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| 00:05.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | Guys, are there some people here? |
| 00:05.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | good |
| 00:05.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | stay here for a while |
| 00:05.58 | Adys | Im going to bed in a few mins :P |
| 00:06.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'm going to brush my teeth quickly |
| 00:06.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | ah gah |
| 00:06.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'll ask fgirst |
| 00:06.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | and then bursh >.> |
| 00:06.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | see |
| 00:06.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | I would like to start a slight page for the TCG |
| 00:06.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | most importantly a talk page for it |
| 00:07.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | so that I can discuss with a few persons that want to cooperate with me on it, so that we don't satrt at random editing things. |
| 00:07.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | and so that the admins have an easy page to see our plans with it |
| 00:07.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | that way we can keep order and symmetry |
| 00:07.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | and not some page created like this and a page created like that |
| 00:07.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | and perhaps 1 or 2 cards getting their own page |
| 00:08.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | and a few other cards getting shmashed on the same page, without coherence in it |
| 00:08.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | also naming and shit .. |
| 00:08.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | all trivial stuff |
| 00:08.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | but any idea how I can do this? |
| 00:08.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | don't want the talk page of a TCG page to get clogged up |
| 00:09.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 00:09.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | GG adys! |
| 00:10.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | bleh gonna brush my teeth fast |
| 00:20.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | so... |
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| 00:38.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | hobinheim |
| 00:38.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | you might know! |
| 00:39.10 | hobinheim | ? |
| 00:39.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | I want to put up a talk page for everyone that wants to assist on editing TCG pages |
| 00:40.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | but I don't want it to clog up the main TCG page talk page... |
| 00:40.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | more something along the lines of a community team portal |
| 00:40.22 | hobinheim | ok |
| 00:40.33 | hobinheim | is there no community team for this? |
| 00:40.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | nope |
| 00:40.41 | hobinheim | if there isn't, just go ahead and hijack the TCG talk page |
| 00:40.45 | hobinheim | or make a sub page |
| 00:40.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | hmmm |
| 00:40.50 | hobinheim | and then a link off the main talk |
| 00:41.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | don't want to hijack it >?> |
| 00:41.12 | hobinheim | ALL DISCUSSION GOES HERE FOR BLAH BLAH |
| 00:41.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | that's the whole point XD |
| 00:41.13 | hobinheim | make a sub page |
| 00:41.13 | hobinheim | and link the sub page off the main page |
| 00:41.19 | hobinheim | Talk: Blah Blah / Sub Page |
| 00:41.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | don't forget there are several TCG pages... |
| 00:41.34 | hobinheim | why don't you want to use the primary talk page? |
| 00:41.37 | hobinheim | what else is there to talk about? |
| 00:41.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | and 1 TCG portal page (with the general information) |
| 00:41.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | several things |
| 00:41.44 | hobinheim | what is tcg |
| 00:41.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | trust me >.> |
| 00:41.46 | hobinheim | show me |
| 00:41.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | Trading Card Game |
| 00:41.52 | hobinheim | no i don't trust you, what is it you want |
| 00:42.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_Trading_Card_Game |
| 00:42.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | that's the general page |
| 00:42.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | but there are several pages (atm only 1 for each set) |
| 00:42.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | atm the talk page is still a bit empty (just a silly conversation) |
| 00:43.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | but the general page reflects much information |
| 00:43.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | and I expect the talk page of it being used to discuss what should go on that page and what shouldn't |
| 00:43.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | that's why discussion like the specific cards (and how to add them to the wiki) shouldn't go there |
| 00:44.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | I see it more as a big project concerning the TCG |
| 00:44.16 | hobinheim | you should just concentrate on what's in front of you instead of worrying what you think might happen |
| 00:44.21 | hobinheim | cuz sometimes it never ends up that way |
| 00:44.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | true |
| 00:44.24 | hobinheim | so just use the talk page |
| 00:44.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | true |
| 00:44.27 | hobinheim | and worry about it later |
| 00:44.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | >.> |
| 00:44.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | chaos >.> |
| 00:44.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | pure chaos XD |
| 00:44.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | no offense |
| 00:45.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | but using a talk page for something that doesn't really reflect the page |
| 00:45.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | is just creating chaos |
| 00:45.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | and it isn't easy to go and find the right page |
| 00:45.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | Lemme give a small addition |
| 00:45.38 | hobinheim | i don't readily understand what you're worried about |
| 00:45.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | example* |
| 00:46.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | imagine we want to discuss a specific set, but considering all sets have something to do with eachother |
| 00:46.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | the discussion quickly becomes a discussion about every set |
| 00:46.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | which has in essence nothing much to do with the initial page I linked to you |
| 00:46.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | but it's silly to hijack 1 of those set pages for this >?> |
| 00:46.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | >.>* |
| 00:46.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | because the discussion covers every set |
| 00:47.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | so I was thinking if it would be possible to set up a similar "team" page without it actually being a team |
| 00:47.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | where we could create a standard for everyone that wishes to assist in updating TCG pages. |
| 00:47.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | a standard for every single thing concerning the TCG |
| 00:48.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | all gathered on 1 page with 1 talk page :) |
| 00:48.15 | hobinheim | you're still being hypothetical instead of pointing to an actual problem |
| 00:48.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | (yes I suck in explaining, had 2 days of party in a row >.>) |
| 00:48.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | well, let me put it like this |
| 00:48.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Patrigan#TCG_template |
| 00:49.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | my talk page currently is such a page |
| 00:49.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | where we discuss naming and placing of specific subjects (and the wowwiki related stuff) |
| 00:51.16 | hobinheim | i think you're just going around in circles |
| 00:51.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | >< |
| 00:51.16 | hobinheim | use the current pages you have |
| 00:51.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | GAH! XD |
| 00:51.16 | hobinheim | wherever the discussion is, or on the tcg main talk page |
| 00:51.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | and where shall I put the stuff that we want to be the standard for every page? |
| 00:51.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | IF I can add every single card seperately to the wiki |
| 00:51.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | I will most probably not do it alone |
| 00:51.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | where shall I put an example of it? |
| 00:51.55 | Patrigan-Syldra | where shall I show them what to use as an example? |
| 00:52.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | if I clog both discussion AND standards on 1 talk page |
| 00:52.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | it'll be chaos |
| 00:52.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | and if you didn't realise |
| 00:52.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | I dislike chaos ^^ |
| 00:52.51 | hobinheim | you're still projecting in the future. just do it on a talk page |
| 00:52.56 | hobinheim | or make a sandbox |
| 00:53.01 | hobinheim | patrigan/tcg discussion |
| 00:54.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | Perhaps I can created a page TCG_Editing perhaps? |
| 00:54.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | not on my personal User:Patrigan page (so that it doesn't looka sif I'm leading everything XD) |
| 00:54.57 | hobinheim | just talk under tcg |
| 00:55.10 | hobinheim | and don't create a tcg editing article |
| 00:55.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | hmmmm... K... (Chaos! >< But, k... Guess you'll know it better) |
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| 02:25.00 | Kirkburn | I, uh, appear to be using someone else's internet connection |
| 02:25.07 | Kirkburn | My router bricked |
| 02:26.26 | equiraptor | Heh |
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| 10:39.52 | Apollozeus | seriously guys |
| 10:40.00 | Apollozeus | why is the logo on the frontpage so awfully blurred? |
| 10:40.39 | Apollozeus | oh, nvm |
| 10:40.41 | Apollozeus | I see >_> |
| 10:49.35 | Teomyr | hehe |
| 11:11.51 | Apollozeus | ;p |
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| 11:17.28 | amro | for Template:Spell_Template, should I put anything in the notes section? |
| 11:20.55 | Apollozeus | Template:Spell Template |
| 11:20.55 | Apollozeus | From WoWWiki |
| 11:20.55 | Apollozeus | Jump to: navigation, search |
| 11:20.55 | Apollozeus | There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page. |
| 11:27.26 | amro | er Boilerplate:Spell_Template |
| 11:28.46 | Apollozeus | that's ok |
| 11:31.18 | Apollozeus | http://wow.ru/maps/MAP_azeroth.jpg |
| 11:31.19 | Apollozeus | meh |
| 11:31.29 | Apollozeus | it's hard to photoshop the ghostlands and eversong woods into that |
| 11:35.05 | amro | is it my connection or is the wiki slow today? |
| 11:37.01 | foxlit | It's decent. |
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| 14:06.14 | Teomyr | uh |
| 14:06.18 | Teomyr | extensions/wowitemlink/itemcache.xml:1044676: parser error : out of memory error |
| 14:06.31 | Teomyr | guess my server doesn't like that 44MB xml file |
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| 14:46.17 | Apollozeus | o.O http://www.blizzard.com/wow/images/screens/kalidar/ss13.jpg |
| 14:46.35 | Apollozeus | Darnassus looked kinda different before WoW's release |
| 14:55.02 | hobinheim | a lot of things look different before release |
| 14:55.08 | hobinheim | you should see the starcraft alpha screenshots |
| 14:55.16 | hobinheim | some of the brood war stuff was already in there |
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| 14:56.14 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 14:56.17 | Tepetkhet | Hello there. |
| 14:56.22 | mahtov | hi |
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| 14:58.28 | Tepetkhet | Noooo... the allakhazam IRCers are invading! |
| 14:59.22 | Tepetkhet | I know - 4 people's hardly an invasion... |
| 15:00.38 | equiraptor | Hehe |
| 15:00.42 | hobinheim | allakhazam, huh |
| 15:00.44 | Apollozeus | WTF |
| 15:00.49 | Apollozeus | Forbidden |
| 15:00.49 | Apollozeus | You don't have permission to access /Image:Bailey_Stonemantle.jpg on this server. |
| 15:00.58 | Adys | apollo |
| 15:01.03 | Adys | try access a page of the wiki first |
| 15:01.09 | Adys | and then retype the urkl |
| 15:01.10 | Adys | url |
| 15:01.28 | equiraptor | You may need to clear cache or shift-reload before it will load, depending. |
| 15:01.31 | hobinheim | if i knew how to use ops powers, you'd get a stern sterning from me, but lucky for you i don't! |
| 15:01.46 | Tepetkhet | A stern sterning, eh? |
| 15:01.49 | Apollozeus | wtf |
| 15:01.50 | hobinheim | STERN |
| 15:01.55 | Adys | infobot, bonk hobinheim |
| 15:01.59 | infobot | ACTION bonks hobinheim over the head |
| 15:02.01 | Apollozeus | I can't view images on wowwiki anymore |
| 15:02.02 | Apollozeus | :s |
| 15:02.06 | equiraptor | heh |
| 15:02.39 | equiraptor | I know one of the original infobots. :) |
| 15:02.40 | Tepetkhet | Steeern? He's nothing but a low-down, double-dealing, backstabbing, larcenous perverted worm! |
| 15:03.47 | Tepetkhet | Ahhh...drunken wowwiki (wowwonky?) to the rescue. |
| 15:03.56 | Tepetkhet | equiraptor: I see what you mean about those BE female shoulders. Ouch. |
| 15:04.06 | Hobinheim | somebody in village pump doesn't like the drunkard ness |
| 15:04.16 | Hobinheim | i don't have the heart to revert it, itsh pretty .... hic! |
| 15:04.24 | equiraptor | Have you found that comparison image, tep? |
| 15:04.29 | equiraptor | I can't seem to find it from here. |
| 15:04.32 | Tepetkhet | equiraptor: Didn't havfe to. |
| 15:04.34 | Tepetkhet | er, have to |
| 15:04.37 | Tepetkhet | wowwiki knows all |
| 15:04.41 | Tepetkhet | wowwiki compares all |
| 15:04.43 | equiraptor | Heh |
| 15:04.46 | equiraptor | Fortunately, it's not blocked yet. |
| 15:04.49 | Tepetkhet | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Befemalenewold.jpg |
| 15:04.51 | Apollozeus | tekkub will probaby revert it himself today |
| 15:04.55 | Tepetkhet | aw |
| 15:04.58 | Tepetkhet | I thought it was funny. |
| 15:05.05 | Tepetkhet | The drunken blurry wowwiki |
| 15:05.19 | Tepetkhet | Good that it was kept to just the front page, though. |
| 15:05.21 | equiraptor | Ah, yes, that's the image I was thinking of. |
| 15:05.37 | Adys | lol tep, i dont see tek doing that on the whole wiki |
| 15:05.54 | Tepetkhet | What, you mean he typed it manually? |
| 15:06.01 | Tepetkhet | I thought it was just a filter you ran on the text. |
| 15:06.08 | Apollozeus | he did that manually |
| 15:06.14 | Apollozeus | most likely |
| 15:06.17 | Tepetkhet | Feed text in, spit hic out. |
| 15:06.19 | Tepetkhet | Or drunk |
| 15:06.21 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Tekkub |
| 15:06.21 | Tepetkhet | or whatever |
| 15:06.35 | Tepetkhet | hick |
| 15:06.43 | Tepetkhet | Not hic (hic!). |
| 15:07.01 | Tepetkhet | gaaaaah |
| 15:07.08 | Apollozeus | there's also the gay version |
| 15:07.12 | Apollozeus | suk! dik! |
| 15:07.23 | Tepetkhet | Sssspecial. |
| 15:08.56 | Tepetkhet | "Tekkub is some sort of admin, apparently" |
| 15:11.56 | Hobinheim | apollo, that's low |
| 15:12.25 | Apollozeus | I'm just messing around |
| 15:13.06 | equiraptor | I have too many characters. |
| 15:13.08 | Hobinheim | we're accepting of all people here, even if they are alliance |
| 15:13.15 | Tepetkhet | haha! |
| 15:13.30 | Tepetkhet | For the Horde! |
| 15:13.47 | Hobinheim | the Ban Hammer knows no limits. just your mother |
| 15:17.47 | Apollozeus | right |
| 15:22.05 | Kirkburn | I think the drunkeness can stay until later today |
| 15:22.17 | Tepetkhet | yeah |
| 15:22.24 | Tepetkhet | Wait for the hangovers to wear off. |
| 15:22.28 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 15:22.29 | Tepetkhet | And the morning coffee to sink in. |
| 15:22.32 | Tepetkhet | Wait. |
| 15:22.34 | Kirkburn | How exactly can someone not like it? |
| 15:22.36 | Tepetkhet | That reminds me. |
| 15:22.46 | Tepetkhet | How can this be? |
| 15:22.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | sorry |
| 15:22.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | only thee here |
| 15:23.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | coffee is bad for your genes... |
| 15:23.26 | equiraptor | My genes are broken, anyway. |
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| 15:23.30 | equiraptor | Can I have some coffee now? |
| 15:23.33 | Kirkburn | Ach, I really need to go out and buy a replacement router |
| 15:23.37 | Hobinheimff | how do i kick myself off |
| 15:23.39 | Hobinheimff | oh |
| 15:23.41 | Hobinheimff | n/m i guess |
| 15:23.47 | Tepetkhet | I'm not wearing genes. |
| 15:23.49 | Kirkburn | My neighbour's wireless connection is just tooo slow ;) |
| 15:23.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | lol Kirkburn |
| 15:24.12 | Kirkburn | They're the ones who didn't secure it! |
| 15:24.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | ^^ |
| 15:24.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 15:24.30 | Hobinheimff | don't you have internet at uni |
| 15:24.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | I have one of the best securities! |
| 15:24.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | I can only have 4 people online at the same time >.> |
| 15:25.23 | Kirkburn | Am at home now |
| 15:25.32 | Hobinheimff | don't you have internet at home |
| 15:25.46 | Kirkburn | "I really need to go out and buy a replacement router" |
| 15:25.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 15:26.11 | Hobinheimff | the wiki is really slow for me right now, anyone else |
| 15:26.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | wiki is down for me |
| 15:26.43 | Tepetkhet | It was slow for me, too. |
| 15:26.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | was even surprised I could load that Belf picture |
| 15:28.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | nope the wowwiki is down |
| 15:28.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | time for me to go downstairs for a sec ^^ |
| 15:29.33 | Kirkburn | hobinheim to kick your alter ego off, you do /ghost Hobinheim <password if you're not identified with Hobinheimff> |
| 15:29.38 | Hobinheimff | this slowdown makes me wonder if there's some vandalismo going on.... |
| 15:29.58 | Hobinheimff | ghost...? |
| 15:30.13 | Kirkburn | yes |
| 15:30.17 | Kirkburn | /ghost |
| 15:31.16 | amro | if that doesn't work try /msg nickserv ghost hobinheim pass |
| 15:32.19 | Kirkburn | Not my fault if he has a useless client :P |
| 15:32.43 | Hobinheimff | whatever i'm sure he'll go away eventually |
| 15:32.58 | Hobinheimff | i'm not an op but i show up in the op list? |
| 15:33.12 | amro | Konversation doesn't recongnize ghost, but its far from useless :) |
| 15:33.14 | Hobinheimff | irc sucks |
| 15:33.28 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim is an OP, Hobinheimff isn't :P |
| 15:33.37 | amro | freenode doesn't disc you very fast |
| 15:33.44 | amro | so you need to use ghost |
| 15:33.46 | Kirkburn | If you kick Hobinheim and take back his nick, you will be opped |
| 15:33.54 | Hobinheimff | am i talking as hobinheim or hobinheim ff? |
| 15:33.58 | Kirkburn | ff |
| 15:34.00 | Hobinheimff | cuz my screen says hobinheim |
| 15:34.01 | Hobinheimff | dammit |
| 15:34.11 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 15:34.20 | Kirkburn | Anyway, I'm off out, bbl |
| 15:34.27 | amro | later |
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| 15:35.40 | Apollozeus | still Hobinheimff |
| 15:35.42 | Kirkburn | lol, you're still hobinheimff |
| 15:35.44 | Apollozeus | :p |
| 15:35.46 | Apollozeus | ah |
| 15:35.47 | Hobinheimff | f tihs |
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| 15:36.08 | Apollozeus | f tihs |
| 15:36.11 | Apollozeus | :D that's great |
| 15:36.15 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 15:36.21 | Apollozeus | that's the new "IM IN UR AKOUNT SHARDING UR PURPLZ |
| 15:36.23 | Apollozeus | " |
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| 15:36.55 | Hobinheim | testing... |
| 15:37.22 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 15:37.31 | amro | Hobinheim: just do /nick Hobinheim next time |
| 15:37.35 | Tepetkhet | im in ur irc...stealin ur nick? |
| 15:37.41 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Hobinheim] by ChanServ |
| 15:37.43 | Apollozeus | haha |
| 15:37.44 | Hobinheim | jerks... |
| 15:38.27 | Apollozeus | dude chill out, he was just kidding |
| 15:38.54 | Hobinheim | no i meant all of irc. jerks. |
| 15:39.08 | equiraptor | Thanks, Hobinheim. We love you, too. |
| 15:39.09 | Hobinheim | the world doesn't revolve around you, son. don't think i'm giving you the honor of being a jerk |
| 15:39.19 | Tepetkhet | Son? |
| 15:39.46 | Tepetkhet | Ow! My eyes...the spirit! AUUUGH! |
| 15:39.46 | Hobinheim | =) |
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| 15:50.34 | Apollozeus | how do you mean pms'ing... >_>; |
