| 00:01.58 | Bagginsww | basically I think even if Aleas tries to pass that policy a she has written ti, we'll have to step in and countermand it. |
| 00:02.13 | Bagginsww | as it goes against neutrality. |
| 00:03.01 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Sand_Gnome |
| 00:04.15 | Bagginsww | what do you think? |
| 00:11.13 | Kirkburn | lol, all my auctions are expriring |
| 00:11.17 | Kirkburn | *expiring |
| 00:11.19 | Kirkburn | Dammit |
| 00:13.04 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, did a bit of grammar stuff, but cool |
| 00:13.45 | Bagginsww | thanks |
| 00:16.57 | Bagginsww | oh its odd sometimes Dranei is capitalized in BC, and sometimes lower case... |
| 00:17.08 | Bagginsww | I don't get it :p |
| 00:17.08 | Kirkburn | In quest text? |
| 00:17.11 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 00:17.55 | Kirkburn | ugh |
| 00:17.58 | Bagginsww | like somethng to the effect, "Will you help the Dranei" |
| 00:18.25 | Bagginsww | ran across it during a quest in Terokkar or Bone Wastes the other day :p. |
| 00:18.33 | Kirkburn | File reports about it! |
| 00:18.46 | Bagginsww | *"Draenei" |
| 00:19.08 | Bagginsww | LOL, I didn't know if it was right or wrong, or part of the context... |
| 00:19.23 | Bagginsww | cause it was being applied to all draenei races |
| 00:19.39 | Bagginsww | including Broken and Lost Ones |
| 00:22.10 | Bagginsww | well if sand gnomes are real, I wonder if the plague of the 20th century is real too LOL |
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| 00:23.44 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 00:23.57 | Kirkburn | What *is* the 20th Century anyway? |
| 00:25.01 | Bagginsww | Heh Heh |
| 00:25.11 | Bagginsww | that was one of the funniest quest lines ever |
| 00:28.16 | Kirkburn | Did it earlier today |
| 00:28.34 | Kirkburn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.21 | Bagginsww | the first part? |
| 00:30.28 | Kirkburn | All of it! |
| 00:30.35 | Kirkburn | Oh, er, not the 3rd part =) |
| 00:30.44 | Bagginsww | during hte second part its not so bad |
| 00:30.57 | Bagginsww | although I pulled up like 5 sand gnomes at once |
| 00:31.08 | Bagginsww | that could be bad alone |
| 00:31.16 | Bagginsww | at least as a mage LOL |
| 00:31.41 | Kirkburn | Oh right, so those were ELITE ogres, were they |
| 00:31.53 | Kirkburn | Racking up the deaths atm |
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| 00:32.21 | Kirkburn | How did you pull 5 sand gnomes?! |
| 00:35.48 | Bagginsww | the drum |
| 00:35.51 | Bagginsww | 5 appeared |
| 00:36.53 | Bagginsww | usually no mor ethan 2-3 though |
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| 01:38.23 | Kirkburn | Frikkin' Gruul! |
| 01:38.37 | sancus | what about him |
| 01:38.46 | Kirkburn | Son of! |
| 01:38.52 | sancus | which one? :P |
| 01:38.55 | Kirkburn | Maggoc |
| 01:39.00 | Kirkburn | The Blade's Edge dude |
| 01:39.36 | Kirkburn | I thought I was far enough away, but apparently not :P |
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| 01:43.27 | jinxed | hey all |
| 01:43.32 | jinxed | anyone here a UI fiend? |
| 01:44.22 | sancus | Kirk: There's a number of gruul's sons in blade's edge |
| 01:44.36 | Kirkburn | jinxed, go to #wowi-lounge :) |
| 01:44.44 | Kirkburn | sancus, he patrols around Death's Door |
| 01:44.47 | sancus | yea |
| 01:45.06 | sancus | I knew which one Maggoc is, just saying, he's not exactly unique ;p |
| 01:45.13 | Kirkburn | heh, true, true |
| 01:45.20 | Kirkburn | It is their homeland |
| 01:47.44 | jinxed | and ask there? |
| 01:47.55 | Kirkburn | Yeah :) |
| 01:48.15 | Kirkburn | Some bloody 70 tauren is destroying all my quest mobs ... but not looting them either ... |
| 01:48.59 | Kirkburn | All I can think right now is "you asshole" |
| 01:49.23 | sancus | the fuck |
| 01:49.25 | sancus | not looting them? |
| 01:49.28 | jinxed | hmm >> no response in wowi loung >> |
| 01:49.33 | Kirkburn | Yeah, can't skin them |
| 01:49.48 | Kirkburn | jinxed, they're /all/ UI fiends there |
| 01:49.55 | Kirkburn | Just ask your question, it's the only way :) |
| 01:49.59 | jinxed | hehe ok |
| 01:51.11 | Kirkburn | sancus, yup, can't skin them |
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| 03:30.10 | Kirkburn | Woot, 67 |
| 03:32.05 | Kirkburn | G'night all |
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| 03:54.28 | voidvector | guess i just killed the server |
| 03:54.58 | Zeal | mooo |
| 04:00.40 | Zeal | aww no wb's? :( |
| 04:01.59 | Zeal | Well anyways, as i told baggins, i suspected as much from that imposter, but they didn't really say anything we didn't already know, so i'm not bothered either way. |
| 04:02.13 | Zeal | summary still stands, as does my position. |
| 04:02.22 | Zeal | and hopefully the position of the wiki as a whole. |
| 04:02.45 | Zeal | so.. that nullifies the outcome of that lore policy vote tbh. |
| 04:02.57 | Zeal | so yeah.. off to bed. nn all |
| 04:03.07 | voidvector | wb? |
| 04:03.19 | Zeal | welcome back :p |
| 04:03.20 | Zeal | pfft |
| 04:03.26 | Zeal | get with the lingo vv ;) |
| 04:03.29 | Zeal | hehe |
| 04:03.33 | voidvector | oh lol |
| 04:03.33 | Zeal | nn |
| 04:03.36 | voidvector | night |
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| 04:19.56 | voidvector | Just to point out, server has an issue with articles with question mark in its name |
| 04:21.18 | voidvector | as in the articles exist, but browsers can't get to them. Somehow my bot is able to access and modify it. |
| 04:23.47 | voidvector | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Quest:What_the_Flux&curid=39014&action=history |
| 04:23.48 | voidvector | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Quest:What_the_Flux%3F&action=history |
| 04:26.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can get to it fine in firefox :O |
| 04:26.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Quest:What_the_Flux%3F , right? |
| 04:27.04 | voidvector | interesting |
| 04:27.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | works fine in IE too |
| 04:27.29 | voidvector | if you click on the "article" button on the top, you will be forwarded to the article without question mark |
| 04:27.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | ahh |
| 04:28.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, that's happening on my end |
| 04:30.58 | voidvector | i think all of those articles should be forwarded to the 1 w/o question mark otherwise could be troublesome for people to access |
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| 04:31.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | yar, or fix that bug if it's possible, either or, i dunno |
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| 08:30.36 | voidvector | anyone here familiar with {{Npcbox}}? |
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| 10:22.46 | Creator | sup guys? i hate math... >< ye i know its totally none related... |
| 10:23.28 | Zicon | I like math. I just wish it liked me back. |
| 10:24.07 | Creator | :P its not like its hard... its just boring |
| 10:25.38 | Creator | amagad, i ding today 70 and buy a flting mount :D |
| 10:25.50 | Creator | *flying |
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| 11:17.17 | kaso | you know how wowwiki uses greek letters τ α ω for thottbot allakazam and wowhead |
| 11:17.40 | kaso | What'd happen if a site became prevalent that began with c |
| 11:20.01 | Fin | does the greek alphabet not include c? |
| 11:20.44 | kaso | nope, it goes alpha (α) beta (β) gamma (γ) |
| 12:36.22 | Fin | maybe kappa? |
| 12:38.27 | Fin | got a question about user accounts on WW |
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| 15:11.00 | Kirkburn | Morning all! |
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| 15:11.28 | Rogue2D | hello |
| 15:16.27 | Kirkburn | And I thought he was replying to me :( |
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| 15:48.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | Say, just wondering, can I create a page on my userpage with a suggestion how Blizzard shoudl try to create a certain Class (Necromancer will be a first Class I will tackle) |
| 15:48.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | Will carry a lot of things like Spells, level learned, precise number crunchings, talent trees |
| 15:48.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | and more. |
| 15:48.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | and I dislike the Blizzard forums to create something like that >.> |
| 15:48.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | So can I? |
| 15:49.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | will be in my Userpage with a HUGE disclaimer |
| 15:49.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | (so that noone takes it as a fact) |
| 15:49.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | *silence* |
| 15:49.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | aw come on :( |
| 15:49.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'm bored |
| 15:50.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | infobot, silence? |
| 15:50.19 | equiraptor | I'm not sure that a userpage is the appropriate place for that. Isn't there a way to make sub pages off of user pages, though? |
| 15:50.22 | equiraptor | I swear I've seen something like that on wikipedia. |
| 15:50.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | yeah yeah, sub page of my userpage ofcourse :p |
| 15:50.33 | equiraptor | Ok. Yeah. |
| 15:50.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User:Patrigan/Class_Suggestions:Necromancer |
