irclog2html for #wowwiki on 20061229

`00:00.02`	`RickJames`	`i dont have to deal with that`
`00:00.09`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`the news is fairly new so it seems`
`00:00.11`	`RickJames`	`i have a video signal on my computer and records digital`
`00:00.17`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`so it's possible that noone has updated their website yet`
`00:00.51`	`Kirkburn`	`(I've posted this on two channels, so why not here too) ...`
`00:00.51`	`Kirkburn`	`Tseric says: "The expansion has already gone gold. We see no reason why the game isn't going to be on the shelves at the planned date."`
`00:01.09`	`RickJames`	`the topic of the news was mainly about how a new movie is going to be produced by jackson and speilberg and they focused mainly on how this movie is going to be based on a very popular online game`
`00:01.24`	`bleetah`	`Kirkburn: I wanna see a photo of the gold master`
`00:02.12`	`Kirkburn`	`Tseric reconfirms it several times`
`00:02.12`	`bleetah`	`'coz I know every company takes a few happy snaps of them`
`00:02.12`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`yup`
`00:02.12`	`Kirkburn`	`(http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=59493945&sid=1)`
`00:02.12`	`RickJames`	`to me it seems like blizz took allot of visual insperation from LOTR`
`00:02.12`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`ofc`
`00:02.12`	`[Zeal]`	`hm.. forgot legendary pictures are also doing 300`
`00:02.12`	`bleetah`	`it would've had to have gone gold before christmas, to get into the pressing/shipping channels for store stockage before release`
`00:02.47`	`*** join/#wowwiki Dissonanc (n=Dissonan@h94.183.29.71.ip.alltel.net)`
`00:02.51`	`RickJames`	`haha starting to sound like valve with their 3 year delay on half life 2 lol`
`00:03.23`	`[Zeal]`	`lies the expansion is gold.. god i hate companies that release stuff long before it ever should have been.. blizzard have slacked in that department since doing wow : /`
`00:03.41`	`Dissonanc`	`All right boys. How do I check if a variable is infinite in LUA? (I've tried isInf(myvariable) but it gives me an error saying: "attempt to call field 'isInf' (a nil value)"`
`00:03.42`	`[Zeal]`	`wow shouldn't have been out when it was.. wasn't ready : /`
`00:04.08`	`bleetah`	`Rumour control request post (re: movie) http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=59494210&postId=592591267`
`00:04.08`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`[Zeal]`
`00:04.17`	`Cairenn`	`Dissonanc: better to ask in #wowi-lounge`
`00:04.27`	`Cairenn`	`Dissonanc: that's the mod author channel`
`00:04.32`	`Dissonanc`	`Will do, thanks. :)`
`00:04.33`	`Kirkburn`	`Dissonanc, indeed, get on over there!`
`00:04.37`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nice post bleetah`
`00:04.41`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`you don't live in america`
`00:04.50`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`yet you have american acc?`
`00:05.17`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`k putting the post on auto-refresh now`
`00:05.23`	`[Zeal]`	`yes Patrigan-Syldra?`
`00:05.29`	`bleetah`	`US servers also host Oceania realms (for want of a better term, asian players who get gimped by a 300ms cross pacific latency, but at least all Oceanic realms have the same problem ;-)`
`00:05.43`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`XD`
`00:05.46`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`lol olo lol`
`00:05.55`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`poor you :p`
`00:05.58`	`Hobinheim`	`i didn't know lua handled infinity`
`00:06.03`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`GAH`
`00:06.06`	`RickJames`	`ill add a link to your post bleetah`
`00:06.10`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`stupid americans...`
`00:06.15`	`bleetah`	`and we end up sticking together, largely, on those realms, so an MC run all have the same latency gimpage, rather than half the raid at 15ms and the rest somewhere above 450ms`
`00:06.17`	`RickJames`	`ill upload it to youtube`
`00:06.17`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`get faster trolls!`
`00:06.23`	`RickJames`	`hey im american buddy!`
`00:06.36`	`RickJames`	`and so is wow.. lol`
`00:06.53`	`Kirkburn`	`No, don't say such things!`
`00:07.05`	`Kirkburn`	`I live in hope we get a proper enGB localisation`
`00:07.23`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`no`
`00:07.29`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I can't stand seeing colour`