| 15:50.41 | Apollozeus | jeez |
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| 16:10.50 | dok3Dal | Hi |
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| 16:11.10 | Hobinheim | christ, still no wiki... |
| 16:11.42 | Apollozeus | play some wow :p |
| 16:12.11 | dok3Dal | it works for me but very slow |
| 16:16.31 | Tepetkhet | Depending on which side of the pond you're on, I thought servers were down for maintenance right now. |
| 16:16.32 | Apollozeus | so slow my browser usually times out before it can load a page |
| 16:16.35 | Tepetkhet | So no WoW...and no wiki. |
| 16:17.33 | equiraptor | Any chance wowwiki is geting big enough to be feeling the added load from the realms being down? |
| 16:17.40 | equiraptor | And that's causing the slowdown? |
| 16:19.44 | Hobinheim | i'm at work, no wow to play, although one of my friends did suggest installing it... |
| 16:20.09 | Hobinheim | lol "i can't play wow so let me just read about it" |
| 16:20.17 | Hobinheim | if it happens every tuesday, then maybe we can call it something |
| 16:20.30 | Tepetkhet | hm |
| 16:20.34 | Hobinheim | great, i got a half page load... |
| 16:20.40 | equiraptor | It could also be that the load is higher because kids aren't back in school yet. |
| 16:20.44 | Tepetkhet | I think I should get one. |
| 16:20.52 | Tepetkhet | Oh, schools around here are back in session. |
| 16:21.39 | Hobinheim | "You've been maintenance tuesday-dotted." |
| 16:21.39 | Hobinheim | what do they call it when a page has been dugg? the digg effect? |
| 16:21.39 | equiraptor | Well, first there was the slashdot effect. |
| 16:21.45 | equiraptor | And I suspect people still just call it the slashdot effect, even if it's digg / another site that spawns it. |
| 16:22.24 | Hobinheim | "MAI SURVER IS DOWN" |
| 16:22.42 | Hobinheim | there was a guild named <Our Server Is Down" on an RPPvP server |
| 16:24.35 | Hobinheim | we can call it Intercept Tuesday because the server is Stunned. Get it? |
| 16:24.36 | Hobinheim | =) |
| 16:24.57 | Tepetkhet | Darned warriors... |
| 16:25.04 | Hobinheim | i was thinking of my felguard |
| 16:25.12 | mahtov | omg a warlock |
| 16:25.16 | Tepetkhet | noooooooooooo |
| 16:25.27 | Hobinheim | i was thinking of speccing beast mastery and calling them like Mittens and Snookums and Snowflake |
| 16:26.21 | Hobinheim | i'm demonology, i lack burst and dot damage |
| 16:26.35 | Hobinheim | i'm just harty |
| 16:26.39 | mahtov | i'm affliction... its sexy |
| 16:26.47 | Hobinheim | it does sound sexy |
| 16:27.01 | Hobinheim | but i just realized that time is a requirement. in some situations, you just can't afford yourself time |
| 16:27.03 | Tepetkhet | me is just an unsexy undead rogue. |
| 16:27.06 | Tepetkhet | er /me |
| 16:27.08 | Hobinheim | but that's far and few between |
| 16:27.16 | mahtov | this is true |
| 16:29.34 | Hobinheim | **hearty |
| 16:29.55 | Hobinheim | sometimes i wonder what it would be like to respec, but then i'd have to change up my bars n shit... =( |
| 16:30.04 | Hobinheim | i'm already having the worst time remembering my keys now |
| 16:30.05 | mahtov | i'm usually top overhealing in raids now. i never lifetap |
| 16:30.26 | Hobinheim | can't get it out fast enough eh? hahaha |
| 16:30.39 | mahtov | i dark pact |
| 16:30.55 | Kirkburn|afk | I was gonna say, how the hell does a warlock heal? |
| 16:31.04 | Hobinheim | i never really understood how afflic/nightfall works |
| 16:31.09 | Hobinheim | so you dot something up and then what? |
| 16:31.36 | mahtov | in raids i go... coe/s/a depending, UA, corr, siphon life, drain life |
| 16:31.37 | equiraptor | I love siphon life. |
| 16:31.51 | mahtov | shadowbolt when nightfall prcs |
| 16:31.53 | mahtov | procs* |
| 16:32.06 | mahtov | dark pact when i feel the urge |
| 16:32.24 | Tepetkhet | Uh... |
| 16:32.45 | mahtov | in PvP i try to open with UA so i don't get stuck standing still |
| 16:32.56 | Tepetkhet | Ambush...backstab...sinister strike...slice & dice...backstab...sinister strike sinister strike sinister strike eviscerate... |
| 16:33.09 | Kirkburn|afk | I declare this No-Wiki day! :( |
| 16:33.23 | Tepetkhet | Can we declare it no-worki day instead? |
| 16:33.32 | mahtov | i'm 41/10/0 so i'm imp bitch spec'd |
| 16:33.33 | equiraptor | heh |
| 16:33.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, why not :P |
| 16:33.54 | equiraptor | Hrm... A question.... |
| 16:34.15 | equiraptor | Level 42 warlock, currently in the enchanted gold bloodrobe. Should I stick with it, or make myself the shadoweave robe, or make the dreamweave robe? |
| 16:34.33 | equiraptor | I love +damage. With my current play style, I'm never low on health or mana. |
| 16:34.47 | Hobinheim | wait if you have incoming heals why would you dark pact? |
| 16:35.02 | Hobinheim | i dunno maybe i have bias against subjecting your pet to such behaviors =P |
| 16:35.11 | mahtov | its still quite easy to pull aggro |
| 16:35.19 | Hobinheim | uhh i ugess whatever stats you deam important |
| 16:35.32 | Hobinheim | i usually go by item level if i'm stumped, i like my gear shiney |
| 16:35.38 | Hobinheim | stamina and int a high premium |
| 16:35.40 | equiraptor | Heh |
| 16:35.51 | Tepetkhet | My gear is getting shinier. |
| 16:36.05 | Hobinheim | but yeah those warlock only gear at certain levels seem stacked for the ilevel, it's hard to switch |
| 16:36.05 | mahtov | even with the stupid talent. with my luck i'd life tap to 50% and my next tic of drain life would pull aggro |
| 16:36.14 | equiraptor | Well, I've learned that +damage, and especially +shadow, is really valuable for me as an affliction / drain tank leveling 'lock. |
| 16:36.34 | Hobinheim | are you using up a lot of mana has affliction? i'm under the impression no |
| 16:36.44 | equiraptor | Not that i'm not getting back. |
| 16:36.59 | equiraptor | I mean, yeah, I use mana, but I'm life tapping and dark-pact-ing and staying with a nice full bar. |
| 16:37.17 | Hobinheim | i dunno my main point is that i never even thought of not using shadowbolt as a spammer spell. i.e. affliction really does change your playstlye (shadowbolt only when nightfall procs) |
| 16:37.25 | Tepetkhet | I always end up saving my profile when I'm mounted in town and showing off my raptor mount... |
| 16:37.32 | equiraptor | I mix life tap and dark pact between battles to leave my succy with a bit of mana for her lash of pain. I put my dots and then drain life to finish off mobs. |
| 16:37.37 | Tepetkhet | So my profiles always show my carrot on a stick trinket. |
| 16:37.47 | Tepetkhet | http://www.thenoobsquad.com/wowroster/char.php?name=Tepetkhet&server=Khaz%20Modan |
| 16:37.49 | equiraptor | So I always end battle at full health and... I'd say about 2/3 full mana, unless something goes wrong. |
| 16:38.15 | Hobinheim | the regen rate for demonic sacrifice is pretty sick |
| 16:38.20 | Hobinheim | it's percentage based too |
| 16:38.37 | equiraptor | Hrm. I just realized... If I'm doing more damage, mobs will die faster and I'll have less time to drain life. I frequently barely get one in, now. |
| 16:38.38 | mahtov | well, especially without ruin/bane/isb... spamming shadowbolts just isn't really worth it |
| 16:38.40 | equiraptor | Hrm..... |
| 16:38.41 | Hobinheim | i guess demonic sacrifice really only makes sense when your pet is about to die and you can't resummon in time or you're using enslaved demons |
| 16:38.43 | mahtov | and yes i know, i love DS |
| 16:39.02 | Hobinheim | i dunno i'm so ignorant. i'm all up in demonology |
| 16:39.05 | Hobinheim | like ALL up in it |
| 16:39.12 | Hobinheim | so i'm really not good at anything |
| 16:39.17 | mahtov | i've only been as high as DS in demo |
| 16:39.19 | Hobinheim | "dying slower" i guess |
| 16:39.42 | Hobinheim | i really like using pets |
| 16:39.43 | Hobinheim | they're fun |
| 16:39.44 | mahtov | started as SM/ruin, went to DS/ruin... then conflag for a day... back to DS/Ruin... now i'm all affliction |
| 16:40.22 | mahtov | when i hit 61 i might go back to destruction because i really missing shadowburn in pvp |
| 16:40.27 | mahtov | er |
| 16:40.29 | mahtov | i really miss |
| 16:40.57 | Hobinheim | so shadowburn is like an instant blast at the cost of a shard? |
| 16:41.03 | Hobinheim | is there a cooldown? |
| 16:41.30 | mahtov | its a 15 second CD... costs a shard but if the mob dies within 5 seconds you get the shard back |
| 16:41.36 | mahtov | supposed to be buffed to 30 seconds in BC |
| 16:41.47 | mahtov | it does a little less damage than a shadowbolt |
| 16:42.09 | Hobinheim | buffed? |
| 16:42.15 | Hobinheim | nerfed. |
| 16:42.31 | Hobinheim | 30 sec cd is like a penalty |
| 16:42.39 | mahtov | no no |
| 16:42.44 | mahtov | 15 second cooldown still |
| 16:42.45 | equiraptor | 30 seconds to get the shard |
| 16:42.49 | Hobinheim | oh HOT |
| 16:42.52 | mahtov | heh |
| 16:43.05 | Hobinheim | ever play final fantasy xii? |
| 16:43.15 | mahtov | i haven't |
| 16:43.31 | mahtov | i've never played FF at all heh |
| 16:43.38 | Hobinheim | bah |
| 16:43.59 | Hobinheim | i had another idea for a sexy mod... created in the likeness of ff12 |
| 16:44.26 | Hobinheim | a lot of mods pre 2.0 used to do stuff for now |
| 16:44.30 | Hobinheim | **for you |
| 16:44.44 | Hobinheim | so my idea is to do the exact same thing, but since all the actions are blocked, make it SUGGEST things to do |
| 16:44.49 | Hobinheim | cuz sometimes you forgot, or you need a coach |
| 16:44.52 | Hobinheim | so it'll be like do this do tihs |
| 16:45.02 | Hobinheim | someone said to call it WoW Wife cuz it nags like my wife |
| 16:45.29 | Hobinheim | the only thing that's stopping me from coding it straight up is my lack of knowledge in the UI dev area. i hate how under documented the blizz api is |
| 16:45.43 | mahtov | heh |
| 16:46.00 | amro`afk | individual functions are documented |
| 16:46.10 | amro`afk | but some things don't behave the way you expect |
| 16:46.30 | amro`afk | and its much harder to code since you have to be ingame to test, and especially if your code depends on events you can't control |
| 16:46.47 | Hobinheim | yeah the testing/feedback environment isn't ideal |
| 16:47.03 | Hobinheim | my biggest hang up is that this mod, in order to be user friendly, requires a fancy UI |
| 16:47.09 | Hobinheim | the actually mechanics of it are peanuts |
| 16:47.12 | Hobinheim | *actual |
| 16:47.37 | Hobinheim | i wish i was a glamerous mod author... |
| 16:47.47 | Hobinheim | then i'd get all the cars and the women |
| 16:48.07 | Hobinheim | flocks of Blood Elf Females would /dance and /flirt with me... |
| 16:48.23 | Hobinheim | and then i would say, no baby, that isn't a mana worm in my pocket... |
| 16:48.49 | mahtov | BE females will do that anyway |
| 16:48.52 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 16:48.53 | mahtov | they will be our nightelves |
| 16:49.03 | Tepetkhet | I already have my mailbox marked. |
| 16:49.14 | Tepetkhet | Been practicing jumping onto it. |
| 16:49.28 | Hobinheim | there should be pole widgets in the game, i'm just saying |
| 16:49.29 | mahtov | i fail at jumping onto mailboxes |
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| 16:50.24 | Kirkburn|afk | I love my level 70 warlock |
| 16:50.39 | Hobinheim | aww you're a warlock too? |
| 16:51.22 | Kirkburn|afk | I never run out of mana or health either :P |
| 16:51.24 | Tepetkhet | I, uh... |
| 16:51.38 | Tepetkhet | Have a level 4 gnome warlock. She soloed the imp quest at level 1. |
| 16:51.44 | Kirkburn|afk | woo |
| 16:52.54 | mahtov | i have 3 gnome warlocks |
| 16:52.58 | mahtov | levels 6, 6, and 7 |
| 16:53.18 | amro`afk | i have like 5 undead priests |
| 16:53.19 | amro`afk | or more |
| 16:53.24 | amro`afk | all <15 |
| 16:53.30 | mahtov | my only priest is a troll |
| 16:53.40 | mahtov | i don't want to get her to 40 because i don't want to buy her a mount |
| 16:53.41 | Kirkburn|afk | I love starting low level chars |
| 16:53.42 | amro`afk | i also have a level 20 human priest |
| 16:53.54 | mahtov | so she is going to hang at level 38 for a while |
| 16:53.56 | amro`afk | yeah kirk, its a lot of fun till you can't level in 15 minutes |
| 16:54.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Exactly |
| 16:54.21 | Tepetkhet | I have a level 30 undead priestess and a level 16 Tauren female druid... |
| 16:54.27 | Kirkburn|afk | I've never got another char past 42, get too bored |
| 16:54.29 | amro`afk | levelling an alt is such a chore, since you won't have friends to group with regularly |
| 16:54.32 | Tepetkhet | But my L60 undead rogue's my main. |
| 16:54.54 | amro`afk | my main now is a 42 ud mage. but i hardly play anymore |
| 16:55.25 | amro`afk | I love grinding out the last 2 rested bubbles, then i see that i have 20 to get to the next level and get discouraged and log |
| 16:56.29 | Tepetkhet | I just do stuff like run out of money from raiding so much. |
| 16:56.45 | equiraptor | I'm so glad I don't raid anymore. |
| 16:56.46 | Hobinheim | i hvae alt itis. i'm stuck at 58 because i don't have the heart to go questing more |
| 16:56.53 | Hobinheim | and i like writing quest guides =( HATE WALKING |
| 16:57.02 | equiraptor | heh |
| 16:57.12 | equiraptor | I need to update my characters page. |
| 16:57.25 | Tepetkhet | We haven't been raiding as much over the holidays. |
| 16:57.36 | Tepetkhet | So I've actually gotten some grinding in and earned a little money. |
| 16:57.37 | mahtov | i don't really ever buy pots or stuff for raiding unless i see a good deal |
| 16:57.56 | Tepetkhet | Which I promptly spent on a Libram of Resilience. |
| 16:58.16 | amro`afk | it sucks to buy a few pots for a raid then wipe because of some idiot |
| 16:58.25 | mahtov | someone put up stacks of FR pots on the AH for 5g a stack yesterday |
| 16:58.40 | Hobinheim | kirk, your thoughts on my quest guide stuff |
| 16:58.52 | Hobinheim | i've been thinking of moving it somewhere else, but i can't think of a good name |
| 16:58.57 | Hobinheim | <zone> quest guide |
| 16:59.17 | Tepetkhet | quest guide: <zone> |
| 16:59.32 | Hobinheim | aparently there's a famous to-60 quest guide shared around... starts with a J can't remember the name |
| 16:59.40 | Tepetkhet | yeah |
| 16:59.43 | amro`afk | Joanna's |
| 16:59.47 | Hobinheim | like Jaheim's Quest Guide |
| 16:59.48 | Hobinheim | there you go |
| 16:59.55 | amro`afk | its for horde |
| 16:59.56 | Hobinheim | who is she lol |
| 17:00.11 | Tepetkhet | James? |
| 17:00.12 | Hobinheim | that's essentially what i'm doing, but for wowwiki |
| 17:00.12 | Tepetkhet | maybe |
| 17:00.16 | amro`afk | some guy who spent the past couple of years being the first to hit 60 on new realms |
| 17:00.21 | amro`afk | either as joanna or mancow |
| 17:00.50 | foxlit | Can't call Button:GetFontString(); before Button:SetText("meh")? |
| 17:00.59 | foxlit | hm, wrong channel, sorry. |
| 17:01.16 | equiraptor | https://equiraptor.com/WoW/characters.html That's my current character list. |
| 17:01.26 | equiraptor | I have a nasty case of altitis. |
| 17:02.10 | Hobinheim | a bit much |
| 17:02.11 | Tepetkhet | oh |
| 17:02.12 | Tepetkhet | http://www.joanasworld.com/ |
| 17:02.14 | Tepetkhet | There it was. |
| 17:03.45 | amro`afk | the videos are up on google |
| 17:04.01 | Hobinheim | lol pwned |
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| 17:04.12 | amro`afk | but that's not really needed, the quest guide is nice but if you break off from following it wont help you much |
| 17:04.41 | Hobinheim | also known as an OCDers checklist |
| 17:04.45 | Hobinheim | mostly in console games |
| 17:04.58 | Hobinheim | ZOMG DON'T MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GRIND FOR 12 HOURS TO GET SWORD OF MIGHT AT LEVEL 2 |
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| 17:05.58 | Hobinheim | whoa whoa what mods is she using in that video |
| 17:06.13 | amro`afk | no idea |
| 17:06.15 | amro`afk | never watched it |
| 17:06.21 | Hobinheim | wow she is going nuts |
| 17:06.29 | Hobinheim | engaging combat and still changing her ui |
| 17:06.32 | Hobinheim | *his |
| 17:06.48 | amro`afk | speedrunning |
| 17:06.52 | amro`afk | not a second to waste |
| 17:07.01 | amro`afk | he got 60 in like 4 days |
| 17:07.16 | amro`afk | and he claims he can level to 60 in 1 RL week |
| 17:07.28 | Hobinheim | w/e my guide is better than his =) |
| 17:07.36 | amro`afk | lol |
| 17:07.49 | amro`afk | i dont know how he does it. I can speedrun mario, but wow takes way too long |
| 17:07.52 | Hobinheim | i've done the valley of trials like... 12 times by now |
| 17:08.07 | Hobinheim | i'm starting to develop a phobia of new zones |
| 17:08.23 | amro`afk | a lot of zones suck |
| 17:08.29 | amro`afk | blizzard needs to fix the quest gaps |
| 17:09.40 | amro`afk | usually X0 levels |
| 17:09.40 | equiraptor | Blizzard needs to fix the 40s for alliance. |
| 17:11.06 | Kirkburn | Hopefully I have finally fixed my internet connection! :) |
| 17:11.22 | Kirkburn | Go on, just you dare ... |
| 17:12.15 | Kirkburn | There's only 7 people here who can really do that :P |
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| 17:12.35 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 17:14.23 | Tepetkhet | gee |
| 17:14.48 | Tepetkhet | I wonder... |
| 17:14.48 | Tepetkhet | With a speedlevelling guide like that, though. |
| 17:14.56 | Tepetkhet | I would probably be level 60 and broke and in crap gear. |
| 17:15.13 | Hobinheim | i heard rogues level fast |
| 17:15.17 | Tepetkhet | meh |
| 17:15.23 | Hobinheim | uhh i've been playing a rogue up to echo isles and i have to say i hate it |
| 17:15.26 | Tepetkhet | Hunters are faster, I think. |
| 17:15.27 | Hobinheim | the whole stealth bullshit |
| 17:15.31 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 17:15.34 | Hobinheim | and handling an add is like a mage you're like ZOMG NO |
| 17:15.41 | Tepetkhet | yup |
| 17:15.51 | Hobinheim | i dunno i've never been more in love with a skill than charge |
| 17:16.00 | Hobinheim | it's probably my favorite ability |
| 17:16.01 | Tepetkhet | I am not a very good player. |
| 17:16.06 | Tepetkhet | I am left-handed. |
| 17:16.13 | Tepetkhet | And my keyboard/mouse layout sucks. |
| 17:16.20 | Tepetkhet | My keyboard doesn't have a keypad. |
| 17:16.45 | Tepetkhet | Plus, I get about 2 to 4 fps in Molten Core and in BGs. |
| 17:16.47 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 17:16.51 | Tepetkhet | And I suck. |
| 17:17.05 | Tepetkhet | I played MUDs before. |
| 17:17.14 | *** join/#wowwiki Adys (n=Miranda@APoitiers-256-1-90-116.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:17.14 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Adys] by ChanServ |
| 17:17.20 | Tepetkhet | But never really got into FPS or any other MMO. |
| 17:17.21 | amro`afk | [18:15] <Hobinheim> and handling an add is like a mage you're like ZOMG NO |
| 17:17.24 | amro`afk | what? |
| 17:17.29 | amro`afk | i love adds |
| 17:17.31 | amro`afk | aoe ftw |
| 17:17.34 | Adys | Amro btw |
| 17:17.52 | Adys | when you copypaste boilerplates try removing the <!-- comments --> |
| 17:18.03 | Adys | they make the source unreadable>< |
| 17:18.05 | amro`afk | i thought i got all of them >< |
| 17:18.24 | Hobinheim | amro what are you? |
| 17:18.45 | amro`afk | mage |
| 17:18.47 | Hobinheim | also, we're talking like < level 10 here, not many classes have aoe by then |
| 17:18.54 | Hobinheim | ugh i hate how mages run around a lot i hate that! |
| 17:18.54 | amro`afk | oh |
| 17:18.58 | Hobinheim | warlock = sit back |
| 17:19.09 | amro`afk | now i just spam frostbolt for solo fights |
| 17:19.15 | amro`afk | and spam arcane explosion for aoe |
| 17:19.31 | equiraptor | heh |
| 17:19.45 | equiraptor | My 47 mage is frost spec'd, and she just spams frostbolt... |
| 17:19.55 | equiraptor | If she gets an add, it's frost nova, then more frostbolt spam. |
| 17:20.22 | equiraptor | i'm pretty careful about pulling, though, and only tend to get more adds than that if I use a fear, which isn't really a problem for the mage. :) |
| 17:20.40 | Adys | err |
| 17:20.42 | amro`afk | i see lots of pages with redundant links to the same article. I'm not sure how wowwiki handles this, shouldn't there be one link to a certain article per page? |
| 17:20.52 | Adys | Yeah amro first one |
| 17:20.55 | Adys | but doesnt really matter |
| 17:21.06 | Adys | if its item pages leave them btw |
| 17:21.17 | amro`afk | ok |
| 17:21.19 | Adys | i think we gonna totally revamp item pages very soon |
| 17:21.45 | amro`afk | im considering a script to generate mediawiki markup for item pages from alla |
| 17:23.05 | Hobinheim | uhh don't do that |
| 17:23.10 | Hobinheim | or if you do, it'll be in vein |
| 17:23.11 | Hobinheim | i mean, you can |
| 17:23.18 | Hobinheim | i dunno, we're working on something for our own site |
| 17:23.24 | Hobinheim | little wowwiki item db de jour |
| 17:23.27 | Hobinheim | w/e |
| 17:24.22 | amro`afk | oh |
| 17:25.15 | Kirkburn | Adys, how? |
| 17:25.23 | Adys | mm? |
| 17:25.29 | Kirkburn | Revamp? |
| 17:25.40 | Adys | i think we gonna get rid of the line of text near the icon |
| 17:26.09 | amro`afk | i was thinking about that, it looks ugly |
| 17:26.10 | Adys | its the most useless line of text in every page :P |
| 17:26.51 | amro`afk | is the plural of enchanting formula be formulae or formulas? |
| 17:27.04 | Adys | both are ok i think |
| 17:27.14 | Hobinheim | formulas.... no need to get fancy |
| 17:27.18 | amro`afk | yeah, but consistency is good |
| 17:27.24 | Hobinheim | so what's this thing you're doing to icons, lemme see? |
| 17:27.25 | mahtov | amro... are you a mage? |
| 17:27.28 | Adys | Id go with Formilas |
| 17:27.34 | amro`afk | currently yes |
| 17:27.41 | Adys | Formulas even |
| 17:27.48 | amro`afk | formulae is used in scientific context |
| 17:27.58 | amro`afk | depends if you consider enchanting scientific |
| 17:28.16 | amro`afk | transmutations too |
| 17:28.19 | amro`afk | ill go with formulas |
| 17:31.11 | Apollozeus | bleh |
| 17:31.25 | Apollozeus | to hell with wowwiki's slowness/downness |
| 17:31.31 | Adys | same here apo |
| 17:32.03 | Apollozeus | ah, but consistency is good |
| 17:32.03 | Apollozeus | <@Hobinheim> so what's this thing you're doing to icons, lemme see? |
| 17:32.03 | Apollozeus | <mahtov> amro... are you a mage? |
| 17:32.03 | Apollozeus | <@Adys> Id go with Formilas |
