irclog2html for #wowwiki on 20070107

`00:00.26`	`dotted`	`tried and failed, probably becuase im tired`
`00:00.27`	`dotted`	`:)`
`00:00.50`	`Zakuto`	`=+D`
`00:01.13`	`dotted`	`:D/--<`
`00:01.27`	`dotted`	`:D>--<`
`00:01.30`	`dotted`	`:D<--<`
`00:03.02`	`Zakuto`	`:(((((`
`00:03.16`	`Zakuto`	`its so hard to find the right set for twinking my hunter :(`
`00:03.21`	`Zakuto`	`anyone wanna help me?`
`00:06.38`	`Zakuto`	`i need 49 hunter twinking gear`
`00:11.15`	`Hobinheim`	`paging unix/networking expert`
`00:14.01`	`Deathface`	`which is a better invention`
`00:14.06`	`Deathface`	`tabasco or george foreman grill?`
`00:14.49`	`Zakuto`	`tabasco`
`00:15.56`	`Hobinheim`	`george foreman`
`00:16.56`	`dotted`	`dont know what either of them are so cant tell`
`00:18.39`	`Deathface`	`dotted, my friend, you are missing out on life's finest delicacies`
`00:19.30`	`Teomyr`	`"He really said all of that? Wow, I can't believe he's going to call off the spectral assassins and stalkers, even if he did hint at causing my living companions further harm in the future."`
`00:19.49`	`Teomyr`	`any news on that from beta? are we going to see Lord Valthalak again?`
`00:32.33`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`who knows`
`00:33.10`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`wonder what the lore behind him is...`
`00:33.13`	`Teomyr`	`at least i hope so`
`00:33.20`	`Teomyr`	`i loved the dungeon set 2 quests`
`00:34.12`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Return to them, before I change my mind and slay you where you stand. Go back and tell them that they are safe... for now.`
`00:34.25`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`from the Questline, after killing loird Valthalak`
`00:34.27`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`he says it`
`00:34.32`	`Teomyr`	`yeah`
`00:34.33`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`note the "For now"`
`00:34.44`	`Teomyr`	`and Bodley also refers to this`
`00:35.00`	`Teomyr`	`when you turn in the quest`
`00:36.00`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`well, he is one frm the past...`
`00:36.09`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`care to tell where your quote came from?`
`00:36.39`	`Teomyr`	`it's the text Bodley says when you turn in "Return to Bodley"`
`00:37.24`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`well...`
`00:37.37`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`he could have been referring to the others doing the quest`
`00:37.39`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`or...`
`00:37.58`	`Teomyr`	`aah`
`00:38.06`	`Teomyr`	`didn't even think of that`
`00:38.19`	`Teomyr`	`that'd make sense`
`00:38.24`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`well, like I said,lore behind Valthalak is from the past. Blizzard hinted that they can expand the Caverns of TIme with more instances, whenever they like...`
`00:38.51`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`so perhaps`
`00:38.54`	`Teomyr`	`that would be so cool! seeing how the Veiled Blade killed valthalak and had to flee from him...`
`00:39.08`	`Teomyr`	`*how they had`
`00:39.45`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Valthalak his page is quite low on lore though, so I don't know the whole story (neither did I ever do the questline, was introduced when I was alrdy epiced out ><)`
`00:39.55`	`Teomyr`	`hehe`
`00:40.18`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`though if SOMEONE could update it, with more information winks`
`00:40.19`	`Teomyr`	`well, there is not much lore info beyond what's in the quest descriptions and the book you get`
`00:40.25`	`Teomyr`	`:D`
`00:41.23`	`Teomyr`	`aka the encyclopedia`
`00:41.58`	`Teomyr`	`they should have more information on this!`
`00:43.39`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`well,n we should too and preferable a bit centered`
`00:44.56`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but I'm not going to do it, not atm, I'm going to bed`
`00:44.57`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`GN!`
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`00:50.46`	`Castdead`	`so what is the plan about the crafting rosters?`
`00:57.51`	`Hobinheim`	`paging kirk`
`00:57.54`	`Hobinheim`	`gah...`
`01:17.54`	`Hobinheim`	`headings up for anybody, my bot is running unassisted right now`
`01:17.58`	`Hobinheim`	`demoting stuff.`
`01:32.36`	`Deathface`	`hey can anyone tell me why my pet skill roar is gone now and how i can get it back`
`01:32.38`	`Deathface`	`i have the same pet`
`01:33.53`	`equiraptor`	`I'm not familiar with a pet skill named "roar".`
`01:34.08`	`equiraptor`	`A list of pet skills can be found here: http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/articles/petskillslist.html`
`01:34.16`	`Deathface`	`i mean growl`
`01:34.17`	`Deathface`	`sorry`
`01:34.18`	`Deathface`	`growl`
`01:34.42`	`equiraptor`	`Did you check your pet's spellbook?`
`01:35.05`	`Hobinheim`	`have you logged in since the new patch? or is this your first time?`
`01:35.23`	`Deathface`	`yeah it wont let me equip it`
`01:35.34`	`Deathface`	`i just logged in a minute ago`
`01:35.37`	`Deathface`	`and its gone`
`01:35.44`	`Deathface`	`it was on my pet bar`
`01:36.03`	`Hobinheim`	`have you tried retraining another copy?`
`01:36.08`	`Deathface`	`wait nvm`
`01:36.15`	`Deathface`	`i was looking in the wront place`
`01:36.20`	`Deathface`	`gd, sry im a noob`
`01:36.58`	`dotted`	`^^`
`01:46.54`	`Hobinheim`	`paging admin`
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`02:05.13`	`Adys`	`mm test`
`02:05.50`	`Hobinheim`	`adys, my demoter bot is running right now`
`02:05.53`	`Hobinheim`	`unassisted`
`02:05.56`	`Hobinheim`	`just figured i should let people konw`
`02:06.04`	`Adys`	`demoter?`
`02:06.10`	`Adys`	`Heading demotion?`
`02:06.28`	`Hobinheim`	`yeah`
`02:06.33`	`Adys`	`mm`
`02:06.44`	`Hobinheim`	`it estimates that 20% of our article base has h1 in it`
`02:07.02`	`Adys`	`thats 10000 articles ><`
`02:07.10`	`Hobinheim`	`heh`
`02:07.52`	`Hobinheim`	`hmm i just realized a flaw in my algorithm`
`02:07.53`	`Hobinheim`	`oh well`
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`02:08.11`	`Hobinheim`	`i have no real way of polling every article, so i'm using special:random page`
`02:08.21`	`Hobinheim`	`so... pages might repeat and skew the statistic`
`02:08.38`	`Hobinheim`	`hmm now that i think about it if pages repeated then the % would be even higher, lol`
`02:16.07`	`Hobinheim`	`hmm putty died`
`02:16.09`	`Hobinheim`	`heh bot dead`
`02:17.01`	`Adys`	`Question...`
`02:17.22`	`Adys`	`if the pages are under Item:, Server:, Spell: and Quest: namespace`
`02:17.31`	`Adys`	`will they appear when doing Random Article?`
`02:18.19`	`Adys`	`and omfg hob, you just filled my watchlist by 50 articles><`
`02:18.38`	`dotted`	`haha`
`02:19.15`	`Hobinheim`	`turn off show bots`
`02:19.22`	`Adys`	`yeh just did`
`02:19.23`	`Hobinheim`	`umm those aren't real namespaces`
`02:19.28`	`Hobinheim`	`so i don't know how special random works`
`02:19.32`	`Adys`	`ues hob`
`02:19.33`	`Hobinheim`	`but i think it doesn't check templates and user pages`
`02:19.35`	`Adys`	`yes*`
`02:19.40`	`Adys`	`but if they become real namespaces`
`02:19.49`	`Hobinheim`	`if they become real namespace.s... then maybe it won't hit`
`02:19.49`	`Adys`	`I never had a WoWWiki: page either`
`02:19.57`	`Hobinheim`	`we have to look into how it's actuallly coded`
`02:20.01`	`Hobinheim`	`like... in the wiki engine`
`02:33.42`	`Hobinheim`	`sigh thank god i'm a programmer...`
`02:33.51`	`Hobinheim`	`this project would have taken an eternity to put a dent in...`
`02:36.06`	`Hobinheim`	`estimated report still hovering at 20%`
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`02:43.37`	`Adys`	`lol at watchlist`
`02:43.51`	`Adys`	`Below are the last 410 changes in the last 7 days, as of 04:43, 7 January 2007.`
`02:44.02`	`Adys`	`blame hobinbot`
`02:48.31`	`Adys`	`Hmm just going through the edits, Hobinbot is doing quite a nice job`
`02:48.46`	`Hobinheim`	`at worst, it might demote a fan fiction page`
`02:48.53`	`Hobinheim`	`or demote something that kinda already had stupid headers`
`02:49.00`	`Hobinheim`	`but both of those can be spotted and rolled back`
`02:49.02`	`Hobinheim`	`so w/e`
`02:49.07`	`Hobinheim`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Hobinbot`
`02:50.46`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Equipment_slot&diff=406245&oldid=279847`
`02:51.40`	`Hobinheim`	`what of it?`
`02:51.48`	`Adys`	`well its cool =P`
`02:51.59`	`Hobinheim`	`heh thanks`
`02:52.34`	`Deathface`	`any hunters here`
`02:52.51`	`Deathface`	`how does aimed shot work exaxtly? 70 dmg attack or adds 70 dmg to next attack?`
`02:53.14`	`Hobinheim`	`hmm it stopped...`
`02:53.30`	`Hobinheim`	`Deathface, probably adds. don't we have an entry on aimed shot?`
`02:53.42`	`Hobinheim`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Aimed_shot`
`02:54.17`	`Hobinheim`	`n/m bot didn't stop`
`02:54.18`	`Deathface`	`just got the skill`
`02:54.33`	`Hobinheim`	`if you're a unix guy, i nohupped the bot... so... i can literally just walk away`
`02:54.39`	`Hobinheim`	`i normally don't write full on automatic stuff like this`
`02:55.09`	`Hobinheim`	`aimed shot is probably a good opener`
`02:55.41`	`Adys`	`hob btw`
`02:55.46`	`Adys`	`can you look upon that`
`02:55.47`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Anatomy_of_a_City:_Silvermoon`
`02:55.58`	`Adys`	`at the part with the 4 images Geometry Textured Doodad Ingame`
`02:56.14`	`Adys`	`they link to themselves, my original idea was to link to their full image`
`02:56.22`	`Adys`	`look at the history`
`02:56.28`	`Hobinheim`	`gotta use the imagelink thing`
`02:58.41`	`Hobinheim`	`i think it's fantastic that people are using their server pages for guild progression`
`02:58.45`	`Hobinheim`	`makes us even more popular =)`
`03:01.00`	`Hobinheim`	`reporting in at 16%`
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`03:09.29`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Wisp_%28April_Fool%27s%29`
`03:09.40`	`Adys`	`fixed the images but the code needs a cleanup to look better ><`
`03:09.50`	`Adys`	`if anyone can be arsed - i tried, i failed :p`
`03:26.24`	`Hobinheim`	`lol you tried mad hard`
`03:26.43`	`Adys`	`mm?`
`03:26.47`	`Hobinheim`	`i would have taken the layout with a grain of salt and made it more wiki-ish`
`03:27.10`	`Adys`	`go ahead >< i suck with html styling`
`03:30.27`	`Hobinheim`	`LOL Goon Squad - First Horde guild to ever kill Thrall and Vol'jin WHAT`
`03:30.41`	`Hobinheim`	`MASS coordination of mark of shame`
`03:30.41`	`Hobinheim`	`LOL`
`03:30.49`	`Adys`	`hahahahah`
`05:35.28`	`Hobinheim`	`reporting in at 14.7%`
`05:35.36`	`Adys`	`god lol`
`05:37.42`	`Hobinheim`	`the add-on community blows`
`05:37.54`	`Hobinheim`	`no one answers my questions and it's so fucking hard to get anything off the ground`
`05:42.36`	`kuinkala`	`:)`
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`06:01.35`	`zaggers`	`anyone know if you can find joana's guide for free anywhere on the web?`
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`10:15.15`	`Geb`	`test`
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`11:52.07`	`add\\Smir-gr`	`hi guys`
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`12:11.14`	`Apollozeus`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Mount <-- sweeter than ever`
`12:11.14`	`Apollozeus`	`:D`
`12:18.22`	`amro`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Mount#Class_discount`
`12:18.32`	`amro`	`"acquired at 60" is that supposed to look like that?`
`12:21.55`	`Teomyr`	`"Your invoice is attached to this mail in PDF-EXE format. You don't need to have a specific viewer application installed to view it!" rofl`
`12:22.38`	`Apollozeus`	`<amro> "acquired at 60" is that supposed to look like that? <-- no >_>`
`12:22.39`	`amro`	`lol`
`12:25.12`	`add\\Smir`	`someone of you has a guid for enchanting 300-375? ;)`
`12:36.50`	`Apollozeus`	`why bother? in a few days your beta characters will go poof`
`12:41.59`	`amro`	`ahahah, i just remember all the threads begging blizzard to not do a character wipe on release`
`12:42.09`	`amro`	`s/remember/remembered/`
`12:46.39`	`Apollozeus`	`rofl`
`12:46.57`	`Apollozeus`	`s/rofl/lmfao`
`12:47.07`	`Apollozeus`	`damnit`
`12:47.09`	`Apollozeus`	`didn't work`
`12:47.11`	`Apollozeus`	`:(`
`12:47.16`	`Apollozeus`	`oh and, those were pathetic`
`12:47.32`	`Apollozeus`	`people knew their characters were not going to be perm when the beta started`
`12:47.37`	`Apollozeus`	`it's the whole point of a beta phase`
`12:48.21`	`amro`	`you need a trailing /`
`12:48.40`	`Hobinheim`	`silverside is back... unbelievable...`
`12:49.00`	`amro`	`rings a bell, but I don't know who that it`
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`12:49.06`	`amro`	`s/it/is/`
`12:50.32`	`Apollozeus`	`s/it's the whole point of a beta phase/thanks dude :D/`
`12:50.45`	`Apollozeus`	`awesome`
`12:51.01`	`amro`	`infobot, cookie?`
`12:51.03`	`infobot`	`/me gives everyone a cookie`
`12:51.12`	`amro`	`nice.`
`12:51.25`	`amro`	`no infobot, cookie is <action>gives everyone a cookie`
`12:51.49`	`amro`	`infobot, cookie?`
`12:51.51`	`infobot`	`/me gives everyone a cookie`
`12:51.58`	`amro`	`infobot no, cookie is <action>gives everyone a cookie`
`12:52.00`	`infobot`	`okay, amro`
`12:52.00`	`Hobinheim`	`infobot, great job`
`12:52.06`	`amro`	`infobot, cookie?`
`12:52.07`	`infobot`	`ACTION gives everyone a cookie`
`12:52.38`	`amro`	`infobot no, cookie is <action>gives <who> a cookie`
`12:52.39`	`infobot`	`amro: okay`
`12:53.03`	`Apollozeus`	`rofl, it is actually programmed this way`
`12:53.23`	`amro`	`yeah`
`12:53.32`	`Hobinheim`	`i just want to revert all of silverside's contributions`
`12:53.34`	`Apollozeus`	`infobot, pokemon is <action>is a a charizard lawls`
`12:53.36`	`infobot`	`...but pokemon is already something else...`
`12:53.39`	`Apollozeus`	`:(`
`12:53.39`	`Hobinheim`	`so suspicious....`
`12:53.42`	`Hobinheim`	`infobot, pokemon`
`12:53.43`	`infobot`	`well, pokemon is a shot, or does not compute.`
`12:53.51`	`Apollozeus`	`infobot no, pokemon is <action>is a a charizard lawls`
`12:53.53`	`infobot`	`Apollozeus: okay`
`12:54.01`	`Apollozeus`	`pokemon`
`12:54.07`	`Apollozeus`	`infobot, pokemon`
`12:54.08`	`infobot`	`ACTION is a a charizard lawls`
`12:54.11`	`Hobinheim`	`infobot no, pokemon is <action> is a Charizard, LOLZ!!!`
`12:54.12`	`infobot`	`Hobinheim: okay`
`12:54.12`	`Apollozeus`	`LOL`
`12:54.17`	`Hobinheim`	`infobot, pokemon`
`12:54.18`	`infobot`	`ACTION is a Charizard, LOLZ!!!`
`12:54.24`	`Hobinheim`	`hehehe`
`12:54.34`	`amro`	`hm it needs aprefix`
`12:54.35`	`Apollozeus`	`infobot, hobinheim is a demon from hell`
`12:54.37`	`infobot`	`Apollozeus: okay`
`12:54.37`	`amro`	`~cookie?`
`12:54.39`	`infobot`	`ACTION gives <who> a cookie`
`12:54.40`	`Hobinheim`	`=(`
`12:54.44`	`Hobinheim`	`LOL`
`12:54.48`	`Apollozeus`	`infobot, hobinheim`
`12:54.50`	`infobot`	`[hobinheim] a demon from hell`
`12:54.55`	`Apollozeus`	`damnit`
`12:55.15`	`Apollozeus`	`infobot no, hobinheim is is a demon from hell`
`12:55.17`	`infobot`	`Apollozeus: okay`
`12:55.21`	`Apollozeus`	`infobot, hobinheim`
`12:55.23`	`infobot`	`rumour has it, hobinheim is is a demon from hell`
`12:55.38`	`Hobinheim`	`infobot, are you british?`
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`12:55.49`	`Apollozeus`	`infobot, kirkburn`
`12:55.50`	`infobot`	`Kirkburn is the author of the funky font switchers, ClearFont and ClearFont2!`
`12:55.54`	`Apollozeus`	`hahaha`
`12:56.02`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`:D`
`12:56.12`	`Apollozeus`	`infobot, Apollozeus owns my soul`
`12:56.15`	`Teomyr`	`hi karkburn :D`
`12:56.59`	`amro`	`~emulate kirkburn`
`12:57.00`	`infobot`	`I hear he's very fond of kittens. Buy him one.`
`12:57.10`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`hehe`
`12:57.30`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I'll be back properly later`
`12:57.33`	`Apollozeus`	`infobot, Apollozeus`
`12:58.04`	`Hobinheim`	`kirk to the irk`
`12:58.06`	`Hobinheim`	`guess who's back`
`12:59.15`	`Apollozeus`	`infobot, cookie`
`12:59.23`	`Apollozeus`	`o.O`
`12:59.29`	`Hobinheim`	`holy christ i just want to delete his pages`
`13:12.26`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Argh, what is SS doing?`
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`13:12.55`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`sigh`
`13:13.59`	`Hobinheim`	`it just feels shady`
`13:14.01`	`Apollozeus`	`leave him a note on his talk page and find out?`
`13:15.01`	`Hobinheim`	`yeah the talk page i had to remove the redirect from`
`13:15.01`	`Hobinheim`	`weirdo...`
`13:15.07`	`Apollozeus`	`what the fuck`
`13:15.08`	`Apollozeus`	`these points of interests are dumb`
`13:15.10`	`Hobinheim`	`btw my bot died last night at 1AM`
`13:15.20`	`Hobinheim`	`oh and kirk i dunno if you saw but i had my bot running for like... hours.`
`13:16.03`	`Apollozeus`	`kirkburn`
`13:18.20`	`Apollozeus`	`I'm deleting his weird idea`
`13:18.38`	`Apollozeus`	`well, nominating for deletion`
`13:19.10`	`Hobinheim`	`i'd straight out nuke it if i didn't have a conscience`
`13:21.43`	`Hobinheim`	`hey you might wanna be careful with that delete template =)`
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`13:21.48`	`Hobinheim`	`trying to nominate people's user pages for deletion`
`13:21.52`	`Hobinheim`	`morning tek`
`13:21.58`	`Hobinheim`	`maybe you could help me with my addon woes`
`13:22.16`	`Tekkub`	`ask in a bit, about to leave for work`
`13:22.45`	`Hobinheim`	`the lord waits for no one!!!`
`13:23.20`	`Adys`	`Noooooo`
`13:23.37`	`Apollozeus`	`<@Hobinheim> trying to nominate people's user pages for deletion <-- that's not what I'm doing`
`13:24.03`	`Adys`	`I thought the pain was over when I saw there was no more bold articles in watchlist`
`13:24.08`	`Adys`	`but here it comes again`
`13:24.32`	`Hobinheim`	`heh sorry man`
`13:24.37`	`Hobinheim`	`the bot crashed last night, dunno why`
`13:24.54`	`Hobinheim`	`we're only reporting in at 14% =P`
`13:25.04`	`Adys`	`you like numbers?`
`13:25.10`	`Adys`	`changes in the last 7 days, as of 15:24, 7 January 2007.`
`13:25.10`	`Adys`	`Show last 1 \| 2 \| 6 \| 12 hours 1 \| 3 \| 7 days all`
`13:25.10`	`Adys`	`Hide bot edits \| Hide my edits`
`13:25.22`	`Adys`	`Err sorry`
`13:25.24`	`Adys`	`Below are the last 826 changes in the last 7 days, as of 15:24, 7 January 2007.`
`13:25.24`	`Adys`	`Show last 1 \| 2 \| 6 \| 12 hours 1 \| 3 \| 7 days all`
`13:25.24`	`Adys`	`Hide bot edits \| Hide my edits`
`13:26.22`	`Hobinheim`	`he's eager... ^_^;`
`13:27.21`	`Adys`	`fixed the noinclude hob`
`13:27.25`	`Adys`	`learn to slash :P`
`13:27.45`	`Hobinheim`	`=(`
`13:28.09`	`Hobinheim`	`Apollozeus, maybe try a subst on your delele vote`
`13:28.19`	`Adys`	`No need :P`
`13:28.23`	`Adys`	`Just noinclude it`
`13:28.45`	`Hobinheim`	`no i meant on his vote`
`13:28.54`	`Hobinheim`	`it's showing a raw ~~~~`
`13:28.55`	`Adys`	`why?`
`13:29.00`	`Adys`	`oh`
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`13:29.40`	`Apollozeus`	`my signature is too complicated I guess`
`13:30.12`	`Hobinheim`	`lol`
`13:31.14`	`Apollozeus`	`there`
`13:31.16`	`Apollozeus`	`fixed it`
`13:31.27`	`Apollozeus`	`took a couple of edits but oh well`
`13:32.19`	`Apollozeus`	`you guys might wanna vote as well ;p`
`13:33.09`	`Hobinheim`	`i'm more stunned at how stupid this delete template is`
`13:35.18`	`Hobinheim`	`i see now...`
`13:35.40`	`Hobinheim`	`if your signature or comment body has an equal sign in is (as with advanced signatures), you need to use field names instead of just straight values`
`13:35.42`	`Hobinheim`	`then the template works`
`13:35.49`	`Hobinheim`	`stupid wiki limitations...`
`13:37.39`	`Apollozeus`	`you need to use field names instead of just straight values <-- something that starts with an %`
`13:37.40`	`Apollozeus`	`?`
`13:37.59`	`Hobinheim`	`no, something that has an equal sign in it`
`13:38.10`	`Hobinheim`	`like`
`13:38.24`	`Hobinheim`	`{{vote\|Delete\|sig=~~~~\|I hate cheese.}}`
`13:38.30`	`Hobinheim`	`instead of just \|~~~~\|`
`13:38.45`	`Apollozeus`	`then {{delete}} needs to be reworked`
`13:38.46`	`Hobinheim`	`if your signature has an equal sign somewhere in it (like HTML)`
`13:38.46`	`Apollozeus`	`err`
`13:38.50`	`Apollozeus`	`{{delete/talk}}`
`13:38.57`	`Hobinheim`	`bleh`
`13:39.46`	`Adys`	`http://adys.stools.net/watchlist.txt`
`13:39.52`	`Adys`	`Just, thumbs up =P`
`13:40.44`	`Hobinheim`	`that's what you get for autoing your watchlist, no?`
`13:40.49`	`Hobinheim`	`every edit becomes watched`
`13:40.50`	`Adys`	`yep`
`13:41.00`	`Hobinheim`	`i did away with that`
