 19:05.29 | Hobinheim|work | ooo and imp howl |
| 19:05.35 | Hobinheim|work | those are pretty much all the hotspots i've heard of |
| 19:05.55 | verxion | ok, thanks |
| 19:06.56 | Hobinheim|work | this is you |
| 19:06.56 | Hobinheim|work | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IqMrVRbkqtro |
| 19:07.13 | Hobinheim|work | that's like the bare minimum bee-line-ing to UA |
| 19:07.22 | Hobinheim|work | i made some ehh choices for a matter of filling up points |
| 19:07.28 | Hobinheim|work | but it's about hitting the landmarks |
| 19:07.30 | Hobinheim|work | the rest is up to you |
| 19:07.37 | Hobinheim|work | i backtracked for soul siphon |
| 19:07.38 | verxion | thanks for your time man |
| 19:07.41 | Hobinheim|work | but i didn't know when else to get it |
| 19:07.41 | verxion | really appreciate it |
| 19:07.50 | Hobinheim|work | cuz that'd be nice for drain tanking |
| 19:08.01 | Hobinheim|work | but imp tap is traditional and drain soul is good now i hear |
| 19:08.22 | Hobinheim|work | oh and... |
| 19:08.26 | Hobinheim|work | this might not work out for you right now |
| 19:08.34 | Hobinheim|work | i've heard that late 20s to early 40s |
| 19:08.38 | Hobinheim|work | affliction's not really kicking it |
| 19:08.43 | Hobinheim|work | something about awkward spell power and mob levels |
| 19:08.44 | verxion | interesting |
| 19:08.51 | Hobinheim|work | but after 40, it's supposed to shine really well |
| 19:08.55 | Hobinheim|work | and be amazingly amazing |
| 19:08.57 | Hobinheim|work | like it's supposed to be |
| 19:09.00 | verxion | heheheh |
| 19:09.05 | Hobinheim|work | so yeah |
| 19:09.07 | Hobinheim|work | affliction |
| 19:09.11 | verxion | ok, so do you think demonology or destruction for 20 - 40? |
| 19:09.28 | axxo | demo |
| 19:09.34 | Hobinheim|work | ehh destruction one would never use for the grind |
| 19:09.39 | Hobinheim|work | most people don't like it because of the inefficiency |
| 19:09.44 | Hobinheim|work | so i guess we'd go demo by default |
| 19:09.47 | verxion | yeah that seems my thought |
| 19:09.49 | Hobinheim|work | demo's not... super fantastic |
| 19:09.53 | Hobinheim|work | it's just... sturdy. imo. |
| 19:09.53 | verxion | demo strikes me as "wanna be mage" |
| 19:10.00 | Hobinheim|work | destruction you mean |
| 19:10.02 | Hobinheim|work | demo = pets |
| 19:10.03 | axxo | that would be destro |
| 19:10.05 | verxion | er yes, destro |
| 19:10.06 | verxion | rofl |
| 19:10.10 | verxion | I meant destro |
| 19:10.19 | Hobinheim|work | the "grind" pet would be either the succubus or void walker |
| 19:10.26 | Hobinheim|work | voidwalker for yellow, succubus for greens |
| 19:10.32 | verxion | cool |
| 19:10.46 | Hobinheim|work | drain tanking not so fantastic without talents |
| 19:10.59 | Hobinheim|work | felguard drain tanking with mana tap is ok but you won't be that far in i don't think |
| 19:11.08 | Hobinheim|work | *mana feed |
| 19:11.17 | Hobinheim|work | i would just stick with affliction |
| 19:11.27 | Hobinheim|work | save yourself the trouble and the gold |
| 19:11.32 | axxo | afflliction is imba still 68+ |
| 19:11.34 | Hobinheim|work | maybe you can work or spec around it and get back to us |
| 19:11.38 | Hobinheim|work | like topload your shadow dmg |
| 19:11.38 | verxion | through the 20 - 40 range even? |
| 19:11.38 | axxo | then mobs start too hit too hard |
| 19:12.17 | Hobinheim|work | i think even with its reported awkward ness it's better than demo. and certainly better than destro |
| 19:12.37 | Hobinheim|work | demo doesn't SHINE cuz a lot of points are "wasted" on perma pets |
| 19:12.43 | Hobinheim|work | while affliction benefits you 24/7 |
| 19:13.26 | verxion | yeah, it seems harsh to dump points into pets you won't have out 100% of the time |
| 19:13.53 | Hobinheim|work | but demons are my buddies, so i don't mind =P |
| 19:13.58 | verxion | heheheh |
| 19:14.08 | Hobinheim|work | i was thinking of a non-perma enslavement build but that just sounds stupid |
| 19:14.09 | verxion | I like the idea of sticking with affliction |
| 19:14.44 | Zeal | cheese |
| 19:15.11 | verxion | I thought enslaved demons became uncontrollable |
| 19:15.20 | verxion | such that you eventually had to release them |
| 19:15.34 | Hobinheim|work | enslaved demons stay with you five minutes out of the box |
| 19:15.47 | Hobinheim|work | with some fancy footwork and a CoS, you can get another five minutes tops |
| 19:15.52 | Hobinheim|work | it starts getting random |
| 19:15.56 | Hobinheim|work | 4:30, 2:00, useless |
| 19:16.13 | Hobinheim|work | it's good when you can make every second could |
| 19:16.22 | verxion | count? |
| 19:16.25 | Hobinheim|work | but there are two problems. unless it's your quested infernal, demons can't hold aggro |
| 19:16.35 | Hobinheim|work | and the other is ... i can't remember |
| 19:16.38 | verxion | heh |
| 19:16.44 | Hobinheim|work | making every second count. again. |
| 19:16.57 | Hobinheim|work | 5 mins wasted on drinking is stupid |
| 19:17.07 | Hobinheim|work | the right thing to do is DS right before you enslave |
| 19:17.11 | Hobinheim|work | so they "stack" |
| 19:17.12 | Zeal | cheeseyfelcano |
| 19:17.46 | Hobinheim|work | felcheese is not of creature type Demon |
| 19:17.50 | Zeal | i hate warlocks, straictly for lore reasons, ;) |
| 19:17.55 | Hobinheim|work | everyone does |
| 19:18.06 | verxion | heheh |
| 19:18.06 | Hobinheim|work | i love warlocks. they're like the uncola |
| 19:18.11 | Zeal | to the point they want thme removed from the game? :P |
| 19:18.19 | Hobinheim|work | orc warlocks are the reason why warcraft has demons in it |
| 19:18.39 | Zeal | night elfs are the reason actually ;) |
| 19:18.46 | Hobinheim|work | the humans and gnomes are just curious bastards. the undead are copy cats that have no shame. and the blood elves. well. any way they can get it. |
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| 19:20.08 | Zeal | i also dislike rogues for similar reasons, but their savign grace is that they belong as part of the hunter class. :p |
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| 19:20.34 | Hobinheim|work | ? |
| 19:20.43 | verxion | zeal maketh no senseth |
| 19:20.55 | Hobinheim|work | druids almost didn't make it into wow because the lore guy wanted druids to all be male |
| 19:21.21 | Hobinheim|work | and rogues were going to be named assassins |
| 19:21.32 | verxion | assassins makes more sense |
| 19:22.22 | Zeal | zeal maketh lotso senseth |
| 19:22.42 | verxion | if you sayeth |
| 19:22.43 | verxion | :) |
| 19:23.22 | Zeal | hunter = ranger/beast master/assasin |
| 19:23.49 | verxion | hunter != assassin |
| 19:23.53 | verxion | rogue == assasin |
| 19:24.00 | Hobinheim|work | melee class != ranged pet class |
| 19:24.06 | verxion | exactly |
| 19:24.16 | Hobinheim|work | they're almost polar opposites, save the lack of magic |
| 19:24.24 | Zeal | rangers are practically the same as a hunter crossed with a rogue. |
| 19:24.29 | Zeal | i'm talking lore here hob |
| 19:24.31 | Hobinheim|work | wtf is a ranger |
| 19:24.33 | Hobinheim|work | w/e |
| 19:24.41 | Zeal | that can be made to work into game mechanics as one |
| 19:24.42 | verxion | lore != reality |
| 19:24.47 | Hobinheim|work | the only ranger i know is lady sylvannas |
| 19:24.54 | Hobinheim|work | and archers? |
| 19:25.11 | Hobinheim|work | man someone should get fan of knives... |
| 19:25.17 | Zeal | a ranger doesn't use pets, a ranger also uses alot of close combat skills, traps and poisons liek a rogue |
| 19:25.20 | Hobinheim|work | uhh we need animate dead |
| 19:25.30 | Hobinheim|work | where are you reading this |
| 19:25.31 | Zeal | but that's always been optional |
| 19:25.36 | Hobinheim|work | a *range*r |
| 19:25.46 | Zeal | not reading it from anywhere, its an accumulation of lore. |
| 19:26.25 | verxion | Hobinheim|work: translation - he makes it up as he goes. :) |
| 19:26.29 | Hobinheim|work | what close combat skills does a ranger have |
| 19:26.47 | Hobinheim|work | i dunno i think blizzard has pigeonholed themselves |
| 19:27.03 | Hobinheim|work | it's almost impossible to introduce a new class that can't be described in terms of existing classes |
| 19:27.06 | Zeal | alleria windrunner for example, was a ranger. she did not enter into close combat with melee weapons however, she stayed at range, and she would simply fight off with her bow used as stave until she could get range again. |
| 19:27.20 | Hobinheim|work | my idea of a melee pet using, alternative energy bar-wielding monk class stands |
| 19:27.48 | Hobinheim|work | raptor strike != plethora of melee skills |
| 19:27.53 | verxion | Hobinheim|work: blizzard have clearly stated they do NOT intend to add classes |
| 19:27.59 | Hobinheim|work | really? |
| 19:28.09 | verxion | they feel that the talent tree is sufficient for adding new "flavor" |
| 19:29.02 | Hobinheim|work | yeah i think so |
| 19:29.08 | Hobinheim|work | but they need to be even MORE divergent |
| 19:29.15 | Hobinheim|work | like i want metamorphosis |
| 19:29.26 | verxion | that would be your druid |
| 19:30.39 | Hobinheim|work | uhh no |
| 19:30.43 | Hobinheim|work | like illidan style |
| 19:30.46 | Hobinheim|work | demon hunter |
| 19:30.49 | Hobinheim|work | METAMORPHSIS |
| 19:30.53 | Hobinheim|work | not shape shifting |
| 19:30.58 | Hobinheim|work | i want green felfire outta my nose |
| 19:31.01 | Hobinheim|work | know what i'm sayin |
| 19:31.08 | verxion | rofl |
| 19:31.14 | Hobinheim|work | also, i still have a plan in place for a new class, and i was thinking about writing a fake article about it |
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| 19:31.28 | Hobinheim|work | the only way to make a new class is to write down a matrix of all the existing classes |
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| 19:31.35 | Hobinheim|work | and draw a line where the deficiencies are |
| 19:31.38 | Hobinheim|work | that's your new class |
| 19:33.55 | Zeal | anyways, rename to ranger. drop the pet, they become summonable talents for bm tree isntead. add 1-2 melee poisons. replace mana bar with energy. setup combo system. talent trees, provide more shots (namely frost, fire etc) for marksmanship tree, provide fixed array of specific pets types through bm tree (aka, copy warlocks), add further traps, poisons and melee proficiency in assasin tree. |
| 19:34.45 | verxion | or |
| 19:34.49 | verxion | just play a hunter |
| 19:34.50 | verxion | as is |
| 19:34.53 | verxion | and get the same thing |
| 19:34.55 | Zeal | i already do |
| 19:34.59 | Zeal | and it's nothing like that |
| 19:35.10 | verxion | you can choose not to use the pet |
| 19:35.17 | verxion | you can do melee poison |
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| 19:35.32 | verxion | no reason to replace mana with energy it is just a NAME for crisakes |
| 19:35.38 | Laraul | her ver... earlier i asked what you thought about the state of icons used in Windows? |
| 19:35.47 | verxion | Laraul: and earlier I responded |
| 19:35.51 | Zeal | yes, i'll sanely choose to loos 30% of my dps.. |
| 19:35.51 | Laraul | I missed it |
| 19:36.07 | Zeal | energy does not function like mana |
| 19:36.07 | verxion | Zeal: well YOU are the one wanting to lose it |
| 19:36.26 | verxion | Laraul: I don't have any issue with my macosx icons |
| 19:36.30 | verxion | that I use in windows |
| 19:36.33 | Zeal | no verxion, i'm marking it as an optional dps increase, soemthing that is replaceable |
| 19:36.37 | Hobinheim|work | i want vista |
| 19:36.42 | verxion | Hobinheim|work: then run it |
| 19:36.43 | Zeal | the current pet system does not offer that. |
| 19:36.45 | verxion | that is what I do |
| 19:37.04 | Laraul | lol k you use osx icons really? |
| 19:37.12 | verxion | Laraul: yes, really |
| 19:37.20 | verxion | I also have the macosx launcher thingy |
| 19:37.33 | verxion | the little hover over it and scroll through it to choose what to launch thingy |
| 19:37.42 | Laraul | what about icons for .rar files? |
| 19:37.56 | verxion | an icon is an icon is an icon |
| 19:37.57 | verxion | rofl |
| 19:38.05 | verxion | I just grabbed all the macosx icons |
| 19:38.06 | verxion | and blam |
| 19:38.08 | verxion | done |
| 19:39.04 | Hobinheim|work | i'd sooner install linux than vista |
| 19:39.06 | Laraul | for apps and docs? |
| 19:39.07 | Hobinheim|work | i don't trus tit yet |
| 19:39.11 | Hobinheim|work | even tho i'm an MS whore |
| 19:39.27 | Laraul | the reason why i ask i because of vista |
| 19:39.30 | Laraul | vista uses big nice icons... thank god |
| 19:39.36 | verxion | Laraul: my word documents show the document as the icon |
| 19:39.46 | verxion | for example |
| 19:40.06 | Laraul | what about the icon word the winword.exe ? |
| 19:40.14 | verxion | I have the macosx icon for it |
| 19:40.21 | Laraul | how did you change it? |
| 19:40.24 | verxion | I mean how frigging hard is this to understand? |