| 17:32.03 | Apollozeus | <amro`afk> currently yes |
| 17:32.03 | Apollozeus | * mahtov giggles |
| 17:32.05 | Apollozeus | <@Adys> Formulas even |
| 17:32.07 | Apollozeus | err |
| 17:32.12 | Apollozeus | sorry for that |
| 17:32.15 | mahtov | heh |
| 17:38.10 | equiraptor | Putty likes to do that to me. |
| 17:39.02 | Kirkburn | Formulae! Grr |
| 17:53.10 | Hobinheim | putty wtf? |
| 17:53.12 | Hobinheim | where are you chatting |
| 17:53.31 | Kirkburn | In his head ;) |
| 17:53.41 | equiraptor | Hrm? |
| 17:53.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | GAH! |
| 17:53.51 | equiraptor | You know what PuTTY is? |
| 17:53.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | can you PLEASE bring the wiki back up? |
| 17:54.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | yes, it's a linux program to access your server |
| 17:54.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | (or was it dos? >.>) |
| 17:54.15 | equiraptor | Not quite. |
| 17:54.20 | equiraptor | PuTTY is an ssh client for Windows. |
| 17:54.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | oO |
| 17:54.33 | equiraptor | It's used to access *nix machines through SSH, but it runs on Windows. |
| 17:54.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | yeah >.> |
| 17:54.55 | equiraptor | I leave my IRC client running on my FreeBSD server all the time. When the machine I'm at is in OS X, I ssh to the server through Terminal.app. |
| 17:54.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | that's where the linux came from XD |
| 17:55.04 | equiraptor | When I'm on Windows, I SSH to it through PuTTY. |
| 17:55.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | I used it for a while, untill I discovered that it was compeltely not necessary |
| 17:55.36 | equiraptor | How so? |
| 17:55.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | wll |
| 17:55.47 | equiraptor | "wll"? |
| 17:55.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | there are many better programs to do it |
| 17:55.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | well* |
| 17:55.53 | equiraptor | ah. |
| 17:55.58 | equiraptor | That depends on your use. |
| 17:56.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | not quite |
| 17:56.04 | equiraptor | I haven't found any better, for me, and I've looked. |
| 17:56.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | Well, if you use it just for access to files |
| 17:56.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | even Explorer is better XD |
| 17:56.33 | equiraptor | How on earth is Explorer better? |
| 17:56.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | the lack of a decent UI in PuTTy is what kept me off from it |
| 17:56.38 | equiraptor | Explorer can't ssh to my server. |
| 17:56.48 | equiraptor | Ah. I don't care about UI. |
| 17:56.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | I could ssh to my server at least |
| 17:57.05 | equiraptor | Hell, when I ran Linux on my desktop, I only used a GUI so I could have more shells open. :) |
| 17:57.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | and UI is a lot easier when working with files |
| 17:57.18 | equiraptor | See, I don't use PuTTY for working with files. |
| 17:57.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | ^^ |
| 17:57.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | uses :p |
| 17:57.31 | equiraptor | I've found much better scp-based software for that, and it is GUI based / with GUI tools. |
| 17:57.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | either way |
| 17:57.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | why is the wiki down? |
| 17:57.39 | equiraptor | I just use it as a dumb shell. |
| 17:57.46 | equiraptor | From what I've read in here, they don't know. |
| 17:57.50 | equiraptor | And it's not down. |
| 17:57.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | oOµ |
| 17:57.54 | equiraptor | It's effectively slashdotted. |
| 17:57.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | imagine |
| 17:58.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | rustak deciding that it's no use keeping it up anymore... |
| 18:00.19 | *** join/#wowwiki naril (n=opera@89.31.40.123) |
| 18:06.30 | Apollozeus | hmm... well |
| 18:06.45 | Apollozeus | the domain name will stay registered until 2010 |
| 18:07.04 | Apollozeus | so all he needs to know is give us the mysql database, so we can move the site somewhere else |
| 18:07.13 | Apollozeus | know=do |
| 18:13.14 | amro`afk | that's going to be one big backup gile |
| 18:13.15 | amro`afk | file |
| 18:15.00 | Apollozeus | it is |
| 18:15.44 | Apollozeus | so let's hope we can talk him into becoming active once again |
| 18:15.46 | Apollozeus | <_< |
| 18:15.57 | Apollozeus | if there's still any hope for that |
| 18:17.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | but where is he?! |
| 18:17.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | Can ANYONE contact him? XD |
| 18:19.01 | Apollozeus | we could try his private email address :) |
| 18:19.14 | Apollozeus | which he used to signup for the wowwiki.com domain |
| 18:19.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | why haven't we done that yet? |
| 18:19.56 | Apollozeus | I don't know |
| 18:20.10 | Apollozeus | maybe it has been done |
| 18:20.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | maybe noone has thought oif it? oO |
| 18:20.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | do it! |
| 18:20.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | brb |
| 18:22.01 | Apollozeus | ok, I'll write something |
| 18:23.00 | amro`afk | the wiki is so slow i'd get the data faster if i ran to wherever the server is |
| 18:23.16 | Apollozeus | XD |
| 18:28.02 | Apollozeus | hmm |
| 18:28.20 | Apollozeus | D: good ideas are usually born out of boredom though |
| 18:28.56 | *** join/#wowwiki dok3Dal (n=dok@AStrasbourg-251-1-95-10.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:33.00 | Kirkburn | Heh: http://people.sissa.it/~mazzu/us_map.gif |
| 18:33.19 | Adys | lol |
| 18:33.37 | Adys | Yurop ftw |
| 18:46.08 | Apollozeus | :( that makes my european heart cry |
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| 19:04.06 | Hobinheim | it's true |
| 19:04.09 | Hobinheim | that map |
| 19:05.31 | equiraptor | "With their... er... cigars!" |
| 19:05.32 | equiraptor | HAHA |
| 19:06.35 | Hobinheim | is the wiki still not working |
| 19:07.11 | equiraptor | Yeah, still behaving like it's slashdotted. |
| 19:07.19 | equiraptor | I suppose I should say still acting DoS'd. |
| 19:11.23 | equiraptor | Because WoWWiki isn't dead. |
| 19:11.43 | equiraptor | You can't res something that's at 1% health, with HoTs ticking just enough to keep it from dying... |
| 19:14.53 | *** join/#wowwiki Trae (n=october@ip24-252-207-46.mc.at.cox.net) |
| 19:14.56 | Trae | yeee haw |
| 19:15.10 | Trae | heh, I'm already on freenode, so this works out great |
| 19:15.10 | equiraptor | Easy there, cowboy. |
| 19:15.16 | Trae | equiraptor, ;) |
| 19:15.21 | equiraptor | :) |
| 19:16.12 | Trae | is this for everyone to use so they can talk about WoW while at work so you don't get the shakes? |
| 19:16.14 | Trae | lol |
| 19:16.27 | equiraptor | I dunno, but that's pretty much why I'm here. ;) |
| 19:16.31 | Trae | nod |
| 19:16.40 | Trae | wowwiki++ btw |
| 19:16.42 | Trae | awesome site |
| 19:16.43 | equiraptor | I've seen a lot of wiki specific stuff go by, though. So it's certainly wiki specific discussion, as well. |
| 19:16.54 | Trae | ahh |
| 19:17.04 | Trae | I'm a wow noobie |
| 19:17.12 | equiraptor | Yay! |
| 19:17.15 | Trae | started in October, L56 Shadow Priest on Doomhammer |
| 19:17.30 | equiraptor | I love getting my hands on WoW newbies and trying to taint them with my perspectives of the game! |
| 19:17.39 | Trae | hah |
| 19:17.42 | Trae | such as? |
| 19:17.43 | equiraptor | I've been playing sinch March 13, um... 2005? I think? |
| 19:17.53 | Hobinheim | i totally thought you guys were here for the wiki |
| 19:18.00 | Trae | Hobinheim, haha |
| 19:18.15 | Trae | I love to use the wiki that's for sure |
| 19:18.38 | Trae | best wow resource IMHO |
| 19:18.39 | *** join/#wowwiki Krain (n=michaelc@198.164.252.44) |
| 19:18.43 | equiraptor | I'm here because I saw the info on the channel and thought I'd come see what it was like. :) |
| 19:19.00 | equiraptor | Then I got to work. Idle, idle, idle... Get to work, start talking. ;) |
| 19:19.18 | mahtov | (14:20:30) Trae: is this for everyone to use so they can talk about WoW while at work so you don't get the shakes? ----> yes |
| 19:19.24 | Trae | some instances don't list a "phat loot" section |
| 19:19.39 | Hobinheim | i'm happy to hear you like wowwiki |
| 19:19.47 | Hobinheim | i've only recently became an admin |
| 19:19.51 | Trae | nice |
| 19:20.05 | Hobinheim | yeah we're eventually working on consistency guidelines, that the place just don't got phat loot |
| 19:20.15 | Trae | ahh |
| 19:20.24 | Hobinheim | it's a never ending work in progress |
| 19:20.41 | Trae | man I can appreciate the amount of work that goes into something like that |
| 19:20.56 | equiraptor | It's the nature of a wiki - always evolving. |
| 19:21.02 | equiraptor | Which is really quite fitting for an MMO. |
| 19:21.22 | Trae | ok, newbie question: http://occy.net/tmp/big_healthbars.png where can I get big healthbars like that? |
| 19:21.43 | Hobinheim | i think our most ambitious long term project to date would be database-izing our items so we're more like thottbot or alla |
| 19:21.57 | Hobinheim | my knee jerk response would be ag_unitframes |
| 19:22.14 | Trae | wish I knew where I got that video... |
| 19:22.42 | Trae | it's got a crazy song with it. Techno like... that repeats "I can feel you reaching deeper and deeper into my soul" |
| 19:22.43 | Trae | heh |
| 19:22.57 | Trae | I can post the song if anyone wants to hear it |
| 19:23.19 | Trae | I ripped it from the avi (the avi is a bit too big to post) |
| 19:24.29 | Hobinheim | so equi where did you hear about this room? |
| 19:24.41 | equiraptor | http://wowwiki.com |
| 19:25.20 | equiraptor | Really. I noticed the IRC mention on the front page one day. Either that or Tepetkhet did, and mentioned it. Tepetkhet and I (and mahtov, and maybe some others) are on the allakhazam IRC channel. |
| 19:25.53 | Trae | equiraptor, same here |
| 19:25.57 | Trae | I just saw it on the page |
| 19:26.08 | Trae | I had been somewhat visint wowradio irc |
| 19:26.16 | Trae | but it seems non Wow specific |
| 19:27.11 | Hobinheim | what's the alla channel |
| 19:27.13 | Hobinheim | are they cooler than us |
| 19:27.16 | Hobinheim | what do they talk about |
| 19:27.29 | equiraptor | Everything but WoW. And it's all my fault. ;) |
| 19:27.39 | equiraptor | It's on irc.allakhazam.com/#wow |
| 19:27.58 | Hobinheim | ugh |
| 19:28.03 | Hobinheim | another server.. |
| 19:28.05 | Hobinheim | i already hate irc |
| 19:28.09 | Trae | surprised this channel has been let slipped thorugh via freenode staff |
| 19:28.12 | equiraptor | There are a few of us that are nearly always there, and we chat not only about WoW but about our daily lives, too. :) |
| 19:28.18 | Hobinheim | what do you mean slipped through |
| 19:28.22 | Trae | well |
| 19:28.27 | Trae | it's not about software development |
| 19:28.28 | Trae | :) |
| 19:28.31 | Hobinheim | zing |
| 19:28.36 | Trae | lol |
| 19:28.38 | equiraptor | Wow, I think I'm only on 5 irc servers right now. |
| 19:28.40 | Hobinheim | it's about a wiki, we get some in depth stuff in here |
| 19:28.45 | Trae | nod |
| 19:28.48 | Trae | hey I'm all for it |
| 19:29.04 | Trae | I just wouldn't be surprised to get a knock at the door so to speak |
| 19:29.27 | Hobinheim | Freenode police. Are you talking about softwares? |
| 19:29.50 | Trae | heh |
| 19:29.53 | Hobinheim | put your hands up and your non-software-related goods on the ground where i can see them |
| 19:30.34 | Trae | Anyway, all channels are monitored pretty much. So I'm sure they've seen the channel take off to the freenode admins by now |
| 19:30.41 | Trae | if they haven't said anything perhaps it's all good |
| 19:30.51 | Trae | maybe they play WoW and love wowwiki :) |
| 19:31.16 | Trae | which I wouldn't be surprised at |
| 19:31.26 | equiraptor | Maybe they don't care what we do so long as we're not encouraging illegal activing, causing attacks, or using a lot of resources. ;) |
| 19:31.36 | equiraptor | Er, s/activing/activity/ |
| 19:31.37 | Trae | true |
| 19:31.53 | Trae | Rob Levine was a dear friend of mine. |
| 19:31.56 | Trae | Founded this server |
| 19:32.03 | Hobinheim | zomg are you ancient |
| 19:32.06 | Trae | it's good to see things haven't gone downhill |
| 19:33.06 | Trae | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.25 | Trae | just re-read what I typed |
| 19:33.55 | Hobinheim | just wondering how old that makes you |
| 19:34.12 | Trae | not sure what you mean |
| 19:34.36 | equiraptor | Not necessarily very old. |
| 19:34.57 | equiraptor | A few of my friends knew Rob. One that comes to mind isn't even 30, yet. |
| 19:35.12 | Hobinheim | well to found a popular, and i'm guessing old, IRC server.... you've gotta be like what 30 |
| 19:35.18 | Hobinheim | like an adult and not a kid |
| 19:35.19 | Trae | yeah... a lot of peeps here 10 years ago were 12-16 |
| 19:35.25 | Trae | but... I'm 38 |
| 19:35.26 | Trae | heh |
| 19:35.29 | Hobinheim | aha |
| 19:35.33 | Trae | :P |
| 19:35.40 | Hobinheim | see i have this thing about asuming everyone is my age. and i'm not 38 |
| 19:35.55 | Hobinheim | my age is NaN |
| 19:35.56 | equiraptor | So how old are you? :) |
| 19:35.58 | equiraptor | Hah |
| 19:36.26 | Trae | You can pretty much tell somoens age ore rough thereabouts by how they carry themselves |
| 19:36.43 | Hobinheim | untrue, i've been told i act older than i am. i sorta agree, sometimes |
| 19:36.44 | Hobinheim | i'm 22 |
| 19:36.50 | equiraptor | heh |
| 19:36.56 | Trae | I act 12 |
| 19:36.57 | Trae | heh |
| 19:37.02 | Hobinheim | and completely upset i'm stuck at work trying to fix code |
| 19:37.06 | Trae | so I would almost be inclined to agree with you |
| 19:37.07 | Hobinheim | are any of you IT professinoals |
| 19:37.07 | Trae | ;) |
| 19:37.12 | equiraptor | I look about 14, people who've only known me on IRC think I'm in my mid-30s, and I'm actually 24. :) |
| 19:37.19 | Trae | I do CSS / Graphic Design |
| 19:37.20 | Trae | heh |
| 19:37.21 | equiraptor | er... Define IT professional. |
| 19:37.25 | equiraptor | I break computers for a living. |
| 19:37.36 | Hobinheim | you are "IT" you think geek jokes are funny |
| 19:37.44 | Hobinheim | you know, IT tendencies |
| 19:37.49 | equiraptor | Heh, don't have to be a professional for that. ;) |
| 19:37.50 | Hobinheim | as opposed to CSS, which i used to do at my last job |
| 19:37.53 | Hobinheim | heh |
| 19:37.53 | Trae | wowwiki seems down fwiw |
| 19:38.04 | equiraptor | Yeah, it's acting like it's DoS'd, for me. |
| 19:38.12 | Hobinheim | yeah i don't know if you know this but we really don't admin wowwiki like the thing itself |
| 19:38.17 | equiraptor | Timeouts, sometimes a partial page load, sometimes a page will actually load. |
| 19:38.20 | Hobinheim | we're admins of the wiki to the highest degree, but not of the dot come |
| 19:38.23 | Hobinheim | *com |
| 19:38.42 | equiraptor | You don't manage the servers (OS/hardware). |
| 19:38.45 | Hobinheim | if you get my drift. so we're lacking and the wiki isn't as shiny as we'd wnat to be |
| 19:39.06 | Hobinheim | not even that, we just don't have access to the web space |
| 19:39.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | so you want someone to hack the server to ninja the mysql database and to put it on a new server? |
| 19:39.18 | Hobinheim | we've been thinking about holding the wiki hostage until the admin complies to our demands |
| 19:39.19 | equiraptor | heh |
| 19:39.48 | equiraptor | Sometimes, I wish I had a server that was actually capable of hosting more than my own crap. |
| 19:40.54 | Hobinheim | where is your server located? |
| 19:41.12 | equiraptor | In our house. |
| 19:41.16 | Hobinheim | i have this disparity between what i think is someone's PC versus an actual server. i think all servers are like... hosted. by other people. |
| 19:41.36 | equiraptor | It's equiraptor.com. We have a 6mbps down, 768kbps up connection with 10 statics. |
| 19:42.11 | equiraptor | My beau has a colo, as well, but I'm too cheap to pay for one, and I like avoiding the contracts. |
| 19:42.41 | equiraptor | I call my server ridge (it's rivaridge.equiraptor.com), and its current incarnation is a 2.2GHz AMD machine that used to be my desktop. |
| 19:43.22 | Hobinheim | all of what you said is like... |
| 19:43.29 | Hobinheim | i dunno |
| 19:43.38 | Kirkburn|afk | I is 21 |
| 19:44.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, glad you guys saw the notice on the front page |
| 19:44.20 | Kirkburn|afk | I wasn't sure how successful it would be =) |
| 19:44.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Still gotta add more notices around the wiki, too |
| 19:44.50 | Trae | anyone here on Doomhammer? |
| 19:45.00 | mahtov | not me |
| 19:45.03 | Hobinheim | black dragonflight for LYFE |
| 19:45.03 | Trae | heh |
| 19:45.23 | mahtov | lightnings blade for my main |
| 19:45.27 | Hobinheim | although i've been jonesing for mal'ganis |
| 19:45.28 | Trae | I haven't met Notme yet, but I'll be sure and add him to friends |
| 19:45.29 | mahtov | some lowbie alts floating around elsewhere |
| 19:45.30 | Trae | lol |
| 19:45.38 | Hobinheim | has anyone ever heard of goon squad? |
| 19:45.44 | Hobinheim | or play in our battlegroup? |
| 19:50.20 | amro`afk | rings a bell |
| 19:50.26 | amro`afk | might've been gank squad though |
| 19:54.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | GAH, GIVE ME MY WOWWIKI BACK >.> |
| 19:54.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'm addicted to it and now I'm BORED! |
| 19:55.01 | equiraptor | eeep |
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| 19:57.00 | mahtov | so talk to other addicts |
| 19:58.31 | Hobinheim | i think wikis are addictive to certain personalities |
| 19:58.36 | Hobinheim | namely those who like to improve things |
| 19:58.49 | Hobinheim | the barrier for access/control is relatively low on a wiki |
| 20:02.03 | equiraptor | You could start mangling things on wikipedia.org... |
| 20:03.18 | Apollozeus | <@Hobinheim> has anyone ever heard of goon squad? <-- goon squad is great |
| 20:03.23 | Apollozeus | I wish they were an european guild |
| 20:03.25 | Hobinheim | i don't likw wikipedia as much as i do wowwiki. i think that's because a lot of the work i do on wowwiki is stuff that should have been done already |
| 20:03.33 | Hobinheim | apollo, how do you know goon squad? |
| 20:03.49 | Apollozeus | read about them on wow news sites |
| 20:03.57 | Hobinheim | wtf where |
| 20:03.57 | Apollozeus | kidnapping flight masters :P |
| 20:04.11 | Apollozeus | don't remember |
| 20:04.23 | amro`afk | kidnapping them |
| 20:04.24 | amro`afk | ? |
| 20:04.42 | Apollozeus | yeah, kiting alliance flightmasters to the barrens |
| 20:05.00 | amro`afk | lawl |
| 20:05.06 | Apollozeus | and keeping them kited for hours |
| 20:05.06 | amro`afk | we just kill them |
| 20:05.24 | Apollozeus | the alliance had to buy some item for 1500 g in a neutral auction house |
| 20:05.26 | equiraptor | I saw an (I think) Ancient Protector in Org the other day. |
| 20:05.52 | amro`afk | what serevr are they on? |
| 20:06.53 | Apollozeus | blizzard eventually put the flight masters back :( |
| 20:07.04 | Apollozeus | server? hmm.. dunno |
| 20:07.44 | Apollozeus | ah |
| 20:07.45 | Apollozeus | Mal'Ganis |
| 20:08.02 | Apollozeus | http://wow.qj.net/WoW-hostage-scenario-Glimpses-of-DK-free-PvP-ing-/pg/49/aid/75864 <-- entire story |
| 20:08.21 | Apollozeus | hmm wait |
| 20:08.25 | Apollozeus | they're also on Kel'thuzad |
| 20:10.56 | Hobinheim | no substitute for the real mal ganis goon squad |
| 20:11.16 | Apollozeus | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1720491750826847718 |
| 20:11.19 | Apollozeus | that is also great |
| 20:12.01 | Hobinheim | LOL noobs whined |
| 20:12.02 | Hobinheim | jerks |
| 20:15.30 | Apollozeus | yeah, but still funny |
| 20:15.49 | Apollozeus | the thread about the flight master kidnapping was also great |
| 20:15.59 | Apollozeus | the hordies whined and the alliance applauded their efforts :P |
| 20:16.15 | amro`afk | Mal'Ganis |
| 20:16.17 | Hobinheim | goon squad is supposedly the largest guild in all of wow; fact supported by wow census |
| 20:16.26 | amro`afk | half my old server transferred there |
| 20:16.39 | Apollozeus | it's Something Aweful's guild |
| 20:16.47 | Apollozeus | that's a pretty big ass community |
| 20:16.48 | Hobinheim | there are a lot of non-goon squad guilds on mal'ganis that are goon squad allies |
| 20:16.55 | Hobinheim | i don't know how they could all stand that server |
| 20:17.00 | Hobinheim | with the queue and casting lag |
| 20:17.00 | amro`afk | im sure PAA is bigger :P |
| 20:17.06 | Hobinheim | paa? |
| 20:17.11 | amro`afk | penny arcade alliance |
| 20:17.20 | Hobinheim | lol i was like uhh the knights of arcadia? |
| 20:17.26 | amro`afk | on dark iron, where the alliance:horde ratio is 500:1 |
| 20:17.36 | amro`afk | they had weird names |
| 20:17.37 | Apollozeus | the name fails though |
| 20:17.43 | Hobinheim | alliance can go suck on a soul shard |
| 20:17.44 | amro`afk | fancy lads |
| 20:17.58 | Apollozeus | anything with 'alliance', 'horde' or 'azeroth' is an instant lose |
| 20:18.14 | amro`afk | they did wipe out horde capitals and crash the server, but its not that fun when there's no resistance |
| 20:18.27 | Apollozeus | I heard about that |
| 20:18.41 | Apollozeus | they killed thrall, and raided on tarren mill in the meantime |
| 20:18.42 | Apollozeus | :P |
| 20:18.53 | mahtov | this group on my server tried to raid org... |
| 20:18.56 | mahtov | they got thrall to 99% |
| 20:19.10 | Apollozeus | 99% left or 99% lost? :P |
| 20:19.15 | mahtov | lol |
| 20:19.16 | mahtov | left |
| 20:19.22 | Apollozeus | XD |
| 20:19.34 | mahtov | then the server crashed |
| 20:19.36 | Apollozeus | that's not really close to a kill ;p |
