irclog2html for #wowwiki on 20070207

`00:06.43`	`axxo`	`you can 10 man deadmines?`
`00:07.57`	`tliff`	`think so`
`00:08.21`	`tliff`	`but why should you?`
`00:13.18`	`Zeal`	`heh`
`00:14.09`	`tliff`	`axxo: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/worlddungeons.html#Deadmines`
`00:14.55`	`Zeal`	`oh well, from http://www.wcradio.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4617&st=0&p=50182&#entry50182 down.`
`00:15.39`	`Zeal`	`called Gabby, the lorekeeper's helper out on her speculation and asumptions being told as fact.`
`00:17.59`	`Adys`	`mm?`
`00:18.09`	`Zeal`	`how do you sign someone elses post when they forget to? :s`
`00:18.22`	`Adys`	`--[[User:Blah\|Blah]]`
`00:18.32`	`Zeal`	`i thought there was a template for it`
`00:18.32`	`Adys`	`no? :P`
`00:18.42`	`Adys`	`theres a wikipedia one`
`00:18.48`	`Zeal`	`that said something like "this unsigned comment was made by blah"`
`00:18.48`	`Adys`	`something like {{unsignedpost}}`
`00:18.54`	`Adys`	`but not a wowwiki one`
`00:20.03`	`Zeal`	`{{unsigned}} :p`
`00:41.42`	`Zeal`	`well i've finished CoH`
`00:42.38`	`Zeal`	`tbh, it's the worst written book imo, but very factual and informative. Just so happens the facts are often wrong and the information written in a confusing manner`
`00:42.53`	`Zeal`	`overall.. it makes it the worst book in the warcraft serios so far..`
`00:42.59`	`Zeal`	`*series`
`00:43.15`	`Zeal`	`mangas next, then onto the RPG's :p`
`00:45.51`	`Zeal`	`gunna go eat and watch tv, bbl`
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`02:33.06`	`zeal`	`why such a slow day? :s`
`02:39.27`	`Adys`	`zzZZZzzZZZzzzz`
`02:41.35`	`zeal`	`indeed`
`02:41.52`	`zeal`	`i'm still arguing lore, lol.`
`02:51.45`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`DING!`
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`02:52.31`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I just hit 70 :)`
`02:52.37`	`Karrion`	`grats!`
`02:52.46`	`bleetah`	`I am STILL looking for that WoW definitions page that has 'grats' defined as 'diligaf' ;)`
`02:53.00`	`bleetah`	`*dilligaf`
`02:53.14`	`bleetah`	`grats, tho, bloke :)`
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`02:55.20`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`heh, thanks`
`02:55.38`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Not even done a single Shadowmoon Valley quest`
`02:55.55`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Tekkub, me be 70 =)`
`02:56.07`	`Tekkub`	`me be... 61.75`
`02:56.29`	`Tekkub`	`tho the hubby is sick all week and I'm likely working some of his shifts, so I might get some levels this week`
`02:56.33`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Better than UB40`
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`02:56.56`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Here's hoping`
`02:57.04`	`hokatichenci`	`Is there a way to auto-resize an image when using the [[Image:]] tag? I've got a full size screenshot but I only want a smaller version of it to be shown`
`02:57.08`	`Tekkub`	`also, I just got a free copy of Office 2007 from work muahahahahaha`
`02:57.22`	`Adys`	`grats on 70 kirk :D`
`02:58.22`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`:)`
`02:58.29`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Tekkub, which version?`
`02:58.30`	`Adys`	`ill be back later, maybe :P`
`02:58.44`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`hokatichenci, [[Image:Blah.jpg\|400px]]`
`02:58.52`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`400px is your defined width`
`02:58.59`	`hokatichenci`	`thanks`
`02:59.02`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`np`
`02:59.02`	`hokatichenci`	`\|thumb did it too`
`02:59.06`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Indeed`
`02:59.22`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`You can use lots of combination, but yeah thumb is best`
`02:59.33`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Back to WoW to get my spells and mount ... bbl`
`03:00.32`	`Tekkub`	`Pro, upgrade`
`03:00.53`	`Tekkub`	`they needed Access for the DB I wrote, they only had 2003 word/excel/pp/outlook`
`03:01.09`	`Tekkub`	`so I conned em into buying it, first thing I did, made an image :)`
`03:01.34`	`hokatichenci`	`Hmm, is there way to have a line break? Using \|thumb works but now the images go farther than I want them to.`
`03:24.13`	`zeal`	`what do you meant hokatichenci?`
`03:24.14`	`equiraptor`	`Play them!`
`03:24.58`	`zeal`	`*mean`
`03:25.49`	`bleetah`	`wish I could vendor unwanted toons.. I'm sure they're carrying around some useful mats inside their bodies`
`03:28.42`	`Hobinheim`	`vendor an entire person, huh`
`03:28.52`	`Hobinheim`	`so if you mind control someone, can you "accidentally" vendor them`
`03:37.56`	`hokatichenci`	`zeal, http://www.wowwiki.com/Karazhan_Stealth_Attunement`
`03:39.23`	`hokatichenci`	`I'd like things to be spaced out a bit more so you can follow the thumbnails accordingly`
`03:39.51`	`tliff`	`neato`
`03:42.31`	`hokatichenci`	`any ideas tliff?`
`03:43.56`	`zeal`	`don't follow what you want to do hokatichenci. shrink them to match paragraph size?`
`03:44.15`	`hokatichenci`	`zeal, basically. I don't want the arcatraz images going past where the black morass is`
`03:44.25`	`hokatichenci`	`and ffs remove your away :P`
`03:44.50`	`zeal`	`i'm not fully here, heh.`
`03:45.04`	`Karrion`	`hokatichenci: {{clr}} ?`
`03:46.06`	`tliff`	`yeah, clr`
`03:46.22`	`tliff`	`hokatichenci: mom, i'll edit it`
`03:46.41`	`tliff`	`hokatichenci: mkay`
`03:46.49`	`hokatichenci`	`perfect`
`03:47.20`	`tliff`	`i hope thats what you wanted ;)`
`03:48.27`	`hokatichenci`	`Yeah pretty much`
`03:48.38`	`hokatichenci`	`I might switch between left and right aligned images to maybe make it look better, but thats pretty much it. Thanks`
`03:48.48`	`tliff`	`no problem`
`03:49.24`	`zeal`	`hm..`
`03:50.18`	`zeal`	`pfft, tliff did what i'm doing`
`03:50.25`	`zeal`	`though i'm shrinking them too`
`03:50.41`	`tliff`	`i'm sorry i took away your work ;)`
`03:50.53`	`zeal`	`lol`
`03:54.05`	`zeal`	`donedeaded`
`03:54.05`	`hokatichenci`	`hehe neat`
`03:54.08`	`hokatichenci`	`now I just need to get some ss's to show the basic path to the steamvaults and that'll pretty much finish off the article as far as the stealthing portion goes`
`03:56.12`	`zeal`	`hm..`
`03:56.26`	`zeal`	`these manga's aren't that good : /`
`03:56.30`	`zeal`	`just finished the first, heh.`
`03:56.44`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`\o/`
`03:56.46`	`zeal`	`yay for picks of Lick King Arthas :p`
`03:56.48`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Controversial!`
`03:56.49`	`zeal`	`*pics`
`03:56.57`	`zeal`	`hm Kirkburn\|afk?`
`03:57.11`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`"these manga's aren't that good"`
`03:57.16`	`zeal`	`ah`
`03:57.21`	`zeal`	`ypu looked at that wow radio topic?`
`03:57.24`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I assume you were talking about the Warcraft ones?`
`03:57.27`	`zeal`	`indeed`
`03:57.31`	`zeal`	`*you`
`03:57.36`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`No, I've been buying my snowy gryphon :P`
`03:57.42`	`zeal`	`lol`
`03:57.48`	`zeal`	`give it a read`
`03:57.54`	`zeal`	`it's like MoM all over again :P`
`03:58.11`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`"why dranie are in the silver hand"`
`03:58.12`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`?`
`03:58.15`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`That one?`
`03:58.17`	`zeal`	`indeed`
`03:58.52`	`zeal`	`Kae = Strixus's co-host. Gabby = their researcher/irc helper etc.`
`04:01.54`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Yes, never assume is the important point to take away`
`04:02.17`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`*"never assume"`
`04:02.51`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Weird first post though :P`
`04:03.19`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`zeal, there's a reply`
`04:14.31`	`zeal`	`weird first post? :P`
`04:15.53`	`zeal`	`well i dunno what the whole thing had to go back and forth it was simple. Gabby made and assumption, after correcting someone else for something similar. merely wanted to point out it was an assumption, not fact, so she should take note of the double standard she follows.`
`04:15.56`	`tliff`	`ah damn...`
`04:15.59`	`zeal`	`*why the`
`04:16.02`	`tliff`	`down for maintenance =/`
`04:16.10`	`zeal`	`*made an`
`04:20.36`	`zeal`	`as to the mangas, the frame layout is obvious, soemthing most comics and mangas fail at.`
`04:20.59`	`zeal`	`but the writting.. it doesn't suit manga at all`
`04:21.17`	`zeal`	`it doesn't flow wow`
`04:21.24`	`zeal`	`*well`
`04:21.58`	`zeal`	`often in places it seems like the speech was just added for the sake of it, no relevence or impact to the scene or story.`
`04:23.42`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I found the manga hard to follow as well`
`04:23.55`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I'm used to european drawing styles, it's too 'crazy' for me`
`04:24.51`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Plus it should be in colour :P`
`04:25.33`	`zeal`	`i've never been a big comic reader`
`04:25.41`	`zeal`	`i don't liek the drawing style either tbh, lol`
`04:25.55`	`zeal`	`it's fantasy meats anime.. not nice.`
`04:26.25`	`zeal`	`anyways.. i'm used to reading Ah! My Goddess and Techi mangas :P`
`04:27.50`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I'll take a wild guess and imagine they are about nubile young women?`
`04:30.54`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Given Ragestorm a link to the Mac XChat`
`04:31.13`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`That was good timing`
`04:31.25`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`He just said he hadn't found a free OSX prog`
`04:32.06`	`zeal`	`rofl`
`04:32.19`	`zeal`	`i was going to suggest Chat, but wasn't sure :P`
`04:32.39`	`zeal`	`and they are both about a japanese guy who ends up with a house full of hot women :P`
`04:32.46`	`zeal`	`so yeah`
`04:32.59`	`zeal`	`but the details vary greatly ;)`
`04:33.02`	`tliff`	`Kirkburn\|afk: colloquy?`
`04:33.31`	`tliff`	`Kirkburn\|afk: thats also mor macish than xchat on OSX ;)`
`04:33.37`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Oh right`
`04:34.45`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Added that too :)`
`04:43.02`	`zeal`	`all done with the mangas`
`04:46.00`	`zeal`	`give shadows & light a read next i think`
`04:46.15`	`zeal`	`see if i can get some better placement on the timeline going`
`04:48.32`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`zeal, there's still the 3rd oen to come =)`
`04:48.44`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`*3rd manga`
`04:48.46`	`zeal`	`indeed`
`04:48.57`	`zeal`	`good old wait for that..`
`04:49.09`	`zeal`	`still waitining on the rest of my order`
`04:49.13`	`zeal`	`the main bulk`
`04:49.15`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Same`
`04:49.27`	`zeal`	`march something it's expected :s`
`04:49.55`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`though the bulk of my latest order wasn't Warcrafty - Naked Gun, Police Squad. But I am waiting for APG and LoC`
`04:50.03`	`zeal`	`lol`
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`04:51.48`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I mustWoo: http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/Characters`
`04:51.48`	`zeal`	`APG, WA, LoC, LoM, MM&M, M&M,`
`04:52.02`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`lol, always check your edit box is clear before sending a new msg`
`04:52.14`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`"I mustWoo" indeed`
`04:52.20`	`zeal`	`hehe`
`04:52.24`	`zeal`	`grats`
`04:52.42`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I bought the Stormsaber on a whim about a week ago`
`04:52.55`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Got a little bored with levelling so decided to get Darnassus to exalted`
`04:53.20`	`zeal`	`lol`
`04:53.35`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`People think I'm weird for choosing a Stormsaber over a Dreadsteed =)`
`04:53.41`	`zeal`	`none of the mounts appeal to me as a belf :s`
`04:54.01`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`:(`
`04:54.13`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`You'll be pretty mch exalted with everyone by the time you reach 60 =)`
`04:54.51`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`A suggestion - if you want to be exalted with all the home factions, do their starting quests now before you get to a high level`
`04:54.53`	`tliff`	`you chose a stormsaber over a dreadsteed?`
`04:55.00`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Yes`
`04:55.13`	`zeal`	`nah`
`04:55.13`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I do have a Dreadsteed, but I got bored with it`
`04:55.18`	`zeal`	`and if any, it would be trolls`
`04:55.29`	`tliff`	`o_O`
`04:55.31`	`zeal`	`who for a belf is probably the hardest of all factions..`
`04:55.46`	`zeal`	`hm.. actually the taurens`
`04:55.51`	`zeal`	`but it's close.`
`04:55.51`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`tliff, I've had it for well over a year`