| 15:50.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Patrigan/Class_Suggestions:Necromancer |
| 15:50.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | bad linking |
| 15:51.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | bleh, if it's not allowed, then just put it up for speedy deletion |
| 15:51.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | I just like WIki capabilities ^^ |
| 15:51.28 | equiraptor | Not like I'm an admin, or even all that experienced with wikis, but that seems reasonible to me. A page under your user page that contains your ideas / suggestions... :) |
| 15:53.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | yeah, if you ever attempted to post something on the forums, you know you don't have a lot of capabilities, plain text and that's it... |
| 15:53.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | while ona wiki I can create tables and similar.^^ |
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| 15:54.21 | Kirkburn | You can do what you wish with your user space |
| 15:54.23 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 15:55.27 | Kirkburn | Now what the hell is "Shrink Space"? |
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| 15:55.27 | Kirkburn | (getting prepared for installing Vista) |
| 15:55.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | no clue |
| 15:55.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | haven't gotten Vista yet |
| 15:55.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | but it sounds as if he wants to zip something |
| 15:55.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | and asks you how much space he gets for zipping things |
| 15:55.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | That's what it sounds like to me at least |
| 15:55.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | not that I have any clue :p |
| 15:57.16 | OvrLrd-Q | shrink space is by how much you can reduce a partition in size |
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| 16:01.08 | Kirkburn | OvrLrd-Q, indeed |
| 16:01.38 | Kirkburn | For some reason the shrink space appeared to be almost exactly equal to the amount of data I already had on the drive |
| 16:01.45 | Kirkburn | Which confused me |
| 16:01.58 | Kirkburn | I've decided I'm just going to reformat rather than keep my old Windows install |
| 16:06.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | It's never good to run 2 OS on the same computer anyways, except if you are very skilled wiht Partitions. |
| 16:07.36 | equiraptor | It's not really all that bad, so long as you do both installs intending for both OSes to be there. |
| 16:07.59 | equiraptor | It's when you need to do something like shrink a partition that things get scary. ;) |
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| 16:08.44 | Kirkburn | I haven't booted into XP since I installed the Vista beta |
| 16:09.15 | Kirkburn | It's perfectly happy with it, but I've decided I may as well get rid of XP and get back the space |
| 16:09.52 | Kirkburn | The XP partition is 120GB, 100 are unused :P |
| 16:10.43 | equiraptor | Sheesh. I'd want that space back, too. |
| 16:11.11 | Kirkburn | I only gave Vista 70GB, since I thought I might not use it much =) |
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| 16:17.59 | Kirkburn | Is it bad I'm enjoying this Justin Timberlake album? :P |
| 16:19.17 | Zicon | Yes. It's horrible. You have doomed yourself to music hell for all eternity. |
| 16:20.33 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 16:22.42 | equiraptor | Then again, the best musicians probably go to hell.... |
| 16:24.58 | Kirkburn | Soo, something else then ... hmm, Beck? |
| 16:29.07 | Kirkburn | You know, it is /amazing/ how much crap you collect in just a few months use of a PC |
| 16:29.28 | Amro | try DragonForce =) |
| 16:30.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Kel%27Thuzad_%28tactics%29 did the Strategies ection always say "Work Hard" oO |
| 16:32.47 | Kirkburn | That page is a perfect example of why not to blindly do Find-Replace |
| 16:34.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | lol >.> |
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| 16:49.48 | Kirkburn | Breaking news about Jack Thompson: http://gamepolitics.com/2007/02/03/jack-thompson-faces-florida-bar-disciplinary-hearing/ |
| 16:53.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | interesting and amusing ^^ |
| 16:53.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | brb |
| 16:53.56 | dotted | shouldnt all realm articles be named <name>_<continent> instead of just <name>? |
| 16:54.43 | dotted | and have a disambiguation on the <name> pages`? |
| 16:59.26 | Kirkburn | Not all realms have equivalents |
| 17:00.04 | Kirkburn | It would still be a reasonable idea, I guess |
| 17:00.20 | Kirkburn | Less external-->wiki link breaking |
| 17:01.52 | dotted | then i have something to do on the wiki again that isnt hard :D |
| 17:01.58 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 17:09.14 | dotted | hot damn, 120 megs is ff using to have all those taps opended for the servers |
| 17:14.22 | dotted | http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Azgalor <- omfg |
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| 17:20.20 | dotted | Kirkburn imo all pages even if there isnt 2 realms of the same name should have a disambiguation page instead of a redirect, becuase if a new server pops up with the same name then a redirect wont get noticed and a disambiguation wont be made i dont think |
| 17:20.45 | Kirkburn | indeed |
| 17:22.59 | dotted | like the Trollbane Europe page :p |
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| 17:38.39 | Hobinheim | paging admin |
| 17:38.43 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Hobinheim] by ChanServ |
| 17:38.48 | Hobinheim | dotted, are you here? |
| 17:39.51 | dotted | yeah, ill slow down my mass editing madness |
| 17:40.41 | Hobinheim | ok |
| 17:45.12 | dotted | an edit a minute is that ok? |
| 17:46.41 | Zeal | lo all |
| 17:47.57 | Hobinheim | ti |
| 17:47.58 | Hobinheim | *yo |
| 17:48.03 | Hobinheim | hey zeal |
| 17:48.09 | Hobinheim | hope nothing personal with the loot template |
| 17:48.20 | Hobinheim | i've been meaning to do it for a while. its kinda scary how often the wiki is crashing =( |
| 17:49.43 | dotted | http://www.wowwiki.com/The_Endless ehhh |
| 17:49.50 | dotted | odd servername |
| 17:51.00 | Hobinheim | the categories are all wrong |
| 17:51.05 | dotted | idd |
| 17:51.30 | Zeal | i know it's not personaly, but i'm not happy :p |
| 17:51.34 | Zeal | *personal |
| 17:52.12 | dotted | im at K now, soon done :/ |
| 17:52.29 | Hobinheim | mm lunch |
| 17:52.30 | Hobinheim | later all |
| 17:52.40 | Hobinheim | hey look on the bright side |
| 17:52.47 | Hobinheim | your contributions were SO AWESOME THEY WERE BLOCKED |
| 17:52.50 | Hobinheim | hehe =) |
| 17:53.00 | Zeal | hah |
| 17:53.02 | dotted | did you block them? |
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| 17:53.33 | dotted | way to avoid answering that question :p |
| 17:54.34 | Zeal | think he meant me. |
| 17:54.39 | dotted | well thats my new quit msg anyway |
| 17:54.40 | Zeal | if not, no idea :s |
| 17:54.58 | dotted | Zeal read my talk page :) |
| 17:55.19 | dotted | im movign all server pages that does not have continent in there name |
| 17:55.29 | dotted | eg Gnomergan > Goneregan US |
| 17:55.35 | dotted | spelling ftl |
| 17:55.40 | dotted | but you get the idea |
| 17:55.44 | Kirkburn | Zeal, I have to agree with Hob, it needed to be locked |
| 17:55.54 | Kirkburn | I can unlock it when you need to change something |
| 17:56.23 | Kirkburn | If only we could set up access groups |
| 17:56.36 | Zeal | i know the reasoning, i just don't agree with locking. expressed my thoughts on it on the village pump :P |
| 17:56.45 | dotted | Kirkburn easy make him admin then your problems are gone :p |
| 17:56.50 | Zeal | rofl |
| 17:57.06 | Zeal | even if Kirkburn wanted to, i'm sure he'd be scared to do so :P |
| 17:57.24 | Kirkburn | Highly trafficked templates do need some kind of protection |
| 17:57.31 | dotted | man i can understand why you use bots for this, not only it gets boring but you cant do it fast becuase the wiki server would crash :p |
| 17:57.33 | Kirkburn | *only* very very highly trafficed stuff |
| 17:57.40 | Kirkburn | It's too dangerous otherwise |
| 17:58.11 | Zeal | just don't lock tooltip yet, it still needs a few changes i'd rather get done easier before it should be locked. imo. |
| 17:58.17 | Kirkburn | Sure thing |
| 17:58.34 | Kirkburn | And I /will/ unlock it for you if needs be |
| 17:58.41 | Zeal | kk |
| 17:58.50 | Zeal | hows that team stuff going btw? |
| 17:59.14 | Kirkburn | Not started yet =) |
| 17:59.25 | Kirkburn | Sometime 2nite I'll start writing the stuff |
| 17:59.30 | Zeal | oh, and i'm not completely following what you're doing, but i've got a feeling, what you're doing dotted, and what kirkburn ok'd you to do, i'm not happy with :P |
| 17:59.34 | Zeal | cool |
| 17:59.44 | Kirkburn | Making all server pages disambiged |
| 18:00.19 | Zeal | yeah, but using a disambig method i'm not for :P |
| 18:00.52 | dotted | what do you mean? |
| 18:01.21 | Zeal | all i had to eat yesterday, wa 2 bacon rolls for breakfast, a 12" sub before drinking, and then a baguette when i got home >_o |
| 18:01.25 | Zeal | *was |
| 18:01.33 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Community_teams#Rehash.21 |
