| 00:05.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Added notes to all of http://www.wowwiki.com/Zone |
| 00:10.54 | kaso | this page needs updating to use the TBC formulas, but im too lazy, make one of your peons do it kirkburn : http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Damage_reduction |
| 00:17.34 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 00:17.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyone? :) |
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| 00:37.59 | Bagginsww | hmm so collassi might not be native to Outland? |
| 00:38.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Not sure, I know the quest you're talking about though |
| 00:38.41 | Bagginsww | just found a quest where they are talking about a strange red crystal that fell from the sky, and out of it colassi arose where there were none. |
| 00:38.47 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 00:38.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Mini collossi! :D |
| 00:39.12 | Bagginsww | and it calls them "mountain giants" |
| 00:39.25 | Kirkburn|afk | What does? |
| 00:41.48 | kaso | Bagginsww thats a chain, it explains more as it goes on |
| 00:43.10 | Kirkburn|afk | kaso, do you remember the rest of it? I remember doing it, but not exactly what was said |
| 00:43.53 | kaso | Spoiler warning :> |
| 00:44.45 | kaso | I believe when you start to do that "removal" spell a servent of illydan comes and tries to stop you |
| 00:44.48 | kaso | iirc |
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| 00:48.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah yes, think so |
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| 01:05.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Weird, I can't increase the number of sound channels |
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| 01:45.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Why do people not loot everything off boars?! Argh! |
| 01:46.07 | Kirkburn|afk | I only wanna skin them :P |
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| 01:56.24 | MatthewS | for the same reason that i auto-target warlock pets in pvp, i'm not feeling nice. |
| 01:57.45 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 01:57.51 | equiraptor | Well, there's a queue on Whisperwind again. I hope that means it's stable. |
| 01:57.52 | Kirkburn|afk | <-- warlock |
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| 02:35.57 | Deathface | so... does anyone have the flying mount yet? |
| 02:35.59 | Deathface | ;) |
| 02:36.41 | kaso | in this channel, or in general |
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| 02:45.42 | equiraptor | Oh no. I've been playing WoW too long. |
| 02:45.48 | equiraptor | I can't remember which boat I'm on. |
| 02:45.55 | kilheim | lol |
| 02:46.18 | equiraptor | Yay, it's the right one. |
| 02:46.21 | kilheim | god i dont know how people are making 70 already when i played so much and just made 62 |
| 02:46.59 | equiraptor | Well, at least some of them have entire guilds helping them. |
| 02:47.06 | equiraptor | I'm just playing my various alts. |
| 02:58.58 | Deathface | Hi, i'm a hunter, does a set of boots with +22 attack power benefit me ?? |
| 02:59.05 | Deathface | or is agility better? |
| 02:59.21 | equiraptor | That depends on how much agility. |
| 02:59.34 | Deathface | +22 attack power vs 8 agility |
| 02:59.41 | equiraptor | Armor with +22 attack power will increased your ranged attack power, so it's 22 RAP. |
| 02:59.58 | equiraptor | 8 agility will give you 8 RAP, plus some crit, some dodge, and some armor, but not a lot. |
| 03:00.15 | Deathface | so the 22 wins |
| 03:00.23 | equiraptor | I'd go with the 22 RAP. :) |
| 03:00.52 | Deathface | thanks for the help |
| 03:01.09 | equiraptor | Yupyup. All the formulas for all of that are in the wiki, BTW. :) |
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| 04:02.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Now this is weird: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Addict |
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| 04:22.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Ding! 61 :P |
| 04:23.16 | sancus | rofl |
| 04:23.23 | sancus | and I was just bitching about how I don't have time to level |
| 04:23.24 | sancus | (I'm 63) |
| 04:23.27 | Kirkburn|afk | plus my rep with Exodar is now 5997/6000 |
| 04:23.41 | Tekkub | since #wowace are being bishies... anyone get the CE and have a scanner? |
| 04:23.44 | sancus | two people are going to reach 70 in a couple of hours in my guild :/ |
| 04:23.50 | Kirkburn|afk | I've already got to 70 once, not rushing this time |
| 04:24.14 | Kirkburn|afk | wow |
| 04:24.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Tekkub, why? |
| 04:24.38 | Tekkub | need soundtrack cover art |
| 04:24.42 | Adys | got the ce but no scanner soz |
| 04:25.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Same :( |
| 04:25.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Why do you need it? Copy? |
| 04:25.22 | Hobinheim | kirk, mail me your ce and i'll "take care of it" |
| 04:25.37 | Kirkburn|afk | lool |
| 04:26.14 | Tekkub | I need it for my foobar2000 :) |
| 04:26.16 | Kirkburn|afk | in getting to 61 I have replaced my: dagger, offhand, wand, legs, belt and chest |
| 04:26.27 | Adys | oO kirk |
| 04:26.29 | Hobinheim | were you decked out? |
| 04:26.32 | Adys | im 64 and didnt replace anything |
| 04:26.37 | Tekkub | did you get a bigger, firmer chest? |
| 04:26.39 | Adys | post bwl pre naxx gear |
| 04:26.42 | Kirkburn|afk | I had no Tier armour |
| 04:26.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Just dungeon set 1 and 2 |
| 04:26.54 | Adys | ah |
| 04:26.57 | Adys | meh |
| 04:27.18 | Tekkub | I'm in mostly ZG-quality stuff and I've been replacing bits and pieces |
| 04:27.37 | Adys | im off from here, on ts and the beepbeeps are annoying :P soz |
| 04:27.57 | Tekkub | in beta I replaced my Zin'rokh with an axe from Furnace ;-; |
| 04:28.13 | sancus | I replaced a piece of T2 already |
| 04:28.22 | sancus | though mostly wearing T3, none of that will get replaced until 70 prob |
| 04:28.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Dungeon? |
| 04:28.30 | sancus | no, epic |
| 04:28.36 | Kirkburn|afk | From where? |
| 04:28.38 | sancus | netherwind belt is a piece of garbage :P |
| 04:28.50 | sancus | Eyestalk Waist Cord just never dropped for us |
| 04:28.51 | sancus | ever |
| 04:28.57 | sancus | in like 40 c'thun kills or something stupid |
| 04:28.58 | Kirkburn|afk | No, I meant where was the replacement from :P |
| 04:28.58 | kilheim | i use firemaws crutch] |
| 04:29.00 | sancus | oh |
| 04:29.03 | sancus | that sucks too |
| 04:29.06 | sancus | one sec, krik |
| 04:29.11 | kilheim | its ok |
| 04:29.15 | kilheim | +35 spell dmg |
| 04:29.20 | kilheim | decent stats' |
| 04:29.37 | Kirkburn|afk | I've gone from +40 spell dmg (yes, seriously) to +162 now |
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| 04:30.48 | Kirkburn|afk | I think I ended up with about +700 at 70 |
| 04:31.09 | sancus | I have 630 or something |
| 04:31.13 | sancus | pretty bad, honestly :/ |
| 04:31.18 | sancus | never finished my Atiesh :( |
| 04:31.48 | sancus | kirkburn: http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=750 |
| 04:31.49 | sancus | thist hing |
| 04:32.12 | sancus | +5 dmg (white-quality) red gems in both sockets, and fuck the +3 hit rating = $$ |
| 04:33.35 | Kirkburn|afk | oooh, nice |
| 04:34.27 | sancus | (gems are so unbalanced, rofl) |
| 04:37.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Got 18 HFP quests atm |
| 04:39.23 | sancus | cloth belt itemization is still kinda terrible in bc |
| 04:39.56 | sancus | only really awesome one in the whole game that I've heard of so fire is Spellfire Belt (http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=16984) |
| 04:40.00 | sancus | er so far |
| 04:40.02 | sancus | heh |
| 04:40.07 | Kirkburn|afk | I immediately replaced my Deathmist with a new belt in Outland |
| 04:40.26 | Kirkburn|afk | It's silly |
| 04:40.35 | sancus | yeah I just mean there isn't anything other than spellfire belt that's as good as Eyestalk Waist Cord |
| 04:40.41 | sancus | and that was the _only_ good belt since molten core ever implemented |
| 04:40.56 | sancus | they managed to ruin the belts on every single mage set ever |
| 04:41.34 | sancus | but w/e I guess, Spellfire set is the win for PvE anyhow |
| 04:42.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Rawr, my Exodar rep is /still/ 5997/6000 |
| 04:43.18 | sancus | you and your silly exodar |
| 04:43.39 | Kirkburn|afk | =( |
| 04:44.58 | Kirkburn|afk | I spent a great deal of time getting it up before the portal opened, but it just won't get any bigger |
| 04:45.19 | Kirkburn|afk | (oh, my crude english humour) |
| 04:52.14 | sancus | heh |
| 04:58.23 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm off to finish some more crappy grey quests :P |
| 05:00.42 | sancus | that's pretty funny :P |
| 05:00.46 | sancus | funnier than your joke! |
| 05:03.17 | LadySerena | rawr |
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| 05:16.25 | Hobinheim | paging admin |
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| 05:16.36 | Hobinheim | brb water... |
| 05:17.40 | Hobinheim | admin, anyone? |
| 05:18.56 | sancus | server admin or site admin? :p |
| 05:19.28 | Hobinheim | site =) |
| 05:19.32 | Hobinheim | hey sancus, how's it going |
| 05:19.43 | Hobinheim | the wik is like butter, i'm enjoying it a lot |
| 05:27.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Yay honored with Exodar :D |
| 05:28.24 | Hobinheim | congrats |
| 05:28.27 | Hobinheim | wait a minute |
| 05:28.29 | Hobinheim | are you alliance? |
| 05:28.35 | Hobinheim | cuz if you are, you can just bugger off |
| 05:28.35 | Kirkburn|afk | 93/120000 :P |
| 05:28.42 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 05:28.48 | Hobinheim | btw since i have your attn |
| 05:28.54 | Hobinheim | would it be poor form to restore an article? |
| 05:28.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Now I've got to get revered with them |
| 05:29.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Which? |
| 05:29.15 | Hobinheim | an editor asked why his guild article was deleted, and another replied by citing WW:GUILD |
| 05:29.15 | sancus | I would _totally_ be in-line with the buggering off sentiment |