`13:41.05`	`Hobinheim`	`no way am i watching every artcle i touch`
`13:41.05`	`Adys`	`and as i said before, i cleared it multiple times`
`13:41.09`	`Hobinheim`	`LOL`
`13:41.15`	`Hobinheim`	`you know you can change that behavior?`
`13:41.20`	`Adys`	`yes hob`
`13:41.24`	`Hobinheim`	`watch only articles i edit or only articles i create?`
`13:41.24`	`Adys`	`im doing it on purpose =P`
`13:41.28`	`Hobinheim`	`=P`
`13:42.01`	`Adys`	`i find it awesome to know how people evolve the article I incompletly modified in the past`
`13:42.22`	`Hobinheim`	`yeah`
`13:42.23`	`Adys`	`most of these articles have been stubbed by me while i was doing the icon work`
`13:42.35`	`Adys`	`and i find it interesting to know if they will ever get corrected ;P`
`13:43.04`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Golden_Scale_Gauntlets&action=history`
`13:43.07`	`Adys`	`only 4 edits ever`
`13:43.26`	`Adys`	`actually`
`13:43.26`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Top_Piece_of_Lord_Valthalak%27s_Amulet`
`13:43.34`	`Adys`	`this is exactly the kind of article i was talking about`
`13:43.37`	`Adys`	`originally created`
`13:43.42`	`Adys`	`icon edited + stub`
`13:43.46`	`Adys`	`and thats it`
`13:43.54`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Top_Piece_of_Lord_Valthalak%27s_Amulet&action=history`
`13:44.01`	`Adys`	`no edits since 12th october 2007`
`13:45.00`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Journeyman%27s_stave LOL`
`13:45.11`	`Adys`	`Defias Rouge Wizards FTW`
`13:45.36`	`Adys`	`btw incorrect caps in title if someone can move`
`13:45.40`	`Adys`	`ill fix the icon quick`
`13:47.07`	`Hobinheim`	`moved`
`13:49.35`	`Adys`	`btw`
`13:49.44`	`Adys`	`I didnt get much feedback on http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Bp`
`13:49.47`	`Adys`	`and thanks hob`
`13:54.07`	`*** part/#wowwiki Sakabatou (n=Bladerev@sb-217-129-120-240.netvisao.pt)`
`13:56.14`	`Adys`	`is there a way to see multi-revision images?`
`13:59.00`	`Hobinheim`	`click on the revisions?`
`14:01.22`	`Adys`	`LOL`
`14:01.24`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Aval%27bane%2C_Destroyer_of_Guilds&direction=next&oldid=401939`
`14:01.50`	`Adys`	`hobinheim: no i want a list of images with multiple revisions`
`14:07.29`	`Hobinheim`	`lol that's a nice epic`
`14:11.13`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&hidebots=0&limit=500`
`14:11.20`	`Adys`	`hobinbot is doing a very good job`
`14:15.40`	`Hobinheim`	`thx`
`14:16.55`	`Adys`	`Apollozeus - you here?`
`14:17.21`	`Apollozeus`	`yes`
`14:17.38`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:INV_Misc_Rune_07.png where did you find the transparent one =P just to know`
`14:17.59`	`Adys`	`doh`
`14:18.02`	`Adys`	`forget that question`
`14:19.32`	`Apollozeus`	`allakhazam`
`14:19.37`	`Adys`	`aye saw that`
`14:19.42`	`Apollozeus`	`just google on INV_Misc_Rune_07`
`14:20.16`	`Adys`	`No no I know =P I was just wondering since tusva usually uploads his icons from either his own MPQs or allakhazam`
`14:20.25`	`Adys`	`but it must been updated in 2.0`
`14:21.13`	`Adys`	`btw apollo`
`14:21.23`	`Adys`	`when you upload new icons from BC, that have no JPG up`
`14:21.28`	`Adys`	`like http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:INV_Misc_Crop_02.png`
`14:21.36`	`Apollozeus`	`yes?`
`14:21.41`	`Adys`	`or, more generally, when you upload new icons and dont know what to do with them`
`14:21.45`	`Adys`	`categorize them as WoW Icons`
`14:21.50`	`Adys`	`Ill take care of them later on`
`14:21.52`	`Apollozeus`	`roger that`
`14:21.58`	`Adys`	`[[Category:WoW Icons]]`
`14:22.07`	`Adys`	`cheers :]`
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`14:36.02`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`See this is why SilverSide manages to piss me off sometimes, comments like "Oh damn. They already had their own non-standard template for this... redirected"`
`14:36.21`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`How dare we make our own templates!`
`14:36.38`	`Adys`	`infobot, give kirkburn a cookie`
`14:36.44`	`infobot`	`ACTION gives kirkburn a home-baked sugar cookie to cheer him up.`
`14:36.44`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`We must copy everything we do from other wikis, lest we be "non-standard"`
`14:36.55`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Thanks infobot`
`14:37.34`	`Adys`	`Varghedin is the official first member of the {{10000club}} =P`
`14:37.44`	`Hobinheim`	`ugh`
`14:37.47`	`Hobinheim`	`lol`
`14:37.49`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`He copied a massive number of articles from the mediawiki help pages afaik`
`14:38.05`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`If you've noticed, our help sections is completely messed up :/`
`14:38.31`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I say, if people want mediawiki help, visit the mediawiki site, not us!`
`14:41.32`	`*** join/#wowwiki Henron (n=henron@h144.119.40.69.ip.alltel.net)`
`14:42.00`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Shadowfury.jpg`
`14:42.04`	`Adys`	`GRAOOORRR`
`14:42.07`	`Adys`	`grrrr`
`14:42.34`	`Teomyr`	`hrhr`
`14:43.40`	`Hobinheim`	`o dpm`
`14:43.46`	`Hobinheim`	`i don't see anything?`
`14:43.52`	`Adys`	`deleted already`
`14:43.59`	`Adys`	`incorrectly named icon`
`14:44.02`	`Hobinheim`	`what was it`
`14:44.02`	`Adys`	`incorrect size`
`14:44.03`	`Hobinheim`	`oh`
`14:44.06`	`Adys`	`incorrect format`
`14:44.11`	`Adys`	`ARRGH`
`14:44.35`	`Apollozeus`	`<@Kirkburn\|afk> See this is why SilverSide manages to piss me off sometimes, comments like "Oh damn. They already had their own non-standard template for this... redirected"`
`14:44.38`	`Apollozeus`	`Irony wants`
`14:44.46`	`Apollozeus`	`he was the one who created [[Template:Spelling]]`
`14:45.21`	`Hobinheim`	`bot died...`
`14:45.32`	`Apollozeus`	`did you give him his last sacraments?`
`14:45.41`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Blackflight_Arrow.png`
`14:45.45`	`Adys`	`GRAOOORRR`
`14:45.55`	`*** join/#wowwiki kaso (n=kaso@host81-159-133-178.range81-159.btcentralplus.com)`
`14:45.59`	`Hobinheim`	`we're estimated at 8%`
`14:45.59`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:SnakeTrap.png`
`14:46.04`	`Adys`	`god ... :[`
`14:46.15`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:AspectViper.png THEY WANT ME DEAD!`
`14:46.19`	`Hobinheim`	`LOL`
`14:46.32`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Spell_Fire_TotemOfWrath.jpg sigh, jpg`
`14:46.47`	`Hobinheim`	`i wonder why the bot keeps shutting off...`
`14:47.08`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Too much at once?`
`14:47.44`	`Adys`	`how much do you pay him hob?`
`14:48.01`	`Adys`	`maybe he wants a bit more.. you know, new year, good intentions and stuff`
`14:48.06`	`Hobinheim`	`i think i have to nice him....`
`14:48.13`	`Hobinheim`	`how do you chain nice and nohup`
`14:50.38`	`Hobinheim`	`k it's back on`
`14:50.47`	`Hobinheim`	`i pay him in peanuts`
`14:50.49`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Vote! http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Point_of_interest#Deletion_vote`
`14:51.14`	`Hobinheim`	`notice that nooga's been making lots of micro edits to the server article`
`14:51.27`	`Hobinheim`	`i almost wanna be like MAKE LARGER EDITS`
`14:52.25`	`Hobinheim`	`zomg`
`14:52.27`	`Hobinheim`	`adys do you know the song`
`14:52.35`	`Adys`	`in mc-eeeh`
`14:52.36`	`Hobinheim`	`ces soirees-la`
`14:52.39`	`Adys`	`in mc-ee-ee-eeh`
`14:52.40`	`Adys`	`ah`
`14:52.41`	`Adys`	`yes`
`14:52.50`	`Hobinheim`	`is it popular? haha`
`14:52.53`	`Hobinheim`	`what's it about`
`14:52.57`	`Adys`	`very :P`
`14:53.05`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Hobinheim, the red border was a problem?`
`14:53.08`	`Hobinheim`	`i saw the jersey boys musical, and they talked about how that song was like... you know. theirs.`
`14:53.09`	`Adys`	`cette soir�e la..`
`14:53.11`	`Hobinheim`	`yeah kirk`
`14:53.17`	`Hobinheim`	`it made a click layer above the whole page`
`14:53.18`	`Adys`	`je dansais pour la premiere fois..`
`14:53.18`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`What browser?`
`14:53.21`	`Hobinheim`	`so i couldn't do anything`
`14:53.23`	`Hobinheim`	`ff2.0`
`14:53.28`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`It certainly shouldn't have :/`
`14:53.32`	`Hobinheim`	`the best solution would to be to css that`
`14:53.40`	`Hobinheim`	`which i know we don't really have access to`
`14:54.03`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I can't see why it would make a click layer ...`
`14:54.19`	`Hobinheim`	`neither do i, at first glance at least`
`14:54.27`	`Hobinheim`	`but the behavior reflected that sort of thing`
`14:54.37`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Shall check`
`14:54.46`	`Hobinheim`	`i dunno abs divs were always sketchy with me`
`14:55.00`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Wow, yeah breaks in FF`
`14:55.02`	`Hobinheim`	`i tried to do some fancy footwork with ui widgets and floating and... ehh it all went to pieces`
`14:55.18`	`Hobinheim`	`:itsamystery:`
`14:55.24`	`Hobinheim`	`lol that's a forum icon i go to`
`14:55.31`	`Hobinheim`	`it's a ghost that says oooOOOO it's a mystery`
`14:55.41`	`Adys`	`Hob`
`14:55.42`	`Adys`	`http://www.frmusique.ru/texts/f/francois_claude/cetteanneela.htm`
`14:55.55`	`dotted`	`how odd my signature aint working`
`14:56.39`	`Hobinheim`	`where's your signature`
`14:57.17`	`dotted`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Point_of_interest#Deletion_vote the template is there (i copied kirkbirn to look leet), but no signature is shown`
`14:57.56`	`Hobinheim`	`where's your actual signature`
`14:58.02`	`Hobinheim`	`are you using a custom one?`
`14:58.07`	`Adys`	`Kirkburn, you here?`
`14:58.19`	`dotted`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Dotted/Sig / http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Dotted/SigX`
`14:58.55`	`Henron`	`this wiki is my favorite wiki :0`
`14:58.57`	`Hobinheim`	`when you use the vote template, you have to say sig=~~~~ instead of ~~~~`
`14:59.00`	`Hobinheim`	`it's funky, i know`
`14:59.03`	`Hobinheim`	`but that's just the way it is`
`14:59.16`	`Hobinheim`	`it's cuz you got a "special" sig =P`
`14:59.18`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`That works?`
`14:59.23`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Shall have to remember that`
`14:59.32`	`Hobinheim`	`it's documented, albeit not obvious`
`14:59.42`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Ability_Mutilate.png ffs :\|`
`14:59.50`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Cannot understand the red border problem :/`
`15:00.06`	`Adys`	`Kirkburn\|afk: I was thinking of a template speedydelete like`
`15:00.10`	`Adys`	`but for images`
`15:00.20`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Why would it need to be different?`
`15:00.22`	`Adys`	`'An user has requested for an old revision of this image to be deleted'`
`15:00.38`	`Adys`	`nah only for old revisions`
`15:00.42`	`dotted`	`Hobinheim thx, working now`
`15:02.08`	`*** part/#wowwiki sylvanaar (n=sylvanaa@205-196-182-22.static.cmts1.phonoscope.net)`
`15:02.34`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Hob, see now: http://www.wowwiki.com/MediaWiki:Editingold`
`15:02.59`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Adys, there's no space problems, so that shouldn't be a problem`
`15:03.08`	`Adys`	`aight`
`15:03.14`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`:)`
`15:03.37`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Delete them as you wish, I like to, but I think it would be an unnecessary extra template`
`15:04.16`	`Adys`	`you like deleting everyone knows that =P`
`15:04.49`	`Adys`	`tho i must admit, deleting incorrectly named badly uploaded jpg icons is enjoyable ;)`
`15:06.04`	`Adys`	`Argh`
`15:06.05`	`Adys`	`http://wow.allakhazam.com/images/icons/Ability_Hunter_SnakeTrap.png`
`15:06.08`	`Adys`	`bah`
`15:06.29`	`Adys`	`only thottbot has the correct blp decrypting and they are in jpg`
`15:06.31`	`Teomyr`	`haha`
`15:06.55`	`Adys`	`blizzard's blps are different since 2.0`
`15:06.59`	`Adys`	`and some icons followed that`
`15:07.19`	`Adys`	`wowhead icons are totally unknown`
`15:07.26`	`Adys`	`i tried finding their root for a hour or so`
`15:07.59`	`Hobinheim`	`the wowi lounge blows so much. it's like talking to a voidwalker`
`15:08.21`	`Apollozeus`	`..finally free..`
`15:10.43`	`dotted`	`hmm am i allowed to save an unfinished template to work on it at a later point?`
`15:10.52`	`Hobinheim`	`sure`
`15:10.54`	`Adys`	`yeah`
`15:11.01`	`Adys`	`just precise it`
`15:11.07`	`Adys`	`so its not nominated for speedy or anything`
`15:11.14`	`dotted`	`aight`
`15:11.44`	`Adys`	`-> http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:WoW_Icons - im using Blizzard's idea to replace icons fucked up by the blp change :P`
`15:13.39`	`Hobinheim`	`what's the blp change?`
`15:13.54`	`Adys`	`wish i knew!`
`15:14.03`	`Hobinheim`	`like what're you talking about? =P`
`15:14.37`	`Adys`	`blizzard changed how some of their blps work`
`15:14.37`	`Adys`	`so if you convert them`
`15:14.37`	`Adys`	`it sometimes gives that: http://wow.allakhazam.com/images/icons/Ability_Hunter_SnakeTrap.png`
`15:14.46`	`Hobinheim`	`so the "BLP converter" is at fault`
`15:14.54`	`Adys`	`no`
`15:14.58`	`Adys`	`well yes`
`15:15.00`	`Adys`	`but no`
`15:15.02`	`Hobinheim`	`lol`
`15:15.03`	`Adys`	`in fact yeah`
`15:15.09`	`Hobinheim`	`well it has to be some sort of standard format`
`15:15.12`	`Adys`	`but technically its not exactly that`
`15:15.23`	`Hobinheim`	`have you tried extracting the BLP itself and seeing what file format it is?`
`15:15.29`	`Hobinheim`	`speaking of extracting files, how are you doing this?`
`15:16.02`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I notice SS has used his real name :O http://www.wowwiki.com/User:SilverSide`
`15:16.06`	`Adys`	`winmpq is the best file extractor imo, but it doesnt work with mpqs heavier than ~2gb`
`15:16.25`	`Adys`	`and its shite for compression`
`15:16.43`	`Hobinheim`	`he signed a WEIRD post on kiro's talk page under a different name LINKED to a MORE DIFFERENT name`
`15:16.45`	`Hobinheim`	`what the christ`
`15:16.46`	`Adys`	`mywarcraftstudio is always updated but isnt really good as in "easy to use"`
`15:17.13`	`Hobinheim`	`i had to leave a stern message on his talk apge`
`15:19.27`	`Adys`	`I do wonder something`
`15:19.33`	`Hobinheim`	`reporting in at 10%`
`15:19.34`	`Adys`	`in a page like... http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:AurasNavBarShaman`
`15:19.45`	`Hobinheim`	`i don't like that nav bar`
`15:19.47`	`Adys`	`when people see so many fucking pngs why do they have the idea to use jpg`
`15:19.52`	`Hobinheim`	`but i didn't have the heart to be like ARRGGGDELETE`
`15:20.06`	`Hobinheim`	`maybe make an icon policy`
`15:20.16`	`Hobinheim`	`and ask kirk to slap a guideline on the image upload page`
`15:20.35`	`Hobinheim`	`or HEAVILY SUGGESTED ICON GUIDELINE OR I'LL E-BEAT YOUR ASS WITH A [Ban Hammer]`
`15:20.47`	`Hobinheim`	`or the destroyer of worlds epic, hahaha`
`15:20.55`	`Adys`	`haha`
`15:21.04`	`Adys`	`this one is awesome hob tho =P`
`15:21.32`	`Adys`	`For kirkburn\|afk : http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Aval%27bane%2C_Destroyer_of_Guilds&oldid=401942`
`15:21.35`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Hobinheim, another?! :P`
`15:21.49`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`lol`
`15:21.54`	`Adys`	`I dont have the heart to delete this one`
`15:22.10`	`Adys`	`Cries when picked up ftw`
`15:22.11`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I'm callous :)`
`15:22.36`	`Adys`	`im tempted to just roll it back and put {{silly}}`
`15:23.10`	`Hobinheim`	`yeah`
`15:23.11`	`Hobinheim`	`do it`
`15:23.13`	`Hobinheim`	`i saved it`
`15:23.16`	`Hobinheim`	`keep it`
`15:23.18`	`Hobinheim`	`it's REALLY funny`
`15:23.33`	`Adys`	`too late it seems =P`
`15:23.44`	`Hobinheim`	`put it at the bottom of legendary items`
`15:25.11`	`Hobinheim`	`WOOO!!!`
`15:25.15`	`Hobinheim`	`got my stupid text frame to work`
`15:30.31`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Linux`
`15:31.14`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Endless_rage.jpg`
`15:31.15`	`Adys`	`GAAAHH`
`15:34.50`	`*** join/#wowwiki Adys8924 (n=Miranda@APoitiers-256-1-5-127.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`15:34.57`	`Adys8924`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Spammoonfire.jpg`
`15:35.00`	`Adys8924`	`whats the point ><`
`15:35.28`	`*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Adys] by ChanServ`
`15:36.07`	`Hobinheim`	`what do you think WTF folder stands for`
`15:36.14`	`Adys`	`lol`
`15:36.15`	`Hobinheim`	`i can't help but look at it as the WHAT THE FUCK?! folder`
`15:36.27`	`Hobinheim`	`like those interface engineers are really clever...`
`15:36.29`	`Teomyr`	`:D`
`15:36.42`	`equiraptor`	`WoW temporary files is the excuse I've heard most frequently.`
`15:36.52`	`Hobinheim`	`i feel like... at one point, right before a milestone build, someone decided to change the target directory for saved variables to /WTF`
`15:37.00`	`Teomyr`	`they're not temporary, wdb files are`
`15:37.00`	`Hobinheim`	`and then it just stuck`
`15:37.17`	`equiraptor`	`Teomyr: Then come up with something better. :-P`
`15:37.26`	`Teomyr`	`:D`
`15:39.58`	`Adys`	`Hobinheim : not far from truth`
`15:40.07`	`Adys`	`http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1815/uicharactercreateraces2vf8.png`
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`15:40.42`	`Adys`	`this image is in the mpqs since a while, and blizz cant "delete" files from mpqs without either replacing them with an empty file of the same name or recreating the mpq`
`15:40.50`	`Teomyr`	`haha`
`15:40.59`	`Teomyr`	`already seen that file :D`
`15:43.18`	`dotted`	`hmm any expert in wiki templates here?`
`15:43.50`	`Teomyr`	`btw... http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/2641/blpconverter/`
`15:44.03`	`Teomyr`	`seems to work with the new blp format`
`15:44.21`	`Teomyr`	`at least Ability_Hunter_SnakeTrap comes out right`
`15:44.58`	`Adys`	`awesome teo`
`15:49.31`	`*** part/#wowwiki Hobinheim (n=Hobinhei@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)`
`15:50.01`	`dotted`	`Adys are you good at templated and variables?`
`15:50.25`	`dotted`	`*templates`
`15:50.43`	`Adys`	`more or less`
`15:52.23`	`dotted`	`im making a template for guild progress (using the design from Argent Dawns guild progress page), but im not sure if thats possible to make the template the way i want it`
`15:53.53`	`dotted`	`just gonna save the page, then you can take alook at it if you want`
`15:54.40`	`Adys`	`sure`
`15:54.53`	`dotted`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Guild_Progress/Naxxramas`
`15:58.41`	`dotted`	`maybe you have to split the template up in 2, to make it work with horde and allaince?`
`16:10.48`	`Tekkub`	`øffe`
`16:11.18`	`dotted`	`affe`
`16:12.19`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Channel rules ... http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:IRC`
`16:12.24`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Okay, need more?`
`16:12.35`	`Tekkub`	`fuck you and your rules`
`16:12.55`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`cough Apollozeus cough picture? :P`
`16:13.22`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Why thank you, monkeybrains`
`16:13.32`	`Tekkub`	`link to pastey or something`
`16:13.36`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Good idea`
`16:13.45`	`Tekkub`	`and get rid of the mIRC logo`
`16:13.49`	`Tekkub`	`mIRC sucks`
`16:13.55`	`dotted`	`mirc is win :>`
`16:13.58`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`S'why I poked Apollozeus :P`
`16:14.17`	`Apollozeus`	`I'll see to it`
`16:14.20`	`Apollozeus`	`tonight perhaps`
`16:14.50`	`Tekkub`	`nIRC is like AOL for IRC.. if that makes sense`
`16:14.56`	`Tekkub`	`it's the Cosmos of IRC ^^`
`16:15.13`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`oi, you ^^`
`16:17.31`	`dotted`	`Tekkub mIRC is still win tho`
`16:18.03`	`dotted`	`Cosmos was win back in 2005`
`16:18.48`	`dotted`	`anyway Adys do you think it can be made like that?`
`16:18.50`	`*** topic/#wowwiki by Kirkburn\|afk -> Welcome to WoWWiki IRC! \| http://www.wowwiki.com \| Discuss all wiki issues and report vandalism here! \| Channel rules: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:IRC#Channel_rules \| Watch me please: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:RC \| Be Nice™`
`16:19.11`	`dotted`	`Be Nice™ <- no way`
