irclog2html for #wowwiki on 20070103

00:07.11Adyszomgwtfnewicon
00:07.55Teomyromgwtfrofl
00:08.07AdysWell that was a surprise oO
00:08.14Teomyrindeed :D
00:08.18Teomyra nice one
00:17.46*** join/#wowwiki MentalPower|Code (i=chatzill@host-70-45-116-177.onelinkpr.net)
00:21.08*** join/#wowwiki Apollozeus (n=neogeo-x@ip51cf1265.direct-adsl.nl)
00:21.20Apollozeusdarn disconnects
00:21.22Apollozeusheh
00:21.24ApollozeusI'm so lazy
00:21.30ApollozeusI still have the Warcraft I cd-rom somewhere in my home
00:21.46Apollozeusbut I don't feel like looking for it and am now downloading the torrent >_>
00:22.03Teomyrlol
00:33.16Tekkubhttp://www.theonion.com/content/node/43189?utm_source=onion_rss_daily
00:54.12KirkburnY'know, the markup on the UK edition of Vista Ultimate is sickening
00:54.25KirkburnUS: $379.99
00:54.46KirkburnUK: £369.99
00:54.55KirkburnThat's nigh on TWICE the price
00:55.00sancuslol
00:55.18KirkburnI'm importing if it doesn't change
00:55.45KirkburnBut that is just ... illegal! :/
00:56.01Kirkburnargh
00:58.19Adysoff to bed
00:58.20Adysgn all
00:58.38KirkburnSee ya!
01:31.49Tekkubhehe
01:31.50Tekkubhttp://wow.warcry.com/scripts/news/view_news.phtml?site=19&id=67252
01:32.12Kirkburnvlad_, how easy might it be to add a favicon, and would you like us to make one for you?
01:32.27Tekkubfavicon GOOD!
01:32.30TekkubFIRE BAD!
01:33.17KirkburnThe warcry news is old
01:34.14KirkburnSee the shout box: http://ui.worldofwar.net/
01:35.52Tekkub:P
01:37.02Kirkburnhttp://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Featured_articles please :)
01:38.25*** join/#wowwiki kaso (n=kaso@host81-159-133-178.range81-159.btcentralplus.com)
01:38.43kasoHa, finally a wow wiki irc chan :>
01:39.02kasomight as well call this wowi 2.0
01:40.38kasoOk, real reason for talking:
01:41.05kasoshouldnt http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Wowwikiirc.png use an image other than the mIRC logo, isnt that copyrighted or something?
01:41.17*** join/#wowwiki dok3Dal (n=dok@AStrasbourg-251-1-78-121.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr)
01:42.22KirkburnHeya kaso
01:42.36KirkburnErm
01:42.45KirkburnDammit, why'd Apollo have to leave
01:43.04kasoHey Kirkburn
01:43.22KirkburnI'll tell him on his talk page, see if he can change it
01:43.23kasoHow long's this channel been around then?
01:43.32*** join/#wowwiki dok3Dal (n=dok@AStrasbourg-251-1-78-121.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr)
01:43.33KirkburnAbout two weeks
01:44.43kasoI go away for chrismas and i come back and all is changed!
01:45.28Kirkburnheh
01:45.34KirkburnAll is betterness!
01:45.37kasoSo kirkburn, what's your opinion on my comment, as an offical Wowwiki addmin
01:45.46KirkburnThis is it: http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Apollozeus#IRC_pic
01:46.24KirkburnThis is another idea we may soon be implementing (with placement alterations) - http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Apollozeus/Main_Page_with_FA
01:46.29kasoyou idea thief!
01:47.26kasoThats pretty cool
01:47.36kasoI still can't believe that logo won though
01:47.41kasoi really should have voted.
01:49.47*** join/#wowwiki dok3Dal (n=dok@AStrasbourg-251-1-78-121.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr)
01:51.51KirkburnWhat did you want?
01:53.17kasoi forget what the other options were, but not that at least
01:54.53kasohttp://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Wikiicon-gnome-at-work-logo.png
01:54.56kasothat
01:56.33kasoI wonder if i can go back and edit my vote into the archive Noone will notice!!
01:59.51Kirkburnooh, good article: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoW_Addiction
01:59.58Kirkburnkaso, I wanted that one
02:00.38kasothat article is depressing
02:01.25kasoi think i fall into every one of those :<
02:01.41Tekkub"Neglect of personal hygiene"  I'm assuming they mean a change in habits?
02:01.47TekkubI was neglectful before :)
02:02.08kasohaha
02:05.16KirkburnI love this page: http://www.wowwiki.com/Blizzard_forum_poster
02:15.42KirkburnUgh! http://www.wowwiki.com/TBC_Recipes
02:30.14KirkburnI'm off now
02:30.40Kirkburnvlad_, sancus glad to see you both on here, hope to see ya here again :)
02:31.01Kirkburn(may this joyous occassion never end ;)
02:31.40Kirkburn*occa-...ocasi-..... *day
02:31.49*** join/#wowwiki kaso (n=kaso@host81-159-133-178.range81-159.btcentralplus.com)
02:37.13*** join/#wowwiki Scylderon (n=jbosman@pool-71-102-97-160.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net)
03:17.31kazurkCan you enchant staves with fiery weapon?
03:52.45Guillotinesure
03:52.52Guillotinecan't think of why you would though
03:59.36kazurkjust for looks
03:59.38kazurkfire mage
04:04.59Guill|DamQueuehaha. ya, you can do that
04:05.08Guill|DamQueuefiery works on all weapons
04:51.16*** join/#wowwiki Hobinheim (n=meatwad@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
04:51.21*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Hobinheim] by ChanServ
04:51.39Hobinheimrust to the ak
05:42.44Hobinheimyou guys suck =(
06:07.51*** join/#wowwiki Tekkub (n=tekkub@adsl-70-250-24-54.dsl.fyvlar.swbell.net)
06:07.51*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Tekkub] by ChanServ
06:15.48*** part/#wowwiki Hobinheim (n=meatwad@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
06:28.11*** join/#wowwiki OpenFaceSurgery (n=pwnt@ip70-172-221-106.ri.ri.cox.net)
06:28.24OpenFaceSurgeryI must say the website has been awesomely helpful (and at times amusing) thus far.
06:29.01OpenFaceSurgeryThe question posed in the topic is an interesting one... Hey, anyone else experience a bug in the Deeprun Tram?
06:29.09OpenFaceSurgeryIt vanished and I fell. :(
06:29.31OpenFaceSurgeryI couldn't find any reference to it on the wiki, dunno if there's a section that deals with bugs or not.
06:30.08OpenFaceSurgeryI did notice that there are pages missing from quest chains, I could work on those as I complete the quests...
06:31.46*** join/#wowwiki Matholum (i=Matholum@cpe-24-210-230-158.woh.res.rr.com)
06:31.55OpenFaceSurgeryHooray, someone else is awake.
06:32.46OpenFaceSurgery...you ARE awake, right? Perhaps I am going insane.
06:32.58Matholumoh, sorry... lol... ya... hi!
06:33.17OpenFaceSurgery:D
06:33.35OpenFaceSurgerySo, umm
06:33.37OpenFaceSurgeryyeah
06:33.44Matholumhow are you?
06:34.05OpenFaceSurgerynot bad, not bad
06:34.11OpenFaceSurgeryPerusing the wiki
06:34.33OpenFaceSurgeryI've been spending too much time in Duskwood on my main lately
06:34.53OpenFaceSurgeryGetting overconfident to the point where I go AFK in the Raven Hill Cemetery, come back 2 seconds later, and Mor'Ladim has killed me.
06:35.07Matholumoh really? i need to lvl but i am lazy... i just program instead... lol
06:35.23Matholumi am only lvl 7... lol
06:35.35OpenFaceSurgeryI have a 29 rogue as my main
06:35.56Matholumi am a mage
06:36.00OpenFaceSurgeryOther than that... 22 mage, 24 warlock, 25 warrior, uh, 17 priest (new) 16 hunter (newish)
06:36.10OpenFaceSurgeryThere's another, I know there is
06:36.17Matholumlol.... more than me ^_^
06:36.22OpenFaceSurgeryNo, wait, just the 6.
06:36.35OpenFaceSurgeryI miscounted. There's just those.
06:36.47OpenFaceSurgeryBeing a mage is fun, wait till you learn Blink.
06:37.03Matholumwhat is that?
06:37.13OpenFaceSurgeryAnd wait until you can no longer resist the temptation to run somewhere far too high-level for you for the sheer unadulterated hell of it.
06:37.27OpenFaceSurgeryLike the Burning Steppes at lvl 20.
06:37.53OpenFaceSurgeryI had the good fortune to find a high-level priest in there who didn't mind escorting me to the Aliiance flight master
06:38.17OpenFaceSurgerySo I can fly there on my mage long before I should ever be going there, because I'm crazy.
06:38.26Matholumlol... ya, that sounds hard but i bet it lvl'd ya good ^_^
06:38.35OpenFaceSurgeryWell, it got me almost to 22.
06:38.53OpenFaceSurgeryAnd I got a mithril lockbox outta the deal.
06:39.14Matholumcool ^_^
06:47.28*** join/#wowwiki Bragi (i=Bragi@gateway/tor/x-bd8dd4c1b9323f30)
07:05.07*** join/#wowwiki Cairenn (n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
07:05.07*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ
07:23.37*** join/#wowwiki i5-kami (n=kami@adsl-69-231-54-100.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net)
07:23.53i5-kamiyo
07:23.55i5-kamianyone here?
07:36.30*** join/#wowwiki StNick (n=stnick@196.202.249.165)
07:48.31*** join/#wowwiki notnow (n=notnow@moa.hut.fi)
08:10.57*** join/#wowwiki Element (n=your@12-217-105-181.client.mchsi.com)
08:11.04ElementWhats up everyone
09:00.26*** join/#wowwiki Apollozeus (n=neogeo-x@ip51cf1265.direct-adsl.nl)
10:04.23*** join/#wowwiki Royal (n=m@cp291458-a.landg1.lb.home.nl)
10:15.51*** join/#wowwiki Caiman (n=Caiman@105.Red-80-25-96.staticIP.rima-tde.net)
10:29.35*** join/#wowwiki Patrigan-Syldra (n=iron_pla@54.56-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be)
10:29.39Patrigan-Syldragmorning people
10:39.34Teomyrmorning
11:06.43*** join/#wowwiki amro (n=amro@82.101.184.159)
11:12.10amrohow can i find an item's icon's filename, without a local wow install?
11:14.20*** join/#wowwiki cimot_16 (n=sugoi@202.95.149.115)
11:15.28Patrigan-Syldracheck the wiki? XD
11:15.46Patrigan-SyldraHmmm, guys, can we actually allow something along the lines of: http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Andorhal
11:15.51Patrigan-Syldracheck the server: lore
11:16.04Patrigan-SyldraI'm not a racist, but that seems wrong...
11:16.10*** part/#wowwiki cimot_16 (n=sugoi@202.95.149.115)
11:19.44amrois there a page on the wiki with all the icons?
11:20.44Patrigan-Syldrayes
11:20.47Patrigan-Syldragive me a sec
11:21.03amrohm that Al Qaeda thing needs to be removed methinks
11:21.05Patrigan-Syldrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/Category:WoW_Icons
11:21.05amronot a funny joke
11:21.11Patrigan-Syldrafrom here o just follow the subcategories
11:21.40Patrigan-Syldrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:WoW_Icons
11:21.42Patrigan-Syldraor that one
11:21.45amrosweet, thanks!
11:21.50Patrigan-Syldrafor a direct link to the part you need
11:22.02Patrigan-Syldrado realise
11:22.19Patrigan-Syldrathat the icon you need is not necessarily in the place you hope it to b
11:24.14amrohow so?
11:24.24amrowell im not doing direct links anyway
11:25.14Patrigan-Syldranah, but sometimes an icon is used for a weapon or so, but the same icon is also used for a spell
11:25.23Patrigan-Syldraor 2 spells with the same icon
11:27.26amrooh you mean the categories?
11:27.34amroyeah, i found my chestpiece icon in the chain category
11:27.40amrochestplate
11:28.06Patrigan-Syldra:)
11:28.10*** join/#wowwiki Tzioup (i=tzioup@AFontenayssB-151-1-54-106.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr)
11:28.25*** join/#wowwiki Paymon (n=chatzill@88-110-184-255.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com)
11:30.53amrothottbot and allakhazam are showing different stats on an item, http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=14624, http://www.thottbot.com/?i=18831
11:31.49amrothe comments on thottbot mention +25 def
11:32.24amroreading further, it got nerfed
11:36.07Tzioupy
11:37.19amroback when blizz nerfed all +def
11:37.56Patrigan-Syldranope
11:37.58Patrigan-Syldraboth wrong
11:38.29Patrigan-Syldrathe stats are the same, the Allakhazam one just shows the new rating system
11:39.06Patrigan-Syldra(with both worng, I actually meant that the nerf has nothing to do with the difference)
11:39.09amrowell im going nuts on thottbot trying to find which of the identically named spells give +17 def
11:39.24amroso, what do i put on it? 17 or 25?
11:39.26Patrigan-Syldraif you read well you can read on ALlakhazam Defense RATING
11:39.34Patrigan-Syldrathey'll both give 17 defense
11:39.46Patrigan-Syldraallakhazam one just shows it as a rating
11:39.48amroi didn't notice <>
11:39.52amro><
11:39.55Patrigan-Syldramuch like the new crit rating and hit rating
11:40.14Patrigan-Syldrathis is doine so that the chestplate will not give 17 defense anymore on lvl 70
11:40.19Patrigan-Syldrabut probably around 10
11:42.34amrothey need to move on to scaling stuns
11:42.44amroscaling them down
11:49.00amrosomeone is creating a bunch of pages with just {{stub/bc}}
11:49.35*** join/#wowwiki foxlit (n=me@0x50c4b029.albnxx9.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk)
11:52.54Tzioupk thanks patrigan :)
12:05.20*** join/#wowwiki SoLi (n=Soli@80.208.231.194)
12:15.01TzioupDo we will need to kill illidan before killing archimonde in hyjal? (on bc ?)
12:15.45Tzioupor illidan is even stronger than archimonde?
12:18.14amroillidan is supposed to be the strongest, and you don't get to 'kill' him
12:18.29amroapparently he goes "I'll be back" or something
12:19.47Tzioupon the instance roadmap (http://www.worldofraids.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2698), black temple doesn't appear
12:20.10amroprobably because its not in BC yet
12:20.22Tzioupit's not implemented
12:20.26amrowasn't it black citadel though, in tft? or he changed his HQ?
12:20.34Tziouphe cjanged
12:20.47amroand didn't magtheridon get slaughtered?
12:20.56amroman, raid content is totallly slaughtering the lore
12:21.07dok3Dalmagtheridon get enslaved by Illidan
12:21.43Patrigan-SyldraBlack Citadel and Black Temple are one and the same
12:21.47Patrigan-Syldrajust a slight naming issue
12:22.19Tzioupmagtheridon is in a 25man instance, enslaved
12:22.22Patrigan-SyldraMagtheridon did get slaughtered, but apparently not enough to completely kill him (doesn't surprise me) thus, Illidan had to keep him under control.
12:22.49Patrigan-Syldrahe did not enslave him however, considering that Magtheridon does not do anything else than curse
12:23.04Patrigan-Syldrahe's just being kept in place, unmovable with his own strength
12:23.13Tzioupk
12:23.18Patrigan-Syldrahowever, you as a player will first kill these orcish warlocks keeping him in place
12:23.21amroweird, mannoroth died easy
12:23.27Patrigan-Syldrasome kind of megabanish
12:23.29amroeasily*
12:23.29Patrigan-Syldraeasy?
12:23.33Patrigan-Syldradon't think so
12:23.43Patrigan-SyldraMannoroth was slaughtered by hundreds of orcs
12:23.52Patrigan-Syldraled by Grom
12:24.00amrono
12:24.06Patrigan-Syldraand these orcs also were carrying the blood of Mannoroth within them
12:24.15Patrigan-Syldragiving them extreme powers to be stronger than Mannoroth
12:24.39Tziouporcs of chaos?
