irclog2html for #wowwiki on 20070111

00:00.11Zeallol
00:00.19Zealthat sounds interesting
00:00.34Zealmakes me think the demon soul was used to reopen the portal.
00:00.44kuinkalalol im never gonna use razor blades again to shave my face
00:00.49Zealand that the aspect shards are scales from each dragon aspect.
00:01.08Zealhe's probably already have the black one, possibly the red too iirc.
00:01.12Zeal*he'd
00:06.49Zealyou knew why i was pissed at ragestorm, i said it in here :p
00:07.09Adysforgot =P
00:07.17Adyscouldnt have said andonisus
00:07.27AdysI just knew you were pissed for lore reasons :P
00:07.32Zeallol
00:07.41Adysand lore ....
00:07.41Zealwell i've said my final word on it now.
00:07.54Zeali honestly do not share the faith you guys have in him.
00:08.45Adysfin!
00:08.52Finc'est moi
00:08.52Adyswelcome back :)
00:08.57Finmerci
00:09.02Adyscome on your ts serv =P
00:09.15Finin a bit :)
00:09.16Adyszebby here :) - and sorry for the offtopic
00:09.31Fincool, I'll be there shortly
00:35.29KirkburnOh this is silly
00:35.32KirkburnNo internet again
00:35.55KirkburnYet here I am, chatting away
00:38.01Zeal: /
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01:07.06Kirkburnharrumph
01:07.18Zealpm?
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01:23.43Kirkburnarf
01:41.15BagginswwOnly thing I have against ragestorm is when he gets mad, he starts declaring something is more valid than other source. I usually have to calm him down, reminding him of Blizzard's statements on the issue, flavor lore, and sometimes incosistences crop up they are only human.
01:41.39Bagginswwso its not that big of a deal
01:41.56Bagginswwdoesn't shatter the universe :p
01:42.44BagginswwDraenei are a major retcon... I haven't let it shatter my opinion of Blizzard LOL. I'm quite enjoying the new lore surround such a major change.
01:49.50KirkburnHeya
01:49.59KirkburnJust been chatting with Zeal about it
01:50.29KirkburnYou gotta be relaxed on the wiki
01:50.37KirkburnAnd I really don't want us turning into wikipedia :P
01:50.54BagginswwHopefully in the future if someone wants more info from the books they just ask me via talk pages, and I'll go find the direct quote :p
01:51.27KirkburnDo you have every one noow?
01:51.31Kirkburns/noow/now/
01:51.41Bagginswwdo I have every book?
01:52.05BagginswwI have a few of them with me yes
01:52.35Bagginswwdon't ask me to find direct quotes for novels as I havne't read them all yet though LOL
01:52.46Kirkburnuseless! they barely cost anything, too :P
01:53.01BagginswwI own them
01:53.05Bagginswwjust haven't gotten to them
01:53.12Bagginswwschool, other stuff
01:53.28KirkburnBtw, as I said to Zeal: <Kirkburn> Theron is just very very annoying, and very close to a ban
01:53.52KirkburnI've given him his final warning
01:54.38Zeal<3 Kirkburn
01:55.08KirkburnTo all: if you ever find something/someone really getting you angry on the wiki, step away for a while, just so you're in a good frame of mind to think clearly
01:55.21Zealhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Floating-Portable-Speakers-for-i-Pod/dp/B000KFS2IW or the RPG books? lol
01:55.33Zeali want to use my ipod in the bath/shower
01:55.34Zeallol
01:55.45KirkburnI know not everyone are natural diplomats (I had to be at school, damn being a nerd :), but you gotta try =)
01:56.02KirkburnZeal, lol
01:56.17Zealmy xmas money is going to one of those..
01:56.17Zeallol
01:56.29KirkburnI'd go for the RPG books cause how often are you in the shower?
01:56.39Zeal>_<;
01:56.45Zeal*>_>;
01:57.16KirkburnGet yourself other distractions for there, like rubber duckies or a person of your favourite sex ...
01:57.24Zeallol
01:58.34Zealthere is a book on amazon about how to hack wow..
01:58.56KirkburnThat reminds me, gonna order some stuff now
01:59.03Zealgold? lol
01:59.32Kirkburner, no, never
01:59.40KirkburnLink to the book?
01:59.44ZealManual of Monsters = £1,000+ :o
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02:00.25Bagginswcomputer crashed
02:00.31Bagginswnot it won't let me log into bagginsww :p
02:00.38Zeal<Zeal> Manual of Monsters = £1,000+ :o
02:00.49BagginswI'm not selling my copy
02:00.55KirkburnBagginsw, which RPG book do you recommend?
02:01.04KirkburnIf you had to choose one
02:01.04Bagginswfor a first book?
02:01.07Zealhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Hacking-World-Warcraft-ExtremeTech-Gilbert/dp/0470110023/
02:01.10Bagginswgo with any of the brann books
02:01.26BagginswLands of Conflict, Lands of Mystery, APG, HPG
02:01.39Bagginswmost interesting for lore reading
02:01.54Bagginswespecially if you liked the Thrall introduction style in RotH
02:02.12Bagginswafter that hmm, maybe Shadows & Light
02:02.23KirkburnZeal, ah, it covers UI stuff
02:02.23Bagginswsince it covers info about the Eternals
02:02.49BagginswEternals being any demon, Ancient, elemental lords, etc
02:02.50KirkburnDan Gilbert is the name of the Atlas guy
02:02.58Bagginswnothing on Old Gods sorry
02:03.52Zealok..
02:04.06Zealwell i assumed it was soemthing liek that when i took a closer look
02:04.29Zeal£1,125.41 MoM used..
02:04.31Zealwtf!?!?
02:04.42Bagginswpdf is the only way to get the book now LOL
02:04.46Bagginswunless you are rich
02:05.07Bagginswyou might want to just wait for Monster Guide
02:05.29Bagginswnewly improved and color pictures from what I hear
02:05.38Bagginswand about twice as long
02:06.10KirkburnWhat does Conflict and Mystery cover?
02:06.22BagginswConflict is eastern kingdoms
02:06.25Bagginswmyster is kalimdor
02:06.36Bagginswits basically Brann's adventures around the world
02:06.39Zealhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Pop-Displays-2006-V05-Warcraft/dp/1598165542
02:06.40Zeal:o
02:07.12KirkburnLots of stuff to read, I hope? :)
02:07.17Bagginswya
02:07.21Bagginswmore lore than rpg stats
02:07.32Kirkburncool
02:07.38Kirkburn*sigh* when will part 3 come
02:07.48Bagginswif you want to avoid too much rpg stats avoid the Magic and Mayhem books
02:07.57Bagginswgood 3/4s is dedicated to spells
02:08.07Bagginswand that's all statistical for the most part
02:08.29BagginswAlliance Player's Guide and Horde Player's Guide
02:08.30Zeali disliek they refer to addons and macros etc as hacks on that book
02:08.32Bagginsware like his addendums
02:08.37Bagginswto those conflict series
02:08.49Bagginswwhere he goes into socio/political commentaries
02:09.03Bagginswand how he's on his way to outland
02:09.11Kirkburn31st Jan for monster guide
02:09.18Bagginswso hopefully we getan Outland book soon
02:09.56Bagginswclosest so far for outland, emerald dream, etc was in Shadows and Light
02:10.04Zealok.. here is what i've got... Warcraft Archive, S&L, M&M, LoC, LoM, MM&M, WoWRPG, HPG, APG = £130
02:10.06Bagginswjust not Brann's take
02:10.29Bagginswplenty of reading there
02:10.32ZealWCRPG would be about an extra "5
02:10.37Zeal*£25
02:10.44Bagginswwcrpg is good for the short stories
02:10.47Zealthe overs are £100+
02:10.52Zeal*others
02:10.58Bagginswotherwise much of it is covered again in the WoWRPG
02:11.17Zealwell i can only get it cheap used, new its like £55
02:11.26Zealso i think i'll pass..
02:11.35BagginswAlliance & Horde player's guide is good for pandaren and blood elf histories
02:11.38Zealbooks are not soemthing that hold up well used..
02:12.01Bagginswmine are in great condition but I'm careful
02:12.44KirkburnBagginsw, which first - APG&HPG or Conflict&Mystery? :)
02:12.54Bagginswahh go with conflict and mystery
02:13.08Bagginswcause APG & HPG read like sequels to those books
02:13.21KirkburnActually, I have no choice, one of each is out of stock :P
02:13.26Bagginswand the conflict and mystery are older and at least one may be out of print
02:13.39Bagginswthat's the worst thing about rpg books
02:13.41Bagginswthey sell out fat
02:13.43Bagginsw*fast
02:13.56Bagginswwhat you can't get hardcover I recommend drivethrugh rpg
02:13.59Bagginswfor pdf
02:14.42KirkburnGoing for HPG for now, cheapest
02:15.10Bagginswwell I know the shipping can be an issue but you could try to get APG through amazon.com us
02:15.25Zealfree delivery at .co.uk
02:16.10BagginswYou'll like the Horde Player's guide, very entertaining read
02:16.25Bagginswjust beware of his refrences back to his older books LOL
02:16.34Zeal"Only 3 left in stock--order soon." ffs
02:16.39Bagginswseveral times he's like see, such and such
02:16.44Zeali might have to order my speakers instead..
02:16.45KirkburnLol, one's mine Zeal!
02:17.33BagginswI can't wait for the third manga
02:17.39Zealhuh? you ordered speakers?
02:17.45BagginswI want to see how accurate that BC blood elves history is to it
02:18.02ZealGhostlands sure is taking a while : /
02:18.15Bagginswapparently not
02:18.16KirkburnRawr
02:18.20Bagginswthey have been released one year apart
02:18.22Bagginswon the dot
02:18.26Zealoh
02:18.30Bagginswthey did this on purpose :p
02:18.34Kirkburn"Only 3 left in stock--order soon." <-- HPG, no?
02:18.36Zeali thought the first two were fairly close, like months
02:18.42Zealno, that's for the speakers :P
02:18.52BagginswI thought so too then I looked at hte release dates
02:18.52Zealthere are other suppliers, so i think i'm safe actually.
02:19.11Bagginswmarch 2005, march 2006, and now march 2007
02:19.12Zeali think it's cos, as usual, blizz store is late
02:19.13Kirkburn"Only 4 left in stock--order soon (more on the way). " <-- HPG
02:19.25Zealand i went off when they announced the first one
02:19.37BagginswI think Whitewolf only makes a limited run of books
02:19.44Bagginswsells them out and then only makes 1 or 2 more reprints
02:20.36BagginswI already know what the cover of monster guide looks like but I haven't seen a color version of it online yet :p
02:20.54BagginswI've only seen what it looks like in the back of the HPG.
02:23.22BagginswOh and kirkburn some very good short stories in HPG
02:23.27Kirkburncool
02:23.28Bagginswsome that tie into Lord of hte Clans
02:23.48Bagginswmore on Thrall's time with blackmoore
02:24.06KirkburnAwesome
02:24.07Bagginswand there is some extensions to Eitregg's story as well.
02:24.30KirkburnI get to see my WC books again 2moro :)
02:24.35Bagginswheh
02:24.36Bagginswnice
02:25.18Bagginswone of the more inrestesting tales involves a paladin that infiltrates Undercity with the help of a former holy light priest, who is now Forsaken
02:25.37BagginswThis priest goes into concept that hte light has Forsaken him
02:25.43Bagginswhe can no longer use its powers
02:26.10BagginswBut he refuses to use Shadow
02:26.14Bagginsw*forgotten shadow
02:26.22Bagginswso hes a shale of who he once was
02:26.24Bagginsw*shell
02:26.49Zealordered
02:27.25BagginswHe would just like to be remembered for who he was in life, and help to the best of his abilities to save the people apothecary are experimenting on
02:27.51Bagginswlet me find it and quote a few lines from it
02:28.24BagginswOh there is a story about Gorn
02:28.46BagginswGorn the orc, not the furbolog
02:28.50Kirkburnooh
02:29.01Bagginswtalks about his brother
02:29.59Zealhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/registry/wishlist/JS31H8JCMIBJ :p
02:34.58Zealamazon delivery estimates are always so off..
02:35.07Zeal"21 Mar 2007 - 23 Mar 2007" for the bulk of my order
02:35.26Zealroughly the same time it said RotH would arrive >_>
02:35.42Bagginswok apprarently Leonid Barthalomew was once Forsaken
02:35.50Bagginswbut left them because he did not agree with their beliefs
02:37.04BagginswThe undead priest is a supporter of Barthalomew
02:37.09KirkburnZeal, ouch
02:37.41ZealHPG is 14th of jan
02:37.51Zealalong with.. WoWRPG
02:38.35KirkburnZeal, same for me 14th
02:38.37BagginswBelieve me when I say WoWRPG is hardly worth it :p
02:38.51Bagginswno short stories
02:39.03Bagginswand most of it is retread of what you can find in other books but better
02:39.09Bagginswalthought it has nice color pictures LOL
02:39.26Bagginswwell it has one anecdote but that's all
02:39.52Zealbut it has the most complete timeline ;)
02:39.53KirkburnNo wait, "quietly"? What am I thinking about ...
02:40.00Zealrofl Kirkburn
02:40.04BagginswI printed up the entire timeline word for word for you LOL
02:40.08KirkburnHow about the board game? :)
02:40.09Bagginswno paraphrase
02:40.11Zeali know
02:40.21BagginswI don't have the baord game LOL
02:40.23Zeali doubt the baord games have lore.. lol
02:40.25KirkburnYeah, er, let'a not plagiarise too much =)
02:40.28Kirkburn*let's
02:40.42Bagginswthere is some lore in the boardgame I guess
02:40.46KirkburnI was wondering if anyone's played it :P
02:40.51Zealnah
02:40.52Bagginswinvolving setup for the games
02:41.04Zealtheres a wc3, tft and wow one iirc.
02:41.05Zealwow one is probably worthwhile
02:41.08Bagginswwc3 and tft were together
02:41.14Zealnah, theres two iirc
02:41.16Bagginswwell the game and and expansion
02:41.21Bagginswtft was an expansion
02:41.31Zealhm.. i've seen it stand alone :S
02:41.32Bagginswthere website had some "lore"
02:41.38Bagginswfor some varietn games to setup
02:41.50KirkburnI think I may have to import Vista
02:41.53Bagginswwell I think TFT could be played standalone
02:42.00Bagginswor expansion of the original
02:42.10Bagginswit just added in more location tiles
02:42.28Kirkburn£369.99 for Vista Ultimate, it's just crazy
02:42.34Bagginswok shh story time
02:42.38KirkburnIn US $379.99
02:42.42BagginswYou wear the robes of a priest, Trevor
02:42.56Bagginswwhy do you not channel the Light in battle, if you seek redemption?