`16:22.01`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`What's that command to dc and rc to a channel really quickly?`
`16:23.00`	`Apollozeus`	`/hop`
`16:23.51`	`Kirkburn`	`hrm, not doing anything`
`16:24.38`	`*** part/#wowwiki Apollozeus (n=neogeo-x@ip51cf1265.direct-adsl.nl)`
`16:24.38`	`*** join/#wowwiki Apollozeus (n=neogeo-x@ip51cf1265.direct-adsl.nl)`
`16:24.42`	`Apollozeus`	`it works for me`
`16:24.46`	`Kirkburn`	`Did you get a welcome msg?`
`16:24.50`	`Apollozeus`	`yes`
`16:24.55`	`Kirkburn`	`:)`
`16:24.56`	`Apollozeus`	`-ChanServ- [#wowwiki] Welcome to the WoWWiki IRC channel! Channel rules: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:IRC#Channel_rules`
`16:25.13`	`Apollozeus`	`one thing though`
`16:25.21`	`Apollozeus`	`it might be a little overdone to welcome users twice`
`16:25.25`	`Apollozeus`	`* Topic is 'Welcome to WoWWiki IRC! \| http://www.wowwiki.com`
`16:25.29`	`Apollozeus`	`-ChanServ- [#wowwiki] Welcome to the WoWWiki IRC channel!`
`16:25.30`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah, gonna change it`
`16:25.47`	`*** topic/#wowwiki by Kirkburn -> Welcome to WoWWiki IRC! \| http://www/cs help.wowwiki.com \| Discuss all wiki issues and report vandalism here! \| Channel rules: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:IRC#Channel_rules \| Watch me please: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:RC \| Be Nice™`
`16:25.51`	`Kirkburn`	`argh`
`16:26.06`	`Apollozeus`	`rofl`
`16:26.08`	`Apollozeus`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Point_of_interest`
`16:26.11`	`Apollozeus`	`it's already pending closure`
`16:26.40`	`*** topic/#wowwiki by Kirkburn -> Discuss all wiki issues and report vandalism here! \| http://www.wowwiki.com \| Channel rules: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:IRC#Channel_rules \| Watch me: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:RC \| Be Nice™`
`16:26.56`	`Kirkburn`	`lol`
`16:27.36`	`Apollozeus`	`:x`
`16:27.38`	`Apollozeus`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Articles_for_speedy_deletion`
`16:28.10`	`Kirkburn`	`bleh :P`
`16:33.08`	`Apollozeus`	`so we'll be able to see it when someone is added to the staff D:`
`16:34.03`	`Kirkburn`	`You're not a channel operator :`
`16:34.04`	`Kirkburn`	`:P`
`16:34.54`	`Kirkburn`	`Wow, the channel is 4 weeks 3 days (23h 6m 44s) old`
`16:35.08`	`Kirkburn`	`I've just been setting lots of the options for the channel :)`
`16:46.33`	`djspark`	`freenode is nice, you can even have the network put bots in it for you`
`16:46.43`	`djspark`	`there's tons of options for managing a chan her`
`16:46.43`	`djspark`	`e`
`16:48.17`	`Kirkburn`	`djspark, note infobot :P`
`16:48.40`	`Kirkburn`	`And agreed, it's a great place :)`
`16:50.37`	`*** join/#wowwiki Murloc (n=Murloc@84.55.210.161)`
`16:51.06`	`Murloc`	`hi ppl`
`16:51.28`	`Murloc`	`what are you speakin' about?`
`16:51.36`	`Murloc`	`nothing I see`
`16:52.04`	`Murloc`	`bye bye`
`16:53.11`	`Apollozeus`	`patience is a virtue`
`16:53.12`	`Apollozeus`	`:)`
`16:53.23`	`Apollozeus`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Raider_Man <-- XD`
`16:58.52`	`Kirkburn`	`lol`
`16:59.04`	`Kirkburn`	`@ Murloc and you :)`
`16:59.15`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm trying to fix the crazy Help menu atm`
`17:01.31`	`djspark`	`anyone get any rumors about the dark portal startup scenario?`
`17:09.44`	`*** join/#wowwiki Coren (n=chatzill@dslb-088-064-191-020.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
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`17:13.19`	`Kirkburn`	`djspark, nope`
`17:13.30`	`Coren[de]`	`Hi...`
`17:13.35`	`Kirkburn`	`Coren[de], hello`
`17:14.28`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`vlad_ you here?`
`17:15.23`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Infobot, lost OP?`
`17:15.33`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`poor infobot :<`
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`17:25.38`	`Castdead`	`hey guys`
`17:25.52`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`hi`
`17:25.53`	`*** mode/#wowwiki [+o infobot] by ChanServ`
`17:26.37`	`Castdead`	`and got any, trade skill system for wowwiki allready in mind?`
`17:26.52`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`not yet`
`17:27.00`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but that's not our premiere worry atmm, I suppose`
`17:27.33`	`Kirkburn`	`Much better :D http://www.wowwiki.com/Help:Contents`
`17:27.51`	`Kirkburn`	`Stop giving infobot OP :P`
`17:28.30`	`Kirkburn`	`You can give infobot Voice, yes, but OP, no`
`17:29.38`	`Coren[de]`	`as this channel is more about the wiki and I'm looking for some answers wrt development... anyone have a pointer for an irc channel about the latter one? :)`
`17:30.04`	`Castdead`	`wowi-lounge`
`17:30.45`	`*** join/#wowwiki kaso (n=kaso@host81-159-133-178.range81-159.btcentralplus.com)`
`17:30.51`	`Coren[de]`	`thanks Castdead :)`
`17:33.42`	`Kirkburn`	`Just added that info to the http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:IRC page earlier :)`
`17:45.22`	`dotted`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Guild_Progress/Naxxramas can this be done you think?`
`17:48.26`	`dotted`	`guys?`
`17:49.14`	`Tekkub`	`alternating row color look nice, but they're a bitch to maintain`
`17:49.53`	`Tekkub`	`and I'd just make the headers templates, not the whole thing`
`17:50.02`	`Tekkub`	`cause people need to add the middle data...`
`17:50.17`	`Tekkub`	`would be easy if we could do a proper CSS pokes vlad_ `
`17:51.16`	`dotted`	`hmm`
`17:52.07`	`Tekkub`	`and isn't the order on saph/kel backwards`
`17:52.27`	`dotted`	`what about seperating the horde and allaince guild - can this be done in one page or do you need to have seperated pages for this?`
`17:52.46`	`dotted`	`Tekkub it goes from bottom to the top`
`17:52.57`	`Tekkub`	`well... hrm...`
`17:53.12`	`Tekkub`	`{{Naxx Prog`
`17:53.19`	`Tekkub`	`\|ally= .....`
`17:53.22`	`Tekkub`	`\|horde= ...`
`17:53.27`	`Tekkub`	`insert rows there`
`17:53.33`	`Tekkub`	`could prolly be done`
`17:53.44`	`Tekkub`	`bottom to top is bad`
`17:54.00`	`Tekkub`	`people expect first at top`
`17:54.00`	`dotted`	`yeah probably`
`17:54.20`	`dotted`	`true`
`17:54.54`	`Tekkub`	`I like it, just drop the alternating row colors cause I hate trying to update those when you add/remove a row`
`17:55.22`	`Tekkub`	`what's the current layout lok like...`
`17:56.01`	`Tekkub`	`aw hell, let me drop it in http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Icecrown`
`17:56.06`	`Tekkub`	`and we can toy with it`
`17:56.15`	`dotted`	`:)`
`17:56.30`	`dotted`	`ill move to the rows to the talk page for now`
`17:56.45`	`Kirkburn`	`A thought, I think I may just get rid of a large amount of the help category`
`17:57.48`	`Kirkburn`	`Most of it should just redirect to the meta wiki pages`
`18:03.01`	`*** join/#wowwiki WoWWikiBaggins (n=WoWWikiB@adsl-69-225-0-102.dsl.skt2ca.pacbell.net)`
`18:03.19`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`hey kirkburn could you move "pandaren brewmaster" to "brewmaster"?`
`18:03.30`	`dotted`	`Tekkub done, im just not sure on how to make the variables`
`18:03.39`	`Tekkub`	`ya`
`18:03.42`	`Tekkub`	`gimme a min`
`18:04.41`	`dotted`	`and the Guild links needs a fix too, if that can be done`
`18:07.20`	`Kirkburn`	`WoWWikiBaggins, (eh?), you could have done it yourself, I think`
`18:07.34`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`I don't have ability to move things to pages arleady taken up`
`18:07.47`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`it just gives me an error`
`18:08.07`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`Source and destination titles are the same; can't move a page over itself.`
`18:08.31`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`thanks for moving it htough`
`18:10.07`	`Apollozeus`	`hey :D`
`18:10.12`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`hi`
`18:10.25`	`Apollozeus`	`thanks for the cooperation in cleaning out Category:Silly`
`18:11.35`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`no prob`
`18:11.43`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`glad everyone decided on my suggestion :)`
`18:12.21`	`Apollozeus`	`it was the only sensible suggestion`
`18:12.42`	`Apollozeus`	`otherwise half the articles at wowwiki should be plastered with {{silly}}`
`18:12.46`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`true, otherwise anything could be seen as silly if someone thought it was too crazy.`
`18:12.47`	`Apollozeus`	`since blizzard kinda likes making references`
`18:13.15`	`Apollozeus`	`I mean, blizzard wasn't the first to think of orcs`
`18:13.21`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`ya`
`18:13.23`	`Apollozeus`	`so that would also be a reference`
`18:13.32`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`heh heh`
`18:13.34`	`Apollozeus`	`and eligible for {{silly}}`
`18:13.39`	`Apollozeus`	`which is ridiculous of course`
`18:14.02`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`OMG!`
`18:14.06`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`LOL ya`
`18:14.13`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`goes off to put {{silly}} in orcs`
`18:14.20`	`Apollozeus`	`try and die`
`18:14.22`	`Apollozeus`	`:p`
`18:14.23`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`^^`
`18:14.31`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nahg dinner first ^^`
`18:14.55`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`lol`
`18:15.18`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`especially since silly now says "not part of lore" Lol`
`18:15.53`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`orcs don't exist... sure...`
`18:16.12`	`dotted`	`they are just an illusion`
`18:16.38`	`Tekkub`	`does it have to be seperated by faction?`
`18:16.40`	`Tekkub`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Icecrown`
`18:16.44`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`ya, everytime one kills me its because I committed sepuka`
`18:16.45`	`Tekkub`	`I like the mismatch`
`18:17.00`	`Apollozeus`	`WoWWikiBaggins, it could be a troll in disguise`
`18:17.01`	`Apollozeus`	`;)`
`18:17.02`	`Tekkub`	`and we can use background color`
`18:17.08`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`LOL`
`18:17.14`	`Apollozeus`	`why would extreme makeover not take place in Azeroth?`
`18:17.23`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`they have those orbs`
`18:17.41`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`orcs are really Dreanei`
`18:17.42`	`Tekkub`	`for that matter, fuck the seperation by faction and sort by number taken down`
`18:18.29`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`For the amount of hatred that orcs have for draenei`
`18:18.33`	`Apollozeus`	`Archimonde is actually a gnome`
`18:18.38`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`why do do they call their former world Draenor?`
`18:18.59`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`It must be because they are actually the true draenei`
`18:19.34`	`dotted`	`Tekkub yeah the�t would probably be better`
`18:19.45`	`Tekkub`	`okey I'm doing it then :)`
`18:20.33`	`Apollozeus`	`WoWWikiBaggins, by the rules of darwin (if they apply in the warcraft universe) orcs and draenei are probably related`
`18:20.43`	`dotted`	`<3`
`18:20.54`	`Apollozeus`	`both bipedal, able to speak languages, intelligent`
`18:20.55`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`lol`
`18:21.02`	`Apollozeus`	`etc. too many similarities`
`18:21.04`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`all races probably "near-human"`
`18:21.08`	`Apollozeus`	`probably evolved from the same species`
`18:21.11`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`as long as they can procreate`
`18:21.34`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`humans and orcs must be distantly related`
`18:21.42`	`Apollozeus`	`WoWWikiBaggins, hard to tell`
`18:21.52`	`Apollozeus`	`Draenor and Azeroth are different planets`
`18:22.19`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`In darwin evolution the chances of two planets evolving creatures that could procreate would be astronomical`
`18:22.49`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`thus why there is "progenator theory" in scifi`
`18:22.54`	`Apollozeus`	`I know, but warcraft lore is particularly cloudy when it comes to the origin of orcs :/`
`18:23.11`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`I'd like to know how human Azotha really were`
`18:23.29`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`yet that race is so mysterious`
`18:23.37`	`Apollozeus`	`we can only hope for blizzard to expand their caverns of time idea`
`18:23.43`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`heh heh`
`18:23.45`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`ya`
`18:23.46`	`Apollozeus`	`and include more scenarios from the past`
`18:23.49`	`Kirkburn`	`WoWWikiBaggins, someone else has the name Baggins on freenode? :(`
`18:23.51`	`Apollozeus`	`with Earthen and stuff`
`18:23.54`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`yes`
`18:23.58`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`before me`
`18:24.14`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`I've just only been able to log onto it at times`
`18:24.33`	`Apollozeus`	`-NickServ- Nickname: baggins`
`18:24.33`	`Apollozeus`	`-`
`18:24.33`	`Apollozeus`	`-NickServ- Registered: 3 years 17 weeks 1 day (9h 3m 5s) ago`
`18:24.37`	`Apollozeus`	`it's an old one :x`
`18:24.39`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`I suppose I could use ZippoBaggins LOL`
`18:24.45`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`its pretty gnomish`
`18:24.53`	`Apollozeus`	`Use something like WWBaggins`
`18:25.06`	`Apollozeus`	`'WoWWikiBaggins' is not exactly eye candy :p`
`18:25.16`	`Apollozeus`	`or Baggins[WW]`
`18:25.23`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`alright`
`18:25.28`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`what'st he command?`
`18:25.31`	`WoWWikiBaggins`	`to switch`
`18:25.35`	`dotted`	`/nick`
`18:25.50`	`Baggins[WW]`	`alright that's better`
`18:26.37`	`Apollozeus`	`a lot :p`
`18:27.00`	`Baggins[WW]`	`I think that cavern's of time should lead off to old continent of kalimdor pre sundering ;)`
`18:27.12`	`Baggins[WW]`	`finally see the lands in the middle`
`18:27.28`	`Baggins[WW]`	`*'Sunken Kalimdor"`
`18:27.47`	`Tekkub`	`dotted, http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Icecrown#Naxxramas_Progression`
`18:28.02`	`Apollozeus`	`Baggins[WW], little use`
`18:28.09`	`Apollozeus`	`that's kinda like the Emerald Dream`
`18:28.23`	`Apollozeus`	`they might as well introduce that instead :p`
`18:29.04`	`Baggins[WW]`	`that is already ingame in form`
`18:29.07`	`Baggins[WW]`	`some form`
`18:29.10`	`Baggins[WW]`	`probably be used first`
`18:29.53`	`Apollozeus`	`I know`
`18:30.03`	`Apollozeus`	`it's one of the things I'm most eagerly anticipating`
`18:30.14`	`Baggins[WW]`	`The question will it be its own world, or a battleground`
`18:30.20`	`Baggins[WW]`	`or a raid`
`18:30.30`	`Apollozeus`	`I pray for its own expansion pack`
`18:30.31`	`Apollozeus`	`:D`
`18:30.32`	`dotted`	`Tekkub nice, but you might wanna remove the numbers to the right or add # Bosses to the template`
`18:30.33`	`Baggins[WW]`	`ya`
`18:30.37`	`Apollozeus`	`successor to TBC`
`18:30.46`	`Apollozeus`	`I'd like to see more beautiful zones`
`18:30.47`	`Tekkub`	`yea you can tweak that how you want`
`18:30.50`	`Tekkub`	`I'm done :)`
`18:30.52`	`Apollozeus`	`not stuff as blasted as the outlands`
`18:31.00`	`Baggins[WW]`	`the only problem is by lore if you went around killing the innocents there you should be booted from the world.`
`18:31.22`	`Baggins[WW]`	`So there shouldn't be quests to kill 10 elephants for example`
`18:31.34`	`Baggins[WW]`	`unless its to kill corrupted elephants for the dragons`
`18:31.34`	`Apollozeus`	`Baggins[WW]; The Nightmare`
`18:31.42`	`Apollozeus`	`yeah, kinda like that`
`18:31.48`	`dotted`	`aight will do`
`18:31.50`	`Baggins[WW]`	`killing a dragon should be a no no, unless its corrupted`
`18:32.05`	`Apollozeus`	`there will be corrupted stuff in the Emerald Dream`
`18:32.19`	`Apollozeus`	`otherwise there'd be little point in adding the zone`
`18:32.46`	`Baggins[WW]`	`If they ask you to boot some "travelers" ouit of the dream that's fine`
`18:33.00`	`Baggins[WW]`	`travelers are those that enter the dream through their dreams.`
`18:33.25`	`Baggins[WW]`	`travelers can influence the dream physically somewhat.`
`18:34.58`	`Apollozeus`	`only bad travelers though`
`18:35.04`	`Kirkburn`	`If no-one has used Baggins for a long time, you can request to use it`
`18:35.04`	`Baggins[WW]`	`Of course`
`18:35.05`	`Apollozeus`	`like, sleeping defias :p`
`18:35.24`	`Baggins[WW]`	`ya I need to get around to that, probably have to do it through mirc as xchat is bugging on me`
`18:35.32`	`Apollozeus`	`Kirkburn, it has been registered for more than three years`
`18:35.34`	`Baggins[WW]`	`commands aren't all working`
`18:35.46`	`Apollozeus`	`unlikely it's going to be dropped anytime soon`
`18:35.48`	`Kirkburn`	`But is the person still using it?`
`18:36.02`	`Apollozeus`	`-NickServ- Nickname: baggins`
`18:36.02`	`Apollozeus`	`-`
`18:36.02`	`Apollozeus`	`-NickServ- Registered: 3 years 17 weeks 1 day (9h 3m 5s) ago`
`18:36.02`	`Apollozeus`	`-`
`18:36.02`	`Apollozeus`	`-NickServ- Last Seen: 1 week 4 days (19h 35m 4s) ago (baggito seen 6 days (18h 4m 30s) ago)`
`18:36.06`	`Apollozeus`	`/ns info Baggins`
`18:36.17`	`Kirkburn`	`Ah, he's def still around`
`18:36.30`	`Kirkburn`	`=(`
`18:37.17`	`Baggins[WW]`	`One of these days I should upload a pick of my ingame character, Baggins LOL`
`18:37.20`	`Baggins[WW]`	`*pic`
`18:37.29`	`Baggins[WW]`	`the gnome mage`
`18:37.40`	`Apollozeus`	`lol, the hobbits definetely inspired you :p`
`18:37.54`	`Baggins[WW]`	`heh heh`
`18:38.02`	`dotted`	`recieved an email from year 2051`
`18:38.07`	`Baggins[WW]`	`but its abstract baggins, its neither frodo or bilbo`
`18:38.18`	`Baggins[WW]`	`LOL`
`18:38.29`	`Baggins[WW]`	`I've told people in game its Zippo Baggins`
`18:38.50`	`Apollozeus`	`dotted, some other guy claimed he got an idea from the year 2028 today`
`18:38.53`	`Baggins[WW]`	`I have the [The 1 Ring] though heh heh`
`18:39.03`	`Apollozeus`	`lol`
`18:39.06`	`Apollozeus`	`fished that yourself?`
`18:39.10`	`Baggins[WW]`	`yep`
`18:39.14`	`Baggins[WW]`	`wasn't trying`
`18:39.14`	`Apollozeus`	`good thing`
`18:39.33`	`Apollozeus`	`I can't see why people would like to spend 100g for just something like that :p`
`18:39.43`	`Baggins[WW]`	`ya sure LOL`
`18:40.23`	`Baggins[WW]`	`I have "Grueslayer" saved for a draenei character`
`18:40.32`	`*** join/#wowwiki Murloc (n=Murloc@84.55.210.161)`
`18:40.52`	`Baggins[WW]`	`of course I'll never have to worry about being eaten by a grue`
`18:41.02`	`Baggins[WW]`	`there are no pitch black areas in WoW LOL`
`18:41.29`	`Apollozeus`	`lol`
`18:41.31`	`Apollozeus`	`Transportation`
`18:41.31`	`Apollozeus`	`Shattrath is a city of portals. There are portals to each of the eight major hub cities in Azeroth � Thunder Bluff, Orgrimmar, Undercity, Silvermoon City, Stormwind, Ironforge, the Exodar and Darnassus.[7]`
`18:41.34`	`Apollozeus`	`is this true?`
`18:41.43`	`Baggins[WW]`	`hmm`
`18:41.44`	`Teomyr`	`yes`
`18:41.49`	`Baggins[WW]`	`interesting`
`18:42.02`	`Apollozeus`	`raiding a capital should become easy then :s`
`18:42.06`	`Baggins[WW]`	`If only we could take the portals into opposing factions ;)`
`18:42.10`	`Teomyr`	`though only 1-way, there are no portals back`
`18:42.23`	`Apollozeus`	`oh, you can't?`
`18:42.25`	`Teomyr`	`and there's a faction restriction, yes`
`18:42.28`	`Baggins[WW]`	`mages can get a portal to shattrath i think`
`18:42.30`	`Apollozeus`	`damn :p`
`18:42.31`	`Kirkburn`	`As Teomyr says :)`
`18:42.35`	`dotted`	`Apollozeus http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spamfromthefuturedf3.png`
`18:42.44`	`Apollozeus`	`what about the orb of translocation?`
`18:42.47`	`Apollozeus`	`in undercity`
`18:42.57`	`Teomyr`	`didn't see it`
`18:43.13`	`Teomyr`	`you mean this teleporting guy?`
`18:43.23`	`Apollozeus`	`he hasn't been replaced yet?`
`18:43.24`	`Apollozeus`	`o.O`
`18:43.43`	`Apollozeus`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Orb_of_Translocation`
`18:44.25`	`Teomyr`	`cool`
`18:44.25`	`Teomyr`	`i should visit undercity more often`
`18:44.33`	`Apollozeus`	`undercity is the worst capital :/`