| 20:20.18 | Hobinheim | at the height of mark of shame, i found that lady sylvannas can summon skeletons |
| 20:20.35 | amro`afk | like she needs em |
| 20:20.42 | amro`afk | she's the hardest racial leader |
| 20:20.46 | Hobinheim | really. |
| 20:20.47 | amro`afk | followed closely by bolvar |
| 20:21.03 | Hobinheim | i dunno, the only change i'm awaiting in the game is the changes that alterac valley supposedly needs |
| 20:21.18 | Hobinheim | i guess i have selective hearing by why am i only hearing about AV balance now |
| 20:21.28 | Hobinheim | like if it was a long standing problem wouldn't blizzard have fixed it |
| 20:21.28 | mahtov | i never said it was close... i said they tried :-P |
| 20:21.31 | Hobinheim | or acknowledged it at least |
| 20:22.02 | mahtov | people need something to cry about |
| 20:22.19 | amro`afk | av should be like what it was supposed to be at first |
| 20:23.12 | Apollozeus | people are always complaining about something |
| 20:23.50 | Apollozeus | if you were to believe all of it, then you would think blizzard didn't hire anyone with an IQ above 70 |
| 20:24.30 | Hobinheim | do you think priests really should have gotten their Champion spells |
| 20:27.30 | Hobinheim | hmm.... reading a thread about how much people like joanna's quest guide... and i could have sworn people posted a downloadable copy somehwere... |
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| 20:29.43 | amro`afk | yes |
| 20:29.44 | amro`afk | i have it |
| 20:29.53 | amro`afk | ill dig up a link for you |
| 20:35.46 | Hobinheim | i see... my source has since tightened up its rules and the guide is no longer avilaable |
| 20:35.49 | Hobinheim | shucks |
| 20:35.57 | Hobinheim | well i did take a look at it for a hot sec, and it was BLEH |
| 20:36.06 | Hobinheim | it looked ugly. i don't know how well it actually performed |
| 20:36.26 | dafire | what's wrong with wowwiki.com ? :( |
| 20:36.26 | amro`afk | its just like: pick up quests x y z go here do this etc |
| 20:36.34 | amro`afk | and it tells you everything |
| 20:36.49 | Hobinheim | i'm intrigued at how much people liked it, and i want to consider doing the same |
| 20:36.50 | amro`afk | dont hearth, run, now hearth, set your hearth here, dont buy skills |
| 20:36.54 | Hobinheim | not to sixty of course, lol i don't care |
| 20:37.04 | Hobinheim | OCD game complete |
| 20:37.10 | Hobinheim | as "complete" as wow will allow |
| 20:38.23 | Hobinheim | i think i've already decided |
| 20:38.30 | Hobinheim | i'm going to delete my quest guide stuff and move it into my user space |
| 20:38.43 | amro`afk | nah |
| 20:39.13 | Hobinheim | someone was complaining that it made the zone pages look ugly, i agree |
| 20:39.18 | amro`afk | yeah |
| 20:39.22 | amro`afk | so put thme in seperate pages |
| 20:40.06 | Hobinheim | my goal would be "zone complete" not necessarily a level to 60 guide |
| 20:40.37 | Hobinheim | speed is not something i'm particularly interested in, unless we're tlaking about minimizing walking distance as a concern second to completing all quests |
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| 20:49.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | can someone ask legendariske why he suddenly ignores me? oO |
| 20:49.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | I mean, he said there was a 60 dwarf rogue, I |
| 20:49.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | GAh, wrong channel >.> |
| 20:49.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | sorry ^^ |
| 20:49.37 | Apollozeus | lolz |
| 20:54.00 | Hobinheim | ... |
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| 20:54.50 | Hobinheim | lol owned, who has access to the guide |
| 20:57.56 | *** part/#wowwiki naril (n=opera@89.31.40.123) |
| 20:58.38 | Apollozeus | http://www.play.com/Games/PC/GENBRW/3-/867778/Joanna_Hall_Step_By_Step_Guide_To_Weight_Loss/Product.html |
| 20:58.39 | Apollozeus | :P |
| 20:59.30 | Hobinheim | wahh wahh |
| 20:59.35 | Hobinheim | ok leaving work soon, laeter |
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| 21:06.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Hullo to the newcomers :) |
| 21:07.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Omg, I can reach the wiki :) |
| 21:07.49 | sancus_ | not so much new :P |
| 21:08.03 | sancus_ | yes I told vlad it was crying |
| 21:08.22 | sancus_ | he beat it with a stick and oddly enough, it stopped |
| 21:08.23 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 21:08.32 | Kirkburn|afk | I had a feeling it was *that* vlad |
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| 21:09.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Seemed too conincidental to get both sancus and someone called vlad joining at the same time :) |
| 21:09.14 | TxTurbo | Greetings! |
| 21:09.19 | spitfire48 | hey |
| 21:09.23 | Jamie[SI] | admin here? :) |
| 21:09.24 | sancus_ | haha |
| 21:09.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Thanks btw |
| 21:09.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Jamie[SI], yes, lots of admins here :) |
| 21:10.21 | TxTurbo | Looks like someone's gonna get an IP ban on the wiki... =/ |
| 21:10.36 | Jamie[SI] | pm kirkburn :) |
| 21:10.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Who? |
| 21:10.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Haha |
| 21:11.01 | Kirkburn|afk | It's on purpose |
| 21:11.12 | TxTurbo | ... it is? |
| 21:11.24 | TxTurbo | ha! Nice new year's joke. =p |
| 21:12.02 | Apollozeus | Kirkburn|afk |
| 21:12.14 | Apollozeus | about time to remove the drunken talk from the frontpage? :P |
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| 21:12.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, probably |
| 21:12.28 | Jamie[SI] | Kirk |
| 21:12.33 | Jamie[SI] | can you view pm's or? |
| 21:12.39 | Kirkburn|afk | No :P |
| 21:12.42 | Jamie[SI] | ah |
| 21:12.44 | Jamie[SI] | silly me lol |
| 21:12.44 | Kirkburn|afk | You need to identify |
| 21:12.44 | Jamie[SI] | well |
| 21:12.49 | Jamie[SI] | You pmed me on wiki |
| 21:12.57 | Jamie[SI] | I don't understand, you know version 2.0.3? |
| 21:12.59 | Kirkburn|afk | I did? Who are you? |
| 21:13.03 | Jamie[SI] | Has that been official released? |
| 21:13.04 | Jamie[SI] | JamieSI |
| 21:13.10 | Jamie[SI] | I can't find it anywhere |
| 21:13.17 | Jamie[SI] | which is why I removed it from mirror list the first time |
| 21:13.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Ooh, that one |
| 21:13.30 | Jamie[SI] | I can't find any details on an english version |
| 21:13.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes 2.0.3 is the next patch |
| 21:14.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Not out yet |
| 21:14.43 | Jamie[SI] | I see |
| 21:14.45 | Apollozeus | it's gonna be released after january 16, right? |
| 21:14.47 | Kirkburn|afk | I do many things on the wiki, it's hard to keep track :P |
| 21:14.49 | Jamie[SI] | but why is it listed for download? |
| 21:14.50 | vlad_ | sancus: oh sure, way to give me away |
| 21:14.57 | Apollozeus | for the PTR perhaps |
| 21:15.08 | Jamie[SI] | Page rank? |
| 21:15.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah, I see what you're asking |
| 21:15.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Sorry, bit confused before |
| 21:15.36 | Jamie[SI] | lol np |
| 21:15.37 | sancus | ;p; |
| 21:15.38 | Kirkburn|afk | It's the background downloader files I think |
| 21:15.39 | sancus | er lol |
| 21:15.55 | Jamie[SI] | I see |
| 21:15.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | Apollozeus probably before 16th |
| 21:16.08 | Jamie[SI] | I'll have it up on the 16th for SI |
| 21:16.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | seeing that the patch holds a lot of changes currently live in the BC beta |
| 21:16.40 | Jamie[SI] | Brillant resource the Wiki |
| 21:16.44 | Jamie[SI] | excellent job |
| 21:16.58 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm glad you think so :) |
| 21:17.15 | Kirkburn|afk | I *think* our benevolent leader is lurking here, but it's hard to be sure |
| 21:17.38 | vlad_ | more like absentee parent |
| 21:17.43 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
| 21:18.06 | amro`afk | yes, the wiki is great. awesome work |
| 21:18.12 | Jamie[SI] | indeed |
| 21:18.16 | Kirkburn|afk | So what do you think of our swanky IRC channel .... Rustak? |
| 21:18.26 | vlad_ | I'm glad there is one! |
| 21:18.32 | vlad_ | I just got back from vacation |
| 21:18.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Nice time? |
| 21:18.57 | vlad_ | yeah, was in japan for two weeks, then sort-of-working for a week, then went skiing |
| 21:19.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Ooh, very nice |
| 21:19.10 | Kirkburn|afk | In Japan for Xmas? |
| 21:19.28 | vlad_ | just before |
| 21:19.36 | vlad_ | they're crazy about christmas over there |
| 21:19.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Was gonna ask ... they're crazy about nearly everything :P |
| 21:19.54 | vlad_ | haha yeah |
| 21:20.16 | Apollozeus | americans are like: OMG CHRISTMAS BUY |
| 21:20.19 | sancus | vlad are you playing bc on release night |
| 21:20.27 | Apollozeus | Japanese are like: OMGOMGOMGOMG XMAS GO CRAAAAAAAAAAZY BUY |
| 21:20.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Are you likely to have any time to do stuff on the wiki soon btw? I have to ask ... :P |
| 21:20.46 | sancus | what stuff needs to be done |
| 21:20.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Only 14 days to go ... |
| 21:20.49 | Jamie[SI] | so is that download links like for the future |
| 21:20.54 | Jamie[SI] | so your ready on the 16th? |
| 21:20.56 | Kirkburn|afk | The image top left, the new CSS files :) |
| 21:21.04 | vlad_ | pfft, image, shmimage :) |
| 21:21.04 | Jamie[SI] | if so, I can add a link to where SI will have it on the 16th |
| 21:21.20 | vlad_ | the CSS stuff I want to do though, a while back letting the CSS live in the wiki killed the server |
| 21:21.22 | Kirkburn|afk | And I know that one big wish is that someone is allowed access to update stuff :O |
| 21:21.24 | vlad_ | but that was with an older mediawiki version |
| 21:21.41 | vlad_ | so it might could be ok now |
| 21:22.01 | Kirkburn|afk | You've probably received about 10 different CSS files by now :P |
| 21:22.04 | vlad_ | I need to pull in some security updates, I'll try to do that tonight and at the same time fiddle with putting the CSS into a wiki page |
| 21:22.07 | vlad_ | yeah, I have :p |
| 21:22.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Aww, that would be wonderful |
| 21:22.16 | Tepetkhet | css is kicking my ass right now. |
| 21:22.28 | Tepetkhet | I'm trying to do a 3 column layout and it's broken in IE. |
| 21:22.30 | Tepetkhet | Again. |
| 21:22.35 | Tepetkhet | Just when I got it working. |
| 21:22.52 | Tepetkhet | I added stuff to the right column and that col's longest now. |
| 21:22.53 | Kirkburn|afk | vlad_, also this maybe perhaps pwease? http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Proposed_icon |
| 21:23.28 | Kirkburn|afk | I'll stop asking for stuff now, and just be glad to have spoken to you at last :P |
| 21:23.39 | kazurk | ud epic mount > * |
| 21:23.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Tepetkhet, CSS is peasy for IE ;) |
| 21:23.51 | Tepetkhet | peasy? |
| 21:24.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Like one more than easy :) |
| 21:24.01 | vlad_ | Kirkburn|afk: oh hey, that icon won! |
| 21:24.07 | vlad_ | ok, that change I can make |
| 21:24.16 | vlad_ | esp. since I like that icon, ahem. |
| 21:24.20 | Tepetkhet | Oh? |
| 21:24.21 | Apollozeus | yay |
| 21:24.27 | Apollozeus | finally :P |
| 21:24.31 | Apollozeus | hi vlad by the way |
| 21:24.39 | vlad_ | howsdy! |
| 21:24.40 | vlad_ | er, howdy |
| 21:24.54 | Kirkburn | Tepetkhet, what I would recommend is getting a book on it |
| 21:24.57 | Tepetkhet | Never did anything more than <br> and <center> tags before. |
| 21:25.10 | Kirkburn | Argh, center tags for for the devil! |
| 21:25.12 | amro | Tepetkhet: http://www.glish.com/css/7.asp |
| 21:25.14 | Tepetkhet | haha |
| 21:25.16 | Tepetkhet | yes |
| 21:25.20 | Tepetkhet | Been reading that, amro. |
| 21:25.32 | amro | it breaks in IE? |
| 21:25.43 | Tepetkhet | I want them equal height. |
| 21:25.50 | amro | oh |
| 21:25.59 | Tepetkhet | Yeah... |
| 21:25.59 | Kirkburn | Basically I'm at the point where I design for IE7 and FF2, but if check for IE6 to see if it's too broken |
| 21:26.11 | Apollozeus | wowwiki is getting more and more VarghedinWiki XD |
| 21:26.19 | amro | i thought about that, but decided to postpone fixing that until i finished the php code |
| 21:26.25 | Apollozeus | he adds about dozens of articles and images every day |
| 21:26.33 | Kirkburn | Apollozeus, and that's a bad thing? We'd only have about 3 pages without him ;) |
| 21:26.41 | Apollozeus | :P |
| 21:26.51 | Apollozeus | it's not, it's good to have guys like him around |
| 21:26.58 | Tepetkhet | Header, footer. Left and right col equal height, fixed width. Center col fluid to expaaaaaaaaaaaand to fit screen. |
| 21:27.02 | Kirkburn | it's a good thing TBC is coming out, he's gonna run outta NPCs soon! |
| 21:27.16 | Apollozeus | many of them have already been added |
| 21:27.23 | Kirkburn | You want the side columns the same height, but dynamic? |
| 21:27.34 | Tepetkhet | Side cols fixed width. |
| 21:27.44 | Kirkburn | Wimmen? In *this* channel?? :O |
| 21:27.56 | Tepetkhet | Problem only came up when I added more logo banners to the right col. |
| 21:28.02 | Tepetkhet | And it became longer than the other 2 cols. |
| 21:28.06 | Tepetkhet | YES@ |
| 21:28.13 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 21:28.23 | mahtov | heh |
| 21:28.24 | amro | Tepetkhet: height doesn't work? |
| 21:28.39 | mahtov | this mage in my guild has failed at getting his HWL spellblade 3 times now |
| 21:28.39 | Tepetkhet | What do I set the height to, though? I keep adding crap to it. |
| 21:28.49 | Kirkburn | This is my most advanced website so far, haven't got around to finishing it yet: http://chig3.georgepribul.eu/ |
| 21:29.04 | Tepetkhet | And you probably have more females in here than you realize. |
| 21:29.11 | Apollozeus | forest orienteering club? o.O |
| 21:29.21 | amro | hm, does CSS accept variable values? other than inheritance |
| 21:29.28 | mahtov | tep: at least 3 lol |
| 21:29.40 | Kirkburn | Chigwell and Epping Forest Orienteering Club, and we're awesome |
| 21:29.42 | Kirkburn | ness |
| 21:29.44 | Tepetkhet | hahaha |
| 21:29.46 | Tepetkhet | Giant Man Came, Ate Everyone, Stole Cameras, Left No Traces |
| 21:29.58 | amro | is your page dynamic or static? |
| 21:29.59 | Kirkburn | Well how else would you explain the lack of results or photos? ;) |
| 21:30.07 | Tepetkhet | hrm |
| 21:30.07 | Tepetkhet | Uh |
| 21:30.11 | Tepetkhet | I keep adding crap to it. |
| 21:30.17 | Tepetkhet | So I guess it is kinda dynamic... |
| 21:30.31 | Kirkburn | It's dynamically filling up with crap? :P |
| 21:30.36 | Tepetkhet | Yes. |
| 21:30.40 | amro | that's not what i meant though. do you have plain html files or serverside scripting? |
| 21:30.41 | Tepetkhet | Like a virtual toilet. |
| 21:30.44 | Apollozeus | good thing my toilet isn't like that |
| 21:30.45 | Tepetkhet | e-poop |
| 21:30.48 | Apollozeus | you stole my joke |
| 21:30.49 | Apollozeus | :p |
| 21:31.07 | Kirkburn | \o/ |
| 21:31.10 | Tepetkhet | Just php |
| 21:31.18 | Kirkburn | ZOMG ICON! |
| 21:31.27 | Tepetkhet | For including the boring ol' header, footer, and nav buttons. |
| 21:31.33 | Apollozeus | yay |
| 21:31.34 | Apollozeus | new icon |
| 21:31.34 | Apollozeus | :D |
| 21:31.44 | Kirkburn | Twas a manly hug |
| 21:31.46 | amro | then you could calculate the page size and put that in your div tag |
| 21:32.08 | Tepetkhet | So my right column that keeps getting bigger and bigger... |
| 21:32.15 | Tepetkhet | I would just set the center col height to that? |
| 21:32.39 | amro | you set them all to the same height, whicherver height is the biggest |
| 21:33.24 | Tepetkhet | ugh |
| 21:33.33 | Tepetkhet | Well, I could wrap the 3 cols. |
| 21:33.42 | Tepetkhet | And set the height on that col? |
| 21:33.42 | Tepetkhet | no |
| 21:33.47 | Tepetkhet | That won't work. |
| 21:33.49 | Kirkburn | I'm restoring the main page to pre-hangover stage :) |
| 21:34.15 | Kirkburn | CuSS you! |
| 21:34.28 | Kirkburn | Okay, okay, that was awful, shoot me |
| 21:34.41 | equiraptor | *bang* |
| 21:34.45 | Tepetkhet | I CSS you! |
| 21:34.53 | Tepetkhet | *mwah* |
| 21:35.23 | equiraptor | Haha |
| 21:35.28 | equiraptor | Get 'em, tep! |
| 21:35.41 | Kirkburn | Ewww, cooties! |
| 21:35.41 | Tepetkhet | RAWR! |
| 21:36.36 | Kirkburn | Oh yeah, I should sort out something, 2 secs |
| 21:37.58 | sancus | <Kirkburn> Tepetkhet, what I would recommend is getting a book on it |
| 21:38.00 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o vlad_] by Kirkburn |
| 21:38.03 | sancus | psht, web design books |
| 21:38.04 | Kirkburn | muahaha |
| 21:38.20 | Kirkburn | No, not a web design book :P |
| 21:38.22 | Kirkburn | A CSS bible |
| 21:38.26 | amro | Tepetkhet: why would height not work? |
| 21:38.27 | sancus | whichever |
| 21:38.35 | sancus | There's nothing you can't learn from website tutorials and ripping off other people's sites :) |
| 21:38.44 | Kirkburn | You can't read a website in bed. Well, not easily. |
| 21:38.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | laptops |
| 21:38.58 | sancus | ... I would submit that reading CSS in bed is not the ideal place to learn it |
| 21:39.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | or dual screens witha wireles keyboard and mouse |
| 21:39.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | installing the secnd screen at your feet in your bed ^^ |
| 21:39.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | (I'm actually planning to do that >.>) |
| 21:39.24 | amro | or you could go to sleep so you can concentrate on it the next day |
| 21:39.28 | Kirkburn | Should I take the temporary down-ness of the wiki that vlad is fiddling? :) |
| 21:39.29 | sancus | ^^ |
| 21:39.35 | sancus | probably |
| 21:39.58 | Kirkburn | 1.8, 1.8! ;) |
| 21:40.03 | sancus | yeah right |
| 21:40.07 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 21:40.42 | Kirkburn | sancus, you play on the beta? |
| 21:40.48 | sancus | we need to upgrade the developer.mozilla.org wiki to that, it's going to take a lot of work :/ |
| 21:40.55 | sancus | um, duh? dude, I gave you UI files from the alpha |
| 21:41.02 | Kirkburn | You might have stopped ... |
| 21:41.06 | sancus | oh |
| 21:41.13 | sancus | yeah I have stopped, lol, I thought you were asking if I had beta sorry :p |
| 21:41.25 | sancus | most people have stopped |
| 21:41.37 | Kirkburn | Yeah, last time I was on Tempest Keep EU it was dead |
| 21:42.11 | sancus | I didnt even get to 70 |
| 21:42.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 21:42.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's only days now |
| 21:42.12 | sancus | I'm annoyed at the state of my class |
| 21:42.12 | Kirkburn | Although having said that, so were all the NPCs and mobs ... |
| 21:42.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 21:42.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | lol! |
| 21:42.12 | Kirkburn | What class? |
| 21:42.13 | sancus | Mage |
| 21:42.33 | Kirkburn | Tempest Keep ain't a stable server :P I love my epic flying mount, for all 10 minutes I've used it so far |
| 21:42.56 | Kirkburn | What're you unhappy with? I recall you enthusing about the cool new stuff ... |
| 21:43.20 | sancus | Well |
| 21:43.43 | sancus | It has to do with the fact that they nerfed the living shit out of Ignite and out of a number of our dps impact talents |
| 21:43.58 | Kirkburn | They nerfed my felguard :9 |
| 21:44.00 | sancus | And they buffed Warlocks and Shadow Priests a very large amount |
| 21:44.14 | Kirkburn | I wants a burny felguard mount! |
| 21:44.15 | sancus | meh, demonology was never supposed to be the primary raid dps spec anyhow |
| 21:44.25 | sancus | but with the way felguard was, it was going to end up that way :p |
| 21:44.28 | Kirkburn | I want it for solo PvE |
| 21:44.35 | Kirkburn | Yeah, it was a bit ott |
| 21:44.42 | amro | i want one because it looks cool |
| 21:45.06 | amro | esp with a minidiablo =) |
| 21:45.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's good enough for PvE still |
| 21:45.11 | Kirkburn | Nearly all my warlock life I've been a demo lock, can't imagine changing |
| 21:45.13 | sancus | Mostly I'm annoyed that Shadow Priests outdamage frost and arcane mages and are 90% of the dps of a fire mage, but mages have no utility in raids at all |
| 21:45.17 | mahtov | i have no desire to ever have a felguard |
| 21:45.29 | Kirkburn | Sacrilege! |
| 21:45.31 | sancus | I'm also annoyed that they ruined Ignite, because it was a really fun mechanic |
| 21:45.33 | amro | ! |
| 21:45.33 | sancus | now it's boring as fuck |
| 21:45.44 | Tepetkhet | "mages have no utility in raids at all" |
| 21:45.45 | sancus | compltely aside from the fact that they nerfed the dps, they also nerfed the fun |
| 21:45.47 | Tepetkhet | Huh?? |
| 21:45.51 | amro | raiding in general is boring |
| 21:46.05 | Kirkburn | I've never done a proper raid |
| 21:46.08 | amro | sancus: where do people get water from without mages? |
| 21:46.18 | sancus | I hope you're joking. |
| 21:46.24 | Kirkburn | sancus, mebbe closer to 70 it'll get cooler, I dunno |
| 21:46.29 | mahtov | mage utility = water and ports... their sole purpose during raids is to DPS |
| 21:46.30 | Kirkburn | Btw, when did you stop playing? |
| 21:46.36 | sancus | uh |
| 21:46.39 | Tepetkhet | Polymorph, mage water + food, decurse |
| 21:46.41 | sancus | early december ish |
| 21:46.52 | Tepetkhet | Try being a rogue. WTF do we have? |
| 21:46.54 | foxlit | druids should decurse, meh. |
| 21:46.54 | Tepetkhet | Uh |
| 21:46.55 | sancus | polymorph doesn't do anything in raids, water and food is NOT UTILITY STOP SAYING IT IS, decurse is annoying |
| 21:46.56 | foxlit | sap. |
| 21:46.57 | Tepetkhet | stabby things |
| 21:47.03 | amro | sancus, what about BC content? |
| 21:47.04 | mahtov | tep... you get to stab things... what more could you ask for :-P |
| 21:47.05 | Tepetkhet | Sap isn't used in raids |