| 18:01.47 | Kirkburn | Zeal, should the template team come under Style Council? |
| 18:01.58 | Kirkburn | I want as few teams as possible |
| 18:02.16 | dotted | i wanna join template team :> |
| 18:02.22 | Kirkburn | With subteams, of course |
| 18:02.32 | Zeal | well, it sounded like you're using <servername>_<serverregion> correct? i was more looking towards Server:<servername> (<serverregioncode>) |
| 18:02.59 | Kirkburn | So basically have EU / US in brackets unlike atm |
| 18:03.45 | dotted | Zeal that would mean i'd have to edit every single page, and i cba to do that and the de-facto standard is without brackets |
| 18:03.49 | Kirkburn | It would be more consistent with the policy, but let's get them all consistent first, then we'll get to that |
| 18:03.50 | dotted | and i dont have a bot |
| 18:04.11 | dotted | but i agree tho, with brackets looks nicer |
| 18:04.15 | Kirkburn | Voidvector could do it at some point |
| 18:04.16 | Zeal | well personally, i thought welcome and helpers should be merged. the skill set is the same, and allowing users to get to knwo the people they're welcomed by, so they continue to go to them for help, rather than look for someone else. |
| 18:04.38 | Kirkburn | Fandyllic wanted them separate |
| 18:04.40 | Zeal | oh, thought you were botting dotted |
| 18:04.53 | Kirkburn | Him and beep2 look like it sometimes =) |
| 18:05.08 | Zeal | :s |
| 18:05.15 | Kirkburn | Zeal, what could make more sense is have the welcome team as a subteam of helpers |
| 18:05.28 | dotted | Zeal i have know idea on bots where to get them etc, so manual work ftw |
| 18:05.39 | Zeal | same dotted, heh. |
| 18:05.49 | Zeal | well i'm not sure i like the idea of sub-teams :P |
| 18:05.54 | Zeal | but i guess that works |
| 18:06.04 | dotted | do you like anything at all :D? |
| 18:06.32 | Zeal | in that case, template under helpers, and crows nest under style guru imo. |
| 18:06.57 | Zeal | yes yes |
| 18:07.03 | Zeal | i like sambuca and lemonade :P |
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| 18:08.32 | Zeal | wb hob |
| 18:09.05 | Hobinheim | thx zeal |
| 18:09.54 | Kirkburn | Hey Hobinheim |
| 18:10.02 | Hobinheim | yo captain |
| 18:10.11 | Kirkburn | Bah, so much for playing WoW 2nite - I'm going to start writing the Team stuff |
| 18:10.22 | Kirkburn | Off out for dinner later |
| 18:10.28 | Kirkburn | Zizzi's |
| 18:10.37 | Hobinheim | team stuff? |
| 18:10.48 | Kirkburn | Community Teams |
| 18:10.54 | Kirkburn | What do you want to join? =) |
| 18:11.10 | Kirkburn | The fun will be deciding the team leaders :P |
| 18:11.25 | Zeal | Kirkburn, how does acesss for groups work anyways? as that's mostly something i wanted to be resolved. giving certain teams access to do things relevent to their role. For example, the template team would be able to edit locked pages in the template namespace. |
| 18:11.40 | Hobinheim | i propose tekkub or me for style captain |
| 18:11.41 | Kirkburn | sancus will know more about that side |
| 18:11.48 | Hobinheim | probably tekkub |
| 18:11.48 | Zeal | kk |
| 18:11.49 | Hobinheim | is there a cat team? |
| 18:11.54 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.57 | Hobinheim | i can't think of anyone off the top of my head that's really into cats |
| 18:12.02 | Tekkub | we have CSS yet? |
| 18:12.21 | Kirkburn | The Crow's Nest is "stubs, cat, wikinav watchers" |
| 18:12.49 | Kirkburn | Anything that requires server stuff - talk to sancus please :) |
| 18:12.50 | Hobinheim | lol hot wikinav |
| 18:12.50 | Hobinheim | all me |
| 18:13.08 | Kirkburn | I propose a team leader and subteam leaders |
| 18:13.20 | Hobinheim | subteam leaders? |
| 18:13.32 | Kirkburn | e.g. The Style Council has a subteam for templates |
| 18:13.39 | Hobinheim | WTS BUSTEDWIKI.COM |
| 18:13.45 | Hobinheim | ehh i think that's overkill |
| 18:13.47 | Kirkburn | Oh which I have a feeling Zeal will be lead |
| 18:13.52 | Kirkburn | *of |
| 18:14.00 | Zeal | O_o |
| 18:14.07 | Kirkburn | I'm not suggesting thousands of subteam :P |
| 18:14.08 | Zeal | certainly wasn't expecting it, heh. |
| 18:14.20 | Kirkburn | I dunno, we'll see |
| 18:14.39 | Zeal | i was expecting Mikk or something, lol. |
| 18:16.07 | Hobinheim | is there a reason why we've been getting "has a problem" messages even more frequently? |
| 18:16.14 | Hobinheim | part of me wants to blame templates |
| 18:16.20 | Hobinheim | but the other part of me actually has no idea why its happening |
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| 18:16.30 | Hobinheim | we got a server upgrade and sometimes people aren't even editingt hat much |
| 18:16.45 | Zeal | i dunno tbh.. even when it's not templates, it's happening |
| 18:17.02 | Hobinheim | (for the curious, i still blame exists and loot) |
| 18:17.03 | Zeal | people edit, get the error, the db locks down for a short period. |
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| 18:17.07 | Hobinheim | (well, exists mostly) |
| 18:17.13 | Zeal | lol hob? |
| 18:18.43 | Hobinheim | i can't think of any legitimate uses for exists... are we veering too far off course... |
| 18:18.58 | Hobinheim | **legitimate that couldn't be replaced with some other mechanism |
| 18:19.06 | Hobinheim | anyway, end case, i'm sick of the server errors |
| 18:19.18 | Hobinheim | and if there was a way to stop development and concentrate on stabalizing the wiki, i'd do that |
| 18:19.24 | Hobinheim | but again, i have no idea what causes it in the first place |
| 18:19.45 | Zeal | i think it's for sancus and vlad to find out : / |
| 18:20.14 | Hobinheim | nothing an upgrade and more money can't solve =0 |
| 18:20.18 | Hobinheim | UPGRADE UPGRADE! |
| 18:20.29 | Zeal | and css isn't an option, so exists is valid. There's not possible way for it to do harm, otherwise any dead link is harmful. |
| 18:20.40 | Zeal | *no |
| 18:21.23 | Hobinheim | when css does become a viable option, i think we should stop using exists |
| 18:22.05 | Zeal | imo, i think we should use w/e is most practical :p, in the case of the loot template, it is exists. |
| 18:22.20 | Kirkburn | How does CSS help out fo interest? What part of the spec have I missed?? |
| 18:22.39 | Zeal | css has styles for exist and no exist |
| 18:22.51 | Zeal | dunno what they aren though. |
| 18:22.53 | Zeal | *are |
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| 18:24.42 | Hobinheim | every time the wiki crashes elune kills a baby |
| 18:24.51 | Zeal | hm.. a.stub i beleive is when a page doesn't exist. |
| 18:24.54 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 18:25.15 | Kirkburn | Zeal, ? |
| 18:25.20 | Hobinheim | style council and crow's nest sound so good... |
| 18:25.31 | Zeal | the css style for dead links |
| 18:25.35 | Kirkburn | More interesting than 'AMA' :P |
| 18:25.36 | Zeal | the class is stub |
| 18:28.11 | Zeal | hm.. and it would seem dead links are given class=".stub" by the javascript.. so straight away, that does mean css option would never work, atleast i can't think of a way : / |
| 18:28.42 | Hobinheim | i don't understand what you mean. it means that it would work |
| 18:28.51 | Hobinheim | oh irc and bold |
| 18:28.53 | Hobinheim | it *would* work |
| 18:29.19 | Zeal | do explain. |
| 18:29.27 | Zeal | as it means it won;t to me. |
| 18:29.29 | Zeal | *won't |
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| 18:30.04 | Hobinheim | the end point of the exists template, in use now, is to visually stylize links that point to articles that don't exist |
| 18:30.15 | Hobinheim | the wiki engine already tags those links with markup |
| 18:30.25 | Hobinheim | so all you have to do is put a css style on it to reach the same effect |
| 18:30.36 | Hobinheim | i'm simplifying it a little but that's essentially what happens |
| 18:35.07 | Zeal | onyl way i can see it doing it is this.. [[<item>|<span class="loot-bracket"><span class="<quality>">[</span></span><span class="<quality>">Item Name</span><span class="loot-backet"><span class="<quality>">]</span></span>]] then we have the styles in the css "a .lootbracket .<quality>" apply the quality colour and "a.stub .lootbracket .<quality>" revert back to the colour for dead links. |
| 18:35.23 | Zeal | it's not as simple as you're suggesting hob. |
| 18:36.19 | Hobinheim | that's pretty much exactly what it is. that's crazy simple |
| 18:36.26 | Zeal | obviously the item name itself would use ".quality" inthe csss, as i'm sure those will get added. |
| 18:36.27 | Hobinheim | also, don't forget you can merge classes in tags |
| 18:36.31 | Hobinheim | so some of that code is redundant |
| 18:36.43 | Zeal | i've never done it tbh |
| 18:36.48 | Zeal | so if you care to show. |
| 18:37.00 | Zeal | i know you can, just no idea how to write such a style. |
| 18:37.28 | Zeal | unless you're suggesting loot-bracket-quality ? |
| 18:37.52 | Zeal | which works too, heh. |
| 18:38.03 | Hobinheim | <a href="internal" class="broken"><span class="qualia"><span class="bracket">[</span>Thunderfury<span class="bracket">]</span></span></a> |
| 18:38.15 | Hobinheim | i'm probably forgetting a cat or two |
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| 18:40.54 | Zeal | "a .<quality>" and "a.stub * .<quality>" hm.. i think i'm forgetting my csss.. |
| 18:41.14 | Zeal | *er.. "a.stub * .bracket" |
| 18:42.01 | Hobinheim | well |
| 18:42.05 | dotted | Hobinheim http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Movepage&action=success&oldtitle=Server:Maelstrom&newtitle=Server:Maelstrom+US&talkmoved=notalkpage <- that doesnt call the move it self right, going to that link? |
| 18:42.09 | Hobinheim | if we're making all dead brackets the same color... then... |