| 05:29.28 | sancus | except kirkburn made Clearfont and Clearfont rules too much to tell kirk to bugger off :/ |
| 05:29.37 | Hobinheim | so... should i restore the article since the first user asked where it was? |
| 05:29.48 | Kirkburn|afk | Which article? |
| 05:29.57 | Hobinheim | http://www.wowwiki.com/Heroes_Inc |
| 05:30.27 | sancus | what's heroes inc |
| 05:30.36 | Hobinheim | a guild |
| 05:30.48 | sancus | guild pages belong on wowwiki? |
| 05:31.00 | Kirkburn|afk | It was deleted because it was stubbed for more than 30 days as per policy |
| 05:31.09 | Kirkburn|afk | If the person is about to update it, then restore it |
| 05:31.14 | Hobinheim | as long as they're tagged properly, yes they currently have a place on the wiki |
| 05:31.23 | sancus | huh |
| 05:31.29 | sancus | that's weird, but ok! |
| 05:31.39 | Hobinheim | it makes the wiki even more popular =) |
| 05:32.00 | Hobinheim | some are even entirely relevant, using screenshots, contributing strats, and linking to items |
| 05:32.23 | Kirkburn|afk | And then there's the other 10,000 |
| 05:32.32 | Hobinheim | yeah =( |
| 05:33.08 | sancus | haha |
| 05:33.08 | sancus | zigg put us up |
| 05:33.08 | sancus | http://www.wowwiki.com/Ropetown |
| 05:33.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Hobinheim, you know how to restore? |
| 05:33.37 | Hobinheim | yeah i bet i can figure it out |
| 05:33.46 | LadySerena | I have a blood elf. my first warlock. freaking awesome. I just have my minion attack, then I stand back and cast all my spells. |
| 05:33.58 | Hobinheim | uhh |
| 05:33.59 | Hobinheim | yeah |
| 05:34.05 | Hobinheim | warlocks are awesome |
| 05:34.12 | sancus | in conclusion |
| 05:34.13 | sancus | nerf warlocks |
| 05:34.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Hobinheim, you're comment on the talk page - it was not deleted because it wasn't updated, it was deleted because it didn't follow policy |
| 05:34.40 | Kirkburn|afk | *your |
| 05:35.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Guild articles get 30 days to get into line or ... they're outta here! |
| 05:35.03 | Hobinheim | what part of the policy? |
| 05:35.08 | Hobinheim | well yeah. |
| 05:35.52 | Kirkburn|afk | I think I'll add a section to the policy saying you can request a deleted guild page be restored at an admin's disgression |
| 05:36.11 | LadySerena | discression |
| 05:36.21 | sancus | discretion. |
| 05:36.24 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 05:36.24 | sancus | jesus |
| 05:36.27 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, you beat me! |
| 05:36.30 | LadySerena | ... |
| 05:36.42 | LadySerena | I'm not perfect at spelling, either. |
| 05:36.49 | LadySerena | I admit it. =u.u= |
| 05:36.55 | sancus | One should endeavour to be correct when one corrects another ;) |
| 05:37.00 | Kirkburn|afk | :P |
| 05:37.10 | Kirkburn|afk | LadySerena, warlocks are indeed awesome |
| 05:37.15 | Kirkburn|afk | My felguard is an amazing tank |
| 05:37.32 | Kirkburn|afk | I rarely get hit, and very rarely have downtime |
| 05:37.34 | LadySerena | this is my first warlock ...... my other two characters are Tauren Druids |
| 05:39.10 | LadySerena | from Tauren Druid to Blood Elf Warlock ..... its so insanely DIFFERENT |
| 05:40.10 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 05:40.16 | Hobinheim | cuz druids suck and warlocks rock |
| 05:40.18 | Kirkburn|afk | K, added note to the Guild policy page |
| 05:40.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Hobinheim, restored that article yet? =) |
| 05:40.37 | sancus | druids dont suck, wtf |
| 05:40.49 | sancus | feral druids are nasty as hell in BC :/ |
| 05:41.03 | Hobinheim | wow restoring the article did not work as described at all |
| 05:41.15 | Hobinheim | i made a manual copy of the text... |
| 05:41.15 | Hobinheim | so i'll use that |
| 05:41.23 | Hobinheim | but... i'm pretty sure it did not do as it advertised |
| 05:41.29 | LadySerena | Hobinheim, I want what you're smoking. |
| 05:42.43 | Hobinheim | demonology |
| 05:42.50 | Hobinheim | LadySerena, what level are you? |
| 05:42.58 | Hobinheim | and speaking of serenas, have you watched sailor moon? |
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| 05:43.23 | LadySerena | I haven't seen Sailor Moon. My real name is Jessica. |
| 05:43.43 | LadySerena | and my belf warlock is 12 |
| 05:44.20 | Hobinheim | zomg a girl |
| 05:44.26 | sancus | hobin: oh come on |
| 05:44.26 | Hobinheim | so you have your voidwalker already? |
| 05:44.32 | Hobinheim | what spec are you giong? |
| 05:44.41 | sancus | thats like asking someone if they watch pokemon because their nick is 'misty' |
| 05:45.03 | LadySerena | Yes, I have my voidwalker. |
| 05:45.21 | LadySerena | and I'm going on the path of destruction |
| 05:46.11 | Hobinheim | nice tell me how that is |
| 05:46.16 | Hobinheim | i've only been demonology forever... |
| 05:49.11 | LadySerena | meh .. its okay so far |
| 05:57.35 | LadySerena | oh hell |
| 05:58.00 | LadySerena | now everything is lagging all because my screensaver decided to run |
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| 06:00.05 | LadySerena | I guess it doesn't like running more than three Quartz Extreme apps |
| 06:01.47 | MatthewS | what kind of mac? |
| 06:02.24 | LadySerena | little Mini |
| 06:02.40 | LadySerena | what I *need* is a Pro |
| 06:05.11 | MatthewS | yeah, my mbp runs a few things fine |
| 06:06.19 | sancus | I'm going to buy a core 2duo mbp |
| 06:06.21 | LadySerena | I want to get a mac pro first, then maybe get an mpb |
| 06:06.28 | sancus | the only part I dont like is that the video card is kinda meh |
| 06:06.29 | sancus | but oh well |
| 06:06.30 | vlad_ | mbp shmbp |
| 06:06.52 | sancus | It's almost impossible to find a 15" notebook with a decent video card |
| 06:07.06 | LadySerena | FINALLY! that's the last of my Eversong Woods quests! |
| 06:08.30 | MatthewS | hey, my mbp is wonderful. a little big though |
| 06:09.25 | MatthewS | i wish they'd do a 12 in model |
| 06:10.04 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Colossus |
| 06:10.13 | Bagginsww | slight modification to the colossus article |
| 06:11.58 | Bagginsww | where it said "native to Hellfire..." I changed it to appeared on Hellfire. |
| 06:12.09 | Bagginsww | as per the quest line |
| 06:14.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Cool |
| 06:14.39 | Bagginsww | bah stuck at authenticating :p |
| 06:14.46 | Kirkburn|afk | LadySerena, congrats |
| 06:14.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Did you enjoy the blood elf party? |
| 06:15.08 | Bagginsww | oh btw kirkburn I decided to vote no on aeleas proposal |
| 06:15.21 | Bagginsww | I don't think we should cater to fans opinions |
| 06:15.24 | LadySerena | party? |
| 06:15.38 | Kirkburn|afk | With all the drunk blood elves |
| 06:15.39 | Bagginsww | we are not trying to present any form of canon, especially not fanon. |
| 06:15.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Lord Wassisnames |
| 06:16.00 | LadySerena | wasn't there |
| 06:16.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Near the harbor |
| 06:16.18 | Bagginsww | party? |
| 06:16.24 | LadySerena | although I was there the first evening the BC patch was out |
| 06:16.38 | LadySerena | that was more like an orgy in the blood elf training ground |
| 06:16.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, there's an NPC party with fireworks |
| 06:16.44 | Bagginsww | hmm |
| 06:16.50 | Bagginsww | not something they announced LOL |
| 06:16.58 | Bagginsww | as far as I know |
| 06:16.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Not an event |
| 06:17.03 | Bagginsww | oh |
| 06:17.05 | Kirkburn|afk | It's just a location :) |
| 06:17.12 | Bagginsww | so its random thing? |
| 06:17.24 | Kirkburn|afk | The party never ends :P |
| 06:17.39 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 06:17.52 | Kirkburn|afk | One quest is to supple them with stuff |
| 06:17.56 | Kirkburn|afk | *supply |
| 06:18.00 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 06:18.18 | Kirkburn|afk | You get an invitation as a reward, which you can then use to take copius amount of food and alcohol for free =) |
| 06:18.18 | Bagginsww | so while other blood elves are drunk on magic, these blood elves are just drunk ;) |
| 06:18.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Exactly :P |
| 06:18.38 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 06:19.01 | Bagginsww | I need to get me a blood elf up to at least level 20 so I can do the necklace quest |
| 06:19.20 | Bagginsww | hear Warcraft the Musical, LOL |
| 06:19.49 | Bagginsww | they should have magni sing a song about his brothers LOL |
| 06:20.47 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Policy/Writing/Lore |
| 06:21.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Bagginsww, lol |
| 06:21.38 | Bagginsww | a celtic diddy LOL |
| 06:21.43 | Kirkburn|afk | You want me to actually vote on it?! argh |
| 06:21.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Notice how Fandy chided others for not voting, then didn't :P |
| 06:22.02 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 06:22.36 | Bagginsww | well I think we should have inline citations, but concept aeleas presented is flawed imo. |
| 06:22.56 | Bagginsww | we shouldn't be catetering to fan opinion. |
| 06:23.18 | Bagginsww | its just as much a form of speculation |
| 06:23.55 | Bagginsww | ragestorm made some good points about not using the term "controversy" but I donj't think we can go that far |
| 06:24.32 | Bagginsww | although as one notices even things such as draenei and blood elves are considered "controversial" by some fans LOL |
| 06:25.03 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 06:25.16 | Kirkburn|afk | The wiki certainly has some 'personalities' |
| 06:25.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Theron the Just, Angry Ogre, SilverSide |
| 06:25.33 | Bagginsww | uh ya |
| 06:25.41 | Bagginsww | don't know much about the silverside |
| 06:25.44 | Bagginsww | but angry ogre sure |
| 06:25.47 | Kirkburn|afk | "Page Mover Vandal" |
| 06:25.55 | Bagginsww | hmm |
| 06:26.08 | Kirkburn|afk | At least he's given up now |
| 06:26.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyway, I'm off to bed |
| 06:26.28 | Kirkburn|afk | G'night! |
| 06:26.29 | Bagginsww | night |
