| 00:01.33 | Zeal | oh ffs.. sites going down when i need them.. |
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| 00:09.31 | Bagginsww | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.52 | Bagginsww | I lost about 100-200 damage off my imp frostbolt... |
| 00:10.03 | Hobinheim | yeah wtf kinda nerf is that. it was written weird |
| 00:10.10 | Hobinheim | every point in imp frost makes your stat go downward? |
| 00:10.48 | kaso | its understandable tbh, what with blizzard's current war on scaling |
| 00:12.09 | Hobinheim | goon invasion! |
| 00:12.18 | Hobinheim | kaso, are you on awkdingoon? |
| 00:13.03 | kaso | awkdingoon? im sorry? |
| 00:14.35 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Socket done |
| 00:14.57 | kaso | Im Kaso surprsingly |
| 00:15.07 | Hobinheim | auchindoun |
| 00:15.11 | Hobinheim | new pvp east |
| 00:20.11 | Bagginsww | yah hobin it seems that if you have 5/5 that's what -10% damage? |
| 00:20.15 | voidvector | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:VoidvectorBot/Bot_Guide |
| 00:21.57 | Bagginsww | reading an article on ign, where they say it might be better to drop the talent |
| 00:22.13 | Bagginsww | cause it apparently is worse for more +damage equipment you wear |
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| 00:22.46 | Bagginsww | someone was telling me that some people are doing worse damage than they did at 60 |
| 00:22.54 | voidvector | mage got a buff also, instant CS |
| 00:23.13 | Bagginsww | what no more cooldown? |
| 00:23.15 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, i just noticed <imagelink></imagelink> does not register under "whatlinkshere" |
| 00:23.22 | Bagginsww | cause it was always instant |
| 00:23.28 | Hobinheim | zeal, that's neat, haha |
| 00:23.43 | Bagginsww | hmm no cooldown |
| 00:23.49 | Bagginsww | ok that I can live with |
| 00:23.53 | Hobinheim | oh well commuting home now |
| 00:23.54 | Hobinheim | later |
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| 00:23.56 | voidvector | no global cooldown |
| 00:24.05 | Bagginsww | and mana shield now absorbs magical damage |
| 00:24.09 | Zeal | and some genious decided to use all sockets as imagelinks, not [[Image:]] |
| 00:24.10 | Bagginsww | that's not bad |
| 00:25.01 | voidvector | oh, what links here for images is broken, it doesn't list all the pages |
| 00:25.07 | Zeal | lo Bagginsww btw :P |
| 00:25.53 | voidvector | i think it can only list a finite number of pages |
| 00:26.16 | Zeal | hm? |
| 00:26.20 | Bagginsww | ahh so CS has a cooldown but it doesn't cause GCD |
| 00:27.28 | voidvector | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Alliance_15.gif <-- is linked by all pages that uses {{questlong|Alliance}}, but it doesn't show all of them |
| 00:27.55 | Zeal | yeah, this has nothing to do with amount |
| 00:28.13 | Zeal | there is 0 |
| 00:28.22 | Zeal | because they are all using imagelink tags |
| 00:28.30 | Zeal | when they shouldn't be |
| 00:29.19 | voidvector | i guess it's reasonable, no way of telling |
| 00:32.26 | voidvector | we should edit {{alliance icon small}} to something like <imagelink>blah|Alliance</imagelink>, so when you click on the image it links you to alliance page instead |
| 00:33.34 | Zeal | yeah, i consider that annoying an unnecessary tbh. |
| 00:34.07 | Zeal | if i click the icon, i want to go to the icon's page, not the the page the icon is being used in at that time. |
| 00:34.19 | Zeal | suck linking should be left to the text. |
| 00:34.36 | Zeal | and always remember to add alt tags to images ;) |
| 00:35.23 | Zeal | i hate the stupid thumbnail icon the default wiki image syntax uses |
| 00:35.46 | Zeal | there is no need for it, you need only click the image, and its already obvious when something is thumbnailed. |
| 00:38.03 | voidvector | for non-contributor, a image link is useless. |
| 00:38.12 | voidvector | an* |
| 00:38.50 | Zeal | hardly |
| 00:40.02 | Zeal | for a non-contributer, the image link takes you to thei mage's page, with an explanation (which is severly lacking on images on wowwiki and i'm getting sick of seeing people removing them at times *slaps Tusva*) and allows you to see it at full size. |
| 00:40.38 | Zeal | i get sick of the wowwiki image on the main page taking me to about, and then clicking it on the about page and having it send me back to the main page |
| 00:40.46 | voidvector | that's for regular images, i am talking about inline images, like alliance/horde icons |
| 00:41.05 | Zeal | the onyl way to get to thei mages page is to copy the filename and type out the url, or get it from the source code.. |
| 00:41.13 | Zeal | it's not desriable to relink images. |
| 00:41.30 | Zeal | from any standpoint |
| 00:41.57 | Zeal | if you wish to provide a link to something, then there will be text next to thei mage. |
| 00:42.00 | Zeal | *the image. |
| 00:42.11 | Zeal | for which you can do it with. |
| 00:42.57 | voidvector | i disagree |
| 00:43.00 | voidvector | look at windows icon |
| 00:43.09 | voidvector | when you click on an icon, you don't go to the icon file |
| 00:43.18 | voidvector | you open the application |
| 00:43.39 | Zeal | we're not running an OS here.. |
| 00:43.46 | Zeal | that's a completely different situation |
| 00:44.01 | voidvector | it serve the same purpose: navigation |
| 00:44.12 | Zeal | not realy |
| 00:44.41 | voidvector | i do agree with you on big images |
| 00:44.44 | Zeal | an os can provide a context menu to gain access to the icon file, a wiki can;t |
| 00:45.02 | Zeal | *can't if you relink it. |
| 00:45.22 | Zeal | default wiki functionality should be left alone. |
| 00:46.10 | voidvector | don't feel like arguing w/you on preferences |
| 00:47.19 | Zeal | if you want a shortcut, you link the text. in the case of external images however (which is really the only purpose of imagelink) it makes sense for the image to be linked, as the image's link is already accessable by a context menu in browers, so not functionality lost. |
| 00:47.26 | Zeal | rofl |
| 00:48.40 | voidvector | do you have javascript turned on for watchlist? |
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| 00:51.58 | voidvector | well if you do, you see those triangle that allow you to collapse different contributions to the same pages. When you click on those triangle, you don't go to the triangle image page, it simply serves a function. |
| 00:52.03 | P|Lozzano | Hey all xP |
| 00:53.04 | Zeal | how would i enable this functionality? as i don't have it :P |
| 00:53.10 | Zeal | lo P|Lozzano |
| 00:54.18 | voidvector | preferences -> watchlist -> Expand watchlist to show all applicable changes |
| 00:54.43 | Zeal | actually, nope that setting deosn;t exist :S |
| 00:54.55 | Zeal | oddly though, a similar sonding one exists in recent changes settings |
| 00:55.01 | Zeal | which also effects the watchlist |
| 00:55.05 | Zeal | gg mediawiki |
| 00:55.23 | voidvector | your account is messed up |
| 00:55.39 | voidvector | must be all caused by the coding you done |
| 00:55.44 | voidvector | must be caused by all the coding you done |
| 00:56.12 | Zeal | and fyi voidvector, that image is not an image on the wiki, it is for the software. there is no meta deta or use on the wiki for it to have a page to link to, thus it would never link to it's page. |
| 00:56.38 | Zeal | and no, no coding thanks |
| 00:56.38 | Zeal | it's not there |
| 00:56.38 | Zeal | my account is fine : / |
| 00:56.39 | voidvector | gtg |
| 00:56.41 | voidvector | zg run |
| 00:56.53 | Zeal | gl hf |
| 00:58.28 | Zeal | urgh.. that functionality woulb be nice, if it wasn't presented so horribly.. sticking to not using it >_o; |
| 00:59.32 | P|Lozzano | 0o |
| 00:59.43 | P|Lozzano | waht functionality are we talking abouts?= |
| 01:00.21 | Zeal | and jsut for the record "preferences -> watchlist -> Expand watchlist to show all applicable changes" exists, but it does not do what he described, i've had that enabled all along. its "preferences>recent changes>enhanced recent changes (javascript)" that does it |
| 01:00.41 | Zeal | collapsable watchlist and recent changes. |
| 01:01.18 | P|Lozzano | i see |
| 01:01.20 | Karrion | I think you need both on for it to do it for watchlist |
| 01:01.24 | P|Lozzano | DANG |
| 01:01.35 | P|Lozzano | Just got owned by the Son of Gruul |
| 01:01.40 | P|Lozzano | while i was IRCing |
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| 01:06.14 | Zeal | yeah Karrion, that's what i was trying to say : / |
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| 01:06.35 | Zeal | it's rather stupid in that sense, and misleading. |
| 01:07.49 | Karrion | yeah mediawiki's prefs are a bit dodgy... lol I just discovered I hadn't updated my email address in over a year >.> |
| 01:12.58 | Zeal | lol |
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| 01:14.04 | P|Lozzano | How do i gain rep with the Kurenai? |
| 01:14.15 | kaso | You Kill ogres |
| 01:14.17 | P|Lozzano | (Ally faction in Nagrand) |
| 01:14.22 | P|Lozzano | Ok, thanks :) |
| 01:14.24 | kaso | and do quests |
| 01:14.48 | kaso | The orges give rep per kill and also drop beads that give rep for handing in |
| 01:14.54 | kaso | and the quets give shitloads |
| 01:16.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | gn! |
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| 01:52.50 | Deathface | Hey, |
| 01:52.56 | Deathface | anyone else stuck on Authenticating right now? |
| 01:52.59 | Deathface | cntlog onto wow |
| 01:53.03 | Deathface | cant log on* |
| 01:53.14 | kahdgarxi | Deathface- yes, the authentication servers are currently down. |
| 01:53.23 | Deathface | blah :| |
| 01:53.28 | kahdgarxi | no kidding |
| 01:53.29 | Deathface | thanks for the response |
| 01:54.22 | AligmaHunter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=69804579&sid=1&pageNo=3 |
| 01:57.57 | AligmaHunter | Connected! |
| 01:59.07 | kahdgarxi | lies! |
| 01:59.31 | kahdgarxi | *watches the auth server crash again as 1 million people try to connect all at one* |
| 01:59.38 | kahdgarxi | s/one/once/ |
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| 02:08.06 | sancus | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.17 | sancus | ^^ IGN can't do math, news at 11 |
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| 02:25.10 | Zeal | rofl sancus, so true. |
| 02:25.15 | Zeal | anyways, nn all |
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| 04:02.28 | Bagginsww | zeal wasn't an article on IGN, but forums somewhere |
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| 04:09.34 | voidvector | an admin need to delete this http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Nightelves-160x.jpg |
| 04:10.01 | voidvector | its a corrupted image |
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| 06:25.27 | Industrial | are there class racial pages? |
| 06:26.01 | Industrial | nm |
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| 06:47.43 | LucidFox | why is the enGB patch 2.0.6 much larger than the enUS one? |
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| 08:09.51 | {SIC} | shitty that out SW:P has been reduced :S |
| 08:10.15 | {SIC} | our* |
| 09:10.05 | LucidFox | what's SW:P? |
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| 09:35.11 | JamieSI | Hello |
| 09:35.13 | JamieSI | Kickburn |
| 09:35.15 | JamieSI | Kirkburn, you here? |
| 09:36.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Morning |
| 09:36.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Good timing |
| 09:37.06 | Kirkburn | LucidFox, Shadow Word:Pain |
| 09:37.13 | LucidFox | ah |
| 09:37.21 | Kirkburn | As to why the 2.0.6 patch is larger, no idea |
| 09:37.48 | JamieSI | hey |
| 09:37.50 | JamieSI | just got a problem |
| 09:37.53 | Kirkburn | How much larger? |