02:43.05KirkburnThe injustice! The injustice! I can't be quiet! Rawr!
02:43.07BagginswThe priest seemed to wince at that
02:43.25BagginswWhile I refuse to wield the shadow, the Light has refused me, or so it seems
02:43.39Bagginswand so, I am truly a broken man
02:43.57BagginswI learned to wield the spears of LIght in the First War, not a solid weapon like Uther's knights did in the Second
02:44.19BagginswWithout the Light, I am unarmed and unarmored - but not entirely helpless as you see
02:44.51BagginswAndarin couldn't help but fee a little bit sorry for the fallen priest, if his story was true.
02:45.19BagginswPerhaps a man, no matter how virtuous , could not channel holy power while in such a form.
02:45.30Bagginswalright that's the part I wanted to type up
02:45.32Kirkburn(Zeal, btw, I know one of the writers of the HackWoW book)
02:46.06KirkburnBagginsw, nice
02:46.06Zealkk
02:46.06Zealand ouchy Kirkburn
02:46.13Zealwhen is vista actually out, already? :s
02:46.18Kirkburn30th
02:46.21Zealkk
02:46.24BagginswThat's far mor interesting than the gameplay in WoW allowing you to use both
02:46.33Zealbeen running every beta and RC i've managed to get on my other pc
02:46.41Zeallast i saw, it still wasn't up to scratch
02:46.44Bagginswit was always one or the other back in Warcraft III too
02:46.49KirkburnI have RC2 on my desktop
02:46.58Zeali've got one after RC2
02:47.07Zealdon't recall what version
02:47.07KirkburnUh
02:47.09KirkburnRelease?
02:47.13Zealnope
02:47.17KirkburnRC2 was the last one
02:47.17Zeallimited release ones
02:47.28KirkburnYear RC2 was v limited
02:47.31Kirkburn*yeah
02:47.51KirkburnBagginsw, that's true
02:48.00KirkburnIt'd be a bit boring though =)
02:48.22ZealBuild 5808 i think it was
02:48.33ZealPre-RTM
02:48.39KirkburnGiven the 3 month gap between RTM and proper release, I'm sure it'll be so much more stable
02:48.43Zealhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_Windows_Vista#Pre-RTM
02:49.17KirkburnOh right
02:49.24KirkburnOf course, forgot about those
02:49.46Zeal"However, a catastrophic "show-stopper" bug was found that destroyed any system that was upgraded from Windows XP. Only completely reinstalling Windows would fix the computer."
02:49.47Zealrofl
02:50.20KirkburnYeah, remember Thurott's article about that :P
02:51.06KirkburnI'm def going for Ultimate
02:51.10Zealsame
02:51.20Zeali took their little test thingy to see which it recommended
02:51.22KirkburnI'll get too jealous otherwise ;)
02:51.23Zealultimate :p
02:51.28Kirkburnyeah
02:51.31Kirkburnsame
02:51.44Bagginswso is vista ultimate the version worth getting?
02:51.52KirkburnBagginsw, thanks for your recommendations, I await my HPG with anticipation!
02:52.03BagginswEnjoy!!!
02:52.04KirkburnIt is, for Dreamscape :)
02:52.25Kirkburnwait, do I meant that?
02:52.44KirkburnDreamScene
02:52.59KirkburnDeskScape is the free upgrade for that from Stardock (whom I love)
02:53.08Bagginswwhat are those?
02:53.18KirkburnDreamScene allows you to have motion desktops
02:53.26Kirkburne.g. smoothly animated backgrounds
02:53.29Bagginswooh
02:53.40Kirkburnbrb
02:53.48Bagginswso I could have a ocean scene with actual moving waves?
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02:55.09Bagginswwell I'm off need to find some food, and play some wow
02:55.58KirkburnBagginsw, exactly
02:55.58Zealkk. nn Bagginsw
02:56.09KirkburnThey showed one with a waterfall
02:56.16Zealand i dislike paying for stardock, plenty happy using it
02:56.37KirkburnI renewed by ObjectDesktop sub yesterday
02:56.38Zealhowever, their last version of windows blinds purposely corrupts your system if you illegally install it
02:56.43Zealso i hate the fuckers now
02:56.49Kirkburnheh, yeah, that's what forced me to buy it :P
02:56.55KirkburnActually
02:57.00Zeali hope they get sued for it
02:57.01KirkburnIt was the hack's fault
02:57.07Zealoh?
02:57.08KirkburnIt wasn't Stardock
02:57.43Zeali'm still running windows blind 4.5, so not had the displeasure of my pc being fucked.
02:57.46KirkburnBasically what happened was that a timer went off (a trial timer), but due to the hack being in place, it didn't restore back to normal
02:57.57Zealhm..
02:58.28Zealso the hack didn't do a complete job, resulting in a software messing up the system where it normally would have been just reset?
02:58.32KirkburnSo in a way it was Stardock's fault, but more for actually using that hack in the first place
02:58.39Kirkburnyes
02:58.49Zealfair enough
02:58.52Zealstill not paying >_>
02:59.04KirkburnYou could still undo the problem though
02:59.16Zealhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_%22Vienna%22 ftw
02:59.24KirkburnJust took me patience to slooowly get to the 'unload' option
02:59.40Kirkburnyeah :)
02:59.55KirkburnGryphen, you're amongst MS friends here :D
03:00.07Gryphenh00t
03:00.51Zealok wtf @ Fiji
03:02.14KirkburnPoor country, it never deserved it
03:03.40ZealO_o
03:03.43Zeali'm talking about the windows codename
03:05.09Zealwindows has always come in the following style. version, revision, new version, revision, new version, revision. Vista breaks that, as it's a second revision.
03:05.46ZealFiji was added, afaik, as another revision to vista. with vienna being the new version vista was supposed to be.
03:05.59Kirkburnoh right
03:06.02Zealwiki admins have removed all trace of fiji now though..
03:06.23KirkburnVista is a second revision?
03:06.27Zealyes
03:06.30Zealof her.. NT
03:06.38Zealwindows xp was the revision
03:06.40Zeal*er
03:06.42equiraptorWhat version is vista?
03:06.50Zealrevision 2 :P
03:06.51equiraptor2k was 5, XP was 5.1.
03:07.10equiraptor5.2 is Windows Server 2003.
03:07.17Zealyes
03:07.24Zealthis is exlusing server revisions
03:07.28Kirkburn6.0 is Vista
03:07.33Zeal*excluding
03:07.43Zealyeah, which is a lie though Kirkburn ;)
03:08.00Zealit's still NT underneath, heh.
03:08.01KirkburnThey always bump the revisions
03:08.11equiraptorUhh... That's why it's NT 6.0.
03:08.17equiraptorAs 2000 was NT 5.0
03:08.31KirkburnYou're being silly, Zeal :P
03:08.33Tekkub2K was NT made a tad better
03:08.37Zealyes.. not talking about those numbers..
03:08.41TekkubXP was 2k with an ugly skin
03:08.48equiraptorOk. I am talking about those numbers. :)
03:09.09TekkubVista is XP with an ugly skin and pointless overuse of "pretty" fading effects
03:09.28Tekkub^^
03:09.32KirkburnWhat is http://www.wowwiki.com/You_are_not_preperd - I can't reach it :/
03:09.39Kirkburnoh, got it now
03:10.04Tekkubyou know, "You are not prepared" seems more appropriate for people upgrading to Vista than to TBC now that I think about it
03:10.07KirkburnTekkub, I completely disagree you assclown :) (always wanted to say that)
03:10.11equiraptorHeh
03:10.27TekkubKirkburn, fucksmudge
03:10.52Kirkburnlol "This is wat illidan said in the cinematic trailer to the Burning Crusade. "
03:11.17Zealok, i need to correct myself. win2k, winxp, winvista. it's the normal consumer market products.
03:11.57TekkubI find it funny people that whine about dictionaries and words not existing
03:12.05Zealthe wiki used to explain it better :(
03:12.14TekkubEnglish is such a conglomerated bastardization of so many languages
03:12.35Zealindeed
03:12.52TekkubKirkburn, my version of the page: "It's true, you aren't"
03:13.01Kirkburnlol
03:14.04Zealvista was supposed to start a new line, they couldn't acheive it, so went back and just remade 2000. vienna is what vista was supposed to be, but because of their normal release pattern, fiji should come before that, driving vienna even further back.
03:15.05TekkubZeal... so wait....
03:15.17TekkubXP was MS geting rid of the shitty kernel
03:15.34Zealno?
03:15.44Zealvista was supposed to be ms getting rid of it.
03:15.50Tekkubnow they want to get rid of that line... but being MS they can't pull it off in a timeframe of, oh, a decade.....
03:15.54Tekkubthat about right?
03:15.57KirkburnMy new wallpaper: http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/2007/01/anipals_in_a_mo.html
03:16.10Tekkubno, XP was them abandoning the 9x line
03:16.11Zealyes
03:16.15Zealno
03:16.16Tekkuband thank god they did
03:16.22Zeal2000 was
03:16.38Tekkubno it wasn't, cause there was ME too
03:16.57Zealwhich came before, and was the death of that line
03:17.05Zeal98, ME.
03:17.17Tekkuberm... okey... lemme rephrase then
03:17.20Kirkburn2000 was not a consumer product
03:17.28KirkburnXP was the first combined product
03:17.33Zealit was designed to be.
03:17.33TekkubXP was them pushing the NT core upon "average" users
03:17.42Zealyes Tekkub
03:17.43KirkburnYeah, but they changed befoe release
03:17.56Kirkburnindeed
03:18.08Zealbecause it needed to be. but don;t forget the nt core has always changed along side others.
03:18.29Tekkubend of story.... expect revolutionary ideas from MS, but expect 4 other vendors to release products that use the idea years before MS actually does :)
03:18.45Zealrofl
03:19.12Tekkuband once MS does they tout it as great new tech *coughtabbedbrowsingcough*
03:19.13Zealms usually has the ideas first, they jsut drag their feet implementing them :P
03:19.28Zeallol
03:19.47KirkburnHey, MS didn't tout tabbed browsing as something they thought up
03:19.56KirkburnFF did :P
03:19.57Zealthey didn't? lol
03:20.11KirkburnNo they didn't
03:20.18Tekkubno but they tougt it as cutting edge wave of the future
03:20.33KirkburnOf course they would, it's cutting edge for most people :P
03:20.34Zealit's like the PS3's new controller technology.. so new, it existed in third party controllers on the ps2..
03:20.58KirkburnBut they never claimed they were first
03:21.06Zealthey didn't? lol
03:21.12Tekkubhey, PS3 costs so much cause they had to think that shit up themselves
03:21.23KirkburnZeal, PS1, even
03:21.23Tekkubyou know how much you have to pay creative people
03:21.53KirkburnSony botched up yesterday when they released a press release saying the SIXAXIS had won an emmy
03:22.17KirkburnThat was, until the Emmy guys said, er, no you didn't, the Dual Shock did, and it was a joint award
03:22.34ZealXP SP2 is like.. "hey, we're sorry vista is taking so long, we'll jsut fix some things that have always been broken but we've not really realized or cared about up until now. that should keep you happy"
03:22.50KirkburnKeep the European Commision happy, you mean
03:23.08Zeallol Kirkburn
03:23.39Zealwii all the way.
03:23.39KirkburnSymantec has gone off on another war against the Vista security again now
03:23.47Zealno surprises
03:23.52KirkburnI really wonder what that company's policy is
03:23.54Zealkeeps them in business :P
03:24.06Zealmakes them look good and needed
03:24.07Zeallol
03:25.04KirkburnAwwww! http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/2006/12/galileo_gets_a_.html
03:25.10Zealits like "there is an exploit on the system that allows a program to this and that without your consent" and you're like.. "so? i just won't be stupid enough to download programs that might"
03:25.49Zealfor soem reason, i like cats, but not kittens..
03:25.53Zeal:S
03:26.05Kirkburnfreak
03:26.24KirkburnSymantec's latest idea is to try and circumvent UAC
03:26.37Zealrofl
03:26.53Zealwell it is vista primary security feature
03:26.59Zeal*vista's
03:27.16KirkburnI know, I mean if they take that out of the equation, everyone will need Symantec!
03:28.00Zealindeed
03:28.06ZealUAC is annoying though..
03:28.22KirkburnAn unfortunate side effect of being power users
03:28.22Zealless so than virus/net protection software
03:28.46KirkburnIt's easy enough to get around though - I set the Program Files directory accessible :P
03:29.19KirkburnQualify that, you meant NORTON virus/net protection software, surely :P
03:29.22Zeali find it rather counter-productive and retro active to click though and say "yes i want this to do what i just told it to do" and "yes i want this to access the internet, after all, i did run it"
03:29.42Zeali was thinking of norton
03:29.47KirkburnIt should be better in the final product, once we're running it 'normally'
03:29.53Zealbut its the same on all of them. especially in the case of software firewalls
03:30.14Kirkburn(and once software is configured properly with the correct places to put files)
03:30.22Zealit's all opt-in stuff. well if i ran it, ofc i want it to do it.. either than or i'm an idiot.
03:30.55KirkburnIf on the shelf progs get UAC prompts, they've been coded badly (or are extremely advanced, I guess)
03:31.03Kirkburn*off-the-shelf
03:31.04Zealso much nicer just leaving the router firewall to do it's job :)
03:31.16Zealtrue true
03:31.36Zealthe nvidia firewall would have been nice.. if it worked.
03:31.53KirkburnIt's unfortunate that there's the double prompt problem, but it was a design issue with Vista and would have required a complete recode to prevent
03:32.02Zealindeed
03:32.03Kirkburn(come on Vienna!)
03:32.07Zealyuup :P
03:32.25KirkburnI love hearing cats meow =)
03:32.30Zeali hope fiji was scrapped..
03:32.43Zeallol.. i won't go into cats meowing..
03:34.24Kirkburnmeooow!
03:34.33Zeal:p
03:34.43Zealcatgirls ftw..
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03:38.42Zeallol @ random lurker :P
03:39.20ZealKirkburn, bold links in watchlist, wtf do they mean? :S
03:39.35KirkburnThat's you've not visited the page
03:39.43KirkburnVisiting a diff doesn't count
03:39.50Kirkburn(unfortunately)
03:40.00Adysnor visiting a redirect><
03:40.03kuinkalahehee
03:51.17Zealok.. i can onyl think it means i've not visted, since last edit.
03:51.26Zealnot just simply not visted :P
03:51.29Zealkk
03:51.43Zealjsut seems oddly inconsitant at times, wasn't sure :s
03:54.43KirkburnTo bed!
03:54.50KirkburnGood night all!
