| 00:00.09 | Baggins | and then procedes to give you his father's quests LOL |
| 00:00.41 | Zeal | well that's not progression that's just lazy patching from blizz :P |
| 00:00.56 | Baggins | pseduo progression |
| 00:00.57 | Kirkburn | I wouldn't entirely agree |
| 00:01.07 | Kirkburn | It *is* time progression, of a kind |
| 00:01.12 | Baggins | btw as far as a timeline exists. WoW is more or less suppposed to be 4 years after Warcraft 3 according to most sources. |
| 00:01.35 | Baggins | and the intros for blood elves states that they join the horde 5 years after frozen throne |
| 00:01.42 | Zeal | i don't consider patching to be a progression of time. |
| 00:01.43 | Kirkburn | Time *is* progressing on WoW, and I'm pretty sure Blizz know how long everything is |
| 00:01.50 | Baggins | the draenei have just landed in the last "Month" |
| 00:01.52 | Kirkburn | It is though |
| 00:01.54 | Baggins | of the fifth year |
| 00:02.00 | Zeal | it isn't though :P |
| 00:02.12 | Kirkburn | TBC is most certainly a progression of time, at level 60 |
| 00:02.14 | Baggins | ya but as far as BC takes place its 1 year after WoW |
| 00:02.31 | Baggins | according to the Blood Elves introductin |
| 00:02.34 | Zeal | we have things being patched in after, that actually would have to occur prior to previous patches. that's not a progression of time. |
| 00:02.38 | Kirkburn | In fact, I take that back, it's a progression of time from level 1 |
| 00:02.48 | Baggins | the problem is the concept takes place 4 and year 5 |
| 00:02.54 | Baggins | after warcraft 3 |
| 00:02.59 | Baggins | the quests are everywhere |
| 00:02.59 | Zeal | and it's already clear levle progression != time progression |
| 00:03.03 | Baggins | across the timeline |
| 00:03.06 | Kirkburn | Zeal, what you're suggesting is that prior stuff become unavailable because it should have occured? |
| 00:03.20 | Zeal | huh? |
| 00:03.29 | Baggins | your basic original races are starting in year 4 |
| 00:03.35 | Kirkburn | Well how exactly do you suppose they make progression occur? |
| 00:03.38 | Zeal | no i'm saying if patching was done by order of time, it would have been different;y |
| 00:03.41 | Baggins | the draenei and blood elves are starting in year 5 |
| 00:03.44 | Kirkburn | There *is* progression because Blizzard say so |
| 00:03.59 | Kirkburn | How is it not in order of time? |
| 00:04.01 | Baggins | The progression is just kind of arbritrary |
| 00:04.14 | Baggins | some quests are out of order true |
| 00:04.20 | Kirkburn | Which? |
| 00:04.27 | Zeal | expansions are the only progression, and evne then, they have to go bakc and maintain links to the original time period. |
| 00:04.29 | Baggins | the SM vs. Argent DAwn |
| 00:04.34 | Baggins | for one |
| 00:04.41 | Kirkburn | In what way? |
| 00:04.52 | Baggins | You are sent to destroy Scarlet Monastery and kill Mograin at level 30 |
| 00:04.54 | Zeal | Naxx vs SM for example |
| 00:04.57 | Baggins | and yet he's apparently alive at 60 |
| 00:05.12 | Baggins | don't you even take his head? |
| 00:05.25 | Kirkburn | That's a case of canon v non canon death surely? |
| 00:05.25 | dotted | Baggins you prably dint do your job then :p |
| 00:05.30 | dotted | *probably |
| 00:05.42 | Baggins | well the story is you take his head as I recall |
| 00:05.50 | Baggins | and the guy evne comments on the fact you have his head |
| 00:06.11 | Baggins | and rewards you |
| 00:06.16 | Zeal | that bloody retarded to be honest. you can't have cannon and non-cannon events in wow. it's all either one or the other. |
| 00:06.17 | Kirkburn | That doesn't make it canon |
| 00:06.24 | Kirkburn | Yes you *can* |
| 00:06.30 | Baggins | plus horde vs alliance differences |
| 00:06.30 | Zeal | no, not at all |
| 00:06.32 | Kirkburn | Azuregos is not dead |
| 00:06.41 | Baggins | some quests have two outcomes based on what faction completes hte quest |
| 00:06.45 | Zeal | Azuregos will die at some point though. |
| 00:06.47 | Baggins | and two seperate storylines |
| 00:06.56 | dotted | Baggins no you dont http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=1053 |
| 00:07.01 | Kirkburn | We _do not_ know what is canon until Blizzard tells us |
| 00:07.05 | Baggins | thanks dotted |
| 00:07.09 | Zeal | exactly |
| 00:07.31 | Kirkburn | e.g. the alliance quest to kill the horde guy in EPl cannot have occured |
| 00:07.37 | Kirkburn | Because the horde get quests from him |
| 00:07.45 | Baggins | an attack on SM has occured according to one of the rPG books I think but I'm not awhare of it mentiong you attacking mograine |
| 00:07.54 | Baggins | *erm I mean the heroes |
| 00:08.13 | Baggins | however Tirion has not yet taken over the paladin order |
| 00:08.23 | Kirkburn | There are gameplay deaths and canon deaths |
| 00:08.24 | Baggins | He's still out there on the fringes |
| 00:08.32 | Kirkburn | A raid to kill Thrall is not a canon death, now, is it |
| 00:08.36 | Zeal | thats why he don't say wow is cannon. Blizzard take the events, and work them to their fitting later. there has been no implication of the events themselves not actually being true cannon events, only that they probably aren't going to happen in the order we do them, and i nthe way we do them. |
| 00:08.42 | Baggins | the truth is basically canon and non-canor quest lines |
| 00:08.49 | Zeal | *we |
| 00:08.57 | Baggins | it's not a matter of the death |
| 00:09.04 | Baggins | its if the quest line exists |
| 00:09.09 | Baggins | or not |
| 00:09.15 | Kirkburn | Yes, so what I'm saying is that, there is no conflicting time between patches because it's Blizzard showing canon and non-canon changes |
| 00:09.20 | Zeal | basically, we won't know the completely story until wow is dead, and we will onyl get small confirmations withh each expansion. |
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| 00:09.31 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Spell_Holy_HolySmite.png |
| 00:09.34 | Adys | whats up with it |
| 00:09.39 | Baggins | or the RPG |
| 00:09.40 | Adys | and 50 links to it |
| 00:09.46 | Baggins | the RPG gives some confirmations to certain events |
| 00:09.57 | Zeal | yeah, any other soruces afteer wow too |
| 00:10.03 | Zeal | meant to say that :P |
| 00:10.06 | Baggins | maybe the novels |
| 00:10.06 | Kirkburn | Adys, I see no problem? |
| 00:10.19 | Baggins | if any novels progress past year 4 starting date |
| 00:10.24 | Adys | Its linked to 25 different pages almost>< |
| 00:10.32 | Kirkburn | So getting back to the point, WoW:TBC _is_ a progression of time, because Blizzard have told us it is |
| 00:10.43 | Kirkburn | The lore even says "the ship crash landed 3 months ago" |
| 00:10.44 | Zeal | basically, the events in wow, are cannon, how they happen, what order they happen in, are not. that is merely gameplay. |
| 00:10.50 | Baggins | the problem is we don't know which is canon or not. |
| 00:10.56 | Zeal | i said there was time progression with the expansion |
| 00:10.59 | Zeal | just not patches |
| 00:11.20 | Kirkburn | Patches too, to a lesser extent |
| 00:11.28 | Kirkburn | e.g. the Sourge Invasion has happened and ended |
| 00:11.31 | Kirkburn | *Scourge |
| 00:11.31 | Baggins | patches each have backstory most of the time |
| 00:11.52 | dotted | i'd think patch 1.9 (AQ War Effort) would be a progression of time |
| 00:11.53 | Baggins | Scourge Invasion hasn't happened in RPG time |
| 00:12.11 | Baggins | Naxxrammas hasn't opened yet |
| 00:12.23 | Baggins | Kel'thuzud is still waiting in it |
| 00:12.29 | Kirkburn | Well yeah, but that's because they're not new enough :) |
| 00:12.32 | Zeal | yeah, but they are not progression. wow exists in a bubble of non-time. all this stuff, to us, can happen any order, even all at once. to blizzard, they their own story planned out. |
| 00:12.37 | Baggins | the Alliance is worried he may soon attack |
| 00:12.45 | Baggins | it was written after the fact |
| 00:12.53 | Baggins | and its set between Wow and BC |
| 00:13.02 | Kirkburn | Which RPG guide is this? |
| 00:13.10 | Baggins | APG and HPG |
| 00:13.13 | Kirkburn | You can't say between WoW and BC, that makes no sense |
| 00:13.13 | Zeal | *they have their |
| 00:13.22 | Baggins | WoW is year 4 |
| 00:13.25 | Baggins | BC is year 5 |
| 00:13.36 | Baggins | APG and HPG occur between that year |
| 00:13.38 | Kirkburn | Yes, but events overlap between the two |
| 00:13.50 | Baggins | that's what I've ben trying to rexplain |
| 00:13.56 | Kirkburn | Okay, fair enough :) |
| 00:13.57 | Baggins | as far as scenariou goes |
| 00:13.57 | Zeal | same |
| 00:13.58 | Zeal | lol |
| 00:14.06 | Baggins | WoW not counting BC is year 4 events |
| 00:14.12 | Baggins | BC begins year 5 events |
| 00:14.18 | Kirkburn | Yeah, that makes sense |
| 00:14.40 | Baggins | blood elves are set on the year 5 timeline |
| 00:14.44 | Kirkburn | But I do think that the patches are time progression is small ways |
| 00:14.45 | Baggins | of course they can go back and do year 4 events |
| 00:15.10 | Baggins | but some things that we assumed to be year 4 events may not be |
| 00:15.11 | Kirkburn | Even if it was just moving through year 4 |
| 00:15.24 | Baggins | but may occur before year 4 |
| 00:15.27 | Baggins | or even after year 4 |
| 00:15.31 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 00:15.35 | Zeal | they add events in time, but they don't progress the time. that was my point. |
| 00:15.46 | Zeal | possibly merely semantics |
| 00:15.54 | Kirkburn | I'm only suggesting weeks and months :P |
| 00:16.00 | Kirkburn | Not years or anything big |
| 00:16.07 | Baggins | which is why I've been trying to say that WoW doesn't have a static timeline it jumps across multiple periods |
| 00:16.21 | Baggins | even if the scenariou says its year 4 or year 5 respectively |
| 00:16.30 | Kirkburn | Zeal, e.g. 1.10 was a jump of a month or something like that |
| 00:16.30 | Zeal | i'm talking progression period. but here i'm using progression to have to be linear. |
| 00:16.36 | Baggins | oh and silithid have not yet attacked |
| 00:16.41 | Adys | ARGH |
| 00:16.42 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:WoW_Icons:_Spell_Arcane |
| 00:16.43 | Kirkburn | Baggins, lol |
| 00:16.54 | Adys | owlboy uploaded all the portal and teleport spells |
| 00:17.00 | Baggins | brann is still worried aobut what he has seen there |
| 00:17.06 | Baggins | and knows they will attack soon |
| 00:17.10 | Zeal | yeah, and i've said why it can't be adding a moth onto 1.9, but could be adding a month into the mix. |
| 00:17.14 | Baggins | and the alliance needs to get together |
| 00:17.15 | Kirkburn | infobot, hug Adys |
| 00:17.29 | Adys | infobot, hug me please :( |
| 00:17.36 | Kirkburn | Okay, we're all arguing semantics =) |
| 00:17.44 | Zeal | as i suspected |
| 00:17.45 | Kirkburn | infobot, kiss adys |
| 00:17.53 | Baggins | its the timeline issues that make me very hesitant to try to lock things down on a exact dates you know? |
| 00:17.55 | Kirkburn | infobot, I hate you |
| 00:17.56 | infobot | You hate you? |
| 00:18.01 | dotted | lol |
| 00:18.14 | dotted | infobot, is broken |
| 00:18.25 | Adys | ~emulate infobot |
| 00:18.26 | Kirkburn | infobot, why? |
| 00:18.27 | infobot | Because! |
| 00:18.34 | Baggins | I think the gates will open soon though, probably next book or two |
| 00:18.34 | Zeal | indeed baggins |
| 00:18.40 | Baggins | maybe dark factions |
| 00:18.46 | Zeal | and i will work with you on theu nofficial timeline when i get the time. |
| 00:18.52 | dotted | are the books any good? |
| 00:18.57 | Baggins | yes |
| 00:19.04 | Zeal | take it you mean rpg books? |
| 00:19.07 | Baggins | especially if you like Brann Bronzebeard |
| 00:19.17 | dotted | i like lore |
| 00:19.18 | Baggins | he's been the "author" of the last 4 books |
| 00:19.27 | dotted | hmm |
| 00:19.36 | Kirkburn | Aaaah! http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:DoubleRedirects |
| 00:19.53 | Baggins | but ya with the release of BC I think RPG will soon be progressing into year 4 |
| 00:19.55 | Baggins | *5 |
| 00:20.16 | Baggins | so they'll be more likely to lock down dates of events covered in WoW side of thigns |
| 00:20.36 | Zeal | Brann is basically an anthropologist |
| 00:20.39 | Baggins | the rpg has only recently cought up to year 4 |
| 00:20.45 | Baggins | and he quotes other people |
| 00:20.53 | Baggins | and he visits places for himself |
| 00:20.58 | Zeal | the RPG books are the result of his studies and travels |
| 00:21.00 | Baggins | to see what is really happening |
| 00:21.09 | Baggins | he's friends with both sides |
| 00:21.13 | Baggins | alliance and horde |
