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| 00:25.23 | Bagginsww | ya kirkburn I'd say dredgers and marsh lurkers look like bog beasts |
| 01:00.48 | Fin | what's the best page on WW that introduces editing new pages? |
| 01:01.19 | Fin | WoWAce's help pages don't exist, so I'm going to just direct people somewhere useful at least |
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| 01:12.59 | Hobinheim | paging a player |
| 01:15.37 | Hobinheim | i'm going to permagroup with a coworker |
| 01:15.40 | Hobinheim | he's a tauren druid |
| 01:15.43 | Hobinheim | i want a tauren also |
| 01:15.46 | Hobinheim | what should i choose |
| 01:15.53 | Hobinheim | i figure shammy sucks. warrior would be interesting cuz i like charging |
| 01:15.57 | Hobinheim | but hutner would be awesoe |
| 01:17.09 | Fin | warrior + druid is pretty fun |
| 01:17.24 | tliff | shammy doesnt suck ;) |
| 01:17.45 | Hobinheim | i dunno i'm just so not jiving with the whole hybrid deal |
| 01:17.48 | Hobinheim | it confuses me |
| 01:17.53 | Hobinheim | so many prep totems |
| 01:17.55 | Hobinheim | GRR |
| 01:18.19 | Hobinheim | warrior would be like... fun. ME SMASH |
| 01:18.34 | tliff | then go for warrior ;) |
| 01:18.35 | Hobinheim | but i'm afraid if i turn into too good a warrior, my coworker won't learn anything |
| 01:18.48 | Hobinheim | but a hunter.... would be sex. |
| 01:18.51 | Hobinheim | so torn |
| 01:29.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Warlock ftw |
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| 01:31.42 | Hobinheim | ther eare no tauren warlocks |
| 01:31.52 | Hobinheim | as much as i love our class |
| 01:32.14 | Kirkburn|afk | :( |
| 01:33.29 | Kirkburn|afk | How are you going to assure yourself that your coworker will stay failful! There could be infidelity without the warlock awesomeness! |
| 01:33.29 | Kirkburn|afk | *faithful |
| 01:33.41 | Kirkburn|afk | When a demon dude tells you you're grouped, you do what he says :) |
| 01:34.04 | Hobinheim | YOU AAHHH NOT PREPARRRRRD |
| 01:35.44 | zeal | hob, play a druid or hunter, that way if they don't stick to it, you can continue easy enough on your own, and you can also work well with him being a druid if he does. |
| 01:35.57 | Zeal | back btw :P |
| 01:36.18 | Hobinheim | it's a trash alt |
| 01:36.24 | Hobinheim | purely made to support him |
| 01:42.36 | Hobinheim | warrior it is... ME SMASH |
| 01:43.14 | Hobinheim | i figured we would argue over gear less |
| 01:43.21 | Hobinheim | HUNTAR ITEM< MOVE |
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| 01:46.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, did you enjoy your bath? |
| 01:46.30 | Hobinheim | what. the. christ? |
| 01:46.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh ffs, I hate accidentely pressing the windows keys |
| 01:47.28 | Karrion | heh I disable mine |
| 01:47.42 | Hobinheim | why? AREN'T YOU PART OF THE BORG? |
| 01:47.49 | Kirkburn|afk | So should I, I keep forgetting to flick the switch :/ |
| 01:48.05 | Hobinheim | DON'T RESIST, VISTA IS UPON YE |
| 01:48.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Tomorrow it will be |
| 01:48.40 | Karrion | I wiped too many raids by accidentally bringing up the start menu while main tanking... |
| 01:49.29 | Kandastra | if blizzard games taught us anything, it's use [screwdriver] on [win-key] |
| 01:49.46 | Hobinheim | uhh are you running windowed mode or no? |
| 01:49.54 | Hobinheim | windowed mode + windows key = not that bad |
| 01:50.00 | Kandastra | true |
| 01:50.05 | Hobinheim | not windowed + windows key = WHAT THE CHRIST |
| 01:50.14 | Karrion | yeah I run fullscreen |
| 01:50.36 | Hobinheim | my coworker is stuck installing patches... |
| 01:50.38 | Kandastra | unless your pc is old and the win key freezes it for 5sec |
| 01:50.46 | Hobinheim | does it realy take that long to get a trial of wow up and running... |
| 01:50.56 | Kandastra | tell him that's blizz's way of welcoming him |
| 01:51.00 | Kandastra | setting the mood, you know |
| 01:51.04 | Kandastra | get him used to it ^^ |
| 01:51.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Woo, Fel Armament |
| 01:52.12 | Hobinheim | Kirkburn|afk, what is that? |
| 01:53.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Aldor hand-in |
| 01:53.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Pays for my shoulder enchant |
| 02:05.19 | Hobinheim | coworker goes to the ends of the earth for dinner |
| 02:05.25 | Hobinheim | question: has the patch finished installing yet? |
| 02:11.44 | Zeal | yes i did Kirkburn|afk, LBC + CoH ftw :) |
| 02:11.59 | Zeal | *LBC (radio) |
| 02:12.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Almost went up Scryer's Tier :/ |
| 02:12.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Where are you again? |
| 02:12.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Near London, that much is obvious :P |
| 02:13.19 | Zeal | near heathrow :P |
| 02:13.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah yeah |
| 02:13.41 | Zeal | west of london, just inside the m25, heh. |
| 02:13.47 | Kirkburn|afk | "You are now Hated with The Scryers" |
| 02:14.20 | Zeal | so yeah, read half of CoH |
| 02:14.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh yes? |
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| 02:14.45 | Zeal | disliek the author's style, not really enjoying atm, but contains a good dead of factual stuff compared to most. |
| 02:15.05 | Tusva | Zeal, do you like anything? |
| 02:15.10 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, I did find it a bit of an odd one out, but v WoW-centric |
| 02:15.11 | Tusva | I'm beginning to wonder. |
| 02:15.11 | Zeal | cheese |
| 02:15.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Gorgonzola? |
| 02:15.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Wensleydale? |
| 02:15.30 | Zeal | nope |
| 02:15.31 | Zeal | lol |
| 02:15.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Edam? |
| 02:15.37 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
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| 02:15.44 | Zeal | chedder, red leciester (or w/e) and feta |
| 02:15.58 | Tusva | Well, that's good at least. |
| 02:16.13 | Zeal | rofl |
| 02:16.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, to get Ironforge to exalted is gonna be expensive |
| 02:16.44 | Zeal | if i don't critcise something much, take it as a sign i really like it. |
| 02:17.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Do you know something - I keep thinking I need to get SW to exalted to ride a different horsey :/ |
| 02:17.15 | Zeal | :s |
| 02:17.54 | Zeal | you're rarely see me praise something, and if i do, it's usually in the same sentance as the criticism :P |
| 02:17.59 | Zeal | *you'll |
| 02:18.10 | Zeal | that includes myself, lol. |
| 02:19.15 | Tusva | And I had that span in there Zeal because the tooltip flies to the right if not contained in a tooltip when included. Just fyi :P |
| 02:19.20 | Tusva | err |
| 02:19.23 | Tusva | contained in a table |
| 02:19.58 | Zeal | don't use a table? >_> apply a clear to the table cell? |
| 02:20.07 | Zeal | *inside the table cell |
| 02:20.22 | Tusva | sometimes it's good to use a table. |
| 02:20.50 | Tusva | and if it's in a table, it's fine. |
| 02:20.51 | Zeal | gief link to were it's included and let me take a look :P |
| 02:21.32 | Tusva | http://www.wowwiki.com/Violet_Eye, it wasn't the final solution, I just wanted to get those ugly screenshot tooltips out of there. |
| 02:21.52 | Zeal | lol wtf is going on in that illidan eyes talk Kirkburn|afk? i so lost the point of it after two replies :P |
| 02:22.04 | Tusva | HIS EYES MEAN HE'S A DRUID |
| 02:22.07 | Tusva | OR SOMETHING |
| 02:22.20 | Tusva | infobot, do you love illidan |
| 02:22.29 | infobot | yes, I love illidan. |
| 02:22.30 | Zeal | it's fine to me? :S |
| 02:22.41 | Tusva | yes it's fine. |
| 02:22.44 | Tusva | now. |
| 02:22.55 | Tusva | but before i put it in a table |
| 02:23.05 | Tusva | the tooltip was whipping to the right, which is why i took the float out, is all :P |
| 02:23.20 | Zeal | nah, seemed to have moved on to questioning sources, quiting wiki policies, questioning Kirkburn|afk's integrity and practices, questining his sexuality.. or wait that last bit didn't happen ;) |
| 02:23.33 | Zeal | well that is what a float does >_>; |
| 02:23.39 | Tusva | O RLY |
| 02:23.39 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 02:23.56 | Tusva | my point is i only wanted it to float in the page, not when included |
| 02:24.03 | Kirkburn|afk | I just don't get it, do I, Zeal? :) |
| 02:24.18 | Tusva | and obviously Kirkburn|afk is out to violate the integrity of the Wiki through his comments on Illidan's eyes |
| 02:24.25 | Zeal | get what? :s |
| 02:24.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyways, my original edit was wrong in a way, and I accept that. I didn't realise what the encyclopedia said. |
| 02:24.46 | Kirkburn|afk | He said "You still don't get it do you" |
| 02:24.55 | Tusva | He should have cited it. |
| 02:25.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Indeed |
| 02:25.01 | Tusva | instead of saying "EVERYONE KNOWS THAT" |
| 02:25.06 | Zeal | tbh, to me it seemed open and closed.. you didn't realize soemthing, it got corrected but in a bad way, so it's been corrected again. something like that :s |
| 02:25.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Indeed |
| 02:26.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Here's hoping it's the end of the discussion |
| 02:28.01 | Zeal | yeah right :P |
| 02:30.21 | Zeal | Tusva, from the looks of things, such use would want a container for the tooltips anyways, so handling the float with a {{clr}} and setting restrictions on the container (width, though not really needed with a table). However, i can have float be neglected in usage presets as planned. |
| 02:31.29 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Policy/Writing/Lore#Policy_ratification_vote *shakes his head in disbelief* |
| 02:32.47 | Tusva | It wouldn't be horrible to disregard floats if they're being included, really |
| 02:33.08 | Zeal | even if that passes, i indend to suggest changes to the point of recalling it. if that fails, i'm off : / It's a nice idea, but not in the way it's been suggested. |
| 02:33.22 | Zeal | howso tusva? |
| 02:33.33 | Zeal | *intend |
| 02:34.11 | Tusva | Well, John Q. Wikiauthor now has to remember to have it in a container or use {{clr}} if he includes a tooltip once there's a standard in place. If they don't, it whips to right/left |
| 02:34.44 | Zeal | er.. me not follow. |
| 02:35.31 | Tusva | Okay, let me start from the beginning :D |
| 02:35.47 | Zeal | basically the initial use of the template in the item's article will do what you tell it, when that is them included elsewhere, it will adapt to the preset you give it, ignoring the float if that preset should never be floated. |
| 02:35.58 | Zeal | *is then |
| 02:35.59 | Tusva | Oh. |
| 02:36.10 | Tusva | It will or it does? |
| 02:36.39 | Zeal | it will if people want it to after item standardization is sorted. |
| 02:36.51 | Tusva | Ah, yes. That sounds alright, then. |
| 02:36.56 | Zeal | :) |
| 02:37.03 | Tusva | People will want to include tooltips Zeal. Gotta come to terms with that :P |