| 06:27.03 | Bagginsww | biggoted draenei = broken LOL |
| 06:29.53 | Kirkburn|afk | That's an ... odd generalisation? |
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| 06:33.11 | LadySerena | its true, the Blizzard people really do have a lame sense of humor |
| 06:33.40 | LadySerena | my voidwalker just said "I am void where prohibited." when I had it attack a ghost kitty |
| 06:36.30 | Bagginsww | just joking btw |
| 06:36.53 | Bagginsww | I am void where prohibited, LOL |
| 06:38.23 | LadySerena | yea, cause its a voidwalker |
| 06:38.27 | LadySerena | it really isn't that funny |
| 06:39.28 | Bagginsww | its a bad math teacher kind of joke |
| 06:39.39 | LadySerena | yea |
| 06:39.41 | LadySerena | laters |
| 06:39.56 | Bagginsww | hmm bragus is putting "newly crowned king magni" in every refrence to magni |
| 06:40.06 | Bagginsww | uh hasn't he been king since before the second war? |
| 06:51.50 | MatthewS | you all need more camp in your lives, that's great humor! |
| 06:52.45 | Bagginsww | campy is fun |
| 06:52.57 | Bagginsww | or cheezy, ;) |
| 07:01.39 | Tekkub | anyone got an objection to merging short articles like http://www.wowwiki.com/Exalted into the appropriate main article, like http://www.wowwiki.com/Reputation |
| 07:01.55 | Bagginsww | hmm that's a good idea |
| 07:01.55 | Tekkub | I hate those short one-paragraph pages |
| 07:02.16 | Bagginsww | I agree if there is a overall subject merge it |
| 07:02.26 | Tekkub | righto, so I will |
| 07:03.11 | Bagginsww | cause if people are looking for exalted it will redirect to that subject anyway s;) |
| 07:03.27 | Tekkub | exactly |
| 07:03.44 | Tekkub | thso lil definitions belong in the main page as far as I'm concerned |
| 07:03.53 | Tekkub | Druid Forms is another mess like this |
| 07:04.45 | Tekkub | in the Druid page should be summaries, like the Druid Forms page... Druid Forms should just go, and the detailed ramblings about "panzerkin" moonkins in the spell page |
| 07:08.26 | Bagginsww | Ya I like that idea |
| 07:08.44 | Bagginsww | Druid forms over seperate form pages |
| 07:13.19 | Bagginsww | ahh EzekielAble new poster, might be "celeborn" the person that vandalized half-elf page and other sources. |
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| 07:13.53 | Bagginsww | not sure exactly |
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| 07:24.20 | Bagginsww | ahh i misread, he's trying to explain where celebant was wrong. |
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| 07:58.55 | Bagginsww | I love how cities in hellfire get randomly attacked |
| 07:59.01 | Bagginsww | by infernals and other things |
| 08:29.32 | zeal | bb be back sunday :p |
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| 09:12.22 | Eylena_aka_HJT | does any1 know Cbdgtwfadade? ;) |
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| 09:34.38 | Apollozeus | my copy of TBC arrived this morning |
| 09:35.09 | Apollozeus | and I will pick up my new pc enabling me to play WoW this afternoon :D |
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| 09:35.26 | Adys | sexy |
| 09:35.26 | Apollozeus | the downside of it all: I won't have time for it until next friday :( |
| 09:35.38 | Tekkub | god I hate musical-movies |
| 09:35.42 | Adys | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/mob.html?wmob=3546 |
| 09:35.53 | Adys | I want a table layout like that for wowwiki <3 |
| 09:36.10 | Tekkub | especiall corny gay teenage musicals |
| 09:36.20 | Tekkub | make him turn it off... |
| 09:36.38 | Apollozeus | Tekkub, Highschool Musical? |
| 09:36.44 | Tekkub | "Camp" |
| 09:36.53 | Apollozeus | never heard of it |
| 09:36.54 | Apollozeus | D: |
| 09:37.03 | Apollozeus | and most likely, never will |
| 09:37.19 | Tekkub | an dnow there's tap dancing |
| 09:38.06 | Apollozeus | Tekkub, you don't have to watch it, do you? |
| 09:38.16 | Tekkub | no... I have to listen to it |
| 09:38.43 | Apollozeus | who's forcing you lol |
| 09:38.47 | Tekkub | not to mention his comp is against the beedroom wall, he's halfway deaf when he wants to be, and he refusus to watch it in the fucking livingroom |
| 09:38.58 | Tekkub | did I mention I was trying to sleep? |
| 09:42.58 | Adys | Cairenn|afk : grats :) |
| 09:53.00 | Apollozeus | this is awesome |
| 09:53.06 | Apollozeus | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=19227#00zc |
| 09:53.10 | Apollozeus | a scam npc :p |
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| 10:34.32 | Apollozeus | hmm |
| 10:34.48 | Apollozeus | ""Burning Crusade" has been in development for more than two years, since before the original "World of Warcraft" shipped, Kaplan said." |
| 10:37.33 | Apollozeus | ;-; |
| 10:37.46 | Apollozeus | they also removed the sword of a thousand truths in the actual version of the game |
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| 12:27.25 | nick255 | do the blood elves remind anybody of the elfquest comics? |
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| 14:24.25 | Adys | wooot |
| 14:24.29 | Adys | Tusva is back |
| 14:24.29 | Adys | < |
| 14:24.33 | Adys | <3* |
| 14:26.22 | Tepetkhet | Geez. |
| 14:26.24 | Tepetkhet | Honestly. |
| 14:26.33 | Tepetkhet | They changed the hostname on a server last night. |
| 14:26.39 | Tepetkhet | Typo'd it. |
| 14:28.30 | Tepetkhet | So root's security mails were rejected because the sender's host wasn't found. |
| 14:39.56 | equiraptor | Oops. |
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| 14:45.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | hi guys |
| 14:46.14 | Tepetkhet | hi |
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| 15:02.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | btw Tepetkhet sry for my behaviour a short while ago, I was attempting to bring across a point, but I didn't manage to explain myself decently :) |
| 15:03.20 | Tepetkhet | Okay. |
| 15:05.09 | Tepetkhet | I've been pretty cranky lately and would rather leave than deal with something else that's making me more cranky. |
| 15:13.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | Just, take one good advice. Don't do everything on your own, it's extremely fatigueing and eventually you will reflect that on your members. |
| 15:15.50 | Tepetkhet | Alright. |
| 15:15.58 | Tepetkhet | I have some advice, too... |
| 15:16.12 | Tepetkhet | If somebody says they're not interested in something, please don't keep trying to push it. :/ |
| 15:16.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | nah, but that was actually the point I wanted to come to, making a hard system forces you to keep it updated. |
| 15:17.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | oh and I'm not used to takng "no" for an answer :p |
| 15:17.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | but anyways, sorry :) |
| 15:17.17 | Tepetkhet | I see. |
| 15:17.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | afk now |
| 15:18.49 | equiraptor | "making a hard system forces you to keep it updated." <-- why I recommended Drupal. It's very much not hard. :) |
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| 15:55.57 | Bagginsww | well my cat died last night |
| 15:56.12 | Bagginsww | of old age as far as I know |
| 15:56.42 | equiraptor | I'm sorry. :( |
| 15:57.23 | Bagginsww | I'm sad, but happy she died peacefully in the house. So I don't have they mystery of what happened to her. |
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| 16:28.52 | Deathface | Hi |
| 16:29.00 | Deathface | Does strength give me + ranged attack power? |
| 16:29.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | no. |
| 16:34.47 | Tuqui-tuqui | ^_^ |
| 16:34.57 | Tuqui-tuqui | im so close to getting exalted! XD |
| 16:35.10 | Tuqui-tuqui | I now have 8100 out of 21000 needed in Org |
| 16:35.32 | Tuqui-tuqui | I only have 4 more levels to reach it |
| 16:36.18 | Apollozeus | oh, how great |
| 16:36.32 | Apollozeus | the release of tbc is an excuse for people to upload more .jpg icons :/ |
| 16:36.38 | equiraptor | heh |
| 16:37.28 | Tuqui-tuqui | go jpegs! \o/ |
| 16:46.33 | Hobinheim | christ |
| 16:46.47 | Hobinheim | isn't there an obnoxious message that says DON'T UPLOAD JPG ICONS |
| 16:49.05 | kaso | Why hasnt someone wrote a bot to auto-upload all the icons anyway? Wouldnt that be more efficent |
| 16:49.32 | Hobinheim | hard to extract, i guess |
| 16:50.19 | kaso | well theres a blizzard tool to get the bsps out of the mpqs, then theres publicly available bsp -> png tools |
| 17:04.43 | Tepetkhet | drupal-4.4.2.tgz :( |
| 17:05.10 | equiraptor | Something tells me Nugget didn't use the port. |
| 17:05.15 | Tepetkhet | Well |
| 17:05.22 | Tepetkhet | My ports collection is old. |
| 17:05.26 | Tepetkhet | I should cvsup it, I guess. |
| 17:05.59 | equiraptor | mine has 4.6.6, while current drupal is 5.0 |
| 17:07.23 | Hobinheim | wtf are you talking about |
| 17:07.32 | Hobinheim | mediawiki saves all... i just upgraded last night =) |
| 17:07.54 | equiraptor | We're talking about Drupal, FreeBSD, and Ports (FreeBSD's package manager) |
| 17:11.48 | Hobinheim | have you ever used gentoo? |
| 17:11.59 | Hobinheim | i was thinking if i ever had to learn linux, short of trying slackware, maybe i'd go gentoo |
| 17:12.35 | equiraptor | My first Gentoo install was Gentoo 1.0 |
| 17:12.50 | Hobinheim | how was it |
| 17:12.53 | equiraptor | I ran it as the linux distribution on my desktop until I bought a Mac. |
| 17:12.57 | Hobinheim | then you just do like emerge world or w/e |
| 17:13.03 | equiraptor | Not good for someone who doesn't like how difficult Unix is. |
| 17:13.07 | Hobinheim | and then the mac saved you |
| 17:13.17 | equiraptor | Saved me? |
| 17:13.19 | Hobinheim | i just don't like the attitude of the unix community |
| 17:13.25 | Hobinheim | like... the answer is just as simple as looking it up |
| 17:13.29 | Hobinheim | that's a terrible answer |
| 17:13.30 | equiraptor | Which unix community? |
| 17:13.32 | Hobinheim | it should just work in the first place |
| 17:13.35 | Hobinheim | all of them |
| 17:13.40 | equiraptor | It's a really great answer when it's true. |
| 17:13.42 | Hobinheim | they're all neckbearded losers who have no sympathy |
| 17:13.47 | equiraptor | Wow. |
| 17:13.50 | equiraptor | Way to generalize. |
| 17:13.53 | Hobinheim | yeah |
| 17:13.55 | Hobinheim | bitter much. |
| 17:13.57 | equiraptor | You couldn't be more wrong. |
