| 00:00.54 | Zeal | lol |
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| 00:19.18 | Zeal | hey Hobinheim |
| 00:19.27 | Hobinheim | ugh that stupid alert thing actually worked |
| 00:19.28 | Hobinheim | what's up |
| 00:20.35 | Zeal | lol |
| 00:20.39 | Zeal | not much |
| 00:20.44 | Zeal | slow in here today |
| 00:27.40 | Tekkub | whatever! you are, like, not prepared, and stuf |
| 00:27.40 | Hobinheim | did illidan go back to junior high? |
| 00:27.40 | Hobinheim | HAV A NICE TRIP, BLINDIE? |
| 00:27.43 | Hobinheim | IS THAT UR DEMON FORM OR UR WUSSBAG FORM |
| 00:28.14 | Tekkub | I dunno, ever time I see the vid and he says that all I can think is "whateva! I do what I want!" |
| 00:28.36 | Hobinheim | he stomps around a little and pouts |
| 00:28.53 | Hobinheim | master, you must enslave the infidels. NO. I DUN WANNA |
| 00:28.55 | Zeal | rofl Tekkub |
| 00:28.59 | Tekkub | but moooooooooom |
| 00:29.04 | Hobinheim | stooooooooooooooooooooop |
| 00:29.12 | Hobinheim | stop it, malfurion. that's annoying |
| 00:29.15 | Hobinheim | i'm telling elune |
| 00:29.26 | Tekkub | no tagbacks! |
| 00:29.40 | Zeal | ok, well finally done with the deletion and policy templates.. *waits for the backlash* |
| 00:29.44 | Hobinheim | well you're a mana eater teeter |
| 00:30.52 | Tekkub | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1fFpstju74 |
| 00:30.56 | Tekkub | I love his mount |
| 00:31.06 | Tekkub | I have a [Swift Black CRX] |
| 00:32.00 | Zeal | though tbh, i think {{recalled}} should change to work like {{policy/proposal}} not {{rejected}} and {{ratified}} should merged with {{adopted}}. but meh. |
| 00:34.24 | Tekkub | speaking of thinking |
| 00:34.26 | Tekkub | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Jewel |
| 00:34.36 | Tekkub | Gem and Jewel _ARE_ interchangable |
| 00:35.09 | Tekkub | howoever, Socket is a weird term, it should really be called a setting |
| 00:35.37 | Tekkub | you don't socket a gem into your jewelry... you set it |
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| 00:43.38 | Zeal | you socket a gem in a socket, your set a jewel in a setting :P |
| 00:43.55 | Zeal | settings are different from sockets :P |
| 00:44.17 | Zeal | and i used gem and jewel both there just for fun :P |
| 00:45.48 | Zeal | settings are usually the open clasp type stuff you get in jewelry. sockets would would full casings for a gem to slot into, a indent in armor, a hole in a sword.. something like that. |
| 00:46.08 | Zeal | atleast that's how i see it. |
| 00:53.03 | Tekkub | well it's kinda a moot point in the end, cause the way we see "sockets" is in no way feesable |
| 00:53.18 | Zeal | me no follow |
| 00:53.26 | Tekkub | if you were to try to "socket" a stone like that, it would pop out |
| 00:53.34 | Tekkub | :) |
| 00:53.45 | Zeal | superglue ;) |
| 00:53.46 | Tekkub | I worked in jewelry for 7 years |
| 00:53.49 | Zeal | goblin made, lol |
| 00:53.51 | Tekkub | anywho |
| 00:54.05 | Tekkub | I guess my point is, gem and jewel are the same thing |
| 00:54.11 | Zeal | indeed |
| 00:54.20 | Tekkub | and Blizzy, from all I've seen, doesn't call them jewels |
| 00:54.34 | Zeal | both just another term for precious stone. |
| 00:54.50 | Tekkub | and in the real world, they're alwost always refered to as gemstones |
| 00:55.02 | Zeal | they call them gems, but all the profession stuff uses jewel :P |
| 00:55.21 | Tekkub | yea see, consistancy! |
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| 00:55.26 | Tekkub | like blue's known for that |
| 00:55.41 | Tekkub | try parsing tooltips, there's some major inconsistancies |
| 00:56.02 | Tekkub | crit rating, critical rating and critical strike rating are all used in various tips |
| 00:57.08 | kaso | ive got like 100 lines of patterns for the matching the various bonuses shown on tooltips in my addon :< |
| 00:57.11 | Tekkub | I think the whole mixup started because the pre-BC minerals are all faceted in the icons |
| 00:57.24 | Tekkub | what addon's that |
| 00:57.30 | Tekkub | ? |
| 00:58.11 | kaso | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6505-JTips.html |
| 00:58.47 | Tekkub | ahso |
| 00:59.35 | Tekkub | you know what I would like to see? |
| 00:59.48 | Tekkub | the stats sections of the char window, in the dressup window |
| 01:00.00 | Tekkub | so you can compare the stats changes directly |
| 01:00.11 | Tekkub | "oh this bow is x DPS more" |
| 01:00.36 | kaso | That would be pretty cool |
| 01:01.03 | kaso | Annoying as hell to write as an addon though, easy for blizz to do |
| 01:01.20 | Tekkub | yea blue would basically have to do it |
| 01:01.29 | Tekkub | we can't guarentee the numbers are right |
| 01:09.29 | Tekkub | nice cat kirk who's not here |
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| 02:05.07 | Zeal | well theres always equipcompare for one at a time |
| 02:05.16 | Zeal | don't think i could live without that.. |
| 02:05.20 | Zeal | hey Adys |
| 02:05.28 | Adys | ello |
| 02:06.21 | Zeal | btw, seeing as we apparently are using someones icon pack on the wiki under gnu or w/e, i've deicded to compile a complete pack of them for the wiki, with all the background colour sets, and named with names relevent to the wiki. |
| 02:07.21 | Adys | mm? |
| 02:10.32 | Zeal | you'll see shortly, jsut need to set the bg colours for the 48x48 versions then i can ul the zip |
| 02:16.33 | Zeal | http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/WoWWiki%20Icon%20Pack.zip |
| 02:22.40 | Zeal | someone screwing with the side bar? :S |
| 02:23.12 | Zeal | half the toolbox section has vanished and there was rss and atom feeds there for a while too. |
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| 03:08.41 | voidvector | are we deprecating {{lquality}}? |
| 03:08.57 | Adys | Uhm |
| 03:10.48 | Zeal | lol, always get a yes from me :P |
| 03:11.18 | Zeal | Adys, http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:WoWWiki_Icons |
| 03:11.36 | Adys | sec |
| 03:12.00 | voidvector | yes, i know, the issue is its not a 1 to 1 replacement, since you can't specify an alternative article name for {{loot}} |
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| 03:13.05 | Zeal | because you never need to >_> |
| 03:15.43 | voidvector | we haven't adopt your namespace policy yet, so right not that's not always the case |
| 03:16.35 | Adys | zeal: nice one |
| 03:20.03 | Zeal | i know that voidvector :p why i'm getting fed up with the lack of discussion on it and constanly mentioning it :P |
| 03:20.10 | Zeal | *that's why |
| 03:20.26 | Zeal | because it was needed yesterday.. |
| 03:20.38 | Zeal | not today or next week >_> |
| 03:21.24 | voidvector | do you know what's the regular expression for making something upper case? |
| 03:22.09 | Zeal | ah, ty adys, knew there had to be a cat like that around |
| 03:22.18 | Adys | np :P |
| 03:22.38 | Zeal | it can be done in regex? :s no idea |
| 03:23.45 | voidvector | zeal, i think you need to add +damage to tooltip |
| 03:24.16 | voidvector | like in http://www.wowwiki.com/Blades_of_Azzinoth |
| 03:28.24 | Zeal | it's there |
| 03:28.36 | Zeal | "bonus=" iirc |
| 03:31.13 | voidvector | oh, in which case you need to a more of them cause that blade has 2 of those stuff |
| 03:31.33 | Zeal | i think i need to set the colour of socket bonus too, couldn't find an accurate example for it : / |
| 03:32.09 | Zeal | "bonus=+40-60 Shadow Damage<br />+40-60 Arance Damage" |
| 03:32.18 | Zeal | not doubling up parameters |
| 03:32.30 | Zeal | one param per purpose and position :P |
| 03:33.13 | Tusva | it's grey before the bonus and green after |
| 03:34.01 | Zeal | er.. that made no sense to me tusa. <grey>Bonus:</grey> <green>blah blah</green> ? |
| 03:34.09 | Tusva | no, no. |
| 03:34.18 | Tusva | it's grey before you've put in all the jewels correctly |
| 03:34.24 | Tusva | then it turns green |
| 03:34.25 | Zeal | oh, i see |
| 03:34.40 | Tusva | same green as the Equip: or Use: text |
| 03:34.41 | Zeal | i'll leave it grey then |
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| 03:37.32 | Zeal | and it's "Bonus: blahblahblah" right? :s |
| 03:37.43 | Zeal | or "Socket Bonus: blahblahblah"? :S |
| 03:40.17 | Tusva | "Socket Bonus: bladyblah" |
| 03:40.49 | Tusva | http://www.thottbot.com/?i=55562 is how thott renders the tooltip |
| 03:41.52 | Zeal | yeah, i'm not fond of trusting thott |
| 03:42.00 | Zeal | they've gotten bits wrong, most of the sites have :P |
| 03:43.57 | Tusva | mm. |
| 03:44.28 | Zeal | interesting, grey socket text.. |
| 03:44.38 | Zeal | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24021 |
| 03:45.14 | Zeal | and thne there's alla which does them all in white.. |
| 03:48.57 | Zeal | ok.. wowhead has it right.. |
| 04:19.23 | Zeal | ok, well i'm gunna call it a night. I've done enough damage today, i'm sure the reprocussions will be enough to deal with tomorrow :P |
| 04:19.26 | Zeal | nn all |
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| 06:23.10 | Adys | gn =) |
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| 09:37.25 | Hobinheim | paging tekkub |
| 09:37.26 | Hobinheim | or anyone |
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| 09:42.51 | Hobinheim | haro? |
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| 10:42.19 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim, ? |
| 10:42.23 | Hobinheim | hiyo |
| 10:42.29 | Hobinheim | i was gonna reply in vp |
| 10:42.35 | Kirkburn | I don't see what's the problem :O |
| 10:42.39 | Hobinheim | i don't like the template |
| 10:42.48 | Kirkburn | How so? |
| 10:42.48 | Hobinheim | its bulky and it uses exists |
| 10:42.50 | Hobinheim | which i have beef with |
| 10:42.57 | Kirkburn | Why? |
| 10:42.58 | Hobinheim | look at it, it's really long |
| 10:43.05 | Hobinheim | exists links to pages that aren't really templates |
| 10:43.07 | Kirkburn | What is long? |
| 10:43.19 | Hobinheim | so when you look at the bottom of the page on the edit screen, it shows lots of broken links that aren't really broken |
| 10:43.23 | Kirkburn | Wait, what on earth are you talking about? |
| 10:43.57 | Hobinheim | hold on, going too fast |
| 10:44.35 | Kirkburn | The /only/ difference on the page is that it adds brackets which are coloured red if the page doesn't exist |
| 10:44.47 | Hobinheim | it has side effects |
| 10:44.52 | Kirkburn | Which are? |
| 10:44.53 | Hobinheim | and i was about to propose an alternative |
| 10:44.58 | Hobinheim | so gimme a chance will you |
| 10:45.14 | Hobinheim | ok look at my quest guide, with the loot template in place |
| 10:45.15 | Hobinheim | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User:Hobinheim/Quest_Guide&action=edit |
| 10:45.24 | Hobinheim | see all those broken links on the bottom? |
| 10:45.29 | Hobinheim | that's what i don't want |
| 10:46.02 | Hobinheim | i'm tyring to say. that there is an alternative to the loot template, in its current incarnation, to have the brackets, without that stupid side effect |
| 10:46.08 | Hobinheim | cuz that side effect bugs the shit out of me |
| 10:46.30 | Kirkburn | Nope, I still don't see the problem |
| 10:46.42 | Hobinheim | do you not see like 30 red links at the bottom of the page? |
| 10:46.53 | Kirkburn | Yes? But that's when I'm editing a page! |
| 10:47.01 | Kirkburn | Who cares what it looks like when it's being edited |
| 10:47.05 | Hobinheim | i don't think they should be there |
| 10:48.22 | Kirkburn | I'm so totally confused |
| 10:48.31 | Kirkburn | The bot, at the moment, is converting lcommon to loot |
| 10:49.09 | Hobinheim | why are you confused, i just outlined my beef and you said who cares. that's it |
| 10:49.21 | Hobinheim | and the bot is done for now i think |
| 10:49.38 | Kirkburn | What change are we actualyl talking about? |
| 10:49.52 | Kirkburn | {{lcommon|Springpaw Pelt}} to {{loot|Common|Springpaw Pelt}} ?? |
| 10:50.42 | Hobinheim | yes |
| 10:51.07 | Kirkburn | And your problem is that is makes red links appear when you're editing it? |
| 10:51.12 | Kirkburn | *it |
| 10:51.19 | Hobinheim | among other things. but yeah that's my primary beef |
| 10:51.34 | Kirkburn | K, we understand each other now at least :) |
| 10:51.37 | Hobinheim | i'm proposing a css, side-effect free version |
| 10:51.46 | Kirkburn | I'm off to Uni now, can talk about it again in a few hours |
| 10:51.51 | Hobinheim | also, a consolidated loot template, i am absolutely not against |
| 10:52.01 | Hobinheim | but it should also be shorter, like named L |
| 10:52.10 | Hobinheim | use switch templates so the template itself isn't so ugly |
| 10:52.16 | Hobinheim | and support lowercase qualities |
| 10:53.25 | Kirkburn|afk | VV can come on here if asked afaik, zeal will also be interested |
| 10:53.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyways I must must be off |
| 10:53.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Bbl! |
| 10:53.39 | Hobinheim | later |
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| 11:41.53 | Peter | woot |
| 11:42.07 | Peter | Victory Rush seems cool. |
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| 14:13.31 | eurojax-gobears | hello fellow nerds |
| 14:13.34 | eurojax-gobears | anyone on uther? |
| 14:21.11 | Tepetkhet | ho |
| 14:21.13 | Tepetkhet | er, |
| 14:21.14 | Tepetkhet | no |
| 14:21.24 | eurojax-gobears | man |
| 14:21.24 | equiraptor | Silly tep. |
| 14:21.28 | eurojax-gobears | I hit 70 last night |
| 14:21.31 | eurojax-gobears | now i'm sitting in game |
| 14:21.36 | eurojax-gobears | walking this way and that |
| 14:21.41 | eurojax-gobears | with no real purpose |
| 14:21.55 | equiraptor | Grind rep for armorr. |
| 14:22.02 | equiraptor | Have your epic flying yet? |
| 14:22.08 | eurojax-gobears | nah |
| 14:22.10 | eurojax-gobears | I have a druid |
| 14:22.17 | eurojax-gobears | but would like the 280% |
| 14:22.32 | equiraptor | Then grind gold to get the epic flying. |
| 14:22.41 | equiraptor | Grind rep to get a special mount. |
| 14:22.44 | eurojax-gobears | have you gotten your epic flying yet? |
| 14:22.55 | equiraptor | Shouldn't you ask if I'm level 70 first? |
| 14:23.04 | eurojax-gobears | haha |
| 14:23.08 | eurojax-gobears | Have you gotten 70 yet? |
| 14:23.14 | equiraptor | I don't even have a character to 61 yt. |
| 14:23.21 | eurojax-gobears | ahh |
| 14:23.24 | eurojax-gobears | it's suprisingly easy |
| 14:23.30 | equiraptor | But I have a friend with the epic flying, and another that should have it within a few days. |
| 14:23.38 | equiraptor | I have one character in outlands working on it. |
| 14:23.43 | Tepetkhet | That's just crazy... |
| 14:23.46 | equiraptor | Though it's a lot of XP, XP's coming in fast. |
| 14:24.03 | eurojax-gobears | all I had to do was get out of hellfire and the levels started rolling in |
| 14:24.06 | Tepetkhet | I suppose the purpose is kind of like when you used to hit level 60. |
| 14:24.08 | equiraptor | Tepetkhet: They had a lot of gold saved up from before. One of them is actually probably going to be borowing a bit to get it. |
| 14:24.16 | eurojax-gobears | once you don't have to share mobs with every noob and their mom, it's easy |
| 14:24.25 | equiraptor | See, I waited to go into outlands. |
| 14:24.32 | equiraptor | I don't have to share mobs with every noob and their mom. |
| 14:24.38 | equiraptor | Even in Hellfire. |
| 14:24.38 | Tepetkhet | hey! |
| 14:24.42 | Tepetkhet | I resemble that remark! |
| 14:24.49 | eurojax-gobears | haha |
| 14:24.50 | equiraptor | We didn't say spawnoftep was a noob! |
| 14:25.06 | Tepetkhet | No...Spawn never joined The Noob Squad. |
| 14:25.07 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 14:25.12 | equiraptor | hah |
| 14:25.18 | eurojax-gobears | so which rep has an epic flying mount reward? |
| 14:25.23 | Tepetkhet | <-- is a mom |
| 14:25.36 | Tepetkhet | <-- used to be in a guild called The Noob Squad |
| 14:25.39 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 14:25.39 | eurojax-gobears | hha |
| 14:25.44 | eurojax-gobears | tons of moms in my guild |
| 14:29.54 | Tepetkhet | My Blood Knight is level 10 now. Ooh. |
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| 15:03.22 | zeal | sigh.. he left.. |
| 15:13.52 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, i'm guessing it was you that's started putting the icons around, nice ^_^ |
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| 15:31.22 | tingle | hi |
| 15:31.38 | Tepetkhet | Hello. |
| 15:31.51 | tingle | what is the best leatherworking way? tribal, elemental or dragonscale? |
| 15:31.56 | tingle | for a rogue |
| 15:32.20 | tingle | ??? |
| 15:32.27 | Tepetkhet | Whichever you want. |
| 15:32.36 | Tepetkhet | I don't think it really matters much anymore. |
| 15:32.44 | tingle | why |
| 15:32.46 | Tepetkhet | Are you in a guild? |
| 15:32.51 | tingle | no |
| 15:33.05 | tingle | levl 62 rogue with leatherworking skill of 300 |
| 15:33.06 | Tepetkhet | I picked elemental because it has more stuff I could use. |
| 15:33.24 | Tepetkhet | Because dragonscale is mail and rogues can't wear mail. |
| 15:33.43 | tingle | oh |
| 15:33.50 | Tepetkhet | Most rogues pick elemental...some pick Tribal for the devilsaur stuff. |
| 15:34.03 | tingle | well why did you say it doesnt matter anymore? |
| 15:34.23 | Tepetkhet | I think they made some changes with the expansion. |
| 15:34.27 | Tepetkhet | But I'm not clear on them yet. |
| 15:34.42 | tingle | whats the differnt from elemental or tribal? |
| 15:35.31 | Tepetkhet | http://www.wowwiki.com/Leatherworking |
| 15:36.06 | Zeal | yeah, i didn't understand what they said tbh Tepetkhet, soemthing like you can learn recipies from both now :s |
| 15:36.20 | Tepetkhet | That's what I was saying. |
| 15:36.31 | Tepetkhet | I think the only difference now is that you get special BoP items later on. |
