| 00:00.20 | Teomyr | and the corners should be transparent, what i'm seeing here is the IE6 png bug |
| 00:00.51 | Teomyr | but i don't get why it's only happening for the corners while the other graphics have alpha transparency as well |
| 00:01.09 | Teomyr | they were all saved using the gimp and with the same parameters / |
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| 00:04.13 | [zeal] | well if i coudl get access to the images, i'd look myself :P |
| 00:04.26 | [zeal] | i'm guessing that would be in the js somewhere? |
| 00:04.54 | Teomyr | yes, that stuff is in http://simonveith.de/wowwikitest/extensions/tooltips/ |
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| 00:24.33 | [zeal] | well i checked |
| 00:24.41 | [zeal] | the corners don't have the bg colour set |
| 00:26.30 | Teomyr | indeed |
| 00:26.40 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/.kill |
| 00:26.47 | Adys | ffs, its been deleted twice |
| 00:27.04 | Kirkburn | it has? |
| 00:27.08 | Adys | Yep |
| 00:27.09 | Gryphen | ya |
| 00:27.25 | Adys | under the name .kill command i think |
| 00:27.39 | [zeal] | take it, it's not allowed? |
| 00:27.49 | Gryphen | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=.kill+command |
| 00:27.51 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Undelete/.kill_command |
| 00:27.52 | Kirkburn | Yup, I deleted it twice :P |
| 00:28.07 | Teomyr | i doubt that blizzard would like to see that on the wiki |
| 00:28.19 | [zeal] | <3 tweakPNG |
| 00:28.26 | Kirkburn | We-ll |
| 00:28.35 | Gryphen | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Server:Stonemaul_US&curid=21785&action=history |
| 00:28.35 | Kirkburn | Problem here is that is it a game term |
| 00:28.48 | Gryphen | where is it refrenced? |
| 00:28.58 | Gryphen | people say it? |
| 00:29.05 | Kirkburn | That's what the article says |
| 00:29.09 | Kirkburn | Gryphen, blocked him? |
| 00:29.43 | Gryphen | no |
| 00:29.54 | Gryphen | just saw it on RC, dont have time to dig into it |
| 00:30.37 | Kirkburn | done |
| 00:30.38 | Adys | Kirkburn, theres many gm commands that could be listed.. .kill, .killallnpcs, .go, etc etc |
| 00:30.50 | Adys | imo leave that to other wikis, its listed on other places |
| 00:31.15 | Kirkburn | Hmm, good point |
| 00:34.03 | [zeal] | well it's all private server related, i wouldn't really see it relevant. nothing to suggest it exists for official servers. |
| 00:34.04 | Kirkburn | Okay, delete |
| 00:37.16 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:ClydeJr#Item_pages |
| 00:37.22 | Adys | id like some other opinions on it |
| 00:39.51 | Kirkburn | Good use of {{=)}} ?? |
| 00:40.36 | Adys | lol |
| 00:40.41 | Adys | I like it :P |
| 00:40.54 | Kirkburn | Yeah, it'd be nice to use different screenshots |
| 00:42.25 | Adys | Kirkburn : http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:RC/Skip - Protect? |
| 00:43.06 | [zeal] | Teomyr, nice with the icon templates, but it does sort of completely remove usefulness in ie6 ofc :p |
| 00:43.39 | Kirkburn | Any more names too add to it? |
| 00:43.46 | Adys | hmm |
| 00:44.37 | Teomyr | [zeal]: it was more of an experiment :D |
| 00:44.56 | Kirkburn | Beep2? |
| 00:45.04 | Adys | aye |
| 00:45.31 | Adys | Tinkerer too |
| 00:45.44 | Adys | Watchout |
| 00:46.19 | Adys | Pupapaya has always done excellent work aswell |
| 00:47.04 | Kirkburn | Shall protect now anyway :P |
| 00:47.07 | [zeal] | kk, np. a suggestion though, if you're gunna used fixed widths, then use fixed fonts too. otherwise you might find it meses up for some people/browsers :p |
| 00:47.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | *coughs* |
| 00:47.22 | [zeal] | *messes *fixed font sizes |
| 00:48.04 | Kirkburn | + move protected the content page |
| 00:50.26 | Teomyr | kk |
| 00:52.17 | Adys | good god |
| 00:52.25 | Adys | I got 2715 items in watchlist |
| 00:52.28 | Adys | "not counting talk pages" |
| 00:52.47 | Adys | and im regularly removing the broken links |
| 00:53.13 | Teomyr | [zeal]: i'm still trying to figure out why ie6 completely ignores 'height: 100%' wherever i put it |
| 00:53.38 | [zeal] | because it never supported it ;) |
| 00:53.47 | Teomyr | oO |
| 00:54.00 | [zeal] | hence table layouts and spacer images |
| 00:54.12 | Teomyr | omg |
| 00:58.08 | [zeal] | rofl |
| 00:58.26 | Adys | You have 5434 items on your watchlist, including talk pages. |
| 00:58.26 | Adys | Are you sure you wish to remove them? |
| 00:58.43 | [zeal] | lol |
| 00:58.45 | Kirkburn | A thought, I may see about reformatting the front page to be more in the style of the new tables |
| 00:59.04 | Kirkburn | Adys, *how*? |
| 00:59.23 | Adys | i got preferences on "watch pages you edit" |
| 00:59.56 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 01:00.27 | Adys | I cleared it twice in the past |
| 01:00.30 | Adys | but I didnt bother since then |
| 01:00.52 | Adys | Below are the last 397 changes in the last 7 days, as of 03:00, 4 January 2007. |
| 01:01.28 | Adys | but at some point I was also watching icon pages :P |
| 01:01.34 | Adys | I removed these too tho |
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| 01:02.04 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Inner_Sanctum |
| 01:02.08 | Adys | what do we do for that? |
| 01:02.11 | Adys | id keep it tbh |
| 01:02.21 | kazurk | what is included in the special edition xpac? |
| 01:02.37 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Collector%27s_Edition |
| 01:02.46 | Adys | # The expansion on CD-ROM and DVD-ROM |
| 01:02.46 | Adys | # "Behind the Scenes" DVD with "more than two hours worth of developer interviews and commentary on all aspects of the creation of The Burning Crusade, as well as trailers and cinematics from the game, and even footage of panel discussions from BlizzCon" |
| 01:02.46 | Adys | # Hardcover coffee table book with exclusive concept art |
| 01:02.46 | Adys | # Exclusive in-game pet: Netherwhelp |
| 01:02.47 | Adys | # Two starter decks, a full-size color rulebook and 3 foil promo cards (which will be released in a future set in non-foil version) from the WoW TCG [1] |
| 01:02.50 | Adys | # Map of Outland mouse pad |
| 01:02.52 | Adys | # Soundtrack CD |
| 01:02.54 | Adys | uch, spam sorry |
| 01:04.27 | [zeal] | hm.. i don't recall that tcg stuff :s |
| 01:04.35 | [zeal] | thought it was just two tcg packs.. |
| 01:04.41 | Adys | wah? |
| 01:04.45 | Adys | lol just noticed |
| 01:04.50 | Adys | didnt know either |
| 01:06.47 | [zeal] | ah, thats official |
| 01:06.49 | [zeal] | cool |
| 01:07.03 | [zeal] | yay for citation |
| 01:07.33 | Kirkburn | Hmm, I give up on the front page thing, the tables don't look good when large |
| 01:07.47 | Adys | afk a bit |
| 01:08.22 | [zeal] | *cough*contentbox*cough* |
| 01:09.08 | Kirkburn | mmm? |
| 01:09.20 | [zeal] | lol |
| 01:09.30 | [zeal] | just pimping the use of my template |
| 01:10.08 | Kirkburn | BETA PATCH! |
| 01:11.01 | [zeal] | oh? |
| 01:11.09 | [zeal] | i haven't played since 2.0.2 lol |
| 01:11.12 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 01:11.29 | Adys | really kirk? |
| 01:11.29 | [zeal] | hm.. main page dev.. |
| 01:11.30 | Adys | mm |
| 01:11.33 | Adys | might go and log in |
| 01:12.07 | [zeal] | 2.0.3.6244 |
| 01:12.12 | Adys | ow |
| 01:12.15 | Adys | i got it patched i think |
| 01:12.38 | [zeal] | this is quite possibly an old patch i'm getting, lol. |
| 01:12.55 | Adys | checking now |
| 01:13.16 | Adys | nope new patch for me too |
| 01:13.27 | Adys | small one it seems |
| 01:14.00 | Kirkburn | 6244 is old :P |
| 01:14.10 | Adys | 6282 here |
| 01:14.12 | Adys | lastest |
| 01:14.16 | Adys | and realms all down :[ |
| 01:14.23 | Adys | I wonder if they will come back |
| 01:14.34 | Adys | www.wowcountdown.com |
| 01:14.41 | Adys | god :) |
| 01:14.57 | [zeal] | unless you're in the uk.. bah |
| 01:15.01 | Adys | ^^ |
| 01:15.49 | [zeal] | thats an ugly counter tbqfh : / |
| 01:16.00 | [zeal] | x days x:x:x until |
| 01:16.06 | [zeal] | how does that make sense? >_> |
| 01:16.27 | Kirkburn | hmm? |
| 01:16.40 | Kirkburn | How doesn't it? |
| 01:17.52 | [zeal] | well hours, second, mins are implied, but don't work into english. days should be implied with x:x:x:x, or they should all be written out as x days x hours x mins x secs |
| 01:17.58 | [zeal] | imo at least.. >_> |
| 01:18.37 | [zeal] | its like a hodge-podge of two different styles.. |
| 01:21.14 | [zeal] | there we go, updated. |
| 01:22.01 | [zeal] | is there not a template for adding text at the top of an article's box? :S |
| 01:22.11 | Adys | Category:Mobs really needs a rework |
| 01:23.37 | [zeal] | no comment, lol |
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| 01:32.58 | Teomyr | [zeal]: should work for ie6 now |
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| 01:33.16 | Teomyr | [zeal]: implemented an alternative table layout |
| 01:38.09 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:My_new_category - wth >< |
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| 01:39.31 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Guard |
| 01:39.36 | Adys | shouldnt that be :Guards ? |
| 01:41.54 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Articles_with_galleries |
| 01:41.56 | Adys | whats the point? |
| 01:42.29 | Hobinheim | don't you want to know what articles have galleries? jeez |
| 01:42.32 | Hobinheim | galleries hater |
| 01:42.58 | Adys | ... |
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| 01:48.56 | Kirkburn | From my user page: "... deleter, cleaner, styler. Mostly deleter. ^^ " ... accurate? ;) |
| 01:49.50 | Kirkburn | Adys, yes it should be Guards |
| 01:50.47 | Hobinheim | the new icon looks abnormally sexy on a page like http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Hobinheim/footnotes |
| 01:51.04 | Hobinheim | by the way, that's what i think all article-ish pages should look like, with foot notes |
| 01:51.11 | Kirkburn | hohoho |
| 01:51.15 | Hobinheim | it's the best i could do w/o wikipedia's very specific plugin |
| 01:51.23 | Teomyr | tooltips! |
| 01:51.27 | Teomyr | :D |
| 01:51.41 | Hobinheim | what about tooltips? |
| 01:51.57 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim, cool |
| 01:52.29 | Teomyr | i mean, implement them as tooltips ^^ |
| 01:52.53 | Kirkburn | I need to choose a film to watch |
| 01:53.01 | Hobinheim | implement what as tooltips? |
| 01:53.06 | Hobinheim | Kirkburn, netflix |
| 01:53.06 | Kirkburn | references |
| 01:53.11 | Hobinheim | wait is there netflix in the uk? |
| 01:53.24 | Adys | if refs are tooltip'd they are not clickable no? |
| 01:53.27 | Kirkburn | Probably, but I ain't payin' ;) |
| 01:53.28 | Hobinheim | i still don't follow, how would tooltiped references work |
| 01:53.38 | Kirkburn | I have films here but I can't decide which :P |
| 01:54.03 | Hobinheim | i bet all uni students know their way around the internets /wink /wink |
| 01:54.05 | Kirkburn | You can have clickable ones Adys |
| 01:54.15 | Adys | how? |
| 01:54.38 | Kirkburn | Same way as any link, tooltips and links aren't exclusive |
| 01:54.48 | Hobinheim | i'm still not following this whole tooltip jive, could someone shoot me an example |
| 01:55.04 | Kirkburn | The uni got quite annoyed with the usage of DC++ hubs in the end, almost shut us down |
| 01:55.10 | Kirkburn | *almost* |
| 01:55.25 | Kirkburn | I'm not sure either Hob :P |
| 01:55.29 | Hobinheim | dc is pretty good, we used it too |
| 01:56.11 | Kirkburn | We used most of the the uni's bandwidth at one point =) |
| 01:56.26 | Hobinheim | supposedly 90% of the internet's traffick is bit torrent |
| 01:56.41 | Hobinheim | i wouldn't doubt that. bittorrent is ABSURD compared to the pre-bittorrent days |
| 01:56.45 | Kirkburn | We sorted out a better setup in the end though, and especially good since no outsiders could get on the network |
| 01:58.49 | Teomyr | Hobinheim, example: http://simonveith.de/wowwikitest/index.php/Footnotes_Test |
| 01:58.50 | Kirkburn | Bah, Lilo and Stitch I reckon, and to hell with not having my gf here :( |
| 01:59.01 | Hobinheim | dude do you know where Brixton is |
| 01:59.25 | Hobinheim | whoooaaaaaaaaaa |
| 01:59.37 | Hobinheim | lol wtf am i looking at |
| 01:59.48 | Hobinheim | it's like an evil clone |
| 01:59.52 | Teomyr | hrhr |
| 02:00.08 | Hobinheim | who are you! |
| 02:00.13 | Hobinheim | necromancer! |
| 02:00.26 | Hobinheim | and i just realized i have tab completion in trillian..... |
| 02:01.00 | Hobinheim | w/e doesn't that require a refs module? |
| 02:01.11 | Hobinheim | my main point is what i provided doesn't use plugins |
| 02:01.15 | Hobinheim | cuz we don't have server access |
| 02:01.19 | Hobinheim | but that's neato |
| 02:01.47 | Teomyr | thanks :) |
| 02:02.00 | Teomyr | well, yeah, mine uses extensions |
| 02:03.51 | Kirkburn | Awesome, we're such an encyclopaedia now :D http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Arthropods |
| 02:04.40 | Kirkburn | That's not even real Lorum ipsum! :O |
| 02:04.57 | Hobinheim | uhh aren't all humanoids anthros |
| 02:05.04 | Hobinheim | wait |
| 02:05.07 | Adys | arthro |
| 02:05.09 | Adys | not anthro |
| 02:05.12 | Kirkburn | Only the scary ones ... |
| 02:05.22 | Hobinheim | i can't read |
| 02:05.27 | Hobinheim | small font =( |
| 02:05.29 | Kirkburn | That could be a problem |
| 02:05.48 | Kirkburn | Excuses, excuses :P |
| 02:05.52 | Kirkburn | Yes, I know Brixton |
| 02:05.57 | Teomyr | which browser? |
| 02:06.25 | Kirkburn | (I think he's talking about the IRC writing) |
| 02:10.32 | Teomyr | i think i resolved the bug with ff not making the tooltip sticky |
| 02:10.45 | Teomyr | well, at least i found it ^^ |
| 02:11.03 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 02:11.16 | Teomyr | it's because the tooltip is closed when you mouse over the border graphics, they're probably not considered part of it |
| 02:11.50 | Kirkburn | I'm off |
| 02:11.52 | Kirkburn | G'night! |
| 02:11.56 | Adys | gn :) |
| 02:11.56 | Teomyr | night |
| 02:12.10 | Kirkburn | Have a fun night! |
| 02:12.17 | Adys | teomyr, why not just overlap the border over the icon? |
| 02:12.27 | Adys | instead of removing the borders of the original icon |
| 02:12.52 | Adys | We can insert the icon in a pretty background with a pretty new border over it |
| 02:13.13 | Adys | and that gives the choice to the reader to be able to still get the original icon |
| 02:13.17 | Adys | (which i prefer) |
| 02:13.27 | Teomyr | there are issues with that |
| 02:13.49 | Teomyr | for example, the new border must fully cover the old one, which isn't always the case |
| 02:14.00 | Teomyr | and it's hard to use alpha transparency with that :/ |
| 02:20.24 | [zeal] | wiki slow? : / |
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| 02:25.15 | [zeal] | correct me if i'm but, it should be Cenarius' not Cenarius's right? |
| 02:25.22 | [zeal] | *i'm wrong but |
| 02:26.35 | Hobinheim | depends |
| 02:26.41 | Hobinheim | if cenarius is one person |
| 02:26.44 | Hobinheim | and he owns something |
| 02:26.45 | Adys | no you're not wrong zeal |
| 02:26.49 | Hobinheim | cenarius's is a possibility |
| 02:26.54 | Hobinheim | i prefer it that way, since it's simpler |
| 02:27.09 | Hobinheim | you should look up an english style guide |
| 02:27.16 | Hobinheim | with cenarius's you can't be wrong |
| 02:27.29 | Adys | Cenarius' Sons |
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| 02:28.30 | [zeal] | nope i am wrong |
| 02:28.34 | [zeal] | just looked it up |
| 02:29.10 | Hobinheim | Cenarius's Sons? |
| 02:29.20 | [zeal] | yuup |
| 02:29.24 | Hobinheim | if it's not a formal title, you could always say the Daughters of Censarius |
| 02:29.27 | Hobinheim | *Cenarius |
| 02:30.15 | [zeal] | "add 's to the singular form of the word (even if it ends in -s) eg. James's hat" Cenarius is singular |
| 02:32.07 | [zeal] | i really should have been taught this stuff bak in school.. god i hate the education system. |
| 02:32.11 | [zeal] | *back |
| 02:39.48 | Adys | www.slowwiki.com |
| 02:42.20 | Hobinheim | what command do i use to see if someone registered |
| 02:50.40 | [zeal] | lol, same Adys |
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| 02:51.40 | [zeal] | /whois Hobinheim |
| 02:52.37 | Hobinheim | what is slowwiki.com |
| 02:52.44 | Adys | guess :| |
| 02:52.51 | Hobinheim | oh are we not loading =( |
| 02:52.56 | Hobinheim | it's not tuesday! |
| 02:53.02 | Adys | not useful when doing icons |
| 02:53.03 | Hobinheim | paging tekkub |
| 02:53.04 | [zeal] | :( |
| 02:53.06 | Adys | now i had some time baj |
| 02:53.07 | Adys | bah* |
| 02:53.24 | [zeal] | notuseful when previewing new layout, lol. |
| 02:53.31 | Hobinheim | the wowi lounge blows, everyone's sitting there but no chat |
| 02:56.49 | Adys | yay its back fullspeed |
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| 02:57.42 | Hobinheim | negative sir |
| 02:58.20 | Adys | was =P |
| 02:59.56 | Adys | [[:Category:WoW Icons: Inventory Shield]] : Complete! |
| 02:59.56 | [zeal] | whats the difference between a widget and a function? |
| 03:00.15 | Hobinheim | a widget is an interactable item, a function is code that runs |
| 03:00.21 | Hobinheim | a button is a widget, a frame is a widget |
| 03:00.28 | Hobinheim | interacting with a button or a frame may fire a function |
| 03:00.31 | [zeal] | ah i see |
| 03:00.49 | Hobinheim | functions can fire independently of widgets |
| 03:00.58 | Hobinheim | i.e. plugins that are chat-based/no interface |
| 03:32.04 | [zeal] | anyone knwo the links to the korean and chinese 'forums' |
| 03:32.05 | [zeal] | ? |
| 03:33.31 | [zeal] | i swear the uk doesn't like china.. or the other way around. takes a million years to load a page and its rare it will ever manage to even load |
| 03:33.58 | [zeal] | probably the the great (fire)wall of china |
| 03:33.58 | [zeal] | lol |
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| 04:03.55 | Baggins | yawn |
| 04:04.37 | Adys | ello Baggins =) |
| 04:04.43 | Baggins | HI :) |
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| 04:05.02 | Baggins | how to do I see who is in the channel in xchat? |
| 04:06.22 | Baggins | Is kirkburn on? |
| 04:07.59 | Adys | mm |
| 04:08.05 | Adys | Kirkburn left some time ago for bed |
| 04:08.51 | Baggins | ahh |
| 04:08.54 | Baggins | alright |
| 04:12.24 | Baggins | ahh theron is removing information again... |
| 04:13.21 | Adys | hmm |
| 04:14.27 | Adys | hes getting annoying aye |
| 04:14.40 | Baggins | he just removed quoations I made |
| 04:14.53 | Baggins | min antonidus and started an edit war |
| 04:15.03 | Baggins | *in antonidus thread |
| 04:15.11 | Adys | aye saw that |