| 09:38.03 | JamieSI | you told me off for moving my patch because other people keeps moving theres! |
| 09:38.09 | JamieSI | and moving mine down all the time |
| 09:38.20 | JamieSI | on the mirror lists when |
| 09:38.22 | JamieSI | half the time |
| 09:38.27 | JamieSI | their downloads don't even work |
| 09:38.32 | JamieSI | because I've tested them |
| 09:38.36 | JamieSI | VGPro is good though |
| 09:39.03 | JamieSI | and some of those sites have the worst naviagation |
| 09:39.09 | Kirkburn | Annoying isn't it :/ |
| 09:39.12 | JamieSI | on download mirrors page I'm talking about |
| 09:39.34 | JamieSI | tis annoying and so many people use the Wiki for the patches |
| 09:39.42 | Kirkburn | I can understand that |
| 09:39.56 | JamieSI | with your permission I can keep it clean |
| 09:40.02 | JamieSI | and I would play very fairly |
| 09:40.04 | Kirkburn | As long as it doesn't get to edit-warry I won't do anything |
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| 09:40.24 | Kirkburn | Hopefully the note at the top should put most movers off |
| 09:40.25 | JamieSI | because trust, a lot of those mirrors on download get 404 |
| 09:40.36 | Kirkburn | If they do, by all means remove them |
| 09:41.27 | JamieSI | ok |
| 09:44.07 | Kirkburn | Woah 60 changes |
| 09:46.57 | JamieSI | I can't get into wow since I've updated |
| 09:46.59 | JamieSI | to 2.06 |
| 09:47.01 | JamieSI | it says |
| 09:47.06 | JamieSI | can't detect version |
| 09:47.08 | JamieSI | which sucks |
| 09:47.45 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 09:48.01 | JamieSI | guess I gotta reinstall? :p |
| 09:48.05 | JamieSI | I just got it yesterday too |
| 09:48.16 | JamieSI | and those damn patches take ages with the blizz downloader |
| 09:48.19 | JamieSI | as im on a router |
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| 09:54.38 | dotted | then open the ports :p |
| 09:56.02 | Apollozeus | open the gates! |
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| 09:56.25 | Apollozeus | man.. |
| 09:56.34 | Kirkburn | Hullo |
| 09:56.40 | Apollozeus | Azuremyst Isle and Bloodmyst Isle are nice questing zones |
| 09:56.44 | Adys | elloes |
| 09:57.18 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Transmute-Rotation_Print.png |
| 09:57.31 | Adys | dont you love ppl writing "I made it myself" on their articles/images? |
| 09:58.17 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Farseer%27s_Band |
| 09:58.22 | Adys | ok lets see |
| 09:58.52 | sancus | dont all images submitted to wowwiki get changed to whatever the wiki's license is |
| 09:58.55 | Adys | Some criticism |
| 09:59.02 | Adys | Vendor / Sell is not accurate |
| 09:59.07 | JamieSI | Dotted |
| 09:59.10 | JamieSI | Apollo |
| 09:59.15 | JamieSI | I'm a router noob |
| 09:59.18 | Adys | Equip effects are not linked |
| 09:59.20 | JamieSI | I don't get how to open the ports |
| 09:59.25 | JamieSI | all this hacking marlarky |
| 09:59.31 | JamieSI | with my BT damn router |
| 09:59.33 | Adys | Reputation: Thrallmar Honored should look like it is in game imo |
| 09:59.40 | Apollozeus | I don't know a lot about routers either |
| 09:59.42 | Apollozeus | >_> |
| 09:59.53 | Apollozeus | you gotta try dotted :p |
| 10:00.02 | Adys | besides i like it... |
| 10:00.21 | dotted | I just downloaded the patch at full speed with closed ports, i win. |
| 10:00.32 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/images/archive/4/49/20070124094101%21Nightelves-160x.jpg wtf. |
| 10:00.54 | Adys | make it bigger please |
| 10:01.07 | JamieSI | Dotted |
| 10:01.11 | JamieSI | how do you open ports? :) |
| 10:01.21 | JamieSI | I've got a BT Router 205 |
| 10:01.28 | JamieSI | BT Voyager 205 |
| 10:01.30 | JamieSI | and it stinks |
| 10:01.35 | JamieSI | I can't play ET Anymore :( |
| 10:02.46 | Kirkburn | sancus, yes |
| 10:03.03 | Kirkburn | (assuming the person doesn't specify different, I think) |
| 10:03.29 | dotted | http://corz.org/comms/hardware/router/bt.voyager.205_router.recipes.php <- google is friendly - use it, abbuse it and misuse it |
| 10:03.32 | JamieSI | remote assistance lol |
| 10:03.39 | Kirkburn | Adys, one wonders what exactly he is copyrighting |
| 10:04.10 | Adys | nothing, he can say whatever he wants, an image he made himself and uploads on the wiki is under the wiki's license |
| 10:04.26 | Kirkburn | Adys, with the NE pic, it was photoshopped to add antlers to the guy |
| 10:04.51 | Adys | aye but 5845x3450 is awful :p |
| 10:04.57 | Adys | btw |
| 10:04.59 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Tooltip&action=edit |
| 10:05.03 | Adys | this is awful to edit |
| 10:06.24 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 10:06.46 | Kirkburn | Separate it with |
| 10:06.49 | Kirkburn | <!-- |
| 10:06.51 | Kirkburn | --> |
| 10:07.00 | Adys | I know, im not gonna do that |
| 10:07.06 | Adys | im just trying to find the reputation stuff |
| 10:07.06 | Kirkburn | Awesome :) |
| 10:07.18 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Farseer%27s_Band |
| 10:07.43 | Adys | graphically... |
| 10:07.51 | Adys | I find that the text is too close to the border too |
| 10:07.57 | Adys | but that can be fixed |
| 10:08.02 | Adys | OK... lets see |
| 10:09.13 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:12.35 | Kirkburn | riiight |
| 10:12.52 | Kirkburn | Please ignore freeizgood |
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| 10:13.30 | Adys | lol |
| 10:14.31 | kuinkala | D |
| 10:19.36 | Adys | zeal you there? |
| 10:21.41 | Kirkburn | Small 'z' means afk it seems |
| 10:21.48 | Adys | Yeah it does |
| 10:21.54 | Adys | but never know |
| 10:21.58 | Kirkburn | (i'm not sure how people are supposed to know that?) |
| 10:22.01 | Adys | the "dingdingding" can wake him up ^^ |
| 10:22.12 | Adys | well, its a style, i like it :P |
| 10:22.13 | Kirkburn | zeal zeal zeal zeal zeal zeal |
| 10:22.18 | Adys | lol |
| 10:22.45 | Adys | sigh, 2.0.6 |
| 10:22.51 | Adys | and.. ffs |
| 10:22.57 | Adys | blizzard downloader kthx :/ |
| 10:23.06 | Kirkburn | Awwww, http://www.funnyanimalvideos.com/panda-videos/baby-panda-sneezes/ |
| 10:24.34 | Adys | lol |
| 10:26.17 | Apollozeus | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/01/23/countdown-to-burning-crusade-machinima-contest-winner/ |
| 10:26.19 | Apollozeus | ROFL |
| 10:27.37 | Adys | scary |
| 10:36.28 | Kirkburn | Meanwhile, this is just scary: http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/23/hold-your-wee-for-a-wii-audio-recording/ |
| 10:43.45 | Adys | Calibri? |
| 10:43.57 | Calibri | If you were in the 'wowi-lounge channel, you'd understand |
| 10:44.06 | Calibri | ComicSansMS just arrived |
| 10:44.10 | Adys | oO |
| 10:44.20 | Calibri | "<ComicSansMS> greetings everyone!" |
| 10:44.33 | Adys | lol.. |
| 10:44.37 | Adys | erm |
| 10:46.09 | Kirkburn | yup? |
| 10:49.17 | Adys | nvm :P |
| 10:51.20 | Kowi | lo folks :p |
| 10:52.43 | Kirkburn | hullo |
| 10:52.49 | Adys | elloes |
| 11:00.15 | sancus | kirkburn is a dirty copyright infringer |
| 11:02.49 | Adys | woah |
| 11:03.00 | Adys | the downloader downloaded 7mb in 45 minutes |
| 11:03.11 | Adys | and all of a sudden 11mb in 10 seconds |
| 11:03.14 | Adys | >< |
| 11:03.19 | Kirkburn | Let's see how it goes for me |
| 11:03.32 | Kirkburn | I can download about 200MB in 15mins with the Bliizz downloader |
| 11:03.33 | Adys | well, its still 45 minutes and 10 seconds for 18 mb :P |
| 11:03.41 | Adys | depends on patches for me |
| 11:03.55 | Adys | when i reinstalled the game i downloaded a 400 mb patch in a few mins |
| 11:04.04 | Adys | and the 2.0 patch needed two hours |
| 11:04.14 | Adys | [[{{{faction}}}|<span style="color: #eee;">{{{faction}}}</span>]] |
| 11:04.16 | Adys | erm |
| 11:04.18 | Adys | sec |
| 11:04.32 | Adys | Mages |
| 11:04.32 | Adys | - Each rank of "Improved Fireball" now reduces your spell damage |
| 11:04.32 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.32 | Adys | - Each rank of "Improved Frostbolt" now reduces your spell damage |
| 11:04.32 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.32 | Adys | - "Counterspell" no longer triggers the global cooldown. |
| 11:04.34 | Adys | - "Mana Shield" now absorbs magical damage as well as physical damage. |
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| 11:05.23 | Adys | - The base damage for "Arcane Shot" has been reduced by about 9% and |
| 11:05.23 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.52 | Kirkburn | Today's Penny Arcade :) http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/01/24 |
| 11:06.01 | Kirkburn | Hoi, not so much the pasting please |
| 11:06.26 | Adys | my irc client makes up a new line every pasted return |
| 11:06.31 | Adys | annoying :| |
| 11:06.53 | Kirkburn | Especially when it looks right in the input box :/ |
| 11:07.04 | Adys | LOL at the comic |
| 11:07.52 | Adys | btw |
| 11:07.55 | Adys | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=119073703 |
| 11:08.07 | Adys | if anyone knows anything about that prob |
| 11:09.15 | Kirkburn | Can't reach the page :/ |
| 11:09.44 | Kirkburn | Can't reach the forums at all! |
| 11:10.13 | Adys | yeah its very slow |
| 11:14.40 | Kirkburn | Adys, not heard of it myself |
| 11:16.36 | Kirkburn | Tried running repair? |
| 11:16.47 | Adys | the repair.exe doesnt work |
| 11:17.01 | Adys | but its been a bug running since the beta |
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| 12:06.25 | Kirkburn | Woo, my first draenei sighting |
| 12:25.08 | LucidFox | heh |
| 12:26.14 | LucidFox | there are plenty draenei in NE lands on my realm |
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| 12:51.08 | something | hi |
| 12:51.18 | Kirkburn | Hullo |
| 12:51.22 | something | wow updater can't connect to tracker |
| 12:51.27 | something | so i can't update nor play wow |
| 12:51.57 | something | is there a web download available? |
| 12:51.57 | Kirkburn | Patch mirrors page not good enough for you? :) |
| 12:52.04 | zeal | fucking wiki problem!!! |
| 12:52.11 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 12:52.25 | something | ooh sorry didn't scroll down enough to see that it was on yet :p |
| 12:52.26 | something | tnx! |
| 12:52.29 | zeal | thankgod, it submitted |
| 12:52.34 | Zeal | lo all |
| 12:53.04 | something | i hate wow updater btw, it's always complaining about my firewall (router is set proberly, and firewall too), and it's superslow :( |
| 12:53.08 | something | so thank you wowwiki :D |
| 12:53.14 | Kirkburn | something, :D |
| 12:54.46 | Zeal | @Kirkburn> (i'm not sure how people are supposed to know that?) <-- it's common practice? :S |
| 12:55.05 | Zeal | anyways, Adys, i've made changes to what you did |
| 12:55.08 | Kirkburn | Not seen it anywhere else :) |
| 12:55.11 | Adys | mm? |
| 12:55.31 | Zeal | i've not documented them yet, but there are npc tooltip options there too. |
| 12:55.35 | Zeal | faction being one of them |
| 12:55.45 | Zeal | so i changed the oen you added to rfaction. |
| 12:55.48 | Zeal | *one |
| 12:55.59 | Adys | zeal |
| 12:56.03 | Adys | can you.. erm |
| 12:56.11 | Adys | make the code more readable if poss :p |
| 12:56.33 | Zeal | sadly, nope |
| 12:56.38 | Zeal | blame wiki markup |
| 12:56.38 | Adys | whats the diff beetween faction and rfaction btw? |
| 12:56.50 | Zeal | faction is an npc faction :P |
| 12:57.02 | Adys | and? :p |
| 12:57.07 | Zeal | rfaction is the faction requirement for an item |
| 12:57.12 | Zeal | they conflicted. |
| 12:57.23 | Adys | theres an NPC faction factor for items? |
| 12:57.49 | Zeal | no.. the tooltip is usable for npc's too, not just items :P hopefully add spells to the mix too. |
| 12:57.55 | Adys | aaahhh |
| 12:57.58 | Adys | I get it now |
| 12:58.23 | Adys | hum not sure its a good idea making it usable for both tbh |