12:24.51amrohe was 1shotted by grom
12:24.55Tziouplol
12:25.24Patrigan-Syldrasec, that I need to check :p
12:25.24amropat, he was 1shotted. magtheridon got zerged by naga, blood elfs, draeni, and illidan
12:25.56Patrigan-SyldraAh, sec I see now ^^
12:25.58Patrigan-Syldramy fault :p
12:26.02amroits in the orc cinematic in WC3
12:26.02amroan awesome cinematic
12:26.06Patrigan-SyldraMannoroth was alrdy mortally wounded by thrall :)
12:26.12amrono
12:26.19amrohe was laughing at thrall's attack
12:26.26Patrigan-Syldrayes, but he was wounded from it
12:26.33amrowhich only got his shield
12:26.34Patrigan-Syldraand that's exactly where Grom struck him
12:27.15amrostill, magtheridon got owned harder
12:27.15amroand he's weaker than mannoroth
12:27.36Patrigan-SyldraWell, I suppose he isn't
12:28.06amroaccording to the wiki, thrall got mannoroth in the wing, while grom struck at his chest
12:28.15Patrigan-Syldrahmmmm
12:28.19Patrigan-Syldrasomething isn't right there >.>
12:28.29Patrigan-Syldrawell, perhaps I'm mistaken then oO
12:28.36Patrigan-Syldrathough if we read the wiki
12:28.51amroand according to the WC3 stats and storyline, magtheridon is weaker
12:28.51Patrigan-Syldrawe see that the demonic fires erupting from the wound made by Grom also killed Mannoroth
12:29.04Patrigan-Syldrabut magtheridon lived a lot longer
12:29.29amrothose were coming out of him
12:29.58Patrigan-Syldraindeed
12:30.56Patrigan-Syldraso we might be able to take that only the demonic fires from a pitlord himself can kill him...
12:30.56Patrigan-SyldraI can only tell you to wait untill Magtheridon has been effectively downed
12:31.54Patrigan-SyldraApollozeus you be here?
12:32.00amrobah i really don't care. raid encounters have little to do with lore. I mean, how do you see an important character like Vashj dying because some random people needed epics?
12:32.09Apollozeusyes
12:32.11ApollozeusI am
12:32.18Patrigan-Syldrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/Karazhan
12:32.26ApollozeusI'll take a look in a sec
12:32.28Patrigan-Syldracan you remind kirkburn that I fixed it
12:32.36Apollozeusok, will do that
12:33.39foxlitSome of those Examples in api docs are downright copies of FrameXML code :/
12:33.50Patrigan-Syldrastill a shitload of text but at least most of the crap is out of it and I updated it with slightly more interesting information (like the key quest)
12:35.12Patrigan-Syldrashould I take out the category coming soon and Future zones?
12:36.49Tzioupis Arthas (lich king) controlled by the burning legion?
12:36.55Apollozeushttp://www.wowwiki.com/Mount
12:36.59Patrigan-Syldralol no
12:37.05Patrigan-Syldrahe was yes
12:37.07Patrigan-Syldrabut not anymore
12:37.10Patrigan-Syldrahe broke his bonds
12:37.10Apollozeushe "broke free"
12:37.25Apollozeusas long as you can consider being part of the scourge as "free"
12:37.35Tzioupstronger than the BL?
12:37.58amroi want warcraft 4
12:38.00Apollozeushmm
12:38.02Apollozeuspatrigan
12:38.10Apollozeusthe intro is still too "lore"-ish for my tastes
12:38.17Apollozeuslemme rephrase it
12:38.32Patrigan-Syldrawell, just took out the biggest RP-ish thing XD
12:38.39Patrigan-Syldradidn't really know how to rephrase it >.>
12:39.06ApollozeusI'll see what I can do
12:39.12Apollozeusmeanwhile, checkout my cleanup of [[Mount]]
12:39.46*** join/#wowwiki Hobinheim (n=meatwad@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
12:39.46*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Hobinheim] by ChanServ
12:39.48Patrigan-Syldrayeah looking at it now
12:42.21foxlit"10% PvP rank 3 (Sergeant) discount. Although this can no longer be acchieved after patch 2.0.1 by those rank 2 or lower, those who did still retain the discount.
12:42.23foxlitConfirmed?
12:42.57Patrigan-Syldranot that I know
12:43.14Patrigan-SyldraI actually am interested in what blizzard is doing with the discount now >.>
12:44.18amroand chatting in WorldDefense
12:44.48ApollozeusI don't know foxlit
12:44.54Apollozeusthat's why I didn't touch it :/
12:45.18Hobinheimcan you chat in world defense?
12:45.28Hobinheimnot you ever, can you?
12:46.07Patrigan-Syldrawell
12:46.10Patrigan-SyldraI hope not
12:46.14Patrigan-Syldrabecauseit'll be spammed alrdy
12:46.21Patrigan-Syldraby the outlands World PvP thingies
12:46.23foxlit1 rank short of being able to tell you.
12:46.27Patrigan-Syldraeach time someone will capture something
12:46.29Patrigan-Syldrait will be said
12:46.39amrowe have a WorldPvP channel already
12:46.46amroyeah but that can go in LocalDefense
12:46.56Patrigan-Syldrawell it also goes in Worlddefense atm
12:47.12Patrigan-Syldraeither way, I'm hiungry, gonan fetch some food
12:53.10amrohow can I stop the underlines from headers from showing behind the ToC?
12:58.14Apollozeusehm
12:58.32Apollozeushow necessary is it to stop that?
13:02.30amroit looks ugly
13:02.59Apollozeusit's not that bad IMO
13:03.40foxlituse left toc if it bugs you? :)
13:04.04amrothat's exactly what im using =P
13:04.25amroim playing around with moving the toc in http://www.wowwiki.com/Warcraft:_The_Roleplaying_Game
13:04.32amroi guess ill just leave it alone
13:05.14foxlitThat's tocright! :)
13:05.31amro`afki changed it to tocleft, i use preview instead of editting the page 50 times
13:05.33amro`afk=P
13:06.01foxlitOh, and strike =Overview=
13:06.23*** join/#wowwiki kaso (n=kaso@host81-159-133-178.range81-159.btcentralplus.com)
13:06.29amro`afki did
13:06.35foxlitArticle abstract works well enough without a header.
13:06.47amro`afklevel 1 headers suck
13:06.53Apollozeusoh yes
13:06.57Apollozeuseradicate them
13:07.18amro`afkwell im afking, ill poke around the article in 15-30 min
13:07.34foxlitMeh, there should be level 1 headers.
13:07.42foxlitJust not the kind that people staple to the top of the article.
13:08.58Hobinheimwhy does no one like autotoc!!!! :shakefist:
13:09.19Hobinheim8o| that's for anyone using trillian
13:09.25Hobinheimarg didn't show up =(
13:10.11foxlitIt's just that people don't typically write abstracts that are comparable in size to the eventual autotoc, hence generating the "1 line of text - wall of wasted space on toc - content" effect.
13:52.04*** join/#wowwiki naril (n=opera@89.31.40.123)
13:52.16*** part/#wowwiki naril (n=opera@89.31.40.123)
14:02.42*** join/#wowwiki Tepetkhet (n=Tepetkhe@office70.corp.sspan.net)
14:15.26*** join/#wowwiki Kirkburn (n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net)
14:15.26*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Kirkburn] by ChanServ
14:18.48KirkburnMorning!
14:18.56TepetkhetHi there.
14:19.05TepetkhetI figured I'd give you guys another chance.
14:20.36kasoHave i missed something interesting?
14:24.27TepetkhetNope.  Just grumpy discussions of what is endgame.
14:25.14equiraptorWhich later devolved to mage vs. warlock vs. shadow priest discussions.
14:25.22kasohaha
14:26.17*** join/#wowwiki Tekkub (n=tekkub@ip70-178-135-244.ks.ks.cox.net)
14:26.17*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Tekkub] by ChanServ
14:27.35Patrigan-Syldramy fault :<
14:27.52Patrigan-SyldraKirkburn mission accomplished: http://www.wowwiki.com/Karazhan
14:28.08Patrigan-Syldrain total it gave me 3 extra edits
14:28.21Patrigan-Syldra1 to redo all and 1 to take out a few typos and 1 to do something random
14:38.13*** join/#wowwiki Adys (n=Miranda@APoitiers-256-1-90-116.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr)
14:38.13*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Adys] by ChanServ
14:42.08TepetkhetOur guild
14:42.11Tepetkhetis getting better.
14:42.49TepetkhetWe one-shotted all aspects + bloodlord + Hakkar in ZG last night...went and one-shotted Kurinnaxx in AQ20, and then went to bed.
14:43.15TepetkhetI got my Fang of the Faceless finally off of Hakkar.
14:43.30equiraptorIs that the one Moob wanted?
14:43.41Tepetkhethehehe
14:43.49TepetkhetGuess who had more DKP?
14:43.59TepetkhetAnd yes.
14:44.13TepetkhetHe already has one HWL Razor, though.
14:44.24TepetkhetAnd is about 500 honour away from Razor #2.
14:45.02equiraptorHeh
14:45.48TepetkhetThat's actually the first time we've one-shotted Hakkar.
14:45.55TepetkhetI know, I know.
14:46.17TepetkhetIt's not Kel'Thuzad and doesn't count.
14:50.23amro`afkKirkburn: http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Andorhal#Andorhal_Server_Lore
14:50.52amro`afki don't see anything against the before last paragraph in WW:DNP but its still downright insulting
14:55.03foxlit"Server Lore"? Meh.
14:55.35KirkburnHello, sorry, was out
14:56.20KirkburnPatrigan-Syldra, good work :)
14:58.39Kirkburnamro`afk, removed
14:58.59TepetkhetI like to move it, move it.
14:59.09Patrigan-Syldradid my best on it
14:59.17Patrigan-Syldrasay guys
14:59.23Patrigan-Syldrawhat about the new namespaces?
14:59.30KirkburnApollozeus, Fandyllic is very unlikely to allow a featured article to take up so much space
14:59.41Patrigan-Syldrawith vlad_ back we can fix that perhaps?
14:59.48Apollozeusfandy
14:59.54Tepetkhethttp://www.iana.org/gtld/gtld.htm
14:59.55Apollozeusehh?
15:00.03ApollozeusI thought wikis were pretty democratic
15:00.09Apollozeusmeaning... one person can't block it
15:00.44Tepetkhethahaha
15:00.47Tepetkhet.cat
15:00.54foxlitLinkfarm > Featured article.
15:00.56foxlitEnd of story.
15:01.06KirkburnQuite democratic, not fully democratic :P
15:01.24Apollozeuslet's hear it then
15:01.46Tepetkheti.like.to.eat.pussy.cat ?
15:01.47ApollozeusI'm not blowing my plan because someone "might not like it"
15:01.48KirkburnHmm, trying to think of ways to fit it in
15:01.56KirkburnNo, no this isn't against the idea!
15:02.02ApollozeusI'm open to compromises though
15:02.22KirkburnIt just needs to not push down the links as much
15:02.34ApollozeusI don't see why not
15:02.48KirkburnCertainly promote a featured article, but not at the expense of the other links (which are more important)
15:03.08KirkburnWhich is why I suggest having it as the 2nd section
15:03.16*** join/#wowwiki sand_ (n=sand@tekkaman.porgfa.org)
15:03.19Apollozeushmm
15:03.28Apollozeuslet me see how other wikis have arranged this
15:04.02*** join/#wowwiki Katina_ (i=Green13@dyn84.kif4.nas.panafonet.gr)
15:04.07Katina_HI!
15:04.17Patrigan-Syldrahi!
15:04.21Apollozeuspersonally, I think the featured article could also be traded in for those coding links in the green box
15:04.28Katina_how do you do?
15:04.37Patrigan-Syldragreat! and you?
15:04.43Patrigan-SyldraSo Katina_
15:04.44Katina_fine ! thnx!
15:04.50Patrigan-Syldrawhat are you coming to do here? ^^
15:05.01Patrigan-Syldrawith other words, what can we do for you :)à
15:05.13Katina_xmmmm it depends...
15:05.41foxlitTouch the coding links and perish. :)
15:06.00Patrigan-Syldraoi, walking thin ice now Apollozeus
15:06.03Patrigan-Syldratouch them!
15:07.02Apollozeuswell, I see no reason for the coding links to be that high
15:07.03Apollozeushttp://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Recentchanges
15:07.31Apollozeusit's not a popular subject within wowwiki, see for yourself
15:07.49Apollozeusand Patrigan-Syldra, I can't ;p the main page is protected
15:08.10Patrigan-SyldraI know, sad isn't it? :<
15:08.15KirkburnNo, the coding links won't be moving
15:08.34KirkburnScreaming and blinding, that'll occur I assure you
15:08.36Patrigan-Syldrajust questioning, but what exactly are the coding links in the green box?
15:08.45KirkburnInterface Customization
15:08.49kaso<Apollozeus> RC isnt really helpful, it there was a recently accessed i feel it would look different
15:08.59Patrigan-Syldrathat's not green oO
15:09.07Kirkburnheh
15:09.08KirkburnWatch me please: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:RC
15:09.10Apollozeusthat's so fake, kaso
15:09.13Kirkburn(from the topic)
15:09.19kasoFake?
15:09.40Apollozeusyup
15:09.49kasohow do you mean?
15:10.01KirkburnWhat's not a popular subject within the WoWWiki? The UI sections? You'd be sorely mistaken ...
15:10.01Apollozeusthat you typed it up yourself :)
15:10.15foxlitThat's probably just a missing colon.
15:10.16KirkburnNo, he wasn't quoting you
15:10.20Kirkburn:P
15:10.24Patrigan-Syldrawell
15:10.40Patrigan-Syldrawhat bothers me is that I recently heard that Addons aren't allowed...
15:10.48kasoim confused, all i was saying that just because a subject isnt on the recently changed, doesnt mean its not popular
15:11.03Apollozeusah, Isee
15:11.05ApollozeusI see*
15:11.12TepetkhetYou heard that Addons aren't allowed?  In WoW?
15:11.15Patrigan-Syldrano
15:11.17Patrigan-Syldraon the wiki
15:11.19Apollozeusby typing <Apollozeus> in front of stuff you make it seem as if I typed it
15:11.19Tepetkhetah
15:11.20Apollozeus:p
15:11.21TepetkhetOkay.
15:11.21foxlitlinky
15:11.21Tepetkhetheh
15:11.22kasoI mean the majority of edits seem to be Realm/Guild pages, and i doubt any of them get over 50 views
15:11.23KirkburnAddOn pages are allowed *if they're the main info page for the addon* or are very well written and frequently updated
15:11.25Adysspam..
15:11.26TepetkhetConfuse me there.
15:11.34foxlitWW:ADDON really
15:11.45Patrigan-Syldrayeah
15:11.51kasoApollozeus sorry that was me copying your name from my IRC client cos im lazy
15:11.54Patrigan-Syldrathat actually filters out nearly all addons imo
15:11.59Apollozeusit's ok :p
15:12.10foxlitTrue, we aren't an addon database as such.
15:12.18foxlitBut there are times when it's convinient to use the wiki format :)
15:12.23Patrigan-Syldraand why is the wowwiki a cosmos lover anyways?
15:12.23*** join/#wowwiki mahtov (n=vhirst@63.240.103.251)
15:12.28KirkburnFor readme's etc, yeah
15:12.30Patrigan-Syldramust be one of the worst addons I ever used
15:12.42KirkburnI would respectfully disagree
15:13.04amroCosmos isn't bad
15:13.04Patrigan-SyldraI hate it...
15:13.11KirkburnWhy?
15:13.13amroI don't use it anymore, but I know there are a lot of people that find it very useful
15:13.15kasoOh, this convosation is going to be fun
15:13.16amroits user friendly
15:13.17Adysgotta agree with patrigan tbh
15:13.26Adysbut doesnt really matter
15:13.30Patrigan-Syldrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/Pizza
15:13.30KirkburnCosmos was the original main supporter of the wiki, and much of the documentation is on there
15:13.45Patrigan-Syldrawho friggin cares? Why make it a seperate page oO
15:13.55Patrigan-Syldradetails like that...
15:14.00KirkburnMake what a separate page?
15:14.08Adys[[Pizza]] kirk
15:14.18Kirkburnbecause it's a cosmos addon
15:14.36Patrigan-Syldraor incomplete crap like http://www.wowwiki.com/PopNUI
15:14.40KirkburnAs previously mentioned: "AddOn pages are allowed *if they're the main info page for the addon*"
15:14.55Patrigan-SyldraoO
15:15.04Patrigan-Syldrait's not the main info page for cosmos afaik
15:15.08Patrigan-Syldrait has it's own page nowadays
15:15.18foxlitOnce again: link.