`00:07.32`	`bleetah`	`the day AT&T put a layer 2 across the pacific for WoW, or that Blizz puts a cluster in, say, singapore, will be the day several (x) thousands of english speaking asian living WoW players will celebrate`
`00:07.32`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`give me color!`
`00:07.34`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`DARN IT!`
`00:07.36`	`[Zeal]`	`what do you meant Kirkburn?`
`00:07.52`	`Kirkburn`	`English english spelling, not american english`
`00:07.57`	`bleetah`	`Kirkburn: pfft enGB.. I want enAU :P`
`00:08.00`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Colour instead of color`
`00:08.00`	`RickJames`	`Patrigan what nationality are you?`
`00:08.05`	`[Zeal]`	`enGB isn't already? bah : /`
`00:08.06`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`homour instead of humot`
`00:08.15`	`bleetah`	`and we could well do without 'fanny packs'`
`00:08.16`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and more of those moronic spellings`
`00:08.21`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`american >>>>>>>>>> english!`
`00:08.26`	`bleetah`	`given that fanny is not what enUS has it as`
`00:08.31`	`RickJames`	`ah i see`
`00:08.32`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`XD`
`00:08.35`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`true bleetah`
`00:08.37`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`love that!`
`00:08.56`	`*** part/#wowwiki Hobinheim (n=meatwad@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)`
`00:09.02`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`GAH! AMERICANS! STUPID!`
`00:09.02`	`RickJames`	`why such hate toward americans though?`
`00:09.05`	`bleetah`	`<remebers an episode of astroboy where someone spanked someone else's fanny, and i fell off my chair (I was 13 at the time)`
`00:09.07`	`Kirkburn`	`enAU is pretty much enGB already :P`
`00:09.11`	`[Zeal]`	`well engish language is crap enough as it is, america took the piss.`
`00:09.11`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`" As long as they don't have Jack Black in it i'm honestly fine with whatever actors they pick."`
`00:09.22`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I mean`
`00:09.28`	`bleetah`	`Kirkburn: just that every NPC would be called Bruce :-P`
`00:09.37`	`Kirkburn`	`And every female ... Sheila`
`00:09.39`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`can he honestly admit he doesn't know that spielberg and jackson are Directors and NOT actors..`
`00:09.48`	`Kirkburn`	`G'day Bruce!`
`00:09.58`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Bruce`
`00:10.00`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`you suck.`
`00:10.05`	`Bruce`	`Nawww`
`00:10.10`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`hate brittish english!`
`00:10.10`	`bleetah`	`and, if you know the skit at all, the ToS would be replaced by the rules for the Philosophy Dept. of the Uni of Wooloomooloo`
`00:10.14`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`british*`
`00:10.18`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`excuse me for that one :p`
`00:10.30`	`RickJames`	`well for what its worth we cant be to stupid... we are the best at everything and is the only country in the world to have people from every country int he world.`
`00:10.38`	`RickJames`	`plus we have better teeth lol`
`00:10.41`	`bleetah`	`what enUS called British English, is in fact, the English written by the vast majority of the commonwealth`
`00:10.47`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`RickJames`
`00:10.50`	`bleetah`	`as that includes India, that's a heck of a lot of people`
`00:10.56`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`America fails to be social`
`00:11.05`	`RickJames`	`how so?`
`00:11.09`	`bleetah`	`ipso facto, enGB spoken by more people than enUS`
`00:11.10`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`they don't even have a social net for those who are born in worse conditions`
`00:11.10`	`Bruce`	`Where's Bruce and Bruce?`
`00:11.26`	`bleetah`	`Bruce ain't here mate`
`00:11.33`	`RickJames`	`you dont know what your talking about lol`
`00:11.36`	`RickJames`	`did you read this somewhere?`
`00:11.37`	`bleetah`	`howls of derisive laughter`
`00:11.38`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`^^`
`00:11.40`	`RickJames`	`have you even been to the us?`
`00:11.41`	`RickJames`	`lol`
`00:11.43`	`Bruce`	`RickJames, don't be toooo patriotic now, eh`
`00:11.47`	`RickJames`	`im not`
`00:11.50`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`RickJames`
`00:11.51`	`RickJames`	`but that is a blatant lie`
`00:11.51`	`Bruce`	`Naww, I need Bruce, not Bruce!`