| 15:36.37 | tingle | then what am i suppose to do after skill 300? |
| 15:37.00 | Tepetkhet | Like Tribal will get to make some epic BoP Windhawk gear. |
| 15:37.13 | Tepetkhet | And Elemental will get to make some epic BoP Primalstrike gear. |
| 15:37.18 | Tepetkhet | I think that's how it's supposed to work. |
| 15:37.34 | Tepetkhet | tingle: After skill 300, there are still regularly trainable recipes in the Outlands. |
| 15:37.45 | Tepetkhet | Turning knothide scraps into knothide leather first. |
| 15:37.49 | Tepetkhet | And then the armor kits. |
| 15:38.03 | Tepetkhet | And the thick draenic leather and felhide leather stuff. |
| 15:38.35 | tingle | ok what am i suppose to work for in my skill after 300 as a rogue |
| 15:38.50 | Tepetkhet | uh |
| 15:38.54 | Tepetkhet | Did you read what I said? |
| 15:39.12 | tingle | yes |
| 15:39.19 | tingle | the epic stuff |
| 15:39.21 | Tepetkhet | Then be more specific in your question. |
| 15:39.22 | tingle | what is for rogue |
| 15:40.11 | tingle | wich epic gear is for a rogue? |
| 15:40.36 | Tepetkhet | Leather. |
| 15:40.44 | Tepetkhet | You want me to do all the work for you? |
| 15:40.48 | tingle | yes... but windhawk or primalstrike |
| 15:40.52 | tingle | are they sets? |
| 15:40.54 | Tepetkhet | You can look it up yourself. |
| 15:40.59 | Tepetkhet | Go to thottbot or allakhazam. |
| 15:41.04 | Tepetkhet | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=29526&locale=enUS;source=live |
| 15:41.06 | Tepetkhet | Here's an example. |
| 15:41.53 | Tepetkhet | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=29524&locale=enUS;source=live |
| 15:41.57 | Tepetkhet | And there's the windhawk |
| 15:42.06 | tingle | ok thx, |
| 15:42.43 | Tepetkhet | You didn't used to be able to switch leatherworking specializations. |
| 15:42.49 | Tepetkhet | But it's my understanding that you can now. |
| 15:42.51 | tingle | thos are sorta crapy :P |
| 15:43.04 | Tepetkhet | As a rogue, I'd personally stick with Elemental. |
| 15:43.41 | tingle | my blue and green stuff i got through quests are better than that stuff |
| 15:43.48 | Tepetkhet | Look at the attack power. |
| 15:44.25 | tingle | k |
| 15:45.05 | Tepetkhet | "Hi. I want you all to do the work for me and figure something out for me...and then I will insult the results and leave." |
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| 15:46.18 | Zeal | rofl |
| 15:46.36 | Zeal | there there Tepetkhet, that can't all be clever and grateful :P |
| 15:46.59 | Tepetkhet | +240 AP from a leather set... |
| 15:47.16 | Creator | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.22 | Tepetkhet | 70 |
| 15:47.28 | Tepetkhet | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=619 |
| 15:47.29 | Creator | that explains... |
| 15:47.33 | Tepetkhet | BoP |
| 15:47.36 | Tepetkhet | Crafted |
| 15:47.39 | Creator | well, imba indeed |
| 15:47.46 | Creator | what mats? XD |
| 15:48.10 | Tepetkhet | Bracers = 4x Heavy Knothide Leather, 3x Primal Might |
| 15:48.13 | Tepetkhet | wow |
| 15:48.14 | Tepetkhet | uh |
| 15:48.16 | Tepetkhet | ... |
| 15:49.03 | Tepetkhet | Alchemists transmute it. |
| 15:49.08 | Tepetkhet | The primal might, I mean. |
| 15:49.25 | Tepetkhet | 1 each of the primal earth, water, air, fire, mana. |
| 15:50.18 | Creator | >< now there arent any essences anymore? |
| 15:50.41 | Zeal | primal eseences |
| 15:50.51 | Zeal | primal motes |
| 15:50.51 | Creator | im not updated too much... :P all the time in outlands and didnt look in the ah for once since expansion |
| 15:50.55 | Tepetkhet | These would apear to be In Addition To. |
| 15:51.05 | Zeal | i've yet to step foot in outlands, heh. |
| 15:51.08 | Tepetkhet | I have shadow bits. |
| 15:51.18 | Zeal | well, outside a sandbox :p |
| 15:51.27 | Creator | :P |
| 15:51.34 | Creator | i have mana shadow life and lota more |
| 15:51.54 | Tepetkhet | I haven't spent much time in the Outlands myself. |
| 15:52.09 | Tepetkhet | Just enough to get a level, discover a few things, skin some piggies, train some skills. |
| 15:52.10 | Zeal | i've got less than a month now to get 60 on a new char |
| 15:52.17 | Tepetkhet | uh oh |
| 15:52.18 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 15:52.20 | Zeal | but wowwiki is stealing all my time :P |
| 15:52.27 | Tepetkhet | It's doable if you bust your butt and get help. |
| 15:52.37 | Zeal | i can get help, lol |
| 15:52.42 | Tepetkhet | My kid's alt is already level 20...started playing a few days ago. |
| 15:52.44 | Zeal | busting my bust is highly unlikely |
| 15:52.52 | Zeal | *butt |
| 15:52.53 | Tepetkhet | And is still playing Main on Alliance side. |
| 15:52.55 | Zeal | my bust, lol |
| 15:52.59 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 15:53.33 | Zeal | i expected reprocusions from my policy and delete template edits, but none :o |
| 15:54.05 | Creator | hey, but u must admit that wowwiki (as for lore in it) is also very interesting :D |
| 15:54.55 | Zeal | ofc.. i'm just too busy trying to imrpove the wiki as a whole to focus on the lore issues atm |
| 15:55.14 | Zeal | closest i've come is trying to get citation, refrencing and speculation in order :P |
| 15:56.21 | Creator | :PP |
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| 16:01.10 | tingle | what was better for a rogue elemental? or was is tribal |
| 16:02.44 | Tepetkhet | What's better for a rogue is to STOP DISCONNECTING all the time in IRC and learn to use the search tools available to you. Yeesh. |
| 16:09.42 | Creator | :P |
| 16:10.00 | Tepetkhet | Mage? |
| 16:10.05 | Creator | yup |
| 16:10.25 | Creator | and rogue |
| 16:10.27 | Creator | and warrior |
| 16:10.53 | Kirkburn | Yo yo, what have I missed? |
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| 16:11.18 | Adys | hello kirkburn :P |
| 16:11.23 | Creator | yo kirky |
| 16:11.56 | Adys | I know Fin is here too |
| 16:12.03 | Adys | ... watching me type! |
| 16:12.10 | Creator | O: kinky |
| 16:12.21 | Adys | Kirky, not kinky! |
| 16:12.24 | Creator | XD |
| 16:12.26 | Creator | XD |
| 16:12.30 | Creator | >< |
| 16:12.31 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 16:12.31 | Tepetkhet | im in ur irc...watchin u typ |
| 16:12.36 | Creator | damn i have to get rid of this scritp |
| 16:12.48 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim been back? |
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| 16:14.14 | Creator | Q: u all USA-eans? :PP |
| 16:14.23 | Creator | *are |
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| 16:16.11 | Kirkburn | I'm UK, Zeal's UK, Adys is french |
| 16:16.17 | Hobinheim | and they're all bad eggs |
| 16:16.23 | Kirkburn | Hullo ^^ |
| 16:16.25 | Hobinheim | =) |
| 16:16.27 | Hobinheim | brb water |
| 16:17.00 | Creator | :P so shall i speak british english or french? cuz i speak both... XD |
| 16:17.09 | Creator | well, french a little... :X |
| 16:18.29 | Kirkburn | British english ftw |
| 16:18.36 | Adys | noes |
| 16:18.49 | Adys | Fin shall only speak french though! |
| 16:18.52 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 16:19.04 | Creator | blimmey |
| 16:19.36 | Kirkburn | People enjoying my liberal spreading of icons over the 'special' wiki pages? Thanks for the uploading, btw, Zeal |
| 16:19.41 | Hobinheim | this wouldn't be tolerated in AMERICA |
| 16:19.56 | Hobinheim | Kirkburn, always with the upgrades... =P |
| 16:20.15 | Hobinheim | Creator is quite the nickname |
| 16:20.21 | Hobinheim | are you like, THE Creator? |
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| 16:21.08 | Creator | ? wha? |
| 16:21.10 | Creator | :P |
| 16:21.36 | Creator | ah |
| 16:21.37 | Kirkburn | I've always thought Zeal's to be quite appropriate, though Wulgar doesn't sound so nice ;) I should also mention I do not burn down churches in my spare time. |
| 16:21.44 | Creator | well, i'd like to be ^^ |
| 16:21.50 | Hobinheim | is that what a kirk is? |
| 16:21.55 | Kirkburn | Aye |
| 16:22.05 | Hobinheim | and isn't w in german a vuh sound? |
| 16:22.08 | Kirkburn | Kirkburn means river by a small stream |
| 16:22.32 | Creator | well, as a jew, u think i should burn churches? :P cuz i have no problem with them, actualy i think some are quite very nice... |
| 16:22.34 | Hobinheim | kirkburn means instant win every two minutes |
| 16:22.36 | Kirkburn | (which I had no idea of when I thought up the name, nor did I know it's the name of a Yorkshire town) |
| 16:23.01 | Kirkburn | I, uh ... er ... um. |
| 16:23.22 | Hobinheim | (warlock humor) |
| 16:23.50 | Kirkburn | Well I am awesome |
| 16:24.00 | Hobinheim | i stopped playing my lock... |
| 16:24.07 | Hobinheim | stupid blood elves keeping me engaged |
| 16:24.07 | Kirkburn | \o/ |
| 16:24.12 | Kirkburn | What level now? |
| 16:24.15 | Hobinheim | 58 |
| 16:24.22 | Hobinheim | errr the blood elves are all alts |
| 16:24.32 | Hobinheim | and i have multiple. so the levels are meh (~10) |
| 16:24.42 | Kirkburn | slowwiki, I notice |
| 16:24.45 | Creator | fuck, i saw a 62 Blood Elf Paladin in Terrokar Forrest... >< its INSANE |
| 16:24.52 | Kirkburn | I love making alts |
| 16:24.59 | Kirkburn | Creator, wow |
| 16:25.04 | Hobinheim | with a leveling guide you can certainly make it in a few days played |
| 16:25.10 | Adys | aye we got a lvl 62 draenei shammy on the server too |
| 16:25.14 | Hobinheim | it mostly involves skipping things and grinding |
| 16:25.27 | Creator | >< he said he has a /played of 5d 10h |
| 16:26.06 | Creator | HOW?! |
| 16:26.06 | Hobinheim | that's very joana esque, no? |
| 16:26.06 | Hobinheim | joana is like 4d/60 |
| 16:27.02 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 16:27.03 | Hobinheim | Kirkburn, what kinda music do you listen to? |
| 16:28.16 | Tepetkhet | That's nuts. |
| 16:28.16 | Hobinheim | "record time to level 60 on a new server, which is 4 days 20 hours /played!" |
| 16:28.16 | Hobinheim | so.... yeah |
| 16:28.16 | Hobinheim | leveling guide |
| 16:28.16 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim, most stuff that isn't hard rock |
| 16:28.16 | Kirkburn | Oh and emo stuff, ugh :) |
| 16:28.16 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Hobinheim] by ChanServ |
| 16:28.16 | Hobinheim | watch out, kirk's a cutter |
| 16:28.17 | Kirkburn | Did you do that, Hob? |
| 16:28.17 | Hobinheim | do what |
| 16:28.17 | Kirkburn | Ah, did you only just register? |
| 16:28.17 | Creator | do u cut down the road or across the street? xD |
| 16:28.24 | Hobinheim | yeah |
| 16:28.24 | Hobinheim | lazy |
| 16:28.25 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 16:28.28 | Hobinheim | Creator, LOL |
| 16:28.31 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Bc-section |
| 16:28.32 | Hobinheim | i just heard that recently |
| 16:28.34 | Kirkburn | lookit ^ |
| 16:28.56 | Hobinheim | remove information on |
| 16:28.56 | Creator | actually, its down the road i think... that way u lose more blood... |
| 16:28.59 | Hobinheim | "contains content" |
| 16:29.26 | Hobinheim | uhh so wordy |
| 16:29.34 | Creator | sry, my bad, its across the street... |
| 16:29.43 | Hobinheim | "This section contains content exclussive to The Burning Crusade." |
| 16:29.51 | Hobinheim | if exclusive was spelled correctly |
| 16:30.00 | Kirkburn | Hmm, still think it should say "info on" |
| 16:30.02 | Hobinheim | using words like accounts is so out of universe |
| 16:30.08 | Kirkburn | Yeah, true |
| 16:30.17 | Hobinheim | information on, imo, is just more meta |
| 16:30.21 | Hobinheim | cuz contains is already fuzzy |
| 16:30.34 | Hobinheim | contains. information on. content. in the burning crusade |
| 16:30.36 | Kirkburn | How about now? |
| 16:31.00 | Hobinheim | i'm not sure about the word order with only and available |
| 16:31.08 | Kirkburn | Changed again :) |
| 16:31.14 | Hobinheim | it sounds iffy but i odn' tknow if any alternatives are gramaticaly correct |
| 16:31.17 | Creator | "This section is considering The Burning Crusade World of Warcraft Expansion Pack content." |
| 16:31.27 | Hobinheim | nice |
| 16:31.34 | Hobinheim | naw burning crusade is fine |
| 16:31.41 | Kirkburn | considering = about :) |
| 16:31.51 | Creator | but it sonds better =o |
| 16:32.09 | Tepetkhet | concerning |
| 16:32.16 | Kirkburn | If sounds franglish |
| 16:32.29 | Hobinheim | "This article, section, or sub-section contains content exclusive to the creators of the Burning Crusade or players with accounts registered with the Burning Crusade, but also not including things that were released in 2.0, which were free, noting the free re-spec, Expansion Pack upgrade content. 2.0. Software. Disc." |
| 16:32.31 | Creator | it needs to be formal... :P |
| 16:32.38 | Kirkburn | Now? |
| 16:32.46 | Hobinheim | BLAH |
| 16:32.48 | Hobinheim | revert |
| 16:32.55 | Creator | lol |
| 16:32.56 | Kirkburn | You wanted short! |
| 16:33.06 | Creator | what about: |
| 16:33.14 | Creator | "Burning Crusade content below" |
| 16:33.15 | Hobinheim | i'm afraid of getting into a whole hullabahoo, i'm at work |
| 16:33.18 | Hobinheim | later |
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| 16:33.24 | Creator | cya |
| 16:34.26 | Creator | think u can connect IRC chans that not on blizz's servers to the game? that u can write in the chans ingame? |
| 16:34.58 | Kirkburn | Not sure what you mean? |
| 16:35.08 | Creator | that u can write here from the game... |
| 16:35.12 | Kirkburn | Nope |
| 16:35.24 | Kirkburn | It's a completely shut-off sandbox, the UI :) |
| 16:35.27 | Creator | :P if u hack and work things out alittle it is possible... |
| 16:35.34 | Kirkburn | Yeah, but then you get banned ;) |
| 16:36.15 | Creator | ye... =\ well, at least they need to add an option to order a pizza like they did in EQ2... |
| 16:36.45 | Zeal | Kirkburn! lol |
| 16:37.16 | Kirkburn | hulloo |
| 16:37.16 | Kirkburn | I'm not sure why Hob is so annoyed over the loot template, think he's a little stressed today |
| 16:37.34 | Zeal | indeed : / |
| 16:39.10 | Kirkburn | ho-hum, it works at least |
| 16:39.10 | Tepetkhet | [11:33] Hobinheim: i'm afraid of getting into a whole hullabahoo, i'm at work |
| 16:39.13 | Kirkburn | vv been on? |
| 16:39.27 | Zeal | not that i;ve seen |
| 16:39.47 | Zeal | "I've always thought Zeal's to be quite appropriate, though Wulgar doesn't sound so nice ;)" <-- me no follow |
| 16:39.54 | Kirkburn | Names |
| 16:40.15 | Kirkburn | Tepetkhet, half the people here probably should be working ;) Heh, I josh, Hob's entitled to his opinion. He makes good points, but we have to work with what we have :/ |
| 16:40.35 | Kirkburn | Zeal, recall I told you your name is appropriate :) |
| 16:41.11 | Kirkburn | Anyway, you like bc-section? :) |
| 16:41.27 | Creator | oo oo i have an idea! why wouldn't some group start copying quests to WoWwiki and turn it to another thotbott? =o itll be better than all of the others together because it centers all warcraft sections under it... |
| 16:41.55 | Kirkburn | Already being done - there's no combined effort to do it, but they are appearing over time |
| 16:42.06 | Creator | aha |
| 16:43.11 | Creator | ooo need a picture of the whole outlands map in the section? cuz i see there isnt any... :P |
| 16:43.28 | Kirkburn | Ooh, Zeal, your image thingy = good :) |
| 16:43.37 | Kirkburn | What type? |
| 16:43.50 | Creator | of what? |
| 16:48.09 | Zeal | i recall that to, get it now :P |
| 16:48.12 | Zeal | and ty |
| 16:49.56 | Zeal | as to the bc-section. if you plan to use that, then the article one should not have the same style. |
| 16:50.14 | Zeal | and for section, i prefer mine :P |
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| 16:54.38 | Kirkburn | Zeal, don't think I didn't notice your change to the top of the BE article ^^ |
| 16:54.52 | Zeal | hm? |
| 16:54.54 | Kirkburn | Zeal, I know, it's out of place atm |
| 16:55.02 | Kirkburn | You changed sin'dorei to italics :P |
| 16:55.10 | Zeal | no i didn't? :S |
| 16:55.16 | Kirkburn | Didn't you? |
| 16:55.37 | Zeal | didn't touch the lead in :s |
| 16:55.59 | Kirkburn | oh my |
| 16:56.05 | Kirkburn | Sorry, it was Ragestorm :) |
| 16:56.18 | Kirkburn | Last edit before yours! |
| 16:56.35 | Zeal | lol |
| 16:57.47 | Kirkburn | Zeal, about the BC template, I think your version is too big |
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| 16:58.00 | Kirkburn | We used to have loads of templates that big, they're just overpowering |
| 16:58.44 | Zeal | what did you think of the second one tusva's comments? |
| 16:58.56 | Zeal | hang on.. |
| 16:59.34 | Zeal | either way, i think my one needs to be used for a section :P |
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| 17:02.14 | Zeal | "WoWWiki has a problem" : / |
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| 17:02.44 | Kirkburn | argh! |
| 17:04.05 | Tuqui-tuqui | ahoy matey? |
| 17:05.01 | Kirkburn | Ahoy! |
| 17:05.11 | Kirkburn | I was arghing at WoWWiki has a problem :P |
| 17:05.15 | Kirkburn | Zeal, http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Bc-section |
| 17:07.49 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:Bc/content#New_templates :p |
| 17:08.12 | Zeal | no, use i-note : / |
| 17:09.07 | Zeal | the whole point of the i-note, is it functions as a section container, and uses icons people will easily recognize and be familiar with. it will auto indent any content it is given. |
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| 17:09.18 | Bagginsww | Hi kirkburn |
| 17:09.24 | Zeal | fyi, the future is __NOEDITSECTION__ on all pages.. |
| 17:09.26 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Elemental&oldid=450808 |
| 17:09.37 | Zeal | hey Bagginsww |
| 17:09.46 | Bagginsww | Uh someone edited fungal giants on the elemental webpage again |
| 17:09.48 | Kirkburn | Zeal, why full page width?? |
| 17:09.56 | Bagginsww | saying they are all "elementeals" |