| 12:58.26 | Zeal | i just forgot to document all the npc parameters >_o; |
| 13:00.16 | Kirkburn | Zeal, perhaps you feel like telling me why to delete the socket images? |
| 13:00.43 | Kirkburn | Zeal, you can make the wiki readable with <!-- --> surely |
| 13:00.46 | Kirkburn | *code |
| 13:01.18 | Kirkburn | Stick the <!-- at the end of a section, then start a new line with --> |
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| 13:02.24 | Zeal | and have the comments add to the size od the code in all pages that use it? plus not 100% that works |
| 13:02.45 | Zeal | it takes all of two seconds to find what you're looking for, if you can't, search is simply enough. |
| 13:02.58 | Zeal | someone give me an npc name |
| 13:03.14 | Zeal | Kirkburn, i'll try it on my test version in a bit |
| 13:03.18 | Kirkburn | And in answer to my other question? |
| 13:03.34 | Zeal | because they are jpgs and they are screwed up |
| 13:03.44 | Kirkburn | When you mark something to be deleted, give a reason |
| 13:03.53 | Zeal | and i do that how? |
| 13:04.27 | Zeal | fyi Kirkburn, you seem frustrated or something? :s |
| 13:04.32 | Zeal | *btw |
| 13:04.33 | Zeal | meh |
| 13:04.42 | Kirkburn | Like so: http://www.wowwiki.com/Honored/Price |
| 13:04.55 | Kirkburn | Frustrated because it makes my job harder! :) |
| 13:05.51 | Zeal | fair enough, though may i suggest something more useful like say.. {{speeddelete|reason}} ? :P |
| 13:06.07 | Zeal | *speedy |
| 13:06.50 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Sd |
| 13:07.44 | Kirkburn | The two should be merged and it made an optional thing, yes |
| 13:08.08 | Kirkburn | It's not like that because when it was originally made we didn't know - so if you could improve it Zeal, please do =) |
| 13:09.06 | Zeal | fair enough :p |
| 13:09.20 | Zeal | no.. give me an npc name :P |
| 13:09.23 | Zeal | *now |
| 13:09.42 | Zeal | one that preferably isn't a world boss |
| 13:10.59 | Zeal | nvm |
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| 13:12.09 | Kirkburn | "Bob" |
| 13:13.26 | Zeal | oh ffs, i would choose one al lthe sites are lacking full info on.. |
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| 13:19.12 | Zeal | god damn linked icons.. |
| 13:20.11 | Zeal | oh wait.. we still don't have the full size race icons up do we? >_<; |
| 13:23.34 | Kirkburn | Full sized? Character select screen size? |
| 13:24.45 | Zeal | yes |
| 13:25.18 | Kirkburn | Probably not |
| 13:25.28 | Zeal | we need WoW Icons split into Items and UI tbh |
| 13:25.39 | Zeal | so the UI ones are easy to find too |
| 13:27.20 | Kirkburn | UI? |
| 13:27.32 | Kirkburn | Like professions? |
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| 13:30.36 | Zeal | race icons, sockets icons, w/e else there is |
| 13:30.50 | Zeal | pretty much any icon from wow, but not from the icon's folder. |
| 13:30.57 | Zeal | *icons |
| 13:32.49 | Adys | Kirkburn |
| 13:32.51 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Kieraldinho |
| 13:32.56 | Adys | some tard recreated it |
| 13:33.10 | Zeal | the class icons too.. |
| 13:33.22 | Adys | I just redeleted it ill let you take care of the ban |
| 13:33.24 | Zeal | Adys, where are they stored? :P |
| 13:33.35 | Adys | of wah? |
| 13:33.36 | Zeal | the race icon blp |
| 13:33.44 | Zeal | you gave me one before iirc. |
| 13:33.52 | Zeal | but i lost it >_>; |
| 13:34.04 | Adys | lemme see if its still up on my ftp first |
| 13:34.09 | Kirkburn | Adys, done |
| 13:34.13 | Adys | ty |
| 13:34.27 | Adys | http://adys.stools.net/UI-CharacterCreate-Races.png |
| 13:34.35 | Adys | this? |
| 13:36.18 | Zeal | yes |
| 13:36.31 | Zeal | for future reference, any idea where it is? :P |
| 13:37.13 | Zeal | nvm, got it |
| 13:43.04 | fLUx-- | hey people.. ;) |
| 13:45.32 | kuinkala | gosh my tongue hurts like hell |
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| 13:49.30 | Kirkburn | kuinkala, it's so hard not to comment ... |
| 13:49.55 | fLUx-- | f-ing hell, whats wrong with this update?! |
| 13:50.04 | fLUx-- | Not downloading at all! :( |
| 13:50.27 | Kirkburn | patch mirrors? |
| 13:53.21 | Zeal | how should i name these in regards to Night Elves and Blood Elves? Bloodelf or BloodElf? etc :S |
| 13:53.43 | fLUx-- | Ah yeh, lol, thanks Kirk.....downloading now! :D |
| 13:54.05 | fLUx-- | How you mean Zeal? |
| 13:54.24 | Zeal | UI-CharacterCreate-Races_Nightelf-Female or UI-CharacterCreate-Races_NightElf-Female ? |
| 13:54.39 | Kirkburn | capitalise |
| 13:54.46 | fLUx-- | Nightelf looks better |
| 13:54.46 | Zeal | kk |
| 13:54.55 | Zeal | conflict! lol |
| 13:55.01 | fLUx-- | but, what difference does it make?! lo |
| 13:55.03 | fLUx-- | *lol |
| 13:55.27 | Zeal | i'll go capital |
| 13:55.33 | Zeal | as it's what blizz have been doing afaik |
| 13:55.38 | Kirkburn | If the rest of it uses capitals... |
| 13:55.41 | Qultak | Go for obscure abbreviations ala thottbot, that way nobody will be happy! |
| 13:55.51 | fLUx-- | whats it for anyway? |
| 13:57.02 | Zeal | the race icons |
| 13:57.03 | kuinkala | Kirkburn: what you mean about commenting? :p |
| 13:57.04 | Zeal | 64x64 |
| 13:57.20 | Kirkburn | Why is your tongue to tired? |
| 13:57.25 | fLUx-- | oh kk |
| 13:57.33 | Kirkburn | Hurting, even |
| 13:57.42 | Zeal | do we need gender, class and faction icons too? |
| 13:57.45 | kuinkala | i took a tongue piercing yesterday |
| 13:57.52 | Kirkburn | :/ |
| 13:58.05 | fLUx-- | LOL, does anyone read the EULAs? |
| 13:58.10 | Kirkburn | Are you lisping now? :) |
| 13:58.10 | kuinkala | when they did it, it didnt hurt at all but now its pain |
| 13:58.23 | Kirkburn | fLUx--, ? |
| 13:59.25 | fLUx-- | Just read parts of it.....apparently sites like http://thottbot.com which mines for the info in game is not allowed....ummm |
| 13:59.34 | Kirkburn | yes, it's true |
| 13:59.44 | Kirkburn | Wait, actually not quite |
| 14:00.07 | Kirkburn | Datamining is taking from directly from the files, the vast majority of thottbot is from an addon's saved variables which is fine |
| 14:00.34 | fLUx-- | oh right |
| 14:00.50 | fLUx-- | thottbot sux at the moment anyway.....the searches are too slow lol |
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| 14:01.11 | fLUx-- | well, the whole site is right now |
| 14:01.11 | Tepetkhet | hi |
| 14:01.22 | fLUx-- | hey |
| 14:01.39 | Qultak | Yea, well, tried EU updating right now? Been stuck at 256kb downloaded for 10 mins =) |
| 14:02.09 | Tepetkhet | US patch was the same way. |
| 14:02.13 | Qultak | Not to mention the official EU Blizzard forums, hehe. |
| 14:02.15 | fLUx-- | http://trancy.iextreme.org:81/~patches/patches/wow/enGB/206/WoW-2.0.5.6320-to-2.0.6.6337-enGB-patch.exe |
| 14:02.22 | fLUx-- | I just downloaded that |
| 14:02.25 | fLUx-- | works fine |
| 14:02.42 | Kirkburn | Yup, thottbot can't cope with the TBC load |
| 14:02.47 | fLUx-- | downloaded and installed before the offical patch got to 10% lol |
| 14:02.50 | Qultak | Well, do you trust that source, flux? |
| 14:02.52 | fLUx-- | oh, that why huh? |
| 14:02.59 | fLUx-- | http://www.patchitbaby.com/games/download/1?version=2.0.5+-+2.0.6#enGB |
| 14:03.03 | fLUx-- | its off their |
| 14:03.20 | fLUx-- | and somebody here runs patchitbaby....so yeh, its trusted |
| 14:03.48 | fLUx-- | acctully, thats why thottbot worked fine before TBC... :( grhh |
| 14:03.55 | fLUx-- | anyhow, gonna play, cyas |
| 14:04.12 | Qultak | I just get twitchy downloading .exe from 3rd-party sites, is all =) |
| 14:04.18 | Zeal | oh ffs.. they've screwed up sizes for class icons.. |
| 14:05.02 | Tepetkhet | Aw, man. Why did they have to put bacon in this broccoli rabe?? |
| 14:08.57 | fLUx-- | wheres my pets happiness bar? |
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| 14:12.59 | Tuqui-tuqui | I demand a recount! |
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| 14:15.11 | Tekkub | do we have a move or merge flag template? |
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| 14:19.06 | Tekkub | do we have a move/merge tag (again) :P |
| 14:21.17 | Zeal | ok, uploading new icons |
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| 14:30.45 | Kirkburn | {{merge}} and {{move}} |
| 14:30.53 | Kirkburn | Why the hell I got disconnected then I have no idea |
| 14:31.01 | Kirkburn | I'm now stuck loading |
| 14:31.30 | Tekkub | thanks kirk |
| 14:42.14 | Zeal | slowwiki.com |
| 14:51.01 | sancus | seems fine to me |
| 14:51.43 | Zeal | lol? |
| 14:51.47 | Zeal | you must be kidding |
| 14:52.01 | Zeal | its slow and lots of "wowwiki has a problem" it's been like that since the move : / |
| 14:52.56 | sancus | what move |
| 14:53.28 | Zeal | vlad_ moved it to a new server afaik |
| 14:53.59 | sancus | Oh, you're talking about that, that was a while ago |
| 14:54.13 | sancus | and um, I find it al ittle hard to believe that moving from a terrible machine to a much more powerful one slowed things down ;) |
| 14:54.20 | sancus | The ever-increasing traffic might've, though! |
| 14:54.38 | Tepetkhet | Wow. |
| 14:54.44 | Tepetkhet | I wonder how big my /usr/ports was... |
| 14:54.51 | sancus | And no, I'm not kidding, wiki seems fine to me at the moment, but I'm not poking through it in detail |
| 14:55.25 | sancus | It's certainly handling the BC explosion with a lot better performance than Allakhazam or Thottbot :P |
| 14:55.53 | equiraptor | Heh, ain't that the truth. |
| 14:56.11 | Zeal | dunno abotu the traffic, but these issues have certainly been since the move. |
| 14:56.21 | Zeal | if that was the cause or not i don't know |
| 14:56.25 | Zeal | but it's been since then. |
| 14:56.40 | sancus | The RAM was just quadrupled |
| 14:56.48 | sancus | however, traffic has spiked quite significantly since BC's release |
| 14:57.11 | Zeal | "wowwiki has a problem" used to crop up 1/100 page loads. since the move, its like 1/10 |
| 14:57.32 | Zeal | and i knwo there was some major db issue vlad_ has to sort out after the move. |
| 14:57.46 | Zeal | *had |
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| 15:00.02 | Zeal | hey Hobinheim |
| 15:00.38 | Hobinheim | hiyo |
| 15:07.04 | Hobinheim | i wonder if void vector's bot is like... i dunno, causing errors? |
| 15:07.18 | Hobinheim | just going off of kirk's comment on his talk page |
| 15:07.34 | Hobinheim | i wanna err on the side of probably not. but throttling is always nice |
| 15:07.45 | Kirkburn | It is throttled |
| 15:08.00 | Kirkburn | 2 edits/minute now |
| 15:08.17 | Hobinheim | how do you know |
| 15:08.24 | Kirkburn | he told us =) |
| 15:08.32 | Kirkburn | He was on IRC |
| 15:08.34 | Hobinheim | oh |
| 15:08.39 | Hobinheim | i never see a void on here |
| 15:08.56 | Kirkburn | He'll be back I;m sure |
| 15:09.08 | Hobinheim | vvbot has beat hobinbot in edits... :shakefist: |
| 15:09.14 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 15:09.37 | Adys | lol |
| 15:09.45 | Kirkburn | What does hobinbot do atm? |
| 15:09.57 | Adys | crying in a corner :p |
| 15:10.13 | Hobinheim | what really gets me is that we still get wiki errors even if no one is editing a large template |
| 15:10.25 | Zeal | yuup : / |
| 15:10.31 | Hobinheim | and no, vvbot is currently not throttled to two edits per minute, as the RC log suggests |
| 15:10.45 | Hobinheim | hobinbot is doing nothing |
| 15:10.49 | Tepetkhet | I think allakhazam added some extra graphics stuff before the expansion...stupid pop-up loading bars on mouseover. |
| 15:10.55 | Tepetkhet | I think that was a mistake. |
| 15:10.56 | Hobinheim | his last project was to clean up the mess i made upgrading the ques tbox |
| 15:11.05 | Hobinheim | which i'm still not done with |
| 15:11.11 | Tepetkhet | Sure, they look nice...on a fast computer/connection. |