`18:44.35`	`Baggins[WW]`	`You know I hear people complaining that htere is no reason to go back to Exodar or Silvermoon after you leave those cities. But at least in Quel'Thalas there will be the Sunwell Plateugh and Zul'Aman as high level zones`
`18:44.38`	`Teomyr`	`i went there on the ptr, but there only was a npc offering teleports. never seen him again afterwards`
`18:44.50`	`Apollozeus`	`baggins, those areas are hard to reach`
`18:44.59`	`Apollozeus`	`you can't just take a gryphon / windrider`
`18:45.08`	`Apollozeus`	`you actually need to go the plaguelands`
`18:45.12`	`Apollozeus`	`enter through the portal`
`18:45.16`	`Baggins[WW]`	`yes`
`18:45.18`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Apollozeus`
`18:45.26`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`you cna get there from UC with ez`
`18:45.26`	`Baggins[WW]`	`I hope at some point they remove it off the instance, and allow a flight path there`
`18:45.39`	`Baggins[WW]`	`because alliance will have to go there at some point`
`18:45.43`	`Apollozeus`	`o.O`
`18:45.46`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`well, the instance is there to prevent non BC users to get in`
`18:45.46`	`Baggins[WW]`	`once those later zones are added there`
`18:45.50`	`dotted`	`Tekkub hmm i dont think having the color switching between red and blue depending on faction looks that good when the header is grey`
`18:45.55`	`Apollozeus`	`what's alliance's business in silvermoon?`
`18:46.15`	`Baggins[WW]`	`well more than likely after BC has been out long enough it'll probably be sold along with the original for free`
`18:46.17`	`Baggins[WW]`	`or be required`
`18:46.27`	`Apollozeus`	`<Baggins[WW]> I hope at some point they remove it off the instance, and allow a flight path there <-- there is no seemless transition between the plaguelands and ghostlands, geographically speaking`
`18:46.29`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nah, doubt it`
`18:46.39`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`there is Apollozeus`
`18:46.39`	`Baggins[WW]`	`not not yes`
`18:46.55`	`Baggins[WW]`	`you can currently swim behind quel'thalas`
`18:47.00`	`Baggins[WW]`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:47.17`	`Baggins[WW]`	`but in time they could remove that old area, and insert the new quel'thalas`
`18:47.29`	`Apollozeus`	`I doubt they'd do that...somehow`
`18:47.33`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Either way, if they implement a FP it will be more than likely to be like a Zep`
`18:47.39`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`with a loading screen`
`18:47.40`	`Baggins[WW]`	`or they could do it like the boat`
`18:47.50`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`pwned you to it Baggins[WW]`
`18:48.02`	`Baggins[WW]`	`the boat to azuremyst isles`
`18:48.15`	`Baggins[WW]`	`if you don't have expansion you just die LOL`
`18:48.17`	`Zeal`	`lo all`
`18:48.17`	`Baggins[WW]`	`out at sea`
`18:48.23`	`Apollozeus`	`baggins, same story there, really`
`18:48.31`	`Apollozeus`	`no flightpaths from exodar to kalimdor`
`18:48.42`	`Baggins[WW]`	`boath path`
`18:49.04`	`Apollozeus`	`I'm not a beta player, but isn't that also in its own instance?`
`18:49.26`	`Baggins[WW]`	`yes it is`
`18:49.31`	`Baggins[WW]`	`a boat goes to it`
`18:49.41`	`Baggins[WW]`	`you can see the boat in 2.01`
`18:49.48`	`Apollozeus`	`I know, I've been on it :p`
`18:50.01`	`Apollozeus`	`only to be standing at the graveyard in darkshore a few moments later`
`18:50.09`	`Baggins[WW]`	`however it'll take you to the instance barrier and then you die of fatique and get ported back to nearest graveyard`
`18:50.19`	`Baggins[WW]`	`dead or alive?`
`18:50.22`	`dotted`	`alive`
`18:50.23`	`Apollozeus`	`alive`
`18:50.26`	`dotted`	`y6ou wont die`
`18:50.28`	`Baggins[WW]`	`oh that's good`
`18:50.28`	`dotted`	`-6`
`18:50.32`	`Baggins[WW]`	`must have been glitched in earlier versions`
`18:50.37`	`Apollozeus`	`just a notice "you don't have tbc you can't go there blabla"`
`18:50.50`	`Baggins[WW]`	`Hmm you know you can blink past the barriers?`
`18:50.59`	`Baggins[WW]`	`I k now you can't blink on boats`
`18:51.06`	`Baggins[WW]`	`but if you could I wonder LOL`
`18:51.14`	`Baggins[WW]`	`does the boat jsut vanish?`
`18:51.31`	`Baggins[WW]`	`or does it have its own path on that side`
`18:51.35`	`Apollozeus`	`yeah, stand on the docks of Auberdine`
`18:51.49`	`Apollozeus`	`you'll notice the boat appearing out of nowhere`
`18:51.57`	`Baggins[WW]`	`heh`
`18:52.43`	`Baggins[WW]`	`I haven't tried it, but I wonder what happens if you swim along the shore of Quel'thalas south and head twoards the edge of the map.`
`18:52.54`	`Baggins[WW]`	`if it just goes to nothing, that looks poor...`
`18:53.01`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`where?`
`18:53.04`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`BC?`
`18:53.05`	`Baggins[WW]`	`inside the instance`
`18:53.06`	`Baggins[WW]`	`yes`
`18:53.07`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`ah`
`18:53.11`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`haven't tried it yet`
`18:53.18`	`Baggins[WW]`	`I know you can blink past the instance`
`18:53.21`	`Apollozeus`	`you won't get to the plaguelands, definetely`
`18:53.23`	`Baggins[WW]`	`on that side`
`18:53.26`	`Baggins[WW]`	`and see parts of plaguelands`
`18:53.35`	`Baggins[WW]`	`the two could be merged at some point`
`18:53.42`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`perhaps`
`18:53.48`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but don't hope for it`
`18:54.22`	`Baggins[WW]`	`shame they just didn't do it like they did with ZF`
`18:54.29`	`Apollozeus`	`how do you prevent non-tbc'ers from entering?`
`18:54.37`	`Baggins[WW]`	`make the whole boundaary around Quel'Tharas an instance`
`18:54.44`	`Baggins[WW]`	`and make it non-blinkable`
`18:54.51`	`dotted`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Icecrown#Naxxramas_Progression vs. http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2513/icecrownnaxxqv5.png`
`18:55.10`	`Baggins[WW]`	`but to those with the expansion you just walk through the barrier`
`18:55.26`	`Baggins[WW]`	`as if it wasn't there`
`18:55.49`	`Baggins[WW]`	`they could also use "invisible walls" like they have around hyjal`
`18:56.36`	`Apollozeus`	`problem is`
`18:56.48`	`Apollozeus`	`blizzard is working on like 10 different things for wow at the same time`
`18:56.53`	`Apollozeus`	`probably even more`
`18:56.58`	`Apollozeus`	`so they chose the easy way out :/`
`18:57.03`	`Baggins[WW]`	`:p`
`18:57.27`	`Baggins[WW]`	`well if expansion 2 coms out and expansion 1 becomes mandatory`
`18:57.36`	`Baggins[WW]`	`then that would be the best time to implement it`
`18:57.40`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`All I can tell you is to post ideas to fix it in the suggestions forum...`
`18:57.56`	`Apollozeus`	`Patrigan-Syldra, blizzard is aware of this`
`18:57.57`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`in a year, noone bothers with the instanced thingy anymore`
`18:58.19`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but not necessarily ofthe possible solutions`
`18:58.27`	`Apollozeus`	`that instanced thingy will make places like Ironforge even more crowded`
`18:58.29`	`Baggins[WW]`	`in a year there will probably be duel-packs that have both games together`
`18:58.30`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and you guys seem to have a few solutions`
`18:58.34`	`Apollozeus`	`since everybody is going to be lazy`
`18:59.00`	`Baggins[WW]`	`wait until they "Instance" IF LOL`
`18:59.04`	`Apollozeus`	`XD`
`18:59.10`	`Apollozeus`	`speaking of instancing IF`
`18:59.13`	`dotted`	`they should just have put no mans land-debuff on those who walk into the starting areas without expansion`
`18:59.24`	`Apollozeus`	`I was thinking of this`
`18:59.30`	`Baggins[WW]`	`no-mans land?`
`18:59.31`	`Apollozeus`	`instancing old IF`
`18:59.31`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`dotted, that might actually be a great idea`
`18:59.37`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Baggins[WW]`
`18:59.38`	`Apollozeus`	`putting a few mobs there`
`18:59.39`	`Teomyr`	`yes... fatigue`
`18:59.42`	`Apollozeus`	`there... new instance`
`18:59.43`	`Baggins[WW]`	`oh great`
`18:59.46`	`Baggins[WW]`	`that's a great idea`
`18:59.49`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`no not fatigue`
`18:59.57`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`No-mans land`
`19:00.00`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`was a debuff`
`19:00.07`	`Teomyr`	`rly?`
`19:00.14`	`Baggins[WW]`	`how did it work?`
`19:00.15`	`Apollozeus`	`no-mans land?`
`19:00.16`	`Apollozeus`	`:s`
`19:00.19`	`Baggins[WW]`	`ya`
`19:00.20`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`that you would get as soon as you entered Shadowmoon valley or Blade's edge`
`19:00.30`	`Baggins[WW]`	`port you in a few seconds?`
`19:00.35`	`dotted`	`yeah`
`19:00.39`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and it would teleport you after 5-10 seconds back to the previous place`
`19:00.41`	`Baggins[WW]`	`still a great idea`
`19:00.44`	`Apollozeus`	`ah`
`19:00.47`	`Apollozeus`	`I remember that`
`19:00.54`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`it would be a genious solution to the problem`
`19:00.56`	`Apollozeus`	`they did that in Zelda: Ocarina of Time`
`19:00.59`	`Baggins[WW]`	`fatique or no'man's land would be great`
`19:01.04`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`as soon as you got into the zone`
`19:01.17`	`Baggins[WW]`	`in zelda?`
`19:01.21`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`zelda? oO`
`19:01.21`	`Apollozeus`	`yes`
`19:01.22`	`Kirkburn`	`Lol, compare: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Haunted_Isle&curid=39136&diff=409619&oldid=197858`
`19:01.33`	`Apollozeus`	`in a desert, you had to talk a certain path`
`19:01.45`	`Apollozeus`	`if you didn't do so, you'd see a big sandstorm in the screen`
`19:01.46`	`Baggins[WW]`	`oh ya I remember that`
`19:01.54`	`Apollozeus`	`and you'd find yourself back at the gate`
`19:01.55`	`Baggins[WW]`	`you get to the edge and a sandstorm would billow up`
`19:02.00`	`Apollozeus`	`bingo`
`19:02.07`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`yeah`
`19:02.11`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but...`
`19:02.18`	`Baggins[WW]`	`I've been meaning to use gameshark to explore those regions :p`
`19:02.21`	`Apollozeus`	`rofl`
`19:02.21`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`no sandstorms in Ghostlands XD`
`19:02.30`	`Apollozeus`	`"This is an island with lots of Naga on it. The island is north of the [[Vile Reef]] and the monsters there are between levels 38-45."`
`19:02.47`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`well, many sub-zones have such a text`
`19:02.50`	`Baggins[WW]`	`spawn nasty level 70 blood elves that push you back ;)`
`19:02.55`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`they don't have without a reason the "stub" flag`
`19:03.01`	`Baggins[WW]`	`like those things in shattrath`
`19:03.01`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`lol Baggins[WW]XD`
`19:03.12`	`Baggins[WW]`	`that keep you from boing to the side you aren't allied with`
`19:03.21`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nah, I think the no-mans land debuff is best`
`19:03.30`	`Baggins[WW]`	`I agree`
`19:03.32`	`Apollozeus`	`no, no elite blood elves`
`19:03.39`	`Apollozeus`	`why would elite blood elves butcher fellow hordies?`
`19:03.47`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`XD`
`19:04.03`	`dotted`	`because they want steak`
`19:04.04`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Well, i'll see if I can pass on that no-lands debuff to one of my friends`
`19:04.09`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`you guys try posting it on the forums`
`19:04.10`	`dotted`	`hint taur4on *hint`
`19:04.15`	`dotted`	`-4`
`19:04.16`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and lol dotted ^^`
`19:04.23`	`Baggins[WW]`	`guys in shattrath don't btucher you though`
`19:04.28`	`Baggins[WW]`	`they just port you`
`19:04.40`	`Baggins[WW]`	`but no'mand's land is good`
`19:05.36`	`Apollozeus`	`yeah, but we were talking about the plaguelands :p`
`19:05.44`	`Baggins[WW]`	`really they should rmeove fatique form the game, switch it for no'mand's land. no one wants to die of fatique :p`
`19:05.49`	`Apollozeus`	`I wonder what patch 2.1 holds for us`
`19:05.51`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_Trading_Card_Game_card_set`
`19:05.56`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`get it gone some admin!`
`19:06.05`	`dotted`	`possible side effect tho is that blizz might be inspired to use it on hyjal, dancing troll village etc so we cant get there anymore - but i guess we can live without that :P`
`19:06.25`	`Baggins[WW]`	`I don't see the reason why they keep us out of their :p`
`19:06.36`	`Baggins[WW]`	`you can't exploit dancing trolls anymore`
`19:06.44`	`Baggins[WW]`	`they should just open a path to it`
`19:06.49`	`dotted`	`everything is reachable :)`
`19:07.02`	`Baggins[WW]`	`I love going to the airport`
`19:07.09`	`dotted`	`in true nogg-aholic spirit, may it rest in peace :(`
`19:07.17`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`well`
`19:07.21`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`they can't do what you say`
`19:07.28`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`or perhaps not without major changes`
`19:07.31`	`Baggins[WW]`	`I mean I understand blocking off unfinished raid zones`
`19:07.39`	`Baggins[WW]`	`and exploitable areas`
`19:07.41`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`the no-man zone debuff`
`19:07.50`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`works only on the zone name`
`19:07.51`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`afaik`
`19:07.58`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`atm, they don't have a specific zone`
`19:08.03`	`Baggins[WW]`	`ahh`
`19:08.03`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`except for maybe Hyjal`
`19:08.07`	`dotted`	`Hyjal as a zone`
`19:08.17`	`Kirkburn`	`Patrigan-Syldra, redirect it`
`19:08.22`	`dotted`	`dancing troll vilage is darkshore`
`19:08.29`	`Apollozeus`	`that's correct`
`19:08.31`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`could do that yeah`
`19:08.32`	`Baggins[WW]`	`no man's zone in darkshore whee`
`19:08.56`	`Baggins[WW]`	`Hyjal should be turned into a new level 70 leveling zone imo.`
`19:09.00`	`dotted`	`thay could change it to work with sub-zones and make a sub-zone for dancing troll`
`19:09.03`	`Baggins[WW]`	`put a horde outpost there`
`19:09.06`	`Baggins[WW]`	`and alliance`
`19:09.29`	`dotted`	`im looking forward to present hyjal raid zone`
`19:09.41`	`Apollozeus`	`who knows if it's going to be a raid zone?`
`19:09.47`	`Baggins[WW]`	`worst part of blocking places like that is there are neat things to see that you can't ossibly see from a flying mount`
`19:09.54`	`dotted`	`Apollozeus becuase there is a green portal entrance`
`19:09.55`	`Baggins[WW]`	`*possibly`
`19:10.03`	`Apollozeus`	`still dotted`
`19:10.10`	`Apollozeus`	`the old hyjal was already a raid instance`
`19:10.20`	`Baggins[WW]`	`ya but it may have been replaced with cavern's fo time concept`
`19:10.27`	`Apollozeus`	`would be too much of the same thing to have the new hyjal as a raid instance as well`
`19:10.37`	`dotted`	`hmm`
`19:11.00`	`Baggins[WW]`	`Plus there is an instance within an instance in hyjal LOL`
`19:11.06`	`Baggins[WW]`	`another onyxia style cave`
`19:11.17`	`Apollozeus`	`actually, I wonder if Hyjal is ever going to be opened`
`19:11.32`	`Apollozeus`	`their original idea for hyjal was reworked into the CoT hyjal 25 man zone`
`19:11.33`	`Baggins[WW]`	`ya, they may ave just forgotten about it :p`
`19:11.38`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`it will be Apollozeus`
`19:11.39`	`dotted`	`well pressent day hyjal would be an attacking kind of raid, while the CoT hyjal is a defending type od raid unless im, mistaking - but yeah might be the same`
`19:11.47`	`Apollozeus`	`Patrigan-Syldra, we can't be sure`
`19:12.01`	`Baggins[WW]`	`the thing is lore wise people still live on Hyjal`
`19:12.03`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`If I were you I wouldn't doubt Blizzard that much`
`19:12.13`	`Apollozeus`	`a certain tribe of trolls lives there`
`19:12.19`	`dotted`	`Baggins[WW] that coukld be Deathwing`
`19:12.21`	`Apollozeus`	`that could be a key to something`
`19:12.22`	`Baggins[WW]`	`night elves`
`19:12.22`	`dotted`	`'s instance`
`19:12.30`	`Baggins[WW]`	`night elves, wildhammer, dark trolls`
`19:12.31`	`Baggins[WW]`	`etc`
`19:12.32`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Furbolgs aswell, mind you`
`19:12.37`	`Baggins[WW]`	`and furbolgs`
`19:12.47`	`Baggins[WW]`	`an entrance to timbermaw is there`
`19:12.51`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and don't worry, blizzard has those tribes written down too ^^`
`19:13.29`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`as a matter of fact`
`19:13.52`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`You can get there from both Timbermaw Hold in winterspring(/felwood) and timbermaw Hold in Azshara`
`19:14.45`	`Apollozeus`	`still no guarantee for it to be opened..`
`19:14.48`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`pffft`
`19:15.10`	`Apollozeus`	`wow has run fine with it for 2.5 years`
`19:15.18`	`Apollozeus`	`we don't desperately need hyjal`
`19:15.22`	`dotted`	`Apollozeus maybe not as an instance, but i'd be quite surprised if it wont be opened in som form`
`19:15.34`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`you also don't have a guarantee for Emerald Dream to ever be open,ed`
`19:15.40`	`Apollozeus`	`that is true`
`19:16.13`	`dotted`	`Patrigan-Syldra i think the next expansion is gonna be ED tbh`
`19:16.16`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I know Dotted`
`19:16.26`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but still`
`19:16.31`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nothing is guaranteed`
`19:16.35`	`dotted`	`besides it would be alot of work wasted if it wont be`
`19:16.37`	`Apollozeus`	`<dotted> Apollozeus maybe not as an instance, but i'd be quite surprised if it wont be opened in som form <-- we'll need to see.. I doubt blizzard would open this with the intension of this becoming "just another zone"`
`19:16.47`	`Apollozeus`	`dotted, blizzard does that`
`19:16.57`	`Apollozeus`	`warcraft adventures, may I remind you`
`19:17.02`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`XD`
`19:17.06`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`yeah`
`19:17.10`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`it needs to be up to standard`
`19:17.12`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`however`
`19:17.39`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`It wouldn't surprise me Hyjal will be opened someday`
`19:17.45`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`perhaps even sooner than you might think`
`19:17.48`	`Apollozeus`	`perhaps`
`19:18.02`	`Apollozeus`	`but I think we need some new lore`
`19:18.17`	`Apollozeus`	`there's nothing on hyjal post-archimonde`
`19:18.36`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`there's his body`
`19:18.43`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`the rebuilding of the tree`
`19:18.51`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`well not exactly rebuilding`
`19:18.57`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but afaik, the tree got pretty tainted`
`19:19.23`	`Apollozeus`	`nordrassil has no more use`
`19:19.32`	`Apollozeus`	`it's all about teldrassil now :p`
`19:19.46`	`dotted`	`which is just as useless :p`
`19:19.55`	`Apollozeus`	`even more useless`
`19:19.58`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`XD`
`19:20.04`	`Apollozeus`	`teldrassil won't be livable much longer`
`19:20.27`	`Apollozeus`	`sooner than they may think, the night elves could become the next exiled race`
`19:20.30`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`remember`
`19:20.40`	`Apollozeus`	`but that' going to be post-WoW`
`19:20.41`	`Apollozeus`	`that's`
`19:20.42`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Nordrassil got blessed by Dragons`
`19:20.53`	`Apollozeus`	`that is what I was referring to`
`19:21.01`	`Apollozeus`	`teldrassil wasn't - it's getting corrupted`
`19:21.55`	`*** join/#wowwiki Bagginsww (n=Valiento@adsl-69-225-0-102.dsl.skt2ca.pacbell.net)`
`19:22.03`	`Bagginsww`	`dwarves I meant`
`19:22.17`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`dwarves?`
