| 00:00.38 | voidvector | it is there so you don't actually have hyperlink to page itself, function is for templates. If the page has sections, and you wish to bold the first occurrance of the section title, you can't use this method. |
| 00:00.51 | Zeal | Grim404.. not that i really mind, as me makes me look better, but hes going around correcting spelling and typos on talk pages :P |
| 00:01.01 | Zeal | *as it makes me |
| 00:01.26 | Zeal | er what voidvector? :S |
| 00:01.46 | Zeal | that made no sense |
| 00:01.51 | voidvector | read harder |
| 00:02.14 | Zeal | self-links bold because you don't have hyperlink.. ? |
| 00:02.49 | Zeal | read hard enough, makes no sense. lol |
| 00:04.47 | voidvector | 1) the function is there so you don't have hyperlinks to the page itself. 2) the function designed is for templates. 3) you can't use this method to bold first occurance of section title in a text. |
| 00:07.53 | Zeal | 1) in which case, they would have not bothered bolding. However thy decided to make them bold for a reason. 2) it has no special use for templates, explain. 3) er.. irrelevent? :S [[article#section|section]] :S |
| 00:08.35 | Zeal | beleive [[#section|]] does the same, but not sure. |
| 00:11.29 | Zeal | interesting, [[#section|section]] works but [[#section|]] fails to link :s |
| 00:13.26 | voidvector | btw, look what I found [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Self_link] |
| 00:13.41 | voidvector | check the source of the article itself, it uses ''' ''' to bold the first occurance of self link |
| 00:14.59 | Zeal | yes, it's been created in accordance to their decision, proves nothing |
| 00:15.28 | Zeal | section links should not have defautl self link behavioir, that is correct, as they are jump-to links for a page. |
| 00:17.12 | voidvector | regarding 2), [[ ]] self bolding feature is there so that when you include a template (e.g. for navigation) it would highlight the article which you are viewing. |
| 00:18.47 | Zeal | hardly a desriable result imo. and even if it was (as it know this is for navigational templates at that is clearly where you view is coming from) i'm back to saying the mediwiki staff are short sighted and narrow minded. |
| 00:18.56 | Zeal | *and that |
| 00:19.02 | Zeal | *your view |
| 00:19.15 | Zeal | navigational templates are a god awful idea.. |
| 00:26.28 | voidvector | they are shortsighted, back in the early days, before the introduction of [[ ]] there was this feature called camelcase, were you use camelcase to link to other articles |
| 00:26.56 | Zeal | and how did that go? heh |
| 00:27.49 | voidvector | feature doesn't exist anymore |
| 00:30.14 | Zeal | heh |
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| 00:32.11 | Zeal | well anyways.. i don't think your bot should be going around enforcing something, that is still under debate (thus has the potential to be changed back), and even if there was a decision against self-links, does no harm to reamin as they are. |
| 00:32.48 | Zeal | especially with wiki being as slow and unstable as it is atm : / |
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| 00:33.32 | voidvector | hmm, that's reasonable |
| 00:34.25 | voidvector | oh you know waht, the bot crashed itself just before |
| 00:34.37 | Zeal | lol |
| 00:34.43 | voidvector | it can't find "meta:" namespace |
| 00:34.49 | Zeal | O_o |
| 00:34.51 | Zeal | lol |
| 00:35.12 | Zeal | i have no understanding of bots yet, heh. |
| 00:36.50 | voidvector | oh, basically it stumbled upon a link that reads like [[meta:balba]] and it doesn't know where the page is. |
| 00:38.40 | Zeal | i see, lol |
| 00:40.43 | voidvector | other stupid stuff: it thinks the article [[SI:7]] is in Singhalese |
| 00:42.00 | Zeal | rofl |