| 02:37.11 | Kirkburn|afk | People are continually changing the mount speeds :/ |
| 02:37.14 | Zeal | for now, i just suggest using a container where you're including the item page :P |
| 02:37.29 | Zeal | i don't have to |
| 02:37.57 | Zeal | and will argue against it. if the decide to, i will support it though. |
| 02:38.11 | Zeal | *support it further |
| 02:38.19 | Tusva | well prepare yourself for supporting it :P just saying |
| 02:38.57 | Zeal | preferabbly, if we're going to be standardizing items, what perfect time to introduce the item namespace.. |
| 02:39.06 | Zeal | >_>; |
| 02:39.37 | Zeal | which means i can drop the dual supporting code from item templates, lol |
| 02:40.01 | Zeal | less exists for vv to complain about XD |
| 02:40.15 | Tusva | Maybe you should try an abbreviated policy proposal? Doesn't your namespace policy propose like 1,000 namespace changes? :P |
| 02:40.36 | Zeal | over 9,000! :P |
| 02:40.39 | Zeal | rofl |
| 02:40.43 | Tusva | hehe |
| 02:41.05 | Tusva | I'm for some degree of namespace standardization |
| 02:41.11 | Zeal | my policy was more one of ideoligy, rather that an exact policy with the detail arranged. |
| 02:41.19 | Zeal | *details |
| 02:41.38 | Zeal | those were supposed to be written up.. but as suspected, soemthing got in the way |
| 02:41.40 | Tusva | I brought this up like, months ago, forget what happened to it |
| 02:42.14 | Zeal | *those (the exact policies with details) |
| 02:43.23 | Zeal | plus my namespace list has under gone revisions, the usage of some has under goen revisions, category naming has undergone revisions, and disambiguation has undergone a revision. |
| 02:44.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh ding 65 :P |
| 02:44.12 | equiraptor | I NEED MORE RAM! |
| 02:44.20 | Tusva | Well, it's like a novel at this point, maybe it's time for a abbreviated version :P |
| 02:44.45 | Tusva | Grats Kirkburn|afk! |
| 02:45.17 | Tusva | I'm getting quasi-burned out in Solo Questing :/ 70 seems further away every day |
| 02:45.28 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, did you see my sidebar attempt? :P |
| 02:45.42 | Zeal | i'm surprised i got the layout emulated :P |
| 02:46.01 | Zeal | god damn yes votes.. |
| 02:47.15 | Kirkburn|afk | I didn't |
| 02:47.48 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, IE7 feed reader stopped working |
| 02:48.24 | Zeal | :S |
| 02:49.06 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/User%3AZeal/Sandbox/Sidebar |
| 02:49.42 | Zeal | and that's sooo not final, lol |
| 02:49.53 | Zeal | was jsut experimenting and getting a list of links sorted. |
| 02:50.52 | Zeal | and it's only like 5% longer, at the sake of droping one set of google ads. |
| 02:51.34 | Zeal | that being the one that always contains the gold selling and exploit ads >_> |
| 02:53.43 | Tusva | I click those ALL THE TIME. |
| 02:54.26 | Zeal | rofl |
| 02:56.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Interesting style |
| 02:56.36 | Tusva | Zeal, where the deuece did you get the updated blp converter? |
| 02:57.05 | Zeal | curse-gaming i beleive |
| 02:57.10 | Zeal | it's the blpconverter. |
| 02:57.10 | Tusva | hrm |
| 02:57.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, the toolbox isn't editable |
| 02:57.21 | Tusva | oh different name than before |
| 02:57.28 | Zeal | you tell me that now? :P |
| 02:57.31 | Zeal | lol |
| 02:57.35 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 02:57.49 | Zeal | i noticed it changes based on the type of page you're on |
| 02:57.57 | Zeal | toolbox really pissed me off tbh. |
| 02:58.01 | Zeal | *pisses |
| 02:58.09 | Kirkburn|afk | I know, it shouldn't keep changing |
| 02:58.12 | Zeal | plus what links here should be up top.. |
| 02:58.28 | Zeal | next to watch/history etc. |
| 02:59.40 | Tusva | wtf CLI? I want my GUI! |
| 03:00.30 | Zeal | what's cli doing? :s |
| 03:01.13 | Zeal | basically, i figured out driver overides for aa do not effect the settings for aa in wow, because they're more complex than the driver ones :P |
| 03:01.14 | Tusva | converting blp -> png atm :P |
| 03:01.22 | Zeal | heh. |
| 03:02.26 | Zeal | i convert everything with the javascript one (as all the others that claim to handle folders, error, don't handle folders, have limits, or stop on errors rather than simply reporting errors.), thne any using DXT5 textures, i redo with the new converter. |
| 03:02.46 | Zeal | *then |
| 03:02.55 | Tusva | yeah i'd normally use the java one, but these need the new one |
| 03:03.12 | Tusva | damned DXT5! |
| 03:03.19 | Tusva | they're just icons for blizzard's sake |
| 03:03.23 | Zeal | well in which case, i shove those ina folder, and run it on *.blp with the shortcut :P |
| 03:03.37 | Zeal | sadly though, it stops on errors : / |
| 03:04.07 | Zeal | and i discovered i had a few in cases where the icon is overwritten with patch versions.. |
| 03:04.19 | Zeal | it wasn't replacing them, but applying the data on top of them :s |
| 03:04.27 | Zeal | randomly so. |
| 03:04.39 | Tusva | ew |
| 03:05.03 | Zeal | it's od it onyl happed to the dxt5 ones though :s |
| 03:05.08 | Zeal | *odd it only |
| 03:05.29 | Zeal | scratch that, that makes sense, lol. |
| 03:05.37 | Tusva | only kind of :P |
| 03:05.39 | Zeal | the patched ones mostly use dxt5 :P |
| 03:05.51 | Zeal | but still, it was random, heh. |
| 03:06.20 | Zeal | i think i'll let myWinMPQ handle the smaller patch mpq's from now on. |
| 03:06.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Off to bed now, g'night! |
| 03:06.33 | Zeal | as i think it's just an issue with MPQEditor |
| 03:06.35 | Zeal | nn Kirkburn|afk |
| 03:06.38 | Tusva | nite o/ |
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| 03:15.42 | bangbangbang | So, does anyone know if the nether drake will be questable / reputation earned or strictly PvP reward? |
| 03:16.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Both ^^ |
| 03:17.02 | bangbangbang | Cool, do you know where the quest begins at? |
| 03:17.06 | Kirkburn|afk | The 'normal' one is rep stuff (as far as we know), the swift special one is Arena |
| 03:17.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Yup, it's Shadowmoon Valley |
| 03:17.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Netherwing Fields |
| 03:17.39 | Kirkburn|afk | A guy on the south side of the area, he gives a starting quest |
| 03:17.47 | bangbangbang | ok, i did some quests for the hunter NPC and im at the 5 man group part where you have to kill someone the whacked |
| 03:18.43 | bangbangbang | is that the right chain your talking about |
| 03:18.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Yup |
| 03:19.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Gives you lots of Netherwing rep at the end |
| 03:19.12 | Kirkburn|afk | I think it's unfinished atm |
| 03:19.20 | bangbangbang | if you dont mind my asking, when i get a group and complete it where would i go? |
| 03:19.24 | bangbangbang | ok, i see. |
| 03:19.28 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 03:19.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyways, I should be off. Kill that dude! |
| 03:19.37 | bangbangbang | i did read that it gives like 4200 rep |
| 03:19.44 | bangbangbang | ok, thanks |
| 03:19.52 | bangbangbang | err 42000 |
| 03:21.05 | Zeal | the normal one is quest based afaik Kirkburn|afk :s |
| 03:21.16 | Zeal | now get to bed :P |
| 03:21.41 | Kirkburn|afk | I've been promised buttsecks by the wowi-lounge if I go to bed. Not sure I want to any more ... |
| 03:22.04 | bangbangbang | by normal, do you mean like 60% speed or 280% |
| 03:22.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Unknown :) |
| 03:22.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Most likely equivalent to the epic |
| 03:22.28 | bangbangbang | cool |
| 03:22.28 | Kirkburn|afk | So 280 |
| 03:22.49 | Kirkburn|afk | The PvP one is 310 O.o |
| 03:22.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Um, so yeah. Bed. |
| 03:23.01 | bangbangbang | i need to start selling for stuff for the 2nd training lol |
| 03:23.38 | Zeal | lol |
| 03:23.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Heh, have fun! |
| 03:23.44 | Kirkburn|afk | G'night again |
| 03:23.47 | bangbangbang | cya |
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| 03:39.53 | Hobinheim | dammit my coworker is an ultra noob |
| 03:40.15 | Hobinheim | and he picked like a really slow central timezone server... |
| 03:44.03 | Zeal | lol |
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| 03:46.29 | Hobinheim | god dammit |
| 03:46.34 | Hobinheim | i swear i wasn't a noob when i played |
| 03:46.37 | Hobinheim | fuckin' people... |
| 03:50.52 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Changes there we go, better list now.. |
| 04:03.04 | sancus | tanking maulgar is fun as hell |
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| 04:27.53 | Zeal | rebull gives you gas, so i guess after i while it's like having wings :P |
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| 04:28.56 | Adea | hello |
| 04:29.31 | Zeal | lo |
| 04:29.56 | Adea | anyone intrested in starting new set of characters to Benefit eachother and goto end game together? |
| 04:43.38 | Zeal | only jsut started one i'm afraid : / |
| 04:54.04 | Adea | Does anyone play on a west coast pvp server? |
| 04:59.43 | Adea | is anyone actually here? |
| 05:01.35 | equiraptor | Moo. |
| 05:03.55 | Adea | hmmm |
| 05:03.59 | Adea | whats a good race for rogue? |
| 05:04.12 | equiraptor | Night Elf and Undead. |
| 05:04.19 | equiraptor | But the differences based on race aren't very important. |
| 05:04.34 | equiraptor | So, say, a female dwarf rogue would be the "rare" choice. |
| 05:04.44 | equiraptor | Though I think that's becoming more popular, for that reason. :) |
| 05:05.32 | Adea | what server you play on? |
| 05:05.43 | equiraptor | Whisperwind mostly. |
| 05:05.51 | Adea | what location is that? |
| 05:05.56 | equiraptor | My alliance are there, my horde on Bronzebeard. |
| 05:06.04 | equiraptor | WW is CST. Bronzebeard PST. |
| 05:06.07 | Adea | i play bronzebeard as alliance |
| 05:06.08 | Adea | :) |
| 05:06.14 | equiraptor | Heh :) |
| 05:06.36 | equiraptor | Well, if you see any horde characters in Daughters of the Horde whose names start with equi, that's me. |
| 05:06.45 | equiraptor | Equiraptor, equites, equi... um... I forgot the rest of them... |
| 05:06.51 | equiraptor | infobot: equiraptor? |
| 05:07.02 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, equiraptor is at http://equiraptor.com/WoW/characters.html, or in love with Tepetkhet |
| 05:07.12 | Adea | nice |
| 05:07.28 | Adea | i really want to make a preist |
| 05:07.33 | Adea | priest* |
| 05:07.35 | equiraptor | They're fun. :) |
| 05:07.55 | equiraptor | A draenei would be nice, if you want alliance. |
| 05:08.06 | Adea | LOL |
| 05:08.13 | Adea | my highest is a 20 draenei shaman |
| 05:08.14 | Adea | i want horde |
| 05:08.20 | equiraptor | Hah. |
| 05:08.36 | Adea | what level are you on bronzebeard? |
| 05:08.46 | equiraptor | Well, I think those racials have had some updates, so you'll probably want to ask someone more familiar with the horde racials. |
| 05:08.50 | equiraptor | My highest is level 50. |
| 05:08.56 | equiraptor | The rest are all 35 and under. |
| 05:09.00 | Adea | nice |
| 05:09.04 | Adea | where's the 50? |