| 17:14.31 | Hobinheim | like how would i know that my solaris compiler has a bug in it preventing me from compiling mysql from stock |
| 17:14.35 | Hobinheim | who would know that |
| 17:14.40 | Hobinheim | and why would i have to look it up |
| 17:14.46 | equiraptor | Google might. |
| 17:14.54 | equiraptor | Google knows a lot. |
| 17:14.56 | Hobinheim | why isn't there a flag in the mysql code to automatically skirt the issue if i'm on solaris |
| 17:15.12 | equiraptor | Because changing code to avoid someone else's bug is dangerous. |
| 17:15.21 | Hobinheim | my point is that technical folk are infinitely forgiving about the code |
| 17:15.28 | Hobinheim | and don't ever feel for the user |
| 17:15.38 | Hobinheim | it doesn't matter if the answer is "just on google" |
| 17:15.39 | equiraptor | Well, that depends. |
| 17:16.09 | equiraptor | If you show that you've made an effort to look it up on your own, and haven't been able to find it, I find the communities tend to be pretty forgiving. |
| 17:16.20 | Hobinheim | no, there shouldn't be any effort required |
| 17:16.24 | Hobinheim | this is about getting things done |
| 17:16.28 | Hobinheim | not staring at a compiler screen |
| 17:16.30 | equiraptor | Then use something else. |
| 17:16.36 | equiraptor | There should be effort required. |
| 17:16.45 | equiraptor | Unless you're going to pay someone for support. |
| 17:16.46 | Hobinheim | and that's why linux will never be great for the desktop |
| 17:16.47 | equiraptor | Then there shouldn't be. |
| 17:16.50 | Hobinheim | use something else indeed... |
| 17:17.05 | equiraptor | If you want, buy Red Hat or SuSE. With support. |
| 17:17.21 | equiraptor | Then you have all the room in the world to complain that things don't just work and the Red Hat or SuSE people don't make it easy to fix. |
| 17:17.42 | equiraptor | But when you're getting the stuff for free, don't expect everyone to just bow before you and continue to do everything for you. Try to put in a little effort yourself. |
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| 17:18.20 | Hobinheim | re. tarded. |
| 17:18.25 | equiraptor | Yup, you sure are. |
| 17:18.31 | kuinkala | :) |
| 17:18.39 | Hobinheim | it's that kind of attitude that's preventing the software in and of itself from truly being great |
| 17:18.41 | equiraptor | Really, do you expect everything in your life to be handed to you on a silver platter? |
| 17:18.48 | Hobinheim | why the fuck not |
| 17:18.49 | Hobinheim | why not. |
| 17:18.55 | equiraptor | Sheesh. |
| 17:19.00 | Hobinheim | seriously |
| 17:19.04 | kuinkala | catfight! |
| 17:19.04 | Hobinheim | it's about productivity |
| 17:19.06 | Hobinheim | the end goal |
| 17:19.06 | equiraptor | Because everyone should contribute something to society. |
| 17:19.08 | equiraptor | That's why not. |
| 17:19.18 | kuinkala | let me get some drink & popcorn |
| 17:19.23 | equiraptor | And if you just want everything handed to you, you're nothing but a leech. |
| 17:19.40 | Hobinheim | if the software isn't making you more productive, then it isn't doing its job |
| 17:20.02 | equiraptor | Sure. |
| 17:20.32 | equiraptor | But if your contract with the makers of the software doesn't say they're responsible for making you more productive, it's not their job to fix that. |
| 17:20.53 | equiraptor | If you want linux / unix with support, then buy support! |
| 17:21.07 | equiraptor | I think that's a great way to deal with it. It's certainly possible. |
| 17:21.23 | Hobinheim | i still think that attitude is skirting around the issue |
| 17:21.27 | equiraptor | But, if you don't want to pay, you may want to try a distribution like Ubuntu. |
| 17:21.28 | Hobinheim | i say the software isn't doing xyz |
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| 17:21.35 | Hobinheim | and then they say well i never promised it would do xyz |
| 17:21.40 | equiraptor | That distribution is intended to be easy to use, easy to install, easy. |
| 17:21.43 | Hobinheim | that's very... avoidancy |
| 17:21.50 | equiraptor | Yeah, it is. |
| 17:21.55 | equiraptor | Because people can't do everything. |
| 17:22.06 | Hobinheim | software should be more ninja. and more magical |
| 17:22.18 | equiraptor | Then go ahead and write some that is. |
| 17:22.20 | Hobinheim | i'm saying an attitude like that will never make linux as great as apple |
| 17:22.27 | equiraptor | Ok. |
| 17:22.32 | equiraptor | Apple's OS is UNIX based. |
| 17:22.37 | equiraptor | So I'm happy as could be. :) |
| 17:23.02 | equiraptor | I have no driving need for one OS to take over the world. And I have no driving need for you to say an OS is great or isn't. |
| 17:23.10 | equiraptor | Linux has a niche and it's fitting in that niche very well. |
| 17:23.21 | Hobinheim | i think it could be way better |
| 17:23.24 | equiraptor | Some proponents of Linux would like it to fit some other niches. It's not as suited to those. |
| 17:23.25 | Hobinheim | and it should be |
| 17:23.29 | Hobinheim | all things in life should be better |
| 17:23.37 | equiraptor | So they're trying to help it fit. |
| 17:23.38 | Hobinheim | everything should be awesome |
| 17:24.13 | equiraptor | If you'd like to see if Linux can fit the niche you want - an easy to used desktop OS - I'd recommend trying Ubuntu if you want a free distribution, or buying SuSE if you'd rather pay but have "real" support. |
| 17:24.21 | equiraptor | s/used/use/ |
| 17:24.45 | Hobinheim | lol infobot |
| 17:25.05 | Hobinheim | i just want... mysql. to work out of the box. configure. make. make install. no crashes. |
| 17:28.46 | Hobinheim | i think... linux. should have a fabulous dictator. someone with style. and a nazi iron fist. like steve jobs |
| 17:29.06 | Hobinheim | then you would see really useful technology blossom |
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| 17:29.51 | equiraptor | Once upon a time, there was Linus Torvalds. He was never really a Steve Jobs, though. |
| 17:31.30 | Hobinheim | linus doesn't count. he's not on the cover of like fashion magazines |
| 17:31.38 | Hobinheim | i'm talking about someone with an eye for design |
| 17:31.43 | equiraptor | Like I said, he was never a Steve Jobs. |
| 17:31.43 | Hobinheim | and an uncompromising will |
| 17:31.47 | Hobinheim | and a reality distortion field |
| 17:31.51 | equiraptor | heh |
| 17:31.57 | Hobinheim | who will rise to power |
| 17:32.10 | equiraptor | "I reject your reality and substitute my own" |
| 17:32.16 | Hobinheim | exactly... |
| 17:32.31 | Hobinheim | i'm scared of contributing to the community |
| 17:34.34 | equiraptor | I need to set up a backup scheme for Ridge. |
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| 17:59.04 | Hobinheim | (equiraptor, what's ridge?) |
| 17:59.18 | equiraptor | My server |
| 17:59.26 | equiraptor | rivaridge.equiraptor.com |
| 18:10.57 | kaso | http://www.thottbot.com/?i=55518 http://www.thottbot.com/?i=53454 hmm |
| 18:11.57 | kaso | i knew those alliance were evil all along |
| 18:23.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | kaso it's a mark of Lordaeron, which also held the Argent dawn in it's followers and the Scarlet Crusade |
| 18:23.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | in essence, the Crusade ain't even evil, they're made evil, due to being led by a demon |
| 18:23.15 | kaso | darn :< |
| 18:23.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | :p |
| 18:23.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | sorry for destroying your hopes :( |
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| 18:25.45 | LucidFox | I have a regular European WoW account and a TBC key, how do I upgrade my account? |
| 18:28.15 | Tepetkhet | Unix-based operating systems are user-friendly. They're just selective about who their friends are. |
| 18:28.31 | LucidFox | ah... never mind |
| 18:28.47 | LucidFox | missed the huge graphical "upgrade account" button on the main page |
| 18:28.51 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 18:29.04 | Tepetkhet | Site's back up? |
| 18:29.09 | equiraptor | One of those, "I'm blind," moments, eh LucidFox? |
| 18:29.15 | equiraptor | I have those fairly regularly. :) |
| 18:29.26 | LucidFox | well, I have images disabled by default |
| 18:29.35 | equiraptor | Ah, that would make it a bit harder. |
| 18:31.01 | LucidFox | on my realm, I haven't seen any Draenei in Darnassus, but plenty in Auberdine |
| 18:32.31 | equiraptor | My draenei was summoned to stormwind, got the flight point, went to IF, got that flight point and learned to use axes, and then hearthed. |
| 18:32.41 | LucidFox | also, I created a level 1 undead for the sole purpose of going to look how the Quel'Thalas portal looks like :) |
| 18:32.42 | equiraptor | I figure menethil harbor will be easy to pick up. |
| 18:32.50 | equiraptor | heh. I haven't seen that portal yet. |
| 18:33.05 | equiraptor | My BE is only level 10, and I haven't taken any of my other chars to see it. :) |
| 18:33.11 | LucidFox | ah |
| 18:33.37 | LucidFox | I was dead, so I couldn't see if Adon was there |
| 18:34.03 | LucidFox | and I _could_ go through the portal, but there was an invisible wall a few steps behind it |
| 18:34.34 | equiraptor | Random: Why do I like fake cheese so much? |
| 18:34.57 | LucidFox | ... |
| 18:35.25 | equiraptor | I'm eating a KFC ultimate cheese snaker. |
| 18:35.31 | equiraptor | Which is just drenched in fake cheese. |
| 18:35.43 | Tepetkhet | It still has dairy. |
| 18:35.52 | Tepetkhet | So it's not fake enough for me. |
| 18:35.57 | equiraptor | Yeah. Unfortunately. :( |
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| 18:58.56 | LucidFox | by the way |
| 18:59.08 | LucidFox | what can I do with an unneeded guest pass key? |
| 18:59.16 | Tepetkhet | Give it to a friend? |
| 18:59.28 | kuinkala | do like me; give it to your GF |
| 18:59.31 | kuinkala | :p |
| 18:59.46 | LucidFox | if only I had one... :) |
| 18:59.50 | kuinkala | ah |
| 19:00.03 | kuinkala | i told her to use it ASAP, instead of raping my account :( |
| 19:00.19 | LucidFox | besides, hardly any of my friends have credit cards, so prepaid cards are the only option |
| 19:01.07 | kuinkala | heh |
| 19:01.25 | LucidFox | (I have one and pay with it... and now I wonder what to do with an unneeded prepaid card I bought earlier - sell it for a lower price?) |
| 19:01.43 | equiraptor | Use it anyway. |
| 19:01.45 | kuinkala | its so stupid that there is only one bank (at least in finland) wich is capable to Visa Electron payment |