| 21:47.13 | equiraptor | Sheep is useful in limited situations. |
| 21:47.15 | sancus | We don't know anything about BC raid content, frankly. |
| 21:47.17 | foxlit | In raids? Only zomgawesome sustainable dps. |
| 21:47.19 | mahtov | decurse being annoying doesn't make it less of a utility |
| 21:47.20 | equiraptor | Well, polymorph. |
| 21:47.23 | Tepetkhet | Mages get that. |
| 21:47.27 | sancus | It's theoretically possible that Polymorph may be used |
| 21:47.29 | Tepetkhet | Mages are usually higher than I am in DPS. |
| 21:47.32 | foxlit | Sustainable? No. Mages run out of mana. |
| 21:47.33 | sancus | Tepet: I was comparing to other casters. |
| 21:47.34 | amro | well then, you can't judge the changes |
| 21:47.38 | Tepetkhet | AND they can decurse, sheep, and food/water. |
| 21:47.41 | sancus | Rogues have even less utility than mages |
| 21:47.43 | sancus | amro: yes, I can |
| 21:47.46 | equiraptor | It *is* used on the sekrem fight, or whatever his name is. |
| 21:47.48 | foxlit | You can dps for all eternity (well, until you run out of durability on the dagger) |
| 21:47.57 | amro | sancus: okay. |
| 21:48.00 | Tepetkhet | Until we die from AoE from the mobs... |
| 21:48.01 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 21:48.11 | equiraptor | The profit, the first boss in AQ40. Used to sheep friendlies who are mind controlled (and thus no longer friendly). |
| 21:48.11 | Tepetkhet | Because we're up close and personal. |
| 21:48.17 | Tepetkhet | Sekram? |
| 21:48.19 | sancus | I was comparing SOLELY to other casters when I'm complaining about Mages |
| 21:48.23 | Tepetkhet | Oh, okay. |
| 21:48.28 | sancus | as far as I'm concerned, Rogues and Priests are even worse off than us |
| 21:48.37 | vlad_ | damnit, i'm going to have to buy new hardware for wowwiki |
| 21:48.37 | vlad_ | hmm |
| 21:48.49 | Tepetkhet | Well, not gonna have much of a raid without tank and healer. |
| 21:49.22 | Kirkburn | You know all I can think of right now? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Drac |
| 21:49.32 | Kirkburn | I used to love those books |
| 21:49.34 | Tepetkhet | Vlad Tepes? |
| 21:49.42 | Tepetkhet | Mr. Impaler to you. |
| 21:49.47 | Kirkburn | vlad_, srsly? |
| 21:50.12 | Kirkburn | Much coolness if so |
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| 21:52.00 | sancus | ouch, my proxy crashed hard, that hasn't happened in a while |
| 21:52.45 | sancus | So anyway, decurse is utility, but it doesn't even come close to 200mp5 for 5 people and 250hp/s as well as dispel |
| 21:53.24 | amro | i thought you were comparing solely to other classes outside of a raid context? |
| 21:53.37 | sancus | to other casters in a raid context, not outside |
| 21:53.40 | Kirkburn | sancus, look, until yesterday I had a router that randomly restarted |
| 21:53.43 | sancus | outside of a raid context mages are a lot diff |
| 21:54.03 | Kirkburn | I could barely last 5 mins of connectivity :) |
| 21:54.08 | sancus | because 1) frost nova works on mobs and 2) polymorph is used practically every time you fight instead of once per year on a gimmick encounter |
| 21:54.40 | mahtov | sancus, where is your guild progression wise? |
| 21:54.53 | mahtov | or, if you are guildless, where have you been? |
| 21:54.59 | vlad_ | heh |
| 21:55.32 | amro | sancus, i said you can't judge the new changes until you head into the BC instances. you never know whats in there |
| 21:55.32 | sancus | we were on 4h as horde before we decided to shut down until BC because we didn't feel that recruiting to fill a raid was wise just before we had to kick half the guild for 25-mans |
| 21:55.38 | Kirkburn | What I've seen of the TBC instances is somewhat cool |
| 21:55.38 | foxlit | Some of those new mage spells are sad. |
| 21:56.09 | amro | all you have to do is give it time, and improvise meanwhie |
| 21:56.10 | sancus | amro: It's theoretically possible that all the trash can be rooted, and all boss encounters include trash that can both be rooted and/or polymorphed, yes |
| 21:56.13 | amro | meanwhile* |
| 21:56.20 | mahtov | mages like to cast slow on me in battlegrounds O_o |
| 21:56.20 | Kirkburn | I've been trying out the level 70 warlock spell, the one which does an AoE on target's area after 1000 dmg is done to it |
| 21:56.22 | sancus | But it's not likely. |
| 21:56.35 | Kirkburn | It's really cool, but you have to be careful not to aggro half the map :P |
| 21:56.47 | sancus | that thing was more fun when it was totally broken |
| 21:56.51 | Kirkburn | Quite a few bosses are 'wave' events |
| 21:56.52 | amro | sancus, that's not what i meant, but nevermind |
| 21:56.54 | sancus | but they nerfed it like they nerfed ae |
| 21:56.58 | sancus | er mage ae |
| 21:57.00 | foxlit | Doesn't it come with a stun, so you can get a headstart to the canadian border? :) |
| 21:57.02 | sancus | that pissed me off, too :P |
| 21:57.03 | mahtov | does SoC damage the "bomb"? |
| 21:57.03 | Tepetkhet | My guild has only cleared ZG, done up to Ossirian in AQ20, and done up through Golemagg in MC... |
| 21:57.25 | Kirkburn | The 'wave' event bosses will def require CC |
| 21:57.27 | sancus | the AE nerfs were entirely unreasonable |
| 21:57.35 | amro | true |
| 21:57.41 | Tepetkhet | We use mages a lot. |
| 21:57.44 | sancus | but completely pointless, so I'm not complaining that much. |
| 21:57.47 | amro | yet another thing that doesn't make sense in wow |
| 21:58.03 | Kirkburn | sancus, you're so jaded and grumpy :P |
| 21:58.13 | Tepetkhet | We use them for decursing, AoE, ranged DPS, polymorph, vending machines... |
| 21:58.15 | sancus | I've been playing mmogs for over 10 years, what do you want? :P |
| 21:58.34 | foxlit | There are very few occassions when polymorph actually works end-game. |
| 21:58.35 | Kirkburn | Sweetness and light. With a side of cheese bisuits and tea. |
| 21:58.42 | Tepetkhet | It's used in ZG quite a bit. |
| 21:58.43 | foxlit | So it's mainly ranged dps. |
| 21:58.43 | sancus | Poor design is immediately obvious to me, generally speaking |
| 21:58.46 | sancus | ZG is not end-game |
| 21:58.58 | Kirkburn | It is for me ;) |
| 21:59.19 | sancus | Tepet: You see, you're talking to someone who cares about performance on cutting edge content, when you're referring to instances that you don't really _need_ to optimize for |
| 21:59.22 | foxlit | Noth requires mages, though you could probably get away with moonkins. |
| 21:59.34 | sancus | Noth requires warlocks moreso than mages |
| 21:59.36 | Tepetkhet | Do you only count Naxx as endgame, or do you extend it to other 40-man content? |
| 21:59.51 | equiraptor | Not all 40 man content would be. |
| 21:59.52 | sancus | I'd call AQ40 and Naxx end-game, they're both hard enough to count. |
| 21:59.55 | foxlit | AQ40, Naxx, maybe BWL is endgame |
| 22:00.00 | Tepetkhet | Geez. |
| 22:00.01 | sancus | not bwl,bwl is trivial |
| 22:00.02 | Tepetkhet | Elitist. |
| 22:00.07 | equiraptor | BWL is on its way out. |
| 22:00.08 | foxlit | Hence maybe :P |
| 22:00.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | I would count Hellfire Zangarmarsh the current endgame |
| 22:00.19 | sancus | AQ40 is the first instance that they actually required you to work as a team to solve the encounters |
| 22:00.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | but hey, that's just me |
| 22:00.26 | Tepetkhet | ... |
| 22:00.34 | Tepetkhet | Yeah, elitist. |
| 22:00.40 | sancus | people had to think and one or two person's failure could wipe the encounter |
| 22:00.40 | Tepetkhet | Thanks for the css help, amro. |
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| 22:00.52 | sancus | one or two people's failures can't hurt you in bwl or mc really |
| 22:01.02 | mahtov | sancus, it can for guilds who are still learning it |
| 22:01.02 | sancus | (unless it's the tank :P) |
| 22:01.13 | equiraptor | Well, if you're geared like Tep's guild is, one or two people's failures can. |
| 22:01.14 | sancus | Nah, even when we were just learning MC |
| 22:01.14 | foxlit | (or the healers; or the aggro-drawing warlock on one of them drakes) |
| 22:01.15 | sancus | you'd have like |
| 22:01.19 | equiraptor | But her guild is barely starting. |
| 22:01.23 | sancus | 1/2 of the fucking raid die |
| 22:01.25 | equiraptor | Lots of blues, only some epics. |
| 22:01.27 | sancus | and still kill the encounter |
| 22:01.34 | sancus | that's simply not possible in AQ40 or Naxx |
| 22:01.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 22:01.43 | foxlit | AQ40 was requiring concentration by the virtue of making things difficult if you weren't, Naxx actively punishes you for making mistakes. |
| 22:01.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | Naxx has doable bosses with BWL or worse gear |
| 22:01.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | I have done it |
| 22:01.50 | sancus | foxlit: yeah, exactly |
| 22:01.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | razuvious |
| 22:01.55 | sancus | it's not about gear |
| 22:02.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | razuvious doesn't require cooperation either |
| 22:02.09 | sancus | it's about the requirement of the raid to not make mistakes, and the harshness of the punishment for doing so |
| 22:02.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | just 2 priests |
| 22:02.18 | sancus | no razuvious is pretty easy |
| 22:02.24 | sancus | not every encounter in aq40/naxx is of the utmost difficulty, for sure |
| 22:02.29 | sancus | but there _are_ encounters that are |
| 22:02.31 | sancus | there arent in bwl/mc |
| 22:02.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 22:02.35 | foxlit | Anub is an easy example of what Naxx does, on a principle. |
| 22:02.45 | foxlit | People make mistakes -> People die -> Scarabs wipe raid. |
| 22:02.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | you are saying that cromaggus could be done with ez? |
| 22:02.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | slacking dispells, mob wipes raid |
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| 22:03.07 | sancus | err |
| 22:03.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | or well, let's talk about the second or ezvent he first BWL boss |
| 22:03.19 | sancus | dispelling is a basic requirement |
| 22:03.23 | foxlit | It'd take complete slacking for chromag to wipe anyone. |
| 22:03.31 | sancus | yeah |
| 22:03.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | in these times yeah |
| 22:03.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | but in the old times... |
| 22:03.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | gah, you friggin enwbies |
| 22:03.48 | sancus | spamming decursive was never hard |
| 22:03.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | hell even Onyxia required cooperation to it's max |
| 22:03.58 | sancus | chromaggus would be somewhat harder if decursive never existed, sure |
| 22:04.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | it doesn't exist atm |
| 22:04.04 | vlad_ | hm, $3133 |
| 22:04.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | just so you know |
| 22:04.09 | sancus | I know it doesn't |
| 22:04.14 | foxlit | But in the old times... |
| 22:04.15 | sancus | But now the encounter is trivialized by gear |
| 22:04.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | in the old times |
| 22:04.23 | sancus | So in the time when the encounter was designed for, it was not hard |
| 22:04.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | it was still hard |
| 22:04.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | trust me |
| 22:04.33 | sancus | Heh |
| 22:04.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | decursive wasn't all that counted |
| 22:04.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | running in time |
| 22:04.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | making surethere are decursive prios without mistakes |
| 22:04.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | gah, just the memories >.> |
| 22:04.59 | sancus | I did the encounter within a couple of weeks of when it was implemented, I recall how hard it was or was not :P |
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| 22:05.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | Onyxia in the beginning was even worse |
| 22:05.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | other monkeys will ofc |
| 22:05.17 | sancus | Chromaggus never even came within a mile of C'thun or Thaddius |
| 22:05.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | ofc he didn't |
| 22:05.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | but tbh |
| 22:05.35 | sancus | if you think DISPELS are slacking |
| 22:05.38 | Kirkburn | Monkeys are evil cannibalistic bastards :P |
| 22:05.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | BWL required cooperation like it did now |
| 22:05.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | just not DPS like it does now |
| 22:06.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | the biggest problem in BWL was threa |
| 22:06.13 | sancus | All you have to do on chromaggus is dispel, most of the hard encounters require you to do multiple activities while maximizing your dps/healing/aggro/whatever |
| 22:06.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | really hard to work with it |
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| 22:06.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | lol no |
| 22:06.39 | sancus | it's a really a question of 'how many things does the raid have to do at once?' and that was steadily increased post-bwl |
| 22:06.40 | TxTurbo | hmm... nice icon. =) |
| 22:06.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | one of the nhardest currently ingame (patchwerk) is just plain maximising DPS |
| 22:06.45 | sancus | ??? |
| 22:06.50 | sancus | patchwerk isn't hard |
| 22:06.53 | foxlit | Patchwerk isn't hard. |
| 22:06.54 | sancus | patchwerk is a gear check |
| 22:06.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | indeed |
| 22:06.57 | Apollozeus | it's way old, TxTurbo |
| 22:07.00 | Apollozeus | :p |
| 22:07.03 | Apollozeus | it was just never added |
| 22:07.08 | TxTurbo | lol! |
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| 22:07.23 | amro | finally |
| 22:07.32 | Apollozeus | that's alright |
| 22:07.39 | sancus | patchwerk is somewhat hard for healers |
| 22:07.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | I agree that BWL was less hard than Naxx |
| 22:07.44 | sancus | for the rest of the raid it's a snooze cruise |
| 22:07.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | snooze? oO |
| 22:07.52 | TxTurbo | The wiki's quite nice though. Been waiting for for it to come back up. =) |
| 22:07.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | lol no... |
| 22:08.02 | sancus | I nearly fell asleep on patchwerk numerous times on my mage |
| 22:08.04 | sancus | sooo boring |
| 22:08.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 22:08.16 | sancus | you don't DO anything |
| 22:08.20 | foxlit | 444444444444444344444444444444442444444444444441444444.... |
| 22:08.24 | sancus | you just spam your spells in your pre-selected order |
| 22:08.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 22:08.28 | sancus | now, Gothik |
| 22:08.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 22:08.34 | sancus | that seperates the good mages from the incompetent ones |
| 22:08.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | patchwerk requires you to maximise |
| 22:08.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | the first few times |
| 22:08.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | as soon as yuou down a boss, everything becomes trivial |
| 22:08.59 | sancus | Gothik requires you to maximize while switching targets every couple of seconds and using your CC at the same time |
| 22:09.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | but at patchwerk, it's not just a gear check |
| 22:09.03 | sancus | *that's* a hard encounter |
| 22:09.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | oO |
| 22:09.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | maximize? nah, not really |
| 22:09.22 | sancus | patchwerk you use two spells |
| 22:09.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | not as much as Patch |
| 22:09.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | oh, yeah you're a mage >.> |
| 22:09.38 | sancus | well of course not as much, you can't maximize as much while you are losing dps to CC and target switching |
| 22:09.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | learn2play hard classes |
| 22:09.50 | sancus | there aren't any hard classes in WoW |
| 22:09.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | there are 2 ez classes |
| 22:09.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | mage and warlock |
| 22:10.02 | sancus | uh |
| 22:10.05 | sancus | ... ok |
| 22:10.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | sorry |
| 22:10.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | mage and rogue >.> |
| 22:10.26 | sancus | it's all equally easy |
| 22:10.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | for max DPS you spam the same over and over again without other additional worries |
| 22:10.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | oO |
| 22:10.31 | sancus | I've played healers, healing is easy |
| 22:10.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | depends on the tanks mostly |
| 22:10.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | and on the amount of healers |
| 22:10.51 | sancus | only thing I haven't done is tank, but I don't see what's "hard" about that |
| 22:10.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | and on the encounter too |
| 22:10.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | sancus |
| 22:10.58 | sancus | DPSing itself is a trivial task |
| 22:11.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | you see evrything too much in the roles |
| 22:11.03 | Teomyr | re |
| 22:11.06 | sancus | it becomes hard when you have to move and use your other abilities at the same time |
| 22:11.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | oO |
| 22:11.17 | foxlit | Heigan <3 |
| 22:11.24 | sancus | same as healing or tanking |
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| 22:11.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | which classes have youplayed? |
| 22:11.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | "CLASSES" |
| 22:11.34 | sancus | healing people is easy if you only have to stand still |
| 22:11.37 | foxlit | They should make a solo version of that :P |
| 22:11.50 | sancus | um priest, shaman, mage, rogue, in raids anyway |
| 22:12.00 | sancus | played all classes outside of raids |
| 22:12.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | priest is ez healing but ever considered shadow Priest? |
| 22:12.14 | sancus | shadow priests are dps, not healing |
| 22:12.18 | foxlit | ~whaleslap |
| 22:12.20 | infobot | it has been said that whaleslap is your mom |
| 22:12.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | shaman is difficult to say, though they have less healing spells to their disposal |
| 22:12.30 | sancus | shaman aren't difficult |
| 22:12.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | mage is ez |
| 22:12.35 | sancus | they just have poor mana regen |
| 22:12.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | and rogue is ez in daggerspecc |
| 22:12.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | sancus |
| 22:12.50 | sancus | I always played sword spec |
| 22:12.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | again if you're a healer |
| 22:13.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | sword isn't hard either, but slightly harder than dagger |
| 22:13.09 | sancus | if you say so |
| 22:13.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | but I guess you have no clue about real endgame |
| 22:13.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | what you say is the easiest things of those 4 classes |
| 22:13.25 | sancus | the actual activity of activating abilities to produce damage is something anyone can do in their sleep |
| 22:13.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | where priest happens to have it easiest in healing and mage and rogue easiest in DPS |
| 22:13.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | try playing a hunter or a warlock |
| 22:13.49 | sancus | uh |
| 22:13.50 | foxlit | So your idea of endgame is to have shadowpriests healing? :) |
| 22:13.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | and make sure you have pet control aswell |
| 22:13.53 | sancus | you're crazy |
| 22:13.57 | sancus | hunters and warlocks are easy |
| 22:14.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | you think? |
| 22:14.07 | sancus | and neither hunters nor warlocks really use their pets on most raid encounters |
| 22:14.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | nope |
| 22:14.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | but neither warlocks and hunters ever came close to DPS to mages and rogues |
| 22:14.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | unless if they have better gear |
| 22:14.38 | sancus | that's not actually true |
| 22:14.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | if it is true for you |
| 22:14.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | your mages slack |
| 22:14.58 | sancus | At different times of the game different classes were ahead |
| 22:15.02 | equiraptor | Warlocks seem to have issues managing aggro. |
| 22:15.09 | mahtov | "seem?" |
| 22:15.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | indeed equiraptor |
| 22:15.10 | mahtov | :-P |
| 22:15.11 | equiraptor | If they try to really let loose with the damage, things come to eat them. |
| 22:15.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | that's what makes it ahrder for locks |
| 22:15.22 | sancus | warlock aggro management in BC is as good as mages |
| 22:15.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | hunters need to have perfect pet control for maximum damage |
| 22:15.34 | sancus | some would argue better |
| 22:15.34 | foxlit | Mages is probably better. |
| 22:15.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | sancus agro isn't an issue anymore in BC |
| 22:15.50 | sancus | how do you know that? |