`00:11.54`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I've studied it :p`
`00:11.58`	`RickJames`	`well your wrong`
`00:11.59`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`happy now ^^`
`00:12.06`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`>.>`
`00:12.10`	`Bruce`	`<.<`
`00:12.15`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Americans`
`00:12.15`	`RickJames`	`the reason everyone wants to run to america is because you have guaranteed housing, medical benifits, and food`
`00:12.20`	`RickJames`	`even if youar an imigrant`
`00:12.25`	`RickJames`	`with no citizen rights`
`00:12.28`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`RickJames`
`00:12.30`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`ONLY`
`00:12.33`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`if you have money`
`00:12.39`	`RickJames`	`no your wrong`
`00:12.43`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`no I'm right XD`
`00:12.46`	`RickJames`	`you dont know what your talking about lol`
`00:12.50`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`>.>`
`00:12.52`	`RickJames`	`thats just a very ignorant remark`
`00:12.53`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`ouch...`
`00:12.53`	`Bruce`	`ack, stop it`
`00:12.59`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`that one hurts >.>`
`00:13.04`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`seriously t does :(`
`00:13.06`	`RickJames`	`iceland is full of ice!!! i tell yeah`
`00:13.09`	`RickJames`	`lol`
`00:13.25`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I've put in months of study on that one >.>`
`00:13.25`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and to hear that I'm worng...`
`00:13.31`	`RickJames`	`well buddy i live here`
`00:13.31`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`is painful...`
`00:13.31`	`RickJames`	`and your wrong`
`00:13.32`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`whgere exactly?`
`00:13.35`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`left or right?`
`00:13.36`	`RickJames`	`who ever fed you that is full of it`
`00:13.39`	`[Zeal]`	`hehe, new years day all starwars eps in order.`
`00:13.39`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`as in east or west?`
`00:13.48`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`bleh`
`00:13.53`	`RickJames`	`in america ther is a structure called social security and welfare`
`00:14.05`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I'm just happy that Lucas in the end decided NOT to make 7 8 and 9`
`00:14.11`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`RickJames`
`00:14.13`	`Bruce`	`The US is a very varied country`
`00:14.18`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`don't want to go into details on that one`
`00:14.23`	`Bruce`	`Just look at the trailer parks`
`00:14.29`	`RickJames`	`i have lived both in New York, in California and now Texas`
`00:14.31`	`Bruce`	`No country is perfect`
`00:14.33`	`RickJames`	`the 3 major states`
`00:14.41`	`RickJames`	`and they are tremendously diferent`
`00:14.44`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but social security and welfare is only for those who can afford it`
`00:14.48`	`RickJames`	`but what is the same is the laws, and the goverment structure`
`00:14.48`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`trust me`
`00:14.51`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`you haven't seen the poor`
`00:15.12`	`RickJames`	`no its not lol`
`00:15.12`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`on a sidish note...`
`00:15.12`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`how old are you?`
`00:15.12`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`just checking :p`
`00:15.12`	`RickJames`	`your funny lol`
`00:15.12`	`RickJames`	`im 22`
`00:16.44`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`hmmm`
`00:16.44`	`RickJames`	`dude you want me to prove it to you based on tv`
`00:16.45`	`RickJames`	`or music`
`00:16.45`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`how much money you earn per month?`
`00:16.45`	`Bruce`	`Seriously, though, sometimes you need to be outside the US to have a better perspective`
`00:16.45`	`RickJames`	`what do you think the "ghettos" are`
`00:16.45`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`ghettos?`
`00:16.45`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`those are nothing more but a place where many people of the same culture live`
`00:16.45`	`RickJames`	`yes you know the "hoods" that all these rapers glorify`
`00:16.45`	`Kirkburn`	`*rappers!`