`19:22.23`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`where did you come from? oO`
`19:22.24`	`Bagginsww`	`wildhammer dwarves`
`19:22.31`	`Bagginsww`	`I got kicked`
`19:22.33`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`we haven't been discussing that for a while now :p`
`19:22.45`	`Apollozeus`	`what about them?`
`19:22.54`	`Bagginsww`	`wildhammer dwarves live on mount hyjal.`
`19:23.03`	`Apollozeus`	`hmm..`
`19:23.16`	`Bagginsww`	`after the third war those that were part of the Alliance moved there`
`19:23.31`	`Bagginsww`	`by permission of the night elves`
`19:23.38`	`Apollozeus`	`so we need an independent horde faction to move there too..`
`19:23.47`	`Bagginsww`	`and they should`
`19:23.52`	`Bagginsww`	`remmeber they had a village there`
`19:23.57`	`Bagginsww`	`in the final battle heh heh`
`19:24.00`	`Apollozeus`	`or a new zone with an independent horde faction to go with the opening of hyjal`
`19:24.00`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`well`
`19:24.13`	`Bagginsww`	`granted it was the first to be hit :`
`19:24.19`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`atm, they don't have an opposing clan of the wildhammer anymore`
`19:24.29`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`the initial idea was to put the trolls opposing to them`
`19:24.38`	`Bagginsww`	`add the dark trolls LOL`
`19:24.41`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but their appearance on Hyjal was hard to work in...`
`19:24.47`	`Bagginsww`	`which may be atype of jungle troll anyways`
`19:25.04`	`Apollozeus`	`the dark trolls hostile to the alliance?`
`19:25.05`	`Apollozeus`	`:s`
`19:25.12`	`Apollozeus`	`what has the alliance done to them?`
`19:25.19`	`Bagginsww`	`they were hostile to everyone`
`19:25.23`	`Bagginsww`	`as creeps`
`19:25.30`	`Apollozeus`	`then why would they join the horde?`
`19:25.30`	`Bagginsww`	`not counting the mercenary camps`
`19:25.41`	`Bagginsww`	`because of troll connection`
`19:25.58`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`that's doable`
`19:25.58`	`Bagginsww`	`all trolls are supposed to go to Zandali every 6 years for a summit anyways`
`19:26.00`	`Apollozeus`	`that comparison isn't valid`
`19:26.05`	`Apollozeus`	`all trolls are different factions`
`19:26.13`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`well`
`19:26.15`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`either way`
`19:26.15`	`Bagginsww`	`they are all part of the same faction "technically"`
`19:26.21`	`dotted`	`A group of dark trolls were also enlisted by the night elves in the battle of Mount Hyjal. These trolls belong to the Shadowtooth Clan and have the units Dark Troll, Dark Troll Shadow Priest, Dark Troll Trapper, Dark Troll Berserker, Dark Troll High Priest and Dark Troll Warlord.`
`19:26.26`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`the initial idea of the Revantusk has been swiped from the table ^^`
`19:26.37`	`Bagginsww`	`that quote you just mentined...`
`19:26.42`	`Bagginsww`	`that's the mercenary camp`
`19:26.54`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`well Bagginsww`
`19:26.55`	`Bagginsww`	`someone went out their way to explaint he mercenary camp LOL`
`19:26.55`	`Apollozeus`	`hmm..`
`19:27.01`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`it's hard to suddenly align them horde`
`19:27.03`	`Apollozeus`	`mercenaries hired by the horde?`
`19:27.09`	`Bagginsww`	`and that final mission was horde, alliance and night elves.`
`19:27.11`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nah afaik`
`19:27.26`	`Bagginsww`	`you could build units from all 3`
`19:27.27`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`the shadowtooth will become a neutral camp`
`19:28.00`	`Bagginsww`	`the final mission of warcraft 3 was kind of like a mix campaign`
`19:28.01`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`which seems the most logical with their lore`
`19:28.08`	`Apollozeus`	`hmm :s is hyjal big enough to support an alliance camp, a horde camp AND a neutral camp?`
`19:28.14`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`lyeah`
`19:28.14`	`Bagginsww`	`it brought the horde, alliance and night elves together`
`19:28.19`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`moe than`
`19:28.21`	`Bagginsww`	`Its huge`
`19:28.22`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`more than*`
`19:28.35`	`Bagginsww`	`its as as barrens I think`
`19:28.40`	`Apollozeus`	`hmm`
`19:28.43`	`Apollozeus`	`lemme look it up`
`19:28.53`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nah more ashenvale curled up`
`19:29.01`	`Bagginsww`	`maybe`
`19:29.11`	`dotted`	`Bagginsww yeah something like that, maybe a little smaller but deffo huge`
`19:29.23`	`dotted`	`Patrigan-Syldra bigger than ashenvale imo`
`19:29.25`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`room enough`
`19:29.25`	`Bagginsww`	`and its circular instead of square`
`19:29.34`	`Apollozeus`	`http://www.worldofwar.net/cartography/worldmap/kalimdorcont.jpg`
`19:29.37`	`Apollozeus`	`the barrens are bigger`
`19:30.02`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Apollozeus`
`19:30.11`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`notice the dark spot below the Hyjal on that map`
`19:30.23`	`Apollozeus`	`even with that spot`
`19:30.35`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`with that spot`
`19:30.42`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`there'll be enopugh room for 3`
`19:30.50`	`Bagginsww`	`dark spot is a blasted crater`
`19:30.51`	`Apollozeus`	`crowded zone :p`
`19:30.58`	`Apollozeus`	`unles...`
`19:31.06`	`Apollozeus`	`they're going for a multi-layered hyjal`
`19:31.09`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`dd Bagginsww`
`19:31.09`	`Apollozeus`	`with caves and stuff`
`19:31.14`	`Bagginsww`	`believe me the place is huge and it is multi layered`
`19:31.23`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Wildhammers live in miountain layers`
`19:31.32`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Timbermaws will eb there aswell`
`19:31.38`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`as a neutral faction ^^`
`19:31.39`	`Bagginsww`	`they live ont he edge of the mountain.`
`19:31.45`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Bagginsww`
`19:31.48`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I'd rather say`
`19:31.52`	`Apollozeus`	`ok, I buy that`
`19:31.52`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`IN the edge of the mountain`
`19:32.05`	`Bagginsww`	`wildhammers arne't exactly in the mountains`
`19:32.08`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`look at the 2 timbermaw Holds`
`19:32.11`	`Bagginsww`	`they like to have their buildings built above ground`
`19:32.18`	`Bagginsww`	`exposed to the sun`
`19:32.24`	`Bagginsww`	`they are hill dwarves`
`19:32.26`	`Bagginsww`	`not mountain dwarves`
`19:32.35`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Wildhammers are Hill Dwarves`
`19:32.56`	`Bagginsww`	`wildhammers are hill dwarves, unilike ironforge dwarevs who are mountain dwarves`
`19:33.21`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`true, you got me there yes`
`19:33.24`	`Bagginsww`	`even when wildhammer lived near Ironforge they usually lived outside of it`
`19:33.33`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`though, that does not mean that a part of their home can be inside the mountain`
`19:33.42`	`Bagginsww`	`sure some of it could be`
`19:33.48`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`myuch like Aerie Peak has parts within the mountain`
`19:33.54`	`Bagginsww`	`orgrim batol for that matter`
`19:34.03`	`Bagginsww`	`its just majority of hte race likes living outside`
`19:34.15`	`Apollozeus`	`well duh :p`
`19:34.25`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Besides`
`19:34.29`	`Apollozeus`	`in caves it's cold ;p`
`19:34.32`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`XD`
`19:34.47`	`Bagginsww`	`speaking of wildhammer, I mentioned it before I think but someone removed alot of the material on relations of wildhammer and high elves, in the high elves article`
`19:35.10`	`Apollozeus`	`add it back? :p`
`19:35.20`	`dotted`	`edir wars ftw`
`19:35.20`	`Bagginsww`	`probalby see something along the lines of those stonepike barracks building style`
`19:35.29`	`dotted`	`*Edit`
`19:35.31`	`Bagginsww`	`that is close to their standard house`
`19:35.48`	`Bagginsww`	`ya it should be added back`
`19:36.00`	`Bagginsww`	`I'm just wanting an admin to be involved`
`19:36.28`	`Bagginsww`	`ask for citations don't remove nfo :p`
`19:37.21`	`Bagginsww`	`which proposal?`
`19:37.35`	`Zeal`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Zeal/Proposals/Format`
`19:38.02`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/List_of_Hyjal_NPCs`
`19:38.07`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`this should be fixed`
`19:38.13`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`it redirects to the instance`
`19:38.20`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and that shouldn't be doen`
`19:38.44`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Zeal`
`19:38.48`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`1 thing that bothered me`
`19:39.03`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`it's HeroEs of Azeroth and not Heros of azeroth`
`19:39.31`	`Zeal`	`lol as i said, i wasn't at home`
`19:40.10`	`Zeal`	`i was typing while i have 4 16 year olds playing games around me, talking to me, installing drivers and updates on a reformatted pc and falling asleep`
`19:40.12`	`Apollozeus`	`Patrigan-Syldra`
`19:40.16`	`Apollozeus`	`it's fine the way it is`
`19:40.20`	`Zeal`	`*had`
`19:40.35`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Apollozeus what is?`
`19:40.35`	`Apollozeus`	`as I typed out when I moved that; "List of Hyjal NPCs moved to List of Battle of Mount Hyjal NPCs: the actual Hyjal zone is closed, and therefore doesn't contain NPCs. This article refers to the Battle of Mount Hyjal instance instead"`
`19:40.44`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`grmmmbl >.>`
`19:40.47`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`it's not the same`
`19:40.57`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and thus, the link should not exist on the original Hyjal page!`
`19:40.57`	`Apollozeus`	`there's no need for such an article for a closed zone`
`19:41.09`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`btw`
`19:41.17`	`Zeal`	`well that battle of mount hyjal page is a mess period`
`19:41.21`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`weren't they planning a BG in CoT?`
`19:41.28`	`Apollozeus`	`were`
`19:41.30`	`*** join/#wowwiki amro (n=amro@82.101.184.235)`
`19:41.46`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I can't find information anywher eon the wiki`
`19:41.52`	`Zeal`	`but once again that's my proposal rining alarm bells and whistles in my head.`
`19:41.56`	`Apollozeus`	`hmm, it used to be there though`
`19:42.12`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Blizzard has also discussed a battleground set in the past, but it currently does not appear in beta and is unlikely to surface for the initial release of The Burning Crusade.`
`19:42.15`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`all it says`
`19:42.18`	`Zeal`	`they were Patrigan-Syldra, but there has been no mention of it since they first said`
`19:42.26`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`oh nvm >.>`
`19:42.33`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`seen it now ><`
`19:42.40`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`a whole part of the page is taken up by it -_-`
`19:42.40`	`Bagginsww`	`They canciled and blocked out one of the instances too right?`
`19:42.43`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I fail...`
`19:42.48`	`Zeal`	`was supposed to be hellfire peninsula BG iirc`
`19:42.53`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Bagginsww`
`19:42.57`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`don't worry`
`19:43.06`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Blizzard has an easy deal to expand the Current Caverns`
`19:43.12`	`Zeal`	`indeed`
`19:43.14`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`which is most probably also on the list`
`19:43.25`	`Zeal`	`there is unused portals still in there anyways`
`19:43.30`	`Bagginsww`	`ya I wonder how they plan to add even more portals in future`
`19:43.34`	`Bagginsww`	`if they need them`
`19:44.04`	`Apollozeus`	`they stated the CoT is "one of their favourite areas"`
`19:44.17`	`Bagginsww`	`that's good to know`
`19:44.20`	`Apollozeus`	`and that the concept is "pretty expandable"`
`19:44.26`	`Apollozeus`	`so, that's a good start`
`19:44.27`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Bagginsww`
`19:44.32`	`Adys`	`got ideas for it ><`
`19:44.34`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`just a carve a hole in the wall? oO`
`19:44.39`	`Bagginsww`	`lol`
`19:44.40`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`take away the ship or something`
`19:44.41`	`Adys`	`wtb AQ in CoT`
`19:44.44`	`Apollozeus`	`war of the ancients ftw`
`19:44.58`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`plenty of ways to expand it`
`19:44.59`	`Apollozeus`	`the great sundering`
`19:45.02`	`Bagginsww`	`that's too good to be just a raid`
`19:45.03`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and allow it to spiral down`
`19:45.13`	`Bagginsww`	`war of the ancients should be a new world`
`19:45.18`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`possibilities enough :p`
`19:45.24`	`Apollozeus`	`Bagginsww, no`
`19:45.26`	`Bagginsww`	`a new world with many raids`
`19:45.28`	`Apollozeus`	`that would make wow too messy`
`19:45.38`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Apollozeus`
`19:45.42`	`Bagginsww`	`it could be its own expansion`
`19:46.00`	`Bagginsww`	`we discuss it in the expansion idea page`
`19:46.06`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`small detail`
`19:46.16`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`remember that Blizzard has added Dark portalks`
`19:46.19`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`with purpose`
`19:46.26`	`Bagginsww`	`dark portals to othe rworlds`
`19:46.27`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`so that WoW is expandable forbever`
`19:46.35`	`Adys`	`reminds me`
`19:46.40`	`Apollozeus`	`draenor was already in other warcraft games`
`19:46.46`	`Bagginsww`	`other worlds that could be either raids or expansion worlds`
`19:47.01`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Argus`
`19:47.06`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`first on the list btw :p`
`19:47.08`	`Adys`	`there was a dark portal at the bottom of the sea in azshara during the alphas`
`19:47.13`	`Bagginsww`	`Old draenor would be cool if they showed areas not visited in the current game.`
`19:47.19`	`Adys`	`and they were placeholder for future instances`
`19:47.29`	`Bagginsww`	`however current outland is not much different than old draenor LOL`
`19:47.52`	`Bagginsww`	`just a few more floating rocks, and no oceans`
`19:47.53`	`Apollozeus`	`well, 3/4 of the planet has been destroyed :p`
`19:47.58`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Apollozeus`
`19:48.01`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`you don't know that`
`19:48.07`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`many have been destroyed by the legion`
`19:48.17`	`Tekkub`	`and they can slip in a rock with a portal any time they want`
`19:48.19`	`Apollozeus`	`I don't know what?`
`19:48.21`	`Bagginsww`	`well the draenor we know of`
`19:48.36`	`Bagginsww`	`has pretty much been restructured into outland continent`
`19:48.45`	`Bagginsww`	`near same shape`
`19:48.56`	`Apollozeus`	`that's true, but planets are round`
`19:48.57`	`Bagginsww`	`some areas like netherstorm are worse off`
`19:49.31`	`Bagginsww`	`if we saw an old draenor expansion there would be only slight differences between outland and the draenor continent`
`19:49.52`	`Bagginsww`	`however they could have the old location where netherstorm currently exists.`
`19:49.57`	`Apollozeus`	`old draenor expansion sounds very unlikely to me`
`19:50.04`	`Bagginsww`	`I think so`
`19:50.06`	`Bagginsww`	`too`
`19:50.10`	`Apollozeus`	`that would only have very loose ties to Azeroth`
`19:50.12`	`Bagginsww`	`because there isn't a big enough difference`
`19:50.28`	`Zeal`	`hm.. Bagginsww, you brokeded the Half-Elf page : /`
`19:51.05`	`Bagginsww`	`how so?`
`19:51.13`	`Zeal`	`i take that back`
`19:51.18`	`Bagginsww`	`weremagnus?`
`19:51.22`	`Zeal`	`Kirkburn\|afk did a a few days ago..`
`19:51.30`	`Bagginsww`	`what happened?`
`19:52.06`	`Zeal`	`no i take that back again`
`19:52.09`	`Zeal`	`you were right, lol`
`19:52.23`	`Bagginsww`	`I'm confused`
`19:52.36`	`Zeal`	`weremagnus broke it, it's overflowing and scrolling`
`19:52.43`	`Bagginsww`	`LOL`
`19:53.04`	`Bagginsww`	`pandaren x-press seems broken too`
`19:53.16`	`Bagginsww`	`and wisps april fools`
`19:53.25`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`brb, card match`
`19:54.19`	`Apollozeus`	`that's because of people copying and pasting html`
`19:54.53`	`Zeal`	`fixed it`
`19:55.13`	`Zeal`	`was jsut {{fact}} wrapping`
`19:55.21`	`Bagginsww`	`oh`
`19:55.23`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`rawr`
`19:56.10`	`Bagginsww`	`must find sustenance`
`19:58.34`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Zeal, i've been adding the margins??`
`19:59.09`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Perhaps in about 1 or 2 cases, but I would prefer finger-pointing was left out of this`
`19:59.30`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I was not the main person who started them, for one`
`20:00.03`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`You've already blamed several people wrongly today, so don't`
`20:02.43`	`*** join/#wowwiki alp_ (n=alp@85.103.55.222)`
`20:04.10`	`Zeal`	`rofl`
`20:04.27`	`Zeal`	`well all the ones i looked at at the time of writting were you`
`20:04.31`	`Zeal`	`and it was meant light heartidly`
`20:06.18`	`Zeal`	`beleive i said most anyways, but sorry if i didn't`
`20:06.48`	`Zeal`	`i didn't ;x`
`20:08.14`	`Zeal`	`there we go`
`20:09.00`	`*** join/#wowwiki Hobinheim (n=Hobinhei@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)`
`20:09.01`	`Bagginsww`	`there is sitll somethign wrong with that pandaren xpress article. osme of the tesxt is squished to the right :p`
`20:09.19`	`Hobinheim`	`paging not an admin`
`20:09.51`	`Bagginsww`	`and there a huge blank areas`
`20:09.53`	`Zeal`	`i've got other issues, otherwise i'd fix it`
`20:10.18`	`Bagginsww`	`well I can fix xome of it by uploaiding pictures`
`20:10.20`	`Hobinheim`	`could someone who's not an admin visit a protected page`
`20:11.08`	`Bagginsww`	`I suppose`
`20:11.21`	`Bagginsww`	`what do you need?`
`20:11.35`	`Hobinheim`	`i'm looking for distinguishing marks on the page that tell you it's been protected`
`20:11.48`	`Adys`	`the top`
`20:11.53`	`Bagginsww`	`I need a page`
`20:11.53`	`Adys`	`instead of edit this page`
`20:11.55`	`Adys`	`you get view source`
`20:12.05`	`Hobinheim`	`how is it spelled`
`20:12.06`	`Adys`	`main page baggins :p`
`20:12.08`	`Hobinheim`	`"view source"?`
`20:12.13`	`Adys`	`think so`
`20:12.15`	`Bagginsww`	`I see a view source`
`20:12.19`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Hobinheim, why?`
`20:12.25`	`Apollozeus`	`Image:Pandxpress3.jpg <-- silliest picture ever`
`20:12.25`	`Apollozeus`	`XD`
`20:12.34`	`Bagginsww`	`agrees`
`20:12.37`	`Hobinheim`	`i found the cause of hobinbot's hiccup's`
`20:12.38`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Link, don't copy the name of the file you silly people :P`
`20:12.47`	`Hobinheim`	`trying to edit pages that it doesn't have access to causes the script to stop running`
`20:12.52`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Hobinheim, aha, I see`
`20:13.00`	`Hobinheim`	`i only noticed that it stopped at the exact same article as last night`
`20:14.23`	`Zeal`	`hehe`
`20:14.28`	`Zeal`	`slight oversite there :P`
`20:15.41`	`Hobinheim`	`btw the bot is reporting an estimated 7% infestation of h1`
`20:15.48`	`Hobinheim`	`that's down from 20% where we started`
`20:16.04`	`Apollozeus`	`:)`
`20:16.28`	`Hobinheim`	`infobot, dance`
`20:16.30`	`infobot`	`ACTION <("<) <('_')> (>")> Dance Kirby Dance!`
`20:16.33`	`Apollozeus`	`one out of 5 to one out of 14`
`20:18.38`	`Hobinheim`	`heh it's still scanning articles, current estimation, 0%`
`20:20.11`	`Hobinheim`	`k it's running again, 2%`