| 15:11.23 | jrr | Tepetkhet: which one must have to play wow |
| 15:11.38 | Tepetkhet | jrr: But I don't usually surf from the computer I use to play WoW. |
| 15:11.41 | Kirkburn | Ouch you're right |
| 15:11.47 | Tepetkhet | Try to avoid it as much as possible. |
| 15:11.52 | Kirkburn | He must have accidentaly turned off throttling |
| 15:12.03 | Kirkburn | *accidently |
| 15:12.15 | Tepetkhet | About the only time I open a browser is to DL an updated addon. |
| 15:12.19 | Hobinheim | or restarted a new bot instance w/o a throttling switch |
| 15:12.28 | Hobinheim | i actually don't use the wiki py bot |
| 15:12.34 | Hobinheim | part cuz i don't know that much python |
| 15:13.05 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim, can you leave VV a msg please :) |
| 15:13.25 | Hobinheim | hmm.... |
| 15:13.26 | Hobinheim | i did |
| 15:13.37 | Hobinheim | uhh... my bot also did way more than 2 edits per minute |
| 15:13.42 | Hobinheim | but i've never noticed the can't edit errors |
| 15:13.54 | Hobinheim | weird... |
| 15:14.07 | Zeal | well the 64x64 race, class, gender and faction icons are now up and categorized :) |
| 15:14.08 | Hobinheim | like maybe something in the recent upgrade made the wiki more unstable? |
| 15:14.12 | Hobinheim | that doesn't make any sense... =( |
| 15:14.16 | Hobinheim | zeal, i see that. nice icons |
| 15:14.21 | Hobinheim | even though the blood elf male looks retarded |
| 15:14.34 | Zeal | lol |
| 15:14.48 | Kirkburn | In any case, when using bots, please throttle them |
| 15:14.52 | Hobinheim | brb restarting |
| 15:15.02 | Hobinheim | throttling is for wussies =P |
| 15:17.49 | Tepetkhet | I actually bought that BC guide book... |
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| 15:18.29 | Zeal | lol |
| 15:18.32 | Tepetkhet | I spent part of yesterday while our DS3 was down (fibre cut, apparently) photocopying quests in it so I could scribble on them and check them off. |
| 15:19.12 | Zeal | lol |
| 15:19.43 | Zeal | it's liek the technology dark ages when the net goes down :P |
| 15:20.03 | Tepetkhet | I still like paper to scribble on. |
| 15:20.22 | Tepetkhet | It's like my own personal wiki. |
| 15:20.23 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 15:21.38 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 15:21.56 | Tepetkhet | But nobody can revert my changes. |
| 15:21.58 | Tepetkhet | muahaha |
| 15:22.02 | Tepetkhet | Well |
| 15:22.05 | Tepetkhet | Not without whiteout. |
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| 15:23.03 | Hobinheim | i can't write a fancy guide on eversong woods on paper |
| 15:23.14 | Hobinheim | and pencil scribble isn't hyper either |
| 15:23.25 | Tepetkhet | Sure it is! |
| 15:23.37 | Hobinheim | crumple it up.... the ideas are RIGHTNEXTTOEACHOTHER! |
| 15:24.54 | Hobinheim | Sean Connery hyperlinks with your mother. Hiyo! |
| 15:24.59 | Hobinheim | infobot, hiyo! |
| 15:25.18 | Kirkburn | No wonder the wiki is slow if it's continually being edited :P |
| 15:25.23 | Tepetkhet | Or is it Deckard Cain? |
| 15:25.26 | Kirkburn | Look at this! http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&hidebots=0&limit=500 |
| 15:25.32 | Tepetkhet | Shtay a while, and lishen! |
| 15:25.51 | Hobinheim | vv needs a time out |
| 15:25.51 | Kirkburn | 500 changes in the last hour |
| 15:25.51 | Hobinheim | now i know how ad is feels |
| 15:25.52 | Kirkburn | Tepetkhet, hehe |
| 15:25.57 | Hobinheim | i'm not typing out your name goddamit |
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| 15:26.54 | Hobinheim | ok so back to work.... |
| 15:27.03 | Hobinheim | i wonder if i should set up a stupid alert thing for me |
| 15:27.05 | Hobinheim | so i can be trendy |
| 15:27.11 | Hobinheim | kirk, do yo have an alert set up for your name? |
| 15:27.29 | Hobinheim | like if anyone talks about me or hobbits, i'll be sure to know.... |
| 15:27.35 | Kirkburn | yes |
| 15:27.49 | Kirkburn | It highlights on: |
| 15:27.53 | Tepetkhet | Is it just me, or did they really do their best to make the blood elf male promo pics look like strung out mana junkies instead of the self-centered and effeminate creatures they ended up being? |
| 15:28.04 | Kirkburn | ClearFont,clear font,clearfont2,kirk,CF2,CF as well as my name |
| 15:28.25 | Tepetkhet | Because honestly, every time I see the Burning Crusade promo art with that male blood elf on it, I cringe. |
| 15:28.28 | Hobinheim | Tepetkhet, yeah.. |
| 15:28.31 | Tepetkhet | I think he's going to steal my blue bars. |
| 15:28.39 | Hobinheim | they should have just focused on the FAAABULOUS demographic |
| 15:28.41 | Hobinheim | instead of the crack heads |
| 15:28.50 | Tepetkhet | hehehe |
| 15:29.07 | Tepetkhet | Actually, I kinda wish they would have had a dishevelled hair option. |
| 15:29.16 | Tepetkhet | With hollow eyes. |
| 15:29.23 | Tepetkhet | And an emaciated body form. |
| 15:29.28 | Hobinheim | testing hob |
| 15:29.37 | Hobinheim | testing hobby |
| 15:29.45 | Hobinheim | like a wretched? |
| 15:30.03 | Tepetkhet | yeah |
| 15:30.05 | Tepetkhet | Like that. |
| 15:30.41 | Hobinheim | testing hob |
| 15:30.46 | Tekkub | oh god, what a fucking massacure (sp?) |
| 15:30.47 | Hobinheim | wow that is really obnoxious... |
| 15:30.56 | Tekkub | Powerpoint needs to be outlawed |
| 15:31.17 | Hobinheim | testing hob |
| 15:31.28 | Tekkub | all I see is put it in full screen, that backgorund is too busy |
| 15:31.29 | Tepetkhet | "Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change...the courage to change the things I can...and the wisdom to-- d'oh, just GIMME SOME MAGIC!" |
| 15:31.32 | Tekkub | can't read text... |
| 15:31.40 | Tekkub | that slide's worthless.. |
| 15:31.42 | Hobinheim | testing hob... |
| 15:31.48 | Tekkub | oh look, he crashed his computer... |
| 15:32.00 | Hobinheim | great, now i have a really annoying box to grab my attn |
| 15:32.04 | Tekkub | oh dang, it's back |
| 15:32.06 | Hobinheim | feel free to tag me as i go back to work |
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| 15:32.12 | Tepetkhet | Hobinheim: tag |
| 15:32.14 | Tepetkhet | You're it. |
| 15:32.14 | Kirkburn | Powerpoint 2007 is excellent (the default designs are actually good), but previous ones ... ugh |
| 15:32.29 | Tekkub | these ain't default designs |
| 15:32.36 | Tekkub | they're pictures of trucks :P |
| 15:32.42 | Tepetkhet | Oh, and PowerPointless can DiaF, too. |
| 15:33.28 | Tepetkhet | For some reason, people think that just because one MS Office product created it, another Office product can send it through e-mail. |
| 15:33.34 | Tepetkhet | Over their ISP's SMTP server. |
| 15:33.39 | Tepetkhet | All 50MB of it. |
| 15:33.49 | Hobinheim | hmm i wasn't tagged |
| 15:34.08 | Tekkub | hehe |
| 15:34.34 | Tepetkhet | To everybody in their address book. |
| 15:34.45 | Tekkub | naturally |
| 15:34.50 | Hobinheim | how is vv bot finding self linked pages |
| 15:35.09 | Hobinheim | oh my god its going thru them alphabetically |
| 15:35.13 | Kirkburn | Yep |
| 15:35.28 | Hobinheim | yeah i didn't do that with the reduce headers thing |
| 15:35.30 | Tepetkhet | And then those people call in and say, "Why can't I get my e-mail?" and you look and see this e-mail with a 50MB attachment sitting on the server that their client is stuck trying to DL... |
| 15:35.49 | Tepetkhet | Fun and excitement all around. |
| 15:35.49 | equiraptor | Limits on attachment size are good. |
| 15:35.56 | Tepetkhet | Well |
| 15:36.02 | equiraptor | especially with an error message that's clear about the limit. |
| 15:36.07 | Tepetkhet | Not everybody has limits on their SMTP servers. |
| 15:36.19 | Tepetkhet | So you still end up with jokers who send these abominations to your customers. |
| 15:36.26 | equiraptor | Yeah. |
| 15:36.27 | Tepetkhet | meh |
| 15:36.45 | equiraptor | I tried to send a 70mb attachment to someone. Log files they needed (yes, the logs were THAT BIG). |
| 15:36.54 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 15:37.10 | equiraptor | Their mailserver gave me an error that told me how large an attachment I could send. So I complessed the log files until they were small enough. |
| 15:37.26 | Hobinheim | i use outlook 2007. it's tasty |
| 15:37.27 | Tepetkhet | For anything over 1MB in size, I'll generally just upload it somewhere and e-mail the recipient a URL. |
| 15:37.27 | equiraptor | "Here. It'll take some time to unzip, and it will get a LOT bigger." |
| 15:37.48 | Tepetkhet | Since I still know people on dial-up. |
| 15:37.54 | Hobinheim | are they not in the US? |
| 15:37.58 | equiraptor | Unfortunately, this had to remain "secure". We've actually secured the connection between our mailservers. |
| 15:38.16 | Tepetkhet | Hobinheim: Up until a couple months ago, I had dial-up for my upstream. |
| 15:38.17 | equiraptor | So... I couldn't just upload it somewhere. |
| 15:38.19 | Tepetkhet | And I'm in the US. |
| 15:38.35 | Tepetkhet | And I had a friend in the US who only got DSL about, oh...4 months ago? |
| 15:38.42 | Tepetkhet | He was playing WoW on dial-up. |
| 15:38.44 | Tepetkhet | PvPing. |
| 15:38.46 | Tepetkhet | As a rogue. |
| 15:38.48 | Hobinheim | Tepetkhet: upstream... what was your down stream? |
| 15:38.53 | Hobinheim | lol |
| 15:38.56 | equiraptor | There's a guy who trolls one of our IRC channels from dialup. |
| 15:39.00 | Tepetkhet | Hobinheim: 1.5M cable |
| 15:39.09 | Hobinheim | why not symmetrical |
| 15:39.18 | Tepetkhet | Because that's all the network could support. |
| 15:39.24 | Tepetkhet | Upstream was over dial-up. |
| 15:39.42 | Tepetkhet | 40 years ago, they built the first cable TV network. |
| 15:39.58 | Tepetkhet | And never upgraded a thing! |
| 15:40.01 | Tepetkhet | hah! |
| 15:41.10 | Tepetkhet | AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Best spam award of the morning goes to..."Who needs love when there is Super Viagra?" |
| 15:41.18 | equiraptor | Some of the houses with extremely old copper here are getting fiber now. |
| 15:41.33 | Tepetkhet | "Get excited in your pants with Super Viagra." |
| 15:41.37 | Tepetkhet | Okay, okay. |
| 15:41.56 | Tepetkhet | Oh, and it was sent from 19...69 |
| 15:41.57 | Tepetkhet | oh yeah |
| 15:42.04 | Tepetkhet | Nice touch. |
| 15:42.46 | equiraptor | Why, oh why, oh WHY do people keep buying things from spam emails? |
| 15:43.01 | Tepetkhet | Because they want to get excited in their pants? |
| 15:43.48 | equiraptor | Why are people so ashamed of sex? |
| 15:44.14 | equiraptor | If people would just buy their viagra, etc. from a real store and stop jumping on the stock bandwagons, my spam would go away. |
| 15:44.16 | Tepetkhet | Because the US was colonized by Puritans? |
| 15:44.17 | Tepetkhet | maybe? |
| 15:44.24 | equiraptor | Get over it already! |
| 15:44.28 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 15:44.29 | equiraptor | It's been how many centuries? |
| 15:44.57 | equiraptor | There was a noticable drop in the amount of spam I received when my secondary MX was done. |
| 15:44.59 | equiraptor | Er, down. |
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| 15:45.28 | equiraptor | Nugget's thought about writing a script for a secondary MX that would check to see if the primary was up. If the primary was up, the secondary wouldn't accept mail. If the primary was down, it would. |
| 15:45.44 | weazer | MX = DNS right? |
| 15:45.59 | equiraptor | MX == mailserver, defined by DNS. |
| 15:47.19 | equiraptor | Oops. I forgot to update my internal DNS config. |
| 15:47.52 | weazer | ok.. |
| 15:48.00 | weazer | jump remember it in my DNS tab at my webhotel |
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| 15:49.34 | Tekkub | my butt hurts, hotel conf room chairs blow |