15:15.19KirkburnInfo page not forum/download pages
15:15.22Patrigan-Syldrahttp://www.cosmosui.org/
15:15.44Patrigan-Syldranot good enough perhaps?
15:15.56KirkburnThe _documentation_ is on the wiki
15:16.11KirkburnReason why it's not fully up to date is cause of a lack of devs in the Cosmos team
15:16.21ApollozeusI've moved the page
15:16.22Patrigan-SyldraAh I see
15:16.22Apollozeus:D
15:16.47Apollozeusdamn
15:16.51Apollozeusit's malfunctioning now
15:16.52Apollozeus>_<
15:16.54KirkburnCosmos is not an awful set of addons, it's quite reasonable _for those who want a simple package_, if you can do better yourself, then by all means
15:17.00TepetkhetHey, wait...
15:17.08TepetkhetYou guys use mediawiki, don't you...
15:17.12Apollozeusyes
15:17.25KirkburnApollozeus, don't do that
15:17.37Apollozeusdidn't know it would do that, sorry :/
15:17.48Patrigan-SyldraXD
15:17.53Patrigan-Syldragood, I concur
15:18.13Patrigan-Syldrastill, cosmos isn't what it was like in its old glory days
15:18.30TepetkhetWe are trying to use it internally, but it seems to break when we add more than 9 links to a page.
15:18.56KirkburnThat's odd
15:19.05TepetkhetYeah.
15:19.24TepetkhetI put up a string of [[link one]] [[link two]] etc
15:19.29TepetkhetAnd up to 9 is fine.
15:19.41TepetkhetBut if I add ONE more, it breaks.  One of the links becomes a permanent edit link.
15:19.44TepetkhetIt's so weird.
15:19.56TepetkhetI haven't found any mention of this issue online.
15:20.14Adystep, try with another browser
15:20.22Adysmight be a spam blocker or anything
15:20.27TepetkhetOh, I have tried.
15:20.33TepetkhetIE, Firefox, Opera.
15:20.49amromaybe you were using a bugged version?
15:20.54amroi had one running fine
15:20.56TepetkhetLink 4 and link 10 turn red.
15:21.02Adysred?
15:21.05Tepetkhetyup
15:21.12Adyswell do they exist?
15:21.15amrowhat does clicking them do? edit new page or edit existing page?
15:21.30Patrigan-SyldraApollozeus
15:21.32Patrigan-Syldrahttp://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=102870554&sid=1
15:21.39Patrigan-Syldraperhaps for the mount page updating even more?
15:21.43Tepetkhetindex.php?title=Test_four&action=edit
15:21.53Apollozeushmm
15:21.54Apollozeuslet me see
15:21.56amrobut does Test_four exist already?
15:21.59Tepetkhetnope
15:22.00Adystepetkhet, does the page exist?
15:22.04Adyswell then nothing wrong
15:22.05Patrigan-Syldraspecifically the skill prizes
15:22.06amrothere you have it
15:22.07TepetkhetNone of them do.
15:22.11Adysuh
15:22.22Adysgo to preferences
15:22.25TepetkhetMaybe I'm creating them wrong.
15:22.40Adysediting
15:22.43TepetkhetI've been creating pages by just making  a page with [[link]]
15:22.48TepetkhetAnd then clicking link and editing.
15:22.51foxlit"Big Wigs automatically senses the nearby presence of a boss"
15:22.58foxlitTelepathic addons! Run! :)
15:23.14Apollozeusthe horde ones are called windriders huh
15:23.25ApollozeusI thought they were going to be called wyverns
15:23.27Apollozeus:s
15:23.37TepetkhetAdys: There.
15:23.45KirkburnEr, they should be wyverns
15:23.49Adystrying to find it
15:24.01Adysno sorry go to preferences, misc
15:24.08Adysuntick "format broken links"
15:24.16Adysand clear your cache with that
15:24.35KirkburnHmm, odd, so they are windriders
15:25.27Patrigan-Syldrathey have always been like that
15:25.32TepetkhetOkay.
15:25.33Patrigan-Syldrawindrider master
15:25.34Apollozeusyippy yah yo, yippy yah yaa... wind riders in the sky
15:25.35TepetkhetLet me try that.
15:25.36Apollozeus:p
15:25.48Adysbeep-beep spam, argh, miranda
15:25.57Patrigan-SyldraEgg bacon and spamm!
15:26.04Adyslol
15:26.40TepetkhetWell, there's spam spam baked beans and spam...
15:27.17ApollozeusI DONT LIKE SPAM
15:27.27KirkburnAdys, that's weird - it didn't show an edit conflict for the Known Vandals page
15:27.29TepetkhetHAHA
15:27.30*** part/#wowwiki sand_ (n=sand@tekkaman.porgfa.org)
15:27.39Adyshm?
15:27.39TepetkhetNow it just shows them as "Test four?" instead.
15:27.40Apollozeus<3 monty python
15:27.49Apollozeuswow needs monty python references
15:27.50ApollozeusD:
15:28.17TepetkhetWhen I edit the page, it still shows it all as [[test one]] etc.
15:28.38Apollozeushttp://img299.imageshack.us/img299/1609/snowygryphongk1.jpg
15:28.55Apollozeuswhy the blue stuff :/
15:28.59Apollozeusthat makes them look way ugly
15:29.02AdysKirkburn: Maybe my edits are too good to be conflictive?
15:29.26amro<PROTECTED>
15:29.28TepetkhetAll the other links are like index.php/Test_one when I click on [[Test one]].
15:29.43TepetkhetAnd I can edit them and it's all happy.
15:29.45Apollozeusno amro
15:29.57Apollozeusit results in -> <blah blah after /* text */>
15:30.03KirkburnSnowy gryphons are gorgeous
15:30.10Apollozeuswith -> being a clickable link to the section called text
15:30.11KirkburnI want a swift snowy gryphon :(
15:30.18amrooh
15:30.20amrothanks
15:30.21Apollozeuspurple eyes, blue beak :/
15:30.23Apollozeusbah
15:30.52KirkburnAh, but have you ridden one?
15:31.00Apollozeusnope
15:31.18KirkburnI assure you the picture doesn't do them justice :)
15:31.39TepetkhetThose are pretty.
15:31.46TepetkhetBRB
15:31.49*** join/#wowwiki Adys8924 (n=Miranda@90.16.25.254)
15:31.49Apollozeushmm, I'd still go with the ebon one
15:31.50ApollozeusD:
15:32.04KirkburnI'm gonna get them all
15:32.34Apollozeusgryphmon. gotta catch 'em all
15:33.10Patrigan-Syldrak that scared me...
15:33.18Patrigan-Syldrathanks a lot for killing my inner child :<
15:33.46ApollozeusD:
15:33.47Apollozeus?
15:35.33Patrigan-SyldraYou guys just raped pokemon :<
15:35.57mahtovi wouldn't call that raping
15:36.12Apollozeusjust making a pun?
15:36.22Patrigan-Syldra:<
15:36.25Apollozeusthat's indeed not raping
15:36.27Patrigan-Syldramy inner child
15:36.29*** join/#wowwiki [Zeal] (n=zeal@host217-44-126-197.range217-44.btcentralplus.com)
15:36.30Patrigan-Syldradead...
15:36.33Patrigan-Syldracompletely dead :<
15:36.59Patrigan-Syldrathanks :(
15:37.04Patrigan-Syldraj/k btw
15:37.07Patrigan-Syldraon a more serious note
15:37.12Patrigan-Syldraand we're always getting offtopic
15:37.16Patrigan-Syldrabut I really want to know tbh
15:37.18Patrigan-SyldraNamespaces!
15:37.31Kirkburn[Zeal], I just had to buy myself a new one
15:38.06Apollozeus<Patrigan-Syldra> and we're always getting offtopic
15:38.07KirkburnOh that's a point, I dunno how hard namespaces are to implement
15:38.08Apollozeuswell duh
15:38.10Apollozeusthat's IRC
15:38.27Patrigan-Syldra>.> offtopicing!
15:38.32*** join/#wowwiki Hobinheim|atwork (n=meatwad@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
15:38.36Kirkburnvlad_, are you able to add namespaces easily/quickly?
15:39.04Patrigan-Syldraare you vlad_? Would be really really nice to have a Server namespace
15:39.40KirkburnIt should really be realm, so I'd rather start off with a more staightforward one :)
15:39.47Kirkburni.e. Quest:
15:40.36Patrigan-Syldragood point :p
15:40.41Patrigan-Syldraand Item:
15:40.49Patrigan-Syldraalso Spell: ...
15:41.24Apollozeusit anybody going to fix [[Template:Elinksspell]] by the way?
15:41.25KirkburnQuest is already used, Spell too, any others?
15:41.36[Zeal]not surprised Kirkburn, lol
15:41.39KirkburnLink don't use blooming [[...]] :P
15:41.45[Zeal]O_o
15:41.52KirkburnOn here!
15:41.57KirkburnNot on the wiki
15:42.04Tepetkhet[[please don't break]]
15:42.12Hobinheim|atworkwait what?
15:42.15[Zeal]changes have been made? :s
15:42.15Hobinheim|atworkwhat's going on
15:42.22Kirkburnzomg slowdown
15:42.33KirkburnApollozeus, fix how?
15:42.40ApollozeusL -> l
15:42.41Apollozeus:p
15:42.55Hobinheim|atworkwhat's going on!
15:42.56KirkburnJust checking it wasn't anything else :)
15:43.01Apollozeusah, thanks
15:43.08Kirkburn[Zeal], notice the top left?
15:43.11Kirkburn(on the wiki)
15:43.24TepetkhetThat's a very snazzy logo, by the way.
15:43.29[Zeal]i see logo
15:43.33[Zeal]rustak has returned?
15:43.37Patrigan-Syldrayup
15:43.39Apollozeusyes
15:43.40Patrigan-Syldraaka vlad_
15:43.42KirkburnHe has been on holiday
15:43.47[Zeal]i also see i have messages
15:43.49Hobinheim|atworkwe need a favicon and a new namespace
15:43.52KirkburnPlease no pestering though
15:43.52[Zeal]and, lo then vlad_ :P
15:43.59Hobinheim|atworkso... define holiday
15:43.59Apollozeushe's afk
15:44.00Apollozeus:p
15:44.00Patrigan-Syldra[Zeal] has messages? :o how odd.
15:44.02Hobinheim|atworklike hibernation?
15:44.07Hobinheim|atworkor visiting another plane?
15:44.25Apollozeuswe afraid he was lost in the emerald dream
15:44.25Adys8924Kirk, can you kick Adys from the chan please ><
15:44.49Patrigan-Syldrawhat's up with the 8924?
15:44.55Patrigan-Syldrais that like your password to WoW?
15:44.58Adys8924lol
15:45.01Apollozeushaha
15:45.03Adys8924No its miranda
15:45.04Apollozeushaxxor
15:45.21KirkburnAdys, you can do it
15:45.25Adys8924No =P
15:45.32Adys8924I got dc'd
15:45.32Kirkburn/ghost Adys <password>
15:45.37Adys8924aah
15:45.47Adys8924unknown command
15:45.50Patrigan-SyldraXD
15:45.57Apollozeus/nickserv ghost adys password
15:46.00*** mode/#wowwiki [+o hobinheim] by ChanServ
15:46.04*** kick/#wowwiki [Adys!n=meatwad@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] by hobinheim (Kick)
15:46.09KirkburnTry /nickserv ghost adys <pass> DAMN YOU APOLLO!
15:46.13Apollozeus:P
15:46.17Patrigan-SyldraXD
15:46.21hobinheimso apparently nickname pipe is a different name...
15:46.23*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Adys] by ChanServ
15:46.28Adys\o/
15:46.34[Zeal]ok.. no messages, jsut Kirkburn messing with my talk page :p
15:46.38amrohobinheim: you need to use your nick to auth
15:46.38Patrigan-Syldrawhile you 2 were discussing, hobin took the easy way :p
15:46.42amroyou can change your nick now
15:46.45amroand you'll still be authed
15:46.49Apollozeusit's not the easy way
15:47.09Apollozeushe still couldn't use his nickname, since Adys was still on the server
15:47.25amroi think a kick causes a ping, sorta
15:47.28amrowhich would time out
15:47.36Apollozeusno, it does not
15:47.46Patrigan-SyldraoO
15:48.27mahtovin BC are they nerfing experience from RRQs?
15:48.58Hobinheimmy unbased guess, sure why not
15:49.03mahtovheh
15:49.47mahtovi've heard yes, but i have not seen anything even semi official on it
15:49.58amroAw man. There goes my plan for turing in 5000 demon lips for XP. (no really, why do they ask for the weirdest body parts?)
15:50.07Adys...
15:50.17Adysthey could ask fo... nvm
15:50.40mahtovi've been hoarding scourgestones heh
15:50.54mahtovi like when a mob doesn't drop said body party though
15:51.05amroLiverless Goretusks??
15:51.07Apollozeusyou do?
15:51.09amroEarless centaur?
15:51.11mahtovdo you know how many headless raptors i've killed in the barrens?
15:51.18ApollozeusI think that's just frustrating
15:51.24Kirkburn[Zeal], oh yeah, not so much with unused categories please :) I think the User page ones were overkill =)
15:51.40mahtovi don't enjoy not getting my quest item... i find the logic of it amusing
15:51.42Patrigan-Syldrathey want whole parts in a good condition
15:51.48Patrigan-Syldraif you hacked into its head
15:51.53Patrigan-Syldraopfc it's useless
15:51.58[Zeal]well it should be in a sandbox granted, but it was intended.
15:52.01mahtovi'm a warlock.  i don't hack things up much
15:52.03equiraptorHow on earth does a zhevra have 0 hooves, though?
15:52.16[Zeal]and far from overkill : /
15:52.20Teomyrthey're crippled
15:52.21equiraptorThose things are fairly hard to mangle seriously while killing the animal, and it starts with 4!
15:52.25mahtovthough i guess i could burn them
15:52.26Apollozeusmagic can alter the body as well
15:52.27equiraptorThey're wild.
15:52.31Kirkburnequiraptor, wizards did it.
15:52.38Apollozeusblasting holes through bodies
15:53.12Kirkburn[Zeal], there's no way you can categorise everyone's user page. It's not feasible or sensible
15:53.26KirkburnThey're already in a namespace!
15:53.30Adys(Kirk is jealous)
15:54.11KirkburnNo problem with making a category for all your stuff though
15:54.29Kirkburn(I think I removed one of that type?)
15:54.30[Zeal]feasible, sensible, proposed. you don't need to like it.
15:54.41Kirkburnhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Category:User:Kirkburn%27s_User_Pages :)
15:55.00Adysmm kirk
15:55.10Adysyou should merge Kirkburns graphics and kirkburns user pages imo
15:55.45TepetkhetHow about the bloodless lions in Hillsbrad?
15:55.49TepetkhetMy personal favourite.
15:56.06equiraptorMeh, their blood spilled on the ground and wasn't usable.
15:56.10TepetkhetI guess I just stabbed them so badly that they immediately became exsanguinated.
15:56.28equiraptorI just think the zhevra quest should ask for a lot more hooves and a lot more should drop per zhevra.
15:56.31TepetkhetAnd it evaporated on the ground.
15:56.42equiraptorWell, they may need uncontaminated blood.
15:56.46ApollozeusTepetkhet
15:56.53Apollozeusmaybe they have got some type of blood disease
15:56.54Apollozeus:p
15:56.57Tepetkhetheh
15:56.58Hobinheimuh hello affliction warlock dot dot love
15:57.06TepetkhetBlood-eating virus?
15:57.08Tepetkheteww
15:57.10Hobinheimhacking things is so primitive. unless you're referring to my one handed sword
15:57.22TepetkhetYeah, I can see how my fellow Forsaken would want those.
15:57.27*** join/#wowwiki Gryphen (n=gryphon@mail.alexdevco.com)
15:57.27*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Gryphen] by ChanServ
15:57.34Adysello gryph
15:57.41TepetkhetSo back to mediawonky
15:57.45Gryphenmorn
15:58.02TepetkhetWhy the crap is it insisting on making every few links broken??
15:58.15Hobinheimanybody have any wiki plug-ins or something
15:58.19Hobinheimthat makes it easier to track... bad edits?
16:00.05mahtovhob, what sword do you use?
16:00.19TepetkhetThe Hungering Cold.