| 19:01.46 | equiraptor | You can use both. |
| 19:02.01 | equiraptor | Or, at least, you can with the north american game... |
| 19:02.08 | LucidFox | well, that's true |
| 19:02.14 | LucidFox | wait |
| 19:02.31 | LucidFox | how do I know if my bank is... capable? :) |
| 19:02.58 | LucidFox | I entered the numbers and other stuff, it said, ok you can play |
| 19:03.09 | LucidFox | (it is a Visa Electron) |
| 19:03.31 | LucidFox | haven't yet checked if it actually withdrew any money from it |
| 19:03.58 | kuinkala | kek, i cant pay with my visa electron :< |
| 19:04.10 | kuinkala | always "Payment rejected" |
| 19:04.15 | LucidFox | ah |
| 19:04.37 | kuinkala | been whining to my bank about it, but noes |
| 19:05.25 | LucidFox | so if it says "payment accepted" and activates the account, then everything is fine? |
| 19:05.35 | kuinkala | yes |
| 19:09.09 | LucidFox | prepaid cards are easy to obtain where I live, but the price is higher than one would expect - about $45 |
| 19:09.22 | kuinkala | WTF |
| 19:09.35 | kuinkala | thats awesomely retarted :( |
| 19:09.37 | LucidFox | that despite the fact that they sell only keys, not physical cards |
| 19:09.57 | kuinkala | 25 euros in here |
| 19:10.30 | kuinkala | but usually, there is no pre-paids on that shop, you have to order it :/ takes like a week |
| 19:10.38 | LucidFox | there's also an Internet shop that sells them for $35, but that's via WebMoney |
| 19:11.49 | kuinkala | expensive... |
| 19:11.59 | kuinkala | that 45$ suck ass :( |
| 19:12.10 | LucidFox | well |
| 19:13.26 | LucidFox | they also sell WoW and TBC keys without boxes, for about $38 and $76 respectively |
| 19:13.55 | kuinkala | still expensive :) |
| 19:14.07 | LucidFox | since the game files are easily obtainable, many prefer this method, as it's cheaper than actually buying the games |
| 19:14.20 | LucidFox | (and TBC boxes still haven't arrived here) |
| 19:14.31 | kuinkala | mm... true |
| 19:17.11 | LucidFox | compare the costs of a Visa Electron here (in Russia, by the way): $7 initially + $0.4 monthly |
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| 19:31.41 | Tepetkhet | hrm |
| 19:31.53 | Tepetkhet | Ports cvsupped and still... |
| 19:31.54 | Tepetkhet | drupal-4.7.5.tar.gz |
| 19:32.10 | Tepetkhet | A little better. :/ |
| 19:32.20 | kuinkala | oh noes, *nix -talk :( |
| 19:32.34 | equiraptor | Still not up to date. :( |
| 19:32.39 | Tepetkhet | Yeah. |
| 19:37.45 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Hobinheim] by ChanServ |
| 19:45.13 | kuinkala | ^^ |
| 19:56.59 | Bagginsww | ya those collossi werne't natural |
| 19:57.10 | Bagginsww | created by Kael'sauce, ;) |
| 19:57.18 | Tepetkhet | Kael'sauce... |
| 19:57.45 | Tepetkhet | I want some Kael'sauce to dip my Belfadin Fries in. |
| 19:57.49 | Bagginsww | kale a type of green spinach type plant right? |
| 19:57.54 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 19:58.11 | Tepetkhet | Well, you can cook and serve it kind of like spinach, but it's actually in the cabbage family. |
| 19:58.17 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 19:58.27 | Bagginsww | kale'sauce it is then ;) |
| 20:07.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | and it tastes great! |
| 20:08.27 | Tepetkhet | Less filling! |
| 20:08.41 | Tepetkhet | May be addictive to magic usres. |
| 20:08.46 | Tepetkhet | s/usres/users/ |
| 20:09.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | Infobot, I know. |
| 20:09.24 | infobot | You know.? |
| 20:09.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | infobot, yes. |
| 20:09.38 | infobot | You don't say! |
| 20:09.44 | Hobinheim | kaelsauce... |
| 20:09.46 | Hobinheim | is that like a franchise? |
| 20:09.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 20:09.50 | equiraptor | infobot: botsnack! |
| 20:09.51 | infobot | equiraptor: aw, gee |
| 20:10.01 | Hobinheim | welcome to McArcanist, can i take your order? |
| 20:10.17 | Hobinheim | that'll be two mana fries, a mana shake, and one double beef mana burder. would you like anything else? |
| 20:10.26 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 20:10.27 | Hobinheim | yes, wild style with the kael'sauce please |
| 20:10.33 | Tepetkhet | hah |
| 20:11.17 | Hobinheim | i could have sworn this one time my blood knight back talked to me. blood elf sass |
| 20:11.20 | Bagginsww | Naga Surprise |
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| 20:11.44 | Tepetkhet | Blood Elves are snotty. |
| 20:11.52 | Bagginsww | expecially the males. |
| 20:11.59 | Tepetkhet | Egotistical. |
| 20:12.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | oooh, Mcdemon Burger! Now with extra Dark Meat! |
| 20:12.05 | Bagginsww | females are just vain |
| 20:12.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | Napoleon Dynamite dance FTW! |
| 20:12.11 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 20:12.11 | Tepetkhet | HAHAHA |
| 20:12.11 | Hobinheim | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.11 | Tuqui-tuqui | o// |
| 20:12.13 | Tuqui-tuqui | \\o |
| 20:12.16 | Tepetkhet | Nice, Patrigan. |
| 20:12.21 | Hobinheim | mmm felmeat... |
| 20:12.46 | Bagginsww | don't worry if the Mcdemon burger possesses you, you can go to your friendly Klatu to have it exorcised |
| 20:12.52 | Bagginsww | and make you regurgitate it |
| 20:12.56 | Tepetkhet | ewww |
| 20:13.08 | Bagginsww | have you done that quest? |
| 20:13.11 | Bagginsww | Its funny |
| 20:13.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | hey, possesed by a burger, that would be cool! |
| 20:13.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | wonder what it would make me do :o |
| 20:14.36 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 20:14.46 | Bagginsww | Tauren Tacos |
| 20:14.59 | Bagginsww | copetitor to murlocos |
| 20:15.58 | Bagginsww | Kiljaeden-fried hawkstrider |
| 20:16.08 | Tepetkhet | haha |
| 20:16.26 | Bagginsww | althought it doesn't fit the KFC, :p |
| 20:16.36 | Bagginsww | KFH doesn't sound nearly as good |
| 20:16.40 | Tepetkhet | Just call it a Chocobo like everybody else. |
| 20:16.42 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 20:16.48 | Bagginsww | too bad its not cockatrice |
| 20:17.08 | Tepetkhet | Too many people talking about cockriding, I imagine. |
| 20:17.38 | Hobinheim | can.... can we still enslave the mcdemon burger? |
| 20:17.46 | Hobinheim | i mean... i know it's all diced up n stuff... |
| 20:17.49 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 20:17.53 | Hobinheim | but maybe ... you know. it can... fight for me? |
| 20:18.03 | Tepetkhet | Yeah. |
| 20:18.04 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 20:18.07 | Hobinheim | holy christ Tepetkhet |
| 20:18.11 | Tepetkhet | Your enemies will laugh themselves to death. |
| 20:18.14 | Hobinheim | my gay blood elf talking about cock riding |
| 20:18.15 | Bagginsww | mak eyour openent eat its ground up badness? |
| 20:18.18 | Hobinheim | improbable to the max |
| 20:18.26 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 20:18.36 | Hobinheim | wait what are they called again? |
| 20:18.39 | Hobinheim | cocktriders? |
| 20:18.50 | Tepetkhet | "Why don't you come over here and...HEY! Watch the hair!" |
| 20:18.59 | Bagginsww | cockstrider? LOL |
| 20:19.02 | Tepetkhet | hahaha |
| 20:19.05 | Tepetkhet | That's just wrong. |
| 20:19.15 | Bagginsww | yes |
| 20:19.42 | Hobinheim | i'm serious i don't remember =( |
| 20:19.55 | Adys | cockatrices |
| 20:20.01 | Adys | well that was the old name |
| 20:20.01 | Hobinheim | manahawk... |
| 20:20.03 | Adys | it changed i think |
| 20:20.10 | Adys | hawkstriders, correct |
| 20:20.13 | Tepetkhet | It changed to something without Cock. |
| 20:20.17 | Hobinheim | hawkstrider |
| 20:20.19 | Hobinheim | jeez... |
| 20:20.25 | Hobinheim | blizz doesn't like the cock |
| 20:20.27 | Hobinheim | sexist! |
| 20:20.30 | Tepetkhet | hahaha |
| 20:20.35 | Hobinheim | my blood knight... (he does) |
| 20:20.36 | Tepetkhet | Well...Yeah. |
| 20:20.43 | Tepetkhet | Freakin' succubus. |
| 20:20.46 | Tepetkhet | That's all I have to say. |
| 20:20.51 | Bagginsww | why no cats are called pussys |
| 20:21.03 | LucidFox | wait |
| 20:21.07 | Adys | "Usually I only ride hawkstriders but... lets talk." (Blood Elf Male) |
| 20:21.15 | LucidFox | aren't BE paladins still called paladins in-game? |
| 20:21.16 | Adys | easy way to remember it aint it! |
| 20:21.22 | Adys | yea they are |
| 20:21.25 | Hobinheim | yeah for the most part they are |
| 20:21.34 | Bagginsww | ya apparently you don't get BK title until around level 15 |
| 20:21.47 | Hobinheim | i've yet to be called a blood knight, unless i'm clicking on npcs |
| 20:21.54 | Bagginsww | in which case its part of the storyline but not yoru character |
| 20:22.26 | Tepetkhet | I still call them Blood Knights. |
| 20:22.31 | Tepetkhet | Because I hate pallies. |
| 20:22.32 | Bagginsww | basically a blood knight is an elite BE paladin apparently |
| 20:23.10 | Bagginsww | but early quests they definitely call you a paladin |
| 20:23.56 | Hobinheim | i was having like a lore-crisis in my head the other day |
| 20:24.09 | Hobinheim | like you know the guideline where lore only makes sense if you read it from the pov of your character |
| 20:24.24 | Hobinheim | if lore involves killing someone... how do we write an article about it? |
| 20:24.31 | Hobinheim | like the dwarf espionage |
| 20:24.42 | Hobinheim | i imagine there would be a section describing that "players are instructed to do xyz" |
| 20:24.53 | Hobinheim | but the word players bugs me. like it pollutes and otherwise fine lore article |
| 20:25.06 | Hobinheim | but i guess players are instructed to kill everyone... =( |
| 20:25.39 | Bagginsww | wworst thing is some events have not happened yet |
| 20:25.43 | Bagginsww | even in BC |
| 20:25.56 | Bagginsww | like ony and nef are still plotting |
| 20:26.22 | Bagginsww | while naxx invasion has happened, ahn qiraj hasn't |
| 20:26.27 | Hobinheim | what |
| 20:26.32 | Bagginsww | read the manual |
| 20:26.35 | Bagginsww | for BC |
| 20:26.48 | Bagginsww | it has a run down on major events that have and haven't happened LOL |
| 20:26.54 | Bagginsww | ony is still alive |
| 20:26.58 | Bagginsww | nef is still alive |
| 20:27.12 | Bagginsww | gates of ahn qiraj are still closed |
| 20:27.18 | Tepetkhet | We haven't killed Ony or Nef. |