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04:19.44Zeallo Hobinheim
04:25.40Hobinheimhello =/
04:27.24Zealwhats up?
04:27.44Hobinheimehh not happy with some nav templates
04:27.47Hobinheimnav templates are my baby!
04:28.00Hobinheimso i'm trying to come up with el solucione in cabasa
04:29.25Zeali barely speak english, let alone anything else :P
04:29.28Hobinheimi'm also behind in wow and behind in life...
04:29.37Hobinheimso i'm trying to come up with a solution in my head
04:29.49Hobinheimwhere are you from? adys land?
04:29.52Zealand i shall be the doom fo your babies if my evil plans for wiki domination works mwuahahaha
04:29.56AdysOi
04:30.56Zeallol
04:31.42Zealcategories > nav templates
04:32.14Zeali might start on.. what i started with items pages
04:32.30Zealswitching over all the tooltips to my newer one.
04:34.08Hobinheimwhere?
04:41.16Zealhm?
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05:08.04ZealHobinheim, forget who's but i took the existing tooltip template, converted it to a div+list, made the changes someone (i think kirkburn) was trying out for the icon, and added in lots of conditional stuff, even scalling of the tooltip.
05:08.20Zeal*-forgot who's but
05:08.36Hobinheimlink
05:09.01Zealhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Tooltip
05:09.36Hobinheimfuck i was going to work on that
05:09.47Hobinheimhmm
05:09.54Zeallol
05:10.03Hobinheimoh well
05:15.00Zealfeel free to help implement it though ;)
05:15.53Hobinheimnot until tek and i can get raws from the db
05:16.04Hobinheimi've zero inkling in helping out with quests and items until then
05:16.12Zeallol i see
05:16.30Zealimagine that goes for spells too then ;)
05:16.52Zealthink i'll do this via "what links here" for tooltipcss
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05:21.16Zealwb :p
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06:05.44Zealsigh.. gunna need to change the effect template too..
06:06.04Adyscareful with that
06:06.17Adysits more linked than the bc one
06:06.41Zeali know.. i'm not doing it until i've converted all the items
06:06.52Zealbasically the effect template has table code..
06:07.00Zealso can't be used in the new template
06:07.18Adysjust use a new template similar to effect then
06:07.25Adyseffectdiv or something
06:08.02Zealnot any easier
06:08.20Adysyes but gives the chance to be able to roll it back
06:08.39Zealbasically gotta unlink it from everywhere (which i can do in the process anyways), edit the effect template, then go back and link them up again.
06:09.32Zealnot really
06:09.39Zealeither way i've gotta go back and redo it all
06:10.12Zealie, when i'm done, replace the effect template and go back and set them to use that again.
06:11.05Zeali supposed adding a new template will allow me to keep track though..
06:11.08Zealhm.. fair enough
06:26.53Zeali need to fix {{gsc}} too tbh.. sc c gs or w/e other combinations people are coming up with.. they're redundant. it should all be handled in gsc
06:27.25Zealin reality {{cost}} could handle gsc and tokens
06:29.20Zealgsc is protected? ¬_¬
06:29.39Adysyes
06:29.44Adysits used everywhere
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06:29.57Adysedition of the template slows down the wiki for 5 mins easily
06:31.08HobinheimOH RAILY LET ME GO EDIT IT
06:31.18Adyslmao
06:31.35Hobinheimgod i cannot bring myself to play wow right now
06:31.37Hobinheimwith all the alts
06:31.40Hobinheimand my mods are broken
06:31.43Hobinheimi need perfect updates!
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06:39.42Zealhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:Gsc
06:39.58Fintop
06:40.02Fin-top
06:40.09Finhmmmm
06:40.22Finthis isn't my shell window
06:41.04Zealis there a token cost template?
06:41.12Adysyes zeal
06:41.18Adys{{Alt Currency}}
06:41.53Hobinheimoh lordy...
06:42.21Zealwoah..
06:42.30Tekkubwhat?
06:43.01Zealthat template
06:43.05Tekkubwhat about it?
06:43.55Zealrather unnecessarily messy :P
06:44.24Zealoh well, i'll take a break from the items and make {{cost}} then.
06:44.26Tekkubwell it was designed around a bot uploading shit
06:44.33Zeallol
06:44.41Tekkubbut at this point I'm kinda meh on the whole bot thing
06:44.51Tekkubhavn't even seen Mik in weeks anyway
06:45.05Tekkub*Mikk
06:46.12Hobinheimzeal i like your proposal to gsc
06:46.18Hobinheimi just... don't know how that's going to work. editing it
06:47.23Zealwell it doesn't need to be done
06:47.29Zealif its that much hassle, its pointless
06:47.45Zealcos i'll jsut be adding {{cost}} instead.
06:52.18Hobinheimtekkub when do you expect wowace to chill out
06:52.25Hobinheimi'm like... having so much non-playing anxiety right now
06:52.29Tekkubwho fuckin knows
06:52.38Tekkubhit Google Code if you want my addons :)
06:52.40ZealO_o
06:52.45Hobinheimi'm probably going to stare at my burning crusade box
06:52.57Hobinheimwondering if i should roll only seven bloof elf alts instead of five
06:53.09TekkubBE's a so gay
06:53.12TekkubI hate them
06:53.28TekkubDraenei tho... the russian is the secksy
06:53.41Tekkubneeds more wodka and neuclear wessils
06:55.09Zealrofl
06:55.29Zealwell i'm going belf pala on release
06:55.50Zealand when march coems around i can bring my hunter across to my new server.
06:57.40Hobinheimumm
06:57.41Hobinheimhello?
06:57.47Hobinheimblood knights = fabulous?
06:58.07Hobinheimi'm going straight for the spikey hair cut
06:58.10Hobinheimthe rest look terrible
07:00.25Zealok.. what forms of currency do we have.. gold, silver, copper, honor, wsg mark, ab mark, av mark, eos mark. there is a world pvp one too iirc.. :s
07:00.51Hobinheimif you namespace them you won't have to worry
07:00.57Hobinheim1 2 and 3 should be gsc
07:01.02Hobinheimthe rest should be namespaced
07:01.02TekkubZeal, there's a bunch more in TBC
07:01.05Hobinheimthat's just my suggstion
07:01.16Tekkubbasically one per new faction, sometimes more
07:01.22Hobinheimwsg, av, ab, and whatever short hand names you can call the others
07:01.23Tekkubplus tier item tokens
07:01.28Hobinheimfuck...
07:01.50HobinheimLOL
07:01.54ZealHobinheim, that's exactly what i'm doing ;)
07:02.28Tekkubprobably every token turnin will use the new vendor system instead of the old quest system
07:02.28Hobinheimthe special 1h swing for blood elves looks TOTALLY GAY
07:02.29Tekkub*every new
07:02.29Tekkubdunno if they're conveting the old
07:02.29Hobinheimit's like a shoryuken with a piroette
07:03.10Zeali think you're suggesting someone else with namespaced. soemthing i think Tekkub's was trying to do, which i won't be doing.
07:03.51Tekkubreally what we need is backend changes for the item daa, I'm sorry
07:04.02Zeallol
07:04.09Tekkubthat test Wiki was doing quite nicely with item tips and such
07:04.23Zealwell Teomyr|off has had great success with his wiki testbed so far.
07:04.28Zealyeah :P
07:04.35Hobinheimugh crystal forge armor looks terrible
07:04.38Tekkubthat's why i've been heavily unmotivated, templaes just feel like hackjob solutions
07:04.49Tekkubsince I saw the test wiki
07:08.56Zealmark of thrallmar, that's the one.
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07:15.26Hobinheimwow blood elf flex looks really gay too
07:15.39Hobinheimi'm definitely using outfitter to make sure my gear color coordinates
07:17.18Hobinheimwhat's the model name for treant
07:20.52Hobinheimaww there are little polar bears
07:20.54Hobinheimthat's cute
07:27.22ZealO_o
07:29.21Hobinheimseriously though i need help finding the treant
07:29.25Hobinheimwhat else are treants calle
07:30.20Zealer..
07:34.37HobinheimEnts
07:34.40Hobinheimthey're called Ents
07:39.50Zealindeed
07:40.11Zealtolkien ftw
07:41.48Zealok.. now to track down the icons used for the new currencies
07:42.16Zealhalaa battle token, halaa reserach token, eye of the storm mark, mark of thrallmar
07:42.29Zealoh and i need to know what the area marks are called and look like : /
07:53.01Zealhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Cost WIP ofc.
08:21.48Zealdammit.. got it all except the arena poitns icon now
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08:35.35Apollozeuslol
08:35.36Apollozeuswhoever this silverside guy is
08:35.36Apollozeushe is full of bullshit
08:42.13Zealerm..
08:42.32Zeali onyl know of him, apparently hes as full of ideas as i am but vanished :s
08:46.22Zealfrom his edits today though.. he sounds like an idiot :s
09:00.30Zealok yeah reading his history hes either a dick or his account is comprimised. either way gets my vote to go under the band hammer, heh.
09:03.10Zealgod.. early wowwiki seems like it was just alot of hot air and egos flying around.. >_>
09:07.09Adysgonna empty my watchlist methink
09:10.03AdysYou have 5886 items on your watchlist, including talk pages.
09:10.03AdysAre you sure you wish to remove them?
09:10.10Adysyes plx
09:11.05Zealrofl
09:17.00Apollozeuslol
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09:17.43dok3Dalhi
09:18.05Zealhey
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10:23.42Zealwhat would you call Quest Item and unique? :S
10:23.46Zealand not type..
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11:11.33KirkburnBing bong
11:13.03Zealhey hoe
11:13.10Zeal:p
11:15.03Kirkburnargh
11:15.20KirkburnNotice anything wrong about this edit? http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AKirochi&diff=417101&oldid=408533
11:15.59Zealyeah i noticed that to
11:16.18Zealchat spam incoming..
11:16.18Zeal< Thu 11/01/2007 > < 08:35:47 am > <Apollozeus> whoever this silverside guy is
11:16.19Zeal< Thu 11/01/2007 > < 08:35:51 am > <Apollozeus> he is full of bullshit
11:16.19Zeal< Thu 11/01/2007 > < 08:42:50 am > <Zeal> erm..
11:16.19Zeal< Thu 11/01/2007 > < 08:43:10 am > <Zeal> i onyl know of him, apparently hes as full of ideas as i am but vanished :s
11:16.20Zeal< Thu 11/01/2007 > < 08:47:00 am > <Zeal> from his edits today though.. he sounds like an idiot :s
11:16.22Zeal< Thu 11/01/2007 > < 09:01:09 am > <Zeal> ok yeah reading his history hes either a dick or his account is comprimised. either way gets my vote to go under the band hammer, heh.
11:16.25Zeal< Thu 11/01/2007 > < 09:03:49 am > <Zeal> god.. early wowwiki seems like it was just alot of hot air and egos flying around.. >_>
11:16.53Apollozeushe claims the MediaWiki foundation is going to implement these "points of interest"
11:17.02Apollozeusa simple websearch reveals that claim to be false
11:17.33Zeali can understand the idea he has
11:17.38Apollozeusoh, and... I don't see a reason to ban him actually
11:17.41Zealbut the implementation is awful
11:17.47Apollozeushe's annoying to us
11:17.52Apollozeusbut.. banworthy?
11:18.10Zealthe swearing, the disregard of admin warnins, the random edits..
11:18.41Zealhe's not actually done a single thing worth of the ban, he's just the sort of person who's just waiting to get banned by not stepping over the line.
11:18.42KirkburnNah, that's SS
11:18.51Zeal*but not
11:19.00KirkburnA boy of big ideas, but little restraint
11:19.19KirkburnI think he's 17 now
11:19.29Zealwell for someone who apparently knows alot about wiki's, he's an idiot imo. but meh.
11:19.48Zealindeed, reminds me of cs script kiddies..
11:19.56KirkburnStuff like the community portal, the village pump, and that kind of stuff is stuff he made
11:20.06Apollozeusrofl
11:20.13Zeal*cough*they suck*cough* ;)
11:20.14Apollozeusyou can't credit that to them
11:20.18Apollozeushim*
11:20.24Apollozeushe copied that from wikipedia
11:20.33KirkburnYes, but no-one else had sorted it
11:20.39Zealhe can't even maintain his own wiki's heh.
11:20.44KirkburnThey only appeared at the end of 2005
11:21.23Apollozeuspersonally, I think wowwiki is too small for both the community portal and the village pump
11:21.28Zealwell i haven't looked. but did he implement it without any sort of talk about it or consensus before hand?
11:21.36ApollozeusIMO the village pump should just be the talk page of the community portal
11:21.39KirkburnThe portal perhaps, but not the village pump
11:22.03KirkburnThat's an interesting idea
11:22.33KirkburnZeal, erm
11:22.39KirkburnProbably
11:22.52Apollozeuszeal, end of 2005
11:22.53KirkburnBack in those days, the wiki was kinda different so far as I can tell
11:23.05Apollozeusthere weren't many people at wowwiki back then :p
11:23.24KirkburnHe did great work, but eventually went too far
11:23.41Zealyeah.. thats what i thought..
11:23.41KirkburnBurned out, pissed off too many people
11:23.53Zealback then.. i could have run wild on the wiki.. lol
11:24.25KirkburnHe's got a short, intense attention span - gets a new idea, runs with it for a few days, drops it, expects someone else to pick it up
11:24.48KirkburnLol, well there was no-one capable of banning back then :/
11:25.00Apollozeushaha
11:25.06Zealwell he insults you guys and the wiki enough as it is, heh.
11:25.06Apollozeusvandalism runs wild
11:25.07KirkburnSeriously, a spam bot went on for weeks
11:25.37Apollozeuswhat's this Mr. Cable stuff anyway
11:25.44KirkburnIt's his name
11:25.46KirkburnElliot Cable
11:25.48Zealhes been going back and editing his sigs :s
11:25.55KirkburnThe most famousest bot in the history of the wiki: http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Puta20
11:26.14Apollozeuslol
11:26.17Apollozeusputa is french for whore
11:26.21KirkburnI don't appreciate someone who goes back and removed comments from talk pages that have _nothing_ to do with him :/
11:26.58Zealtake that is the bot that used to handle most of the automated stuff for the portal?
11:27.49ApollozeusI don't appreciate people removing comments from talk pages entirely
11:27.56Zealwait.. wtf :s
11:28.07Zealthat bod is spamming useless shit? :S
11:28.10Zeal*bot
11:28.40KirkburnYes
11:28.49KirkburnIt was an unblocked spam bot
11:28.53Zealah
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11:29.10Apollozeushe just inserted some html o.O
11:29.16Apollozeuswhat's the purpose of that lol
11:29.54Zeal<div id="wiki6458" style="overflow:auto; height: 1px; "></div> does nothing afaik, unless #wiki6458 is used in the css :S
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11:30.40Apollozeuswell
11:30.42Apollozeuseven if it did
11:31.07Apollozeusthere's nothing within <div> and </div>
11:31.31Apollozeusso whatever 'wiki6458' does, it is irrelevant..since it doesn't apply to anything
11:33.22Zealyeah, it could be used in the javascript of the css may have some styling that would ruin the page.