| 00:42.56 | voidvector | can't blame it, it's designed for wikipedia |
| 00:44.24 | Zeal | well, its the fact it doesn't know the difference between a psuedo-namespace and a namespace. |
| 00:44.37 | Zeal | can anyone find any mention of drudism changing eye color? :s |
| 00:44.54 | Zeal | got someone who says its on wowwiki and that it's inaccurate.. but i can't find it |
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| 00:48.13 | Zeal | sigh.. wtf tbh : / |
| 00:48.16 | Zeal | i can't find it |
| 00:48.42 | Zeal | sounds like another person slandering wowwiki again.. |
| 00:53.32 | Zeal | found it.. in the orc article of all places |
| 00:53.47 | Zeal | i think ragestorm wrote it, and i'm fairly sure it wrong :S |
| 00:53.51 | Zeal | *it's |
| 00:55.03 | Adys | Tusva! |
| 00:55.24 | Tusva | :D |
| 00:55.37 | Zeal | get room.. lol |
| 00:55.43 | Adys | lol |
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| 01:40.22 | Zeal | ok well i'm going to bed |
| 01:40.23 | Zeal | nn all |
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| 03:30.59 | Adys | new record :D |
| 03:31.04 | Adys | http://adys.stools.net/hp.jpg |
| 03:33.45 | Tusva | Hax! |
| 03:33.50 | Tusva | Mages should never have so much hp |
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| 03:43.16 | Adys | <3 |
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| 04:09.45 | rronkiv | hello |
| 04:10.13 | rronkiv | does the WoW Wiki also cover BC? |
| 04:13.04 | Karrion | absolutely |
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| 06:08.52 | {SIC} | im exchausted |
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| 13:26.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Quiet day on the wiki :P |
| 13:26.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Time for Uni, bbl |
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| 13:35.00 | Kimono | Testing 1, 2 ,3. Anyone active? |
| 13:35.29 | chrisx | no |
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| 13:36.18 | Kimono | Very interesting, there is a response, but that response is denying it's own existence |
| 13:36.26 | chrisx | :-) |
| 13:37.10 | chrisx | just lurking... doing some work and stuff atm |
| 13:37.59 | Kimono | Yeah..my internet is horrid right now, I can't play wow w/o getting disconected. |
| 13:38.10 | Kimono | But I can use IRC :\ |
| 13:39.40 | Kimono | *yawn* |
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| 13:42.27 | LucidFox | hmm, I used to assume Adon was a blood elf |
| 13:42.33 | LucidFox | but the wiki says he's a high elf |
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| 13:58.01 | Tepetkhet | ugh |
| 13:58.03 | Tepetkhet | infobot? |
| 13:58.22 | Tepetkhet | infobot: Blizzard? |
| 13:58.33 | infobot | it has been said that blizzard is the best developer ever. or at least eyonix says so. |
| 13:59.19 | LucidFox | infobot: expansion? |
| 13:59.46 | chrisx | Ãnfobot: addon |
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| 14:06.09 | LucidFox | when flying from Azshara to the Barrens, one can see a bridge similar to the Barrens-Durotar bridge, but way north of it, on the Barrens-Ashenvale-Azshara border |
| 14:06.13 | LucidFox | is it accessible? |
| 14:06.53 | Tepetkhet | There's a bridge between Azshara and Ashenvale...not that on? |
| 14:06.55 | Tepetkhet | er, one? |
| 14:07.11 | Tepetkhet | I mean, the one on the road |
| 14:07.53 | Tepetkhet | And there's a bridge that goes into the "back" entrance to Orgrimmar from the West. |
| 14:08.17 | Tepetkhet | If you're Horde flying from Crossroads to Orgrimmar, you fly right over it. |
| 14:08.19 | LucidFox | no, not that one |
| 14:08.39 | LucidFox | wait, I'll upload a screenshot |
| 14:08.47 | Tepetkhet | Okay. |
| 14:09.42 | LucidFox | http://lucidfox.org/dump/bridge.jpg |