16:01.27Kirkburnhttp://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Administrators :P
16:01.48Adysaw sexy icon
16:03.40Hobinheimsomething lame
16:03.55Hobinheimi want the epic one forged by blacksmiths
16:04.02Hobinheimspell edge or mage blade or something
16:05.09Apollozeusjesus
16:05.09Apollozeushttp://www.wowwiki.com/TBC_Recipes
16:05.15Apollozeuswhat freak made this page
16:05.29TeomyroO
16:05.38KirkburnI know
16:05.40KirkburnIt's awful
16:05.44Hobinheimlol
16:05.46Hobinheimnuke it
16:06.37TepetkhetNuke it, DoT it, do whatever de f***.
16:07.05Hobinheimwell it requires finesse
16:07.09Hobinheimyou have to open up with a long cast
16:07.14Hobinheimthen you dot the bitch up
16:07.24Hobinheimand then you use your finishing move
16:07.29Hobinheimc'mon man, finesse
16:07.50Apollozeusalso, wouldn't it be a bit weird to mention jewelcrafting
16:08.00Apollozeusany jewelcrafting recipe is going to be new :/
16:08.07Hobinheimheh
16:08.18HobinheimCategory:STUFF THAT'S NEW
16:08.24TepetkhetMore DoTs!  More DoTs!  Okay, stop DoTs.
16:08.25Hobinheimlol like category added content
16:08.28Hobinheimthat one is a bit rough
16:08.34HobinheimMINUS FIFTY DKP
16:09.09TepetkhetOnly if he were female.
16:09.11TepetkhetAnd not male.
16:09.27TepetkhetOr maybe he just sounds a little girly...
16:12.34*** join/#wowwiki extigy (i=extigy@host46-135.pppoe.inetcomm.ru)
16:15.44Hobinheimhttp://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=214762&cid=17443602
16:16.24Hobinheim"i've changed the article from 'thrall is a smelly poopoo head' to 'thrall possesses a strong odor' that's npov rite guyz?
16:16.47Kirkburnhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Recentchanges :P
16:16.50Teomyrrofl
16:17.13Teomyryay kirk :D
16:17.38Hobinheimlol you have access to do that?
16:17.46Hobinheimkirk likes showing off =P
16:17.53Hobinheimoh and doesn't like adding people to their facebook
16:18.07Kirkburnhehe
16:18.46Hobinheimdon't you have like... a life outside of wowwiki?
16:18.54Hobinheimor are you permanently stationed here while away from uni
16:19.14Hobinheimps in my country we call it college. just a fast fact =P
16:23.41TepetkhetAdys: That box you had me uncheck just changed what the edit link looks like.
16:23.52TepetkhetInstead of being red, it now has a red ? after it.
16:23.56Adysheh
16:24.00TepetkhetFunctionality is still the same.
16:24.21TepetkhetIt refuses to link the page.  I can go in a browser to the Test_four page and it exists.
16:24.39TepetkhetIf I remove [[Test ten]] from the page, all links function properly.
16:24.45TepetkhetI add a 10th link, and it breaks again.
16:24.51TeomyroO
16:24.55Teomyrwhich page?
16:25.16amroTepetkhet: can you pastebin your markup? this is confusing
16:28.31TepetkhetIt's very very simple.
16:28.37TepetkhetI have a page that consists of...
16:28.50Tepetkhet<h2>Broken Link testing</h2>
16:28.54Tepetkhet[[Test one]]
16:28.58Tepetkhet[[Test two]]
16:28.58Tepetkhetetc
16:29.10TepetkhetI go all the way down to [[Test nine]] and all is well.
16:29.45KirkburnK, more done: http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Recentchanges
16:30.21Hobinheimdo we have access to other mediawiki pages
16:30.22TepetkhetI click on the [[test]] links and they open a basic page.
16:30.27TepetkhetIt's fine and dandy.
16:30.44Hobinheimlike were we only recently given access to the namespace or no?
16:31.02TepetkhetI add [[Test ten]] and suddenly, [[Test four]] and [[Test ten]] are broken and just take me to an edit link.
16:31.06KirkburnYes, lots of access to the mediawiki pages
16:33.34amrobut before that, what does clicking on Test four do?
16:35.11TepetkhetBefore that, clicking on [[Test four]] takes me to a normal page with "Test four" at the top just like all the other links.
16:35.11*** part/#wowwiki Hobinheim (n=meatwad@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
16:35.11TepetkhetExactly like [[Test one]]
16:35.11Tepetkhetetc
16:35.12TepetkhetAnd I take out the [[Test ten]] link and it's all back to normal.
16:36.02TepetkhetAdd a tenth link, it breaks [[Test four]] and the tenth link again.
16:36.40Teomyrstrange
16:36.56Tepetkhetyeah
16:36.57Teomyron wowwiki or where?
16:37.00TepetkhetAnd it's not just the page.
16:37.11TepetkhetOh, it's on a private mediawiki site.
16:37.43Teomyrcan't verify it on wowwiki or my private one
16:37.55Teomyrmediawiki version 1.7.1
16:49.55KirkburnAlso updated: http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Upload
16:50.27*** join/#wowwiki Hobinheim (n=meatwad@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
16:50.27*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Hobinheim] by ChanServ
16:50.35Hobinheimdid we ever find out what happened yesterday
16:51.03KirkburnThat the wiki was down?
16:51.18Hobinheimyeah
16:51.19KirkburnI'm sure Rustak knows, he fixed it :)
16:51.25Hobinheimare we just so popular =)
16:51.34Hobinheimugh that sounds so mystical. "he fixed it" =/
16:52.10KirkburnI haven't asked how :P
16:52.25KirkburnLookit, Hob :) http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Upload
16:52.58KirkburnI love the 'new-style' tables
16:53.58Hobinheimdid rutsak do things besides the icon?
16:54.17Apollozeushe promised to implement a new CSS
16:58.19[Zeal]stupid tables ¬_¬
16:58.37Hobinheimit's a little crowded
16:59.07Apollozeusthe blue box disappears behind the white box
16:59.08ApollozeusD:
16:59.14Apollozeusat least, in Firefox it does
17:00.50KirkburnApollozeus, at really low res?
17:00.52KirkburnFF2?
17:01.18[Zeal]white box?
17:01.38[Zeal]need min-width on the site >_<
17:03.05Hobinheimare you like a min-width champion or something
17:03.20Hobinheimbtw was i dreaming last night or do priests really have champion spells in tbc?
17:04.54[Zeal]no.. i just care a great deal about web design.
17:07.19TepetkhetWhat do you usually set min-width to?
17:08.32[Zeal]erm.. usually the high level container, anything that is layout specific (bordered/bg coloured containers)
17:08.40[Zeal]*highest level container
17:08.49TepetkhetI've got a 3-column site with fixed outer columns and a fluid centre column.
17:09.13Hobinheimso if you could quickly outline, what would be the benefit of setting a minimum width to something
17:09.36TepetkhetAnd I noticed if I play around and resize it, the center column will end up getting horribly mangled if I resize it too far down.
17:09.37[Zeal]to prevent overflow
17:09.52TepetkhetSo I'm guessing a min-width would prevent that.
17:10.13[Zeal]depending on how you've done it, probably Tepetkhet
17:10.29KirkburnAgreed, we need a min-width (note for vlad_)
17:10.48TepetkhetI've done it in a crappy "Up until a month or two ago, I only ever used <br> and <center> for my fancy HTML stuff".
17:11.04Tepetkheter, +"sort of way" on the end there.
17:11.14TepetkhetBut it validates.
17:11.27TepetkhetAnd should be compatible with all major browsers/platforms.
17:12.08[Zeal]someone else will have to remind me, was center onyl depreciated or has it been completely removed in xhtml? :p
17:12.10Kirkburnheh
17:12.26KirkburnIt's probably still in XHTML 1.1 Transitional
17:12.37Kirkburn1.0, even?
17:12.48[Zeal]kk
17:12.55[Zeal]probably out in 1.1 though.
17:13.09KirkburnDeprecated though, and yeah I doubt it's in 1.1
17:13.09Patrigan-Syldracool
17:13.15Patrigan-Syldraa goblin on the recently changed
17:13.20Kirkburn=)
17:13.29KirkburnI thought it would spruce it up :P
17:13.52Patrigan-Syldrawhat happened with many of those tables?
17:14.11KirkburnSee, Tepetkhet, it's all spans divs and styles these days :P
17:14.15KirkburnWhat do you mean what happened?
17:14.36Patrigan-Syldrarecent changes
17:14.50Patrigan-Syldrathe blue table thingy (the box >.> but hey for me that's a tablee >.>)
17:16.21[Zeal]it is table
17:16.29[Zeal]which bugs me
17:17.23Adyswhats the addon to easily report bots?
17:17.30Adysima get it
17:17.53Hobinheimyou can make reporting people faster than clicking that stupid question mark?
17:18.14Adysyeah theres an addon /report playername
17:18.20Adysand it auto report as bot etc
17:18.23Tekkubyea there's one that monitors chat and can autofill the info in the ticket
17:19.05Kirkburn[Zeal], why is it a problem that it's a table? It's hard to create that with divs
17:19.20Tekkubah yes, good ol spam...
17:19.36TekkubI'm so gonna open a message from a random name with the subject "mortar rectal"
17:19.43Adyshttp://www.wowwiki.com/Reciped_introduced_by_The_Burning_Crusade
17:19.45Adyswth
17:19.48KirkburnI know tables should only be used for data, but in thise case, I'm not creating a crazy div for no reason :P
17:20.23Gryphensome people are div junkies
17:20.26KirkburnI hate http://www.wowwiki.com/Recipes_introduced_by_The_Burning_Crusade anyway
17:20.39Hobinheimthat should eventually not exist
17:20.41Hobinheimi'm making a todo
17:20.42Tekkubyea half a dozen external links...
17:20.44TekkubBALETED!
17:20.54Kirkburn[Zeal], if it makes you feel better, I did try a div first, but it was awful :P
17:21.23[Zeal]++F
17:21.27Tekkubokey... I'm afraid to try this lemon drop martini thing
17:21.38TekkubI think it's cause the alchy is too strong
17:21.46TekkubI can smell it from a foot away
17:22.06Tekkubgah!
17:22.10Tekkubit's aweful
17:22.20Tekkubgag me with spoon!
17:22.38Hobinheimman you guys deleted my garchuk pages
17:22.42Tekkubokey I need a big ol glass of Mudslide to counter this
17:22.52Gryphenhehe it's 9:20am here, little early for alchahol speak
17:23.05Gryphen-h
17:23.07Tekkubit's 11am here
17:23.15Tekkubbet... I've already put in 8hr of work
17:23.16Grypheno.O
17:23.22Tekkubso it's effectivly my evening
17:23.50TekkubI'm winding down for bed, waiting on UPS to deliver my computer junkie nerd crack
17:23.58KirkburnHobinheim, garchuk?
17:24.06TekkubI mean, RAM
17:24.17Tekkubmust have my fix!
17:24.55Hobinheimkirk: n/m fixed
17:25.00Hobinheimi can't spell, apparently
17:25.11Kirkburnlol
17:25.28KirkburnAdys, I don't think the plural-singular redirect need deleting
17:25.32Hobinheimgarchuk, potatoe, w/e
17:25.38Kirkburn(nor misspellings like that, tbh)
17:25.41[Zeal]anyways, if you missed that "double plus fail" can make that using correct markup easily tbh : /
17:25.48[Zeal]*you can
17:26.03AdysKirkburn: If the pages are new I dont see a reason to have typos in title
17:26.18KirkburnK, but for the thunder lizards ones
17:26.52Adysmm, I dont see the use either if they are unused, Ill undelete them if you feel they are needed tho
17:27.46KirkburnDone already. Some people navigate by typing names, y'see
17:28.07Adysso do I :P thats why I leave things like Thunder Lizard
17:28.14Kirkburn=)
17:28.43Adysbut if every kind of mob had 3-4 redirects for it i dont see the point
17:29.01[Zeal]i wish %3A was translated.. apprently doesn't get decoded by mediwiki :s
17:29.06KirkburnThe redirects don't show up anywhere apart from the redirect list afaik
17:29.13Gryphennot a problem that the redirects are there though
17:29.18[Zeal]i take that back
17:29.19KirkburnDo you guys want to know the secret of how I do the mediawiki page changes? ;)
17:29.27[Zeal]has the software been update too then?
17:29.48KirkburnNot yet
17:29.51Hobinheimi think recent changes exposes your "secret"
17:29.54Tekkubmudslides >> sex
17:30.02KirkburnAh, but not how I get there =)
17:30.17KirkburnTekkub, both together?
17:30.30Tekkubat the sime time... no
17:30.45Tekkubbut now, mudslide induced drunken sex...
17:30.46TepetkhetKirkburn: I know.  I'm trying to learn how to use the divs and spans and stuff.  I think I've made amazing progress, but shrug*
17:30.46Hobinheimdid you know there's kit kat banana in japan. the more you know
17:30.49Tepetkheter *shrug*
17:30.52[Zeal]thats odd.. before i was away %3A didnt work for : :s
17:31.39[Zeal]means i can go back to navigating with "ww: <namespace><pagename>" :)
17:31.48KirkburnTepetkhet, cool, keep at it :D
17:32.21KirkburnTekkub, the problem there is that you might forget it happened! :?
17:32.52Tekkubpfft, details
17:33.13Tekkubwhen you wake up and you ass hurts more than your head, perhaps it's best you not remember
17:35.05Hobinheim....
17:35.08KirkburnApollozeus, any progress on IRC icon? :P
17:35.16Hobinheimtekkub had a really good time, even if he can't remember it
17:35.54*** join/#wowwiki extigy (i=extigy@host46-135.pppoe.inetcomm.ru)
17:36.21ApollozeusKirkburn, to answer your first question
17:36.31ApollozeusI'm using 1024x768
17:36.59Apollozeusto answer your second question, I'll have to find will to recreate it from scratch
17:37.09ApollozeusI was stupid enough to not save the PSD
17:37.20Hobinheimcan someone cut a favicon
17:37.27Hobinheimout of the top left icon or the wowwiki W
17:37.49KirkburnYup, you are indeed a silly Apollo :P
17:37.56Apollozeusyeah D:
17:38.05KirkburnYeah, someone make a favicon :)
17:38.09Apollozeusalso
17:38.22Apollozeusmaybe we should consider remaking the wowwiki logo spelled out
17:38.32Hobinheimmy todolist is long =(
17:38.35Apollozeusit doesn't quite flow with the icon in the upper left corner
17:38.37Hobinheimwhat do you mean, we don't have the PSD?
17:38.45[Zeal]'cut out' ?
17:38.54KirkburnI might see about doing a favicon later then
17:38.59ApollozeusHobinheim, do you know anything about photoshop?
17:39.01Gryphenwowwiki logo speleed out got voted out
17:39.07Gryphenspelled*
17:39.07Hobinheimi know a bunch but i'm at work right now what's up
17:39.11Apollozeusgryphen
17:39.12KirkburnHobinheim, for http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Wowwikiirc.png
17:39.18ApollozeusI mean the one on the mainpage
17:39.24[Zeal]i liek this logo, but i don't like it with this skin
17:39.27Hobinheimugh
17:39.27Apollozeusits style should be identical to the one in the corner
17:39.34Gryphenah
17:39.50KirkburnI like it as it is :<
17:39.54Hobinheimwait don't throw away the existing one, i like it =)
17:39.56GryphenAgreed, I never really like the WoW block style
17:39.57[Zeal]does anyone have the warcraft logo font? :S
17:40.02KirkburnIconzz! http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:About
17:40.10Hobinheimthat irc icon is a little rough
17:40.14Hobinheimvery tall
17:40.31KirkburnFor http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:IRC
17:40.47KirkburnThe WoWWiki text was custom made by Mikk
17:41.28KirkburnTook a loong time, it did. It's fully vector, etc
17:41.35[Zeal]ah i see
17:41.35Hobinheimhow did this channel come to be?
17:42.07[Zeal]i did rip the fonts from that wow logo site at some point.. lost though.
17:42.24[Zeal]hopefully, now that he's got it vectored, he could really put in into a font.
17:42.27KirkburnMikk started it up about two weeks ago
17:42.34Gryphenthe channel was suggested a long time ago, but recently just came about
17:42.44Hobinheimwhat goes intocreating a channel
17:42.51Hobinheimand how to infobot and chanserv come to be
17:42.59Gryphen/join #newchannelname
17:43.03KirkburnNot too much, just have to request it from freenode people
17:43.12Gryphenif you are the first there, you are the channel owner
17:43.15Hobinheimthere's no policy on like what chatrooms you're allowed to have?