| 00:21.21 | Baggins | so he tries to get both sides of the story |
| 00:21.30 | Zeal | i hope the do that Baggins |
| 00:21.41 | dotted | cool |
| 00:21.46 | Baggins | He's rumored he wants to head to Outland next |
| 00:22.01 | Baggins | Lands of Outland heh heh |
| 00:22.01 | Zeal | didn't the last rpg book say he's already there? :s |
| 00:22.16 | Baggins | APG, hints that he is heading there |
| 00:22.19 | Zeal | basically how we know he didn't die in AQ, lol. |
| 00:22.56 | Baggins | HPG and APG are documents written over around the sam etime |
| 00:22.59 | Zeal | i still don't get how he was supposed to accidentily wander into AQ via a hive while the wall was still up |
| 00:23.27 | Baggins | for the same reason we can't take the tunnels in timbermaw hold that go to hyjal nad azhara? |
| 00:23.36 | Zeal | and then end up loosing the base of atiesh |
| 00:23.46 | Baggins | Heh heh |
| 00:23.47 | Zeal | and then escape the Qiraji and Silithid alive. |
| 00:23.48 | Zeal | lol |
| 00:23.57 | Baggins | ya, and he's definiitely scared of them. |
| 00:25.00 | Baggins | but ya we definitely won't get a lands of outland book until expansion I think. |
| 00:25.13 | Baggins | majority of the authors didn't have access to beta |
| 00:25.25 | Baggins | and for some reason Chriss Metzen wouldn't tell them much LOL |
| 00:25.36 | Baggins | guess wanted to avoid them releasing information via the books. |
| 00:25.43 | Baggins | *chris |
| 00:25.56 | Zeal | indeed |
| 00:26.02 | Zeal | either that or they were told to say that |
| 00:26.18 | Zeal | they did something like that before.. |
| 00:26.23 | Zeal | forget what it was about |
| 00:26.26 | Baggins | well they have stated they don't know much about what is going on in expansion |
| 00:26.28 | Zeal | ah yes.. Lordearon |
| 00:26.36 | Baggins | they didn't even knwo the draenei thing until it was announced to us |
| 00:26.46 | Zeal | the whole think with the stone keeper thingies there |
| 00:26.59 | Zeal | and sylvannas managing to bring thme under her control |
| 00:27.13 | Baggins | The extended lore about the War Golems |
| 00:27.24 | Baggins | actually based on WC3 mission as I recall |
| 00:27.35 | Baggins | that had the players going through those sewers |
| 00:27.40 | Baggins | and encountering the golems |
| 00:28.10 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:WoW_Icons:_Spell_Arcane |
| 00:28.13 | Baggins | but ya this is a matter where the RPG expands the universe beyond what the game can portray |
| 00:28.21 | Zeal | "Luke Johnson -- Wow RPG Developer from White Wolf Publishing did not wish to mark this Iron Golem as canon lore either, and kept the right to be silent on the topic due to NDA terms." |
| 00:28.57 | dotted | Adys whats wrong with it? |
| 00:28.58 | Baggins | Luke Johnson was hired after the fact |
| 00:29.02 | Baggins | looks like he's retconning |
| 00:29.08 | Adys | dotted: all the icons have been remade |
| 00:29.17 | dotted | :D |
| 00:29.23 | Adys | and they are not on the correct format |
| 00:29.48 | Adys | 66x67 instead of 64x64 |
| 00:29.52 | dotted | :S |
| 00:30.05 | Adys | Another example :http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Spell_Frost_Frost.png |
| 00:30.09 | Adys | all uploaded by OwlBoy |
| 00:33.09 | Baggins | alright that quote you made zeal was from afan |
| 00:33.12 | Baggins | pure speculation |
| 00:33.17 | Baggins | it wasn't quoting luke johnson |
| 00:33.31 | Baggins | it was speculation based on the fact that a later book never mentioned those golems |
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| 00:34.01 | Baggins | its the same kind of thing we deal with when people try to attack the books and say they aren't offiical. |
| 00:34.18 | Kirkburn | Adys, where's that list of all jpg icon links? |
| 00:34.27 | Adys | User:Adys/JPG I think |
| 00:35.42 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys/JPG |
| 00:36.16 | Kirkburn | Ooh, so few to go! |
| 00:36.20 | Adys | Yep >< |
| 00:36.33 | Adys | and prob not enough time tonight either |
| 00:36.42 | Adys | gotta go to the MC pug tomorrow early =/ |
| 00:40.34 | Zeal | yes.. and due to that mistake i've lost trust in blizz planet as a good lore resource. |
| 00:42.05 | Adys | Kirkburn, when you upload a file and get this message |
| 00:42.07 | Adys | File Spell Frost FrostBolt02.png uploaded successfully. Please follow this link: Image:Spell_Frost_FrostBolt02.png to the description page and fill in information about the file, such as where it came from, when it was created and by whom, and anything else you may know about it. If this is an image, you can insert it like this: [[Image:Spell Frost FrostBolt02.png|thumb|Description]] |
| 00:42.19 | Adys | Is it possible to add to the link "Please follow this link: ..." |
| 00:42.23 | Adys | a cache purge? |
| 00:42.35 | Adys | else you gotta reload to get the image right |
| 00:42.54 | Kirkburn | Doubt it |
| 00:43.11 | Kirkburn | Not sure you have purge on a page link |
| 00:43.17 | Kirkburn | s/have/can/ |
| 00:43.20 | Kirkburn | (arf) |
| 00:43.39 | Adys | &action=purge |
| 00:43.41 | Adys | iirc |
| 00:44.20 | Kirkburn | yes indeed |
| 00:44.21 | Zeal | indeed |
| 00:44.31 | Zeal | its on the help page you edited yesterday Kirkburn :P |
| 00:45.03 | Kirkburn | Problem: File $1 uploaded successfully. Please follow this link: $2 to the description page and fill in information about the file, such as where it came from, when it was created and by whom, and anything else you may know about it. If this is an image, you can insert it like this: <tt><nowiki>[[Image:$1|thumb|Description]]</nowiki></tt> |
| 00:45.37 | Kirkburn | Not sure I can add anything to $2 to make it work |
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| 00:47.04 | Kirkburn | hrm |
| 00:47.25 | Adys | guess its gonna be vlad_'s job then |
| 00:48.01 | Adys | can you try $2&action=purge? |
| 00:48.06 | Adys | doubt itll work |
| 00:48.08 | Adys | but never know |
| 00:48.23 | Kirkburn | Sec |
| 00:49.46 | Kirkburn | try now |
| 00:50.23 | Adys | slowwiki.com |
| 00:51.18 | Adys | got an internal error, trying again |
| 00:51.27 | Adys | i think i missclicked something |
| 00:52.30 | Adys | ok theres a small problem >< trying a last time |
| 00:52.46 | Kirkburn | ??? |
| 00:53.49 | Adys | nope doesnt work |
| 00:54.04 | Adys | it gives me a link to the image |
| 00:54.17 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=%3Ca%20href= |
| 00:54.43 | Adys | Spell Frost FrostNova.png uploaded successfully. Please follow this link: Spell Frost FrostNova.png&action=purge" class="external autonumber" title="http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Spell Frost FrostNova.png&action=purge" rel="nofollow">[1] to the description page and fill in information about the file, such as where it came from, when it was created and by whom, and anything else you may know about it. If this is an imag |
| 00:54.43 | Adys | st FrostNova.png|thumb|Description]] |
| 00:54.43 | Adys | Return to Main Page. |
| 00:55.38 | Adys | rolled it back |
| 00:57.02 | Zeal | O_o |
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| 01:08.09 | Kirkburn | Adys, ho hum :( |
| 01:08.22 | Adys | ho hum? |
| 01:13.58 | Baggins | hey kurk I think you just incured the wrath of you know who |
| 01:14.09 | Baggins | to reverting whatever you did to the knight page |
| 01:14.38 | Adys | Ok, my english sucks tonight |
| 01:14.52 | Adys | And with that, Im not totally sober |
| 01:15.02 | Adys | so can anyone correct eventual .. frenchism in http://www.wowwiki.com/GM |
| 01:17.27 | Kirkburn | Who's the oldest WoWWiki guy here? |
| 01:17.59 | Adys | probably you :P |
| 01:18.10 | Adys | or vlad_, maybe... |
| 01:18.26 | Kirkburn | Adys, fixxored |
| 01:18.35 | Adys | thankyoose |
| 01:18.38 | Kirkburn | I'm sure not me, I'm May 2006 |
| 01:18.45 | Kirkburn | Apart from vlad_ obviously :P |
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| 01:23.32 | Adys | 17:47, 12 July 2006 (hist) (diff) Darnassian (words) |
| 01:23.39 | Adys | oldest contrib :P |
| 01:23.47 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Darnassian&diff=prev&oldid=183927 |
| 01:24.04 | Adys | but as user im here still march/april |
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| 01:25.46 | Zeal | lol@knight |
| 01:25.54 | Adys | hehe awesome |
| 01:25.55 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20060724000617&limit=500&target=Adys |
| 01:26.00 | Zeal | Kirkburn, you do realize you're in the wrong in some of your "tidying"? |
| 01:26.09 | Kirkburn | Hmm? |
| 01:26.31 | Kirkburn | How where? |
| 01:26.44 | Zeal | don't worry |
| 01:26.47 | Zeal | i'll clean it |
| 01:26.51 | Kirkburn | No, where? |
| 01:27.52 | Zeal | Knight |
| 01:28.16 | Kirkburn | That wasn't me messing it up |
| 01:28.22 | Kirkburn | I rolled back theron's changes just now |
| 01:28.36 | Adys | kirk: check theron's talk page |
| 01:28.42 | Adys | was talking to baggins yesterday about it |
| 01:28.46 | Baggins | I know Kirkburn I was jus tletting you know |
| 01:28.54 | Baggins | he's getting on alot of people's nerves |
| 01:28.58 | Kirkburn | Hwaa? |
| 01:29.02 | Baggins | and getting multiple warnings |
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| 01:29.28 | Kirkburn | Oh you were about to tell me, I get you. I was wondering when you meant you were letting me know ^^ |
| 01:29.36 | Baggins | You make one edit to one of his "warcraft II" related pages and he jumps all over the edits |
| 01:29.46 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I've noticed before :/ |
| 01:30.01 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Theron_the_Just |
| 01:30.49 | Baggins | I asked ragestorm to give me an equal warning a few weeks back to make it seme impartial |
| 01:31.00 | Adys | anyways i almost wiped my lbrs group because im talking too much in here =P |
| 01:31.01 | Baggins | but he's been using the fact I got a warning to justify trashign my edits |
| 01:31.10 | Baggins | as if he's innocent |
| 01:31.13 | Adys | so ill see you later =) |
| 01:32.37 | Baggins | like check out htis quote; |
| 01:32.40 | Baggins | (I was told about warring once, so were you. I am not satisfied with anything until this is discussed troughout.) |
| 01:32.54 | Zeal | there, lol |
| 01:32.59 | Kirkburn | silly adys, lol |
| 01:33.02 | Zeal | Kirkburn, don;t remvoe the block quotes |
| 01:33.14 | Zeal | that's already in the 'style' guidline to use them >_> |
| 01:33.33 | Kirkburn | Argh! |
| 01:33.37 | Kirkburn | You used the old version |
| 01:33.43 | Zeal | no, i used both |
| 01:33.54 | Kirkburn | And removed the space between sections |
| 01:34.02 | Zeal | space? |
| 01:34.23 | Kirkburn | yes |
| 01:34.39 | Kirkburn | And the image was moved right because it messes with the text on the left |
| 01:34.55 | Zeal | urgh |
| 01:34.58 | Zeal | it's fine on the left |
| 01:35.03 | Zeal | it's supposed to do that |
| 01:36.00 | Kirkburn | No, it's not fine on the left, as it makes it hard to read on my screen |
| 01:36.06 | Kirkburn | It also breaks up the text flow |
| 01:36.17 | Zeal | hard to read? |
| 01:36.21 | Zeal | sigh |
| 01:36.35 | Zeal | how about we jsut outlaw float: left on the wiki? -_- |
| 01:36.38 | Kirkburn | Yes, if I'm reading an article, I don't want to be constantly moving page area |
| 01:36.47 | Kirkburn | Er, no? |
| 01:36.48 | Zeal | if you have trouble reading that, i'm scared for you. |
| 01:37.49 | Kirkburn | Text should not be squeezed on both sides |
| 01:38.00 | Zeal | it wasn't... |
| 01:38.06 | Zeal | it was alternated |
| 01:38.07 | Kirkburn | It was for me |
| 01:38.12 | Zeal | screen? |
| 01:38.17 | Baggins | hmm widescreen or standard? |
| 01:38.20 | Kirkburn | Anyway, it's a case of aesthetics |
| 01:38.29 | Baggins | what screen resolution? |
| 01:38.34 | Kirkburn | 1440x900 |
| 01:38.42 | Baggins | oww |
| 01:38.44 | Baggins | *wow |
| 01:39.10 | Kirkburn | Rarely will you find a competent typesetter squashing text like that |
| 01:39.10 | Zeal | i mean't screenshot |
| 01:39.25 | Zeal | ii'm on a lwoer resolution |
| 01:39.28 | Zeal | it's fine |
| 01:39.29 | Kirkburn | And I'm not doing one |
| 01:39.31 | Zeal | it was alternating |
| 01:39.49 | Kirkburn | Fair enough about the blockquote stuff though :) |
| 01:40.14 | Zeal | so.. now i need to readd clearing elements so thei mages are under the headers they are relevant to. |
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| 01:40.28 | Zeal | and shrink the images so the sections aren't too big.. |
| 01:41.20 | Kirkburn | Which are relevant to which? |
| 01:45.43 | Zeal | donededed |