`04:55.59`	`tliff`	`raptors dont make sounds when running`
`04:56.02`	`tliff`	`which is nice`
`04:56.10`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Stormsabers are pretty quiet too`
`04:56.20`	`zeal`	`well i want a raptor for my orc hunter`
`04:56.20`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I kinda miss the clip-clopping :P`
`04:56.35`	`zeal`	`but my belf, nothing really interests me`
`04:56.44`	`tliff`	`i want the old white epic raptor =(`
`04:56.44`	`zeal`	`woudl rather use the pala mount tbh.`
`04:56.48`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`what level are you now?`
`04:56.58`	`zeal`	`hunter.. er 53`
`04:57.04`	`zeal`	`belf is.. 23`
`04:57.07`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I feel like I should have said "wot lvl r u now?", damn WoW-speak`
`04:57.14`	`zeal`	`rofl`
`04:57.43`	`tliff`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Trollsraptors.jpg <3 ivory raptor`
`04:58.04`	`zeal`	`indeed, i want too`
`04:58.17`	`zeal`	`purple + white + black. ownage colours :P`
`04:58.41`	`zeal`	`plus i realized.. my orc hunter looks pwn in gold + white :P`
`04:58.58`	`zeal`	`white with gold trim that is`
`04:59.15`	`zeal`	`which is the majority of her gear atm`
`04:59.39`	`Thrae`	`My armour is bright red, bright blue, bright green, with white sleeves and frills. The pants are comically baggy and my shoes are twice the normal size. But it's stats are AWESOME!`
`04:59.39`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Pimp!`
`05:00.04`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`You sound like you're a paladin ....`
`05:00.16`	`zeal`	`lol`
`05:00.18`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`;)`
`05:00.55`	`Thrae`	`My off-hand is [Jar of Seltzer] (+23 Stamina, +23 Spirit, +15 Intellect, +10 Strength, +15 Agility)`
`05:00.58`	`zeal`	`nah, prefer a more layered plate with the colour scheme of judgement :P`
`05:01.18`	`zeal`	`jarod in the manga, he has a nice pala outfit.`
`05:01.41`	`Thrae`	`[Rubber Nose] (+45 Stamina, +38 Strength)`
`05:01.42`	`zeal`	`i will right a story for my pala some day..`
`05:01.47`	`zeal`	`*write >_o;`
`05:02.16`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`For the first time ever I actually bought a faction item today`
`05:02.24`	`zeal`	`:p`
`05:02.31`	`zeal`	`got tons as a belf, lol`
`05:02.49`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`hey, they should have Red Nose Day stuff`
`05:03.03`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I bought http://www.wowwiki.com/Anchorite%27s_Robes`
`05:03.27`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`(Red Nose Day is a UK charity event)`
`05:06.53`	`zeal`	`it's a shame the class sets are usualy the best looking armour sets : /`
`05:07.16`	`zeal`	`well actually, for draenei and belf they made sure the starting set and most of the low level quests are good looking nad matching sets`
`05:07.30`	`zeal`	`which i, nad probably all RPers can appreciated.`
`05:07.37`	`hokatichenci`	`Yay another Aldor!`
`05:07.56`	`tliff`	`if i slip into my healing gear i sometimes think i'm dressed to entertain children =/`
`05:08.52`	`zeal`	`haha`
`05:08.56`	`Thrae`	`"Blarhg! You expect us, the proud Dranei, to fight the evils of the Burning Legion without matching socks?! Those Pit Commanders have matching socks! We require a perfect wardrobe!"`
`05:08.57`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`As you work through Outland you get different sets (not linked)`
`05:09.17`	`zeal`	`randomly named but the look matches?`
`05:09.18`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`e.g. from about 60-64 I was blue,then I was all green up to about 68 (in beta)`
`05:09.25`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Yeah`
`05:09.25`	`Thrae`	`"Now I know we're at war with them and viciously hate their guts, but...call in the Queer Elf For the Straight Dranei!" Blood Elves pop out of the woodwork`
`05:09.40`	`zeal`	`yeah, that's what it's like in belf areas :)`
`05:09.59`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I should really level my tailoring`
`05:12.05`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`It's amazing how "argh!" one person can be: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=M%27uru&diff=next&oldid=489285`
`05:12.23`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Agry Ogre added that counter argument`
`05:13.31`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`(Ragestorm has already told him off, fortunately)`
`05:14.34`	`tliff`	`who's that guy anywayP`
`05:15.24`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`A man obessed with thinking all blood elves are evil. Oh and that all the dwarves in Alterac Valley are also bad people.`
`05:15.39`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Apart from that ... not much`
`05:16.00`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`he needs to diversify :P`
`05:16.33`	`tliff`	`well, i got that blood elves part from just reading the recent changes list from time to time ;)`
`05:17.14`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`That thread was probably the most frustrating, intense and longest I've ever had :/`
`05:17.55`	`zeal`	`well there does need to be a counter for what is said`
`05:18.02`	`zeal`	`but not in the way he did it.`
`05:18.18`	`zeal`	`a sentence was all it needed really, and should be discussed first.`
`05:19.01`	`zeal`	`tbh, it's one of those speculations that is encompassing of several articles. so a one sentence summary and a link to a speculation article would have been nicer.`
`05:21.27`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`indeed`
`05:21.53`	`bleetah`	`Kirkburn\|afk: I have a shit-hot idea for wowwiki, it's so hot that I'm gunna /msg it to you... please promise to keep it quiet`
`05:22.26`	`zeal`	`rofl`
`05:22.41`	`zeal`	`as hot as paris hilton? :P`
`05:23.01`	`bleetah`	`nah, we're talking (to take a convo from another # earlier today) Liv Tyler hot`
`05:23.26`	`zeal`	`interesting`
`05:23.33`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I have a vague recollection of seeing that ...`
`05:23.56`	`bleetah`	`either that`
`05:23.57`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`No, I'm just speechless`
`05:23.59`	`bleetah`	`or it's a really dumb idea`
`05:24.24`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I think it would be a leeetle bit too disruptive :P`
`05:24.44`	`bleetah`	`bah, you're no fun`
`05:24.46`	`bleetah`	`:P`
`05:25.12`	`zeal`	`do tell :p`
`05:25.34`	`bleetah`	`well, seeing I can't get it accepted by Kirkburn\|afk... "on april fool's day... link everything to a page that just says 'l2p noob lawlz'"`
`05:25.41`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`^^`
`05:26.10`	`bleetah`	`I guess that'd mess up the locales which don't observe the festivities`
`05:26.35`	`Karrion`	`bleetah: better yet, everything just displays a bad version of the main page with "Wowwiki has a problem"`
`05:26.37`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`We'll probably be dealign with fallout from Blizzard's own jokes too =)`
`05:26.37`	`Karrion`	`...wiat...`
`05:26.43`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`haha`
`05:26.50`	`zeal`	`nah, just edit the main page to say wowwiki has been bought out by some company and ban everyone for day, lol.`
`05:27.09`	`zeal`	`*a day`
`05:27.18`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I think my prediction for this year is that it'll be about what the next expansion will be`
`05:27.26`	`zeal`	`nah`
`05:27.31`	`zeal`	`some joke about illidan :P`
`05:27.32`	`bleetah`	`they did that last year`
`05:27.50`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Cosmos' joke one year was that it had been bought by IGN iirc`
`05:27.55`	`zeal`	`lol`
`05:28.07`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`bleetah, no I mean literally what the expansion setting is`
`05:28.16`	`zeal`	`well i was going to suggest IGE for wowwiki, but i'm sure that'd be too controversial ;)`
`05:28.20`	`Karrion`	`I'm predicting this year's AFD joke will be that they're introducing a new level 70 40 man`
`05:28.25`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Mmhmm`
`05:28.30`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`heh`
`05:28.38`	`tliff`	`why not a level 40 70 man?`
`05:28.45`	`Karrion`	`even better lol`
`05:28.58`	`bleetah`	`hmm, where the mobs are 40 but it's gotta be done in lvl 70 heroic`
`05:28.59`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`No, no a level 1 instance!`
`05:29.11`	`tliff`	`or, always great: a char wipe!`
`05:29.13`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`A level 1 pik haired gnome instance :P`
`05:29.17`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`*pink`
`05:29.27`	`tliff`	`a cow level? ;)`
`05:29.30`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`tliff, lol`
`05:29.43`	`zeal`	`hm..`
`05:29.52`	`zeal`	`what have we had so far..`
`05:29.54`	`tliff`	`or a portal in outland to aiur or something`
`05:30.09`	`zeal`	`pandarian express, ogres as a race, wisps as a race.`
`05:30.10`	`tliff`	`how do you spell that again...`
`05:30.13`	`zeal`	`what else?`
`05:30.16`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`two headed ogres, no less`
`05:30.22`	`zeal`	`aye`
`05:30.41`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Well a WC3 one was the pandaren themselves`
`05:30.53`	`bleetah`	`i'd rather they just did something ingame... nessie breaks out of her lake to cast death and doom across the universe`
`05:30.58`	`zeal`	`perhaps some lore suggesting murlocs are the real ones ruling outland :p`
`05:31.10`	`bleetah`	`zeal: they're not?!`
`05:31.14`	`zeal`	`rofl`
`05:31.23`	`Thrae`	`bleetah: That would be silly.`
`05:31.27`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Interesting point hat though, no-one really knows much about the murlocs`
`05:31.31`	`zeal`	`murlocs are mini old gods :p`
`05:31.44`	`Thrae`	`We all know Nessie casts Vanish before Doom. Otherwise he'd have a horrible resist problem.`
`05:32.00`	`bleetah`	`zeal: gah, don't /msg me when I type your name and your /away yet typing.. it's really annoying`
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`05:32.45`	`Thrae`	`Everyone's tried the Murloc RPG, right?`
`05:32.55`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`damn right`
`05:32.56`	`zeal`	`hm.. interesting bleetah`
`05:33.04`	`zeal`	`shouldn't have been.`
`05:33.13`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`zeal, testing testing`
`05:33.20`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`"-zeal- Status: [Away: TV ]:[ 4hrs 47mins 16secs ]:[ type !zeal msg <message> to leave a message. ]"`
`05:33.31`	`zeal`	`pfft`
`05:33.44`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`In wonderful white on black text!`
`05:34.16`	`bleetah`	`:O no, you're client's wrong, it's white text on black background`
`05:34.16`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`There's info about the murlocs in LoM btw`
`05:34.26`	`bleetah`	`reinstall your IRC client, Kirkburn\|afk... seriously broken`
`05:34.34`	`bleetah`	`:P`
`05:34.57`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`That's what "white on black" means, noob =)`
`05:35.12`	`Thrae`	`I use the Stephen Colbert IRC client. I don't "see colour". People tell me I'm typing in their default colour scheme and I believe them.`
`05:36.06`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`You also spell colour correctly, which is nice :)`
`05:36.12`	`zeal`	`lol`
`05:36.33`	`zeal`	`er.. yeah live with the notices bleetah. i'll get round to finishing coding that.`
`05:36.44`	`zeal`	`i need to overide the default away system as it's shit.`
`05:36.49`	`bleetah`	`meh, I would've thought it'd be black on white, 'coz white on black would mean the white is on top of the black... i mean, wtf do you know about fonts, noob! :P`
`05:37.20`	`zeal`	`yeah, how the hell did you make clear font with thinking like that?! ;)`
`05:38.17`	`Thrae`	`Well Kirkburn, I think British accents are sexy. So I always pronounce it "colour", "favourite", etc.`
`05:38.22`	`bleetah`	`actually, now I look at again.. it's kinda ugly yellow on purple.. yerk`
`05:39.09`	`Zeal`	`Thrae, you female?`
`05:39.39`	`Zeal`	`otherwise eeww :p`
`05:40.10`	`Thrae`	`No, but I do have a lot of British blood in me.`
`05:40.23`	`Thrae`	`Which makes me sexy. But unfortunately I also have bad teeth.`
`05:40.28`	`bleetah`	`I didn't think there was a British accent... just lots of dialects of English spoken in Britain`
`05:41.46`	`Zeal`	`so true bleetah`
`05:41.52`	`Zeal`	`and i have 90% of them on women :P`
`05:41.55`	`Zeal`	`*hate`
`05:41.57`	`Thrae`	`Tracing my genelogy, I found I was...English,German,Polish,Italian,Native American,African American,French,Unguay,Egyptian,Adam`
`05:42.21`	`Zeal`	`i'm English and Welsh, lol.`
`05:42.23`	`Zeal`	`nice and simple.`
`05:42.41`	`Thrae`	`Oh, and also Scottish, Irish, and Greek.`
`05:42.56`	`Thrae`	`My people don't "see race" apparently.`
`05:44.11`	`tliff`	`dude, thats quite a genelogy`
`05:44.30`	`tliff`	`but where the heck is Unguay? ;)`
`05:44.50`	`Zeal`	`uraguay perhaps? :s`
`05:45.01`	`Zeal`	`you're a gay, lol. >_>;`
