| 00:02.56 | Bagginsww | btw has a page been made for nether ray? that's apparently the official classifcation for the marsfang ripper creatures |
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| 02:37.23 | Hobinheim | can i get an opinion on something |
| 02:37.33 | Tekkub | you're an asshole |
| 02:37.39 | Hobinheim | thanks |
| 02:37.48 | Tekkub | I've got many more |
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| 02:44.11 | blurrblurr | so no second opinion? |
| 02:44.17 | blurrblurr | besides what we've already established |
| 02:45.51 | blurrblurr | oh well |
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| 03:01.56 | Bagginsww | uh angry ogre just posted me with a very strange post... |
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| 03:02.49 | Bagginsww | ==Please stop vandalising Drek'thars page with your propaganda== |
| 03:02.50 | Bagginsww | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.23 | Bagginsww | Also Alterac mountains does equal Alterac valley. If that was the case,the Alliance would have known of the Frostwolves a lot sooner,The Frostwolves probably would not have settled being too tired for a big conflict,and Lord of the clans makes no mention of Dwarves in alterac. Not to mention your version of it makes no sense,why would the Frostwolves attack the stormpike for no reason,and it demonizes the Frostwolf, So plea |
| 03:03.24 | Bagginsww | se leave your biased propaganda out of Drek'thars page. Thank you |
| 03:04.15 | Bagginsww | I don't know what he means biased? |
| 03:04.16 | Bagginsww | wha? |
| 03:04.28 | Bagginsww | I haven't posted anything but what has been written officially |
| 03:05.29 | Bagginsww | oh he vadalized drek'thar |
| 03:05.34 | Bagginsww | quoted lunarfalls |
| 03:05.43 | Bagginsww | and acted like lunarfalls was correct |
| 03:06.43 | Bagginsww | I don't want to get involved with him, as he's kinda weird |
| 03:06.49 | Bagginsww | so I'll let some admins sourt it out |
| 03:09.18 | Bagginsww | is anyone on? |
| 03:12.20 | Celebron | How can i get to silvermoon |
| 03:14.55 | Bagginsww | through eastern plaguelands |
| 03:30.39 | Celebron | theres no easy way? |
| 03:50.07 | Bagginsww | are you horde or alliance? |
| 03:50.38 | Bagginsww | if you are horde there is a portal in undercity up in the castle section |
| 03:51.46 | equiraptor | So you can get there through EPL? |
| 03:51.59 | equiraptor | Can Alliance use that portal if they make it to that part of the Undercity? |
| 03:53.03 | Bagginsww | nah cause it goes into silvermoon |
| 03:53.30 | Bagginsww | at least you wouldn't want to take it if it worked lOL |
| 03:53.43 | equiraptor | Ah, true. |
| 03:53.54 | equiraptor | I was thinking a stealthed character might have a chance, though. |
| 03:54.13 | equiraptor | At least, eventually, part of the way. My druid has wandered around in some (less traveled) pieces of the undercity. |
| 03:54.30 | Bagginsww | well if it works let us know :) |
| 03:54.36 | equiraptor | heh |
| 03:54.44 | equiraptor | I'm not in the mood to die a lot tonight. ;-P |
| 03:54.44 | Bagginsww | its to the left of the gate as you go in |
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| 03:54.53 | Bagginsww | one of the formerly closed doors is open |
| 03:54.55 | equiraptor | I've used it on my BE pally. |
| 03:54.59 | Bagginsww | k |
| 03:55.24 | equiraptor | So... Should I go back to grinding winterspring rep and working on skinning, or should I come up with something else? |
| 03:55.52 | equiraptor | I think I'll go for the winterspring rep. |
| 03:56.01 | equiraptor | I'm so glad I can level while doing that now. |
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| 08:49.17 | kuinkala | plx nerf hangover ;( |
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| 10:29.35 | driggordraco | hey everyone |
| 10:29.50 | driggordraco | anyone from gurubashi US? |
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| 10:55.50 | Grentis | hi all |
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| 10:58.41 | fLUx-- | hey everyone ;) |
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| 11:28.04 | fLUx-- | hey, where can i get extra bags from? |
| 11:28.25 | fLUx-- | looking on the wiki, and it isnt very clear! :( |
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| 12:38.53 | fLUx-- | anyone know anything about macros? |
| 12:46.42 | kuinkala | very little |
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| 14:33.19 | Pheagator | Greetings. |
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| 14:57.58 | LucidFox | what is the current TBC client version? |
| 15:03.08 | equiraptor | 2.0.5 (6320) on my Mac. I'm not sure if there's a build number difference between Mac and windows, but I don't think there is. |
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| 15:10.25 | LucidFox | you see... I have the EU version of the original WoW, the US TBC installer, and EU TBC version 2.0.2.6144 |
| 15:10.41 | LucidFox | apparently, the latter is a beta... |
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| 15:18.05 | equiraptor | Ah. Ick. |
| 15:18.33 | equiraptor | There's a torrent of EU english TBC installer out there... |
| 15:21.04 | LucidFox | the only problem being, I can't download large files |
| 15:21.21 | LucidFox | I made the US TBC installer think I have the US version of WoW, though... |
| 15:21.29 | LucidFox | now it's installing |
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| 15:29.34 | LucidFox | can I patch TBC from 2.0.0 to 2.0.5 with the same patches I used to patch the original WoW? |