`20:20.37`	`Hobinheim`	`sigh... so happy it works`
`20:21.26`	`Apollozeus`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Cosmos_Portal&action=history`
`20:21.31`	`Apollozeus`	`why is that protected?`
`20:21.44`	`Hobinheim`	`1. probably because yoshi said so`
`20:21.53`	`Hobinheim`	`2. why did i do it, to just leave it the way it was before i touched it`
`20:23.11`	`Apollozeus`	`I understand reason 2`
`20:23.21`	`Bagginsww`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaren_Xpress better but still has a space that needs to be removed`
`20:23.25`	`Apollozeus`	`but.. reason 1 is not the best there is`
`20:23.40`	`Hobinheim`	`lol yeah`
`20:23.49`	`Apollozeus`	`Bagginsww, it should be entirely reworded`
`20:23.56`	`Apollozeus`	`it is a copyandpaste from some blizzard page`
`20:24.15`	`Bagginsww`	`I'll let someone else paraphrase it :p`
`20:24.23`	`Apollozeus`	`works too`
`20:24.26`	`Bagginsww`	`I just wanted to remove the eyesore`
`20:24.55`	`Bagginsww`	`page was ugly`
`20:25.05`	`Apollozeus`	`I see :D it's a lot better`
`20:25.10`	`Hobinheim`	`i left a comment on my bot's talk page =D`
`20:25.12`	`Apollozeus`	`but I think we can strip the entire table`
`20:25.46`	`Hobinheim`	`adys should be happy, the bot isn't doing as much as it was before`
`20:25.50`	`Hobinheim`	`not clogging up his rc/wl`
`20:25.57`	`Adys`	`yes i am ><`
`20:26.04`	`Bagginsww`	`ok so the table was ripped form the website eh?`
`20:26.26`	`Apollozeus`	`no, it wasn't`
`20:26.31`	`Apollozeus`	`the table is in wiki form`
`20:26.57`	`Apollozeus`	`he shaped it after the one on the wow website though`
`20:26.59`	`Bagginsww`	`ok removed the table looks better`
`20:27.20`	`Bagginsww`	`only thing it really needs is indents`
`20:27.30`	`Bagginsww`	`to point out its quoting`
`20:28.00`	`Adys`	`http://adys.stools.net/watchlist.txt`
`20:28.07`	`Adys`	`thats just insane`
`20:28.10`	`Bagginsww`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Wisp_(April_Fool's) that one is fugly too`
`20:28.31`	`Hobinheim`	`you know what else is fugly`
`20:29.02`	`Apollozeus`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/images/0/05/Wisps-ss1-thumb.jpg`
`20:29.04`	`Apollozeus`	`hahaha`
`20:29.16`	`Hobinheim`	`what can i say, hobinbot is a productive member of the community`
`20:29.33`	`Bagginsww`	`LOL`
`20:29.38`	`Hobinheim`	`i was momentarily thrilled to see that wisps had classes, before i realized they were the same as night elves`
`20:29.39`	`Adys`	`how many edits does he have now?`
`20:29.45`	`Adys`	`and whats funny in this pic? :P`
`20:29.48`	`Hobinheim`	`like what a dumb ending to an epic battle`
`20:30.01`	`Adys`	`wisps are kewl`
`20:30.04`	`Hobinheim`	`wisps winning is like saying bubble lead or top spin kills doctor wily`
`20:30.06`	`Hobinheim`	`know what i mean`
`20:30.23`	`Hobinheim`	`KEFKA IS WEAK AGAINST RUNIC LOLZ`
`20:30.27`	`Bagginsww`	`lol`
`20:30.29`	`Hobinheim`	`or POKEY'S WEAKNESS IS PRAY`
`20:30.35`	`Hobinheim`	`(which, sadly, is true)`
`20:31.17`	`Bagginsww`	`I think the section of the orgre article about april fool's joke needs to be moved, or merged if an article aready exists.`
`20:31.28`	`Adys`	`noes :(`
`20:31.39`	`Bagginsww`	`so we can sillify it`
`20:31.52`	`Bagginsww`	`and then just link a "sea also" into it`
`20:31.56`	`Bagginsww`	`*from ogre`
`20:32.13`	`*** join/#wowwiki amro_ (n=amro@82.101.184.235)`
`20:32.18`	`Apollozeus`	`sea also? :p`
`20:32.24`	`Bagginsww`	`also does anyone know if there is an article for the "Play warcraft III" battlegrounds`
`20:32.36`	`Bagginsww`	`*see`
`20:33.57`	`Hobinheim`	`april fools again?`
`20:34.22`	`Bagginsww`	`trying to categorize all the April Fool's related pages`
`20:34.38`	`Bagginsww`	`and sillify them`
`20:34.54`	`Hobinheim`	`someone had a quote GOLD about death coil`
`20:35.20`	`Hobinheim`	`"death coil should also steal the target's gold so we can pay for the harem atop our flying citadel powered by the tears of bitter players"`
`20:35.59`	`Hobinheim`	`i distinctly remember when i started playing wow shamans used to be the flavor of the week`
`20:36.07`	`Hobinheim`	`"sir, it was an ambush! there was two of them!!!"`
`20:38.59`	`Hobinheim`	`so like who's the flavor of the week now? surely not still warlocks`
`20:40.03`	`Bagginsww`	`Is there an article about 1.11 fake patch notes?`
`20:40.28`	`Bagginsww`	`the false april fool's one from blizzard forums`
`20:41.07`	`Hobinheim`	`yeah`
`20:41.14`	`Hobinheim`	`search 1.11 evil notes`
`20:42.28`	`Hobinheim`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_1.11_%28Evil_Patch_Notes%29`
`20:42.28`	`Bagginsww`	`ok thanks its now categorized under april fools`
`20:43.07`	`Zeal`	`Bagginsww, thoughts on the timelines i was doing so far?`
`20:43.44`	`Bagginsww`	`haven't looked at them`
`20:44.07`	`Bagginsww`	`hmm ya there was something`
`20:44.25`	`Bagginsww`	`I remember looking over one of your sandboxes`
`20:44.38`	`Zeal`	`*timeline`
`20:44.44`	`Zeal`	`indeed`
`20:45.20`	`Bagginsww`	`can you link the sandboxes again?`
`20:45.31`	`*** join/#wowwiki adamaig (n=adamaig@156-56-90-98.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu)`
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`20:45.39`	`adamaig`	`'lo all`
`20:45.43`	`Zeal`	`lo`
`20:46.49`	`adamaig`	`i'm doing my first bit of ui/macro/fn lib coding, and i'm running into a secure code problem`
`20:47.13`	`adamaig`	`is there a straight forward way to get the functionality of CastSpellByName into a macro?`
`20:47.29`	`Hobinheim`	`bot reporting in at 5.57%`
`20:47.33`	`Adys`	`gha hob`
`20:47.47`	`Hobinheim`	`adamaig, what exactly are you trying to do`
`20:48.15`	`adamaig`	`write a frostbolt kiting script`
`20:48.22`	`Zeal`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Source:Timeline_%28unofficial%29 Bagginsww`
`20:48.31`	`adamaig`	`i've got it detecting debuffs, but i just need to cast a spell`
`20:48.39`	`Hobinheim`	`i'm not a UI expert, but i don't think UI add-ons can directly cast spells. you have to bind the spell to a hardware event and have the user do stuff`
`20:48.48`	`Hobinheim`	`a script cannot intelligently cast a spell in combat`
`20:48.56`	`Zeal`	`indeed`
`20:48.59`	`Hobinheim`	`so if you're trying to pick between two spells`
`20:49.00`	`Bagginsww`	`well one thing I was going to say is it needs to be more text based like the old one, IMO`
`20:49.03`	`Hobinheim`	`that will only work out of combat`
`20:49.11`	`Hobinheim`	`or maybe even not at all`
`20:49.30`	`Zeal`	`text based?`
`20:49.37`	`adamaig`	`i'm not in combat atm ... yeah, CastSpellByName is now protected`
`20:49.39`	`Hobinheim`	`then you can't use it`
`20:49.41`	`adamaig`	`it apparently used to work in macros`
`20:49.51`	`Hobinheim`	`so, in english, what is it that you want`
`20:50.05`	`adamaig`	`to be able to cast a spell from a macro`
`20:50.07`	`Zeal`	`no way imo.. there is so much that could go on the timeline, written in so many different ways. it's not feasible.`
`20:50.08`	`Hobinheim`	`it's deprecated in the case of macros; you shouldn't be using it`
`20:50.13`	`Hobinheim`	`any other special logic?`
`20:50.33`	`Hobinheim`	`cuz right now you're sitting at why not just click the button`
`20:50.37`	`Bagginsww`	`I'm sure people will probalby do that anyway s:p`
`20:50.45`	`Bagginsww`	`unless you get it locked`
`20:51.02`	`adamaig`	`yes. if the target is frozen or frostbitten cast most powerful frostbolt, else cast frostbolt(rank 1)`
`20:51.04`	`Zeal`	`macros actually have some pretty intelligent options not for spell casting. you shouldn't really need a script`
`20:51.09`	`Hobinheim`	`not possible at all`
`20:51.18`	`Zeal`	`*now`
`20:51.19`	`adamaig`	`i've made a macro and am clicking the button in the panel`
`20:51.35`	`Hobinheim`	`yeah that behavior of choosing between spells based on a debuff is not possible at all`
`20:51.46`	`Bagginsww`	`also you have two sets of -9,999`
`20:51.57`	`Hobinheim`	`your best pet would just be to put the two frostbolts right next to each other and do the logic in your head`
`20:52.07`	`Hobinheim`	`and maybe get an addon that would remind you to switch frostbolts`
`20:52.10`	`Zeal`	`indeed i do, other should be 10,050 i think`
`20:52.12`	`adamaig`	`Hobinheim: i'm able to say different things based on the debuff status, why not execute other code?`
`20:52.16`	`Hobinheim`	`but this type of thing is totally forbidden`
`20:52.27`	`adamaig`	`that seems highly inconsistent`
`20:52.27`	`Hobinheim`	`because it gives you an edge in battle`
`20:52.38`	`Hobinheim`	`saying things = (almost) no effect in battle`
`20:52.45`	`adamaig`	`expressions in code are expressinos`
`20:52.47`	`Hobinheim`	`other than maybe the enemy team seeing some gibberish`
`20:52.58`	`Zeal`	`you're limited to what you can do in scripts, casting is one of them.`
`20:53.03`	`Hobinheim`	`well this is blizzard's philosophy, don't blame the messenger`
`20:53.18`	`adamaig`	`ok, so whats the point of macros now?`
`20:53.18`	`Hobinheim`	`people would make rediculous auto-play macro/bots`
`20:53.31`	`Hobinheim`	`macros help you cast different spells or just bind emotes to them`
`20:53.41`	`Zeal`	`points of macros is what is always has been, plus some basic intelligence.`
`20:54.01`	`adamaig`	`'cause i'm a little bit pissed that i've burned 2 hours on this now based on the bliz forums, and suddenly everything has been nerfed`
`20:54.02`	`Hobinheim`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:54.05`	`Hobinheim`	`that's perfectly acceptable`
`20:54.30`	`Hobinheim`	`that casts wrath if the target is an enemy, or healing touch otherwise`
`20:54.39`	`Hobinheim`	`that's still some logic, but it's the type of logic they allow`
`20:54.44`	`Hobinheim`	`or expose w/ their new macro system`
`20:54.48`	`Bagginsww`	`apollo I put in a note in the silly article that it refers to april fools jokes too`
`20:54.56`	`Bagginsww`	`but I think it needs to be reworded somewhat`
`20:55.01`	`Hobinheim`	`buffs and debuffs aren't exposed, short of the ability to cancel an aura (mounts)`
`20:55.02`	`Bagginsww`	`would you like to take a look?`
`20:55.34`	`Apollozeus`	`sure`
`20:55.48`	`Hobinheim`	`macros in this case have the potential to reduce the amount of keys that actions can take up, but they can never make offensive tactical decisions for you`
`20:55.54`	`Apollozeus`	`hm`
`20:55.58`	`Hobinheim`	`like "which frostbolt" or "save me mana by casting a low rank spell"`
`20:56.02`	`adamaig`	`so ... because i can detect if a debuff is on a target in a script, and usse that as a condition in /script, i'm breaking things?`
`20:56.03`	`Hobinheim`	`ugh w/e`
`20:56.04`	`Apollozeus`	`little unnecessary in my opinion`
`20:56.13`	`Hobinheim`	`yeah`
`20:56.28`	`Hobinheim`	`you can still detect buffs and whatever, but you aren't allowed to use that logic to cast spells`
`20:56.29`	`Bagginsww`	`well some people have removed the tmeplate cause an official blizzard joke was apparently more offiicial than silly :p`
`20:56.32`	`Hobinheim`	`well. in combat at least.`
`20:56.35`	`Zeal`	`well blizz are agaisnt down ranking period :P`
`20:56.42`	`Hobinheim`	`i've seen at least one auto mod that claims to work safely out of combat`
`20:56.47`	`Bagginsww`	`but if we went that route, we could unsillify the southpark episode`
`20:56.48`	`adamaig`	`can you show me a working macro for deciding which spell to cast based on mana avaiable?`
`20:56.53`	`Zeal`	`for mana conservation that is`
`20:56.53`	`Hobinheim`	`you can't`
`20:56.56`	`Bagginsww`	`since it was worked on by blizzard`
`20:56.57`	`Hobinheim`	`that's like... too smart`
`20:57.13`	`adamaig`	`sorry i thought thats what you were saying was possible`
`20:57.28`	`Hobinheim`	`you could make a mod that says HEY BUDDY YOU CAN ONLY CAST FROSTBOLT 1, HOW BOUT IT`
`20:57.38`	`Zeal`	`rofl Hobinheim`
`20:57.40`	`Hobinheim`	`but it can't actually do it for you`
`20:57.46`	`Hobinheim`	`Zeal, shh, i'm making that kinda mod =P`
`20:57.54`	`Hobinheim`	`the do this do this do this mod`
`20:57.59`	`Apollozeus`	`well Bagginsww`
`20:58.10`	`Apollozeus`	`let's reword it to "official blizzard joke"`
`20:58.19`	`Zeal`	`you also can't do something that says if this debuff move/display this button`
`20:58.21`	`Bagginsww`	`sure`
`20:58.44`	`Bagginsww`	`that will include stuff like Murlocos`
`20:58.45`	`Zeal`	`beleive you can't rebind on the fly either`
`20:58.46`	`Apollozeus`	`so it's a little wider than just april fools`
`20:59.06`	`Bagginsww`	`we just have to be careful that the silly doesn't go outside it sbounds again LOL`
`20:59.07`	`Hobinheim`	`MURLOCS AREN'T A JOKE. THEY'RE SIRIUS`
`20:59.12`	`Bagginsww`	`Murlocos`
`20:59.15`	`Bagginsww`	`not murlocs`
`20:59.15`	`Hobinheim`	`A MURLOC TOOK MY BROTHER`
`20:59.17`	`Bagginsww`	`as in the tacos`
`20:59.25`	`Bagginsww`	`the tshirt`
`20:59.30`	`Adys`	`A NAGA STOLE MY EPIX`
`20:59.30`	`Zeal`	`don't think you can bind period outside the blizz menu.. much to my annoyance : /`
`20:59.44`	`Zeal`	`was locked down a few patches ago iirc`
`20:59.44`	`Hobinheim`	`have you see the murloc rpg flash game`
`20:59.49`	`Zeal`	`indeed`
`20:59.52`	`Hobinheim`	`besides the fact that it has limited UI and sucks on flash`
`20:59.56`	`Hobinheim`	`it is an AWESOME game`
`21:00.01`	`Zeal`	`aye, that it is`
`21:00.07`	`Apollozeus`	`<@Adys> A NAGA STOLE MY EPIX <-- XD`
`21:00.14`	`Hobinheim`	`i didn't think being a murloc would be so awesome`
`21:00.30`	`Hobinheim`	`that's all i ever want to do in life now. enslave demons and mind control things`
`21:00.31`	`Zeal`	`the kobold was the hardest boss in it, even harder than that secret naked nelf >_>`
`21:00.37`	`Apollozeus`	`murlocs are too primitive to be a playable race ;p`
`21:00.45`	`Hobinheim`	`HUSH YOU`
`21:00.51`	`Adys`	`<Shut up Im High Warlord>`
`21:00.51`	`Hobinheim`	`murlocs have like... classes`
`21:01.00`	`Hobinheim`	`i love LOVE when mobs have classes`
`21:01.00`	`Apollozeus`	`true`
`21:01.03`	`Bagginsww`	`they aren't that primitiv eactually`
`21:01.05`	`Adys`	`ooh reminds me`
`21:01.11`	`Apollozeus`	`I'm talking about their architecture now`
`21:01.13`	`Adys`	`http://adys.stools.net/avpakoman.png`
`21:01.14`	`Bagginsww`	`they can learn common heh`
`21:01.17`	`Hobinheim`	`i go crazy when stuff looks like stuff`
`21:01.20`	`Apollozeus`	`even the troll's buildings are superior to theirs`
`21:01.37`	`Bagginsww`	`and they have some undersae civiliation somewhere aparently`
`21:01.37`	`Zeal`	`well even blizz said they weren't actually savage and primitive, they're getting organized :p`
`21:01.50`	`Hobinheim`	`what am i reading`
`21:01.56`	`Bagginsww`	`well they may actually have a civilicaiton that predates trolls`
`21:02.02`	`Bagginsww`	`*civilization`
`21:02.22`	`Bagginsww`	`they also have a very gifted artists`
`21:02.28`	`Bagginsww`	`they trade with other races`
`21:02.44`	`Zeal`	`this is where blizz now announce the murlocs are naga babies, or old Highbourne pets :P`
`21:02.52`	`Hobinheim`	`the only bad part about mind control is that these fancy humanoids are probably standing next to MORE fancy humanoids`
`21:02.53`	`Bagginsww`	`I need to update the murloc page with Lands of Mystery lore hehe`
`21:02.59`	`Hobinheim`	`and if they get the kill, you don't get the loot`
`21:03.01`	`Hobinheim`	`jerks...`
`21:03.16`	`Bagginsww`	`predate nagas`
`21:03.45`	`Bagginsww`	`they worship something called the sea mother, as I recall`
`21:03.50`	`Bagginsww`	`could be Old God`
`21:03.58`	`Bagginsww`	`very Cthulu like`
`21:04.02`	`Bagginsww`	`Dagon`
`21:04.20`	`Apollozeus`	`they're quite advanced compared to other mobs in wow`
`21:04.20`	`Bagginsww`	`Innmouth ;)`
`21:04.41`	`Apollozeus`	`but they're nowhere compared to other races :p`
`21:04.44`	`Zeal`	`how do we know they predate naga? :s`
`21:04.51`	`Bagginsww`	`naga come after night elves`
`21:04.59`	`Zeal`	`and..?`
`21:05.00`	`Bagginsww`	`murlocs are said to predate nigh elves`
`21:05.04`	`Zeal`	`ah kk`
`21:05.07`	`Zeal`	`RPG books?`
`21:05.07`	`Hobinheim`	`naga have classes`
`21:05.10`	`Bagginsww`	`ya`
`21:05.13`	`Bagginsww`	`Lands of mystery`
`21:05.13`	`Zeal`	`:p`
`21:05.16`	`Hobinheim`	`and NAGA HAVE CLASS MODELS ZOMG CONSPIRACY`
`21:05.17`	`Bagginsww`	`and there is a europeon article too`
`21:05.21`	`Bagginsww`	`on murlocs`
`21:05.33`	`Hobinheim`	`let your mind run rampant about nagas lacking boot slots`
`21:05.34`	`Bagginsww`	`not sure why we we didn't get hte article`
`21:05.55`	`Zeal`	`does RPG books go into the details of the murlocs the naga enslaved and their difference to the murlocs? :S they were murkgill or w/e iirc`
`21:06.07`	`Bagginsww`	`ya`
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`21:06.13`	`Bagginsww`	`check out Mutant Murlocs`
`21:06.18`	`Bagginsww`	`and and Murg'al`
`21:06.21`	`Bagginsww`	`or something like that`
`21:06.28`	`Bagginsww`	`brb`
`21:06.42`	`Hobinheim`	`what are some important humanoid races`
`21:06.47`	`Hobinheim`	`broken, centaur, murloc, naga`
`21:06.50`	`Hobinheim`	`goblin i guess`
`21:06.51`	`Hobinheim`	`anyone else?`
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`21:07.01`	`Hobinheim`	`like really neato stand out, preferably ones with lots of mobs/classes`
`21:07.18`	`Hobinheim`	`quillboar...`
`21:07.43`	`Hobinheim`	`harpy? i guess`
`21:07.46`	`Apollozeus`	`<Hobinheim> let your mind run rampant about nagas lacking boot slots <-- you could put one big shoe over the tail`
`21:07.52`	`Apollozeus`	`:[`
`21:07.54`	`Apollozeus`	`:p`
`21:09.41`	`Zeal`	`MoM says their different from the mutants. and Baggins, in your own time, add the LoM stuff to the murloc page to correct it ;)`
`21:09.46`	`Zeal`	`*they're`
`21:09.57`	`Zeal`	`atleast i'm assuming that's correctly cited`
`21:10.17`	`*** part/#wowwiki Hobinheim (n=Hobinhei@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)`
`21:10.52`	`Apollozeus`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/MediaWiki <-- shouldn't this be in the WoWWiki namespace?`
`21:11.33`	`Zeal`	`imo, yes`
`21:12.26`	`Apollozeus`	`relevance mediawiki to WoW = 0`
`21:12.50`	`Zeal`	`indeed`
`21:15.38`	`Apollozeus`	`moved`
`21:15.39`	`Zeal`	`btw, read half of RotH so far, but i dislike the 'thrall perseptive' he's supposed to be tellign the story, but he speaks of things he could never know.`
`21:16.00`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`why?`
`21:16.23`	`Zeal`	`poor choice, and i'd imagine it was done that way as it was 'cool' and 'cute' in metzen's and golden's minds`
`21:17.18`	`Zeal`	`he talks of events that only the draenei would have known, things only certain other people could know (Sargeras, Velen, Kil'Jaeden etc)`
`21:17.38`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`So much crap in the Help namespace :/`
`21:18.15`	`Zeal`	`yet you're supposed to beleive hes retelling a story passed down through Durotan, Orgrim, Grom and Drek'Thar`
`21:19.18`	`Zeal`	`also unsure when the story telling is suppposed to take place, i assumed before BC, but there is hint's its from before wow, and hints it's during wow :s`
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`21:26.12`	`Zeal`	`am i the onyl person who finds spoilers redundant on most sites?`
`21:26.31`	`Bagginsww`	`I only brought up the muntats to point out there are other subraces`
`21:27.11`	`Bagginsww`	`interesting thing to note is that outside of the murloc huts hides the fact that the insides are more advanced`
`21:27.17`	`Zeal`	`only place i can think ever deserves spoilers is a synopsis of something, where it's not trying to actually educate you, but convince you to buy/get it.`
`21:27.28`	`Zeal`	`kk`
`21:27.35`	`Zeal`	`well i added the mutans to the murloc category`
`21:27.42`	`Zeal`	`so people realize they exist :P`
`21:27.44`	`Bagginsww`	`do we need to say something is a spoiler if its been confirmed in another source as having already happened?`
`21:28.04`	`Bagginsww`	`and like 4 months has passed`
`21:28.08`	`Bagginsww`	`from when that source states it`
`21:28.25`	`Zeal`	`i would never use a spoiler on wowwiki, period >_>`
`21:28.58`	`Zeal`	`people come to learn and find out things, they want it to be spoiled.`
`21:29.01`	`Bagginsww`	`inside of murloc huts are filled with fine murloc tapestries and artwork`
`21:29.11`	`Bagginsww`	`furniture and what not`
`21:29.17`	`Zeal`	`cool, lol`
`21:29.23`	`Zeal`	`is it all tiny sized? :P`
`21:29.32`	`Bagginsww`	`ingame huts are not to scale`
`21:29.45`	`Bagginsww`	`LOL`
`21:30.13`	`Zeal`	`or perhaps gnomes mutated from murlocs, rofl.`
`21:30.29`	`Zeal`	`the moved too far inland :P`
`21:31.53`	`Zeal`	`ah.. that's soemthing i haven't done`
`21:32.01`	`Zeal`	`i should place the RPG books on the timeline`
`21:32.28`	`Bagginsww`	`the problem is knowing when the books take place`