| 17:10.08 | Zeal | because it emcompasses the full page, not a section? :P |
| 17:10.12 | Bagginsww | but in game I haven't found one "elememental" fungal giant |
| 17:10.25 | Bagginsww | they all have the "giant" subtype |
| 17:10.39 | Bagginsww | I think that section needs to be removed entirely |
| 17:10.41 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, lol |
| 17:10.44 | Zeal | why i'm calling for article and section headings to be different, so they are recognizable what they apply to, without having to actually read it all. |
| 17:10.44 | Kirkburn | So do I |
| 17:11.06 | Bagginsww | so I'm going to remove it |
| 17:11.20 | Bagginsww | not sure why people removed my information that giants are giants :p |
| 17:11.24 | Kirkburn | Zeal, ah I see, sorry I thought you were doing a section example then |
| 17:11.44 | Zeal | oh, nono :P |
| 17:12.27 | Zeal | fyi, the "information on content" rather than "content" is an important distinction to make |
| 17:12.50 | Zeal | otherwise it sounds like users shouldn't be reading or have access to a section/article :p |
| 17:13.31 | Bagginsww | removed it |
| 17:13.42 | Bagginsww | and added a note here |
| 17:13.43 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Elemental |
| 17:14.14 | Kirkburn | Zeal, "concerns content"? |
| 17:14.27 | Kirkburn | shorter, says the same thing imo |
| 17:14.39 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, coolio |
| 17:14.43 | Zeal | that works too ;P |
| 17:14.53 | Bagginsww | if someone tries to add it in again, I'll let you look into it :) |
| 17:15.23 | Bagginsww | I mean I'll give the benifit of the doubt that maybe in some localizations they are "elementals" lol |
| 17:15.39 | Bagginsww | but in US version definitely just "giants" |
| 17:16.11 | Kirkburn | Giants all the way |
| 17:16.51 | Kirkburn | Anyone noticed other special pages icons are appropriate btw? |
| 17:17.39 | Kirkburn | They're on history, protect, move, delete, preview changes ... |
| 17:17.44 | Kirkburn | Ooh, found one |
| 17:20.25 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:Bc-section :p |
| 17:20.30 | Kirkburn | Also http://www.wowwiki.com/MediaWiki:Editingold |
| 17:20.35 | Zeal | and my last one on the bc talk |
| 17:20.43 | Zeal | that's how i view it |
| 17:23.15 | Kirkburn | Whee, this is fun, lots of icons around the place |
| 17:23.26 | Zeal | hehe |
| 17:23.50 | Zeal | so Kirkburn, you've seen i revamped all the delete and policy templates? |
| 17:25.12 | Zeal | and so we don't have to stupidly use Template:Template/Content, i've added "doc=" params for when it's being documented and you don't want certain things used (caterogises being the main one) |
| 17:27.02 | Zeal | which i'll start adding as a param to all such templates (basically any template that isn't inline) |
| 17:27.14 | Kirkburn | You did? |
| 17:27.25 | Zeal | yes.. lol |
| 17:27.43 | Zeal | i was expecting to wake up to complaints and reverts today. but nothing >_> |
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| 17:29.23 | Kirkburn | I hadn't noticed :P |
| 17:29.32 | Kirkburn | I knew you'd done the delete one, but not the others :) |
| 17:30.37 | Zeal | well considering they follow the same styling and pattern (and were rather messy and inconsistant) i decided to do them all. |
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| 17:31.51 | Kirkburn | Lookin' good |
| 17:32.01 | Zeal | dunno if i handled the policy process correctly. i simplfied it and made it a bit more logical so it makes sense to everyone. previous it didn't even make sense to me. adopted and ratified seems to both be at the same stages, no obvious difference. |
| 17:32.53 | Kirkburn | Uh, any reason for the weird border colours? |
| 17:32.58 | sancus | epic flying mount is ridiculously awesome |
| 17:33.00 | sancus | that is all. |
| 17:33.03 | Zeal | so i made it, ratified is prior to the details being hammered out, adopted is when they are sorted out and it's being implemented, and official (so removal of the banners) once it's implemented (at which point no more ability to recall) |
| 17:33.06 | Kirkburn | sancus, lol |
| 17:33.37 | Kirkburn | Well you can always recall a policy, but it's not gonna happen :P |
| 17:33.52 | Zeal | i'm trying to get soem consistancy going with use of colours. policies = blue, help = yellow, community = purple, other wikistuff = turquiose. |
| 17:34.13 | Zeal | well, i thought once it' official, it can't be recalled, but it can be adpated and changed. |
| 17:34.18 | Zeal | *it's |
| 17:34.53 | Kirkburn | I think the colours look freaky like that |
| 17:35.02 | Kirkburn | I already started changing them |
| 17:35.13 | Kirkburn | Good idea on the consistency, but I don't think anyone would notice :) |
| 17:35.28 | Kirkburn | They would, however, notice clashing colours |
| 17:35.29 | Zeal | the borders are kept to signify whats it's about, while the bg changes to reflect state. |
| 17:35.36 | Zeal | rofl |
| 17:35.44 | Zeal | it doesn't have to stay, but i like it. |
| 17:36.30 | Kirkburn | I'm going to use my admin's prerogative to say "good idea, but ewww" |
| 17:36.59 | Zeal | rofl |
| 17:37.01 | Zeal | fair enough |
| 17:37.13 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 17:37.16 | Zeal | the icons fill the same job. |
| 17:37.54 | Zeal | the only problem, is the border for talk templates, that won;t be able to change with the others, so i would suggest chaning that to default (grey/white or w/e) |
| 17:38.00 | Zeal | *they won't |
| 17:38.06 | Zeal | *changing |
| 17:38.09 | Kirkburn | Anywaym you didn't get reverts from me cause I went to bed at 8pm yesterday :P |
| 17:38.18 | Zeal | i noticed :( |
| 17:38.54 | Kirkburn | Talk templates? |
| 17:39.34 | Zeal | Policy/Talk Delete/Talk Policy/Recalltalk |
| 17:39.37 | Kirkburn | The blue line? |
| 17:39.44 | Zeal | the <hr /> yes |
| 17:41.31 | Kirkburn | Fixxxored |
| 17:42.50 | Kirkburn | Anyways time for some food |
| 17:43.25 | Zeal | missed one :P |
| 17:43.29 | Kirkburn | My shopping has been sitting outside my room for about 2 hours now |
| 17:43.51 | Zeal | Policy/Vote and Delete/Vote, two actually |
| 17:43.58 | Kirkburn | Three in fact ^^ |
| 17:44.08 | Kirkburn | Bloody subst, I had better things to do :P |
| 17:44.50 | Zeal | if i've used subt: on the examples, you can remove it and not use it tbh, i was rather inconsistant, and it was more for testing really. |
| 17:45.02 | Kirkburn | <-- making food, mmkay ;) |
| 17:45.08 | Zeal | lol kk :P |
| 17:45.14 | Zeal | i'm eating food, heh. |
| 17:45.20 | Kirkburn | damn you! |
| 17:45.52 | Kirkburn | was zu essen? |
| 17:46.08 | Tepetkhet | Menschenfleisch. |
| 17:46.14 | Zeal | hm.. ignore that, those two don't need to be done. what's the third? :S |
| 17:46.30 | Kirkburn | Tepetkhet, mmm, sehr gut! |
| 17:46.31 | Zeal | ham, cheese, mayo, mustard in baguette. |
| 17:47.01 | Kirkburn | Der andere weiB fleisch? (grammatik?!) |
| 17:56.11 | Tepetkhet | uh |
| 17:56.43 | Tepetkhet | Ich nicht sprechen sie Deutsch. Or something. (proof positive right there...what an abomination) |
| 17:57.02 | Tepetkhet | WTF did I just say?? |
| 17:57.14 | Tepetkhet | Babelfish would probably have done better. |
| 17:58.17 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 17:58.44 | Kirkburn | Ich spreche nicht Deutsch, I think is the correct word order |
| 17:59.10 | Kirkburn | Sprechen sie Deutsch is "(do) you speak german" :P |
| 17:59.34 | Tepetkhet | I forgot...the "sie" is "you", isn't it? |
| 17:59.49 | Kirkburn | Y'know there was a really weird roleplay suggestion in Lands of Mystery |
| 17:59.52 | Tepetkhet | I learned that phrase a LONG time ago when I was a kid and never really learned the parts. |
| 17:59.56 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 18:00.15 | Tepetkhet | Ich spreche nicht Deutsches., says Google Translation. |
| 18:00.16 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 18:00.26 | Tepetkhet | I speak no Germans?? |
| 18:01.03 | Kirkburn | This example was suggesting having Deathwing go to the Dragonblight in Northrend to spend his last days /before he died/. And it then went on to make him sound really weak and feeble-minded. |
| 18:01.08 | Zeal | Nien kiene Deutsch :s |
| 18:01.18 | Kirkburn | eh? :) |
| 18:01.30 | Zeal | beleive that is soemthing like "don't know german" |
| 18:01.50 | Kirkburn | ich kenne keine Deutsch, probably |
| 18:02.02 | Zeal | it's been far too long for me to remember anything i learnt, heh. |
| 18:02.40 | Kirkburn | *kein Deutsches, apparently - I don't trust it |
| 18:03.02 | Tepetkhet | Mein kleine freund. |
| 18:03.22 | Zeal | Bagginsww, any idea if theres been any new lore on the dark riders? |
| 18:03.32 | Tepetkhet | As in, "Say hello to my" |
| 18:03.33 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 18:03.52 | Zeal | last i heard there was nothing about them from Karazhan : / |
| 18:04.28 | Kirkburn | Lol: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/mango/ |
| 18:04.44 | Kirkburn | Really, absolutely nothing?? |
| 18:04.55 | Tepetkhet | hahaha |
| 18:04.57 | Tepetkhet | Einwegstraße |
| 18:05.12 | Zeal | Kirkburn, guess who i showed up in defense of the wiki? :P |
| 18:05.52 | Kirkburn | Where, wha? |
| 18:05.56 | Zeal | http://www.wcradio.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=4463&view=findpost&p=48786 |
| 18:06.37 | Zeal | she was completely wrong, while the wiki was right, hehe. |
| 18:09.31 | Fin | can I make a suggestion for WW? I know I shouldn't actually make the suggestion and rather just do it, since it's a wiki and all, but... lazy? |
| 18:09.40 | Fin | actually I'll just suggest it anyway |
| 18:09.45 | Fin | it's more feedback technically I suppose |
| 18:09.49 | Fin | hmm |
| 18:09.51 | Fin | anyway |
| 18:10.08 | Zeal | er.. go ahead |
| 18:10.18 | Fin | er, yeah, I was looking for some information on The Burning Crusade and stuff, about whether it's possible to download the installation files and some other basic info |
| 18:10.33 | Fin | this morning, that is, which is when I got round to installing TBC finally |
| 18:10.55 | Fin | and the "The Burning Crusade" pages I found were a bit unhelpful |
| 18:11.15 | Zeal | well the answer is simply no :p |
| 18:11.21 | Fin | there was one that didn't give much information or a link back to the category page, and the category page that listed the first 200 of <many> individual subjects and stuff |
| 18:11.22 | Zeal | so i guess no one seemed fit to put that |
| 18:11.23 | Zeal | lol |
| 18:11.40 | Fin | my suggestion was a nicer intro page for TBC stuff, is all |
| 18:11.41 | Fin | :) |
| 18:11.50 | Zeal | probably does need it |
| 18:12.04 | Zeal | it's still recoving from the "omg its beta super cool speculation page" |
| 18:12.11 | Fin | the double pages thing was a bit odd as well, the category page and the individual page for TBC |
| 18:12.26 | Zeal | there is stuff on the cat page? |
| 18:12.31 | Fin | http://www.wowwiki.com/Burning_Crusade |
| 18:12.38 | Fin | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Burning_Crusade |
| 18:12.46 | Fin | ah, there was a link back, I tell a lie sorry |
| 18:12.53 | Bagginsww | nah, not anything more than hints towards them being connected to death knights, but it may just be rumors. |
| 18:13.10 | Fin | aaaanyway, just a bit of feedback |
| 18:13.11 | Bagginsww | I don't know lore surrounding kharazan |
| 18:13.14 | Fin | and stuff |
| 18:13.16 | Fin | hello! |
| 18:13.30 | *** join/#wowwiki Patrigan-Syldra (n=iron_pla@152.197-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 18:13.30 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft:_The_Burning_Crusade is what you wanted.. |
| 18:13.37 | Zeal | that's clearly pointed to :p |
| 18:13.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | It isn't! |
| 18:13.42 | Fin | aha! |
| 18:13.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | I actually wanted something compeltely else |
| 18:13.52 | Zeal | lol pat, hey |
| 18:14.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | wanted to ask if we have some kind of template with a disclaimer |
| 18:14.13 | Zeal | disclaimer for? |
| 18:14.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | telling people that it mught be better to search for the page in the wiki |
| 18:14.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | because |
| 18:14.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | I have spotted on several Instance pages links to external websites |
| 18:14.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | with bosstactics and the likes |
| 18:14.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | I want to discourage people from using thos elinks, without actually removing them |
| 18:14.55 | Fin | well, no offence, I know it's quite obviously there on the page, but when you're in search&skim mode it's not the most obvious thing - with that amount of content on the page, and a title like "Burning Crusade", it wasn't immediately obvious (to me!) so I went off to check other search results |
| 18:15.07 | Fin | I used google search and the wiki search |
| 18:15.11 | Zeal | either link to the tactics or add them to the wiki and thme delete thel inks |
| 18:15.12 | Fin | I have shortcuts for both in Opera |
| 18:15.16 | Zeal | simple as. |
| 18:15.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | Zeal not every website has the same tactics |
| 18:15.38 | Zeal | don't need a disclaimer to say "use the wiki, other sites probably suck and we're better" >_> |
| 18:15.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | that's why it's sometimes better to have external links to tactics |
| 18:15.46 | Fin | no biggie! :) just thought I'd mention what went on :) |
| 18:15.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | and Fin I dislike our wiki search aswell :( |
| 18:16.02 | Zeal | the wiki can have them all pat |
| 18:16.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | hmmm maybe good point... |
| 18:16.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | Darn, now I know what i'll be doing tonight -_- |
| 18:16.33 | Zeal | lol |
| 18:16.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | Adding every single bosstactic |
| 18:16.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | for Karazhan |
| 18:16.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | we have some kind of boilerplate for tactics? |
| 18:16.53 | Zeal | Fin, disambiguation notices need to be mroe obvious, yes. |
| 18:17.02 | Zeal | as you apprently missed that one :P |
| 18:17.51 | Fin | Zeal: I think the reason my brain didn't realise that wasn't the TBC "home" page on WW was that there was quite a lot of info on the and the title seemed to fit just right |
| 18:18.08 | Fin | yeah, yeah I reckon that would be the correct solution |
| 18:18.21 | Fin | or maybe a "Lore" header / colour scheme / something? |
| 18:18.35 | Tepetkhet | ooh, Did somebody mention Opera? |
| 18:18.48 | Zeal | {{i-note||disambig|<content>}} ftw. |
| 18:19.15 | Fin | Opera is simply the best browser there is, absolutely no argument or question about it |
| 18:19.33 | Fin | all those Mozilla / Firefox fanatics just don't know enough about the competition |
| 18:19.40 | Zeal | fin, now you're getting it. that's why i want namespaces, clear headers, icons and colour schemes |
| 18:19.53 | Zeal | so people know where they are, what they're reading all at a glance. |
| 18:20.00 | Kirkburn | Patrigan-Syldra, nope |
| 18:20.19 | Kirkburn | Tactics are too varied to have a template |
| 18:20.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | hmmmk |
| 18:20.49 | Tepetkhet | I wish more sites would work in Opera. :/ |
| 18:20.51 | Zeal | opera is as bad as IE6when it coems to web standards.. |
| 18:20.58 | Fin | Zeal: difficult to do correctly, would take a good knowledge of WW as a whole, how the content is structured and stuff |
| 18:21.09 | Zeal | ofc fin |
| 18:21.19 | Zeal | that's what i've been proposing since i got here :P |
| 18:21.25 | Fin | it's... what?! sir! that is FIGHTIN' talk! |
| 18:21.38 | Zeal | rofl |
| 18:21.45 | Tepetkhet | A friend of mine that helped me pass my programming class in college used to be a programmer for Opera. |
| 18:21.58 | Kirkburn | Zeal, " Both Illidan and Malfurion were born with golden eyes." Wow wtf |
| 18:22.06 | Fin | Opera is the most standards compliant browsers there is |
| 18:22.17 | Kirkburn | That single comment destroys all credibility :/ |
| 18:22.24 | Zeal | it's more, opera was better than ie, but because that meant all the sites for ie didn't work in opera, opera ignored standards and followed ie, when they started doing things properly again, they've messed things up. |
| 18:22.32 | Zeal | indeed Kirkburn : / |
| 18:22.50 | Kirkburn | I mean, that's a HUGE MASSIVE OVERBEARING plot point! |
| 18:22.53 | Fin | for the last 12 years! |
| 18:23.01 | Zeal | lol yeah |
| 18:23.24 | Fin | so what's the argument against your proposals then Zeal? |
| 18:23.24 | Zeal | i would be less critical if it was her |
| 18:23.29 | Tepetkhet | I end up using several browsers. |
| 18:23.40 | Zeal | as you'd have to have either read wota or the encylopedia to know. |
| 18:23.43 | Fin | IRC is weird when you start having multiple conversations with the same person (and other people) at the same time |
| 18:23.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | Firefox and I use IE for basic FTP server access... |
| 18:23.59 | Zeal | *if it wasn't her |
| 18:24.06 | Tepetkhet | Opera for most stuff...Firefox for work stuff...IE for the crap sites that won't work otherwise. |
| 18:24.10 | Zeal | IE has never liked ftp for me :s |
| 18:24.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | and What's with the eyes? |
| 18:24.16 | Fin | oh, yeah, I've got "open in FF", "open in IE" buttons on one of the toolbars in Opera |