`00:16.45`	`RickJames`	`its FREE public housing and living`
`00:16.45`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`hoods =/= ghetto's`
`00:16.45`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`rapers rappers all the same!`
`00:16.45`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`^^`
`00:16.56`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but remember that well RickJames`
`00:16.56`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`whatever they teach you at school`
`00:17.03`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Hoods will never be the same at ghetto's`
`00:17.05`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`as*`
`00:17.05`	`RickJames`	`i have a friend that moved to new york from slovakia and he was staying at a friends place in brooklyn that happend to be projects`
`00:17.10`	`RickJames`	`projects = pbulic housing`
`00:17.26`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`you do know that those houses aren't free?`
`00:17.34`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`they are called free`
`00:17.36`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but in fac`
`00:17.39`	`Kirkburn`	`Note that, unlike the US, the UK has a free health system.`
`00:17.47`	`RickJames`	`well he was saying that its amazing because that project facility was in better shape and class then most of the middle class neighborhoods in vienna and slovakia combined lol`
`00:17.53`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`people living there have to pay a small rent`
`00:17.57`	`RickJames`	`so does america`
`00:18.01`	`RickJames`	`its called medicare lol`
`00:18.02`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`RickJames`
`00:18.08`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`never said america is the worst`
`00:18.15`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`just that america has a really bad system`
`00:18.20`	`RickJames`	`yeah ok your right man`
`00:18.29`	`RickJames`	`since you have lived all your life in the states you know more then i do`
`00:18.33`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`you wouldn't want to know what I discovered about those countries in eastern Europe >.>`
`00:18.34`	`Kirkburn`	`I live in the UK. I don't wish to live in the US. Can't be the best country in the world, now, can it? ;)`
`00:18.40`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`RickJames`
`00:18.50`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I just studies your laws ^^`
`00:18.53`	`RickJames`	`i dont think it has to be about wanting to live anywhere`
`00:18.58`	`RickJames`	`i apreciate the uk`
`00:19.06`	`Kirkburn`	`"Best" is a subjective term`
`00:19.07`	`RickJames`	`but just because id ont want to live there dosnt mean that i dont like it lol`
`00:19.07`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`<= Belgian`
`00:19.15`	`*** join/#wowwiki ilk (n=fauxwedd@abq-216-31-115-34.dsl.zianet.com)`
`00:19.19`	`RickJames`	`well i was being sarcastic for being called stupid`
`00:19.33`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`hey I never called you stupid!`
`00:19.37`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`just told you some details`
`00:19.43`	`RickJames`	`i think that if the tables turn and came in here shouting that the british are stupid i would of had a completely dif reaction to the way i treated the matter`
`00:19.47`	`Kirkburn`	`You started with this, c'mon! What did you expect =) "well for what its worth we cant be to stupid... we are the best at everything and is the only country in the world to have people from every country int he world."`
`00:19.49`	`RickJames`	`i was very polite about the situation lol`
`00:19.51`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nah`
`00:19.56`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`british are indeed stupid >.>`
`00:20.00`	`Kirkburn`	`hehe`
`00:20.08`	`Kirkburn`	`Sometimes, sometimes`
`00:20.10`	`ilk`	`in other news, Day of the Dragon was ratherrr good.`
`00:20.12`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`even the belgians are`
`00:20.17`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`XD`
`00:20.22`	`RickJames`	`no i didint start this`
`00:20.22`	`Kirkburn`	`ilk, I agree, but WotA is better :P`
`00:20.28`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`to get on another subject huh ilk`
`00:20.29`	`RickJames`	`it all started with americans area stupid`
`00:20.30`	`bleetah`	`no, 3/4 of the british are fine.. it's the english you've got to worry about. :P`
`00:20.31`	`ilk`	`I haven't started.`
`00:20.34`	`RickJames`	`and i said hey im american! lol`