| 01:47.13 | Zeal | i went by the fact one has a lordearon shield, and the other does not, and Theron seemed adimant to have them both under Lordearon. |
| 01:47.26 | Zeal | so put them under the different kingdoms |
| 01:47.37 | Zeal | though the first oen could have gone anywhere. |
| 01:47.48 | Kirkburn | Hey, why'd you revert my high elf change? |
| 01:47.50 | Zeal | except dark night |
| 01:47.53 | Zeal | me? |
| 01:48.03 | Kirkburn | Yeah, you did :P |
| 01:48.24 | Zeal | erm.. blame the wiki for that one |
| 01:48.29 | Zeal | edit conflict that didn't appear |
| 01:48.32 | Kirkburn | What, 40mins after my edit? |
| 01:48.35 | Zeal | all i did was add the clr :S |
| 01:48.48 | Zeal | weird |
| 01:48.56 | Zeal | trust me, i didn't remvoe the image :s |
| 01:49.19 | Kirkburn | Ah, I think I know |
| 01:49.22 | Baggins | hmm |
| 01:49.23 | Kirkburn | You used the link he provided |
| 01:49.30 | Kirkburn | It was an old revision =) |
| 01:49.40 | Kirkburn | (a link I made :P) |
| 01:49.43 | Zeal | who provided? |
| 01:49.57 | Zeal | i edited by double clicking.. |
| 01:49.59 | Zeal | :S |
| 01:50.00 | Kirkburn | On here |
| 01:50.01 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Manual_of_Style |
| 01:50.12 | Kirkburn | Under Images |
| 01:50.32 | Zeal | oh indeed, i di |
| 01:50.33 | Zeal | *did |
| 01:50.34 | Zeal | sorry |
| 01:51.13 | Zeal | that explaisn why the edit links weren't showing.. lol |
| 01:51.21 | Zeal | woops |
| 01:51.53 | Zeal | i wish it changed colour when editing or something |
| 01:51.56 | Zeal | make it clearer |
| 01:52.06 | Zeal | a heading at the top is so not helpful.. |
| 01:52.14 | Zeal | and older versions |
| 01:52.39 | Kirkburn | hehe :P |
| 01:52.58 | Kirkburn | Ooh, I shall fix the warning |
| 01:53.42 | Zeal | i think there is a preview div that could be coloured red or something |
| 01:53.54 | Zeal | dunno about old versions |
| 01:54.00 | Kirkburn | try it now |
| 01:54.24 | Zeal | hm? |
| 01:54.36 | Kirkburn | Editing an old version |
| 01:54.50 | Zeal | rofl |
| 01:55.01 | Zeal | i was taking about a cleaer indication over the whole page |
| 01:55.08 | Zeal | ie a border or a bg colour |
| 01:55.21 | Zeal | for long pages, you might miss the header |
| 01:56.22 | Zeal | blue for when viwing old versions, red for when editing. possibly purple or yellow for when editing an old version. |
| 01:56.25 | Zeal | soemthing like that |
| 01:57.11 | Kirkburn | Can't do that myself :/ |
| 01:57.23 | Zeal | aye, css stuff |
| 01:57.42 | Zeal | wait, you should be able to |
| 01:58.36 | Zeal | you did the header and edit tip stuff right? all you need to do is add a div open and close tags, and with the open one add "border: 2px red dotted" or something |
| 01:59.14 | Kirkburn | hrm |
| 01:59.34 | Kirkburn | Nah, wouldn't cover the whole page |
| 01:59.43 | Kirkburn | I can edit the text itself |
| 02:00.11 | Kirkburn | Wait, you may be right, sorry |
| 02:01.38 | Kirkburn | ooh |
| 02:05.35 | Kirkburn | Zeal, try now |
| 02:06.11 | Zeal | ah yes, perfect :) |
| 02:07.05 | Zeal | now blue for when viewing old versions ;) |
| 02:07.33 | Zeal | *viewing :p |
| 02:07.59 | Zeal | oh wait, it's red when editing old atm? |
| 02:08.22 | Zeal | that works too |
| 02:08.31 | Zeal | nvm then |
| 02:08.57 | Zeal | it's probably onyl me that sometimes forgets he's editing a page >_>; |
| 02:09.09 | Kirkburn | ^^ |
| 02:11.32 | Baggins | finished an article on "inscribers" anyone interested in runemasters may want to read it |
| 02:11.41 | Zeal | memememe |
| 02:11.41 | Zeal | lol |
| 02:11.48 | Baggins | LOL |
| 02:19.30 | Kirkburn | Can it be broken up at all? |
| 02:20.12 | Kirkburn | Cool stuff, but I think the first para is too long - sections maybe? |
| 02:21.14 | Kirkburn | Baggins, tell me when I can edit it, got some spelling to fix :P |
| 02:21.55 | Kirkburn | Baggins, ? |
| 02:22.01 | Baggins | oh fix what? |
| 02:22.06 | Baggins | sorry was typing some stuff |
| 02:22.12 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 02:22.19 | Kirkburn | Just some little things |
| 02:22.21 | Baggins | oh go ahead break it into how many sections you think it needes |
| 02:22.50 | Baggins | I'm finished with the stuff, unless I discover something later on in the skill articles |
| 02:23.00 | Baggins | but most of those are just gameplay numbers |
| 02:24.06 | Baggins | let me try to break it up just a sec |
| 02:24.30 | Baggins | ok one change how is that? |
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| 02:26.11 | Kirkburn | arf, you gave me an edit conflict :) |
| 02:26.16 | Baggins | sorry man |
| 02:26.43 | Kirkburn | np, was the same place I added one too |
| 02:26.50 | Kirkburn | Anyways, done |
| 02:26.59 | Baggins | Not sure how I merged it int he first place |
| 02:27.54 | Baggins | Zeal I'm not sure Azeroth the kingdom itself actually exists |
| 02:28.00 | Baggins | at this point |
| 02:28.13 | Baggins | it was destroyed ore replaces between warcraft 3 and WoW |
| 02:28.20 | Baggins | as is implied in Alliance Player's Guide |
| 02:28.21 | Kirkburn | That it is now, effectively, a new kingdom? |
| 02:28.32 | Baggins | ya a new nation that arose out the old |
| 02:28.37 | Kirkburn | Same area, but totrally replaced - would make sense |
| 02:28.59 | Baggins | there are a few places in the real world that changed their names |
| 02:29.05 | Baggins | Like Londinium become London |
| 02:29.08 | Kirkburn | s/totrally/I completely need to learn to type/ |
| 02:29.11 | Baggins | of course it didn't really change its name entirely |
| 02:29.16 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 02:29.29 | Baggins | Eire = Ireland |
| 02:29.33 | Baggins | does that work? |
| 02:29.37 | Kirkburn | Yeah, does for me |
| 02:30.41 | Baggins | I think Aeleas just doesn't lik the idea of some old nation being named Azeroth :p |
| 02:30.51 | Baggins | wants it to be entirely retconned out of history |
| 02:31.00 | Zeal | but it's not a new nation. all that happened each time was the capital (and therefore the rule of the kingdom) fell. eahc time rebuilt, same rule, same capital. therefore the kingdom itself never changed (probably losts some borders, but no kindgom in wow has borders defined) |
| 02:31.10 | Baggins | ok let's look at star wars |
| 02:31.17 | Baggins | There was the Old Republic |
| 02:31.28 | Baggins | now Old Republic lasted 20,000 years |
| 02:31.30 | Baggins | or or more |
| 02:31.46 | Zeal | i'm not big on sw lore but go on |
| 02:31.46 | Baggins | however Palpatine believes that old Republic was only around 1000 years in episode 2 |
| 02:32.07 | Baggins | The explanation was that there was a republic reformation on ruusan 1000 years before |
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| 02:32.15 | Baggins | so in affect there were two republics |
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| 02:32.19 | Baggins | although one arose out of the old |
| 02:32.21 | Kirkburn | Baggins, uh .... lol : http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Cenarius |
| 02:32.31 | Baggins | yes it was a silly way to explain a retcon but hey |
| 02:32.49 | Baggins | writers don't alway slike to let things go |
| 02:32.58 | Baggins | APG writers were hte same way heh heh |
| 02:33.12 | Baggins | and apparentlyt eh brady guide writer too |
| 02:33.20 | Baggins | and Horde Player's Guide |
| 02:33.43 | Zeal | yes, but i don't see implications of any reform or loss of the kingdom. the people in power didn't change either. |
| 02:33.46 | Baggins | course completly eliminating the idea that there was once a nation called Azeroth is just as bad |
| 02:33.51 | Kirkburn | How, uh, can anyone think Cenarius is a dragon!? |
| 02:33.52 | Baggins | it undermines many stories that use that term |
| 02:33.56 | Baggins | like Last Guardian |
| 02:33.57 | Zeal | ofc |
| 02:34.11 | Baggins | everyone in Last Guardian makes refrences to the nation of Azeroth |
| 02:34.32 | Baggins | well yes the nation is pretty much the same nation the most they did is just rename themselves for some reason |
| 02:34.42 | Baggins | for a while they were calling Stormwind "New Stormwind" |
| 02:34.52 | Baggins | that being the city of course |
| 02:36.04 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Cenarius |
| 02:36.16 | Kirkburn | I don't really see the problem |
| 02:36.22 | Kirkburn | with the SW thing |
| 02:36.45 | Zeal | yeah, but just because it's a change in use, i don't think it actually means the kingdom was renamed |
| 02:36.50 | Kirkburn | It's now called the Kingdom of SW, it used to be the KD of Azeroth, before it was destroyed by the orcs. Seems simple to me. |
| 02:37.07 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 02:37.12 | Zeal | as per my example with the uk, there is plenty of interchangable and convoluted ways to say it.. |
| 02:37.13 | Baggins | ya all source sin game in WoW all state "Kingdom of STormwind" |
| 02:37.32 | Baggins | even ingame books that refer to the old kingdom LOL |
| 02:37.56 | Baggins | however I've seen people refer to Budapest, as Buda and Pest in modern times |
| 02:38.06 | Baggins | as one being one side of the river and the other being the other side |
| 02:38.31 | Zeal | if i see a peice of lore rewitten and where it would have normally said Azeroth, it now says Stormwing, i'll accept the renaming of the kingdom. |
| 02:38.44 | Kirkburn | Now it's Istanbul, now it's Constantinole, no it's Istanbul, Constantinople, now it's Istan.... |
| 02:38.45 | Zeal | atm i just think it's blizz not knowing if they're coming or going again. |
| 02:38.48 | Baggins | ok I can show you one ingame book |
| 02:38.55 | Baggins | LOL |
| 02:38.58 | Baggins | ya I konw what yo mean |
| 02:39.00 | Baggins | some books use both terms |
| 02:39.05 | Baggins | or one of the other |
| 02:39.09 | Baggins | or how about modern times |
| 02:39.13 | Baggins | the city of petersberg |
| 02:39.22 | Kirkburn | I wouldn't want to live in Pest |
| 02:39.23 | Baggins | some people still call it leningrade |
| 02:39.31 | Baggins | stalingrad |
| 02:39.37 | Baggins | stalingrad right? |
| 02:39.39 | Zeal | and even if you can show me such a peice of lore, it then begs the question. retcon or IC rename? |
| 02:39.46 | Kirkburn | But then, you'd have to change religion to live in Buda ;) |
| 02:39.52 | Baggins | LOL |
| 02:40.23 | Kirkburn | Stalingrad, lovely name, lovely memories ..... |
| 02:40.40 | Baggins | grr |
| 02:40.53 | Baggins | now aeleas is saying Wow is the focus of the wiki so we should ignore the rpg |
| 02:41.02 | Baggins | we pretty much gave up that idea months ago |
| 02:41.03 | Zeal | Kirkburn, can we get Categories added to the nav? |
| 02:41.11 | Baggins | the rpg is beyond just the WoW |
| 02:41.14 | Kirkburn | Heh, note I change the WoWWiki:About page recently |
| 02:41.23 | Baggins | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Azeroth |
| 02:41.27 | Kirkburn | Comments like "If people considered Cenarius a son of Ysera then he would have to have been a dragon" really worry me :P |
| 02:41.41 | Kirkburn | Zeal, whaddya mean? |
| 02:42.25 | Kirkburn | Hey wait, what the hell |
| 02:42.35 | Kirkburn | You changed the "Library" front page linked page |
| 02:42.39 | Kirkburn | *who! |
| 02:42.48 | Kirkburn | gawd, my mind is going |
| 02:44.11 | Kirkburn | Ah, it was Varg, not watching where he was stepping |
| 02:44.11 | Baggins | lol |
| 02:44.25 | Baggins | What is aeleas' sissue... |
| 02:44.28 | Kirkburn | hmm, how to deal with this |
| 02:44.40 | Baggins | what is the big problem with Azeroth being former name used by the people of Azeroth? |
| 02:44.49 | Baggins | Even Brann knows that history :p |
| 02:44.55 | Baggins | and he' sinuniverse |
| 02:46.27 | Kirkburn | Zeal, cats are now linked from libraries on the front page again |
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| 02:47.36 | Kirkburn | "WoWWiki is a wiki dedicated to cataloguing Blizzard Entertainment's Warcraft Universe, covering the entire Warcraft series of games (with a focus on World of Warcraft), reference books, novels and online resources." |
| 02:47.49 | Adys | eh? |
| 02:47.52 | Kirkburn | I wrote the above as the mission statement |
| 02:47.56 | Kirkburn | Adys, heya |
| 02:48.03 | Kirkburn | Was following on a convo |
| 02:48.09 | Zeal | Kirkburn, that's so no useful though : / |
| 02:48.12 | Adys | fansite program thing? |
| 02:48.14 | Zeal | i meant in the nav list : / |
| 02:48.22 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:About |
| 02:48.28 | Kirkburn | Oh the sidebar? |
| 02:48.38 | Kirkburn | "nav list" means nothing to me :P |
| 02:49.20 | Zeal | yes |