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| 15:50.32 | Kirkburn | Swift Nether Drake: "Seasonal Arena reward, increases flight speed by 310%, can only be used in Outland" |
| 15:50.43 | weazer | woooooooooot |
| 15:50.48 | weazer | 310% speed =P |
| 15:50.59 | Kirkburn | (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/mounts/special.html#misc) |
| 15:51.04 | weazer | thats like... "woooom" "wtf the fuck was that" |
| 15:51.47 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 15:53.22 | Tepetkhet | [10:49] <Tekkub> my butt hurts |
| 15:53.23 | Tepetkhet | hmmm |
| 15:53.24 | sancus | huh, that's slightly faster than the currently purchasable amounts |
| 15:53.25 | sancus | er mounts |
| 15:53.45 | weazer | the tiger from ZG is that possible to get for hordes? like the troll mount is possible for alli |
| 15:53.50 | Tepetkhet | yes |
| 15:53.55 | Tepetkhet | Very rare. |
| 15:54.08 | Tepetkhet | On the ohter hand, my old guild had 2 raptor mounts drop in 2 weeks. |
| 15:54.13 | Tepetkhet | s/ohter/other/ |
| 15:54.44 | weazer | Lucky :) |
| 15:54.48 | Tepetkhet | yup |
| 15:54.57 | Zeal | ok, Kirkburn, tied up that code with comments |
| 15:55.19 | weazer | Anyway the tiger is so damn cool :O |
| 15:55.40 | Kirkburn | Oh, awesome idea for people |
| 15:55.56 | Kirkburn | How do screenshot fit in with it? |
| 15:56.26 | Kirkburn | In fact, where would it fit in, period? |
| 15:56.45 | Zeal | *tidied |
| 15:56.50 | Zeal | huh Kirkburn? :s |
| 15:57.13 | Kirkburn | The NPC one |
| 15:57.24 | Kirkburn | Where's that to be used? |
| 15:57.31 | sancus | Hope that nether drake isnt the only way to get 310% speed! |
| 15:57.49 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/NPC:Broxxigar |
| 15:58.25 | Kirkburn | Oh right |
| 15:58.57 | Kirkburn | In any case, great job on the item tooltip |
| 15:59.15 | Zeal | oh right = i don't like it? :P |
| 15:59.17 | Zeal | and ty |
| 16:00.22 | Zeal | i just need to add set stuff next.. which i dunno how we're gunna do... |
| 16:01.17 | Tepetkhet | http://www.niceboots.com/~tenebrae/misc/wow/RazzashiRaptor.jpg |
| 16:01.23 | Tepetkhet | (s4w) |
| 16:01.23 | Zeal | eg, what namespace would the set use, do people really want the set list and bonus shown in the tooltip (no imo), or just a link to the set list on items it belongs to (ideally, yes). |
| 16:01.39 | Tuqui-tuqui | nice :D |
| 16:01.59 | Tepetkhet | I should get some new pics with the new guild tag. |
| 16:02.31 | Tepetkhet | Oh...I did come across an Alliance person with the tiger mount. |
| 16:02.32 | Tuqui-tuqui | im just 8k away from my wolf mount! ^_^ |
| 16:02.46 | Tepetkhet | And I stood next to them in Shattrah City and took a pic. |
| 16:02.51 | Zeal | and after our talk yesterday Kirkburn, think moving the tooltip to it's own section, above links. |
| 16:02.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | linkie? |
| 16:03.01 | Tepetkhet | I haven't converted it. |
| 16:03.04 | Tuqui-tuqui | oh :< |
| 16:03.21 | Tepetkhet | I do that a lot |
| 16:03.33 | Tepetkhet | Take screenshots and then never convert/upload them. |
| 16:03.45 | Kirkburn | Zeal, not sure what you mean? |
| 16:04.52 | Zeal | check that link again |
| 16:05.00 | Zeal | er.. once this edit submits.. |
| 16:05.01 | Zeal | ffs |
| 16:05.06 | Tuqui-tuqui | I have one where im sunbathing in slat flats |
| 16:05.07 | Zeal | ok, now :P |
| 16:05.51 | Tuqui-tuqui | ¬.¬ |
| 16:05.52 | Zeal | now if only hide was the default state of the toc.. |
| 16:13.29 | Tepetkhet | geez |
| 16:32.56 | Zeal | fyi, neglected to say this before, but i'm not happy about what vvbot is doing.. |
| 16:33.47 | Zeal | the removal of self links, to me they are preferable to bolding a title, as has been discussed (and unresolved). They certainyl do no harm to be done as self links, so why send a bot to go round removing them needlessly? |
| 16:37.34 | sancus | wait, you have a bot running around editing self-links, and people are complaining about site speed? |
| 16:37.36 | sancus | gg |
| 16:37.47 | Zeal | yes, indeed.. |
| 16:38.07 | Zeal | and it's throttling it off apparently |
| 16:38.24 | sancus | I read that it was throttled |
| 16:38.46 | sancus | it's still 2 edits per minute that are otherwise unnecessary |
| 16:39.06 | sancus | I'd agree that I dont see what's so bad about a self-link in the title of a page |
| 16:39.34 | Zeal | it's not in the title, it's just in the body of the text. |
| 16:39.40 | Zeal | and its only one per page.. |
| 16:39.47 | sancus | wherever |
| 16:39.56 | Zeal | lol |
| 16:39.57 | sancus | why does it even matter |
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| 16:40.20 | Zeal | check the manual of style talk |
| 16:40.47 | sancus | I hope it doesn't make me want to indiscriminately murder people like the blood elf controversy talk did |
| 16:40.55 | Zeal | rofl |
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| 16:41.42 | sancus | Some of those people are lucky I'm too lazy to do anything on the wiki, seriously. |
| 16:41.48 | Tepetkhet | hrm |
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| 16:44.20 | Zeal | lol |
| 16:44.35 | sancus | my eyes are glazing over, here |
| 16:44.52 | sancus | is the objection to the self-links that they break on redirects? |
| 16:45.00 | sancus | er, when an article is moved, rather |
| 16:49.54 | Zeal | i really wish i typed more coherently.. |
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| 16:51.32 | Creator | #wowwiki |
| 16:51.37 | Zeal | er.. if i remember what i was saying. my objection, is that self links should always be used, never bolding. If it's redirected, it displays where you were redirected from, and that is simple enough. Those sort of things are redirects for spelling. They would never be self-linked anyways. On theo ther hand, alt titles are deserving on serperate articles to explain what they mean, why they are different etc, and thne link tothe m |
| 16:51.51 | Zeal | not redirect (which is being cinorrectly done all over thep lace atm) |
| 16:52.20 | Zeal | awful typing ftl |
| 16:52.38 | Zeal | lo Creator, you have arrived :P |
| 16:53.26 | Zeal | therefore, there is no reason to never use self-links |
| 16:53.49 | sancus | no I was asking what the _objection_ TO self-links is |
| 16:53.54 | sancus | why do people NOT want them used |
| 16:53.54 | Zeal | if a page is moved, the link would need to be changed either way. |
| 16:54.11 | Zeal | for the reasons above |
| 16:54.26 | Zeal | which i've debunked.. but people didn;t get that it seems |
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| 16:55.07 | Zeal | people said it causes issues and undesirable behavioir with redirects, moves etc. and that using ''' ''' is easier for them. |
| 16:56.17 | Tekkub | eye, a self-link helps point out that something needs changed :P |
| 16:56.21 | Tekkub | (on move) |
| 16:56.43 | Tekkub | and [[ is one fewer keystroke than ''' ! |
| 16:57.27 | sancus | so a decision wasnt made about which is best? |
| 16:57.28 | sancus | yet |
| 16:58.36 | Zeal | the decission was made before i brought it up, people have chosen to overlook it and take action on the original descision when it hasn't really been resolved. |
| 16:59.55 | Zeal | i haven't replied since because the only replies since mine are irrelevent, or people completely missing the point. It's hard to reply to stupidity tbh ;x |
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| 17:00.23 | sancus | dunno it seems ill-advised to me to have a bot running around making changes on an unresolved issue |
| 17:00.35 | Zeal | certainly |
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| 17:48.48 | Kirkburn|afk | Given that we do have a bot doing this, is there a good enough reason for it to then be stopped halfway? |
| 17:49.42 | Zeal | yes? |
| 17:49.50 | Kirkburn|afk | And it is? |
| 17:50.05 | Zeal | regardless of the amount, it's causing undeeded traffic. |
| 17:50.06 | sancus | because shut up, that's why |
| 17:50.12 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 17:50.16 | Kirkburn|afk | It's only one day |
| 17:50.31 | Zeal | and if things do change, that mean antoher bot needs to go back and fix them |
| 17:50.35 | sancus | I was just trying to figure out why there was a bot doing it in the first place :P |
| 17:50.41 | Zeal | or we have to do it manually as we go. |
| 17:50.44 | sancus | and why anybody cared |
| 17:50.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Because it's more stable, and for consistency |
| 17:51.01 | Zeal | wtf? |
| 17:51.04 | Zeal | lol |
| 17:51.22 | Kirkburn|afk | A fair few articles had already been changed to use ''' ''' |
| 17:51.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Not only that but the words you want in bold do not always match the article title |
| 17:52.00 | Kirkburn|afk | And therefore it's far MORE code to do a piped link, than just bold a couple of words |
| 17:52.40 | Kirkburn|afk | In addition, pages that get moved are unlikely to be the kind that need the bolded section changed as a result |
| 17:52.43 | Zeal | and as i said, either those things are being incorrectly used or they should not be bold |
| 17:52.52 | Zeal | so its a moot point |
| 17:53.08 | Kirkburn|afk | What? |
| 17:53.14 | LucidFox | are there any screenshots out there of "Tarren Mill is under attack!"? |
| 17:53.17 | Zeal | any move would require a chance. |
| 17:53.19 | Zeal | *change |
| 17:53.19 | Kirkburn|afk | "Incorrectly used" is /your opinion/? |
| 17:53.23 | LucidFox | from the good old days that I missed |
| 17:53.24 | Zeal | no, it's not |
| 17:53.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, it is |
| 17:53.59 | Kirkburn|afk | On the blood elf article sin'dorei is bolded for good reason |
| 17:54.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Because it's the alternate (and equally correct) title for the article |
| 17:54.25 | Zeal | sin'dorei should have its own article, it should not be boldened, it should be linked to. |
| 17:54.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Why on earth should it have it's own article? |
| 17:54.47 | Zeal | to explain what it means, to explain why it is different. |
| 17:54.54 | Zeal | that stufff should not be in the belf article. |
| 17:54.55 | Kirkburn|afk | It's like saying human and "homo sapiens" shoudl be different articles |
| 17:55.03 | Zeal | they should |
| 17:55.09 | Kirkburn|afk | But they're the same thing! |
| 17:55.27 | Zeal | no, they're not |
| 17:56.02 | Zeal | rofl |
| 17:56.16 | sancus | fwiw, on wikipedia |
| 17:56.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Gotta go out for a few mins, be back in a sec to discuss this further |
| 17:56.21 | sancus | homo sapien and human are the same article =) |
| 17:56.30 | Zeal | and a human article you should not be talking about homo sapiens, the origin of the name, and it's meanings. |
| 17:56.35 | Zeal | *-and |
| 17:56.39 | Zeal | no.. they're not |
| 17:56.39 | LucidFox | damn... I can't even send mail between factions |
| 17:56.49 | Tekkub | god it's gone from bad to worse |
| 17:56.54 | Tekkub | no more powerpoint... |
| 17:56.57 | Tekkub | Jerry Springer |
| 17:57.00 | Kirkburn|afk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapien |
| 17:57.00 | Zeal | O_o |
| 17:57.04 | Kirkburn|afk | ahem |
| 17:57.04 | Tekkub | fucking kill these hicks |
| 17:57.16 | sancus | well |
| 17:57.20 | LucidFox | is there any way to transit items between alts of different factions? |
| 17:57.21 | sancus | there isnt really an 'origin of the name' to talk about |
| 17:57.23 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, wikipedia is in a worse state (exlcluding stability) than wowwiki.. |
| 17:57.25 | Tekkub | the second they hit that chennel EVERYONE perked up |
| 17:57.35 | Zeal | i really don't give a shit what those morons thinks |