`00:20.36`	`ilk`	`But I will, soon.`
`00:20.42`	`ilk`	`I still need to buy the sundering`
`00:20.55`	`iko`	`oh shi`
`00:20.59`	`Kirkburn`	`bleetah, splitter!`
`00:20.59`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I need a way to buy those books >.>`
`00:21.02`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`my only chance is ebay!`
`00:21.08`	`RickJames`	`its like saying all british people have brown and crooked teeth are drunks and eat nothing more then fish and chips lol`
`00:21.14`	`bleetah`	`Kirkburn: but we are struggling together`
`00:21.19`	`Kirkburn`	`=)`
`00:21.19`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but searching warcraft on ebay yields completely unneeded things`
`00:21.27`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`RickJames`
`00:21.32`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah, the thing about british teeth is odd`
`00:21.33`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`perfect explanaation!`
`00:21.44`	`RickJames`	`its a stereotype`
`00:21.51`	`ilk`	`Wouldn't that be a better stereotype for asians?`
`00:21.51`	`RickJames`	`i have been to the uk`
`00:21.56`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Stereotypes are only apyable to humans`
`00:22.01`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I'm talking a lawsystem`
`00:22.02`	`RickJames`	`and can say that not all people are drunks and ugly lol`
`00:22.04`	`bleetah`	`I think it's got to do with the english inability to have a bath/shower more than once a year (the aussie stereotype of a pom)`
`00:22.05`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`a social lawsystem`
`00:22.09`	`Kirkburn`	`Patrigan-Syldra, and only those with two eyes ;)`
`00:22.15`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`true`
`00:22.15`	`bleetah`	`Kirkburn: quick question... do you think the term 'pom' is offensive?`
`00:22.16`	`*** part/#wowwiki Dissonanc (n=Dissonan@h94.183.29.71.ip.alltel.net)`
`00:22.23`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`pom?`
`00:22.24`	`Kirkburn`	`They'd be a monotype! Argh!`
`00:22.27`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`XD`
`00:22.27`	`bleetah`	`'coz some of the barmy army got a bit upset`
`00:22.36`	`bleetah`	`and not at losing the ashes, either`
`00:22.37`	`Kirkburn`	`Hmm, not really`
`00:22.42`	`ilk`	`pom`
`00:22.43`	`ilk`	`like`
`00:22.45`	`ilk`	`pom pom?`
`00:22.49`	`Kirkburn`	`Pomegranate`
`00:22.51`	`RickJames`	`but seriously Patrigan not because i am a patriot because in a sence im not since i dont support the current administrations beliefs`
`00:23.02`	`Kirkburn`	`(no really, it came form pomagranate for some arcane reason)`
`00:23.03`	`RickJames`	`but your ideas and views of america ar wrong`
`00:23.05`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`well, that's my whole point`
`00:23.08`	`ilk`	`pom pom?`
`00:23.08`	`bleetah`	`no kirk`
`00:23.11`	`ilk`	`pom pom.`
`00:23.12`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`the american social syustem is stupid`
`00:23.21`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and the americans are "stupid" for not changing it`
`00:23.30`	`RickJames`	`well tony blair is a carbon copy wannabe of the bush administration lol`
`00:23.38`	`RickJames`	`but bush does not make america`
`00:23.38`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`even though yearly 10000 of persons fall through the mazes of their social net`
`00:23.40`	`Kirkburn`	`"A contraction of pomegranate, rhyming slang for immigrant (“imme-granate”)."`
`00:23.43`	`RickJames`	`or the american public`
`00:23.44`	`bleetah`	`from the original settlers of australia, some eventually got released from their sentences, and were (in some ways) free men. a pom was a 'prisoner of mother england'`
`00:23.54`	`RickJames`	`your wrong`
`00:23.55`	`Kirkburn`	`bleetah, ner, ner!`
`00:23.59`	`RickJames`	`you are truly missinformed about america`
`00:24.04`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Well...`
`00:24.06`	`Kirkburn`	`http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pom`
`00:24.10`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`RickJames`
`00:24.12`	`bleetah`	`some paperwork form the time has pom on it :P`
`00:24.17`	`bleetah`	`*official`
`00:24.24`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`can't really say that stats taken from the american state website are wrong >.>`
`00:24.31`	`RickJames`	`so you know the current national bush support is at 22% in the unites states`
`00:24.32`	`bleetah`	`so, might be a reverse acronym, maybe`