| 15:33.24 | equiraptor | I could. |
| 15:33.38 | equiraptor | Or, at least, they told us to keep the files because they were the same. |
| 15:34.48 | LucidFox | you see |
| 15:35.06 | LucidFox | I had the GB version |
| 15:35.18 | LucidFox | renamed the enGB folder to enUS, and all files accordingly |
| 15:35.32 | LucidFox | then installed the US version of TBC |
| 15:35.46 | LucidFox | renamed enUS back to enGB |
| 15:35.50 | equiraptor | Right. |
| 15:35.52 | LucidFox | the game runs normally |
| 15:35.57 | LucidFox | then tried to patch |
| 15:36.00 | equiraptor | But I don't know if it would install the patches or not. |
| 15:36.10 | LucidFox | with the 2.0.0-2.0.3 GB patch |
| 15:38.20 | LucidFox | and now it says: |
| 15:38.21 | LucidFox | The file "Data\enGB\Credits_BC.html" in archive "E:\bin\games\wow\Data\enGB\base-enGB.MPQ" could not be opened, because an error 2 occurred. |
| 15:38.57 | LucidFox | I ran repair.exe, it downloaded ~400 kb, then said everything is fine |
| 15:39.03 | LucidFox | but the patch still doesn't work |
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| 16:12.17 | LucidFox | anyone here? |
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| 16:51.32 | Adys | helloes |
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| 17:53.27 | LeJerk | hello |
| 17:54.11 | LeJerk | i just pade this page: http://www.wowwiki.com/Gloves_of_Holy_Might |
| 17:54.58 | LeJerk | where do i find the page of the "equip" links |
| 17:56.01 | LeJerk | i see the page Category:Spells by ID, but i don't know the id |
| 17:56.19 | cK^DeathmanX | Is there no way to change your pvp rank ? |
| 17:56.27 | cK^DeathmanX | or title |
| 17:59.25 | LeJerk | on the character screen there is a drop down box at the top to change it |
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| 18:22.08 | blurrblurr | paging an admin |
| 18:22.12 | blurrblurr | dammit/ |
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| 18:22.27 | Hobinheim | paging an admin |
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| 18:27.20 | Hobinheim | who's Cairenn? |
| 18:27.29 | Cairenn | no one |
| 18:27.41 | Hobinheim | clearly someone |
| 18:27.47 | Cairenn | nope |
| 18:27.55 | Cairenn | figmentation of your imaginement |
| 18:28.13 | Hobinheim | my imagination has terrible spelling |
| 18:28.22 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 18:28.39 | Hobinheim | you're not a wiki admin... nor are you a server admin, are you? |
| 18:28.46 | Hobinheim | are you a Higher Power? Like the Naaru? |
| 18:28.48 | Cairenn | nope |
| 18:28.52 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:29.03 | Cairenn | yell at Kirkburn when next he's around ;) |
| 18:29.04 | Hobinheim | port me to the Emerald Dream |
| 18:30.24 | Cairenn | I can port people to all kinds of dreams, I'm not sure whether they are emerald or not though ;) |
| 18:31.14 | Celebron | RUBY |
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| 18:53.42 | Kaso | Who's Triple Tech |
| 18:54.13 | Hobinheim | huh? |
| 18:54.42 | Kaso | One of the admins goes by the name Triple Tech on sa, who is it :> |
| 18:55.07 | Hobinheim | sa? |
| 18:55.18 | Kaso | Somethingawfufl |
| 18:55.22 | Hobinheim | he must like chrono trigger |
| 18:55.43 | Hobinheim | is that the site that <Goon Squad> is from? |
| 18:55.52 | Kaso | Yah |
| 18:56.09 | Kaso | theres about 10 differnt goon squads now but yes |
| 18:57.09 | Hobinheim | so why're you looking for this triple tech character |
| 18:57.26 | Kaso | i was just curious as to who it was |
| 18:57.40 | Kaso | hes trying to dump up some goon support for wowwiki |
| 18:57.40 | Hobinheim | ugh i'm bored |
| 18:57.47 | Hobinheim | next time you should try opening up with the secret handshake |
| 18:57.48 | Hobinheim | i'm triple tech |
| 18:57.51 | Hobinheim | whatchu want |
| 18:57.54 | Kaso | haha |
| 18:58.02 | Hobinheim | are you a goon? |
| 18:58.04 | Kaso | only nerds do that |
| 18:58.11 | Kaso | how else would i know? |
| 18:58.16 | Hobinheim | ... |
| 18:58.18 | Hobinheim | i dunno. |
| 18:58.20 | Hobinheim | haha |
| 18:58.26 | Hobinheim | so what do you think? good idea? |
| 18:58.43 | Kaso | yah i think so |
| 18:59.05 | Hobinheim | although one of the posters was like good effort is kinda eh |
| 18:59.08 | Hobinheim | i could see that happening |
| 18:59.11 | Hobinheim | great idea no follow thru |
| 19:01.57 | Hobinheim | well, if you have any suggestions at all, please let me know |
| 19:02.04 | Hobinheim | i do it for the kids |
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| 19:16.53 | Hobinheim | Kirkburn|afk, who's Cairenn? |
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| 19:17.26 | Kirkburn|afk | You're asking me who Cairenn, who is in this channel, is? |
| 19:17.35 | Hobinheim | yeah |
| 19:17.42 | Cairenn | I already told you, I'm nobody :p |
| 19:17.43 | Hobinheim | it told me to go bug you about it |
| 19:17.51 | Cairenn | it? IT?! |
| 19:17.51 | Kirkburn|afk | "She" |
| 19:17.55 | Kirkburn|afk | \o/ |
| 19:18.20 | Cairenn | (proof enough I'm female?) |
| 19:18.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Ever a violent woman ... |
| 19:18.31 | Hobinheim | with user names, you never know |
| 19:18.35 | Cairenn | Kirkburn|afk, baby, you know you love it |
| 19:18.40 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
| 19:18.46 | Hobinheim | ... |
| 19:18.52 | Hobinheim | lemme guess, you're double boxing a woman |
| 19:18.54 | Hobinheim | look, i won't judge |
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| 19:19.21 | Cairenn | shall I take pity on him? |