| 05:09.17 | equiraptor | Where? |
| 05:09.21 | equiraptor | Bronzebeard... :) |
| 05:09.35 | Adea | if i make a priest, would you help me a lil bit? |
| 05:09.59 | equiraptor | Ummmm.... I'm not playing there much right now. :( |
| 05:10.05 | Adea | o |
| 05:10.09 | equiraptor | My 63 druid is taking over my life. |
| 05:10.28 | Adea | 63 druid? |
| 05:10.40 | equiraptor | Yeah. I haven't updated that web page in a while. |
| 05:10.47 | Adea | webpage isnt working |
| 05:11.02 | equiraptor | hrm? |
| 05:11.14 | Adea | ur website |
| 05:11.16 | equiraptor | hrm. |
| 05:11.19 | Adea | isnt working |
| 05:11.24 | equiraptor | Oh, is the , on the end of it? |
| 05:11.28 | Adea | nope |
| 05:11.32 | equiraptor | http://equiraptor.com/WoW/characters.html |
| 05:11.35 | equiraptor | That's working for me.... |
| 05:11.36 | Adea | still not working |
| 05:11.45 | Adea | is it hosted on ur pc? |
| 05:11.57 | equiraptor | Sort of. |
| 05:12.06 | Zeal | works for me :s |
| 05:12.09 | equiraptor | The server hosting it is on this network in the house. |
| 05:12.15 | equiraptor | Thanks, Zeal. |
| 05:12.17 | Zeal | equiraptor, altitis? :P |
| 05:12.18 | Adea | ok well, the .com isnt working |
| 05:12.23 | Adea | the ip isnt working |
| 05:12.26 | equiraptor | Zeal: Oh, just a little. ;) |
| 05:12.29 | Zeal | rofl |
| 05:12.33 | equiraptor | can you ping 68.93.27.57 ? |
| 05:12.41 | Adea | lol ya |
| 05:12.59 | equiraptor | Then try http://68.93.27.57/WoW/characters.html |
| 05:13.11 | Zeal | god damn, i've fallen so behind with dignation episodes.. |
| 05:15.18 | equiraptor | http://macnugget.org/stuff/fish.html hehe |
| 05:17.21 | Adea | hey equiraptor, what server is ur druid on? |
| 05:17.27 | Zeal | lol equiraptor |
| 05:17.40 | equiraptor | The 63 is on Whisperwind. |
| 05:18.52 | Adea | if i make a priest, can you help me a lil bit? |
| 05:19.22 | equiraptor | Not right now, but when I'm around... |
| 05:19.30 | equiraptor | But it would have to be alliance. I only have allies on WW. |
| 05:19.32 | Adea | when? |
| 05:19.50 | equiraptor | Meh, typically evenings on weeknights and a good deal of the days on weekends. |
| 05:21.45 | Adea | what do you think the best race for a preist would be? |
| 05:22.02 | equiraptor | Dwarf or draenei, on alliance. |
| 05:25.34 | Zeal | http://macnugget.org/stuff/pophell.jpg rofl |
| 05:27.24 | equiraptor | Read unixhorrorstory? |
| 05:28.34 | Zeal | nah, just image browsing :p |
| 05:28.45 | equiraptor | It's good. |
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| 05:29.31 | Zeal | well considering i know next to nothing about unix, it'd probably all go over my head. |
| 05:29.50 | Adea | holy shit |
| 05:29.58 | Adea | i am a network engineer, |
| 05:30.07 | equiraptor | Ok. Summary: Nearly the entire contents of the hard drive were deleted. |
| 05:30.12 | Adea | i would tell ac ompany to goto hell if they called me into "strighten" there network up and it looked like that |
| 05:30.22 | equiraptor | The OS kept running and they were able to restore from backups. |
| 05:30.32 | Zeal | O_o |
| 05:30.33 | Zeal | lol |
| 05:30.54 | equiraptor | Critical system files were missing. A lot of them. |
| 05:31.08 | equiraptor | If it had happened to Windows, they would have gotten a BSOD and would have lost the system. |
| 05:31.24 | equiraptor | Meaning they would have lost a week of work from all the students, in the most pressing time of the year. |
| 05:31.50 | equiraptor | Adea: That's what the ISP a friend of mine was running ended up looking like. |
| 05:32.00 | equiraptor | They got wise soon thereafter and fixed it. It looks... Um... Much better now. |
| 05:32.24 | Zeal | :p |
| 05:33.01 | equiraptor | ls: not found. is one of my nightmares. |
| 05:33.10 | Zeal | god.. that food turned out crap.. bernard matthews ftl :( |
| 05:37.49 | Zeal | ok, well nn all |
| 05:40.29 | equiraptor | http://macnugget.org/stuff/bsduptime.png heh |
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| 06:27.47 | pakoz | hey, anyone around? |
| 06:27.55 | pakoz | trying to find out where to learn Dragonma |
| 06:28.03 | pakoz | rather- |
| 06:28.06 | pakoz | Drakefist Hammer |
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| 07:40.59 | Tekkub | okey, that's fucking lovely |
| 07:41.05 | Tekkub | Zeal, kirk.... |
| 07:41.23 | Tekkub | http://www.wowwiki.com/Tier_4_Rogue_armor |
| 07:41.27 | Tekkub | look at the sockets |
| 07:42.07 | Tekkub | it appears <imagelink> doesn't show up in image's "what links here", and thus you thought the image was unused, but it wasn't... |
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| 09:54.38 | Flaska | anybody awake? =) |
| 09:57.48 | dok3Dal | yes |
| 09:58.54 | Flaska | What's the best program for viewing BLP files? I haven't got time to convert them all one by one |
| 09:59.57 | dok3Dal | to be honnest, I dont know what a BLP file is |
| 10:00.00 | dok3Dal | but |
| 10:00.04 | dok3Dal | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_FAQ/AddOn_Author_Resources |
| 10:00.10 | dok3Dal | WoWBLPViewer - http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=180 - This allows you to view BLP files (also ones inside MPQ files), which store the artwork for WoW. |
| 10:01.21 | Flaska | Last updated 37 years, 1 month ago =D |
| 10:02.02 | dok3Dal | December 31st 1969 yes |
| 10:02.21 | dok3Dal | but maybe it will do the job :p |
| 10:02.24 | Flaska | hehe that's cool =) |
| 10:04.20 | dok3Dal | does anyone know exactly the new agi to dodge factor? |
| 10:04.38 | dok3Dal | I know it is around 30 |
| 10:05.14 | dok3Dal | but I just notice the agi page dont have the info and dont want to post non-exact value |
| 10:05.23 | dok3Dal | (for level 70) |
| 10:05.42 | Flaska | you mean agi points per dodge %? |
| 10:05.56 | dok3Dal | yes |
| 10:06.11 | dok3Dal | for a warrior |
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| 11:10.48 | Tauop | hi |
| 11:11.34 | Tauop | I need a WoW addon, and I want to know if I can speak about it there ? |
| 11:12.15 | Tauop | I don't manage to find a such addon, so I would like to learn to code wow addon, and find someone who can help me in this investigation. |
| 11:12.40 | Tauop | ( nota : I can code in several language, but never code LUA, even Wow addons :s ) |
| 11:14.13 | Qultak | Tauop: http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Beginners_Guide#From_a_Developer.27s_point_of_view |
| 11:14.45 | Qultak | There's a number of links in that section that will get you started. |
| 11:15.58 | Tauop | ok |
| 11:16.18 | Tauop | just a question : is it difficult to make a addon that logs what I receive b mail IG ? |
| 11:17.39 | Tauop | I would like an addon to write a file like CharacterProfiler does but for receiving mail. then I will be able to make a html page (with some php / mysql engine) to display who sent things to the bank of ma guild. you see what I mean ? |
| 11:18.06 | Tauop | "ma guild" -> "my guild" |
| 11:18.15 | Tauop | ( sorry for my bad english :s ) |
| 11:18.46 | Qultak | Yes. But I have no idea, I have only made very simple addons myself. |
| 11:19.03 | Tauop | ok. |
| 11:19.28 | Qultak | The only think I do know is that Blizzard's implementation of lua does not allow you access to the filesystem nor network sockets. |
| 11:19.33 | Tauop | so if I anderstand, the first think I have to look for is the name of the event corresponding on receiving mail, right ? |
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| 11:19.48 | Tauop | yes I know that |
| 11:19.54 | mitch0 | helo |
| 11:20.13 | mitch0 | could someone direct me to the right channel to ask macro/addon related questions? |
| 11:20.24 | Tauop | but it's easy to make a programm which will get the savedvariable files and send them to a website trough a POST HTTP packet |
| 11:20.45 | Tauop | mitch0, hi. I don't know, I am new here too for 2 minutes ago :D |
| 11:21.37 | Qultak | Tauop: http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/Mail |
| 11:22.17 | Qultak | And I think this is a suitable place to ask questions about addons, however most of the people here lurk/idle most of the time ;-) |
| 11:22.17 | Flaska | Tauop |
| 11:22.19 | Flaska | : |
| 11:22.33 | Flaska | Have you looke through a savedvariables lua file? |
| 11:23.27 | Flaska | I almost crap my pants by looking through one |
| 11:23.34 | Tauop | flaska : what do you mean ? |
| 11:23.54 | Tauop | ( I am french so my english is pretty poor... sorry ) |
| 11:24.22 | Flaska | NP |
| 11:24.23 | Flaska | but |
| 11:25.02 | Flaska | It's so badly formatted that it's pretty hard making a savedvars php engine that also stores the data |
| 11:25.12 | Flaska | In my oppinion at least |
| 11:25.16 | Flaska | I have no idea how to make that |
| 11:25.17 | Tauop | bah... |
| 11:25.29 | Tauop | CharacterProfiler saves in XML format |
| 11:25.33 | Flaska | eh |
| 11:25.35 | Flaska | no? |
| 11:25.40 | Tauop | ho no |
| 11:25.52 | Tauop | in INI format, line .ini file (sorry) |
| 11:26.09 | Flaska | hey wait |
| 11:26.27 | Flaska | are we talking about characteritems or charactersprofiler? =D |
| 11:26.43 | Tauop | rpgoCPpref = { |
| 11:26.43 | Tauop | ["enabled"] = true, |
| 11:26.47 | Tauop | profiler |
| 11:26.54 | Flaska | or is every savedvars file valid INI? |
| 11:26.55 | Tauop | and in the file, there are items too |
| 11:27.02 | Tauop | not a valid, right |
| 11:27.22 | Flaska | Then you can't use the php ini functions |
| 11:27.30 | Tauop | you right |
| 11:27.35 | Tauop | what do you want exactly ? |
| 11:27.56 | Flaska | eh what? =D |
| 11:28.24 | Tauop | with savedvariables of CharacterProfiler I mean |
| 11:28.35 | Tauop | parsing an item which is in a bag is not so complex |
| 11:28.41 | Tauop | the syntax is always the same |
| 11:29.10 | Tauop | so you are able to make a by-hand parser in 3 hours of work, aren't you ? |
| 11:29.34 | Flaska | I can't because I'm not that skilled in... what is the name again? |
| 11:29.38 | Tauop | ( just for items I mean ) |
| 11:29.40 | Flaska | the replace shit |
| 11:29.41 | Flaska | wait |
| 11:29.51 | Flaska | ereg |
| 11:29.52 | Flaska | or? |
| 11:29.59 | Tauop | ereg_replace |
| 11:30.13 | Flaska | regular expression! there it is |
| 11:30.16 | Flaska | s* |
| 11:30.25 | Tauop | haha funny regular expression :D |
| 11:30.35 | Tauop | for exemple |
| 11:30.37 | Tauop | ["Item"] = "2414:0:0:0:0:0:0:0", |
| 11:30.56 | Flaska | ej |
| 11:30.59 | Flaska | eh |
| 11:31.27 | Flaska | you need to build multiple ereg loops, and spend alot of work getting the ereg work right |
| 11:31.37 | Tauop | if (ereg( "\[\"(.*?)\"\] = \"(.*?)\"", $line, $array) ) { |
| 11:31.52 | Tauop | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.54 | Tauop | } |
| 11:32.04 | Tauop | no no |
| 11:32.15 | Tauop | can you let me just write a function here ? (5 lignes ) |
| 11:32.51 | Tauop | function get_line ($line, $name, $content) { |
| 11:32.58 | Tauop | if (ereg( "\[\"(.*?)\"\] = \"(.*?)\"", $line, $array) ) { |
| 11:33.11 | Tauop | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:33.18 | Flaska | ah by line didn't think about that =P |
| 11:33.25 | Tauop | } else { $$name = null; $$content = null; } |
| 11:33.26 | Tauop | } |
| 11:33.38 | Tauop | then make while with this function |
| 11:33.43 | Flaska | why two $$ ? |
| 11:33.59 | Tauop | get_line ($line, &$name, &$content); |
| 11:34.14 | Tauop | hmm no $$ but &$ |