| 04:15.17 | Baggins | can you warn you him please? |
| 04:15.26 | Baggins | he's been told not to do this before :p |
| 04:15.30 | Baggins | I think he has something against me |
| 04:15.37 | Adys | Plenty of times aye - http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Theron_the_Just |
| 04:15.53 | Adys | he needs to chill |
| 04:15.56 | Baggins | I don't know I think he's been warned one time to manh |
| 04:16.22 | Adys | im gonna let kirk or ragestorm sort it |
| 04:16.26 | Adys | just putting a new warning |
| 04:16.45 | Hobinheim | paging tekkub |
| 04:16.57 | Baggins | I'd put him on the vandal list, and point out he's been warned but that's not my job... especially if he's got a grudge atainst me |
| 04:17.48 | Hobinheim | ugh who's fishy mcgee |
| 04:18.01 | Baggins | but he's always removing stuff I add from the RPG and novels... even when I quote the pages and everything... Its getting on my erves |
| 04:18.15 | Baggins | hmm fishy mcgee sounds familiar |
| 04:18.34 | Baggins | didn't he remove stuff from blood elf or draenei pages a few week sago |
| 04:18.48 | Baggins | or write up a non-neutral opinion |
| 04:18.53 | Baggins | in those pages |
| 04:19.05 | Hobinheim | once he goes bananas, call me and i'll break out the [Ban Hammer[ |
| 04:19.17 | Hobinheim | a well-formed [Ban Hammer] |
| 04:19.27 | Baggins | LOL |
| 04:19.41 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Theron_the_Just there you go, and rolled back his changes |
| 04:20.27 | Baggins | He also hit knights page, removing section on Knights in WoW |
| 04:20.47 | Adys | noticed |
| 04:20.51 | Adys | im gonna stick to this tho |
| 04:20.57 | Baggins | ya one thing at a time |
| 04:21.12 | Baggins | I'll fix knights tomorrow sometime |
| 04:21.16 | Tekkub | nani? |
| 04:21.21 | Baggins | if kirk doesn't get to it first |
| 04:22.20 | Hobinheim | where do mod developers do their work |
| 04:22.32 | Adys | in lua files hob |
| 04:22.38 | Hobinheim | like with a cvs/svn setup. cuz i'm staring at wowace and it feels like people revolve there |
| 04:22.44 | Hobinheim | but what if they aren't ace mods |
| 04:22.59 | Hobinheim | and i haven't looked too deeply but i feel like there's no section that says THIS IS HOW TO MAKE AN ACE MOD |
| 04:23.21 | Hobinheim | i have so many ideas for mods but i lack the real strength to code it out. wondering if a well-setup environment would be the way to go |
| 04:23.30 | Hobinheim | instead of amateurishly hitting reload over notepad |
| 04:23.53 | Adys | i really like the wowace community |
| 04:23.56 | Baggins | sigh, I have this feeling that blizzard is against fan community mods they either take the ideas and half heartly include them in patches, or break other mods... |
| 04:23.59 | Hobinheim | maybe rent-a-coder... =/ i feel so retarded i'm a professional programmer and i can't even program a frame |
| 04:24.40 | Baggins | what kind of mod you wanting to make? |
| 04:25.08 | Baggins | = knows nothing about programming, but wishes I did. |
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| 04:25.27 | Adys | lore and modding dont go well together |
| 04:25.38 | Baggins | LOL |
| 04:25.49 | [zeal] | i could manage the scripting side of things.. but i couldn't grasps frames, they appeared relaly convoluted and impratical to me. |
| 04:26.15 | [zeal] | and lo Baggins :p |
| 04:26.28 | Baggins | Hi |
| 04:27.26 | Hobinheim | i couldn't help but comment on fishy mcgee |
| 04:27.31 | Baggins | I'm going to San Francisco tomorrow, hoping its a nice day. |
| 04:27.42 | Adys | enjoy baggins =) |
| 04:27.48 | Baggins | thanks |
| 04:28.02 | Hobinheim | one mod to manage warlock stones and another mod to pick up where auto battle left off |
| 04:28.33 | Baggins | nice |
| 04:30.26 | Hobinheim | i've mentioned both of these here and in wowi before but like... i don't know what to do. i don't feel like throwing my own man hours at it because i'm so ignorant as to where to start, and i don't really... egh. feel like doing that. "don't have enough time". like where would i find charitable souls to be like "sure i'll code your mod for you lolz" |
| 04:30.56 | Baggins | :( |
| 04:33.34 | Adys | aight, gonna hit the sack |
| 04:33.38 | Adys | gn all :) |
| 04:33.42 | [zeal] | i take on too much at a whim.. i dropped the idea for my own ui after everything i was planning as slowly started to either be eliminated (restrictions or no longer needed) or done (although poorly). |
| 04:33.49 | [zeal] | same, nn all |
| 04:34.12 | Baggins | gn |
| 04:34.36 | Baggins | So we going to have a private wiki for wowwiki staff? |
| 04:34.40 | Baggins | erm irc |
| 04:35.44 | Hobinheim | who's idea was that |
| 04:36.27 | Baggins | No one had the idea, I was wondering. |
| 04:37.09 | Baggins | Just thinking it might be nice for discussing internal policies and the like without resorting to wowwiki Talk pages. |
| 04:37.31 | Baggins | so that people can't read in on "private messages" |
| 04:37.35 | Hobinheim | here's fine |
| 04:37.45 | Baggins | always use private message mode |
| 04:37.48 | Baggins | in this |
| 04:38.12 | Baggins | *can always |
| 04:38.35 | Hobinheim | why was llane wyrnn moved |
| 04:38.38 | Hobinheim | http://www.wowwiki.com/Llane_Wrynn |
| 04:39.08 | Baggins | uh looks like he added the "I" from the ingame statue. |
| 04:39.38 | Hobinheim | i think we should move it back |
| 04:39.54 | Hobinheim | it's just like the draenei thing... there's no need to namespace something if it doesn't clash with anything else |
| 04:39.59 | Hobinheim | are there any other llane wyrnns |
| 04:40.07 | Baggins | Llane Wrynn III |
| 04:40.17 | Baggins | oh that was adamant |
| 04:40.33 | Baggins | checking the wrynn disambig |
| 04:40.50 | Baggins | Nope doesn't seem to be any others |
| 04:40.51 | Hobinheim | ugh i'm getting tired... |
| 04:40.52 | Hobinheim | peace |
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| 04:42.27 | Baggins | hmm did I scare him away? :p j/k |
| 04:45.12 | Baggins | anyone know how to view userlist in xchat 2? |
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| 04:46.04 | Baggins | welcome back |
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| 04:49.17 | GGnoob | sup |
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| 04:57.33 | Baggins | well gnight all |
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| 08:11.55 | tetsuo86 | Hey everyone! |
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| 10:35.03 | Tekkub | crazy ass brits |
| 10:35.15 | Tekkub | watchin the last torchwood |
| 10:35.40 | Tekkub | their subtitles for the Japaneese even has a british accent |
| 10:35.44 | Tekkub | "Mum!" |
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| 12:32.50 | Tumples | hey guys, is anyone awake? |
| 12:33.09 | Tumples | hello |
| 12:33.13 | Adys | ello |
| 12:33.20 | Tumples | have you downloaded 2.03? |
| 12:33.32 | Adys | yeah |
| 12:33.47 | Tumples | did you do it from a mirror or from the blizz downloader |
| 12:33.56 | Adys | blizz's |
| 12:34.01 | Tumples | ah |
| 12:34.09 | Tumples | that doesnt work for me, so i had to use a mirror |
| 12:34.12 | Tumples | and now it wont install |
| 12:34.13 | Tumples | :'( |
| 12:36.20 | Tumples | have you ever had the error in the updater "there is no patch file to install" |
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| 13:54.05 | Tepetkhet | ConGrabulations...dirty stinkin' Alliance. ;) |
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| 14:39.15 | dotted | http://www.wowwiki.com/skins/common/images/redirectltr.png shouldnt this be white :)? |
| 14:41.55 | Apollozeus | it should be |
| 14:41.58 | Apollozeus | D: |
| 14:42.10 | Apollozeus | make it white and send it to rustak I guess |
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| 15:28.52 | Trae | once you hit 60, and you have all your talent points, do you get anymore in BC? |
| 15:29.16 | Tepetkhet | Hm. Interesting. |
| 15:29.19 | Trae | and will the tree expand? |
| 15:29.33 | Trae | I mean... I'm almost to all of mine at 57 (that are worth a hoot) |
| 15:29.52 | Trae | do we go back and pick up other things like say I'm full shadow, I pick up other points in disc or holy? |
| 15:29.55 | Trae | heh |
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| 15:30.43 | sfl | Trae is a turd |
| 15:30.45 | Trae | heh |
| 15:30.56 | Trae | goob |
| 15:31.19 | Trae | sfl, dinged 57 last night |
| 15:31.31 | sfl | dork |
| 15:31.44 | Trae | hey now, you hurt my feelings |
| 15:31.54 | sfl | oh... GRATZ! LOL! |
| 15:32.01 | Trae | heh |
| 15:32.25 | Trae | hope to hit 59 at least this weekend |
| 15:32.33 | sfl | lot of work to do that |
| 15:32.41 | Trae | yeah |
| 15:32.44 | sfl | you up to 200k xp points yet |
| 15:32.46 | equiraptor | You get one talent point per level above 9. |
| 15:32.48 | Trae | nah |
| 15:32.49 | Trae | not yet |
| 15:32.59 | equiraptor | So at level 60 you have 51 points, and at level 70, you'll have 61 points. |
| 15:33.15 | Trae | equiraptor, right but... are there going to be more abilities to get in BC? |
| 15:33.19 | equiraptor | No. |
| 15:33.23 | Trae | equiraptor, cause.... I have vamp touch now. |
| 15:33.30 | equiraptor | The 41 point trees are (basically) the trees as they are in TBC. |
| 15:33.30 | Trae | and it's the highest thing on my shadow tree |
| 15:33.41 | equiraptor | There may be some minor changes, but they're still the 41 point trees. |
| 15:33.57 | equiraptor | Right, and before the TBC trees were introduced, you could get an end-tree talent and put 20 points in another tree. |
| 15:33.59 | Trae | guess I'll stick some stuff in disc then |
| 15:34.13 | equiraptor | Now, if you get an end tree talent at 60, you can only put 10 in another tree. At level 70, it will be back to 20. |
| 15:34.15 | sfl | improved shield |
| 15:34.20 | Tepetkhet | hm |
| 15:34.24 | sfl | unbreakable will |
| 15:34.32 | Trae | yeah |
| 15:34.35 | Trae | that's a good one |
| 15:35.02 | Tepetkhet | Well, rogues get a different moneyshot subtlety talent in BC. |
| 15:35.08 | Tepetkhet | Because it's Cloak of Shadows right now. |
| 15:35.13 | Tepetkhet | And that'll be trainable at level 68 |
| 15:35.23 | Tepetkhet | I think that's what I remember reading. |
| 15:35.24 | equiraptor | Yeah, but that's a minor change by the way I'm talking now. |
| 15:35.26 | Tepetkhet | I could be wrong. |
| 15:35.41 | equiraptor | It doesn't change the trees so that the end talent is 51 or 61 points deep. |
| 15:35.51 | Tepetkhet | ahhh |
| 15:35.57 | Tepetkhet | I see what you're saying. |
| 15:36.03 | Tepetkhet | We used to have a 31 point moneyshot. |
| 15:36.07 | Tepetkhet | And now we have a 41 point moneyshot. |
| 15:36.12 | sfl | i love moneyshots |
| 15:36.19 | Trae | heh |
| 15:36.25 | Tepetkhet | (yes, I know...I'm using moneyshot way too much) |
| 15:36.26 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 15:36.26 | equiraptor | And it's not going up any higher with TBC. It may go up later, but not yet. :) |
| 15:36.47 | Tepetkhet | hah |
| 15:37.12 | equiraptor | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=rVMhzhZZE0gzMtR0tEo I think something like that may be my priest's TBC leveling spec (obviously, getting points as she can). |
| 15:37.23 | equiraptor | Ooh, oooh, I have (softcore) porn of me! |
| 15:37.38 | equiraptor | Encrypted. But it exists. :) |
| 15:37.40 | Tepetkhet | equiraptor: Your ribs don't count. |
| 15:37.52 | equiraptor | Yeah. You haven't seen the un-cropped image. |
| 15:37.54 | Trae | sfl, corrupts, absolutly. |
| 15:37.56 | Tepetkhet | True. |
| 15:38.30 | Tepetkhet | I still haven't started working on enchanting mats for my new dagger. |
| 15:38.35 | Tepetkhet | I suppose I should do that. |
| 15:38.44 | Tepetkhet | But...I really want Lifestealing instead of agi. |
| 15:39.12 | Tepetkhet | Even though everybody tells me agi. I'm stubborn. |
| 15:39.38 | equiraptor | Main hand or off? |
| 15:39.46 | Tepetkhet | Main hand. |
| 15:39.54 | equiraptor | Meh, I can see being stubborn about that. |
| 15:39.59 | sfl | i use my off hand, need the stronger hand to hold up the magazine |
| 15:40.04 | Tepetkhet | I already have agi on my offhand. |
| 15:40.08 | Tepetkhet | hah |
| 15:40.10 | equiraptor | Yeah. |
| 15:40.18 | sfl | sorry |
| 15:40.46 | sfl | hah |
| 15:41.22 | Tepetkhet | Wait, wait. |
| 15:42.14 | Tepetkhet | In other news... |
| 15:42.27 | Tepetkhet | People in my guild are being meter whores. |
| 15:42.47 | Tepetkhet | After every fight, "Okay, somebody post damage meters! Where am I? Huh? Huh?" |
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| 15:43.20 | Tepetkhet | And then there are the DPSers who charge in before DPS has been called for so they can get that extra DPS in. |
| 15:43.34 | Tepetkhet | It's really grating on my nerves. |
| 15:43.42 | Trae | Tepetkhet, heh |
| 15:43.42 | Tepetkhet | People who should know better are doing it. |
| 15:43.50 | equiraptor | I knew a guild that actually rewarded people for being on the top of the DPS meter. |
| 15:43.57 | Tepetkhet | The main tank who recently respecced fury. |
| 15:43.58 | equiraptor | But the punishment for pulling aggro was harsh. |
| 15:44.02 | Tepetkhet | And stopped leading raids. |
| 15:44.06 | Trae | I was out DPS'ing a Warrior the other night and didn't even know a Priest COULD out dps anyone. |
| 15:44.14 | equiraptor | heh |
| 15:44.24 | Tepetkhet | Trae: Shadow? |
| 15:44.30 | Trae | the guy was like "Let me run stats...." "oh dude, you are doing the most dps (this was in a msg)" |
| 15:44.30 | equiraptor | I *think*, shadow priests can out-burst-DPS warlocks. |
| 15:44.30 | Trae | yah |
| 15:44.37 | Tepetkhet | yeah |
| 15:44.52 | Trae | all shadow |
| 15:44.52 | Tepetkhet | And it's not hard to out-DPS a warrior...they should be taking damage, not dishing it out. |
| 15:44.58 | Trae | nod |
| 15:45.02 | Trae | but... I didn't know that |
| 15:45.03 | Trae | heh |
| 15:45.13 | equiraptor | Pout. |
| 15:45.15 | Tepetkhet | Oh, he can still hold aggro. |
| 15:45.18 | equiraptor | Did he keep at least a few in prot? |
| 15:45.28 | Trae | most peeps don't want a shadow priest htough |
| 15:45.36 | equiraptor | I've been *told* you don't *need* more than ~13 in prot to be a great main tank until the really, really nasty stuff. |
| 15:45.39 | Trae | they want you to sit back and heal |
| 15:45.48 | Tepetkhet | Trae: very true. Horde-side we're so short of actual HEALERS. |
| 15:45.59 | Tepetkhet | We're short of good healing on raids a lot. |
| 15:46.12 | equiraptor | When I raided, the priests in the guild fought over who would be forced to go shadow. |
| 15:46.12 | Tepetkhet | We'll have nice healing and okay healing and oh, isn't that cute healing. |
| 15:46.14 | sfl | big difference between shadow priest and warlock is that lock spells mostly don't have regen and the DoTs are better |
| 15:46.20 | Trae | but if you do it right you can heal just fine AND dps |
| 15:46.25 | equiraptor | We had a ton of priests, and wanted one for the increased shadow damage for locks. |
| 15:46.46 | Tepetkhet | And we don't want the healers going out of mana in a long fight because they were busy trying to do damage. |
| 15:46.50 | equiraptor | All of them wanted to be healbots. |
| 15:47.02 | Tepetkhet | Wow, equi. |
| 15:47.13 | Tepetkhet | Hordeside, everybody wants to do damage and melt faces. |
| 15:47.16 | Trae | I got tired of watching healthbars between L30-L50 |
| 15:47.18 | Trae | heh |
| 15:47.30 | Tepetkhet | At least the feral druids are happy now. |
| 15:47.36 | Tepetkhet | We let them go all out feral now. |
| 15:47.37 | equiraptor | Lots do alliance side, too. |
| 15:47.54 | Tepetkhet | Just put one of those Improved Leader of the Pack kitties in with me! |
| 15:47.58 | equiraptor | But on the PvE server, many actually want that healbot roll. Our guild was really competitive about healing. |
| 15:48.05 | Tepetkhet | I beg for feral druids now. |
| 15:48.05 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 15:48.35 | Tepetkhet | I don't even care if they take "my" gear now. |
| 15:48.55 | Tepetkhet | Mostly because I have 3 pieces of my tier1 and a few other choice pieces...heh |
| 15:50.01 | Tepetkhet | I was running through UBRS with a newbie druid and he was tripping when I left him take Shadowcraft tunic. |
| 15:50.23 | equiraptor | I would have been, too. :) |
| 15:50.51 | Tepetkhet | Too bad it never dropped when it was actually relevant for me... |
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| 16:00.29 | equiraptor | Is wanadoo.fr a large ISP in France? I seem to see a lot of people with that hostname. |
| 16:01.20 | Trae | reflective shield seems good.... |
| 16:01.27 | Trae | any you guys know priest that go full DIsc? |
| 16:01.27 | Tepetkhet | Yes. |
| 16:01.35 | Tepetkhet | A very large ISP of spammers and stuff. |
| 16:01.35 | Tepetkhet | heh |
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| 16:01.47 | Adys | equiraptor: yeah quite large |
| 16:01.50 | equiraptor | heh |
| 16:01.59 | equiraptor | Seems to also have lots of "valid" people. :) |
| 16:02.08 | Tepetkhet | Poor Adys would not be able to e-mail me. |
| 16:02.24 | Adys | eh? :P |
| 16:02.35 | equiraptor | I figured it had to be fairly large for my little small-world-American self to notice. ;) |
| 16:02.43 | Tepetkhet | I blackholed all traffic from wanadoo.fr to my server. |
| 16:03.23 | Adys | I dont use their shitty webmail :P |
| 16:03.26 | Adys | gmail ftw |
| 16:04.10 | equiraptor | heh |
| 16:08.02 | Tepetkhet | hah |
| 16:08.26 | Tepetkhet | There's also an ISP in Germany that gets the same treatment. |
| 16:08.32 | Tepetkhet | t-dialin.net |
| 16:08.40 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Inquisition |
| 16:08.42 | Tepetkhet | And a couple in Asia. |
| 16:08.45 | Adys | "Top guild on the alliance." |
| 16:08.50 | Adys | And they cant spell Kel Thuzad |
| 16:09.01 | Tepetkhet | You forgot the ' |
| 16:09.07 | Adys | I know. |
| 16:09.15 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 16:09.29 | Kirkburn | Y'know, I should have explored the wiki preferences more |
| 16:10.11 | Adys | whats up in there? |
| 16:12.58 | Adys | * |
| 16:12.58 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/A_Team - First alliance guild on Stonemaul US server to take down Kel'thuzad in Naxxramus. |
| 16:16.26 | Tepetkhet | Our server hasn't seen him fall yet. |
| 16:16.40 | Apollozeus | A Team? |
| 16:16.46 | Apollozeus | lol... |
| 16:16.49 | Adys | same here, loatheb down one day before 2.0 and then stuck at 4hm |
| 16:17.17 | Tepetkhet | Stupid 2.0 patch |
| 16:17.22 | Adys | indeed :( |
| 16:17.29 | Tepetkhet | A lot of raiding guilds falling apart... |