| 17:57.36 | Tekkub | I need to move away from this pathetic state |
| 17:57.39 | Zeal | *think |
| 17:57.52 | sancus | There's no reason to write more than a sentence about the term 'homo sapiens' |
| 17:57.57 | Tekkub | Wikipedia is too big for it's own good :) |
| 17:58.28 | Zeal | even on the wiki they actually make it clear they are differnt things |
| 17:58.31 | sancus | If there's a reason to write more than a sentence about the term 'sin'dorei' then maybe it should have its own article |
| 17:58.53 | Zeal | yet they're so afraid of stubs (as apparently most people are for w/e ridiculous reason) that they leave it in that article. |
| 17:58.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Before I go, I will say I think vvbot's edits are a good thing, even if it's a bit of extra load for a day. It only has to be done once :) |
| 17:59.09 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, imo there isn't |
| 17:59.19 | Zeal | and it also has to be undone.. |
| 17:59.20 | Tekkub | I hate stubs for page that contain _NO_ content |
| 17:59.34 | Tekkub | if it's a short page with some info, yes it's a stub |
| 17:59.39 | Zeal | there is a paragraph worth to write about sin'dorei. |
| 17:59.43 | Tekkub | if it's a placeholder it's useless |
| 18:00.08 | Kirkburn|afk | A parargraph which can be included in the be article |
| 18:00.10 | Kirkburn|afk | =) |
| 18:00.21 | Zeal | placeholders are useless? wth? |
| 18:00.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Small articles = bad, mmkay |
| 18:00.32 | Tekkub | I dislike many short pages that should be joined together into one |
| 18:00.37 | Tekkub | like the reputation levels |
| 18:00.37 | Zeal | they provide a basis an grounds for someoen to expand from. |
| 18:00.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Crossed wires |
| 18:00.56 | Zeal | just because soemthing is short doesn't mean you put it in a page it doesn't belong in.. |
| 18:01.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Crossed wires!! |
| 18:01.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Tekkub is talking about pages that just say "stub" |
| 18:01.27 | Zeal | uncorss them then? |
| 18:01.46 | Zeal | it was still relevent to what you were saying though :P |
| 18:02.00 | Kirkburn|afk | They should just be red links if that's all they can say |
| 18:02.07 | Zeal | and Tekkub, goes on to talk abot other things.. which aren't stubs. |
| 18:02.15 | Zeal | *about |
| 18:02.25 | Kirkburn|afk | One is allowed to talk about different things :P |
| 18:02.25 | Zeal | merging of short articles into larger ones. |
| 18:02.29 | Zeal | which is awful. |
| 18:02.43 | Zeal | point was Kirkburn|afk, moved on, quickly :P |
| 18:03.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Not giant pages, but paragraph long pages that can be part of an extremely similar article should be together |
| 18:05.15 | Zeal | no, they shouldn't, as you're giving a user information they may not want. you're loosing the context of the information (eg. try finding complete information on sin'dorei and it's meaning on the belf article, it wont be there, as it's been ignored as a result) |
| 18:07.08 | Tekkub | screw you all |
| 18:07.25 | sancus | I'm glad that somebody cares about this |
| 18:07.58 | sancus | Because I'm pretty sure I reached the "I have real work to do" status like an hour ago :P |
| 18:08.10 | Tekkub | I'm at training right now |
| 18:08.17 | Tekkub | this sucks |
| 18:08.23 | Tekkub | make them go away |
| 18:08.51 | Zeal | rofl sancus |
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| 18:23.14 | Zeal | i still haven't played wow for a month now, heh. |
| 18:24.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Complete information on sin'dorei /is/ the blood elf article ;) The be article gives the meaning in the first sentence! |
| 18:24.06 | Kirkburn|afk | "The blood elves, or sin'dorei ("Children of the Blood" in Thalassian), ..." |
| 18:24.27 | Kirkburn|afk | There's nothing else you can say about sin'dorei that isn't rightfully part of the be article |
| 18:25.30 | Kirkburn|afk | The fuller explanation is at the end of the second history para: "In remembrance of their fallen brethren, most of them renamed themselves the blood elves, or sin'dorei, and swore to avenge their fallen race. " |
| 18:26.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Basically I guess I'm saying... "Don't have two tiny pages when you can have a single good length one", and variations thereof |
| 18:26.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, bought TBC? |
| 18:27.20 | Zeal | that information should not be in that page (reducdes to a sentence for it's origin and meaning? rofl, evne the official encylopedia has more than that) |
| 18:28.20 | Zeal | it's being overlooked, and ignored. if you want to argue it belong in the page, then it needs it own section, and the first use of it should link to that section for quick lookup, not just left bold so people have to either scroll back to or skip ahead to find out. |
| 18:28.27 | Zeal | yes, i have CE silly :P |
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| 18:34.34 | Kirkburn|afk | You're saying the explanation for the name of the blood elf race should not be on the blood elf page? |
| 18:35.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Sin'dorei = blood elf, blood elf = sin'dorei |
| 18:35.30 | Zeal | no.. it doesn;t |
| 18:35.33 | Zeal | *doesn't |
| 18:35.40 | Zeal | that's why it has a completely different meaning >_> |
| 18:35.57 | Zeal | but is merely used for the blood elves |
| 18:36.58 | Kirkburn|afk | I have no response ... I don't know what to respond to? |
| 18:37.13 | Zeal | there there |
| 18:37.14 | Kirkburn|afk | It's like saying homo sapiens and human have different meanings |
| 18:37.20 | Zeal | they do |
| 18:37.21 | Zeal | lol |
| 18:37.40 | Kirkburn|afk | If you can actually tell me then? |
| 18:38.06 | equiraptor | They have different connotations, but I'm not sure they have different meanings. |
| 18:38.39 | Kirkburn|afk | The sin'dorei are the blood elves, the blood elves are the sin'dorei, they are equal terms |
| 18:38.54 | Kirkburn|afk | No blood elves aren't sin'dorei, no sin'dorei aren't blood elves |
| 18:39.04 | Kirkburn|afk | blood elf is a translation of sin'dorei |
| 18:39.10 | equiraptor | I was reffering to homo sapiens vs. humans. I'm not sufficiently familiar with lore to make statements about it. :) |
| 18:39.25 | Kirkburn|afk | I was expounding on my earlier points =) |
| 18:39.36 | Kirkburn|afk | I agree with what you said |
| 18:39.41 | equiraptor | Yup. I'd just rather be clear than misinterpreted. :) |
| 18:39.46 | Kirkburn|afk | woot |
| 18:43.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Thoughts? http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#More_fun_with_templates_and_lurch |
| 18:47.14 | Zeal | "Sin'dorei comes from the [[Thallasian]] language spoken by both [[Race:High Elves|]] and [[Race:Blood Elves|]]. It is a word made of two parts, dorei meaning children, and sin meaning blood, with the literal translation of 'children of the blood'. Much like [[quel'dorei]] and [[kaldorei]] this is a name applied to a race, the Blood Elves. They use this name to signify their people are from a bloodline of importance, |
| 18:47.18 | Zeal | in this case the [[Faction:Highbourne|]]." |
| 18:48.59 | Kirkburn|afk | That's all pretty much said in the article |
| 18:49.10 | Kirkburn|afk | The first sentence is irrelevant |
| 18:49.16 | Zeal | "Can also be interpreted as "people of the bloodline". Typically used to refer to blood elves." |
| 18:49.27 | Zeal | no, it's not irrelevent, it's very significant. |
| 18:49.58 | Tepetkhet | Kael stated that he was naming his people Blood Elves in honour of his dead people or something. |
| 18:50.02 | Kirkburn|afk | " the [[Thallasian]] language spoken by both [[Race:High Elves|]] and [[Race:Blood Elves|]]", is for the Thalassian article |
| 18:50.13 | Tepetkhet | Blood from the blood that was spilled... |
| 18:50.37 | Zeal | granted, that part can be dropped, but not thallasian. |
| 18:50.43 | equiraptor | "Sin'dorei comes from [[Thallasian]]. It is a word..." seems reasonable to me. |
| 18:51.09 | Kirkburn|afk | We already have "The blood elves, or sin'dorei ("Children of the Blood" in Thalassian), ..." |
| 18:51.33 | Zeal | Tepetkhet, if i could get you a quote i would. But metzen has said it's got nothing to do with blood shed etc. just in honour of their fallen brethren. |
| 18:51.37 | Kirkburn|afk | You'd then go to the Thalassian article for translations |
| 18:51.52 | Tepetkhet | Fallen brethren. |
| 18:51.54 | Tepetkhet | They're dead. |
| 18:52.04 | Tepetkhet | Their blood was spilled. |
| 18:52.05 | Zeal | yes, but that has nothing to do with the blood part :P |
| 18:52.17 | Zeal | the blood is merely to show the blood lines. |
| 18:52.20 | Tepetkhet | I'd have to go back and load that save file from WC3 |
| 18:52.21 | equiraptor | I would enjoy the "dorei meaning children and sin being blood," but wouldn't go digging through the Thalassian article to find it. |
| 18:52.21 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 18:52.26 | Kirkburn|afk | " They use this name to signify their people are from a bloodline of importance" <-- source? |
| 18:52.46 | Zeal | "Can also be interpreted as "people of the bloodline"" |
| 18:53.10 | Zeal | Quel'dorei has similar meaning too. |
| 18:53.24 | Zeal | and metzen has described it as being about their bloodline. |
| 18:53.29 | Kirkburn|afk | By source, I mean link |
| 18:53.33 | Zeal | if i had the quote, i'd get it. |
| 18:53.39 | Zeal | http://wow-europe.com/en/info/encyclopedia/576.xml |
| 18:54.39 | Kirkburn|afk | "Kael'thas rallied all the survivors he could find and renamed them the sin'dorei, or "children of the blood", in honor of those who had fallen to the Scourge." |
| 18:54.50 | Zeal | yes |
| 18:54.54 | Kirkburn|afk | (http://wow-europe.com/en/info/encyclopedia/338.xml) |
| 18:55.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Good find, however |
| 18:57.07 | Kirkburn|afk | hmm |
| 18:59.55 | Zeal | theron lives, lol |
| 19:00.07 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 19:05.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, btw, I think you got sin and dorei mixed up |
| 19:05.20 | Kirkburn|afk | no wait |
| 19:05.23 | Kirkburn|afk | I misread, nvm |
| 19:05.56 | Kirkburn|afk | In lieu of a better solution for the moment, I expanded the thalassian page: http://www.wowwiki.com/Thalassian#Thalassian_Primer_.28official_translations.29 |
| 19:10.17 | Zeal | in lieu? better solution is one click away :P |
| 19:11.27 | Zeal | just a note.. |
| 19:11.39 | Zeal | quel'dorei is not thallasian, it's darnassian :P |
| 19:12.01 | Zeal | blame blizz on that make very little sense, but it's what they say. |
| 19:13.07 | Zeal | my guess if they named everything in darnassian, then they created thallasian when they established relations with the alliance. |
| 19:13.30 | Zeal | so they speak thallasian, but most of their stuff is still in darnassian as it's so similar. |
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| 19:21.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Well, thalassian is not far from darnassian anyway |
| 19:22.18 | Kirkburn|afk | I suppose it's kinda like latin and italian - quite similar, but not similar enough to speak the other knowing one |
| 19:22.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Can anyone shed any light on this: http://www.wowwiki.com/Drunk |
| 19:27.13 | Tekkub | fucking kill me now |
| 19:27.25 | Tekkub | that saftey wasn't just mindless like most |
| 19:27.38 | Tekkub | it was so aweful, it was downright offensive |
| 19:27.57 | Tekkub | it's like they're trying to talk to a child |