| 19:19.44 | Kirkburn|afk | If you want a hint, note where I tell people with UI questions to go ... =) |
| 19:19.44 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/index.php? |
| 19:19.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh don't be too obvious now, eh? :P |
| 19:19.56 | Cairenn | heh |
| 19:20.08 | Hobinheim | so you're one of *them* |
| 19:20.20 | Hobinheim | but why ops her in here? |
| 19:20.26 | Cairenn | honestly, though Hobinheim, I don't know why he made a channel admin either, I've still yet to get a straight answer out of him |
| 19:20.32 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 19:20.33 | Cairenn | made me* |
| 19:20.41 | Hobinheim | helping with duties i guess |
| 19:20.46 | Cairenn | other than I'm just so damn sexy |
| 19:20.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Well mostly that |
| 19:21.03 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 19:21.31 | Kirkburn|afk | But possibly also cause I know I can trust you :) But mostly the other thing, really. |
| 19:21.42 | Cairenn | (and if you really think I've got that high an opinion of myself, you *definitely* don't know me) |
| 19:22.07 | Hobinheim | if one day all the wowwiki admins weren't present, and the chatroom needed a champion to wield the [Ban Hammer], the responsibility would fall to you |
| 19:22.25 | Hobinheim | well now that i have Kirkburn|afk on the phone... |
| 19:22.31 | Hobinheim | i'm trying to get goons feedback on the wowwiki |
| 19:22.36 | Hobinheim | pretty intresting how people feel abou tit |
| 19:22.41 | Cairenn | Kirkburn|afk: you can? right, of course you can! I have the power! muwahahaha *cough*hack*choke*wheeze* |
| 19:22.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Aye, I was worried when the channel started that we wouldn't have enough ops, but we do now :) |
| 19:23.04 | Bagginsww | Hey kirkburn... I got a strange message from Angry Ogre in my talk page yesterday. About how I was adding "My propaganda" to Drek'thar's article |
| 19:23.16 | Cairenn | okay, poofing again now ;) |
| 19:23.24 | Bagginsww | and he removed valid cited information form drek'thar article |
| 19:23.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Byee |
| 19:23.28 | Hobinheim | i like to refer to it as ninja vanishing |
| 19:23.38 | Hobinheim | oh yeah so question about goon help... |
| 19:23.42 | Bagginsww | I don't want to institgate an edit war so I didn't touch anything |
| 19:23.46 | Bagginsww | thought you could sort it out |
| 19:23.47 | Cairenn | I'm female, I'm allowed to poof ;) |
| 19:23.52 | Hobinheim | two things. one, what mechanisms do we have in flagging out of date content |
| 19:23.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Why do I bother with the afk tag, eh? :) |
| 19:24.02 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 19:24.04 | Hobinheim | two, how do we denote what's strategy and what's "Fact" |
| 19:24.19 | Thrae | Weee. 2nd change to the wiki, ever. |
| 19:24.25 | Kirkburn|afk | grats |
| 19:24.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Bagginsww, I'll take a look later |
| 19:24.33 | Cairenn | hey Thrae :) |
| 19:24.42 | Cairenn | oh, right, I'm not here |
| 19:24.46 | Bagginsww | k thanks |
| 19:24.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Who isn't here? Why are the trees talking to me? |
| 19:25.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Atm I've just got back from a trip home and a 5:30am start |
| 19:26.01 | Kirkburn|afk | And a 7:30am run in a very cold forest. All the fun of a faire today! =) |
| 19:26.02 | Thrae | Hmmm, now all pages on the wiki say, "Error 506 -- Badly formed entry. Please make sure no one messed with your wiki core." |
| 19:26.10 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 19:26.12 | Hobinheim | great... |
| 19:26.16 | Hobinheim | i don't get that |
| 19:26.19 | Hobinheim | link? |
| 19:26.25 | Hobinheim | and server issues we probably can't deal with |
| 19:26.31 | Thrae | Heh, kidding. I know how to edit a wiki ;) |
| 19:26.39 | Hobinheim | jerk =( |
| 19:26.46 | Bagginsww | made it to level 64 last night. |
| 19:27.12 | Bagginsww | almost done with most of the quests in zangermarsh, at least the ones I could find |
| 19:27.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Hobinheim, out of date content either gets a 'removed from game' tag, or just gets removed |
| 19:27.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Or a accuracy flag |
| 19:28.02 | Hobinheim | i need to find or create something obvious, but low barrier of entry |
| 19:28.05 | Kirkburn|afk | For strategy/fact, we use our common sense. :P |
| 19:28.08 | Hobinheim | i dunno i'll mull over it for a while |
| 19:28.32 | Bagginsww | somethings are moved but not removed. so we we jsut mention the history right? If its part of game's story progression. |
| 19:28.41 | Kirkburn|afk | It should be the case on all mob articles that strategy is under a strategy heading |
| 19:28.49 | Hobinheim | ok |
| 19:28.54 | Hobinheim | right that makes a lot of sense |
| 19:28.59 | Hobinheim | or under a "tactics" aritcle |
| 19:29.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Like Kruul and Kazzak |
| 19:29.10 | Hobinheim | like kelthuzad tactics |
| 19:29.37 | Kirkburn|afk | The 'history' of those should be retained |
| 19:29.56 | Kirkburn|afk | (not the full strats of course, that would be silly) |
| 19:30.03 | Hobinheim | ? |
| 19:30.24 | Kirkburn|afk | I was responding to Bagginsww :) |
| 19:30.32 | Hobinheim | blerr |
| 19:30.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Hobinheim, yes, if it's a long tactics sections it should be moved out |