| 02:49.25 | Zeal | any forget it |
| 02:49.37 | Zeal | the categories as they are useless for browsing.. |
| 02:49.39 | Baggins | focus is more on WoW mechanics |
| 02:49.45 | Baggins | lore is form everything |
| 02:49.46 | Zeal | *and |
| 02:49.57 | Zeal | so they can stay off it until they are |
| 02:50.06 | Zeal | *useful |
| 02:50.39 | Zeal | Baggins, what's the incribing topic? |
| 02:50.42 | Zeal | *artle |
| 02:50.45 | Baggins | Incriber |
| 02:50.45 | Zeal | **article |
| 02:51.07 | Kirkburn | Inscriber :P |
| 02:51.41 | Baggins | I left out an s LOL |
| 02:52.21 | Kirkburn | What I'm saying is: the wiki is about all of Warcraft, with a focus on WoW stuff (but not meaning it's overriding everything else) |
| 02:52.34 | Baggins | ya |
| 02:52.38 | Baggins | that's what I'm trying to say |
| 02:52.49 | Kirkburn | And I agree :) |
| 02:52.52 | Baggins | Aeleas thinks that if WoW says something it should overide the other sources |
| 02:53.03 | Kirkburn | That would be extremely foolish |
| 02:53.05 | Baggins | ya |
| 02:53.09 | Zeal | nah, i'm with runermaster over inscriber :P |
| 02:53.13 | Baggins | can you leave your thought in that discussion? |
| 02:53.15 | Adys | Hmmm, though I kinda agree |
| 02:53.24 | Baggins | runemasters are nicer |
| 02:53.32 | Kirkburn | Adys? |
| 02:54.00 | Zeal | thought i'm interested to hear mroe about arcane magic from the RPG |
| 02:54.14 | Adys | sec |
| 02:54.52 | Adys | my point is that wow is the world itself in development |
| 02:54.56 | Adys | changing perpetually |
| 02:55.09 | Zeal | cos outside the RPG, arcane is only existant as a bad form of a magic originating from the nether, released from the well (clever titans huh?), and now found throughout azeroth because of the sundering. :s |
| 02:55.12 | Adys | so its kinda easier to take wow as the "main world" |
| 02:55.20 | Adys | but keep the other sources cited eventually |
| 02:55.42 | Adys | as i said, its 4am here and im not <exactly> sober, so if i dont make sense nevermind me |
| 02:56.25 | Zeal | yeah, but some sources are running along side wow, overlapping, but more recent. those other soruces can also portray things better than wow can. |
| 02:56.37 | Baggins | ragestorm had me make the WoW template to give all sources equal standing |
| 02:56.55 | Baggins | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:WoW |
| 02:56.58 | Adys | zeal: do you have an example in mind? |
| 02:57.21 | Baggins | The rpg shows a more realistic view of political standings |
| 02:57.34 | Zeal | RotH, APG, HPG(?) |
| 02:57.39 | Baggins | ya |
| 02:57.44 | Baggins | even the novels |
| 02:57.58 | Baggins | that horde is still at peace with the theramore alliance |
| 02:58.07 | Baggins | Its the stormwind Alliance that's the problem |
| 02:58.14 | Baggins | a few quests in the game mention this |
| 02:58.17 | Baggins | but you have to look hard |
| 02:58.24 | Zeal | i keep for getting WotA released before or after wow or made along side beta? |
| 02:58.25 | Kirkburn | Commented |
| 02:58.35 | Baggins | after WoW |
| 02:58.41 | Kirkburn | Yup |
| 02:59.18 | Kirkburn | The novels are canon, excepting obvious mistakes, and most are very very recent |
| 02:59.24 | Zeal | nah, theramore aren't at peace. that disolved after what happened at theramore. |
| 02:59.26 | Kirkburn | When's DotA from? |
| 02:59.37 | Zeal | but it's certainly not hostile |
| 02:59.59 | Kirkburn | Cycle of Hatred is 2006, iirc, and obviously RotH is only a couple of weeks |
| 03:00.02 | Zeal | DotA? the wc3 game? :s |
| 03:00.03 | Adys | well DotA isnt official is it? |
| 03:00.09 | Kirkburn | DotD :P |
| 03:00.13 | Zeal | lol |
| 03:00.13 | Adys | Doh |
| 03:00.22 | Zeal | DotD was before wow i beleive |
| 03:00.32 | Kirkburn | Haha, you reminded me of the DotA song! |
| 03:00.43 | Baggins | well the first book of WotA came out pre-wow |
| 03:00.49 | Baggins | and with some copies of WoW |
| 03:00.54 | Zeal | sitting her in vent, playing dota. |
| 03:00.57 | Zeal | *here |
| 03:01.00 | Baggins | as a preorder special |
| 03:01.07 | Baggins | last two came out after wow |
| 03:01.09 | Adys | imo the point anyways is we should take official sources over the rest :) |
| 03:01.26 | Zeal | ah, it was probably drafted up along side the beta then, |
| 03:01.37 | Baggins | ya |
| 03:01.38 | Zeal | similar to RotH and BC |
| 03:02.07 | Baggins | DotA is? |
| 03:02.13 | Baggins | I know of DotD |
| 03:02.29 | Baggins | but ya Day of the Dragon was before Warcraft III |
| 03:02.34 | Zeal | custom wc3 game. Defense of the Ancients |
| 03:02.36 | Baggins | was part of Warcraft III's backstory |
| 03:02.42 | Baggins | oh of course not LOL |
| 03:02.52 | Baggins | if its fan made |
| 03:02.55 | Baggins | its not official |
| 03:03.04 | Kirkburn | Zeal, changed the front page link to say "Cats", I think it would be overkill for the sidebar though |
| 03:03.44 | Kirkburn | Adys, hoi, I hope you're not suggesting the books aren't official? :O |
| 03:03.49 | Zeal | lol, didn't need to make that change. i'm rather disinterested until i can navigate them :p |
| 03:03.53 | Adys | Some are not kirk :P |
| 03:03.57 | Kirkburn | I know :) |
| 03:04.05 | Kirkburn | All the ones on the wiki are |
| 03:04.29 | Zeal | there are unofficial books? |
| 03:04.37 | Baggins | Kirk anyway you can go over the timeline from Warcraft website, clean it up, spell checks and what not, and then lock the topic from editing. |
| 03:04.46 | Baggins | erm warcraft strat guide |
| 03:04.54 | Kirkburn | All these, Adys: http://www.wowwiki.com/Source#Novels |
| 03:05.01 | Zeal | i meant novel wise :P |
| 03:05.02 | Adys | aye |
| 03:05.15 | Baggins | unoffical books? |
| 03:05.21 | Baggins | like fanficition? |
| 03:05.25 | Baggins | *fiction |
| 03:05.39 | Kirkburn | Baggins, can do another time, about to go to bed |
| 03:05.48 | Baggins | thanks |
| 03:06.08 | Baggins | the reason that topic should be locked is its a complete quotation, and left as is for historical record. |
| 03:06.17 | Baggins | and the uppercase race names |
| 03:06.17 | Zeal | i've gotta stay up.. going away for the weekend in..5 hours |
| 03:06.23 | Baggins | that's how it was spelled in the book |
| 03:06.33 | Zeal | indeed |
| 03:06.38 | Baggins | don't want people trying to "fix" it |
| 03:06.51 | Baggins | that's what the unofficial timeline page is for |
| 03:07.00 | Kirkburn | Baggins, yeah, fine with that |
| 03:07.04 | Baggins | thanks |
| 03:07.06 | Baggins | have a good night |
| 03:07.07 | Zeal | both OSG and WoW.com yeah? |
| 03:07.23 | Baggins | Well wow.com is kind of a stub right now |
| 03:07.29 | Baggins | OSG one is finished |
| 03:07.39 | Zeal | oh.. i guess i'll do the WoW.com one if you wnat |
| 03:07.43 | Kirkburn | Whichever ones are 'direct' quotations, I can lock |
| 03:07.52 | Baggins | only OSG is direct quotes |
| 03:08.02 | Kirkburn | Well, paraphrased or whatever :P |
| 03:08.12 | Kirkburn | Whichever shouldn't change, I can lock :) |
| 03:08.13 | Baggins | http://www.wowwiki.com/Timeline_%28WoWOSG%29 |
| 03:08.19 | Zeal | WoW.com is going to be quoted right/ |
| 03:08.21 | Zeal | *? |
| 03:08.29 | Baggins | WoW.com is more paraphrase |
| 03:08.34 | Baggins | as most of the info form it can be found in other pages |
| 03:08.40 | Zeal | hm.. |
| 03:08.42 | Zeal | true |
| 03:08.43 | Zeal | kk |
| 03:08.57 | Baggins | especially since it has alot of warcraft 3 manual material |
| 03:09.07 | Baggins | which are in articles related to those topics LOL |
| 03:09.53 | Zeal | slowwiki.com |
| 03:10.50 | Baggins | waht is that? |
| 03:11.08 | Zeal | hm.. couldn't History of Warcraft and the WoW timeline be merged? save paraphasing |
| 03:11.31 | Zeal | it's nothing, lol |
| 03:11.33 | Baggins | Hmm, yes however rename it to the timeline as History of Warcraft also applies as the title |
| 03:11.41 | Baggins | of the OSG timeline |
| 03:12.07 | Baggins | you can make a note of it being called History of Warcraft in the topic. |
| 03:12.25 | Zeal | don't follow use Timeline (WoW.com) then first header ==History of Warcraft== ? |
| 03:12.29 | Baggins | the main thing though was actually dates kind of stop at -45 or so |
| 03:12.33 | Zeal | *follow, |
| 03:12.35 | Baggins | in that version |
| 03:13.23 | Baggins | at least I didn't see any dates after "45 years before Warcraft " |
| 03:13.29 | Baggins | did I miss any? |
| 03:13.58 | Baggins | we could just have a "See Also" link from that page |
| 03:14.02 | Baggins | to the History of |
| 03:14.17 | Baggins | I did at the top I guess |
| 03:14.32 | Baggins | oh history of warcraft is broken into many sections |
| 03:14.40 | Baggins | its more of a disambig page itself |
| 03:14.50 | Zeal | no mroe dates, but games are listed, so it can be extroplated accurately |
| 03:15.29 | Baggins | Its just unclear what version of dates for when those games were to take place. |
| 03:15.32 | Baggins | hmm you might want to check waybackmachine |
| 03:15.38 | Baggins | and see if that page has ever been altered |
| 03:15.45 | Baggins | over the last several years |
| 03:15.58 | Baggins | like if they added material or took material away. |
| 03:16.02 | Zeal | it's not unclear, as you jsut match it against the wow.com timeline itself :P |
| 03:16.14 | Baggins | oh wow.com timeline |
| 03:16.16 | Baggins | I missed that link |
| 03:16.18 | Baggins | that should be in that page |
| 03:16.31 | Kirkburn | G'night! |
| 03:16.32 | Baggins | I thought there was a more thourough timline |
| 03:16.34 | Baggins | gnight |
| 03:17.01 | Zeal | it's just never made sense for the timeline and the chapters to be seperated to me. you miss the date in he chapters, and you miss the events in the timeline. |
| 03:17.09 | Baggins | so we just merge those two together |
| 03:17.17 | Zeal | indeed |
| 03:17.25 | Baggins | well I say add the date to the chapters where htey were originally included |
| 03:17.31 | Baggins | and also merge the two timelines |
| 03:17.42 | Baggins | the fact both are from Wow.com is enough |
| 03:17.48 | Baggins | we just need to link to both |
| 03:17.58 | Baggins | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/timeline.html |
| 03:18.02 | Baggins | found the link |
| 03:18.06 | Baggins | I know I"ve seent hat before |
| 03:18.14 | Baggins | don't know why I wasn't finding it yesterday |
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| 03:18.57 | Zeal | well i was just going to link to the timeline, the timeline leads into chapter 1 itself |
| 03:19.36 | Baggins | alright you start adding in the dates into the history section |
| 03:19.40 | Baggins | I'll work on the timeline |
| 03:19.56 | Zeal | lol, i'm doing both at the same time already :P |
| 03:20.12 | Baggins | oh ok |
| 03:20.27 | Baggins | looks though like we could possibly lock that timeline page though |
| 03:20.31 | Baggins | once its complete |
| 03:20.44 | Baggins | only open it if blizzard alters the website |
| 03:21.31 | Baggins | switch the date for the event? |
| 03:21.39 | Baggins | look better that way |
| 03:21.50 | Baggins | I mean put event below the date |
| 03:25.13 | Baggins | I would conisder the WoW standard more appropriate because it will be the one familiar to the majority of WoWWikians, though even without privileging it in that manner, I think it's by far the least confusing and simpler approach.--Aeleas 22 |
| 03:25.14 | Baggins | grr |
| 03:25.42 | Zeal | whats that for? |
| 03:26.11 | Baggins | Aeleas is apparently very much WoW centric individual |
| 03:26.30 | Baggins | if its from something other than WoW must be not as valid |
| 03:26.54 | Baggins | Just as bad as being too Warcraft II centric, or Warcrart III centric |
| 03:27.04 | Baggins | or novel centric |
| 03:27.08 | Baggins | I've found people like that too |
| 03:28.31 | Baggins | People that are WoW centric often become anti-rpg or anti-novels too. |
| 03:29.10 | Baggins | trying to explain away any inconsistences by saying they are "non-canon" or invalid. |
| 03:29.28 | Zeal | well i don't think he's arguing validity, more he's arguing relevance. in which case i point to the newly revised mission statement |
| 03:29.46 | Baggins | He changed it again? |
| 03:30.17 | Zeal | "WoWWiki is a wiki dedicated to cataloguing Blizzard Entertainment's Warcraft Universe, covering the entire Warcraft series of games (with a focus on World of Warcraft), reference books, novels and online resources." |
| 03:31.03 | Zeal | all the info needs refrencing, but WoW is given more focus (not priority). |
| 03:31.07 | Baggins | exactly |
| 03:31.32 | Baggins | hmm, the term priority would be nice addition in there |