| 14:10.19 | Tepetkhet | yeah |
| 14:10.29 | Tepetkhet | That looks like the bridge into Orgrimmar. |
| 14:10.31 | Tepetkhet | You sure it's not that? |
| 14:10.43 | LucidFox | not, it's not that one |
| 14:10.59 | Tepetkhet | Isn't Org just to your left there? |
| 14:11.00 | LucidFox | look at the minimap |
| 14:11.23 | LucidFox | I was flying from Talrendis Point to Ratchet |
| 14:11.24 | Tepetkhet | yeah |
| 14:11.28 | Tepetkhet | uh |
| 14:11.36 | Tepetkhet | I don't play Alliance... |
| 14:11.39 | Tepetkhet | So I dunno where that is. |
| 14:11.46 | Tepetkhet | But that sure looks like the back entrance to Org. |
| 14:12.00 | Tepetkhet | Right on the border. |
| 14:12.09 | LucidFox | ah |
| 14:13.09 | Tepetkhet | Orgrimmar has the entrance from the South up through Durotar. |
| 14:13.14 | Tepetkhet | That's the main entrance. |
| 14:13.17 | Tepetkhet | Near the Zeppelin. |
| 14:13.29 | Tepetkhet | But if you stare at the front of Org... |
| 14:13.43 | Tepetkhet | And go left (west), you'll go through a small farm and then get to a river. |
| 14:13.53 | Tepetkhet | Cross the river and go right (north) |
| 14:14.01 | Tepetkhet | And you'll come to a bridge that looks exactly like that. |
| 14:14.49 | Tepetkhet | Cross over the bridge and you'll be in Orgrimmar (if the guards don't kill you, lousy Alliance scum. ;) ). |
| 14:14.57 | LucidFox | heh |
| 14:15.40 | Tepetkhet | When we fly in from XR, we go right over that bridge. |
| 14:16.01 | Tepetkhet | The flight takes a slight loop up into Azshara - just enough to see the label you're seeing there... |
| 14:16.04 | Tepetkhet | And hear the music change. |
| 14:16.09 | Tepetkhet | And then back into the city. |
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| 14:17.53 | Tepetkhet | o_O |
| 14:18.12 | Tepetkhet | Our sysadmin seems to have renamed one of the machines here "Picard", if I am reading these logs right... |
| 14:18.13 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 14:18.52 | equiraptor | heh |
| 14:26.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | heh |
| 14:34.30 | equiraptor | Tea, Earl Grey, Hot |
| 14:36.18 | nemppu | <3 |
| 14:36.40 | Tepetkhet | hm |
| 14:36.56 | Tepetkhet | Okay, so why does imp3 think I need to have php4-mysql installed? |
| 14:37.42 | equiraptor | Because the person who set up the ports keeps his accounts there, like a dumbass? |
| 14:37.56 | equiraptor | Can you specify not to use it? |
| 14:42.09 | Tepetkhet | hrrrm |
| 14:42.10 | Tepetkhet | Wait. |
| 14:42.24 | Tepetkhet | When I install imp3, it reinstalls horde2. |
| 14:42.28 | Tepetkhet | horde-2.2.7 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/php/20020429/mysql.so - not found |
| 14:42.58 | equiraptor | I see. Can you specify not-mysql on horde2? |
| 14:43.30 | Tepetkhet | pkg-message:Horde is setup by default to access MySQL. |
| 14:43.32 | Tepetkhet | hmmm |
| 14:43.59 | equiraptor | So install horde, specifying no-mysql, then install imp3 |
| 14:44.48 | Tepetkhet | WITHOUT_MYSQL |
| 14:44.50 | Tepetkhet | There it is. |
| 14:51.15 | kaso | equiraptor, there are four lights |
| 14:54.05 | equiraptor | Huh? |
| 14:54.29 | Tepetkhet | I'm stupid. |
| 14:54.33 | Tepetkhet | I can't figure this out. |
| 14:54.35 | Tepetkhet | meh |
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| 15:01.34 | kaso | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetInventorySlotInfo is fucked up, any admins around? |
| 15:04.02 | Zeal | fuckd up how? |
| 15:05.32 | kaso | hmm |
| 15:05.35 | kaso | works fine now :< |
| 15:05.47 | kaso | before it was showing the mainpage with "WOWWIKI HAS HAD AN ERROR" at the top |
| 15:05.50 | Tuqui-tuqui | when I load that page |
| 15:05.56 | Tuqui-tuqui | I get a temporary warning that say |