`00:24.39`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`know that RickJames`
`00:24.43`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but as yoiu just said yourself`
`00:24.45`	`bleetah`	`see previous comment about wikipedia's authenticity`
`00:24.49`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`bush doesn't make the rules alone`
`00:24.57`	`RickJames`	`well to each their own`
`00:25.00`	`Kirkburn`	`bleetah, we're both right - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_British#Pommy`
`00:25.03`	`RickJames`	`lets just say im happy where im at and so are you`
`00:25.09`	`RickJames`	`and if we can get along in this chanel`
`00:25.31`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`^^`
`00:25.31`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`ofc`
`00:25.32`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`it's good living in america`
`00:25.32`	`RickJames`	`we should really go without critizing each other`
`00:25.32`	`bleetah`	`how frsutrating, http://www.abc.net.au/wordmap/ doesn't have it`
`00:25.32`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`as long as you don't fall through the social net that is`
`00:25.39`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nah`
`00:25.50`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`you should always critisize`
`00:25.58`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`or however you write the silly word`
`00:26.00`	`RickJames`	`lol ok`
`00:26.11`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`it's what allows for improvement`
`00:26.14`	`Kirkburn`	`bleetah, I love reading about the history of words, there's always so much controversy`
`00:26.14`	`RickJames`	`there is no social net here dude`
`00:26.18`	`Kirkburn`	`e.g. ...`
`00:26.20`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but you should be able to take criticism aswell`
`00:26.28`	`ilk`	`Welcome to the internet`
`00:26.30`	`RickJames`	`in this country you could do whatever the hell you want and no one will tell you different`
`00:26.37`	`Kirkburn`	`At everyone, do you know where the name America came from?`
`00:26.44`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`yes`
`00:26.59`	`Kirkburn`	`(If you can't get along in this channel, one of you will be kicked. Have a nice day =)`
`00:27.09`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`^^`
`00:27.13`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Kirkburn`
`00:27.21`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`it wasn't columbus who named it america`
`00:27.24`	`RickJames`	`and if you are poor you will have a guaranteed montly allowence called food stamps, if you have no medical or insurance the government will provide you and your family with what is called medicare and medicaide`
`00:27.34`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`O_O`
`00:27.36`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`too much text ^^`
`00:27.40`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`let's just drop it now ^^`
`00:27.46`	`RickJames`	`if you have no job they goverment will give you a monthly alowence based on your family size called unemployment benefit`
`00:27.53`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`RickJames`
`00:27.56`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`it's fine :)`
`00:27.57`	`Kirkburn`	`Same in most countries`
`00:28.00`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I believe you now :)`
`00:28.02`	`[Zeal]`	`hm.. i need to make sure i get all the different possible values for an item tooltip.. icon, rarity, name, quantiy (unqiue), quest item (?), bind, type, slot, speed, damage, dps (can i calc this with math?), attributes, durability, race requirement, class requirement, level requirement, faction requirement, proffession equirement, effect, comment, sell value, vendor value, item level. that should be them all and in order :s`
`00:28.04`	`RickJames`	`ill put it to you this way`
`00:28.05`	`Kirkburn`	`Anyway, back to my question!`
`00:28.15`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`RickJames drop it!`
`00:28.18`	`[Zeal]`	`*quantity`
`00:28.18`	`Kirkburn`	`[Zeal], wow`
`00:28.27`	`[Zeal]`	`hm.. er.. type damage too?`
`00:28.28`	`Kirkburn`	`*unique`
`00:28.44`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah, dmg type`
`00:28.44`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`how the fuck are you going to fit all that XD`
`00:28.45`	`[Zeal]`	`eg. +12 nature damage`
`00:28.52`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`damage type idd`
`00:28.54`	`Kirkburn`	`That's a bonus`
`00:29.01`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`perhaps..`