| 19:31.09 | Kirkburn|afk | But only if it's really long, no point overcomplicating things |
| 19:31.56 | Bagginsww | ya kirk. |
| 19:32.33 | Kirkburn|afk | If people can't tell the difference between kill strats and real lore, they need their heads checked :) |
| 19:32.53 | Bagginsww | as it is I personally wish stuff that we have designated under "lore" pages were primaary over what is in the main page :p |
| 19:33.23 | Bagginsww | like "druid lore" under druid, and druid class information elsewhere :p |
| 19:33.26 | Kirkburn|afk | The only relevant note, I guess, is that a WoW kill is not neccessarily 'real' |
| 19:33.36 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 19:33.43 | Bagginsww | or at least not in the order that it occurs |
| 19:33.55 | Bagginsww | level progression is not the same as chronological progression |
| 19:33.57 | Kirkburn|afk | indeed |
| 19:34.27 | Bagginsww | I'm sure the events will happen, unless there are two conflicting accoutns in both horde and alliance paths. |
| 19:34.44 | Bagginsww | but they just haven't been confirmed as of yet |
| 19:34.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Well, look at WC1 and WC2 - they were confliciting accounts :) |
| 19:35.07 | Kirkburn|afk | *conflicting |
| 19:35.27 | Bagginsww | actually at least 75% of warcraft 1 weren't exactly conflictin and were seperate missions that occured int he same timeline |
| 19:35.36 | Kirkburn|afk | WC1 was mostly won by the orcs, WC2 mostly by the humans in the end, no? |
| 19:35.47 | Bagginsww | and 90% of wc2 interweave except like the last act |
| 19:35.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Really? I should replay them |
| 19:36.10 | Bagginsww | ya run both a horde campaign and human campaign at the same time |
| 19:36.14 | Bagginsww | you'll see how they link up |
| 19:36.23 | Bagginsww | I was surprised |
| 19:36.36 | Bagginsww | it get ssketcy by the last chapter however |
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| 19:36.55 | Bagginsww | since both ultimately lead to destruction of the other forces |
| 19:37.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Almost finished RotH now :) |
| 19:37.21 | Bagginsww | its good eh? |
| 19:37.25 | Kirkburn|afk | very |
| 19:37.41 | Bagginsww | a few things that make you go huh, cause she didn't go into parts of the history we know were established elswhere |
| 19:37.55 | Bagginsww | there are some things in BC she never touched on that are important to the history |
| 19:38.05 | Bagginsww | like arrakoa involvement |
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| 19:38.29 | Bagginsww | the orcs declared genicide on pretty much every race |
| 19:38.33 | Kirkburn|afk | It's a pity they couldn't make a retcon about Thrall being vivid green for no real reason |
| 19:38.35 | Bagginsww | if they couldn't adapt them |
| 19:38.46 | Bagginsww | it must be geneitic |
| 19:38.55 | Bagginsww | parents were muteated drastically |
| 19:39.02 | Kirkburn|afk | It would have made sense for him to be a dull shade or even still brown, but it'd be too weird to change |
| 19:39.03 | Bagginsww | whole genome change |
| 19:39.17 | Bagginsww | well orgrim is fully green in later times |
| 19:39.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Why would Durotan have been changed though? |
| 19:39.27 | Bagginsww | and durotan too |
| 19:39.40 | Bagginsww | it was just being next to magic |
| 19:39.42 | Bagginsww | apparently |
| 19:39.45 | Bagginsww | it took longer for them |
| 19:39.48 | Kirkburn|afk | Wizards did it =) |
| 19:39.50 | Bagginsww | but they ultimately were corrupted as well. |
| 19:39.52 | kazurk | when is hyjal, zul aman, CoT etc opening? |
| 19:40.00 | Kirkburn|afk | CoT is open |
| 19:40.00 | Bagginsww | just not to a point they could be controlled by the evil |
| 19:40.09 | kazurk | what about the others? |
| 19:40.10 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 19:40.15 | Bagginsww | Zul'aman is a later patch its not in game |
| 19:40.24 | Bagginsww | hyjal may be on the backburner for a while |
| 19:40.28 | Bagginsww | with COT hyjal |
| 19:40.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Non CoT Hyjal is closed for the near future |
| 19:40.48 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 19:41.19 | Kirkburn|afk | CoT Hyjal I have no idea about, it's either in, or coming v soon |
| 19:41.33 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 19:41.45 | _and | Hi all... |
| 19:41.54 | _and | I am not a proper wow player |
| 19:42.04 | Kirkburn|afk | hullo |
| 19:42.11 | Bagginsww | but ya kirkburn all new born orcs can be born with shades varying from greyish brown to green apparently |
| 19:42.11 | _and | but I was looking for some technical informations about scripting |
| 19:42.21 | Kirkburn|afk | UI scripting? |
| 19:42.28 | _and | not properly... |
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| 19:42.52 | kazurk | what about karazhan? |
| 19:42.52 | _and | the question is: can you make an http request to an external server from the game client |
| 19:42.54 | Bagginsww | OH draenei in BC I'm impressed how opinions of lost ones and broken are presented by various people |
| 19:42.58 | Bagginsww | some see them all as draenei |
| 19:43.03 | Bagginsww | others see them as less than draenei |
| 19:43.04 | kazurk | and the other instance in tanaris |
| 19:43.05 | Kirkburn|afk | _and, pretty sure you can't |
| 19:43.14 | Bagginsww | others see them not draenei at all |
| 19:43.35 | _and | Kirkburn|afk: this is sad... |