17:43.16Gryphenand you can register it
17:43.19Gryphenno
17:43.23Kirkburninfobot *should* be purl, but purl is too busy :P
17:43.25infobotKirkburn: what are you talking about?
17:43.27Hobinheim<PROTECTED>
17:43.41Kirkburninfobot, you, I'm talking about you
17:44.22Kirkburninfobot, hug infobot
17:44.24infobotACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs infobot
17:44.24Gryphen/list will give you a list of the channels on the network
17:45.03KirkburnI'm not sure that infobot should be an op, but nvm :P
17:45.09Tepetkhetheh
17:45.16[Zeal]probably is a policy along the lines of "no warez, pedophilia, hacking etc"
17:45.45KirkburnYes, if you try and create certain channels it will prevent you
17:46.04Kirkburnfreenode is supposed be generally used for open-source projects
17:46.04Hobinheiminfobot, what is love
17:46.06infobotI think you lost me on that one, Hobinheim
17:46.12Hobinheimi'm sorry infobot
17:46.19Gryphenhttp://freenode.net/policy.shtml
17:46.34Hobinheiminfobot, weather
17:46.37Kirkburn#wikipedia is hosted here
17:46.51Hobinheimarggg wikipedia :shakefist:
17:47.19Apollozeuslol
17:47.25Apollozeusyou didn't know that?
17:47.46[Zeal]i didn't
17:47.50KirkburnStrangely the channel has no Ops
17:47.56ApollozeusKirkburn
17:48.00Apollozeusthey're all "hiding"
17:48.00KirkburnApollozeus,
17:48.07Apollozeusthey only op themselves when trouble arises
17:48.08KirkburnWhy?
17:48.10KirkburnAh
17:48.16*** join/#wowwiki extigy_ (n=extigy@host45-28.pppoe.inetcomm.ru)
17:48.17Apollozeusto make the users feel more comfortable or something
17:48.19Apollozeus:/
17:48.32[Zeal]yuup, they rc patrol the chat, and revert what people type sometimes >_>
17:48.38KirkburnI find that odd, but their choice
17:48.43Apollozeusyup
17:48.50[Zeal]lol
17:48.58Apollozeusthey've also got a vandalism channel
17:49.06Apollozeusany suspicious edits are posted there
17:49.12Apollozeusso that people can revert hem asap
17:49.21Apollozeusall hardcoded
17:50.26Kirkburnwow
17:50.56KirkburnAny other pages people think need icons? :)
17:52.15[Zeal]anyways, finished lord of the clans yesterday, rise of the horde arrived today :)
17:53.12Apollozeusoh man
17:53.16Apollozeusthis is gonna be so fun
17:53.20Apollozeusjust installed warcraft I
17:53.21[Zeal]loved the shaman info and gave me even more respect of thrall
17:53.25Patrigan-Syldradid we switch to that new icon system?
17:53.26Apollozeushaven't played that in over 8 years
17:53.42[Zeal]does that even work as starndard Apollozeus? :S
17:53.51Apollozeus[Zeal], probably not
17:53.53Apollozeusbut!
17:53.55Apollozeusthere's dosbox
17:54.25[Zeal]i need to borrow wc2, and get hold of wc2 tbh..
17:54.33[Zeal]*of wc1
17:55.54[Zeal]oo, contains ghostlands excerpt
17:56.47KirkburnLol, look at the WoWWiki thumbnail: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=www.wowwiki.com
17:56.58KirkburnThey've got the drunken one ;)
17:57.22Apollozeuswill change in a few days
17:57.22Apollozeus;p
17:57.43KirkburnGlad to see the ranking rose a bit
17:58.18Apollozeusit will continue rising until after a few weeks of release of TBC
17:58.34Hobinheimyeah i was looking at that today
17:58.36Apollozeusnew quests and stuff, people will search for it
17:58.41Hobinheimi feel so special, helping out with a popular internet site
17:58.46Patrigan-Syldralol
17:58.48Apollozeuslol :P
17:58.52Patrigan-SyldraI don't feel special or something
17:58.57Patrigan-SyldraI just do it, because it has to be done
17:59.08Patrigan-Syldraand because the team working on it is just great to work with
18:01.20KirkburnPatrigan-Syldra, did the 'advertising' thing ever go anywhere?
18:01.39Patrigan-Syldrayeah, but I got kind of slurped up XD
18:01.45Patrigan-Syldrawill finish it soon :)
18:01.53Patrigan-Syldrabut holiday's took more of my time than I expected >.>
18:03.19Kirkburnnp :)
18:04.06Patrigan-Syldramyteah, I had it finished, but then I decided to shift focus more onto the Server and guild related stuff
18:04.24KirkburnCool
18:04.44KirkburnAgain, anyone? http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:News
18:05.50Patrigan-SyldraPerhaps we should wait untill a week before BC to show them that we have many of the BC stuff, straight hot from BC itself...
18:06.04Patrigan-Syldrabut I was wondering if we have anything to offer BC related (or a lot to offer BC related)
18:06.08Patrigan-Syldrabrb food
18:07.57KirkburnWe have a large amount of BC stuff aready
18:08.10KirkburnExpecially in relation to instances and quests
18:08.16Kirkburn*especially
18:08.29KirkburnOh, and as a tourist guide :P
18:08.40KirkburnNot so much on the NPCs and items yet, however
18:10.44Hobinheimanime fans, anyone?
18:10.54Hobinheimdoes hobinheim sound german?
18:11.33Hobinheimoh my god someone's irc log is on the internets wtf
18:12.30Gryphenlots are
18:13.29Hobinheimwhat i say here isn't safe =(
18:13.30Gryphenhttp://purl.rikers.org/%23wowwiki/20070102.html.gz
18:13.53Hobinheimwow how did you find that, that's (almost) the one i was looking at
18:14.04Gryphenits well known for this network
18:14.27Hobinheimjerks....
18:14.46Gryphenpurl/infobot thing
18:14.52Grypheni log all my irc sessions
18:15.25Gryphenmy log files are 90 megs just here at work
18:17.06KirkburnLol, didn't realise it was logging
18:17.23Gryphenpurl/infobot log
18:18.51ApollozeusI deleted my log files some time ago
18:18.58Apollozeusit was like.. 100 mb
18:19.02Gryphenso you dont mind if anyone can join the channel and see what you say Hobinheim but you care later?
18:19.43Apollozeuswhy would outsiders care to take a look in logs to see what random people in random irc channels say?
18:19.50Gryphennot sure how big my home logs are, been saving em for years for no realy reason other than the occasional search
18:20.15Kirkburnaww, infobot doesn't record some of its own messages
18:20.34Grypheni search rikers for past discussions when i dont have access to my logs
18:20.43Gryphenplus i can look up what was said when i wasnt here
18:22.25[Zeal]ffs.. email alerts on other's talk pages.. stupid bug.
18:22.26Hobinheimcreepy...
18:23.50Kirkburn[Zeal], yeah
18:25.29Gryphenyou can do stats with logs too http://www.google.com/search?q=allintitle%3Acreated+with+mircstats
18:25.43Gryphenlots of fun things to do when you logs lots of stuff :)
18:25.52Grypheni save everything
18:25.53Gryphenheh
18:30.38KirkburnLol, I didn't realise the pratchett server really is named after Pterry
18:31.09Kirkburn(irc server)
18:34.50[Zeal]did you watch hogfather btw Kirkburn?
18:34.55Kirkburnyup
18:35.53Tekkubgod damnit UPS
18:35.55KirkburnI've got the calendar with Terry in costume saying "So it's really happening then?" :)
18:35.59TekkubI'm getting tired bishies
18:36.06KirkburnTekkub, ?
18:36.13Tekkubwaiting on RAM
18:36.55*** join/#wowwiki dok3Dal (n=dok@AStrasbourg-251-1-78-121.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr)
18:37.05Tekkubthe _ONLY_ good thing about AR
18:37.13TekkubI order from NewEgg...
18:37.28Tekkubshipped last night at 2000 from TN
18:37.33Tekkubwas in town at 0600
18:44.37Kirkburn:(
18:45.00KirkburnGo get it from them? :P
18:49.34KirkburnI've made a favicon
18:49.50Hobinheimwhere
18:49.59Hobinheimseriously you don't do anything besides wowwiki?
18:50.52Kirkburnhttp://www.kirkburn.eu/Hosted/favicon.ico
18:51.22Hobinheim=/
18:51.49Hobinheimcould you make it transparent
18:51.49Hobinheimdid you just scale it down
18:51.49KirkburnNot proper transparency
18:51.59KirkburnYes, I just scaled it down
18:52.12Tekkubfuck it
18:52.22Tekkubif they not here by 1 Imma gonna couchnap
18:52.31KirkburnCan't do proper transparency, it would either look crap against dark bgs or light bgs
18:53.00Hobinheimlol tek dayjob much?
18:53.12Tekkubmeh?
18:54.16Kirkburn(posting here as well as PM: vlad_, favicon here if you like : http://www.kirkburn.eu/Hosted/favicon.ico)
18:55.01Teomyrweb browsers are strange
18:55.09Tekkubvlad_, I expect to be able to edit CSS in a wiki page when I get up
18:55.12Grypheni have lots of favicons that arent square
18:55.30Tekkubdon't worry, once UPS get here that gives you a good 12-14 hours to work on it
18:55.31Gryphenjust depends how much work you put into it
18:55.36Teomyrusing an image as a background of a div changes its positioning oO
18:57.52[Zeal]you should be able to do transparency fine in an ico :s
18:58.21[Zeal]though i'm not sure if favicon can have a full alpha channel.
18:58.57KirkburnExactly
18:59.06KirkburnWithout full alpha that icon will look shite :P
18:59.28[Zeal]oh? makes me think the icon was a poor choice for a favion ;)
18:59.43KirkburnNot exactly a great deal of choice =)
19:00.08amroKirkburn: what do you use to edit wiki pages?
19:00.11KirkburnHere's a PNG transparecy version: http://www.kirkburn.eu/Hosted/WoWWiki_icon_stamp_PNG.png
19:00.13KirkburnIE7
19:00.18Kirkburnbrb, dinner
19:01.09amroi need something with syntax highlighting. and search and replace. and, well, any decent editor will do
19:01.56Tepetkhetvi has search and replace...
19:01.58Hobinheimwho the heck is vlad
19:02.09TepetkhetBut not terribly friendly.
19:02.12amroi don't like vi.
19:02.24Tepetkhetemacs will probably do it.
19:02.32[Zeal]yeah, i'd probable add a black glow/dropshadow : /
19:02.32TepetkhetRumour has it emacs will even make cookies.
19:02.35amroi dont like emacs either heh
19:02.41Adyshttp://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys/JPG
19:02.43amrobut i dont think it has mediawiki markup
19:02.45Adysgosh
19:02.47Hobinheimyeah an outline on the icon would be super
19:02.47amrowhich is what im looking for
19:02.47Tepetkhetpico!
19:02.48Tepetkhetheh
19:03.00[Zeal]*probably
19:03.02amronano > pico
19:03.28amroi use Kate, but the mediawiki markup breaks on apostrophes
19:03.29TepetkhetPerhaps vim?
19:03.55KirkburnHobinheim, vlad_ = Rustak
19:04.23[Zeal]don't see why you need one :s
19:04.39[Zeal]and that page is painfall adys :p
19:04.48Adysaye
19:05.03Adyswill help to keep track of jpg icons
19:05.08Adysdont see why i didnt make it earlier
19:05.48[Zeal]huh?
19:05.59Adysall blue links need to go red :)
19:06.32[Zeal]tell you what would be even batter, if all images were added to worthwhile categories >_>
19:06.35amroit seems vim does have support for mediawiki
19:07.48[Zeal]anyways.. i'm taking a break from wowwiki until i see feedback on my proposal (rejection of otherwise), or the end of this month.
19:13.17TepetkhetYay
19:17.52*** join/#wowwiki MentalPower|Code (i=chatzill@host-70-45-116-177.onelinkpr.net)
19:19.03*** join/#wowwiki Kalagaraz (i=Kalagara@c-71-59-55-174.hsd1.ga.comcast.net)
19:25.06Patrigan-Syldra[zeal] you actually expect me to read the whole proposal!!!?
19:25.29Patrigan-SyldraBLASPHEMY! (cool word huh?)
19:26.25TeomyrxD
19:34.01*** join/#wowwiki MentalPower|Code (i=chatzill@host-70-45-116-177.onelinkpr.net)
19:44.50Patrigan-Syldrahmmmm...
19:45.05Patrigan-SyldraIs it wrong of me to act like a little child for a few sec?
19:45.32KirkburnPatrigan-Syldra, well, what kind of child? :P
19:45.46amroTepetkhet: how would that help? =p
19:45.56KirkburnHere, you forgot these =)
19:46.14Patrigan-Syldrawell, you know the horny 12 year old swede who can not believe that females hang around on the internet...
19:46.52Patrigan-Syldrahmmm should watch out with the swede, befor epeople accuse me of recism (which this clearly is an act of :o)
19:47.55Patrigan-Syldrasay, why haven't we aproved [zeal]'s proposal?
19:48.24Patrigan-Syldrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Proposals/Format that's the one I suppose?
19:49.59TepetkhetWho's the horny 12 year old Swede?
19:50.22Patrigan-Syldranvm that
19:50.26Patrigan-Syldrajust a silly joke :p
19:50.50Patrigan-Syldraand I'm not 100% healthy atm, so my humor (and not humour) can be quite low at these times
19:50.58Patrigan-Syldra[zeal]
19:51.01Patrigan-Syldra[zeal]
19:51.12Patrigan-Syldrayou be here, mon?
19:51.14TepetkhetOh, Belgium!
19:51.27Patrigan-Syldracool... How did she know, oO
19:51.38mahtovtep... are you going to start speaking in different languages again?
19:51.49Tepetkhetwhois
19:52.01Tepetkhetmahtov: Well, I could.
19:52.04mahtovheh
19:52.06Patrigan-Syldragah >.>
19:52.14mahtovi know
19:52.27Patrigan-Syldrareroute reroute >.> and yet...
19:52.31mahtovyou find all these people from quite random countries and start conversing with them lol
19:52.43TepetkhetAnd poor Patrick here could laugh at my rusty French.
19:53.16Patrigan-Syldranah, Flemmish side here
19:53.17Patrigan-Syldraluckily
19:53.19mahtovour MT is french... we sometimes make him countdown in french before a boss pull
19:53.21Patrigan-SyldraI fail at french
19:53.23TepetkhetAt least my French is better than my German...and I know no Dutch.
19:53.31TepetkhetOh, wait.
19:53.34TepetkhetI know one phrase.
19:53.56Patrigan-SyldraDutch is cool imo
19:53.59Patrigan-Syldrayou should learn it
19:54.19TepetkhetIk hou van je (no, not really).
19:54.31Tepetkhetje, jou ?
19:54.39TepetkhetCan't remember.
19:55.19mahtovi uh... know a very little bit of spanish
19:55.36mahtovi can say "the girl is good" in latin...
19:55.41Tepetkhethahaha
19:55.46mahtovand i can butcher "my name is..." in french
19:55.53*** join/#wowwiki Aestus (n=none@168.157.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com)
19:55.59Patrigan-Syldraboth btw
19:55.59mahtovmy sister took latin in high school
19:56.01Patrigan-Syldraje or jou
19:56.05Patrigan-Syldradoesn't really matter
19:56.07mahtovfor 4 years she learned "the girl is good"
19:56.08Patrigan-SyldraI took Latin at school
19:56.22Patrigan-SyldraAnd I still can't talk it oO
19:56.35Tepetkhethahaha
19:56.37mahtovwhich is probably good since its dead :-P
19:56.39Tepetkhetwell
19:56.45[zeal]briefly, yes.
19:57.00TepetkhetI know some French...a few words in German, some phrases in Danish and Japanese...
19:57.07TepetkhetI can swear pretty fluently in Arabic.
19:57.09Patrigan-Syldrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Zeal/Sandbox/Proposals/Format#Policy_ratification_vote
19:57.10mahtovlol
19:57.14Patrigan-Syldraright policy?
19:57.28TepetkhetAnd I think I know a couple words in Spanish.
19:57.48Patrigan-Syldrabut what's the use of knowing "a couple words"?