| 18:42.12 | Hobinheim | the code is even simpler |
| 18:42.16 | Kirkburn | Okay, started it: http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/Dev |
| 18:42.22 | Hobinheim | lets say dead brack is OFFENSIVE RED and no other color |
| 18:42.23 | Zeal | shoot hob, i don't see how |
| 18:42.35 | Hobinheim | then namespacing the brack colors by quality isn't necessary. even easier |
| 18:42.45 | Zeal | i haven't |
| 18:42.46 | Hobinheim | a .brack { color: OFFENSIVE RED } |
| 18:42.59 | Zeal | why i corrected myself :P |
| 18:43.47 | Hobinheim | crow's nest needs a nav sentence |
| 18:44.09 | Hobinheim | something like and that related pages are easily navigable or something |
| 18:44.22 | Hobinheim | i think you've boiled down the teams to a nice, exclusive set |
| 18:44.23 | Hobinheim | i like it |
| 18:44.37 | Kirkburn | Okay, shall add a sentence |
| 18:44.40 | Zeal | no dotted |
| 18:45.17 | Hobinheim | dotted, looks like a status page. not sure |
| 18:45.38 | Zeal | "subtea" :P |
| 18:46.00 | dotted | [Subtea] |
| 18:46.20 | Kirkburn | fixed :P |
| 18:47.15 | Hobinheim | i have such a weird train of thought... |
| 18:47.19 | Hobinheim | "i'm bored, lemme write a bot..." |
| 18:48.20 | amro | i get that though a lot, though replace "bot" with something else each time |
| 18:48.31 | Hobinheim | script? |
| 18:48.33 | Hobinheim | sexy lady? |
| 18:48.37 | Hobinheim | playright? |
| 18:48.38 | amro | earlier today, it was "im bored, let me write an addon" |
| 18:48.41 | Hobinheim | oh |
| 18:48.44 | amro | lol |
| 18:49.13 | Hobinheim | i used to get that feeling. but i kept running into a wall with coding addons is hard and my ideas are so off the wall |
| 18:49.45 | Zeal | lol hob, same |
| 18:49.56 | dotted | i have the problem of getting bored of the thing i was doing becuase i was bored, so i end up in a lose-lose situation :( |
| 18:50.26 | dotted | im soon at N yay |
| 18:50.39 | Hobinheim | i finally hit 60 |
| 18:50.44 | Hobinheim | my guild was like fina-fucking-ly |
| 18:50.49 | Hobinheim | i was 58 forever |
| 18:51.32 | dotted | i hit 70 the other day |
| 18:51.55 | dotted | does that make me, what you call it 'l33t'? |
| 18:52.08 | Kirkburn | Nah, just odd |
| 18:52.21 | Hobinheim | yes, yes it does |
| 18:52.35 | dotted | Kirkburn nothing new under the sun then /cry |
| 18:52.53 | dotted | if that expression even exist in english at all :/ |
| 18:53.10 | Hobinheim | ? |
| 18:53.15 | Hobinheim | is english not your first language? |
| 18:53.28 | dotted | no |
| 18:53.35 | Hobinheim | what's your first language? |
| 18:53.38 | dotted | danish |
| 18:53.51 | Hobinheim | ... |
| 18:53.59 | Hobinheim | i don't know any... danes |
| 18:54.08 | dotted | :( |
| 18:54.19 | dotted | uhm now you do oO |
| 18:54.37 | dotted | do you know Hamlet? |
| 18:54.38 | Hobinheim | =P |
| 18:55.13 | dotted | i went from N to S |
| 18:55.21 | dotted | nice jump |
| 18:57.01 | dotted | btw Hobinheim did you block any of my edits?` |
| 18:57.11 | Hobinheim | no |
| 18:57.18 | dotted | ok good :) |
| 18:57.40 | Kirkburn | Moved the page, added nav - http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Community_teams/Dev |
| 18:58.34 | dotted | i assume the smaller a page is the lesser resources it takes to move right? |
| 18:58.46 | Hobinheim | i wouldn't say that |
| 18:58.53 | dotted | ah ok |
| 18:59.00 | Hobinheim | my guess is that the less "involved" (links, templates) a page is, the easier it is to move |
| 18:59.13 | Hobinheim | basically the wiki indexes things that you edit to make certain functions possible/more accessible |
| 18:59.15 | dotted | http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Jaedenar hmm cant move this one, doesnt say if its US or Europe only |
| 18:59.21 | Hobinheim | island pages or stubs are stupid easy to move |
| 19:01.50 | dotted | http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Silver_Hand/Ninja_Looters <- did anyone say wikisquatting or whatever its called :/? |
| 19:03.16 | Hobinheim | wow my bot is failing miserable |
| 19:03.18 | Hobinheim | *miserably |
| 19:03.23 | Hobinheim | i'm guessing it's hitting the error page |
| 19:03.41 | Hobinheim | and there aren't that many edits going on |
| 19:04.14 | Hobinheim | yup... error pags... |
| 19:04.31 | dotted | uhm how do you move a page that have a fair few subpages |
| 19:04.38 | dotted | like http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Silver_Hand |
| 19:04.53 | dotted | just maunual each page or? |
| 19:04.56 | dotted | *manual |
| 19:05.05 | Hobinheim | yup... |
| 19:05.33 | dotted | damn |
| 19:05.37 | Kirkburn | Right, I'm going out v soon |
| 19:05.49 | dotted | going out? |
| 19:05.51 | Kirkburn | Please check over http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Community_teams/Dev and improve it where needed! |
| 19:06.06 | dotted | out in the real world? :/ |
| 19:06.08 | Kirkburn | Links, etc, stuff like that |
| 19:06.10 | dotted | scary.. |
| 19:06.14 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 19:06.58 | Hobinheim | and that the wiki as a whole is **easy to browse** maybe |
| 19:08.47 | Kirkburn | Done |
| 19:09.41 | Kirkburn | Actually the Template Team is a bit silly, removed that idea |
| 19:09.57 | Kirkburn | The Style Council can cover it all as a whole |
| 19:10.26 | Kirkburn | Much like Ragestorm does with his lore team, specialities can be given |
| 19:10.48 | Zeal | change crows nesst back to cat team, stubs have nothing to do with them outside categorizing them. |
| 19:10.54 | Kirkburn | Anyone think of a better names than "Helpers"? |
| 19:10.59 | Zeal | stubs should be for the watchdogs to mark. |
| 19:11.01 | Zeal | Help team |
| 19:11.05 | Zeal | definitely not helpers |
| 19:11.13 | Kirkburn | You're thinking of boring names :( |
| 19:11.15 | Zeal | fyi, i'm writting my own list atm |
| 19:11.16 | Hobinheim | damn you wiki errors |
| 19:11.17 | Zeal | lol |
| 19:11.19 | Hobinheim | bot can't even log in |
| 19:11.30 | Hobinheim | EPIC NAMES |
| 19:11.30 | dotted | Hobinheim that was my again i think soz |
| 19:11.35 | dotted | *Me |
| 19:11.50 | Kirkburn | You're own list? Btw, we already had a discussion on this |
| 19:11.50 | Hobinheim | KNIGHTS OF THE RC |
| 19:11.50 | Kirkburn | *Your |
| 19:11.56 | Hobinheim | goddammit... |
| 19:12.28 | dotted | Gnomish Assistants? |
| 19:12.52 | Hobinheim | this having a problem thing is getting REDICULOUS |
| 19:13.06 | Kirkburn | Indeed |
| 19:13.16 | dotted | especially because the CSS on the page is fucked too |
| 19:13.28 | Kirkburn | It's the moves |
| 19:13.46 | Kirkburn | At least you're at S |
| 19:14.04 | Hobinheim | S? |
| 19:14.05 | dotted | strangely i havent seen any errors while moving the server pages, but normal edits gives errors |
| 19:14.17 | Kirkburn | That's not surprising |
| 19:14.25 | dotted | Hobinheim servernames starting with S |
| 19:14.31 | Kirkburn | You're doing the stuff that causes the problem, =) |
| 19:14.37 | dotted | i know :( |
| 19:14.39 | Hobinheim | come ON... |
| 19:14.46 | Kirkburn | I didn't mean it in a bad way |
| 19:14.58 | dotted | :D |
| 19:15.02 | Kirkburn | I mean, when you're moving a page, you're not trying to edit the wiki |
| 19:15.12 | Kirkburn | Thus you don't see the error, but others do |
| 19:15.17 | Hobinheim | i think the engine needs an upgrade |
| 19:15.56 | amro | page moves cause that stupid error? |
| 19:16.05 | dotted | yup |
| 19:16.14 | Kirkburn | sancus, the errors are becoming very frustrating, I don't suppose you could look into it? |
| 19:16.16 | dotted | not moving anything now tho |
| 19:16.44 | amro | is it the only cause? didn't see any page moves in the RC last time |
| 19:16.59 | Kirkburn | Okay, gotta go |
| 19:17.13 | Kirkburn | Template edits and page moves |
| 19:17.25 | Kirkburn | Oh and bot edits you won't see in the RC |
| 19:17.43 | Kirkburn|afk | I like the name Crow's Nest :( |
| 19:18.37 | dotted | amro +- 20:12 (Move log) [Varghedin; Kirkburn (2×); Dotted (17×)] |
| 19:18.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Heh, I get Dotted (77x) |
| 19:19.00 | dotted | lol |
| 19:19.17 | dotted | i thought i saw 27 earlier so |
| 19:19.25 | Hobinheim | where's that special rc log located |
| 19:19.37 | Hobinheim | ughhhhhhhh errroorsra;lsdkfjasfd |
| 19:19.40 | Kirkburn|afk | It's linked on the bloody RC page! :P |
| 19:19.44 | dotted | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:RC |
| 19:19.46 | Hobinheim | =/ |
| 19:20.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, switched Helpers to Help Team |
| 19:20.15 | Hobinheim | you should just call them the aqua teen |
| 19:20.21 | Hobinheim | *team |
| 19:20.30 | Hobinheim | or universe one |
| 19:21.00 | dotted | wikipedia must have some extremely serious hardware :< |
| 19:21.13 | Hobinheim | absolutely... |
| 19:21.22 | Hobinheim | ugh i can't believe mediawiki is written in php |
| 19:21.35 | amro | they spent $400,000 in 2005 i think |
| 19:21.39 | Hobinheim | i haven't done much php but it doesn't strike me as a speedy language |
| 19:21.39 | dotted | howcome? |
| 19:21.45 | dotted | hmm |
| 19:21.49 | amro | true hobinheim |
| 19:22.18 | Kirkburn|afk | 2006 cost Wikipedia about $1.5 million |
| 19:22.39 | dotted | Kirkburn|afk werent you going out :P? |
| 19:22.47 | Kirkburn|afk | (read an interview in New Scientist today) |
| 19:22.49 | Hobinheim | okey dokey bot running at one edit per minute... |
| 19:22.50 | Kirkburn|afk | right going out now, bbl |
| 19:23.48 | dotted | can i do a page move again :)? |
| 19:24.21 | Hobinheim | go right ahead |