11:33.27Zeal*or
11:35.46Apollozeuswell it obviously didn't
11:41.20Zealoh? :p
11:43.16Zealso very tired..
11:43.18Zealstupid items
11:47.36Kirkburnlol
11:47.47KirkburnPuta20 was a weird bot
11:48.24KirkburnI think SS's contribs must have been around 15,000+ in the end, but half his pages have since been deleted
11:48.40KirkburnScarily fond of subpages and templates :/
11:51.33Zeal: /
11:52.43Zealwell to me, it seems wiki's are just a toy to him, to play around with. he doesn;t really strive to improve them or make thme better for people. he just wants to make them cool. also he seems to siffer from alt wiki itis :P
11:52.59Zeal*suffer
11:56.50dottedcool wikis are awsome
11:58.26Zealrofl
11:58.57Zealhm.. i do wonder, after reading RotH, is ered'ruin are a sub-species of eredar.
11:59.01Zeal*if
11:59.32KirkburnHoi, don't give away the story
11:59.41Kirkburn=)
12:00.30Zeallol
12:00.36Zealit doesn't suggest it or anything
12:00.45KirkburnBut yes, more important than anything, a wiki must be useable and editable by the uninitiated - if you put everything in subpages and templates, it isn't. It might look cool, but it'll be completely useless :P
12:01.20KirkburnI wonder when I'll get my copy :)
12:03.11KirkburnHmm 16th-18th is the latest estimate :/
12:03.26Zealwell amazon told me march..
12:03.50Zealbut i got on.. the 4th or something :s
12:07.46KirkburnWhat did you order again?
12:10.28Zeallots of stuff, lol
12:10.44ZealWarcraft Archive, S&L, M&M, LoC, LoM, MM&M, WoWRPG, HPG, APG
12:14.01ZealKirkburn, could you put up to reommend {{tooltip}} be used where ever that recommendation belongs.. just don't wanna have to go through and do more than there already is :P
12:14.42Zealdoesn't help i'm shattered and trying to do a tedious and repetative task :p
12:43.56Zealok.. taking a break at target dummy.. lol
12:47.49Zealhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Karazhan where the hell is {{tooltipcss}} used on that?! :s
12:52.41Zealhm.. i need to add sockets to {{tooltip}} and "this item beings a quest" bit.
12:53.11KirkburnOr sleep. You could sleep.
12:54.25Zealthat i could
12:54.45dok3DalClose your eyes... sleep.
12:57.15Zealfyi i've taken it upon myself to remove the include idea from item pages (was hardly used, and is a poor idea. for now an item link is most appropriate until teomyr's tooltips can be implemented, and if it's really desired, {{tooltip}} is designed to be used for that purpose too) in the process of moving over to the tooltip template.
12:58.28Zeali really need to make a template template.. x_X;
12:58.50Zealso i don't have to go through the whole syntax, example, descrition, result stuff each time..
13:14.58KirkburnI would have suggested talking to Tekkub about that first
13:15.53Tekkubyes yes, was before the tooltip thing was even proposed
13:16.08Tekkubblame Mikk for encouraging me to help write a bot
13:17.53Zeali saw
13:18.39Zealmy point was either way, it's not soemthing that should be done, and never needs to be done. it only works for the rollover idea as it's cosmetic and hidden.
13:19.28Zeali'll probably add dropping on the non-default info from the tooltip when used outside the item's page.
13:19.36KirkburnBtw, Mikk is busy atm, hence his absence
13:19.57Zealit already scales down the tooltip when used outside it's item's page
13:19.58KirkburnHe also appears incapable of keeping normal hours :P
13:20.03Zealrofl
13:20.07Zealjust like me
13:20.16Kirkburn=)
13:20.32Zealok.. well i'm gunna make soem soup and watch tv thne get to bed.
13:23.42Zealnn all
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14:25.57Tuqui-tuqui..
14:26.19dok3Dal...
14:26.40TepetkhetAm I the only one not on my period?
14:27.41Tuqui-tuquiok...
14:35.18equiraptorheh
14:38.25jrrthanks for sharing.
14:46.08Tuqui-tuquiI made it to lvl31!!!! :D
14:46.20jrrwoot.
14:46.24Tuqui-tuquinote to self: do NOT attack same lvl elite mobs -.-
14:46.33Tuqui-tuquithey are the 1337 haxX0r
14:46.36equiraptorYou must not be playing a warlock.
14:46.47Tuqui-tuquino :<
14:46.49Tuqui-tuquimage
14:47.05equiraptorAh, yes. It would be a bit harder.
14:47.15equiraptorMy warlock and my hunter have both taken down same-level elites.
14:47.32equiraptorMy hunter has actually taken out elites above her level. But I've also seen warlocks do that.
14:47.53Tuqui-tuquinow Ive taken down same level elites too. Even once I took down an elite 2 lvls above me... but it takes too much potions (both healing and mana)
14:47.54jrrmages get resisted against higher level stuff too much to be effective
14:48.09Tuqui-tuquitrue jrr
14:48.17equiraptorHeh. See, this is without any potions. The only "consumables" would be, say, the warlock's healthstone.
14:48.18jrr(i have a 32 mage atm =])
14:48.25equiraptorAnd the warlock could *grind* on same level elites.
14:48.32Tuqui-tuquiI throw 350 hit fireballs and they get resisted against :<
14:48.54Tuqui-tuquinoob mobs -.-
14:49.02Tuqui-tuquianyhoo, last night I got to also pilot a robot :D
14:49.04Tuqui-tuquithat was cool
14:49.05dok3Dalcurrently hunters can kill red-level mobs around Karazan
14:49.28equiraptordok3Dal: I don't doubt that. One of my hunters took an orange elite. :)
14:49.33dok3Dalbut remember .. the game was perfectly balanced right?
14:49.33Tuqui-tuqui:o
14:49.37Tuqui-tuquiheh
14:49.41equiraptorMy druid, at level 36, took out a red (non-elite).
14:49.59equiraptorShe would have needed some rest between them, but that was without consumables.
14:50.11Tuqui-tuquiso what exactly is the right elite lvl for example a lvl30 mage
14:50.17Tuqui-tuquilvl25 elite?
14:50.19dok3DalWith my (nexx geared) warrior I put one to 80% before needed to flee!!!
14:50.21Tuqui-tuquilvl15?
14:50.24equiraptorI dunno. I send my mage after green elites, and she does OK.
14:50.36equiraptorShe's a frost mage with a lot of +frost gear.
14:50.46Tuqui-tuquioh
14:50.59Tuqui-tuquiI have divided my talents between frost and fire
14:51.04Tuqui-tuqui10 on each tree so far
14:51.29equiraptorThe added slow and frostbite (I think that's its name?) are the two most important for taking out the elites, I think.
14:52.01Tuqui-tuquiwhat does arcane do anyway
14:52.04Tuqui-tuquiI dont get that tree
14:53.28Tuqui-tuquiahh...
14:53.33Tuqui-tuquidelicious hot chocolate
14:54.02Tuqui-tuquianyhoo
14:54.06Tuqui-tuquiabout the arcane tree
14:54.28equiraptorI don't think I'd like the arcane tree too much for leveling.
14:56.36Tuqui-tuquiI did get the 100% chance of critical hit in frost
14:57.03Tuqui-tuquiwhat Ive noticed though
14:57.11Tuqui-tuquiis that I have problems taking out water elementals
14:57.24equiraptorWhat 100% chance of critical hit?
14:57.38equiraptorDo you mean the 100% increase in critical strike damage?
14:57.50Tuqui-tuquiwait... is that what its called?
14:57.51equiraptor(well, damage bonus)
14:57.57Tuqui-tuquiwhere can I find a tree
14:58.00equiraptorIce Shards?
14:58.05Tuqui-tuquinonono
14:58.06equiraptorhttp://www.wowhead.com/?talent
14:58.09Tuqui-tuquiits something else
14:58.22Tuqui-tuquiyes
14:58.24Tuqui-tuquiIce shards
14:58.44equiraptorThat's 100% increase to your critical damage bonus, not 100% crit increase.
14:58.49equiraptorThat would be extremely overpowered.
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14:58.55Tuqui-tuquioh man ¬.¬
14:58.56nemppuowerpowaaraad
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14:59.52equiraptorl2read. :-P
15:03.49m0nZt3r5 days... 5 days...
15:03.52m0nZt3r;s
15:04.11dok3Dal5 Days to kill Gothik - 4hm- Saphiron and KT
15:04.18equiraptor09:04 <Thor> There are: 4 days 8 hrs 56 mins 1 sec left till 12:00:00AM - Tuesday, January 16, 2007 GMT (World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade Release)
15:04.22equiraptor^^ A friend's bot
15:04.30dok3Dalgogogogo
15:04.43m0nZt3rsometimes I wonder if I could turn back time
15:04.53m0nZt3rbut in situations like this I wonder if I could speed it up
15:04.53m0nZt3r>_<
15:05.26equiraptordate 200601160000
15:05.26equiraptor:)
15:05.26TepetkhetI want more time.
15:05.31TepetkhetBecause we still need to kill Onyxia.
15:05.36TepetkhetGet everybody keyed.
15:05.45m0nZt3romg
15:05.55m0nZt3rare there any guilds on the world that havent killed onyxia yet?
15:05.57m0nZt3rno wai
15:06.06Tepetkhet<PROTECTED>
15:06.21equiraptorMy guild hasn't! Actually two out of the three guilds my characters are in haven't.
15:06.22m0nZt3rError : you are not in game.
15:06.29dok3Dalon my server there is still guild recruiting for ... mc
15:06.50equiraptorBut one of those is a leveling guild that feeds into the one that has killed ony.
15:06.56equiraptorAnd the other is... A different guild. :)
15:07.11equiraptorLots of our members have killed Ony in partnerships with other guilds.
15:07.16m0nZt3ron my realm peope are going to onyxia lair just like to ubrs or strat or scholo
15:07.20m0nZt3rPuGs
15:07.28equiraptorOh, yeah.
15:07.38m0nZt3rmost of them fail but still
15:07.41equiraptorOn the realm where I'm in two guilds, ony PUGs are a regular event.
15:07.54equiraptorMC PUGs happen every so often, too.
15:08.09dok3Dalwe dont do Ony anymore
15:08.48dok3Dalnot even for gold
15:08.51equiraptorTwo levels to my frost elementals...
15:08.53TepetkhetOn my realm, there's only one or two guilds in Naxx.
15:08.56m0nZt3rtoo bad that i havent been to naxxramas further than grand widow faerlina yet
15:08.57m0nZt3r:(
15:09.06Tepetkhet1 or 2 still doing BWL.
15:09.31TepetkhetQuite a few in AQ20, ZG, and using alliances to do MC.
15:09.32dok3Dalwe do bwl only for selling items to get gold
15:09.36TepetkhetNo PuG ony runs.
15:09.39dok3Daland
15:09.51dok3Daltrying to loot my Fu**** drake fang talisman!
15:10.06TepetkhetAnd to make a comment like m0nZt3r did is just either incredibly elitist or ignorant...or both.
15:10.21equiraptorOr a joke. :-P
15:10.38Tuqui-tuquiIm going to solo against Onyxia
15:10.45Tuqui-tuquiTuqui-tuqui - 1
15:10.50Tuqui-tuquiOnyxia - 0
15:11.01equiraptorOn that mage, right? ;P
15:11.07Tuqui-tuquiit could happen >:{
15:11.23Tuqui-tuquiremember, everything is possible if you believe
15:12.07equiraptors/believe/delude yourself/
15:12.45TepetkhetI believe I am possibly in a very pissy mood.
15:13.33equiraptorI was going to be in a very, very pissy mood, but then both my mechanic and my boyfriend did a very good job taking care of me (and my car).
15:13.51equiraptorSo now, while I'm scared for the car, I have transportation. :)
15:13.57Tuqui-tuquiwho took care of what :D
15:14.11equiraptorWhen I tried to start my car this morning, there was smoke in the passenger compartment.
15:15.05equiraptorI called the mechanic, freaking out (I'd think understandably). He gave me the number for the towing company he works with, and told me if I needed, he could come get me and let me borrow a car.
15:15.17Tuqui-tuquiAMG!
15:15.19equiraptorBut then I went inside and told my boyfriend, and he said I should just take his car (he works from home)
15:15.23Tekkubjust crack a window you pansy
15:15.25Tuqui-tuquiso the mechaanic took care of you
15:15.32Tuqui-tuquiand your b/f took cre of the car
15:15.38Tuqui-tuquiI cant spell!
15:16.04equiraptorSo now I'm assuming the tow truck found the house (since they took my number and haven't called me for more directions). And I can get to and from work today.
15:16.18equiraptorSo the only thing left is... "Is my car dead / really expensive to fix?"
15:20.16Tuqui-tuquithat must be a bug checkbook
15:20.19Tuqui-tuquidamn it!
15:20.21Tuqui-tuquiNIG*
15:20.23Tuqui-tuquiAMG!
15:20.26Tuqui-tuquiBIG!
15:21.18equiraptorHehe
15:21.34equiraptorIt is big right now, but I have some big bills to pay, too.
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15:39.13Apollozeusanyone seen the new tabard pre-tbc tabard? :p
15:44.13Apollozeushmm, that didn't come out quite right
15:44.29Tuqui-tuqui-.-
15:47.08Apollozeus?
15:48.18TepetkhetYou mean the Hero one?
15:49.25TepetkhetThe one you get for going to the dark portal and killing some felguards?
15:49.58equiraptorI have that protector tabard on all three of my 60s now.
15:50.03equiraptorIs was much less crowded there last night.
15:50.40Apollozeusyeah, that one
15:50.43Apollozeusit's awesome ;p
15:50.55equiraptorheh :)
15:51.26Apollozeusfirst tabard with some special effect to it
15:51.44Apollozeusalthough the effect is quite useless ;p
15:51.48equiraptorYeah.
15:52.00equiraptorbut still... An effect! Weee! yay! And easy to get!
15:52.29TepetkhetVery easy.
15:52.31Apollozeusand limited
15:52.40Apollozeusmakes you feel special after the 16th ;)
15:52.56TepetkhetDo you have to be level 60 to get it?
15:52.57equiraptorFrustrated my friends who worked for the AD tabard, though.