| 19:43.35 | Kirkburn|afk | The game is intended to be a sandbox as much as possible, cut off from the 'outside world' |
| 19:43.47 | Bagginsww | shows a true earth mechanic to bias |
| 19:43.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Bot prevention, mainly |
| 19:43.51 | _and | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.57 | Bagginsww | bigotry |
| 19:44.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Karazhan is in |
| 19:44.20 | _and | but what about this thing:http://www.thottbot.com/?p=about |
| 19:44.25 | Bagginsww | kharazan is in ,but the crypt under it isn't |
| 19:44.37 | Kirkburn|afk | kazurk, we have a WoWWiki for a reason - it's on the Burning Crusade info page |
| 19:45.02 | Kirkburn|afk | (and the south Tanaris oen isn't in yet, I forget the name - Uldum?) |
| 19:45.13 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 19:45.20 | Bagginsww | gilneas isn't in either |
| 19:45.30 | Bagginsww | or emerald dream |
| 19:45.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Thottbot uses Saved Variables files which are created when you log out of a game |
| 19:45.43 | kazurk | just figured id ask here, since my other screen is busy |
| 19:45.47 | Bagginsww | although there is some aras of emerald dream in some form n the files |
| 19:45.52 | Kirkburn|afk | kazurk, np :P |
| 19:46.27 | _and | Kirkburn|afk: so you can at least write to a file? |
| 19:46.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, you can save in-game information to a file |
| 19:47.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Nearly all addons rely on it |
| 19:47.06 | _and | Ok |
| 19:47.24 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm going back to being afk now |
| 19:47.25 | _and | Where can I start to document myself about scripting? |
| 19:47.36 | Kirkburn|afk | _and, I recommend #wowi-lounge |
| 19:47.52 | _and | ok... |
| 19:47.54 | Kirkburn|afk | And the WoWWiki Interface pages, of course |
| 19:47.59 | Bagginsww | oh and kirkburn fungal giants, I think all refrences to them being elemetnals need to be scrapped. I havne't found one elemental fungal giant. |
| 19:48.02 | Bagginsww | they are all listed as giant |
| 19:48.07 | Bagginsww | were they elementals in beta? |
| 19:48.22 | Kirkburn|afk | no idea |
| 19:48.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Probably not |
| 19:48.42 | Bagginsww | someone listed them under "elemental" |
| 19:48.44 | Bagginsww | for some reason |
| 19:49.08 | Bagginsww | going to flat it with accuracy |
| 19:49.25 | _and | Kirkburn|afk: thanks for those tips.. |
| 19:49.33 | _and | Have a good day.. |
| 19:54.10 | Bagginsww | oh btw kirkburn, probably no way we can win against that vote to make wowwiki be decided on by fan opinions of canon, rather than having no opinion at all |
| 19:54.34 | Bagginsww | more people that vote against it, more people will vote that fan opinons should be considered more valid |
| 19:54.58 | Bagginsww | its a flawed poll |
| 19:55.18 | Bagginsww | concept is flawed to begin with and weighted towards the fanon community |
| 19:55.53 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Policy/Writing/Lore |
| 20:02.03 | Bagginsww | just flagged fungal giants in elemental section with fact check |
| 20:03.00 | Bagginsww | also flagged fungal giant |
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| 20:03.36 | Bagginsww | ooh ragestorm and angry ogre got into an edit war |
| 20:03.48 | Bagginsww | over the drek'thar article |
| 20:03.55 | Bagginsww | glad to see he was keeping an eye open |
| 20:11.32 | Bagginsww | I'm glad I didn't instigate an edit war :p |
| 20:11.55 | Bagginsww | seems to work better when I let you guys keep track of that sort of thing |
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| 20:24.38 | Celebron | nothing like your internet dying right before youre about to kill a boss in an instance |
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| 20:26.25 | equiraptor | Bad 'net! |
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| 20:48.38 | Hobinheim | what's a good cat name for articles that are out of date |
| 20:48.41 | Hobinheim | sounds too long |
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| 21:01.45 | Bagginsww | hobin the only issue I have with the new badge idea, is that info that current templates say about lore is for neutrality sake. I was aksed by ragestorm to make sure every source had its own template all worded the same |
| 21:02.28 | Bagginsww | this way we show that sources are all equal sources of lore, and that not all sources necessarily cover the same material |
| 21:02.37 | Hobinheim | wait what? |
| 21:02.46 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Getting_rid_of_ugly_templates |
| 21:02.50 | Bagginsww | referring to that |
| 21:02.50 | Hobinheim | are you talking about the badge i'm making right now? |
| 21:02.52 | Hobinheim | oh |
| 21:02.58 | Bagginsww | discussion there |
| 21:03.27 | Bagginsww | well what I"m saying is if we change the badge for one we need to change the badge for all |
| 21:03.32 | Hobinheim | i don'tnecessarily follow |
| 21:03.47 | Bagginsww | ok you know what the current template structure is right? |
| 21:03.58 | Bagginsww | each one that says, "this may not be found in other sources of lore" |
| 21:03.58 | Hobinheim | not anything related to lore |
| 21:04.07 | Hobinheim | link me plz |
| 21:04.38 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:BC |
| 21:05.07 | Hobinheim | ok... |
| 21:05.14 | Bagginsww | basically every "lore" template has the the line, It contains information which may not be found in other sources of lore. |