| 22:15.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | and mages is still better |
| 22:15.56 | equiraptor | We had one mage (when I raided) who seemed to take pride in keeping himself second on the aggro list. |
| 22:16.01 | sancus | We don't know the aggro situation in 25-man raids yet |
| 22:16.05 | equiraptor | This did bad things when he critted a few times in a row. |
| 22:16.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | equiraptor that mage should respecc then >< |
| 22:16.20 | equiraptor | "Op, trench is dead. Oh well." |
| 22:16.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | but I suppose he was fire? |
| 22:16.22 | sancus | And aggro is an issue in 5-mans unless your gear is bad |
| 22:16.26 | equiraptor | He was frost, actually. |
| 22:16.31 | sancus | because any decent fire mage can outburst the aggro of a tank |
| 22:16.34 | equiraptor | But he would try to steal aggro, not keep it low. |
| 22:16.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | lol XD |
| 22:16.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | well either way |
| 22:16.46 | sancus | (frost isnt viable for dps) |
| 22:16.59 | equiraptor | (Well, in BWL. He behaved himself in AQ40. This was before Naxx) |
| 22:17.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | depends sencus |
| 22:17.14 | amro | you can dps with frost |
| 22:17.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | it depends a lot on whom you group with |
| 22:17.16 | foxlit | Haven't actually tried in 2.0 |
| 22:17.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | if you are with only frost mages |
| 22:17.20 | amro | 3333333333333... 33333333 |
| 22:17.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | their dps greatly increases |
| 22:17.28 | foxlit | Was quite decent before that. |
| 22:17.32 | sancus | by viable I mean 'capable of outdpsing an equally geared shadow priest', mostly |
| 22:17.41 | sancus | because if you aren't doing that, why the hell are you in the raid , again? |
| 22:17.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | hah |
| 22:17.54 | mahtov | to whine? |
| 22:17.56 | equiraptor | Because we don't have any shadow priests? :) |
| 22:17.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | well, shadowpriests played well can outDPS many classes |
| 22:18.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | they have very sucky mana regen |
| 22:18.08 | sancus | whhhattt? |
| 22:18.13 | Teomyr | omg |
| 22:18.14 | sancus | they have the best mana regen in the game in BC |
| 22:18.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | yeah in BC |
| 22:18.24 | Teomyr | i just looked at the wiki |
| 22:18.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | but you guys were talking naxx and prenaxx |
| 22:18.32 | foxlit | I'd argue that, with few exceptions, frost is viable. |
| 22:18.32 | Teomyr | we have rustak back? :D |
| 22:18.33 | sancus | well yeah |
| 22:18.39 | foxlit | Even in naxx. |
| 22:18.43 | sancus | shadow priests werent viable pre-BC |
| 22:18.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | wondering the same Teomyr |
| 22:19.00 | sancus | their dps was pretty bad to say the least |
| 22:19.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | their DPS was good |
| 22:19.14 | Teomyr | seems so if i interpret the irc log correctly |
| 22:19.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | but their mana wasn't |
| 22:19.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | on really short battles |
| 22:19.25 | sancus | if by good you mean 60% of a fire mage's, sure |
| 22:19.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | a shadow priest should be able to top DPS |
| 22:19.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | *sigh* |
| 22:19.41 | sancus | no, fire mages do |
| 22:19.47 | sancus | Combustion and pre-nerf Ignite |
| 22:19.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | yeah, fire mages are better that's true |
| 22:19.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | on short battles |
| 22:20.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | Shadow just had bad regen |
| 22:20.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | and that made them less viable |
| 22:20.14 | sancus | yeah |
| 22:20.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | but a well played shadow (with the use of many pots) could still score high |
| 22:20.24 | sancus | except they gave it extremely superior regen and buffed the heck out of its dps too :P |
| 22:20.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | and it would add in warlocks |
| 22:20.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | so... |
| 22:20.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | I really think you are wrong by stating all classes are ez |
| 22:20.55 | sancus | The fact that equally geared Shadow outdpses both arcane and frost mages is ridiculous |
| 22:20.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | mages just ahd to gang up in the same specc |
| 22:21.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | nah, it's called balance! |
| 22:21.10 | sancus | uh |
| 22:21.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | warlocks had agro |
| 22:21.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | hunters had pet management |
| 22:21.27 | sancus | it's balanced to be blatantly superior in both dps and utility to two specs out of 3 of another class? :P |
| 22:21.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 22:21.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | sancus |
| 22:21.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | the 3rd specc |
| 22:21.49 | sancus | is 10% higher |
| 22:21.50 | sancus | woohoo? |
| 22:21.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | is blatantly superior to the priests other 2 speccs in DPS |
| 22:21.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | so yeah... |
| 22:21.59 | foxlit | Has been nerfed :P |
| 22:22.01 | sancus | um no |
| 22:22.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | balanced |
| 22:22.12 | sancus | that makes no sense |
| 22:22.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | why? |
| 22:22.21 | sancus | your comparison is wrong |
| 22:22.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | nope not at all |
| 22:22.26 | sancus | the priest's other two specs are HEALING specs, not damage specs |
| 22:22.31 | sancus | The mage's other two specs are also dps specs |
| 22:22.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 22:22.39 | sancus | They are entirely useless specs for raiders, I might note |
| 22:22.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | priests can specc holy for smite damaeg increase (or diuscipline) |
| 22:22.47 | sancus | rofl |
| 22:22.53 | sancus | yes but that's not the primary purpose of the spec |
| 22:22.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | who says? |
| 22:23.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | Never saw blizzard saying that |
| 22:23.07 | sancus | if Ice and Arcane gave mages limited healing ability or some way to protect other players in the raid, then sure |
| 22:23.08 | sancus | but they don't |
| 22:23.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | Arcane gives AoE |
| 22:23.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | or gave |
| 22:23.25 | sancus | um what |
| 22:23.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | sec... |
| 22:23.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | need to check up on mage speccs quickly :p |
| 22:23.47 | sancus | the best aoe spec is deep fire now |
| 22:23.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | bveen a while since I was GL |
| 22:24.06 | sancus | which is one of the two specs in the game that produce acceptable dps |
| 22:24.25 | foxlit | Why? Shatter = good. |
| 22:24.32 | sancus | shatter = not work in raids |
| 22:24.40 | foxlit | Oh, shatter works everywhere it matters. |
| 22:24.51 | sancus | er not on any bosses and not on a lot of trash |
| 22:24.57 | foxlit | Anub. |
| 22:24.58 | foxlit | Maexxna. |
| 22:25.03 | foxlit | AQ40 Tunnel. |
| 22:25.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | sancus it actually worked on Raggy! XD |
| 22:25.07 | sancus | yeah I know |
| 22:25.10 | sancus | rofl |
| 22:25.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | and that was an endboss! |
| 22:25.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | :p |
| 22:25.20 | sancus | so you optimize for anub, maexxna, and the aq40 tunnel? gratz? :P |
| 22:25.28 | sancus | hell |
| 22:25.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 22:25.33 | sancus | the ae on maexxna isn't even 10% of the encounter |
| 22:25.38 | foxlit | Those are pretty much the encounters where AoE is required. |
| 22:25.46 | sancus | it just requires your aoers to be awake and hit their ae button ONCE |
| 22:25.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | forst is actually as viable in Naxx as fire is viable in MC... |
| 22:26.05 | sancus | yep |
| 22:26.08 | sancus | pretty much true |
| 22:26.10 | foxlit | Hardly. Nothing resists. |
| 22:26.18 | foxlit | Whereas fire in MC will get you "immune" on trash. |
| 22:26.41 | sancus | fire produces far more damage on every single encounter, is what he's saying |
| 22:27.03 | foxlit | Not true in my experience. |
| 22:27.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | Either way |
| 22:27.46 | sancus | I'm talking about potential here |
| 22:27.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | to get back to my main point |
| 22:27.46 | sancus | anecdotal experience will always be vary and be fairly meaningless |
| 22:27.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | you are picking the ezmode classes |
| 22:27.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | ifg you played a lock |
| 22:27.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | you would think different |
| 22:27.46 | sancus | I don't see why locks are hard at all |
| 22:27.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | becayse a warlock is not just press the same button over and over again |
| 22:27.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | a good lock with high DPS know how to DoT |
| 22:27.57 | equiraptor | DoTs can do nasty things to aggro balance. |
| 22:27.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | and when to dot |
| 22:28.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | equiraptor I know |
| 22:28.13 | sancus | None of the hard encounters are just stand in one place and dps |
| 22:28.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | I play a lock :p |
| 22:28.17 | sancus | so I dunno what you're talking about |
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| 22:28.41 | sancus | and pressing a dot every so often instead of shadowbolt is not hard either |
| 22:28.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | 1dot? |
| 22:28.41 | sancus | the actual process of doing dps is easy for every class |
| 22:28.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | we have 3 or 4 if you specc for it |
| 22:28.55 | Patrigan-Syldra | it isn't |
| 22:28.55 | sancus | if you think dotting along with nuking is hard |
| 22:28.55 | sancus | I'm sure every warlock in my guild would laugh |
| 22:28.55 | Patrigan-Syldra | harder than mages |
| 22:29.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | as they just press the same buttons |
| 22:29.05 | sancus | It's not harder than pre-nerf Ignite |
| 22:29.10 | sancus | no, they don't |
| 22:29.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | and add to that that a REAL lock uses something else than an imp |
| 22:29.19 | sancus | post-nerf ignite, it's somewhat harder, but who really cares? |
| 22:29.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | because an imp is only needed in tank groups |
| 22:29.23 | sancus | um of course |
| 22:29.33 | sancus | that's obvious |
| 22:29.37 | mahtov | real locks kill their pets in raids :-P |
| 22:29.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | but, pet control is hard |
| 22:29.41 | sancus | ???? |
| 22:29.42 | Kirkburn | Anyone got Day of the Dragon to hand? |
| 22:29.44 | sancus | pet control is not hard, you are on crack |
| 22:29.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | mahtov they don't |
| 22:29.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | sancus in comparison to playing a mage? |
| 22:30.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | as said |
| 22:30.04 | sancus | pre-nerf |
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| 22:30.11 | sancus | managing ignite aggro was much harder than anything a lock had to do |
| 22:30.15 | equiraptor | One of my favorite 'locks killed his pet and had a pally rez it. |
| 22:30.18 | sancus | it required timing and very fast reactions |
| 22:30.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | oO |
| 22:30.26 | equiraptor | Don't know if he was *good*, just he's a friend. :) |
| 22:30.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | O_O |
| 22:30.28 | sancus | And you could EASILY wipe the raid if you misjudged |
| 22:30.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | sanc |
| 22:30.38 | sancus | Because every Ignite put all the aggro on a single mage |
| 22:30.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | EVERY SINGLE WARLOCK SPELL |
| 22:30.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | had what ignite had |
| 22:30.47 | sancus | no |
| 22:30.48 | sancus | they didn't |
| 22:30.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | and you even dare saying that oO |
| 22:30.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | YES they did |
| 22:30.56 | sancus | no they didn't |
| 22:30.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | even with the best tanks |
| 22:31.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | YES THEY DID |
| 22:31.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | I played the lock |
| 22:31.07 | Kirkburn | Oi, no shouting |
| 22:31.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | with MANY different tanks |
| 22:31.09 | sancus | and don't know how it functions? |
| 22:31.10 | sancus | gratz? |
| 22:31.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | *sigh* |
| 22:31.18 | sancus | Warlock spells do not stack the aggro of all warlocks in the raid, at any point. |
| 22:31.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | dotting at the worng time can fuck up everything |
| 22:31.23 | sancus | That's a fact. |
| 22:31.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | that's indeed a fact |
| 22:31.44 | sancus | No single warlock can even come within 20% of the aggro generated by an ignite stack |
| 22:31.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | but ignite will NEVER create the agro that 1 warlock alone can do |
| 22:31.45 | sancus | ever |
| 22:31.55 | Patrigan-Syldra | trust me, it can |
| 22:31.58 | sancus | no it can't |
| 22:32.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | with ez |
| 22:32.02 | sancus | what the heck? |
| 22:32.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | either your warlocks suck donkeballs |
| 22:32.17 | sancus | Ignite does like 3000 dps when it's stacked, a warlock does maybe 600 if they're good and most of that is shadowbolt |
| 22:32.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | or your mages are enormously overpowered... |
| 22:32.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | lol |
| 22:32.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | that would require 5 fire mages |
| 22:32.39 | foxlit | Play that part about anecdotal evidence again, it'd fit :) |
| 22:32.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | or more evn |
| 22:32.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | or a sgitload of luck |
| 22:32.58 | sancus | um yes, we had 5 fire mages, sometimes 7 |
| 22:32.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | besides |
| 22:33.10 | sancus | speccing anything but fire was not allowed |
| 22:33.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | with my lock I get past 1000 DPS pretty fast |
| 22:33.16 | sancus | ... |
| 22:33.17 | sancus | lol |
| 22:33.23 | Kirkburn | gah, don't like guilds that tell you your spec |
| 22:33.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | nah they suck :p |
| 22:33.32 | sancus | Kirkburn: It wasn't really "tell you" |
| 22:33.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | because they miss out on many speccs |
| 22:33.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | sancus |
| 22:33.41 | Kirkburn | More like "force you"? ;) |
| 22:33.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | you had shadowpriests? |
| 22:33.47 | sancus | it was all the mages looking at the math and the performance |
| 22:34.17 | sancus | and agreeing that fire was necessary for optimum performance |
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| 22:34.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | you had a protection specced offtank with Nightfall? |
| 22:34.18 | sancus | and we do not recruit people who aren't interested in optimum performance |
| 22:34.18 | foxlit | Oh, I wonder. |
| 22:34.18 | sancus | so no one ever had to be "forced" |
| 22:34.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | I smell an elitist >.> |
| 22:34.43 | equiraptor | Our priests were fighting over who would be forced to be the shadow priest. Can you tell I play on a PvE realm? |
| 22:34.43 | sancus | we had a shadow priest |
| 22:34.43 | sancus | she got discouraged and stopped playing when she couldn't keep up in dps anymore, heh |
| 22:34.43 | foxlit | Did someone do the calcs for lost fire DPS on loatheb? :) |
| 22:34.47 | sancus | foxlit: none? |
| 22:35.00 | sancus | Fire mages do more dps than frost mages even without ignite on Loatheb, heh |
| 22:35.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | oO |
| 22:35.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | I doubt that tbh :p |
| 22:35.09 | sancus | like completely ignoring ignite's impact |
| 22:35.17 | sancus | nope |
| 22:35.18 | foxlit | Do you have the math? |
| 22:35.30 | sancus | it's... somewhere |
| 22:35.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 22:35.37 | sancus | I can find it if you REALLY want |
| 22:35.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | or perhaps at Anub even |
| 22:35.42 | sancus | this was done like 3 months ago though heh |
| 22:35.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | or hell |
| 22:35.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | there are MANY encounters where ignite works monkeyballs |
| 22:36.06 | sancus | to even start losing damage though |
| 22:36.12 | sancus | you have to be at 4 or 5 fire mages, I forget |
| 22:36.15 | sancus | so it wasnt really that important |
| 22:36.23 | sancus | (on loatheb, that is) |
| 22:36.30 | Kirkburn | So anyway, anyone got Day of the Dragon to hand? |
| 22:36.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | nope |
| 22:36.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | wat it though |
| 22:36.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | Kirkburn |
| 22:36.42 | sancus | and ofc I'm an elitist |
| 22:36.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | what's up with rustak |
| 22:36.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | he back? |
| 22:36.47 | sancus | how can you play an mmog and not be an elitist |
| 22:36.49 | Kirkburn | Rustak = vlad_ |
| 22:36.51 | sancus | never quite understood that |
| 22:36.51 | Apollozeus | back from japan |
| 22:36.53 | Apollozeus | :P |
| 22:37.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | welcome back vlad_ |
| 22:37.07 | Apollozeus | he's afk ;p |
| 22:37.08 | Kirkburn | Yeah, he was on holiday :) |
| 22:37.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | ow, that explains |
| 22:37.14 | Apollozeus | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:IRC |
| 22:37.23 | Apollozeus | what do you guys think? |
| 22:37.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | so can we expect some new namespaces soon? |
| 22:37.29 | Kirkburn | Awesome! |
| 22:37.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | Yeah, I noticed that one Apollozeus |
| 22:37.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | and I'm VERY ahppy with it |
| 22:37.49 | Kirkburn | Really nice |
| 22:37.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | never could find the IRC channel link >< |
| 22:37.53 | sancus | if I'm not on cutting edge content in one of the best guilds in the game, it becomes fairly boring to me |
| 22:38.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | sancus |
| 22:38.04 | Apollozeus | I didn't create the page Patrigan-Syldra :P |
| 22:38.08 | Apollozeus | just added the graphic |
| 22:38.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | you know what I as an experienced GL am goiing to do |
| 22:38.13 | Kirkburn | How many places do I have to add the link?? |
| 22:38.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | as many as possible |
| 22:38.24 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 22:38.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'm going to start a HealerClass only guild |
| 22:38.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | and then I attempt to achieve what you elitists speak so high off |
| 22:38.41 | sancus | cute gimmick |
| 22:38.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | it won't be easy |
| 22:38.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | but it will be a whole lot cooler than what you do |
| 22:39.04 | sancus | maybe possible now that Blizzard's decided that pure classes need to become obsolete |
| 22:39.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | well, the only problem I see are a few class specific things |
| 22:39.30 | sancus | like |
| 22:39.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | and perhaps a bit of CC |
| 22:39.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | Banish |
| 22:39.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | (many demons in BC :p) |
| 22:39.41 | sancus | probably doable anyway |
| 22:39.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | disarm trap |
| 22:40.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | banish is doable thanks to many offtanks and healers |