| 15:05.59 | Tuqui-tuqui | Wiki has a problem |
| 15:06.02 | kaso | yah thats the one |
| 15:06.06 | Tuqui-tuqui | but it loads the page fine right after |
| 15:07.59 | Zeal | yes, nothing to do with the page |
| 15:08.03 | Zeal | just the wiki as a whole |
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| 15:15.49 | kaso | hokay |
| 15:15.58 | kaso | Who spilt coffee on the server then? |
| 15:17.37 | Zeal | been that way for a while now : / |
| 15:26.21 | zeal | bbl |
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| 15:32.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Dammit, what did zeal want I wonder ... |
| 15:38.50 | Kirkburn|afk | zeal, I don't think the speedydelete template arguments work |
| 15:47.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Lol: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Draenei&diff=next&oldid=452966 |
| 15:49.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Also, need some more views: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:Bc/content |
| 17:08.44 | Tepetkhet | hah |
| 17:08.46 | Tepetkhet | "Children in homes full of books, games less likely to be spanked, except for those unfortunate few who get beaten upside the head for mouthing off about correlation and causation" |
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| 17:15.24 | equiraptor | hah |
| 17:15.34 | zeal | "South Africa is home to many different species of animals. I have four pictures of animals that live in South Africa. I have a elephant, rhinoceros, a lion and a couple of giraffes." rofl |
| 17:15.59 | Tepetkhet | A elephant? |
| 17:17.22 | Zeal | Kirkburn, fixed. |
| 17:33.47 | Kirkburn | cool |
| 17:41.31 | Zeal | noooo! |
| 17:41.34 | Zeal | no fleeing, lol |
| 17:41.46 | Zeal | i've provided feedback on the bc template ;) |
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| 21:11.08 | voidvector | There are a number of templates that should be locked: {{questlong}} {{NPC}} {{Alliance Small Icon}} {{Horde Small Icon}} {{questclass}}. Of course editing any of them would give the server a good workout. |
| 21:17.33 | Zeal | lol |
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| 21:58.04 | Tepetkhet | home soon |
| 21:58.05 | Tepetkhet | bye |
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| 22:20.31 | MrDom | Is there anyone here? |
| 22:21.28 | equiraptor | Yeah. |
| 22:21.42 | equiraptor | Though it has been kinda quiet today. |
| 22:22.14 | MrDom | Woo! :D I have just added my first ever wiki page (for any wiki's anywhere) for API IsSpellInRange - and wanted someone to check I havent gibboned anything up :) |
| 22:23.30 | MrDom | Spent all day experimenting with the damn thing cos it was undocumented, and kept chucking out nil returns when you least expect it :D |
| 22:24.34 | equiraptor | Ozymandius? |
| 22:24.38 | MrDom | yup |
| 22:24.55 | equiraptor | I'm actually relatively inexperienced with wikis and WoW Wikis. |
| 22:25.06 | equiraptor | But it certainly looks like that's a non-broken page... :) |
| 22:25.06 | MrDom | :D |
| 22:25.24 | equiraptor | Once the admins / more experienced people here are around, they can probably give you a decent review of the page. :) |
| 22:25.24 | MrDom | Thats a good start then :D |
| 22:27.00 | MrDom | Ahwell, I shall try again another time then. nn :) |
| 22:27.22 | Zeal | i'm very busy editing and discussing atm. but i don't touch api stuff, so no idea really : / |
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| 23:03.35 | Vonhinten | Any admins paying attention? |
| 23:07.21 | Vonhinten | Guess not... anyway... I just wanted to gripe about the location of the google search on the main page |
| 23:07.50 | kaso | whats wrong with it? |