| 16:17.32 | Tepetkhet | PvPing instead... |
| 16:17.33 | Adys | if only it didnt kill raiding maybe kt would been down by now |
| 16:17.50 | Tepetkhet | Sick of getting the other faction's purples, too. |
| 16:18.09 | Tepetkhet | We had pally boots drop off of both MC bosses we killed last night. |
| 16:18.13 | Tepetkhet | er, pally gear |
| 16:18.18 | Tepetkhet | Boots and something else. |
| 16:25.52 | Tepetkhet | hm |
| 16:25.53 | Tepetkhet | Yeah. |
| 16:26.06 | Adys | mm? |
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| 16:26.14 | Tepetkhet | The highest any guild on our server's at is Gothik the Harvester and Heigan the Unclean. |
| 16:26.20 | Tuqui-tuqui | hi! \o/ |
| 16:26.24 | Tepetkhet | I don't see that any are even on 4HM. |
| 16:26.25 | Adys | ello tuqui |
| 16:26.28 | Tuqui-tuqui | :D |
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| 16:28.19 | Trae | have any of you guys seen a non-elite drop 1g+? |
| 16:28.29 | Tepetkhet | Vendor trash. |
| 16:28.37 | Tuqui-tuqui | fishing ^_^ |
| 16:28.40 | Trae | heh |
| 16:28.52 | Trae | well... just wondering... |
| 16:28.52 | Adys | a non elite? |
| 16:28.54 | Adys | Nah |
| 16:29.03 | Adys | seen some non elite drop 60s in the beta |
| 16:29.06 | Tepetkhet | The slimes in Felwood drop vendor trash worth 1g sometimes. |
| 16:29.13 | Trae | Adys, ahhh |
| 16:29.14 | Trae | ok |
| 16:29.18 | Tepetkhet | Or more. |
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| 16:39.30 | Tepetkhet | Wow. |
| 16:39.32 | Tepetkhet | Interesting. |
| 16:39.49 | Tepetkhet | I found a new 2 col layout that fixed some bugs. |
| 16:39.53 | Tepetkhet | But now it's causing new ones. |
| 16:40.20 | equiraptor | Isn't that always the way? :/ |
| 16:40.27 | Tepetkhet | Yes. :( |
| 16:47.24 | Kirkburn | The mobs in Outland drop a shedload of cash :) |
| 16:47.40 | Kirkburn | Getting the money for the normal mount will be piss easy |
| 16:49.06 | Kirkburn | I recommend you turn on the option to remind yourself to add an edit summary! |
| 16:50.40 | Adys | using edit summaries when you do massive changes on 100 different pages is really annoying tbh |
| 16:51.01 | Adys | and since i usually do these changes by copypaste i cant have a default edit summary or sth |
| 16:51.26 | Kirkburn | Laaazeeee |
| 16:51.28 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 16:51.28 | Tuqui-tuqui | hmm... I like tacos? ¬.¬ |
| 16:51.50 | Kirkburn | Woot: http://www.wowwiki.com/Instance_guide#Outland |
| 16:51.58 | Kirkburn | I just expanded it to cover all wings |
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| 16:52.04 | Hobinheim | back to bitchx, i hate life |
| 16:52.19 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Hobinheim] by ChanServ |
| 16:52.34 | Kirkburn | That's 23 new instances :D |
| 16:52.47 | Kirkburn | infobot, hug Hobinheim |
| 16:55.55 | Hobinheim | i think... infobot is still on my shitlist |
| 16:55.58 | Hobinheim | and i don't know how to remove |
| 16:55.58 | equiraptor | Hobinheim: Why bitchx? |
| 16:56.07 | Hobinheim | equiraptor, what else |
| 16:56.09 | equiraptor | Have you considered irssi instead? |
| 16:56.16 | Hobinheim | is it terminal only? |
| 16:56.23 | equiraptor | Sort of. |
| 16:56.33 | Tepetkhet | Sort of? |
| 16:56.38 | equiraptor | Plain irssi is terminal only, but it's pretty clean and people build guis for it, too. |
| 16:56.42 | Hobinheim | i need a straight up console app, i'm not in x-windows |
| 16:56.45 | equiraptor | Yup. |
| 16:56.50 | equiraptor | irssi is that. |
| 16:56.56 | equiraptor | Only less bitchy than bitchx. |
| 16:57.30 | Hobinheim | i don't see any linux binaries |
| 16:57.35 | equiraptor | So build it. |
| 16:57.40 | Hobinheim | go kill yourself |
| 16:57.45 | equiraptor | It builds quickly and easily on pretty much anything except OS X. |
| 16:57.46 | Hobinheim | i hate *nix whatever |
| 16:57.55 | equiraptor | What distribution do you use? |
| 16:58.05 | Hobinheim | i'm on a hosted server, not sure |
| 16:58.06 | Hobinheim | debian maybe? |
| 16:58.09 | equiraptor | Ah. |
| 16:58.21 | equiraptor | Then you probably would need to build it, unless it's already installed. :( |
| 16:58.41 | equiraptor | It's worth building, IMO, but I'm a FreeBSD/Gentoo person, so I build everything anyway. :) |
| 16:59.11 | Kirkburn | infobot, hello? |
| 16:59.12 | infobot | Howdy Bub |
| 16:59.15 | equiraptor | ALso, they may not allow you to build things on a hosted machine. |
| 16:59.23 | Kirkburn | infobot, hug Hobinheim |
| 16:59.33 | Kirkburn | *sigh* |
| 16:59.48 | Kirkburn | infobot, why? |
| 16:59.50 | infobot | Because! |
| 17:00.04 | Hobinheim | infobot, hug infobot |
| 17:00.14 | Hobinheim | infobot, dance |
| 17:00.16 | infobot | ACTION <("<) <('_')> (>")> Dance Kirby Dance! |
| 17:00.16 | Kirkburn | infobot, lart Hobinheim |
| 17:00.22 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 17:00.25 | Hobinheim | infobot, what is love? |
| 17:00.27 | infobot | Hobinheim: what are you talking about? |
| 17:00.37 | Hobinheim | infobot, don't hurt me |
| 17:00.42 | Hobinheim | infobot, don't hurt me, no more |
| 17:00.54 | Kirkburn | ~emulate Kirkburn |
| 17:00.55 | infobot | Yes, Microsoft! Harder! |
| 17:01.00 | Kirkburn | Such fun :P |
| 17:02.41 | Kirkburn | Any other special wiki pages people want sprucing up? |
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| 17:20.33 | Kirkburn | zomg more mediawiki hacking :P |
| 17:22.25 | Adys | lol kirk nice |
| 17:24.03 | Kirkburn | Thought it might help a little :) Nice to use green instead of red for once too :P |
| 17:24.21 | Adys | Yeah gives a break from xmas colors... not :P |
| 17:25.45 | Hobinheim | blah... |
| 17:26.13 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 17:27.04 | Hobinheim | :shakefist: argg "colour" |
| 17:27.11 | Hobinheim | i knew that would happen eventually |
| 17:29.23 | amro | how do I make {{questbox}} display more than one reputation gain? |
| 17:29.41 | Adys | dont think you can |
| 17:29.49 | Hobinheim | just break them up with <br/> |
| 17:29.58 | Adys | Bah |
| 17:30.16 | Hobinheim | what else |
| 17:30.29 | Hobinheim | what would be the alternative =P |
| 17:30.41 | Adys | reputation2= |
| 17:30.45 | [Zeal] | lo all |
| 17:30.48 | Adys | and if nil then 0 |
| 17:31.11 | Hobinheim | that's actually what blizzard's quest database looks like |
| 17:31.20 | Hobinheim | reward1, reward2, reward3, reward4 |
| 17:31.21 | Hobinheim | yuck |
| 17:31.23 | amro | <br/> works nicely |
| 17:31.37 | Hobinheim | which would imply that a quest can only do so much |
| 17:31.46 | Adys | its enough for now but if we want database relations ... |
| 17:31.46 | Kirkburn | A note from a coder: <br> is not a real code, but the wiki accepts it. User <br/>, it's good to use the right code! |
| 17:31.53 | [Zeal] | and fyi, wannado is formerly freeserve.co.uk, which then got bought by the french, renamed wannado, and got loaded with spammers. |
| 17:32.12 | Kirkburn | [Zeal], indeedy :P |
| 17:32.12 | Adys | Wanadoo* |
| 17:32.31 | Adys | Wanadoo's been bought by Orange anyways |
| 17:32.39 | [Zeal] | yeah.. mediawiki is supposed to translate all <br>'s to <br/> on its own. |
| 17:32.43 | [Zeal] | it has? lol |
| 17:32.52 | Adys | Yeah about 2-3 months ago i think |
| 17:32.57 | Adys | around that |
| 17:33.08 | [Zeal] | freeserve was my first isp tbh, lol. |
| 17:33.49 | Hobinheim | we need a wiki upgrade... just cuz |
| 17:33.55 | Hobinheim | i don't even know the features gained from doing so |
| 17:34.00 | Hobinheim | i just like the bleeding edge |
| 17:34.04 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 17:34.10 | Adys | bleeding edge? oO |
| 17:34.21 | [Zeal] | makes his eyes bleed |
| 17:34.59 | Kirkburn | *** To admins and patrollers, please go to Preferences, Editing and tick "Mark edits I make as patrolled" *** |
| 17:35.11 | Adys | ooh |
| 17:35.17 | Adys | was searching that earlier on |
| 17:35.39 | Adys | wts slowwiki.com |
| 17:35.39 | Hobinheim | why |
| 17:35.57 | Hobinheim | as an edit patrolled or an entire page forever or a page until a new edit? |
| 17:36.26 | Adys | a page until a new edit |
| 17:36.44 | Adys | patrolled isnt a good word |
| 17:36.51 | Adys | the word "verified" is better |
| 17:36.56 | Hobinheim | oh.... |
| 17:36.59 | Hobinheim | see.. that's hot |
| 17:37.03 | Hobinheim | i wish i new that earlier |
| 17:37.03 | Adys | so its not a spam or anything |
| 17:38.00 | Adys | its quite annoying how they did the system too |
| 17:38.07 | Adys | kinda hard to mark things as patrolled |
| 17:39.11 | Adys | is there a possibility to remove the auto categorization of a template when including it in a page? |
| 17:39.26 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Templates is categorized as Priest Spells | Burning Crusade | Coming Soon | Lore | Warcraft I | Warcraft II | Warcraft III | Warcraft RPG | Trading Card Game | Rumors | Fan fiction | Guilds | Player Characters | Players | Silly | WoWWiki | Templates |
| 17:39.41 | Hobinheim | yes includeonly |
| 17:39.47 | [Zeal] | aye |
| 17:39.49 | Hobinheim | can someone give me the skinny on what a mark as patrolled does... |
| 17:39.58 | Hobinheim | oh to remove |
| 17:39.59 | Hobinheim | ummm |
| 17:40.01 | Hobinheim | =( |
| 17:40.06 | Adys | aye |
| 17:40.07 | Hobinheim | that's why someone used subst and taught me |
| 17:40.08 | Hobinheim | was that you? |
| 17:40.18 | Hobinheim | catfix step 1, catfix step2... |
| 17:40.19 | Adys | aye i did that |
| 17:40.24 | Adys | in the village pump |
| 17:40.27 | Hobinheim | right |
| 17:40.34 | [Zeal] | oh wait, i see what ya mean adys |
| 17:40.35 | Hobinheim | i dunno that's just what i do |
| 17:40.36 | Adys | cba to fix that right now =P but aye |
| 17:40.55 | Hobinheim | i did that in the boiler plate and everyone was like NOO!!! hehehe |
| 17:41.02 | Adys | lol |
| 17:41.19 | Adys | Hob |
| 17:41.26 | Adys | Im thinking for a future bot |
| 17:41.39 | Adys | Which would massively reform item pages |
| 17:41.58 | Hobinheim | hey if you have a request just Talk: to me |
| 17:42.00 | Adys | under the new boilerplate we would decide |
| 17:42.03 | Kirkburn | It is possible to do the WoWWiki:Template fix |
| 17:42.09 | Hobinheim | ? |
| 17:42.19 | Kirkburn | Make each template do this: |
| 17:42.27 | *** part/#wowwiki mahtov (n=vhirst@63.240.103.251) |
| 17:42.31 | Kirkburn | 1. move the code to a sub-page |
| 17:42.41 | Kirkburn | 2. Make the main template page pull in that page |
| 17:42.54 | [Zeal] | why? :s |
| 17:43.02 | Kirkburn | Then link the *code* from WoWWiki:Templates |
| 17:43.18 | Kirkburn | The main template page can be the page that adds the categories |
| 17:43.28 | Tuqui-tuqui | Fishing rocks! :D |
| 17:43.30 | Kirkburn | And shows the fancy 'how to use' stuff |
| 17:43.40 | Adys | or use a subst? =P |
| 17:43.43 | Tuqui-tuqui | I got 4 old skulls in a row though -.- |
| 17:43.49 | [Zeal] | what Adys said |
| 17:43.55 | Kirkburn | subst is painful |
| 17:44.08 | Kirkburn | If the templates are updated, you have to update that page too |
| 17:44.17 | Kirkburn | *every* time |
| 17:44.19 | Adys | true |
| 17:44.28 | [Zeal] | and besides, really.. the instructions should be on the templates themselves anyways.. templates page realy doesn't need all the stuff it has on there. |
| 17:44.30 | Kirkburn | Looking for an example, 2 secs |
| 17:45.11 | Kirkburn | Ah this one works slightly differently, but same idea: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Lowercase |
| 17:45.16 | Hobinheim | i just felt that pain... |
| 17:45.20 | Hobinheim | and that sounds brilliant. i think. |
| 17:45.23 | Adys | the thing is i dont like that some pages are autocategorized as burning crusade when only a section of it is about BC tbh |
| 17:45.26 | Hobinheim | you know who does this? speedydelete |
| 17:45.37 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim, what do you mean? |
| 17:46.07 | Hobinheim | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Speedydelete |
| 17:46.25 | Hobinheim | is that what you meant? i dunno i'm lost now, lol |
| 17:46.42 | Hobinheim | to include the contents of a template w/o auto categorizing the target page |
| 17:47.10 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 17:47.12 | Adys | Here is an example: http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_AddOn_Kit |
| 17:47.18 | Adys | It shouldnt be categorized as BC |
| 17:47.19 | Kirkburn | Ah, exactly! |
| 17:47.23 | Adys | but there is a section about it |
| 17:47.41 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim, that is exactly how they should be made |
| 17:49.20 | Hobinheim | okay so still a little lost. which templates was adys talking about that we need to do this to |
| 17:49.34 | Adys | all the ones in WW:Templates |
| 17:50.00 | Hobinheim | ugh |
| 17:50.13 | Adys | eventually, all the article type templates |
| 17:50.26 | Hobinheim | it'll be in my todo list then... hehehe |
| 17:50.41 | Adys | Ah reminds me |
| 17:51.23 | Adys | is it possible when using an inexisting template through for example {{idontexist|123}}... |
| 17:51.41 | Adys | to link it on the page, but not link it as Template:Idonexist but as Idontexist |
| 17:51.49 | [Zeal] | well i was going to push for better distinction between an inline template and an article template. |
| 17:51.54 | Hobinheim | ??? |
| 17:52.06 | Adys | I dont think thats clear but its a problem which made me create all the Category:Spells by ID as Template:Spell:12345 |
| 17:52.11 | Adys | instead of Spell:12345 |
| 17:52.30 | Adys | its because when you link {{effect|12345|Equip}} |
| 17:52.36 | Adys | and that 12345 doesnt exist |
| 17:52.43 | Adys | it links you the page Template:Spell:12345 |
| 17:52.49 | Adys | instead of Spell:12345 |
| 17:52.58 | Adys | and I want to link Spell:12345 so that its easily created |
| 17:52.58 | Hobinheim | you could do some fancy footwork with the page exists conditionals |
| 17:53.04 | [Zeal] | you can do {{exists|Spell:12345}} |
| 17:53.09 | Hobinheim | i'll defer to tekkub... |
| 17:53.15 | Hobinheim | or someone who knows how to use an exists conditional |
| 17:53.19 | Adys | Hob my idea is here |
| 17:53.41 | Adys | at first we gonna try and find how to do that more easily |
| 17:53.52 | Adys | that, to have more proper namespace for spell articles |
| 17:54.00 | Adys | and be able to categorize them and use {{pagename}} |
| 17:54.05 | Adys | more easily |
| 17:54.19 | Adys | then Ill need your bot skillz =) |
| 17:54.28 | Hobinheim | zomg more namespaces more namespaces |
| 17:54.47 | [Zeal] | chuck on {{Exists|Spell:{{{1}}}|then={{Spell:{{{1}}}}}|else=}} |
| 17:55.28 | Adys | Ideally, if we want a proper database... |
| 17:55.28 | Kirkburn | Warlocks |
| 17:55.29 | Kirkburn | - Felguard AC buffed back up. |
| 17:55.29 | Kirkburn | Woo! |
| 17:55.29 | Adys | we gonna need to have Spell:, Item:, Quest:, etc |
| 17:55.29 | Adys | and wtf lol |
| 17:55.29 | [Zeal] | yeah, that's what i've proposed Adys :P |
| 17:55.35 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Felguard_poem |
| 17:55.35 | [Zeal] | but Skill: instead of Spell: |
| 17:55.49 | Adys | Nah, zeal. check a bit around Spells by ID |
| 17:56.00 | Adys | things like Improved dodge rating by 10 isnt a "skill" |
| 17:56.20 | [Zeal] | yes, but there is far more than spells |
| 17:56.28 | [Zeal] | thats not even a spell anyways |
| 17:56.32 | [Zeal] | it's an effect. |
| 17:56.33 | Kirkburn | [Zeal], for inline templates and article templates - it's been brought up before |
| 17:56.34 | Adys | you wanna bet? ^^ |
| 17:56.57 | [Zeal] | just wanted a term to lump them together |
| 17:56.58 | Kirkburn | (We're already sorting that one out) |
| 17:57.06 | [Zeal] | how so Kirkburn? |
| 17:57.26 | Kirkburn | Well I think I know what you mean anyway |
| 17:57.31 | Adys | easy, there is 1420 class skills, and about 30 000 spells in total, you do the maths to see if theres more skills or spells :p |
| 17:57.36 | Kirkburn | Templates for one page are made a sub-page |
| 17:57.45 | Kirkburn | Wiki-wide templates go in Template: |
| 17:58.16 | [Zeal] | sub-page? |
| 17:58.39 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Page about Wildhammer reputation/WildhammerRepTable |
| 17:58.39 | Kirkburn | Pagename/templatename |
| 17:58.49 | Kirkburn | yeah |
| 17:59.15 | Kirkburn | [Zeal], they're called "spells" |
| 17:59.23 | Adys | instead of http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Tables:ReputationMobs:Wildhammer_Clan |
| 17:59.26 | amro | [Zeal]: WoW considers buffs and effects to be spells |
| 17:59.48 | amro | learning an ability is a spell, crafting an item is also a spell |
| 18:00.08 | [Zeal] | also considers creating items through proffessions spells? :p |
| 18:00.17 | [Zeal] | it does, but meh |
| 18:00.24 | [Zeal] | i'm honestly not bothered anyways |
| 18:00.28 | Adys | yes everything is a spell |
| 18:00.36 | [Zeal] | people want Spell:, fine. |
| 18:00.43 | Adys | what you consider as skill is technically a spell aswell |
| 18:00.53 | Adys | its called otherwise but in game its the same thing |
| 18:01.23 | Adys | On the long term, Sinister Strike would be a summary page summing up all ranks of sinister strike for example |
| 18:01.34 | Adys | tips on how to use, when to use etc |
| 18:01.37 | Adys | so the main info is there |
| 18:01.49 | Adys | and the info about the skill itself is under Spell:yaddiyadda |
| 18:02.21 | [Zeal] | dude, you've won m over, shh :p |
| 18:02.23 | [Zeal] | *me |
| 18:02.30 | Adys | lol |
| 18:02.51 | Adys | I dont mind winning or anything, I just want to explain why it should be that way =P |
| 18:02.54 | [Zeal] | Kirkburn, that makes sense. but it's not inline-article distinction. that's local-global. |
| 18:02.59 | [Zeal] | kk, lol |
| 18:03.08 | Kirkburn | Well, I don't know what you mean then :P |
| 18:03.50 | Kirkburn | I wonder what happens if you make the content of Template:22 ... {{22}} :P |
| 18:04.05 | [Zeal] | probably a good example, is how there is a different version of how to do proposals based on if you're using a whole article, or jsut stuffing it into the talk page. |
| 18:05.49 | [Zeal] | the effectiveness of the category is lost on the vote and proposal when used in a talk page. that really needs something like the ability to add it to the categories, but with some way of showing there is more than one on the page. |
| 18:07.47 | [Zeal] | actualyl screw that.. cos i don't see why most inline templates are even needed.. RPG, Novel, WoW etc. |
| 18:08.31 | [Zeal] | that stuff should be in the header for the page, eg. {{Item}} |
| 18:09.55 | [Zeal] | i wanna see artifact-poor templates gone.. they arent needed. already made {{quality}} as a replacement. |