| 22:40.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | disarm trap >.> |
| 22:40.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | well, try doing suppresion with such a guild is impossible |
| 22:40.28 | sancus | I can't see warriors being needed with how good druids and paladins are now |
| 22:40.28 | foxlit | Priests, paladins, druids and shamans, then? |
| 22:40.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | doable maybe with slowdown |
| 22:40.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | yes |
| 22:40.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | beartanks are alrdy a whole lto better than warriors |
| 22:40.41 | sancus | rogues are obviously not good for anything |
| 22:40.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | 4 classes total |
| 22:40.45 | sancus | mages definitely not |
| 22:40.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | each class gets all gear for their armorclass |
| 22:41.08 | sancus | the only class you might miss are warlocks |
| 22:41.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | now that setitems have multiple versions |
| 22:41.30 | sancus | Which is exactly why I think rogues and mages are terrible now |
| 22:41.40 | foxlit | AoE is a bit lacking there. |
| 22:41.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | nope |
| 22:41.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | Hurricane |
| 22:41.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | Holy Nova |
| 22:41.55 | sancus | hurricane is a very poor ae |
| 22:42.00 | sancus | and holy nova drains mana like crazy |
| 22:42.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | Fire totems |
| 22:42.07 | *** part/#wowwiki mahtov (n=VHirst@63.240.103.251) |
| 22:42.08 | sancus | that said, it's still possibly doable |
| 22:42.11 | foxlit | Huricane has a 1m cooldown |
| 22:42.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | and the druids consagration thingy |
| 22:42.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's poor |
| 22:42.22 | sancus | especially since they're going to be designing encounters for gimped 10-target limited AoE |
| 22:42.28 | foxlit | Holy Nova drains mana like hell. |
| 22:42.34 | sancus | foxlit: yeah but dont forget |
| 22:42.37 | equiraptor | Is tranq shot going to continue to be used, or is it out? |
| 22:42.41 | sancus | he'll have at least 4 or 5 shadow priests I would expect |
| 22:42.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | equiraptor that's the main question atm |
| 22:42.48 | sancus | so *every group* is going to have that borderline exploit overpowered mana regen |
| 22:42.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | however with increased healing, it might be outhealable |
| 22:43.07 | sancus | it might make up for holy nova's drain |
| 22:43.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | yes sancus |
| 22:43.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | and blessing of Wisdom |
| 22:43.57 | sancus | it's possibly doable |
| 22:43.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | and then a thingy that pallies can do on the enemy which is kept up with crusader strike |
| 22:43.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | mana regen will eb rather high i reckon |
| 22:43.57 | sancus | of course you won't keep up with top 5 or 10 worldwide guilds |
| 22:43.57 | sancus | but I doubt you care about that |
| 22:44.27 | foxlit | AoEs do not proc judgement of wisdom. |
| 22:44.28 | *** join/#wowwiki Patrigan-Syldra (n=iron_pla@54.56-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 22:44.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | gah DC |
| 22:44.50 | sancus | I personally can't wait to enjoy the obscene <3 of pallies |
| 22:44.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | either way, it'll be challenging |
| 22:45.00 | sancus | who needs scorch and aggro management? NOT ME! |
| 22:45.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | but, hey, I'll have fun |
| 22:45.21 | vlad_ | it's too bad that you have to go out of your way to find something fun to do |
| 22:45.24 | Kirkburn | I think it needs more work: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:IRC (any ideas Apollozeus?) |
| 22:45.38 | Apollozeus | hmm |
| 22:45.41 | Apollozeus | list of ops? |
| 22:45.41 | sancus | vlad: I expect BC to be fun for about 2 months |
| 22:45.47 | Apollozeus | code of conduct? |
| 22:45.49 | sancus | then it will be the same old nonsense |
| 22:45.49 | Kirkburn | Nah, same as the list of admins |
| 22:45.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | nah, longer |
| 22:45.59 | foxlit | Cut the "m" out of "irc" for bonus points :) |
| 22:46.03 | sancus | and I'll go back to playing EVE, which isn't designed by incompetents |
| 22:46.04 | Kirkburn | BC is awesome :D |
| 22:46.05 | equiraptor | Ewwww, mIRC? |
| 22:46.23 | sancus | keeping in mind that I've already done a good portion of the content in BC :P |
| 22:46.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | sancus I'm pretty sure that people who think like you can be missed (no offense) |
| 22:46.54 | sancus | anyone can be missed |
| 22:46.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | I never played the game for the content |
| 22:47.02 | sancus | WoW doesn't have a meaningful community |
| 22:47.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | I played the game for the people I play with |
| 22:47.05 | Kirkburn | I reckon there's more content in BC than you think :) |
| 22:47.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | for the projects I set up |
| 22:47.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | for assisting the work on the wowwiki |
| 22:47.20 | sancus | Kirkburn: er, more content than I think that I have already done? :P |
| 22:47.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 22:47.25 | vlad_ | wow's community is the people you play with, and that's about it |
| 22:47.31 | Apollozeus | zul'aman and the black temple are yet to be opened |
| 22:47.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | or talk with |
| 22:47.35 | vlad_ | some external communities like wowwiki |
| 22:47.36 | vlad_ | and that's about it |
| 22:47.38 | Kirkburn | Yeah, they added lots of stuff in the low level areas, I went back and did lots |
| 22:47.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | like what I'm doing atm |
| 22:47.39 | equiraptor | heh |
| 22:47.40 | vlad_ | there's no global wow community |
| 22:47.41 | sancus | zul'aman and the black temple are post-bc patches |
| 22:47.42 | sancus | they are not in bc |
| 22:47.48 | equiraptor | I don't play with most of the people I talk with about WoW. :) |
| 22:47.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | vlad_ I'm currently working on my realm community |
| 22:47.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | and I must say |
| 22:48.05 | Kirkburn | Too many people for a global comminuty, unfortunately :/ |
| 22:48.11 | Apollozeus | that's what I said sancus |
| 22:48.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | since that we started working on the realm community |
| 22:48.13 | sancus | Kirkburn: not really |
| 22:48.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | BWL pugs and the likes have been popping up |
| 22:48.22 | sancus | There's 200 little fragmented communities because of the seperate servers |
| 22:48.25 | vlad_ | Patrigan-Syldra: any of those people could disappear |
| 22:48.30 | Kirkburn | You expect to be able to form a good clique with 4 million people? :P |
| 22:48.34 | sancus | no |
| 22:48.34 | vlad_ | and their loss would be noticed |
| 22:48.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | true vlad_ |
| 22:48.45 | vlad_ | but it would have very little effect on the game |
| 22:48.53 | sancus | kirkburn: the size of a wow community is about 5000 people |
| 22:48.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | true true |
| 22:49.00 | sancus | that's very small |
| 22:49.07 | Kirkburn | I can see the difference between EVE and WoW, really helps the way EVE is set up |
| 22:49.13 | sancus | yes, it does |
| 22:49.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | however |
| 22:49.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | EVE has a whole lot less players than WoW |
| 22:49.30 | sancus | WoW probably can't technically function in an EVE structure |
| 22:49.31 | Kirkburn | sancus, I agree that they need to support individual realms more. A single forum isn't the best. |
| 22:49.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | that makes a difference |
| 22:49.38 | vlad_ | Patrigan-Syldra: overall? yes. per server? far more. |
| 22:49.47 | sancus | EVE has about 300,000 players |
| 22:49.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | wow has 5million |
| 22:49.58 | sancus | Which is about 15% of what WoW has in North America |
| 22:49.58 | Apollozeus | 7 |
| 22:50.03 | sancus | but they're all on _one_ server |
| 22:50.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | 7 all the same XD |
| 22:50.08 | Kirkburn | EU + NA = 4 million :) |
| 22:50.09 | sancus | imagine a WoW server with 300000 people on it |
| 22:50.10 | vlad_ | with, on average, 20-30k logged in one time |
| 22:50.20 | sancus | it wouldnt work at all |
| 22:50.22 | Apollozeus | no |
| 22:50.29 | Apollozeus | china has more than EU and NA combined |
| 22:50.31 | Kirkburn | I wouldn't expect most people to understand the chinese |
| 22:50.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | 30k on our server last time I ran the census |
| 22:50.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | peak hours ofc |
| 22:50.45 | Kirkburn | They've hit over 8 million |
| 22:50.47 | vlad_ | but that's because the wow world is small, and also because wow really gives you no reason to form a community in-game |
| 22:50.47 | sancus | NA has roughly 2 million last I checked |
| 22:50.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | 12k horde and 18k alliance |
| 22:51.00 | vlad_ | we had very little reason to interact with anyone outside our guild |
| 22:51.05 | sancus | I dunno abut Euros |
| 22:51.06 | Kirkburn | So yes, china can be > 4 million |
| 22:51.10 | sancus | yeah |
| 22:51.16 | vlad_ | the only time we did was when we needed other people to farm for opening AQ gates |
| 22:51.17 | Kirkburn | Pretty sure EU is on par with NA |
| 22:51.25 | sancus | china's "players" are different tho, not really comparable to NA ones |
| 22:51.33 | Kirkburn | Totally different structure |
| 22:51.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | vlad_ that's what we're working on atm |
| 22:51.34 | Apollozeus | hmm :/ last figure I heard was NA 2 million and EU 1 million |
| 22:51.39 | Apollozeus | I guess I'm outdated :p |
| 22:51.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | creating a big community |
| 22:51.48 | Kirkburn | EU is a hell of a lot more now :) |
| 22:51.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | with PuGs from several guilds |
| 22:51.57 | foxlit | Let's play... Kill the talk page: http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:BlizzCon:_Stay_Tuned%21 |
| 22:52.02 | vlad_ | pugs are horrible |
| 22:52.04 | vlad_ | lead to nothing but trouble |
| 22:52.05 | sancus | at the end of the day |
| 22:52.07 | sancus | WoW is disneyland |
| 22:52.11 | sancus | disneyland gets boring too fast |
| 22:52.13 | Apollozeus | hahaha |
| 22:52.13 | vlad_ | yes |
| 22:52.16 | vlad_ | you get to go on the rides |
| 22:52.19 | Apollozeus | what a great quote |
| 22:52.25 | vlad_ | but they're always identical for the next person |
| 22:52.35 | sancus | and once you've done the ride |
| 22:52.37 | sancus | you've done it, it never changes |
| 22:52.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | and yet |
| 22:52.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | many persons go back each year |
| 22:52.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | to redo it |
| 22:53.02 | vlad_ | no, they usually go with someone else |
| 22:53.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | yup |
| 22:53.17 | sancus | Disneyland is easy and fun if you don't go there that often |
| 22:53.35 | sancus | If you go there on a daily basis for 4 hours, sooner or later you want to kill yourself. |
| 22:53.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 22:53.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | well, that's not really comparable with WoW for me |
| 22:53.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | I can go online and just tlak |
| 22:54.00 | sancus | WoW is a casual game, through and through |
| 22:54.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | do nothing but talk |
| 22:54.04 | vlad_ | o/~ it's a small world after all! o/~ |
| 22:54.07 | sancus | sure |
| 22:54.14 | sancus | can go on IRC and just talk |
| 22:54.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | true |
| 22:54.33 | sancus | WoW has social benefits because of how many people's it has attracted |
| 22:54.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | can do both at the same time aswell |
| 22:54.42 | Apollozeus | social benefits? |
| 22:54.43 | sancus | and it has attracted them precisely because it's very simple, easy, and doesn't ask for much from its players |
| 22:54.49 | Apollozeus | lol, kinda the opposite :P |
| 22:54.50 | sancus | Apol: Yeah, compared to other mmos |
| 22:54.51 | *** part/#wowwiki foxlit (n=me@0x50c4b029.albnxx9.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 22:54.57 | vlad_ | note: there's nothing wrong with that kind of game |
| 22:55.10 | Apollozeus | ok, I give you that |
| 22:55.11 | vlad_ | but for hardcore/serious/whateveryouwanttocallthem mmo players, it gets boring fast |
| 22:55.16 | sancus | the problem I have with WoW |
| 22:55.19 | sancus | is not that it's casual |
| 22:55.25 | sancus | It's that it's casual |
| 22:55.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | oO |
| 22:55.37 | sancus | but it has developers working on it who refuse to admit it's casual and try to FORCE the end-game to be hardcore |
| 22:55.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | sense = 0 |
| 22:55.37 | Apollozeus | err...? |
| 22:55.44 | sancus | and it doesn't work |
| 22:55.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | sancus |
| 22:55.53 | vlad_ | yes |
| 22:56.02 | vlad_ | though I think they're recognizing some of that with BC |
| 22:56.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | problem with people like you is that you do exactly what you would expect to happen |
| 22:56.05 | vlad_ | but even then |
| 22:56.07 | sancus | yeah probably |
| 22:56.13 | vlad_ | raising level = artifical timesink |
| 22:56.22 | sancus | that's why they made Karazhan and cut the raids down to 25 |
| 22:56.58 | sancus | and from what I've seen |
| 22:56.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | have you ever considered to do something different? |
| 22:56.58 | sancus | Karazhan loot is on par with the tier 5 25-mans ;p |
| 22:56.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | ever attempted to do UBRS with 2 men? |
| 22:56.58 | Apollozeus | it's going to take hours to get attuned for all the instances |
| 22:56.58 | Apollozeus | especially hyjal |
| 22:56.58 | sancus | Our guild was the first guild to ever do 3-man ubrs from start to finish |
| 22:56.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | haha yeah XD |
| 22:57.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | your guild |
| 22:57.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | but I'm talking about YOU |
| 22:57.21 | vlad_ | what's the point? |
| 22:57.21 | sancus | no I don't much care for that sort of thing |
| 22:57.27 | vlad_ | there is ZERO point to doing 3-man ubrs |
| 22:57.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | and yet, it gets boring for you |
| 22:57.28 | sancus | you want to get a shovel and dig for fun that way? |
| 22:57.29 | sancus | ooookay |
| 22:57.36 | Apollozeus | vlad_ |
| 22:57.39 | Apollozeus | there is |
| 22:57.40 | sancus | I'll go do something that's fun from the start, thanks |
| 22:57.42 | Apollozeus | getting your name out |
| 22:57.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | have you ever attempted to gather every friggin tailoring recipe |
| 22:57.45 | Apollozeus | :p |
| 22:57.48 | sancus | rofl |
| 22:57.55 | vlad_ | and needing to invent artificial "fun" sucks |
| 22:57.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | I have them all on my horde char... |
| 22:57.59 | sancus | sorry, but grinding tasks are not fun |
| 22:58.03 | sancus | congratz? |
| 22:58.11 | sancus | WoW is so casual and so empty of grinding |
| 22:58.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | well, i have the bragging rights now yeah |
| 22:58.14 | vlad_ | I bet you can make mad profit from tailoring! |
| 22:58.15 | vlad_ | oh wait. |
| 22:58.16 | sancus | that the hardcore need to MAKE UP SHIT to have something to do |
| 22:58.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | shush vlad_ ! :p |
| 22:58.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 22:58.33 | Tekkub | eh? |
| 22:58.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | I make about 50-75g each time I make flarecore legginfs |
| 22:58.42 | sancus | especially the non-raiding hardcore |
| 22:58.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | 20-40g per Nature res part |
| 22:58.48 | sancus | those people are fucked :P |
| 22:59.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | and 15-20g every few days with mooncloth |
| 22:59.25 | sancus | I sure wish gold had a use in WoW |
| 22:59.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | people need to make up stuff in every single game |
| 22:59.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's justa game's nature |
| 22:59.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | eventually you will have finished EVE |
| 22:59.57 | sancus | ??? |
| 23:00.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | you can try FFXI then |
| 23:00.03 | sancus | no |
| 23:00.04 | vlad_ | heh |
| 23:00.05 | Tekkub | so... vlad_Rustak... |
| 23:00.10 | sancus | EVE isn't that kind of a game. |
| 23:00.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | eventually you will have that finished... |
| 23:00.16 | sancus | It's not a static content game |
| 23:00.29 | vlad_ | it's not possible to finish EVE |
| 23:00.36 | vlad_ | Tekkub: ? |
| 23:00.43 | sancus | You've finished EVE when you've taken over every single bit of territory in the game and you're the leader of a 50,000 person alliance |
| 23:00.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | nor is it possible to finish WoW for many players |
| 23:00.47 | sancus | It hasn't been done yet :P |
| 23:00.56 | vlad_ | Patrigan-Syldra: but it is possible to do so, and many people have |
| 23:00.56 | Tekkub | is it possible to finish ANY MMO? ... PM ^^ |
| 23:01.07 | sancus | it's possible to finish WoW, yes |
| 23:01.10 | Apollozeus | it is |
| 23:01.14 | Kirkburn | *just* |
| 23:01.15 | Apollozeus | collecting every single piece of gear |
| 23:01.18 | sancus | until their glacially slow patching system patches something new in, yes |
| 23:01.21 | Apollozeus | get exalted with any faction |
| 23:01.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | Apollozeus |
| 23:01.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | they think that's not needed |
| 23:01.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | that's not finishing WOW |
| 23:01.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | for them |
| 23:01.41 | Kirkburn | Let's hope the next expansion takes a year like they 'promised' |
| 23:01.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | and that's where they make the mistake |
| 23:01.55 | sancus | there's at least a dozen people in my guild who had exalted with every faction in the game long before BC alpha even started |
| 23:02.06 | Apollozeus | jesus |
| 23:02.09 | Apollozeus | grinding freaks |
| 23:02.17 | sancus | ya I think it's crazy myself :p |
| 23:02.20 | sancus | because it's completely useless |
| 23:02.24 | sancus | you dont actually use anything from those factions |
| 23:02.26 | Apollozeus | but what about the bloodsail buccaneers? |
| 23:02.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | no not useless |
| 23:02.28 | Apollozeus | :P |
| 23:02.30 | sancus | but hey, some people like to say that it's an 'accomplishment' |
| 23:02.34 | sancus | even though you didn't do anything hard |
| 23:02.36 | sancus | just time consuming |
| 23:02.53 | Apollozeus | yep |
| 23:03.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | Well... |
| 23:03.08 | sancus | which is fine, I mean, if you get off on that, but it's an awfully low amount of enjoyment for the time put in |
| 23:03.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | dependson how you do it |
| 23:03.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | alone doesn't seem too fun |
| 23:03.28 | Apollozeus | haha, maybe a wintersaber ;p |
| 23:03.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | but if you are with others... |
| 23:03.37 | Apollozeus | or something else semi-useless |
| 23:03.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Seeping_Willow |
| 23:03.54 | sancus | being with others makes anything more fun |
| 23:03.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | somehting is VERY odd about that page |
| 23:04.11 | Apollozeus | that thing being...? |
| 23:04.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 23:04.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'm not sure |
| 23:04.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | but on that page |
| 23:04.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | it refers to the weapon as seeping and as sleeping |
| 23:04.38 | Tekkub | vlad_, since PM seems to be defucked (damn you freenode!) ... you get my email with the CSS fix? |
| 23:04.44 | Apollozeus | I see |
| 23:04.50 | vlad_ | oh, right, stupid freenode |
| 23:04.54 | Kirkburn | register! |
| 23:04.57 | vlad_ | i am |
| 23:04.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 23:05.02 | Apollozeus | hmm, let's see what thottbot says |
| 23:05.03 | Kirkburn | oh lol |
| 23:05.05 | Tekkub | am I not? |