| 19:28.26 | Tekkub | *safty video |
| 19:32.06 | Zeal | shed light where exactly Kirkburn|afk? :S |
| 19:32.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Note the accuract template?? |
| 19:32.25 | Kirkburn|afk | *accuracy |
| 19:32.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Tekkub, lol |
| 19:32.48 | Tekkub | kirk, you have no idea.... |
| 19:32.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Safety for one? |
| 19:32.52 | Zeal | oh i see.. |
| 19:32.54 | Kirkburn|afk | *what |
| 19:32.57 | Zeal | interesting :S |
| 19:33.00 | Kirkburn|afk | blood hell, what am I writing? |
| 19:33.03 | Tekkub | it... oh god it was horrible |
| 19:33.04 | Zeal | i want refrences.. |
| 19:33.32 | Kirkburn|afk | It definately reduces the apparent mob level, but whether it makes any /real/ difference I don't kno |
| 19:33.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Why I am always pressing return one letter too early? |
| 19:34.31 | Zeal | lol |
| 19:34.44 | Zeal | i didn't even know it changed their level appearance :P |
| 19:34.49 | Kirkburn|afk | =) |
| 19:34.51 | Zeal | funky |
| 19:46.03 | kaso | Whens the next darkmoon faire? |
| 19:46.08 | kaso | cba to test it without proper strength beer |
| 19:47.12 | Zeal | er.. a week from monday |
| 19:47.16 | Zeal | iirc |
| 19:51.15 | Zeal | i want my god damn netherwelpy tbqfh.. |
| 19:51.27 | Zeal | *whelp |
| 19:52.51 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 19:52.53 | Zeal | 1) i don't want to cut up anything from my CE, 2) i don't want to remove anything from me CE with the likelyhood i will never get it back, 3) i don't have a printer around, 4) i'm not paying money for their screw up. |
| 19:53.01 | Zeal | *my |
| 19:53.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Same |
| 19:53.39 | Zeal | they need to go back to their original plan, send out the cdkeys to the retailers, have the retailers mail or phone the customers. |
| 19:59.33 | oam | didn't blizzard claim to have updated the hardware and such? server seems to be worse then before. ^^ |
| 20:00.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Which server? |
| 20:00.45 | Kirkburn|afk | I've found the complete opposite :) |
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| 20:01.35 | Tepetkhet | Our realm currently has free transfers available. |
| 20:01.38 | Tepetkhet | Until Friday. |
| 20:01.45 | Tepetkhet | And there is talk of a realm split. |
| 20:02.04 | Tepetkhet | I cannot find any official posts about a realm split. |
| 20:03.33 | oam | Kirkburn|afk: eu-turalyon |
| 20:03.53 | oam | outrealm has been down a couple of times since TBC came |
| 20:04.12 | Kirkburn|afk | ... Outland? |
| 20:04.36 | oam | all of it |
| 20:04.40 | oam | the whole shebang |
| 20:04.46 | oam | :) |
| 20:05.09 | Zeal | outrealm, lol if only ragestorm was about to see that :P |
| 20:05.27 | oam | out our realm |
| 20:05.30 | oam | :P |
| 20:05.36 | Kirkburn|afk | At least it wasn't plural :P |
| 20:06.11 | oam | there we go, server down :P |
| 20:06.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyhoo, that's not good |
| 20:06.26 | Kirkburn|afk | How old is Turalyon? |
| 20:06.33 | oam | day 1 in europe :) |
| 20:06.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Same as mine, Dragonblight |
| 20:06.42 | oam | 7:1 alliance:horde ratio and everything:P |
| 20:06.49 | oam | PVE server :P |
| 20:07.10 | Kirkburn|afk | Very high population? |
| 20:07.35 | oam | no queue usually, longest might be 50 people if you're unlucky,but it's heavily populated yeah |
| 20:07.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, well I hope they sort it out for you somehow :) |
| 20:08.01 | oam | ditto :P |
| 20:09.35 | oam | /wave server (it went offline:P) |
| 20:11.25 | oam | seems to be 4-5 servers that have issues |
| 20:20.28 | Zeal | wikiwikiwild wild west.. |
| 20:20.44 | weazer | :P |
| 20:22.58 | Apollozeus | whoa |
| 20:23.15 | Apollozeus | look at the sexiness of blizzard's new mount page |
| 20:24.25 | Zeal | link plx |
| 20:24.25 | Zeal | and lo Apollozeus :P |
| 20:24.25 | Apollozeus | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/mounts/ |
| 20:24.29 | Apollozeus | 'lo Zeal |
| 20:24.43 | Apollozeus | lvl'ing draenei and blood elves is somehow quite addictive |
| 20:25.01 | Tuqui-tuqui | 0.o |
| 20:25.07 | Tuqui-tuqui | oh wait |
| 20:25.07 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, want you opinion on what i was talking about before |
| 20:25.09 | Tuqui-tuqui | addictive |
| 20:25.14 | Tuqui-tuqui | I read attractive |
| 20:25.19 | Zeal | tooltip above or below the toc? |
| 20:25.47 | Zeal | shame that page is using a design that's borken in IE7 Apollozeus >_< |
| 20:26.00 | Apollozeus | D: Firefox |
| 20:26.04 | Zeal | ok it's onyl broken when it doesn't load fully.. |
| 20:26.18 | oam | Apollozeus: try doing so on a eu server that is lagging like hell and that shutch down:P |
| 20:26.20 | Zeal | they're clearly using a shitty method of applying ie fixes.. |
| 20:26.24 | oam | without warning:P |
| 20:26.28 | Kirkburn|afk | What? |
| 20:26.32 | Kirkburn|afk | It's not broken in IE7 |
| 20:26.32 | Apollozeus | oam, I did that last weekend |
| 20:26.47 | Apollozeus | aszune and stormrage |
| 20:26.49 | Zeal | it is if the page doesn't load fully Kirkburn|afk |
| 20:27.03 | Kirkburn|afk | eh? |
| 20:27.12 | Zeal | seems its susing javascript to position the footer in ie7.. |
| 20:27.13 | oam | shouldn't be using IE anyway, chinese people will get into your accounts and shard your purplz! ;) |
| 20:27.20 | Zeal | rofl oam |
| 20:27.43 | Zeal | what?! no lore!! |
| 20:27.47 | Zeal | lame page : / |
| 20:27.50 | Kirkburn|afk | So you're saying if the page doesn't load properly, it looks wrong? |
| 20:27.52 | Zeal | i wanted hawkstrider lore.. |
| 20:28.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Wouldn't that be the case for /any/ browser? |
| 20:28.09 | Zeal | yes.. blizz's design has always done that in ie |
| 20:28.11 | Zeal | nope |
| 20:28.15 | Gryphen | of course not Kirkburn|afk |
| 20:28.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Not to rain on your anti-IE parade or anything ... |
| 20:28.20 | Zeal | as they're fixes for ie. |
| 20:28.30 | Zeal | i'm not anti-ie :p |
| 20:28.44 | oam | the footer is most likly placed with style="bottom:0px;width:100%;height:whateverpx;background:url(img) repeat-x" ;) |
| 20:28.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Good ;) |
| 20:28.57 | oam | when did this end up as #css or #html anyway? ;) |
| 20:29.02 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 20:29.06 | Zeal | since i came? lol |
| 20:29.10 | Zeal | dunno :P |
| 20:29.18 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm just trying not to answer Zeal's earlier question ... oh damn |
| 20:29.25 | oam | :D |
| 20:29.39 | Zeal | yeah, was about to poke you for a response :P |
| 20:29.45 | Zeal | why no answer? |
| 20:30.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Partly you should be able to guess why, and partly because it's a tough question |
| 20:30.40 | Kirkburn|afk | If pressed I would say toc below |
| 20:30.45 | equiraptor | I can't use IE. :'( |
| 20:31.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Just because it's very long and the tooltip is very useful |
| 20:31.40 | Zeal | i can't guess why, fill me in :S |
| 20:31.46 | Zeal | and that's what i was thinking too. |
| 20:32.08 | Kirkburn|afk | lol, because I've complained about that page design before? |
| 20:32.34 | Zeal | you complained about the boxes, colours and stuff.. |
| 20:32.40 | Zeal | you can ignore all that, lol |
| 20:33.05 | Zeal | it's all gone in newer stuff :P |
| 20:33.40 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 20:33.41 | Zeal | is it me or is the nether drake missing? :s |
| 20:33.55 | Zeal | yeah.. it is missing :S |
| 20:33.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, I think it's a surprise |
| 20:33.57 | Zeal | wtf |
| 20:34.15 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Item:Conjured_Bread |
| 20:34.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Not sure that the full questline is in yet |
| 20:34.19 | Zeal | thats the newer design look. |
| 20:34.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Better, better |
| 20:35.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyway, going proper afk now |
| 20:35.37 | Zeal | proper afkm lol. kk |
| 20:36.17 | oam | he's seen to many tv release named |
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| 20:47.47 | Tekkub | okey, patience is over |
| 20:47.52 | Zeal | equiraptor, why can't you use IE? :s |
| 20:47.56 | Tekkub | I'm not coming to this shit the next two days |
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| 20:48.18 | Zeal | Tekkub.. i'm ignored you this whole time tbh. wtf you talking about? :s |
| 20:48.23 | Zeal | *i've |
| 20:48.32 | Tekkub | thanks, I fucking love you too |
| 20:48.38 | Tekkub | I'm at a saftey meeting... |
| 20:48.42 | Tekkub | three days... |
| 20:48.43 | equiraptor | Zeal: It doesn't run on the OSes I use. :) |
| 20:48.49 | Tekkub | did I mention I'm office personell? |
| 20:49.00 | Zeal | possibly, not that i'd remember |
| 20:49.05 | Tekkub | the only "saftey" that appies to me is fucking carpal tunnul |
| 20:49.10 | Zeal | lol |
| 20:49.16 | equiraptor | I mean, yeah, there was an "IE" for Mac OS, but it didn't use the same engine as Windows OS so still wasn't compatible with IE only websites. And it's not supported anymore. |
| 20:49.22 | Tekkub | they're showing videos from 73 |
| 20:49.31 | Zeal | yeah equiraptor : / |
| 20:49.40 | Tekkub | blowing up well equipment... I've seen better on mythbuster |
| 20:49.47 | Zeal | lol |
| 20:50.03 | Tekkub | oh and these videos are recorded from VHS to DVD and the asshole's computer can bearly drive the dvd player |
| 20:50.16 | Tekkub | AND the computer is wired into a REAL dvd player for sound |
| 20:50.24 | Tekkub | but he won't use that dvd player |
| 20:50.40 | Tekkub | and he keep looking at me and my husband to fix this shit on the spot |
| 20:51.02 | Zeal | sainsbury's preach health and safety, but they don't care about it. they don't provide the equipment, they don't provide proper training, they don't provide help or advice etc.. |
| 20:51.11 | Tekkub | and we've been trying to downplay our computer knowledge because these idiots can bearly play poker and look up porn and youtube |
| 20:51.23 | Tekkub | did I mention I'm pissed? |
| 20:51.43 | Tekkub | I've been up since midnight... 8hr graves shift plus 8 hr of this... |
| 20:51.53 | Tekkub | for 2 more days... fuck no... |
| 20:52.03 | Zeal | : / |
| 20:52.03 | Tekkub | AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:52.14 | Tekkub | I'm all alone.. I'm breaking his computer |
| 20:52.24 | Kirkburn|afk | looool |
| 20:52.28 | Zeal | thats were you type /quit, heh. |
| 20:52.46 | Tekkub | oh... my god... |
| 20:52.47 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, what do you actually do btw? |
| 20:52.51 | Zeal | job wise |
| 20:52.54 | Tekkub | I think I just willed a virus onto his box |
| 20:52.56 | Tekkub | .... |
| 20:53.03 | Tepetkhet | Bad. |
| 20:53.04 | Zeal | lol |
| 20:53.11 | Tekkub | "Windows defender failed to initialize... |
| 20:53.16 | Zeal | lol |
| 20:53.17 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.georgepribul.eu has your answers :) |
| 20:53.23 | equiraptor | Heh |
| 20:53.30 | Tekkub | "AVS Control center is now dsabled |
| 20:53.35 | Tekkub | at the same time... |
| 20:53.37 | Tekkub | *glee* |
| 20:53.40 | Tekkub | I'm saved |
| 20:53.52 | Zeal | cool |
| 20:54.08 | Tekkub | the computer gods have heard me cries of agony |
| 20:54.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Not entirely, I don't like my uni course any more ^^ |