| 18:10.10 | [Zeal] | but yeah, thats a good use of a global inline template. |
| 18:11.08 | [Zeal] | lartifact-lpoor needs to have if checks added (this would replace the use of artifact-poor) |
| 18:11.15 | [Zeal] | *exist checks |
| 18:11.26 | [Zeal] | and really should just be one template as with {{quality}} |
| 18:13.33 | [Zeal] | and {{qual-colour-artifact}}-{{qual-color-poor}} should just be made {{quality-css}} and only have #<colourhex> |
| 18:14.56 | Adys | Ok something like that... |
| 18:14.57 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Spellarticle&action=edit |
| 18:15.19 | Adys | Now, just need to put some conditionnal templates all around |
| 18:15.47 | Adys | If {{{{FULLPAGENAME}}/Notes}} exists then display else display {{SpellNoNotes}} |
| 18:15.49 | Adys | etc |
| 18:16.21 | [Zeal] | well in reality, the article part should never be needed. |
| 18:16.35 | Adys | except by the user? |
| 18:17.04 | [Zeal] | hm? |
| 18:17.15 | Adys | Ok ffs |
| 18:17.16 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell:00000 |
| 18:17.21 | Adys | it links me Template: all around |
| 18:17.33 | Teomyr | :D |
| 18:18.28 | [Zeal] | well ofc |
| 18:20.16 | [Zeal] | =={{exists|{{FULLPAGENAME}}/Title|then={{{{FULLPAGENAME}}/Title}}}}== that's the sorta thing you want? |
| 18:20.43 | Adys | No, the title part will have to exist |
| 18:20.47 | Adys | whatsoever |
| 18:20.52 | Adys | I only want that for the notes |
| 18:21.29 | Adys | If Fullpagename/Notes exists then={{{{FULLPAGENAME}}/Notes}} else=No notes to display |
| 18:21.41 | [Zeal] | {{exists|{{FULLPAGENAME}}/Notes|then={{{{FULLPAGENAME}}/Notes}}}} then |
| 18:21.58 | Adys | what does it do if it doesnt exist? |
| 18:22.01 | [Zeal] | nothing |
| 18:22.16 | Adys | lets test |
| 18:23.11 | Teomyr | btw zeal, have a look at the tooltip page again |
| 18:23.15 | Adys | exists accepts the else condition? |
| 18:23.19 | Teomyr | sticky tooltips should be fixed for ff now |
| 18:23.49 | [Zeal] | woopsie do |else=}} ;) |
| 18:24.10 | [Zeal] | kk, will o |
| 18:24.12 | [Zeal] | *do |
| 18:24.55 | Tepetkhet | ewww |
| 18:25.48 | [Zeal] | hm.. yep it works Teomyr. mouse on, then mouse off and it goes. |
| 18:25.58 | [Zeal] | and no double appearance |
| 18:26.16 | Teomyr | :) |
| 18:26.39 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Spell:00000 // http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell:00000 |
| 18:26.46 | Teomyr | the problem was that the DIVs/IMGs of the border weren't considered part of the tooltip by FF |
| 18:26.47 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Spellarticle&action=edit doesnt seem to work |
| 18:26.48 | [Zeal] | mouse off, mouse on recalls it though, but i imagine thats intended. |
| 18:27.10 | Teomyr | yes |
| 18:27.48 | Teomyr | works in ff, ie6, ie7 and opera9 now. i had to use a table layout within the tooltip though :o |
| 18:27.54 | Kirkburn | Teomyr, website linkage :) |
| 18:28.05 | Teomyr | http://simonveith.de/wowwikitest/index.php/Tooltips |
| 18:28.39 | [Zeal] | thats because you ran the check on a template call, not the page |
| 18:29.21 | Adys | I never checked Exists' code so I cant say how it works |
| 18:29.42 | [Zeal] | fixed for you |
| 18:29.54 | Adys | Luv ya |
| 18:30.14 | Adys | ow i see |
| 18:31.07 | [Zeal] | essentially, a template {{foo:bah}} will runs it's own exist check, if it doesn't exist, it will default to template just {{template:bah}} |
| 18:33.54 | Adys | Ok |
| 18:34.06 | Adys | that means this thing works for the Spell: namespace, awesome |
| 18:34.20 | Adys | Now, gonna do a very last thing |
| 18:34.37 | Adys | if /Title or /Icon or /descr doesnt exist |
| 18:34.52 | Adys | put the article into a specific category |
| 18:35.11 | [Zeal] | this essentially what i've been doing in my sandbox :P |
| 18:35.15 | [Zeal] | *is |
| 18:41.16 | Kirkburn | Teomyr, excellent, no problems in IE7 |
| 18:41.35 | Kirkburn | Only one thing I noticed - "Leather" in the WoW tooltip has no right side paddings |
| 18:41.43 | [Zeal] | yeah, i haven't checked ie6 or ff yet btw |
| 18:42.00 | Kirkburn | (and I can see the dotted underline) |
| 18:42.04 | Teomyr | seems to be ie-specific, but that was just a test |
| 18:42.34 | [Zeal] | fin in ie6 too |
| 18:42.36 | [Zeal] | *fine |
| 18:43.21 | [Zeal] | tbh though, i'd think i'd rather rely on timeout for sticky anyways |
| 18:43.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Be back in a couple of hours |
| 18:43.38 | [Zeal] | kk |
| 18:44.44 | Teomyr | problem with overlib is that you can only specify when a tooltip closes, not something like "1000ms after mouse is off" |
| 18:46.32 | [Zeal] | oh i see |
| 18:46.34 | [Zeal] | thats silly : / |
| 18:46.44 | [Zeal] | but still, timeout is nice |
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| 18:47.06 | [Zeal] | you could probably fix overlib to add it though |
| 18:47.08 | [Zeal] | can't be hard |
| 18:47.43 | Teomyr | maybe it would work if i added onmouseout="return nt(500);", not sure what effect that has (seen it in the doc) |
| 18:47.52 | [Zeal] | mouse off, trigger timer, timer complete, hide tooltip. atm it's probably just mouse on, trigger timer, timer complete, hide tooltip. |
| 18:48.04 | [Zeal] | hm.. no idea |
| 18:48.16 | [Zeal] | i'm not that porfficient with javascript in all honestly. |
| 18:48.20 | [Zeal] | *honesty |
| 18:48.45 | [Zeal] | *proficient |
| 18:49.37 | [Zeal] | oh, and i figured out it's %2F not being translated to / that is the problem |
| 18:52.38 | Hobinheim | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:SpellFooter |
| 18:52.48 | Hobinheim | i dunno why i'm working on wowwiki stuff, i'm swamped at work righ tnow =( |
| 18:57.26 | [Zeal] | i really think that's an awful idea Hobinheim : / |
| 19:12.23 | Hobinheim | what's an awful idea |
| 19:12.32 | Hobinheim | yuck i wish i had timestamps enabled |
| 19:12.44 | [Zeal] | doing what you've doen for that template |
| 19:12.59 | [Zeal] | it's what subst was for. |
| 19:13.19 | Hobinheim | the point is that if we need to edit the template, we only need to do it in one place |
| 19:13.31 | Hobinheim | subst eliminates the link to the original template |
| 19:13.45 | Hobinheim | yes its far and few between but for that one moment, it's worth it |
| 19:14.37 | [Zeal] | subst does? didn't realize that.. rather useless then |
| 19:15.24 | [Zeal] | still think its an awful idea.. but thats down to thinking no such template should ever be included on WoWWiki:Templates |
| 19:18.40 | Hobinheim | if that was the case then sure |
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| 19:46.06 | nick255 | has anybody had the condors in redridge almost never dropping meat? |
| 19:47.35 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Small_Guild_Alliance_%28Terenas%29&rcid=310346 |
| 19:47.39 | Adys | dont you love the name |
| 19:54.39 | amro`afk | Be Nice™ |
| 19:56.53 | [Zeal] | more like "don't you love the article" tbh i'd put it up for deletion : / |
| 20:02.42 | Hobinheim | what? |
| 20:04.09 | [Zeal] | well it's not a guild, we don't need to know a page about their alliance, and they have a website anyways. |
| 20:04.54 | [Zeal] | *cough*under my proposal alliances could be expressed via categories anyways, no pages needed*cough* :p |
| 20:07.55 | Hobinheim | wow who's careless about editing popular templates, hob is! |
| 20:07.57 | Hobinheim | sorry guys |
| 20:08.06 | Hobinheim | current slowdown = my fualt |
| 20:08.09 | Hobinheim | *fault |
| 20:08.25 | [Zeal] | O_o |
| 20:08.27 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 20:08.31 | [Zeal] | what template? |
| 20:08.45 | [Zeal] | was about to link slow wiki :p |
| 20:08.55 | Adys | www.slowwiki.com |
| 20:09.05 | Hobinheim | bc |
| 20:09.12 | Adys | >< |
| 20:09.17 | [Zeal] | O_o |
| 20:22.41 | Hobinheim | still slow? =( |
| 20:22.55 | Hobinheim | caching mechanism, not so bright |
| 20:23.45 | Kirkburn|afk | vlad_, we're having slow wiki issues again - is it just a load problem? You mentioned getting new hardware? |
| 20:23.55 | vlad_ | mainly load, yeah |
| 20:24.07 | vlad_ | should be faster probably end of next week, or early the week after that |
| 20:24.16 | Hobinheim | hey captain |
| 20:24.17 | Hobinheim | what's up |
| 20:24.38 | Hobinheim | Kirkburn|afk, i was editing the bc template |
| 20:24.52 | *** topic/#wowwiki by Kirkburn|afk -> Welcome to WoWWiki IRC! | http://www.wowwiki.com | Discuss all wiki issues and report vandalism here! | Watch me please: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:RC | Be Nice™ | Eat your Redridge Goulash, or you'll never grow as strong as an tauren! |
| 20:24.59 | Kirkburn|afk | vlad_, awesome! :D |
| 20:25.04 | Tepetkhet | a Tauren |
| 20:25.07 | Tepetkhet | Not an tauren |
| 20:25.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Hobinheim, kk |
| 20:25.17 | vlad_ | though, seems to be relatively fast for me |
| 20:25.21 | *** topic/#wowwiki by Kirkburn|afk -> Welcome to WoWWiki IRC! | http://www.wowwiki.com | Discuss all wiki issues and report vandalism here! | Watch me please: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:RC | Be Nice™ | Eat your Redridge Goulash, or you'll never grow as strong as a tauren! |
| 20:25.21 | Hobinheim | redridge goulash, huh.... |
| 20:25.26 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 20:25.33 | vlad_ | crap, bbiab again |
| 20:25.47 | Kirkburn|afk | vlad_, it may have been a lag burst from Hob's template editing :P |
| 20:26.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Tepetkhet, thanks :) |
| 20:26.09 | Hobinheim | wheretf is redridge |
| 20:26.13 | Hobinheim | is that some alliance crap |
| 20:26.14 | Adys | ... |
| 20:26.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Hobinheim, please be joking ... :P |
| 20:26.35 | Hobinheim | hey, never touched alliance |
| 20:26.43 | Kirkburn|afk | It's a whole bloody zone! |
| 20:26.50 | Hobinheim | okay, this one time, i was experiementing, but there was alcohol involved |
| 20:27.18 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 20:27.39 | [Zeal] | lol |
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| 20:29.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | hi all |
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| 20:30.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Hey Patrigan-Syldra |
| 20:30.16 | [Zeal] | lo Patrigan-Syldra |
| 20:31.02 | JamieSI | hey |
| 20:31.33 | Kirkburn|afk | The {{bc}} template change is quite useful actually - means we can switch some pages from being included in the BC category |
| 20:31.35 | Kirkburn|afk | e.g. the Race page one can be changed to {{bc/content}} |
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| 20:32.10 | Kirkburn|afk | [Zeal], that's why it's useful, you see :) |
| 20:32.11 | [Zeal] | no i don't see |
| 20:32.22 | Kirkburn|afk | =( |
| 20:33.45 | dotted | i think im slowly becomming a wowwiki-aholic :( |
| 20:33.54 | dotted | nerf plox |
| 20:36.44 | [Zeal] | i see what you're saying, but my point is it shouldn't even be used in that way. plus is generally my point about the difference between inline and article templates. |
| 20:36.45 | [Zeal] | *it's |
| 20:38.04 | Hobinheim | kirk loves the spotlight |
| 20:38.19 | Kirkburn|afk | I do? |
| 20:38.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Why thank you |
| 20:38.37 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 20:39.20 | Kirkburn|afk | [Zeal], well how should it be used then? |
| 20:39.43 | Kirkburn|afk | (bear in mind this is pretty much how wikipedia works) |
| 20:40.28 | Hobinheim | montag copied my todo list, hehehehehe |
| 20:40.36 | Kirkburn|afk | brb |
| 20:41.41 | [Zeal] | well {{bc}} is a poor example, because really it should never be an article header, only an inline header, thus it should never have a category anyways. |
| 20:44.37 | Hobinheim | how else would you cat bc content |
| 20:44.48 | Hobinheim | then you'd have to seperately badge and cat pages |
| 20:45.42 | [Zeal] | bc content shouldn't be categoriszed, that's how. all it needs is to be citated, not categorized. |
| 20:47.25 | Hobinheim | but then how would you find content related to the burning crusade |
| 20:47.36 | [Zeal] | all content is related to the burning crusade... |
| 20:50.16 | [Zeal] | if there was a way categorize sections of a page, not the the whole page, then it might be an idea. but it's not, the onyl way around that would be to split the page. atm becuase you categoize with inline templates, you're essnetially saying the whole page is bc specific content, which it isn't. it merely contains some, like pratically every page. |
| 20:52.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | well, after BC released |
| 20:52.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | shouldn't we like delete all {{bc}} |
| 20:53.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | because in the end |
| 20:53.13 | [Zeal] | bc gets deleted, and you use BC |
| 20:56.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Manual_of_Style hmmm awfully a lot of work, for a nice effect... |
| 20:58.08 | [Zeal] | it's partly why i proposed Source as a namespace. along with a new cite template, it would then categorize on every citation to show the article is using information from a source. rather than the implication of saying and article is BC specific as it is now. [[Category:Source:The Burning Crusade|blah, blah]] for example. means you can see what sources have been used on a page at a glance, means you can look up what pages co |
| 20:58.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | cut of ^^ |
| 20:59.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | "means you can see what sources have been used on a page at a glance, means you can look up what pages co" |
| 20:59.17 | Hobinheim | *sniff* it's beautiful |
| 20:59.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | agree. |
| 21:00.02 | dotted | http://www.wowwiki.com/Eventide best wiki article ever |
| 21:00.02 | [Zeal] | *contain information are from that source, and solves the issue with the wiki being considered unreliable and lacking citation everywhere. >_> |
| 21:03.30 | Hobinheim | lol i like their heading |
| 21:04.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | they look to me as a bunch of elitist pricks who feel too good for this game oO |
| 21:07.07 | Hobinheim | i'm so happy right now |
| 21:07.22 | Hobinheim | i'm going to see a broadway show tonight, i'm dressed up nice, i'm eating yogurt, and the wiki is doing well |
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| 21:08.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Waitasec |
| 21:08.33 | Kirkburn|afk | No, not all content is BC |
| 21:08.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | o oh... |
| 21:08.38 | Kirkburn|afk | The BC template stays |
| 21:08.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | Kirkburn|afk has spoken XD |
| 21:09.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Reason being ... not all content is BC |
| 21:09.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | I do think that it should be changed |
| 21:09.24 | Kirkburn|afk | So you have to say "this content is only for BC-owners" |
| 21:09.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, it'll be changed :) |
| 21:09.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Made smaller too |
| 21:09.35 | Adys | aye was the plan |
| 21:10.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | Beta images obtained through the client are okay, datamined pictures are not. |
| 21:10.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | is so useless in that aswell XD |
| 21:10.27 | Kirkburn|afk | The beta still exists :P |
| 21:10.36 | Kirkburn|afk | How do you mean? |
| 21:10.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 21:10.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | that is from {{BC}} |
| 21:10.58 | [Zeal] | all articles on the wiki will use BC as a source when they can, the article itself never needs to be categorized as BC content, but BC citation. the current method, all articles that contain any single bit of BC info are BC specific content (apparently) |
| 21:11.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | which is done AFTER release (so no more beta) |
| 21:11.21 | Kirkburn|afk | [Zeal], as I was saying earlier, user {{bc/content}} instead then |
| 21:11.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | brb |
| 21:11.48 | [Zeal] | and as i was saying, is the bc doesn't need to exist, bc/content does. |
| 21:12.08 | Kirkburn|afk | I don't see why you're saying all article use BC as a source when they can? |
| 21:12.09 | [Zeal] | *-is |
| 21:12.16 | [Zeal] | because they do? |
| 21:12.29 | [Zeal] | all articles use every source when they can. |
| 21:12.29 | Kirkburn|afk | BC is additional content, not changed content |
| 21:13.02 | [Zeal] | that's irrelevant |
| 21:13.12 | [Zeal] | and it is changed content too |
| 21:13.17 | Adys | its both kirk yeah |
| 21:13.35 | Kirkburn|afk | What's different between WoW and WoW:TBC that isn't additional? |
| 21:13.56 | Adys | I'd have said the rating systems for example |
| 21:14.03 | Adys | but since 2.0 was early.. |
| 21:14.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Nope, that's both |
| 21:14.09 | [Zeal] | atm, we're talking about beta. |
| 21:14.12 | [Zeal] | so everything |
| 21:14.23 | Adys | but I agree with the fact we at least need a small template to identify BC specific items etc |
| 21:14.36 | [Zeal] | BC however will be new, but will have lots of changes/additions to lore of certain articles that already exist. |
| 21:14.41 | [Zeal] | illidan for example |
| 21:14.44 | Kirkburn|afk | The base code for WoW and TBC is _identical_ |
| 21:14.45 | Adys | Like a small tag on the top right main-page like |
| 21:14.52 | Kirkburn|afk | TBC is additional content only |
| 21:15.14 | [Zeal] | no.. it's not |
| 21:15.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Illidan isn't in WoW |
| 21:15.23 | [Zeal] | you're thinking of terms of the game mechanics only |
| 21:15.31 | Kirkburn|afk | He _is_ in TBC, therefore additional |
| 21:15.37 | [Zeal] | illidan is mentioned in wow |
| 21:15.44 | [Zeal] | his article already exists |
| 21:15.53 | Kirkburn|afk | He's mentioned in Warcraft! |
| 21:15.58 | [Zeal] | new information from TBC will change some of that info. |
| 21:16.00 | [Zeal] | exactly |
| 21:16.28 | [Zeal] | unless you want to make Illidian (TBC) and the same for everything else that isn't a game mechanic your argument is completly flawed. |
| 21:16.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Why, why would we need Illidan (TBC)? |