`00:29.02`	`RickJames`	`the reason why so many people want o migrate to the us is because the goverment will give you 400 dollars a month per child if you are unemployed (and that is cash not counting the housing, food, and medical that is also given)`
`00:29.11`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`atributes...`
`00:29.11`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`><`
`00:29.11`	`[Zeal]`	`does that come after damage, before dps?`
`00:29.11`	`RickJames`	`but thats that`
`00:29.11`	`RickJames`	`now you know`
`00:29.12`	`RickJames`	`lol`
`00:29.13`	`[Zeal]`	`*doesn't`
`00:29.15`	`Kirkburn`	`Wands do real type damage`
`00:29.22`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`not anymore afaik`
`00:29.37`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`think they fixed that a few patches ago`
`00:29.43`	`RickJames`	`what are good realms to play on?`
`00:29.49`	`[Zeal]`	`gah..`
`00:29.51`	`Kirkburn`	`Any of them ;)`
`00:30.00`	`[Zeal]`	`well if i miss anything, its easy enough to add later`
`00:30.04`	`[Zeal]`	`i'll try my best`
`00:30.26`	`[Zeal]`	`BoP and BoE, that's is right?`
`00:30.36`	`[Zeal]`	`*it`
`00:30.42`	`bleetah`	`Kirkburn: I recommend that .au wordmap site for you, lots of fun reading our weird language... we don't really have an accent differentiation between regions here (although, many say Tasmanian English is more rounded than elsewhere), it's more in the words used`
`00:31.02`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`[Zeal]`
`00:31.09`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`how is it going to sort the attributes?`
`00:31.24`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`because on the ingame items`
`00:31.26`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`you have`
`00:31.37`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`+30 spelldamage above the durability`
`00:31.59`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and equip: increases damage and healing with spells by up to 30.`
`00:32.05`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and that's below durability`
`00:32.37`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`"+30 spelldamage above the durability" as seeable on for instance cloth slippers of restoration (though as in +33 healing)`
`00:32.46`	`[Zeal]`	`you can list the attributs yourself, just use <br> if mroe than one. same does for equip. though, as suggested by adys, effects on items will use a template themselves later down the line.`
`00:32.59`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`yes`
`00:32.59`	`[Zeal]`	`*goes for`
`00:33.11`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but some atributes are not listed as effects`
`00:33.18`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`(never really understood that from blizz)`
`00:33.37`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`sometimes they have AP as a normal attribute and sometimes as an effect`
`00:33.52`	`[Zeal]`	`and? you jsut put it were it should be :S`
`00:34.02`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`hmmm...`
`00:34.07`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`good point`
`00:34.13`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`bleh`
`00:34.26`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`btw`
`00:34.38`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`how were things looking with the bot that was going to update item tips?`
`00:35.41`	`[Zeal]`	`dunno, that was Tekkub i beleive.`
`00:36.14`	`bleetah`	`no purl? /cry`
`00:36.57`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:36.57`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`He is working on the Halo movie:`
`00:36.57`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0464037/`
`00:37.00`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`hmmm`
`00:37.01`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`remarkable`
`00:37.15`	`bleetah`	`i said that earlier :P`
`00:37.35`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`never saw your halo remark :p`
`00:37.52`	`Kirkburn`	`'cept that the Halo movie is currently suspended`
`00:38.17`	`Kirkburn`	`(lack of funding)`
`00:38.47`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`idd`
`00:39.00`	`bleetah`	`Halo 3 got delayed, eh?`
`00:39.10`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Blizzard funds >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> microsoft funds`
`00:39.14`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`strangely enough XD`
`00:39.16`	`bleetah`	`maybe XBox 360 couldn't play it? ;-)`