`05:45.02`	`tliff`	`no! i'm not gay!`
`05:45.07`	`Zeal`	`:p`
`05:45.10`	`bleetah`	`Hungary, maybe`
`05:45.12`	`Thrae`	`I was kidding about Unguay. But that's the only one ;)`
`05:45.19`	`tliff`	`(i was prepared for that joke!)`
`05:45.20`	`Zeal`	`lol`
`05:46.54`	`tliff`	`i love wikipedia http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d2/Internet_map_1024.jpg`
`05:46.56`	`tliff`	`not 1024`
`05:47.06`	`tliff`	`but one of those strange graphics numbers anyway...`
`05:48.06`	`tliff`	`no i only need to print it out, put on my door and scare people away with my geekness`
`05:48.58`	`Zeal`	`hm.. whats with those small clusters not attached? :S`
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`05:49.36`	`tliff`	`shrug`
`05:49.36`	`tliff`	`war on terrorism?`
`05:49.36`	`Zeal`	`*large`
`05:49.36`	`Zeal`	`rofl`
`05:49.36`	`Thrae`	`Zeal: Why did you capitalize your name? Are you claiming you have more "zeal" then before?`
`05:50.43`	`Zeal`	`i bring more zeal to the channel with my presence, so i guess you could say that :p`
`05:59.10`	`Zeal`	`well i'm gunna call it a night`
`05:59.13`	`Zeal`	`nn all`
`06:01.02`	`zeal`	`the zeal of this room has now diminished ;)`
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`06:17.15`	`Sky2042`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Qul%27thalas ...`
`06:17.18`	`Sky2042`	`:/`
`06:18.44`	`tliff`	`huh?`
`06:19.30`	`Sky2042`	`what an interesting article >.<`
`06:22.05`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`hmm, do I just deleted it`
`06:23.09`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`hmm, do I good grammar write`
`06:24.15`	`Sky2042`	`lol`
`06:24.36`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`moved it to his user page`
`06:29.55`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`G'night all`
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`12:57.25`	`Ludith`	`Hi, i have a question about the patch mirrors, some mirrors don't even have the patches they say they have, am i allowed to remove those links or does an admin do that? (spelling)`
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`12:58.20`	amro`afk	`you can do it, its a wiki =)`
`12:58.44`	`Ludith`	`alright`
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`15:00.42`	`Tep\|Work`	`Hi...`
`15:01.21`	`Tep\|Work_`	`grr`
`15:02.05`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I seem to have left my regular nick idling at home.`
`15:13.00`	`Tuqui-tuqui`	`:o`
`15:13.02`	`Tuqui-tuqui`	`hi Tepet`
`15:14.20`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Hi.`
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`16:06.23`	`Tepet\|Work`	`SlowWiki crits you for 9000!`
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`16:16.50`	`voidvector`	`server is worse than ever, it doesn't even show the "has a problem message" just stop responding`
`16:42.30`	`sancus`	`it has a problem with your face`
`16:42.30`	`voidvector`	`no, with your face`
`16:42.30`	`sancus`	`nope, it's fast and spiffy to me! it likes me`
`16:42.31`	`Tepet\|Work`	`hahaha`
`16:42.31`	`Tepet\|Work`	`backstab in the face`
`16:42.31`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Alrighty.`
`16:42.31`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Time to start adding modules and functionality to my site.`
`16:42.31`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Like a calendar mod thingy.`
`16:42.32`	`Tepet\|Work`	`For posting raids and for people to sign up. Maybe better off using the guild calendar thingy in game...`
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`16:58.03`	`Tepet\|Work`	`wowroster won't work with postgreSQL.`
`16:58.18`	`Tepet\|Work`	`This makes me a sad panda.`
`17:04.23`	`Tuqui-tuqui`	`this bubblewrap sucks`
`17:04.28`	`Tuqui-tuqui`	`it doesnt pop`
`17:04.37`	`Tuqui-tuqui`	`it distributes air to other bubbles`
`17:07.31`	`Tepet\|Work`	`ack!`
`17:07.33`	`Tepet\|Work`	`That's bad.`
`17:07.35`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Bad bubble wrap.`
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`17:14.29`	`Kirkburn`	`Morning`
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`17:16.13`	`Adys`	`gooooood morning all`
`17:17.57`	`Tepet\|Work`	`hi`
`17:18.04`	`Gryphen`	`heya`
`17:21.17`	`Kirkburn`	`I wonder, should I make mention of WowModelViewer in the Image Guidelines?`
`17:21.32`	`Kirkburn`	`People ask enough, so I guess I should say something :/`
`17:29.32`	`Adys`	`Kirkburn: mention + link at best, but nothing more imo, since its still datamining`
`17:29.42`	`Adys`	`thats my opinion, now I use and abuse of modelviewer alot :P`
`17:29.54`	`Adys`	`anyways, off to watch a movie, im dead tired. tc all, bbl`
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`17:50.56`	`Boromir`	`Hi, I jsut started using macros and I was wondering if anybody could tell me what I'm doing wrong? :P`
`17:51.11`	`Tepet\|Work`	`You forgot the peanut butter.`
`17:51.21`	`Gryphen`	`not without knowing the macro`
`17:51.52`	`Boromir`	`it's very simple`
`17:52.19`	`Boromir`	`cast immolate`
`17:52.19`	`Boromir`	`petattack`
`17:52.19`	`Boromir`	`cast Corruption`
`17:52.19`	`Boromir`	`Shoot`
`17:52.25`	`Boromir`	`with /'s in front`
`17:52.33`	`Boromir`	`it always stops after the first cast`
`17:52.48`	`Boromir`	`or actually, after petattack`
`17:52.59`	`Boromir`	`it seems like it'll only cast one spell`
`17:53.12`	`Boromir`	`probably just me being a n00b,a s I've never tried this before`
`17:53.39`	`Gryphen`	`you cant make multiple casts with one key`
`17:53.50`	`Gryphen`	`have to do castsequence and mash the key`
`17:54.04`	`Boromir`	`oh, boring :(`
`17:54.23`	`equiraptor`	`Well, doing all of that in one keypress is effectively botting.`
`17:54.43`	`Boromir`	`Don't they understand?? I really just wanna play this like a movie, not a game! ;oP`
`17:54.53`	`Gryphen`	`heh`
`17:54.59`	`equiraptor`	`Then play a hunter.`
`17:55.03`	`Boromir`	`(That was joke)`
`17:55.08`	`equiraptor`	`Pet + autoshot. Done. :-P`
`17:55.29`	`Boromir`	`hehe, ok.. That'`
`17:55.39`	`Boromir`	`s why all the bots ar hunters?`
`18:03.58`	`amro`	`probably because there are so many hunters, most of everything is hunters`
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`18:06.52`	`Kirkburn`	`Why on earth has my radio player gadget stopped working :(`
`18:08.28`	`Kirkburn`	`Gah, I can listen to Reading 107 FM, but I want Kiss 100. And on Reading they're talking about .... plastic.`
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`18:25.38`	`Laraul`	`Hello`
`18:25.45`	`kuinkala`	`lo`
`18:25.57`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Hi.`
`18:26.03`	`Laraul`	`Hey um... I was wondering about the wiki site`
`18:26.03`	`Kirkburn`	`Hello, hello`
`18:26.31`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Sorry, it's already taken.`
`18:26.39`	`Tepet\|Work`	`If you were thinking it was hot and wanted to ask it out.`
`18:27.27`	`Laraul`	`Well the preferences pane is hard to read`
`18:27.41`	`Kirkburn`	`heh, we know`
`18:27.51`	`Laraul`	`Okay so I'm not the only one`
`18:27.58`	`Kirkburn`	`Nope =)`
`18:30.36`	`amro`	`you can select the text or temporarily switch to the monobook theme`
`18:30.49`	`amro`	`Kirkburn: vista starting to malfunction =P?`
`18:30.56`	`Laraul`	`Um... how do I get WoW to use my second monitor?`
`18:31.15`	`Kirkburn`	`It has to be on your primary afaik`
`18:31.26`	`Laraul`	`There's gotta be another way`
`18:31.41`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Not necessarily.`
`18:31.54`	`Kirkburn`	`amro - not sure what was going on. The radio feed just ... stopped. And I couldn't get it back. 3rd party gadget tho =)`
`18:31.58`	`*** join/#wowwiki Cairenn (n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn)`
`18:31.58`	`*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ`
`18:35.50`	`amro`	`Laraul: there are howtos about it`
`18:36.45`	`amro`	`you can even have one monitor just for chat and other UI windows, with CTViewport`
`18:38.01`	`equiraptor`	`"It's always a long day, 86400 won't fit into a short."`
`18:40.05`	`*** join/#wowwiki verxion (n=verxion@ip70-190-201-159.ph.ph.cox.net)`
`18:40.09`	`verxion`	`howdy y'all`
`18:40.38`	`Tepet\|Work`	`heh`
`18:40.39`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Nice.`
`18:40.45`	`amro`	`hi verxion`
`18:41.00`	`verxion`	`so it looks like at least ONE of us is stuck at work like me`
`18:41.20`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Yeah, I forgot to change my nick on my home computer when I left.`
`18:41.35`	`Tepet\|Work`	`One of the drawbacks of being on 4 different IRC networks.`
`18:41.37`	`verxion`	`heh`
`18:41.40`	`verxion`	`well`
`18:41.44`	`verxion`	`I just use screen`
`18:41.49`	`verxion`	`so I don't have that problem, ever`
`18:42.04`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I never learned to use screen...`
`18:42.14`	`verxion`	`screen + irssi = teh shiznit`
`18:42.15`	`verxion`	`:)`
`18:42.17`	`Tepet\|Work`	`But then, I haven't really had to.`
`18:43.03`	`verxion`	`so anyone here on Malygos?`
`18:43.04`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Okay. You know you've been playing too much WoW when you see an e-mail with the subject "6.2 amd64 hang - deadlock?" and think, "Oh, so THAT'S how you kill them!"`
`18:43.15`	`verxion`	`rofl`
`18:43.19`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Poor warlocks.`
`18:43.42`	`Kirkburn`	`heh`
`18:43.55`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Hangin's too good for 'em.`
`18:44.03`	`verxion`	`I am guessing no malygosians then`
`18:45.01`	`Laraul`	`There is no Catalyst Control Panel for MacOS X`
`18:45.20`	`verxion`	`not surprising`
`18:45.41`	`verxion`	`MacOS X is such an infinitismally small market. . .`
`18:45.47`	`verxion`	`(for ATI I mean)`
`18:46.14`	`verxion`	`:)`
`18:46.18`	`Laraul`	`Well... the Catalyst Control for Windows is pretty bad`
`18:46.37`	`verxion`	`Laraul: which is one of a myriad reasons I haven't ever owned an ATI product`
`18:46.55`	`verxion`	`equiraptor: my workplace doesn't allow 'em either`
`18:47.01`	`Laraul`	`It's better than it used to be`
`18:47.15`	`equiraptor`	`verxion: It's not Macs it doesn't allow. It's personal machines.`
`18:47.16`	`verxion`	`Laraul: true - they finally have figured out how to write SOME drivers`
`18:47.22`	`verxion`	`equiraptor: oh, interesting`
`18:47.32`	`verxion`	`my work allows personal machines with a manager's consent`
`18:47.33`	`equiraptor`	`verxion: Too many idiots were bringing in Windows viruses.`
`18:47.37`	`Laraul`	`Their drivers have always been fine`
`18:47.38`	`equiraptor`	`They just made a blanket ban.`
`18:47.45`	`verxion`	`Laraul: ROFL!`
`18:47.56`	`equiraptor`	`Because they didn't want appear to play favorites. :(`
`18:47.57`	`verxion`	`Laraul: your definition of "fine" and mine are quite obviously different`
`18:48.03`	`verxion`	`equiraptor: ahh`
`18:48.10`	`verxion`	`equiraptor: there is no helping for the idiots`
`18:48.14`	`equiraptor`	`Their drivers have always been fine for some, possibly even many, people.`
`18:48.35`	`equiraptor`	`However, their drivers have been bad, sometimes devistatingly so, for (to me) an exsessively large percentage of their userbase.`
`18:49.11`	`verxion`	`well at my work, we actually have had contracts with ATI, and their own management has told us that they used to feel like their driver programmers couldn't program their way out of a wet paper sack. . .`
`18:49.34`	`Kirkburn`	`Indeed, how is it that the nVidia and ATi contorl panels are so, so crap?`
`18:49.35`	`equiraptor`	`Oops.`
`18:50.02`	`verxion`	`Kirkburn: the "newly improved" nVidia control panel needs to be flushed and the designer needs to be burned at the stake.`
`18:50.20`	`Kirkburn`	`Hell yes`
`18:50.20`	`Tuqui-tuqui`	`I demand a good driver`
`18:50.24`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: that is the easy part. :)`
`18:50.24`	`Kirkburn`	`Why the hell they moved away from the original design I just seriously do not know`
`18:50.25`	`Tuqui-tuqui`	`and a cleaning lady`
`18:50.33`	`Laraul`	`A driver is just a file for providing a bridge for the software to the hardware`
`18:50.33`	`verxion`	`(the programming your way into a wet paper sack)`
`18:50.36`	`Tuqui-tuqui`	`preferably french`
`18:50.50`	`verxion`	`Kirkburn: I do - and we touched on the reason earlier - idiots`
`18:51.12`	`verxion`	`Kirkburn: the new control panel is for people that don't understand more than "faster vs. slow but better looking"`
`18:51.40`	`Laraul`	`I like NVidia better... well I did`
`18:51.40`	`Kirkburn`	`It's still an awful AWFUL design`
`18:51.40`	`verxion`	`Laraul: and when the driver fails to do its job it would be considered a bad driver. :)`
`18:51.44`	`Kirkburn`	`verxion, I doubt anyoen finds it simpler tbh`
`18:51.46`	`verxion`	`Kirkburn: absolutely true`
`18:51.56`	`Laraul`	`When has the driver failed to do it's job?`
`18:51.57`	`verxion`	`the bit about being an awful design I mean`
`18:52.01`	`Kirkburn`	`It seems to be based on a help file layout?`
`18:52.15`	`verxion`	`Laraul: up until a few years ago ATI drivers flat out failed to render properly`
`18:52.24`	`equiraptor`	`Laraul: When it stoped being able to do 3D hardware acceleration.`
`18:52.29`	`Laraul`	`How long ago is a few years?`