| 19:40.29 | verxion | I use all the mac icons. . . |
| 19:40.49 | Laraul | the icon is embedded in the binary... how did you change it? |
| 19:40.54 | verxion | um |
| 19:40.55 | verxion | no |
| 19:40.59 | verxion | there is an icon in the binary |
| 19:41.02 | verxion | but you don't HAVE to use it |
| 19:41.05 | verxion | additionally |
| 19:41.07 | verxion | you can change it |
| 19:41.12 | verxion | but you do not have to |
| 19:41.18 | Laraul | really and how does one do this? |
| 19:41.29 | verxion | well if you are interested in this sort of thing |
| 19:41.33 | verxion | go to stardock.com |
| 19:41.36 | Laraul | i'm not talking about shortcut files |
| 19:41.39 | verxion | they have a myriad of products |
| 19:41.52 | verxion | iconpackager is the one I use for icons |
| 19:42.09 | verxion | but they also have objectdock |
| 19:42.13 | Laraul | oh god windowblinds augh |
| 19:42.13 | verxion | which is the mac launcher thingy |
| 19:42.20 | verxion | no |
| 19:42.25 | verxion | I -*HATE*- windowblinds |
| 19:42.29 | verxion | I won't ever run that pos |
| 19:42.39 | Laraul | yeah i hate it too |
| 19:42.51 | verxion | I only run three of their products |
| 19:43.43 | Zeal | why won't you run windows blinds? |
| 19:43.53 | verxion | because it is inherently evil for 1 |
| 19:43.57 | verxion | and for 2, I don't need it on vista |
| 19:44.00 | Zeal | how so? |
| 19:44.10 | verxion | in plain old XP you needed it to do certain sorts of things |
| 19:44.30 | Zeal | well naturally, most people don't use vista yet :P |
| 19:44.39 | Laraul | lot of this stuff looks dumb... like objectdesktop |
| 19:44.50 | verxion | basically there is iconpackager/objectdock/multiplicity |
| 19:44.54 | verxion | those are the only three I use |
| 19:44.56 | verxion | NOTHING else |
| 19:45.01 | verxion | because you are precisely right |
| 19:45.05 | verxion | MOST of it is dumb as hell |
| 19:45.35 | Laraul | MacOS icons... if you didn't know... look prettt good |
| 19:45.43 | verxion | Laraul: I do know |
| 19:45.44 | verxion | cuz |
| 19:45.45 | Laraul | they are all 128x128 in size |
| 19:45.46 | verxion | as I have said |
| 19:45.49 | verxion | like 30 times now |
| 19:45.51 | verxion | I use them |
| 19:45.52 | verxion | rofl |
| 19:45.53 | Laraul | yes i know |
| 19:46.09 | verxion | I also get icons from deviantart |
| 19:46.14 | verxion | there are some cool ones there imho |
| 19:46.44 | verxion | now granted, there is total utter CRAP there too |
| 19:46.44 | verxion | ya have to be picky |
| 19:46.45 | verxion | but if you are, you can find some good stuff |
| 19:46.45 | Zeal | i'm running windows blinds and er.. logonstudio? :S something like that |
| 19:47.07 | Laraul | When you download a file, the icon of the file changes to represent how much of it's downloaded |
| 19:47.17 | verxion | zeal - yeah, I used to run so many tools like that on windows xp that literally my mac friends would ask me "YOU CAN RUN OS X ON A DELL?!?!?" |
| 19:47.26 | Laraul | Customizing icons is sooo easy on a mac |
| 19:47.28 | Zeal | lol |
| 19:47.35 | verxion | Laraul: as it is on vista |
| 19:47.42 | Zeal | well i don't try to emulate macosx.. |
| 19:47.44 | verxion | Laraul: but then let's all admit it - vista stole macosx |
| 19:47.45 | verxion | :) |
| 19:47.52 | Laraul | Well sorta |
| 19:48.03 | Laraul | I dunno if aero is as advanced as Quartz |
| 19:48.25 | verxion | Laraul: aero and quartz are pretty damned similar actually |
| 19:48.46 | verxion | though granted, Bill Gates did NOT say to his developers "Make it look like something you would want to taste" |
| 19:48.49 | verxion | :) |
| 19:49.00 | Zeal | i don't really like aero tbh |
| 19:49.29 | verxion | to each their own |
| 19:49.31 | verxion | to me |
| 19:49.35 | verxion | someone saying they don't like aero |
| 19:49.43 | verxion | is like someone saying they don't like quartz graphite |
| 19:49.48 | Laraul | I like aero for the most part. The popup window when you hover your mouse over an app in the taskbar is nice |
| 19:49.50 | verxion | it isn't like you can't change it to look however you want |
| 19:49.59 | Zeal | which i don't heh. but it's better than aero |
| 19:50.13 | verxion | Zeal: well hopefully you get my point then, rofl |
| 19:50.14 | Laraul | but they need something like expose |
| 19:50.24 | verxion | Laraul: um, have you not seen vista? |
| 19:50.39 | Zeal | i hate the breadcrumb navigation most of all in vista |
| 19:50.40 | Laraul | I have it installed on my other computer |
| 19:50.43 | Zeal | it's illogical to me. |
| 19:51.01 | verxion | Laraul: then you should know vista comes with their stolen version of expose' |
| 19:51.01 | Zeal | great idea, but they've done it stupidly. |
| 19:51.10 | Laraul | You mean the stupid shit like how it displays a freaking page when you go to display properties |
| 19:51.17 | Laraul | that is the dumbest thing ever |
| 19:51.19 | verxion | Zeal: actually I agree with you about the breadcrumb stuff |
| 19:51.33 | verxion | Laraul: no, I mean when it shows you a screen just like expose |
| 19:51.47 | Zeal | well i haven't explained what it think is bad about it yet ;) |
| 19:51.47 | Laraul | what's wrong with expose? |
| 19:51.55 | verxion | nothing is wrong with expose |
| 19:52.00 | Zeal | tbh i should start up vista and remind myself.. heh |
| 19:52.01 | verxion | that is why I am glad they put it into vista |
| 19:52.13 | Zeal | still got an old RC2+ beta |
| 19:52.14 | verxion | they stole so frigging much from apple |
| 19:52.14 | verxion | :) |
| 19:52.15 | Laraul | when does vista display all windows on the screen at once? |
| 19:52.27 | verxion | Laraul: when you hit "Windows+Tab" |
| 19:52.34 | verxion | the windows key |
| 19:52.39 | verxion | or whatever you wanna call it |
| 19:52.41 | Laraul | That is nothing like expose |
| 19:52.49 | Laraul | you want me to take a screenshot? |
| 19:52.49 | Zeal | that's the stacked one.. |
| 19:53.00 | Zeal | you want the tiled one. |
| 19:53.02 | verxion | Laraul: expose displays the windows |
| 19:53.07 | verxion | windows+tab displays the windows |
| 19:53.08 | Zeal | which is alt+win? :S |
| 19:53.09 | verxion | I pick the window |
| 19:53.11 | verxion | done deal |
| 19:53.28 | Laraul | yeah but you have to cycle thru them all... alt-tab is easier |
| 19:53.35 | verxion | um no |
| 19:53.37 | verxion | I use my mouse |
| 19:53.41 | verxion | I click on the window I want |
| 19:53.42 | verxion | done |
| 19:53.44 | Zeal | verxion, it's not win+tab for that one |
| 19:53.46 | verxion | just like I do on expose |
| 19:54.00 | verxion | Zeal: I don't use it much - there is an icon for it on the taskbar |
| 19:54.07 | verxion | I actually use that more than the keystroke |
| 19:54.23 | Zeal | i can't remmeber what the keys are for that one :s |
| 19:54.26 | Zeal | i never tried it out |
| 19:54.37 | verxion | the thing of it is - since the taskbar shows you the window preview as you hover over each tab, I actually prefer THAT to expose |
| 19:54.52 | Laraul | k got vista up in remote desktop |
| 19:55.06 | verxion | because the only time I am in any way unsure of what window to launch is if I have four of the same app |
| 19:55.11 | verxion | and a quick hover fixes that for me now |
| 19:55.21 | verxion | Zeal: I have been running vista for two years now |
| 19:55.27 | Zeal | cool |
| 19:55.31 | Zeal | heh |
| 19:55.38 | Laraul | oh damn aero is not enabled thru remote desktop |
| 19:55.40 | verxion | I didn't used to be able to run anything but photoshop 7 on it |
| 19:55.48 | Zeal | i never bothered before after the crap it went through |
| 19:55.50 | verxion | Laraul: as it should be |
| 19:55.51 | Laraul | i have no monitor hooked up to that computer |
| 19:55.58 | verxion | Laraul: ie, it SHOULD disable aero for remote |
| 19:56.02 | Zeal | decided to wait until it moved on to a point it was worth checking out. |
| 19:56.02 | Laraul | yeah i know |
| 19:56.18 | Laraul | aero is done thru 3d accel |
| 19:56.28 | verxion | yeah which can be crazy weird |
| 19:56.30 | verxion | for example |
| 19:56.34 | verxion | if you reboot the computer |
| 19:56.42 | verxion | you can still move windows on your screen |
| 19:56.45 | verxion | WHILE it is rebooting |
| 19:56.50 | verxion | since the gui is running on the video card gpu |
| 19:56.51 | verxion | :) |
| 19:56.55 | Zeal | lol |
| 19:57.03 | verxion | now granted it is only for a second |
| 19:57.08 | verxion | but it is funny as hell to see |
| 19:57.09 | verxion | :) |
| 19:57.15 | Zeal | what you running vista on btw. both of you. |
| 19:57.34 | verxion | I run it on a core duo extreme with 4gb of ram |
| 19:57.47 | Zeal | gfx? |
| 19:57.53 | verxion | I have an older card |
| 19:57.55 | verxion | 7800GTX |
| 19:58.03 | Zeal | older card.. lol |
| 19:58.08 | verxion | well it is |
| 19:58.11 | Zeal | hardly |
| 19:58.13 | verxion | I have had it for almost two years now |
| 19:58.23 | Zeal | it's newer than anything i have. |
| 19:58.27 | verxion | heh |
| 19:58.34 | verxion | well it is positively ancient by todays standards |
| 19:58.41 | Zeal | how so? |
| 19:58.47 | Zeal | it's still the latest nvidia generation |
| 19:58.49 | verxion | it isn't a dx10 card |
| 19:58.56 | Zeal | it's not? O_o |
| 19:58.59 | verxion | nope |
| 19:59.01 | Zeal | er.. |
| 19:59.02 | Zeal | wtf? |
| 19:59.11 | verxion | I think you are confusing model numbers |
| 19:59.22 | Zeal | i think you are, heh. |
| 19:59.29 | Laraul | i think dx10 is sorta stupid |
| 19:59.34 | Laraul | just vista will use it |
| 19:59.41 | verxion | they have a 7900 and 7950 out |
| 19:59.43 | verxion | those are much newer |
| 19:59.45 | Zeal | nope.. i've just been out of the loop apparently |
| 19:59.48 | verxion | the 7800 is OLD |
| 19:59.57 | Zeal | those are still the same generation |
| 20:00.05 | Zeal | anyways.. 8800 i see now.. |
| 20:00.05 | Laraul | i say opengl ftw! |
| 20:00.14 | verxion | opengl was cool in the 90's |
| 20:00.15 | verxion | :) |
| 20:00.32 | Zeal | didn't evne know the 8000 series was announced :p |
| 20:00.38 | verxion | yeah |
| 20:00.41 | verxion | that is the dx10 world |
| 20:00.46 | Laraul | for some reason when i run WOW in OpenGl mode in windows the framerate is capped at 30 |
| 20:00.52 | verxion | ATI has been dx10 compliant for a while now |
| 20:00.58 | Zeal | aye |
| 20:00.58 | verxion | just that their cards all suck is all |
| 20:01.11 | Zeal | neg |
| 20:01.13 | verxion | nothing like buying a card from a company named daamit |
| 20:01.14 | Laraul | Really I have an XT1800 or something |
| 20:01.36 | Zeal | i'm still a generation behind. don't plan to upgrade until i get the mobo i want in a shuttle.. |
| 20:01.44 | Zeal | X850XT PE |
| 20:01.46 | Laraul | ATI for Mac Nvidia for Windows |
| 20:02.05 | verxion | yeah, from what I know, ATI is the way to go on mac |
| 20:02.25 | Zeal | guess i'll be reading anandtech all day then >_>; |
| 20:02.32 | verxion | heh |
| 20:02.35 | verxion | that is one way to learn |
| 20:03.50 | Laraul | you know they could have left dx10 backword compatible if they didn't do such a shit ass job in the early versions |
| 20:03.50 | verxion | Another way would be to read newegg |
| 20:03.50 | verxion | http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustratingReview.asp?item=N82E16814122018 |
| 20:03.59 | verxion | Laraul: um, THAT is in NO way the reason it isn't backwards compatible. |
| 20:04.21 | verxion | dx10 is actually compatible with dx9 in internal builds |
| 20:04.34 | Laraul | i don't think so... |
| 20:04.35 | verxion | you wanna know the REAL reason? |
| 20:04.39 | verxion | yes, it is so |
| 20:04.39 | Laraul | they work totally different |
| 20:04.44 | verxion | we have an internal build here at Boeing |
| 20:04.53 | verxion | one of those fun |
| 20:04.58 | verxion | "not for release" builds |
| 20:05.10 | Laraul | i would guess to make directx stuff harder to move to other platforms |
| 20:05.22 | verxion | they have said very clearly |
| 20:05.31 | verxion | they NEED reasons to force people to go to Vista |
| 20:05.34 | verxion | this is one of them |
| 20:05.43 | Laraul | everyone is gonna move to vista |
| 20:05.45 | verxion | personally I think they are making a mistake |
| 20:05.51 | Laraul | just it will take a year or two |
| 20:05.52 | verxion | well Vista + HD = bad |
| 20:05.58 | verxion | but other than HD I like Vista quite well |
| 20:06.03 | Laraul | HD? |
| 20:06.08 | verxion | high definition content |
| 20:06.12 | verxion | ie, hd-dvd, blu-ray |
| 20:06.13 | verxion | etc. |
| 20:06.31 | verxion | there are some truly evil things about vista and hd |
| 20:06.37 | verxion | but if you avoid hd, it isn't bad |
| 20:06.53 | Laraul | hd-dvd does use vc-1 which is basically what wmv uses |
| 20:07.00 | verxion | well |
| 20:07.05 | verxion | littleknown fact for ya here |
| 20:07.20 | verxion | hd-dvd can't be played on ANY currently manufactured digital monitor |
| 20:07.27 | verxion | neither can blu-ray |