| 03:31.50 | Baggins | we should ask kirk to add that in |
| 03:32.09 | Baggins | (With a focus on World of Warcraft but not priority) |
| 03:32.24 | Zeal | i'm wondering if the timeline will get an update for RotH tbh. |
| 03:32.49 | Baggins | hmm I wouldn't be surprised |
| 03:32.59 | Baggins | btw how old is Ner'zhul in ROTH? |
| 03:33.06 | Baggins | he's implied to be like 150 in HPG |
| 03:33.28 | Baggins | one of the only refrences to time the book actually makes |
| 03:34.55 | Zeal | yes, but the wow timeline is essentially blizzard saying "this source takes place in this year" |
| 03:35.09 | Zeal | basically a look up for the story |
| 03:35.25 | Baggins | ya |
| 03:35.38 | Baggins | we just list the timeline lock it and be done with it |
| 03:35.44 | Baggins | doesn't have to be detailed |
| 03:36.04 | Baggins | blizzard sure didn't make it detailed? |
| 03:36.08 | Baggins | *... |
| 03:36.19 | Zeal | lol |
| 03:38.04 | Baggins | unofficial timeline is for that kind of thing ;) |
| 03:38.17 | Zeal | wow.. there is incosistancies here |
| 03:38.53 | Baggins | you found some? |
| 03:39.11 | Baggins | well the history of sargeras |
| 03:39.12 | Baggins | for one |
| 03:39.24 | Baggins | and eredar |
| 03:39.32 | Baggins | major retcon you know :p |
| 03:40.10 | Zeal | basically the timeline says Lord of the Clans takes place at 18. while the story says it took place over the course of 18 years, but after Grim batol/DotD, with took place at 10 years. |
| 03:40.23 | Zeal | *which |
| 03:40.36 | Baggins | LOL |
| 03:40.41 | Baggins | ya alot of stuff has had time rmeoved |
| 03:40.55 | Zeal | yeah.. but it's contrdicting itself :P |
| 03:40.59 | Baggins | I hear time reduction has affected blood and honor too |
| 03:41.14 | Baggins | with the age of Tirrion and his son |
| 03:42.33 | Zeal | darn : / |
| 03:43.28 | Baggins | I'm not sure but Blood and Honor may have been written using the old timeline |
| 03:43.34 | Baggins | by old i mean the RTS one |
| 03:43.48 | Zeal | hm.. when did it take place before or after the war ended? :s |
| 03:44.04 | Zeal | wait nvm |
| 03:44.07 | Zeal | answered myself |
| 03:45.23 | Zeal | trying to place stories after it though.. |
| 03:45.41 | Zeal | is it before Kel'Thuzad or the Alliance splits? :S |
| 03:46.18 | Zeal | would place them after 19 |
| 03:46.25 | Zeal | or before 19 basically |
| 03:47.32 | Baggins | not sure |
| 03:47.59 | Zeal | darn : / |
| 03:48.15 | Zeal | it makes no mention fo the state of the alliance or appearance of scourge? :( |
| 03:49.02 | Zeal | possibly that stormwind had been rebuilt? |
| 03:52.42 | Baggins | hmm |
| 03:57.25 | Baggins | So what are you doing exactly reading the entire article? |
| 03:58.11 | Zeal | i'm trying to find some clue as to when the alliance split exactly, from a source within those of the warcraft timeline. |
| 03:58.28 | Zeal | basically i need to know when that novel too place |
| 03:58.35 | Zeal | in relation to events from the story |
| 03:59.08 | Baggins | ahh |
| 04:00.29 | Zeal | ok it seems prior to the split |
| 04:00.34 | Zeal | but i can't be 100% sure : / |
| 04:01.33 | Zeal | wow.. hearthglen moved alot, rofl |
| 04:01.41 | Zeal | *far |
| 04:03.03 | Zeal | "In recent weeks the keep had been overrun with traveling dignitaries and representatives from the various nations of the Alliance, who passed through Hearthglen on their secret diplomatic errands. He had met with many of them in person, offering his hospitality and assistance wherever he could. Though the dignitaries were appropriately appreciative of his efforts, Tirion could sense a growing tension within all of them." |
| 04:03.12 | Zeal | "He suspected that they were charged with carrying dire news directly to the Alliance High Council. Try as he might, he could not discern the specifics behind their urgent communiqués. Yet Tirion Fordring was no fool. After thirty years of serving the Alliance as a Paladin, he recognized that only one thing could cause the otherwise stoic emissaries to be so troubled: War was returning to Lordaeron." |
| 04:03.30 | Zeal | makes me think the alliance was still there, but was reaching the split |
| 04:07.44 | Baggins | lol |
| 04:09.52 | Baggins | you reading from a book? |
| 04:10.03 | Baggins | or the website? |
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| 04:12.18 | Hobinheim | sad to say i wish there was some vandalism going on... just so i could use the [Ban Hammer[ |
| 04:12.36 | Adys | you missed two spambots |
| 04:12.44 | Adys | thats two permabans! |
| 04:13.05 | Baggins | LOL |
| 04:14.48 | Hobinheim | was that map guy banned? |
| 04:14.55 | Adys | no |
| 04:15.07 | Adys | we concluded it was ok |
| 04:15.37 | Hobinheim | yeah i was mentioning it earlier today |
| 04:16.26 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Twilight_Prophet wth |
| 04:17.06 | Hobinheim | wth what? |
| 04:17.12 | Adys | wth is this screenshot. |
| 04:17.21 | Hobinheim | poor ss, hehe |
| 04:17.32 | Hobinheim | LOL to satisfy the ss tag |
| 04:17.36 | Hobinheim | e for effort |
| 04:18.07 | Hobinheim | hey, something is better than nothing. work in progress =) |
| 04:18.27 | Adys | he could at least remove UI >< |
| 04:23.07 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Timeline_%28wow.com%29 |
| 04:24.58 | Baggins | zeal good job but you need to put the - sign in front of anything before year 0 |
| 04:25.30 | Zeal | oh, i forgot? shit |
| 04:26.00 | Zeal | done, lol |
| 04:27.59 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:SteadyShot.png NOOOOOO |
| 04:28.06 | Adys | DIE INSECT |
| 04:28.09 | Adys | ARGH |
| 04:28.17 | Zeal | not to delete history of warcraft and redirect it there or leave it? i'm in favor of deleting it tbh, it's redundant and there is no need to keep the chapter stuff. |
| 04:28.24 | Zeal | *now |
| 04:31.09 | Hobinheim | adys, i don't see an image, broken? |
| 04:31.15 | Adys | just deleted it |
| 04:31.25 | Adys | Image:Ability_Hunter_SteadyShot.png |
| 04:31.29 | Zeal | gah.. |
| 04:31.34 | Zeal | and i just edited it >_> |
| 04:31.55 | Zeal | oh crossed wires nvm |
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| 06:03.25 | Adys | RC spam woo |
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| 06:48.37 | Adys | gosh, this icon recleaning is even more boring then the icon uploading |
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| 07:03.33 | Baggins | well I'm done with the WoWRPG timeline |
| 07:03.36 | Baggins | finally |
| 07:03.40 | Adys | grats =) |
| 07:03.40 | Baggins | now I can rest heh heh |
| 07:04.10 | Baggins | It has a couple of inconsistencies I noticed for one, it says jungle trolls when it should say forest trolls |
| 07:04.21 | Baggins | and it also implies that illidan killed Mannaroth LOL |
| 07:04.48 | Baggins | So I put a warning at the beginning of the topic LOL like I did with the official strategy guide one |
| 07:05.25 | Baggins | That I typed it out word for word for publishing record, and not to "fix" any mistakes as they were part of the source. |
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| 08:04.40 | Adys | ello amro |
| 08:04.53 | amro | hi |
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| 08:45.20 | Zeal | i can see an edit war possible, but i'm away for the weekend. vote on if you decide to revert (this is why i didn't redirect the talk page) http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:History_of_Warcraft |
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| 09:22.39 | Aquila | hey |
| 09:23.04 | Apollozeus | hello |
| 09:24.10 | Aquila | anyone here know what the lowest lvl Warp Stalker you can tame is in TBC? |
| 09:26.22 | Apollozeus | try petopia |
| 09:36.07 | Aquila | ugh lvl 63+ |
| 09:36.10 | Aquila | lame :/ |
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| 12:16.33 | Aquila | anyone here an expert on mages? |
| 12:24.18 | sancus | yes, but I'm afraid it's sleep time, so if you want a dissertation on why bliz sucks, you'll have to wait 'til tomorrow |
| 12:24.38 | sancus | if you have a quick question tho, by all means! |
| 12:30.45 | Apollozeus | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/01/05/exalted-with-exodar/ |
| 12:31.13 | Apollozeus | crazy people... :P |
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| 12:45.05 | Aquila | lol sancus |
| 12:45.07 | sancus | no idea why people like that play WoW |
| 12:45.10 | sancus | it has nothing to offer them |
| 12:45.14 | sancus | it's not a grinder's game |
| 12:45.28 | Aquila | what's better for pve, fire or frost? |
| 12:45.37 | sancus | you'll have to be more specific |
| 12:45.45 | sancus | pve as in raiding, pve as in levelling, pve as in 5-mans?? |
| 12:45.49 | sancus | farming? |
| 12:47.40 | sancus | current level 60 or looking towards BC? |
| 12:49.35 | Aquila | lvling |
| 12:49.38 | Aquila | from lv 1 |
| 12:49.39 | Aquila | to 70 |
| 12:49.44 | Aquila | with a bit of pvp mixedi n |
| 12:49.46 | Aquila | in* |
| 12:49.47 | sancus | frost |
| 12:49.58 | Aquila | right from lv 1? |
| 12:50.04 | sancus | yes |
| 12:50.07 | sancus | well |
| 12:50.12 | sancus | you dont get talent points until 10 right so.. |
| 12:50.21 | Aquila | well u kno what i mean |
| 12:50.33 | sancus | It's fairly arguable, though, for early levels, because you dont have a lot of talent points to spend |
| 12:50.51 | sancus | for 60 to 70 I plan to be deep frost for sure |
| 12:50.59 | Aquila | and if i did go frost, how would it be? 10 arcan 41 frost? |
| 12:51.02 | sancus | everything can be frozen so shatter++ and no one breaks your novas or frostbites early |
| 12:51.12 | sancus | yea about that |
| 12:51.13 | Aquila | i been figuring out the most useful points to add frost into but there's too many possibilities |
| 12:51.32 | Aquila | i was thinkin of dropping the arcane talents |
| 12:51.35 | Aquila | and going full 51 |
| 12:51.40 | Aquila | can u really notice CC? |
| 12:52.07 | Aquila | it would be nicer w/ fire since u get imp. scorch |
| 12:52.14 | Aquila | and have the 10% chance to stun |
| 12:52.24 | Aquila | and fire vunerability |
| 12:53.16 | sancus | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=of0VZZVVGcobxoiot |
| 12:53.20 | sancus | that's prob what I'd do for levelling |
| 12:53.32 | sancus | you can arguably take the 10 points out of arcane entirely, but meh |
| 12:53.44 | sancus | I like clearcast and you don't really get anything all that great instead |
| 12:53.57 | Adys | http://www.wowledgebase.com/rep.jpg lolz |
| 12:54.03 | sancus | With that build you can already practically pick up the mushroom thing in zangarmarsh that restores 200 mana when you kill a mob and almost never have to drink |
| 12:54.07 | sancus | (with evoc) |
| 12:54.37 | sancus | There's also some argument to be made for an arcane/frost build, you'll do more damage, but you'll be much easier to kill |
| 12:54.44 | sancus | Given that I'm playing on a PvP server, I dont like that |
| 12:56.11 | Aquila | same |
| 12:57.09 | sancus | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=RZZVAGsofxsiot |
| 12:57.13 | sancus | could also go pure frost |
| 12:57.41 | sancus | The one problem with that is you're going to want to drop it for a frost/arcane build once you hit 70 |
| 12:57.47 | sancus | because improved CS is too good not to have |
| 12:58.04 | sancus | this is all solo of course |
| 12:58.15 | sancus | If you plan to do a lot of instancing, I'd go deep fire because it makes frost look like a joke |
| 12:58.33 | sancus | for damage output in 5-mans and raids for that matter |
| 12:59.30 | Aquila | no permafrost or imp. blizzard? |
| 12:59.37 | sancus | I'm going to miss the free respecs from beta, I wish they'd realize how much more fun that would make the game :/ |
| 12:59.45 | Aquila | lol |
| 12:59.58 | sancus | I put one point in it in the deep frost build |
| 13:00.05 | sancus | but no imp blizzard, no, that talent sucks |
| 13:00.21 | sancus | unless you're doing pure aoe grinding, which is boring as all hell, and anyway is heavily nerfed due to the aoe caps |
| 13:00.29 | Aquila | farmin only eh? |
| 13:00.38 | sancus | for questing most of the time you're going to be killing mobs single target not aoe |
| 13:00.38 | Aquila | but that's like 12 targets |
| 13:00.43 | Aquila | people actually aoe 12 at a time? |
| 13:00.45 | Aquila | 12+ |
| 13:00.49 | sancus | it's not 12 targets :p |
| 13:00.53 | sancus | It's a specific amount of damage |
| 13:00.55 | Aquila | i heard it was |
| 13:01.06 | Aquila | 12 targets 12+ u get penalized |
| 13:01.10 | sancus | nope |
| 13:01.24 | sancus | It's roughly 10 targets if your +dmg is mediocre, but it's a static amount of damage |