| 20:27.29 | Tepetkhet | My old or new guild. :( |
| 20:27.43 | Bagginsww | kel'thuzad has sent invasion |
| 20:27.44 | Tepetkhet | Wanted to. |
| 20:27.47 | sancus | Baggins: What do you expect? :P |
| 20:27.50 | Bagginsww | but he's still "plotting" |
| 20:27.59 | sancus | lore is inherently going to be messed up and broken in a static-world mmo |
| 20:28.02 | Tepetkhet | We tried before I gquit. I think we didn't have enough FR or ranged DPS. |
| 20:28.14 | Bagginsww | well basically all events of us killing Kael'thas probably won't happen in expansio 3 heh heh |
| 20:28.19 | Bagginsww | did we kill Illy? |
| 20:28.21 | Bagginsww | nope |
| 20:28.25 | sancus | they can't happen |
| 20:28.32 | sancus | players can't make things happen in WoW, and never will :P |
| 20:28.33 | Hobinheim | ugh... |
| 20:28.37 | Hobinheim | so like |
| 20:28.41 | Hobinheim | stuff in wow just IS |
| 20:28.41 | Hobinheim | right? |
| 20:28.43 | sancus | its impossible |
| 20:28.44 | sancus | correct |
| 20:28.46 | Hobinheim | like everything is active at the same time? |
| 20:28.47 | sancus | and always will be |
| 20:28.50 | Hobinheim | and nothing has "happened" |
| 20:28.57 | sancus | That's why it's a static world. |
| 20:29.03 | Bagginsww | well its not about 'player's making it happen" its just that similar events did not happen |
| 20:29.14 | Hobinheim | player "OMGWTF" has slayed Illidan.... |
| 20:29.21 | Hobinheim | that would make great lore |
| 20:29.24 | Bagginsww | so major quest lore may be inheritently flawed |
| 20:29.33 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 20:29.36 | sancus | not even 'major' quest lore |
| 20:29.42 | sancus | ALL quest lore is |
| 20:29.44 | Bagginsww | funny thing is not all of it is static |
| 20:29.50 | Bagginsww | rexxar has moved on |
| 20:29.53 | Hobinheim | well... |
| 20:30.00 | Bagginsww | few other characters have moved on |
| 20:30.12 | Bagginsww | but they get clones to do their old quests LOL |
| 20:30.21 | sancus | sure, so 99% of it is :P And ofc, the stuff that does change doesnt make any sense either |
| 20:30.30 | sancus | but that's ok |
| 20:30.36 | sancus | none of it is supposed to make sense |
| 20:31.12 | Bagginsww | however we have a date for when old battle of quragi happened |
| 20:31.21 | Bagginsww | 1 thousand years ago from the start of BC |
| 20:31.33 | Bagginsww | according to the manual |
| 20:31.42 | sancus | WoW's not about lore or history, it's about having shiny things to blow up and slice :p |
| 20:32.05 | Bagginsww | now with beholders |
| 20:32.16 | Tepetkhet | hah |
| 20:33.04 | Bagginsww | never played them |
| 20:33.14 | Tepetkhet | I can still hear the "you're DEAD" sound effect in my head... |
| 20:33.22 | Tepetkhet | And see that stupid ugly Beholder coming for me. |
| 20:33.45 | sancus | er, hmm |
| 20:33.56 | sancus | Tepet: You know you don't need ranged dps to kill ony or nef, right? |
| 20:34.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | Can I add a small note about the "we can't kill illidan" |
| 20:34.40 | Tepetkhet | sancus: I couldn't touch Ony in phase 2. |
| 20:34.54 | Tepetkhet | I couldn't even see her... :/ |
| 20:35.34 | sancus | huhwhat? |
| 20:35.44 | sancus | You have to be right underneath her, and all melee can hit her fine from there |
| 20:35.50 | sancus | done that since 2004 just fine |
| 20:35.58 | Tepetkhet | I couldn't see her to get underneath her. |
| 20:36.12 | Bagginsww | You are not prepared :p |
| 20:36.15 | Tepetkhet | I'd try to adjust my camera and get disoriented. |
| 20:36.35 | sancus | Designate someone to keep track of her and just follow them? |
| 20:36.47 | Tepetkhet | Well, it was the first time in there for most of us... |
| 20:36.55 | sancus | lol |
| 20:37.01 | Tepetkhet | But it's a moot point now. |
| 20:37.03 | sancus | Well, then, no wonder you haven't killed her :) |
| 20:37.23 | Tepetkhet | I left that guild the next day... |
| 20:37.30 | Tepetkhet | And now they're all about the xpac. |
| 20:37.41 | sancus | as they should be |
| 20:37.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | Just wanted to say, that knowing Blizzard, all the happenings in WoW will be eventually rewritten in a story. With the use of new names. It's static in the sense that we ourselves can not actually make things happen, however the thought behind our actions will happen nonetheless |
| 20:37.58 | Tepetkhet | Won't even touch old instances, probably. |
| 20:38.28 | Tepetkhet | I still want to kill old bosses. :/ |
| 20:38.30 | sancus | unless you have a couple people with 40 atiesh splinters or you're just really, really bored one day, not a whole lot of reason to touch them |
| 20:39.13 | sancus | Patrigan-Syldra: That's cute, but fairly meaningless speculation :P |
| 20:41.39 | Bagginsww | its kinda funny if you think about it. WoW occurs 1 year before BC, and yet most if not all events have not happened. So the date is fairly meaningless |
| 20:42.02 | Hobinheim | are you reading "one year has elapsed" in the manual or something? |
| 20:42.25 | Bagginsww | its in the manual, and in the game's in game voices overs too |
| 20:42.40 | Bagginsww | the intro movie for WoW was 4 years after |
| 20:42.50 | Bagginsww | according to the video |
| 20:42.59 | Bagginsww | and the video for the blood elves says 5 years later |
| 20:43.13 | Bagginsww | plus discussion in the manual |
| 20:43.33 | Bagginsww | "two years have passed since founding of durotar |
| 20:43.52 | Bagginsww | founding of durotar was roughly 1 year before WoW more or less |
| 20:44.02 | Bagginsww | according to official blizzard timelines. |
| 20:45.13 | Bagginsww | draogns of nightmare have attacked, and are still attacking apparently |
| 20:45.29 | Bagginsww | events of the sunken temple have occured |
| 20:45.40 | Bagginsww | and ZG resurrrection has happened |
| 20:45.54 | Bagginsww | although he's still alive apparently |
| 20:45.59 | Bagginsww | *hakkar that is |
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| 20:47.09 | Bagginsww | although it says, "heroe sof the world have bravely faced these challenges" |
| 20:47.09 | Bagginsww | so it could be read that they have happened |
| 20:47.09 | Hobinheim | ... |
| 20:47.09 | Hobinheim | you're throwing out so many years i'm confused |
| 20:47.09 | jrr | ,,, |
| 20:47.13 | Hobinheim | does that all reconcile? |
| 20:47.19 | Bagginsww | no idea |
| 20:47.24 | Bagginsww | you should check out hte mnual |
| 20:47.26 | Bagginsww | *manual |
| 20:47.52 | Hobinheim | where is blizzard's continuity intern |
| 20:47.57 | Bagginsww | "Then and Now" conflict and triumph in the World of Warcraft" |
| 20:48.02 | Hobinheim | WHERE |
| 20:48.20 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 20:50.12 | Bagginsww | worst case scenario I can think of is authors who are also gamers, write their character into their novels, LOL |
| 20:50.50 | Bagginsww | that would fit the true definition of mary sue, LOL |
| 20:51.06 | Bagginsww | oh ya |
| 20:51.21 | Bagginsww | weren't all male night elves supposed to be asleep for like 9000 years? |
| 20:51.29 | Tepetkhet | Druids? |
| 20:51.41 | Bagginsww | well it was implied that all males were druids |
| 20:51.43 | Bagginsww | in warcraft 3 |
| 20:51.49 | Tepetkhet | yeah |
| 20:51.49 | Bagginsww | actually might even state that |
| 20:52.04 | Bagginsww | well if war of the shifting sands happened 1000 years ago |
| 20:52.20 | Bagginsww | uh, that fandrel and his son were awak |
| 20:52.33 | Bagginsww | along with how many other male night elves? |
| 20:52.54 | Bagginsww | this just hit me.... btw, wasn't even thinking about it until now :p |
| 20:53.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | but weren't they awakened earlier by something? |
| 20:54.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | btw... |
| 20:54.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | we should prevent WoWwiki:Templates to pop up in categories... |
| 20:54.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://wowwiki.com/Category:Warcraft_TCG >.> |
| 20:55.44 | LucidFox | Bagginsww> not all male night elves, only druids |
| 20:55.49 | LucidFox | and they weren't _required_ |
| 20:55.52 | LucidFox | they chose to |
| 20:56.19 | Bagginsww | well the manual made it seem like there were no other males |
| 20:56.25 | LucidFox | don't forget that both the druids and the Sentinels are only small fractions of the population - there are countless civilians as well |
| 20:56.26 | Bagginsww | that their race was "all females" |
| 20:56.49 | Bagginsww | well not only that its kept up in other sources btw |
| 20:56.49 | LucidFox | the Sentinels are all females |
| 20:56.57 | Bagginsww | that the males were alseep |
| 20:57.15 | LucidFox | Only the druids. |
| 20:57.17 | Bagginsww | while the females kept everything in shape while they awaited for them to awak again. |
| 20:57.37 | Bagginsww | well that's the issue, the old story had all the males as druids |
| 20:57.47 | Bagginsww | things have changed since then |
| 20:58.17 | Bagginsww | some retcons whatever |
| 20:58.23 | Bagginsww | doesn't bother me |
| 20:58.25 | LucidFox | the average Joes lived in their villages for millennia and may have never even known that there even was such a thing as the Emerald Dream |
| 20:58.45 | Bagginsww | well that's the crazy bit the old stories did not allow for 'average joes" |
| 20:58.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 20:59.03 | Bagginsww | infact some sources imply that average joes didn't appear until after they lost hteir immortality |
| 20:59.10 | LucidFox | W3 original didn't show them, indeed |
| 20:59.14 | LucidFox | but FT does |
| 20:59.24 | Bagginsww | FT is after they awaken |
| 20:59.35 | Bagginsww | and after they lost their immortality |
| 20:59.37 | LucidFox | we see "Night Elf Villager" NPCs, some port villages in Azshara... |
| 21:00.18 | LucidFox | the fact that we didn't see "average joes" in W3 original didn't mean they didn't exist |
| 21:00.48 | Bagginsww | well this is hte problem in the RPG it tries to explain that when they lost hteir imortality they started taking on jobs they didn't have previously |
| 21:01.05 | LucidFox | similar to how we never saw female orcs or tauren, but that didn't imply they didn't exist either |
| 21:01.12 | Bagginsww | but historically there was a division, sleeping males, vs. awake females |
| 21:01.15 | Bagginsww | no one else |