| 20:07.30 | verxion | now ironically |
| 20:07.34 | verxion | an ancient vga monitor |
| 20:07.35 | verxion | yer fine |
| 20:07.36 | verxion | :) |
| 20:07.41 | Laraul | and why would that be? |
| 20:07.49 | Laraul | not hdcp complient? |
| 20:07.51 | verxion | HDCP |
| 20:07.52 | verxion | right |
| 20:08.00 | Laraul | Nothing even USES that yet |
| 20:08.00 | verxion | I mean they are COMING |
| 20:08.05 | Laraul | And I doubt they ever will |
| 20:08.08 | verxion | but it is hilarious you can BUY an HP computer |
| 20:08.14 | verxion | that comes with an hd-dvd drive |
| 20:08.18 | verxion | and a "free" movie |
| 20:08.20 | Hobinheim|work | what do alliance spirit healers look like in PVP |
| 20:08.23 | verxion | but you can't play it on the system |
| 20:08.24 | verxion | :) |
| 20:08.24 | Hobinheim|work | horde spirit healers are tauren |
| 20:08.30 | Hobinheim|work | i asked this already but i don't remember |
| 20:08.40 | Laraul | Well I can hook up my computer to my TV... it's HDCP complient |
| 20:08.46 | Laraul | But like i said nothing uses it |
| 20:08.52 | verxion | Laraul: yeah |
| 20:08.58 | verxion | well actually something does |
| 20:09.11 | verxion | if you download one of the ripped hd-dvds or blu-ray movies from the net |
| 20:09.14 | verxion | not that you would |
| 20:09.16 | verxion | or that I would |
| 20:09.18 | verxion | but if you DID |
| 20:09.21 | Laraul | i haven't yet ^^ |
| 20:09.44 | verxion | you would find that it requires you to have an HDCP compliant video card and monitor |
| 20:09.47 | verxion | -*UNLESS*- |
| 20:09.48 | verxion | you happen |
| 20:10.29 | verxion | just coincidentally |
| 20:10.29 | verxion | to have an old 6.5 copy of |
| 20:10.29 | verxion | powerdvd |
| 20:10.30 | verxion | now if you did |
| 20:10.30 | verxion | then everything would be fine |
| 20:10.30 | verxion | all hypothetically of course |
| 20:11.00 | Laraul | this makes me wanna visit doom9 but i just don't feel like it |
| 20:11.09 | verxion | heh |
| 20:11.23 | verxion | you need a pretty good connection |
| 20:11.27 | verxion | most are 20gb minimum |
| 20:12.12 | Laraul | HD-DVDs are 15-30GB... Blu-ray 25-50GB |
| 20:12.31 | verxion | even the majority of the blu-ray ones are 20gb |
| 20:12.37 | verxion | they strip the "extra features" |
| 20:12.50 | Laraul | hd-dvd and blu-ray are basically identical |
| 20:12.54 | verxion | exactly right |
| 20:12.59 | verxion | 1080p is what they offer |
| 20:13.01 | verxion | the rest is fluff |
| 20:13.40 | Laraul | My TV does just 1280x720... but it looks good |
| 20:13.57 | verxion | 720p ain't to be scoffed at |
| 20:13.59 | Laraul | Why do people go out and buy a 32" TV that does 1080p? |
| 20:14.03 | Laraul | that is just DUMB |
| 20:14.13 | verxion | Laraul: because there wasn't a 20" that did 1080p? |
| 20:14.38 | Laraul | the point is you need a big screen to appreciate 1920x1080 |
| 20:14.45 | verxion | well yes and no |
| 20:14.49 | Laraul | like 50" |
| 20:15.03 | verxion | my 1920x1200 flat panels play blu-ray and hd-dvd content |
| 20:15.06 | verxion | and it looks AMAZING |
| 20:15.07 | amro | get friends and go to theatres |
| 20:15.22 | verxion | people's jaws just drop when I demo it for 'em |
| 20:15.38 | verxion | but for a real TV watching experience I am with amro |
| 20:15.39 | amro | but then you feel uncomfortable when you're using another computer |
| 20:15.41 | Laraul | yeah... how far from the screen do you have to sit though? |
| 20:15.44 | verxion | I go into my home theater with my friends |
| 20:15.46 | verxion | and watch movies there |
| 20:15.52 | amro | er screen |
| 20:15.56 | Laraul | i don't wanna watch TV on a monitor! |
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| 20:16.22 | verxion | Laraul: I have stadium seating where the first row of my theater is about 10 feet from the screen |
| 20:16.35 | Laraul | And your screen is just 26"? |
| 20:16.44 | verxion | no, rofl |
| 20:16.48 | verxion | that is my MONITOR |
| 20:16.56 | Laraul | what is your screen? |
| 20:17.02 | Laraul | you use a projector? |
| 20:17.04 | verxion | yeah |
| 20:17.10 | equiraptor | Your monitor is just 26"? ;P |
| 20:17.12 | Laraul | bleh we got one... i don't like it |
| 20:17.19 | verxion | equiraptor: exactly right. |
| 20:17.43 | equiraptor | We have a Sony SXRD 60" rear projection for a TV, but we don't have stadium seating. |
| 20:18.02 | equiraptor | We also each have a 30" cinema display, in my case attached to a Mac Pro, his to a dual G5 PowerMac. |
| 20:18.08 | Laraul | I have a Toshiba 46" |
| 20:18.26 | verxion | I have an old 40" toshiba SDTV for the living room |
| 20:18.28 | Gryphen | i have hitachi 55" |
| 20:18.31 | equiraptor | The TV's better for watching TV, because the native resolution of the 30" is bigger than HDTV, so things don't look quite right. |
| 20:18.32 | verxion | but that is just for the news |
| 20:18.43 | Laraul | The room I watch TV in is rather small |
| 20:18.54 | Laraul | the 46" inch looks kinda huge in this room |
| 20:19.14 | Laraul | They had a 65"... but then i'd need to sit way back in the bathroom |
| 20:19.36 | Laraul | But i got surround sound also |
| 20:19.46 | verxion | heh |
| 20:19.49 | verxion | in my old apartment |
| 20:19.56 | verxion | the "TV Room" was not square |
| 20:20.03 | verxion | it was hilarious setting up the speakers |
| 20:20.03 | verxion | :) |
| 20:20.23 | Laraul | was it a 5.1 or 6.1? |
| 20:20.25 | verxion | I got a digital sequencer to get the timing for the speakers right |
| 20:20.26 | verxion | 5.1 |
| 20:20.33 | verxion | it sounded awesome after that |
| 20:21.03 | verxion | but in my house we just had them do everything pre-wired |
| 20:21.12 | verxion | so I didn't have any issues like that |
| 20:21.15 | Laraul | HDTV is always in 5.1 but i never hear anything from the rear speakers |
| 20:21.24 | verxion | Laraul: bizarre |
| 20:21.26 | verxion | I do. |
| 20:21.31 | Laraul | Maybe I need to adjust the speakers |
| 20:21.38 | Laraul | I'm talking TV shows |
| 20:21.44 | verxion | though I am one of those weird people that thinks of ALL the speakers, the center channel is most important |
| 20:21.47 | verxion | next being the sub |
| 20:21.49 | verxion | THEN the 4. |
| 20:22.24 | Laraul | i've got athena speakers... which are quite good i understand |
| 20:22.37 | verxion | I bought paradigm atoms |
| 20:22.43 | verxion | in their day, they kicked ass |
| 20:22.46 | verxion | but I bought them years ago |
| 20:22.50 | verxion | nearly a decade ago |
| 20:22.55 | verxion | so lord knows they prolly suck ass now |
| 20:22.56 | verxion | :) |
| 20:23.14 | Zeal | O_o |
| 20:23.19 | Laraul | heh i dunno speakers haven't changed that much |
| 20:23.40 | verxion | you should read the ads more |
| 20:23.45 | verxion | it is just like owning a mac |
| 20:23.46 | Zeal | i have a 32" with 720p, and my 17" monitor, heh. |
| 20:23.47 | verxion | you will see better |
| 20:23.49 | verxion | lose weight |
| 20:23.55 | verxion | you will have better sex drive |
| 20:23.56 | verxion | etc. |
| 20:23.57 | verxion | :) |
| 20:24.06 | Laraul | did you see the mac ad during lost? |
| 20:24.36 | Gryphen | there are lots of mac ads |
| 20:24.36 | verxion | no, I don't watch ads |
| 20:24.40 | verxion | ever |
| 20:24.44 | verxion | not in a web browser |
| 20:24.46 | verxion | not on tv |
| 20:24.46 | Laraul | neither do i but i watched this one |
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| 20:24.53 | winkiller | hi |
| 20:24.55 | Hobinheim|work | my monk idea sucks |
| 20:25.01 | Gryphen | heya |
| 20:25.02 | verxion | Hobinheim|work: rofl, why so? |
| 20:25.26 | verxion | Laraul: did it give you better sex drive? :) |
| 20:25.29 | Zeal | i want rune masters.. but they're too similar to shamans gameplay wise to be possible : / |
| 20:25.36 | Hobinheim|work | it's a hard sell |
| 20:25.42 | Hobinheim|work | and i still wanna know who the alliacen spirit healers are |
| 20:25.44 | Hobinheim|work | humans |
| 20:25.45 | Hobinheim|work | ???? |
| 20:26.03 | Zeal | night elf probs |
| 20:26.05 | Laraul | your just jealous verx |
| 20:26.16 | verxion | Laraul: of one thing I am |
| 20:26.19 | verxion | I have two kids |
| 20:26.20 | Laraul | those adds a freaking funny |
| 20:26.27 | verxion | one is 2 years old |
| 20:26.31 | verxion | and the other is 4 months old |
| 20:26.36 | Laraul | congrats |
| 20:26.38 | verxion | now the ONLY thing cool I have ever seen about a mac |
| 20:26.41 | verxion | is the mag lock |
| 20:26.41 | verxion | :) |
| 20:26.50 | verxion | now THAT is frigging genius imho |
| 20:27.06 | verxion | if/when you have kids, you will appreciate it even more |
| 20:27.43 | Laraul | bleh i have a cat... it's enough for now |
| 20:28.09 | verxion | heheh |
| 20:28.19 | verxion | so - question |
| 20:28.35 | verxion | I have primarily been concentrating on leveling my hunter to 70 since BC came out |
| 20:28.48 | Laraul | ver: you need to understand one thing... you really gotta own a mac to appreciate them |
| 20:28.51 | verxion | what exactly are the requirements for getting a blood elf out of newbie land? |
| 20:29.06 | Laraul | you'd dig applescript trust me |
| 20:29.11 | verxion | Laraul: that could be true. I use them semi frequently here at work and at friends houses |
| 20:29.17 | verxion | they just get in my way |
| 20:29.46 | verxion | and it absolutely PISSES me off that they design macs with the actual design criterion that their users are too stupid to understand more than one mouse button |
| 20:29.50 | Laraul | the macplus... i swear best built computer ever! |
| 20:30.13 | verxion | Laraul: that is true. Mac Pluses make the absolute MOST durable doorstops I have ever seen. EVER! :) |
| 20:30.29 | Gryphen | hehe |
| 20:30.31 | Laraul | ver: um you know... i would agree... except i've tried explaining the concept of using the right mouse button to people |
| 20:30.35 | Laraul | they just don't get it |
| 20:30.39 | verxion | heh |
| 20:30.42 | Laraul | they never will |
| 20:30.52 | verxion | well ever since OS/2 I have worshipped the second mouse button |
| 20:30.57 | Laraul | they'll just use one button... which is good for them |
| 20:30.58 | verxion | I have to say IBM got that right |
| 20:31.09 | verxion | though they likely stole it from Xerox Parc like everyone else did, lol |
| 20:31.20 | Laraul | nice thing about mac is cntrl-click is same as right click |
| 20:31.26 | Laraul | or in WoW command-click |
| 20:31.55 | verxion | the finder just annoys the hell out of me |
| 20:31.59 | Laraul | ironically macs have had better support for mice and such |
| 20:32.06 | Laraul | finder has some problems |
| 20:32.19 | Laraul | expose helps a lot |
| 20:32.23 | verxion | I even installed finder on my xp box for a while trying to get more used to it |
| 20:32.29 | verxion | but I never did |
| 20:32.32 | verxion | oh |
| 20:32.35 | verxion | then I am using the wrong term |
| 20:32.37 | verxion | sorry |
| 20:32.39 | verxion | um |
| 20:32.44 | verxion | the app you use that is like explorer |
| 20:32.48 | verxion | I was thinking it was finder |
| 20:32.52 | verxion | obviously I remembered wrong |
| 20:32.54 | Laraul | i like how vista displays each higher level directory in the address bar of the window |
| 20:32.58 | Laraul | i like that a lot |
| 20:33.07 | verxion | Laraul: well it is nice, but it has one VERY annoying aspect |
| 20:33.13 | verxion | Laraul: the "up arrow" is gone. |
| 20:33.23 | Laraul | i have never noticed |
| 20:33.25 | verxion | ie, you can no longer repeatedly click in a single spot to go up one area |
| 20:33.36 | verxion | they are supposedly patching that back in |
| 20:33.44 | verxion | but I haven't seen it on the MSDN builds yet |
| 20:34.09 | Laraul | macs don't have an up button |
| 20:34.17 | verxion | no no |
| 20:34.19 | verxion | um |
| 20:34.23 | verxion | think of it like this |
| 20:34.23 | Laraul | rather you press command-up |
| 20:34.25 | verxion | it is the button |
| 20:34.26 | verxion | which means |
| 20:34.31 | verxion | "go up to the parent directory" |
| 20:34.34 | verxion | on XP it is an up arrow |
| 20:34.35 | Laraul | yeah i know |
| 20:34.37 | verxion | oh, ok |
| 20:34.58 | verxion | well honestly, if Vista supported command-up (or ctrl-up or whatever) |
| 20:35.01 | verxion | I would be fine |
| 20:35.05 | Hobinheim|work | it's a class that... |
| 20:35.08 | Hobinheim|work | you have an astral self |
| 20:35.12 | verxion | but to my knowledge there is no current way to simply go UP one level |
| 20:35.12 | Hobinheim|work | its a pet |
| 20:35.20 | verxion | without clicking on the breadcrumbs |
| 20:35.22 | Hobinheim|work | am i already losing you |
| 20:35.22 | verxion | which MOVE. |
| 20:35.23 | verxion | :( |
| 20:35.37 | Hobinheim|work | hunters and warlocks have pets. my class. will have a pet. |
| 20:35.57 | Hobinheim|work | you know in like sci fi and fantasy you can astral project. this projection is your pet |