| 21:16.53 | [Zeal] | becuase you're saying it's an addition |
| 21:17.04 | [Zeal] | as if it has no impact on existing articles |
| 21:17.17 | Kirkburn|afk | lol, I think we have our wires crossed :) |
| 21:17.34 | [Zeal] | no, i think you didn't think it through. heh. |
| 21:17.40 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys/Sandbox |
| 21:17.44 | Adys | check the top right corner |
| 21:17.51 | Kirkburn|afk | k, there should be a template for BC-only content, and one for a BC section |
| 21:17.51 | Adys | that + a small text for bc itempages imo |
| 21:18.02 | Adys | articles* |
| 21:18.17 | [Zeal] | but Kirkburn|afk, when is there ever going to be BC only content? |
| 21:18.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Outland? |
| 21:18.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Everything there? |
| 21:18.35 | Kirkburn|afk | The draenei? |
| 21:18.37 | [Zeal] | already exist as articles relevant to all games |
| 21:18.37 | Kirkburn|afk | The blood elves? |
| 21:18.53 | [Zeal] | draenei and blood elves are already in wow |
| 21:18.56 | [Zeal] | just not playable |
| 21:19.08 | Adys | Items and spells accessible only to bc players zeal |
| 21:19.19 | Adys | like bops dropping in outland, spells lvl 61+ etc |
| 21:19.39 | [Zeal] | yet you are able to see them in all version of wow Adys |
| 21:19.47 | Kirkburn|afk | I should rephrase my earlier comment |
| 21:20.24 | [Zeal] | plus lore of those items are probably form earlier sources too |
| 21:20.30 | [Zeal] | same with the spells |
| 21:20.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | Adys |
| 21:20.52 | Kirkburn|afk | A template for BC only WoW appearance, a template for a BC-related section |
| 21:20.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | lvl 61+ spells |
| 21:20.56 | Adys | aye patrigan? |
| 21:21.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | what do you do with new ranks of an alrdy existing spell? |
| 21:21.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | they get on the same page of the old spell |
| 21:21.18 | Adys | very simple |
| 21:21.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | but yet they are BC content |
| 21:21.27 | Adys | Frostbolt for example |
| 21:21.30 | Kirkburn|afk | i.e. {{bc}} would say "This content only appears in the TBC version of WoW" |
| 21:21.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | making a seperate page is stupid imo... |
| 21:21.40 | Adys | is a page listing all ranks of frostbolt |
| 21:21.46 | Adys | and the bottom (last) ones will be tagged BC |
| 21:22.02 | [Zeal] | Kirkburn|afk, i would probably challange blizzard to add anything to Bc that hasn't got relevance to any other previous source :P |
| 21:22.03 | Kirkburn|afk | {{bc-section}} would say "This section is related to BC" |
| 21:22.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | By using that cool small BC thingy? |
| 21:22.10 | Adys | aye |
| 21:22.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | I liked that one |
| 21:22.14 | Adys | another template eventuallt |
| 21:22.16 | Kirkburn|afk | This is relation to WoW, not the lore in general |
| 21:22.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | that would work really great |
| 21:22.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | using a whole template for such thing is silly |
| 21:22.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | just a small BC picture denoting that it's BC only content |
| 21:22.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | people will be able to see it |
| 21:23.00 | Kirkburn|afk | {{bc}} will be extremely cut down |
| 21:23.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | no need for additional text |
| 21:23.09 | [Zeal] | only stuff that could ever be BC only really is API related. |
| 21:23.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | if players would press the small icon, |
| 21:23.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | they will be redirected to a page |
| 21:23.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | which explains BC only content |
| 21:23.44 | Kirkburn|afk | No, the UI across both is identical |
| 21:23.45 | Adys | Uuuuh zeal |
| 21:23.45 | [Zeal] | they may change that thought Kirkburn|afk |
| 21:23.45 | Kirkburn|afk | And I mean _indentical_ |
| 21:23.49 | Adys | that is THE thing thats never gonna be different in the expansion |
| 21:23.56 | Kirkburn|afk | I mean _identical_ :P |
| 21:23.58 | Adys | its not their kind to advantage players that way |
| 21:24.11 | Adys | they give bonuses but not things like that |
| 21:24.48 | [Zeal] | jewel crafting for example, if they came out and made a function specific to it, yet never added it to wow because it would never be used. |
| 21:24.53 | Kirkburn|afk | basically I'm saying stuff like [[Nether Ray]] should say it's BC only content |
| 21:25.04 | [Zeal] | but then, i dunno if that's possible due to coding of the game |
| 21:25.13 | [Zeal] | no, you shouldn't |
| 21:25.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | <imagelink>Bc_icon.gif|Burning_Crusade_Expansion_Only</imagelink> |
| 21:25.36 | Kirkburn|afk | It doesn't exist *anywhere* outside of BC, not in any books |
| 21:25.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | that in a small template |
| 21:25.49 | [Zeal] | though feel free to put on the page somewhere it onyl appears in bc as a mob. |
| 21:25.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | add that to a title or to a sentence referring to BC |
| 21:25.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | and it looks good |
| 21:26.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | check out http://www.wowwiki.com/Mount |
| 21:26.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | done by Apollozeus |
| 21:26.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | he did it finee there |
| 21:26.16 | [Zeal] | theres plenty of speculation to add about a nether ray relating to zones, other races etc. |
| 21:26.18 | Apollozeus | :x |
| 21:26.26 | Apollozeus | still contains some weird things though |
| 21:26.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | yeah |
| 21:26.29 | Apollozeus | lemme fix it |
| 21:26.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Flibble. The template {{bc}} is in relation to WoW, and WoW alone. |
| 21:26.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | there's still a few places where the icon could be added |
| 21:27.23 | Kirkburn|afk | It's saying "you will only see this is you buy TBC". It's the WoW-wiki for a reason |
| 21:27.44 | [Zeal] | and getting off track.. just cos it can be done, doesn't mean it should. it's not something desriable as a category on the wiki imo. |
| 21:27.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | ah you are referring to a category |
| 21:28.00 | Kirkburn|afk | I agree it's too big |
| 21:28.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | well a category for BC content SHOULD be there the first 2-3 months |
| 21:28.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | because then players want to see BC only content |
| 21:28.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | but then it can be deleted |
| 21:28.24 | [Zeal] | i don't think it should ever exist : / |
| 21:28.26 | Kirkburn|afk | bbias |
| 21:28.39 | Adys | imo it shouldnt categorize at all, if you want you can always do a what links there on the BC icon .gif |
| 21:28.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | true true |
| 21:28.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | but then explain it how to do it |
| 21:29.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | on that page |
| 21:29.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | because many players... |
| 21:29.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | well they are stupid >.> |
| 21:29.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | no offense :p |
| 21:29.16 | Adys | well when I was using the wiki I didnt know about categories at all |
| 21:29.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | but the wiki should be stupid person friendly |
| 21:29.23 | Adys | using as in not editing yet |
| 21:29.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | hmmm I always did oo |
| 21:29.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | perhaps you are even more stupid than me! |
| 21:30.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | j/k :p |
| 21:30.04 | Adys | Whats the chan kick command already |
| 21:30.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | >< |
| 21:30.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | ./kick #wowwiki Patrigan-Syldra |
| 21:30.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | in case you want it ^^ |
| 21:30.35 | [Zeal] | if i'm looking up on a wiki, i'm looking for stuff thats relevant to all of warcraft, but with a focus on wow content. if i'm looking for [[Nether Rays]] i'm looking for nether rays, not content specific to BC. i can see in the Nether Ray article it's for BC only. |
| 21:30.37 | Adys | ill keep it in mind :P |
| 21:31.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | that page doesn't even exist :< |
| 21:31.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | use a more obvious example >.> |
| 21:32.06 | Hobinheim | holy christ someone cleaned up the mounts article, it's beautiful |
| 21:32.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 21:32.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | OLD! |
| 21:32.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | hey I did Karazhan article :< |
| 21:32.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | btw thank Apollozeus for that :p |
| 21:32.36 | [Zeal] | onyl time i can see BC content desriable to browse is if it's soemone considering buying BC and wants to know every single thing that has changed/been added. What lifeless person would do that.. i don't know. BC article would provide the basic and enough to care about really. |
| 21:33.09 | Apollozeus | it could still use some tweaking though |
| 21:33.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | hmmm |
| 21:33.34 | Apollozeus | it will be the first thing I do tomorrow after I get rid of my administrational backlog |
| 21:34.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | well in the future all I see as important is a small icon (like on the mounts page) to denote that only users who have Burning Crusade can make use of it |
| 21:34.18 | Hobinheim | exit |
| 21:34.23 | Hobinheim | doh |
| 21:34.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | oO |
| 21:34.38 | Apollozeus | I don't own the article, feel free to do so |
| 21:34.39 | Apollozeus | :p |
| 21:34.52 | [Zeal] | <Patrigan-Syldra> but the wiki should be stupid person friendly <-- "Wherever there's a crowd, there's an idiot. And as soon as something is made idiot-proof, they make a better idiot." -Adam Sheffer |
| 21:35.25 | Apollozeus | it should be "people who had no clue what the subject of the article was prior to reading it"-proof |
| 21:35.46 | Apollozeus | difference there |
| 21:35.48 | [Zeal] | i liek the small peice of text/icon for BC content idea fine. |
| 21:36.13 | Apollozeus | it's sad though |
| 21:36.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | icon |
| 21:36.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | and yeah I meant what Apollozeus wrote |
| 21:36.26 | Apollozeus | TBC is yet to be released, and I'm already wondering what the next expansion was |
| 21:36.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | but I feel superior so I call them stupid |
| 21:36.36 | Apollozeus | will be* |
| 21:36.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | Emerald Dream |
| 21:36.44 | Apollozeus | hopefully |
| 21:36.45 | Apollozeus | D: |
| 21:36.56 | Adys | i bet ya grim batol will be patched very soon |
| 21:37.06 | Apollozeus | others say Kul Tiras, Grim Batol, Great Sea |
| 21:37.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | 67.9451435444444... Repeating ofcourse... |
| 21:37.09 | Apollozeus | Undermine |
| 21:37.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | % certainity |
| 21:37.16 | Adys | Undermine!!! |
| 21:37.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | Why Emerald Dream |
| 21:37.28 | [Zeal] | well i miss having a gm as a friend. but prior to 1.11 he told me they have a shit load of conceptual artwork and very basic zones for northerend already. though i'm fairly sure that will not be next. |
| 21:37.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | because next to Outland |
| 21:37.43 | Apollozeus | dude |
| 21:37.48 | Adys | they have these since ages zeal |
| 21:37.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | only Emerald dream is pretty much finished |
| 21:37.54 | Apollozeus | the big evil buddy of the entire game will be in Northrend |
| 21:37.55 | Patrigan-Syldra | or well... |
| 21:37.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | finished >< |
| 21:38.00 | [Zeal] | oh Adys? |
| 21:38.01 | Apollozeus | most certainly THAT is not first on the list |
| 21:38.03 | Apollozeus | :P |
| 21:38.14 | Apollozeus | arthas.. |
| 21:38.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | doubt it Apollozeus |
| 21:38.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | there are beings stronger than Arthas |
| 21:38.25 | Adys | I got some reasons to think Northrend will be released soon |
| 21:38.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | they are called the leaders of the Burning Legion |
| 21:38.29 | Apollozeus | yeah, but wow doesn't focus on that |
| 21:38.33 | Adys | Im not saying the whole of it |
| 21:38.38 | Adys | but probably most :) |
| 21:39.02 | Apollozeus | blizzard won't be releasing expansions forever and ever |
| 21:39.08 | Adys | wanna bet |
| 21:39.11 | Apollozeus | at some point they will stop and just release WoW2 |
| 21:39.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | hmmm |
| 21:39.29 | Adys | Yeah when wow will start loosing its myth |
| 21:39.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 21:39.38 | Adys | which isnt the case yet and wont be till we're lvl 80 imo |
| 21:39.40 | Apollozeus | probably in a year or two..and a half |
| 21:39.46 | Adys | they handle kinda well the lvl 70 thing |
| 21:39.54 | Apollozeus | 2007 will be a peak year for wow |
| 21:39.54 | [Zeal] | Well sargeras needs to be brought back into existance.. we've probably got more old gods to deal with, arthas, deathwing, azshara, kil'jaeden.. grim batol and the uldu's have potential. |
| 21:40.09 | Apollozeus | azeroth's population will probably decline after this year |
| 21:40.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | there's still a lot to be done |
| 21:40.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | doubt it Apollozeus |
| 21:40.18 | Apollozeus | I want Nazjatar damnit |
| 21:40.20 | Apollozeus | >_< |
| 21:40.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | people will stay at least till after Illidan |
| 21:40.42 | Apollozeus | lore doesn;t decide how long people will stay |
| 21:40.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | and especially with the fact that it is now more casual friendly, without losing Hardcore friendlyness |
| 21:40.47 | Apollozeus | the gameplay does |
| 21:40.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | I want the lvl 15 Taco of Doom >:{ |
| 21:40.56 | Apollozeus | and Patrigan-Syldra, I'm talking about the masses now |
| 21:40.59 | Tuqui-tuqui | with a crunchy shell |
| 21:41.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 21:41.15 | Apollozeus | it'll still take more than 5 years for wow to grow completely obsolete |
| 21:41.22 | [Zeal] | well what did they estiamte their release schedule at? every year? or was it 2? i may be pulling this out of my asss, but i beleive they said this was an 8 year project. |
| 21:41.33 | Tuqui-tuqui | :o |
| 21:41.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | 1 expansion a year |
| 21:41.42 | Tuqui-tuqui | so no Starcraft MMORPG? |
| 21:41.44 | Tuqui-tuqui | :< |
| 21:41.56 | [Zeal] | well they're focusing on a new franchise atm |
| 21:41.58 | Apollozeus | Tuqui-tuqui, don't think so |
| 21:41.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | nope but a new starcraft is in the amking |
| 21:42.05 | [Zeal] | so doubtful Tuqui-tuqui |
| 21:42.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | though, I'm actually not allowed to say it >.> so much for my trust >< |
| 21:42.21 | Apollozeus | starcraft mmorpg would only stand in the shadow of wow |
| 21:42.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | they are making a new Starcraft |
| 21:42.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | oh and Diablo 3 |
| 21:42.55 | Patrigan-Syldra | but blizzard said that they will probably never make another MMORPG after WoW |
| 21:42.55 | Apollozeus | <-- D: never cared for space games |
| 21:42.59 | [Zeal] | would also show how crap ghost is.. |
| 21:43.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | Ghost has been cancelled |
| 21:43.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | btw did they announce Diablo 3 alrdy? |
| 21:43.22 | Tuqui-tuqui | sad when I heard about ghost |
| 21:43.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | just wondering... |
| 21:43.29 | Tuqui-tuqui | especially after al the inital work that went into it |
| 21:43.39 | Tuqui-tuqui | they even had playable levels and stuff |
| 21:43.41 | [Zeal] | i know Patrigan-Syldra. was my point. was expected really. |
| 21:43.49 | Apollozeus | Tuqui-tuqui, that's blizzard for you |
| 21:43.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | but knowing Blizzard, it wasnt up to their standards for release |
| 21:43.55 | Apollozeus | they do that every now and then |
| 21:44.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 21:44.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | now they're working on a new Starcraft RTS |
| 21:44.12 | Apollozeus | that cartoonish warcraft game was also cancelled far into development |
| 21:44.18 | [Zeal] | indeed |
| 21:44.20 | [Zeal] | adventures |
| 21:44.27 | Adys | wb kirk =P |
| 21:44.27 | [Zeal] | but atleast we neded up with a novel from that |
| 21:44.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 21:44.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | true :p |
| 21:44.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | All I know atm is Starcraft new RTS, Diablo 3 and WoW improvement |
| 21:45.08 | [Zeal] | though i'm curios what part deathwing was supposed to play |
| 21:45.09 | Apollozeus | blizzard... the company is as mysterious as the games they create |