15:53.12Apollozeusworking for tabards? lmao
15:54.32ApollozeusTepetkhet, I assume
15:54.52Apollozeusbut you won't be able to beat the felguards way under level 60 anyway
15:55.05Patrigan-SyldraWell, if you get yourself a ^party? oO
15:55.07Patrigan-Syldrathough
15:55.08Patrigan-Syldratbh
15:55.12equiraptorMy 54 pally probably could.
15:55.17equiraptorThey're level 60 demons.
15:55.22Apollozeusequiraptor, try and see :p
15:55.22Patrigan-SyldraI suspect that you'll be able to get it afterwards too
15:55.24equiraptorPallies are good at killing demons.
15:55.26Patrigan-Syldraduring the invasion
15:55.31equiraptorAnd good at killing things leveled above them.
15:55.48equiraptorAnd those demons don't seem to have any special abilities.
15:56.12ApollozeusPatrigan-Syldra, tabards are to show off that the wearer has done some kind of major achievement
15:56.17Apollozeusand that quest is not really hard
15:56.34Apollozeusso I don't think it will available ad infinitum
15:56.46equiraptorYeah, it's a limited time.
15:56.53equiraptorWhen the Dark Potal is open, that quest will be gone.
15:56.58equiraptorMay go way before then, even.
15:57.13Patrigan-Syldrawell
15:57.16Patrigan-Syldrathe days after the opening
15:57.22Patrigan-Syldrathere will be even more invasion
15:57.25Patrigan-Syldrafrom Kruul
15:57.29Patrigan-Syldraat all major cities
15:57.30Apollozeuswell alright, maybe a few days after the opening
15:57.37TepetkhetWe killed ourselves a couple Alliance there, too.
15:57.48TepetkhetWe were the <and two stealthed rogues>
15:57.49equiraptorYa know, putting your thought all on one line would make it a bit easier to read. ;)
15:58.12TepetkhetHad a group of us there.
15:58.21Apollozeushonor farming at the dark portal :D
15:58.33TepetkhetAn orc hunter, a Tauren druid, 2 rogues, and a priest.
15:58.42TepetkhetThe hunter saw a flagged pally.
15:58.45TepetkhetNailed him.
15:58.51TepetkhetAnd then hid INSIDE the Tauren.
15:58.57TepetkhetRan right up into the kodo's butt.
15:58.58Tepetkhetheh
15:59.02Apollozeusrofl
15:59.05Apollozeuswas it a gnome?
15:59.08TepetkhetUs rogues stealthed nearby.
15:59.18Tepetkhet[10:58] Tepetkhet: An orc hunter, a Tauren druid, 2 rogues, and a priest.
15:59.24Apollozeuserr...nvm
15:59.26Tepetkhetheh
15:59.34TepetkhetReading comprehension ftl...
15:59.35Apollozeusdwarf then?
15:59.53TepetkhetThe pally was human.
16:00.07TepetkhetBut it was the HUNTER in our party who hid inside the kodo.
16:00.13Apollozeusah
16:00.18Apollozeusnice strategy btw XD
16:00.24ApollozeusI should try that once
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16:00.49TepetkhetFemale orc hunter.
16:00.55TepetkhetSo his "footprint" is smaller.
16:01.00equiraptorThose female orcs are sexy.
16:01.08TepetkhetHe was able to hide just right inside the Tauren.
16:01.12ApollozeusI should try that with a whole bunch of gnomes
16:01.16TepetkhetThe kodo made it even better.
16:01.25Tepetkhetoh
16:01.40TepetkhetWe were killing dragons (drakes?) for the Onyxia key quest chain last night.
16:02.03TepetkhetAnd we kited Chronalis (I think that's his name) from the Caverns of Time up to Gadgetzan.
16:02.05TepetkhetThat was fun.
16:03.35Apollozeushaha
16:03.42Tuqui-tuquiI once killed a rabbit :D
16:03.54Apollozeusdid the goblins kill him there, tep?
16:03.54Tuqui-tuquiit was a sad day for rabbit kind :<
16:04.25ApollozeusWOW tough soldier you are Tuqui-tuqui
16:04.38TepetkhetThe goblins took the dragon down pretty fast.
16:04.44TepetkhetBut the hunter got the last shot in.
16:04.45Tepetkhetheh
16:04.58TepetkhetIt was pretty funny.
16:04.59Apollozeushmm interesting...so neutral factions attack those things as well D:
16:05.45TepetkhetKinda like the guard around Tarren Mill attacking the spiders and bears that get too close.
16:06.14Apollozeusstormwind guards killing hogger ;)
16:06.48equiraptorAh, hogger.
16:07.03Apollozeusdamn blizzard for their new realms
16:07.11Apollozeusthey should name one after Hogger already :(
16:07.17equiraptorheh
16:07.22equiraptorYes, they should. ;)
16:07.27jrrgroffle
16:07.28jrri'd roll on it
16:07.43Apollozeusso would I
16:08.02ApollozeusI can only imagine the high frequency at which hogger would be killed on that realm
16:08.13equiraptorheh
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16:53.01BagginswwHmm so orc warlocks have the ability to age orcs before their time so they can be strong enough to fight...
16:53.11BagginswwGarona anyone?
16:53.52Apollozeuso.O where did get that from?
16:53.57Bagginswwrise of the horde
16:54.22BagginswwI'm just saying what if it was used on Garona?
16:54.35Bagginswwshe could still have been born to humans
16:54.40Bagginswworc/humans
16:54.46ApollozeusI dunno D:
16:55.12Bagginswwinfact it becomes a manditory practice
16:55.16Bagginswwfor the Horde
16:55.25Bagginswwto age all newborns to at least 12 years old
16:55.30Bagginswwwhen they are strong enought to fight
16:56.04Tuqui-tuqui0.o
16:56.09Bagginswwthey institute by law that all orcs are to procreate whenever possible
16:56.15Bagginswwto add to their ranks
16:56.19Tuqui-tuquiwhat about the children I see in Crossroads :|
16:56.26Bagginswwborn after
16:56.35Bagginswwthose are naturally born
16:56.44Bagginswwwe are talking about old HOrde
16:56.49Tuqui-tuquiahhhh....
16:56.50Tuqui-tuquikk
16:57.14BagginswwOld Horde is coming across as very tolitarian to me...
16:57.24Tuqui-tuquitotalitarian?
16:57.35Bagginswwsome nazi type practices
16:57.53Bagginswwlike the whole procreating to create more troops
16:58.12Bagginswwbaby farms
16:58.18Tuqui-tuquiI be willing to participate if the US made it mandatory :D
16:58.23Bagginswwlol
16:59.45BagginswwThe funny thing is I seem to recall speculating on concept of speed aging, and people laughed me off
17:02.53Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Garona_Halforcen#Warlock_aging
17:04.23Bagginswwthe creepy thing is this means that every time you "train" a new orc you are probably using this spell LOL
17:04.30Bagginswwback in warcraft 1 & 2
17:04.39TepetkhetWe do not need more babies.
17:04.47TepetkhetPlanet's overpopulated as it is.
17:04.54TepetkhetBut I'd be happy to go through the motions.
17:05.15Bagginswwlol
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17:20.34Hobinheimevery time you make an alt, god kills a critter
17:21.01Tepetkhethah
17:21.44equiraptorI've caused lots of critter deaths, then. :)
17:21.51Bagginswwbbut there is no god only the Light
17:22.01Bagginswwj/k
17:22.23Bagginswwonly said that cause you said the common warcraft term for small furry animals
17:22.28Bagginswwcritter
17:22.49equiraptorWell, there's a goddess.
17:23.20Bagginswwand there may be other gods as well
17:23.29Bagginswwnot just demigods
17:24.16Bagginswwand the Old Gods?
17:24.35Bagginswwlots of gods LOL
17:24.50Hobinheimelune
17:25.08Hobinheimevery time you masturbate, cenarius roots a kitten
17:25.46Apollozeus<Bagginsww> bbut there is no god only the Light
17:25.49ApollozeusBLASPHEMY
17:26.06ApollozeusEarth Mother ftw <_<
17:26.06Hobinheimlore question
17:26.14Hobinheimare treants a generic form of something else
17:26.16Bagginswwheh heh
17:26.19Hobinheimthe model viewer calls them ents
17:26.31Apollozeusents lol
17:26.34Apollozeuswow ripoff
17:26.36Apollozeuserr
17:26.36Bagginswwthey were ents or treents back in warcraft 3
17:26.38Apollozeuslotr ripoff
17:26.44Bagginswwents predate LOTR though
17:26.47Hobinheimwhat are they called in lotr
17:26.49Hobinheimoh
17:26.52Hobinheiments?
17:26.55Apollozeusyeah
17:26.57Bagginswwya
17:27.10Bagginswwjust one of many things Tolkien dervived from older mythology
17:27.24Bagginswwusually scandnavia/norse, etc
17:27.35Bagginswwsome britain legends as well
17:28.31Bagginswwalthough the traditional ents were more giants apparently
17:28.40Bagginswwrather than being giant trees
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17:28.58Hobinheimdid you know the model viewer also calls that boss "KATHUN"
17:29.01Hobinheimerr KATHUNE
17:29.08Hobinheimso that should signal how to pronounce it, without a doubt
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17:29.34Apollozeuspronounce what?
17:29.37Bagginswwwhich would kind of point to the Cthulu etymology I tink
17:29.44Hobinheimc'thune?
17:29.54Hobinheimsome people say sea thoone apparently
17:29.58Apollozeusc'thun <--
17:30.09BagginswwCthulu, Ka thulu
17:30.34BagginswwI've always pronoucned Kathoon
17:30.49Apollozeussee-thoon for me
17:31.18Apollozeusc'thun must be glad tbc comes out pretty soon
17:31.24BagginswwLOL
17:31.29Apollozeushe'll probably be a killed a lot less frequently
17:31.30Bagginswwpeople will go back to get their staff
17:31.39Bagginswwat level 70
17:31.41BagginswwLOL
17:31.53ApollozeusI suspect we'll get a lot of AQ40 PUGs
17:31.55Bagginswwalways possibilities of later patches adding in heroic modes
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17:32.10Bagginswwfor new loot tables
17:32.19Apollozeusthere's already a big load of endgame content in tbc
17:32.37Apollozeusimagine if we added the current endgame content
17:32.43Apollozeusa LOT of instances
17:32.46Bagginswwheh heh
17:32.50Bagginswwbut 40 man instances, ;)
17:32.57Bagginswwcheap way out of making "new" ones
17:33.02Apollozeusyes
17:33.16Apollozeusespecially when they have yet to open the black temple and zul'aman
17:33.42Hobinheimi'm so burnt out from work last night...
17:33.42Bagginswwand there are certain things that drop that are still intended to be part of TBC end game content
17:33.42Hobinheimall i want to do today is read forums
17:33.42Bagginswwlike the ashbringer quest line
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17:33.42Hobinheimand find updates for my broken mods =(
17:33.53Bagginswwand staff ability
17:34.14Bagginswwplus Argent Dawn token upgrade seems to point towards TBC use
17:34.26Bagginswwas it adds on +damage to demons
17:34.32Apollozeusthat doesn't say anything about the instances though
17:34.58Bagginswwfrom what I hear though naxx accidently went heroic mode
17:35.02Bagginswwdon't know if they fixed it
17:35.12Adyslol
17:35.13Bagginswwbut it was near impossible to kill patchwork at level 70
17:35.32Bagginswwall the abilities had been upped
17:35.40Apollozeusnaxx in heroic mode would be a possibility
17:35.52Apollozeusbut not too many other instances
17:36.00Bagginswwno real reason to do with with AQ40 though
17:36.11Apollozeusdon't think MC or BWL are ever going heroic
17:36.22Bagginswwno point
17:36.39ApollozeusI'd like the deadmines in heroic mode though
17:36.39Apollozeus;p
17:36.42BagginswwLOL
17:36.47Bagginswwlevel 70 heroic mode
17:36.49BagginswwLOL
17:37.03Bagginswwquestlines called "Return to the Dead Mines"
17:37.10Adystbh i agree
17:37.20Adysid love to see some low lvl instances at 70 heroic mode
17:37.23Bagginswwmaybe open up the areas of the deadmines where Lothar was once held
17:37.26Hobinheimdoes feeding a hunter's pet really offset soulshards?
17:37.26Bagginswwthe old ruins
17:37.41Bagginswwadd some nasty slimes
17:38.45BagginswwI suggested an idea to Blizzard for a Gnomeregan city mode
17:38.58Bagginswwfor people who complete the Gnomeregan quests
17:39.13Bagginswwor at least kill final boss
17:39.23Bagginswwthrough a switch you could turn it into a gnome city
17:39.38Bagginswwunswitch it for instance mode
17:40.00Bagginswwso that the gnome's story can actually have progression
17:40.15jrri've thought a bit about that
17:40.21Bagginswwbe kind of cool to go there and get some quests that lead you to outland and beyond
17:40.39Bagginswwhorde could have a way to accessing city mode as well to raid it
17:40.42jrrhttp://www.wowwiki.com/User:Jrr#Story_Progression
17:41.55Bagginswwstuff like that should be accessed through cavern's of time heh heh
17:42.48Bagginswwmaybe make a eastern kingdom's version fo cavern's of time as well
17:43.01jrrcaverns
17:43.08Bagginsww*caverns yes
17:43.40Bagginswwanyone ever wonder what hte portal in inner sanctum is for
17:43.56BagginswwI mean besides the one that takes you to the outside of hte tower
17:44.28jrrin the mage tower?
17:44.53jrrmy highest mage is 32; i'd figured some quest would take you through the portal at a higher level
17:45.01Hobinheimis it true that stratholme has undead housing?
17:45.16jrr?
17:45.24Hobinheimis it also true that stormwind already has playering housing somewhere in it?
17:45.37Bagginswwuh there is a instance gate
17:45.41Bagginswwat the back of the city
17:45.43Bagginswwby the sewers
17:45.49Bagginswwthat's been speculated to lead to player housing
17:45.52Bagginswwbut its not in game
17:45.58Bagginswwas for stratholme?
17:46.00Bagginswwhuh
17:47.12Bagginswwoh ya also interesting thing in Roth it establishes two more Orc clans LOL
17:47.25Bagginsww*orc
17:47.46Bagginswwbladewind, and redwalkers
17:48.30Bagginswwas if the main clans we hear about all the time wasn't enough heh heh ;)
17:49.07Hobinheimdo you remember the orc rogue unique item quest at level 1
17:49.15Hobinheimit says something about working for the shattered hand. what is it
17:49.20Hobinheim**what is that about
17:49.26Bagginswwhaven't played an orc rogue
17:49.34Hobinheimlike who's the shattered hand?