| 20:36.08 | verxion | Hobinheim|work: so like the astral self in Prey |
| 20:36.17 | Laraul | you can customize keyboard shortcuts on a mac too |
| 20:36.29 | verxion | Laraul: well actually I can do that in XP / Vista as well |
| 20:36.33 | verxion | but I do a TON of support |
| 20:36.33 | Laraul | though it takes a bit of work |
| 20:36.37 | Hobinheim|work | not familiar with prey |
| 20:36.42 | verxion | so I teach myself the base OS for the most part |
| 20:36.51 | verxion | Hobinheim|work: it does exactly what you describe |
| 20:36.57 | verxion | Hobinheim|work: it is VERY cool |
| 20:37.07 | verxion | the world even has a different look to it when you astral project |
| 20:37.13 | verxion | and you have different powers and such |
| 20:37.20 | Laraul | i'm gonna go play |
| 20:37.25 | verxion | Laraul: you SUCK |
| 20:37.26 | verxion | I am at work |
| 20:37.29 | verxion | for like another two hours |
| 20:37.30 | verxion | :( |
| 20:37.48 | Laraul | i never play! |
| 20:37.53 | verxion | really? |
| 20:37.54 | Laraul | i'm always doing something else |
| 20:37.56 | verxion | well then go play |
| 20:37.59 | Laraul | like righting an applescript |
| 20:38.01 | Laraul | or something |
| 20:38.06 | Laraul | lol writing |
| 20:38.20 | verxion | heh |
| 20:39.06 | verxion | no one told me yet |
| 20:39.11 | Zeal | verxion, i agree with you on te lakc of the up arrow |
| 20:39.16 | verxion | how do you get a blood elf out of the newbie starting arrow? |
| 20:39.16 | Zeal | it is sorely missed by me :( |
| 20:39.27 | verxion | Zeal: yeah, I am surprised they didn't fix it before RTM |
| 20:39.46 | Zeal | my issue with those breadcrumbs though, are the drop downs |
| 20:39.58 | Zeal | they, imo, are all a directly behind |
| 20:40.08 | verxion | a directly behind? |
| 20:40.10 | verxion | I don't follow you |
| 20:40.17 | Laraul | is there anyway to save your password? |
| 20:40.17 | Zeal | *a directory |
| 20:40.18 | Zeal | sorry |
| 20:40.19 | verxion | or, a directory you mean |
| 20:40.21 | winkiller | is there any use in reporting goldseller-google-adsense? :) |
| 20:40.34 | verxion | Laraul: which? |
| 20:40.40 | Laraul | in wow |
| 20:40.51 | verxion | no |
| 20:40.53 | verxion | just account |
| 20:40.53 | Gryphen | winkiller no |
| 20:40.56 | verxion | which imho is a good thing |
| 20:41.16 | Zeal | basically, if i click on the last directory name, i expect a list of options to change that directly to, so basically, it's siblings. i don't expect a list of child directories, as i already have the list infront of me in the main window. |
| 20:41.18 | winkiller | ok, I just read the ad page and it sounds like "will try to acoid that" |
| 20:41.49 | verxion | Zeal: Again, I agree with you |
| 20:42.01 | Laraul | i just died cuz my keys where not working |
| 20:42.02 | Zeal | thank god, i'm not the only one then :P |
| 20:42.05 | verxion | it was the "directly" that threw me |
| 20:42.06 | verxion | :) |
| 20:42.07 | Laraul | *sigh* |
| 20:42.09 | Zeal | hehe |
| 20:42.14 | Hobinheim|work | who would you say is the most spiritual of all the alliance races |
| 20:42.32 | verxion | Hobinheim|work: rofl. All alliance suck. None of them have ANY spirit |
| 20:42.38 | Hobinheim|work | i want to give my new class to the gomes since they only have four but they're not very hippieish |
| 20:42.39 | verxion | but if I had to choose, it would be night elf |
| 20:42.50 | Hobinheim|work | right, with the whole tree huging thing |
| 20:42.53 | Zeal | hm.. spiritual, Draenei and Night Elves. |
| 20:42.57 | Hobinheim|work | do the gnomes and tauren have ANYTHING in common? |
| 20:43.06 | Zeal | probably Night Elves the most. |
| 20:43.06 | Hobinheim|work | other than being under classed |
| 20:43.19 | winkiller | most made fun of? |
| 20:43.31 | Hobinheim|work | again, hard sell |
| 20:43.35 | Hobinheim|work | even if i worked out all the mechanics |
| 20:43.36 | Zeal | horde, certainly tauren, orcs and trolls coming in noticably behind. |
| 20:43.38 | winkiller | cow jokes/eat gnomes for breakfast :) |
| 20:43.39 | Hobinheim|work | coming up with a story would be a bitch |
| 20:43.55 | Hobinheim|work | unless... |
| 20:44.00 | Hobinheim|work | the classes are called different things |
| 20:44.04 | Hobinheim|work | uhh so difficult |
| 20:44.08 | Hobinheim|work | like same mechanics different names |
| 20:44.15 | Hobinheim|work | i.e the gnomes just INVENTED it |
| 20:44.19 | verxion | well if you think Blizzard is going to take your class idea |
| 20:44.22 | verxion | I hate to tell ya |
| 20:44.25 | Hobinheim|work | lol the gnomes warped to the astral plane by accident |
| 20:44.25 | verxion | but it ain't gonna happen |
| 20:44.26 | verxion | :) |
| 20:44.31 | Hobinheim|work | and then the tauren smoked their way there |
| 20:44.33 | Hobinheim|work | there, i did it |
| 20:44.43 | Hobinheim|work | technology = ganga |
| 20:44.47 | verxion | heheh |
| 20:44.55 | verxion | no one here with a blood elf? |
| 20:45.08 | Laraul | got an addon question |
| 20:45.18 | verxion | Laraul: 42. |
| 20:45.26 | winkiller | verxion: lvl 16 only |
| 20:45.34 | verxion | winkiller: ahh |
| 20:45.44 | verxion | winkiller: you are still in newb land then? |
| 20:45.51 | verxion | I -*THINK*- they intend for us to stay until 20 |
| 20:45.51 | winkiller | tranquilien, yea |
| 20:45.54 | verxion | but I don't remember |
| 20:46.05 | Zeal | if the thermals weren't so bad on WD raptors i'd get one :( |
| 20:46.14 | verxion | eek |
| 20:46.21 | verxion | raptor is about the worst waste of money right now |
| 20:46.28 | verxion | look at vertical storage |
| 20:46.40 | Zeal | hm? |
| 20:46.42 | verxion | and make sure you get 2nd gen - not 1st |
| 20:46.47 | verxion | 1st had thermal issues too |
| 20:46.51 | winkiller | my girlfriend left the 2nd zone at 21 |
| 20:46.54 | winkiller | (with belf) |
| 20:47.13 | Laraul | ugh that is just weird |
| 20:47.14 | Hobinheim|work | coming up with three complete talent trees has to be the most painful thing ever... |
| 20:47.18 | verxion | winkiller: do you have any idea if there is a level req. to leave or if you can simply leave any time? And where is the exit? |
| 20:47.22 | Zeal | lol hob |
| 20:47.44 | winkiller | verxion: just use the orb in silvermoon - usable from level 1 |
| 20:47.53 | winkiller | ports you to above undercity |
| 20:47.53 | verxion | ahh cool |
| 20:48.00 | verxion | thanks muchly |
| 20:48.04 | winkiller | np :) |
| 20:48.10 | Zeal | verxion, what do you mean by verticle storage? :S |
| 20:48.14 | verxion | I have a grand total of 90 minutes of blood elf experience |
| 20:48.19 | verxion | so I didn't figure that bit out yet |
| 20:48.20 | verxion | :) |
| 20:48.24 | verxion | Zeal: oh, sorry |
| 20:48.32 | verxion | it is a term for a new type of hdd storage |
| 20:48.45 | Hobinheim|work | at the West Sanctum, THERE'S A CHEST ON THE ROOF |
| 20:48.49 | verxion | instead of merely linearly storing data in sequencial rings out from the center |
| 20:48.50 | Hobinheim|work | someone needs to tell me HOW TO GET THAT CHEST |
| 20:49.03 | verxion | it stores data vertically, ie, several bits per track position |
| 20:49.08 | Zeal | oh, recall reading that |
| 20:49.10 | verxion | think of it as LAYERS within the platter |
| 20:49.18 | verxion | the thing is |
| 20:49.22 | Zeal | but it was only an improvement to capacity, not performance iirc :s |
| 20:49.25 | verxion | and a lot of people don't seem to realize this yet |
| 20:49.42 | verxion | is that vertical storage makes MORE data go by the head faster |
| 20:49.53 | verxion | so it is sortof like a 7500 rpm disk becomes 10000 rpm |
| 20:49.55 | winkiller | how do I change my signature? anyone got docs for that? |
| 20:50.01 | Zeal | i see |
| 20:50.09 | Zeal | any recommendations? |
| 20:50.21 | verxion | Zeal: well seagate was the initial manufacturer |
| 20:50.28 | verxion | I don't know who else may be making them |
| 20:50.32 | Zeal | preferences> er... raw sign enabled, put your sig in your nickname. |
| 20:50.39 | verxion | but hitachi and seagate are the same company so I would start with those two |
| 20:50.41 | winkiller | ah thanks |
| 20:50.54 | Zeal | kk |
| 20:51.03 | verxion | I honestly haven't looked recently enough to see if wd or maxtor have done them yet |
| 20:51.03 | winkiller | whoa.. profile looks like image gallery, yuck |
| 20:51.16 | Zeal | yes, the css for it fucked |
| 20:51.28 | Zeal | i've generally stuck by maxtor |
| 20:52.04 | Zeal | but my hdd seems to be bottlenecking me, and maxtors have has so many issues with nvidia chipsets : / |
| 20:52.09 | Zeal | *had |
| 20:52.30 | verxion | yeah I have like 3tb of maxtor disk |
| 20:52.33 | verxion | but I do have one wd |
| 20:52.53 | verxion | speaking of which... |
| 20:53.02 | verxion | I recently had a 200gb maxtor drive barf on me |
| 20:53.06 | verxion | I forgot to get my RMA for it |
| 20:53.14 | Zeal | dude.. you're rich right? lol |
| 20:53.19 | verxion | nope |
| 20:53.27 | verxion | I do wedding photography on the side |
| 20:53.37 | verxion | I shoot about 40gb of photos per wedding |
| 20:53.41 | verxion | so I need a TON of storage |
| 20:54.13 | Zeal | home theater with stadium seats, large monitor, current generation hardware being called "old".. lol |
| 20:54.27 | verxion | dude |
| 20:54.40 | verxion | 8800 nvidia hardware is out |
| 20:54.40 | verxion | has BEEN out |
| 20:54.40 | Zeal | i know |
| 20:54.40 | verxion | 7800 -*IS*- old |
| 20:54.49 | verxion | and most certainly NOT current generation |
| 20:54.53 | Zeal | by one generation :P |
| 20:54.59 | verxion | nothing two years old is current generation |
| 20:55.03 | Zeal | i wouldn't call it old |
| 20:55.09 | verxion | no matter what part of technology you are in |
| 20:55.15 | Zeal | i'd call series 8 a quick starter, lol. |
| 20:55.36 | verxion | heh |
| 20:55.44 | Zeal | overdue |
| 20:55.48 | Zeal | ofc |
| 20:55.58 | Zeal | but quick compared to 6,7 etc |
| 20:56.46 | verxion | here |
| 20:56.49 | verxion | let me give you a link |
| 20:57.52 | verxion | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Category=15&N=2010150014+50001305+103530113&Submit=ENE&Manufactory=1305&SubCategory=14 |
| 20:57.57 | verxion | hopefully that works |
| 20:58.11 | verxion | just put "perpendicular" into the "search within these results" box |
| 20:58.19 | verxion | and you should get the vertical storage drives |
| 20:58.20 | Zeal | yeah, jsut looking at benchmarks |
| 20:58.26 | verxion | ahh ok |
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| 20:58.34 | Zeal | and overall, raptors still result in better performance it seems. |
| 20:58.35 | verxion | well just so you know I am not trying to steer you wrong |
| 20:58.39 | verxion | raptor IS the fastest |
| 20:58.46 | verxion | but LOOK at the money per gig |
| 20:58.52 | verxion | do you really think it is worth that?!?? |
| 20:59.05 | Zeal | for the performance - thermals, yes. |
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| 20:59.22 | verxion | your other option is raid |
| 20:59.30 | Zeal | otherwise i'll just be waiting around for solid state.. |
| 20:59.32 | verxion | it is a cheaper way to get better performance than raptors |
| 20:59.41 | Zeal | hardly |
| 20:59.42 | verxion | well the solid state reviews aren't so promising |
| 20:59.49 | verxion | slower than a raptor |
| 20:59.57 | verxion | but they are getting better |
| 21:00.06 | Zeal | as i said, waiting. it's not there yet :p |
| 21:00.11 | verxion | yup |
| 21:00.47 | verxion | here we go |
| 21:00.48 | Zeal | raid has never been worth the trade off to me. |
| 21:00.56 | verxion | orb of translocation in inner sanctum, sunfury spire |
| 21:01.01 | Zeal | hm? |
| 21:01.09 | verxion | oh, different subject |
| 21:01.12 | Zeal | lol |
| 21:01.18 | verxion | sorry, I do that |
| 21:01.18 | Zeal | yeah, i'm wondering what i missed :P |
| 21:01.25 | verxion | typically I have like 10 things going at once, rofl |
| 21:01.33 | verxion | I am currently chatting on four different irc nets |
| 21:01.34 | verxion | :) |
| 21:01.42 | verxion | plus coding and compiling at work |
| 21:01.49 | Zeal | i have 3 up, only chatting here though. |
| 21:01.58 | Zeal | and.. not really doing naything else |
| 21:02.01 | verxion | I have a chat rotation set up |
| 21:02.10 | verxion | so any continuance of a thread of conversation |
| 21:02.13 | verxion | bumps me to that windows |
| 21:02.15 | verxion | er, window |
| 21:02.24 | Zeal | lol |
| 21:03.29 | verxion | Orb of Translocation, Inner Sanctum (49,15) |
| 21:03.30 | verxion | there |
| 21:03.37 | verxion | that is the specific tidbit I had been searching for |
| 21:03.58 | winkiller | Zeal: hm, what format? plain html? seems to be not working. |
| 21:04.03 | Zeal | guess i'll be waiting to see what ati come up with next and be skipping their current generation. |
| 21:04.17 | Zeal | wiki format |
| 21:04.19 | Zeal | heh |
| 21:04.23 | verxion | Zeal: yeah, we will have to see what daamit comes up with |