`18:52.30`	`Kirkburn`	`I mean, of all the possible things to base your driver control panel on - a help page??`
`18:52.42`	`verxion`	`Laraul: we do mil spec hardware here at my work and ATI actually temporarily lost their contracts with us because of it`
`18:52.49`	`equiraptor`	`Laraul: The ATI drivers had a problem that would cause that from about 2003 to 2005 on some AGP based machines>`
`18:52.55`	`verxion`	`Laraul: up to about three years ago, at which point they began to improve`
`18:53.12`	`Laraul`	`Some AGP based machines? Not all?`
`18:53.20`	`equiraptor`	`Not all.`
`18:53.23`	`Kirkburn`	`Does the ATi contorl panel still have the chunky steel look?`
`18:53.34`	`verxion`	`Kirkburn: no clue, I avoid ATI like the plague`
`18:53.51`	`equiraptor`	`It had to be an 8x capable card in a 4x slot (not capable of 8x) doing a certain kind of rendering.`
`18:53.58`	`Laraul`	`For a while I think ATI was targeting the Mac end of the graphic market. That Was like before 2000...`
`18:54.15`	`verxion`	`I still agree with the new company name - DAAMIT`
`18:54.27`	`Kirkburn`	`heh`
`18:54.33`	`equiraptor`	`Some cards never displayed the problem. Some people could get their system to lockup 100% of the time at certain points in certain games.`
`18:54.40`	`verxion`	`Laraul: yeah, targeting the mac market is something they did, and it cost them dearly`
`18:54.44`	`equiraptor`	`In, I think, late 2005, ATI released a driver update that fixed that problem.`
`18:54.52`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Okay, so my boss isn't returning calls...`
`18:55.00`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: WOOT! Day off.`
`18:55.06`	`Tepet\|Work`	`And he yells at ME for not calling people and making excuses for him.`
`18:55.08`	`Kirkburn`	`Oh btw, I'm running the 100 series nVidia drivers on Vista atm - looking pretty good`
`18:55.19`	`Tepet\|Work`	`"Yeah, can you call then for me, Tep? They left me another VM..."`
`18:55.23`	`verxion`	`yeah, I am liking Vista atm`
`18:55.34`	`verxion`	`but only because I don't have blu-ray or hd-dvd in that particular system`
`18:55.37`	`Laraul`	`Bleh why would they go after the Windows market? Direct3D was a nightmare back then`
`18:56.00`	`verxion`	`Laraul: market share, pure and simple`
`18:56.04`	`Tepet\|Work`	`And then I get customers saying, "Well, does he check his VMs? Did he get my message? Does he return calls?"`
`18:56.05`	`Laraul`	`Apple had RAVE which was quite a bit better`
`18:56.10`	`Tepet\|Work`	`uhhh`
`18:56.12`	`Tepet\|Work`	`ummmm`
`18:56.12`	`Kirkburn`	`Tepet\|Work, lol`
`18:56.14`	`verxion`	`Laraul: instead, they just shoveled market share to nVidia. :)`
`18:56.22`	`Tepet\|Work`	`How am I supposed to answer that??`
`18:56.37`	`Laraul`	`No one used Direct3D... they all used Glide... which was a low level API`
`18:56.45`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: be honest. "No, he doesn't. Anything else I can help you with?"`
`18:56.57`	`verxion`	`Laraul: um, do you even know what Glide -IS-?`
`18:57.07`	`verxion`	`s/is/was`
`18:57.14`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Yeah, and then they get pissed and cancel a 5 digit contract and go with another vendor.`
`18:57.22`	`Laraul`	`Yeah 3DFX's 3D API`
`18:57.22`	`Kirkburn`	`I don't think I'd even really heard of ATi until the 'uber' card that was the 9800`
`18:57.23`	`Tepet\|Work`	`And then I get fired because there's no money to pay me.`
`18:57.29`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: I would look for work with the other vendor. :)`
`18:57.51`	`verxion`	`Laraul: yes, the one that -3dfx- cards used. Other folks used opengl.`
`18:57.54`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I'm about to see if Taco Bell's hiring.`
`18:58.02`	`Tepet\|Work`	`At least they are close to home and offer benefits.`
`18:58.08`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: most are. But you have to be hispanic to even have a chance. . .`
`18:58.15`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Oh. Uh...`
`18:58.28`	`Tepet\|Work`	`burger king then`
`18:58.35`	`verxion`	`I think the requirement is that you need to be unable to speak any English`
`18:58.43`	`verxion`	`ESPECIALLY if you man the drive through`
`18:58.44`	`Laraul`	`A lot of games only supported Glide`
`18:58.53`	`verxion`	`Laraul: correct.`
`18:59.00`	`verxion`	`Laraul: and those games didn't work on other cards`
`18:59.02`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I can speak muffle.`
`18:59.08`	`Kirkburn`	`the gfx market is a strange place - I mean, everyone knew of or had 3DFX, then suddenly they were no more`
`18:59.08`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: you might have a chance then`
`18:59.14`	`Laraul`	`They also had a software renderer typically`
`18:59.22`	`Tepet\|Work`	`And the pickles...and the PICKLES! ohhhhhh...`
`18:59.23`	`verxion`	`Kirkburn: well nVidia had to buy them so they could do nothing with 'em. :)`
`18:59.29`	`Laraul`	`It's cuz Glide was a pathetic APU`
`18:59.32`	`Laraul`	`Er API`
`18:59.38`	`Laraul`	`It's was very simple...`
`18:59.47`	`Laraul`	`very limited`
`18:59.55`	`Kirkburn`	`Anyways, I wants a 8800 :)`
`18:59.55`	`verxion`	`Laraul: some did, many didn't have a software renderer. Unreal was pretty much the last of the real software renderers`
`18:59.55`	`verxion`	`(Unreal 1 that is)`
`19:00.03`	`Laraul`	`Unreal is a good example...`
`19:00.12`	`verxion`	`Laraul: Glide did what ATI had failed to do for EVER`
`19:00.21`	`verxion`	`it was HILARIOUS`
`19:00.21`	`Laraul`	`I got both the PC and Mac versions of that game`
`19:00.21`	`verxion`	`ATI would have their 3d card`
`19:00.22`	`verxion`	`on the store shelf`
`19:00.26`	`verxion`	`with the bundled two games`
`19:00.29`	`verxion`	`that were "3d"`
`19:00.33`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Hm.`
`19:00.41`	`verxion`	`and those were the ONLY two games that would EVER work in 3d for the ATI card`
`19:00.42`	`verxion`	`:)`
`19:00.45`	`Kirkburn`	`haha`
`19:00.48`	`Laraul`	`Upon release, the PC version just supported Glide and software rendering. The Mac version supported RAVE, Glide, and Software`
`19:00.53`	`Tepet\|Work`	`How do you set Drupal up to use PMs? Right now, it just has e-mail contact forms and stuff.`
`19:01.11`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: no clue. :(`
`19:01.49`	`verxion`	`Glide was the first time that universally 3d games supported one API`
`19:01.58`	`verxion`	`it did EXACTLY what it needed to do to kickstart the market`
`19:02.05`	`Laraul`	`No RAVE was common on the Mac`
`19:02.06`	`verxion`	`and it did it exceedingly well`
`19:02.20`	`verxion`	`Laraul: but no market share`
`19:02.23`	`verxion`	`so it didn't matter`
`19:02.32`	`Kirkburn`	`omg, this radio DJ is an idiot. Complaining about predictive text indeed. Apparently he looked all through the manual and couldn't work out how to turn it off ...`
`19:02.40`	`Laraul`	`Bungie released a game I forget what it was called... but it required a 3D accelerator supporting RAVE`
`19:02.47`	`verxion`	`well`
`19:02.50`	`verxion`	`the thing about the mac is`
`19:03.00`	`verxion`	`each year when the mac game for that year is released`
`19:03.03`	`verxion`	`everyone buys it`
`19:03.08`	`verxion`	`because it is the game for that year`
`19:03.13`	`verxion`	`so it gets good support on the mac`
`19:03.27`	`verxion`	`but USUALLY it is a game that came out on the PC three or four years earlier`
`19:03.35`	`verxion`	`so companies like Blizzard ROCK imho`
`19:03.41`	`verxion`	`for releasing the mac version at the same time`
`19:03.49`	`verxion`	`rather than forcing Apple folks to wait so danged long`
`19:03.51`	`Laraul`	`Halo was first demonstrated on a Mac`
`19:03.55`	`verxion`	`heh`
`19:03.57`	`verxion`	`yeah`
`19:03.58`	`verxion`	`it was`
`19:04.01`	`verxion`	`and I was amazed`
`19:04.14`	`verxion`	`Halo is one of the singlemost downward spiraling games I have ever seen`
`19:04.15`	`Laraul`	`Bungie was largely a Mac developer`
`19:04.24`	`verxion`	`they had killer stuff in their mac demo`
`19:04.29`	`verxion`	`particle physics`
`19:04.34`	`verxion`	`all kinds of awesome vehicle graphics`
`19:04.38`	`verxion`	`then they got bought`
`19:04.46`	`verxion`	`they nuked 90% of the cool graphical content`
`19:04.53`	`verxion`	`released on xbox only (until LONG after)`
`19:05.04`	`verxion`	`it boggles my mind why halo has such a following`
`19:05.14`	`Laraul`	`Cuz it's a good game...`
`19:05.16`	`verxion`	`the mac halo demo WAS going to be Tribes 2`
`19:05.23`	`verxion`	`but then it became xbox only`
`19:05.29`	`Laraul`	`You do not know that`
`19:05.37`	`verxion`	`no, I think you misunderstand`
`19:05.43`	`verxion`	`what I am saying is`
`19:05.50`	`verxion`	`at the time that the mac halo demo was released`
`19:05.59`	`verxion`	`it looked like a GREAT replacement for Tribes`
`19:06.09`	`verxion`	`since no Tribes 2 had been announced as yet`
`19:06.17`	`verxion`	`but it didn't turn out that way`
`19:06.27`	`Laraul`	`It doesn't matter what it looked like! None of it showed any gameplay`
`19:06.43`	`verxion`	`the one I saw did`
`19:06.49`	`Zeal`	`people have been talking.. that's no right :o`
`19:06.51`	`verxion`	`I was at a 300 person LAN`
`19:07.03`	`verxion`	`they had some exclusive footage from the game`
`19:07.15`	`verxion`	`and they showed it on a HUGE wall (from a projector)`
`19:07.19`	`verxion`	`EVERYONE was standing up`
`19:07.21`	`verxion`	`chanting`
`19:07.29`	`verxion`	`many of us were saying "TRIBES TWO!!!!!"`
`19:07.36`	`verxion`	`and then they said "Halo, from Bungie"`
`19:07.39`	`verxion`	`and everyone sat down`
`19:07.44`	`Laraul`	`Where was this`
`19:07.51`	`verxion`	`in Phoenix, Arizona`
`19:07.57`	`verxion`	`at a thing called "Monsoon Madness"`
`19:08.09`	`Laraul`	`Um... I live in Tucson`
`19:08.15`	`verxion`	`which was a huge LAN party event put on by an organization called "A.L.L"`
`19:08.36`	`verxion`	`fortunately A.L.L has died in flames since then`
`19:08.43`	`verxion`	`they didn't know how to handle those events at all`
`19:08.54`	`verxion`	`that IS pretty ironic that you live in Arizona too`
`19:08.55`	`verxion`	`:)`
`19:12.17`	`verxion`	`here we go`
`19:12.19`	`verxion`	`http://www.lanparty.us/all/reviews.htm`
`19:12.22`	`verxion`	`all the links are dead`
`19:12.35`	`verxion`	`but this reminds me that monsoon madness was in August of 1999`
`19:13.01`	`verxion`	`so that gives you an idea of when they got the footage`
`19:13.33`	`Zeal`	`i've used ATI since the radeon series.`
`19:13.37`	`Zeal`	`straictly ati.`
`19:13.45`	`verxion`	`Zeal: I am sorry.`
`19:13.47`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Hrm.`
`19:14.00`	`Zeal`	`for?`
`19:14.09`	`verxion`	`Zeal: "i've used ATI since the radeon series."`
`19:14.33`	`Zeal`	`it's a choice`
`19:14.39`	`verxion`	`indeed`
`19:14.46`	`Zeal`	`i wouldn't touch nvidia before 7`
`19:14.48`	`verxion`	`one might have chosen to run Trident cards. :)`
`19:15.48`	`Zeal`	`lets optimize and hide the optimizations nad not let our users turn them off.. oh and btw, we never told you this, but you were never getting triliner af`
`19:16.12`	`verxion`	`Zeal: and by the way, you are running the game fast as hell for not much money`
`19:16.37`	`Zeal`	`verxion, i don't like lower quality being forced onto me`
`19:16.54`	`verxion`	`cool, here is a photo a friend of mine dug up from the LAN setup day:`
`19:16.55`	`verxion`	`http://www.lanparty.us/all/allphoto/LAN-us/lanus.htm`
`19:16.56`	`Zeal`	`when i have the choice, i run with trilinear, full af and full aa multi sampling.`
`19:17.14`	`verxion`	`Zeal: and as we have already established, you have a choice. :)`
`19:17.24`	`Zeal`	`and i feel i made the right one ;)`
`19:17.32`	`verxion`	`that is your right. :)`
`19:17.45`	`Zeal`	`http://www.landed-lan.co.uk/news.php`
`19:18.24`	`verxion`	`Zeal: cool`
`19:18.30`	`verxion`	`I am married and have kids now`
`19:18.38`	`verxion`	`so LANning isn't what it used to be for me. :)`
`19:18.44`	`Zeal`	`hehe`
`19:19.02`	`Zeal`	`well i've stayed loyal to that one since i started going. it's nice and small, very friendly`
`19:19.46`	`verxion`	`cool`
`19:19.47`	`Zeal`	`i miss working at a lan center (who had an ati contract too fyi) :p`
`19:19.55`	`verxion`	`my group, which formed in 1998 is still around`
`19:20.01`	`verxion`	`http://www.team-lan.com`
`19:20.08`	`verxion`	`thing is`
`19:20.13`	`verxion`	`now everyone is married with kids`
`19:20.21`	`verxion`	`so it has sortof spiraled down from what it used to be`
`19:20.31`	`Zeal`	`lol, yeah`
`19:20.42`	`verxion`	`I used to run the website`
`19:20.50`	`verxion`	`let me grab you a "wayback" link - sec`
`19:24.26`	`Zeal`	`lol`
`19:24.27`	`verxion`	`http://web.archive.org/web/20000115214728/of-b.org/tl/index.php3`
`19:24.27`	`verxion`	`that was from back when I ran the site`
`19:24.27`	`verxion`	`granted, it isn't much to see now`
`19:24.27`	`Zeal`	`lol yeah`
`19:24.27`	`Zeal`	`cool`
`19:24.27`	`verxion`	`look at our lan schedule though`
`19:24.27`	`verxion`	`that was the shit`
`19:24.27`	`verxion`	`I had an apartment`
`19:24.27`	`verxion`	`and I would host literally 36 person LANs at my apartment`
`19:24.27`	`*** join/#wowwiki dotted (n=me@0x555157c7.adsl.cybercity.dk)`