| 19:25.11 | Hobinheim | afk, bot running |
| 19:25.13 | dotted | im at Skywall now, too many servers beginning with S and T imo :( |
| 19:26.51 | Hobinheim | man who instituted this throttling of bots... its all slow =) |
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| 19:27.48 | dotted | haha |
| 19:28.36 | dotted | well the timing was a bid off for doing this, considering it to be Europe primetime :< |
| 19:29.11 | Hobinheim | gahhhh slowest bot to edit. only four edits |
| 19:29.22 | dotted | oh noes i get error on moving a page, now its getting really bad :p |
| 19:29.24 | Hobinheim | **slowest bot to date |
| 19:30.11 | dotted | creating the3 disambig pages is going to be hell |
| 19:37.01 | Hobinheim | bot crashed wahh wahh |
| 19:38.55 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk oh bah.. |
| 19:39.13 | Zeal | Hobinheim, you might know. reverting, is they like an admin version of it that does it properly? |
| 19:39.19 | Zeal | *there |
| 19:42.40 | Hobinheim | what do we need to revert? |
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| 20:04.01 | Zeal | none, was just asking |
| 20:04.33 | Zeal | i take it the admins aren't lead, but act as a council, being equal and all that? |
| 20:10.25 | dotted | OMG COMMUNISM!! |
| 20:10.54 | dotted | woohoo im at T now |
| 20:11.29 | Zeal | O_o |
| 20:11.34 | Zeal | anyways.. http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Groups |
| 20:13.13 | dotted | me likes |
| 20:15.27 | Zeal | cool :p |
| 20:17.49 | dotted | error >_> |
| 20:18.03 | Zeal | lol |
| 20:18.35 | Hobinheim | i dunno i always try to keep my powers in check |
| 20:18.36 | Hobinheim | ehh |
| 20:18.45 | Hobinheim | anyway gotta unplug |
| 20:18.46 | Hobinheim | later |
| 20:19.25 | dotted | i finally get something else than eeror |
| 20:19.27 | dotted | A page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name. |
| 20:19.30 | dotted | DOOOOOOOOH |
| 20:19.41 | Zeal | lol |
| 20:19.55 | Zeal | whats on the page you want to move to? |
| 20:20.03 | dotted | the same |
| 20:20.09 | Zeal | rofl |
| 20:20.18 | dotted | nor a redirect |
| 20:20.20 | dotted | *not |
| 20:20.24 | dotted | just a copy pate :/ |
| 20:20.26 | Zeal | either copy it manually, or mark one of them for deletion. |
| 20:20.27 | dotted | *paste |
| 20:20.34 | dotted | nah |
| 20:20.56 | Zeal | well actually not or. either way, one needs to be marked for deletion. |
| 20:21.06 | dotted | no :p |
| 20:21.09 | Zeal | btw, how are you handling disambig? |
| 20:21.12 | Zeal | oh? |
| 20:21.18 | dotted | the other is gonna be disambig :) |
| 20:21.29 | Zeal | ah, kk then |
| 20:22.04 | dotted | is there some sort of disambig template or boilerpage for this? |
| 20:22.23 | Zeal | {{disambig}} for disambig pages |
| 20:23.26 | dotted | yeah i know that, but i was thinking some sort of style, or just a standars bullet list? |
| 20:23.33 | dotted | *standard |
| 20:23.56 | Zeal | bullet list works fine |
| 20:24.09 | Zeal | :p |
| 20:24.16 | dotted | gonna do that then |
| 20:24.46 | dotted | hmm what is the template for getting the current page title? |
| 20:24.59 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Timeline is an example of when you might want to present it a little differently, as there is lots to say. |
| 20:25.00 | dotted | might aswell make it easy for my creating the disambig pages |
| 20:25.41 | dotted | why do i type my instead of me? :/ |
| 20:25.43 | Zeal | {{PAGENAME}} or {{FULLPAGENAME}} if you want the namespace too. though with server, as it's a psuedo-namespace, you will get it in {{PAGENAME}} too. |
| 20:25.57 | Zeal | lol, loads of people do that by accident :P |
| 20:26.49 | dotted | i assume "[[{{PAGENAME}}_US]]" and "[[{{PAGENAME}}_Europe]]" will work? |
| 20:26.59 | Zeal | yuup |
| 20:27.03 | dotted | nice |
| 20:29.01 | dotted | is there a way to remove Server: from {{PAGENAME}}? |
| 20:29.28 | Zeal | nope :( |
| 20:29.32 | dotted | shame :( |
| 20:29.50 | Zeal | it's why we need the namespace : / |
| 20:30.48 | Zeal | i'm interested to see what would happen |
| 20:30.54 | Zeal | when it's introduced |
| 20:31.48 | Zeal | cos "Server:blah" is the article name, so when you try and go to it, while there is a Server namespace, will mediawiki send you to "Server:blah" or Server:"blah" |
| 20:32.14 | dotted | hmm |
| 20:32.44 | dotted | maybe i should make the disambig page a template so its easier to edit? |
| 20:33.06 | Zeal | it's easy enough as it is |
| 20:33.14 | Zeal | see no need for a template. |
| 20:33.30 | Zeal | oh, wait, i get ya.. |
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| 20:33.40 | Zeal | hm.. yeah i guess you could |
| 20:33.46 | Zeal | wb hob |
| 20:33.51 | dotted | and use it as {{Server disambig|EU|US}} or {{Server disambig|EU}} if ther is only an EU one |
| 20:33.52 | Hobinheim | thx\ |
| 20:34.13 | Zeal | yeah, that works. |
| 20:34.25 | Zeal | tbh, i wouldn't even bother will the vars |
| 20:34.46 | Zeal | eventually if only one exists, the other will at some point, so leaving the deadlink would be handy. |
| 20:35.06 | dotted | i dont like that tbh |
| 20:35.35 | Zeal | just saying what i would do :P |
| 20:36.06 | dotted | hehe |
| 20:36.21 | Zeal | apparently i'm the only person who likes dead links, stubs and small articles. heh. |
| 20:37.37 | Zeal | just realized, it's yet another reason for using realm and not server for the realm namespace. |
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| 20:38.23 | dotted | it should be Realm imo |
| 20:39.09 | dotted | because thats the official term, then again the official term for mob is creep :/ |
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| 20:40.54 | Zeal | lol |
| 20:41.06 | Sky2042 | ... |
| 20:41.24 | Zeal | whats up Sky2042? :p |
| 20:41.38 | dotted | the sky |
| 20:41.40 | Sky2042 | Why don't you read what you typed. ;P |
| 20:41.45 | Sky2042 | ?* |
| 20:41.53 | Zeal | hm? |
| 20:42.36 | Sky2042 | Hah, you asked what was up. The obvious answer... :P |
| 20:42.49 | Zeal | well yeah, hence the :p |
| 20:42.57 | Zeal | i was waiting on a real reply though :p |
| 20:43.12 | Zeal | *the ":p" |
| 20:44.53 | Zeal | dunno if i should bother making {{i-disambig|<list>}} when {{i-note||Disambig|<list>}} is easy enough :s |
| 20:47.16 | dotted | Zeal how can you translate EU to be Europe? |
| 20:47.28 | dotted | in {{Server disambig|EU}} |
| 20:47.35 | Zeal | hm? |
| 20:48.52 | Zeal | er, you could use {{equal|{{{1|}}}|EU|then=Europe|else=}} |
| 20:49.11 | dotted | well [[{{PAGENAME}}_{{{1}}}]] would get me EU, with that template |
| 20:49.43 | dotted | im affried that exceeds my knowledge of the wiki Zeal :p |
| 20:50.38 | Zeal | i don't get why you're trying to translate to Europe :s |
| 20:51.25 | Sky2042 | actually, I did have a semi-random question... Why doesn't the template {{progression}} have a conditional for server, like {{progression|Shadowmoon US}}? :/ |
| 20:51.52 | dotted | becuase the continent name used for the titles is Europe not EU, and it would be stupid if you had to write {{Server disambig|Europe|US}} instead of just {{Server disambig|EU|US}} |
| 20:52.07 | Zeal | er.. that template doesn't exist sky? :S |
| 20:52.28 | Sky2042 | :S |
| 20:52.38 | Zeal | you're naming EU servers Europe? :S |
| 20:52.46 | Sky2042 | that's how they're all named |
| 20:52.50 | dotted | idd |
| 20:52.54 | Zeal | i suspect it's the sort key anyways |
| 20:52.59 | Zeal | sigh... |
| 20:53.04 | Zeal | ok... |
| 20:53.27 | dotted | Sky2042 the only guild progression template that exists is http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Guild_Progress/Naxxramas, and hardly noone usses the template :p |
| 20:53.44 | dotted | Zeal defacto standards ftw :D |
| 20:53.54 | Zeal | [[{{PAGENAME}}{{equal|{{{1|}}}|EU|then=_Europe|else=}}]] |
| 20:54.06 | dotted | be my guest to rename them all to EU, but imo Europe sounds better |
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| 20:54.36 | Zeal | and so does "America and anywhere else outside europe speaking a form of english" |
| 20:54.45 | Zeal | better than US >_> |
| 20:54.58 | Zeal | atm, US is getting special treatment. |
| 20:55.06 | dotted | how? |
| 20:55.17 | Zeal | because it's abbreviated |
| 20:55.23 | Zeal | yet Europe is in full. |
| 20:55.23 | dotted | ... |
| 20:55.28 | Sky2042 | hmm... ill brb |
| 20:55.54 | dotted | because US is the natural way to say it, and Europe is the natural way of saying it |
| 20:56.01 | Zeal | sky, i only have no idea what you're talking about, sorry. |
| 20:56.05 | Zeal | no, EU is |
| 20:56.08 | dotted | im European myself btw |
| 20:56.21 | dotted | Zeal EU =/= Europe |
| 20:56.30 | Zeal | yes it does dotted |
| 20:56.33 | dotted | no |
| 20:56.39 | Zeal | and no, EU does not stand for European Union |
| 20:57.00 | dotted | Trollbane EU just looks odd for me |
| 20:57.01 | Zeal | EU has long been listed under an iso standard for Europe. |
| 20:58.01 | Zeal | looks fine to me |
| 20:58.01 | dotted | the good thing is, that im doing the disambig in a template - so if you are gonna change Europe to EU it will be easier to do :p |
| 20:58.16 | Zeal | i've always said my server as <servername> (<regioncode>) |
| 20:58.18 | dotted | we should set up a vote |
| 20:58.41 | Zeal | beleive it already did get soem discussion before :S |
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| 20:58.47 | dotted | hmm? |
| 20:58.52 | dotted | where |
| 20:59.01 | Skyhammer | dotted, http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Guild_Progression . There is a template for it |
| 20:59.03 | Zeal | last time it was brought up was in the guild disambig vote iirc |