| 21:45.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | kind of nice to have certain "friends" ;) |
| 21:45.26 | Adys | laters all |
| 21:45.31 | Apollozeus | bah, I wish I had spies inside |
| 21:45.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | ^^ |
| 21:45.40 | Tuqui-tuqui | ¬.¬ |
| 21:45.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | Well, I think many players alrdy expected those plans |
| 21:45.49 | Apollozeus | I really wonder what's going on there D: |
| 21:45.53 | Kirkburn | Oookay, sooo |
| 21:45.55 | [Zeal] | you don't know what the new franchise is then Patrigan-Syldra? :P |
| 21:46.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | but yeah, it's nice to get confirmation from an insider |
| 21:46.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | I only know that they're currently working on those 3 games :< |
| 21:46.27 | Apollozeus | Patrigan-Syldra, pay him to be your informant |
| 21:46.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | haven't had a lot of talking with my insiders... |
| 21:46.33 | Apollozeus | and then pass the knowledge to us :D |
| 21:46.33 | Kirkburn | {{bc}} doesn't categorise, but can be used to say the subject of the article is only in the TBC version of WoW. Acceptable? |
| 21:46.36 | [Zeal] | must be locked up tight then. |
| 21:46.52 | [Zeal] | yes Kirkburn |
| 21:46.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | Kirkburn |
| 21:47.01 | [Zeal] | though why you would want to.. i dunno |
| 21:47.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | preferably with a small Icon |
| 21:47.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | no text about it on the page |
| 21:47.13 | Kirkburn | Because people _like to know_ |
| 21:47.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | let players click the icon |
| 21:47.24 | [Zeal] | probably crossed wires here |
| 21:47.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | and that refzers toa page with more information |
| 21:47.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | hat seems a lot better |
| 21:47.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | then you don't cut the article in major pieces |
| 21:48.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | like a BIIIG Borderline with a HUUUGE template |
| 21:48.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | that's annoying |
| 21:48.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | keep it running smoothly |
| 21:48.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | and just add a small icon |
| 21:48.16 | Kirkburn | Patrigan-Syldra, no, no, I'm talking about pages like [[Nether Ray]] |
| 21:48.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | IT DOESN'T EXIST >< |
| 21:48.32 | Kirkburn | That's only ever appeared in WoW:TBC |
| 21:48.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | ow it does oO |
| 21:48.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | bah, typed rays >< |
| 21:48.46 | [Zeal] | i'm talking about using it inline only, and abolishing the header+category version in use atm. not getting rid of saying it's BC specific. |
| 21:49.07 | [Zeal] | *specific content. |
| 21:49.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | Kirkburn |
| 21:49.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's not BC specific |
| 21:49.16 | Kirkburn | The whole of a Nether Ray article would be about TBC, but I see what you're saying |
| 21:49.25 | Kirkburn | Inline works for something like Illidan |
| 21:49.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | many players want to know what these babies are |
| 21:49.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | because they can get it up their arse in PvP |
| 21:50.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | BC players can tame them and hit someone else with it (ofc outside BG in normal World PvP) |
| 21:50.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | and most probably their abilities will be added there |
| 21:50.41 | [Zeal] | yeah, but Nether Ray's are still relevant to non-BC. WoW players will see them in any version. |
| 21:51.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | ^^ |
| 21:51.14 | Tuqui-tuqui | I want a diamond ring :D |
| 21:51.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | oO |
| 21:51.23 | Tuqui-tuqui | with +10000 spirit |
| 21:51.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | oO |
| 21:51.26 | [Zeal] | they just can only be found as an NPC by BC palyers :P |
| 21:51.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | idd |
| 21:51.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | however you twist or turn it... |
| 21:51.44 | Tuqui-tuqui | <---- lvl26 mage :< Need as much as possite ¬.¬ |
| 21:51.47 | [Zeal] | aye |
| 21:51.59 | Tuqui-tuqui | anyhoo, you guys going to get new characters when TBC comes out? |
| 21:52.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | the only TRUE BC only content |
| 21:52.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | are quests |
| 21:52.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | and zones |
| 21:52.10 | Kirkburn | Well, okay they can see them, but they can't obtain or use them |
| 21:52.19 | [Zeal] | indeed |
| 21:52.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | no but they sure as hell can have them used against them! |
| 21:52.30 | Kirkburn | But that's only cause a hunter can bring one back! |
| 21:52.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | same goes for items ^^ |
| 21:52.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | but he can bring it back nonetheless |
| 21:52.51 | [Zeal] | may end up with an item that can summon one too, lol |
| 21:53.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | doubt it zeal :p |
| 21:53.08 | Kirkburn | Stop being pedantic :P |
| 21:53.10 | [Zeal] | me too, but possible |
| 21:53.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | and if it exists |
| 21:53.13 | Apollozeus | whatever I'll do in Outland |
| 21:53.15 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 21:53.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | it'll be lvl 60+ |
| 21:53.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | so hunters can't tame them XD |
| 21:53.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | hunters without BC* |
| 21:53.27 | Apollozeus | cursing at rampaging fel reavers will likely be included |
| 21:53.39 | Kirkburn | Aha, now there's TBC only content |
| 21:53.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | bah, they should implement Fel Reavers in the normal world |
| 21:53.57 | Kirkburn | Stomping all over Azshara |
| 21:54.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | nah |
| 21:54.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | Starter Zones |
| 21:54.09 | Kirkburn | Ironforge? |
| 21:54.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | that would be so much more fun ^^ |
| 21:54.13 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 21:54.19 | Apollozeus | rofl |
| 21:54.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | or IF ^^ |
| 21:54.28 | Apollozeus | waaaay to kill the lag |
| 21:54.29 | Apollozeus | :D |
| 21:54.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | god , the face of those lowbies |
| 21:54.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | but yes |
| 21:55.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | bosses in an instance |
| 21:55.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | will most likely be BC only content |
| 21:55.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | unless if they're lore heavy |
| 21:55.15 | Apollozeus | huh o.O |
| 21:55.33 | Apollozeus | either the entire instance is bc-only, or nothing |
| 21:55.41 | Apollozeus | no "boss not visible to non-bc'ers" |
| 21:55.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | yeah that too ^^ |
| 21:55.57 | [Zeal] | if it helps to clear up my view. i see an article header (or as you might call it, a badge) containing the article type information based on namespace. so BC (and any other source) could never be an article header. it would be an inline header to say "this section is blah blah". only headers would add articles to categorises, and if inline templates did it, they would be adding the whole page, not just the section of the art |
| 21:55.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | but I alrdy said zones are BC only content! |
| 21:56.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | cut off! |
| 21:56.38 | Apollozeus | [Zeal], the chat is not really suitable for such longwinded comments I guess |
| 21:56.46 | [Zeal] | it cut off? |
| 21:56.50 | Apollozeus | yeah, you might wanna try the wiki.. |
| 21:57.05 | [Zeal] | where did it cut off? i never got a beep :S |
| 21:57.16 | [Zeal] | and the wiki is slower >_> |
| 21:57.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | not just the section of the art |
| 21:57.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | learn to talk in parts |
| 21:57.28 | [Zeal] | *article. |
| 21:57.30 | [Zeal] | thats it, lol |
| 21:57.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 21:57.48 | [Zeal] | blame mirc for that one. |
| 21:57.54 | [Zeal] | i would have cut it up otherwise. |
| 21:58.13 | Apollozeus | <[Zeal]> and the wiki is slower >_> <-- people are usually talking about three different subjects at the same time here |
| 21:58.29 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 21:58.43 | Apollozeus | you risk that your discussion might fall silent, because people join in on one of the other two topics at hand |
| 21:59.02 | Apollozeus | IRC philosophy at its finest |
| 21:59.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | yeah, we talk too much >.> |
| 21:59.10 | [Zeal] | i risk no one ever reading what i write on the wiki anyways :P |
| 21:59.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | true |
| 21:59.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | policy proposals fall silent |
| 21:59.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | often :o |
| 21:59.37 | [Zeal] | *cough*styling*cough* |
| 21:59.38 | Apollozeus | true, spam the village pump for that purpose |
| 21:59.48 | Tuqui-tuqui | pumps FTW \o/ |
| 22:00.01 | Apollozeus | pimps ftw...oh wait, that wasn't what you were referring to |
| 22:00.02 | [Zeal] | i think that got ignored because vlad_ wasn't around, so it was futile :P |
| 22:00.11 | Apollozeus | well |
| 22:00.13 | Apollozeus | guess who's back |
| 22:00.15 | Apollozeus | back again |
| 22:00.17 | [Zeal] | indeed |
| 22:00.18 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 22:00.22 | Apollozeus | vlady's back |
| 22:00.23 | Apollozeus | from japan |
| 22:00.24 | [Zeal] | tell a friend |
| 22:00.46 | [Zeal] | awww.. you screwed up the funny |
| 22:00.56 | Apollozeus | we've highlighted the hell out of his client by now but oh well |
| 22:01.03 | [Zeal] | haha |
| 22:01.24 | Apollozeus | =) |
| 22:01.32 | Apollozeus | nothing like queen at 11pm |
| 22:01.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Policy/Writing/Guild_pages#Change_to_the_Policy:_Naming |
| 22:01.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | dropped dead recently aswell |
| 22:02.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | even though, I think it's important... |
| 22:02.11 | [Zeal] | i don't get highlighted, though you can also do !zeal to get my attention ;) |
| 22:02.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | !zeal |
| 22:02.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | cool |
| 22:02.42 | jrr | !zealot |
| 22:02.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | !Patrigan |
| 22:02.51 | [Zeal] | hm.. |
| 22:02.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | hey, I want that too |
| 22:02.56 | [Zeal] | wtf :s |
| 22:03.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | !Patrigan-Syldra |
| 22:03.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | oO |
| 22:03.22 | Apollozeus | just saying Apollozeus or some parts of my name will grab my attentions |
| 22:03.25 | Apollozeus | attention* |
| 22:03.30 | [Zeal] | oh i get it.. |
| 22:03.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | XDS |
| 22:03.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | think I'm gonna abuse it now |
| 22:03.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | just for fun sometimes |
| 22:03.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | to annoy him ^^ |
| 22:03.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | btw |
| 22:04.04 | Apollozeus | D: oh god, I've been to loose-lipped again |
| 22:04.06 | Apollozeus | too* |
| 22:04.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | jumping subject a bit |
| 22:04.20 | jrr | herculesapollozeusathena |
| 22:04.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | Can I add all cards to the wiki or not? |
| 22:04.49 | *** join/#wowwiki Paymon (n=chatzill@88-109-97-146.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 22:04.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | not sure if I'm gonna make a page for every card (possibly gonna create a page per class or something... |
| 22:05.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | so... |
| 22:05.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | can I? oO |
| 22:05.20 | [Zeal] | ah !zealot shouldn't work now, hehe. |
| 22:05.37 | Apollozeus | zealot... lol |
| 22:05.49 | Apollozeus | does your name originate from that by the way? |
| 22:06.00 | [Zeal] | nope, from zeal |
| 22:06.03 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 22:06.41 | Apollozeus | aww |
| 22:06.42 | [Zeal] | infull Zeal Vurte. rather old RP char. and yes, the typo of virtue is intentional :P |
| 22:06.56 | Apollozeus | my name is actually quite stupid |
| 22:07.04 | [Zeal] | gods |
| 22:07.04 | Apollozeus | just two ancient gods mashed together |
| 22:07.05 | [Zeal] | heh |
| 22:07.18 | Apollozeus | I tried to create a priest called apollo |
| 22:07.20 | [Zeal] | Patrigan-Syldra do Card: and Set: ;) |
| 22:07.27 | Apollozeus | ..already existed, so I put zeus in the back |
| 22:07.31 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 22:07.43 | jrr | Apollozeus: if you try to pronounce it as one word it's kinda cool |
| 22:08.03 | jrr | apolahzeeus |
| 22:08.14 | Apollozeus | haha |
| 22:08.20 | jrr | apolazius |
| 22:08.25 | Tuqui-tuqui | or xXApolloKi114h!11!!111!ONEONEONE!1!Xx |
| 22:08.31 | Apollozeus | oh god |
| 22:08.37 | Apollozeus | I don't use AIM |
| 22:08.38 | Apollozeus | :p |
| 22:08.46 | Tuqui-tuqui | -.- |
| 22:09.01 | jrr | or ApOlLoZeUs725389457289 |
| 22:09.06 | [Zeal] | this formed from two names Zeal Virtue, originally a result on an RP coupling ;). Divxvurte, some random temp username, the virtue was a typo. After i moved on, i started using Zeal Vurte instead. |
| 22:09.25 | Apollozeus | haha |
| 22:09.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | oO |
| 22:09.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | what an explanation |
| 22:09.40 | Apollozeus | it's always interesting to know where nicknames originated from |
| 22:09.45 | [Zeal] | indeed |
| 22:09.59 | Tuqui-tuqui | Im Tuqster :D |
| 22:10.05 | Tuqui-tuqui | they wouldnt allow dashes :< |
| 22:10.05 | [Zeal] | lol jrr |
| 22:10.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | Patrigan originates from patrick with the addition of Gan (which means Hero in a language I created for a lorebasis that I created aswell) |
| 22:10.16 | Apollozeus | jrr, doesn't matter |
| 22:10.17 | Tuqui-tuqui | those jive turkeys |
| 22:10.17 | jrr | some stupid author has made them popular enough i can't get any domains, though =] |
| 22:10.31 | [Zeal] | rofl |
| 22:10.32 | Apollozeus | you could try things like jrr-lair.com |
| 22:10.33 | Apollozeus | ;p |
| 22:10.47 | Apollozeus | jrr-net.net |
| 22:10.55 | jrr | i actually have a domain from my full name |
| 22:11.04 | Apollozeus | jrr-jrr-binks.com |
| 22:11.08 | jrr | =D |
| 22:11.14 | Tepetkhet | ick |
| 22:11.16 | jrr | rofflemafaolollercoastercopter |
| 22:11.20 | [Zeal] | hehe, my first and second name for dj ;) |
| 22:11.24 | [Zeal] | *form |
| 22:11.47 | Apollozeus | you're dj? |
| 22:11.52 | [Zeal] | nope, lol |
| 22:11.56 | [Zeal] | would be amusing if i was |
| 22:12.27 | Apollozeus | same here I guess...I'd play the oddest collection of music ever ;P |
| 22:12.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | oO |
| 22:12.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | Final Fantasy combined with other game music... |
| 22:12.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | but mostly Final Fantasy |
| 22:12.51 | Apollozeus | lol |
| 22:12.52 | *** join/#wowwiki Hobinheim (i=draco256@dozer.dreamhost.com) |
| 22:12.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | cuz that's what I haev most of |
| 22:12.55 | Tepetkhet | later |
| 22:12.56 | Tepetkhet | Home |
| 22:13.07 | Apollozeus | hmm |
| 22:13.10 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Hobinheim] by ChanServ |
| 22:13.12 | Apollozeus | mostly metal |
| 22:13.12 | Apollozeus | D: |
| 22:13.18 | jrr | D= |
| 22:13.20 | Apollozeus | rock |
| 22:13.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | Final Fantasy Ultimate Collection <3 |
| 22:13.29 | Hobinheim | for a second there i thought i typed out my password hunter7555 |
| 22:13.29 | jrr | ocremix ftw |
| 22:13.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | 6.5GB pure FFmusic |
| 22:13.49 | Apollozeus | I hope for you that was fake hobinheim |
| 22:13.51 | Apollozeus | o.O |
| 22:13.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | most from Nobue Uematsu |
| 22:14.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 22:14.13 | Apollozeus | nobu-what? |
| 22:14.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | Nobuo Uematsu |
| 22:14.37 | Hobinheim | Nobuo Uematsu is one of the composers for the music in the Final Fantasy video game series. |
| 22:14.46 | Hobinheim | the most easily targetable for ... fans... |
| 22:14.46 | Apollozeus | I reckon |
| 22:14.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | Componist of FInal Fantasy and also of Super SHmash Brothers Brawl |
| 22:15.13 | jrr | some of you guys might dig http://www.radiorivendell.com/ |
| 22:15.27 | jrr | lots of fantasy-fitting soundtracks |
| 22:15.30 | jrr | not all LOTR |
| 22:16.04 | Apollozeus | hmm |
| 22:16.05 | Apollozeus | 22:31 CET |
| 22:16.06 | Apollozeus | Blackmore's Night - Memmingen |
| 22:16.13 | Apollozeus | they play blackmore's night....not bad |