| 21:04.30 | verxion | I so with AMD had bought nvidia instead |
| 21:04.39 | Zeal | lol |
| 21:04.43 | Zeal | i'mglad they didn't |
| 21:04.43 | verxion | of course then the company wouldn't be daamit |
| 21:04.49 | verxion | I dunno what it would be called |
| 21:04.52 | Zeal | daamit? |
| 21:04.58 | verxion | daamit = amd + ati |
| 21:05.07 | verxion | most people were pissed it was ati and not nvidia |
| 21:05.08 | Zeal | ok.. lol |
| 21:05.10 | verxion | so they coined the term |
| 21:05.12 | verxion | daamit |
| 21:05.44 | Zeal | eg. mine is simply {{SUBST:User:Zeal/SigX}} winkiller |
| 21:06.25 | verxion | mine is {{SUBST:SUBST:SUBST:SUBST:SUBST:SUBST:SUBST:SUBST:SUBST::}} zeal |
| 21:06.31 | Zeal | with User:Zeal/Sig holding my acctual sig through inclusion. |
| 21:06.32 | verxion | and it crashes the server quite nicely |
| 21:06.34 | Zeal | er.. lol |
| 21:06.43 | winkiller | ah thanks |
| 21:06.45 | Zeal | wtf? |
| 21:07.38 | verxion | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.46 | verxion | that is where I get my voidwalker |
| 21:07.46 | verxion | cool |
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| 21:15.15 | Laraul | What does the "Glow Effects" option do exactly? |
| 21:15.18 | verxion | heh |
| 21:15.20 | verxion | well |
| 21:15.26 | verxion | have you ever done ZG? |
| 21:15.40 | verxion | or gotten drunk? |
| 21:15.41 | Laraul | Doubt it |
| 21:15.44 | verxion | (ie, in game) |
| 21:16.00 | verxion | well if you get poisoned by the spider boss in ZG |
| 21:16.00 | Laraul | I don't think so |
| 21:16.09 | verxion | it makes it look like your video card died |
| 21:16.15 | verxion | everything goes all wavy and weird |
| 21:16.25 | verxion | if you turn off glow effect it disables that |
| 21:16.29 | verxion | which I highly recommend |
| 21:16.38 | verxion | but if you don't ever run ZG |
| 21:16.40 | verxion | then no worries |
| 21:16.41 | verxion | :) |
| 21:16.56 | verxion | ZG = Zul'Gurub |
| 21:17.01 | verxion | though I likely spelled it wrong |
| 21:17.05 | verxion | hence the abbreviation |
| 21:17.06 | verxion | :) |
| 21:17.06 | Laraul | okay wait i thought that was causing a performance hit |
| 21:17.16 | verxion | performance hit? |
| 21:17.18 | verxion | no |
| 21:17.23 | Laraul | but it was terrain highlights |
| 21:17.25 | verxion | on both my machines I have EVERYTHING cranked to max |
| 21:17.28 | verxion | 1920x1200 |
| 21:17.32 | verxion | and I get over 100 fps |
| 21:17.42 | verxion | even in a full raid with 40 people |
| 21:17.45 | Laraul | odd no performance hit now |
| 21:17.53 | verxion | terrain highlights? |
| 21:17.55 | verxion | bizarre |
| 21:17.57 | Laraul | lol leave vsync on |
| 21:17.59 | verxion | I dunno even what that does |
| 21:18.06 | verxion | I don't vsync |
| 21:18.07 | verxion | :) |
| 21:18.29 | Laraul | er i've noticed that if you pan the camera it gives the appearence of light refllecting off the ground |
| 21:18.31 | Laraul | why not? |
| 21:18.42 | Laraul | I don't even know how to turn vsync off |
| 21:18.50 | verxion | it is in video options |
| 21:18.52 | verxion | in WoW |
| 21:19.03 | verxion | I don't get any tearing at all |
| 21:19.06 | Laraul | oh there it is |
| 21:19.22 | Laraul | lol that doubled my fps |
| 21:19.24 | verxion | because the monitors I use have a pre-processor that collects the frames |
| 21:19.24 | Laraul | 130 |
| 21:19.31 | verxion | yup |
| 21:19.38 | verxion | if I look just at the ground or sky |
| 21:19.41 | verxion | I get over 200 fps |
| 21:19.44 | verxion | but that doesn't much count |
| 21:19.45 | verxion | rofl |
| 21:19.49 | Laraul | rather have it on |
| 21:19.57 | verxion | to each their own |
| 21:20.02 | verxion | I mean if it causes tearing |
| 21:20.07 | verxion | then I would definitely turn it back on |
| 21:20.10 | Laraul | why would you want it on? |
| 21:20.23 | verxion | vsync exists to prevent tearing |
| 21:20.31 | Laraul | tearing isn't an issue anymore |
| 21:20.48 | verxion | actually it is - it just manifests slightly differently |
| 21:21.03 | Laraul | but with vsync off what happens is that frames are drawn in between refreshes |
| 21:21.14 | Laraul | the result is an occasional dropped frame |
| 21:21.16 | verxion | only if your monitor doesn't collect the frames properly |
| 21:21.41 | Laraul | also a constant fps is more important that a high one |
| 21:22.07 | verxion | I like having a good burst fps |
| 21:22.11 | verxion | deals with lag better |
| 21:22.33 | Laraul | how would it effect latency? |
| 21:22.43 | verxion | no you misunderstand |
| 21:22.47 | verxion | I am talking about catching up |
| 21:22.50 | verxion | so like you have packet loss |
| 21:22.56 | verxion | and then you receive all the saved up packets |
| 21:23.02 | verxion | if you have a fixed fps |
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| 21:23.09 | verxion | you lag MORE than if you have a high burst fps |
| 21:23.24 | verxion | so when the packets arrive, I render them at 150fps or whatever |
| 21:23.25 | Laraul | okay right now... the window is not front most... the result is my framerate drops to 30 |
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| 21:23.29 | verxion | and I clear through them quicker |
| 21:23.32 | verxion | than if I was at 60fps |
| 21:23.38 | Laraul | yet everything still happens at the same speek |
| 21:23.40 | Laraul | speed |
| 21:24.05 | Laraul | do you use direct3d or opengl? |
| 21:24.23 | verxion | I haven't used opengl since it died |
| 21:24.30 | Laraul | ugh |
| 21:24.36 | Laraul | you make me wonder |
| 21:24.39 | verxion | ? |
| 21:24.42 | winkiller | yay, works. thanks Zeal |
| 21:24.46 | verxion | winkiller: cool man |
| 21:24.49 | Laraul | opengl? dead? w/e |
| 21:24.59 | Zeal | heh.. i have everything on max @ 1280x1024. i get around 50fps most of the time, but can vary from 0.2-75. vsync on. |
| 21:24.59 | verxion | Laraul: ever read carmack? |
| 21:24.59 | verxion | rofl |
| 21:25.04 | Laraul | nope |
| 21:25.11 | verxion | well perhaps you should sometime |
| 21:25.19 | verxion | he was -*THE*- opengl evangelist |
| 21:25.23 | verxion | frigging worshipped it |
| 21:25.24 | equiraptor | OpenGL's definitely not completely dead. |
| 21:25.29 | verxion | he made the switch |
| 21:25.32 | equiraptor | It may be dead on Windows, but... |
| 21:25.39 | verxion | equiraptor: opengl has gone back to what it used to be for - cad |
| 21:25.41 | Laraul | lol he did? are you so sure? |
| 21:25.42 | verxion | it is no longer for games |
| 21:25.51 | Laraul | there is one serious problem with direct3d |
| 21:25.56 | equiraptor | And yet it's still used for games. |
| 21:25.57 | verxion | Laraul: yes, that is why he now has a seat on the direct3d design board. :) |
| 21:25.59 | equiraptor | On other platforms. |
| 21:26.01 | Zeal | i really need to build a new pc, before i forget how to.. |
| 21:26.05 | Laraul | it's limited ti two platforms |
| 21:26.11 | verxion | equiraptor: such as Linux, where there is no other option |
| 21:26.20 | Laraul | he's had a seat on that board for years |
| 21:26.44 | verxion | Laraul: indeed. When he first took the seat he said "if I have to support direct3d I might as well try to make sure it sucks less" |
| 21:26.55 | verxion | but he has done a 180 |
| 21:27.15 | Laraul | the only reason why direct3d is popular on windows is because that's the most commonly use 3D api on that platform |
| 21:27.25 | verxion | well let's face it man |
| 21:27.31 | verxion | direct3d isn't going to make it on the mac |
| 21:27.32 | verxion | or linux |
| 21:27.35 | verxion | or freebsd |
| 21:27.44 | verxion | so I am in no way trying to say that direct3d is taking over the world |
| 21:27.48 | verxion | but opengl has been dying |
| 21:27.49 | Laraul | lol MS started porting direct3d to the mac |
| 21:27.52 | verxion | they don't keep up |
| 21:28.06 | verxion | Laraul: but do you expect direct3d to EVER take over on the mac? |
| 21:28.08 | verxion | I don't. |
| 21:28.11 | Laraul | lol really? opengl is an open standard |
| 21:28.15 | verxion | yes, open |
| 21:28.17 | verxion | and S L O W |
| 21:28.28 | verxion | equiraptor: bsd ain't dying man |
| 21:28.34 | verxion | not in the foreseeable future at least |
| 21:28.36 | Laraul | read up on opengl |
| 21:28.36 | equiraptor | And yet so many people say it is. |
| 21:28.45 | equiraptor | I dare say the same is the case for OpenGL and you. |
| 21:28.46 | verxion | equiraptor: those people are simply wrong |
| 21:28.53 | equiraptor | You can say it's dying all you want. That doesn't make it so. |
| 21:29.00 | verxion | equiraptor: I need to clarify |
| 21:29.02 | Laraul | it's not dying |
| 21:29.09 | verxion | opengl in my opinion has a long life in cad circles |
| 21:29.14 | verxion | probably forever for the most part |
| 21:29.20 | equiraptor | And on everything except Windows, most likely. |
| 21:29.27 | verxion | it does everything it needs to for rendering |
| 21:29.29 | Laraul | lol d3d is a gaming api |
| 21:29.32 | equiraptor | Unless something else comes along. |
| 21:29.51 | verxion | but direct3d is advancing fast enough that the mac is going to have to adopt something LIKE it (which is NOT opengl) to keep up |
| 21:30.06 | verxion | so when I say opengl is dying |
| 21:30.12 | verxion | I do NOT mean what it sound s like |
| 21:30.13 | equiraptor | I dunno. |
| 21:30.17 | verxion | which is bad phrasing on my part |
| 21:30.21 | equiraptor | KHTML sucked before Apple got their hands on it. |
| 21:30.23 | Laraul | direct3d is a proprietary microsoft technology |
| 21:30.35 | Zeal | when memory needs active cooling, i worry.. |
| 21:30.36 | equiraptor | Apple's already put some work into OpenGL. They could probably do a lot of good with it. |
| 21:30.38 | verxion | what I mean is that it is no longer going to be able to keep up with cutting edge |
| 21:30.46 | verxion | ok |
| 21:30.49 | verxion | let me be clear |
| 21:30.50 | verxion | M$ is evil |
| 21:30.52 | Laraul | Apple started it all with RAVE |
| 21:30.53 | verxion | have no doubt |
| 21:30.54 | verxion | they are |
| 21:31.00 | verxion | Apple -*WILL*- do good with opengl |
| 21:31.04 | verxion | of that I have ZERO doubt |
| 21:31.07 | bleetah | nVidia have too much investied in OpenGL to let it die.. same with Sun |
| 21:32.27 | Laraul | i wonder if DX10 will become popular... |
| 21:32.35 | Laraul | It's Vista only |
| 21:32.42 | verxion | Laraul: M$ is doing everything they can to force that issue |
| 21:32.43 | verxion | bastards |
| 21:32.53 | equiraptor | The Vanguard people I know think DX10 is THE AWESOMEST THING EVA! |
| 21:32.59 | Laraul | I prefer consoles over PCs for gaming |
| 21:33.09 | Laraul | No console supports DX10 |
| 21:33.11 | verxion | equiraptor: hrm |
| 21:33.14 | verxion | I should read up on that then |
| 21:33.33 | equiraptor | Apparently it allows for a rendering type that 9 doesn't, that allows Vanguard to look just that much better. |
| 21:33.55 | Laraul | it's a different approach to rendering |
| 21:34.15 | Laraul | still... without console support... |
| 21:34.20 | Zeal | i prefer whichever one best facilitates a gamining genre on the platform. eg. i'd never play an fps or strategy game on console, but i'd never want to play a platformer or driving gaming on a pc. |
| 21:34.47 | equiraptor | I have more fun with driving games on the PC. |
| 21:34.50 | Laraul | i dunno... i don't care much for FPS games on the PC |
| 21:34.56 | Laraul | Not anymore |
| 21:35.03 | equiraptor | Then again, the driving games I like best most people seem to not like. |
| 21:35.28 | Zeal | well you can't aim properly in an fps using the console's default input. |
| 21:35.49 | Zeal | the wii is the exception now ofc |
| 21:36.04 | Zeal | but strat i'd never play on the console still. |
| 21:36.13 | Laraul | i hope console fps's lead to some inovations |
| 21:36.30 | Laraul | i'd like a way to auto lock on a target... like in metroid prime |
| 21:37.08 | Zeal | i'd rather place ssx or soemthing on an arcade machine built for it than on a console for example :P |
| 21:37.12 | Zeal | *play ssx |
| 21:38.20 | Zeal | auto-aim features are not innovative, they just take away the work and level of ability of the player, replacing it with automated features to make up for a poor control system. |
| 21:38.33 | verxion | yeah, auto aim is NOT fps to me |
| 21:38.41 | verxion | auto aim = arcade wimpyness |
| 21:38.58 | Laraul | k how do i keep my durability up? it drops so fast |
| 21:38.59 | Zeal | it's like playing a driving game with having the gears set to auto. i do that, but i'd rather not have to tbh :p |
| 21:39.17 | verxion | Laraul: repair from a sword or armor merchant |
| 21:39.17 | Zeal | don't die? don't get hit so much? :S |
| 21:39.26 | verxion | but if you have a level less than 10 |
| 21:39.29 | verxion | don't bother repairing |
| 21:39.36 | verxion | you will throw away your equipment anyway |