| 20:59.36 | Zeal | yeah, it's the category sort key sketchyd |
| 20:59.45 | Zeal | * Skyhammer |
| 21:00.01 | dotted | thin i misunderstood something somwhere |
| 21:00.03 | dotted | :p |
| 21:00.07 | Skyhammer | ah well :p |
| 21:00.16 | Skyhammer | <-- is sky2042. /nick is silly imo |
| 21:00.31 | dotted | Zeal i assume the vote turned in favor of Europe then? |
| 21:00.34 | Zeal | mhm, i noticed from your hostmask :P |
| 21:00.50 | Zeal | tbh, it was EU afaik. |
| 21:00.57 | Zeal | and the vote hasn't resolved |
| 21:01.06 | dotted | gief link |
| 21:01.08 | Zeal | but it wasn't actually what the vote was about. |
| 21:01.42 | Zeal | gief second |
| 21:01.53 | dotted | gief working wiki |
| 21:01.57 | Zeal | indeed |
| 21:01.57 | Zeal | lol |
| 21:04.27 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Policy/Writing/Guild_pages |
| 21:05.09 | dotted | im done moving pages yay for me |
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| 21:06.06 | Zeal | nice |
| 21:06.07 | Zeal | hey vv |
| 21:06.18 | voidvector | hi zeal |
| 21:09.38 | dotted | Zeal im gonna make a note in the village pump |
| 21:09.52 | Zeal | about being done? seen it already :P |
| 21:10.10 | Zeal | vv, appreciate your thoughts. http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Groups |
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| 21:10.48 | dotted | Zeal i meant the server region name thing |
| 21:10.56 | Zeal | i see |
| 21:12.25 | dotted | or maybe you should do it, becuase im againt changing it :p |
| 21:12.34 | Skyhammer | is there a way to add timestamps to mirc? :S |
| 21:12.40 | dotted | yeah |
| 21:13.09 | dotted | Alt+O -> IRC -> Mesagges |
| 21:13.50 | dotted | [HH:nn:ss] <-thats hoe mine looks |
| 21:14.08 | Skyhammer | Eh, HH:nn is good enough for me ;P |
| 21:14.23 | Skyhammer | lol |
| 21:14.41 | Skyhammer | brb >.> |
| 21:14.55 | Zeal | i'm in no hurry to see it changed, one of the less important matters to me, and i'd rather see the realm namespace and categories sorted, with using region codes as a side note. |
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| 21:15.33 | dotted | hmm |
| 21:16.35 | dotted | so the disambig template is gonna look like this: |
| 21:16.35 | dotted | {{disambig}} |
| 21:16.35 | dotted | *[[{{PAGENAME}}{{equal|{{{1|}}}|EU|then=_Europe|else=}}]] |
| 21:16.43 | dotted | i assume this works yeah? |
| 21:17.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, the /whole point/ of the change was to reduce the number of teams |
| 21:17.51 | dotted | and with more than 1 argument like {{Server disambig|EU|US}}? |
| 21:17.51 | Zeal | yes, should work dotted |
| 21:17.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Too many teams made it fail before, and it will again with too many |
| 21:18.32 | Zeal | there is no more (in fact, i think less) that the one you've written. you've jsut neglected to show the sub teams |
| 21:18.55 | Kirkburn|afk | No, I didn't make subteams |
| 21:19.11 | Zeal | you mentioned them, but didn't list them |
| 21:19.14 | Kirkburn|afk | The onyl subteam was the welcoming committee and that was as a concession to Fandy |
| 21:19.35 | Zeal | and the template team, though i see you deicded that was a stupid idea on soem crazy whim. |
| 21:20.15 | Zeal | plus, i don't agree with that point, or that being why the teams failed. |
| 21:20.17 | Kirkburn|afk | No, I decided it wasn't required |
| 21:20.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, so you've been here as long as I have? |
| 21:20.57 | Zeal | my point was to give them more power, better definied relationships and roles, and allow for users to create their own groups (powerless however) too. |
| 21:21.13 | Zeal | no? would that make a difference? |
| 21:21.23 | Kirkburn|afk | There aren't enough people to fill a large number of teams |
| 21:22.05 | Kirkburn|afk | And I should mention there's another problem - the access and power stuff is extremely unlikely |
| 21:22.17 | Zeal | take it you assume members can't be in more than one? |
| 21:22.25 | Zeal | well yeah, that's why i thought was silly. |
| 21:22.39 | Zeal | *what |
| 21:22.48 | Kirkburn|afk | People can be in whatever teams they wish, but there's not enough people to fill so many |
| 21:22.57 | Zeal | plenty of people. |
| 21:23.10 | Kirkburn|afk | Not enough people who care, then |
| 21:23.47 | Zeal | either way, it's no more than what you've suggested. |
| 21:23.49 | Kirkburn|afk | With so many teams, most members will be inactive much of the time |
| 21:24.01 | Zeal | and the template team is needed, that was obvious. |
| 21:24.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, that was part of the Style Team |
| 21:24.22 | dotted | uhm so how do i make a template not showing up in a the disambig cat when it has {{disambig}} in it? |
| 21:24.26 | Zeal | inactivity of members has nothing to do with the size of the teams, wtf? |
| 21:24.50 | Kirkburn|afk | And you've made the Article Council essentially admins |
| 21:24.55 | Zeal | oh, dotted. if you don't mind, i'll do that. little complicated |
| 21:25.07 | Zeal | no? |
| 21:25.12 | dotted | Zeal "there are so many in the team surely someone else will do it"-attitide |
| 21:25.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, so making them admins isn't making them admins? |
| 21:25.30 | Kirkburn|afk | The powers you listed /are/ the admin powers |
| 21:25.36 | Zeal | how have i made them admins? |
| 21:25.38 | Zeal | lol |
| 21:25.41 | Zeal | all of them? |
| 21:25.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes |
| 21:25.47 | Zeal | rofl |
| 21:25.55 | Zeal | either way, the roles are different |
| 21:26.04 | dotted | Zeal yeah go ahead and do it :) |
| 21:26.12 | Zeal | that's nicely uncovered a failing in the existing system then. |
| 21:27.39 | Zeal | er.. have you created it dotted? :s |
| 21:28.08 | Zeal | that'd be a no, lol |
| 21:28.16 | Kirkburn|afk | The giving out of powers so freely is extremely unlikely, anyways |
| 21:28.44 | Zeal | never suggested it be naything my strict limitations. |
| 21:28.50 | Zeal | *anything |
| 21:28.55 | Zeal | *in order to get into the team |
| 21:29.05 | Zeal | *but strict |
| 21:29.06 | Zeal | wtf :s |
| 21:29.17 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 21:30.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyways, I'm watching Groundhog Day. Zeal essentially I'm telling you you'll have to moderate your ideas again :) |
| 21:30.42 | dotted | Zeal no |
| 21:31.41 | nemppu | Kirkburn|afk with Bill Murray? |
| 21:31.52 | Kirkburn|afk | yup |
| 21:31.59 | nemppu | seen that movie like five times, its nice :) |
| 21:32.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Bbl! |
| 21:32.17 | dotted | Zeal want me to make it or are you doing it? |
| 21:32.54 | Zeal | if you want to make, go ahead. i'm just trying to think it through to make sure i get this code right first time :P |
| 21:33.30 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, and i'm asking for good reason to do so ;) in your own time ofc. |
| 21:33.57 | dotted | i'll do that then "Server disambig" <- good name? |
| 21:34.08 | Zeal | sure |
| 21:34.14 | Zeal | wait.. |
| 21:34.33 | Zeal | i'd use Disambig/server tbh. |
| 21:34.39 | voidvector | you know there are korean/chinese server w/the same names too, right? just none of them would visit an English wiki. |
| 21:34.50 | dotted | Zeal damnit too late |
| 21:34.57 | Zeal | lol dotted |
| 21:35.02 | dotted | ^^ |
| 21:35.04 | Zeal | voidvector, yeah i know :P |
| 21:35.08 | dotted | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Server_disambig |
| 21:35.12 | Zeal | KR CH :p |
| 21:35.21 | dotted | can be moved ofc :) |
| 21:37.14 | dotted | +- 22:04 (Move log) [Varghedin (2×); Kirkburn (2×); Tekkub (4×); Dotted (102×)] <- lawl |
| 21:37.20 | Zeal | hang on.. you want to include all servers possible, but not show deadl inks right? |
| 21:37.32 | Zeal | *dead links |
| 21:38.02 | dotted | yep |
| 21:38.45 | voidvector | oh regarding the "server has a problem" issue, it occurs more often during rush hour of one of the major "WoW timezones" |
| 21:39.34 | Zeal | US or EU? :P |
| 21:40.01 | dotted | well its EU now |
| 21:41.06 | voidvector | yea, australia too, which happens around 4 AM my time |
| 21:41.27 | Zeal | hm.. btw, how have chinese and korean servers been handled dotted? |
| 21:41.31 | Zeal | or you didn't touch those? |
| 21:41.37 | dotted | didnt touch them |
| 21:42.11 | dotted | only EU-English and US, most important for now |
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| 21:46.27 | dotted | brb |
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| 21:47.53 | dotted | back |
| 21:49.05 | dotted | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:IRC <- "- Don't ask us! We recommend you join chat.freenode.net, #wowi-lounge." |
| 21:49.13 | dotted | ehm this not wiki |
| 21:49.21 | dotted | *that's |
| 21:52.00 | Zeal | sloooowwiki |
| 21:58.06 | Zeal | ok.. lets see if this worked.. |
| 21:58.31 | Zeal | and it did, woot. |
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| 22:00.19 | dotted | i must quote you for life: http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Trollbane |
| 22:00.30 | dotted | thx for the help :) |
| 22:01.31 | Zeal | one sec, moving ;) |
| 22:01.37 | dotted | oh noes |
| 22:01.50 | Zeal | it will still work :p |
| 22:02.10 | dotted | only edited trollbane so far so no biggie :p |
| 22:03.09 | dotted | but seriously http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=move&user=&page=&limit=100&offset=0 looks scary :p |