| 11:34.18 | Flaska | k |
| 11:34.32 | Tauop | ( sorry I work with severals language et some times I make mixes :D ) |
| 11:35.20 | Tauop | but just read the file lines by lines |
| 11:35.34 | Tauop | and depends on the lines, gets informations |
| 11:36.02 | Tauop | for exemple : ho, I am in a items block, so I have to read 5 lines in the format [" ... "] = " ... " |
| 11:36.15 | Tauop | the first one is the blablabla, the second is he bla bla bla etc... |
| 11:36.52 | Tauop | the syntax is simple and don't change. if you are in a item block, you know that you will have 5 lines. not 3, not 4, not 6, only % |
| 11:36.54 | Tauop | % -> 5 |
| 11:37.19 | Flaska | I never used the & operator to remote change my variables =P |
| 11:37.24 | Flaska | how exactly does it work? |
| 11:37.38 | Tauop | exemple : |
| 11:38.24 | Tauop | <? function set( $a ) { $a = 3; } a = 1; set( $a ); echo $a; ?> |
| 11:38.30 | Tauop | what is displayed here ? |
| 11:40.45 | Tauop | Flaska, 'till here ? |
| 11:41.16 | Tauop | right... the code I just gave display "1" |
| 11:41.30 | Tauop | make it more ceal |
| 11:41.34 | Tauop | ceal -> clear |
| 11:41.44 | Tauop | <? function set( $a ) { $a = 3; } $b = 1; set( $b ); echo $b; ?> |
| 11:42.07 | Tauop | so this displays "1" because the $b variable doesn't changed |
| 11:42.13 | Tauop | <? function set( $a ) { $a = 3; } $b = 1; set( &$b ); echo $b; ?> |
| 11:43.36 | Tauop | now, this code displays "3" as you have put the reference of the $b variable to the function set(). |
| 11:43.36 | Tauop | when you write &$b, it's mean "reference of variable $b" |
| 11:43.36 | Tauop | when you write $b, it's mean "the contain of the variable $b" |
| 11:43.46 | Tauop | so in the first case, you make a copy of the contain and give this copy to the set() function |
| 11:44.29 | Tauop | in the second case, you give a reference of the $b variable so that the function can work directly with the argument (so outside of the function, the variable will be changed) |
| 11:45.19 | Tauop | as you can't return 2 variables in a function (except with an array), the more clever way is the pass 2 variables by reference to the function so that the function can work directly with them |
| 11:45.24 | Tauop | ( bb in 30 minutes. lunch time ) |
| 12:11.37 | Qultak | Or you could just to list($one, $two) = function_that_returns_array_of_two_elements(); |
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| 12:24.00 | Flaska | Tauop: My internet went down exactly when you were about to give me an example of the remote variable handling... |
| 12:24.04 | Flaska | Can you msg me it? |
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| 13:18.56 | Kirkburn | Nanu nanu |
| 13:19.46 | Kirkburn | I can't believe I didn't use the watchlist until recently |
| 13:19.55 | Kirkburn | How on earth I tracked stuff I don't know |
| 13:20.34 | Flaska | what's watchlist? |
| 13:22.39 | de_RiN | list of subjects you want to keep an eye on in time : ) |
| 13:22.46 | de_RiN | Kirkburn you are the founder of wowwiki right? |
| 13:23.02 | Kirkburn | As much as I love that assumption, no =) |
| 13:23.56 | Kirkburn | The founder isn't much involved in the daily running, so it's left to the admins |
| 13:23.57 | de_RiN | ah, I did see your name alot on the changes pages :D |
| 13:24.09 | de_RiN | well still wanted to thank you for wowwiki :D |
| 13:24.20 | Kirkburn | Thanks :) |
| 13:24.20 | de_RiN | Which made me setup a wiki for our guilds : ) |
| 13:24.38 | de_RiN | Something I miss on wowwiki is itemstats : ) |
| 13:24.49 | de_RiN | Why isn't that implemented? |
| 13:24.49 | Kirkburn | The rollover effect? |
| 13:24.54 | de_RiN | yes |
| 13:25.01 | de_RiN | I have added it in our wiki : ) |
| 13:25.05 | Kirkburn | It'll come someday, probably :P |
| 13:25.20 | de_RiN | And hooked it to wow profiler, so we can use functions in wiki pages to get details from there : ) |
| 13:26.00 | Kirkburn | Only the owner can add that stuff, it's a case of finding the time to do it |
| 13:26.06 | de_RiN | true : ) |
| 13:26.32 | de_RiN | I still have to update my code to the new 2.0x stuff : ) |
| 13:26.38 | de_RiN | stupid socketed items ; ) |
| 13:26.46 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 13:27.09 | de_RiN | But I'm back to idling ; ) |
| 13:27.12 | de_RiN | Keep up the good work : ) |
| 13:27.15 | de_RiN | Bye |
| 13:27.20 | Kirkburn | See ya |
| 13:27.34 | Kirkburn | Hmm, what to do ... level to 66 I guess =) |
| 13:28.49 | mitch0 | I'm waiting for 66, too :) |
| 13:29.24 | Kirkburn | I'm not even out of Terokkar yet, still got Nagrand to start :) At least I know I won't run out of quests ... |
| 13:30.15 | mitch0 | I'm still in zangramarsh :) almost dinged 64 yesterday, but then I realized it's 3AM already and I gotta go to work in 4 hours, so I made myself stop ;) |
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| 13:36.56 | Kirkburn | mitch0, lol |
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| 13:48.45 | Qultak | I don't think you can access the filesystem directly. |
| 13:48.57 | Qultak | Only indirectly via addon saved variables. |
| 13:49.42 | Tauop | ok |
| 13:50.57 | Kirkburn | What's that you're talking about? |
| 13:52.10 | Qultak | If you can write to random files from inside a wow addon. |
| 13:55.31 | sancus | absolutely not |
| 13:55.52 | sancus | the wow add-on environment is a complete sandbox |
| 13:56.09 | sancus | at least at run-time |
| 13:57.10 | Kirkburn | Indeed |
| 13:57.46 | Kirkburn | The only way you can (legally) get info out from WoW is via the SV files, and they're only made when you log out or do a UI reload |
| 13:57.49 | Qultak | Well, for the purpose of communicating with an outside process, could you use saved variable space for that? I'm not familiar with how the save process works... if changes to saved variables are immediately reflected in the filesystem or if they only are written periodically. |
| 13:58.15 | Qultak | Ah, yes, curse Blizzard for foiling every attempt at circumvention :P |
| 13:58.40 | Kirkburn | heh .... Bot prevention is a big part of it, I guess |
| 13:59.33 | Tauop | I agree |
| 13:59.40 | Kirkburn | (e.g. if you can feed info to an outside program, it can input character directions, no humans needed) |
| 14:00.39 | Qultak | Well, since the network protocol isn't scrambled, what's to prevent you from "simply" reverse engineering that and using Windows automation tools for controlling the keyboard and mouse? |
| 14:01.02 | Qultak | I'm sure somebody out there are using farming bots for WoW. |
| 14:01.09 | Kirkburn | Blizzard can check more easily for it |
| 14:01.31 | Tauop | <Qultak>Well, since the network protocol isn't scrambled, -> why ? |
| 14:01.36 | Kirkburn | It makes it harder for them, most importantly |
| 14:02.03 | Tauop | more protection you put, more clever hackers / farmers try to be |
| 14:02.03 | Qultak | Well, I agree that it would be all too easy if the API wasn't protected in crucial places. |
| 14:02.08 | Kirkburn | Weird, I just went to go turn the heating on, the second I put my hand on the switch - it turned on :) |
| 14:02.11 | Tauop | and more difficult it is to find them |
| 14:02.40 | Kirkburn | Perhaps, but there would be fewer of them |
| 14:02.47 | Qultak | Tauop: I agree in principle. But a simple public/private key encryption would stop 99.9% |
| 14:02.52 | Tauop | like a virus |
| 14:03.07 | Tauop | when a trap is find, everybody know it |
| 14:03.09 | Tauop | and correct it is not simple |
| 14:03.13 | Qultak | Of course, I think the main reason Blizzard isn't doing that is because of the extra CPU load that would cause on the servers. |
| 14:03.38 | Kirkburn | Who knows what they've got planned :) |
| 14:03.42 | Qultak | public/private key encryption is very simple. |
| 14:03.42 | Tauop | [15:02] <Qultak>Tauop: I agree in principle. But a simple public/private key encryption would stop 99.9% -> server and client have to make enchange of those keys :) |
| 14:04.11 | Qultak | Numerous protocols are already in place that solved that problem, to mention two: PGP and ssh. |
| 14:04.22 | Tauop | yep |
| 14:04.30 | Tauop | but ssh is crackable :D |
| 14:04.48 | Qultak | DSA? I highly doubt that. |
| 14:05.20 | Tauop | it's not a algorithm problem but hardware with double heart in processor. |
| 14:05.50 | Tauop | he processor knows all in clear so you can force one heart make the encryption and the other spy what the first one do.... |
| 14:05.54 | sancus | err |
| 14:06.06 | sancus | There's really no reason for Blizzard to bother encrypting their network traffic |
| 14:06.07 | Qultak | Well, with that perspective everything is crackable... why bother with pin codes for your bank card since that's crackable, too? ;-) |
| 14:06.11 | Tauop | as they share the same memory spare |
| 14:06.12 | sancus | when their game client itself is already horribly insecure |
| 14:06.18 | sancus | they've made it basically clear that performance > security to them |
| 14:06.27 | Tauop | I agree with sancus |
| 14:06.29 | sancus | if you want to crack it and make a bot, you can, quite easily |
| 14:06.35 | sancus | It's pretty trivial in fact |
| 14:06.50 | sancus | The main reason that it's not an epidemic is because ANYTHING that is publically released, by definition, they can detect and ban people for using |
| 14:07.05 | Tauop | yep |
| 14:07.07 | Tauop | but |
| 14:07.08 | sancus | since they can simply obtain the public release of the thing and then code their detection system to catch you |
| 14:07.10 | sancus | however |
| 14:07.16 | sancus | anyone who is capable of coding the tools themselves |
| 14:07.19 | sancus | is basically unstoppable, yes |
| 14:07.26 | Tauop | yep |
| 14:07.28 | sancus | (as long as they don't release them) |
| 14:07.34 | Tauop | but what I want to say is |
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| 14:07.36 | sancus | Which is probably fine with Blizzard, because they have bigger fish to fry. |
| 14:07.49 | *** part/#wowwiki Oksanka (n=snirc009@gprs-pool079.mobnet.ru) |
| 14:08.03 | Tauop | that if a public release exist, you can be catch with it ok... but it's easy to make some modification to it so that blizzard can't see you |
| 14:08.11 | sancus | "easy" |
| 14:08.20 | Tauop | ( like the "IloveYou virii" and lots others |
| 14:08.30 | sancus | it still requires knowledge and time that probably less than 5% of blizzard's playerbase has |
| 14:08.32 | sancus | hell, 1% even |
| 14:08.48 | Qultak | The gimps that use bots can't be assumed to be more clever than average. |
| 14:08.59 | Tauop | and if someone make a bot with reccord first a sequence of actions |
| 14:09.00 | sancus | they're probably quite clever |
| 14:09.04 | Tauop | and then repeat then |
| 14:09.04 | sancus | especially the farmers |
| 14:09.09 | sancus | since they have $$ to make |
| 14:09.11 | Tauop | how can you detect that ? |
| 14:09.23 | sancus | you can't, but that's not as useful as a bot that sends the commands directly |
| 14:09.33 | Tauop | repetition.... ok. so I add to the system a rand number with will make pause to in the sequence |
| 14:09.42 | sancus | I mean |
| 14:10.05 | sancus | its not like fishbots are uncommon, and they've never detected custom fishbots |
| 14:10.10 | sancus | and those are as simple as it gets |
| 14:11.21 | Tauop | bref... play with a bot ... berkk.. |