19:57.48mahtovi took 4 years of spanish in school
19:57.53[zeal]indeed, thanks. though do feel free to comment on what details you were refering to.
19:57.59TepetkhetWe have several Mexicans in our guild.
19:57.59mahtovsometimes those few words are useful
19:58.01Patrigan-Syldranah, later
19:58.06[zeal]kk :p
19:58.09Patrigan-Syldraneed to study it more specifically for it
19:58.13TepetkhetHUEVOS!
19:58.14Patrigan-Syldrathe general idea is great
19:58.31mahtovthe most useless phrase i remember is "como se dice <insert word here>"
19:58.37Kirkburn[zeal], in general I support the proposal, but it will need tweaks
19:58.43Patrigan-Syldrai'd rather not have a big change like this, which is in general rather important, to lie for a loong time
19:59.01mahtov"how do you say <insert word in another language>"
19:59.18Patrigan-SyldraI'm also very pro of the Set: and the Card: namespaces, but that might be because it's mostly my field of work
19:59.38Kirkburn[zeal], can I suggest some changes?
19:59.44[zeal]i know it needs tweaks, i've already seen things i would change now i've gone back through it after having doen those test pages for npc, item, user, talk, guild, realm, battlegroup etc.
19:59.48Patrigan-Syldraas long as you know english, you can alwaus win
19:59.53[zeal]sure, though stick them in the comments, please :P
19:59.57Kirkburnk
19:59.58Patrigan-SyldraXD
20:00.05Patrigan-SyldraWork a little bit; lazy [zeal]
20:00.21TepetkhetLos pantalones de mi madre son muy bonitos.
20:00.31mahtovheh
20:00.37mahtovtep's mom has pretty pants
20:00.47TepetkhetYup.
20:00.52TepetkhetShe has fancypants.
20:01.03Patrigan-SyldraoO
20:01.10[zeal]and yeah, thats soemthing that's bothering me patrigan, the logner this sits, the harder it gets to implement, and ultimately the less i care to trying to brign about the changes.
20:01.13Patrigan-Syldraso that would mean she's like hot? oO
20:01.25mahtovwhen i was in my 2nd year of spanish, we to do an oral presentation of sorts
20:01.26Patrigan-Syldraso Kirkburn
20:01.29Patrigan-Syldraadd your yes vote
20:01.34Patrigan-Syldraand we're winnign 3-0
20:01.34mahtovessentially we had to describe our outfit in spanish
20:01.44Tepetkhet<PROTECTED>
20:01.45Patrigan-Syldraand then be silent about it for 7 days$
20:01.45mahtovso this kid was wearing board shorts
20:02.01Patrigan-Syldrain 7 days we cna then enforce it
20:02.03mahtovhe took the word for board and the word for shorts... put them together and you get the word for loin cloth
20:02.06Patrigan-Syldraand we are all happy
20:02.09[zeal]http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Quality though i'd clean that up for use with or without my proposed changes. :p
20:02.11Tepetkhethahaha
20:02.13[zeal]*thought
20:02.14Patrigan-Syldra(god I love flawed democracy)
20:02.14TepetkhetLoin cloth.
20:02.51mahtovthese were prepared speeches so the teacher had time to correct him
20:02.57mahtovnot that any of us would know the difference
20:03.54mahtovthat year was awesome though.  i listened on mondays, i slept tuesdays - fridays
20:04.06mahtovthe teacher was ok with that so long as i did well on the tests
20:04.31Patrigan-SyldraoO
20:05.04Patrigan-Syldrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/Create_a_DKP what's up with the last line in that? oO "Good Luck! Nimloth @ Tuesday, May 9, 2006"
20:05.25Patrigan-Syldraadd to that, the page is a brainkiller XD
20:05.39Apollozeuscreate a dkp
20:05.48Patrigan-Syldrayup
20:05.49Apollozeuseven the title is gramatically incorrect
20:05.53Patrigan-Syldranot THE DKP
20:05.54amroSUCCESS!
20:05.57Patrigan-Syldrabut a dkp
20:06.03amroI fixed Kate's MediaWiki highlighting
20:06.06amroI rule.
20:06.09Patrigan-Syldragz!
20:06.35[zeal]hm?
20:06.35Apollozeuscreate a dragon kill point
20:06.41foxlitIf you're proposing a policy, shouldn't you do it in WW, and not in User:X/Sandbox/?
20:06.45Apollozeusthat's possible... though not what the author means
20:06.46Apollozeus:p
20:06.54foxlitPeople signing your sandbox is weird. :P
20:07.05mahtovfox, that sounds horribly dirty]
20:07.19Patrigan-SyldraXD
20:07.30Patrigan-Syldrawell foxlit imo it's not important where it si saved...
20:07.41foxlitNo, doesn't ring a bell. The problem is on your side.
20:07.42Kirkburn[zeal], I think the policy is so wide ranging, we can only really concentrate on either Namespaces (preferred) or cats at one time
20:07.46Patrigan-SyldraXD
20:08.00foxlitOh, but it is.
20:08.01KirkburnI don't think the Category system is broken, but namespaces could do with work
20:08.11Patrigan-Syldrahmmm good point in that, however I think the things that he suggest add a lot
20:08.18Patrigan-Syldrait could be seen as a future vote
20:08.19foxlitA vote on User: doesn't look official and shouldn't affect anything outside User: namespace.
20:08.25[zeal]true foxlit, but it was too big to add to a policy discussion page, and contained too many different changes to fit under an existing policy parent. so jsut left it there. plus this way i get emails when people vote/comment :P
20:08.47Patrigan-Syldracan't you just watch the page? oO
20:08.50foxlitAs long as you don't claim it's ratified when you achieve a number of votes.
20:08.50KirkburnThis is only a rough outline proposal anyway
20:09.14[zeal]yeah, but no email alert.. and i'm watching too much to enable it for watching.
20:09.18Kirkburn(at least, that's what I'm viewing it as)
20:09.37[zeal]indeed, it is rough. why i want lots of feedback. i do hoenstly except it to be changed.
20:09.48[zeal]*expect
20:09.59Patrigan-SyldraWell, may I suggest splitting it into 2 proposals?
20:10.16[zeal]if you can think of way, sure.
20:10.18Patrigan-Syldrathe namespaces and later on, when that has been fixed, the categories
20:10.32Patrigan-Syldrathey are not directly linked with eachother anyways
20:10.43Patrigan-Syldrathe namespaces will require a lot less discussion
20:10.55Patrigan-Syldraand I want thos ein rather tomorrow than in a week
20:11.09Patrigan-Syldrawhile the categories are (for me at least) up for more discussion
20:11.29Patrigan-Syldraand imo not as important as namespaces
20:11.56[zeal]my main issue with categories, is they're not being used to their full potential, my issue with article naming and content, is it's stepping on the toes of categories. but yeah, naemsapces can be done first and on its own.
20:12.16Patrigan-SyldraCategories are atm a BIG pile of Chaos
20:12.29Patrigan-Syldraand as you might or might not know by now
20:12.32Patrigan-SyldraI HATE chaos ><
20:12.44[zeal]i'll leave ti as it is for now though, when i get enough votes either way, i'll redo the proposal with changes and split it up. hows that?
20:12.49[zeal]oh, i know :P
20:12.52Patrigan-SyldraoO
20:12.57Patrigan-Syldrawhy not split it right away
20:13.04foxlithttp://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Marn_Thunderhorn
20:13.09foxlitSomeone is overeager :P
20:13.11Patrigan-Syldraso we can start discussing the categories, without delaying the namespaces
20:13.28foxlitTalk is marked vote/closing, page is gone.
20:14.03Patrigan-SyldraXD
20:15.15[zeal]Kirkburn, is * correct usage for comments? not : ?
20:15.27KirkburnHowever you wish
20:15.34[zeal]kk, jsut wondering
20:15.50Patrigan-Syldraeach seperate point should start with a * ad replies on that comment should be done by :
20:15.56Patrigan-Syldrain my oppinion atleast >.>
20:16.23*** join/#wowwiki Hobinheim (i=draco256@dozer.dreamhost.com)
20:16.27Hobinheimtesting...
20:16.40Hobinheimmy home computer dipped out on me so now i'm using bitchx =(
20:16.40Patrigan-Syldranope
20:16.45Patrigan-Syldrayour tests dailed
20:16.48Hobinheimis this hobinheim?
20:16.53Patrigan-Syldrano
20:16.57Patrigan-SyldraoO
20:16.58Hobinheimwho is it?
20:17.13amrodraco256@dozer.dreamhost.com
20:17.19Patrigan-SyldraHobinheim with a capital H
20:17.31Patrigan-Syldraalso known as Mark Canlas
20:19.28amroRC looks like Varghedin's contribution page
20:19.31Hobinheim=(
20:19.41Hobinheimhow'd you find that out
20:19.45Hobinheimmy cover is totally blown
20:19.57Hobinheimoh fuck ouch
20:20.05Hobinheimi don't know how to configure the whois =(
20:20.05Tepetkhetwhois
20:20.07Tepetkhetgeez
20:20.12Patrigan-SyldraWell
20:20.14Hobinheimnot cool
20:20.15amronot whois actually
20:20.21TepetkhetBitchX on a *nix machine?
20:20.21amro[21:16] --> Hobinheim has joined this channel (i=draco256@dozer.dreamhost.com).
20:20.39amroi also see the hostmask if i mouseover your name
20:20.43amroKonversation ftw
20:20.45Hobinheimman that is revealing like way too much about myself...
20:20.47GryphenMark C
20:20.51Hobinheim=(
20:21.02Patrigan-SyldraMr. Canlas
20:21.07Patrigan-Syldrastrange name tbh
20:21.07Adyshttp://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Marn_Thunderhorn whats that?
20:21.15Patrigan-Syldrabut then again Provinciael sucks aswell >.>
20:21.18Hobinheimif i knew how to boot you i would
20:21.28Patrigan-Syldra./kick
20:21.43Patrigan-Syldra./kick #wowwiki Patrigan-Syldra
20:21.46Patrigan-Syldrato be precise
20:21.50Patrigan-Syldrathough...
20:21.56Patrigan-Syldrayou kind of lack the @ atm >.>
20:22.50Hobinheimthis interface is completely foreign to me, i don't know what i'm doing
20:23.09Patrigan-SyldraXD
20:23.26amrolearn slash commands, they're universal
20:23.34Patrigan-Syldraidd
20:23.37Patrigan-Syldratry
20:23.38amroor raw IRC
20:23.40Tepetkhet<PROTECTED>
20:23.44*** join/#wowwiki rex (i=rex@87.72.72.17)
20:23.50rexhi all
20:24.02Hobinheimexit
20:24.07Hobinheimuhh
20:24.09Kalagarazalright since im bored
20:24.14KalagarazDCC SEND SECURITYOVERRIDE
20:24.17Kalagarazpoo
20:24.42rexany one here can help me to get to Astranaar
20:24.55Patrigan-Syldrawhat are your whereabouts?
20:25.06rexwet lands
20:25.11KalagarazOk these two guys /part and /quit were sitting on a boat. /part jumps off, who is left?
20:25.15Patrigan-Syldraouch >.>
20:25.27Tepetkhethahaha
20:25.28Patrigan-Syldralol Kaz XD
20:25.33Patrigan-Syldrathat reminds me
20:25.41TepetkhetType alt-f4 for free pr0n!
20:25.51TepetkhetOr...
20:25.58TepetkhetThe sysop password is +++
20:26.00Patrigan-Syldrablizzard has made a deal with Freenode actually
20:26.08Kalagarazlol people still talking about new years in #2,007
20:26.16Patrigan-Syldrathey are now creating IRC Channels onFreenode
20:26.25TepetkhetSRSLY?
20:26.26Patrigan-Syldraall you have to do is /server yourrealm
20:26.26Gryphenwetlands > boat to darkshore > run south
20:26.56Kalagarazjoin #1,0
20:26.57Kalagarazits cool
20:27.16*** part/#wowwiki Gryphen (n=gryphon@mail.alexdevco.com)
20:27.21Kalagarazbadda bing
20:27.25Patrigan-Syldralol Gryphen xD
20:27.39*** join/#wowwiki Gryphen (n=gryphon@mail.alexdevco.com)
20:27.43Kalagarazwelcome back!
20:27.44Gryphencool, never seen that
20:27.54Kalagarazthis one is the coolest "DCC SEND SECURITYOVERRIDE"
20:28.04Kalagarazpeople on a certain router will instantly disconnect at the mere sight of that
20:28.06Kalagarazand never knew who typed
20:28.13Apollozeuslol, that joke is as old as Rome
20:28.34Gryphenseen the one where you could get norton av to disco you
20:28.50Patrigan-Syldraneed to test that!
20:28.52Patrigan-SyldraDCC SEND SECURITYOVERRIDE
20:28.55Patrigan-Syldrapoo
20:29.01Tepetkhet...
20:29.02KalagarazI already tried :)
20:29.02Patrigan-Syldraoh right...
20:29.11Patrigan-SyldraI don't have any antivirus installed...
20:29.16Kalagarazacctually uyou can type DCC SEND ANYTHINGLONGHERE
20:29.19Kalagarazand it will work
20:29.25Kalagarazjust securityoverride makes you sound like a 1337 haxxor
20:29.29Kalagarazwhen people disconnect
20:29.41Tepetkhetheh
20:29.46Kalagarazsince im bored
20:29.48Patrigan-Syldrathat's all happening somewhere in between my firewalls...
20:29.50Kalagarazgoing to join random channels and type that
20:30.14Patrigan-SyldraCool oO
20:30.18Patrigan-Syldrait actually worked XD
20:30.24Kalagarazok join #ubuntu
20:30.26Kalagarazim fixing to do it
20:30.28Kalagarazand get banned from server
20:30.31Kalagaraz1000 people in there
20:31.10Gryphenhaha
20:31.12amrolawl'
20:31.12Teomyrlmao
20:31.13Patrigan-SyldraI'm gonna try it
20:31.22Patrigan-SyldraLOL XD
20:31.33Patrigan-Syldrakalgaraz XD
20:31.37Tepetkhet*ROFL*
20:32.14Patrigan-Syldra<Seveas> such morons are k-lined automatically
20:32.14Patrigan-Syldra<gnomefreak> ah dcc?
20:32.18Patrigan-SyldraXD
20:32.26Teomyrlol
20:32.46Patrigan-Syldralove it ^^
20:32.48TepetkhetThat needs to be recorded somewhere for posterity.
20:32.52TepetkhetWhat's that one site...
20:32.53Tepetkhetbash?
20:33.05amroyes
20:33.07amroDO IT
20:34.21Gryphen"By massive request, the bash.org quake server now has fully functional forums"  > "We have 19 registered users
20:34.21Gryphen"
20:34.23Gryphenlol
20:35.00Patrigan-Syldraon a more serious note
20:35.01Patrigan-Syldrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/Malorne_Raiment
20:35.10Patrigan-Syldrathe feral set bonus is slightly flawed
20:35.20Patrigan-Syldrabut I can't find where to change them ><
20:35.53Gryphenwhen you edit the page there is a list of templates at the bottom
20:35.55Patrigan-SyldraNVM found it now
20:36.07Patrigan-Syldra100 additional rage
20:36.10Patrigan-Syldraslightly overpowered ^^
20:38.10TepetkhetSomebody else submit it, please.
20:38.13[zeal]Kirkburn, isp?
20:38.16TepetkhetI need to figure out why YET ANOTHER OF MY PAGES has decided to not work right!
20:38.29Kirkburn???
20:38.31TepetkhetIt has the exact same 2 column template as my other pages!
20:38.34TepetkhetWTF??
20:38.43[zeal]what is your isp? P
20:38.52KirkburnWhy? :)
20:39.04[zeal]just wondering. enta? never heard of it :s
20:39.05Patrigan-SyldraTepetkhet you don't ahppen to play a druid on WoW, do you?
20:39.09mahtovlol
20:39.11Patrigan-Syldraperhaps on an RP server? oO
20:39.13*** join/#wowwiki nalioth (i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth)
20:39.18Tepetkhetnope
20:39.27TepetkhetUndead rogue.
20:39.33Kirkburn[zeal], http://www.enta.net/
20:39.46*** join/#wowwiki jrr (i=jrr@208.113.148.15)
20:39.52KirkburnIt's not a real ISP, my real is Freeola, who use sell on enta services I think
20:39.59TepetkhetAlthough I do have a level 16 female Tauren druid...can't stand looking at her Furry self, though.