| 22:16.31 | *** join/#wowwiki Castdead (i=54c19bd5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-b5c5474c907fc92a) |
| 22:16.33 | jrr | yeah definitely |
| 22:17.24 | Apollozeus | it may be funny to know that the guitarist of blackmore's night used to be in Deep Purple |
| 22:17.24 | Apollozeus | :p |
| 22:17.47 | Castdead | patrigan from shattered hand server? |
| 22:18.06 | Castdead | EU? |
| 22:18.44 | Apollozeus | uhoh |
| 22:18.52 | Apollozeus | you got yourself some fans, pat |
| 22:18.53 | Apollozeus | D: |
| 22:19.32 | Castdead | if it's you, then you know me :) group D, VUB :) |
| 22:19.51 | Apollozeus | jrr |
| 22:20.08 | Hobinheim | Suspicion crits you for 557! |
| 22:20.11 | Apollozeus | they also play wow music on there |
| 22:20.12 | Apollozeus | :O |
| 22:20.53 | Castdead | anyway, you know what's the channel again, specific for ui development, asking help from ccknight :) |
| 22:21.03 | jrr | =D |
| 22:21.13 | jrr | and the diablo tristram song, which may be my fav videogame song EVAR |
| 22:21.18 | Hobinheim | #wowi-lounge |
| 22:21.20 | jrr | headin' home, bbl |
| 22:21.24 | Hobinheim | they're jerks, no one answers my annoying questions |
| 22:21.25 | Castdead | ty :) |
| 22:21.41 | Castdead | ckknight is on? he's very helpfull |
| 22:22.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | hmmmm |
| 22:22.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | many of the new Potiuons haven't been added yet :o |
| 22:23.35 | Castdead | anyway, patrigan, are you at VUB? |
| 22:24.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | yes |
| 22:24.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | OMG... The alchemy profession is so NOT BC ready >< |
| 22:24.25 | [Zeal] | wiki code really needs an inline list version.. |
| 22:24.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | why Castdead |
| 22:24.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | ? |
| 22:24.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | btw how the heck do you know? XD |
| 22:24.54 | Castdead | Michael here :) |
| 22:25.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | :o |
| 22:25.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | hi! |
| 22:25.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | <= sick and tired of Mechanics... |
| 22:25.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | 6 days to go :( |
| 22:25.40 | Castdead | What a coincidence lol :) |
| 22:25.40 | [Zeal] | lots of effort to do it manually : / i would love to see ul.h in the wiki css. |
| 22:25.44 | [Zeal] | atleast make it slightly easier |
| 22:25.44 | Castdead | me too, free time i spend making addon :) from 12-1 and evenings :) |
| 22:26.25 | [Zeal] | ul.h {display: inline; margin: 0;} ul.h li {display: inline; padding-right: 0.5em;} |
| 22:26.30 | Castdead | it's a tough one, but ckknight is imba help :) |
| 22:27.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | Well, I'm working on the wiki a lot... think it's rather important |
| 22:27.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | haven't had much time due to the silly studies... |
| 22:27.47 | Castdead | you also have addon knowledge? yeah indeed studies are a burden sometimes :) |
| 22:27.59 | [Zeal] | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Mikaka#Question |
| 22:28.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | nah, haven't studied addons yet |
| 22:28.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | don't want it to interfere with our silly modula scripting... |
| 22:28.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | even though I'd love writing addons |
| 22:29.18 | Castdead | actually modula is really frustrating compared to this, a lot more freedom in lua |
| 22:29.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | true true |
| 22:29.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | though... |
| 22:29.31 | Castdead | tables with undefined size etc :) |
| 22:29.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | Modula is good as it requires precision in writing |
| 22:29.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | and I kind of like that |
| 22:30.12 | Castdead | yeah, for beginners it's fine, but when ur used to languages with a lot of freedom, it's just frustrating |
| 22:30.40 | Hobinheim | paging appollo |
| 22:30.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | ^^ |
| 22:31.13 | Castdead | how's the warlock in tbc, and casters in general? |
| 22:31.31 | Hobinheim | paging apollo in the room because i'm not using a gui irc |
| 22:31.53 | Apollozeus | nigga stole my bike |
| 22:31.56 | Apollozeus | I mean |
| 22:31.57 | Apollozeus | nick |
| 22:31.57 | Apollozeus | D: |
| 22:32.00 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 22:32.04 | Hobinheim | ouch |
| 22:32.16 | Hobinheim | you said you're a wikipedia admin right |
| 22:32.25 | Apollozeus | yes |
| 22:32.34 | Hobinheim | WW:NOT #directory |
| 22:32.36 | [Zeal] | :o |
| 22:32.48 | Hobinheim | some dude is going through all the fraternity articles and deleting the chapter rolls |
| 22:32.50 | Hobinheim | based or unbased? |
| 22:32.59 | Hobinheim | i mean obviously based on WW:NOT, but i disagree |
| 22:33.09 | Hobinheim | btw this "dude" as an admin |
| 22:33.13 | Hobinheim | i can feel the nerdrage already |
| 22:33.28 | Apollozeus | wait, is this on wowwiki or wikipedia? |
| 22:33.40 | Hobinheim | wikipedia |
| 22:33.41 | [Zeal] | wikipedia |
| 22:33.53 | [Zeal] | biased you mean? |
| 22:34.06 | Hobinheim | no, not biased. like... justified or unjustified |
| 22:34.07 | Apollozeus | well |
| 22:34.18 | Apollozeus | if he's following the policy, there's nothing you can do about it |
| 22:34.32 | Apollozeus | other than starting a discussion whether or not the policy should change |
| 22:34.55 | Hobinheim | feels asshole ish |
| 22:35.04 | Apollozeus | if you're going to try and revert him, you'll run into a bureaucrat wall |
| 22:35.11 | Hobinheim | what do you mean |
| 22:35.56 | Apollozeus | wikipedia is pretty bureaucrat, as you may know |
| 22:36.04 | Apollozeus | trying to go against the rules will not go by unseen |
| 22:36.16 | Tuqui-tuqui | where can I get a Baby Murloc code =\ |
| 22:36.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | If you were to give "potion" a color which would you give? and what about "Flask" "Elixir" and "Transmute"? |
| 22:36.41 | Apollozeus | Tuqui-tuqui, timetravel back to 2005 and attend blizzcon |
| 22:36.50 | Tuqui-tuqui | oh man :< I knew it |
| 22:37.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | If you were to give "potion" a color which would you give? and what about "Flask" "Elixir" and "Transmute"? |
| 22:37.08 | Apollozeus | there's a new murloc pet coming up though |
| 22:37.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | nope |
| 22:37.13 | Tuqui-tuqui | :o |
| 22:37.15 | Tuqui-tuqui | where? |
| 22:37.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | that's in the past alrdy |
| 22:37.21 | Apollozeus | lemme find the info for you |
| 22:37.21 | Tuqui-tuqui | oh man :< |
| 22:37.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | Gurky contests are over |
| 22:37.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | was right before Christmas |
| 22:38.51 | Apollozeus | yep |
| 22:38.59 | Apollozeus | Patrigan-Syldra speaks the truth |
| 22:39.16 | Apollozeus | sorry mate |
| 22:39.19 | Hobinheim | i dunno, i don't like what this admin is doing |
| 22:39.30 | Apollozeus | link me |
| 22:39.34 | Hobinheim | the fact that fraternities are associated with a list of colleges is totally like... |
| 22:39.36 | Apollozeus | I'll see if there's anything I can do |
| 22:39.38 | Hobinheim | totally relevant |
| 22:39.48 | Hobinheim | i don't want you to really do anything i'm just saying. like... wtf. |
| 22:40.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | hmmm... |
| 22:40.15 | Hobinheim | my comment is at the very bottom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Metros232#Fraternity_Chapter_deletion.28s.29 |
| 22:40.27 | Hobinheim | his nomination http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_chapters_and_colonies_of_Tau_Kappa_Epsilon |
| 22:41.12 | [Zeal] | anyone know of strixus? |
| 22:42.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Patrigan/professiontables |
| 22:42.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | does that look decently? (is for the crafters list on my server page ><) |
| 22:42.56 | Hobinheim | thanks for checking it out. sorry, i'm the one nerdraging now |
| 22:43.12 | Apollozeus | obnoxious colours @_@ |
| 22:44.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | obnoxious as in niot good? >< |
| 22:45.45 | Apollozeus | hobinheim |
| 22:45.51 | Apollozeus | take a look at the afd |
| 22:45.56 | Apollozeus | noone has voted delete yet |
| 22:46.35 | Hobinheim | yeah but he's deleting chapter rolls in other articles anyway |
| 22:46.41 | Hobinheim | look at his contributions |
| 22:47.00 | Hobinheim | he's essentially saying that chapter rolls, in their entirety, shouldn't be mentioned on all of wikipedia |
| 22:47.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | isn't there a #wikipedia for such discussions XD |
| 22:48.25 | Hobinheim | hey, i'm borrowing apollo and i don't know how to switch rooms w/o quitting =P |
| 22:48.40 | [Zeal] | er.. i don't get it Patrigan-Syldra. and the colours are horrible : / |
| 22:48.41 | Apollozeus | hobinheim; type /j #wikipedia |
| 22:49.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | Well it is for others to put a cross under which potions they have |
| 22:49.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | and I can't go around and give every single thingy the same colour, now can I >< |
| 22:49.21 | Apollozeus | well hobinheim, those chapter rolls or whatever they are, do make awfully long lists |
| 22:49.30 | [Zeal] | shouldn't that just be a list? |
| 22:50.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | yes |
| 22:50.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Patrigan |
| 22:50.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | all the way down |
| 22:50.42 | Hobinheim | if i join wikipedia what will happen to my screen, i might get obliterated! |
| 22:50.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | is an example of what I want it to become |
| 22:51.03 | Apollozeus | hobinheim, what program are you using? |
| 22:51.30 | Hobinheim | zomg the chats became namespaced lol |
| 22:51.32 | Hobinheim | bitchx |
| 22:51.44 | Hobinheim | i guess wikipedia became my focus channel |
| 22:52.04 | Hobinheim | w/e metros didn't give me a nerdrage response back, so i guess i'll entertain his discussion with civility |
| 22:52.08 | [Zeal] | well other than never wanting to see player data in a user's page ever again, thus making the rows useless, it would still be easier to list thatn do a table. |
| 22:52.13 | Hobinheim | i dunno some people on WP are totally like off the wall |
| 22:52.19 | Hobinheim | so i expected the same from him |
| 22:52.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | [Zeal] it's just a sandbox atm :p |
| 22:52.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Shattered_Hand_Europe/Crafters |
| 22:52.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | is the current list |
| 22:52.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | and tbh... |
| 22:52.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | it looks HORRIBLE |
| 22:52.59 | [Zeal] | if you want multiple lists (for more thna one player) on a page, then float them. |
| 22:53.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | hmmm |
| 22:53.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | explain what you mean with that >< |
| 22:53.31 | [Zeal] | oh god.. that page |
| 22:53.34 | [Zeal] | i'm gunna die |
| 22:53.49 | Apollozeus | in due time, you will |
| 22:53.58 | Tuqui-tuqui | ok how about this pet |
| 22:54.02 | Tuqui-tuqui | the Zergling |
| 22:54.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | (was just a copy-paste from our realm forums with a minimum of style :p) |
| 22:54.11 | Apollozeus | the zerg... what the hell? |
| 22:54.12 | Tuqui-tuqui | according to wiki there is a quest to get it :| |
| 22:54.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | Tuqui-tuqui it came with the collector's edition of the original WoW |
| 22:54.35 | Tuqui-tuqui | but wiki says |
| 22:54.37 | Tuqui-tuqui | and I quote |
| 22:54.40 | [Zeal] | *cough*[[Category:Realms:Shattered Hand (EU)/Players (Crafter)|]]*cough* |
| 22:54.47 | Tuqui-tuqui | Like the Mini Diablo, the zergling's inclusion in WoW should not be considered canon(though a quest for getting the pet does exist in the game), unless otherwise specified by Blizzard. |
| 22:54.58 | Tuqui-tuqui | -.- |
| 22:55.23 | Apollozeus | ah |
| 22:55.27 | [Zeal] | anyways, you do <ul style="float: left"><li>item</li></ul> for each player. |
| 22:55.31 | Apollozeus | you need the original CE of WOW |
| 22:55.36 | Apollozeus | which is not available |
| 22:55.39 | Apollozeus | anymore |
| 22:55.48 | [Zeal] | you can flip that around to match that existing page, swapping item with player. |
| 22:55.53 | Tuqui-tuqui | meh ¬.¬ you guys need to word that correctly then |
| 22:56.19 | [Zeal] | hm.. but either way.. that page needs to die |
| 22:56.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | idd ^^ |
| 22:56.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | but with BC around the corner I can restyle it :p |
| 22:56.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | considering noone will want those items anymore |
| 22:57.12 | Apollozeus | hold on there |
| 22:57.22 | Apollozeus | not everybody is getting tbc |
| 22:57.24 | Apollozeus | ;p |
| 22:57.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | pffft... |
| 22:57.28 | [Zeal] | no not restyle, not reformat, not restructure, not even edited. it needs to be removed from existance and be replace with a category, and those players, if they care to, add themselves to it. |
| 22:57.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 22:57.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | a category |
| 22:57.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | for every single item? oO |
| 22:58.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | item crafting is mostly important for endgame raiders anyway |
| 22:58.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | do you honestly think anyone will be capable of raiding without BC? |
| 22:58.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | but how would you want to set up a category for that? |
| 22:58.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | oO |
| 22:59.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | show me an example of such a category if you can |
| 23:00.13 | [Zeal] | user makes player page, player adds [[Category:Realms:Shattered Hand (EU)/Players (Crafter)|<name>]] to their page, player creates a list of items they can make on their page. that's the easiest way. |
| 23:01.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | god... |
| 23:01.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | that's like |
| 23:01.15 | Gryphen | easier to look up recip > players than player > recip |
| 23:01.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | yes what Gryphen said |
| 23:01.36 | [Zeal] | the server page then just has a link saying [[:Category:Realms:Shattered Hand (EU)/Players (Crafter)|Rare Crafters]] |
| 23:01.43 | [Zeal] | no.. it's not |
| 23:01.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | yeah but |
| 23:01.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | you get a list of crafters |
| 23:01.49 | Hobinheim | apollo, more wiki questions! |
| 23:01.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | but what can they craft? |
| 23:01.58 | Apollozeus | ? |
| 23:01.59 | Hobinheim | do you do a lot of edits still? i'm looking for a tool that will help me track edits |
| 23:02.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | I want 1 specific pot crafted |
| 23:02.05 | Hobinheim | actually on this wiki too short of making it myself |
| 23:02.09 | [Zeal] | you look at their page to find out. and that was my point it's easier, but less accurate. |
| 23:02.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | and I need to visit 20 pages, before finding it |
| 23:02.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | or perhaps an item like Flarecore pants |
| 23:02.24 | Apollozeus | I don't really edit a lot anymore there |
| 23:02.28 | Gryphen | so you have to look through multiple players to find someone who can make a flask> |
| 23:02.28 | Hobinheim | something that will "approve" edits that i make, but not the edits of others. so that i know what all the difference sare between my version and the current version |
| 23:02.29 | Gryphen | ? |
| 23:02.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | I am the only crafter still playing horde side |
| 23:02.42 | Gryphen | instead of looking for the flask and then see who can make it |
| 23:03.03 | Hobinheim | it's like a "you thread this post last" on forums |
| 23:03.10 | Apollozeus | hobinheim |
| 23:03.21 | Apollozeus | mediawiki comes with a default built in |
| 23:03.23 | Apollozeus | one |
| 23:03.27 | Apollozeus | it's called "watchlist" |
| 23:03.35 | Hobinheim | no.... that's not really it... |
| 23:03.46 | Hobinheim | unless there was a function in the watch list to compare MY edit to the current one |
| 23:03.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 23:03.48 | Hobinheim | which there isn't |
| 23:03.55 | Apollozeus | click (diff) |
| 23:03.57 | Hobinheim | then yes, that would be it |
| 23:03.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | I sense a slight sense of sarcasm in Apollozeus his words |
| 23:04.01 | [Zeal] | the other method is [[Category:Items:Flarecore Pants/Players (Craft)|<name>]] then [[:Category:Items:Flarecore Pants/Players (Craft)|Player's that can create this item]] |
| 23:04.03 | Hobinheim | doesn't that just diff the top edit? |
| 23:04.12 | Apollozeus | hmm, yeah |
| 23:04.15 | Hobinheim | i mean ALL the edits |
| 23:04.21 | Apollozeus | yes, you're right |
| 23:04.27 | Hobinheim | hey we have watchlist on wowwiki too =P |
| 23:04.34 | Apollozeus | I'm aware of that :P |
| 23:04.37 | Hobinheim | jerk... |
| 23:04.43 | Apollozeus | anyway, I know of no such tool |
| 23:04.45 | Kirkburn | lolz |
| 23:04.46 | Apollozeus | sorry :/ |
| 23:04.58 | Apollozeus | lol |
| 23:05.05 | Apollozeus | are you native? |
| 23:05.10 | Gryphen | so what server do they craft for? |