| 23:08.02 | Vonhinten | Why the heck is it not at the very top of the main page, a big long input box like on google's main page... |
| 23:08.14 | Vonhinten | Every time I visit wowwiki, I have to scroll down and type in what I'm looking for |
| 23:08.42 | Vonhinten | Should be the first field on the page, and the have auto-focus, if you ask me. |
| 23:09.30 | kaso | You have to scroll down? what resolution do you use? |
| 23:09.36 | Zeal | every browser has a search bar.. use it.. |
| 23:09.48 | Zeal | kaso, i have to scroll too |
| 23:09.54 | Zeal | and i'm on 1280x1024. |
| 23:10.00 | kaso | really? |
| 23:10.06 | Vonhinten | 1280x1024, the normal resolution for average LCD's these days |
| 23:10.15 | kaso | i mean really you have to scroll |
| 23:10.18 | Vonhinten | yep |
| 23:10.20 | kaso | i dont.. and im using the same |
| 23:10.31 | Vonhinten | I don't browser with a maximized window |
| 23:10.42 | Zeal | lol, i do |
| 23:10.45 | Zeal | still have to scrool |
| 23:10.47 | Zeal | *scrool |
| 23:10.49 | Zeal | wtf.. |
| 23:10.50 | Zeal | bag |
| 23:10.53 | Zeal | *baaah |
| 23:10.55 | Zeal | >_< |
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| 23:11.51 | Vonhinten | But the scrolling is only part of the problem. It's the functional priority of it.. it doesn't belong in a sidebar (especially not after Navigation, some ads, popular pages and development sections) |
| 23:12.15 | mrha`` | Hello I need some help figuring mana/spirit for priest based on the wowwiki forumlas |
| 23:12.26 | mrha`` | formulas* |
| 23:13.07 | mrha`` | any simple rule i can follow for 1mana/p5s = so much spirit or is it different from casting and non casting |
| 23:15.34 | Vonhinten | what's the problem with the fomula? |
| 23:15.53 | Vonhinten | formula, that is |
| 23:16.08 | mrha`` | just curious if there is another method of generalizing the calculation |
| 23:16.17 | mrha`` | like a simple rule of thumb |
| 23:16.26 | kaso | iirc the simplest way is that 2 spirit is about 1mana5 when not casting off, roughly |
| 23:16.36 | mrha`` | instead of always having to break out a calculator lol |
| 23:17.02 | mrha`` | how about when casting |
| 23:17.11 | kaso | depends on talents |
| 23:17.27 | mrha`` | i see so factoring meditation for a priest |
| 23:17.55 | Vonhinten | The math in that page is a little overcomplicated and underexplained |
| 23:18.26 | mrha`` | ok |
| 23:18.58 | kaso | when not casting its 1.6 spirit == 1mana5 when casting it its like 10.7 spirit == 1mana5 |
| 23:19.33 | mrha`` | ty |
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| 23:22.05 | Vonhinten | Tekkub, you a wowwiki website admin? |
| 23:22.22 | Tekkub | depends... |
| 23:23.01 | Vonhinten | I was just griping about the location of the google search on the main page... |
| 23:23.10 | Vonhinten | wanted to gripe to someone who can do something about it |
| 23:23.32 | Tekkub | I can't |
| 23:23.41 | Tekkub | I do believe that's in the config files |
| 23:23.47 | Tekkub | which I don't have access to |
| 23:24.24 | Vonhinten | who does? and how would I get them to consider changing it... |
| 23:26.35 | Zeal | lol |
| 23:26.48 | Zeal | vlad_ and sancus i beleive. |
| 23:27.12 | Zeal | basically, it would be nice if the first google ads box wasn't above the navigation and search :P |
| 23:28.36 | Zeal | nav, search, dev, toolbox, google ad, pop pages, google ad. makes more sense imo. |
| 23:28.51 | Vonhinten | In my opinion it needs to be a big input box labled "Search: " right below the giant gold WOWWIKI, right above the General Info section |
| 23:29.01 | Zeal | i never use the toolbox as it's too far down, easier for me to type the links |
| 23:29.08 | Vonhinten | (honestly, do people actually use the General Info section?) |
| 23:29.19 | Zeal | no.. search should not be before the nav : / |