| 18:24.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | lol Tepetkhet ^^ |
| 18:24.39 | Tepetkhet | I love the fact that if Opera crashes on me, I can open up all my pages and pick up where I left off. |
| 18:24.43 | Fin | oh man |
| 18:24.49 | Fin | it's awesome |
| 18:24.51 | Tepetkhet | If Firefox does the same, OH WELL. |
| 18:24.55 | Fin | and it's *so* *fast* |
| 18:25.05 | Kirkburn | "Also, orcs who directly consume the undiluted blood of Mannoroth will acquire red skin, and classification as a fel or chaos orc. Consumption of diluted blood will result in slightly red-tinted green skin, and will not classify one as a fel or chaos Orc. RotH #?" ... I'm confused about this |
| 18:25.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | K, so there I was... |
| 18:25.06 | Fin | you know one thing that has always got on my tits |
| 18:25.11 | Tepetkhet | That is the single most wonderful feature of Opera. |
| 18:25.13 | Gryphen | standards compliant doesnt mean it follows all standards |
| 18:25.29 | Gryphen | it just means that what it does follow is compliant |
| 18:25.34 | Kirkburn | Zeal, shouldn't it say Magtheridon? |
| 18:25.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | no |
| 18:25.38 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Proposals/Format Fin, basically it's too broad, wasn't explained fully, and people are opposed to namespaces in most cases. |
| 18:25.39 | Fin | it's the fact that some of the most highly flaunted features of Mozilla were in Opera years before Mozilla introduced them (like tabs) |
| 18:25.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | Kirkburn |
| 18:25.48 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 18:25.49 | Tepetkhet | Yeah |
| 18:25.55 | Gryphen | and tabs were a shell mod for ie before that |
| 18:26.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | it should actually say thingy what mannoroth and Magtheridon are |
| 18:26.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | fuck remind me >< |
| 18:26.06 | Tepetkhet | "[13:25] Fin: you know one thing that has always got on my tits" Uh...a bra? |
| 18:26.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | remember |
| 18:26.12 | Fin | and Mozilla fans act like it's all Mozilla's wonderful invention and isn't Mozilla so great for thinking of it |
| 18:26.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | Mannoroth was the first to feed the orcs his blood |
| 18:26.24 | Fin | Tepetkhet: no bra shall ever touch my titties mate! |
| 18:26.26 | Tepetkhet | hahaha |
| 18:26.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | Now they create Fel orcs with the blood of Megtheridon |
| 18:26.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | Braless? |
| 18:26.41 | Kirkburn | Guys, we have a employee on the channel, stick to wiki chat |
| 18:26.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | Show Pictures! |
| 18:26.44 | Zeal | i meant to ask ragestorm Kirkburn, as i assumed he added that. Mannoroth would be correct for RotH |
| 18:26.52 | Tepetkhet | So evil orcs are like vampires? |
| 18:26.54 | Fin | I *bet* you anything sooner or later, Mozilla will add a feature that automatically saves session layouts on crashes |
| 18:26.54 | Zeal | but in RotH, no orc's skin turns red |
| 18:26.59 | Kirkburn | Indeed |
| 18:27.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | Tepetkhet theoretically speaking when comparing it to the Vampire description |
| 18:27.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | no |
| 18:27.28 | Fin | wiki chat it is! apologies for the Opera / tits tangent |
| 18:27.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | As vampires drink the blood straigth from the person |
| 18:27.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | while Fel orcs are fed the blood from a diluted well |
| 18:27.44 | Kirkburn | Zeal, wait it's all really ood |
| 18:27.49 | Tepetkhet | You should never have to apologize for Opera or tits. |
| 18:27.50 | Kirkburn | It is Mannoroth :/ |
| 18:28.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's both atm Kirkburn |
| 18:28.06 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 18:28.12 | Tepetkhet | Sorry. |
| 18:28.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | Both Mannoroth and Magtheridon are feeding blood to orcs |
| 18:28.16 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 18:28.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | well mannoroth did feed them |
| 18:28.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | he's dead now XD |
| 18:28.39 | Tepetkhet | What's really bad is when you combine the conversations... |
| 18:28.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | So, I think it's safe to assume that Pit lords. |
| 18:28.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | actually are the source for fel orcs |
| 18:29.06 | Tepetkhet | [13:27] Patrigan-Syldra: while Fel orcs are fed the blood from.... |
| 18:29.14 | Fin | ooh can we go back to tits now? |
| 18:29.14 | Tepetkhet | Yeah, you can imagine what I tacked on the end there. |
| 18:29.34 | Fin | oh, wait sorry |
| 18:29.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | wha? |
| 18:29.48 | Tepetkhet | Have any other races ever been fed Pit Lord blood? |
| 18:29.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | Tepetkhet you confused me :< |
| 18:30.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | not that we know off, however it wouldn't surprise me that it has been done to other races |
| 18:30.11 | Tepetkhet | From Pit Lord tits? |
| 18:30.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | as far as I'm concerned, they have also fed their blood to the Corrupted Draenei |
| 18:30.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | because, I'm still trying to figure out how they became demons... |
| 18:30.45 | Tepetkhet | Corrupted Draenei... |
| 18:30.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | you don't just become a demon >.> |
| 18:30.45 | Zeal | er.. don't think it's pitlord blood, but fel water is given to a cat in felwood :P |
| 18:30.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | and Pitlords are female |
| 18:30.50 | Kirkburn | Mannoroth was right |
| 18:30.56 | Fin | [19:42:16] < Tepetkhet> Have any other races ever been fed Pit Lord blood? |
| 18:30.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | Kirkburn |
| 18:31.02 | Zeal | Kirkburn? |
| 18:31.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | Mannoroth was right |
| 18:31.09 | Tepetkhet | T... |
| 18:31.12 | Tepetkhet | yeah |
| 18:31.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | but the general Description should be Pit Lord |
| 18:31.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | IMO |
| 18:31.16 | Kirkburn | Check the fel orc page |
| 18:31.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | Doesn't amtter Kirkburn |
| 18:31.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | the page is outdated |
| 18:31.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | atm |
| 18:31.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | Magtheridon's blood is being tapped |
| 18:31.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | by illidan |
| 18:31.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | to create Fel orcs |
| 18:31.52 | Kirkburn | Shall I say both then? |
| 18:32.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | I think it's very safe to assume that it concerns Pit lord blood |
| 18:32.07 | Tepetkhet | How are the fel wells tainted in Felwood? |
| 18:32.10 | Zeal | Kirkburn, that's been rectoned |
| 18:32.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | what has been? |
| 18:32.22 | Kirkburn | What has? |
| 18:32.24 | Zeal | Magethridon's blood only changed their eyes to red |
| 18:32.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | it has? |
| 18:32.29 | Zeal | not their flesh. |
| 18:32.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | then... |
| 18:32.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | it means... |
| 18:32.38 | Kirkburn | Mannoroth was the original guy |
| 18:32.44 | Zeal | the second time however, Magtheridon's blood turned them read |
| 18:32.45 | Kirkburn | Magtheridon is the replacement |
| 18:32.53 | Zeal | *Mannaroth |
| 18:32.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | WoW? oO |
| 18:32.54 | Zeal | sorry |
| 18:33.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | wait |
| 18:33.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | now I'm confused |
| 18:33.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | . |
| 18:33.16 | Kirkburn | Yeah, me too |
| 18:33.19 | Kirkburn | Talk page it? |
| 18:33.30 | Tepetkhet | You know, one of the orc models in character creation has red eyes. |
| 18:33.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | Tepetkhet the orcs we play today, are actually all still descendants of Fel Orcs. |
| 18:33.55 | Patrigan-Syldra | or wait |
| 18:33.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | that's not right >.> |
| 18:34.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | not completely at least |
| 18:34.14 | Tepetkhet | Fel Orcs are biologically the same as regular orcs, though, right? |
| 18:34.18 | Zeal | basically it went like this. Mannaorth blood first time (RotH) = Red eyes, bloodlust. Mannaroth blood the second time (WC3) = red flesh, blood lust, red eyes. Magetheridon blood = red flesh, blood lust, red eyes. |
| 18:34.19 | Tepetkhet | They're just on drugs. |
| 18:34.23 | Tepetkhet | Blood. |
| 18:34.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | actually |
| 18:34.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | I think Tepetkhet has it right |
| 18:34.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | It's comparable with drugs |
| 18:34.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | the more you take it |
| 18:34.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | the worse the symptoms get |
| 18:34.54 | Tepetkhet | Warcraft has a bunch of junkies. |
| 18:35.00 | Tepetkhet | And creates a bunch of junky players. |
| 18:35.01 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 18:35.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | Untill eventually you are so far gone that you become another creature alltogether |
| 18:35.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | ofc, that is an interpretation and shouldn't be taken as lore |
| 18:35.33 | Kirkburn | Zeal, is that entirely from RotH that you get that? |
| 18:35.54 | Zeal | the first part is RotH, the second is WC3, the last is Burning Crusade. |
| 18:36.01 | Tepetkhet | RotH? |
| 18:36.05 | Kirkburn | That makes sense actually |
| 18:36.12 | Kirkburn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.18 | Zeal | darn, beat me |
| 18:36.30 | Tepetkhet | ah |
| 18:36.31 | Zeal | gunna clear it up now. |
| 18:36.40 | Tepetkhet | I didn't read any of the WoW books... |
| 18:36.47 | Tepetkhet | Only played WC3 |
| 18:36.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | I want to, but there's no way of buying them here -_- |
| 18:36.56 | Tepetkhet | + Frozen Throne |
| 18:36.59 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Orc#Skin_colour |
| 18:37.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | and I don't want to take my way to inet buying yet... |
| 18:37.13 | Kirkburn | Also Bagginsww, http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Orc#Skin_colour |
| 18:38.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | So uhm |
| 18:38.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | on to another point |
| 18:38.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | boss tactics |
| 18:38.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | just throw them on the boss page? |
| 18:38.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | like it's done with Ragnaros page? |
| 18:38.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | or create a page along the lines of Bossname_Tactics? |
| 18:39.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | *silence* |
| 18:39.53 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 18:40.40 | Kirkburn | Stick them on the boss page |
| 18:40.40 | Kirkburn | Only worry about splitting them if the page is unweildy |
| 18:40.40 | Kirkburn | (like Kel'Thuzad was) |
| 18:40.40 | Zeal | think i've cleared it up enough not |
| 18:40.41 | Zeal | *now |
| 18:41.08 | *** join/#wowwiki amro (n=amro@82.101.184.182) |
| 18:41.14 | Kirkburn | hmm |
| 18:41.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | Ok... |
| 18:41.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | My inner child... |
| 18:41.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | Just Died... |
| 18:41.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Attumen_the_Huntsman ... |
| 18:41.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | that page, the horror... |
| 18:41.52 | Kirkburn | Zeal, I guess sort of, but it leaves out the 'first time' event |
| 18:42.03 | Kirkburn | Patrigan-Syldra, woah wtf |
| 18:42.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | I didn't touch it yet! |
| 18:42.41 | Kirkburn | What in the hell happened to it I wonder |
| 18:42.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'm crying aswell :'( |
| 18:42.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | Well, I'll fix it |
| 18:42.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | Normal itemlinks ftw ^^ |
| 18:43.03 | Tepetkhet | http://www.wowwiki.com/Steelhawk_Crossbow |
| 18:43.05 | Tepetkhet | ... |
| 18:43.11 | Kirkburn | I think someone messed up the item pages |
| 18:43.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | you think? |
| 18:43.34 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 18:43.45 | Kirkburn | Actually |
| 18:43.53 | Tepetkhet | But... |
| 18:43.53 | Kirkburn | It's probably that the wiki can't cope with that many |
| 18:43.57 | Tepetkhet | http://www.wowwiki.com/Fiery_Warhorse%27s_Reins |
| 18:44.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | nah found the problem |
| 18:44.09 | Kirkburn | But then ... it's fine with the Aldor v Scryer thing |
| 18:44.11 | Tepetkhet | Does this mean we all will get a shot at a warlock-looking mount?? |
| 18:44.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | there were 2 Noinclude tags opening |
| 18:44.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | and only 1 closing |
| 18:44.31 | Kirkburn | Tepetkhet, I hope not! |
| 18:44.45 | amro | hey all |
| 18:44.48 | Kirkburn | Patrigan-Syldra, weird |
| 18:44.48 | Tepetkhet | I want. |
| 18:44.50 | Kirkburn | amro, hullo |
| 18:44.55 | Patrigan-Syldra | hi amro |
| 18:45.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | yup |
| 18:45.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | got the crossbow fixed now |
| 18:45.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | will fix rest |
| 18:45.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | though, we should get tooltips working |
| 18:45.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | I nearly beg you |
| 18:45.23 | Zeal | Kirkburn, i'd have to go back and check, but i'm fairly sure the "first time" was actually diluted, which would make sense |
| 18:45.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | get them working! |
| 18:45.40 | Kirkburn | sec, shall look at the book now |
| 18:45.47 | Zeal | i think that's where the original author was coming from |
| 18:47.32 | Kirkburn | Undiluted |
| 18:47.41 | Kirkburn | There was no water in the pool |
| 18:48.24 | Kirkburn | "now the pool was nothing more than an empty space of stone and tiles", page 293 |
| 18:49.01 | Kirkburn | So it must have been pure blood |
| 18:49.04 | Zeal | i see : / |
| 18:49.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | Tactics or Strategies... |
| 18:49.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | Which name we prefer? |
| 18:49.27 | Tepetkhet | Strats |
| 18:49.30 | Tepetkhet | Strategies |
| 18:49.31 | Zeal | in which case, i leave it to you to word it to say the first and second time. |
| 18:49.35 | Zeal | :p |
| 18:49.53 | Zeal | hell, the second time was diluted now that i recall.. |
| 18:49.59 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 18:50.03 | Kirkburn | Shall see what I can do |
| 18:50.04 | Zeal | dunno about this latest time. |
| 18:50.08 | Tepetkhet | Back later...maybe. |
| 18:50.10 | Tepetkhet | Have to go. |
| 18:50.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | see ya |
| 18:50.13 | Tepetkhet | really sick, though |
| 18:50.17 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:Bc/content#New_templates me likely the new one |
| 18:50.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | get better soon! |
| 18:50.24 | Zeal | well i would.. it's based off mine, lol. |
| 18:52.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | Hmmm shall I leave the Thottbot link ont the Boss page? |
| 18:53.39 | Zeal | hm? |
| 18:54.40 | Kirkburn | Now? <Patrigan-Syldra> get better soon! |
| 18:54.40 | Kirkburn | <Zeal> well i would.. it's based off mine, lol. |
| 18:54.40 | Kirkburn | <Patrigan-Syldra> Hmmm shall I leave the Thottbot link ont the Boss page? |
| 18:54.41 | Kirkburn | <Zeal> hm? |
| 18:54.43 | Kirkburn | Arhg |
| 18:54.50 | Zeal | gg |
| 18:54.52 | Zeal | :P |
| 18:54.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | lol |
| 18:54.57 | Kirkburn | bloody thing! |
| 18:55.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's fine, l2useIRC |
| 18:55.03 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Orc#Skin_color |
| 18:55.30 | Kirkburn | I didn't copy the text on here, I just had it selected when copy the link in IE. Weird :/ |
| 18:55.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | Actually, I put my question ina more general sentence. Can I be cocky and just create bosspages without having to refer to external links? |