17:49.45Hobinheimare all orc rogues pretending to work for someone?
17:49.47Bagginswwone of the main 12 clans
17:49.55Hobinheimare they not under thrall?
17:50.02Bagginswwuh some probably are
17:50.10BagginswwThrall's horde is a mixmatch of many clans
17:50.33Bagginswwexcept of course Twilight's Hammer LOL
17:50.46Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Shattered_Hand
17:51.00Bagginswwthey probably don't have Burning Blade either
17:51.14Bagginswwwell not officially, some have infiltrated
17:51.56Hobinheimi dunno my reading comprehension is really bad...
17:52.03Hobinheimat some point in time, i want to sit down and read every quest
17:52.07Hobinheimlike fuck the grind
17:52.09Hobinheimi wanna know more about wow
17:52.13Hobinheimi keep getting rushed n shit
17:52.15Hobinheimknow what i mean
17:52.20Bagginswwyes :p
17:52.22BagginswwI hate leveling
17:52.23Hobinheimlike some things are just fascinating
17:52.31Hobinheimtauren REALLY love their fucking peace pipe/juice
17:52.34Hobinheimspirit vision my ass
17:52.39BagginswwI sit down and read the quests
17:52.43Hobinheimthe books too
17:52.46Bagginswwif I don't have the time while leveling I screenshot them
17:52.48Hobinheimchock full of knowledge
17:53.00Hobinheimi've been meaning to settle down with one of those book saver mods
17:53.07jrrmy favorite quest might be the forsaken's pumpkin theft
17:53.14jrr"steal their pumpkins! that'll show them!"
17:53.17BagginswwLOL
17:53.22Bagginswwdon't they poison them?
17:53.32nemppuyeah
17:53.41nemppuand then feed to captured human
17:53.44nemppuwhich turns into a ghoul
17:53.47Bagginswwpoisoned pumpkins, such a nice trick
17:53.48jrrlater in the chain, they poison a pumkin and feed it to a captured dude in the inn basement
17:54.03Bagginswwthey are so evil :p
17:55.22Bagginswwbut of course that was mainly an apothecary quest right?
17:56.15Hobinheimkill the doggie
17:56.22BagginswwLOL
17:56.36BagginswwThey need some more dog variety in the game
17:56.51Bagginswwinstead of thw wolfs colored like collies LOL
17:57.15ApollozeusI agree
17:57.17Bagginswwadd some poodles
17:57.19ApollozeusD:
17:57.20BagginswwLOL
17:57.21ApollozeusXD
17:57.33Bagginswwcooshie for the blood elf lands
17:57.51Apollozeusthere are cat critters in eversong, right?
17:58.00Bagginswwuh average stuff
17:58.06Bagginswwmutant deer in ghostlands
17:58.11Bagginswwcats
17:58.21Bagginswwthey ahve alot of cats
17:58.25Bagginswwblack cats LOL
17:58.37Bagginswwand non interactive animated brooms
17:58.37Apollozeusdo they also sell cats?
17:58.44Bagginswwuh don't think so
17:58.50Apollozeus):
17:58.52Bagginswwnot sure what there starting pet is though
17:59.01Apollozeussome baby hawkstrider?
17:59.04Bagginswwmaybe manaworms?
17:59.13Apollozeuswould be a possibility
17:59.21Apollozeushmm.. lemme see if I can find it
17:59.26Tuqui-tuquihmm...
17:59.28Bagginswwmanaworms look like chinese dragons
17:59.32Tuqui-tuquihow do you tank a dragon
17:59.39Apollozeusyou don't
17:59.43Apollozeus50 DKP MINUS
17:59.46Bagginswwas a mage I don't LOL
17:59.51Tuqui-tuquiXD
18:00.05BagginswwI can single keel some dragons
18:00.08Bagginsww*kill
18:00.23Bagginswwdamn I hate when my hands type something other than what my mind is thinking :p
18:00.30Bagginswwstupid phonetics :p
18:00.43BagginswwPhoniks worx fer mee
18:00.45Hobinheimare you not american?
18:00.50Hobinheimdo you i have to put you in the adys box?
18:00.53Tuqui-tuquiso what do you do in front of a dragon then
18:01.10Apollozeushttp://www.thottbot.com/beta?s=worm <-- no worm pets in TBC
18:01.14BagginswwAmerican yes :p... Just minor learning disabilities :p
18:01.16Tuqui-tuquiand I dont mean a regular dragon :D
18:01.17Adyshob every time you mention my name in here I hear a loud "ding ding ding" from miranda :|
18:01.19Hobinheimlet the record show i don't really like the word clan
18:01.27Hobinheimshattered hand should just be... shattered hand...
18:01.28Hobinheim=(
18:01.31Bagginswwmind works faster than my hands
18:01.34Hobinheimi feel like moving all those articles back
18:01.39Apollozeusyou know you like the ding Adys
18:01.48Hobinheimsorry mate
18:01.48Bagginswwand hands don't always work with my mind
18:01.53Hobinheimno more a d y s
18:02.13Hobinheimi was starting to get suspicious as to why you would always respond when i zing you
18:02.26Bagginswwzing?
18:02.41Hobinheimzing.
18:02.41Adyslol
18:02.52Adysthats how awesome miranda is aint it ^
18:02.59Hobinheimi'm just warning you guys, one day i'm gonna peruse through the clan articles and revert all of them
18:02.59Adysno srsly i love it
18:03.38ApollozeusBagginsww
18:03.40Apollozeusfound'd out
18:03.41Apollozeushttp://www.blizzardguides.com/wow_vanity_pets.html
18:03.56Bagginswwwhich section?
18:03.59ApollozeusGolden Dragonhawk Hatchling - vendor; BoU
18:03.59ApollozeusDescription: Orangish-gold dragonhawk
18:03.59ApollozeusAffiliation: horde (Blood Elf)
18:03.59ApollozeusRarity: common
18:03.59ApollozeusSold by: Jilanne for 50s - Fairbreeze Village, Eversong Woods
18:04.19Bagginswwinteresting
18:04.19Apollozeusalso in red and silver
18:04.20Apollozeus<_<
18:04.31Bagginswwits moths for draenei?
18:04.42Apollozeusyeah ;x
18:04.49BagginswwLOL
18:04.58Apollozeusguess I'm just gonna stick with the cats and praerie dogs
18:04.59BagginswwI think I ran into that vendor
18:05.23BagginswwI still say blood elves have Chocobos, Kweh!
18:05.44Bagginswwthey look almost exactly like the chocobos in the last couple of Final Fantasies
18:05.45Apollozeusoh and
18:05.52Apollozeusthe mana thingies you mentioned
18:06.09Apollozeusthey're also purchasable
18:06.13Bagginswwinteresting
18:06.19Bagginswwso they have two pet choices
18:06.24ApollozeusSold by: Dealer Rashaad for 40g - The Stormspire
18:06.31Apollozeusno, not exclusive blood elf stuff
18:06.31Bagginswwoh
18:06.34Bagginswwnice
18:06.39Apollozeuspretty damn expensive though
18:06.42Bagginswwya
18:06.45Apollozeus40g for some gimmick :/
18:06.52Bagginswweverything is expensive in outland LOL
18:07.05ApollozeusI heard it's pretty easy to come across gold
18:07.15BagginswwI still haven't heard what the drop rate is there
18:07.32Bagginswwthey'll have to institute a platinum level
18:07.34Bagginswwlol
18:07.58Bagginswwhas anyone figured out why gold bars are worth less than gold?
18:07.59Apollozeuskinda weird though
18:08.01Apollozeusplatinum gold
18:08.03Bagginswwlol
18:08.14Bagginswwplatinum is worth more than gold
18:08.17Apollozeuserr
18:08.22Apollozeusplatinum coins*/
18:08.25Bagginswwyes
18:08.35Bagginswwthe LoC discusses the possibility
18:08.59Bagginswwonly thing is currently platinum is mostly just used for ornamentation
18:09.33Bagginswwperhaps too rare to turn into a coinage system.
18:09.38Apollozeusthey could introduce some kind of 'magic door'
18:09.42jrra new currency denomination would be great, but would it be 1 plat = 100G for (for uniformity with gold to silver and silver to copper) or 1 plat = 1000G
18:09.43Apollozeusmana coins
18:10.02Bagginswwwho knows
18:10.12Apollozeusenchanted coins
18:10.14Apollozeusrainbow coins
18:10.16Bagginswwlol
18:10.20Bagginswwhappy coins?
18:10.26Apollozeusgay coins? >_>
18:10.28Apollozeuscolored pink
18:10.39Bagginswwonly for the blood elves
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18:10.56Apollozeusand gnomes
18:11.02ApollozeusI mean... a race with pink 'taches
18:11.03Bagginswwnah only blood elves, have you heard their sayings?
18:11.04Apollozeus:/
18:11.12Apollozeusof course I have
18:11.37Apollozeus"don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me"
18:11.40BagginswwLOL
18:11.43Apollozeussaid by a MALE blood elf
18:11.45Apollozeus/joke
18:11.48Bagginswwyes
18:12.00Teomyrwtf?
18:12.06Apollozeusthe draenei female used to say "do gnomes come with vibrating features"
18:12.10Apollozeusbut that was patched out :(
18:12.15BagginswwLOL
18:12.40Bagginswwwe need to add sound uploading feature to wowwiki
18:12.51Bagginswwupload some of these lost jokes LOL
18:12.57Apollozeuslost jokes?
18:13.02Bagginswwas in patched out jokes
18:13.07Apollozeusthey were all over the internet when they leaked
18:13.09Teomyruhh, be careful
18:13.11Bagginswwsigh like the lost troll joke :p
18:13.17Apollozeusright before alpha went live
18:13.37Teomyrremember the hot coffee mod for gta:sa and what trouble it caused? :P
18:13.45BagginswwLOL
18:13.45ApollozeusTeomyr
18:13.54Apollozeusthe coffee mod wasn't made by rockstar
18:14.00Apollozeusthese jokes WERE made by blizzard
18:14.11Bagginswwcoffee mod just unlocked something that was in game
18:14.20Bagginswwand exspanded on it
18:14.24Bagginsww*expanded
18:14.35Bagginswwbut sound files aren't mods
18:14.40Apollozeusoh and, sounds are less provocative than imaginery
18:15.12Bagginswwsomeone needs to get the sound file from TFT that explains that Illidan wasn't killed
18:15.35BagginswwIt was for a deleted scene
18:15.39Morybelf female joke: Do gnomes have a vibrator? Just wondering..
18:15.50Bagginswwlol
18:15.56Apollozeushmm..
18:16.03Bagginswwthat one is worse
18:16.06BagginswwLOL
18:16.31Apollozeusthat's the exact quote
18:16.51Mory^^
18:16.54BagginswwWhen we arrived here I lost many jewels that had been in my family for generations. If you could get your hands on my family jewels I would be deeply appreciative."
18:17.02Apollozeushttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7356708322203507049
18:17.04Apollozeusthere
18:17.39Apollozeusso many bad cow puns as well
18:17.40Bagginsww"Normally I only ride on epic mounts but...let's talk."
18:17.40Apollozeus:p
18:17.42Moryzomg...dirty...
18:18.17Apollozeusyou don't have a lower jaw
18:18.27Apollozeusand you gonna give ME a facial?
18:18.30Bagginswwlol
18:18.40Moryand the wisdom..ghhh just give me some magic!
18:19.05Apollozeuswe're allied with the tauren? we'kk be having steak twice a week
18:19.08Apollozeuswe'll*
18:19.12BagginswwLOL
18:19.13equiraptorMmmmm, steak.
18:19.41ApollozeusO_O
18:19.53Apollozeusthe draenei are even worse than the blood elves
18:19.59equiraptorOh?
18:20.05Apollozeus"are you thinking what I am thinking?"
18:20.11TepetkhetDraenei females are dirty.
18:20.15TepetkhetDirty dirty dirty.
18:20.19BagginswwLOL
18:20.19Bagginswwgnomes
18:20.26equiraptorWell, that decides it. I guess i'm rolling a male.
18:20.34TepetkhetTheir flirts and sillies are quite...
18:20.39TepetkhetO_O
18:20.39Bagginswwtheir jokes make little sense though
18:20.43TepetkhetOh?
18:20.50BagginswwI mean as far as gnome connection
18:21.02Bagginswwthey are allies with the gnomes LOL
18:21.08Apollozeuswtf
18:21.16Bagginswwand they want to eat them and beat them?
18:21.20Apollozeus"for mating rituals we will need four...no...five sheep..
18:21.21equiraptorIs there a list of their flirts and sillys?
18:21.26equiraptorI can't view video at work.
18:21.28Bagginswwjoke
18:21.33Bagginswwin wowwiki
18:21.51Apollozeus"for mating rituals we will need four...no...five sheep..a gnome and staff of domination"
18:22.05Bagginswwand topic Flirt
18:22.15Apollozeusjesus these guys are sex freaks
18:22.19Apollozeusdraenei women are such hoes
18:22.20Apollozeus;p
18:22.43Tepetkhetyeah
18:22.49Bagginsww"I want you to *lick and splat* my *gurgling noises* *slurping noises*"
18:22.51TepetkhetThey got some junk in their trunk, too.
18:22.52equiraptorThanks, Bagginsww. :)
18:23.03TepetkhetShake it, girlfriend.
18:23.08Bagginswwdraenei have a nice dance though
18:23.12TepetkhetThe men
18:23.15TepetkhetThe tunak tunak dance
18:23.16Tepetkhetheh
18:23.20Bagginswwmale draenei are the only dance that has sounds
18:23.22TepetkhetCRACKS me up.
18:23.23Apollozeus"do gnomes have vibrate settings? I'm just curious.."
18:23.30Tepetkhetheh
18:23.33Apollozeuswhat sound, bag?
18:23.41Bagginsww"You have heard of the Exodar? I will show you the Sexodar!"
18:23.47Tuqui-tuqui-.-
18:23.47TepetkhetYes
18:23.48Tepetkhethah
18:23.57TepetkhetBlood Elves are just so...vain.  :(
18:23.58BagginswwI think some of these won't make it to release
18:24.20Bagginswwstupid censors
18:24.31Bagginswwrating systems are stupid LOL
18:24.39MoryOne time I laughed so hard I milked all over the floor.
18:24.45Mory^^
18:24.48Bagginswwya it say smost were removed
18:24.58Tuqui-tuqui¬.¬
18:25.02Teomyrnow in stores: wow tbc, uncensored hardcore edition
18:25.09equiraptorYes, I think my draenei will be a male.
18:25.09Apollozeusrofl
18:25.19Bagginswwprobably couldn't make it past the ESRB
18:25.23equiraptorI'm not interested in playing a draenei slut.