| 13:01.37 | sancus | So the more +dmg you get, the fewer mobs you can aoe before you start getting capped |
| 13:02.40 | sancus | But anyway it's unlikely you'll aoe grind while you're levelling to 70, and if you do, Improved Cone of Cold and Shatter is better than Blizzard slowboating |
| 13:05.51 | Aquila | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.56 | Aquila | not to mention crits way more |
| 13:06.03 | Aquila | winter's chill never ends and stacks 5 times |
| 13:07.20 | sancus | um |
| 13:07.23 | sancus | blizzard can't crit |
| 13:07.25 | sancus | at all |
| 13:07.50 | sancus | And if it procs frostbite, you have a problem, because the mobs you are kiting will now be seperated, which means that it will be harder to blizzard them all at the same time |
| 13:08.17 | sancus | That's why the loser aoe grinding crowd whined constantly until they removed frostbite as a prereq for shatter, as having frostbite makes blizzard grinding much harder |
| 13:09.36 | Aquila | ah lmao |
| 13:09.45 | Aquila | but they can be frozen, so they should shatter |
| 13:09.49 | Aquila | and be able to crit... |
| 13:09.54 | Aquila | it's not like it's DoT |
| 13:10.03 | Aquila | well, in a way it i |
| 13:10.04 | Aquila | is* |
| 13:10.59 | sancus | channeled spells, as a rule, don't crit |
| 13:11.17 | sancus | The only channeled spell in the game that crits is Arcane Missiles, and that's likely because it would be completely useless instead of just fairly bad if it didn't :P |
| 13:11.49 | Aquila | lol |
| 13:11.55 | Aquila | so Arcane Missles high lvl = out of the question? |
| 13:12.05 | Aquila | cause low lvl it rocked, i have a 21 mage but on a pve server = boring |
| 13:12.14 | sancus | it's pretty useless |
| 13:12.18 | Aquila | pve anyways |
| 13:12.23 | Aquila | pvp i can't see it rocking |
| 13:12.28 | sancus | yes completely useless in pve |
| 13:12.33 | Aquila | lol |
| 13:12.42 | sancus | in pvp it's somewhat useful for catching runners and stuff, especially in like, battlegrounds and other non-skilled pvp |
| 13:13.03 | sancus | in arena though it's terrible because anyone with half a brain will just interrupt you while you stand there channeling for 5 minutes |
| 13:14.11 | Aquila | lolll |
| 13:14.16 | sancus | I couldnt go deep arcane though |
| 13:14.17 | Aquila | true |
| 13:14.23 | sancus | Ice Lance is far too $$ to ever go deep arcane in BC |
| 13:14.50 | Aquila | Slow does sound very nice though |
| 13:15.01 | sancus | slow sucks |
| 13:15.08 | Aquila | o :X |
| 13:15.12 | sancus | everyone uses instants in pvp and slow doesn't affect those |
| 13:15.24 | sancus | it doesnt even slow melee attack speed anymore, just casting speed |
| 13:15.37 | sancus | and practically everyone who actually DOES use casting time spells can just dispel it anyway |
| 13:15.43 | sancus | and yes, you can slap it right back on |
| 13:15.51 | sancus | But the mana cost makes that war a losing battle |
| 13:16.21 | Aquila | mmm i spose |
| 13:16.26 | Aquila | so water elemental rocks? |
| 13:16.30 | sancus | plus ice block is pretty much requird for lv 70 pvp |
| 13:16.30 | Aquila | apart from vs. warlock :x |
| 13:16.39 | sancus | yeah it rules |
| 13:16.42 | sancus | it rules against warlocks too |
| 13:16.46 | Aquila | vs. lock = gg |
| 13:16.48 | Aquila | banish |
| 13:16.50 | Aquila | and wave goodbye |
| 13:16.59 | sancus | It's great when a warlock tries to Banish my water elemental |
| 13:17.04 | Aquila | y |
| 13:17.06 | Aquila | stun? |
| 13:17.08 | sancus | casting time spell = gg counerspelled |
| 13:17.11 | Aquila | sepell |
| 13:17.11 | sancus | er counterspelled |
| 13:17.12 | Aquila | loll |
| 13:17.13 | Aquila | yea |
| 13:17.18 | Aquila | i thought u'd say that |
| 13:17.22 | Aquila | gottabe damn quick though |
| 13:17.24 | Aquila | 1.5 sec |
| 13:17.27 | Aquila | c time |
| 13:17.28 | sancus | It's only 1.5s casting time, but the built-in casting bars makes it a lot easier |
| 13:17.34 | Aquila | yea |
| 13:17.37 | Aquila | which one do u use? |
| 13:17.50 | Aquila | Natur EnemyCastBar here |
| 13:17.53 | sancus | er |
| 13:18.07 | sancus | I just use ag unit frames, the enemy cast bars are built-in to the UI now, any unit frame has 'em |
| 13:18.12 | Aquila | i LOVE it, shows up anyone in a certain range who uses any skill |
| 13:18.18 | Aquila | this is so much better |
| 13:18.27 | Aquila | i know when a mage or anythin is around without even seein it |
| 13:18.38 | Aquila | so i kno to get rdy to fight or if it's same faction |
| 13:18.49 | Aquila | plus it manages ur DoTs |
| 13:18.53 | Aquila | and effects |
| 13:18.59 | Aquila | like freeze etc. |
| 13:19.03 | sancus | eh |
| 13:19.09 | Aquila | u def. gotta d/l it |
| 13:19.25 | sancus | I dont have any dots, and if I don't know when my freezes and polys end after playing WoW for 2 and a half years, I dunno what I've been doing all this time |
| 13:19.34 | Aquila | LOL |
| 13:19.40 | Aquila | 2 and 1/2 year :X |
| 13:19.56 | Aquila | i'm guessing u got ur 50k gold or w/e it is for flyin mount saved up? |
| 13:19.58 | sancus | yea |
| 13:19.59 | Aquila | or is it 5k |
| 13:20.00 | Aquila | i can't rmb |
| 13:20.04 | sancus | um, 5k |
| 13:20.08 | Aquila | lol yea |
| 13:20.25 | Aquila | how many 60s u got? |
| 13:20.28 | Aquila | 8? |
| 13:20.29 | sancus | anyhow, well past sleep time |
| 13:20.41 | sancus | I only have one 60, I hate levelling. |
| 13:20.45 | Aquila | ah lmao |
| 13:20.55 | Aquila | i do to...bg distracts me TOO much |
| 13:21.00 | sancus | levelling is the crap you have to go through to get to the real game |
| 13:21.09 | Aquila | like right now, i have a 44 hunter, 32 priest, 42 lock |
| 13:21.12 | sancus | no way I could stomach levelling an alt |
| 13:21.16 | Aquila | priest + hunter on the pvp server |
| 13:21.21 | Aquila | i love hunter for pvp though |
| 13:22.22 | Aquila | anyways, Blazing Speed looks so temping to spec fire |
| 13:25.14 | Aquila | still there? |
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| 15:13.10 | Adys | Ello kirk |
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| 15:15.11 | Andr31 | Hello |
| 15:15.19 | Adys | ello |
| 15:18.21 | Andr31 | Is it true that Northrend will be the new expansion for WoW? |
| 15:18.30 | Adys | Mebbe |
| 15:20.22 | Andr31 | Where i could get WoW emu for TBC version 5991? |
| 15:20.24 | Andr31 | :d |
| 15:20.57 | Adys | dont think thats the right channel to ask |
| 15:21.03 | Andr31 | me neither |
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| 15:40.34 | Kirkburn | Why, WHY must we have an odd number of policies :( |
| 15:41.07 | dotted | hmm how do you make those custom sigs? |
| 15:42.11 | dotted | i mean i made the User:Dotted/Sig page (altho poorly), but how to make it your signature? |
| 15:43.07 | dotted | i could use {{User:Dotted/Sig}}, but then i wont get time and date :/ |
| 15:44.13 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 15:44.21 | Kirkburn | I use an interesting method |
| 15:44.57 | Kirkburn | dotted, go to you preferences |
| 15:45.25 | Kirkburn | Enter -- {{SUBST:User:Dotted/Sig}} into the nickname box, and tick raw signatures |
| 15:45.25 | dotted | ye? |
| 15:46.07 | Kirkburn | It'll use that instead when you type ~~~~ (and does date) |
| 15:46.33 | Kirkburn | However, I go one step futher to make mine insert a template as my sig instead of code |
| 15:46.47 | dotted | sweet, thanks :) |
| 15:47.23 | dotted | hmm, whats the benefit from doing that? |
| 15:47.26 | Kirkburn | I have my sig code in User:Kirkburn/Sig, but then I have User:Kirkburn/SigX which pulls in the first thing as a template |
| 15:47.43 | Kirkburn | And then I link the nickname box to the SigX page |
| 15:48.02 | Kirkburn | I have a lot of code in my signature :P |
| 15:48.20 | dotted | i have more :< |
| 15:48.59 | Tekkub | ugh |
| 15:49.05 | Tekkub | I need motivation damnit |
| 15:49.12 | Tekkub | I don't wanna do nothin today |
| 15:49.17 | Tekkub | I should work on DB for work |
| 15:49.28 | Tekkub | I shoudl work on addons for 2.0... |
| 15:49.30 | Tekkub | but... |
| 15:49.30 | Tekkub | meh |
| 15:52.13 | dotted | i wish i could make addons :/ |
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| 15:56.38 | dotted | http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1859ux7.jpg LOL? |
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| 16:21.20 | Kirkburn | hrm? |
| 16:21.27 | dotted | idd |
| 16:21.28 | Kirkburn | dotted, where's that from? |
| 16:21.48 | Kirkburn | (the screenshot) |
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| 16:22.06 | dotted | well the tauron is in UC if thats what you mean |
| 16:22.28 | dotted | looks fake imo |
| 16:30.26 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I think so |
| 16:34.39 | dotted | or atleast made on EMU |
| 16:38.58 | dotted | http://worldofraids.free.fr/bc/diagramm.jpg getting attuned in BC is gonna be so much fun :< |
| 16:45.49 | Kirkburn | Yeah, asked on wowi-lounge, they think it's fake too |
| 16:45.58 | Kirkburn | Hey, it's not a bad thing |
| 16:46.08 | Apollozeus | it's not fake |
| 16:46.12 | Kirkburn | You don't have to do much repetitive stuff, and it makes you go everywhere :) |
| 16:46.21 | Apollozeus | second |
| 16:46.22 | Kirkburn | Apollozeus, ? |
| 16:46.31 | Apollozeus | err, nvm |
| 16:46.39 | Apollozeus | <dotted> http://worldofraids.free.fr/bc/diagramm.jpg getting attuned in BC is gonna be so much fun :< |
| 16:46.39 | Apollozeus | <@Kirkburn> Yeah, asked on wowi-lounge, they think it's fake too |
| 16:46.43 | Kirkburn | I was talking about the item at first :P |
| 16:46.44 | Apollozeus | I thought this was somehow related |
| 16:46.45 | Apollozeus | my bad |
| 16:46.46 | Apollozeus | :P |
| 16:46.50 | Kirkburn | hehe, sorry |
| 16:47.12 | Apollozeus | but on the attunement |
| 16:47.22 | Apollozeus | it really makes being level 70 worth it |
| 16:47.40 | Apollozeus | instead of just raiding raiding raiding etc. |
| 17:03.55 | dotted | Apollozeus [dotted]: http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1859ux7.jpg LOL? |
| 17:04.36 | Apollozeus | lol |
| 17:04.44 | Apollozeus | "still dripping with mannoroth's blood" |
| 17:05.40 | dotted | looks like Hyjal is gonna be tier 6 |
| 17:07.19 | Apollozeus | tier 6? |
| 17:07.33 | Apollozeus | lol, is that even in the game yet? |
| 17:07.42 | dotted | no |
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| 17:08.05 | Apollozeus | where did you get that info then :p |
| 17:08.20 | dotted | but you have kill Lady Vashj to even get attuned there |
| 17:08.28 | dotted | WoR where else :P? |
| 17:08.56 | Apollozeus | Black Temple? |
| 17:09.26 | dotted | getting attuned to Hyjal is like Ony attunement only 100 times worse |
| 17:09.26 | Apollozeus | I doubt they're going to release tier 6 right away |
| 17:09.26 | dotted | no they wont |
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| 17:09.26 | Baggins | Hey kirkburn |
| 17:09.30 | Apollozeus | so there's your answer |
| 17:09.40 | Baggins | answer? |
| 17:09.47 | Apollozeus | I said that to dotted |
| 17:09.47 | Apollozeus | :P |
| 17:09.52 | Apollozeus | <Apollozeus> I doubt they're going to release tier 6 right away |
| 17:09.52 | Apollozeus | <dotted> no they wont |
| 17:09.52 | Apollozeus | * Baggins (n=Baggins@adsl-69-225-0-102.dsl.skt2ca.pacbell.net) has joined #wowwiki |
| 17:09.52 | Apollozeus | <Baggins> Hey kirkburn |
| 17:09.52 | Apollozeus | <Apollozeus> so there's your answer |
| 17:09.56 | Aquila | any shadow priests here? |
| 17:10.12 | Apollozeus | me, but only lvl 33 |
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| 17:11.06 | Baggins | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Azeroth |
| 17:11.22 | dotted | Apollozeus you know those BoP Blacksmith craftable weapons, their are 3 tiers - i'd pressume its tier 4 to tier 6 quaility weapons (the tier 6 requires Nether Vortexes or what ever, which havent been seen ingame yet either) |
| 17:11.49 | Baggins | I'm not sure why Aeleas thinks it should be one or the other but can't be both. |
| 17:12.30 | Apollozeus | the reason why they're not in the game yet is because the place where they drop is not in the game yet either |
| 17:12.31 | Apollozeus | :p |
| 17:12.33 | Apollozeus | that's my theory |
| 17:13.11 | dotted | hmm warrior tier 6 is apparently in the client data files |
| 17:13.13 | dotted | http://www.worldofraids.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2976 |
| 17:13.30 | Apollozeus | k, dinner |
| 17:13.36 | Apollozeus | I'll read it in 30 mins |
| 17:13.36 | dotted | brb food |
| 17:13.45 | dotted | :D |