| 14:11.32 | Tauop | paying or virtual gold -> shit |
| 14:12.21 | Tauop | and farmers won't exists if people playing this game won't try to cheat |
| 14:12.25 | Qultak | Well, any sufficiently popular activity will have an underbelly of parasites, it's just human nature. |
| 14:12.35 | Tauop | so : no cheat -> no pay for gold -> no farmer -> good game :D |
| 14:12.46 | Tauop | heu.... |
| 14:12.52 | Tauop | have you see the number of farmers ? |
| 14:12.53 | Qultak | The very competitive nature of WoW only encourages "cheating" |
| 14:13.04 | Tauop | yes I agree |
| 14:13.06 | Tauop | so tell me |
| 14:13.14 | Tauop | the maintenance duration = 12h |
| 14:13.14 | Qultak | Use any edge to get ahead. Again, only human nature. |
| 14:13.28 | Tauop | number of player on one serveer = 5000 ? 10 000 maybe |
| 14:13.47 | Tauop | how many time to parse / analyse all gold statistic on all player |
| 14:14.02 | sancus | only thing I've ever felt the absolute need to bot is fishing :P |
| 14:14.05 | sancus | because FUCK stonescale |
| 14:14.08 | Tauop | with the played time, + XP/reputation + boss down |
| 14:15.01 | Tauop | for me, detect a buyer of wow gold in the game is simple for blizzard |
| 14:15.14 | Tauop | but they don't want to close customers account to lost them :s |
| 14:15.23 | sancus | ofc |
| 14:15.27 | sancus | thank god thats no longer an issue |
| 14:15.33 | sancus | new flasks dont use fishing nonsense |
| 14:15.42 | Tauop | :) |
| 14:16.00 | Tauop | fishing is boring :s |
| 14:16.07 | Tauop | you use a bot for fishng Oo ? |
| 14:16.21 | sancus | a long time ago |
| 14:16.30 | sancus | when you needed obscene quantities of stonescale to raid for flasks of the titan |
| 14:16.34 | Qultak | I find fishing strangely soothing... like zen meditation =) |
| 14:16.49 | Tauop | haha |
| 14:17.02 | sancus | I havent fished since sept or something |
| 14:17.17 | Tauop | I prefer farming gold by killing mobs and up my reputation and buy stonescale |
| 14:18.20 | sancus | haha |
| 14:18.27 | sancus | I don't think you know what I meant by 'obscene' |
| 14:18.33 | sancus | we used to SCOUR the AH of it on my old server |
| 14:18.41 | sancus | prices would spike to triple just because of our buying it |
| 14:19.13 | sancus | ridiculous number of flask-requiring encounters on multiple tanks in naxx |
| 14:19.51 | Tauop | never do naxx |
| 14:20.02 | sancus | yeah you dont really need it much pre-naxx |
| 14:20.08 | sancus | just for a couple encounters |
| 14:20.17 | sancus | and almost always only on one tank |
| 14:20.34 | Tauop | ossirian one time |
| 14:20.38 | Tauop | during tries |
| 14:20.57 | Tepetkhet | I miss fishing. |
| 14:21.01 | Tepetkhet | I should go fish. |
| 14:21.06 | Tauop | lol |
| 14:21.10 | Tepetkhet | I need more deviate fishies! |
| 14:21.15 | Tauop | Tepetkhet, you're drogued |
| 14:21.25 | Tepetkhet | drogued? |
| 14:21.36 | Tauop | finshing is a drogue for you now |
| 14:22.04 | sancus | I dont know what he's talking about either |
| 14:22.36 | Qultak | drugue = drug/drugged ? ;-) |
| 14:22.36 | Tepetkhet | What is "drogue"? |
| 14:22.36 | sancus | it uh |
| 14:22.36 | Tauop | yup drug :s |
| 14:22.40 | Qultak | <--- good at deciphering gibberish :P |
| 14:22.40 | Tepetkhet | Drugged rogue? |
| 14:22.42 | sancus | I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean what Tauop thinks it means |
| 14:22.53 | Tepetkhet | Rogues on drugs? |
| 14:22.53 | sancus | lol |
| 14:22.59 | sancus | drogue is a word, tho :P |
| 14:23.18 | sancus | its a type of parachute, among other things |
| 14:23.24 | Tauop | " drogue " (french) = "drug" (en) |
| 14:23.27 | Tepetkhet | I am an anchor?? |
| 14:23.34 | sancus | he meant drug :P |
| 14:23.35 | Qultak | Gee, is there anything you don't know, sancus? ;-) |
| 14:23.46 | sancus | yes |
| 14:23.52 | sancus | fortunately there is nothing that the internet doesnt know |
| 14:23.54 | Tepetkhet | Savory Deviate Delight = My Crack. |
| 14:24.15 | Tauop | Tepetkhet, haha |
| 14:24.17 | equiraptor | Druid == My Crack |
| 14:24.35 | sancus | oh god, the state of my bank alt |
| 14:24.40 | Tepetkhet | Low-cut jeans = my crack. |
| 14:25.09 | sancus | I guess I can burn punctured voodoo dolls |
| 14:25.10 | sancus | because FUCK ZG |
| 14:25.25 | Tepetkhet | hahaha |
| 14:25.41 | sancus | I never finished my trinket |
| 14:25.42 | sancus | but thats ok |
| 14:25.45 | sancus | because they nerfed it:( |
| 14:26.05 | Tepetkhet | The rogue gear sucks, except for the shoulders and bracers. |
| 14:26.58 | Trae | Are there any class quests followed up in BC? |
| 14:27.03 | Tauop | I am lvl 68 now and I keep 4 pieces of my stuff which are from Zg |
| 14:27.23 | Trae | dinged 66 last night |
| 14:27.32 | sancus | oh all the zg gear sucks except the wand for a mage |
| 14:27.33 | Trae | Shadowfiend is a waste of freakin' mana :( |
| 14:27.39 | sancus | a wand that used for a very very very long time |
| 14:27.42 | sancus | er I |
| 14:27.46 | Tauop | the mage Zg stuff is pretty well and better than the T1 set |
| 14:27.54 | sancus | shadowfiend is NOT a waste of mana, are you crazy? |
| 14:27.58 | Trae | heh |
| 14:28.04 | Trae | 15secs |
| 14:28.05 | sancus | It's like evocation for priests |
| 14:28.11 | Trae | and he goes bye bye |
| 14:28.15 | sancus | um yes |
| 14:28.15 | Tauop | evocation for priest Oo ? |
| 14:28.20 | Trae | maybe I don't understand how he's used |
| 14:28.26 | sancus | it gives 2.5x the damage it deals in mana back. |
| 14:28.28 | Tauop | ha yes |
| 14:28.33 | sancus | If it was up for more than 15s, it would be broken. |
| 14:28.58 | Trae | so you use him when your mana is low huh? |
| 14:29.01 | sancus | correct |
| 14:29.08 | Tauop | a priest 69, friend of mine, tells me that his pet can make him earn more than 2500 of mana |
| 14:29.12 | Trae | ok I'll play with that... |
| 14:29.17 | sancus | it gives thousands of mana back for a shadow priest especially |
| 14:29.22 | Trae | crazy |
| 14:29.37 | Trae | Everyone hates on shadow. Everyone. :( |
| 14:29.51 | Tepetkhet | Not anymore. |
| 14:29.53 | sancus | idiots |
| 14:29.54 | Trae | and wtf is up with Mana Toombs... that place is hard |
| 14:29.56 | Tauop | the probleme is that he is 69 with around 6900 of mana |
| 14:29.56 | Trae | heh |
| 14:30.00 | sancus | it's the most powerful caster dps spec in the game |
| 14:30.02 | sancus | by leaps and bounds |
| 14:30.08 | Trae | Tauop, ouch, I have 7100 @ 66 |
| 14:30.08 | Tauop | I am mage lvl 68 with more than 8000 of mana... |
| 14:30.10 | sancus | makes every other caster class look pretty dumb |
| 14:30.30 | Tauop | BC sucks for mage |
| 14:30.39 | sancus | http://www.cs.iastate.edu/~vulture/WoW/maulgardm.jpg |
| 14:30.39 | Tauop | only demonist stuff with lot of endurence |
| 14:30.42 | Tauop | grr |
| 14:30.48 | sancus | #3 = shadow priest and his gear is like half as good as the warlocks, if not worse |
| 14:31.02 | Tauop | pff |
| 14:31.04 | Trae | Do you guys feel Enchanting is a wasted profession with BC and jewelcrafting? |
| 14:31.15 | sancus | no? |
| 14:31.19 | sancus | ring enchants |
| 14:31.20 | equiraptor | No. I just feel it's a wasted profession. |
| 14:31.23 | Tauop | 9200 of life.... a wawa of my guild has 10 000 and we see demonist wih 9200 :s |
| 14:31.25 | sancus | also |
| 14:31.26 | equiraptor | Umm, did I say that out loud? |
| 14:31.33 | Tauop | WTF blizzard and demonist :s |
| 14:31.33 | Trae | lol |
| 14:31.35 | sancus | do you know how OBSCENELY expensive large prismatic shards are right now? |
| 14:31.36 | sancus | it makes me cry |
| 14:31.58 | sancus | Tauop: What? |
| 14:32.04 | sancus | what does hp have to do with anything, im confused |
| 14:32.13 | sancus | hp is worthless in raids |
| 14:32.16 | dok3Dal | my War as 12k slfbuff, my Girlfiend play a demo and have 9k6 |
| 14:32.36 | Tauop | there is lots of stuff for demonist with +45 / +50 in endurence |
| 14:32.46 | sancus | im |
| 14:32.47 | sancus | er um |
| 14:32.51 | sancus | you didn't listen to what I said |
| 14:32.54 | sancus | hp is worthless in raids |
| 14:33.12 | Tauop | yes but for a demo : hp = mana |
| 14:33.23 | sancus | So what? |
| 14:33.26 | sancus | you don't need hp |
| 14:33.44 | sancus | you get healed when you lifetap, why would you waste gear on hp |
| 14:33.53 | sancus | one renew doubles your hp = mana |
| 14:34.10 | sancus | That warlock has almost 1100 +shadow damage. |
| 14:34.16 | dok3Dal | one lifetap = 1k life less |
| 14:34.27 | dok3Dal | more than 1k |
| 14:34.52 | sancus | not sure what relevance that has |
| 14:35.09 | dok3Dal | you cannot hope that this fucking shadow priest use his mana on you for healing that and avoid beeing oneshotted |
| 14:35.15 | sancus | ???? |
| 14:35.23 | sancus | have you ever played a warlock in a raid? |
| 14:35.56 | sancus | shadow priests don't use their mana to heal, either |
| 14:36.01 | dok3Dal | my Girlfriend do |
| 14:36.10 | sancus | they use their mana to DPS, and their healing is a side result that costs them nothing |
| 14:36.27 | dok3Dal | yes I know it was just for the exemple :p |
| 14:36.36 | sancus | and yes, you CAN hope that priests heal you |
| 14:36.46 | sancus | because in a competent raid, priests put heals over time on warlocks who are life tapping |
| 14:36.52 | sancus | So that they can do 1000dps. |
| 14:37.01 | sancus | Rather than wasting gear slots on stamina gear so they can get an extra few thousand hp |
| 14:37.02 | dok3Dal | you cannot count on it a 100% |
| 14:37.05 | sancus | yes you can |
| 14:37.29 | sancus | "competent raid" means you can trust your guild mates to do what is optimal for the raid |
| 14:37.38 | sancus | Optimal means healing warlocks when they need mana |
| 14:38.50 | dok3Dal | it depends of the raid setup and lots of others things, it is more the case now that raid are 10 and 25 meaning lower manapool than before |
| 14:39.02 | sancus | heh, no, it doesnt |
| 14:39.17 | dok3Dal | so there is case where healers cannot |
| 14:39.20 | sancus | You organize your raid so that these things happen by themselves if you expect to have a good raid |
| 14:40.08 | dok3Dal | but there is another thing that made stam very usefull for warlock |
| 14:40.12 | Tepetkhet | Meh, nobody wants to heal anymore. |
| 14:40.18 | dok3Dal | if they are sacrifice |
| 14:40.34 | Tepetkhet | Priests want to DPS, druids want to DPS, Shaman want to DPS, even Paladins want to DPS. |
| 14:40.37 | dok3Dal | voidwalker sacrifice > all for farming |
| 14:40.58 | dok3Dal | and this regen is % of hp |
| 14:41.08 | Tepetkhet | So then the tank fights to hold aggro and then dies due to no heals. |
| 14:41.09 | sancus | I find it very, very hard to imagine the raid situation where even a half decent priest couldn't spare 450 mana to restore nearly 3000 mana to a warlock |
| 14:41.10 | dok3Dal | the more you have the more you get |
| 14:41.50 | dok3Dal | sancus you are right on farmed boss |
| 14:41.53 | sancus | farming has nothing to do with that screenshot |
| 14:42.13 | sancus | when he goes to farm, I'm sure his gear set is completely different |
| 14:42.24 | dok3Dal | but on learning curve when you have ~just~ the stuff for a fight |
| 14:42.34 | sancus | on learning curve when you have JUST the stuff for the fight |
| 14:42.38 | dok3Dal | you can be in situation where heals cannot spare mana on locks |