18:25.27ApollozeusWorld of Warcraft: The Burning XXX
18:25.31Teomyrlol
18:25.38Bagginswwthey have only 2 flirts left :p
18:25.44equiraptorI have enough sluts as it is.
18:25.57Tepetkhethahaha
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18:26.02BagginswwBlizzards are idiots for trying to come up with jokes that would be censored int he first place
18:26.15Bagginswwso now the draenei have few jokes/flirts :p;
18:26.33BagginswwOh darling, I love it when you say *indistinct growling* *repeated yell*"
18:26.39Sunday83Hi! Can you help me? I need to download interface.mpq...
18:26.39Hobinheimforum topic:
18:26.40ApollozeusXD
18:26.43Bagginsww"You know, what happens in Shadowmoon Valley stays in Shadowmoon Valley."
18:26.49Hobinheimwhat is it trivia-wise that you know more than your constituents
18:26.58Bagginsww"I will now speak words of love to you in the language of our people. Oomwa, ubuaglahm *coughs* *clears throat*."
18:26.59TepetkhetWell, have you heard the troll flirts?
18:27.33Bagginsww"Would you be offended if I said that you had a beautiful transgoto? The other one, that's not bad either."
18:27.36Bagginswwtranswhat?
18:27.37TepetkhetWhen excited and enraged, a troll female can mate over 80 times in one night.  Are you prepared?
18:27.39TepetkhetSomething like that.
18:27.44Apollozeusblizzard's employees are a bunch of sexually frustrated geeks ;)
18:27.48Bagginswwthat one sounds like animal channel
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18:28.15equiraptorHrm... I may be able to fix that for them...
18:28.20equiraptorEr, did I say that outloud?
18:28.30Apollozeusrofl
18:28.32Bagginswwlol
18:28.54BagginswwI want stargate version of the expansion
18:29.03Bagginswwlevel 75 and 3 proffessions
18:29.10BagginswwLOL
18:29.27Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_on_Stargate_Atlantis
18:29.38Tepetkhethahaha
18:30.01ApollozeusXD
18:30.13ApollozeusI should be able to photoshop a box for that though
18:30.21BagginswwLOL
18:30.55BagginswwI bet he was upset after they added the later patches, ;)
18:31.20Bagginswwthat character is sexually frustrated geek
18:31.29Bagginswwhe's always hitting on Carter
18:31.44Bagginswwerm well not as much as the other guy on atlantis
18:32.01BagginswwMcKay
18:32.20BagginswwI mean that guy actually has dreams aobut Carter
18:32.31Bagginswwin the nude LOL
18:32.59Tuqui-tuqui0.o
18:33.06BagginswwI guess alot of characters are interested in Carter in the show LOL
18:33.47Moryevil patch notes (april joke) #  Using friendly emotes will now significantly increase the Infernal and Doomguard's chance to remain loyal to the Warlock.
18:33.47Mory# Friendly emotes are no longer available to the Warlock.
18:34.23BagginswwLOL
18:34.52Bagginswwhas anyone found the webpage for the battlgrounds replaced with warcraft III?
18:34.53Moryhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_1.11_%28Evil_Patch_Notes%29
18:37.33BagginswwLOL
18:40.12Teomyrlol "New wing added to Scarlet Monastery called the Graveyard! Check it out!"
18:40.32equiraptorheh
18:44.04Apollozeushaha
18:44.08Apollozeus"The non-combat pet 'Murky' will now be required from every player wishing to enter Onyxia's Lair as we wanted this raid encounter to feel very special."
18:48.48Bagginswwfound it
18:48.53Bagginswwthank you wayback machine :p
18:49.00Bagginswwhttp://web.archive.org/web/20050403083755/http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/#newBG
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18:50.46Teomyrlol, nice
18:54.52BagginswwOk apparently on EU website there was a joke for "warbucks coffee"
18:55.01Bagginswwwe must track that down heh heh
18:59.36Bagginswwsomeone vandalized the evil patch notes?
19:00.50Adys#
19:00.50Adys# Above the corpse of Mankirk's wife, a large red arrow will now appear and be viewable for up to 500 yards. To ensure that the associated quest offers some challenge, typing the word 'Mankirk' 'wife' or 'anyone seen' in Barrens chat will now result in experience loss.
19:00.54Adys<3
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19:01.48KirkburnI'm at Uni :D
19:02.07TepetkhetMankirk??
19:02.08Tepetkhetheh
19:02.11TepetkhetMankrik
19:02.19Bagginswwwow
19:02.31Bagginswwlol
19:02.42TepetkhetSomebody made a female orc char named Mankrikswife and ran out into The Barrens to die.
19:02.51BagginswwLOL
19:03.02Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Warbucks
19:03.12Bagginswwfound it
19:03.20Bagginswwand its now in the wowwik :)
19:03.55Bagginswwunfortunatly the gif that's related to it appears to be gone
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19:10.52KirkburnYes, in a twist that surely suprises no-one, Blizzard announces that WoW now has over 8,000,000 subscribers worldwide. This includes 2 million in North America, 1.5 million in Europe, and 3.5 million in China
19:10.58Kirkburn(twas a quote)
19:11.05Adyslol
19:11.05Bagginswwsigh that's too bad that they completely removed the wandering Rexxar
19:11.08temujin3.5 million farmers
19:11.09temujinwow
19:11.14Adyshaha
19:11.16Bagginswwmeans main world azeroth is even more static
19:11.31Kirkburnhwaa?
19:11.38temujinreally? does rexxar just stand somewhere?
19:11.40KirkburnThey replaced him someone else, didn't they?
19:11.48Bagginswwithat's what it says in rexxar thread
19:11.51Bagginsww*article
19:12.00Bagginswwreplaced with rokaro
19:12.06Bagginswwwho just stands around in shadowsprey village
19:12.14temujinman rexxar and misha were really cool... I used to be comforted by their presense
19:12.22Bagginswwnow they just stand around in outland
19:12.30Bagginswwno more wandering scary giant orc
19:12.36KirkburnOh I see what you mean
19:12.46KirkburnRokaro hasn't taken his place locality-wise
19:12.53temujinnothing like a large bear with a mouth full of pointy teeth to bring comfort
19:13.04Bagginswwheh heh
19:13.23Bagginswwwell so Rexxar still wonders both Azeroth and is also in Outland?
19:13.41Bagginsww*wanders
19:13.52Kirkburn"a whopping 90% of current WoW players will be buying the expansion, and that 75% said they would pick it up within the first 10 days of release"
19:14.36KirkburnIf the expansion sells as well as the survery suggests, it will be the biggest selling expansion of a game ... ever.
19:15.14nemppuPLUS the people who quit but want to see what the xpac brings~
19:15.15nemppulike me
19:15.42Bagginswwheh
19:16.34Adyshttp://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?p=226335
19:16.34AdysoO
19:16.43temujineven more than starcrack?
19:17.32nemppummmm~
19:17.34nemppuvery good point
19:20.07Bagginswwooh it looks like they gave rexxar a new skin
19:20.15Bagginswwhe's not a recolored orc now
19:20.22temujinis he bigger and badder lookin?
19:20.35Bagginswwlooks closer to his TFT intro screen look
19:20.42Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Image:RexxarMishaTLSH.jpg
19:21.27nemppuooh
19:21.36Bagginswwif only they would repalce sylvannas with something that looks more like a dark ranger :p
19:21.43Bagginswwand not a night elf
19:21.58temujinmmm misha looks just as cuddly as ever... but ... rexxar I don't like so much
19:22.11temujinhe lost his demonic look
19:22.22Hobinheimyou mean rexxar looked less than that
19:22.30Hobinheimhe's what, half ogre?
19:22.35Hobinheimwho shagged and made him?
19:22.41temujinrexxar is less scary lookin now
19:23.09Bagginswwin the old version he was jsut an orc model
19:23.09Bagginswwresized
19:23.09TepetkhetHe's...Batman.
19:23.10Bagginswwand recolored
19:23.24Tuqui-tuquilike a cool batman?
19:23.29Tuqui-tuquior like batman from the movies
19:23.31Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/images/thumb/0/09/Rexxar1.jpg/551px-Rexxar1.jpg
19:23.34Tuqui-tuquiwhere his nipples show
19:23.36Bagginswwthat's how he looked in TFT
19:23.41Bagginswwselection screen
19:23.42temujinahhh I guess I never saw the old rexxar
19:23.45temujinonly the wow rexxar
19:23.53BagginswwI'm surprised they didn't bother to use that model
19:23.53temujins/saw/remember/
19:24.04Bagginswwcause they used other warcraft 3 models in WoW]
19:24.17Bagginswwuntil they had higher poly versions
19:24.58BagginswwI wonder if they replaced all the half-ogre models
19:25.10Bagginswwearlier beta versions they were jsut recolored orcs
19:25.22Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Mok%27nathal.jpg
19:28.04BagginswwNo one has bothered to get pictures, but forest trolls have their own new model too
19:28.17Bagginswwcloser to Forest Troll Berserker look from war II
19:29.12temujinoh my God... he IS batman
19:29.19temujinhe can not be killed
19:29.21temujinwow
19:29.26BagginswwLOL
19:29.33temujinrexxar is bad ass man
19:30.07Bagginswwbe nice if thrall had his own model too
19:30.11Bagginswwthat appeared more like his artwork, warcraft III look
19:30.17temujinbleh... he is a shaman... he should wear a dress
19:30.26Bagginswwfar seer
19:30.29Bagginsww:p
19:30.36temujinbah
19:30.40Bagginswwgreater than a mere shaman
19:30.48temujinan elemental shaman on stereoids
19:32.37Bagginswwif they ever make hero classes, it will probably be one of them
19:32.47temujinmmm
19:32.59temujinwonder what other hero classes would be possible
19:33.18Bagginswwarchmage maybe
19:33.39temujinmmm
19:33.39Bagginswwblademaster?
19:33.47temujinyeah... true true
19:33.48Bagginswwmost of the warcraft III heroes probably
19:33.52temujinmmm
19:33.56Bagginswwpaladins were both heroes and non-heroes
19:33.58temujinso nothing for a warlock :(
19:34.06Bagginswwwell warlocks can turn to necromancy
19:34.13Bagginswwat least in the rpg
19:34.23temujinthe wow rpg? table top?
19:34.25BagginswwSo Necromancer would be a good hero choice
19:34.28Bagginswwyes the books
19:34.43TepetkhetDeath Knight.
19:34.50Bagginswwnecromancers can both be seperate classes or warlock an evolves into one.
19:35.07Bagginswwbeing able to summon undead might be cool LOL
19:35.08temujinmmmm
19:35.11temujinhehe
19:35.24Bagginswwand have you seen the new warlock tier 4 or 5
19:35.25temujinyour friend dies... don't rez him... bring him back as a minion to fight for you
19:35.27Bagginswwits very necromancy
19:35.32Bagginsww*necromancer like
19:35.33temujinBagginsww pics?
19:35.35Bagginswwskulls and stuff
19:35.42BagginswwLOL
19:35.45Bagginswwlet me see if I can find it
19:35.49temujinI think I have seen the videos of that...
19:36.26temujinon video.google.com ... mostly a black dress with spikes coming out and black auras.  also the spikes have skulls hanging off of them
19:36.31Bagginswwya
19:36.37Bagginswwits more necromancer like than warlock like
19:36.40temujinhehe
19:36.58temujinseen the trailer for BC? the warlock killing the murlocs?
19:37.07Bagginswwthere are other possiblities created by the RPG that might make good hero classes
19:37.12Bagginswwwarmage
19:37.13temujinrune master?
19:37.20Bagginswwof course
19:37.35Bagginswwthose might evolve from shamans or druids
19:37.40temujinmmm
19:37.57Bagginswwplagueshifter druid for the horde
19:38.01temujinits sick that there are a few classes in the game that doesn't need any other classes...
19:38.03Bagginswwsavagekin druids for the alliance
19:38.21temujindruids, pallies and shaman to a lesser degree
19:38.21Bagginswwwe see some classes as NPC classes
19:38.25Bagginswwbut not player classes
19:38.50BagginswwArgent Dawn Templar could be cut down to just "Templar"
19:38.57Bagginswwand could be a good upgrade for paladins
19:39.38Bagginswwwitch doctors for troll shamans?
19:40.12Bagginswwbe interesting if your profession could also influence what hero class you go into
19:41.24Bagginswwa forsaken mage that takes up alchemy perhaps could become a "apothecary"
19:42.10Adyshttp://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys/Qotd
19:42.12Adys=)
19:42.13temujinyeah
19:42.14temujinhehe
19:42.57temujinthat would be kinda cool... what would a leatherworker alliance female mage be? s&m with ice and fire?
19:43.28Bagginswwkind think of anything specific
19:43.31Hobinheimi still want metamorphosis for my warlock
19:43.38temujinmetamorphosis?
19:43.40Bagginswwonly for demon hunters ;)
19:44.02Bagginswwnot sure demon hunters would evolve from warlocks
19:44.06Bagginswwthey are often at odds
19:44.12nemppusome time ago when i was playing around with these things in my mind i thought of a cool system where every class has two paths to go, and every path leads to a class which two classes can come from
19:44.32BagginswwI think some kind of choice would be a good thing
19:44.45Bagginswwwe need more variety
19:44.53TepetkhetI think the Spirit of Redemption should look different.
19:45.02BagginswwI think the only reason we don't have hero classes though is it would be a pain to balance
19:45.18BagginswwI would like lore for the 'angels"
19:45.20TepetkhetAnd I think female Horde druids should not look like ass.
19:45.24Hobinheimdemon hunter... now that you mention it... =(
19:45.28nemppuso like.. a warrior can go for advanced class 1 or 2, but f.ex warrior advanced class 2 would also be advanced class choice for rogue
19:45.28Hobinheim:shakefist:
19:45.29nemppu^^
19:45.35equiraptorTauren cat form needs a rework.
19:45.43Hobinheimdemon form would still be hot tho
19:45.44TepetkhetBigtime.
19:45.48Tuqui-tuquiIt needs flowers >:{
19:45.49TepetkhetTauren catform is stupid.
19:45.55TepetkhetMale and female look alike.
19:45.55Tuqui-tuquiand rainblows!
19:45.57Hobinheimyou mean the model?
19:45.57TepetkhetLike a MALE cat.
19:46.07TepetkhetLike a MALE lion.  With horns.
19:46.08Tepetkhetlame.
19:46.23BagginswwLOL
19:46.29Bagginswwbe funny if it was the size of a cat
19:46.32TepetkhetTheir emotes used to be male, too.