| 22:03.52 | Zeal | heh, needed to be done. |
| 22:08.10 | dotted | hmm isnt there a way to disable redirects? |
| 22:08.13 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Templates/cat/realm :p |
| 22:08.15 | dotted | be default |
| 22:08.21 | Zeal | not afaik |
| 22:08.22 | Zeal | :S |
| 22:08.33 | Zeal | it's an extra click, not too bad. |
| 22:11.00 | dotted | i like, i just dont like the EU/Europe thing |
| 22:11.45 | dotted | i dont mind EU being used in the code, like in the Disambig/server template but to the end user i think hvaing Europe displayed is better looking |
| 22:12.04 | dotted | and just seems natural |
| 22:18.25 | voidvector | oh, there are taiwanese servers too, they use different client compared to chinese (zhTW), but we don't have the list of servers |
| 22:20.01 | Zeal | yeah, and i don't suspect we will, because Blizzard don't run the taiwanese servers. |
| 22:20.09 | Zeal | at least that's what i read. |
| 22:21.14 | voidvector | blizzard don't run the chinese server either, but someone managed to digg up the list |
| 22:21.26 | voidvector | doesn't* |
| 22:27.05 | Zeal | they don't, thought ther did, but kk |
| 22:27.11 | Zeal | *don't? |
| 22:27.16 | Zeal | *they did |
| 22:28.06 | Zeal | actually that makes sense with the lack of sub fees. |
| 22:33.19 | Hobinheim | hmmm i'm being sort of a hippocrit right now... |
| 22:33.28 | Hobinheim | my bot is running w/o a throttle. and is doing better than when it had one. =( |
| 22:33.52 | voidvector | yea, when i read that i was like, Hob's on crack |
| 22:34.12 | Hobinheim | and it crashed again... |
| 22:34.27 | voidvector | btw http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Boilerplate:NPC |
| 22:34.34 | Hobinheim | i'm beginning to think that there isn't even any one thing that's contributing to the crashes |
| 22:34.51 | Zeal | indeed, i feel the same way |
| 22:35.08 | Zeal | it's not like all of a sudden templates got used alot more.. |
| 22:35.08 | Hobinheim | might as well edit the boilerplate to include the npcbox |
| 22:35.24 | voidvector | i want someone to reconfigure the server so that it it actually tell what the errors are |
| 22:35.30 | Zeal | it's happening on loads of edits, and templates that aren't used often. |
| 22:35.43 | Zeal | that would be handy vv : / |
| 22:35.54 | Zeal | or get sancus to tell us what's going on :p |
| 22:36.18 | Hobinheim | voidvector, you know what |
| 22:36.21 | Hobinheim | don't worry about the boiler plate |
| 22:36.25 | Hobinheim | just go ahead and add npcbox |
| 22:36.27 | Hobinheim | i'll take care of it |
| 22:36.27 | voidvector | i swear it can be something stupid like socket error |
| 22:37.59 | voidvector | i will do it later (during off hours) |
| 22:39.08 | Zeal | repliedeadedeeaded... |
| 22:39.10 | Hobinheim | i updated my village pump message |
| 22:39.16 | Hobinheim | just... be careful i guess |
| 22:39.25 | Hobinheim | and another crash |
| 22:39.28 | Hobinheim | very, very fun |
| 22:40.17 | dotted | dont look at me im certainly not mass creating disambiguation pages for all the servers i just moved :< |
| 22:40.23 | Zeal | rofl |
| 22:40.42 | Zeal | either way, i think a bettere wiki error page is needed too :P# |
| 22:40.45 | Zeal | *a better |
| 22:41.08 | Hobinheim | how is a bot supposed to be on a rampage if it can't even log in... |
| 22:41.13 | Hobinheim | seriously, something must have "happened" |
| 22:41.20 | Hobinheim | we didn't get these errors before |
| 22:41.24 | Hobinheim | and i was running totally unthrottled |
| 22:41.49 | Zeal | to me, it all happened after the server move : / |
| 22:42.00 | Hobinheim | when did we move? and from where to where? |
| 22:42.04 | Hobinheim | maybe you're right |
| 22:42.59 | Zeal | from one server to another, a newer server, with better hardware specs. er.. 2 months ago? less. i dunno tbh. |
| 22:43.09 | Hobinheim | paging tekkub |
| 22:43.31 | Zeal | i only know what i pick up from chit chat in here :p |
| 22:43.44 | Zeal | basically, when vlad was last active :p |
| 22:43.44 | voidvector | zeal, tooltip template wouldn't fit on a npc page (how do you stick a big screenshot into a tooltip template?) |
| 22:43.58 | Zeal | as i said, a better format |
| 22:44.05 | Zeal | you don't stick a screenshot in it. |
| 22:44.27 | Zeal | better being my opinion only i'm sure. |
| 22:45.42 | Zeal | i don't want to see a bloody screenshot lowering the summary info and the toc to the point i need to scroll to make use of them. they're both supposed to be at the top of the page and the first things you read and can use. |
| 22:45.59 | Zeal | otherwise their purpose is lost. |
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| 22:47.12 | Zeal | plus npc box uses tables, uses presentational images, and contains info that really doesn't need to be summarized. |
| 22:47.31 | Zeal | well actualy, that's wowbox, that npc is inside it. |
| 22:47.38 | Zeal | *but npc |
| 22:50.28 | Zeal | http://www.chugworth.com/comic.php rofl |
| 22:51.40 | voidvector | lol |
| 23:02.57 | dotted | [00:00:00] ::: Day changed to (Sunday, February 4th 2007). |
| 23:03.33 | voidvector | dotted, you also need to clear the talk pages (cause they would redirect after a move) |
| 23:03.45 | dotted | yaaaaaaaaawn |
| 23:03.48 | dotted | :/ |
| 23:06.40 | voidvector | creating disambig pages is hard work, i hope you learned your lesson =) |
| 23:06.58 | dotted | idd :/ |
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| 23:07.09 | dotted | WTB Bot :p |
| 23:09.06 | dotted | in the end, it made the wiki better |
| 23:09.16 | dotted | which is what this is about |
| 23:09.43 | voidvector | you moved only US pages right? |
| 23:10.10 | dotted | yeah since all EU servers already are tagged |
| 23:12.39 | Kaso | Youve done all that manually? |
| 23:12.53 | dotted | yeah :( |
| 23:13.06 | Kaso | You;re crazy |
| 23:13.15 | Zeal | lol |
| 23:13.22 | dotted | o'rly? |
| 23:13.34 | Gryphon | i edited all servers manually as well |
| 23:13.48 | dotted | I'm grinding edits :o |
| 23:13.51 | dotted | :p* |
| 23:16.12 | Gryphon | why make disambig for single servers instead of redirect? |
| 23:16.44 | dotted | becuase it make fuckups when the other side gets the server of that name |
| 23:17.02 | Gryphon | if they do, then you use serverdi |
| 23:17.05 | Gryphon | serverdis* |
| 23:17.41 | Gryphon | if they never have a second, there is a disambig for one item which is not disambig by def |
| 23:17.42 | dotted | for example "Trollbane is now a US PvE server. This page needs a total overhaul." |
| 23:18.00 | voidvector | my bot can't help with this types of edits. for the disambig tag, it has no way of know if another page exists or not. It can't edit talk page, because I don't have a list/category to reference from. |
| 23:18.02 | Zeal | hows is the release dates for WoW and TBC lore questions!? wtf |
| 23:18.07 | Zeal | should have guessed as much.. |
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| 23:20.23 | Gryphon | yeah, so server:Trollbane would be {{serverdis}} seealso Trollbane |
| 23:22.03 | dotted | my and Kirkburn|afk found it best this way :/ |
| 23:22.14 | dotted | so if you wanna do redirects go ahead |
| 23:22.42 | Gryphon | just disambig for nothing that is currently disambig doesnt make much sense |
| 23:23.05 | Zeal | because eventually all servers will disambig afawk. |
| 23:23.34 | Gryphon | yeah, but why disambig before that? |
| 23:23.44 | Zeal | but considering dotted didn't like the idea of dead links, i don't understand his or Kirkburn|afk's reasoning :P |
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| 23:24.53 | dotted | anyways im done now |
| 23:25.39 | dotted | the biggest reason is that redirects are subtle and doesnt get easily noticed |
| 23:25.44 | Gryphon | update all the battlegroups? |
| 23:26.21 | dotted | so you might have a redirect to a US server going on for ages after an EU realm have been added |
| 23:26.46 | dotted | its better for the viewer this way imo |
| 23:27.48 | Kirkburn|afk | Consistency |
| 23:28.00 | Gryphon | well its not consistant with the work i put in |
| 23:28.05 | Kirkburn|afk | And easier for 'newbs' to add new ones |
| 23:28.18 | Gryphon | consistant would have been use a system that was in place |
| 23:28.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Consistent is to only add the realm location to *some* realms? |
| 23:29.27 | Kirkburn|afk | I did not have a problem with it before, but problems have cropped up since not all were done |
| 23:29.42 | Kirkburn|afk | e.g. the guy who thought an EU realm had become a US one |
| 23:29.59 | Kirkburn|afk | The people who don't know how to deal with redirects |
| 23:30.19 | Kirkburn|afk | The people who will get broken links once an equivalent realm is added overseas? |
| 23:31.07 | Kirkburn|afk | This is not a 'change', this is a completion of the realm article names 'fixing' |
| 23:31.24 | Gryphon | well its not clean imho |
| 23:31.56 | Kirkburn|afk | If links are updated it's a lot cleaner |
| 23:31.57 | dotted | if by making it dirty is makining it easy for newbies i dont have a problem with it |
| 23:32.31 | Kirkburn|afk | How can you tell people that, hey , half the time well stick the realm as a normal article name, then the other half we'll stick a location on it |
| 23:32.51 | Kirkburn|afk | It didn't seem a problem before, but problems /have/ cropped up |
| 23:32.55 | Gryphon | i dont care about that |
| 23:33.02 | Gryphon | its the way it was done i care about |
| 23:33.27 | Gryphon | im not going to argue about it, i dont agree with how it was done, but im in minority |