| 21:05.37 | Hobinheim | what other lore templates do we have? |
| 21:05.44 | Bagginsww | one for WoW |
| 21:05.51 | Bagginsww | one for Wacraft III and its expansion |
| 21:05.55 | Bagginsww | one for novels/short stories |
| 21:06.06 | Bagginsww | one for warcraft battle.net edition |
| 21:06.09 | Bagginsww | one for tcg |
| 21:06.15 | Bagginsww | one for warcraft I |
| 21:06.16 | Hobinheim | hmm... |
| 21:06.20 | Hobinheim | i see... |
| 21:06.28 | Hobinheim | i dunno i've never really been a super stickler for lore |
| 21:06.33 | Hobinheim | so what's your concern |
| 21:06.35 | Hobinheim | to reiterate |
| 21:06.47 | Bagginsww | basically that if we change the BC template and remove that line |
| 21:06.57 | Bagginsww | that it needs to apply to all of the templates |
| 21:07.07 | Hobinheim | not necessarily |
| 21:07.09 | Bagginsww | we are trying to treat all sources of lore as neutral as possible |
| 21:07.14 | Hobinheim | oh ic.. |
| 21:07.24 | Bagginsww | we very well know some people ignore certain aspects |
| 21:07.28 | Bagginsww | that's their choice |
| 21:07.36 | Bagginsww | but we aren't trying to influence people |
| 21:07.37 | Hobinheim | what? really? |
| 21:08.03 | Bagginsww | well ya let's take warcraft III for example blizzard had short one sentence lore tidbits for each multiplayer map |
| 21:08.09 | Bagginsww | not everyone is going to accept that of course right? |
| 21:08.24 | Bagginsww | *well not every multiplayer map of course |
| 21:08.27 | Bagginsww | but many |
| 21:08.37 | Hobinheim | ic your concern i guess |
| 21:08.46 | Bagginsww | so the warning was to allow people to know that it has a unique one source refrence |
| 21:08.48 | Hobinheim | my desire for more sexy templates is really putting me at an uhhh position |
| 21:08.52 | Bagginsww | and isn't necessraily gong to show up elsewhere |
| 21:09.10 | Hobinheim | do you really need that lore warning? |
| 21:09.20 | Hobinheim | "This content may be exclusive to __domain__." |
| 21:09.35 | Bagginsww | aparently according to fandy and rage we do |
| 21:09.42 | Hobinheim | really... |
| 21:09.44 | Bagginsww | it all started over people's hatred of the RPG books |
| 21:09.59 | Bagginsww | and some to the manga apparently |
| 21:09.59 | Hobinheim | do you have a link to that discussion? |
| 21:10.08 | Bagginsww | this was 2 years ago |
| 21:10.11 | Bagginsww | don't remember where it was |
| 21:10.12 | Hobinheim | hahaha |
| 21:10.17 | Hobinheim | you were around that long? |
| 21:10.21 | Bagginsww | fandy created the rpg one first |
| 21:10.26 | Bagginsww | well about 2 years ago |
| 21:10.33 | Bagginsww | a little less I think |
| 21:10.40 | Bagginsww | not sure on exact time |
| 21:10.42 | Hobinheim | well, time to change |
| 21:10.46 | Bagginsww | I existed as a lurker before that |
| 21:10.59 | Bagginsww | well I'm just saying if you change it for one change it for all |
| 21:11.05 | Hobinheim | i'm guessing the link to village pump you gave me doesn't encompass this discussion |
| 21:11.07 | Bagginsww | treat everything as neutral as possible |
| 21:11.12 | Bagginsww | ya it doesnt |
| 21:11.29 | Hobinheim | so what do you think of my comtribution |
| 21:11.32 | Bagginsww | I know where zeal si coming from he wishes everything was treated as just lore, and shouldn't have a warning |
| 21:11.34 | Hobinheim | minus what fandy and rage said |
| 21:11.35 | Bagginsww | let people decide for themselves |
| 21:12.07 | Hobinheim | i'm in favor of whatever will help us ninja the templates |
| 21:12.13 | Hobinheim | so basically what zeal and tekkub are suggesting |
| 21:12.22 | Hobinheim | i don't think that lore warning is at all necessary |
| 21:12.24 | Bagginsww | can you link me to yoru version? |
| 21:12.47 | Tekkub | nandayo? |
| 21:12.47 | Hobinheim | it makes the badge so heavy |
| 21:12.47 | Hobinheim | tek, don't tell me you have beeping on like adis |
| 21:12.52 | Tekkub | duh, with 6 channels it's kinda needed |
| 21:12.54 | Hobinheim | or maybe you just have a responder script that says nandayo every time i type out your name |
| 21:13.06 | Hobinheim | forget it, i'm never saying your name either |
| 21:13.10 | Hobinheim | you guys and your crazy beepers |
| 21:13.15 | Hobinheim | wtf other channels are you in anyway |
| 21:13.25 | Tekkub | it's a simple concept, you need me you say my name |
| 21:13.35 | Tekkub | ones for addon devs |
| 21:13.44 | Hobinheim | what do you think of my {{old}} templte |
| 21:13.58 | Bagginsww | but ya hobin basically anytime I ever quoted info from an RPG and it didn't even have to be for the questionable appendix III |
| 21:14.00 | Bagginsww | people would complain |
| 21:14.03 | Hobinheim | i'm back and forth between "old" and "ood" |
| 21:14.12 | Hobinheim | maybe i should change it to ood... |
| 21:14.21 | Bagginsww | so basically fandy made the original RPG template |
| 21:14.32 | Tekkub | how about {{Out of date}} |
| 21:14.35 | Bagginsww | and forces its existence on every player |
| 21:14.37 | Hobinheim | too long |
| 21:14.39 | Bagginsww | *page |
| 21:14.40 | Bagginsww | I mean |
| 21:14.45 | Tekkub | I don't see why the name has to be tiny and lowercase |
| 21:14.45 | Hobinheim | something ninja and low barrier of entr |
| 21:14.53 | Bagginsww | he also made one for the manga |
| 21:14.54 | Hobinheim | to make editing faster and more convenient |
| 21:15.02 | Tekkub | simple but descriptive names, with spaces, are fine |
| 21:15.03 | Hobinheim | goons are complaining that it's too hard. so i wanna make it as easy as possible |