| 23:05.14 | Apollozeus | thottbot says Seeping Willow |
| 23:05.17 | Tekkub | yea I'm idented |
| 23:05.18 | Apollozeus | so Seeping Willow it is |
| 23:05.19 | Apollozeus | :P |
| 23:05.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | ^^ |
| 23:05.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | fixed it then ^^ |
| 23:05.58 | Apollozeus | damnit |
| 23:06.02 | Apollozeus | beat me to it :P |
| 23:06.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | ^^ |
| 23:06.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | wished I alrdy reached 500 edits |
| 23:06.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | but I'm progressing too slow |
| 23:06.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | hate university >.> |
| 23:06.31 | Apollozeus | done that yesterday |
| 23:06.32 | Apollozeus | :) |
| 23:06.57 | Teomyr | today i tried another approach to save WDB data for retrieval by wiki pages |
| 23:06.58 | Kirkburn | Patrigan-Syldra, I bet it's cause I delete all your edits ;) |
| 23:07.11 | Teomyr | but i guess my server didn't quite like the 44MB xml file :> |
| 23:07.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | OMG Kirkburn! /cry |
| 23:07.34 | Kirkburn | Teomyr, what's the link to your test wiki? vlad_ might be interested at some point |
| 23:07.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | cool, you can get an IRL Frostmourne :o |
| 23:07.53 | Kirkburn | (i.e. we'll make him interested, muahahaha) |
| 23:08.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 23:08.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | how can you not be interested in tooltips |
| 23:08.14 | Teomyr | hrhr |
| 23:08.18 | Teomyr | http://simonveith.de/wowwikitest/index.php/Main_Page |
| 23:08.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | and automatic generated itempages? |
| 23:08.30 | Teomyr | but i'm reworking the wdb integration |
| 23:08.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | nice deal on the underlines btw! |
| 23:09.03 | Kirkburn | Nice icon stuff |
| 23:09.15 | Teomyr | thanks! :) |
| 23:09.16 | Tekkub | oh yea, someone link vlad_ up with that testing wiki with the nice item tooltips and shit |
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| 23:09.26 | Tekkub | was it Teomyr's? |
| 23:09.31 | Kirkburn | yup :P |
| 23:09.34 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 23:09.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | oooh |
| 23:09.43 | Kirkburn | Teomyr, would the icons need editing though? |
| 23:09.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | like the icon cropping thingy btw |
| 23:09.47 | vlad_ | heh, I had the item tooltips running on wowwiki |
| 23:09.53 | vlad_ | well, on a test one |
| 23:10.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | Kirkburn imo it looks better |
| 23:10.02 | Kirkburn | I recall you mentioning it |
| 23:10.11 | Teomyr | i wrote a php script to convert, crop and upload all the wow icons |
| 23:10.21 | vlad_ | but I never had a chance to get it into the real one, because I wasn't sure if there were issues with using the data from thottbot/allakhazam/etc. |
| 23:10.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | and the stack size is nice too |
| 23:10.38 | Kirkburn | vlad_, it's not a problem afaik |
| 23:10.43 | Tekkub | vlad_, we can parse WDB data on our own if we have to |
| 23:10.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | what tekkub said |
| 23:11.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | and I bet we will have many players doing it |
| 23:11.02 | Tekkub | personally, ask WoWHead if we can hook up with them as a data source |
| 23:11.17 | Tekkub | but that's so we don't have to duplicate work to get us tooltips :) |
| 23:11.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | yup |
| 23:11.34 | Teomyr | i think wowhead would rather have users who put comments in their database |
| 23:11.49 | Tekkub | yea... that's the underlying problem... |
| 23:11.58 | Teomyr | they've announced xml feeds, but they don't seem to be finished in a while |
| 23:12.22 | Tekkub | but I'm guessing if we can convert WDB into a database (we can make CSV easy) then the DB could generate tooltips a ton easier than a wiki template |
| 23:12.25 | Tekkub | and a lot faster |
| 23:12.48 | Tekkub | and proper cloroed links... |
| 23:12.59 | Tekkub | {{Item Link|Big Bear Bone}} |
| 23:13.01 | Kirkburn | cloroed? |
| 23:13.03 | Kirkburn | oh |
| 23:13.06 | Kirkburn | coloured :P |
| 23:13.07 | Teomyr | yeah, i could implement that also in php, but i thought using a template was better because it's more flexible |
| 23:13.31 | Tekkub | well the template could have the underlying DB query |
| 23:13.55 | Tekkub | it'd look up the quality and create a span with the correct CSS call |
| 23:14.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | Kirkburn COLORED minus the u learn it god damn english :p |
| 23:14.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | the question is |
| 23:14.26 | Kirkburn | Yeah, goddamn english people using english english! |
| 23:14.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | do we have the space for a database? |
| 23:14.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | everyone always says that we have plenty of space |
| 23:14.52 | Kirkburn | I think vlad_ said space wasn't an issue, but not sure if it's still true? |
| 23:14.58 | vlad_ | plenty of space |
| 23:15.02 | Kirkburn | Awesome |
| 23:15.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | but I wouldn't underestimate these databases |
| 23:15.04 | vlad_ | item db shouldn't take up that much space anyway |
| 23:15.10 | Kirkburn | Just too many damn users ;) |
| 23:15.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | well... |
| 23:15.17 | Tekkub | I have plenty of space in my pants |
| 23:15.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | Tekkub |
| 23:15.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | I don't :( |
| 23:15.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | 33567 items, 266179 NPCs, 5625 quests, 2690 recipes, 1420 class skills |
| 23:16.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | thottbot database |
| 23:16.17 | Teomyr | yay, (preliminary) dbc parsing! |
| 23:16.21 | Teomyr | {{dbc:Spell|5|Name}} => Death Touch |
| 23:17.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | so even a spell database aswell? |
| 23:17.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | seems overpowered :o |
| 23:17.12 | Teomyr | :D |
| 23:17.37 | Kirkburn | Oh god, on TV now: "Shock Docs: Autopsy 12" |
| 23:17.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | we'll get other sites crying to nerf WoWwiki |
| 23:17.52 | Kirkburn | yeah, well, up theirs :P |
| 23:17.55 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 23:17.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 23:18.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | a database would eb the perfect way to counter the "wowwiki is unreliable, considering normal players update it" |
| 23:18.35 | Teomyr | exactly! that's the nice thing about it |
| 23:19.01 | Teomyr | upload a new dbc/wdb cache file, re-generate some pages and that's it |
| 23:19.29 | vlad_ | the thing is, going to wowwiki for item stats imo isn't that useful |
| 23:19.29 | Kirkburn | I used to think the wiki was unreliable, but it annoys me (now I know it) when people disparage it |
| 23:19.32 | vlad_ | let other sites pull that data out |
| 23:19.43 | Kirkburn | Especially some lore people :( |
| 23:19.44 | vlad_ | but wowwiki should tell you -about- the item, etc. |
| 23:19.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | well vlad_ |
| 23:20.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | you need to have something to talk about |
| 23:20.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | someting more than just an item name |
| 23:20.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | besides |
| 23:20.27 | Kirkburn | The stuff the wiki can cover best is lore, NPCs, quests, and gameplay |
| 23:20.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | I see a good future for many possibilities |
| 23:20.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | perhaps a "tanking points list" |
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| 23:21.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | with items that have the best tanking points |
| 23:21.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | constantly generated from the database |
| 23:21.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | would be possible |
| 23:21.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | (well that would depend on the scripting though >.>) |
| 23:21.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | but that's "talking" about items |
| 23:21.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | and talking with a true essence |
| 23:21.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | something that warriors need to see |
| 23:22.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | another possibility would be the use of a profile like Allakhazam profiles |
| 23:22.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | or maybe more like CTProfiles >.> |
| 23:22.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | add to that the tooltips |
| 23:23.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | and we actually just smacked ctprofiles in the face |
| 23:23.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | and all it needs is a small template |
| 23:23.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | where players have to fill in the right item... |
| 23:23.23 | Kirkburn | Ambitious, aintcha |
| 23:23.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | (would love to have that on my userpage ^^) |
| 23:23.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | always |
| 23:23.33 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 23:23.41 | Teomyr | ^^ |
| 23:23.47 | Kirkburn | Good thing your ambitious without being an arrogant ass :P |
| 23:23.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | you can't get a project to work, if you don't ahve ambitious people working on it! |
| 23:24.10 | Kirkburn | Not that I'm thinking of people in particular |
| 23:24.14 | Teomyr | blizzard is an arrogant ass, their file formats are hell to parse |
| 23:24.18 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 23:24.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 23:24.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | the biggest boss always is Tekkub |
| 23:24.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | Teomyr |
| 23:24.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | gah tabbed too much >.> |
| 23:24.39 | Teomyr | hehe |
| 23:24.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | hmmm just wondering about something |
| 23:24.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | do we have a viewers limit |
| 23:25.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | or better some rules of stuff we don't want to see |
| 23:25.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | gah, explaining bad... |
| 23:25.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | is there a rule on posting things on a userpage |
| 23:25.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | what are the limits of stories and such |
| 23:26.14 | Kirkburn | Anything legal |
| 23:26.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | and what if it's legal from a certian age? |
| 23:26.54 | Kirkburn | Also fine |
| 23:26.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | hmmm k. |
| 23:27.16 | Kirkburn | We already have an 'adult' story on the wiki I noticed ^^ |
| 23:27.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | that's why I asked |
| 23:27.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | read it a few days ago |
| 23:27.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | forgot to ask |
| 23:27.34 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 23:27.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | and can't find it XD |
| 23:27.39 | Kirkburn | It's fine |
| 23:27.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | k :) |
| 23:27.46 | Kirkburn | [someone's] first time |
| 23:27.54 | Teomyr | i almost thought you were going to upload porn to the wiki |
| 23:28.23 | Kirkburn | I know, I'm so disappointed |
| 23:28.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | >< |
| 23:28.31 | Teomyr | :( |
| 23:28.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | hey, that makes me wonder |
| 23:28.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | is ingame "porn" pictures allowed? oO |
| 23:29.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | I can see many men getting horny over things the new Blood Elves can do >.> |
| 23:29.35 | Kirkburn | err |
| 23:29.39 | Teomyr | machinima porn? |
| 23:30.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | ofc |
| 23:30.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | it alrdy exists btw :p |
| 23:30.43 | Teomyr | omg |
| 23:30.48 | Kirkburn | If it legal and within reason, nothing wrong with it |
| 23:30.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | and no, I'm not keeping myself busy with it |
| 23:31.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | I can see your sick minds rushing alrdy XD |
| 23:31.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | k |
| 23:31.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | another subject, namespaces? |
| 23:32.04 | Apollozeus | http://www.wowwiki.com/Help:Editing/Tipoftheday |
| 23:32.10 | Apollozeus | found another way to link to the chatroom |
| 23:32.11 | Apollozeus | ;p |
| 23:32.35 | Teomyr | vlad_: could an extension for this item-cache-thingy get some dedicated tables in the mysql db? |
| 23:32.40 | Kirkburn | Problem there I think ... it does one for each day of the month |
| 23:33.02 | Kirkburn | i.e. there's no 32nd day :P |
| 23:33.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | rework the tip of the day script then... |
| 23:33.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | to post the next every day |
| 23:33.13 | Teomyr | haha |
| 23:33.18 | Kirkburn | Change one of the other sillies =) |
| 23:33.23 | Apollozeus | uh oh |
| 23:33.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | would've been a much more logical change imo >.> |
| 23:34.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Karazhan ... This page needs SERIOUS reworking >< |
| 23:34.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | the opera bosses and where they come from have been noted 3 or 4 times oO |
| 23:34.55 | Kirkburn | lol, yeah |
| 23:35.06 | Kirkburn | fixxor, Patrigan-Syldra! Hit 500 with it ;) |
| 23:35.10 | Apollozeus | bah |
| 23:35.18 | Apollozeus | I hate these copy and paste jobs from blizzard pages |
| 23:35.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | and all those quotes from several pages, are they really needed? |
| 23:35.33 | Apollozeus | "From Karazhan on the Official World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade site:" |
| 23:35.45 | Apollozeus | just put the link up there :/ |
| 23:35.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | idd |
| 23:36.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | well, i'll get to it, but not today XD |
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| 23:36.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | tomorrow prolly |
| 23:36.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'm going to sleep I think :) |
| 23:37.08 | Apollozeus | 'Karazhan has been abandoned...but who knows what secrets Medivh hid in its depths, and what sort of new dangers are hidden in its echoing halls?' |
| 23:37.20 | Apollozeus | this RP way of phrasing is also inappropriate I think |
| 23:37.21 | Apollozeus | :/ |
| 23:37.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | yeah oO |
| 23:37.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | we need facts |
| 23:37.55 | Patrigan-Syldra | not silly RP |
| 23:37.58 | Kirkburn | Basically most of the 'preview' can go |
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| 23:38.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | as we say on our forum |
| 23:38.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | RP =======> that way |
| 23:38.13 | Apollozeus | XD |
| 23:38.26 | Apollozeus | Have you ever created a toon on an RP server |
| 23:38.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | oh and <================= that way for PvE servers if you don't like ganing |
| 23:38.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | ganking* |
| 23:38.36 | Apollozeus | and then walked to Goldshire |
| 23:38.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | My sister has >.> |
| 23:38.41 | Apollozeus | and see the nonsense there |
| 23:38.42 | Apollozeus | XD |
| 23:38.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | and it's just too funny ^^ |
| 23:38.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | well... |
| 23:38.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | try searching for the dark alleys in IF |
| 23:38.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | or SW |
| 23:39.08 | Apollozeus | LOL IM A LEVEL 12 PALADIN I GOT 20S IM GUN SPEND IT ALL ON BEER |
| 23:39.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | or go to the subway |
| 23:39.28 | Kirkburn | Cut-throat Alley ftw? |
| 23:39.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | always some porn in near poor nessy :< |
| 23:39.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 23:39.40 | Apollozeus | rp servers are full of perverts |
| 23:39.41 | Apollozeus | :p |
| 23:39.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | idd |
| 23:39.52 | Apollozeus | 'lol, they've gone upstairs they b banging' |
| 23:39.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | or the naked dancing elves in the park of SW >.> |
| 23:40.03 | Apollozeus | I never go to the park of SW |
| 23:40.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | you better don't |
| 23:40.15 | Apollozeus | not on RP servers and not in 'regular' servers |
| 23:40.20 | Apollozeus | :p |
| 23:40.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | well, if you are a druid you will :p |
| 23:41.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | but don't ever roll druid on an RP server I advise you XD |
| 23:41.01 | Apollozeus | silly 12 year olds expressing their sexual frustration in a game |
| 23:41.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | don't want to know what horde side will look |
| 23:41.13 | Apollozeus | ok, I'm taking that advise into account |
| 23:41.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | prolly zillions of orcs raping those poor blood elves >.> |
| 23:41.26 | Apollozeus | ROFL |
| 23:41.39 | Apollozeus | orcs and trolls cussing out blood elves |
| 23:41.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | sad part is, I would actually imagine an orc doing that |
| 23:41.46 | Apollozeus | it's going to be common sight I think |
| 23:42.04 | Apollozeus | and sadly, it's not going to be RP-server exclusive :/ |
| 23:42.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | haha ^^ |
| 23:42.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | ah well |
| 23:42.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | we'll learn to live with it I reckon ^^ |
| 23:42.47 | Apollozeus | yep, but sad thing is |
| 23:42.53 | Apollozeus | the horde still thinks they're more mature |
| 23:42.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | I've seen orcs raping undead females (or is that more necrofilia? oO) |
| 23:43.03 | Apollozeus | while I don't see alliance people cussing out draenei |
| 23:43.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | oh, don't think there won't be stuff like that |
| 23:43.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | those female Draenei, might have hooves, but that doesn't make them less hot |
| 23:43.31 | Apollozeus | of course there will be |
| 23:43.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | in comparison to the cows >.> |
| 23:43.38 | Apollozeus | but on a much smaller scale |
| 23:43.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | true true |
| 23:43.57 | Apollozeus | there are also people swearing at those cute little gnomes |
| 23:43.58 | Apollozeus | :p |
| 23:44.12 | Apollozeus | with pink beards and funny glasses |
| 23:44.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 23:44.33 | Apollozeus | I wonder why one would roll such a characer though o.O |
| 23:44.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | fun? oO |
| 23:44.46 | Apollozeus | gnomes with pink hear? |
| 23:44.49 | Apollozeus | hell no XD |
| 23:45.09 | Apollozeus | hair* |
| 23:45.11 | Apollozeus | damnit |
| 23:45.17 | Apollozeus | my spelling has gone down the drain |
| 23:45.22 | Teomyr | gnomevasion! |
| 23:46.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 23:46.10 | Apollozeus | XD |
| 23:46.15 | Apollozeus | gnome march :D |
| 23:46.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | >.> |
| 23:46.54 | Apollozeus | :x |
| 23:46.55 | Apollozeus | hmm |
| 23:47.01 | Apollozeus | wowwiki needs better info on mounts |
| 23:47.10 | Apollozeus | as of now, even worldofwarcraft.com has got better info :/ |
| 23:47.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | well copy paste? |
| 23:47.34 | Apollozeus | I will |
| 23:47.35 | Apollozeus | tomorrow |
| 23:47.36 | Apollozeus | D: |
| 23:47.43 | Apollozeus | there are a lot of tasteful pictures on there |
| 23:48.03 | Apollozeus | all the faction mounts in all available colours |
| 23:48.10 | Apollozeus | + pvp and class mounts |
| 23:50.55 | Patrigan-Syldra | wonder if you can innervate Shade of Aran oO |
| 23:52.06 | Apollozeus | I don't have the slightest idea |
| 23:52.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | if he runs out of mana, you're pretty much screwed |
| 23:55.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | ah well, going to bed |
| 23:55.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | GN people :) |
| 23:55.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | and remembe rot fix those namespaces! |
| 23:56.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | remember to* >< |