| 17:14.18 | Baggins | Kirkburn zeal had a good idea for a small addition for your wowwiki mission message |
| 17:14.58 | Baggins | In the line where it says World of warcraft is a focus, at the end you should add the line, but not priority |
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| 17:16.03 | Baggins | Cause as it is, right now some people view it to mean if WoW says one way, then it must be the only way, and theirfore any other source must be "wrong" |
| 17:19.09 | Stopchangingnick | Ahoy |
| 17:19.20 | Kirochi | My bad |
| 17:19.35 | Baggins | Hi kirochi |
| 17:21.05 | Adys | ello kirochi |
| 17:21.23 | Kirochi | Adys do you speak FRench ? |
| 17:21.30 | Adys | Yes :P |
| 17:21.40 | Kirochi | left you a pm |
| 17:22.01 | Adys | where? =P |
| 17:22.09 | Kirochi | On WoWwiki xD |
| 17:22.33 | Adys | oh :P |
| 17:22.36 | Adys | yeah sure |
| 17:22.37 | Adys | sec |
| 17:23.03 | Kirkburn | Baggins, was away |
| 17:23.12 | Adys | if you're registered with the server you should have my pm |
| 17:23.26 | Kirochi | Adys you mean ? |
| 17:23.47 | Kirkburn | You should get PMs even if you're not registered |
| 17:23.47 | Baggins | I'm here now |
| 17:23.47 | Kirkburn | You just can't send them |
| 17:23.47 | Adys | on freenode |
| 17:24.07 | Kirochi | afk aspirateur |
| 17:27.28 | Baggins | so kirkburn did you check out the talk:Azeroth? |
| 17:28.02 | Kirochi | Kirkburn I never get PMS |
| 17:28.23 | Baggins | I never get PMS either... That's a good thing I am a guy. |
| 17:28.35 | Kirkburn | Kirochi, get that one? |
| 17:28.55 | Kirkburn | So you *do* then :) |
| 17:29.10 | Kirochi | How can you trust something that bleeds for several days and doesn't die ? |
| 17:29.29 | Baggins | LOL |
| 17:30.02 | Kirkburn | ahmagad, I didn't get your childish jokes :/ |
| 17:30.44 | Kirkburn | You know there was a really stupid page explaining the benefits of joining the WoWWiki |
| 17:31.07 | Baggins | Of course there is a syndrome known as Male PMS but its not a good thing... has something to do with low testosterone, and hormonal cycles. |
| 17:31.09 | Kirkburn | Somehow it neglected to mention that you can't do *anything* without registering |
| 17:31.23 | Baggins | LOL |
| 17:31.24 | Kirkburn | Tweakage: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:About#About_WoWWiki |
| 17:32.06 | Kirochi | Baggins=> At some point your brain collapses |
| 17:32.21 | Baggins | LOL |
| 17:32.32 | Baggins | from too much trivia? |
| 17:33.02 | Baggins | The WoW community uses slang, which is in part reflected here. Also, you may find information here that is decidedly not NPOV. |
| 17:33.08 | Baggins | oh that's a lovely line... |
| 17:33.55 | Baggins | When I started it was far less neutral though. |
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| 17:34.28 | Baggins | Most of the non-game related pages had some kind of "why something sucks" therefore it shouldn't be canon remarks |
| 17:35.32 | Baggins | or "It sucks so it isn't canon" remarks |
| 17:35.36 | Kirkburn | Yeah, it's much improved now :) |
| 17:35.52 | Kirochi | "It isn't canon so it sucks" |
| 17:35.57 | Baggins | thank goodness |
| 17:36.06 | Baggins | We can be respectable now hehaw |
| 17:36.09 | Kirochi | Bookkeeper ftw |
| 17:37.17 | Baggins | ya, the other thing was people declaring something as non-canon, even if Blizzard hasn't said anything on the issue lol |
| 17:37.26 | Baggins | such as Kirochi's version |
| 17:37.33 | Kirochi | oO |
| 17:37.47 | Baggins | canon is definitely something I prefer to leave out of topics |
| 17:37.58 | Baggins | because Blizzard really doesn't use the term |
| 17:38.09 | Baggins | they prefer to use the term "lore" |
| 17:38.23 | Baggins | and they apply it to pretty much everything |
| 17:38.24 | Kirochi | Turalyon having sex with Alleria was pure speculation when I was a child. Now it is canon. |
| 17:38.33 | Baggins | LOL |
| 17:38.49 | Baggins | Well a child has to come from somewhere |
| 17:39.16 | Baggins | and I'm glad a half-elf is in game finally |
| 17:39.19 | Kirochi | yup, a womb |
| 17:39.32 | Baggins | a wombat? |
| 17:39.46 | equiraptor | Hrm? I was under the impression that "lore" and "cannon" are not the same thing... That "canon" is basically, "lore that's been verified by the original source of the story line." |
| 17:40.01 | Baggins | A cannon shoots things |
| 17:40.06 | equiraptor | I got this impression from discussions of Star Trek, where some of the books are considered canon and some aren't. |
| 17:40.10 | equiraptor | Oh, shuttup. |
| 17:40.18 | Kirochi | In french cannon's spelled canon |
| 17:40.25 | Baggins | Star trek has a very high degree of canon policy |
| 17:40.28 | Baggins | from the company |
| 17:40.35 | equiraptor | Right. |
| 17:40.38 | Baggins | blizzard really never uses the term canon |
| 17:40.48 | Kirochi | <=>Canon lore=Bloodsail Buccaneers lore ? |
| 17:40.48 | equiraptor | But you seemed to be using lore and canon interchangably, which I don't think is the case. |
| 17:41.02 | equiraptor | Blizzard doesn't have to use the term canon for it to be applied to the lore. |
| 17:41.20 | Baggins | Well Chris Metzen has a differing view he finds lore more important than canon ideals |
| 17:41.28 | Kirochi | Shiver me timbers ! Load thy cannons Mr. Smite ! |
| 17:41.33 | Baggins | to him its almost like we are reading competing historians |
| 17:41.39 | Baggins | each with their own views and opinions |
| 17:41.48 | Baggins | sometimes they can both be right |
| 17:41.52 | Baggins | other times only one is right |
| 17:42.22 | equiraptor | So why can't the term "canon" be used to mean, "lore that comes directly from blizzard sources"? |
| 17:42.32 | Baggins | and sometimes what we thought we knew can be completley over ridden when a new improved idea comes to his mind |
| 17:42.44 | Baggins | because everything comes form blizzard sources |
| 17:42.50 | Baggins | otherwise its fanfiction |
| 17:42.52 | Baggins | not lore |
| 17:43.00 | Baggins | we have templates for that stuff |
| 17:43.01 | Kirochi | Ok generations of historians fucked up the essence of these terms so now SHUT UP FFS |
| 17:43.16 | equiraptor | Ah. I was under the impression that certain types of fan written stuff or theories could be called lore. |
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| 17:43.23 | Murloc | hi |
| 17:43.26 | Baggins | they might call it lore |
| 17:43.28 | Baggins | but we don't |
| 17:43.40 | Murloc | what are you speaking? |
| 17:43.47 | Murloc | of what are you speaking |
| 17:43.47 | Kirochi | Aaaaughiburburgle |
| 17:43.53 | equiraptor | That works. :) |
| 17:43.57 | Baggins | a talking murloc? be afraid |
| 17:44.07 | Murloc | yeah |
| 17:44.12 | equiraptor | I just think the distinction between "from blizzard" and "not from blizzard" is significant. :) |
| 17:44.18 | Kirochi | I can deal with him. My grandmother had murloc blood |
| 17:44.19 | Baggins | I agree |
| 17:44.47 | Murloc | erm |
| 17:44.50 | Kirochi | We peoples. We not murlocs. You not peoples. You not welcomed. You understanded ? |
| 17:44.51 | Baggins | Did she by chance live in Innsmouth? |
| 17:44.57 | Murloc | what's the goal of this channel? |
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| 17:45.12 | Baggins | We tend to discuss wowwiki business |
| 17:45.19 | Kirochi | yep |
| 17:45.19 | Baggins | and sometimes break into jokes |
| 17:45.20 | Naga | now |
| 17:45.22 | Naga | im a naga |
| 17:45.28 | Kirochi | Baggins, back to Arator |
| 17:45.34 | Baggins | murlonaga |
| 17:45.35 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm a tomatoe |
| 17:45.38 | Baggins | ya? |
| 17:45.51 | Kirochi | We still need Jaina's half sister |
| 17:45.57 | Kirochi | Half elf half sister |
| 17:46.00 | Kirkburn|afk | *tomato |
| 17:46.04 | Baggins | Heh ya |
| 17:46.16 | equiraptor | I'm a flying horse. |
| 17:46.20 | Baggins | course did you know she may not be her half-sister? |
| 17:46.22 | Kirochi | I'm a sleep |
| 17:46.24 | Naga | why in wowwiki people dont put a search motor that shows the older pages so they can be updated? |
| 17:46.30 | Baggins | its been "rumorfied' |
| 17:46.38 | Naga | i have time to lose |
| 17:46.40 | Kirochi | Fuck rumors |
| 17:46.42 | Baggins | as in not verified accusations LOL |
| 17:46.52 | Baggins | kind of like Jaina and Thrall as lovers |
| 17:47.03 | Naga | where are you from? |
| 17:47.06 | Baggins | which may or may not be true |
| 17:47.06 | Kirochi | I do not trust anything out me and me |
| 17:47.41 | Kirochi | Thrall/Jaina=> Definitely NOT. |
| 17:47.46 | Baggins | Next step, we need a half-orc |
| 17:47.55 | Murloc | rexxar |
| 17:48.01 | Baggins | heh, but the gnomes belief it |
| 17:48.03 | Kirochi | He's orc-ogre |
| 17:48.08 | Murloc | yeah |
| 17:48.09 | Baggins | half-ogre |
| 17:48.20 | Baggins | in common tongue |
| 17:48.33 | Kirochi | Me sorry, me speakes Zandali only |
| 17:48.33 | Murloc | half-orc means human + orc? |
| 17:48.39 | Kirochi | Murloc yep |
| 17:48.40 | Baggins | ya |
| 17:48.47 | Murloc | good |
| 17:48.57 | Baggins | or at least half-orc half-near human |
| 17:49.04 | Kirochi | Half-orc means disgusting rape |
| 17:49.07 | Baggins | Garona :p |
| 17:49.10 | Murloc | an half-gnome what is? |
| 17:49.14 | Baggins | oh no not always |
| 17:49.19 | Kirochi | Nay she's half draenei |
| 17:49.31 | Baggins | nah not verified |
| 17:49.34 | Kirochi | Half-gnome ? dunno |
| 17:49.37 | Baggins | that was apparently speculation |
| 17:49.42 | Baggins | Metzen chooses not to comment |
| 17:49.52 | Kirochi | Yeah but I trust the Blizzard employee that stated it |
| 17:49.58 | Baggins | and she's implied to be half-human or half-near human in alliance player's guide |
| 17:50.08 | Baggins | the book specifies that half-draenei is something else |
| 17:50.09 | Baggins | entirely |
| 17:50.25 | Kirochi | She can't be half human, that is |
| 17:50.25 | Kirochi | near-human ... |
| 17:50.40 | Baggins | Well there is possibility of timetravel |
| 17:50.41 | Kirochi | I don't care |
| 17:50.42 | Aquila | lol |
| 17:50.43 | Kirochi | blah |
| 17:50.59 | Baggins | But ya the issue is that she was originally Metzen's baby apparently |
| 17:51.02 | Kirochi | Timetravel ? Like sexual tourism in the past ? |
| 17:51.07 | Aquila | what do you guys think about me going draenai priest over mage? |
| 17:51.20 | Baggins | whatever you choose its a good race |
| 17:51.40 | Murloc | how are the starting stat of the draenei? |
| 17:51.50 | Baggins | anyways, all written sources pretty much prefer to keep the refrences to her being half-human |
| 17:51.55 | Murloc | i want to make a draenei shammy |
| 17:51.59 | Baggins | but leaving it "mysterious" as to how that oculd even be possible |
| 17:52.02 | Kirochi | yes |
| 17:52.03 | Kirochi | but |
| 17:52.05 | Kirochi | it's |
| 17:52.06 | Kirochi | not |
| 17:52.08 | Kirochi | possible |
| 17:52.18 | Baggins | except through timetravel or magic aging |
| 17:52.23 | Kirochi | :'( |
| 17:52.26 | Baggins | magic aging exists |
| 17:52.32 | Baggins | at least in caverns of time |
| 17:52.36 | Baggins | maybe elsewhere |
| 17:52.47 | Baggins | actually there might be an rpg spell for magic aging |
| 17:52.56 | Baggins | anything is possible in fantasy |
| 17:53.22 | Baggins | I will probably make a draenei shammy as it hsould have the most interesting lore |
| 17:53.27 | Baggins | same for the blood knight paladins |
| 17:53.50 | Baggins | blood knights feel more warrior like too. They start with swords over hammers |
| 17:53.58 | Murloc | what do you think of brian kopp? |
| 17:54.08 | Kirochi | they're all gonna roll ally shammies and horde pallies |
| 17:54.12 | Kirochi | forget it |
| 17:54.13 | Baggins | LOL |
| 17:54.34 | Murloc | i dont buy guides |
| 17:54.39 | Murloc | there are some free guides |
| 17:54.59 | Aquila | has he released the new draenei guide yet? |
| 17:55.06 | Aquila | for lv 1-12 |
| 17:55.06 | Murloc | no |
| 17:55.10 | Aquila | ugh |
| 17:55.14 | Murloc | wa |
| 17:55.15 | Aquila | liar he is >< |
| 17:55.23 | Baggins | So why not a half-dwarf there is one character who has dwarf blood distantly in her veigns. Jesi Falrevare. |
| 17:55.35 | Baggins | It shows up in her face. |
| 17:55.39 | Adys | Flowered a bit my talk page \o/ |
| 17:55.40 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Adys |
| 17:55.50 | Kirochi | Half dwarf half elf=> human |
| 17:55.56 | Baggins | LOL |
| 17:56.10 | Kirochi | Flowered ? I'd rather say emptied |
| 17:56.12 | Baggins | half human and half dwarf, gnome? |
| 17:56.16 | Murloc | no |
| 17:56.27 | Murloc | half human half gnome --> dwarf |
| 17:56.33 | Baggins | LOL |