| 14:42.41 | sancus | a warlock doing the kind of damage that that warlock does is worth FAR more |
| 14:42.57 | sancus | than healers who cannot be arsed to spare a global cooldown and mana at a 1:6 conversion ratio |
| 14:43.33 | sancus | actually |
| 14:44.12 | sancus | 1:8, my bad, I forgot about fel armor |
| 14:44.20 | dok3Dal | this lock dont have lots of mana |
| 14:44.42 | equiraptor | Hey, I like healing! |
| 14:44.52 | equiraptor | I just want to be able to DPS while solo. :( |
| 14:45.03 | sancus | dok3Dal: You clearly have no understanding of the warlock class in raids, so you really should stop :P |
| 14:45.14 | dok3Dal | my gf has 9k6 hp and 9k+ mana and she do this kind of dps |
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| 14:45.27 | Tepetkhet | I was running around grinding and questing on my rogue with my warrior friend. |
| 14:45.28 | sancus | no, she doesnt |
| 14:45.32 | sancus | please don't bullshit the ops, thanks |
| 14:45.52 | dok3Dal | belive what you want :p |
| 14:45.59 | Tepetkhet | Wait, wait... |
| 14:46.01 | dok3Dal | I will do same |
| 14:46.09 | Tepetkhet | SS or it didn't happen. ;) |
| 14:46.15 | equiraptor | haha |
| 14:46.21 | sancus | um |
| 14:46.33 | Tepetkhet | (SS = screenshot in this case) |
| 14:46.57 | sancus | jeez |
| 14:47.14 | sancus | sorry I just dont know how to respond to willful ignorance :P |
| 14:47.37 | Tepetkhet | Well, that's generally the response I see on the forums anyway. |
| 14:47.37 | sancus | but please, I sure would like to see a screenshot of your gf doing 650 dps in a raid! |
| 14:48.15 | Tepetkhet | Wish I had FRAPS footage of my rogue tanking Garr! |
| 14:49.27 | sancus | 650 dps wasnt even possible sustained for locks pre-bc |
| 14:50.13 | Tepetkhet | So I was grinding last night on my rogue with my tank buddy... |
| 14:50.26 | sancus | my damage is bad on that screenshot but I guess I shouldn't feel bad because I was tanking :p |
| 14:50.31 | Tepetkhet | And every time, the mob would turn around to take a look at me. |
| 14:50.35 | dok3Dal | it was |
| 14:50.37 | Tepetkhet | So I started making cracks at him... |
| 14:51.02 | Tepetkhet | That I would be the tank again. |
| 14:51.16 | Tepetkhet | And started purposefully tearing aggro from him. |
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| 14:51.31 | Tepetkhet | He was upset because I took less damage. |
| 14:51.31 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 14:52.59 | Tepetkhet | It was fun. |
| 14:53.02 | Tepetkhet | Stuff died fast. |
| 14:54.03 | equiraptor | Rumpus can't hold aggro against me, if I try. |
| 14:54.28 | equiraptor | Rumpus plays a rogue. I'm playing a feral spec'd druid. If I sit in kitty form and we both DPS our brains out, I get the mob. |
| 14:54.46 | sancus | because you dont have a built-in threat reduction |
| 14:54.49 | equiraptor | We don't have any DPS meters running, so I don't actually know who's doing more DPS. I don't know what aggro generating or losing talents we may have. |
| 14:54.50 | sancus | rogues do |
| 14:54.56 | equiraptor | Yeah, I figured. |
| 14:55.01 | sancus | rogues do 20% less threat inherently always |
| 14:55.06 | sancus | as do warriors in battle/zerk stance |
| 14:55.28 | equiraptor | He still claims I do more DPS than him, but he's spec'd for backstab-in-the-face, not damage. |
| 14:55.35 | Tepetkhet | HAHAHA |
| 14:56.15 | sancus | you probably do more dps |
| 14:56.19 | sancus | feral is pretty crazy |
| 14:56.21 | sancus | bears are just flat-out broken |
| 14:56.26 | equiraptor | Heh |
| 14:56.31 | Tepetkhet | <3 Improved Leader of the Pack. |
| 14:56.38 | sancus | wondering when the nerf is inc there |
| 14:56.41 | equiraptor | Oh, I love imp LoP. |
| 14:56.43 | sancus | the amount of damage they can do WHILE tanking is obscene |
| 14:56.47 | Tepetkhet | yah |
| 14:57.13 | equiraptor | And yet when I want to go heal, I still have nice, big, happy heals. |
| 14:57.14 | dok3Dal | duids agro scale with damage |
| 14:57.21 | Tepetkhet | Druids are just incredibly imbalanced right now, and I just keep thinking it must be to make up for all the crap they got from guilds about their spec. |
| 14:57.31 | Tepetkhet | And the tough time they had finding parties for instances. |
| 14:57.51 | equiraptor | Make us overpowered, so everyone wants us, then tone it back down to reasonible? |
| 14:58.02 | Tepetkhet | Yeah. |
| 14:58.07 | Tepetkhet | Something like that. |
| 14:58.30 | sancus | druid agro doesnt scale with damage anymore |
| 14:58.32 | sancus | they nerfed that |
| 14:58.32 | Tepetkhet | "zomg I want 2b a durid now!" |
| 14:58.34 | sancus | well |
| 14:58.35 | sancus | they nerfed it some |
| 14:58.38 | dok3Dal | just to know ... how muck dodge do you have in bear form? |
| 14:58.57 | equiraptor | I dunno. I haven't checked it recently. |
| 14:59.07 | equiraptor | Cat was just over 25%, if that tells you anything... |
| 14:59.18 | Tepetkhet | My dodge and crit are both at about 30% |
| 14:59.20 | equiraptor | (I think that is self-buffed, but without any pots, etc.) |
| 14:59.21 | Tepetkhet | level 62 rogue |
| 14:59.26 | Tepetkhet | Unbuffed |
| 14:59.27 | dok3Dal | but cat gain more dodge from agi than bear |
| 14:59.53 | sancus | bear form stopped scaling threat with damage in 2.0.3 when they took the modifiers away from maul/swipe |
| 14:59.54 | dok3Dal | can druids parry ? |
| 15:00.00 | Tepetkhet | My tank friend says, "OMG NERF that!" every time we see a druid now. |
| 15:00.10 | Tepetkhet | Especially if he's grinding where we are. |
| 15:00.11 | sancus | their threat's really not any better than a warrior these days |
| 15:00.16 | Tepetkhet | Or in flight form. |
| 15:00.17 | equiraptor | No, I'm pretty sure we can't parry. |
| 15:00.45 | equiraptor | For the first time, I feel like I've willingly chosen a main. |
| 15:00.49 | Tepetkhet | Okay, time to make the coffee. |
| 15:00.53 | dok3Dal | so you cant parry, cant block and have globaly less def than warrior |
| 15:01.05 | dok3Dal | but you have globaly more ac and same stam |
| 15:01.23 | equiraptor | With the change to stam multipliers, we may have more.... |
| 15:01.25 | equiraptor | I dunno. |
| 15:01.33 | equiraptor | I just enjoy playing the charcter. :) |
| 15:01.54 | dok3Dal | yesterday we have a druid tank @ Karazhan, he have around 13khp... same as me |
| 15:02.04 | dok3Dal | but more ac |
| 15:02.07 | equiraptor | How did the gear compare? |
| 15:02.32 | equiraptor | With the multipliers, a small change in gear can mean a big difference in bear. |
| 15:02.33 | dok3Dal | dunno |
| 15:03.27 | dok3Dal | so in fact you dont parry so lost a potential 15% mitigation and cant block so cannot reduce the amount of crushing blow you take. |
| 15:04.04 | dok3Dal | and having less def you will take more crit |
| 15:04.09 | Kirkburn | Wow - just watching Family Guy and American Dad, decided to look it up on the internet. The guy behind them both, Seth MacFarlane, was supposed to be on American Airlines Flight 11 on 9/11, but he missed his flight :/ |
| 15:04.11 | dok3Dal | and beeing less miss |
| 15:04.28 | dok3Dal | missed* |
| 15:04.30 | equiraptor | I don't know that we have less def, unless you specify a specific talent set for the warrior. |
| 15:04.39 | sancus | er |
| 15:04.52 | sancus | bears pre-BC tended to have more hp than an equally geared(based on itemlevel) warrior |
| 15:04.58 | sancus | so I'd imagine they should have wildly more now that bear form is am ultiplier |
| 15:05.13 | sancus | but hp isnt as important atm |
| 15:05.15 | Kirkburn | See here's how I deal with gear and stats. I ignore it, and just get stuff with higher numbers. |
| 15:05.23 | sancus | because it's scaled so fast that there aren't any raid encounters where tank burst damage is an issue |
| 15:05.23 | sancus | yet |
| 15:05.37 | sancus | at least |
| 15:05.42 | sancus | tank burst damage on _plate_ classes |
| 15:05.51 | equiraptor | They said they're moving away from burst-damage based fights, didn't they? |
| 15:05.51 | sancus | (fuck krosh) |
| 15:05.56 | sancus | dunno |
| 15:05.58 | sancus | its possible |
| 15:06.10 | sancus | (mages tank on the first boss in gruul's lair and have to survive 9.5k burst dmg :P) |
| 15:06.21 | equiraptor | heh |
| 15:06.27 | dok3Dal | they also said that they're moving away from resist-based fight |
| 15:07.24 | equiraptor | Oh, druids can spec to reduce the chance they're critically hit. |
| 15:07.46 | equiraptor | (by up to 3%, while increasing all attributes by 3% with the same 3 points) :) |
| 15:08.53 | sancus | I'd have to call bullshit on the moving away from resist-based fights |
| 15:08.56 | dok3Dal | I know, it reduce the def needed to be crit immune from 140 to 65 |
| 15:09.10 | sancus | Because there wouldn't be as much epic craftable resist gear as there is if they weren't still going to have key fights be resist basd :P |
| 15:09.17 | sancus | and they've "claimed" to "move away" before |
| 15:09.20 | sancus | then we had naxx |
| 15:09.44 | sancus | plus never underestimate their capability to create raids that make you hate the game |
| 15:09.53 | sancus | they proved that with loatheb, they dont need resists to make you want to kill yourself |
| 15:11.36 | sancus | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=71653187&sid=1 -> lol |
| 15:13.43 | sancus | (third reply) |
| 15:14.29 | Tepetkhet | Well, I heard that bosses will scale...and so you'll need more resist gear to hit up the same bosses from pre-BC. |
| 15:14.40 | Tepetkhet | I dunno. I don't quite understand the mechanics. |
| 15:14.40 | mitch0 | I don't get it... [never been to that instance, so probly I miss something important here] |
| 15:16.02 | equiraptor | I don't think you need to be there to get it. |
| 15:16.13 | sancus | heh |
| 15:16.13 | equiraptor | The point is, "take out the complex crap and give us something simple that WORKS!" |
| 15:16.24 | sancus | the entire overrated guild got banned permanently |
| 15:16.25 | sancus | wholesale |
| 15:16.38 | sancus | for removing the floor in Ahn'Qiraj to skip directly to C'thun using the clientside model replacement hack |
| 15:16.40 | equiraptor | Oh, nevermind. |
| 15:16.47 | sancus | several weeks in a row |
| 15:16.48 | equiraptor | I didn't remember that was the name of that guild. :) |
| 15:16.54 | sancus | I remember. |
| 15:17.02 | sancus | We had a thing with them :P |
| 15:17.14 | equiraptor | heh :) |
| 15:17.28 | Kirkburn | If off to do some IF starting quests :) |
| 15:17.34 | Tepetkhet | You had a thing with them? |
| 15:17.47 | Tepetkhet | Did it end in tears? |
| 15:17.54 | Kirkburn | *I'm .... damn I've done them all, haven't I :/ |
| 15:18.00 | Tepetkhet | ... |
| 15:18.21 | Kirkburn | I want a ram as well as a stormsaber :P |
| 15:18.31 | Kirkburn | Runecloth donations it is, i guess |
| 15:18.34 | mitch0 | I want an elephant |
| 15:18.36 | Tepetkhet | What special mounts can we get in the BC? |
| 15:18.38 | equiraptor | me wanty elekk! For my gnome. |
| 15:18.39 | Kirkburn | I've got a rock. |
| 15:18.48 | Tepetkhet | I heard there was a special goat mount. |
| 15:19.00 | Kirkburn | Talbuk? |
| 15:19.06 | equiraptor | They're cute. :) |
| 15:19.32 | Tepetkhet | Yeah. |
| 15:19.33 | Tepetkhet | Talbuk. |
| 15:19.51 | sancus | from halaa? |
| 15:19.53 | sancus | yeah |
| 15:19.59 | sancus | sadly all non-flying mounts are poo :( |