`19:24.27`	`verxion`	`I had a 36 port switch that we used, and the Cox Business connection`
`19:24.28`	`verxion`	`back then, 36 port switches weren't very common, rofl`
`19:24.28`	`verxion`	`especially not ones that had 100bT server ports`
`19:24.28`	`Zeal`	`about once a yeah i just do a long weekend here. me and 2-3 other people. that's all :p`
`19:24.28`	`Zeal`	`*a year`
`19:25.08`	`verxion`	`wow, now THIS brings back memories, rofl`
`19:25.09`	`verxion`	`http://web.archive.org/web/20000115225035/of-b.org/vp/scripts.php3`
`19:25.16`	`verxion`	`those were my scripts for tribes`
`19:25.26`	`verxion`	`I -STILL- get email about 'em`
`19:26.20`	`verxion`	`Zeal: are ya married now? Or still have the "swm" lan capability level? :)`
`19:27.04`	`Zeal`	`swm?`
`19:27.09`	`verxion`	`single white male`
`19:27.15`	`Zeal`	`lol, single verxion, only 21 ;)`
`19:27.19`	`Zeal`	`:p`
`19:27.21`	`verxion`	`ahh`
`19:27.22`	`verxion`	`then yes`
`19:27.33`	`verxion`	`you would be able to (as we said back in the day): "LAN IT UP!"`
`19:27.37`	`equiraptor`	`Heh`
`19:27.56`	`equiraptor`	`Being married does not necessarily mean one couldn't "lan it up". :-P`
`19:28.06`	`Gryphen`	`i married a gamer :)`
`19:28.17`	`verxion`	`equiraptor: ABSOLUTELY true. Just that MOST married folks can't "lan it up"`
`19:28.24`	`verxion`	`and unfortunately I am in one of those marriages`
`19:28.28`	`equiraptor`	`Awww.`
`19:28.29`	`Zeal`	`lol Gryphen.`
`19:29.21`	`verxion`	`they are denying insurance on my 4 month old. . .`
`19:29.30`	`equiraptor`	`eeep`
`19:29.34`	`verxion`	`yeah`
`19:29.53`	`equiraptor`	`Did they pay for the birth?`
`19:30.02`	`verxion`	`well they are contesting it`
`19:30.06`	`verxion`	`they will lose`
`19:30.13`	`equiraptor`	`On what grounds?`
`19:30.16`	`verxion`	`but I need to find out what got up their collective butts`
`19:30.33`	`verxion`	`equiraptor: they are claiming my employer (Boeing) didn't provide them with sufficient information`
`19:30.46`	`Zeal`	`O_o`
`19:31.23`	`Gryphen`	`w00t boeing`
`19:31.28`	`verxion`	`so I get the impression that NORMALLY this channel is downright dead`
`19:31.38`	`verxion`	`that depresses me`
`19:31.40`	`equiraptor`	`I wouldn't say downright dead.`
`19:31.49`	`verxion`	`it makes the day go faster`
`19:31.50`	`verxion`	`:)`
`19:31.51`	`equiraptor`	`There's not a lot of constant chatter, but there are people.`
`19:31.55`	`equiraptor`	`We're just boring.`
`19:32.06`	`equiraptor`	`So type a lot. We'll have conversations. We'll both have faster work days. :)`
`19:32.21`	`verxion`	`INDEED!`
`19:32.22`	`verxion`	`:)`
`19:32.28`	`equiraptor`	`:D`
`19:32.38`	`verxion`	`ok`
`19:32.42`	`verxion`	`this is ridiculous`
`19:32.45`	`equiraptor`	`I really need to send of the maps of my car so the guys can finish tuning it.`
`19:32.49`	`Gryphen`	`so i take it your arent in the factory verxion :)`
`19:32.53`	`Tepet\|Work`	`yaaay`
`19:32.54`	`verxion`	`I personally HATE the telephone systems that mandate you talk to the computer`
`19:32.57`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Vent info on front page`
`19:33.16`	`equiraptor`	`Woot!`
`19:33.17`	`verxion`	`ie, they provide NO method whatsoever for you to get through the system with numeric keypad`
`19:33.24`	`equiraptor`	`Now I can fire up vent and invade Tep's guild!`
`19:33.45`	`verxion`	`Gryphen: I do software and security`
`19:33.45`	`equiraptor`	`"No, I didn't say three, you picked up the damn server noise!"`
`19:34.04`	`Gryphen`	`nice, i worked 777 body structure for 3 years`
`19:34.04`	`verxion`	`equiraptor: ROFL`
`19:34.35`	`Tepet\|Work`	`hahha`
`19:34.36`	`Tepet\|Work`	`No`
`19:34.39`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Not THAT kind of info.`
`19:34.41`	`verxion`	`cool man`
`19:34.48`	`Tepet\|Work`	`But you can see who's on vent if you're authenticated on the site.`
`19:34.54`	`equiraptor`	`Ah, nice.`
`19:35.05`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I set it so it's only visible on the front page.`
`19:35.08`	`Tepet\|Work`	`And not visible to anonymous users.`
`19:35.20`	`equiraptor`	`Good. :)`
`19:35.40`	`equiraptor`	`I think my boss nearly yelled at me to go home earlier.`
`19:35.47`	`Tepet\|Work`	`sick?`
`19:35.49`	`equiraptor`	`I had a mini-coughing fit.`
`19:36.03`	`equiraptor`	`But my throat doesn't hurt anymore. I'm definitely better than I was.`
`19:36.15`	`equiraptor`	`And that reminds me, it's time to go tell my doc that.`
`19:36.48`	`verxion`	`ok, FINALLY got a person on the phone`
`19:42.32`	`Gryphen`	`Tepet i can see vent as guest`
`19:42.50`	`verxion`	`Gryphen: you still live in WA?`
`19:42.57`	`Gryphen`	`yeah`
`19:43.01`	`Gryphen`	`everett`
`19:43.04`	`verxion`	`cool`
`19:43.26`	`verxion`	`I have several friends that live up there`
`19:43.31`	`verxion`	`linux kernel hackers mostly`
`19:43.32`	`verxion`	`:)`
`19:43.35`	`Gryphen`	`hehe`
`19:45.25`	`Gryphen`	`can see vent login info on the roster too ;)`
`19:45.32`	`Gryphen`	`fyi`
`19:48.54`	`Zeal`	`Tepet\|Work. for my last guild. i ran IPB as the forums and user management, nurfed DKP, wow roster, ts2 and GEM all working together with an IPB SDK based front end and CMS.`
`19:49.45`	`Gryphen`	`i run home grown`
`19:49.49`	`Gryphen`	`bleh to cms`
`19:49.51`	`Gryphen`	`heh`
`19:50.00`	`equiraptor`	`If you're interested in NurfedDKP, I believe Nugget has something that will interface between it and Drupal.`
`19:50.37`	`Zeal`	`basically, wow roster imported the roster, added them to ndkp, set user permissions for IPB, registered ts2 accounts. didn't get round to automating things with GEM as it's webUI was still under construction at the time.`
`19:52.15`	`Zeal`	`imrpoved on that existing wow server script, rather bloated tbh and no one had updated it for the two different formts EU and US were using at the time.`
`19:52.58`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Gryphen: uh...`
`19:52.58`	`Zeal`	`had a ts2 status script, and was working on the back end for viewing it in full, editing users etc.`
`19:53.09`	`Gryphen`	`what i did to wowroster, ugly and inefficient so i rewrote it for myself`
`19:53.18`	`Zeal`	`lol`
`19:53.28`	`Gryphen`	`i wrote vbteamspeak user management for vbulletin`
`19:53.36`	`Gryphen`	`has those features`
`19:53.49`	`Zeal`	`bleh to cms? cms is needed. bleh to pre-made cms`
`19:53.58`	`Gryphen`	`well ya`
`19:54.09`	`Zeal`	`cms was my own`
`19:54.20`	`Gryphen`	`http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=122221`
`19:54.21`	`Zeal`	`incomplete, but it was a work in progress, expanding with the guild.`
`19:55.48`	`Zeal`	`then i merged my guild with other, as it's in game leadership without me wasn't working out. so the site was scrapped and was working with someone else who runs his own web development company on a ruby on rails system.`
`19:56.05`	`Zeal`	`but then i quit wow :p`
`19:57.03`	`verxion`	`Zeal: and yet you remain here? :)`
`19:57.33`	`Zeal`	`i'm playing again, shush >_>;`
`19:57.36`	`Zeal`	`lol`
`19:57.43`	`Zeal`	`even if i wasn't playing at all`
`19:57.46`	`Zeal`	`i'd still be here.`
`19:59.28`	`verxion`	`cool`
`19:59.52`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Wowroster won't work with postgreSQL, so I can't use it. :(`
`20:00.13`	`Gryphen`	`is noob squad your site?`
`20:00.15`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I am not really a programmer or DB admin, so I need to find something else that will.`
`20:00.16`	`Tepet\|Work`	`NO.`
`20:00.19`	`Tepet\|Work`	`er, sorry`
`20:00.24`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Freudian caps.`
`20:00.53`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: you don't need to be a db admin with phpmysql`
`20:01.05`	`verxion`	`it pretty much makes 99% of web db admin tasks point and click`
`20:01.26`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I didn't mean to yell. I'm sorry, baby! I only yell because I love you.`
`20:02.26`	`Tepet\|Work`	`verxion: What will it do for me?`
`20:02.33`	`Zeal`	`when it doesn't fail verxion :P`
`20:02.34`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Will it make me have to install a new database?`
`20:02.44`	`Tepet\|Work`	`And get it working?`
`20:02.49`	`Tepet\|Work`	`And convert everything over to it?`
`20:02.51`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: it does the installation for you`
`20:02.52`	`Zeal`	`beleive verxion is suggesting you use mysql instead.`
`20:02.56`	`verxion`	`assuming mysql is installed on the box`
`20:02.57`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I see.`
`20:03.00`	`Tepet\|Work`	`It's not.`
`20:03.08`	`verxion`	`well installing mysql is cake`
`20:03.09`	`Tepet\|Work`	`PostgreSQL is.`
`20:03.25`	`verxion`	`postgreSQL is just about dead for web stuff imho`
`20:03.45`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Here we go.`
`20:03.55`	`verxion`	`?`
`20:04.08`	`Zeal`	`i've never had to get into the nitty gritty thankfully. CPanel and phpMyAdmin`
`20:04.16`	`verxion`	`Zeal: EXACTLY`
`20:04.21`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Everybody has an opinion about what I need to do instead of using what I've got.`
`20:04.25`	`verxion`	`I mean the commandline mysqladmin is there if you need it`
`20:04.35`	`verxion`	`but with phpmyadmin you don't need it for almost everything`
`20:04.41`	`Tepet\|Work`	`So instead of, for example, people telling me how to get my Subaru working, they tell me to go out and buy a VW.`
`20:04.57`	`equiraptor`	`That would be a bad trade off.`
`20:05.07`	`Zeal`	`well thats because the alternative is for you to make your own car Tepet\|Work ;)`
`20:05.24`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Or I could...get the Subaru working.`
`20:05.27`	`Zeal`	`or convert the subaru :P`
`20:05.33`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: well if you were one of the 12 people on the planet with a suburu and 99% of people on the planet were using the VW, it would be (as in this case) good advice`
`20:05.41`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: that said, suburu's rock! :)`
`20:06.00`	`Tepet\|Work`	`It could use some work.`
`20:06.03`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: though I have to say, the VW commercials rock`
`20:06.04`	`verxion`	`:)`
`20:06.16`	`Tepet\|Work`	`But it's still superior to a VW, especially on ice and snow.`
`20:06.17`	`Tepet\|Work`	`heh`
`20:06.20`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: wouldn't make me BUY a VW, just saying, the commercials ROCK`
`20:06.20`	`verxion`	`:)`
`20:06.52`	`equiraptor`	`The commercials are lame and my mechanic won't touch VWs. :-P`
`20:07.34`	`verxion`	`equiraptor: hehehe`
`20:08.00`	`verxion`	`the one in the back of the car and wot not`
`20:08.10`	`equiraptor`	`However, my mechanic likes the same kind of car as me, so all is well.`
`20:08.20`	`equiraptor`	`In fact, his old engine is in my car, now. :)`
`20:08.30`	`Tepet\|Work`	`There, see?`
`20:08.52`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I used to have a "mechanic" for my PostgreSQL.`
`20:09.11`	`equiraptor`	`Uh oh....`
`20:09.12`	`Tepet\|Work`	`But anyway.`
`20:09.19`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Enough of my ridiculous analogies.`
`20:09.33`	`equiraptor`	`decibel / decibull / thecougar on that other network may be able to help you, some.`
`20:09.53`	`Tepet\|Work`	`"Because it's more popular" is not usually a good reason for me to decide to use something.`
`20:10.03`	`equiraptor`	`But he works for a company that charges for PGSQL support, too (or used to), so I'm not sure how much help he could give without feeling like he was stepping on their toes.`
`20:10.34`	`sancus`	`"because you can much more easily find software to use that doesn't require an expert" is a very good reason to use something.`
`20:10.41`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: I shall tell you a story`
`20:10.48`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Nooooo...not story time...`
`20:10.50`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: one which you can ignore because it is semi long`
`20:10.58`	`sancus`	`personally, if I were doing a new site, I would use postgresql`
`20:11.00`	`verxion`	`it begins when I was but a small child`
`20:11.09`	`verxion`	`My father took our family camping`
`20:11.11`	`sancus`	`but if you aren't prepared to write SQL and shit, you really shouldn't use it`
`20:11.18`	`verxion`	`and I learned over the years what it was to camp`
`20:11.21`	`verxion`	`you "roughed" it`
`20:11.29`	`verxion`	`you sleep on the rocks`
`20:11.32`	`verxion`	`your tent is small`
`20:11.45`	`verxion`	`you use the woods as your restroom`
`20:11.47`	`verxion`	`etc. etc.`
`20:11.49`	`equiraptor`	`You only sleep on the rocks if you're too lazy to move them / pick a bad site.`
`20:11.50`	`verxion`	`then I got married`
`20:11.52`	`Tepet\|Work`	`verxion: And they installed a server in a tent with PostgreSQL on it and you still have to go out and administer it and fight the bears off?`
`20:12.04`	`verxion`	`my wife had some camping requirements`
`20:12.04`	`equiraptor`	`We went camping a lot as I grew up, and I never had to sleep on rocks. :-P`
`20:12.16`	`verxion`	`she wanted tents that you could stand up in when you got dressed`
`20:12.23`	`verxion`	`she wanted an air mattress to sleep on`