| 18:55.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | as in: The wiki is right, no need for confirmation |
| 18:56.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | even more general would be: "Just create pages without having to refer to external Links" |
| 18:56.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | this does mean that all information is to be found within the wiki |
| 18:56.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | It's just... |
| 18:56.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | per example: |
| 18:56.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patchwerk |
| 18:57.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | look at the massive amount of external links |
| 18:57.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | Movies and stuff I understand |
| 18:57.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | But why the Thottbot Allakhazam and WoWhead links... |
| 18:57.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | I mean, do we have to promote our "rivals"? |
| 18:57.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | It's not really useful or not |
| 18:57.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's the fact that it's... |
| 18:57.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | wellµ |
| 18:58.18 | Fin | is there information at the end of the links that isn't found on WW in as much detail, that someone would find useful? |
| 18:58.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | a constant confirmation "Look we're right, here's the page we stole the information off" |
| 18:58.34 | Fin | that should be the only thing that counts really, the whole point of the wiki is to help people out |
| 18:58.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | the only thing that those other pages have, that we don't have |
| 18:58.35 | Zeal | just checked it to "aquired" Kirkburn. As aquire really only works for Magtheridon, and even then, it's not always going to happen, so we should jsut take about their past effects. |
| 18:58.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | is Drop Percentages |
| 18:58.41 | Zeal | *changed it to |
| 18:58.48 | Kirkburn | kk |
| 18:59.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | bleh, I'll leave it on there for now -_- |
| 18:59.17 | Fin | it's perhaps not just the pages themselves, but maybe, the comments, the updates, the things the pages links to, the categorisation? just alternative ways of looking at the same information |
| 18:59.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | though, expect a burning Crusade against Thottbot / Allakhazam / WoWhead external links... |
| 18:59.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | Fin, the wiki is a free to edit website |
| 18:59.52 | Fin | yup |
| 18:59.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | allowing multiple views to be taken |
| 18:59.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | thus |
| 19:00.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | external links shouldn't be needed |
| 19:00.13 | Zeal | Basically, if we don't have the info, provide an external source until we have comparable info, after which point, remove the external link. |
| 19:00.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | I like that |
| 19:00.29 | Kirkburn | Zeal, for the bc template - can you make the colours less contrasting? Give the bg a hint of green? |
| 19:00.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'll follow that rule |
| 19:00.33 | Fin | shouldn't be needed... as long as someone's added all the multiple views to the site |
| 19:00.40 | Zeal | contrasting? :s |
| 19:00.55 | Kirkburn | light yellowy green and grey? |
| 19:01.08 | Kirkburn | Either both greenish or or neither =) |
| 19:01.19 | Kirkburn | or ororor or. or. |
| 19:01.23 | Zeal | well considering either way the wiki grey will contrast with it, i don't see the complaint |
| 19:01.26 | Fin | and Patrigan-Syldra, you should never be afraid of your competition unless they're actually better than you :) |
| 19:01.51 | Zeal | i went with grey bg because people (Tusva) complained about the green bg |
| 19:02.02 | Kirkburn | Less green than that, then |
| 19:02.03 | *** join/#wowwiki Cairenn (n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn) |
| 19:02.03 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 19:02.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | Fin |
| 19:02.12 | Kirkburn | I think it was the fact it was overpowering |
| 19:02.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | they will in a sense be better |
| 19:02.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | due to the fact that they take it straight from the game |
| 19:02.25 | Fin | myself included |
| 19:02.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | while we depend on people |
| 19:02.28 | Zeal | well i've gone with a yellowy-green as that's the colour of fel, and the colour that signifies BC. |
| 19:02.36 | Cairenn | hi |
| 19:02.39 | Zeal | i quite like it : / |
| 19:02.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | hi |
| 19:02.46 | Zeal | lo Cairenn |
| 19:02.48 | Fin | hola! |
| 19:02.48 | Gryphen | heya |
| 19:02.51 | Kirkburn | Zeal, I have no problem with the colour, just the contrast! |
| 19:03.14 | Zeal | it's supposed to contrast.. |
| 19:03.14 | Kirkburn | i.e. make the bg hinted green, but not an overpowering shade |
| 19:03.17 | Fin | I can^W spend hours mucking around with colour schemes |
| 19:03.18 | Zeal | colour alwaus will |
| 19:03.23 | Zeal | *always |
| 19:03.33 | Fin | it's always a disaster |
| 19:03.43 | Zeal | and the whole point is it stands out and is recognizable at a glance. |
| 19:03.53 | Kirkburn | And it should also look good |
| 19:03.55 | Zeal | so contrast + bc color = good |
| 19:04.01 | Zeal | it does look good :P |
| 19:04.06 | Kirkburn | I'm just saying, make the bg slightly green! |
| 19:04.21 | Kirkburn | You even wanted it that way :/ |
| 19:04.29 | Fin | oh, sure, "slightly green" - YOU go pick out the right shade of "slightly green"! |
| 19:04.36 | Fin | there's MILLIONs of slightly greens |
| 19:04.36 | Zeal | and i'm saying i get complaints when i do that (and it doesn't look as nice) |
| 19:04.53 | Zeal | i didn't want ti that way, i just tried it out |
| 19:04.56 | Fin | you need a graphic designer geek |
| 19:04.56 | Zeal | i didn't like it, lol |
| 19:05.03 | Zeal | i am one Fin :P |
| 19:05.09 | Fin | woo! |
| 19:05.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | lol! |
| 19:05.15 | Fin | can we be friends? |
| 19:05.25 | Zeal | er.. lol sure? |
| 19:05.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | really that one was funny ^^ |
| 19:05.40 | Kirkburn | Like so: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:Bc/content#New_templates |
| 19:05.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | actually Lolling irl atm ^^ |
| 19:06.11 | Fin | friends do favours for each other like help each other choose colour schemes |
| 19:06.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | One small note though |
| 19:06.26 | Zeal | it's like.. not noticable Kirkburn :p |
| 19:06.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | This article contains information on content only available to players with a Burning Crusade account. |
| 19:06.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | use that sentence |
| 19:06.46 | Kirkburn | It is to me :) |
| 19:06.48 | Fin | just mute me or something |
| 19:06.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | all other sentences are actualyl wrong |
| 19:07.08 | Zeal | Patrigan-Syldra, how so? |
| 19:07.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | This article contains information on content only available to players with The Burning Crusade installed. this sentence per example |
| 19:07.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | it may lead to people believing they don't need an account for it |
| 19:07.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | or at least not a BC one |
| 19:07.56 | Zeal | we're not using "This article concerns content exclusive to The Burning Crusade" |
| 19:07.58 | Zeal | *now |
| 19:08.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | Burning Crusade Content: This article concerns content exlusive to The Burning Crusade. This sentence is just too vague |
| 19:08.12 | Zeal | no distinction about the account or install is thus made. |
| 19:08.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | well... |
| 19:08.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's too vague in my eyes |
| 19:08.33 | Fin | I think adding "This sentence is just too vague" might confuse people |
| 19:08.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | whilst |
| 19:08.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | grmmmbl -_- |
| 19:08.47 | Zeal | well in that case, "This article concerns content only available to players with a Burning Crusade account." |
| 19:08.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | you know what I mean |
| 19:09.01 | Fin | I do, yes, sorry |
| 19:09.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | yeah, that shows exactly what it is about |
| 19:09.16 | Zeal | i have no gripes about the length of the statement, it's overs that do :P |
| 19:09.21 | Zeal | *others |
| 19:09.22 | Zeal | grr |
| 19:09.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | well, to be honest |
| 19:09.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | text shouldn't actually be needed... |
| 19:09.34 | Zeal | rofl Fin |
| 19:09.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | I just like an icon |
| 19:09.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | (or at least an icon for sections) |
| 19:10.08 | Kirkburn | Zeal, that colour? (updated both) - http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Bc-section |
| 19:10.21 | Zeal | that won;t work, as BC and I-BC must be different. |
| 19:10.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | anywas, I'll be going back to attumen |
| 19:10.50 | Zeal | isn't that the same colour i used before Kirkburn? :P |
| 19:11.02 | Kirkburn | Nope! |
| 19:11.03 | Zeal | slightly less saturated |
| 19:11.11 | Zeal | i still prefer the grey |
| 19:11.14 | Zeal | but i don;t care. |
| 19:12.19 | Kirkburn | ^^ |
| 19:12.21 | Zeal | though the bc-section should be changed to i-bc and use my i-note template :P |
| 19:12.29 | Zeal | and thus no colour. |
| 19:12.30 | Zeal | lol |
| 19:12.52 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 19:13.30 | Kirkburn | Zeal, I say either we go all green or all grey |
| 19:13.43 | Zeal | i say we go green borders and grey bg :P |
| 19:13.53 | Zeal | but if you don;t agree, all green. |
| 19:13.56 | Kirkburn | If I had a choice I'd go for all grey |
| 19:14.02 | Zeal | the section one is a diff matter |
| 19:14.02 | Kirkburn | ... |
| 19:14.06 | Fin | Kirkburn: me too! |
| 19:14.13 | Fin | stick with shades of grey, can't go wrong there |
| 19:14.36 | Zeal | except people would miss it and not realive fin ;) peopl like er... you, lol |
| 19:14.45 | Zeal | *realize |
| 19:14.49 | Kirkburn | Zeal, I'm coming around to your i-bc btw |
| 19:14.56 | Zeal | oh? yay |
| 19:15.33 | Fin | I suppose that is really only applicable if colours are Difficult (I find colours Difficult) |
| 19:15.42 | Fin | maybe I'm colourblind! |
| 19:15.46 | Fin | ahaaa, that would explain it |
| 19:16.31 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Templates/i-speculation you know that's win. |
| 19:16.47 | Zeal | i need to switch to the new icon actually.. |
| 19:16.53 | Fin | you know what I'd do? |
| 19:16.54 | Fin | my vote? |
| 19:17.00 | Fin | I know you don't care, but here it is: |
| 19:17.35 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:Bc/content |
| 19:17.36 | Fin | just a big box with quite a large font saying "This article is Lore" |
| 19:17.42 | Fin | which linked to a page describing what Lore is |
| 19:18.22 | Fin | then underneath in same size font "Disputed Lore" or something |
| 19:18.34 | Fin | or whatever subcategory of Lore it is |
| 19:18.55 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 19:19.14 | Fin | I've got a horrible feeling there's about fifty reasons I don't know about why that's a bad suggestion |
| 19:20.39 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Bc-section |
| 19:20.54 | Kirkburn | Zeal, ^ |
| 19:21.05 | Zeal | Kirkburn, set the bg of BC to #2C2C2C ;) |
| 19:21.17 | Kirkburn | why? |
| 19:21.44 | Zeal | win! |
| 19:21.48 | Kirkburn | I think it's too light :) |
| 19:21.50 | Zeal | though thoughts on what pat said? |
| 19:21.54 | Zeal | and because it's nicer |
| 19:22.01 | Zeal | it doesn;t contrast as much ;) |
| 19:22.56 | Kirkburn | I think the text is adequate |
| 19:23.15 | Zeal | fair enough |
| 19:23.22 | Zeal | i like both, don't care |
| 19:23.37 | Zeal | anyways.. i still want a larger BC icon |
| 19:23.38 | Kirkburn | 2c it is |
| 19:23.46 | peters-tx | anyone know if a warrior's Rend is what can tap a mob, or is it the melee hit that does it.. because the Rend trigers the melee attack mode |
| 19:23.52 | Zeal | one that's atleast 24 pxels high. |
| 19:24.21 | Kirkburn | Agh, I'm done for now, need to do something else! |
| 19:24.39 | Zeal | that just *swoosh with hand gestures over his head* i'm afaird Peter : / |
| 19:24.46 | Zeal | Kirkburn, you want more to do? lol |
| 19:25.00 | Kirkburn | I just need to do something, anything else |
| 19:25.04 | Zeal | why are you using Icon-news.png for category listings? :P |
| 19:25.23 | Zeal | btw, check out my main page dev, updated it with icons. |
| 19:26.10 | Gryphen | looks cluttered to me |
| 19:26.18 | peters-tx | k |
| 19:27.13 | Zeal | my main page Gryphen? |
| 19:27.17 | Gryphen | yeah |
| 19:27.36 | Zeal | pfft :P |
| 19:27.52 | Zeal | less so thatn the existing one, and more (better) info to boot |
| 19:29.05 | Gryphen | not imho :) |
| 19:29.05 | Gryphen | nuked Cosmos :/ |
| 19:29.36 | Zeal | hm? |
| 19:29.50 | Zeal | i "nuked" all that useless crap |
| 19:30.18 | Gryphen | useless to you |
| 19:30.31 | Zeal | usless to most. |
| 19:30.39 | Kirkburn | Stop now. |
| 19:30.39 | Gryphen | in your opinion |
| 19:30.55 | Kirkburn | Zeal, you apparently don't know the situation with Cosmos |
| 19:31.01 | Zeal | no addon should be directly on the front page except in the context of popular pages, which cosmos is not. |
| 19:31.11 | Kirkburn | I was right. |
| 19:31.13 | Zeal | that the creators of the wiki also work on cosmos? |
| 19:31.29 | Kirkburn | Both ways |
| 19:31.50 | Zeal | irregardless, that's bias and i view it as a taint on the wiki tbh. |
| 19:31.59 | Kirkburn | Also, much of Cosmos' documentation is on the wiki |
| 19:32.14 | Kirkburn | It ain't bias |
| 19:32.24 | Gryphen | all docs, other addons have their own docs |
| 19:32.33 | Kirkburn | Cosmos' info home is on the wiki, unlike other addon packages |
| 19:33.03 | Zeal | so this is WoW(&Cosmos)Wiki? as that's not what the name implies, and not what the about page says :P |
| 19:33.35 | amro | how about WoW(&Cosmos&WoWBench&EverythingElseWithDocsOnTheWiki)Wiki? |
| 19:33.40 | Zeal | the fact you call it a "situation" shows it's something you don't care to inform users about, yet care enough to give priority to Cosmos. |
| 19:33.40 | Gryphen | well it isnt the WoW(&Zeal)Wiki either |
| 19:34.10 | Gryphen | what you find important/unimportant doesnt make it so |
| 19:34.10 | Zeal | did i ever say it was? O_o |
| 19:34.22 | Zeal | no, but what i find bias/unbiased does |
| 19:34.22 | Kirkburn | You make it feel that way sometimes :/ |
| 19:34.31 | Kirkburn | It's nothing to do with bias, okay? |
| 19:34.47 | Kirkburn | Sections of great importance go on the front page |
| 19:34.49 | Zeal | it is, it belongs in the about page otherwise. |
| 19:34.54 | Kirkburn | Cosmos has a large and important section |
| 19:35.00 | Zeal | and importance is a bias concept. |
| 19:35.15 | Kirkburn | Are you really arguing this with me? |
| 19:35.22 | Zeal | either make it clear about Comos, or it's bias. |
| 19:35.26 | Zeal | indeed, i am. |
| 19:36.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | Well I agree with Zeal there's no need for cosmos to be frontpage material, unless if they pay for it. |
| 19:36.10 | Kirkburn | *sigh* |
| 19:36.13 | Zeal | that isn;t what i said pat |
| 19:36.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | Well, it's what I say |
| 19:36.20 | amro | zeal, im going to remove the page on warriors since its not important to me |
| 19:36.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | and it leans toward what you say |
| 19:36.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | It doesn't have anything to do with importantness |
| 19:36.41 | Zeal | i jsut feel, if Comos is important and part of this wiki's goal, it should be documented and presented as such. |
| 19:36.46 | Kirkburn | This has nothing to do with money, loyalty, or anything like that |
| 19:36.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | then it shouldn't be frontpage material |
| 19:37.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | or at least not that big |
| 19:37.12 | Kirkburn | Cosmos has a large and popular section on the wiki |
| 19:37.21 | Zeal | amro, please onyl say something when you don't completely miunderstand what i'm saying : / |
| 19:37.29 | Kirkburn | Most of Cosmos' documentation is on the wiki, and people are directed to look there for it |
| 19:37.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | yes Kirkburn |
| 19:37.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | directly to the cosmos page |