| 15:20.18 | Tepetkhet | "Talbuks are used as Mounts by some of the Nagrand factions. Reach Exhalted with them to be able to purchase these Epic-speed Mounts." |
| 15:20.19 | equiraptor | The flying mounts are disappointing. |
| 15:20.26 | Tepetkhet | Disappointing?? |
| 15:20.32 | sancus | what |
| 15:20.34 | sancus | are you on crack sir |
| 15:20.36 | Tepetkhet | I saw somebody with a swift purple windstrider. |
| 15:20.39 | sancus | they RULE |
| 15:20.41 | sancus | well |
| 15:20.42 | Tepetkhet | It was so beautiful. |
| 15:20.45 | mitch0 | they look crap on the ground, that's true |
| 15:20.45 | Tepetkhet | I had to stop and stare. |
| 15:20.47 | sancus | the slow flying mounts are disappointing, agreed |
| 15:20.48 | Tepetkhet | No |
| 15:20.54 | Tepetkhet | This was on the ground. |
| 15:20.59 | sancus | the fast ones are ridiculous |
| 15:21.00 | Tepetkhet | And I was still impressed. |
| 15:21.16 | sancus | I admit |
| 15:21.25 | sancus | I would prefer /slightly/ more realistic flight characteristics |
| 15:21.28 | sancus | but meh, minor quibble |
| 15:21.38 | equiraptor | They're friggin' disappointing. |
| 15:21.43 | sancus | and I'm sure there's some stupid lore explanation |
| 15:21.44 | equiraptor | The lack of choices. |
| 15:21.47 | sancus | since outland is a weird place |
| 15:21.49 | equiraptor | Is just... Pathetic. |
| 15:21.52 | sancus | what do you mean? |
| 15:21.57 | dok3Dal | http://www.infini-fr.com/Gallerie/Animaux/Oiseaux/poule.jpg << Ally flying mount on the ground |
| 15:22.07 | sancus | Its not like we had a lot of epic mount choice at release, dude :P |
| 15:22.08 | equiraptor | I was hoping there'd continue to be a few for each race. |
| 15:22.14 | sancus | <3 green skeletal horse |
| 15:22.17 | equiraptor | "dude" "sir"? |
| 15:22.31 | equiraptor | And, I wasn't here at release. I didn't start playing until March 2005. |
| 15:22.37 | sancus | it flies |
| 15:22.42 | sancus | it goes 280% regular speed |
| 15:22.50 | sancus | it probably required three times the art time that any of the ground mounts required |
| 15:22.54 | sancus | its hard to complain imo |
| 15:23.19 | equiraptor | That doesn't change the fact that I only get a friggin' gryphon. |
| 15:23.24 | Flaska | see you later for good |
| 15:23.31 | equiraptor | At least let me choose a hippogryph! |
| 15:23.34 | sancus | win an arena season |
| 15:23.38 | sancus | then you can have a netherdrake |
| 15:23.38 | equiraptor | I don't PvP. |
| 15:23.42 | sancus | ok |
| 15:23.46 | sancus | do the netherwind rep grind, then |
| 15:23.48 | sancus | when its put in :P |
| 15:23.51 | equiraptor | I shouldn't have to. |
| 15:23.51 | sancus | er netherwing |
| 15:24.10 | sancus | at least the flying mounts work properly |
| 15:24.10 | equiraptor | I'm disappointed that I can't at least chose a hippogryph, rather than gryphon, without having to do anything extra. |
| 15:24.14 | axxo | one quest gives 42k netherwing rep :P |
| 15:24.15 | sancus | that's more than you can say for the instances or quests |
| 15:24.25 | sancus | axxo: ... which gets you to neutral, yes ;) |
| 15:24.33 | equiraptor | Yeah. I appreciate that they work, and that they're attainable. |
| 15:24.36 | equiraptor | I didn't say they sucked. |
| 15:24.44 | equiraptor | I just said I was disappointed by the lack of choice. |
| 15:24.45 | sancus | I can see how one might be disappointed |
| 15:24.46 | sancus | you are just too new |
| 15:24.52 | axxo | you can chose a hippgryph? |
| 15:24.52 | equiraptor | Too new? |
| 15:24.54 | sancus | you haven't been jaded to expect the minimum from blizzard, yet ;) |
| 15:24.56 | equiraptor | no, axxo. |
| 15:25.01 | equiraptor | That's my point. I wish you could. |
| 15:25.12 | equiraptor | That's not because I'm new. |
| 15:25.24 | axxo | i have no complaints about 280% flying, its the best thing since baked bread no mather how it looks |
| 15:25.27 | equiraptor | I'm not, really. I was only a few months after release. |
| 15:26.12 | sancus | they probably didn't do more because of the art time |
| 15:26.18 | equiraptor | Yeah. |
| 15:26.26 | sancus | the one part of blizzard you simply cannot complain about is the art |
| 15:26.29 | equiraptor | But I'd rather wait another month for TBC and have more choices. :( |
| 15:26.35 | sancus | they have literally an order of magnitude more art in the game than any previous mmog |
| 15:26.37 | sancus | and any existing mmog |
| 15:26.41 | sancus | its literally awe inspiring |
| 15:27.11 | sancus | Tepetkhet: You're 30, bald, and fat until you go on TS and prove otherwise. |
| 15:27.23 | equiraptor | Just google me, sancus. |
| 15:27.24 | sancus | welcome to IRC! |
| 15:27.39 | equiraptor | I think google knows more about me than I do. |
| 15:28.06 | sancus | You can just say "I'm a girl, don't use male pronouns on me.", and I won't, y'know ;) |
| 15:28.23 | sancus | but the soundness of my assumptions stand! |
| 15:28.43 | Tepetkhet | Bah, Teamspeak. |
| 15:28.48 | sancus | or vent |
| 15:28.49 | sancus | wtfever |
| 15:28.54 | Tepetkhet | I've known guys who sound like girls on Vent. |
| 15:28.54 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 15:29.00 | sancus | hail, a_generic_voice_chat_01 |
| 15:29.38 | equiraptor | I prefer owning a google search to using voice. ;) |
| 15:30.00 | sancus | you can google me too, if you want! |
| 15:30.23 | equiraptor | Ah, but is nearly every one of the results returned you? |
| 15:31.07 | sancus | no |
| 15:31.13 | sancus | just like 30% of the ones on the first two pages |
| 15:31.19 | sancus | my website used to be the second result, I've lost ground :( |
| 15:31.26 | sancus | which isnt surprising |
| 15:31.29 | sancus | given my website has no content |
| 15:31.29 | sancus | but hey |
| 15:31.42 | equiraptor | Every one of the results returned for equiraptor (when I last checked) were either me, or about the place I got the name. :) |
| 15:31.56 | sancus | well yes |
| 15:31.58 | sancus | same for me :P |
| 15:32.07 | sancus | the place I got the name is gaining ground though :( |
| 15:33.18 | equiraptor | Dang. |
| 15:33.26 | sancus | also: dirty night elf |
| 15:33.34 | equiraptor | I think I'm on page 5 of the search, and still haven't found something that isn't me. |
| 15:35.11 | equiraptor | Oh, there we go. Finally, the source, on page 9. |
| 15:35.36 | sancus | it makes me a bit sad |
| 15:35.52 | sancus | that most of the links to me are because of my job :P |
| 15:36.32 | equiraptor | heh |
| 15:37.07 | sancus | I'm also pretty sure I've met more texans than is really healthy for anyone |
| 15:37.16 | equiraptor | Nah. |
| 15:37.26 | equiraptor | If meeting Texans was that unhealthy, none of us would be around anymore. :-P |
| 15:39.11 | sancus | for non-texans, I should've specified :P |
| 15:39.51 | equiraptor | Awwww |
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| 15:44.15 | sancus | It's OK, I've built up a tolerance |
| 15:45.39 | sancus | I'm really just joking, the texans I know are no different from anyone else, the concentration among the people I know is just odd |
| 15:45.39 | sancus | it's probably because austin is quite the game development town |
| 15:45.41 | equiraptor | Well, a lot of Texans do fit the "they're idiots" stereotype. |
| 15:45.52 | equiraptor | Austin is the little island of "sane." ;) |
| 15:46.07 | sancus | yeah, all the austinites I know seem to hate most of the rest of texas pretty much |
| 15:46.08 | equiraptor | Of course, there are a lot of people who don't fit the stereotype, too. :) |
| 15:46.10 | sancus | especially places like dallas |
| 15:46.57 | equiraptor | I know a guy from Houston who doesn't know the difference between a dog and a horse. |
| 15:48.18 | sancus | I'm just going to take that statement at face value and move along. |
| 15:48.44 | equiraptor | hah |
| 15:48.54 | equiraptor | Well, I'm going to explain, anyway. :-P |
| 15:49.12 | equiraptor | I asked him for directions to the dog track in Houston. He gave me directions to the horse track. |
| 15:49.27 | equiraptor | When we discovered that, we called a Canadian friend and had *him* give us directions to the dog track. |
| 15:49.32 | sancus | lol |
| 15:49.55 | sancus | I am Canadian, fwiw, if none of my google links indicate that :P |
| 15:50.22 | equiraptor | Said Canadian friend has since moved to New Zealand. :-P |
| 15:52.05 | sancus | FINE |
| 15:52.19 | sancus | http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn10971&feedId=online-news_rss20 |
| 16:02.06 | sancus | I actually know someone going to new zealand to go to school to be a teacher since they couldn't get in in canada, heh |
| 16:13.27 | sancus | why must mysql suck so much :( |
| 16:13.55 | Tepetkhet | Because it's not Postgresql. |
| 16:13.57 | sancus | http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2006/09/06/slow-query-log-analyzes-tools/ |
| 16:14.00 | equiraptor | I dunno, but I know a DBA who would give you an earful. |
| 16:14.05 | sancus | WHO IMPLEMENTS A QUERY SPEED LOGGER IN _SECONDS_? |
| 16:14.15 | equiraptor | Hahahaha |
| 16:14.28 | sancus | and I have to fucking patch mysql to fix it if I want |
| 16:14.29 | sancus | gg |
| 16:15.01 | sancus | that's really not high on the list of things I would like to do to the wowwiki mysql server |
| 16:15.45 | sancus | vent 2.1, own server, done |
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| 16:20.06 | Adys | Jesus christ guys |
| 16:20.08 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Adys] by ChanServ |
| 16:20.40 | Adys | move the template signing discussing elsewhere |
| 16:21.23 | sancus | I've decided its best for the wiki |
| 16:21.26 | sancus | if we just remove templates |
| 16:21.31 | sancus | this will be implemented within 2 hours |
| 16:21.45 | Adys | infobot, give sancus a cookie |
| 16:21.59 | infobot | ACTION gives sancus a home-baked peanut butter cookie to cheer him up. |
| 16:21.59 | sancus | also, anyone caught editing templates will be banned |
| 16:22.00 | sancus | and we will send the black helicopters to their house |
| 16:28.02 | equiraptor | Mmmm, black helicopters.... |
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| 16:59.16 | Tuqui-tuqui | good afternoon :) |
| 17:11.16 | Tepetkhet | hi |
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| 17:28.00 | Tepetkhet | Okay. |
| 17:28.06 | Tepetkhet | Less than an hour response to e-mail. |
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| 17:33.48 | Tepetkhet | Found a Vent host that allows FULL control through a control panel. Adjust every Vent setting you can think of on the fly, restart server. |
| 17:34.05 | Tepetkhet | Very nice control panel. |
| 17:35.25 | Zeal | lo all |
| 17:39.56 | Kirkburn | hullo |
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| 17:44.34 | Zeal | hey Kirkburn, did you see the message from tekkub btw? |
| 17:51.32 | Zeal | well anyways.. it's why i've been saying constantly, stop using <imagelink> for internal images. Navigational images are not symentically correct period, but even more important, is that they're not desriable behavior when using internal images. |
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| 18:03.31 | Kirkburn | What message? |
| 18:06.50 | Zeal | <@Tekkub> it appears <imagelink> doesn't show up in image's "what links here", and thus you thought the image was unused, but it wasn't... |
| 18:07.14 | Zeal | something i've said before :P |