`20:12.36`	`verxion`	`she wanted to be able to take a shower while camping`
`20:12.38`	`verxion`	`etc. etc.`
`20:12.46`	`verxion`	`at first, I resisted`
`20:12.46`	`Zeal`	`don't get married? :P`
`20:12.47`	`verxion`	`I said`
`20:12.51`	`verxion`	`"That isn't CAMPING!"`
`20:12.56`	`sancus`	`your story is long and pointless`
`20:12.57`	`verxion`	`but I tried it`
`20:13.33`	`Tepet\|Work`	`verxion: She wants an RV camper thingy?`
`20:13.33`	`verxion`	`and lo and behold`
`20:13.33`	`verxion`	`it was good`
`20:13.33`	`verxion`	`:)`
`20:13.33`	`verxion`	`that and the simple fact that sex is easier on an air mattress than in a sleeping bag on dirt`
`20:13.49`	`verxion`	`but I digress`
`20:13.49`	`verxion`	`....`
`20:13.49`	`Tepet\|Work`	`hahaha`
`20:13.49`	`Zeal`	`lol`
`20:13.56`	`sancus`	`anyway`
`20:13.57`	`verxion`	`sancus: I thank you for your evaluation of my story. Good day. :)`
`20:13.59`	`sancus`	`if you want a pgsql web admin tool`
`20:14.06`	`sancus`	`use http://phppgadmin.sourceforge.net/`
`20:14.24`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Well, here's my point of view.`
`20:14.50`	`Tepet\|Work`	`PostgreSQL is this thing I installed once with help from an ex-BF because it was a requirement for the webmail I was using.`
`20:15.11`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: and you are INFINITELY more familiar with it than you are with mysql`
`20:15.14`	`Tepet\|Work`	`So all I ever really do with it is make sure it is running and working.`
`20:15.36`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I know that I tried to install MySQL on my server once.`
`20:15.41`	`Tepet\|Work`	`And it said the port was broken.`
`20:15.52`	`verxion`	`the port was broken?`
`20:16.16`	`Tepet\|Work`	`And I frowned and said, "Oh well. I'll just keep using PostgreSQL because it's probably easier in the long run."`
`20:16.33`	`Tepet\|Work`	`And several smart people I know said, "PostgreSQL is better than MySQL anyway."`
`20:16.43`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: well imho, there is no lack of capability in postgresql`
`20:16.56`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: the issue is simply one of where the most expertise lies`
`20:16.56`	`equiraptor`	`verxion: Tep runs FreeBSD. The mysql port (rough equivalent of an rpm or debian package) was broken.`
`20:16.59`	`verxion`	`where the most help lies`
`20:17.00`	`verxion`	`etc.`
`20:17.06`	`sancus`	`it is, but it doesnt really matter if it's better or not if you can't find software that works with it to do what you want :p`
`20:17.10`	`Tepet\|Work`	`verxion: FreeBSD. Ports, like...yeah. What equiraptor said.`
`20:17.12`	`verxion`	`equiraptor: why not install from source. . . .`
`20:17.20`	`equiraptor`	`verxion: That's what Ports IS.`
`20:17.30`	`verxion`	`equiraptor: welllllllll`
`20:17.39`	`verxion`	`if you grab the mysql source`
`20:17.39`	`equiraptor`	`verxion: Also, if you go around installing things from source on FreeBSD without doing it through Ports, you can mangle your system.`
`20:17.42`	`verxion`	`it comes in a tgz`
`20:17.43`	`verxion`	`not an rpm`
`20:17.44`	`verxion`	`:)`
`20:17.51`	`Tepet\|Work`	`equiraptor: This is true.`
`20:17.53`	`equiraptor`	`verxion: Learn something about ports. Stop being ignorant.`
`20:17.53`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Very true.`
`20:17.59`	`verxion`	`equiraptor: thank ye`
`20:18.04`	`equiraptor`	`verxion: The Port downloads the .tgz. :-P`
`20:18.06`	`Tepet\|Work`	`And I now have a mangled system.`
`20:18.14`	`sancus`	`who installs shit from source without using a package management system`
`20:18.14`	`Tepet\|Work`	`And it is difficult for me to install/upgrade things.`
`20:18.16`	`sancus`	`thats just ridiculous`
`20:18.22`	`verxion`	`equiraptor: if you can't install from source on freebsd then I truly have no need to learn about Ports. :)`
`20:18.22`	`Tepet\|Work`	`My server is EOL`
`20:18.24`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Bigtime`
`20:18.39`	`equiraptor`	`verxion: You don't understand. Using ports IS installing from source.`
`20:18.46`	`equiraptor`	`verxion: It compiles it on your system for you.`
`20:18.55`	`Tepet\|Work`	`It's confusing and I still don't understand it all.`
`20:19.06`	`verxion`	`sancus: the answer would be he who runs an OS that isn't used by enough people to warrant a pre-built working package!`
`20:19.07`	`equiraptor`	`verxion: In fact, depending on how you use ports, you even still do "make" and "make install".`
`20:19.09`	`verxion`	`rofl`
`20:19.23`	`verxion`	`equiraptor: well that sounds good at least.`
`20:19.26`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I do...`
`20:19.28`	`equiraptor`	`verxion: FreeBSD also has pre-built packages for just about everything in Ports.`
`20:19.40`	`equiraptor`	`verxion: So, please, go learn something about FreeBSD, or shuttup. Stop making ignorant statements.`
`20:19.51`	`verxion`	`from what I personally know of freebsd, I find it VERY unlikely that there isn't a pre-built working package for mysql`
`20:20.08`	`Tepet\|Work`	`There is a pre-built working package.`
`20:20.09`	`verxion`	`not saying there is one for sure cuz I don't know; I am merely VERY surprised`
`20:20.12`	`Tepet\|Work`	`But just not one I can use.`
`20:20.29`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Kinda like there were working RPMs for my old redHate system.`
`20:20.37`	`Tepet\|Work`	`But not ones I could use.`
`20:20.37`	`Tepet\|Work`	`heh`
`20:20.42`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Because it was EOL as well.`
`20:20.50`	`equiraptor`	`Uh oh. I think it's time for me to update Ridge.`
`20:20.56`	`verxion`	`equiraptor: once I begin making ignorant statements, I will most assuredly begin trying to stop. :)`
`20:21.10`	`equiraptor`	`verxion: You already have made a number of ignorant statements.`
`20:21.14`	`sancus`	`verxion: For all your talk about postgresql is dead, using an os that doesn't have enough people using it that there aren't any pre-build packages seems like going against your own advice :P`
`20:21.17`	`equiraptor`	`I guess your ignorance was so great you didn't realise it.`
`20:21.19`	`verxion`	`equiraptor: thank you for your assessment. :)`
`20:21.28`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I have a very old server.`
`20:21.31`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Old hardware.`
`20:21.35`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: I see`
`20:21.38`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Old FreeBSD release.`
`20:21.41`	`verxion`	`is it a colo?`
`20:21.44`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Yup.`
`20:21.47`	`Tepet\|Work`	`And guess where it is?`
`20:21.48`	`verxion`	`well`
`20:21.56`	`verxion`	`I know all of you will tell me I am nuts and crazy`
`20:21.58`	`verxion`	`but on old hardware`
`20:22.02`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Very very far from here.`
`20:22.07`	`verxion`	`I generally compile source`
`20:22.17`	`verxion`	`it works quite well for me`
`20:22.27`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Okay...`
`20:22.37`	`equiraptor`	`Which is what tep was trying to do by trying to install from ports, rather than installing the package.`
`20:22.55`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Doesn't source still have dependencies?`
`20:23.00`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: ALWAYS`
`20:23.10`	`Tepet\|Work`	`So there are still all these other little things interconnected...`
`20:23.16`	`Tepet\|Work`	`That it looks for...`
`20:23.19`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: often if you don't have the dependencies you need to compile other things`
`20:23.20`	`sancus`	`there's always dependencies on *unix`
`20:23.27`	`verxion`	`but that is the price you pay for not "staying with the times"`
`20:23.29`	`Tepet\|Work`	`yes`
`20:23.33`	`verxion`	`ie, not having new hardware and new OS and such`
`20:23.37`	`equiraptor`	`FreeBSD has precompiled packages for mysql for FreeBSD 6.x.`
`20:23.39`	`Tepet\|Work`	`And one of the prices is not being able to install MySQL.`
`20:23.40`	`Tepet\|Work`	`HAH`
`20:23.42`	`equiraptor`	`Surprized, verxion?`
`20:23.52`	`verxion`	`equiraptor: no, quite the contrary`
`20:23.56`	`verxion`	`as I said before`
`20:24.02`	`verxion`	`I would be surprised if that WASN'T the case`
`20:24.04`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I do not have FreeBSD 6.x`
`20:24.35`	`Tepet\|Work`	`My server is currently in a colo.`
`20:24.35`	`equiraptor`	`Yup. Tep's on 4.x`
`20:24.36`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: most colos I am aware of will swap hardware for you for not much money`
`20:24.41`	`Tepet\|Work`	`It is on the opposite side of the US from me.`
`20:24.46`	`Tepet\|Work`	`And it is free.`
`20:24.53`	`verxion`	`what I have typically done is either done the hardware swap myself or had them do it`
`20:24.53`	`Tepet\|Work`	`It is hosted by a former employer.`
`20:25.02`	`verxion`	`I just build the replacement box, configure it, etc.`
`20:25.27`	`verxion`	`in the cases where for whatever reason I couldn't do that for a period of time`
`20:25.34`	`verxion`	`I compile from source in the meantime`
`20:25.35`	`verxion`	`:)`
`20:25.37`	`Tepet\|Work`	`If I were still an employee, I'm sure they'd help me with that, too.`
`20:25.50`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: yes, free has its own set of issues`
`20:25.52`	`verxion`	`but free is good`
`20:25.52`	`verxion`	`:)`
`20:25.57`	`Tepet\|Work`	`As it stands, I'm lucky I'm not paying for the space/bandwidth.`
`20:26.08`	`verxion`	`I have MANY friends that work at EasyNews here in Phoenix`
`20:26.09`	`Tepet\|Work`	`And I'm lucky the darned box runs at all.`
`20:26.11`	`verxion`	`they all have free colos`
`20:26.22`	`equiraptor`	`NAT sucks.`
`20:26.36`	`verxion`	`the bandwidth they have is pretty unreal`
`20:26.40`	`Tepet\|Work`	`There are reasons why I do most of what I do.`
`20:26.48`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Not all of them the best.`
`20:26.51`	`verxion`	`Tepet\|Work: as is true of most people. :)`
`20:27.16`	`verxion`	`just for example`
`20:27.21`	`verxion`	`I am going to go get something to eat`
`20:27.24`	`verxion`	`and the reason is`
`20:27.26`	`verxion`	`I be hungry`
`20:27.27`	`verxion`	`:)`
`20:27.43`	`verxion`	`see ya all when I get home`
`20:27.46`	`Tepet\|Work`	`bye`
`20:27.53`	`verxion`	`oh, and while I am gone`
`20:28.11`	`verxion`	`feel free to talk about how insane I am for compiling source code`
`20:28.11`	`verxion`	`:)`
`20:28.20`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I don't care.`
`20:28.26`	`equiraptor`	`I don't understand why people think, "Just use Y" is a reasonable response to, "I'm having troubles with X."`
`20:28.33`	`Tepet\|Work`	`EXACTLY`
`20:28.50`	`verxion`	`equiraptor: mostly just experience.`
`20:29.02`	`equiraptor`	`"Have you thought about using Y?" seems less... condescending.`
`20:29.18`	`equiraptor`	`Doesn't make the assumption that the person doesn't have reasons for wanting to use X.`
`20:29.39`	`verxion`	`equiraptor: good points, both`
`20:29.40`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Yeah, but using X on a server DOES suck.`
`20:29.59`	`equiraptor`	`X is the second worst windowing system in the world!`
`20:30.35`	`equiraptor`	`The only problem is, all the others are tied for first. :(`
`20:30.35`	`Tepet\|Work`	`hahaha!`
`20:31.24`	`equiraptor`	`"I think knowing what you're talking about on IRC violates the RFC" <--- fitting for today. ;)`
`20:33.01`	`equiraptor`	`"Having a low Slashdot ID is like being proud of having boarded the Titanic first." That one always makes me laugh.`
`20:42.43`	`sancus`	`heh`
`20:42.56`	`sancus`	`I do my best to avoid ever clicking on links to slashdot or typing it into my address bar!`
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`20:43.37`	`vlad_`	`hmm.`
`20:47.35`	`equiraptor`	`Slashdot banned dazed.notslacker.com`
`20:47.42`	`equiraptor`	`dazed.notslacker.com handles NAT for our house.`
`20:47.47`	`equiraptor`	`We cannot go to slashdot.`
`20:48.21`	`equiraptor`	`(except they banned by IP, so when Nugget switched the domain from slacker.com.notslacker.com, we were still banned. :( )`
`20:50.33`	`*** mode/#wowwiki [+o vlad_] by ChanServ`
`20:50.44`	`vlad_`	`somone please yell at me if the wiki starts giving the too many db connections error again`
`20:51.09`	`vlad_`	`my stupid monitoring script wasn't screaming at me like it should have been, since the wiki was still returning a real html page =/`
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`20:58.44`	`Zeal`	`:o`
`21:02.31`	`Tepet\|Work`	`equiraptor: Why were you banned?`
`21:02.45`	`equiraptor`	`They say there are too many hits/second from that IP.`
`21:02.59`	`sancus`	`oh noes, banned from slashdot`
`21:03.03`	`sancus`	`how horrible`
`21:03.08`	`kindergip`	`digg it`
`21:03.13`	`equiraptor`	`For a while, nugget had a script running that queried things. Nugget killed the script.`
`21:03.24`	`equiraptor`	`They still say there are too many hits/second, even now. We don't know what it is.`
`21:04.14`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Gryphen was being too clever and worried me unnecessarily about my site. :(`