| 21:15.44 | Bagginsww | hobin can you link to your new badge? |
| 21:15.50 | Hobinheim | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Old |
| 21:15.54 | Hobinheim | i'm moving it to ood |
| 21:15.59 | Hobinheim | it's the same as zeal's template |
| 21:16.24 | Bagginsww | I see |
| 21:16.36 | Bagginsww | is it for lore or just removed material? |
| 21:16.48 | Hobinheim | neither |
| 21:16.52 | Hobinheim | it's for out of date facts |
| 21:17.08 | Bagginsww | hmm, change the end to "may be out of date |
| 21:17.12 | Hobinheim | like rexxar is in the barrens (ood) |
| 21:17.23 | Bagginsww | oh that was actually historically correct |
| 21:17.29 | Bagginsww | he's just moved on |
| 21:17.43 | Hobinheim | historical accuracy isn't what the badge is about |
| 21:17.49 | Hobinheim | it's for like... flat out wrong info |
| 21:17.49 | Hobinheim | hmm |
| 21:17.57 | Hobinheim | soul link is 30% dmg absorb (ood) |
| 21:18.01 | Hobinheim | now it got changed to 20 |
| 21:18.02 | Tekkub | Flag seems like a better name |
| 21:18.04 | Bagginsww | well I mean if someone said he's currently in barrens that would b wrong |
| 21:18.14 | Hobinheim | well yeah |
| 21:18.21 | Bagginsww | but if its an article about history |
| 21:18.26 | Hobinheim | yeah that's diff obviously |
| 21:18.36 | Tekkub | uh, rexxar was never in the barrens |
| 21:18.40 | Tekkub | so you're all wrong |
| 21:18.40 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 21:18.43 | Hobinheim | lol w/e |
| 21:18.46 | Hobinheim | where was he? |
| 21:18.49 | Hobinheim | at your mom's house? |
| 21:18.56 | Tekkub | he was in Desolace |
| 21:19.00 | Bagginsww | He was in durotar in warcraft III |
| 21:19.07 | Bagginsww | and a few other places LOL |
| 21:19.09 | Hobinheim | desolace... |
| 21:19.13 | Hobinheim | which one is that... |
| 21:19.16 | Hobinheim | never remember =( |
| 21:19.24 | Hobinheim | the one with the centaurs right |
| 21:19.30 | Tekkub | the one with no life, like 2/3 of kalimdor |
| 21:19.33 | Bagginsww | he traveled between desolace, stone talon and feralas pre-patch 2.01 |
| 21:19.54 | Hobinheim | oh |
| 21:20.09 | Bagginsww | but lore progression is that he's returned to outland |
| 21:20.25 | Bagginsww | one of the few elements of progression in WoW |
| 21:20.33 | Hobinheim | i want to punch their non existant intern |
| 21:20.46 | Bagginsww | though personaly I would have low level version of him in azeroth and uber version in outland ;) |
| 21:20.55 | Bagginsww | to allow progression for the players new to the game |
| 21:20.57 | Hobinheim | that makes no sense tho |
| 21:21.09 | Bagginsww | well there is quest progression |
| 21:21.16 | Bagginsww | if one story mehtined what he was doing in azeroht |
| 21:21.23 | Bagginsww | and a later quest discussions how he's heading ot outland |
| 21:21.30 | Bagginsww | it would have allowed for a better flow of the story |
| 21:21.34 | LeJerk | <LeJerk> i just pade this page: http://www.wowwiki.com/Gloves_of_Holy_Might |
| 21:21.34 | LeJerk | <LeJerk> where do i find the page of the "equip" links |
| 21:21.34 | LeJerk | <LeJerk> i see the page Category:Spells by ID, but i don't know the id |
| 21:21.41 | Bagginsww | as it is its actually altered some quest stories |
| 21:21.47 | Bagginsww | any that originally involved him |
| 21:21.56 | Bagginsww | but now you go to someone else |
| 21:22.10 | Hobinheim | oh well |
| 21:22.18 | Hobinheim | who do you go to, some schmoe? |
| 21:22.26 | Bagginsww | and yet he was historically supposed to have been there doing same kind of thing according to other surces. |
| 21:22.47 | Hobinheim | what's he doing on the other side of the gate btw? |
| 21:22.54 | Tekkub | streaking |
| 21:22.55 | Bagginsww | apparently heard of his family |
| 21:23.04 | Bagginsww | and returning to them |
| 21:23.12 | Hobinheim | tek, you wish |
| 21:23.13 | Bagginsww | I don't have a horde character though |
| 21:23.14 | Hobinheim | you really, really wish |
| 21:23.16 | Tekkub | yes, yes i do |
| 21:23.20 | Bagginsww | so don't know for sure |
| 21:23.29 | Hobinheim | actually, i have a confession to make |
| 21:23.33 | Hobinheim | the blood elves.. are just... |
| 21:23.36 | Hobinheim | :swoon: |
| 21:23.38 | Tekkub | fucking gay? |
| 21:23.42 | Hobinheim | so. guilty. |
| 21:23.46 | Hobinheim | fuck yeah they're gay |
| 21:23.49 | Hobinheim | gay as a gaybird |
| 21:23.49 | Tekkub | I hate the BEs |
| 21:24.01 | Hobinheim | arcane torrent is like fairy dust |
| 21:24.04 | Bagginsww | but ya its really a strange kind of progression, moving characters and just switching quest storylines to other characters. they could have just removed the quests altogether LOL |
| 21:24.18 | Bagginsww | or left two versions of the character |
| 21:24.28 | Hobinheim | two versions makes less sense |
| 21:24.29 | Bagginsww | its not like we don't see onyxia in two places |
| 21:24.34 | Hobinheim | you do? |
| 21:24.43 | Bagginsww | overworld and her dungeon |
| 21:24.50 | Bagginsww | seperate instances |
| 21:25.17 | Tekkub | yea they could adapt the desolace one so that he hints you'll meet him again over there |
| 21:25.23 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 21:25.48 | Tekkub | or take Thrall, does he actually leave orgrimmar when that one quest scene happens? |
| 21:25.52 | Bagginsww | nope |
| 21:25.57 | Tekkub | exactly |
| 21:26.12 | Bagginsww | I don't think jaian leaves the tower either |
| 21:26.21 | Bagginsww | *jaina |
| 21:26.25 | Tekkub | as long as a single player doesn't encounter two of the same guy at once it's all "logical" |
| 21:26.27 | Bagginsww | when she goes out to fight |