| 18:08.39 | Zeal | darn it, and adys has gone too : / |
| 18:11.11 | Kirkburn | Oh yes, that |
| 18:11.14 | tliff_ | the socket pics in http://www.wowwiki.com/Cyclone_Armor#Stats arent working properly =/ |
| 18:11.27 | Kirkburn | If you have to imagelink an image, make sure it's said on the image page |
| 18:11.43 | Kirkburn | And obviously avoid them when possible |
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| 18:12.33 | Kirkburn | 4 mins ago: "<Zeal> darn it, and adys has gone too : /" |
| 18:12.48 | Adys | net problems >< |
| 18:12.57 | Adys | whats up? |
| 18:13.21 | amro | i need soda |
| 18:13.23 | Kirkburn | Evil, pure evil, that's what's up |
| 18:17.59 | Zeal | oh, the template signing talk, feel free to move it, i agree. |
| 18:18.39 | Zeal | anyways.. yes sorry tliff_ partly mine and Kirkburn's fault, but mostly the fault of the person who wrote those articles.. |
| 18:19.19 | tliff_ | Seems like Template:Red_Socket_Icon and the others are wrong, should i fix that? |
| 18:19.22 | Zeal | wait, no, what? :s |
| 18:19.30 | Zeal | they're fien on the page |
| 18:19.37 | tliff_ | really? |
| 18:19.38 | Zeal | and those templates are depreciated.. |
| 18:19.53 | tliff_ | thats what they look like ;) |
| 18:20.39 | Zeal | nope, just pruged, they're fine atm |
| 18:21.13 | Zeal | and they're using the correct icons again. |
| 18:21.14 | Zeal | *-again |
| 18:21.15 | Kirkburn | Woo, hit 400 stamina :) |
| 18:21.16 | tliff_ | kk |
| 18:21.27 | Adys | hehe kirk |
| 18:21.46 | Zeal | wait.. wtf is going on.. |
| 18:21.46 | Adys | http://adys.stools.net/hp.jpg had a new record the other day |
| 18:21.50 | Zeal | hold on tliff_.. |
| 18:22.09 | tliff_ | i'm glad i didnt touch anything ;) |
| 18:22.41 | Kirkburn | Adys, lol |
| 18:22.59 | Kirkburn | Wow, 4.3k mana =) |
| 18:23.01 | Adys | :D |
| 18:23.11 | Adys | when Ill have better gear |
| 18:23.18 | Adys | Ill enchant it and use flasks/worldbuffs etc |
| 18:23.30 | Adys | 20k should be doable easy |
| 18:23.32 | Adys | 25k... maybe |
| 18:23.36 | Zeal | ok, yes. it's all fine, however Template:Red_Socket, and that tooltip template is depreciated |
| 18:23.50 | Zeal | all of those are. |
| 18:24.15 | tliff_ | k |
| 18:24.27 | Zeal | may i ask what it is you are seeing wrong? |
| 18:28.16 | Tuqui-tuqui | ¬.¬ |
| 18:28.23 | equiraptor | Thanks. |
| 18:28.27 | Tepetkhet | hm |
| 18:28.28 | equiraptor | I don't need the trans-fats. ;) |
| 18:28.29 | Tepetkhet | Not a good sign. |
| 18:28.49 | Tuqui-tuqui | theres no longer any transfat in fast food -.- |
| 18:29.02 | equiraptor | Are you sure? |
| 18:29.05 | equiraptor | This isn't a national chain. |
| 18:29.06 | tliff_ | Zeal: mom |
| 18:29.10 | Tuqui-tuqui | well at least in NYC =\ |
| 18:29.16 | equiraptor | And our area hasn't outlawed transfats yet. |
| 18:29.21 | Tepetkhet | I mean, I don't even feel a hunger headache, dizzy, or stomach pain. |
| 18:29.31 | amro | im thirsty |
| 18:29.50 | Tepetkhet | So either the rest of my pain is so overwhelmingly bad that it's drowning out my usual hunger triggers... |
| 18:29.51 | Zeal | mom? :S |
| 18:29.55 | Tuqui-tuqui | :o |
| 18:29.56 | Tuqui-tuqui | AMG! |
| 18:29.58 | Tuqui-tuqui | PREGGERS? |
| 18:29.59 | equiraptor | Tepetkhet: That can happen. |
| 18:30.07 | tliff_ | Zeal: http://wowwiki.com/Cyclone_Armor#Stats in the sockets row i only see namers |
| 18:30.16 | equiraptor | I lost 20 pounds due to arthritis pain causing appetite loss. |
| 18:30.17 | tliff_ | Zeal: i was actually expecting small pictures ;) |
| 18:30.22 | Tepetkhet | hm |
| 18:30.39 | equiraptor | And I didn't weigh that much to begin with! |
| 18:30.42 | Tepetkhet | I've been feeling very tired, ill, and sore overall. |
| 18:30.49 | Tepetkhet | I could stand to lose another 20 lbs. |
| 18:30.50 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 18:30.53 | Zeal | wtf.. been logged out :S |
| 18:31.11 | equiraptor | Ok, I lost 1/5th of my weight due to it. :-P |
| 18:31.35 | Tepetkhet | :( |
| 18:31.50 | Zeal | oh, i get you now.. |
| 18:32.22 | Zeal | yes, the template is depreciated. for now, i'll just replace the image to the correct one. |
| 18:32.32 | tliff_ | thank you |
| 18:33.08 | amro | if i lose 20lbs you'd see me flying around with the breeze |
| 18:33.46 | equiraptor | Once I hit 68 you'll see me flying around... |
| 18:33.47 | equiraptor | ;) |
| 18:34.27 | amro | that reminds me, i hit 18 today |
| 18:34.47 | amro | i get to drive (yes legal age here for driving is 18) |
| 18:35.05 | Zeal | another reason why <imagelink> should not be used for internal images, you see no sign of error, just no image. |
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| 18:37.35 | amro | im going to kill the guy that wrote mod_python |
| 18:39.03 | Zeal | should be fixed now tliff_ |
| 18:39.14 | tliff_ | works fine |
| 18:39.16 | tliff_ | thanks |
| 18:39.19 | Zeal | np |
| 18:40.24 | amro | what happened to mikk? |
| 18:40.39 | Zeal | been absent of late :s |
| 18:45.13 | amro | since 2.0 it seems |
| 18:45.20 | Zeal | rofl |
| 18:45.23 | Zeal | dun dun dun |
| 18:45.34 | Zeal | he wad not prepared :P |
| 18:45.37 | Zeal | *was |
| 18:46.31 | Kirkburn | Heh, he's still around, just busy elsewhere |
| 18:46.45 | Zeal | lol |
| 18:54.46 | Zeal | slow day again? darn : / |
| 18:56.59 | equiraptor | I hate being sick. |
| 18:57.31 | equiraptor | I hate that "not quite over" being sick stage. Were you no longer have an excuse to lay around the house and do nothing, but things aren't quite right, yet, either. |
| 19:00.08 | amro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhongwei_Dang |
| 19:00.31 | amro | found the link in this sentence: # 1991 - Zhongwei Dang, famous chinese world of warcraft player |
| 19:03.01 | Zeal | O_o |
| 19:03.18 | Zeal | why famous? farmed lots of gold to set a record? |
| 19:03.38 | Zeal | or did he die from playing too much? >_> |
| 19:04.38 | amro | or he died from farming too much gold |
| 19:04.42 | Zeal | lol |
| 19:05.16 | Zeal | where you found this then? :s |
| 19:05.58 | Zeal | cos google gives nadda, it's not on wikipedia, and it's not on wowwiki :s |
| 19:06.02 | amro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_31 |
| 19:06.45 | Zeal | no? :S |
| 19:07.28 | amro | well the article itself just got deleted |
| 19:08.02 | Zeal | yeah i see |
| 19:08.06 | Zeal | reading the userpage :P |
| 19:08.55 | Zeal | he was born in 1991.. heh |
| 19:09.05 | Zeal | well googling for his name gets nothing |
| 19:09.16 | amro | ZOMG he's 15 and he plays WoW!!!! |
| 19:09.29 | Zeal | lol |
| 19:09.45 | Zeal | he's probably like uber pro, but famous because hes so young.. |
| 19:09.49 | amro | try google.cn |
| 19:09.50 | Zeal | ¬_¬ |
| 19:10.01 | Zeal | it provides further results? :s |
| 19:10.22 | Zeal | nadda still |
| 19:10.58 | amro | well i meant try it and spell his name using chinese characters =P |
| 19:11.03 | Zeal | rofl |
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| 19:12.59 | Lutero | hi ppl |
| 19:13.21 | Lutero | how can you be everytime here |
| 19:14.42 | amro | hi |
| 19:14.50 | Gryphen | heya |
| 19:15.06 | Lutero | how are you? |
| 19:17.57 | Zeal | heh |
| 19:17.58 | Zeal | hey |
| 19:19.14 | Lutero | hey |
| 19:21.39 | amro | dz.archive.ubuntu.com is in GB |
| 19:21.42 | amro | liars |
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| 20:51.27 | sancus | I love the black morass CoT lore |
| 20:51.49 | sancus | "Medivh opening the dark portal might SEEM like a great thing for the alliance, but it would actually result in the end of your world." End Sentence. |
| 20:51.55 | sancus | Thanks for the detailed explanation there, buddy! |
| 20:57.43 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 20:59.54 | Adys | wowwiki has a problem <whistles> |
| 21:00.38 | weazer | screaming |
| 21:05.37 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Nefius |
| 21:05.39 | Adys | sigh |
| 21:18.27 | Adys | I semi protected the Aldor/Scryer comparison |
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| 21:26.22 | Tepetkhet | hm |
| 21:27.15 | Tepetkhet | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.16 | Tepetkhet | ?? |
| 21:27.20 | Tepetkhet | Okay, Kirby. |
| 21:27.21 | Tepetkhet | That's nice. |
| 21:34.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, I've done a complete move protection on it too |
| 21:35.08 | Adys | ah yeah nice |
| 21:35.20 | Kirkburn|afk | How I missed that I don't know :P |
| 21:35.22 | Adys | wiki is so slow it takes ages to do anything atm |
| 21:35.32 | Kirkburn|afk | I protected like the most popular 80 pages |
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| 21:35.45 | Adys | I think it wasnt created/popular by then :p |
| 21:36.02 | Kirkburn|afk | True, true |
| 21:36.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Wow, almost 800,000 now |
| 21:36.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Class ‎(842,801 views) |
| 21:36.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Comparison of Aldor and Scryer rewards ‎(798,334 views) |
| 21:36.41 | Kirkburn|afk | World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade ‎(762,589 views) |
| 21:36.47 | Kirkburn|afk | You go grrrl! :P |
| 21:36.48 | pakoz | hi all |
| 21:38.47 | Adys | ello |
| 21:39.26 | Kirkburn|afk | 'Allo 'Allo |
| 21:39.42 | Tepetkhet | The comparison page is very nice. |
| 21:39.45 | Tepetkhet | I like it a lot. |
| 21:40.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Cool |
| 21:50.14 | Zeal | debugging templates is lame.. |
| 22:09.12 | Zeal | gg sky one, technical faults, missing Lost Room :( |
| 22:12.15 | Tepetkhet | Home... |
| 22:12.16 | Tepetkhet | Later. |
| 22:12.32 | pakoz | hmm |
| 22:12.38 | pakoz | how does one add to the wiki? |
| 22:12.42 | pakoz | nvm ;x |
| 22:12.51 | pakoz | ie7 was blocking part of the page |
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| 22:26.53 | Zeal | argh! |
| 22:27.24 | Zeal | only explanation i can come up with atm >_< |
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| 22:52.18 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm trying to wangle a Blood Furnace run atm :P |
| 22:52.40 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm not too late at 65 am I? :P |
| 23:02.40 | Adys | lol kirkburn|afk |
| 23:02.52 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, have you watched lost room? |
| 23:03.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Killing stuff! |
| 23:03.39 | Adys | We went to UBRS yesterday with a 10man 70 raid |
| 23:03.44 | Adys | was quite hilarious |
| 23:03.57 | Zeal | oh ffs.. that lore policy vote is full of idiots who aren't even voting on the issue at hand, they're voting on the acknowledgement that Appendix 3 is not cannon.. >< |
| 23:04.11 | Adys | pulled the entire hatchery leeroy style without forgetting any eggs, pulled the boss aswell and the dragons up the stairs |
| 23:04.14 | Adys | aoe'd the whole =) |
| 23:09.22 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 23:09.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Nice |
| 23:13.49 | Zeal | ffs.. i don't get this |
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| 23:53.31 | Tusva | Imposter! |
| 23:53.50 | Adys8924 | Oi! |
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| 23:54.12 | Adys | :) |
| 23:54.16 | Adys | Hello my love =) |
| 23:54.35 | Tusva | <3 |