`21:04.24`	`Gryphen`	`:o`
`21:04.34`	`equiraptor`	`I'm updating my box to FBSD 6.2, and may compile the NAT stuff into the kernel then. Maybe I'll end up handling NAT for us, especially if FreeBSD 6 can handle the fancy iChat stuff that FreeBSD 4.x can't.`
`21:04.39`	`Tepet\|Work`	`When you said my vent info was visible on my home page.`
`21:05.04`	`Gryphen`	`i just did a search for tep and found noob squad saw vent info figured it was you`
`21:05.07`	`Tepet\|Work`	`But you were just being clever and googled me and found my old guild.`
`21:05.07`	`Tepet\|Work`	`heh`
`21:05.13`	`Gryphen`	`:)`
`21:05.29`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I did a lot for The Noob Squad.`
`21:05.38`	`Tepet\|Work`	`So I will have a lot of hits with them showing up.`
`21:05.53`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I was their recruiter and then some.`
`21:05.53`	`Tepet\|Work`	`heh`
`21:06.11`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I dunno.`
`21:06.22`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I didn't like having the Vent info visible for just any old person wandering past.`
`21:06.39`	`kindergip`	`as an "old" preson should I tak eoffence?`
`21:06.59`	`Tepet\|Work`	`<-- 36 years old.`
`21:07.00`	`kindergip`	`five decades?`
`21:07.07`	`Tepet\|Work`	`nah`
`21:07.42`	`Zeal`	`how much info are you displaying Tepet\|Work?`
`21:07.43`	`kindergip`	`35-36 is the3 bridge age to my son....20ish`
`21:07.56`	`Tepet\|Work`	`hm`
`21:08.03`	`Zeal`	`i merely status, user count, and a link to it.`
`21:08.08`	`Zeal`	`*merely showed`
`21:08.09`	`Tepet\|Work`	`My new site is still under construction.`
`21:08.22`	`Tepet\|Work`	`And I am using a template from my Vent host.`
`21:08.30`	`Tepet\|Work`	`It shows everything.`
`21:08.34`	`Tepet\|Work`	`well`
`21:08.37`	`kindergip`	`me have new site too`
`21:08.38`	`Tepet\|Work`	`It shows channels and users.`
`21:08.45`	`Tepet\|Work`	`ooh`
`21:08.46`	`Zeal`	`i see`
`21:08.52`	`Zeal`	`i left that stuff to backend.`
`21:08.52`	`kindergip`	`pretty lameo atm`
`21:09.01`	`Tepet\|Work`	`My site's kinda lame.`
`21:09.02`	`Tepet\|Work`	`heh`
`21:09.14`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I'm trying to get all the addons I need.`
`21:09.42`	`kindergip`	`one claim to fame`
`21:09.44`	`kindergip`	`Jahk and Thundar`
`21:09.56`	`kindergip`	`all running on drupal...open source`
`21:10.05`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Hey, mine's Drupal, too.`
`21:10.09`	`kindergip`	`:)`
`21:10.14`	`Tepet\|Work`	`5.1`
`21:10.14`	`kindergip`	`great minds....`
`21:10.21`	`Tepet\|Work`	`But..PostgreSQL`
`21:10.30`	`kindergip`	`or stagnating petrifying`
`21:10.45`	`Tepet\|Work`	`whaaa`
`21:10.57`	`kindergip`	`how aobut shrinkage....starting that yet?`
`21:11.04`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Shrinkage?`
`21:11.08`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Yeah.`
`21:11.09`	`kindergip`	`penile....`
`21:11.15`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I have no penis.`
`21:11.17`	`Tepet\|Work`	`So you could say so.`
`21:11.25`	`kindergip`	`oh....good one then...you're immunie`
`21:11.35`	`Tepet\|Work`	`But I used to be 5'5"`
`21:11.50`	`kindergip`	`copper wire incident?`
`21:12.13`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Copper wire...?`
`21:12.30`	`kindergip`	`around here they're raiding sub stations for copper wire.....`
`21:12.49`	`kindergip`	`must be to pay their monthlies`
`21:14.17`	`kindergip`	`stealing copper wire from electrical substations.....`
`21:14.29`	`kindergip`	`losing fingers, extremities and lives.....`
`21:14.52`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Oh my.`
`21:15.01`	`Tepet\|Work`	`To recycle or something for money?`
`21:15.09`	`kindergip`	`yuppers`
`21:15.16`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Wow.`
`21:15.23`	`kindergip`	`z'actly`
`21:15.27`	`Tepet\|Work`	`No, I'm female. Born without a penis to shrink.`
`21:15.35`	`kindergip`	`oh`
`21:15.39`	`kindergip`	`oops`
`21:15.58`	`Zeal`	`lies, no womens on the internet :P`
`21:16.17`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Okay.`
`21:16.21`	`Zeal`	`hehe`
`21:16.22`	`kindergip`	`I dunno....your mom is always bragging about you`
`21:16.59`	`Zeal`	`yeah.. >_>`
`21:17.32`	`kindergip`	`look her up.....zeal'smom on #braggingroomformomas`
`21:17.58`	`kindergip`	`our site is wowdailynews.com`
`21:18.05`	`kindergip`	`on drupal host site too`
`21:18.18`	`Zeal`	`you're being a pirck because?`
`21:18.22`	`Zeal`	`*prick`
`21:18.32`	`kindergip`	`but.... warning is still being built`
`21:18.49`	`kindergip`	`me.....a prick.....you are mistaken.....I am something far far worse.....`
`21:19.30`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Troll?`
`21:19.33`	`kindergip`	`yes`
`21:19.37`	`kindergip`	`how did you know`
`21:19.51`	`Zeal`	`they go hand in hand`
`21:20.04`	`kindergip`	`this Tepet\|Work might be a female after all......she is very smart`
`21:20.20`	`Zeal`	`i know she is..`
`21:20.25`	`Zeal`	`it was a joke`
`21:20.29`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Treacherous fish...I'll stab 'em...in the back!`
`21:20.30`	`kindergip`	`so what happens in this channel`
`21:20.32`	`Zeal`	`hence the ":P" and the "hehe"`
`21:20.38`	`Tepet\|Work`	`We backstab fish in the face.`
`21:20.45`	`kindergip`	`cool.....`
`21:20.49`	`Zeal`	`mostly idling`
`21:20.56`	`kindergip`	`you can identify with the character then....`
`21:21.30`	`Zeal`	`discussion of wiki matters some times.. otheres random things like hosting, operating systems.. lol`
`21:21.42`	`kindergip`	`I am just looking about for the WoW community`
`21:21.52`	`kindergip`	`from my ppc Amiga`
`21:21.59`	`Tepet\|Work`	`wait wait`
`21:22.01`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Kingergip`
`21:22.05`	`Tepet\|Work`	`er, kindergip`
`21:22.06`	`Tepet\|Work`	`geez`
`21:22.06`	`kindergip`	`right next to my sun ultra2`
`21:22.10`	`tliff`	`most of the time we exchange funny pictures of kittens`
`21:22.20`	`kindergip`	`cool.....shaved ones?`
`21:22.28`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Trimmed.`
`21:22.43`	`kindergip`	`trimmed shaved....just a half inch either way`
`21:23.10`	`Tepet\|Work`	`That's what your mo-- oh, no. That's too easy.`
`21:23.21`	`kindergip`	`:)`
`21:23.29`	`Tepet\|Work`	`But what I was going to say.`
`21:23.31`	`Tepet\|Work`	`A suggestion, really.`
`21:23.41`	`kindergip`	`yes`
`21:23.43`	`Tepet\|Work`	`There's actually a really nice configuration option where you can "disable" your site.`
`21:23.47`	`Zeal`	`anyways.. slow day yet again (what is with that lately? :s) so some wow time.`
`21:23.48`	`Tepet\|Work`	`In Drupal.`
`21:23.56`	`kindergip`	`disable?`
`21:24.01`	`Tepet\|Work`	`But it's still visible to admins who are logged in.`
`21:24.05`	`Tepet\|Work`	`yeah`
`21:24.17`	`Zeal`	`well it's not exactly hard ;)`
`21:24.24`	`kindergip`	`no...launch is launch...start small build bigger`
`21:24.36`	`kindergip`	`focus eventually`
`21:24.53`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Under Site maintenance`
`21:24.56`	`kindergip`	`we had it running on jeremy's server for quite a while figuring it out`
`21:25.16`	`Tepet\|Work`	`When set to "Online", all visitors will be able to browse your site normally. When set to "Off-line", only users with the "administer site configuration" permission will be able to access your site to perform maintenance; all other visitors will see the site off-line message configured below. Authorized users can log in during "Off-line" mode directly via the user login page.`
`21:25.31`	`Tepet\|Work`	`So you can even set a nice "offline" message.`
`21:25.44`	`kindergip`	`we have no other authorized users`
`21:25.53`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Yeah, but`
`21:25.58`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Keeps people from wandering in.`
`21:26.04`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I thought it was a really cool feature.`
`21:26.08`	`Tepet\|Work`	`And then I forgot to use it.`
`21:26.08`	`Tepet\|Work`	`heh`
`21:26.20`	`kindergip`	`and one of the goals is to document the growth curve in response to certain stimuli`
`21:27.39`	`kindergip`	`what OS's does everyone use?`
`21:28.21`	`kindergip`	`damn....sparc crapped out.....`
`21:28.23`	`Tepet\|Work`	`FreeBSD, Debian Linux, Windows XP, DOS 6.22...`
`21:28.40`	`kindergip`	`AmigaOS :)`
`21:28.44`	`Tepet\|Work`	`heh`
`21:29.02`	`Tepet\|Work`	`hm`
`21:29.03`	`Tepet\|Work`	`hey`
`21:29.16`	`Tepet\|Work`	`You know, I bet you can put an agi enchant on a fishing pole.`
`21:29.29`	`equiraptor`	`FreeBSD, Gentoo Linux, Mac OS X, Windows XP, with Red Hat ES, SUSE EL, and windows 2000 and 2003 servers at work.`
`21:29.32`	`Tepet\|Work`	`What are the mats for +agi to two-handed?`
`21:29.33`	`kindergip`	`arstechnica has Jeremy's latest OS Final writeup....still no new hardware`
`21:29.53`	`kindergip`	`fishing pole stuff is one of my son's bits of happiness....`
`21:29.54`	`Tepet\|Work`	`She asked, feeling too lazy to query online databases.`
`21:30.54`	`kindergip`	`I haven't been very successful getting linux onto my sparc.....`
`21:31.38`	`equiraptor`	`I've run Solaris a time or two, too.`
`21:32.02`	`kindergip`	`cool`
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`21:32.28`	`equiraptor`	`Do they release any free solaris for sparc?`
`21:32.41`	`kindergip`	`picked up this sparc 2 ultra dual296/800M RAM dual scsi`
`21:32.48`	`kindergip`	`yes...personal use`
`21:33.01`	`equiraptor`	`Could you use that, instead of Linux?`
`21:33.05`	`kindergip`	`runnning 10 atm`
`21:33.06`	`equiraptor`	`(Oh, god, how I hate sparc)`
`21:33.10`	`equiraptor`	`Ah.`
`21:33.17`	`equiraptor`	`Er, hate solaris.`
`21:33.26`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Cell phone mysteriously rings.`
`21:33.35`	`kindergip`	`yes...but to date no linux will install .....`
`21:33.41`	`Tepet\|Work`	`A male voice asks clearly, "Hello. Can I please speak with Lolita?"`
`21:33.42`	`Tepet\|Work`	`...`
`21:33.47`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Lolita...`
`21:33.47`	`equiraptor`	`Uhhhh....`
`21:33.47`	`kindergip`	`ha`
`21:33.50`	`equiraptor`	`Ummm....`
`21:33.55`	`equiraptor`	`Uh huh.`
`21:34.08`	`equiraptor`	`Unfortunately, I have no experience with Linux on Sparc. :(`
`21:34.16`	`kindergip`	`me either :)`
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`21:34.30`	`kindergip`	`well...just a couple of distros....but none booted`
`21:34.30`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Usually I get the random "Yo. Is Taniqua there?" in muffled tones.`
`21:34.58`	`equiraptor`	`Some random phone number called my cell, one day. This was a year after I had the number.`
`21:34.58`	`Tepet\|Work`	`(I think that really was one of the names they asked for"`
`21:35.00`	`Tepet\|Work`	`er )`
`21:35.05`	`equiraptor`	`Figuring they were looking for me, I called back.`
`21:35.26`	`equiraptor`	`The guy who answered yelled at me for calling, saying he never called this number and he has kids, he doesnt have TIME for this!`
`21:35.35`	`Tepet\|Work`	`...`
`21:35.42`	`sancus`	`lol`
`21:36.03`	`kindergip`	`uhm`
`21:36.11`	`equiraptor`	`Dumb guy I guess didn't stop to think that maybe his wife (assuming he has one) or one of the kids called, or that he might have misdialed.`
`21:36.24`	`equiraptor`	`So I get chewed out for trying to be nice and return a phone call.`
`21:36.30`	`kindergip`	`two tents.....`
`21:37.44`	`kindergip`	`wigwamteepeewigwamteepeewigwamteepee`
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`21:41.56`	`Tepet\|Work`	`heh`
`21:42.24`	`kindergip`	`stressed out daddy man methinks`
`21:45.06`	`kindergip`	`anyone have any good WoW websites to check out?`
`21:45.14`	`Tepet\|Work`	`wowwiki`
`21:45.18`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I hear it's good.`
`21:45.21`	`kindergip`	`should get back to primary research purpose...`
`21:45.36`	`kindergip`	`been there came here....me you guys....and girls...`
`21:45.44`	`kindergip`	`<t>`
`21:45.45`	`Tepet\|Work`	`What kind of site?`
`21:46.09`	`kindergip`	`I'm on general search for edges.....want to map the space so to speak`
`21:46.22`	`kindergip`	`then I can look in more depth`
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`21:50.00`	`sancus`	`no way man`
`21:50.02`	`sancus`	`wowwiki sucks`
`21:50.08`	`stoicmt`	`B&`
`21:50.20`	`sancus`	`full of inaccurate info, anyone can edit it, can't trust that crazy shit!`
`21:50.51`	`kindergip`	`like wikipedia.....six times the size of britannica`
`21:50.57`	`kindergip`	`far more errors`
`21:50.59`	`kindergip`	`but`
`21:51.12`	`kindergip`	`gets corrected far faster than britiannica`
`21:51.14`	`sancus`	`thats actually funny`
`21:51.18`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I use WowWiki, Allakhazam, Thottbot`
`21:51.21`	`sancus`	`someone did a study of wikipedia`
`21:51.48`	`sancus`	`and found that there werent actually significantly more errors than britannica, or I actually can't remember what encyclopedia they compared to`
`21:53.11`	`kindergip`	`3 per whatever brit 4 per whatever wiki....but brit kept their errors`
`21:53.28`	`Kirochi`	`just wtf is britannica ?`
`21:53.36`	`sancus`	`er`
`21:53.44`	`sancus`	`the encyclopedia britannica`