| 21:01.23 | Bagginsww | this is not my interpretation |
| 21:01.24 | LucidFox | well... the RPG said Maiev was dead |
| 21:01.37 | Bagginsww | its also discussed in the manuals |
| 21:01.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | I wonder if Turalyon is dead... |
| 21:01.53 | Bagginsww | its not just the rpg |
| 21:01.58 | Bagginsww | sure a retcon may exist now |
| 21:02.12 | Bagginsww | but original story tried to make it black and white |
| 21:02.17 | LucidFox | what manuals? I checked the W3 manual, and it says nothing at all about NE civilians |
| 21:02.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | Bagginsww |
| 21:02.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | remember |
| 21:02.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | Black and white is easier to write than Greyshades |
| 21:02.48 | LucidFox | anyway, got to sleep... |
| 21:02.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | for an RTS you need Black and White |
| 21:02.50 | Bagginsww | agrees with patrigan |
| 21:02.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | because |
| 21:03.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | you need to have a reason and a story for war |
| 21:03.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | and differences must be great |
| 21:03.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | 2 factions with a lot of similarities don't fight eachother in an RTS |
| 21:03.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | however, in a real RPG World |
| 21:03.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | there are needs for Greyshades |
| 21:04.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | many people often forget that originally there were no plans for an RPG |
| 21:05.15 | Bagginsww | although I'm not sure specifically when the druids were supposed to have went into sleep |
| 21:05.19 | Bagginsww | its been a while |
| 21:05.25 | jrr | few similarities? have you *played* war2? =D |
| 21:06.43 | Bagginsww | ya its not clear how long the vigil was |
| 21:06.57 | Bagginsww | it could have been between 1000 years ago and the present |
| 21:07.22 | Bagginsww | all we know is that they sensed the time for their hiberation was upon them |
| 21:07.45 | Bagginsww | fandrel was a druid so he would liekly had to have been hiberating |
| 21:07.56 | Bagginsww | *is a druid |
| 21:09.22 | jrr | i'm not a big fan of new profession stuff beginning at 330. |
| 21:09.38 | jrr | i had enough runecloth saved up that first aid wasn't a big deal |
| 21:09.51 | Bagginsww | I'm finding it hard to level up between 320 and 330 on first aid :p |
| 21:09.54 | Tepetkhet | New profession stuff? |
| 21:09.54 | jrr | but now i gotta go mine somewhere in azeroth |
| 21:10.13 | jrr | Tepetkhet: most new recipes require 330 skill |
| 21:10.20 | Tepetkhet | I'm skinning/Leatherworking and didn't notice a problem like that. |
| 21:10.33 | Tepetkhet | LW has new recipes right away. |
| 21:10.55 | jrr | I had to burn alot of runecloth to get from 300 to 330, to learn netherweave |
| 21:11.05 | jrr | i haven't looked for engr recipes |
| 21:11.12 | Tepetkhet | I am putting netherweave in the bank now. |
| 21:11.25 | Tepetkhet | I have 1 stack |
| 21:11.26 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 21:11.28 | Bagginsww | ya manual for warcraft 3 has implication that keepers helped take care of the land while men slept LOL |
| 21:11.31 | Tepetkhet | Haven't been trying. |
| 21:15.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | jrr |
| 21:15.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | make Netherweave nets |
| 21:15.45 | jrr | ooh |
| 21:15.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | don't require that much |
| 21:16.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | and gives a good gain up to 310-320 |
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| 21:17.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | BAH! |
| 21:17.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'm thinking |
| 21:17.15 | jrr | er, that's tailoring |
| 21:17.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | Either I upload a shitload of pictures of every WoW Card |
| 21:17.28 | jrr | still talking about this? =] |
| 21:17.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | well I can continue |
| 21:17.51 | Hobinheim | consistency. intern. |
| 21:17.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | but afterwards I want to continue my Rant |
| 21:18.05 | Bagginsww | so Kirburn my cat died last night. |
| 21:18.05 | Kirkburn | Yay, Tusva is back :) |
| 21:18.10 | Bagginsww | of old age |
| 21:18.14 | Bagginsww | as far as I know |
| 21:18.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | aw, sad for you :( |
| 21:18.18 | Kirkburn | That's so sad :( |
| 21:18.26 | Hobinheim | ... |
| 21:18.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | mly cat was more on the happy side |
| 21:18.31 | Kirkburn | Peacefully, then? |
| 21:18.40 | Bagginsww | at least it appears she died peacefully, where we could find her. |
| 21:18.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | after a week of being gone from home, we finally found her back at his old place |
| 21:18.52 | Bagginsww | It would have been alot worse if it was a mysterious disappearance. |
| 21:18.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | him* |
| 21:19.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | yeah |
| 21:19.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | we were stressed to death "what if something happened" |
| 21:19.15 | Kirkburn | How old? |
| 21:19.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's so friggin annoyinh |
| 21:19.22 | Bagginsww | 12 years I think. |
| 21:19.33 | Kirkburn | Good for a cat :) |
| 21:19.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | yeah |
| 21:19.41 | Bagginsww | so if I'm in a more arguetive mood it might be the sadness :p |
| 21:19.52 | Kirkburn | That's okay :) |
| 21:20.08 | Kirkburn | What was her name? |
| 21:20.39 | Bagginsww | Nefertiri |
| 21:20.48 | Kirkburn | Aww, nice name |
| 21:20.50 | Bagginsww | I called her Neph for short. |
| 21:21.29 | Bagginsww | she was a calico |
| 21:22.03 | Kirkburn | That means several colours, no? |
| 21:22.19 | Kirkburn | (yay for wikipedia, boo for my lack of cat-knowledge) |
| 21:22.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | lol Kirkburn learn more about cats plix! |
| 21:23.05 | Bagginsww | several colors and always female |
| 21:23.07 | Hobinheim | nefarian |
| 21:23.15 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 21:23.30 | Bagginsww | she was a grumpy old cat, but not evil, LOL |
| 21:23.40 | Bagginsww | she just didn't like other cats very well LOL |
| 21:25.06 | Kirkburn | "Cat" ... the one faction you can never reached Honored with |
| 21:25.30 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 21:25.34 | equiraptor | I was exalted with a cat. |
| 21:25.45 | equiraptor | But not a faction of cats. :( |
| 21:25.49 | Bagginsww | easy for humans to get exalted with a cat, very hard for other cats to :p |
| 21:25.51 | Kirkburn | I can imagine that with a dog, but a cat? |
| 21:26.06 | equiraptor | Kirkburn: My cat would have attacked a human to protect me. She nearly did. |
| 21:26.08 | Bagginsww | we had a dog that got exalted with Neph |
| 21:26.16 | Kirkburn | awww, scary :P |
| 21:26.19 | Bagginsww | they'd always sleep together |
| 21:26.24 | Kirkburn | I've never been allowed to have a cat :( |
| 21:26.37 | equiraptor | She growled at said human and crouched to pounce. He stopped doing the seemingly threatening thing, so she stopped. |
| 21:26.45 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 21:27.04 | Kirkburn | Once I get my own place though, then there will eb cat fur everywhere, and I'll be taking anti-allergy pills all day long :P |
| 21:28.07 | Kirkburn | Have you been able to 'train' a cat? |
| 21:28.35 | Bagginsww | wouldn't evne want to try LOL |
| 21:28.38 | Bagginsww | cats are stubborn |
| 21:28.48 | equiraptor | Most of the time, cats train their people. |
| 21:28.54 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 21:29.07 | Bagginsww | yep all our cats could come to tell us when to let htem out |
| 21:29.16 | equiraptor | As an example, my boyfriend and I have been trained to turn on the bathtub faucet when our cat howls at us and leads us to the bathroom. |
| 21:29.35 | equiraptor | The cat prefers to drink running water. |
| 21:29.45 | Bagginsww | its always howl at us to lead them outdoors |
| 21:29.52 | equiraptor | Our cat has a cat door. |
| 21:29.56 | Kirkburn | heehee |
| 21:29.58 | equiraptor | Oh, we had to train him to use the cat door! |
| 21:30.05 | Bagginsww | and worst case is howl to be let in back door |
| 21:30.09 | Bagginsww | and then howl to be let out the front door |
| 21:30.14 | Bagginsww | cause going around would be too much work |
| 21:30.14 | equiraptor | heh |
| 21:30.24 | equiraptor | I love kitties. :) |
| 21:30.30 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 21:31.01 | equiraptor | I love horsies, too. |
| 21:31.09 | equiraptor | They say horsies are like two-year-old humans. All the time. |
| 21:31.27 | Tepetkhet | It hurts SO BAD...and I keep screwing things up at work. |
| 21:32.10 | Bagginsww | well i'm off take care everyone |
| 21:32.21 | equiraptor | Bye |
| 21:32.25 | equiraptor | :) |
| 21:35.22 | Kirkburn | Traffic rank for WoWWiki ... Today: 2,222 |
| 21:36.32 | Gryphen | i can't imagine the quality of users who would use alexa toolbar. seems to me you would want a low rank :) |
| 21:37.25 | Hobinheim | g-man, ouch |
| 21:37.29 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 21:37.48 | Kirkburn | Are there any other ranking sites out there? |
| 21:37.55 | Hobinheim | google... ? |
| 21:38.01 | Hobinheim | does anoyone have the google toolbar installed? |
| 21:38.13 | Gryphen | i do, but ranks off |
| 21:38.23 | Hobinheim | wow we're really low |
| 21:38.26 | Kirkburn | Google Pagrank is 5/10 |
| 21:38.34 | Kirkburn | *Pagerank |
| 21:38.39 | Hobinheim | ugh =( |
| 21:38.56 | Kirkburn | Compare BBC.com which is 7/10 |
| 21:39.00 | Kirkburn | 5/10 ain't bad |
| 21:39.16 | Hobinheim | so you're sayin' there's a chance! |
| 21:39.30 | Gryphen | cosmos is 5/10 heh |
| 21:39.31 | Kirkburn | Anyway, see the usage levels: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=www.wowwiki.com |