| 21:39.43 | verxion | what class are you playing? |
| 21:39.47 | Zeal | indeed, i didn't repair until levle 22 :p |
| 21:39.55 | Laraul | it's not easy to avoid being hit when your meleeing |
| 21:40.05 | Zeal | it is, kill faster ;) |
| 21:40.15 | equiraptor | dodge more. |
| 21:40.29 | verxion | dodge = less rage |
| 21:40.33 | verxion | if warrior that is |
| 21:40.46 | verxion | which can be a careful balance |
| 21:40.56 | equiraptor | And less durability loss. You didn't ask how to get more rage. :-P |
| 21:40.59 | Zeal | aye |
| 21:41.02 | verxion | equiraptor: rofl |
| 21:41.09 | verxion | Laraul: I ask again - what class? |
| 21:41.15 | verxion | warrior/pally/rogue? |
| 21:41.16 | Laraul | druid |
| 21:41.19 | verxion | ahh, druid |
| 21:41.26 | verxion | what level? |
| 21:41.30 | Laraul | heh 25 |
| 21:41.47 | verxion | hrm |
| 21:41.57 | verxion | then you shouldn't be having any real durability issues |
| 21:42.37 | Laraul | durability is down to 4% |
| 21:42.50 | equiraptor | When did you last repair? |
| 21:42.57 | Laraul | i dunno not that long |
| 21:43.03 | verxion | ohhhh |
| 21:43.06 | verxion | hehe |
| 21:43.06 | equiraptor | Have you died a lot? |
| 21:43.10 | verxion | let me ask a question |
| 21:43.13 | Laraul | sorta |
| 21:43.13 | Zeal | anyone else noticed nvidia's focus has switched to supporting intel chips instead of amd since ati+amd? ;) |
| 21:43.14 | verxion | did you spirit rez? |
| 21:43.26 | verxion | Zeal: what would you EXPECT man?!?!? :) |
| 21:43.31 | Zeal | lol |
| 21:43.39 | Laraul | no |
| 21:43.43 | equiraptor | Every time you die, it's 10% durability loss. If you spirit rez, I think that's another 25%... Though I could be wrong on the percent. |
| 21:43.51 | Laraul | i don't spirit res much at all |
| 21:43.53 | verxion | Laraul: well still, you lose like 10% durability with each death |
| 21:44.01 | verxion | well when you fall off of outland |
| 21:44.05 | verxion | you don't get much choice |
| 21:44.05 | verxion | :) |
| 21:44.26 | Zeal | you should. thought they placed the bodies on land? |
| 21:44.54 | verxion | nope |
| 21:44.57 | verxion | unless they patched it |
| 21:45.01 | Zeal | btw, is there an invisable wall around outland or do you get fatigue while flying? :p |
| 21:45.04 | verxion | at release, it placed them down below |
| 21:45.09 | verxion | fatigue |
| 21:45.10 | Zeal | well that's what they said they'd do :s |
| 21:45.16 | verxion | Zeal: hehe |
| 21:45.19 | Laraul | it's been at 4% for sometime now |
| 21:45.24 | equiraptor | I fell off outlands and was able to rez at my corpse. |
| 21:45.26 | verxion | I know because my guild master died by falling |
| 21:45.30 | verxion | and then tried to get his corpse |
| 21:45.33 | Laraul | damn you level fast |
| 21:45.33 | verxion | and died by falling again |
| 21:45.34 | verxion | twice |
| 21:45.46 | Laraul | already 50% exp |
| 21:45.56 | bleetah | Zeal: yeah, I saw that (re: AMD/ATI + Intel/nVidia).. it'll be interesting to see what happens, as all the Sun gear is AMD/nVidia.. quite a few other heavy *nix vendors are similarly configured, too |
| 21:45.59 | verxion | equiraptor: well I was there with my guildmaster |
| 21:46.02 | verxion | there was NO corpse to loot |
| 21:46.06 | Zeal | guess it beats falling under the wolrd and travelling from one side of eatern kingdom's to the other ;) |
| 21:46.33 | verxion | well in EQ phase 1 beta you were given a command to set your Z value when you "fell through the world" |
| 21:46.33 | Zeal | didn't know that bleetah :o |
| 21:46.39 | bleetah | nVidia are also hiring Solaris/AMD engineers, anyways |
| 21:46.44 | verxion | something like "/z_loc=10,000" |
| 21:46.45 | Laraul | of course 2.9 hrs to level? |
| 21:46.52 | bleetah | yeah, all their lowend workstations are AMD/nVidia machines |
| 21:47.14 | Zeal | well i found, i could stop myself whenever i passed under a body of liquid. |
| 21:47.18 | Zeal | magma, water etc |
| 21:47.28 | Zeal | it switched to swimming instead of falling, lol |
| 21:47.30 | verxion | Zeal: stop yourself? |
| 21:47.37 | verxion | oh, rofl |
| 21:47.39 | verxion | never noticed that |
| 21:47.57 | Zeal | i never hit bottom to die.. |
| 21:48.01 | verxion | well |
| 21:48.02 | Zeal | think eventually i relogged |
| 21:48.10 | verxion | if what you mean is that you don't die from falling into water |
| 21:48.11 | Zeal | had to spirit rez |
| 21:48.11 | verxion | that is true |
| 21:48.22 | verxion | but I still fall down to the water |
| 21:49.02 | Zeal | no.. basically what happened was, i was doing the usual exploring, decided to jump off the unused Iron Forge entrance from wetlands |
| 21:49.12 | Zeal | you fall for a bit then die. |
| 21:49.40 | Zeal | so i decided to try and rez down there.. except a a spirit, you just keep falling |
| 21:49.40 | Zeal | and i kept falling for hours.. |
| 21:49.40 | Laraul | my keyboard is acting up |
| 21:49.46 | Zeal | *as a |
| 21:50.02 | Laraul | maybe cuz i'm switching between this and the game so much |
| 21:50.03 | Zeal | eventually i hit the magma outside BRM :p |
| 21:50.36 | verxion | Laraul: mac issue likely |
| 21:50.46 | Zeal | then moved onto redridge lake. then elwyn forest, eventually i just decided to float off towards wetlands |
| 21:50.50 | Zeal | thne logged off |
| 21:51.17 | verxion | well something I like in guildwars is |
| 21:51.20 | Zeal | actually.. now i rememder, killed my spirit with fatigue |
| 21:51.20 | verxion | you can type /stuck |
| 21:51.26 | verxion | and pretty much 100% of the time |
| 21:51.29 | verxion | it fixes any such issue |
| 21:51.34 | Zeal | lol |
| 21:51.52 | verxion | same command in City of Heroes too |
| 21:52.01 | verxion | and it works there as well |
| 21:52.07 | Zeal | by accident i reached an edge to kalimdor as a spirit. |
| 21:52.13 | verxion | heh |
| 21:52.29 | Zeal | they really need to add further water north of teldrassil, heh. |
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| 21:52.34 | Laraul | is it faster to level in a pt? |
| 21:52.56 | Zeal | depends what you're doing, but yeah. |
| 21:53.21 | Zeal | bonus xp, but shared, but you kill mobs faster and get quests doen quicker, so you lvl quicker overall. |
| 21:53.42 | verxion | pt? |
| 21:53.42 | Zeal | but you have to share loot too ;) |
| 21:53.46 | verxion | party? |
| 21:53.48 | Zeal | party i assumed |
| 21:54.05 | verxion | instance running is a good way to level if you are sucking at dps |
| 21:54.09 | verxion | but if you are good at dpsing |
| 21:54.21 | verxion | then imho there is no faster way to level than grinding UNTIL you hit outlands |
| 21:54.29 | verxion | the quests in outlands are quite nice for leveling |
| 21:54.33 | verxion | at least imho |
| 21:56.08 | verxion | with my hunter, from level 40 to 60 I got a VERY consistant 40k exp per hour |
| 21:56.21 | verxion | and I couldn't find any way to do better than that |
| 21:56.40 | verxion | I wish I had figured out how to optimize my exp/hour before I hit 40 |
| 21:56.51 | Laraul | bleh i need a break |
| 21:57.03 | verxion | Laraul: yeah, you have been playing for what, ten whole minutes now? |
| 21:57.37 | Laraul | well i dunno but i just checked on my chocobo in ffxi... need to tend to that... then i'll get back |
| 21:57.46 | verxion | rofl |
| 21:57.46 | Laraul | solo is kind of dull btw |
| 21:57.53 | verxion | is it? |
| 21:57.55 | Laraul | yeah laugh now! |
| 21:58.01 | Laraul | i find it dull |
| 21:58.06 | verxion | well |
| 21:58.10 | verxion | this is just my assessment |
| 21:58.14 | verxion | so bear that in mind |
| 21:58.22 | verxion | WoW is EXTREMELY anti group |
| 21:58.32 | verxion | the entire design penalizes you for grouping while leveling |
| 21:58.33 | Laraul | it is uh oh |
| 21:58.45 | verxion | once you hit 60 in the pre expansion world though |
| 21:58.49 | Laraul | yeah but screw leveling |
| 21:58.55 | verxion | THEN you are absolutely REQUIRED to group to advance |
| 21:59.03 | verxion | this is my biggest complaint about WoW |
| 22:00.02 | verxion | it wouldn't upset me as much if I hadn't played City of Heroes so much |
| 22:00.11 | verxion | now THAT game - it encourages the hell out of you to group |
| 22:00.25 | verxion | they have every single conceivable benefit to grouping |
| 22:00.38 | Laraul | well in FFXI... after level 10... you need a party to advance... well not need but without a party it's gonna be slow |
| 22:00.44 | verxion | for instance, if I am level 49 and my friend bought the game today, he could group with me on MY quests |
| 22:00.47 | verxion | OR |
| 22:00.52 | verxion | I could group with him on HIS quests |
| 22:00.55 | verxion | with my level 49 |
| 22:00.58 | verxion | and either way we did it |
| 22:00.59 | Laraul | and your pt levels must be in a narrow range |
| 22:01.04 | verxion | we would BOTH advance our characters |
| 22:01.22 | Laraul | like if your 15, losest pt member might be 14 and highest 17 |
| 22:01.27 | verxion | so level means NOTHING in City of Heroes when it comes to making a party |
| 22:01.37 | verxion | a level 1 can easily group with a 50 |
| 22:01.43 | verxion | yeah, in WoW it is the same way |
| 22:01.47 | verxion | I had a level 1 character |
| 22:01.55 | verxion | and couldn't get ANY experience with my level 3 friends |
| 22:02.00 | verxion | they hit level 4, then 5, then SIX |
| 22:02.03 | verxion | I was still level 1 |
| 22:02.03 | Laraul | the thing is though... you get exp while doing instances and such |
| 22:02.07 | verxion | and we did everything together |
| 22:02.21 | verxion | yeah, instances gives you exp |
| 22:02.27 | Zeal | verxion. the key word here is "could" i don't want a game that forces me to group and penalizes me for not. |
| 22:02.28 | verxion | just majorly crippled exp compared to soloing |
| 22:02.33 | Zeal | that's what wow end game is.. |
| 22:02.42 | verxion | Zeal: I agree |
| 22:03.01 | Laraul | ffxi forces you to group |
| 22:03.16 | Laraul | and you don't earn exp for doing missions and such |
| 22:03.23 | Zeal | i don't find wow penalizes me for parying though. |
| 22:03.35 | Zeal | *partying |
| 22:03.47 | verxion | well you can parry or dodge without penalty that is true |
| 22:03.48 | Laraul | i agree with zeal.. just i don't know how to get a pt |
| 22:03.56 | verxion | Laraul: get a guild |
| 22:04.00 | Laraul | i have a guild |
| 22:04.03 | Zeal | lol |
| 22:04.07 | Laraul | but i don't know what to ask |
| 22:04.09 | Zeal | get a guild who help :P |
| 22:04.12 | Zeal | lol |
| 22:04.33 | verxion | yeah |
| 22:04.36 | verxion | well try |
| 22:04.46 | Zeal | basically, if you see someone killing the same mobs as you or might beo n the same quest, just aski thme if they want to party. |
| 22:04.46 | Laraul | FFXI has a story! Which is nice |
| 22:04.53 | Laraul | It has several storys |
| 22:05.02 | verxion | "I am a level 22 druid and I keep dying continuously and my durability is 4%. I would like someone to party with to help me get enough experience to be level 70." |
| 22:05.26 | Zeal | i've partied with many people, very very rarely do i ever meet someone i'd want to party with again ;) |
| 22:05.29 | verxion | well WoW has a story too |
| 22:05.34 | Laraul | lol |
| 22:05.49 | verxion | Laraul: see the thing is, if ANYONE groups with you after you say that in guild chat |
| 22:05.56 | Laraul | I dunno... I don't see all that many cutscenes and such ^^ |
| 22:05.57 | verxion | actually, if they don't kick you out of the guild |
| 22:06.02 | verxion | then you found some good people to group with |
| 22:06.13 | Laraul | i'll try |
| 22:06.13 | Zeal | yeah.. that sounds more like someone saying "gief god plx" |
| 22:06.17 | verxion | Laraul: story requires cutscenes? I had no idea |
| 22:06.28 | Zeal | *gold |
| 22:06.29 | Zeal | lol |
| 22:06.34 | verxion | rofl |
| 22:06.35 | Laraul | i got into that guild just by /shouting "hey! i need a guild!" |
| 22:06.40 | verxion | well |
| 22:06.43 | verxion | just as an fyi |
| 22:06.48 | Zeal | story telling requires cutscenes to be memorable verxion ;) |
| 22:06.53 | verxion | if the admission requirement for a guild is being a warm body |
| 22:06.59 | verxion | then you need to find a differnt guild |
| 22:07.00 | verxion | :) |
| 22:07.12 | verxion | Zeal: I remember looking through shit for keys |
| 22:07.16 | verxion | that was a VERY memorable quest |
| 22:07.17 | verxion | :) |
| 22:07.20 | Zeal | haha |
| 22:07.31 | verxion | I bet most anyone that did will agree it was memorable |
| 22:07.34 | verxion | and it had NO cutscene |
| 22:07.35 | verxion | :) |
| 22:07.48 | Zeal | fuck knows what happened in wc3 most of the time, but i do remember all the cinematics vividly |
| 22:07.51 | Laraul | when i told my ls i got the expansion to WoW... they were like "oh you heretic!" |
| 22:08.00 | verxion | ls? |
| 22:08.01 | Zeal | maybe it's just me and my awful memeory. |
| 22:08.22 | Laraul | linkshell... equivalent to a guild |
| 22:08.24 | verxion | Zeal: no one has worse memory than me |