| 19:37.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | they don't pass the frontpage |
| 19:37.56 | amro | zeal, you said importantness is biased, hence my comment |
| 19:37.58 | Kirkburn | Zeal, only say something when you don't look ignorant and insulting to members on the IRC channel (i.e. Gryphen) |
| 19:38.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | I have nothing against Cosmos |
| 19:38.29 | Kirkburn | Good :) |
| 19:38.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | I just have something against the fact that they are on the front page, while there is no need for them to be frontpage. |
| 19:38.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Hosted_AddOn_Pages |
| 19:38.50 | amro | unless you're running out of space, there's no need to remove the link |
| 19:38.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | is more than enough |
| 19:38.55 | Zeal | Kirkburn, i'm not agaisnt the Cosmos being on the wiki, and i'm not against it having a priority on the wiki, as long as it is documented (the about page for example) that it also has a priority for Comos and is used for Cosmos documentation. OTherwise users will view it as bias against their addon and the rest fo the content of the wiki. |
| 19:39.12 | Zeal | i insulted gryphen? :S |
| 19:39.17 | Gryphen | Im not |
| 19:40.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | Just let me put it like this, Cosmos might have redirections towards the wiki, those players do not by any chance pass the frontpage. |
| 19:40.23 | Kirkburn | The Cosmos section is larger than the Hosted Addons section |
| 19:40.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | Does that make it important enough to be frontpage then? |
| 19:40.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | Naxxaramas is larger than the cosmos (most probably |
| 19:40.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | and it ain't on the frointpage like Cosmos is |
| 19:40.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | yet, naxx used to be the main Raiding instance |
| 19:40.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | the thing many players wanted to see... |
| 19:40.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | on top of that |
| 19:40.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | Naxx was part of the wiki's goal |
| 19:40.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | and that's WoW |
| 19:41.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | not Cosmos |
| 19:41.11 | Zeal | It's essentially the case of "do as i say, not as i do" with the wiki atm.. really provides an unstable ground and set of rules to follow for contributers. |
| 19:41.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | that's not true Zeal |
| 19:41.58 | Zeal | no? dunno how that wasn't clear. |
| 19:42.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | Zeal |
| 19:42.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's not necassarily a do or don't |
| 19:42.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | there's a very simple way to solve it actually |
| 19:42.24 | Kirkburn | Do you want a vote on every single front page link then? |
| 19:42.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | vote it |
| 19:42.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | if we must? |
| 19:42.43 | Zeal | no Kirkburn.. apparently what i'm asking isn't being understood. |
| 19:43.09 | Zeal | Add something about the priority and use for Cosmos documentation. |
| 19:43.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | there are tbh, MANY things that bother me in the cosmos documentation |
| 19:43.59 | Kirkburn | This isn't about priority |
| 19:44.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Mugendai&redirect=no per example... |
| 19:44.19 | Zeal | drop the word priority then, same thing. |
| 19:44.22 | Kirkburn | The Cosmos section is larger and in many cases more important than the Hosted Addons section |
| 19:44.52 | Kirkburn | Most people who come to the wiki are likely to be looking for Cosmos documentation over any other addons |
| 19:45.25 | Kirkburn | In the Cosmos forums, people are told to look at the wiki, they're not going to link the exact article every time |
| 19:45.27 | Zeal | larger, and popular is corrrect. importance is bias in the sense you are using it. if the wiki had documentation to say "this wiki is also used as documentation for Comos and it's related addons" then fine. |
| 19:45.30 | Zeal | atm, it doesn't |
| 19:45.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | kirkburn |
| 19:45.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | in the cosmos forums |
| 19:45.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | they link to every article |
| 19:46.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | and in the cases that they don't |
| 19:46.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | they link to |
| 19:46.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Cosmos |
| 19:46.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | there's not even 1 moment |
| 19:46.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | that cosmos users will ever pass the frontpage |
| 19:47.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | except for maybe from the sentence where they state that it's hosted on http://www.wowwiki.com |
| 19:47.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | Though, I'm not even sure that sentence exists |
| 19:48.31 | Gryphen | I don't really care if it is there myself, I just know that people try and knock down cosmos and thottbot besides their popularity and so I defend defamation of either. |
| 19:48.47 | Kirkburn | 1. We're arguing over a single link, 2. History does matter |
| 19:48.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's not that I attempt to knock down Cosmos, don't get me wrong Gryphen |
| 19:49.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | I have never used it, so I can't say wether it's good or not |
| 19:49.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | My only intention is the wiki |
| 19:49.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | and the fact that we ourselves gain nearly nothing from it being on the frontpage. |
| 19:49.44 | Zeal | I've never used Cosmos (granted i've never wanted to), so i have nothing against it, and i'm certainly not trying to knock it down |
| 19:50.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | and I'm currently scavenging the Cosmos page |
| 19:50.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | and there is not even 1 part where they mention WoWwiki |
| 19:50.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | at least not in a good seeable way |
| 19:50.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | which should, in my oppinion, be an important point |
| 19:50.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | through the wiki, we lead people to Cosmos |
| 19:50.44 | Gryphen | ? |
| 19:50.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | but to cosmos there ain't any leads to the wiki itself, except for the documentation |
| 19:51.31 | Zeal | if it's part of the purpose of the wiki, then i want Cosmos to have front page space and quick access. I just feel there needs to be soemthing explaining this to users so it doesn't come across as bias, they know where Cosmos stands, and don't make the mistake of arguing this issue again. |
| 19:53.00 | Zeal | I can easily be excused for being ignorrant on this matter, as the wiki (and its admins) refuse to (which i still have not seen any of you reply to why) document it. |
| 19:53.28 | Kirkburn | Because we didn't realise it was that important? |
| 19:54.02 | Zeal | and now that you realise it is? :s |
| 19:54.03 | Kirkburn | This isn't about refusing, we've been quite clear about why it's there. There's not been an explanation written down because /we didn't know it mattered!/ |
| 19:54.19 | Kirkburn | But evidently it does |
| 19:54.26 | Zeal | indeed. |
| 19:54.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | bh, "a lot of documentation" does not look as a good reason to be frontpage material |
| 19:54.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | tbh* |
| 19:55.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | especially when there are 0 links on the CosmosUI.org that link right to http://www.wowwiki.com |
| 19:55.36 | Zeal | fyi, anything pat is saying, don't take it i'm in agreement, haven't honestly read any of it yet :P |
| 19:55.44 | Kirkburn | What do you mean /now/ we realise it is? This is the first time I've had someone argue so vehemently against it :/ |
| 19:55.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | -_- |
| 19:56.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'm poinitng out some of the amateuristic aspects of this "agreement" |
| 19:56.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | which bothers me Zeal |
| 19:56.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | that's what I said in a nutshell >.> |
| 19:56.36 | Zeal | Kirkburn, really, you're arguring that for the sake of getting angry? You've already said the same yourself. <@Kirkburn> But evidently it does |
| 19:56.47 | Kirkburn | Patrigan-Syldra, you're wrong btw |
| 19:56.56 | Kirkburn | Oh wait |
| 19:57.02 | Kirkburn | nvm, I see what you're saying |
| 19:57.17 | Kirkburn | They link directly to /Cosmos |
| 19:57.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | nah |
| 19:57.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | the only link I've found yet |
| 19:57.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | s to the faq |
| 19:57.44 | Kirkburn | Front page, right column |
| 19:58.03 | Kirkburn | "The Cosmos compilation contains many AddOns which are constantly under development, you can view and help contribute information about many of the AddOns at WoWWiki.com. |
| 19:58.03 | Kirkburn | " |
| 19:58.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | and I missed that >.> I'll shut up now -_- |
| 19:58.25 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 19:58.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | Gryphen |
| 19:58.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | another question |
| 19:58.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | why do you have 2 FAQs? |
| 19:58.48 | Gryphen | ? |
| 19:58.55 | Kirkburn | The wiki one and website one, I think he means |
| 19:59.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.cosmosui.org/cosmosfaq |
| 19:59.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | though none of the links actually work for me oO |
| 19:59.45 | Gryphen | I dont know, wiki was first, now depreciated im sure |
| 20:00.05 | Gryphen | but it seems no matter how many faq's, nobody reads them :( |
| 20:00.14 | Gryphen | damn nooblers |
| 20:00.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | lol ^^ |
| 20:00.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | people do |
| 20:00.17 | Kirkburn | Zeal, wait, did you not have an interface section at all? |
| 20:00.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | though... |
| 20:00.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | without offense |
| 20:00.33 | Zeal | on my dev page no, only a link to it. |
| 20:00.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | the whole Comsosui page |
| 20:00.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | is kind of... |
| 20:00.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | Amateuristic, when it comes to linking ^^ |
| 20:01.00 | Kirkburn | Yeah, well that was a big mistake =) The Interface section on WoWWiki is huge and extremely important |
| 20:01.01 | Zeal | i'm pondering how to go about it atm. |
| 20:01.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | (but then again, the wowwiki does have it's edges aswell...) |
| 20:01.22 | Zeal | As is (or getting there) most of the wiki Kirkburn :p |
| 20:01.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | agree with Kirkburn |
| 20:01.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | Lore + interface atm |
| 20:01.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | and more and more we're wipping up to become something more |
| 20:01.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | Tbh... |
| 20:01.47 | Zeal | they're all merely linked to, except help, policies, about, news, and the community stuff. |
| 20:01.50 | Kirkburn | I can get your nearly 300 people who will shout at you if the interface section gets relegated to a single link |
| 20:01.55 | Patrigan-Syldra | I want "News" on the frontpage -_- |
| 20:02.06 | Zeal | hehe, same. |
| 20:02.14 | Gryphen | i still find the page cluttered regardless of the links :) |
| 20:02.46 | Zeal | well that i really don't follow, as i finf it tidy and logical. |
| 20:02.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | What i would do: |
| 20:02.50 | Zeal | *i find it |
| 20:02.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | Cut dow on the amount of links |
| 20:03.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | and create a "Quicklinks" sections |
| 20:03.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | which links to overview pages |
| 20:03.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | (thus creating a single link for Interface aswell) |
| 20:03.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | left a "News" Section |
| 20:03.32 | Zeal | Patrigan-Syldra, that's what i've done :P |
| 20:03.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | and delete What is WoWWiki? » |
| 20:03.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | I never exactly understood why the fuck it was there |
| 20:03.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | well... |
| 20:04.01 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Main_Page so we know what i'm talking about, heh. |
| 20:04.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | at least the text improved over time |
| 20:04.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | I remember months ago |
| 20:04.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | when the What is WoWWiki? » still explained the word in detail |
| 20:04.20 | Zeal | I've made the about section, with the help of kirkburn, more useful. |
| 20:04.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | even with pronounciation and stuff ^^ |
| 20:04.29 | Gryphen | i think the page seems spaced out and icons everywhere |
| 20:04.39 | Gryphen | and i dont find Quick Links where you have to scroll, that quick |
| 20:05.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | tbh |
| 20:05.28 | Gryphen | the current main page, all the links to section are in the top half |
| 20:05.30 | *** join/#wowwiki Ishtarz (n=weazer@0x50a5b6ac.naenxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 20:05.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's just TOO much information on it |
| 20:05.55 | Zeal | i find links above the content where they lower it to the point you have to scroll counter-productive. :p |
| 20:06.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | though |
| 20:06.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | you have to take into account |
| 20:06.27 | Gryphen | the current page, there is no reason to scroll besides the first visit |
| 20:06.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | it will come up a bit gryphen |
| 20:06.35 | Gryphen | yours you have to scroll every visit if you use the bottom links |
| 20:06.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | User:Zeal/Sandbox/Main Page |
| 20:06.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | From WoWWiki |
| 20:06.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | < User:Zeal | Sandbox |
| 20:06.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | that will dissapear |
| 20:06.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | which is quite a chunk of the page |
| 20:07.05 | Zeal | really, i'd rather see my quick links in the side bar, and some quick links that are more direct down the right. |
| 20:07.20 | Gryphen | i dont need to see About every visit |
| 20:07.34 | Zeal | i dislike the existing sidebar links, they to be belong at the top of the page or not at all : / |
| 20:07.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | well Zeal |
| 20:07.56 | Zeal | news would be longer gryphen, you wouldn't see about :P |
| 20:08.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | then we would have to lower the Google ads |
| 20:08.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | and that's something touchy |
| 20:08.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | oh and I vote for a Paypal Button in the left bar! |
| 20:08.25 | Zeal | donate? |
| 20:08.27 | Zeal | hehe |
| 20:08.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | ofc |
| 20:08.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | first step towards taking down those Google Ads! |
| 20:09.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | One day, you hear me, ONE DAY! |
| 20:09.14 | Gryphen | Patrigan-Syldra the ads aren't as touchy as it seems, for one, they cant be moved without file access and so far there is only one with that access afaik. |
| 20:09.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | those google ads will be gone! |
| 20:09.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | yeah |
| 20:09.26 | Gryphen | and the person who can move them isnt that active |
| 20:09.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | and for him it's a touchy subject :p |
| 20:09.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | believe me |
| 20:09.42 | Gryphen | why has he responded so? |
| 20:09.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | I think i've brought up the ads more than enough |