| 17:56.34 | Kirochi | tall+small/2=very small ? Not |
| 17:56.50 | Baggins | depends on which is more dominant |
| 17:57.01 | Murloc | half dwarf half imp --> goblin |
| 17:57.09 | Kirochi | oO |
| 17:57.10 | Kirochi | kinky |
| 17:57.27 | Baggins | golbins have 4 or 5 fingers? |
| 17:57.30 | Murloc | erm |
| 17:57.33 | Murloc | i dunno |
| 17:57.52 | Baggins | if 4 I'd say probably closer to gnome heritage |
| 17:59.13 | Murloc | uhm |
| 17:59.36 | Murloc | what do you think of wow gold buying? |
| 17:59.42 | Baggins | we are against it |
| 17:59.45 | Kirochi | it sucks |
| 17:59.53 | Baggins | and its scamtastic |
| 17:59.57 | Kirochi | but wow power levelling rocks |
| 18:00.03 | Baggins | LOL |
| 18:00.06 | Murloc | i receive every day some ingame letters about cheap gold christmas sales |
| 18:00.10 | Murloc | yeah |
| 18:00.13 | Murloc | but if you do it |
| 18:00.14 | Baggins | I wish I could get a relative to power level for me |
| 18:00.17 | Murloc | not a chinese |
| 18:00.23 | Kirochi | Yeah |
| 18:00.32 | Baggins | leveling is so boring |
| 18:00.39 | Kirochi | I need my level 6 warlock to level 20 for tomorrow |
| 18:00.40 | Murloc | sometimes |
| 18:00.40 | amro | so true |
| 18:01.05 | amro | Kirochi, for a summon bot? |
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| 18:01.19 | Kirochi | yup |
| 18:01.35 | Kirochi | a summon-100-level-1-Trolls |
| 18:01.42 | amro | heheh |
| 18:01.48 | Kirochi | In-the-middle-of-IF-for-server-crash |
| 18:01.56 | amro | we've got quite a few summon locks |
| 18:02.08 | amro | one is parked in IF, one in SW, and i forgot where the others are |
| 18:03.41 | Kirochi | come and check this out |
| 18:03.42 | Baggins | summon for what? |
| 18:03.50 | amro | for TOTAL WAR! |
| 18:03.56 | Baggins | total war? |
| 18:04.04 | amro | yes, attacking the alliance |
| 18:04.18 | amro | its a lot easier when you don't have to come through the front gates |
| 18:04.19 | Adys | btw |
| 18:04.22 | Adys | sorry for randomness |
| 18:04.26 | Kirochi | www.trollidos.com |
| 18:04.29 | Adys | but created http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Bp earlier tonight |
| 18:04.30 | Baggins | oh |
| 18:04.38 | Adys | so keep an eye on the category |
| 18:05.07 | Adys | id just rather use something like that than {{Stub/Item}} or {{cleanup}} on the item pages i modify for icons |
| 18:05.31 | Baggins | So do you think we could it by fandallic but have a template for "may be found in muiltiple sources of lore" |
| 18:05.48 | Baggins | for things that show up in RPG, RTS, WOW, etc |
| 18:06.42 | amro | 0 seeders connected, 160 in swarm |
| 18:06.45 | amro | bittorrent hates me |
| 18:06.58 | Kirochi | choose emule |
| 18:07.03 | Kirochi | it's cheaper than dating |
| 18:07.30 | amro | I don't like emule |
| 18:07.34 | amro | does it even run on linux? |
| 18:07.35 | Baggins | Cause its kind of annoying where we RPG tag a page that includes information from WoW or other sources as well :P |
| 18:08.16 | Baggins | He had the nerve to say we should seperate "classes" into RTS classes, RPG classes, and WOW classes. But there is so much overlap |
| 18:08.30 | Baggins | even NPCs have classes found in the RTS and RPG |
| 18:08.32 | Kirochi | ah wtf. Does wikipedia feature references to every document it quotes ? |
| 18:09.03 | Baggins | probalby not |
| 18:09.17 | amro | wikipedia references even simple words it uses |
| 18:09.17 | amro | or at least, it seems like it |
| 18:09.19 | Baggins | although citations are good |
| 18:09.42 | amro | articles that dont cite sources get flagged as such |
| 18:09.48 | Baggins | if you don't cite the work on wikipedia they can remove the information |
| 18:10.06 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm out tonight, hope you have a good time on the wiki =) |
| 18:10.18 | Kirochi | out=instance ? |
| 18:10.33 | Kirkburn|afk | out = orienteering club social :P |
| 18:14.18 | Kirochi | I'm off IRC |
| 18:14.20 | Kirochi | bye |
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| 18:37.46 | Apollozeus | http://www.wowinsider.com/tag/countdowntobc/ <-- this should go in the topic |
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| 18:38.32 | Hobinheim | did someone really tell kiro to not speak french here? |
| 18:44.33 | Apollozeus | ca va? |
| 18:45.02 | Hobinheim | je .... i don't know how to say the word no... parle fracais...? |
| 18:47.03 | Apollozeus | je ne parle pas francais |
| 18:47.24 | Apollozeus | 'not' actually translates to two words |
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| 18:47.43 | Apollozeus | my knowledge of french is rather rusty though |
| 18:48.26 | Hobinheim | ugh... |
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| 18:48.57 | Hobinheim | yo apollo, need a disambiguation example. "term redirects here. did you mean ___ or ___" at an article page, instead of an actual disambiguation pages. can you think of any off the top of your head. |
| 18:49.52 | Hobinheim | actually n/m |
| 18:52.41 | Apollozeus | damnit, my speakers were turned off |
| 18:52.46 | Apollozeus | sorry for not responding |
| 18:55.40 | Hobinheim | np |
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| 18:57.45 | djspark | is there or will there be any rss feeds from wowwiki? |
| 19:01.21 | Hobinheim | no sure |
| 19:01.24 | Hobinheim | *notsure |
| 19:02.37 | Hobinheim | there should be an rss link on the bottom left of ever ypage, i think |
| 19:09.52 | Apollozeus | there are |
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| 19:29.55 | Pixlolz | yop:) |
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| 20:50.01 | Hobinheim | do we have a template that talks about incomplete data |
| 20:50.03 | Hobinheim | cuz i'm about to make one |
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| 20:59.36 | Hobinheim | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talent_abilities |
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| 21:07.56 | anaconda10 | hello everybody here, i've got some trouble and need help |
| 21:08.26 | amro | hi there |
| 21:09.07 | anaconda10 | does any of you keeps an older version of BigWigs Bossmods? |
| 21:10.58 | anaconda10 | that is, i need one for chinese server, which don't have the latest patch |
| 21:12.34 | anaconda10 | but older version is not available now :( |
| 21:14.29 | Teomyr | bigwigs is an ace2 mod |
| 21:14.42 | Teomyr | they keep an SVN server which archives every version of their mods |
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| 21:15.35 | Teomyr | you could also check http://wowace.com/files/BigWigs/ if you can find a working revision there |
| 21:15.36 | anaconda10 | how could i extract one of those single version? |
| 21:15.49 | doomgaze- | anyone here experienced with secure raid headers? |
| 21:16.25 | anaconda10 | there are no longer a version working for TOC 11200 |
| 21:16.51 | anaconda10 | how could i get a older version from that SVN server? |
| 21:18.37 | Teomyr | anaconda10: use a subversion client like TortoiseSVN |
| 21:18.50 | Teomyr | anaconda10: or wait, i'll have a look at it |
| 21:21.18 | Teomyr | anaconda10: revision 17965 is the last revision for TOC 11200 |
| 21:22.16 | Teomyr | anaconda10: should i check it out for you? |
| 21:22.18 | anaconda10 | sure |
| 21:22.33 | anaconda10 | it's kind of you :) |
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| 21:26.27 | Teomyr | uploading... |
| 21:27.12 | anaconda10 | how could i retrieve a file in IRC? i'm new to it |
| 21:27.44 | Teomyr | http://vs157092.vserver.de/wow/BigWigs-17965.zip |
| 21:27.49 | Teomyr | there you go |
| 21:28.34 | Teomyr | there might be problems though. the libraries that come with BigWigs are for 2.0, check if there are any error messages |
| 21:30.43 | anaconda10 | is all those releases got from SVN use the 2.0 libraries? |
| 21:31.51 | Teomyr | if you download something from the wowace svn trunk, it will be for 2.0 by default |
| 21:32.18 | Teomyr | though you can choose to get an older version if necessary, but that involves doing many things by hand |
| 21:34.41 | anaconda10 | so if i get it done by myself, how can i get access to SVN server? |
| 21:36.13 | anaconda10 | i'm getting a Tortoise SVN and try it myself. i got to use CVS before, is this one anything different? |
| 21:36.39 | Teomyr | oh, then you will find using SVN pretty easy, i think |
| 21:37.12 | Teomyr | you can use TortoiseSVN's repository browser to browse the repository at http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk |
| 21:40.10 | anaconda10 | let me check if yours could work |
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| 21:40.34 | Baggins | Hey hobin you want to check to see if I have 10,000 posts :p |
| 21:40.50 | Baggins | if not I'm almost there LOL |
| 21:41.15 | Baggins | Well on my way to 1 million club :-p |
| 21:45.09 | anaconda10 | it seems libraries for 2.0 does not work at all :( |
| 21:45.54 | Teomyr | hm |
| 21:46.29 | Teomyr | could you join #wowace to discuss things there |
| 21:46.44 | Teomyr | those are the ace people, they know better than me ;) |
| 21:47.03 | anaconda10 | thanks a lot |
| 21:47.06 | anaconda10 | :) |
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| 22:37.08 | Unliked-By-All | hey everybody! |
| 22:37.51 | Zakuto | can someone send me a list of "Twink" gear for a 49 hunter? |
| 22:40.32 | Zakuto | is anyone even here? |
| 22:42.03 | Teomyr | yes, we're here :o |
| 22:42.25 | Teomyr | i can't provide you with such a list, though |
| 22:43.05 | Zakuto | aww :( |
| 22:43.26 | Zakuto | is it too hard to compile? |
| 22:44.09 | Teomyr | i don't know, but i don't have one lying around ;) |
| 22:44.16 | Zakuto | oh |
| 22:44.28 | Zakuto | i know at 50 i should get Dawn's Edge X2 |
| 22:45.45 | Hobinheim | my suggestion at finding twink gear would be to go on thottbot and look at the highest item levels for level 49 |
| 22:46.03 | Teomyr | wowhead has better filtering options |
| 22:46.18 | Teomyr | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.3&filter=qu=2,3,4;minrl=40;maxrl=49;ub=3;cr=82;crs=2;crv=0 |
| 22:46.30 | Teomyr | for armor |
| 22:47.42 | dotted | yeah and Thott and Allakhazam is owned by the same company as IGE, another reason for using Wowhead :p |
| 22:48.57 | Teomyr | weee... i log into beta, all my talents have been unlearned and i'm getting ganked by 3 mobs with a kick ability the second i log in -_- |
| 22:49.15 | Hobinheim | what's ige |
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| 22:55.47 | dotted | Hobinheim *cough* gold seller *cough* |
| 22:59.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | old!? |
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| 23:10.33 | dotted | hmmm does there exist some sort of text editor designed for editing wiki's? |
| 23:11.37 | Deathface | hey |
| 23:11.45 | Deathface | i learn all these skills for my pet at the pet trainer |
| 23:11.49 | Deathface | but how do i use those skills |
| 23:13.13 | Deathface | ? |
| 23:13.19 | Deathface | where do i find em |
| 23:13.45 | dotted | press 'p' |
| 23:14.16 | Deathface | yeah |
| 23:14.26 | Deathface | not beast master |
| 23:14.28 | Deathface | y |
| 23:14.31 | Deathface | the pet trainer skills |
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| 23:24.56 | dotted | should be on your pet bar, if it wasnt passive abillities you trained Deathface |
| 23:27.35 | dotted | hmm i was wondering if it would be possible to make a template or something similiar of http://www.wowwiki.com/Argent_Dawn_Guild_Progression, to make it easier to make such pages |
| 23:28.02 | dotted | i'd gladly do it, if i knew how - not that expirienced with wiki's |
| 23:28.26 | Hobinheim | just copy it |
| 23:28.29 | Hobinheim | no need to template that |
| 23:29.11 | doomgaze- | Is there any particicular reason UNIT_HEALTH is fired for members of a raid whom have just been moved to the players subgroup, but doesn't fire when they're moved to any of the other 7 groups? |
| 23:29.32 | doomgaze- | Because it seems that when my GetRaidRosterInfo() is firing due to this, it's pulling wrong information. |
| 23:29.46 | doomgaze- | Partially wrong at least. |
| 23:30.11 | dotted | Hobinheim yes ofc, but i'd imagine that others would like to make one for their realm but cant becuase the source is rather... confusing |
| 23:32.28 | Hobinheim | ask someone more exp. to do it |
| 23:36.33 | dotted | isnt there a how-to somewhere? |
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| 23:51.16 | Hobinheim | for a how to on wikis, try looking up the material on wikipedia |
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