20:40.04Tepetkhetmeh
20:40.22[zeal]ah, kk
20:40.29jrrit's probably a good sign that you don't enjoy watching female horse humanoids
20:40.38*** join/#wowwiki Johniseq (n=Foulwynd@four.starnet.cz)
20:40.38[zeal]just wondering if bt fixed their fuck up with dcc
20:40.50[zeal]cba to get disconnected to find out, lol
20:40.51Tepetkhetcow
20:41.02Kirkburn[zeal], as much as you say "Part of the proposal is to aid in navigation, so people will be either searching, or navigating to what they want, not typing", it doesn't make it going to happen
20:41.04Patrigan-Syldracows are cute
20:41.04jrrer, yes. cow.
20:41.05TepetkhetI had to stock her up with Deviate fish.
20:41.10Patrigan-SyldraXD
20:41.17jrr=D
20:41.32TepetkhetI wish Horde had another non-Furry race that could be Druid...
20:41.48JohniseqHi, could U plz help me?Is in WoW any island close to Teldrassil?
20:42.03jrrmapwow.com
20:42.09Johniseqty
20:42.13TepetkhetIn spite of my catlike tendancies, I have a strong dislike for Furries.
20:42.25[zeal]well i don't see why people would be typing. i only type when creating or when i already know the page. otherwise i'm searching or (hopelessly) trying to find what i want in categories :P
20:42.27TepetkhetGo figure.
20:42.48[zeal]but, yeah, i don't except people to change their habbits over night.
20:42.55*** join/#wowwiki Foulwynd (n=Foulwynd@four.starnet.cz)
20:43.02KirkburnDon't _expect_ them to change at all :P
20:43.19[zeal]i except thme to change to whats easier for them
20:43.28[zeal]key is making other methods easier
20:43.43[zeal]*expect
20:43.44[zeal]ffs
20:43.52KirkburnOoh, you reminded me of something
20:44.10[zeal]hope it was good, lol.
20:44.19KirkburnTwas
20:44.34Patrigan-SyldraHAHAHAHA!
20:44.36Patrigan-SyldraDCC SEND SECURITYOVERRIDE
20:45.07jrri jumped in the conversation a bit late - what's this typing/navigation thing?
20:45.54jrrperhaps about search box vs wowwiki.com/search_string
20:48.15amroer, why?
20:48.39amrohm i wonder why patrigan didn't get k-lined the first time
20:48.43Tepetkhet*rofl*
20:48.58naliothamro: because i wasn't here  :)
20:49.14Foulwyndbecause im trying to write some WoW story for my friends...and its about Horde invasion to Teldrassil...and i need some island close to it...xD
20:50.27amrothere's no island, but you could say they took over darkshore
20:50.43amrohm, magtheridon just crashed
20:50.47amroi can tell it's ready for BC
20:51.07Foulwyndi need some secret area, where they could prepare for the invasion...:-/
20:51.14TepetkhetOh dear.
20:51.18TepetkhetThis is just too funny.
20:51.26jrrwhy are they invading, btw?
20:51.35amroAshenvale? they pretty much own the place
20:51.40FoulwyndBecause they want, lol...:)
20:51.43Tepetkhet[15:49] Tepetkhet: [15:27] Kalagaraz: this one is the coolest "DCC SEND <censored manually>"
20:51.43Tepetkhet[15:49] *** Moob|Home has signed off IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
20:52.11TeomyroO
20:52.13KirkburnSilly people :P
20:52.14jrrThrall's horde aren't the demon-driven bloodthirsty savages of old
20:52.31jrrthere's glory in battle, but i don't think they do it for the hell of it
20:52.34TepetkhetThis is seriously bashworthy.
20:52.34amrobut they don't like night elves, either
20:52.45TepetkhetEpic.
20:52.47Foulwyndbut it was the idea of Forsaken and the rest of horde joined it...
20:53.17KirkburnFoulwynd, Bloodmyst isle
20:53.33FoulwyndKirkburn : thanks a lot...:)
20:53.41KirkburnPartially draenei, but mostly wilderness
20:54.11Foulwyndnevermind...Draenei arent there yet.
20:54.35KirkburnWell, they should have been there for about 2 1/2 months if we're being really pedantic ;)
20:54.53KirkburnIn about 2 weeks suddenly they'll appear to the world :P
20:55.17Foulwyndin my WoW they arent there...;P
20:55.20[zeal]jrr, i was talking about, if the name spaces and naming policies are changes, redirects would probably be needed for those who type to navigate to articles. i was suggesting, isntead of redirects, why couldn't articles that are empty merely display top 5 search results too for the article you tried to type.
20:55.23KirkburnOh, y'know, that means we can pinpoint the say they crashed
20:55.29[zeal]*changed
20:55.31Kirkburns/say/day/
20:56.02TepetkhetOkay, now I see why this 2 col layout messes up in IE.
20:56.08Kirkburn[zeal], I have no idea how mediawiki works, but that might be difficult to code
20:56.10TepetkhetI have an image near the bottom.
20:56.17amrosomehow their ambassadors linked up with the alliance, a bunch of them set up shops, while the majority was still knocked out form the crash
20:56.22TepetkhetAnd then text.
20:56.28TepetkhetThe image overflows the text.
20:56.41amrolots of layouts mess up in IE
20:56.45amroesp if CSS is involved
20:56.46TepetkhetAnd the container doesn't expand to contain it.
20:56.58Foulwyndok...so thx for your advices, i have many new ideas to my story...:)
20:56.58TepetkhetInstead it just bleeds all over the place.
20:57.02TepetkhetAnd eats the left column.
20:57.03[zeal]well first thing to do, is to make sure you're in strict mode :P
20:57.05Foulwyndm8 cya...:)
20:57.14*** part/#wowwiki Foulwynd (n=Foulwynd@four.starnet.cz)
20:57.15amrodon't forget crildor
20:57.53[zeal]by defining a dtd, and xml namespace (if you're using xhtml, which you should), but excluding the xml declaration.
20:57.58Tepetkhet<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.or
20:57.58Tepetkhetg/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
20:58.13sancuszomg use a pastebin
20:58.16Tepetkhetoops
20:58.17sancusis the image floated?
20:58.23Tepetkhetzomg yes floats suck.
20:58.38[zeal]nah
20:58.45*** join/#wowwiki Patrigan-Syldra (n=iron_pla@169.196-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be)
20:58.48[zeal]css sucks
20:58.50sancusNo, but the float is supposed to do that :P
20:58.56Patrigan-SyldraBah got myself banned with that silly thing >.>
20:59.06[zeal]floats are only as bad as the rest, lol.
20:59.10amrowhat did you expect?
20:59.14Patrigan-Syldrapffft...
20:59.16Patrigan-SyldraIP bans
20:59.22Patrigan-Syldramust be the worst type of ban ^^
20:59.25amrok-line = tempban
20:59.27Patrigan-Syldraand yet
20:59.31Patrigan-Syldrathe best one
20:59.41*** join/#wowwiki Hobinheim (i=draco256@dozer.dreamhost.com)
20:59.42[zeal]Tepetkhet, can you link the page?
20:59.57TepetkhetI would, but then I'd have to kill you.
21:00.11TepetkhetHeh
21:00.13*** join/#wowwiki mHobinhei (i=draco256@dozer.dreamhost.com)
21:00.14TepetkhetIt's not really live.
21:00.21mHobinheii hate unix
21:00.22amroclone
21:00.26mHobinhei...
21:00.28Gryphensend in the clones
21:00.40TepetkhetAnd besides, I would make you claw your own eyes out.
21:00.40mHobinheithis is really frustrating .com
21:00.54amrounix?
21:01.04jrr[zeal]: i'm totally in favor of showing the first five or so results on any non-existant pages
21:01.04Patrigan-Syldrahobin
21:01.10jrri wonder if mediawiki can cache that
21:01.10Patrigan-Syldrayou be having problems?
21:01.28Patrigan-Syldrano need
21:01.34*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Hobinheim] by ChanServ
21:01.39[zeal]yeah, caching would be nice.
21:01.41Hobinheimone day, i'll just type out my password here
21:01.47Patrigan-SyldraXD
21:01.49Patrigan-SyldraDO IT!
21:01.50*** join/#wowwiki dafire (n=dafire@dslb-084-060-059-085.pools.arcor-ip.net)
21:01.51amrolol
21:01.58GryphenHobinheim happens a lot :)
21:01.58amrodo your queries on the server window
21:02.04Patrigan-Syldraand make sure you have the same password as your WoW acc
21:02.09jrrHobinheim: the nickserv one? i've done that before
21:02.10Patrigan-Syldrawhat amro said
21:02.15Hobinheimwhat would be a command for .... listing the users in the room since i'm not on a gui
21:02.23[zeal]but i can't think it too hard. just take the code for the search page, simplfy and remove most of the funcrtionality, display only first results.
21:02.26Patrigan-SyldraHobinheim
21:02.35Patrigan-Syldramay I advice not to auth unless needed
21:02.39Patrigan-Syldrait's waht i generally do
21:02.39amrowhat client are you using?
21:02.40GryphenI dont use the same password twice
21:02.42[zeal]thought honestly, having google results would be nicer :P
21:02.45[zeal]*though
21:03.01Patrigan-Syldraidd [zeal]
21:03.02amroUse the same password everywhere. It's as secure as you can get.
21:03.05Patrigan-Syldranormally if done right
21:03.11Patrigan-Syldrait should be able to be softcoded even
21:03.12amroNobody would guess you're stupid enough to do that =D
21:03.30Patrigan-Syldra>.>
21:03.56jrrPatrigan-Syldra: on most servers you hafta auth when you /nick to a registered name, not just to reclaim it, yes?
21:04.34[zeal]afaik, yeah
21:04.57jrrso the option instead becomes to reg or not
21:05.23[zeal]why do names expire, if ever? :S
21:05.25amroyou don't have to auth on freenode
21:05.38amrobut you can't send PMs without authing
21:05.39[zeal]Zeal hasn't been for over 2 years ffs..
21:05.47[zeal]*been on for
21:06.10jrramro: you certain about that?
21:06.15Hobinheimomg bitchx ignored nickserv
21:06.18Hobinheimwhat a stupid client!
21:06.23[zeal]i think amro is right
21:06.25Hobinheimi hate technology and i hate irc
21:06.26jrrHobinheim: irssi FTW
21:06.38Patrigan-Syldraamro is right yes
21:06.47Patrigan-Syldrabut for me I don't need it ^^
21:06.54jrri could swear nickserv tells me to login whenever i connect
21:07.01jrrthough i haven't waited to see if my name gets revoked
21:07.06Hobinheimscrew this
21:07.10Hobinheimno more until i get back home
21:07.27*** join/#wowwiki _dok3Dal (n=dok@AStrasbourg-251-1-40-21.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr)
21:08.23[zeal]it does ask you, but doesn't revoke names : /
21:08.29jrrah-ha!
21:08.54amro[12:06] [Notice] -NickServ- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
21:08.57amrothat's all it does
21:09.05Tepetkhetwell
21:09.10TepetkhetThere's a toggle you can set.
21:09.19TepetkhetSo it won't force you to change your nick if you don't auth.
21:09.27jrrnoted
21:09.48TepetkhetI'm on another server that does it on a per user basis.  Default is set to force change if you don't ident.
21:10.06TepetkhetMaybe there's a global toggle in nickserv.
21:10.25[zeal]think theres multiple versions fo nick serve
21:10.39[zeal]noticed that via the help and the commands available : /
21:10.44[zeal]*of
21:10.59[zeal]on different servers that is. i don't really like this one.
21:11.09TepetkhetWell, probably different serverwide toggles.
21:11.22[zeal]*networks
21:11.35Tepetkhetmmm
21:11.40Tepetkhetyeah
21:13.15KirkburnGryphen, you're not identified?
21:13.28Gryphenhmm should be
21:13.56Gryphenyup i am
21:14.02KirkburnCause if you are, you should be auto-opped
21:14.15*** part/#wowwiki Gryphen (n=gryphon@mail.alexdevco.com)
21:14.15*** join/#wowwiki Gryphen (n=gryphon@mail.alexdevco.com)
21:14.15*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Gryphen] by ChanServ
21:14.20Kirkburnbetter :P
21:16.10Patrigan-Syldrableh, wish I had op too :p
21:16.44Teomyr:D
21:16.56sancusIt's overrated
21:18.46Patrigan-Syldraperhaps
21:20.07sancusTepet: You might want to use a pastebin to show people CSS that you need help with, if your site isnt hosted, then
21:20.56TepetkhetWell, it's on my server.
21:21.05jrrcss is such a headache
21:21.11jrrit's heart is in the right place
21:21.12TepetkhetIt just happens to contain far too much info to share with the public.  ;)
21:22.58Patrigan-SyldraI smell porn tbh
21:23.10jrrPatrigan-Syldra: what's it smell like?
21:23.12sancussure, so pastebin
21:23.17Patrigan-Syldradepends
21:23.20Tepetkhethaha
21:23.22Patrigan-Syldraon hot the girl is
21:23.28KirkburnHow does Nebu (a Blizz website guy) have the time for this? =) http://www.expectnothing.com/
21:23.30Patrigan-Syldrahow hot*
21:23.35TepetkhetWell, there's some of that on the server, too.
21:23.46sancusuh
21:23.50sancusyou know who Nebu is, right? :P
21:24.16Patrigan-Syldrathere is Tepetkhet? oO
21:24.17Kirkburnum, do I?
21:24.27Patrigan-SyldraI doubt it >.>
21:24.29sancusHe's widely regarded as completely incompetent and only holding the position he does because of nepotism or somesuch.
21:24.43Patrigan-SyldraHowever
21:24.55Patrigan-Syldramany of the arguements concerning this, depend on false rumours
21:25.00Kirkburn\o/
21:25.00Patrigan-Syldraand whining remarks
21:25.11Patrigan-Syldramake sure you always give the full story sancus
21:25.13sancusYou only have to read his site to find out how incompetent he is
21:25.19Patrigan-Syldraperhaps
21:25.19sancusIt's completely obvious
21:25.24sancusThe extent of the nepotism, who knows
21:25.29sancusI don't pretend to know any details about that
21:25.34KirkburnI think I've looked at it before, iirc
21:25.49Patrigan-Syldrahaving oppinions does not directly mean you are incompetent for a job at Blizzard
21:25.55sancusHe is part of Blizzard's web development, though
21:26.05Patrigan-Syldraand remember
21:26.06sancusAnd they haven't even the faintest clue what they're doing
21:26.08Tepetkhetpastebin...
21:26.11Patrigan-Syldrathat website isfree time
21:26.11Tepetkhethm
21:26.21sancusdude
21:26.22Patrigan-Syldraon Blizz site he ain't alone
21:26.24sancusyou're defending Nebu
21:26.27Patrigan-SyldraI am not
21:26.30TepetkhetI've never used anything like that before.
21:26.30sancusHave you ever read anything he has said? :P
21:26.34sancusThe guy is a complete asshole
21:26.38Adyshttp://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:RC
21:26.40Patrigan-SyldraI just dislike people breaking someone on the spot
21:26.43AdysWheres it gone ><
21:26.44Patrigan-SyldraI actually have ><
21:27.01Patrigan-Syldrawent for a walk adys
21:27.11sancusI've watched Blizzard and forums related to their games for a number of years, and Nebu has always displayed himself as both incompetent and a complete jerk.
21:27.20KirkburnAdys, good question
21:27.29sancusHe's also never actually advanced from his position, which is another particularly strong indicator!
21:27.39AdysMikkbot blanked it for last update
21:28.20sancusbut anyway, it's Nebu. That's all there is to be said, really, Kirk :P And not everyone at Blizzard works 12 hour days, in any case, so it's easy to see how he'd have time to post a poorly constructed website.
21:28.21[zeal]the fact blizzard's site sucks, and always will makes him incompetent
21:28.21KirkburnNot sure what caused that
21:28.39sancusespecially since he's been there forever and that site is pretty old
21:28.53KirkburnAdys, rolling it back for now
21:29.25AdysHmm maybe Mikkbot doesnt like your changes on the rc? :P
21:29.55sancusTepet: t
21:29.55sancus[16:28] <sancus> Have you ever re
21:29.57sancuser
21:30.04sancusthank you, worthless clipboard
21:30.12Patrigan-Syldrasancus
21:30.14sancushttp://wowi.pastey.net/
21:30.17sancusthere you go :P
21:30.17Patrigan-Syldrayou live too offensive ^^
21:30.29Patrigan-Syldrabe a bit nicer to your clipboard
21:30.36Patrigan-Syldrahe just issues the commands you give it to him :p
21:31.00sancusSometimes you have to copy things multiple times for the windows clipboard to accept it.