| 22:08.28 | verxion | Laraul: ahh, cool |
| 22:08.35 | Zeal | haha, i beg to differ :P |
| 22:08.40 | verxion | Laraul: what does FFXXIIIII cost per month? |
| 22:09.01 | verxion | (I couldn't remember the number of X's and I's so I made sure I included enough. :) |
| 22:09.07 | Laraul | i got into an argument with this Japanese player about WoW vs. FFXI |
| 22:09.20 | Laraul | I think WoW is for the most part a better mmo |
| 22:09.26 | Laraul | But he's like "too easy" |
| 22:09.27 | verxion | well Laraul |
| 22:09.32 | verxion | I have a friend that quit WoW |
| 22:09.41 | verxion | he still thinks it is the best MMO that was ever made |
| 22:09.46 | Laraul | I'm like FFXI is a bitch to level up! |
| 22:09.46 | verxion | he made a super good point to me |
| 22:10.06 | verxion | he said that WoW doesn't do everything better than any other MMO |
| 22:10.11 | verxion | but it does MORE of what it does right |
| 22:10.15 | verxion | than any other MMO |
| 22:10.19 | verxion | and I tend to agree with him |
| 22:10.29 | verxion | I think that is a VERY astute assessment of the game |
| 22:10.31 | Laraul | I wish i could use a controler with WoW |
| 22:10.41 | verxion | well let's face it |
| 22:10.46 | Laraul | That's how I play FFXI |
| 22:10.48 | verxion | it isn't designed as a console MMO |
| 22:10.51 | verxion | or console game |
| 22:11.01 | Laraul | Yeah i know... where as FFXI is just the opposite |
| 22:11.02 | verxion | Laraul: I am unaware of ANY controller with the number of keys I use all the time in WoW |
| 22:11.09 | verxion | I probably use like half the keyboard on a regular basis |
| 22:11.31 | verxion | I mean just the act of TALKING in FFXI would probably drive me nuts |
| 22:11.37 | Laraul | No... but you'd be surprised just how much you can do with one controller in FFXI |
| 22:11.37 | verxion | I mean no keyboard. . . . |
| 22:11.50 | verxion | Laraul: I actually agree - I think I -*WOULD*- be surprised |
| 22:12.15 | Laraul | The thing is... a controller fits right in your hand. You can sit back and play |
| 22:12.20 | verxion | yeah |
| 22:12.30 | verxion | but I often have a kid on each knee while I play |
| 22:12.40 | Laraul | With a keyboard and mouse... you have to have one hand on the keyboard and another on the mouse |
| 22:12.41 | verxion | if I had a controller it would be harder to keep them from wanting to play with it |
| 22:12.45 | verxion | :) |
| 22:12.47 | verxion | um no |
| 22:12.54 | verxion | I play about 1/2 the time with just the mouse |
| 22:12.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Gryphen, rawr |
| 22:13.07 | Gryphen | rar |
| 22:13.11 | Kirkburn|afk | zip! |
| 22:13.19 | Kirkburn|afk | So anyway, I noticed your new sig :P |
| 22:13.21 | Gryphen | 7z |
| 22:13.28 | Kirkburn|afk | tar |
| 22:13.31 | Gryphen | look familar? :D |
| 22:13.34 | Laraul | But you use just one hand for the mouse... and it lies flat on the table/desk. You can't pick it up and hold it like a controller |
| 22:13.37 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 22:13.58 | verxion | Laraul: well the controller can't be placed into a toilet and flushed and still used to play the game |
| 22:14.03 | verxion | does that mean it is a bad form of control? |
| 22:14.04 | verxion | no. |
| 22:14.09 | Gryphen | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User:Gryphon/Sig&action=history |
| 22:14.14 | Gryphen | (Yoink, sig stealin!) |
| 22:14.15 | Gryphen | har |
| 22:14.26 | Laraul | you lost me with that comment |
| 22:14.35 | verxion | heh |
| 22:14.40 | verxion | let me make the comment slower |
| 22:14.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Nice, Gryph :) |
| 22:14.49 | verxion | if I take a controller like you use for ffxi |
| 22:14.53 | verxion | and I flush it down the toilet |
| 22:14.59 | verxion | so that it isn't even visible |
| 22:15.06 | verxion | can I use the controller to play ffxi? |
| 22:15.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Mind control, man! |
| 22:15.23 | verxion | Kirkburn|afk: :) |
| 22:15.33 | Laraul | can't you flush a mouse down a toilet? |
| 22:15.42 | verxion | I asked you a question |
| 22:15.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Not one the size of my mouse :P |
| 22:15.45 | verxion | and I await your response |
| 22:15.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Play nice |
| 22:16.13 | verxion | could you still play ffxi or not? |
| 22:16.25 | Laraul | did you take a look at the video i refrenced to? |
| 22:16.46 | verxion | http://homepage.mac.com/mestinkbad/.Movies/sam.head.af.bcnm.wmv |
| 22:16.50 | verxion | or something else? |
| 22:16.52 | Laraul | yeah |
| 22:17.04 | verxion | I watched a short portion of it |
| 22:17.06 | verxion | but I am at work |
| 22:17.11 | verxion | so I can't just watch videos here |
| 22:17.12 | verxion | :) |
| 22:17.17 | Laraul | it's only 2 minutes long |
| 22:17.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Different types of games, different needs |
| 22:17.47 | verxion | well watching video at ones desk is potentially a firing offense |
| 22:17.58 | verxion | regardless of whether it is 1/2 second long |
| 22:17.58 | verxion | or 30 minutes long |
| 22:18.01 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk ! |
| 22:18.19 | verxion | you still haven't answered my question |
| 22:18.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Uh, er, afk |
| 22:18.25 | verxion | would you still be able to play ffxi? |
| 22:18.30 | verxion | with THAT controller |
| 22:18.47 | Kirkburn|afk | I really have no idea where you're going with this ... |
| 22:18.51 | Laraul | Here is another video of me as a totally different job... http://homepage.mac.com/mestinkbad/.Movies/ouryu.fight.imcomplete.avi |
| 22:18.53 | Kirkburn|afk | What have I missed? |
| 22:19.35 | verxion | Kirkburn|afk: mainly what you have missed is laraul not being able to type one of either "yes" or "no" |
| 22:19.46 | Laraul | huh |
| 22:19.46 | Kirkburn|afk | No, I see you asking a silly question |
| 22:19.59 | verxion | well I answered the question for him the first time |
| 22:20.12 | verxion | and the analogy was lost |
| 22:20.16 | verxion | so I am trying to go slower this time |
| 22:20.16 | Laraul | well someone else look at the video! |
| 22:20.17 | verxion | :) |
| 22:20.19 | Laraul | I don't care |
| 22:20.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, oh btw, I'm coming around to your groups idea btw |
| 22:20.30 | Laraul | It's there see it when ever you wish |
| 22:20.57 | Zeal | verxion, i've not had much experience with other mmo's (moostly because i don't think the genre as at a point i can enjoy), but from what i can gather, WoW has taken was is known to be successful, and changed what is known not to be successful, and thrown an excellent learning curve on it all. Thus i agree with your friends assesement on it, but i'd further add that it's also because it is the most widely accessable (not easy) |
| 22:21.03 | Zeal | let alone MMO |
| 22:21.24 | Zeal | glad to hear Kirkburn|afk ;) |
| 22:21.29 | Laraul | what bugs me about WoW is the damn key binding |
| 22:21.54 | Zeal | yes.. i hate the key bindingm enu |
| 22:21.57 | Zeal | *menu |
| 22:21.59 | Kirkburn|afk | The Article Council and Engineers look good to me |
| 22:22.17 | Zeal | and i absolutely hate that print screen is not a bindable button.. |
| 22:22.30 | Zeal | i want the default to hide the ui when i do it :( |
| 22:22.43 | Laraul | I think it is on the mac i'm not sure |
| 22:22.47 | Zeal | cool, glad you like |
| 22:22.58 | Laraul | it appears as F13 not printscreen |
| 22:23.59 | Zeal | weird :s |
| 22:24.43 | Laraul | FFXI get's away with using the limited number of buttons on the controller by assigning more than one function to some buttons |
| 22:24.53 | Laraul | I wish I could do the same in WoW |
| 22:25.18 | Zeal | damn you shuttle.. |
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| 22:25.31 | Zeal | want a god damn am2 ati chipetset shuttle ;_; |
| 22:26.15 | Zeal | and because of that FFXI is easy to exploit and cheat with from what i've heard Laraul ;) |
| 22:26.23 | Laraul | heh the framerate in ffxi is capped to 29.7 fps or so |
| 22:26.27 | Zeal | i'm glad, and udnerstand, why blizzard do it the way they do. |
| 22:26.59 | Laraul | on the xbox the framerate can get very bad |
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| 22:27.21 | Zeal | meh, i like my eye candy |
| 22:27.42 | Zeal | when i'm consistantly below 30, i sacrafice :P |
| 22:28.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, btw, the Delete templates are broken |
| 22:28.26 | Kirkburn|afk | You can't subst them properly |
| 22:28.33 | verxion | laraul: I have context sensitive buttons in WoW |
| 22:28.35 | Kirkburn|afk | The ~~~~ do not <nowiki> well |
| 22:28.36 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, btw, they're not ;) |
| 22:28.38 | *** join/#wowwiki amro_ (n=amro@82.101.184.158) |
| 22:28.40 | verxion | you just have to write an addon for it to work |
| 22:28.43 | Kirkburn|afk | They damn well are, I tested it |
| 22:28.54 | Zeal | i honestly have no idea what happened there. but i tested, and worked fine :s |
| 22:29.00 | Laraul | yeah i have an idea how to create them but ugh the work involved |
| 22:29.09 | Kirkburn|afk | When I substed them, it replaced ~~~~ with my sig |
| 22:29.14 | Zeal | ofc |
| 22:29.19 | Zeal | if you mean the vote |
| 22:29.20 | Kirkburn|afk | In the commented out code! |
| 22:29.26 | Zeal | yeah, i noticed |
| 22:29.36 | Kirkburn|afk | *That's* broken |
| 22:29.59 | Kirkburn|afk | S'why Mikk split them originally into ~~ ~~ |
| 22:30.39 | verxion | welp |
| 22:30.41 | verxion | time to head home |
| 22:30.43 | verxion | see y'all |
| 22:30.47 | Laraul | see you |
| 22:30.55 | verxion | I shall level my warlock!!! |
| 22:30.58 | Laraul | god i feel exhaused |
| 22:30.58 | verxion | wootentagen |
| 22:31.05 | Laraul | what servers are you all on anyhow? |
| 22:32.28 | Zeal | well i think theres soemthing more fowl at play |
| 22:32.45 | Zeal | when i view the source the comments aren't even there. |
| 22:33.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal,. okay made some changes now |
| 22:33.08 | Kirkburn|afk | (to the teams) |
| 22:33.30 | Zeal | will look in a sec |
| 22:33.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Basically, taken your stuff, but put categories in with article council |
| 22:33.48 | Zeal | hm.. |
| 22:33.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Categories can be botted |
| 22:34.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Too small for a team :P |
| 22:34.25 | Zeal | why the hell do they not even show up in the source.. |
| 22:34.35 | Zeal | they onyl show when editing the wiki |
| 22:34.36 | Laraul | hmm |
| 22:34.37 | Kirkburn|afk | What's that? |
| 22:34.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh right |
| 22:34.52 | Laraul | How on alla can you link to "your characters" page? |
| 22:34.57 | Zeal | got a feeling, html comments, in the wiki, are converted to "wiki comments" |
| 22:35.19 | Zeal | and nowiki does not work inside "wiki comments" |
| 22:35.39 | Zeal | once again.. mediawiki fails >_> |
| 22:35.48 | Kirkburn|afk | indeed |
| 22:36.03 | Laraul | FFXI wiki works rather well... better then WoWWiki |
| 22:36.21 | Laraul | WoWWiki is just well... in need of some touch up |
| 22:37.18 | Laraul | See here is a guide to raising a chocobo... http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Chocobo_Raising_Guide |
| 22:37.30 | Laraul | which i'm attempting to use right now |
| 22:37.54 | Kirkburn|afk | We survive :) |
| 22:38.54 | Zeal | ok, well gunna try the method used in the new section template.. |
| 22:39.13 | Zeal | wait.. that'll onyl work the first time : / |
| 22:40.11 | Laraul | what page are you trying to update/write/whatever |
| 22:43.45 | Laraul | bah dumb bird |
| 22:44.21 | Zeal | {{Delete/Talk}} |
| 22:44.45 | Zeal | and tbh, that page is ugly, though better than wikipedia or wowwiki. |
| 22:45.11 | Zeal | mainly cos it doesn't contain the type of content they deal with mostly |
| 22:45.44 | Kirkburn|afk | This makes me laugh: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/02/09/wow-on-iphone/ |
| 22:49.15 | Zeal | lol |
| 22:49.29 | Laraul | playing two MMOs at once is straining... |
| 22:49.33 | Zeal | ok, fixed those temaplates Kirkburn|afk |
| 22:49.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Thanks |
| 22:50.13 | Laraul | lol wow on iphone |
| 22:50.22 | Kirkburn|afk | I thought about taking the Engineers name for the team, but I think it probably it a bit of a silly idea to make the names so 'odd' |
| 22:50.47 | Laraul | the iphone does run OS X |
| 22:53.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, but on a phone processor? :P |
| 22:53.54 | Laraul | It's a decent processor |
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| 22:54.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Still... WoW?? |