`21:32.39`	`Bagginsww`	`they only state, happens after previous book etc`
`21:32.45`	`Bagginsww`	`and since the timeline changes around`
`21:32.52`	`Bagginsww`	`between books`
`21:33.02`	`Bagginsww`	`well that makes it hard to know specific date`
`21:33.03`	`Zeal`	`you gotta appreciate that wow never release stuff set in the past, it's always up-to-date setting, but might go back and retell the past.`
`21:33.04`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`My spoiler related view - add tags if you think it's appropriate, but I will vigorously go against any attempt to put a policy on it, or to ban them :)`
`21:33.27`	`Bagginsww`	`Up until like maybe Mor magic and mayhem`
`21:33.30`	`Zeal`	`you vigorously go against all policies though ;p`
`21:33.35`	`Bagginsww`	`the previous books took place before WoW`
`21:33.38`	`Bagginsww`	`as far as I can tell`
`21:33.46`	`Zeal`	`aye, knew that much, hehe`
`21:33.58`	`Bagginsww`	`then its slowly been jumping over`
`21:34.06`	`Bagginsww`	`actually Lands of Mystery is probably pre-wow`
`21:34.21`	`Zeal`	`honestly, i'll leave that up to you if you don't mind, as without then, it's hard for me to gauge based on what's being said in them`
`21:34.24`	`Bagginsww`	`I think APG and HPG are the onlyones that seem to be post start of wow`
`21:34.44`	`Zeal`	`MM&M and WoWRPG not after wow?`
`21:34.58`	`Bagginsww`	`besides I have an RPG "timeline" of sorts in Warcraft RPG topic`
`21:35.11`	`Bagginsww`	`at least for mentioning when books take place in regards to each other`
`21:35.27`	`Bagginsww`	`WOWRPG takes place after Lands of Conflict`
`21:35.40`	`Bagginsww`	`and MM&M takes place after WoWRPG`
`21:35.48`	`Bagginsww`	`but the stuff they cover is pre-wow for the most part`
`21:36.15`	`Bagginsww`	`LoM is said to be after MM&M as I recall`
`21:36.24`	`Zeal`	`indeed, but it's more going through, see what events have happened, what haven't, and then throwing them under a rough existing date.`
`21:36.34`	`Bagginsww`	`but it doesn't cover anything that occurs in WoW really`
`21:36.49`	`Bagginsww`	`APG and HPG hower has some very strong refrences`
`21:36.51`	`Bagginsww`	`to wow events`
`21:37.27`	`Bagginsww`	`and I told you the other day that WOW seems to have events that may occur before the cover story`
`21:37.41`	`Bagginsww`	`and some that occur after WOW< and haven't occured in the RPG yet`
`21:37.43`	`Zeal`	`for example, any without Blood Elf mention (or are known to have been published before any that do mention it) would have to happen before 26 AP`
`21:38.06`	`Zeal`	`i know`
`21:38.15`	`Zeal`	`but that just means it spans several years`
`21:38.23`	`Bagginsww`	`first book is fairly easy we know it happens before daelin proodmoore's attack`
`21:38.53`	`Zeal`	`first book?`
`21:38.57`	`Bagginsww`	`the first rpg book`
`21:39.02`	`Bagginsww`	`Warcraft RPG`
`21:39.02`	`Zeal`	`kk`
`21:39.11`	`Bagginsww`	`since daelin's attack is said to be the future`
`21:39.47`	`Bagginsww`	`But later books have no timelines`
`21:40.00`	`Bagginsww`	`but instead just say somethin glike "happened after Lands of Conflict"`
`21:40.20`	`Zeal`	`so that places it between RoC and TFT`
`21:40.31`	`Bagginsww`	`Lands of conflict pretty much covers his adventures down to stranglethorn vale`
`21:40.35`	`Bagginsww`	`where he was "lost"`
`21:40.41`	`Bagginsww`	`before World of Warcraft began`
`21:40.56`	`Bagginsww`	`lands of mystery covers his trip to northrend`
`21:41.02`	`Bagginsww`	`which also occurs before WoW begins`
`21:41.08`	`Bagginsww`	`as per the manual`
`21:41.39`	`Bagginsww`	`Alliance nad HOrde player's guides talks about his trips to Silithus`
`21:41.45`	`Bagginsww`	`well his later trips`
`21:42.33`	`Bagginsww`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Warcraft_RPG#Books`
`21:42.51`	`Bagginsww`	`I have the notes I was able to pull from each book listed there`
`21:42.58`	`Zeal`	`well i know there are no timelines, but you can roughly gauge what's has or hasn't happened based on the politics and races that exist and things brann talks about seeing. It's how i placed of blood and honor, as it has no date given and hardly any talk of things going on outside it's main story.`
`21:43.13`	`Zeal`	`aye, reading already`
`21:44.01`	`Bagginsww`	`year 30 is nebulous it could be covering a range of 30-35 years`
`21:44.10`	`Zeal`	`i know`
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`21:44.20`	`Zeal`	`that's why i've disaplayed it as i have :p`
`21:44.40`	`Zeal`	`it's pretty much 30-<next date disaplyed>`
`21:45.15`	`Bagginsww`	`and there is a line in Lands of Mystery that says it takes palce before WoW as I recall`
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`21:45.32`	`Bagginsww`	`but that it almost leading into it`
`21:46.03`	`Bagginsww`	`well you have year 31, you might want to say 1 year after Wow LOL`
`21:46.24`	`Zeal`	`lol`
`21:46.32`	`Zeal`	`nah, sticking to portal dating`
`21:46.59`	`Zeal`	`hm..`
`21:48.10`	`Bagginsww`	`I meant that the intro to blood elves campaign`
`21:48.11`	`Zeal`	`S&L though, why across the entire timeline?`
`21:48.18`	`Bagginsww`	`actually says 5 years since they left outland`
`21:48.19`	`Bagginsww`	`or so`
`21:48.51`	`Bagginsww`	`shadows and light has stuff rom war of the ancients, up to frozen throne`
`21:49.00`	`Bagginsww`	`and some stuff past frozen throne`
`21:49.02`	`Zeal`	`well that's more accurate :P`
`21:49.26`	`Bagginsww`	`let me try to get you the quote`
`21:49.31`	`Bagginsww`	`from blood elves intro`
`21:49.32`	`Zeal`	`since they left (for) outland?`
`21:49.43`	`Bagginsww`	`just a sec`
`21:49.46`	`Zeal`	`kk`
`21:49.47`	`Adys`	`lol baggins`
`21:49.50`	`Adys`	`I just saw`
`21:49.55`	`Bagginsww`	`saw what?`
`21:50.00`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Wisp_%28April_Fool%27s%29&curid=32663&diff=409779&oldid=409775&rcid=319705`
`21:50.27`	`Adys`	`I just think thats funny :p`
`21:50.33`	`Bagginsww`	`my typo :p`
`21:50.38`	`Adys`	`rofl`
`21:50.50`	`Adys`	`no awesome btw :P`
`21:50.53`	`Bagginsww`	`grr when you are citing and categorizing it all kind of blends :p`
`21:51.27`	`Bagginsww`	`heh heh`
`21:52.36`	`Zeal`	`lol`
`21:54.00`	`Bagginsww`	`for nearly 7000 years high elves have cultivated a kingdom in northern lordaeron`
`21:54.09`	`Bagginsww`	`ok there is one refrence to ttime`
`21:54.14`	`Bagginsww`	`in the blood elves intro`
`21:55.08`	`Zeal`	`but time changes, events are the important thing :P`
`21:55.14`	`Zeal`	`*things`
`21:55.56`	`Bagginsww`	`5 years ago the undead scourge invaded queal'thalas`
`21:56.04`	`Bagginsww`	`there's the other quote`
`21:56.33`	`Bagginsww`	`the problem is some dates have not been dated`
`21:56.41`	`Bagginsww`	`like most of the WoW quests`
`21:56.42`	`Zeal`	`np`
`21:56.53`	`Bagginsww`	`thus why we can't place those books on specific dates`
`21:57.16`	`Bagginsww`	`especially since the MMO doesn't even refrence some things only mentioned int he RPG`
`21:57.32`	`Bagginsww`	`but were supposed ot have happened pre-wow`
`21:57.43`	`Zeal`	`it'll work :p`
`21:57.45`	`Zeal`	`hm..`
`21:58.06`	`Zeal`	`Monster Guide not yet published? says it was published in 2004 on it's own page :s`
`21:58.51`	`Zeal`	`that needs to be fixed tbh`
`21:59.09`	`Zeal`	`07/02/07 is publication`
`21:59.25`	`Bagginsww`	`and exodar crashed one month ago`
`21:59.40`	`Bagginsww`	`the original Manual of MOnsters was published in 2004`
`21:59.44`	`Bagginsww`	`I think`
`21:59.53`	`Zeal`	`yeah, but this is the monster guide page`
`21:59.56`	`Bagginsww`	`ya`
`22:00.06`	`Zeal`	`the they lied, they said Dark Factions would be next : /`
`22:00.33`	`Bagginsww`	`no they did't`
`22:00.44`	`Bagginsww`	`dark factions was the one planned for later`
`22:00.51`	`Bagginsww`	`monster guide has been known about for a while`
`22:01.06`	`Bagginsww`	`dark faction is a new announcement`
`22:02.00`	`Zeal`	`"The time seems right to announce the book following the Horde Player's Guide. The next book is called Dark Factions."`
`22:02.10`	`Zeal`	`yet Monster Guide is out between those two`
`22:04.06`	`Bagginsww`	`give the guy a break LOL`
`22:04.25`	`Bagginsww`	`Monster Guide has been finished`
`22:04.27`	`Bagginsww`	`for a while`
`22:04.33`	`Zeal`	`lol`
`22:04.33`	`Bagginsww`	`they just needed the artwork squared away`
`22:04.34`	`Zeal`	`kk`
`22:04.41`	`Bagginsww`	`its color I hear`
`22:05.06`	`Bagginsww`	`which makes the second color rpg sourcebook since the core rulebook second edition`
`22:05.17`	`Zeal`	`MM&M got a better time frame? :p`
`22:05.40`	`Bagginsww`	`what do you mean?`
`22:05.50`	`Zeal`	`atm you've got the whole timeline`
`22:06.07`	`Bagginsww`	`I don't know when Monster Guide takes place`
`22:06.19`	`Zeal`	`no More Magic and Mayhem`
`22:06.27`	`Bagginsww`	`that's a book list, when ti comes out I'll add in the info of when ti takes place`
`22:06.28`	`Zeal`	`*no,`
`22:06.30`	`Bagginsww`	`you mean its out of print?`
`22:06.42`	`Bagginsww`	`rpg books go out of print like in 6 months of their release`
`22:06.44`	`Bagginsww`	`well sold out`
`22:06.46`	`Zeal`	`>_>`
`22:06.49`	`Bagginsww`	`sometimes they print htem again`
`22:07.19`	`Zeal`	`within warcraft timline, when does MM&M take place? even if it's a span like Shadows and Light.`
`22:08.09`	`Bagginsww`	`its just after World of WAcraft core rulebook second edition :p but before Lands of Mystery`
`22:08.15`	`Bagginsww`	`as I refcall`
`22:08.41`	`Bagginsww`	`according to the introduction`
`22:08.53`	`Bagginsww`	`let me check`
`22:09.06`	`Bagginsww`	`if I didn't list anything on that page then it might not have a specific date`
`22:09.11`	`Bagginsww`	`or range`
`22:09.11`	`Zeal`	`"Largely set after World of Warcraft: The Roleplaying game, it contains material set across the entire timeline. " well that's what you've got atm :P`
`22:09.25`	`Bagginsww`	`oh ya cause it has units from warcraft 2-3`
`22:09.38`	`Bagginsww`	`some stuff from warcraft 1`
`22:09.49`	`Bagginsww`	`discusses some events from TFT`
`22:09.53`	`Zeal`	`well then, it would span from WC1-the newest details it had`
`22:10.03`	`Zeal`	`*has`
`22:10.05`	`Bagginsww`	`and some stuff from the past as well`
`22:10.12`	`Bagginsww`	`so it spans the entire timeline :p`
`22:10.27`	`Zeal`	`but not after wow i take it?`
`22:10.27`	`Bagginsww`	`titans stuff`
`22:10.32`	`Bagginsww`	`ya`
`22:10.42`	`Bagginsww`	`at least not that I can tell`
`22:10.45`	`Bagginsww`	`it might`
`22:11.04`	`Bagginsww`	`that's why I left it vague`
`22:11.09`	`Bagginsww`	`spans the entire timeline`
`22:11.31`	`Bagginsww`	`but I'll go read the introduction again`
`22:11.33`	`Bagginsww`	`to be sure`
`22:12.10`	`Zeal`	`kk, ty`
`22:12.32`	`Bagginsww`	`yep it has no specific refrences to when the book takes place. Its just random material from all eras`
`22:12.49`	`Bagginsww`	`may or may not include material from MMO itself`
`22:13.06`	`Bagginsww`	`when it does it refers to the pre-wow history for those items`
`22:13.11`	`Bagginsww`	`like a few weapons`
`22:13.34`	`Bagginsww`	`but not who owns them currently`
`22:13.49`	`Zeal`	`ah, kk`
`22:14.17`	`Bagginsww`	`but those items were definitely derived from WOW oriignally`
`22:14.25`	`Zeal`	`one thing we're lacking though. WCRPG and WoWRPG need their own pages for the book, not jsut redirects to the topic about the RPG as a whole : /`
`22:14.25`	`Bagginsww`	`like Hydrocane for example`
`22:15.10`	`Bagginsww`	`well the books of the WRPG are the books of hte WoWRPG as well`
`22:15.20`	`Bagginsww`	`same line just a title change`
`22:15.20`	`Zeal`	`no, i mean the books themselves`
`22:15.35`	`Bagginsww`	`I suppose we could make a title page for them`
`22:15.43`	`Bagginsww`	`but do you go with the long names?`
`22:16.05`	`Bagginsww`	`Dungeons and Dragons Warcraft The Role Playing GAme`
`22:16.10`	`Bagginsww`	`for the first book`
`22:16.29`	`Zeal`	`sorta like how we have War of the Ancients, and then articles with each of the books within that collection. the RPG needs an article, and each book, including the core books, need their own articles.`
`22:16.35`	`Zeal`	`nah`
`22:16.39`	`Bagginsww`	`and World of Warcraft The Role Playing GAme`
`22:16.49`	`Bagginsww`	`SEcond Edition :p`
`22:16.49`	`Zeal`	`Warcraft: The Role Playing Game or w/e really`
`22:17.34`	`Zeal`	`whatever white wold use i guess`
`22:17.35`	`Bagginsww`	`We could keep the Warcraft RPG article as the overview of everything`
`22:17.56`	`Bagginsww`	`Well the first book was Dungeons and Dragons Warcraft The Role Playing GAme`
`22:18.05`	`Bagginsww`	`or rather Dungeons & Dragons`
`22:18.11`	`Zeal`	`yeah, i just checked that :P`
`22:18.17`	`Bagginsww`	`its va very long name :p`
`22:18.19`	`Zeal`	`and yes, ofc, keep the existing article`
`22:18.40`	`Bagginsww`	`but it would allow some of the material to be disambiguated`
`22:18.50`	`Zeal`	`yeah, well it can always have the existing redirects fro mthe main article`
`22:18.58`	`Bagginsww`	`http://www.warcraftrpg.com/home.html`
`22:19.05`	`Bagginsww`	`there is the discription for first edition`
`22:19.22`	`Zeal`	`oo the druid tree bg`
`22:19.36`	`Bagginsww`	`Dungeons & Dragons® Warcraft® the Roleplaying Game`
`22:19.41`	`Bagginsww`	`yep their's your title LOL`
`22:19.49`	`Bagginsww`	`it must have the copyrights heh heh`
`22:19.55`	`Bagginsww`	`rolls eyes heh heh`
`22:19.59`	`Zeal`	`rofl`
`22:20.10`	`Zeal`	`well for the real article, it seems fine to me.`
`22:21.09`	`dotted`	`how do you link to a category page?`
`22:21.21`	`Zeal`	`just add : infront of the category`
`22:21.26`	`dotted`	`ok thx`
`22:21.32`	`Bagginsww`	`You are welcome to start splitting it up if you like`
`22:21.35`	`Zeal`	`[[:Category:Pages that suck]]`
`22:21.44`	`Zeal`	`lol, doing the timeline atm :P`
`22:21.52`	`Zeal`	`but i shall do if you don't want to.`
`22:22.09`	`Bagginsww`	`what is standard wiki style? is it ok to put copyright symbols in titles?`
`22:22.18`	`Zeal`	`i don't think so`
`22:22.24`	`Bagginsww`	`so everything but those`
`22:22.45`	`Zeal`	`especially as everything on the wiki is outside the copyright laws theoretically`
`22:22.53`	`Zeal`	`god i hate copyright laws`
`22:23.04`	`Bagginsww`	`LOL`
`22:23.27`	`Zeal`	`theoretically, you could actually argue not having to pay for Microsoft Encylopedia under american laws`
`22:23.35`	`Zeal`	`never seen it attempted though`
`22:23.36`	`Zeal`	`lol`
`22:26.01`	`Bagginsww`	`ok I made a stub for the first book`
`22:31.32`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`So uhm...`
`22:31.42`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I'm on the brink to create a UDE points explanation page...`
`22:31.44`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but uhm oO`
`22:31.48`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`What to name it XD`
`22:34.51`	`Zeal`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Source:Timeline_%28unofficial%29 opinions?`
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`22:36.00`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`You take it that 1 year went over WoW => WoW BC?`
`22:36.10`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`or is that sourced somewhere?`
`22:36.14`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Zeal`
`22:36.15`	`Zeal`	`sourced`
`22:36.48`	`Zeal`	`er.. Bagginsww told me the source i beleive, i forget, lol.`
`22:37.23`	`Bagginsww`	`the intro video to wow stated it took place 4 years after battle of hyjal right?`
`22:37.36`	`Zeal`	`think it's one of the blood elves in game wasnt it?`
`22:37.41`	`Zeal`	`yes`
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`22:37.52`	`Zeal`	`but that's been retconned with future sources`
`22:38.02`	`Bagginsww`	`and intro video to blood elves in burning crusade says 5 years since scourge trashed quel'thalas`
`22:38.27`	`Zeal`	`er..`
`22:38.39`	`Zeal`	`that's not exactly what you told me x_x`
`22:38.41`	`Zeal`	`bah, lol`
`22:38.43`	`Bagginsww`	`even in warcraft rpg timelines WoW more or less is set 5 years form when it sets the battle of mount hyjal`
`22:38.54`	`Bagginsww`	`4 years I mean`
`22:39.02`	`Bagginsww`	`I gave you that quote earlier`
`22:39.07`	`Bagginsww`	`you weren't reading`
`22:39.26`	`Zeal`	`oh wait, 4 years after hyjal`
`22:39.29`	`Zeal`	`thats correct yeah`
`22:40.12`	`Bagginsww`	`from a comment I stateda bove, "5 years ago the undead Scourge invaded Queal'Thalas"`
`22:40.24`	`Bagginsww`	`that's form the blood elves intro flyover`
`22:40.36`	`Bagginsww`	`I went into the beta to get the quote`
`22:40.55`	`Bagginsww`	`and exodar crashed one month ago :p`
`22:41.01`	`Zeal`	`wait wtf..`
`22:41.05`	`Zeal`	`i now need to go back..`
`22:41.18`	`Bagginsww`	`Like I said I don't htink Blizzard keeps track of their own dates`
`22:41.31`	`Bagginsww`	`they just added 1 year from the WOW intro video`
`22:41.36`	`Bagginsww`	`more or less`
`22:42.12`	`Bagginsww`	`and hope the fans aren't notiicing any inconsisitencies`
`22:42.33`	`Zeal`	`well i need to check the possitioning of TFT and RoC, but those 5 years could mean BC takes place 4 years after wow..`
`22:43.08`	`Zeal`	`*1-4`
`22:45.03`	`Zeal`	`ok, definitely not 4`
`22:46.34`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Ow, that Wisp page has awful code :/`
`22:51.46`	`Zeal`	`ok.. heres it is. WoW takes places 4 years after hyjal, Hyjal takes place and ends in 25 AP, TFT takes place 26 AP (quel'thalas gone) to 29 AP (proudmoor killed). if BC takes place 5 years after 26 AP then, that places wow at 29AP (same time TFT ends), and places BC at 31 AP.`
`22:53.53`	`Bagginsww`	`ya...`
`22:53.57`	`Bagginsww`	`wisp page sucks`
`22:54.33`	`Zeal`	`does WoW RPG and APG state they take place before WoW or not Bagginsww?`
`22:54.57`	`Zeal`	`explicitly so that is`
`22:55.40`	`Zeal`	`why are you killing BC when it's not live yet? :s`
`22:55.42`	`Bagginsww`	`WoWRPG does`
`22:55.53`	`Bagginsww`	`APG on the other hand covers some quests seen in WoW`
`22:55.58`	`Bagginsww`	`that have just occured`
`22:56.18`	`Bagginsww`	`for instance Hakkar has been killed in the Lost/Sunken Temple`
`22:56.32`	`Bagginsww`	`but rumors are just coming up that he is resurrected in Zul'Gurrub`
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`22:58.26`	`Bagginsww`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Maiev_Shadowsong#Alleged_death`
`22:58.29`	`Zeal`	`ok.. well then WoWRPG blows "4 years after Hyjal" out of the water, as according to it's timeline, it would be set 1 year after wow, if 4 years is supposed to remain true..`
`22:58.34`	`Bagginsww`	`neutralfied some rpg hater's addition`
`22:58.42`	`Bagginsww`	`to the alleged death`
`22:58.57`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Mucho better: http://www.wowwiki.com/Wisp_%28April_Fool%27s%29`
`22:59.05`	`Bagginsww`	`I told you things aren't very consistent`
`22:59.21`	`Bagginsww`	`also it has TFT events 4 years before 30 as I recall`
`22:59.27`	`Bagginsww`	`4-5 years`
`22:59.53`	`Bagginsww`	`only thing it has just before 30 is daelin`
`23:00.04`	`Bagginsww`	`but it has TFT kind of spread over the entir etimline`
`23:00.05`	`Zeal`	`yes, 26-29`
`23:00.11`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`guys, not to be a big bother but the original intro movie had something like so many years after some event`
`23:00.22`	`Bagginsww`	`WoW's intro is 4 years after battle of hyjal iirc`
`23:00.27`	`Bagginsww`	`not TFT`
`23:00.38`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I'll try checking it up quickly`
`23:00.38`	`Bagginsww`	`its "3 years" after bulk of TFT`
`23:00.42`	`Zeal`	`yes, 4 Patrigan-Syldra, i'm just pointing out how it seems likely that has now been retconned`
`23:00.57`	`Bagginsww`	`ya patri pretty sure it was 4 years from the battle of hyjal`
`23:01.15`	`Bagginsww`	`That intro still exists however for people playing WoW standard`
`23:01.37`	`Bagginsww`	`people loading up BC on the other hand get a brand new intro`
`23:01.39`	`Zeal`	`for a source to say it's before WoW @ 30, but it's timeline says Hyjal happened at 25, would contrdict itself.`
`23:01.58`	`Bagginsww`	`hyja has been moved from about 21 to 25`
`23:02.07`	`Zeal`	`indeed`
`23:02.10`	`Bagginsww`	`thus there is still about 4 years`
`23:02.13`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and what if TFT plays together with WoW?`
`23:02.14`	`Bagginsww`	`its an approximate`
`23:02.26`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`It's not impossible, you know...`
`23:02.30`	`Bagginsww`	`TFT intro says about year year later`
`23:02.42`	`Zeal`	`well it looks more like 5-6 years, but then BC retcons that as a newer source still and throws APG into question..`
`23:02.42`	`Bagginsww`	`as I recall`
`23:02.50`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I'll chekc my TFT intro quickly`
`23:03.04`	`Bagginsww`	`then metzen will have the RPG release yet another timeline`