| 20:09.57 | Zeal | Anyways, there is nothing else that could go down the right other than links really, and putting them in the body as they exist now means the page wastes tons of horizontal space (which is what the existing ones does atm). |
| 20:10.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | Kirkburn what were his exact words again? |
| 20:10.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | Zeal |
| 20:10.30 | Gryphen | well bringing up that ads and him actually seeing the discussion is different |
| 20:10.32 | Kirkburn | I don't have a photographic memory! |
| 20:10.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | abreviate United States to US |
| 20:10.51 | Kirkburn | Safe to say, changing the Google ads are not an avenue to spend your time worrying about |
| 20:10.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | it was something along the lines of "The google ads will stay." |
| 20:11.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | nothing more nothing less |
| 20:11.06 | Zeal | he discussed it with pat Gryphen, basically it boils down to the obvious conclusion, theres nothing better we can do. |
| 20:11.09 | Kirkburn | Pretty much |
| 20:11.25 | Gryphen | well was that ad content or ad position? |
| 20:11.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | content |
| 20:11.33 | Kirkburn | both |
| 20:11.34 | Zeal | ad content |
| 20:11.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | both actually |
| 20:11.38 | Kirkburn | ;) |
| 20:11.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | just "the ad" |
| 20:11.44 | Zeal | he wasn't here for position was he? :S |
| 20:11.52 | Zeal | i think it was content, and existance period. lol |
| 20:12.05 | Kirkburn | I have spoken to him more, and been here longer :) |
| 20:12.13 | Zeal | fair enough |
| 20:12.14 | Zeal | lol |
| 20:12.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | and the simple fact that we can not have an ad with Gold selling promotion if we want to be part of the Fansite base |
| 20:12.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | (those pages all get access to Gurky codes that they can give out and stuff) |
| 20:12.50 | Kirkburn | Rarely |
| 20:13.00 | Kirkburn | Mostly it's been beta invites |
| 20:13.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | at least 3 times a year |
| 20:13.03 | Zeal | i still think even without the ads, Blizz would never except a wiki format for a fan site. |
| 20:13.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | yup beta invites |
| 20:13.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | 2 times |
| 20:13.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | Gurky COntest |
| 20:13.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | and Blizzard is speaking of increasing the amount fo stuff they offer |
| 20:13.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | I don't know Zeal, we abide the Terms of Agreement |
| 20:13.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | (as in no Datamined images and the likes) |
| 20:14.09 | Gryphen | yeah but who do they offer it to? vlad_? maybe he doesn't want to manage that. |
| 20:14.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | We have a rather very big player base (we breached 400million views a day mark) |
| 20:14.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | hmmm crap, good point! |
| 20:14.36 | Zeal | We datamine plenty, and at any moment, a random person could break the ToA |
| 20:14.43 | Kirkburn | In any case, Interface section <-- very important. Cosmos link <-- as much as you may hate it, it's not going anywhere. Google ads <-- staying. CSS <-- not changing dramatically any time soon. Link farm <-- must be at the top of the front page. |
| 20:14.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | Gryphen you aren't as dumb as you look (no offense intended) |
| 20:14.59 | Gryphen | thanks |
| 20:15.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | hmmm |
| 20:15.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | well anyways |
| 20:15.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Attumen_the_Huntsman |
| 20:15.57 | Kirkburn | 400 million page views? You realise that's quite unlikely? |
| 20:16.17 | Kirkburn | Given the player base of WoW is only 8 million and most don't speak english |
| 20:16.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | "not unique" |
| 20:16.38 | Zeal | interface section <-- i still don't see how it's more important than the rest of the wiki. Cosmos <-- no one here hates it? that is important and i indent to give it justification now. Google ads <-- ofc CSS <-- ofc, but we need regular access.. Link farm <-- shouldn't be, looks awful, wastes space, hides content, the existing links are all awful. |
| 20:16.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=www.wowwiki.com |
| 20:16.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | from the page you gave |
| 20:16.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | getting close to 500 |
| 20:16.55 | Zeal | *intend |
| 20:16.55 | Kirkburn | Good work! |
| 20:17.20 | Gryphen | no! we dont want more alexa toolbar users! |
| 20:17.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 20:17.29 | Zeal | rofl |
| 20:17.31 | Gryphen | that kind of quality people we dont need! |
| 20:17.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | I don't even use it |
| 20:17.39 | Kirkburn | Patrigan-Syldra, ah no that's not that's it saying I don't think |
| 20:17.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | but it's a good viewing point |
| 20:17.50 | Zeal | does IE5-7 report to alexa? |
| 20:17.51 | Zeal | :s |
| 20:17.53 | Zeal | *doesn't |
| 20:18.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | Daily Reach stands for not unique visits |
| 20:18.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | afaik |
| 20:18.10 | Gryphen | never heard of that Zeal |
| 20:18.16 | Kirkburn | Alexa only gets its data from those with the Alexa toolbar |
| 20:18.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | but over the whole website |
| 20:18.17 | Zeal | i know IE6 did. |
| 20:18.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | ofc |
| 20:18.22 | Gryphen | you have to use the toolbar |
| 20:18.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | wait |
| 20:18.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | lemme check some other site |
| 20:18.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | one that gives |
| 20:18.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | Unique hits |
| 20:18.48 | Zeal | nah IE6 reports it by default. people used to remove that functionality. |
| 20:18.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | on the main page only |
| 20:18.52 | Kirkburn | Only /only/ if you have the toolbar, thus Alexa can only give estimates |
| 20:18.56 | Kirkburn | No it's doesn't |
| 20:19.01 | Kirkburn | *it |
| 20:19.05 | Zeal | no? |
| 20:19.07 | Kirkburn | IE6 does NOT include Alexa |
| 20:19.28 | Kirkburn | It's nothing to do with Microsoft |
| 20:19.28 | Zeal | it doesn't include any alexa software no, but it does report traffic to them. |
| 20:19.34 | Kirkburn | Nope |
| 20:19.34 | Gryphen | some quick googles finds nothing about ie and alexa other than the toolbar |
| 20:19.41 | Zeal | Microsoft and Alexa used to have an agreement. |
| 20:19.45 | Kirkburn | I think it's a crossed wire |
| 20:19.49 | Kirkburn | Alexa only worked on IE |
| 20:19.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | Does it matter? |
| 20:19.56 | Kirkburn | Thus only IE users were reported |
| 20:19.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | in essence |
| 20:19.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | the point is |
| 20:20.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | since BC release |
| 20:20.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | we are skyrocketing |
| 20:20.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | why is that |
| 20:20.10 | Kirkburn | Indeedily |
| 20:20.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | because we offer information |
| 20:20.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | no other site has |
| 20:20.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | and we need to attempt to keep up with that |
| 20:20.26 | Zeal | well i've nevered used alexa software, and my IE6 used to report it, and i've read a number of articles on the fact previously : / |
| 20:20.36 | Zeal | i never cared though. |
| 20:20.59 | amro | http://www.wowwiki.com/Socket links to itself 4 times |
| 20:21.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | we should actually stop discussing silly things... |
| 20:21.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | amro |
| 20:21.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | comes from |
| 20:21.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | Blue Socket |
| 20:21.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | and the likes |
| 20:21.44 | Kirkburn | "The issue is the 'Related Links' feature of IE (pre-XP SP2) which appears as the 'Tools'/'Show Related Links' menu item (and a corresponding toolbar button if you added it from the 'Customize...' link on the toolbar). If you use that feature, IE will contact the Alexa servers, via MSN, to obtain information about other web pages which seem to be related, open an Explorer Bar, and display those (plus adverts and whatno |
| 20:21.44 | Kirkburn | t)." |
| 20:21.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.46 | Zeal | yes, can't be helped |
| 20:21.56 | Zeal | blame the fact those redirects exist |
| 20:21.59 | amro | yeah i know, instead of templates it should use images and text |
| 20:22.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | hmmm perhaps |
| 20:22.35 | Zeal | ok, well that was it then Kirkburn :P |
| 20:22.41 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 20:22.52 | Kirkburn | Sort of partially true, but mostly not :P |
| 20:22.59 | Zeal | though, does that tell alexa what site you're on? |
| 20:23.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Attumen_the_Huntsman |
| 20:23.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | an I cut out the "stub" now? : |
| 20:23.10 | Zeal | in order to look for related ones |
| 20:23.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | :< |
| 20:23.16 | Kirkburn | I guess so |
| 20:23.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | It holds most basic information |
| 20:23.28 | Kirkburn | But rarely would anyone use that function of IE |
| 20:23.35 | Zeal | indeed |
| 20:23.43 | Kirkburn | Patrigan-Syldra, yeah |
| 20:26.13 | Gryphen | i never even knew that function was in ie |
| 20:26.13 | Kirkburn | Me neither |
| 20:26.13 | Kirkburn | We're gaining on CG :P |
| 20:26.13 | Zeal | hm.. citations are screwing up line heights :s |
| 20:26.13 | Kirkburn | Yay for <sup> |
| 20:26.36 | Kirkburn | You asked about the Interface section earlier Zeal - check the about page |
| 20:26.58 | Kirkburn | There is no other website that has the interface info for WoW |
| 20:27.22 | Kirkburn | We're not only the primary source, we're pretty much /it/ as sources go :) |
| 20:27.28 | Gryphen | wdn :) |
| 20:27.30 | Gryphen | har |
| 20:27.41 | Kirkburn | lol, different stuff =) |
| 20:27.51 | Gryphen | ohhh semantics! |
| 20:28.06 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 20:28.14 | Gryphen | official ui forums! |
| 20:28.17 | Zeal | <sup> ftl : / |
| 20:28.29 | Kirkburn | Gryphen, I'll clip your wings! |
| 20:28.32 | Gryphen | doh |
| 20:28.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | Gryphen |
| 20:28.52 | Kirkburn | (this is wdn btw: http://wdn.wowinterface.com/) |
| 20:29.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | try looking up something specific on the official UI forums >.> |
| 20:29.17 | Kirkburn | in any case, the Interface section is a very ... yes .... important section of the wiki |
| 20:29.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | Important is biased! |
| 20:29.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | sry ^^ |
| 20:29.34 | Kirkburn | You have to spend a fair bit of time around the wiki to know what should go on the front page |
| 20:29.37 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 20:29.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 20:29.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | fair bit of time... |
| 20:29.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | I don't really know |
| 20:29.57 | Kirkburn | What goes on the front page is not directly related to popularity, at least |
| 20:30.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | no |
| 20:30.17 | Kirkburn | Now here's an annoying term: |
| 20:30.19 | Zeal | so basically "customize importance based on user demand and audience"? |
| 20:30.20 | Kirkburn | Notability! |
| 20:30.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | yup |
| 20:30.52 | Kirkburn | Naxxramas may be an extremely popular page, but that doesn't mean it should be on the main menu |
| 20:30.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 20:31.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | to be very honest |
| 20:31.06 | Kirkburn | Hence the sidebar :) |
| 20:31.07 | Zeal | cos you'll also notice we are the only lore resource too :P (all the others are forums and are full of.. well you've seen) |
| 20:31.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | we should have the top tier raiding instance always on the menu |
| 20:31.28 | Zeal | Naxx is pulled in from stats no? |
| 20:31.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | or easily accessible |
| 20:31.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | not really no |
| 20:31.41 | Kirkburn | The main menu links should not change frequently - so the popular changeable stuff is on the sidebar |
| 20:31.43 | Zeal | i thought that's how all the popular pages where done. |
| 20:31.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | Naxx was pulled in from common sense |
| 20:31.54 | Zeal | *were |
| 20:32.02 | Zeal | it's not automated? :S |
| 20:32.06 | Kirkburn | Nope |
| 20:32.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | ofc not |
| 20:32.13 | Zeal | that makes me a sad panda.. |
| 20:32.14 | Kirkburn | Otherwise you'd get weird choices on there |
| 20:32.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | Do you actually think people still vist "Blood elves"? |
| 20:32.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | speaking of which |
| 20:32.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | can you change those pages? |
| 20:32.38 | Kirkburn | Yes |
| 20:32.49 | Kirkburn | I removed Naxx from there a few days ago |
| 20:33.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | good add Karazhan, delete Blood elves and Draenei |
| 20:33.19 | Zeal | Kirkburn, the reverse is the same. The sidebar links should not (and can not) change frequently - so the popular changeable stuff goes on the main meny :P |
| 20:33.20 | Zeal | *menu |
| 20:33.30 | Zeal | oh? |
| 20:33.37 | Kirkburn | Not yet |
| 20:33.41 | Kirkburn | (@ Pat) |
| 20:33.51 | Zeal | i thought that was all in a config you had not access to? :s |
| 20:33.58 | Zeal | *no |
| 20:34.03 | Kirkburn | No, I can access that stuff |
| 20:34.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | well, people are starting to raid Naxx and Gruul's lair now... |
| 20:34.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | the first lvl70 raiding guilds are starting |
| 20:34.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | better to get them quick access |
| 20:34.37 | Kirkburn | The Aldor v Scryer is just shooting up the popular pages thing atm |
| 20:34.45 | Kirkburn | It's already number 6 of all time! |
| 20:34.46 | Zeal | in which case, i'll say b'bye to my quick links.. as they don't belong there. |
| 20:34.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 20:34.55 | Zeal | they belond on the sidebar |
| 20:34.58 | Zeal | *belong |
| 20:35.02 | Kirkburn | Almost as many views as the TBC page :/ |
| 20:35.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 20:35.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | Aldor Vs Scryer is a very fabourable discussion |
| 20:35.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | and I kind of link the page to everyone who asks me about it |
| 20:35.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | (not that it has a big impact) |
| 20:35.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | but I can see many people with the discussion |
| 20:36.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Armor_Sets is it possible to sort the Tier Sets? |
| 20:36.27 | Kirkburn | It's everywhere, great bit promotion for the wiki, shows off something it really excels at |
| 20:36.48 | Kirkburn | Ugh |
| 20:36.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | sry, but it's kind of a mess :p |
| 20:36.58 | Kirkburn | They should be in subcats |
| 20:37.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | and that's the popular page link |
| 20:37.14 | Zeal | what Kirkburn said |
| 20:37.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Armor_Sets |
| 20:37.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Armor_Set I mean |
| 20:37.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | can't you put that one in the Popular Pages... |
| 20:37.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | I hate redirecting people to a category... |
| 20:37.48 | Kirkburn | Shall do |
| 20:37.54 | Kirkburn | Btw, that page needs a tidy |
| 20:38.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | agree actually... |
| 20:38.37 | Kirkburn | Done |
| 20:38.44 | Kirkburn | Changed link :) |