| 21:39.36 | Gryphen | its the feel good rank |
| 21:39.39 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 21:40.12 | Kirkburn | Over the last year we've increase rank from about 10,000 to 3,000 |
| 21:40.26 | Gryphen | http://www.google.com/trends?q=wowwiki |
| 21:40.36 | Kirkburn | At the end of 2005, we were about 40,000 |
| 21:40.59 | Kirkburn | Why would anyone search for wowwiki :P |
| 21:41.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | yeah ^^ |
| 21:41.07 | Gryphen | dont know |
| 21:41.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | the link is simple |
| 21:41.14 | Gryphen | keywords count as a search |
| 21:41.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | www.wowwiki.com |
| 21:41.32 | Gryphen | i type wowwiki into addy bar to get to www.wowwiki.com |
| 21:41.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | though, I've been doing a lot of promoting on several places lately |
| 21:41.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | crossserver |
| 21:41.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | always using Wiki links to people when tlaking bout somehting |
| 21:42.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | and always scolding and flaming people who speak of "untrustable" |
| 21:42.03 | Kirkburn | http://wowwiki.eu/ |
| 21:42.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | I've been very agrassive to those persons :< |
| 21:42.15 | Kirkburn | Patrigan-Syldra, :D |
| 21:42.18 | Hobinheim | uhh i just type in ww |
| 21:43.05 | Hobinheim | i've seen more mention of the wiki on goon forums, but always with a tag of "might be innaccurate" |
| 21:43.09 | Kirkburn | ..eu, .co.uk, .org, .net, .info are taken (from us) |
| 21:43.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | but, I don't dare to start a BigScale Promotion, simply due to the Buy gold Google Ads... |
| 21:43.48 | Gryphen | lol |
| 21:43.52 | Hobinheim | away from us you mean |
| 21:43.58 | Hobinheim | i.e. we did not buy them |
| 21:44.03 | Kirkburn | Yup |
| 21:44.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | If we get locked by Blizzard on the forums, it comes acros as bad reputation... |
| 21:44.08 | Kirkburn | .co.uk was registered on 14th Jan |
| 21:45.35 | Kirkburn | Eh? http://wowwiki.info/tiki-index.php |
| 21:48.27 | Kirkburn | "Speed: Average (53% of sites are slower), Avg Load Time: 2.0 Seconds" |
| 21:53.54 | Kirkburn | I miss the infernals :/ |
| 22:03.02 | Hobinheim | see |
| 22:03.06 | Hobinheim | invasions rock |
| 22:03.13 | Hobinheim | they rock your f'ckin' socks |
| 22:03.19 | Hobinheim | :headbang: |
| 22:03.39 | Hobinheim | did you add a policies section? |
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| 22:04.12 | Hobinheim | n/m its been there forever |
| 22:07.46 | Hobinheim | i was trying to redesign the todo box in the community portal last night |
| 22:07.48 | Hobinheim | i just couldn't... |
| 22:07.51 | Hobinheim | i feel like i need a whole page |
| 22:07.53 | Hobinheim | suggestions? |
| 22:08.19 | Hobinheim | to essentially replace the existing todo list |
| 22:08.25 | Hobinheim | which i think is lacking |
| 22:09.06 | Tepetkhet | home |
| 22:09.06 | Tepetkhet | Bye |
| 22:11.39 | Bagginsww | Hey kirk I decided to add a stubb to the outland species of chilmaera |
| 22:11.55 | Bagginsww | as its very alien, and needs more information :) |
| 22:13.13 | Bagginsww | I'd take a screenshot if it wasn't higher level than me heh heh |
| 22:14.56 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 22:17.32 | Hobinheim | Kirkburn, thoughts on a new todo page? |
| 22:20.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Orphanage |
| 22:20.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | is that even up to date? |
| 22:22.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Formulas:Critical_hit_chance time to clear the talk page of this one? seems silly to keep every single talk... |
| 22:23.08 | Hobinheim | archiving only old discussoins, never clearing |
| 22:23.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | well, archive it, because half of it is useless since 2.0 |
| 22:28.54 | Bagginsww | hmm someone listed bog giants under elemental. the ones I'm fighting are definitely giants. |
| 22:32.16 | Kirkburn | Why is it people take it upon themselves to make the wiki HARDER to edit :/ ARGH |
| 22:32.32 | Hobinheim | like what |
| 22:32.41 | Kirkburn | I have just spent the last half an hour trying to work out who fucked up the alchemy recipes stuff |
| 22:32.52 | Kirkburn | And why it was on the delete list |
| 22:33.31 | Kirkburn | ONLY use subpages when they're needed, not because it means you can cut a page down to 3 lines |
| 22:34.22 | Kirkburn | Anyways, should be sorted (and updatable) now |
| 22:35.53 | Hobinheim | reminds me of templates that should have been local, hahaha |
| 22:36.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | anyone knows what happened to the old rexxar? |
| 22:36.34 | Kirkburn | Eh? |
| 22:36.44 | Kirkburn | Does that question even make sense to you? |
| 22:36.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | Rexxar is now in Blade's edge, but he used to be in Desolace |
| 22:37.04 | Hobinheim | Kirkburn, you don't have any strong thoughts about templates that should have been local, do you? |
| 22:37.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | I wonder what happened to the quests he gave |
| 22:37.13 | Hobinheim | i was thinking of converting them all to localized sub pages |
| 22:37.19 | Kirkburn | Someone else does them, Patrigan-Syldra |
| 22:37.22 | Hobinheim | upon closer inspection, of course |
| 22:37.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | who? |
| 22:37.25 | Kirkburn | Should be on the Rexxar page |
| 22:37.41 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim, example |
| 22:37.42 | Kirkburn | ? |
| 22:38.08 | Hobinheim | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Tables:Talents:Druid:Balance |
| 22:38.44 | Hobinheim | specifically targetting templates that aren't generic, aren't parameterized, and are only used in one place |
| 22:39.22 | Kirkburn | Yes, I would say move as much of the content as close to the surface as possible |
| 22:39.26 | Hobinheim | koo koo |
| 22:39.39 | Kirkburn | The wiki is here to be edited, not to have 'funky' code |
| 22:40.43 | Hobinheim | what a mess... |
| 22:40.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | going to bed now |
| 22:40.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | gn! |
| 22:41.11 | Hobinheim | haha village pump is well over 32k... |
| 22:41.38 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 22:41.57 | Hobinheim | we're not even out of january yet... =( |
| 22:41.58 | Hobinheim | so messy |
| 22:42.32 | Hobinheim | i installed mediawiki on my home computer, i'm so excited |
| 22:43.51 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 22:44.06 | Hobinheim | jeez every article i click on is like RGGGHHHH inconsistent/ugly |
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| 22:45.09 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 22:46.03 | Kirkburn | Tseric the party guy - http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3374248 :P |
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| 22:52.15 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Thane&action=history |
| 22:52.29 | Bagginsww | umm they were honorary thanes... |
| 22:52.36 | Bagginsww | why does sylvarious keep on removing that |
| 22:52.50 | Bagginsww | its discussed in hte mountain king's article |
| 22:53.04 | Bagginsww | and you have access to the APG kirkburn you can verify that |
| 22:53.19 | Thrae | I saw a thane once. I moved it after my mom yelled "Ya'll dun betta move that thane!" |
| 22:53.24 | Hobinheim | apg? |
| 22:53.31 | Hobinheim | ... |
| 22:53.34 | Hobinheim | Thrae, that was rough. |
| 22:53.35 | Bagginsww | alliance player's guide |
| 22:53.41 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 22:55.02 | Kirkburn | Only HPG and LoM atm |
| 22:55.21 | Bagginsww | oh |
| 22:55.32 | Bagginsww | well silver fixed, seconds after removing it lol |
| 22:55.42 | Bagginsww | *sylvar |
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| 23:02.42 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Blood_elf_controversy |
| 23:02.43 | Bagginsww | uh huh |
| 23:03.00 | Bagginsww | godwin's law LOL |
| 23:12.10 | Hobinheim | wtf is a power |
| 23:12.17 | Hobinheim | is there ever an in-game citation for the word "power" |
| 23:15.40 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, argh |
| 23:16.55 | Bagginsww | well I've followed blood elves partway if they don't somehow treat their addictin they become worse and turn into the mad Wretched |
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| 23:17.54 | cb__ | anyone around? |
| 23:18.05 | Kirkburn | yes? |
| 23:19.10 | cb__ | ya'll got a Firefox search plugin? |
| 23:19.10 | Bagginsww | you were arghing the link I sent right? |
| 23:19.18 | Kirkburn | Msot certainly |
| 23:19.23 | Kirkburn | Godwin's Law ftl |
| 23:19.39 | Kirkburn | cb__, possible, I think it might still be around |
| 23:19.41 | Bagginsww | ya, no one will look at that post seriously |
| 23:20.08 | Hobinheim | a what? |
| 23:20.23 | cb__ | how about a tiny lil icon i use? |
| 23:20.24 | Kirkburn | cb__, there's info on the WoWWiki:Searching page, if it helps |
| 23:21.41 | Bagginsww | there is like two people on my server that already have an elekk mount |
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| 23:41.50 | Kirkburn | Spooks - so awesome |
| 23:46.43 | Hobinheim | jeesus noob editor... |
| 23:46.48 | Hobinheim | i'm cleaning up after their mess |
| 23:46.57 | Hobinheim | i don't have the patience to leave a nice message |
| 23:47.08 | Kirkburn | Who |
| 23:47.18 | Hobinheim | Mildellas |
| 23:52.13 | Hobinheim | fuck... |
| 23:52.30 | Kirkburn | what? |
| 23:52.32 | Hobinheim | the "wiki has a problem" page isn't the best designed page |
| 23:53.01 | Kirkburn | Well, it definately shows it has a problem ;) |
| 23:53.05 | Kirkburn | But yes, the text is obscured |
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| 23:58.57 | Kirkburn | That was freaky |
| 23:59.12 | Kirkburn | I just started listening to a Beatles album ... lots of drum intro then ... |
| 23:59.35 | Kirkburn | "Ginger!". At that second I just read the title on another album. It said: "Ginger" |