`23:03.06`	`Zeal`	`yeah, well APG gets TFT right :P`
`23:03.11`	`Bagginsww`	`its a never ending cycle`
`23:03.24`	`Bagginsww`	`I guerentte blizzard will keep on retconning the retconned timelines`
`23:03.27`	`Bagginsww`	`over and over`
`23:03.35`	`Bagginsww`	`This is exactly why I don't put specific dates in articles`
`23:03.59`	`Bagginsww`	`to be fair the manual for TFT says several months after hyjal`
`23:04.16`	`Zeal`	`indeed`
`23:04.18`	`Bagginsww`	`most sources seem to round that to one year`
`23:04.22`	`Zeal`	`but we know that changed, heh`
`23:04.36`	`Bagginsww`	`almost 12 months is still technically many months`
`23:04.43`	`Bagginsww`	`many months is hardly specific`
`23:04.53`	`Bagginsww`	`quoting the manual`
`23:05.23`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Oooh, cool - we're holding onto visitors for longer these days`
`23:05.39`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`From Alexa - Page Views per user`
`23:05.54`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`3 months average - 6.9, 1 week averahe, 8.5 :)`
`23:06.04`	`Bagginsww`	`APG ends lists up to 30`
`23:06.10`	`Bagginsww`	`HGP doesn't list anything`
`23:06.19`	`Bagginsww`	`although its related to APG`
`23:06.25`	`Bagginsww`	`both are written about the same time`
`23:06.27`	`Bagginsww`	`for hte same book`
`23:06.27`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Oh and today's traffic rank is 2,800 in the world :)`
`23:06.32`	`Bagginsww`	`some book brann is writing`
`23:07.29`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Oh WOW: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=www.clearfont.co.uk`
`23:07.38`	`Zeal`	`ok, well if we say WoW has been retconned to by 5 years after Hyjal, it all falls itno place`
`23:07.43`	`Zeal`	`*be`
`23:08.06`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nothing said in the TFT intro about timeline`
`23:08.11`	`Bagginsww`	`well I get impression BC is stating that it takes place 1 year after WoW`
`23:08.22`	`Zeal`	`indeed`
`23:08.22`	`Bagginsww`	`maybe its in the missions`
`23:08.25`	`Zeal`	`that still keeps BC 1 year after`
`23:08.31`	`Bagginsww`	`did you check out first compaign?`
`23:08.33`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`1 thing that makes me wonder`
`23:08.52`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Are we certain that Illidan started his revenge AFTER the tree?`
`23:08.58`	`Bagginsww`	`which is just annoying because there are refrences to years going by in WoW in a few quest`
`23:09.19`	`Zeal`	`as Hyjal = 25AP, Quel=26AP, so WoW=30AP, and BC = 31 AP`
`23:09.36`	`Bagginsww`	`ya its just that WoW itself isn't consistent with time`
`23:09.44`	`Zeal`	`yes Patrigan-Syldra, that's why TFT takes place after RoC :p`
`23:10.00`	`Bagginsww`	`certain implications that certain events in WoW take place several years into`
`23:10.04`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nothing is said about Illidan awakening the naga after the tree`
`23:10.16`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`TFT might aswell start before the tree you know`
`23:10.26`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`not too much`
`23:10.27`	`Bagginsww`	`btw blood elves in horde have been in the game since game's release in the examples of the one in stonetalone mountains, and the ont that tries to get people to stop fighting in netherwind keep`
`23:10.29`	`Zeal`	`no.. it states it takes place several months after`
`23:10.42`	`Zeal`	`and these timelines put TFT events starting @ a year later`
`23:11.00`	`Bagginsww`	`so I'd recommend you make year 30 a range`
`23:11.03`	`Bagginsww`	`not a specific year`
`23:11.05`	`Zeal`	`yeah, i noticed that too Bagginsww`
`23:11.08`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Zeal where does it say that, because I checdked several TFT campaigns`
`23:11.18`	`Zeal`	`it's in the manual`
`23:11.36`	`Bagginsww`	`From the manual, "Many months hav epassed since the battle of mount hyjal..."`
`23:11.42`	`Bagginsww`	`page 6`
`23:11.45`	`Zeal`	`Bagginsww, they're all ranges :p`
`23:11.50`	`Bagginsww`	`I reduced the sentence somewhat`
`23:12.08`	`Bagginsww`	`Its "many months"`
`23:12.11`	`Bagginsww`	`hardly specific`
`23:12.25`	`Bagginsww`	`many months can be as few as 4 as many 20 :`
`23:12.42`	`Bagginsww`	`to just give a range of interpretation`
`23:12.57`	`Zeal`	`basically, i've put all the RPG books so far after WoW RPG as the same year as WoW starts, so before is still valid if it's in terms of months, weeks, days.`
`23:13.05`	`Bagginsww`	`some cultures don't use years, they say "Many moons ago" LOL`
`23:13.33`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`XD`
`23:13.41`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Bagginsww`
`23:13.54`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Many months have passed and now...`
`23:13.56`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`what follows?`
`23:14.15`	`Bagginsww`	`TFT`
`23:14.29`	`Bagginsww`	`its introduction to start of night elves campaign`
`23:14.42`	`Bagginsww`	`main TFT campaign`
`23:14.52`	`Bagginsww`	`horde campaign was always seperate`
`23:14.53`	`Zeal`	`it basically ends up saying "illidan plots and waits" ... <start tft>`
`23:15.18`	`Bagginsww`	`and that arhtas has newly been crowned king of lordaeron`
`23:15.34`	`Bagginsww`	`the setup of what you can see in the main campaign`
`23:15.49`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`hmmmm`
`23:17.54`	`Bagginsww`	`you know soon after arthas hands over control to Kel'thuzand and heads north`
`23:17.54`	`Bagginsww`	`forsaken break away, etc`
`23:17.54`	`Bagginsww`	`all part of the 3 main acts`
`23:18.07`	`Bagginsww`	`those 3 main acts take place over the course of many months themselves`
`23:18.12`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`anyways, feeling like some TFT so I'm off cyaz`
`23:18.35`	`Zeal`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Source:Timeline_%28unofficial%29 ok that should be good to go unless you see any other issues`
`23:18.47`	`Bagginsww`	`oh btw it takes a month or two to travel between kalimdor and azeroth :)`
`23:19.01`	`Zeal`	`i've not places RotH yet as i wanna finish reading it to do so.`
`23:19.07`	`Zeal`	`lol`
`23:19.23`	`Zeal`	`NPCs have slow computers then ;p`
`23:19.35`	`Bagginsww`	`nah`
`23:19.40`	`Bagginsww`	`the world scale si too small in wow`
`23:19.54`	`Zeal`	`i know, just joking`
`23:19.54`	`Bagginsww`	`i Know :)`
`23:20.30`	`Zeal`	`i originally did start a custom campaign, in a similar format tothe rexxar ones, each zone being a map`
`23:20.36`	`Bagginsww`	`thrall or intro screen gave ane exact date for travel time Reing of Chaos`
`23:20.47`	`Zeal`	`got most of durotar done and got side-tracked, lol`
`23:20.52`	`Bagginsww`	`or at least a some kind of aproximation`
`23:21.03`	`Bagginsww`	`well travel time can affect dates is all I'm sayi8ng`
`23:21.19`	`Bagginsww`	`except magic travel that's near instant`
`23:24.08`	`Zeal`	`argh.. i wanna see something decided with certain races and certain factions..`
`23:24.20`	`Zeal`	`in wow, alot of names are used as both races and factions`
`23:24.31`	`Zeal`	`*in warcraft`
`23:25.10`	`Zeal`	`Blood Elves for example, are both a race and a faction`
`23:25.56`	`Zeal`	`broken, lost ones..`
`23:26.11`	`Zeal`	`Most of the burning legion..`
`23:27.14`	`Zeal`	`Dranei are a faction, not a race (at least i haven't seen any reason to belive so from RotH)`
`23:28.32`	`Bagginsww`	`Considered a race in the RPG`
`23:28.43`	`Bagginsww`	`and they have changed somewhat from the original eredar maybe`
`23:28.46`	`Zeal`	`well the RPG, is wrong : /`
`23:28.55`	`Zeal`	`not according to RotH`
`23:28.56`	`Bagginsww`	`its implied in WoW too`
`23:29.15`	`Zeal`	`which super-seeds all other sources currently`
`23:29.23`	`Bagginsww`	`not BC`
`23:29.32`	`Bagginsww`	`they are a race in BC`
`23:29.41`	`Zeal`	`nope`
`23:29.51`	`Bagginsww`	`they even have their own unique language`
`23:30.00`	`Bagginsww`	`not Eredar language`
`23:30.08`	`Bagginsww`	`that's saved for the demonic eredar now`
`23:30.15`	`Zeal`	`WoW makes no proper distinction, jsut look at the fact that Dwarves and Scourge are the playable races really..`
`23:30.31`	`Bagginsww`	`no you just have to wait and see :p`
`23:30.32`	`Bagginsww`	`its in BC`
`23:30.33`	`Zeal`	`when really, they're Iron Forge Dwarves and Forsaken Undead`
`23:30.39`	`Bagginsww`	`the draenei make a disction`
`23:30.44`	`Zeal`	`oh?`
`23:30.46`	`Bagginsww`	`they don't consider themselves eredar anymore`
`23:30.51`	`Bagginsww`	`that's an insult to them`
`23:30.58`	`Zeal`	`i don't recall this`
`23:31.01`	`Bagginsww`	`Eredar roughly means "digusting"`
`23:31.08`	`Zeal`	`i've done all but the last two elite quests so far :/`
`23:31.13`	`Zeal`	`no, it doesn't`
`23:31.17`	`Bagginsww`	`Its on bloodmyst isle`
`23:31.20`	`Zeal`	`thats man something..`
`23:31.36`	`Bagginsww`	`this one eredar states`
`23:31.44`	`Bagginsww`	`"Eredar used to mean something to us once"`
`23:31.47`	`Zeal`	`*Man'ari`
`23:31.57`	`Bagginsww`	`no not referringto "man'ari`
`23:32.09`	`Bagginsww`	`man'ari is implied to mean "Gifted" in the ques tline`
`23:32.19`	`Bagginsww`	`well "Gifted" by Sargeras`
`23:32.48`	`Zeal`	`yeah, actually it's said as both in BC`
`23:33.18`	`Zeal`	`fear the contradiction`
`23:33.28`	`Bagginsww`	`in the quest line I'm referring to, the guy says don't consider us Eredar, that word has lolst meaning to us`
`23:33.41`	`Bagginsww`	`he tastes the word as if trying to figure its meaning`
`23:33.45`	`Bagginsww`	`"Digusting"`
`23:34.10`	`Bagginsww`	`I have a screeny`
`23:34.36`	`Zeal`	`either way, jsut because a certain faction of a species decides to rename itself, doesn't make it a race, it makes it a stupid faction led by arrogant sods..`
`23:34.48`	`Zeal`	`which oddly doesn't fit too well with Draenei`
`23:35.17`	`Bagginsww`	`and then blizzard called it a seperate race on their website too`
`23:35.25`	`Zeal`	`as they do dwarves`
`23:35.35`	`Bagginsww`	`this is just one of those examples where different authors have different interpretations`
`23:35.45`	`Zeal`	`said this already.. blizzard, when concering WoW, can't get it right, and aren't gettting it right.`
`23:35.50`	`Bagginsww`	`oh btw races have started for lesser reasons on earth`
`23:35.53`	`Bagginsww`	`race does not = species`
`23:36.06`	`Zeal`	`oh?`
`23:36.10`	`Bagginsww`	`all human races are the same species`
`23:36.38`	`Bagginsww`	`but races get created due to cultural, color, or religious boundaries`
`23:36.51`	`Bagginsww`	`largely minor reasons`
`23:37.08`	`sancus`	`the word 'race' has been continuously and horribly abused by RPGs since the beginning`
`23:37.34`	`sancus`	`draenei are a race, you only need minor cultural, linguistic, and historical differences to be called a different race`
`23:37.34`	`Bagginsww`	`this is not an rpg terminolo0gy this is earth terminology`
`23:37.36`	`Zeal`	`"Some scientists regard race as a social construct while others maintain it has genetic basis." is what race means XD`
`23:37.57`	`sancus`	`Most of the time when RPGs say 'race' they mean 'species'`
`23:37.58`	`Zeal`	`it means once again, humans suck at naming things..`
`23:38.15`	`Bagginsww`	`oh actually oddly enough the rpg has it right this time around`
`23:38.20`	`Bagginsww`	`for most "races"`
`23:38.20`	`sancus`	`yeah`
`23:38.23`	`sancus`	`well`
`23:38.32`	`Bagginsww`	`its blizzard online staff that misuses the word`
`23:38.38`	`Bagginsww`	`on their website`
`23:38.40`	`Bagginsww`	`sometimes`
`23:38.44`	`sancus`	`WoW doesn't really have race names`
`23:38.46`	`Zeal`	`well i'm going by genetics. Draenei were never changed, so no new race.`
`23:38.49`	`sancus`	`except for a very few races`
`23:38.52`	`sancus`	`like forsaken and draenei`
`23:39.10`	`sancus`	`night elves are night elves, and they're a species, not a race`
`23:39.33`	`Bagginsww`	`well I speak of blood elves and high eles are considered seperate races but not species int he rpg`
`23:39.39`	`Bagginsww`	`where as website mixes it up`
`23:39.46`	`sancus`	`yeah`
`23:39.52`	`Bagginsww`	`and says they are not seperate races, because of genetic the same`
`23:40.07`	`Zeal`	`yes, but what then do you call the High Elves who have split off and are no longer part of the High Elven faction?`
`23:40.10`	`sancus`	`yeah that's wrong`
`23:40.13`	`Zeal`	`same goes for Blood Elves`
`23:40.19`	`sancus`	`they're races`
`23:40.26`	`sancus`	`but they're all the same species`
`23:41.11`	`Bagginsww`	`according to the rp ghtye are the same species`
`23:41.14`	`Bagginsww`	`just different races`
`23:41.17`	`Zeal`	`basically, once again, if Blizzard can't decided or get it right, i'll do it for them as far as i'm concerned.`
`23:41.27`	`Bagginsww`	`like I said they got the terminology right`
`23:41.33`	`sancus`	`w/e`
`23:41.34`	`Bagginsww`	`whoever wrote the lore knows the distinctions`
`23:41.38`	`Zeal`	`yeah, well Blood Elves are easily a sub-species of High Elves.`
`23:41.39`	`sancus`	`No one really cares =)`
`23:42.01`	`Zeal`	`they didn't though Bagginsww, that's what i'm saying.`
`23:42.03`	`sancus`	`I doubt you have enough information to determine that`
`23:42.13`	`Zeal`	`and i care, because under my proposal, it would need to be done correctly.`
`23:42.25`	`Bagginsww`	`the rpg teams know the distinctons its blizzard online that doesn't know what race and species means.`
`23:42.43`	`Zeal`	`they can't get terminology write when the terminology itself isn't agreed on.`
`23:42.47`	`Zeal`	`*right`
`23:43.19`	`sancus`	`they prob dont really care since it hardly matters`
`23:43.39`	`sancus`	`the distinction doesnt really have any relevance to the game`
`23:44.16`	`sancus`	`And probably, some confusion is actually a good thing since it's a very confused concept in real life itself`
`23:44.19`	`Bagginsww`	`but in game Draenei and eredar may be same species but seperate races`
`23:44.38`	`Bagginsww`	`yes sancus you are right`
`23:44.53`	`Bagginsww`	`there are many anthropolgists that think we should drop the concept of "race" altogether`
`23:45.03`	`Bagginsww`	`because it breeds racism`
`23:45.07`	`sancus`	`g'luck with that`
`23:45.09`	`Bagginsww`	`bias`
`23:45.15`	`Zeal`	`lol`
`23:45.22`	`Bagginsww`	`my point is anthropologists hardly agree LOL`
`23:45.27`	`sancus`	`but yeah`
`23:45.35`	`Bagginsww`	`its very real to life`
`23:45.44`	`sancus`	`Most likely if someone brought this up in a blizzard meeting they would be laughed out of the door because there are much more important things to talk about :P`
`23:46.04`	`Bagginsww`	`Ya, unless it was with someone who was anthropological minded`
`23:46.06`	`Zeal`	`<Bagginsww> but in game Draenei and eredar may be same species but seperate races. <-- which is why that statement can never really be said unless the terminology is agreed on for the sake of the wiki.`
`23:46.45`	`Bagginsww`	`In wiki I always specifi what I mean when I say "race" using generally accepted earth anthropology definition`
`23:47.07`	`Bagginsww`	`not the badly equivocated version`
`23:47.26`	`Zeal`	`and other, including mysel,f would disagree with that view :p`
`23:47.37`	`Zeal`	`either way, aslong as it gets defined one way or the other.`
`23:48.12`	`Bagginsww`	`Ok let me put this into easier words, I use dictionary definition :p`
`23:48.20`	`Bagginsww`	`because we shouldn't have to create a new language`
`23:48.22`	`Zeal`	`hell i could just make it easy and change it to Specie:`
`23:48.24`	`Bagginsww`	`when we discuss things`
`23:48.44`	`Bagginsww`	`specie isn't singular I think`
`23:48.51`	`Bagginsww`	`that's form of currenty or something like that`
`23:49.06`	`Bagginsww`	`I made the same mistake a few weeks ago`
`23:49.19`	`Zeal`	`when language needs to play a part in the digital world, it does need he language correctly defined`
`23:49.31`	`Zeal`	`*the`
`23:49.45`	`Zeal`	`computer's don't handle chaos, the only know order :P`
`23:49.55`	`Bagginsww`	`Main Entry: 3race`
`23:49.55`	`Bagginsww`	`Function: noun`
`23:49.55`	`Bagginsww`	`Etymology: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza`
`23:49.55`	`Bagginsww`	`1 : a breeding stock of animals`
`23:49.55`	`Bagginsww`	`2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics <the English race>`
`23:49.57`	`Bagginsww`	`3 a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group b : BREED c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits`
`23:50.01`	`Bagginsww`	`4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition`
`23:50.03`	`Bagginsww`	`5 : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength`
`23:50.05`	`Bagginsww`	`race should never mean "species"`
`23:50.30`	`Zeal`	`3 essentially does`
`23:50.40`	`Bagginsww`	`no it says within the same species`
`23:50.46`	`Bagginsww`	`a single species`
`23:50.49`	`Bagginsww`	`different breeds`
`23:50.53`	`Zeal`	`yes, and new brreds result in a sub-species`
`23:50.58`	`Bagginsww`	`no`
`23:50.58`	`Zeal`	`so its the same thing`
`23:51.08`	`Bagginsww`	`sub-species are different`
`23:51.21`	`Bagginsww`	`a mastiff`
`23:51.25`	`Bagginsww`	`and a chiquahah`
`23:51.28`	`Bagginsww`	`are the same species`
`23:51.31`	`Bagginsww`	`different breeds`
`23:51.34`	`Bagginsww`	`but not sub-species`
`23:51.46`	`Zeal`	`(as a subspecies)`
`23:51.47`	`Bagginsww`	`caucasion and hispanic`
`23:51.50`	`Zeal`	`was that not clear enough?`
`23:51.55`	`Bagginsww`	`are not subspecies`
`23:51.57`	`Bagginsww`	`of human`
`23:52.07`	`Zeal`	`and they can evolve and change to that to the point of becoming a sub-species`
`23:52.09`	`Bagginsww`	`although consideres seperate, breeds/races`
`23:52.14`	`Zeal`	`*from that`
`23:52.16`	`Bagginsww`	`but it hasn't happened`
`23:52.30`	`Bagginsww`	`you are talking about something that is supposed to take place thousands of years`
`23:52.35`	`Bagginsww`	`you won't see it over night`
`23:52.48`	`Zeal`	`you do when magic is involved >_.`
`23:52.48`	`Bagginsww`	`btw anthropology is my major`
`23:52.50`	`Zeal`	`*>_>`
`23:53.00`	`Bagginsww`	`if magic or radiation is involved its not true evolotion`
`23:53.04`	`Bagginsww`	`its mutation`
`23:53.11`	`Bagginsww`	`I mean extreme mutation`
`23:53.14`	`Zeal`	`and anthropology is also the basis of your opinion, that was obvious enough though :P`
`23:53.24`	`Bagginsww`	`evolution is always natural`
`23:53.29`	`Zeal`	`no`
`23:53.32`	`Zeal`	`that is not true at all`
`23:53.43`	`Zeal`	`evolution does not have to be natural`
`23:53.45`	`Bagginsww`	`yes by darwinian definition`
`23:53.56`	`Bagginsww`	`if someone effects`
`23:53.58`	`Zeal`	`darwin rollseyes`
`23:54.15`	`Bagginsww`	`I mean someone sentient`
`23:54.21`	`Zeal`	`all evolution is the result of effects from something else..`
`23:54.27`	`Bagginsww`	`knows what htey are doing changes someone else`
`23:54.27`	`Zeal`	`and magic is sentient now?`
`23:54.35`	`Bagginsww`	`someone uses magic`
`23:54.43`	`Zeal`	`no, people don't need to use it`
`23:55.01`	`Bagginsww`	`and in warcraft the plot is always that magic comes form someone else`
`23:55.09`	`Zeal`	`no`
`23:55.14`	`Bagginsww`	`titans created the well of eternity`
`23:55.19`	`Bagginsww`	`its not a natural source of magic`
`23:55.28`	`Bagginsww`	`fel magic comes form demons`
`23:55.40`	`Bagginsww`	`source is always form sentient beings.`
`23:55.51`	`Bagginsww`	`night elves believe their magic comes from elune`
`23:56.01`	`Bagginsww`	`light may come from a sentient force`
`23:56.03`	`Zeal`	`everything natural would have been effected by something sentient at some point or another.`
`23:56.32`	`Zeal`	`just because you can't draw a direct and immediate line doesn't make it natural evoltion.`
`23:56.55`	`Bagginsww`	`so in true definition of evolution, what happens to races is not what would be considered true evolution.`
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`23:56.59`	`Bagginsww`	`maybe lemarchism`
`23:57.02`	`Hobinheim`	`i need a list of threes...`
`23:57.09`	`Zeal`	`3's ?`
`23:57.12`	`Hobinheim`	`i need inspiration for a forum avatar`
`23:57.16`	`Hobinheim`	`like mind body and soul`
`23:57.19`	`Hobinheim`	`or red blue and yellow`
`23:57.21`	`Zeal`	`O_o`
`23:57.24`	`Hobinheim`	`or blind broke and bedlam`
`23:57.27`	`Hobinheim`	`things that come in threes`
`23:57.30`	`Hobinheim`	`i can't find a good list anywhere`
`23:57.43`	`Hobinheim`	`and i'm short on examples myself =(`
`23:57.51`	`Hobinheim`	`like tank healer and dps`
`23:57.53`	`Hobinheim`	`lol`
`23:58.18`	`Hobinheim`	`sex drugs and rock and roll`
`23:58.54`	`Hobinheim`	`or the three wisemen`
`23:59.16`	`Hobinheim`	`then i need to not suck and make a gif out of it =/`

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