| 23:33.39 | Kirkburn|afk | What was wrong with the way it was done? |
| 23:34.55 | Zeal | hm.. so Kirkburn|afk, are you for dead links in the disambig? :s |
| 23:34.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Okay, there was more to do than I realised |
| 23:35.15 | Gryphon | i took on all the servers, im just frustrated |
| 23:35.50 | Gryphon | i just dont like the result |
| 23:36.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, don't be facetious, I'm not in control of stuff like that, am I? |
| 23:36.15 | Zeal | huh? :s |
| 23:36.28 | Zeal | it's a simple question, do you or don;t you like them? |
| 23:36.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Obviously I'm not for dead links, and it had nothing to do with my point |
| 23:36.37 | Gryphon | disambig for something that only possibly could be disambig in the future seems messy to me |
| 23:36.47 | Zeal | did i say it did? :s |
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| 23:37.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Then stop asking stupid questions about something I wasn't involved in :/ |
| 23:37.39 | Kirkburn|afk | What I said was a good idea was making the realm names consistent |
| 23:37.52 | dotted | if i understand correctly Gryphon would have wanted http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Gnomeregan to be a redirect istead becuase it only have 1 item |
| 23:37.57 | Zeal | i see it as all the time, we don't stick a disambig on it, only append disambig if you already know it's disambiguated. applies to my thoughts on all disambig tbh. that's from a user standpoint btw. |
| 23:38.06 | Zeal | so really, i'm in agreement with Gryphon |
| 23:38.20 | Gryphon | i agree that if there is only one result, there should be no disambig |
| 23:38.36 | Gryphon | its only a possibility that there will be a disambig, not certanty |
| 23:38.50 | Kirkburn|afk | I can understand that, but assuming links go to the right places, it shouldn't be a problem |
| 23:39.13 | Kirkburn|afk | How many pages aren't common to both atm? |
| 23:39.23 | dotted | a fair few |
| 23:39.25 | Gryphon | half |
| 23:39.49 | dotted | i only know of US only, i havent looked on Europe only servers |
| 23:40.15 | Zeal | servers i don't really mind, as we know they will more than likely be added in the future, and all existing disambigs can never actually change. it's when, for example pat's idea on guild disambig, i consider fixed disambig a bad idea. |
| 23:40.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, as for your earlier question, I didn't appreciate the "in your own time ofc". The wiki is not my life, and I have other things to do with my time. |
| 23:41.12 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, seriously, have i put you in a bad mood or something? |
| 23:41.37 | Zeal | i said that because i know you're busy and making it clear i'm not expecting an immediate answer |
| 23:41.45 | Kirkburn|afk | You've been frustrating me :P I try and tell you how the wiki "works", but you ignore me :( |
| 23:41.47 | Zeal | no sarcasm |
| 23:42.06 | Zeal | didn't ignore you :s |
| 23:42.11 | Kirkburn|afk | People do not appreciate sweeping changes |
| 23:42.36 | Zeal | i do not appreciate flawed systems :P |
| 23:42.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Admin powers aren't going to be handed out all over the shop, which is what I was trying to tell you about your proposal |
| 23:43.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Currently I bear the responsibility for the current 'new' admins, and it's hard enough as it is =) |
| 23:43.56 | Zeal | so you'd rather, teams be powerless, making the job harder for admins, tying the teams hands, and slowing down everhything because they have to wait for admins to take actions, just because you don't want to devalue admins and their powers? :S |
| 23:44.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Is the wiki powerless at the moment? |
| 23:44.19 | Zeal | yes? rofl |
| 23:44.29 | Kirkburn|afk | You know the answer is no :P |
| 23:44.43 | Zeal | nope |
| 23:44.47 | Kirkburn|afk | There is /no rush/ |
| 23:45.09 | dotted | WoWWiki is not wikipedia! |
| 23:45.10 | dotted | We hate bureaucracy |
| 23:45.10 | dotted | We get things done |
| 23:45.10 | dotted | We have fun! |
| 23:45.10 | Zeal | oh, i beg to differ, i made that clear when i first came into this chat ;) |
| 23:45.11 | dotted | :) |
| 23:45.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Getting things done does not being blindly running about changing stuff |
| 23:45.55 | dotted | then dont have it on your user page =P |
| 23:46.07 | Kirkburn|afk | *not mean |
| 23:46.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Lore people do not need powers, for example |
| 23:46.45 | Zeal | blindly? certainly not. streaminling the process in which things get done and making them more effiencent is what i'm trying to achieve. |
| 23:46.49 | Kirkburn|afk | And this is nothing against them, but they just don't need it. |
| 23:47.23 | Zeal | well it was mainly to give them powers to write, maintain and control lore policies. |
| 23:47.42 | Zeal | something baggins had a hard time achieving, despite being put in charge of according to ragestorm. |
| 23:47.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Giving him powers would not 'help' |
| 23:48.00 | dotted | well its a balance between responsibility and needing stuff - the more responsible you are for a project the more you want it to work |
| 23:48.37 | Zeal | it would help him do his job bettter, theres no great need for them though, no. but there's also no reason not to that i can see. |
| 23:48.58 | dotted | Kirkburn|afk if you gave lore ppl powers and said they had to keep the their pages clean dont you think they would be more prone to do it? |
| 23:49.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Admin powers are not required for that. |
| 23:49.26 | dotted | im not talking about full admin powers here |
| 23:49.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Admin or no admin, those are the only two current choices |
| 23:49.51 | Kirkburn|afk | We have to work with what the wiki has |
| 23:49.55 | dotted | oO |
| 23:49.59 | dotted | sucks |
| 23:50.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, really |
| 23:50.21 | Zeal | i don't get why you see them as "admin powers" they are wiki powers, that admins have full access to. a moderator on a forum receives such powers, doesn't make him an admin, it means he can do his job easier and better, taking the work load away from an admin. |
| 23:50.37 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus and vlad don't want extra work, thus we cannot ask it of them. |
| 23:51.03 | Zeal | oh? |
| 23:51.30 | Zeal | seems they've got plenty of work to get on with atm tbh, but it's all piling up and harming the wiki in the process. |
| 23:51.31 | Kirkburn|afk | That's life. :) |
| 23:51.31 | dotted | Kirkburn|afk so basicly the admins are the same as mods on a forum while vlad and sancus are the forum admins :/? |
| 23:51.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, that's a fair example |
| 23:52.06 | Zeal | vlad, would be the root admin, kirkburn an admin. |
| 23:52.21 | Zeal | and vlad is also the system operator. |
| 23:52.22 | Kirkburn|afk | "Admin" is just the same we've to them, we're actually 'sysop's :P |
| 23:52.51 | Kirkburn|afk | The wiki disagrees =) |
| 23:52.54 | Zeal | yeah.. that kinda made no sense to me on the admin page |
| 23:53.05 | Kirkburn|afk | *name, not 'same' |
| 23:53.10 | Zeal | yeah.. and we know mediwiki is always right and clever? ;) |
| 23:55.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Basically my point is, get rid of the powers part of your suggestion, and it can be looked at |
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| 23:56.17 | Kirkburn|afk | It probably would be a good idea to add an 'Admin' team just to make it clear |
| 23:56.18 | Zeal | get rid of the powers part, and the article council has no reason to exist, the template team's hands are tied in many areas etc. |
| 23:56.18 | dotted | well the thing is that the more responsibility a person have for a given job the more prone he is to do it good |
| 23:56.44 | Kirkburn|afk | No, the template teams hands are not tied, don't be silly |
| 23:57.00 | Kirkburn|afk | dotted, experience does not always agree |
| 23:57.04 | dotted | i of obvious reasons know nothing of the previous temas, but i can only assume that it could have been a factor in why they failed |
| 23:57.10 | Zeal | not sharing the power creates a bottleneck at the admins. simple as. a bottleneck in any system is a bad system. |
| 23:57.58 | dotted | Kirkburn|afk ofc there a few who doesnt but its a minority and there is only 1 thing to do with those and thats is to kick them out |
| 23:58.09 | Zeal | so basically, if the template team needs to lock a template or edit a locked template, they can't. they have to either mark it or contact an admin to do it? |
| 23:58.21 | dotted | you are maybe more prone to see these kinds of ppl here online i dont know |
| 23:59.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, and that's hard? |
| 23:59.25 | Kirkburn|afk | We're here, aren't we? |
| 23:59.25 | Zeal | its frusting and slow, yes. |
| 23:59.30 | dotted | and maybe Kirkburn|afk it only applies if you get paid for it i dont know :/ |
| 23:59.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Again, no rush :P |
| 23:59.43 | Zeal | lol Kirkburn|afk, you said yourself, it;s not your lives, you're often busy and away |
| 23:59.51 | Zeal | ofc theres a rush |