`21:53.56`	`kindergip`	`hard copy encyclopedi which went online....costs are charged for better info at greater depth`
`21:54.03`	`kindergip`	`open source vs proprietary`
`21:54.37`	`sancus`	`it's basically the most ubiquitous hard copy encyclopedia`
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`21:55.09`	`kindergip`	`thottbot was intersting....for me....as a non player....allakazam....hmmmtnx`
`21:56.55`	`kindergip`	`oh good gosh.....it's 2pm.....lifemust go on....time for some chicken/prawn noodle stir fry`
`21:57.30`	`Kirochi`	`and you call this a life ?`
`21:57.51`	`Kirochi`	`x)`
`21:58.01`	`Tepet\|Work`	`I find them useful for different things.`
`21:58.07`	`kindergip`	`heh....big wok...nice portions....`
`21:58.21`	`kindergip`	`quality controlled....`
`21:58.23`	`Kirochi`	`must ... reach the pan ... aaaarrggghh`
`21:58.27`	`kindergip`	`yah,,,,,`
`21:58.48`	`kindergip`	`5 decades has taught me what is important....looks down over stomach bulge....`
`21:58.53`	`MeStinkBAD`	`I have some questions about macros`
`21:58.57`	`Kirochi`	`... without leaving the PC .... euughhh`
`21:59.38`	`kindergip`	`nice people here it seems....I think I will hang.....`
`22:00.37`	`Kirochi`	`... yourself ?`
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`22:06.49`	`MeStinkBAD`	`What scale do you set the UI?`
`22:07.15`	`zeal`	`w/e is comfortable at your resolution`
`22:07.33`	`MeStinkBAD`	`I mean you specifically?`
`22:08.45`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Time to go.`
`22:08.45`	`Tepet\|Work`	`Later.`
`22:09.05`	`zeal`	`er.. w/e is the lowest iirc`
`22:09.06`	`zeal`	`:S`
`22:09.09`	`zeal`	`let me check`
`22:10.02`	`zeal`	`yeah, 1280x960 (windowed, maximized), i have it at 0.64, the lowest.`
`22:10.44`	`MeStinkBAD`	`Why Windowed Maximized?`
`22:11.53`	`zeal`	`easier to switch windows when chatting`
`22:12.14`	`zeal`	`not in-game maximized.. that seems pointless when windowed :S`
`22:12.18`	`zeal`	`jsut the window itself.`
`22:12.48`	`MeStinkBAD`	`I find that my framerate drops when in Windowed mode (Well in Windows... not so much in the Mac version)`
`22:13.06`	`zeal`	`can't say i've noticed tbh`
`22:13.11`	`zeal`	`but never really compared`
`22:14.15`	`Kirochi`	`Britannica's not free`
`22:14.53`	`zeal`	`it nearly halves, you're right`
`22:14.54`	`zeal`	`heh`
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`22:15.11`	`zeal`	`that would be why i had to retweak my settings`
`22:15.13`	`zeal`	`:p`
`22:15.45`	`zeal`	`yay, now i can put terrein distance back to full`
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`22:21.10`	`ckknight`	`hello, friends`
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`22:28.54`	`ckknight`	`hey, is there any particular way to put standards documents up on wowwiki?`
`22:29.24`	`ckknight`	`cause I put http://www.wowwiki.com/GetMinimapShape up, but there may be a better way to do it`
`22:29.44`	`ckknight`	`I'm planning on moving a few standards from wowace to wowwiki`
`22:33.21`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`omg, ckknight`
`22:33.29`	`ckknight`	`hrm?`
`22:33.44`	`ckknight`	`there's like 3 more standards I want to move`
`22:33.53`	`ckknight`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Library_Header`
`22:34.03`	`ckknight`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Ace2_Categories`
`22:34.12`	`ckknight`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceOptions_data_table (which'd be renamed or so)`
`22:34.29`	`ckknight`	`oh, and http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Coding_Tips would be useful to have on wowwiki instead of wowace`
`22:34.58`	`ckknight`	`why the "omg"?`
`22:35.03`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`heh`
`22:35.18`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Sorry, am wrestling with my Uni's website atm`
`22:35.33`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`There isn't really a 'way' to do it`
`22:35.55`	`ckknight`	`k...`
`22:36.01`	`ckknight`	`well, is there a page that has a list of standards?`
`22:36.15`	`ckknight`	`such as cladhaire's ClickCastFrame and such`
`22:36.26`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`If onyl Mikk was here, he's been around that section`
`22:36.40`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Best_Practices ?`
`22:36.53`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`There's various stuff linked from http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_Customization`
`22:37.05`	`MeStinkBAD`	`How do you use /click ?`
`22:37.51`	`ckknight`	`okay, I'm just gonna start sticking up standards, but I think there should be a page that lists standards.`
`22:38.00`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Policy and guideline-wise, we only have http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:How_to_edit_API_pages and http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:AddOn_pages`
`22:38.21`	`ckknight`	`which mine fall into neither`
`22:38.55`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`indeed`
`22:39.16`	`ckknight`	`oh, and http://www.wowace.com/wiki/TOC_Metadata`
`22:39.24`	`MeStinkBAD`	`awhy are you chatting if your "\|afk" ^^?`
`22:39.54`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`ARGH! GFSJGFHDKJFGHS!! Sodding Uni email grrraaah`
`22:40.39`	`ckknight`	`where's Tekkub, he made most of this stuff`
`22:41.03`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Tek is normally on here`
`22:41.06`	`Karrion`	`ckknight: I'd say just stick them up and use a category to group/list them`
`22:41.18`	`ckknight`	`alright`
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`22:41.52`	`Karrion`	`I'm not sure exactly what you'd call said category though`
`22:42.04`	`Hobinheim`	`i'm getting depressed and irate about the frequent outages`
`22:42.07`	`Hobinheim`	`anyone else?`
`22:42.10`	`ckknight`	`Standards?`
`22:42.18`	`ckknight`	`Addon Standards`
`22:43.11`	`Karrion`	`kinda need to distinguish that they're adhoc rather than blizz defined though`
`22:43.26`	`zeal`	`Methods sounds better`
`22:43.49`	`zeal`	`theres no standards authority in place to validate :p`
`22:44.08`	`ckknight`	`and now there is.`
`22:44.11`	`ckknight`	`bam!`
`22:44.16`	`ckknight`	`I'll get people to sign off on it`
`22:45.18`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`It should be linked on here somehow I guess: http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_Customization`
`22:45.25`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Anyways, back to WoW =)`
`22:48.38`	`Hobinheim`	`sancus, please for the love of shards, an upgrade`
`22:48.49`	`Hobinheim`	`or vlad_`
`22:48.54`	`Hobinheim`	`it's getting horrendous...`
`22:48.58`	`Hobinheim`	`embarassing even`
`22:57.33`	`vlad_`	`what's the problem?`
`23:01.08`	`Hobinheim`	`the outages...`
`23:01.13`	`Hobinheim`	`the "wowwiki has a problem"`
`23:01.16`	`Hobinheim`	`it's so frequent`
`23:01.57`	`vlad_`	`should be fixed as of ~2-3 hours ago`
`23:02.02`	`sancus`	`some config changes were made, yeah, it should be fixed`
`23:02.04`	`vlad_`	`are you talking about seeing it recently, or in the past week or two?`
`23:02.16`	`Hobinheim`	`like now`
`23:02.18`	`Hobinheim`	`like minutes ago`
`23:02.26`	`vlad_`	`what were you doing?`
`23:02.37`	`vlad_`	`just browsing?`
`23:02.38`	`Hobinheim`	`that and i don't know if this is related but my bot can't submit edits from my shell...`
`23:02.40`	`Hobinheim`	`yeah just browsing`
`23:02.42`	`Hobinheim`	`nothing was running`
`23:03.44`	`sancus`	`i'm browsing randomly right now and I cant see any db errors`
`23:03.52`	`sancus`	`sometimes the pages are a bit slow, but thats about it`
`23:04.04`	`sancus`	`and editing a frequently used template also seems to be fine now`
`23:04.16`	`Hobinheim`	`no, it's definitely happening to me with a crazy frequency`
`23:04.47`	`Hobinheim`	`that and i can't figure out for the life of me why my bot stopped working =(`
`23:04.58`	`sancus`	`link me a page you were browsing?`
`23:05.04`	`Hobinheim`	`it's anything`
`23:05.08`	`Hobinheim`	`it's not like one page`
`23:05.15`	`sancus`	`well`
`23:05.24`	`sancus`	`I'm not getting any errors browsing anything`
`23:07.50`	`vlad_`	`I dunno, I'm watching the db`
`23:07.57`	`vlad_`	`biggest spike I've seen was 88 connections`
`23:07.58`	`vlad_`	`out of 250`
`23:08.14`	`Hobinheim`	`=(`
`23:09.37`	`Hobinheim`	`there`
`23:09.38`	`Hobinheim`	`i just got it`
`23:09.39`	`Hobinheim`	`right now`
`23:10.55`	`vlad_`	`what was the error?`
`23:10.57`	`vlad_`	`too many connections?`
`23:11.05`	`Hobinheim`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:The_Completed_Orb_of_Dar%27Orahil`
`23:11.09`	`Hobinheim`	`"wowwiki has a problem"`
`23:11.13`	`Hobinheim`	`we never see what the error is`
`23:11.36`	`vlad_`	`oh! that kind of error`
`23:12.04`	`Hobinheim`	`...`
`23:12.24`	`vlad_`	`I thought you were talking about the one that talked about too many connections`
`23:13.10`	`vlad_`	`there's nothing at the bottom of it?`
`23:13.13`	`vlad_`	`in parens?`
`23:13.26`	`Hobinheim`	`no, it always transcludes the main page`
`23:13.40`	`Hobinheim`	`and doubles up the logo in top left hand corner`
`23:14.27`	`Hobinheim`	`yeah it looks like what is loading is a shell HTML file`
`23:14.41`	`Hobinheim`	`so some top elements are being repeated twice`
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`23:18.30`	`Hobinheim`	`my bot is getting a 500 error when i try to use it from the shell`
`23:18.34`	`Hobinheim`	`but i can edit manually when i log in`
`23:18.35`	`Hobinheim`	`any ideas?`
`23:19.01`	`Hobinheim`	`errr... maybe that's the problem page...`
`23:19.11`	`Hobinheim`	`wait is this problem page THE error code page?`
`23:19.15`	`Hobinheim`	`cuz that would make a lot of sense`
`23:19.25`	`Hobinheim`	`anyway it's freezing up for me righ tnow`
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`23:25.06`	`Hobinheim`	`ok now i can browse again and my bot is reporting 200 status codes but no edits are being submitted... =(`
`23:28.56`	`vlad_`	`why are you running a bot during the middle of the (north american) day?`
`23:29.10`	`Hobinheim`	`well, it's not that big of a deal since the bots edits aren't making it through`
`23:29.18`	`Hobinheim`	`and there wouldn't be that many of them`
`23:29.39`	`vlad_`	`is the bot doing something to a specific set of pages?`
`23:29.57`	`Hobinheim`	`it should. i'm looking at it right now. currently its not doing anything`
`23:30.19`	`vlad_`	`I mean, is it limited to a set of pages, or is it running through all the pages looking for some construct?`
`23:30.38`	`Hobinheim`	`limited`
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`23:44.22`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`I found a bug in the wiki.`
`23:45.03`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`I'm trying to browse through the Burning Crusade catagory.`
`23:45.04`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Category:Burning_Crusade`
`23:45.25`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`But I can't. The 'Next 200' button doesn't take me further through the listing.`
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`23:45.57`	`vlad_`	`"There are 197 articles in this category."`
`23:46.34`	`sancus`	`thats wrong`
`23:46.51`	`sancus`	`it only counts the ones ont he page`
`23:46.57`	`sancus`	`next 200 appears to work fine for me, though`
`23:47.01`	`Karrion`	`the next 200 is working for me`
`23:47.09`	`sancus`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Category:Burning_Crusade&from=Class`
`23:47.14`	`sancus`	`note "from=Class"`
`23:47.30`	`vlad_`	`wait, so why is it counting only 197?`
`23:47.46`	`Karrion`	`3 subcategories`
`23:48.04`	`sancus`	`because it's only counting the ones displayed on the page obviously`
`23:48.09`	`sancus`	`why only 197 are displayed`
`23:48.10`	`sancus`	`and not 200`
`23:48.11`	`sancus`	`I have NFC`
`23:48.26`	`Karrion`	`3 subcategories + 197 pages = 200`
`23:48.44`	`sancus`	`oh`
`23:48.45`	`sancus`	`that's a bit stupid`
`23:48.56`	`sancus`	`but it seems to be working, so w/e`
`23:53.09`	`zeal`	`vlad_, cant say i've ever seen the error you've fixed. the errors before was something about a lock timeout exceeded, which would cause "WoWWiki has a problem" errors for the whole site for a short period, but the edit would actually submit. i could test it out now, see if i'm still getting that.`
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`23:53.20`	`zeal`	`cos i do need to edit the tooltip template, heh.`
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`23:53.50`	`vlad_`	`well`
`23:53.55`	`vlad_`	`you can probably test it for the sake of testing :)`
`23:54.05`	`vlad_`	`but in general large edits/templates/etc. should happen late at night`
`23:54.23`	`tliff`	`late at night what timezone?`
`23:56.21`	`zeal`	`rofl`
`23:56.35`	`zeal`	`well i was gunna leave it till i've finished playing wow for the night`
`23:56.54`	`zeal`	`which will be late GMT, but still the evenining for america ;)`
`23:56.59`	`ckknight`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=4676.0`
`23:57.32`	`MeStinkBAD`	`k i thought this thread was funny... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=73439269&sid=1`
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