| 21:26.32 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 21:26.44 | Bagginsww | its impossible to be in two places at the same time |
| 21:26.45 | Bagginsww | with the same character |
| 21:26.50 | Tekkub | or like nessingwary, they flat out moved him too didn't they? |
| 21:26.54 | Bagginsww | yep |
| 21:27.02 | Bagginsww | and what's his name Nazgrel |
| 21:27.06 | Hobinheim | tek, do you have a message you'd like to pass onto the wow goons |
| 21:27.10 | Bagginsww | moved the characters but not the quests |
| 21:27.11 | Hobinheim | concerning the direction of wowwiki? |
| 21:27.19 | Hobinheim | inquiring minds ask |
| 21:27.29 | Tekkub | yes, please make more ursine creatures that wear thongs |
| 21:27.37 | Bagginsww | nessingwayr's son claims eh's continquing what his father once did |
| 21:27.45 | Hobinheim | tek, go play in a hellfire |
| 21:27.46 | Bagginsww | and yet hte quest is exactly the same LOL |
| 21:28.34 | Tekkub | lesse... "the direstion of wow wiki" |
| 21:28.35 | Tekkub | hrm... |
| 21:28.47 | Tekkub | frankly, we need the datamining aspect in the page |
| 21:28.49 | Hobinheim | i was gonna mention our item database plan |
| 21:29.10 | Bagginsww | I'm also not a big fan of one time events LOL I wish they would occasionally repeat them for fun |
| 21:29.12 | Tekkub | if we had easy means of embedding items or NPCs or quests, the wiki could be very nice |
| 21:29.36 | Tekkub | yea lke the undead "invation" I thought that was supposed to be repeating |
| 21:29.37 | Bagginsww | obviously it would be very hard to repeat the opning of the gate event as long as the orignal occurance |
| 21:29.56 | Bagginsww | but they could shorten it to a one week thing |
| 21:30.03 | Bagginsww | close the gate for a week |
| 21:30.11 | Bagginsww | and open it at the end |
| 21:30.18 | Tekkub | nah, they learned that the gate opening was a bad idea |
| 21:30.28 | Bagginsww | well it crashed everythign LOL |
| 21:30.29 | Hobinheim | why was it a bad idea? |
| 21:30.34 | Bagginsww | lag issues |
| 21:30.38 | Bagginsww | everyone in one spot |
| 21:30.49 | Bagginsww | and horde and alliance breaking out int wars |
| 21:30.50 | Bagginsww | with each other |
| 21:30.53 | Tekkub | it locks player out of content, lag, effects on the market... |
| 21:30.55 | Bagginsww | so too much going on at once |
| 21:31.05 | Tekkub | it was a neat idea, but it didn't really work out well |
| 21:31.07 | Bagginsww | however opening of the portal was similar |
| 21:31.14 | Tekkub | how was it? |
| 21:31.20 | Bagginsww | most of it occured at the portal |
| 21:31.28 | Bagginsww | so only 60's could reach it |
| 21:31.33 | Tekkub | they added one stupid pidly quest and spawned kruul everywhere to rape people |
| 21:31.35 | Bagginsww | well 55+ |
| 21:31.49 | Bagginsww | gate even toccured all over hte world |
| 21:31.57 | Bagginsww | only 55+ could reach the actual gate |
| 21:32.06 | Bagginsww | but crystals spawned all over |
| 21:32.34 | Tekkub | well, okey, the gate even they spread out, yes |
| 21:32.36 | Bagginsww | only big difference was that gate event actually changed the mob structures where they crystals appeared |
| 21:32.50 | Bagginsww | so you couldnj't do the regular quests |
| 21:32.53 | Tekkub | but it was basically a pointless divertion to shut us up for a few days before launch :) |
| 21:33.00 | Tekkub | there was no good poin tto it |
| 21:33.16 | Bagginsww | but still I would love to see a toned down repeated version of it |
| 21:33.42 | Bagginsww | allow a chance to try to defeat the big bug bosses again |
| 21:33.55 | Tekkub | yea the bosses should still happen on a semi-random basis |
| 21:34.15 | Tekkub | spawn the boss near each city, seperatly, once a month, randomly |
| 21:34.22 | Bagginsww | and I also don't like the idea of one time only items :p like legendary mount :p |
| 21:34.32 | Tekkub | and make em a 70 raid boss with nice gear |
| 21:34.36 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 21:34.39 | Tekkub | since it'd be really rare |
| 21:34.39 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 21:34.53 | Bagginsww | make the cyrstals sprout every now and then |
| 21:35.14 | Bagginsww | Id idn't stay up for the whole opening event |
| 21:35.22 | Bagginsww | they opened it in the middle of the night :p |
| 21:35.28 | Bagginsww | I had been awake all day |
| 21:35.36 | Bagginsww | i heard near the last hour there was a huge scripted event? |
| 21:36.06 | Bagginsww | with the NPC forces for CH making a push towards the gate? |
| 21:36.21 | Tekkub | dunno wasn't really there.. lag |
| 21:36.31 | Tekkub | and lack of interest in general I guess |
| 21:37.08 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 21:37.20 | Bagginsww | I was taking a math class at the time and couldn't afford to stay up all night |
| 21:37.53 | Bagginsww | that and all mobs were being taken by the rest of the players |
| 21:38.02 | Bagginsww | not to mention a huge war break out caused by the horde |
| 21:38.13 | Bagginsww | they were attacking hte scepter holder throughout the day |
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| 21:44.27 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Dark%27han_Drathir |
| 21:44.39 | Bagginsww | I don't know I prefer official artwork over WOW versions |
| 21:44.43 | Bagginsww | in templatebox |
| 21:44.58 | Bagginsww | since artwork si often a more accurate portrayal |
| 21:45.07 | Bagginsww | since most of the time models are all clones |
| 21:45.18 | Bagginsww | what do you think? |
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