| 20:54.24 | Tepetkhet | Tell them to hear mine. |
| 20:54.25 | Tekkub | oh I'm not alone, some's in the back, on the floor, snoring |
| 20:54.28 | Tepetkhet | My webmail is still broken. |
| 20:54.42 | Tepetkhet | Because I upgraded PHP. |
| 20:54.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Tekkub, I know what you need. Chocolate. Lots of chocolate. And probably alcohol. |
| 20:55.09 | jrr | a chocolate alchoholic beverage. |
| 20:55.10 | Tepetkhet | mmm |
| 20:55.19 | Tepetkhet | Kahlua? |
| 20:55.29 | Tepetkhet | Mudslide? |
| 20:55.31 | Tepetkhet | mmm |
| 20:55.58 | Zeal | i left college as my last remaining hope and all faith in the education system faded. i worked cash in hand as manager and technician at a wireworld (lan & online gaming center), left that as the owners were clueless and ran it into the ground. it lasted a week after i left, i've not doen anything since.. >_>; |
| 20:56.09 | equiraptor | MMmmm... |
| 20:56.18 | equiraptor | I'm starting to wish I could drink |
| 20:56.30 | jrr | meh |
| 20:56.32 | Kirkburn|afk | You can't? |
| 20:56.33 | Tepetkhet | I can't drink, either. |
| 20:56.38 | Zeal | O_o |
| 20:56.42 | Tepetkhet | I have a bad liver. |
| 20:56.48 | Tepetkhet | Doc told me not to drink. |
| 20:56.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Myself, I'm pretty much teetotal by choice |
| 20:56.51 | equiraptor | I'm on a mecidation that's extremely hard on the liver. |
| 20:57.04 | equiraptor | In the same way alcohol is. |
| 20:57.13 | jrr | i'm on a medication that's hard on the liver |
| 20:57.14 | jrr | beer |
| 20:57.21 | Zeal | lol |
| 20:57.29 | equiraptor | My blood tests all come up nearly perfect, so I haven't been forbidden to drink, but I want my liver to keep working, so I almost never drink. |
| 20:57.46 | Zeal | i drink pretty much anything other than beer and larger etc. cider is fine. |
| 20:57.51 | Tepetkhet | My blood tests said my liver was messed up. |
| 20:57.56 | Tepetkhet | And I hardly ever drink. |
| 20:57.58 | Tepetkhet | So |
| 20:58.00 | equiraptor | I'll only touch the girly drinks, anyway. :) |
| 20:58.01 | Tepetkhet | Now I never drink. |
| 20:58.12 | Zeal | spirits ftw. |
| 20:58.55 | Zeal | alco-pops ftcooldown :P |
| 20:59.08 | equiraptor | heh |
| 20:59.15 | jrr | alcohol has a very low freezing temperature |
| 20:59.28 | Zeal | interesting :s |
| 20:59.31 | jrr | but it can be tricked into jello without too much work |
| 20:59.50 | equiraptor | Ah, jello shots. |
| 21:00.10 | Zeal | so Kirkburn|afk, which one did you want me to replace, sd or speeddelete? :P |
| 21:00.34 | Zeal | or should i jsut make {{delete}} ? >_> |
| 21:00.36 | Kirkburn|afk | speedydelete, upgrade it to take an optional argument if you please :) |
| 21:00.47 | Kirkburn|afk | We already have delete, it's for votes |
| 21:00.53 | Zeal | ah i see |
| 21:01.00 | Kirkburn|afk | ta |
| 21:01.06 | Zeal | i get it now |
| 21:02.05 | Zeal | mind if i give it some design changes? ;) |
| 21:02.11 | Kirkburn|afk | If you wish, nothing to radical, mind :) |
| 21:02.31 | Zeal | never! ;x |
| 21:02.46 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 21:09.03 | dotted | http://www.wowwiki.com/Mount netherdrake 280% speed and costs 200g? |
| 21:09.05 | dotted | nah |
| 21:10.15 | Tekkub | now we've become youtube |
| 21:10.22 | Tekkub | this is bullshit |
| 21:11.00 | adys | tekkub, whats up? |
| 21:11.50 | Tekkub | I'm at a saftey meeting... |
| 21:12.00 | Tekkub | they're showing YOUTUBE as examples |
| 21:12.22 | jrr | safety videos on youtube? |
| 21:12.28 | Tekkub | no |
| 21:12.31 | Tekkub | examples |
| 21:12.33 | Tekkub | god |
| 21:12.35 | Gryphen | yes? |
| 21:12.44 | Tekkub | I'm not doing this crap again |
| 21:12.50 | Tekkub | God... Shawn Haas |
| 21:13.00 | Tekkub | make him incapacitated for 3 days |
| 21:13.03 | Tekkub | thank you |
| 21:15.06 | jrr | examples of what *not* to do? i'm confused. |
| 21:17.23 | dotted | x2 |
| 21:21.13 | Tekkub | now it's Reno 911 |
| 21:21.16 | Tekkub | *cry* |
| 21:21.20 | Tekkub | make this stop |
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| 21:22.13 | Kirkburn|afk | dotted, fixed |
| 21:27.04 | Tekkub | *whimper* |
| 21:29.55 | Zeal | damn wiki.. |
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| 21:53.30 | voidvector | afternoon, just wondering if any of the admins have the ability to do an XML dump |
| 21:53.33 | voidvector | for the wiki |
| 21:54.23 | Tekkub | *points at vlad_ * |
| 21:54.39 | Tepetkhet | Gotta run. |
| 21:54.55 | Tekkub | she? |
| 21:55.04 | Tekkub | who let a female near a computer? |
| 21:55.07 | Tekkub | *hides* |
| 21:55.22 | Tekkub | *pokes Cairenn|afk and hides more* |
| 21:55.44 | voidvector | didn't you know? there are no females on the internet |
| 21:56.03 | Tekkub | yea, their tubes clog too easily |
| 21:56.48 | Tekkub | what? gotta get your tubes unclogged frequently |
| 21:56.55 | equiraptor | I dunno. |
| 21:57.05 | equiraptor | I'd rather have clogged tubes. Reduced risk of becoming pregnant. |
| 21:57.05 | Tekkub | otherwise... uh... I dunno my brain's fried from these bullshit videos |
| 22:21.12 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Speedydelete Kirkburn|afk |
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| 22:47.19 | Zeal | :( |
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| 22:57.36 | voidvector | zeal, the template master, i have a question for you. Is it possible to create a list (in whatever form), such that we can have a template look up if a word is in that list? |
| 22:58.23 | voidvector | list obviously not part of the template itself |
| 22:58.57 | Zeal | you just want to check something against a list and display something based on if it finds it or not? |
| 22:59.04 | voidvector | yes |
| 23:00.31 | voidvector | i find it fairly easy to generate a list of talent names for all classes |
| 23:00.32 | Zeal | {{qif|test=<value>|test<listvalue1>=<dostuff>|test<listvalue2>=<dostuff>|test<listvlaue3>=<dostuff>|then=<dostuffifvalueisdefinedbutnotinthelist>|else=<dostuffifvalueisnotdefined>}} |
| 23:00.47 | Zeal | and so on |
| 23:01.11 | Zeal | or have i misunderstood? :P |
| 23:01.25 | voidvector | so i am thinking we should create a template for talents such that it will display "this talent page is outdated" if the talent is no longer in a master list |
| 23:01.50 | voidvector | you know blizzard rename talents quite often |
| 23:02.00 | Zeal | yeah, that can be done |
| 23:02.59 | Zeal | <listvalue>s would be the talent names, <value> would be what talent you're checking, <dostuffifvalueisdefinedbutnotinthelist> would be "This talent is out dated" |
| 23:04.17 | voidvector | the list is gonna have like 500 entries, is that gonna be a problem? |
| 23:04.53 | Zeal | btw, big gripe about what your bot is doing ;) me no happy. the slef link thing shouldn't be enfroced, and the debate on which one is better to use was never resolved. |
| 23:05.01 | Zeal | not afaik |
| 23:05.10 | Zeal | qif should be able to handle it |
| 23:06.12 | voidvector | it's a convention on wikipedia, we should adopt it |
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| 23:07.12 | sancus | "it's a convention on wikipedia" isn't a good reason for anything |
| 23:08.12 | voidvector | so i pointed out that why [[]] is bad: when you move the page, it messes up |
| 23:08.23 | voidvector | while ''' ''' is uneffected |
| 23:09.22 | Zeal | when you mvoe the page, the title will not remain the same |
| 23:09.36 | Zeal | so it is correct behavior, and desirable, for it to "mess up" on a move |
| 23:09.38 | sancus | You have to change it anyway |
| 23:09.42 | sancus | either way |
| 23:10.16 | voidvector | if you move a page to disambiguate it, you do not change the name |
| 23:10.33 | voidvector | text rather |
| 23:10.41 | Zeal | and what sancus said on wikipedia. We're not wikipedia, just because they've done something, doesn't mean we should. plus it's a place full of short-sighted idiots. mediawiki itself is testament to that. |
| 23:11.02 | sancus | no need for ranting :P |
| 23:11.06 | Tekkub | Zeal like mediawikipedia ^^ |
| 23:11.08 | sancus | but 'because someone else does it' is never a good reason to do anything |
| 23:11.29 | Tekkub | http://www.wowwiki.com/Burning_Crusade_Dungeon_Keys_and_Attunement |
| 23:11.41 | Tekkub | lets make this one as good as the Aldor/Scryer page! :) |
| 23:12.09 | Zeal | thats a issue with disambiguation, something that's in my view, abused, due to lack of namespaces. |
| 23:12.15 | Zeal | *that in |
| 23:12.22 | Zeal | *is abused due |
| 23:12.31 | Tekkub | namespacing need to be much more dynamic, yes |
| 23:13.03 | Tekkub | the current "hard" namespaces are fine, but there should be some sort of dynamic sub-namespacing |
| 23:13.23 | Zeal | plus, [[blah (blah)|]] is the same as [[blah (blah)|blah]] so little problem. |
| 23:13.28 | Tekkub | Quests SHOULD be in the "main" namespace, but they could very well be grouped together inside that |
| 23:14.03 | Tekkub | and the category/index sysem could really use subtitles defined in the page... |
| 23:14.51 | Tekkub | [[Category:Blah|Sort by this|Display this in the index page to help explain the page's content]] |
| 23:14.54 | Zeal | didn't follow that last bit (and don't agree with the first bit, but meh) |
| 23:15.18 | Zeal | oh, add descriptions to the category links? |
| 23:15.27 | Tekkub | look at any random index and tell me how each page is relavent without opening every one |
| 23:15.35 | Zeal | lol |
| 23:15.43 | Tekkub | yea a subtitle to the links in the index |
| 23:15.51 | Zeal | yes, Tekkub, such a parameter would be nice, i agree |
| 23:16.40 | Zeal | but then i also think category namespace should be removed completly and category functionality usuable in all articles. |
| 23:16.45 | Tekkub | [[Category:Instances]] ... [[Gnomeregan]] "A level 30ish instance in [[Dun Morough]]" |
| 23:16.53 | Tekkub | simple but powerful |
| 23:17.07 | Zeal | indeed |
| 23:18.31 | voidvector | disambiguation goes beyond namespacing. E.g. "DM" <- a common abbrev used in the game. that page needs to be disambiguated because it can mean diff things, not because we lack namespace. |
| 23:18.41 | Zeal | also plays into my idea that we should be able to soemthing like {{article name#1-5}} to pull the first to fith header. or just {{article name#5}} for the fifth header. |
| 23:19.24 | Zeal | what else is it used for in the context of wow? |
| 23:20.57 | voidvector | also we can't create infinite number namespaces for stuff out there, there are talents with same name but totally different function, it is highly unlikely we will create a namespace for class' talent |
| 23:21.18 | Zeal | well ofc not |
| 23:21.34 | Zeal | i don;t get why people assume adding namespaces opens up a can of worms |
| 23:22.31 | Zeal | wowwiki = database, namespace = table, field = data expected for that namespace, row = article. when you look at it like that, it's rather simplistic. |
| 23:38.33 | voidvector | another reason to use ''' ''' over [[ ]]. Since ''' ''' unambiguiously means bolding, and [[ ]] means links, such convention would make it easy for new user to learn. |
| 23:56.00 | Zeal | and [[ ]] links, that's the point. we shouldn't be telling them to link the first occurance of article titles, except when the article title is for that article, in which case make it bold isntead. we should simple say, link the first occurance of article titles. The wiki code itself handles bolding, thats why it there, i swear mediwiki made this decision themselves and that's why this functionality exists, otherwise there would |
| 23:56.05 | Zeal | adding it in the first place |
| 23:56.59 | Zeal | why wikipedia decided to go against it's own creators initial decision, i don't know. |