| 23:29.31 | Tekkub | I use the API links |
| 23:29.34 | Vonhinten | Search is the most important feature on this site |
| 23:29.40 | Vonhinten | This is a giant database |
| 23:29.40 | Zeal | if my user's are searching my site, i know my nav suchs, lol. |
| 23:29.48 | Zeal | yeah, but it shouldn't be :P |
| 23:29.59 | Zeal | *sucks |
| 23:30.08 | Zeal | *users |
| 23:30.20 | Vonhinten | You've got the wrong idea. Navigation is a waste of time. People know what they want to find, they just need to get at it |
| 23:30.49 | Vonhinten | Navigation is for people that don't know what they want to find |
| 23:31.01 | Vonhinten | and there are far fewer of those that will visit this site |
| 23:31.47 | Vonhinten | (which is why I asked the question about the general info section... who really would use that?) |
| 23:32.03 | Vonhinten | my guess is, people that didn't immediate scroll down and see the search box.. lol |
| 23:34.15 | Zeal | god.. really get to see how messy a system is when you start going through the templates.. |
| 23:35.00 | Vonhinten | I'm a developer working with code that's been alive for over a decade... |
| 23:35.14 | Vonhinten | I know exactly what you mean, only on a millions of lines of code scale.. |
| 23:38.29 | MatthewS | search doesn't always work right, navigation is useful? |
| 23:39.35 | Vonhinten | if you're rolling your own website, and your search system sucks.. I might agree with that :) |
| 23:39.42 | Vonhinten | But with a google engine? no way |
| 23:39.55 | MatthewS | yes, way |
| 23:40.06 | MatthewS | what if blizz adopts something that is a google stopword? |
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| 23:41.57 | Vonhinten | well, you have a point, I should restate that I don't think navigation is totally useless |
| 23:42.00 | Zeal | oddly i get better results doing a site search on google than i do with the wowwiki google search :S |
| 23:42.03 | Vonhinten | just not in the majority case |
| 23:42.07 | Zeal | sometimes.. |
| 23:42.38 | Vonhinten | But, it'll be pretty unlikely that there would be a stopword popular enough to cause a problem |
| 23:42.39 | MatthewS | ok, and i just scrolled back and saw your point about the placement of the search box |
| 23:42.47 | MatthewS | which i would agree should be moved |
| 23:43.25 | MatthewS | but the community may be placing navigation there to encourage people to surf that site instead of treating it as a 'to be scanned quickly' db of results |
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| 23:44.01 | MatthewS | pure conjecture though |
| 23:44.29 | MatthewS | i am not in any way affiliated with wowwiki except that i use the site |
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| 23:44.58 | Vonhinten | right, and they may also be forcing you to look down at 2 different google ads before you see the search box... |
| 23:45.18 | Vonhinten | and if that's what they want to do... so be it |
| 23:45.53 | Vonhinten | I just wanted to bring it up as an issue. The user experience is slower and more annoying than it needs to be for most |
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| 23:47.44 | Vonhinten | I've found myself modifying the URL rather than heading for the search box |
| 23:49.07 | Vonhinten | such as: /Argent_Dawn voila, and I didn't have to scroll |
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| 23:49.48 | Gryphen | the search position has been brought up several times before |
| 23:50.01 | Vonhinten | I can imagine |
| 23:51.08 | Vonhinten | One day, I'll get on a soapbox and it'll do some good... |
| 23:51.18 | Gryphen | wont be the first person |
| 23:51.20 | Vonhinten | Work day's over now, see yas |
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