| 23:05.22 | [Zeal] | and gryphen, that's all well and good. but unless you want to add an item page to every player who can craft it as a category, it's not working. it would be really messy. but then i've never thought categories should relaly show up on the page. pisses me off. |
| 23:05.24 | Gryphen | have to click on each player to see what server they are on |
| 23:05.27 | [Zeal] | yes |
| 23:05.30 | Hobinheim | i'm from the dirty jerz |
| 23:05.40 | Hobinheim | Kirkburn, you know where jersey is? teehee |
| 23:05.54 | Apollozeus | D: |
| 23:06.04 | Hobinheim | it's like reaping all the benefits of NYC w/o paying the outrageous taxes or dealing with city folk |
| 23:06.25 | Apollozeus | <@Hobinheim> Kirkburn, you know where jersey is? teehee <-- that's what we've got wikipedia for hobinheim :p |
| 23:07.22 | Hobinheim | yeah i probably don't know where any uk states or regions are |
| 23:07.32 | Apollozeus | there aren't many :/ |
| 23:07.45 | Apollozeus | wales, scotland, england and northern ireland |
| 23:07.54 | Hobinheim | Apollozeus, are you like.... american or... hahahhaa not american? |
| 23:07.58 | [Zeal] | you could complicte it though [[Category:Item:<item>/Players (craft)/Realms (<server>)|<name>]] [[:Category:Item:<item>/Players (craft)|Players than can create this item]] then they click the link and look choose want server. |
| 23:08.00 | Apollozeus | I'm Dutch |
| 23:08.23 | Hobinheim | dutch... |
| 23:08.32 | Apollozeus | dutch |
| 23:08.33 | Hobinheim | netherlands... |
| 23:08.34 | Apollozeus | netherlands |
| 23:08.35 | Apollozeus | holland |
| 23:08.36 | Apollozeus | <_< |
| 23:08.38 | Hobinheim | amsterdam? |
| 23:08.41 | Hobinheim | like where stuff happens? |
| 23:08.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | Shitty country in the north of the center of Europe |
| 23:08.52 | Apollozeus | shitty? |
| 23:08.53 | [Zeal] | why i need to create a testbed wiki myself.. set that all in place and link it as an example in use. i can't really do it in a sandbox on wowwiki. |
| 23:08.54 | Apollozeus | >_> |
| 23:08.56 | Gryphen | way overboard imgo |
| 23:08.58 | Gryphen | imho |
| 23:09.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | Belgian, racist against the dutch |
| 23:09.15 | Apollozeus | belgium is not even a real country ;x |
| 23:09.16 | Gryphen | the way it has been done for crafters so far seems enough to me |
| 23:09.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | DIE! |
| 23:09.21 | [Zeal] | its less so than the existing idea of writting it all on a page |
| 23:09.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 23:09.29 | [Zeal] | not overboard at all |
| 23:09.35 | Castdead | yeah, it's flanders + the french part lol :) |
| 23:09.37 | Apollozeus | Patrigan-Syldra, the whole country freaks out because of some news |
| 23:09.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | I was actually planning of making seperate pages per profession |
| 23:09.44 | Apollozeus | LOL THE FLEMISH SEPERATED |
| 23:09.44 | Gryphen | well i disagree |
| 23:09.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 23:09.45 | Apollozeus | :P |
| 23:09.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | gotta love that one ^^ |
| 23:09.54 | Castdead | haha, that was funny :) |
| 23:09.55 | Apollozeus | nobody would care if that happened here |
| 23:10.04 | Castdead | i think they would |
| 23:10.16 | Apollozeus | yeah, some people |
| 23:10.23 | Apollozeus | but not to the crazy extent as in belgium |
| 23:10.29 | Castdead | 4% of world export and import is in belgium, country of 10 million people, :) |
| 23:10.46 | Hobinheim | what does belgium make? |
| 23:10.51 | Hobinheim | besides delicious waffles |
| 23:11.05 | Apollozeus | my country isn't made up of two kinds of people who hate each other's gut |
| 23:11.18 | Apollozeus | it's not even called that |
| 23:11.19 | Apollozeus | <_< |
| 23:11.19 | Castdead | a lot of technology, a lot of refineries |
| 23:11.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | GUYS GUYS GUYS |
| 23:11.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | PLEASE! |
| 23:11.39 | [Zeal] | it really shouldn't be placed on a singel contributer to gain such detail of each player and maintain a list themselves. it should be on a per player basis. if theyp layer doesn't want to contribute their info to the wiki, then that's fine. |
| 23:11.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | no more political and geographical discussion |
| 23:11.57 | Apollozeus | then don't call my beautiful country shitty |
| 23:11.57 | Castdead | accepted :) |
| 23:11.57 | Apollozeus | :p |
| 23:12.00 | [Zeal] | *details |
| 23:12.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | [Zeal] |
| 23:12.05 | Apollozeus | no more fecial insults! |
| 23:12.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | I teahced them on how to update the tables :) |
| 23:12.14 | Apollozeus | fecal* |
| 23:12.18 | Gryphen | because it is on a single page nobody can contribute to it? |
| 23:12.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | the tables are actually easy to update |
| 23:12.34 | [Zeal] | then they're more thna able to do what i said themselves :P |
| 23:12.40 | Gryphen | they can contribute just as easy anywhere it is located |
| 23:12.40 | Apollozeus | one quick last note about belgium <_< I watched willy's en marjetten today |
| 23:12.41 | Apollozeus | it's funny |
| 23:12.51 | Castdead | it sucks bigtime |
| 23:12.58 | Apollozeus | X Tractor |
| 23:13.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 23:13.11 | [Zeal] | but the it's not deserving of an article |
| 23:13.23 | Castdead | rly, they just stopped broadcasting willy's and ... :) too few people watching it |
| 23:13.29 | Apollozeus | I know |
| 23:13.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | depends [Zeal] |
| 23:13.33 | Apollozeus | read that today as well |
| 23:13.34 | Apollozeus | D: |
| 23:13.38 | Castdead | :) |
| 23:13.47 | Apollozeus | google video ftw :p |
| 23:14.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | It's one of the most important aspects of the server |
| 23:14.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | who can craft what rare item |
| 23:14.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | how many players can craft it |
| 23:14.31 | [Zeal] | and they're be doubling up their info anyways if they create the player page. if they contribute to the existing page, sure they're putting in info (items they can make, player name, server) but thati nfo can't be reused without duplicating it again. |
| 23:14.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | yes, true |
| 23:14.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | though |
| 23:15.01 | Gryphen | that has hardly happened |
| 23:15.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | Player page ain't always used for such things |
| 23:15.22 | Castdead | wouldn't you want to contact the authors of the manufacture addon, to maybe make an export system for your crafted items? |
| 23:15.23 | Gryphen | 90% of the people on a crafter list will never visit or create a user page on the wiki |
| 23:15.40 | [Zeal] | well yeah. .that's because people are shoving player info on thier user page, and don't knwo the proper (which i tihnk is stupid) policy on player pages. |
| 23:16.07 | Castdead | i can deal with the php aspect with ease while he can do the lua part? |
| 23:16.16 | [Zeal] | Gryphen, you just proved my earlier point. they won't be contributing, they may not care to have their info plastered on the wiki. |
| 23:16.36 | Gryphen | they contributed it to the forums, it is public knowledge |
| 23:17.05 | [Zeal] | doesn't mean they want it on the wiki. |
| 23:17.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 23:17.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | [Zeal] |
| 23:17.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | I litterally destroyed all of our forum stickies ^^ |
| 23:17.55 | Patrigan-Syldra | by just smashing it all on the wiki ^^ |
| 23:18.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | from 6 or 7 stickies |
| 23:18.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | we're down to 1 |
| 23:18.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | (and ofc the usual blizz welcome post) |
| 23:18.21 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 23:18.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | and half the server took it with great joy |
| 23:18.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | because the pages on the wiki |
| 23:18.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | are so much easier to track |
| 23:18.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | you want to see a certain thing |
| 23:19.02 | [Zeal] | indeed |
| 23:19.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | just click Table of Contents |
| 23:19.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | Same goes for the Crafters page |
| 23:19.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | you want to see a certain item |
| 23:19.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | press it |
| 23:19.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | and you can see it |
| 23:19.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | instead of having to browse like 20 posts |
| 23:19.38 | [Zeal] | well you could of just as easily done that in your forum >_> |
| 23:19.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | full with crap |
| 23:19.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | it works for PvE and PvP |
| 23:19.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | but not for a crafters page |
| 23:19.58 | Gryphen | yeah but only the post author can keep it up to date |
| 23:20.00 | [Zeal] | well scartch forum. on your server |
| 23:20.51 | [Zeal] | well yeah, thats the benefit of a wiki. |
| 23:21.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'm using the wiki to it's full potential |
| 23:21.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | as a main source for everything within the community |
| 23:21.41 | [Zeal] | you're using the ability to edit a wiki to it's full potential. |
| 23:21.48 | [Zeal] | :p |
| 23:22.41 | Apollozeus | that's his right |
| 23:22.43 | Apollozeus | :P |
| 23:22.47 | Castdead | @patrigan, so you want to try to make a non forum based crafters list right? |
| 23:22.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | yes |
| 23:22.53 | [Zeal] | didn't say it wasn't lol |
| 23:22.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | pfft right.. |
| 23:23.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's what the wiki is made for |
| 23:23.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | a source of information for everything related to WoW |
| 23:23.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | that involves the communtity you play with |
| 23:24.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | been thinking of a good listing |
| 23:24.55 | Castdead | what do you think if we ask for example the makers of wowroster to have an export function with crafting lists, because they allready database them from the guilds. And as a surplus modify manufacture and other trading addons to export data |
| 23:25.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | nah |
| 23:25.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | don't want the use of an addon |
| 23:25.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | it sux tbh :p |
| 23:25.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | WoWwiki can be updated whenever we want |
| 23:25.33 | [Zeal] | anyways, the order in that category declaration should be based on what's most desriable. to look up from items, split by server. to look up from server, split by items (probably what you want). to look up from server, split be player. etc |
| 23:25.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | with addons you have to wait for an addon update |
| 23:25.43 | Castdead | would speed things up, and may lower barrier and effort to export by themself? |
| 23:27.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | nah |
| 23:27.15 | Gryphen | or you could allow server communities to handle the data in their own way |
| 23:27.36 | [Zeal] | which would be a mess and look like it does now >_> |
| 23:27.49 | Gryphen | why do you care what another servers page looks like? |
| 23:28.07 | [Zeal] | because i care about the state of the wiki? |
| 23:28.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | Hey, never said it looked good atm |
| 23:28.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | because it doesn't :p |
| 23:28.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | It stinks as it is atm |
| 23:28.34 | [Zeal] | it's not like it's there little corner of the world which is using the wiki and doesn't matter tothe rest of it. it does. |
| 23:28.45 | Gryphen | well if the data works for them, let them use it, if it doesn't, someone will fix it |
| 23:28.48 | [Zeal] | i know Patrigan-Syldra, no offence to you at all. |
| 23:28.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | nah, I understand what you say |
| 23:29.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | Everyday I get irritated by the lack of information on other servers |
| 23:29.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | and the way they bring it across |
| 23:29.43 | Castdead | btw, can wowwiki can handle the load of so much new users if many many decide to put their data on it? I'm speaking about databases with millions of entries? |
| 23:30.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | yes it can |
| 23:30.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | vlad_ said the wiki can handle lots and lots more |
| 23:30.43 | Castdead | nice |
| 23:30.56 | [Zeal] | only place i consider something to be outside the bounds of most guidelines and policies to maintain quality and consistancy of the wiki, is User: |
| 23:32.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | agree |
| 23:32.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | because I mostly use my user for sandbox uses XD |
| 23:33.55 | [Zeal] | same i'm trying to restructure my userspace atm to get things right. lack of categories made me almost loose some pages. had to run through my contribution list line by line x_x |
| 23:34.15 | [Zeal] | but, not i've got it all categorized. next step, renaming. heh. |
| 23:34.18 | [Zeal] | *now |
| 23:35.33 | Kirkburn | Hoi! Whoever is editing major templates, stop :O |
| 23:35.41 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 23:36.06 | Kirkburn | Or, uh, someone tell the wiki it's a very naughty boy and should hurry up =) |
| 23:36.12 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 23:36.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Subpages |
| 23:36.28 | [Zeal] | silly? |
| 23:36.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | requires editing by someone with knowledge |
| 23:36.51 | Kirkburn | I'm doing that stuff atm |
| 23:36.59 | Kirkburn | Shall see what I can fill in |
| 23:37.44 | [Zeal] | i propose to delete the page, rofl |
| 23:38.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | nah |
| 23:38.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's interesting |
| 23:38.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | as long as he actually advises to use subpages |
| 23:38.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | though... |
| 23:38.34 | Kirkburn | It the wiki slow for others, or just me? |
| 23:38.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | then again |
| 23:38.40 | [Zeal] | well it's more that it would be renamed under my proposal actually. |
| 23:38.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | it brings up the general namespace and naming problem again! |
| 23:38.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | ARGH! |
| 23:39.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | we really need to fix naming and namespaces |
| 23:39.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | and actually fix a set rulke |
| 23:39.20 | [Zeal] | WoWWiki:Page Splits or something |
| 23:39.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | no mroe chaos rules like if this and that then that if that and this do this |
| 23:39.46 | [Zeal] | heh |
| 23:42.19 | Kirkburn | Slow wiki for anyone else? Hello? |
| 23:42.36 | Kirkburn | Can't reach it at all now, actually :/ |
| 23:43.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | not slow for me |
| 23:43.32 | [Zeal] | slowish |
| 23:45.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | slow now for me too >.> |
| 23:45.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | nah still not |
| 23:45.47 | Kirkburn | hmm, perhaps an IP change is in order |
| 23:45.48 | Kirkburn | brb |
| 23:48.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | hmmm |
| 23:48.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | What to do now with the professions list |
| 23:48.58 | [Zeal] | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Main_Page pretty much see the structure of the namespaces down the right. and yes, this is very incomplete and experimental atm :P |
| 23:50.45 | Gryphen | Mmm SilverSide, he had a lot of zeal |
| 23:51.44 | [Zeal] | lol, i've heard this story already :P |
| 23:52.21 | *** join/#wowwiki Karkburn (n=Kirkburn@user-54472348.wfd84a.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 23:53.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | kakburn? |
| 23:54.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | Karkburn* |
| 23:54.10 | Teomyr | oO |
| 23:54.12 | Karkburn | :/ |
| 23:54.24 | Karkburn | Wait, wtf |
| 23:54.33 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 23:54.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | ^^ |
| 23:55.08 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Kirkburn] by ChanServ |
| 23:55.12 | *** join/#wowwiki MentalPower|Code (n=chatzill@host-70-45-116-177.onelinkpr.net) |
| 23:55.17 | Kirkburn | That was ... odd |
| 23:55.29 | Teomyr | wb karkburn :D |
| 23:57.02 | [Zeal] | just realized i have like 50 shows to watch on my box, recorded while i was away |
| 23:57.07 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 23:57.25 | [Zeal] | all south park, that 70's show and scrubs :P |
| 23:57.43 | Teomyr | lol |
| 23:58.08 | Kirkburn | Argh, still no wiki for me |
| 23:58.26 | Teomyr | censorship! |
| 23:58.45 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 23:59.32 | Kirkburn | scrubs ftw |
| 23:59.51 | Teomyr | zomg, se germans are better than we lolz! http://de.wow-wiki.net/wiki/index.php/Gegenst%C3%A4nde |
| 23:59.56 | Teomyr | look at the item links |