| 22:54.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Also fun: http://www.istartedsomething.com/20070209/live-brand-vista/ |
| 22:55.16 | Laraul | ohhh i should write a wowwiki widget |
| 22:56.59 | Kirkburn|afk | In a similar vein: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=36099539665548298 |
| 22:59.31 | Laraul | this video is rather amusing |
| 22:59.53 | Zeal | Enginner seemed logical enough to me, but i'm not bothered |
| 23:00.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, logical, but confusing to people 'not in the know' |
| 23:00.29 | Kirkburn|afk | I mean, it's a cool name, but it's probably better just to say what it is |
| 23:00.30 | Zeal | maybe |
| 23:00.44 | Zeal | i meant logical enoguh that those in the know would probably get it :P |
| 23:00.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Same for Crow's Nest, wouldn't mean much to most people |
| 23:00.51 | Zeal | aye |
| 23:00.59 | Zeal | *not in the know |
| 23:01.34 | Laraul | for example... i have NO idea what you are talking about |
| 23:01.37 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
| 23:01.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Engineers = wiki Template Team |
| 23:02.55 | Laraul | there needs to be a wow widget for vista |
| 23:03.29 | Laraul | does anyone know what i am talking about? |
| 23:03.35 | Kirkburn|afk | What type? |
| 23:03.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Search thingy? |
| 23:03.41 | Laraul | or are you asking "WTF is a widget" |
| 23:04.00 | Kirkburn|afk | I have a radio gadget (I think you mean gadget?) on atm |
| 23:04.04 | Laraul | For wowwiki... yeah a simple search |
| 23:04.13 | Zeal | i'm still anti-welcoming commitee (fyi, you should do a little section for thme too :P). and why i'm not entirely bothered, i still think a cat team would be best left seperate from the article council, perhaps even better, as a sub-team of it. |
| 23:04.19 | Laraul | that's right vista calls them gadgets |
| 23:04.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, take up the first bit with Fandy :P |
| 23:04.42 | Kirkburn|afk | A subteam could be a good idea |
| 23:04.43 | Zeal | lol |
| 23:04.51 | Kirkburn|afk | I might leave that up to the teams to sort out |
| 23:05.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Just have the umbrella titles and leave the tea leader to sort out how it works |
| 23:05.13 | Kirkburn|afk | *team |
| 23:05.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Though a tea boy might be nice |
| 23:05.27 | Zeal | well yeah, but still needs to be documented :P |
| 23:05.35 | Zeal | haha |
| 23:05.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Shall have to try and solicit more comments on it |
| 23:05.49 | Zeal | a wowwiki gadget, hm.. |
| 23:06.10 | Zeal | i suggest fixing wowwiki first :P |
| 23:06.11 | Kirkburn|afk | There's a fair few gadgets on the Vista site to work from |
| 23:06.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh in other news, a Zune phone is likely incoming, before the iPhone |
| 23:06.42 | Zeal | unless they're in something basic.. i'll probably never make one. |
| 23:06.55 | Zeal | the iphone is taking it's sweet time : / |
| 23:07.29 | Zeal | i promised myself, no new ipod until i fill my existing one |
| 23:07.36 | Zeal | with music only |
| 23:08.03 | Zeal | and the iphone counts :p |
| 23:08.30 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, Template Engineers? |
| 23:09.00 | Kirkburn|afk | That's an idea, yeah |
| 23:09.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh and yet another link for you - TomKat dancing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBFfbP88jDE |
| 23:10.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, changed |
| 23:10.46 | Zeal | "using her as a shield" :p |
| 23:10.46 | Kirkburn|afk | "Engineering!", ah the memories |
| 23:10.47 | Zeal | rofl |
| 23:11.24 | Zeal | lol Kirkburn|afk |
| 23:11.24 | Zeal | have you read the stuff about the wiki error, conditional templates etc? |
| 23:12.01 | Zeal | problem found, solution sugg.. well, ordered tbh, no negotiating on the issue really, it needs to be done. |
| 23:13.31 | Laraul | hmmm this computer has four fans |
| 23:13.32 | verxion | I am on malygos server |
| 23:14.03 | Laraul | my main is on dunemaul |
| 23:14.28 | Zeal | my shuttle has.. 6, and a 7th i added myself because it's such a poor airflow design. |
| 23:14.58 | Zeal | compared to.. 2 i had my old shuttle, with a 3rd i added for kicks. |
| 23:15.05 | Kirkburn|afk | AAAAAAaahhhh, brain 'sploding: http://www.myfoxmilwaukee.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=2311167&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.1.1 |
| 23:15.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, no I have not read the stuff |
| 23:15.59 | Zeal | well, please do :P |
| 23:16.12 | Laraul | ver your @ home i demand you take a look at those videos! ^^ |
| 23:16.25 | verxion | good point laraul |
| 23:16.28 | verxion | let me load 'em up |
| 23:16.28 | verxion | sec |
| 23:16.30 | Zeal | my 7th dropped this bitch by about 20C |
| 23:16.51 | Zeal | ridiculous |
| 23:17.39 | Zeal | oh no.. the person next door could be a pedo.. |
| 23:17.44 | Kirkburn|afk | (oh here's an accompanying comic to that Fox news thing - http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic ) |
| 23:17.46 | Zeal | so could the guy they just walked past.. |
| 23:17.48 | Zeal | ffs.. |
| 23:17.56 | Zeal | stupid nanny state.. |
| 23:18.23 | Kirkburn|afk | I find it weird enough outlawing jaywalking |
| 23:18.51 | Kirkburn|afk | I just cannot imagine being arrested for attempting to cross a road |
| 23:19.43 | Zeal | oh yeah, i saw that too |
| 23:19.44 | Zeal | wtf |
| 23:20.19 | Zeal | oh i like how he says afterwards "they knew it was me sending the messages, but they only just met me.." |
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| 23:20.52 | Zeal | you're a reporter, from the news, you just interviewed them, you know where they live... |
| 23:21.40 | Zeal | either way, you don't leave kids un supervised and you teach your kids to be safe.. |
| 23:22.07 | Zeal | if you're blaming technology providing access, but don't observe those rules, then you're a shit parent imo. |
| 23:22.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Aye |
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| 23:23.15 | Zeal | you don't let your kids walk the streets alone, and then blame the police for allowing them to be kidnapped.. |
| 23:23.25 | Zeal | oh wait.. you do.. cos you're american.. >_> |
| 23:23.26 | Zeal | hehe |
| 23:25.21 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 23:25.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Back to BSG |
| 23:26.44 | Zeal | "..are great parents, but like most parent's didn't think to read the manual of their child's game.." wtf?! you call that great parenting? i call that neglect of duty in caring for a child. |
| 23:27.06 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
| 23:27.21 | Montagg | I'm listening to your theme song, Zeal. (Chrono Trigger soundtrack.) |
| 23:27.34 | Zeal | i have no idea what that sounds like :s |
| 23:27.45 | Zeal | how has it become my theme tune? :s |
| 23:28.05 | Montagg | There's a town in Chrono Trigger called Zeal. |
| 23:28.08 | Zeal | lol |
| 23:28.09 | Zeal | i see |
| 23:29.11 | Zeal | never palyed it, heh |
| 23:29.15 | Montagg | It's actually a city that floats in the sky inhabited by magically-talented individuals. |
| 23:29.19 | Montagg | Really good game, actually. |
| 23:31.23 | Laraul | verxion: have you taken a look? |
| 23:32.09 | Zeal | someone remind me to reply to angry ogre later, heh |
| 23:32.18 | Zeal | god that guy's biased :P |
| 23:38.05 | Zeal | god, why is it ati's refrence boards > manfacturer boards |
| 23:38.08 | Zeal | : / |
| 23:38.12 | Zeal | always.. |
| 23:38.23 | Zeal | cosntnatly let down by manafacturers |
| 23:39.11 | verxion | um |
| 23:39.14 | verxion | yeah |
| 23:39.17 | verxion | I saw the first one |
| 23:39.22 | verxion | you killed a few monsters |
| 23:39.26 | verxion | haven't looked at the next one yet |
| 23:42.05 | Zeal | so Kirkburn|afk, sys ops to bureaucrats ? |
| 23:42.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Not important enough, tbh |
| 23:42.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Fandy is the only bureaucrat, and he heads the admins |
| 23:42.51 | Zeal | i'm still pro-listing the group :P |
| 23:43.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Okay, I may mention it as part of the admins bit |
| 23:43.30 | Zeal | also, now that you've marked fandylic as the leader, that begs the question. was my equal council idea not how it's done? |
| 23:44.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, what do you mean? |
| 23:44.42 | Zeal | don't think you were around when i wrote it up, think it was jsut adys and hob :s |
| 23:45.17 | verxion | the second video is ridiculously huge |
| 23:45.21 | verxion | I am not gonna download it |
| 23:45.22 | Zeal | er.. basically, the admins are all equal and discuss things, reaching agreements etc. |
| 23:45.27 | verxion | you need to get a codec |
| 23:45.28 | verxion | rofl |
| 23:45.53 | Laraul | lol it's compressed with divx |
| 23:45.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh yeah, we're all equal, but Fandy is the head admin - he's the only one with the powers to make more |
| 23:46.03 | verxion | what is it an hour long? |
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| 23:46.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, that was a bad explanation :P |
| 23:46.33 | winkiller | Kirkburn|afk: I just saw the red "remember - wowwiki is not wikipedia"-tag/button on your user page. Thanks for that major laugh :) |
| 23:46.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Some people are more equal than others? =) |
| 23:46.41 | Kirkburn|afk | winkiller, :D |
| 23:46.44 | Laraul | it's 7:30 min long |
| 23:46.56 | Zeal | lol Kirkburn|afk |
| 23:47.23 | winkiller | Kirkburn|afk: But I guess you have no idea about the German wikipedia. compared to that en can be called liberal, unbureaucratic and cool |
| 23:47.35 | Zeal | well i considered it fandylic being one of the sys ops, had that power only. |
| 23:47.40 | Zeal | but not as the admin leader |
| 23:47.44 | Laraul | want me to reincode with h.264? |
| 23:47.50 | Zeal | rustak too ofc |
| 23:47.52 | Laraul | re-encode |
| 23:48.11 | verxion | I won't use quicktime |
| 23:48.12 | Zeal | i guess that's fine though |
| 23:48.29 | verxion | not until they make a proper installer |
| 23:48.43 | Zeal | basically. it was talked about team leader, would either be admins, or become admins when given that position. |
| 23:48.49 | Zeal | *leaders |
| 23:49.21 | Laraul | is 120 mb to big? |
| 23:49.35 | verxion | try 327mb |
| 23:49.47 | Laraul | no i mean for the re-encoded file |
| 23:49.54 | verxion | I said I won't use quicktime |
| 23:50.13 | Laraul | i'm encoding with divx (h.263) |
| 23:50.42 | Laraul | lol won't use quicktime.. |
| 23:50.42 | Laraul | w/e |
| 23:50.52 | Laraul | 120 mb divx file? to big? |
| 23:52.01 | verxion | quicktime doesn't have a proper installer for windows |
| 23:52.11 | verxion | and I am unaware of a current method of playing h.263 other than quicktime |
| 23:52.19 | verxion | though I haven't researched it much (none actually) |
| 23:52.29 | Laraul | here 143.21 mb? |
| 23:52.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, not ignoring you, but I'll have to have a think about it |
| 23:52.43 | verxion | well it is likely going to be like the first one |
| 23:52.48 | verxion | showing you fighting some random mobs |
| 23:52.50 | Laraul | no |
| 23:53.05 | Laraul | what are you using isdn? |
| 23:53.09 | Laraul | dial-up? |
| 23:53.26 | verxion | it isn't my speed |
| 23:53.34 | verxion | it is the lack of speed from the host |
| 23:54.27 | Laraul | stream the video |
| 23:54.47 | Laraul | it'll dl faster than it'll play |
| 23:54.57 | verxion | streaming doesn't allow moving through the video |
| 23:55.12 | verxion | ie, random access |
| 23:55.43 | Laraul | it'll take five minutes to dl as is |
| 23:55.49 | Zeal | anyone care to confirm this... "u set ur bios to the year 2099 then install from cd and ask for a trial then choose which ever vista you want and install then set your bios to 2007 and woo 92 year trial haha" |
| 23:55.55 | Zeal | this is vista fyi |
| 23:57.30 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, np tbh. |
| 23:57.52 | Zeal | i don't expect such a thing to be put in place without much discussion |
| 23:58.00 | Zeal | but it did seem sensible. |
| 23:58.04 | Laraul | hmm... 25 minutes to encode |
| 23:58.11 | Laraul | wait now 30 |
| 23:58.47 | Laraul | well it's 2 pass |
| 23:59.49 | verxion | ok it is playing |
| 23:59.54 | verxion | I see you fighting more random mobs |
| 23:59.56 | verxion | ... |