19:46.34Bagginswwwith large horns
19:46.42Tepetkhet*clunk*
19:46.43Tepetkhethah
20:09.59*** join/#wowwiki Mike-T (n=dk_t_bon@0x573349fc.arcnxx21.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk)
20:10.45Tuqui-tuquiI wish there was a way to check how my auctions where doing? :<
20:10.47Tuqui-tuquiis there?
20:11.25mgg4_Buying or selling.  You should be able to visit the AH and see your bids and auctions.
20:11.41Tuqui-tuquias in outside the game -.-
20:11.44Tuqui-tuqui:)
20:12.11mgg4_I doubt you'll see that.  Blizz probably won't allow that type of external access.
20:12.23Tuqui-tuquid'oh! XD
20:12.39KirkburnOoh, I think this page is useful :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_angry_mastodons
20:14.10mgg4_Interesting.  A whimsical way of presenting the topic.
20:16.04KirkburnRemember: "Mastodons are very rare in modern cities."
20:16.26mgg4_hehe.
20:18.05KirkburnLol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipe-tan
20:19.21KirkburnAh, I am humoured
20:19.28KirkburnYet more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_climbing_the_Reichstag_dressed_as_Spider-Man
20:32.16Bagginswwwoohoo I got my acceptance letters to two of the 3 universities I applied to
20:32.28mgg4_gratz.
20:32.30Tuqui-tuquiyay!
20:32.36Tuqui-tuquiwhich ones :D
20:32.44mgg4_Now you just need to figure out how to pay for it!!
20:32.57BagginswwLOL
20:33.30BagginswwUniversity of Montana in Misoulla
20:33.40Bagginswwand University of Hawaii, Hilo
20:33.47Tepetkhetheh
20:33.54Tuqui-tuqui-.-
20:34.00Tuqui-tuquiwhat are you studying?
20:34.02Bagginswwstill need to see what kind of scholarship I can get out of hilo :p
20:34.07BagginswwAnthropology/Geology
20:34.38BagginswwLooking into fieldwork in Geological Anthropology, or forensics
20:34.46TepetkhetWow
20:35.07TepetkhetI seem to recall Hawaii had pretty good forensics programs.
20:35.18BagginswwThat sounds good
20:36.00Bagginswwnow Montana is offering me 7500 scholarship a year for up to 30,000
20:36.21Bagginswwwell per semester
20:36.22BagginswwI mean
20:36.32Hobinheimhawaii...
20:36.35Bagginswwnow if I can get hawaii to match that :p
20:36.37Hobinheimaloha oy
20:36.42Bagginswwheh heh
20:37.15KirkburnLilo and Stitch ftw
20:38.02mgg4_Hawaii is very expensive.  High cost of living.  Your dollars will go farther in Montana, but it is much, MUCH colder.  ;-)
20:38.36Bagginswwwell I looked into cost of living isn't much higher than it is in california on Hilo :p
20:38.40Bagginswwthat is both have nasty taxes
20:38.56Bagginswwon the other hand location location location LOL
20:39.07BagginswwI want to learn how to scuba dive too
20:39.12TepetkhetWell, with the great forensics program in Hawaii and plenty of nice geological samples to study in the wild as it were...
20:39.19Bagginswwya
20:39.23Bagginswwactive geology
20:39.27mgg4_That would be hard to do in Montana (SCUBA, that is).
20:39.31TepetkhetEven though I hate the sun, I'd go with Hawaii.
20:39.32BagginswwLOL
20:39.57BagginswwI mostly applied to montana because they sent me a letter requesting me first LOL
20:40.18Bagginswwso I knew if hawaii doesn't pan out I have other alternatives
20:41.02KirkburnIn Hawaii you can go and pester the FuBar creator :P
20:41.19Tuqui-tuqui-.-
20:43.08Bagginswwlol
20:44.08Bagginswwok now Hawaii will fax out their scholarship application to me LOL
20:44.11Bagginswwjust called them
20:45.10Tepetkhetnice
20:45.33mgg4_Good luck with it.
20:46.16jrrwhat you wanna study?
20:46.38Tepetkhet[15:34] Bagginsww: Anthropology/Geology
20:46.53Tepetkhet[15:34] Bagginsww: Looking into fieldwork in Geological Anthropology, or forensics
20:46.54Tepetkhetheh
20:47.33jrrinteresting fields
20:47.38Hobinheimhow will either of those help you get epix
20:47.42BagginswwLOL
20:47.51Hobinheimi've done virtually nothing at work today... =(
20:48.06jrryou'll do virtually less on BC day
20:48.12BagginswwLOL
20:48.16Hobinheimno, i want all my addons to work
20:48.21Hobinheimi've played so little warcraft these days
20:48.28TepetkhetI want my targetting to work.
20:48.30Bagginswwsadly school comes first on BC day if homework exists.
20:48.35Hobinheimand i'm still like. anxious. guides to write, classes to play! it's too much!
20:48.59Bagginswwsomeone needs to write a guide, "How to be in three places at once"
20:49.14Hobinheimlike i don't know what to do... my guild isn't so fantastic. but i'm not a fantastic guild member either
20:49.16mgg4_I'll buy three copies.
20:49.21BagginswwLOL
20:49.35Hobinheimhow to be in three places? what do you mean? too many things to do? =P
20:49.40Hobinheimstep one. clone yourself
20:49.46Hobinheimstep two. dispatch clones
20:50.01Tepetkhetstep three: PROFIT!
20:50.04mgg4_Equip each clone with a copy of the book.
20:50.08Hobinheimlol @ Tepetkhet
20:50.16jrrthat'd be pretty sweet, provided there's a way to reacquire what the clones learn while away
20:50.16Bagginswwok, step 0, Buy "How to clone one's self"
20:50.16Hobinheimdo you read slashdot?
20:50.34Hobinheimok jrr now we're heading into naruto territory
20:50.54Bagginswwonly problem is cloning usually turns out bad, anyone see multiplicity?
20:51.08Bagginswwone of them tries to take over your life and replace you :p
20:51.19jrrno but i've seen that schwarzenegger movie
20:51.41jrr6th day
20:51.50Bagginswwnot sure I've seen that one
20:51.58jrrthere's clones.
20:52.13Bagginswwand there is the Clone WArs too :p
20:52.26Bagginswwand ATtack of the Clones
20:52.35Hobinheimor the entire story line of multiple man
20:52.45Hobinheimis life, "death", alter egos, hobbies
20:52.49Bagginswwlol
20:52.58Hobinheimall of his clones had different hobbies
20:53.00Hobinheimand personalities
20:53.03Hobinheimsome committed crimes
20:53.08Bagginswwwow
20:53.09Hobinheimand when he merged back together, he was horrified
20:53.18Hobinheimso then he died or got killed
20:53.22Hobinheimbut not really! dun dun dun
20:53.31Hobinheimsome faught over who was the original
20:53.35BagginswwLOL
20:53.39Hobinheimand then some mental falling out thing happened. i think
20:53.45Hobinheimi dunno i could very well be making all of this up
20:53.51BagginswwLOL
20:54.02Bagginswwso he had a bad case of MPD
20:54.15Hobinheimsure why not
20:54.27BagginswwLOL
20:56.39Hobinheimi still think wow needs a melee pet class
20:56.46Hobinheimit's the only intersection of things that doesn't make any sense
20:56.55Hobinheimsomeone who essentially makes a duplicate of himself
20:57.37Bagginswwbrewmaster ftw
20:58.15Bagginswwstorm, earth and fire
21:05.43Hobinheimheed my call
21:05.54Hobinheimbrewmaster doesn't fit though
21:06.00Hobinheima melee evasion class?
21:06.02Hobinheimwith fire?
21:07.52Hobinheima new class has to fit an undefined niche
21:09.25equiraptorHrm. There are two sort-of-nature casters, but both are hybrids, and neither seems to be the same type of nature caster that a frost mage is frost caster or shadow priest is shadow caster.
21:09.52equiraptorBut, say, a nature/arcane caster probably wouldn't be different enough from a balance druid.
21:10.44Hobinheimi would argue a warlock is more of a shadow caster than a shadow priest
21:11.04equiraptorWarlock I'd say is shadow/fire, with the weight of each dependant on the spec.
21:11.19equiraptorA shadow priest is a shadow (pretty much only) caster.
21:12.05equiraptor(I'm not saying a warlock is less of a shadow caster than a shadow priest, just that the warlock is dual-type, while a shadow-spec priest isn't, really)
21:12.09Hobinheimthe way i would make an extra class is to write down the features of all the classes and just make one that fills in all the blanks that haven't been done yet. which is why i'm so insistent on a melee pet class. it's so absurd, it both makes sense and doesn't make sense
21:12.49equiraptorHow would the pets work?
21:13.20equiraptorI think a pet that was a tank for the character would just be a rogue with a pet.
21:13.35Hobinheimthink of someone that exists in two halves
21:13.38equiraptorSo there should be some interesting trickery and specialization, like with the warlock pets.
21:13.45Hobinheimyou have to switch between views
21:13.54Hobinheimyou are the yin self with a yang pet or a yang self with a yin pet
21:13.58Hobinheimboth essentially identical
21:14.04Hobinheimi should write up a wiki page about this
21:14.11Hobinheimlike i said, it's absurd. but it's the only way!
21:14.28Hobinheimgoons even suggested that the energy bar be different. have a sort of tug and pull with yin and yang abilities
21:14.30equiraptorIs there a monk-like character in WoW?
21:14.50Hobinheimbesides unarmed melee characters called monks in the scarlet monestary, i don't think so
21:14.56equiraptorA shared bar between the two? Like the health between the twin emps in AQ40 is shared?
21:15.04Hobinheimoh i didn't know that
21:15.09Hobinheim(no end game knowledge)
21:15.15Hobinheimno like a bar that... you know how bars are usually filled
21:15.23Hobinheimthis bar's neutral point is in the middle
21:15.27equiraptorAh.
21:15.32Hobinheimthe more yin you use, the more yang you get
21:15.39Hobinheimlike the abilities throw the other school of abilities off balance
21:15.43Hobinheimkinda like holy and shadow
21:15.49Hobinheimas in opposites i mean
21:16.12Hobinheimhe'd specialize in polearms, fist weapons, unarmed, and thrown weapons. you konw, all the good ones =)
21:16.22Hobinheimseriously, this all makes sense in my head
21:16.28equiraptorOh, so you need "thing" to cast some spells, and get "Thing" from other abilities, and you can't go to more than 100% thing or less than 0%?
21:16.36Hobinheimyeah
21:16.44Hobinheimlike you'll eventually run out of yin, but now you're at max yang
21:16.46Hobinheimso you have to switch
21:16.49Hobinheimor something stupid like that
21:16.55equiraptorHeh.. "Too much yin!"
21:17.04Hobinheimand then at rest, out of combat, your bar with neutralize to 50 50
21:17.20Hobinheimsee, if we didn't do this, we'd be relegated to another rage/energy/mana class. BORING
21:17.22equiraptorInteresting.
21:17.28equiraptorheh.
21:17.28equiraptor:)
21:17.37equiraptorI think I'm anti-pet, though.
21:17.41equiraptorYou could do that without the pet.
21:18.04equiraptorAnd I don't know that there's a good way to handle the pet that wouldn't just be copying the hunter or a warlock pet.
21:18.16Hobinheimzomg i love pets
21:18.30equiraptorI love pets, too.
21:18.32Hobinheimthink of this... we'll call him a monk. think of the monk's pet as an identical version of you
21:18.37Hobinheimnot like the way pets are now
21:18.41Hobinheimlike a mirror image
21:18.47Hobinheimlike you're mind controling a humanoid
21:18.52Hobinheimbut you're only limited to four abilities
21:19.09Hobinheimand then you have to switch into the two bodies
21:19.11Hobinheimlike stance dancing
21:19.15HobinheimYin self and Yang self
21:19.39Hobinheimthen there would be all these provisions for merging or sacrificing one of your bodies
21:21.11Tuqui-tuqui...
21:21.26Tuqui-tuquiId like to walk around nekkie
21:21.29Hobinheimit's like being a blade master with a real clone of yourself
21:21.52Hobinheimand to enemy targets it looks like oh shit two blademasters are coming
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22:08.43Hobinheimi'm really pining for some mind control right now ... =(
22:08.48Tepetkhethome
22:08.49TepetkhetLater.
22:14.18KirkburnNotice the second lead story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/default.stm
22:23.34Apollozeuswhat a weird title o.O
22:23.41Apollozeus'Date given for Warcraft expansion'
22:23.50Adyslol
22:23.51Apollozeusthey gave january 16 as a date weeks and weeks ago
22:25.44Apollozeuslry jnkns
22:26.05Apollozeusk that sucked
22:26.10Apollozeusi'm outta here, later
22:26.21temujinhigh lord kruul <-- wtf is he and where does he come from
22:26.34Apollozeusdark portal
22:26.47temujinany more information about him?
22:26.51Apollozeushe's a leuitenant of kazzak
22:28.43Hobinheimlol bbc
22:29.02Hobinheimlol he's kazzaki like borat
22:32.05temujin?
22:32.08temujinwhy fin why
22:32.39Finto equip an item, there's a /equip slash command, EquipItemByName and another function by id and stuff
22:32.45Finso three alternatives which are nice and neat
22:34.52Finto dequip an item... you have to use PickupContainerItem, check for CursorHasItem, then check if there's space in your backpack and PutItemInBackpack or PutItemInBag otherwise
22:35.33Finwe installed a TWiki at work today!
22:35.34Finhooray!
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22:40.23temujinFin ... the equip fine...
22:40.32temujinunqeuip... yeah... you need to do those checks...
22:40.38temujincan't unequip when in combat some things
22:40.52temujincan't put stuff into bag where thereis no space
22:41.20temujincan do something like a switch equipment.... but that would go into equip I guess and bag item swap happen automatically
22:49.24Finthe reason I cried inside was because the number of steps involved in unequipping an item is disproportionately more than for equipping an item
22:50.03temujinhehe
22:50.41temujinGrabItemFromBag() or GrabItemFromBackPack(), CursorHasItem(), EquipItemInSlot(), AutoEquipItemInSlot()
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22:50.44temujinthere you go :)
22:50.55Fintalk about prompt service!
22:53.14Finsearched google for site:www.curse-gaming.com upload; tried uploading a project with the same name as the existing project (fails due to existing project); can't find any link from the addon page itself for me
22:53.31FinI'm obviously missing something (probably obvious)
22:53.43FinI mean... it's not like addons aren't being updated
22:56.23temujin...
22:56.26temujindunno mang
22:56.29temujinI just troll here
22:59.08Finjust, uh, expressing my anguish, it's OK. troll on, dude.
23:00.21Tuqui-tuquiyay for trolling!
23:00.28Tuqui-tuqui¡oooW
23:30.41Finhuh
23:30.54Finodd
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