21:31.48sancustepet: anyway, you paste your code in there and then you get a link that anyone can go look at, so you dont spam IRC with a paste :)
21:32.58TepetkhetYeah, I'm reading up on the concept.  First one I found is very very very slow.
21:33.01TepetkhetDon't like it.
21:33.10KirkburnAdys, can't be, I changed that hours ago
21:33.10Tepetkheter, first pastebin I found
21:33.26Adysthen dont know
21:33.38Patrigan-SyldraSay btw
21:33.48Patrigan-Syldraon a completely other note
21:33.55Patrigan-Syldraam I allowed to upload all cards to the WoWwiki?
21:34.02Patrigan-Syldrafrom the Trading Card game that is
21:34.11Patrigan-Syldrataking into account that we're alrdy close to 400 cards
21:34.19Patrigan-Syldraand that soon 340 more will be released oO
21:34.19sancusthe wowi one is decent
21:34.49sancusimages of them?
21:35.01Patrigan-Syldrayes
21:35.11Patrigan-Syldraand probably also a corresponding page
21:35.16Patrigan-Syldrabrought it upa  few times alrdy
21:35.18Patrigan-Syldrabut...
21:35.23Tepetkhetheh
21:35.27TepetkhetPrepare to laugh at my css
21:35.33Tepetkhethttp://wowi.pastey.net/4474
21:35.41Patrigan-SyldraI'm currently awaiting a reply from UDE regarding a few "fansite kit" possibilities
21:36.34Patrigan-SyldraTepetkhet anby possibility to see it actually in work? too lazy to read up on the CSS script and then imagine something with it >.>
21:37.01Tepetkhetwell
21:37.04TepetkhetThat's the thing.
21:37.09TeomyrTepetkhet: line-height in line 2 doesn't specify a measuring unit (px, em, pt), is that valid css?
21:37.20KirkburnI think it just makes it 120%
21:37.39Teomyraah
21:37.48Patrigan-Syldrahttp://entertainment.upperdeck.com/wow/en/news/article.aspx?aid=1908 nerf Troll beauty oO
21:38.15KirkburnI do love having to remember: top right bottom left
21:38.39Teomyrthat's basically the only thing i ALWAYS have to look up :P
21:38.45Kirkburnhehe
21:39.07TeomyrTepetkhet: what exactly is the problem with that css?
21:39.20TepetkhetTeomyr: Nothing, most of the time.
21:39.22TepetkhetBut..
21:39.26jrrthe #css dudes are pretty competent, btw
21:39.29jrrhelped me w/ my design
21:39.31KirkburnIdea, just think North East South West or 12am, 3 am, 6am, 9am ?
21:39.38TepetkhetIn one page where a pic is near the bottom of the content1 container...
21:39.48TepetkhetIt breaks the page.
21:39.53TepetkhetIn IE
21:39.55TepetkhetOnly IE
21:39.59KirkburnWhich IE?
21:40.07TeomyrHow does it break?
21:40.13Tepetkhet6.0
21:40.36TepetkhetBreaks in that there is overflow.
21:40.57TepetkhetSo instead of a nice grey left column and a nice black main content container...
21:41.05TepetkhetThere's part of a grey box on the left.
21:41.09TepetkhetAnd no dividing line.
21:41.17TepetkhetAnd the black from the center overflows.
21:41.25Teomyri see
21:41.35Teomyrwell, i don't see, but i can imagine
21:41.55KirkburnCan be useful to use a "clear" at the bottom of boxes, dunno if that's relevant
21:42.01sancusyou could try overflow: hidden in the black container
21:45.44Teomyrwhat if you set position: absolute; left: 200px; top: 0; for the container?
21:46.07Teomyrinstead of the margin
21:49.22TepetkhetOkay, I think I have a solution.
21:49.26TepetkhetTake a look at this.
21:49.28Tepetkhethttp://www.niceboots.com/~tenebrae/siteproblem.jpg
21:50.16TepetkhetNow you can "see".
21:50.22Teomyr;)
21:50.31TepetkhetPic is large.
21:50.40TepetkhetI have a dual monitor setup.
21:52.01Teomyrhmm
21:52.15Teomyri had that problem once, too
21:52.18TepetkhetYou see the difference there?
21:52.41Teomyryes
21:53.15TeomyrIE is ignoring the margin and lets the navigation box overflow into the content
21:54.55TepetkhetNot only that, but you see the text doesn't align properly up near the navbox, either.
21:55.26TepetkhetIt's like it's indented slightly up top.
21:55.49Teomyrmhh
21:59.09[zeal]i can't see code from a jpg, so i can't help much :P
21:59.36Kirkburnlol
21:59.42*** join/#wowwiki dok3Dal (n=dok@AStrasbourg-251-1-40-21.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr)
22:01.42Tepetkhethah
22:01.43Tepetkhetwell
22:01.44Teomyri don't think i can help you here. can't test it myself since i updated to 7.0 :/
22:01.57*** join/#wowwiki dok3Dal (n=dok@AStrasbourg-251-1-40-21.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr)
22:01.59TepetkhetI linked the css
22:02.00Gryphenthink you need to redline more info :)
22:02.26TepetkhetBut I'd have to edit a bunch more to display the sample page.
22:02.27[zeal]it's only messed in ie6?
22:02.30Tepetkhetyup
22:02.35TepetkhetI don't have IE7 to test.
22:02.45TepetkhetBut it's fine in Opera and Firefox.
22:02.45[zeal]pfft, who cares, it's IE6
22:02.52Tepetkhethah, well
22:02.55TepetkhetBusiness cares.
22:03.34TepetkhetFor reference...
22:03.34Tepetkhethttp://www.niceboots.com/~tenebrae/
22:03.36[zeal]business should upgrade >_>
22:03.37TepetkhetThat's my home page.
22:03.38Tepetkhetheh
22:03.51Gryphennot 'the' business
22:03.52sancusI would be inclined to use widths to seperate the two bars
22:03.56Gryphenits customers
22:04.02sancusnot what is kindof an abuse of the margin setting :P
22:04.50sancusIf you have one main container, then the two bars in that container, and you set the widths of each bar as a percentage, it'd work out better I suspect
22:05.06TepetkhetWell, in this particular site...
22:05.13TepetkhetThere's a header, footer
22:05.16TepetkhetLeft col
22:05.19TepetkhetAnd main container.
22:05.24TepetkhetLeft col is fixed width
22:05.46TepetkhetMain container is 100% resizeable.
22:06.07sancuser
22:06.16sancusby main container you mean everything is contained in that?
22:06.19Tepetkheter
22:06.21TepetkhetNo, sorry.
22:06.31amrocentercontainer?
22:06.55TepetkhetHeader, footer.  Left col with navbar.  Main content container.
22:07.08sancusOn most of the professional site layouts I've worked on, you have one main container that _everything_ is inside of, and then you use percentages to fiddle the containers in the middle to whatever you like.
22:07.10TepetkhetI think I did try wrapping part of it in a wrap div.
22:07.37jrrsancus: that makes everything resizable, no?
22:07.43sancusjrr: yeah
22:07.46jrrick
22:07.46[zeal]well if it wasn't for ie6, i'd care to help
22:07.49TepetkhetHeader, start wrap.  Left bar, right bar.  close wrap.  footer.
22:07.53sancusyou can use fixed widths, if you really want to
22:07.59sancusthey are generally bad manners, though :)
22:08.09[zeal]but seeing display:inline on a float has just put off straight away :P
22:08.20sancushaha
22:08.35jrrsancus: i'm more concerned with fixed heights, though i like vertical menus to have fixed widths
22:08.36Gryphenmake less money by being put off then
22:08.36Tepetkhetzeal, I actually tried putting that in to try to work around some bugs.
22:08.37sancusI was going to comment about that at the start but meh, that doesn't address the problem ;p
22:08.53[zeal]i know Tepetkhet, it does fix some ie6 bugs :p
22:09.01sancusthe point though, is that you are using a margin to accomplish what is supposed to be accomplished by widths
22:09.04TepetkhetI've been reading a bunch of sites that talk about workarounds and I've been trying really hard to get around them.
22:09.07Tepetkhethm
22:09.33TepetkhetSo if you have a 200px width left column..
22:09.41sancusI can't give you advice on working around that specific IE6 bug, as none of my sites have to be compatible with IE6 :P
22:09.45TepetkhetAnd your main content to the right of that is flexible...
22:10.01sancusThat might work, yes
22:10.02[zeal]tbh, use soem ie conditinals, get it right in ff, get it right in ie7, get it right in ie6. all in diff stylesheet. makes it easier to manage your work arounds and proves a better step to start from each time you come to a different browser and need to change soem css.
22:10.24TepetkhetI can't get it right in IE6 yet.  :/
22:11.09TepetkhetWell, I like sites that work in all relatively modern browsers.
22:11.14[zeal]yeah, i would on ie7 before ie6 : P
22:11.15amroTepetkhet, what exactly bugs in IE?
22:11.23Tepetkhetamro, check the pic.
22:11.26jrrthere are some good examples here - see if any of them fit your needs http://www.pmob.co.uk/temp/3colfixedtest_4.htm
22:11.26Gryphensshot amro
22:11.29[zeal]*i would work on ie7
22:11.31jrr(the bottom left links)
22:11.47jrr[zeal]: i can think of no software project worse to work on
22:12.10Tepetkhethttp://www.niceboots.com/~tenebrae/siteproblem.jpg
22:12.12TepetkhetThere.
22:12.25sancusTepet: No one goes to addons.mozilla.org with IE.. though we do try to make sure it's not horribly broken.
22:12.33sancusIt looks a little different, though.
22:12.56Gryphenwhy would they?
22:12.57Gryphenlol
22:13.04Grypheni dont go to mozilla anything
22:13.36sancusThat's nice :P
22:13.47Kirkburnhehe
22:14.53TepetkhetWhups.  Time to head home.
22:15.23Tepetkhetjrr: Pretty sure I've seen that site, but thanks.
22:15.55TepetkhetAnd thanks all for the help and suggestions.
22:15.55jrrTepetkhet: np.  one of their layouts was the basis of my site
22:16.19jrrsomehow they managed pixel-perfect uniformity between opera,mozilla, and the IEs
22:38.39*** join/#wowwiki Castdead (i=54c19c2f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-4fef8be14020b99e)
22:39.13Castdeadhello, i seek some addon creaiton advice, just a beginner :)
22:40.18Teomyrhi there
22:40.41Castdeadi have some problems with a 2 dimensional table
22:40.44Teomyrmost of the interface people hang out in #wowi-lounge though ;)
22:41.01Castdeadok, ty for that info atleast :)
22:41.19Teomyrnp ;)
22:46.13*** join/#wowwiki dok3Dal (n=dok@AStrasbourg-251-1-40-21.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr)
22:54.14[zeal]bah horrible 3 column layout
23:25.55Teomyrphew
23:26.05Teomyrthe tooltips, reloaded!
23:26.09Teomyrhttp://simonveith.de/wowwikitest/index.php/Tooltips
23:28.22Teomyrdo they work in IE6? can't test
23:28.36[zeal]Teomyr, is sticky supposed to stay up all the time?
23:30.26Teomyrit's supposed to go away if you mouse over itself, or bring up another tooltip
23:31.38[zeal]mouse over itself?
23:31.54Teomyryeah, mouse over the tooltip
23:32.01[zeal]and no, they don't work properly in IE6, other than the obvious png issues, there are no side borders
23:32.08TeomyroO
23:32.17[zeal]ah, kk
23:32.18Teomyrmight be related
23:32.43KirkburnTeomyr, v cool
23:32.52Teomyrthanks :D
23:33.40KirkburnThe sticky doesn't go away if you roll over it in IE7
23:33.48[zeal]it does
23:34.14Kirkburn...
23:34.22KirkburnIsn't it a bit hard for one of us to be wrong now? :P
23:34.40[zeal]well its working on my IE7 :p
23:34.57[zeal]IE6 too
23:35.01KirkburnIt stays until I mouse on _then_ mouse off it
23:35.31KirkburnI can select text on it, which should tell you I can roll onto it ...
23:35.41Teomyrah, yes, that's the right behaviour
23:35.50KirkburnMakes sense
23:36.05[zeal]ok.. that isnt how it is for me :s
23:36.15Kirkburn[zeal], come at it from the top
23:36.30KirkburnThat way the sticky appears high up, you should be able to roll onto it then
23:37.09[zeal]nope, cos it instantly changes to the next example
23:38.03[zeal]onyl way i cna emulate what you're saying, is if i highlightthe example text and mouse over it, but that doesn't coun't, behavoiur is different when selecting text.
23:38.13[zeal]i was doing it by going to the end
23:38.37KirkburnIt's hard to do it ... Teomyr, can you space them out a bit?
23:38.45Kirkburn(the examples)
23:38.50Teomyrof course, sec
23:39.29[zeal]basically you're saying if you go directly fro mthe trigger text to the tooltip, it won't disappear until you next mouse out?
23:39.54[zeal]where as i'm going fro mthe trigger text, off, then mousing over the tooltip, and it vanished
23:39.56Teomyrk
23:39.58[zeal]*vanishes
23:40.24Teomyrlooks like it's an issue with overlib, doesn't work that way in ff 2.0 either
23:40.51[zeal]i'm still getting the functionality i described
23:40.53Teomyror maybe with the border graphics extending beyond the tooltip border
23:41.16KirkburnI'll try FF2
23:41.51[zeal]though, worth noting is that it will disappear, then popup again on next movement, because cursors can set their own points, and arrow is different to text cursor.
23:42.10Kirkburnooh, v buggy in FF2 :/
23:42.33KirkburnBtw, the dotted underline  I don't see in IE7
23:43.05Teomyrme neither
23:43.12[zeal]yeah, same, not in ie6 either
23:43.31KirkburnWhat's the underline code?
23:43.40Kirkburn1px dotted should work
23:44.28Teomyromg
23:44.37[zeal]"border-bottom: 1px dotted grey"
23:44.45[zeal]erm.. grey is the bg too isnt it? :p
23:44.54Teomyreither that
23:45.00Teomyror it's "gray" for ie
23:45.08[zeal]hm..
23:45.11Teomyrseems so
23:45.17[zeal]w/e is american spelling should work in all, lol
23:45.45Kirkburnhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Image:1852.jpg ????????
23:46.00[zeal]krakken
23:46.18Teomyrkk, "gray" works. silly...
23:46.18[zeal]not released officiall afaik, where has that come from? :s
23:46.51[zeal]looks likely datamined from beta
23:47.20KirkburnKrakken!?
23:47.23[zeal]indeed
23:47.33[zeal]atleast that's what it's called in it's files
23:47.36KirkburnOh yes: http://www.wowwiki.com/Kraken
23:48.37[zeal]god, wowguru always gives me errors :s
23:48.47KirkburnHe changed it from a hosted pic at least
23:49.14KirkburnI do like when people notice the policies on their own :)
23:50.26[zeal]hehe, yeah
23:54.26Teomyrwhy is transparency messed up in ie6 only for the corner graphics? i saved them exactly the same way as i saved the others
23:54.49[zeal]its not jsut the corners
23:55.02[zeal]or you mean the grey?
23:55.23[zeal]in which case, i dunno..
23:55.35Teomyri mean the grey in the corners
23:55.37Kirkburnor you mean the gray? ;)
23:55.41Teomyrhehe
23:55.42[zeal]lol
23:56.16Teomyrthe top, right, bottom and left graphics have alpha transparency too and they look right
23:57.35Teomyrthe right and left borders are messed up in ie6 again... think i'm going to use a browser check and switch to a simple version
23:58.26[zeal]well the top, left, right, bottom, i dunno about on inner side of the border, but the rest of is it is solid, no transparency :s
23:59.33[zeal]the outer side of the border on the corners.. well they have transparency ofc. looks as if they don't have the bg colour set.
23:59.57Teomyrthe inner side of the border is slightly transparent to match the tooltip's background

Generated by irclog2html.pl by Jeff Waugh - find it at freshmeat.net! Modified by Tim Riker to work with blootbot logs, split per channel, etc.