| 20:39.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'll tidy up the page, if I have an idea how to do it :< |
| 20:40.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | brb |
| 20:41.40 | Kirkburn | Done some already :) |
| 20:48.15 | Kirkburn|afk | I think I'm going to go to bed soon, losing the will to live |
| 20:48.46 | Kirkburn|afk | (I know well why people take breaks from wikis every now and then) |
| 20:49.20 | Zeal | god, the ui and guides section is liek the only linsk that make sense.. |
| 20:49.27 | Zeal | lol Kirkburn|afk |
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| 20:59.52 | Zeal | to namespace or not to namespace, that is the question.. |
| 20:59.58 | Zeal | really stuck on guides.. |
| 21:00.17 | Zeal | basically, all articles, regardless of namespace, contain thier own guide to what they are. |
| 21:00.36 | Zeal | guides are merely an accumulation of those things presented in progressive format. |
| 21:01.16 | Zeal | so how to seperate guides from the rest of the wiki, and make them so they can compile the information needed. |
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| 21:09.29 | Zeal | wb, feeling better? |
| 21:09.45 | Tepetkhet | no |
| 21:14.40 | Zeal | :( |
| 21:14.50 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, gone already? :s |
| 21:23.42 | Zeal | Gryphen, you about still? |
| 21:23.49 | Gryphen | ya |
| 21:24.20 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Main_Page let me know what you think of the links now (keep in mind all the old ones would basically be on the sidebar at this point) |
| 21:26.59 | Gryphen | looks better, the tip of the day seems odd |
| 21:27.33 | Zeal | in what way? |
| 21:28.37 | Gryphen | yeah the icons and just seems like it is out of place from the rest of the layout |
| 21:28.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Still too much scrolling imo |
| 21:29.04 | Gryphen | could replace "If you ever need some help or guidance while using the wiki, the following pages are a good place to start looking for it. " with the tup |
| 21:29.07 | Gryphen | tip* |
| 21:29.15 | Creator | damnit, ill never understand girls... >< sorry about the totally non related comment.... :P |
| 21:29.44 | Creator | ...needed to say it somewhere... :P sry |
| 21:30.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, there are elements of that I like, thin borders for one |
| 21:30.11 | Gryphen | i still dont think about needs such prominence besides someone first visit |
| 21:30.13 | Tepetkhet | girl to creator - "Mphm argle bargle muhumminah?" |
| 21:30.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Also, I will shoot you if you keep using "it's" instead of "its" :) |
| 21:30.49 | Tepetkhet | tits? |
| 21:30.49 | Zeal | too much scrolling? you realize is practically the same as the existing one? like 5% more height :S |
| 21:30.56 | Gryphen | community is more useful than the wiki description |
| 21:31.00 | Zeal | anyways.. i still need to shover soemthing under links |
| 21:31.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Tepetkhet, you worry me, you really do |
| 21:31.06 | Zeal | *shove |
| 21:31.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Too much scrolling to get to the important links |
| 21:31.30 | Tepetkhet | I'm quite a bit out of it. |
| 21:31.32 | Zeal | and they are? |
| 21:31.39 | Tepetkhet | I think I'd better leave again, actually. |
| 21:31.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Those currently on the main page ^^ |
| 21:31.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Tepetkhet, aww |
| 21:31.52 | Kirkburn|afk | infobot, hug Tepetkhet |
| 21:31.54 | Tepetkhet | Scary thing is, I need to drive 1 to 1.5 hours to get home still. |
| 21:32.00 | Tepetkhet | through the mountains |
| 21:32.02 | Zeal | you don't need to scroll for those currently on the main page :s |
| 21:32.04 | Tepetkhet | in ice and snow |
| 21:32.05 | Tepetkhet | ugh |
| 21:32.15 | Tepetkhet | bye |
| 21:32.29 | Zeal | help and policies is the same amount of scrolling as the current page. |
| 21:32.42 | Gryphen | i think that the current main page links are more useful than the quicklinks you have |
| 21:32.46 | Kirkburn|afk | The important links being the gameplay links :) |
| 21:33.05 | Kirkburn|afk | We are an info source first, wiki bureaucracy second :) |
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| 21:33.12 | Zeal | yeah, this is what the guides are foor |
| 21:33.19 | Zeal | don't need those existing links. |
| 21:33.32 | Zeal | and as i said, the sidebar would contain my old list |
| 21:33.37 | Zeal | which has most of those already. |
| 21:33.46 | Zeal | *for |
| 21:33.59 | Zeal | anyways, moved the tip inside of the help box. |
| 21:34.07 | Kirkburn|afk | WoW, and Lore are way way too simplified |
| 21:34.30 | Zeal | consider the guides to be similar to how the community portal works |
| 21:34.45 | Zeal | not simplified. |
| 21:35.09 | Kirkburn|afk | No I mean you can't separate the two easily |
| 21:35.12 | Zeal | fyi, i've yet to ever make use of a single link on the existing main page :P |
| 21:35.34 | Zeal | they're not seperate, they overlap. it's the perspective that is different |
| 21:36.03 | Kirkburn|afk | You appear to be suggesting adding an extra layer between the user and the info? |
| 21:37.01 | Kirkburn|afk | I don't see why you have the Special Wiki links so high up (and repeated from the left bar) |
| 21:37.24 | Gryphen | they are resource intensive too |
| 21:37.35 | Zeal | yes, a layer that gathers the info and presents in a way they wish to approach it. As i was saying, all pages currently have guides for what they are. so writting a guide on something is never sensiable in the normal sense, as you're just rewriting stuff already on the wiki. |
| 21:37.52 | Zeal | resource intensive? :s |
| 21:38.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Also, the news section will be way too bloated after any use |
| 21:38.03 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, they wouldn't be repeated is the point, heh. |
| 21:38.20 | Zeal | news section would never contain more than 5 news posts, 3 if you prefer. |
| 21:38.24 | Kirkburn|afk | You want to remove links from the left bar? Zeal work /with/ the wiki, not against it |
| 21:38.56 | Gryphen | user process resources |
| 21:38.59 | Gryphen | use* |
| 21:39.01 | Zeal | the special links are the links i probably use the most. |
| 21:39.05 | Zeal | how so gryphen? :s |
| 21:39.14 | Kirkburn|afk | People come to WoWWiki for info. If you move all the pages they're looking for somewhere else, they're gonna leave |
| 21:39.35 | Kirkburn|afk | e.g. looking at someone's contribs has a noticeable effect on the wiki |
| 21:39.43 | Gryphen | it is just the nature of those pages, they take more process power to generate those pages |
| 21:39.52 | Zeal | just beleive they should be presented in a better format, this being on the wiki (tough i'd prefer above if it was possible), rather than alongside it. |
| 21:39.53 | Gryphen | they are not cached as others are |
| 21:39.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Everytime you look at them, they're recreated |
| 21:40.10 | Zeal | oh i see, well thats not an issue for linking. |
| 21:40.19 | Zeal | thy're still get used, and they should get used. |
| 21:40.21 | Zeal | *they're |
| 21:40.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Need I repeat my earlier statement about what's most important to the wiki? |
| 21:40.41 | Gryphen | no, but causes more strain on the wiki for something that isn't probably used by anyone other than contributors |
| 21:41.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Info source first, wiki madness second |
| 21:41.22 | Zeal | well that is they idea, the links are there for common functions reader and contributers use. |
| 21:41.32 | Kirkburn|afk | "324.09 views per edit" |
| 21:41.44 | Kirkburn|afk | That's the current stat |
| 21:41.45 | Zeal | i don't recall you saying anything about "wiki madness" but fair enough, that can be switched round. |
| 21:42.08 | Kirkburn|afk | "<Kirkburn|afk> We are an info source first, wiki bureaucracy second :)" heh |
| 21:42.37 | Zeal | lol |
| 21:42.43 | Gryphen | the viewers are what the site should cater to, the contributors already know how to get the details |
| 21:43.30 | Zeal | those special pages server both user types. |
| 21:43.35 | Zeal | *serve |
| 21:43.36 | Zeal | ffs |
| 21:44.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Another point - you have the About WoWWiki as the second most prominent thing on the front page, behind the news. Everything WoW related gets relegated to a single link on the right. Does not not seem wrong to you? |
| 21:44.57 | Gryphen | well there is flaw in viewing a generated list of popular pages in that they become perpetually popular regardless of actual popularity |
| 21:45.22 | Gryphen | same flaw in the damn addon sites that show download counts as popularity :) |
| 21:45.33 | Kirkburn|afk | And they're all-time listings, not "in the past month" |
| 21:46.00 | Zeal | hey, i'm not trying to justify the wiki :P |
| 21:46.16 | Zeal | i'll probably move them to the sidebar, we'll see. |
| 21:46.24 | Zeal | anyways.. er |
| 21:46.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Out of everything on that your main page idea, the Quick Links bar is by far the most important element |
| 21:46.39 | Zeal | as to the links, that's because those links aren't needed Kirkburn|afk |
| 21:46.52 | Zeal | not when the sidebar is complete.. |
| 21:50.18 | Zeal | surely you must see kirkburn, then if you're including a mass of links on your front page, you've got a really useless navigation. If Quicklinks were so important, users would need to go back to the main page everytime they want to go somewhere. |
| 21:51.07 | Zeal | *that if |
| 21:53.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, you never saw SilverSide's front page proposals .... |
| 21:53.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Seriously, we've got the light end of the link farm |
| 21:54.18 | Zeal | haha, i have seen a few old devs |
| 21:54.28 | Zeal | i went through a load before working on this :P |
| 21:54.57 | Kirkburn|afk | We deleted SS's, you cannot imagine what they were like |
| 21:55.05 | Zeal | rofl |
| 21:55.16 | Zeal | he did the community portal right? |
| 21:56.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, that was one of his better things |
| 21:56.11 | Kirkburn|afk | (which is saying something) |
| 21:57.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, this may humour you: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Community_portal#Clear_this |
| 21:57.25 | Kirkburn|afk | You may need to roll over the commenters name to get the full impact |
| 21:57.48 | Zeal | i read it before :p |
| 21:58.46 | Kirkburn|afk | I think his front page proposals took about 40-50 page deletion iirc |
| 21:59.07 | Gryphen | what the heck was Template:Ppoi? |
| 21:59.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Mikk had a whale of a time |
| 21:59.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Annoying, that's what ^^ |
| 21:59.27 | Zeal | point of interesting thingy :S |
| 21:59.33 | Zeal | lol |
| 22:00.01 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm glad we're currently cutting down the number of templates |
| 22:01.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh yeah, that reminds me - breadcrumbs should probably be combined too |
| 22:01.37 | Kirkburn|afk | And probably also the tab one could be condensed into one argumented template |
| 22:01.58 | Zeal | well i have no idea how to go about anything else on the main page.. |
| 22:02.15 | Gryphen | Fansites needs an overhaul heh |
| 22:02.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh and the colour bands |
| 22:02.49 | Zeal | tbh Kirkburn|afk, given more time, i would have made a template to handle all those bands and boxes i did. |
| 22:02.51 | Kirkburn|afk | And the race traits. Although we don't even need those at all tbh. |
| 22:03.41 | Kirkburn|afk | It's used so rarely Zeal, I wouldn't expend too much effort on it |
| 22:03.50 | Zeal | rarely? |
| 22:04.11 | Zeal | you mean the templates themselves, or a template that used it? |
| 22:04.25 | Zeal | *templates that would use it. |
| 22:05.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Both, I guess :P |
| 22:05.26 | Kirkburn|afk | I mean, do it if you want to, but it's not frequently used stuff unlike most of the others |
| 22:05.43 | Kirkburn|afk | nice little revamp you did though, thanks |
| 22:05.50 | Zeal | np |
| 22:06.48 | Zeal | ok.. lets flesh out quick links and see if i can make it deserving of the style you want. scenerio time. You go to the main page, what do you want to read, where do you want to go? |
| 22:07.08 | Zeal | and don't just say "a load of links" :P |
| 22:07.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Ooh, roleplay =) |
| 22:07.16 | Kirkburn|afk | haha |
| 22:07.22 | Gryphen | probably like it is hah |
| 22:07.51 | Kirkburn|afk | I would want to see useful links that no-one is likely to search for |
| 22:07.56 | Kirkburn|afk | e.g. Classes |
| 22:08.20 | Kirkburn|afk | e.g. Instance guides, Zones |
| 22:08.42 | Kirkburn|afk | (Don't think I'm saying these on purpose) |
| 22:08.52 | Zeal | no.. that's not roleplaying.. the most obvious one is "I'm a WoW player, i go to the wiki, i want to see the latest patch notes and download it" |
| 22:09.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Fine then, e.g. Patches |
| 22:09.52 | Zeal | i've got the "i'm new to a a wiki help!??!" sorted :P |
| 22:10.21 | Kirkburn|afk | We /could/ fill the front page with the popular pages links, but it wouldn't achieve much, nor be particularly sensible |
| 22:10.32 | Zeal | that's not what i'm going for |
| 22:10.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Are you so sure? |
| 22:10.50 | Zeal | trying to figure out common usage patterns and cater to them. |
| 22:11.04 | Zeal | side effect probably is it's popular |
| 22:11.12 | Zeal | but that's also because it sensiable. |
| 22:11.18 | Kirkburn|afk | It's a good idea btw |
| 22:11.45 | Zeal | so yeah, more roleplay ;) |
| 22:11.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Another important point - think about which links people are going to visit by direct links and searching |
| 22:12.01 | Zeal | instance guide was a good one. |
| 22:12.12 | Zeal | indeed |
| 22:12.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Thus the lack of blood elves, draenei, etc |
| 22:13.01 | Zeal | ofc |
| 22:13.12 | Zeal | never going to have specific links like those. |
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| 22:13.37 | Zeal | something more topical though like burning crusade content/new with latest expansion etc. |
| 22:13.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Basically the first 6 links I feel are essential |
| 22:13.53 | Kirkburn|afk | (5?) |
| 22:14.25 | Zeal | hm.. ok.. i think to better express in terms of the wiki, ishould change guides to portals. |
| 22:15.10 | Kirkburn|afk | I think that would be disastrous |
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| 22:15.29 | Zeal | oh? |
| 22:15.30 | Kirkburn|afk | But I'll leave you to find out why |
| 22:15.35 | Zeal | no, do tell. |
| 22:15.56 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Instance_portal |
| 22:16.16 | Zeal | lol |
| 22:16.31 | Zeal | you think people would be confused? |
| 22:16.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Ooh, you just made me realise a missing link |
| 22:16.43 | Zeal | Vista? Window? :p |
| 22:16.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Reputation |
| 22:17.22 | Zeal | Portal, Vista, Window, Jump, er.. can't really think of any other terms. |
| 22:17.37 | Zeal | basically the community portal is the same concept. |
| 22:17.48 | Zeal | help pages too. |
| 22:18.14 | Zeal | community portal is just it done crazily :P |
| 22:18.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Meh, reputation kinda has a look in via the Factions link. Ho hum |
| 22:18.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, aye |
| 22:18.36 | Zeal | lol |
| 22:19.18 | Zeal | well that means i can drop the API lib bit. |
| 22:19.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Wha? |
| 22:19.58 | Kirkburn|afk | 11. World of Warcraft API ‎(518,908 views) |
| 22:20.14 | Zeal | yes yes, it coems under Interface Customization portal |
| 22:20.23 | Zeal | it's getting an important look in |
| 22:20.31 | Zeal | means cosmos can also opperate as a portal. |
| 22:23.13 | Zeal | Interface Customization or API or API Library? :S |
| 22:23.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyhoo, I'm off. Zeal, just so you know, though the policy etc template upgrades were good, please give some more notice in future. Those weren't huge edits so I'm okay with the changes, but just for future reference :) |
| 22:23.49 | Zeal | pfft, l2notsleep :P |
| 22:23.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Interface Cust, it covers far more than just the API |
| 22:24.00 | Zeal | lol nn |
| 22:28.10 | Kirkburn|afk | The Howling Fjord, sounds like a lovely place |
| 22:28.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | nn Kirkburn|afk |
| 22:29.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'm off aswell |
| 22:29.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | gn guys |
| 22:42.37 | Tekkub | FJORD! TROZ! |
| 22:51.58 | Zeal | O_o |
| 22:52.29 | Zeal | fucking ie.. learn to round calculations... |
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| 23:54.44 | Adys | lol... |
| 23:54.56 | Adys | 10843 hp unbuffed on lvl 70 mage ftw |
| 23:55.07 | Adys | full bc greens "of stamina">< |
| 23:58.09 | axxo | nubcake |
| 23:58.11 | axxo | seen 14k |