`00:40.06`	`bleetah`	`bungie and blizz my fave two game development houses... yes, i lowered myself and bought an xbox to play halo`
`00:40.20`	`Kirkburn`	`I want a Wii`
`00:41.00`	`bleetah`	`i just can't bring myself to own some geek gear named 'urinate'`
`00:41.10`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Wii owns`
`00:41.28`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`seriously it's the best i Eever played`
`00:41.43`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Zelda`
`00:41.46`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nearly finished it`
`00:41.54`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`accumulated over 70 hours playtime`
`00:41.54`	`bleetah`	`does the remote have a mic in it?`
`00:41.58`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`in 4 days`
`00:42.04`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`mic, don't know`
`00:42.08`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but it has a speaker`
`00:42.28`	`bleetah`	`'coz, i could see it being a funky VoIP type thing`
`00:44.18`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`haha`
`00:44.26`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`well`
`00:44.36`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`they will probably release a mic extension soon enough`
`00:45.44`	`bleetah`	`i bought a nin ds the other day, going to put dslinux on it.. jsut a pity no one's reversed the mic driver yet`
`00:45.50`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`bleetah`
`00:45.58`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`halo movie got postponed till 2008`
`00:46.12`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and rickjames said that the warcraftmovie would release in 2008`
`00:48.28`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`fuck you americans >< so friggin useless on those forums`
`00:48.42`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`they rather whine than to talk about such a hot topic ><`
`00:48.49`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`gah, i'm going to bed...`
`00:48.51`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`too tired`
`00:48.53`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`gn guys`
`00:50.04`	`[Zeal]`	`bah.. css being weird`
`00:52.02`	`[Zeal]`	`wtf.. if there is only 1 list item, list-style: none; is buggy : /`
`00:53.21`	`Kirkburn`	`:/`
`00:53.58`	`[Zeal]`	`the bullet is there by default, but if you highlight the text in certain ways it goes..`
`00:54.08`	`[Zeal]`	`evne though it shouldn't be there at all : /`
`00:54.32`	`Kirkburn`	`Sounds fun`
`00:54.41`	`[Zeal]`	`oh well, there isn't any items with no information except a name in existance is there?`
`00:54.54`	`Kirkburn`	`Probably`
`00:55.01`	`Kirkburn`	`;)`
`00:55.12`	`Kirkburn`	`Some grey items, maybe?`
`00:55.19`	`Kirkburn`	`Thought they should have an item level`
`00:55.25`	`Kirkburn`	`of 1, I would guess`
`00:55.47`	`[Zeal]`	`and a value too i would think`
`00:55.51`	`[Zeal]`	`sell/vendor`
`00:56.06`	`[Zeal]`	`i won't worry then`
`00:56.06`	`Kirkburn`	`Off to pay TBC for a while, bbl`
`00:56.10`	`[Zeal]`	`ttyl`
`00:59.54`	`[Zeal]`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Hurricane_(bow) thats the sorta bonus damage type i meant :P`
`01:02.36`	`[Zeal]`	`h ffs, now it's doing it on all list items..`
`01:03.39`	`[Zeal]`	`it's ie7 being stupid : /`
`01:05.37`	`*** join/#wowwiki flegma (n=addict@catv-598488bc.catv.broadband.hu)`
`01:05.37`	`flegma`	`rere`
`01:05.37`	`flegma`	`help me pliz`
`01:05.57`	`[Zeal]`	`whats up?`
`01:07.04`	`flegma`	`i need one guest pass only [;`
`01:07.45`	`flegma`	`can u help me?`
`01:10.56`	`[Zeal]`	`er.. no idea what you're talking about`
`01:11.07`	`[Zeal]`	`quest pass?`
`01:11.18`	`[Zeal]`	`*guest, lol`
`01:15.11`	`[Zeal]`	`either way it's not something the wiki provides :P`
`01:15.13`	`flegma`	`hm`
`01:15.24`	`flegma`	`what can i do now?`
`01:15.28`	`[Zeal]`	`whats next, someone asking for wow hacks? :P`
`01:15.50`	`[Zeal]`	`already had people asking to play on the wiki's private server, lol.`
`01:16.27`	`[Zeal]`	`you can look for a wow website that is running a BC key competition and try to win one, or go to the wow site i guess.. heh.`
`01:16.37`	`flegma`	`i need only guest account, to play with my girlfriend`
`01:16.45`	`flegma`	`(=`
`01:16.55`	`*** join/#wowwiki Awong (n=Awong@c220-239-27-124.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au)`
`01:17.25`	`[Zeal]`	`then that would be on the official wow site.`
`01:17.40`	`[Zeal]`	`think there's also www.tryworldofwarcraft.com or soemthing :S`
`01:18.12`	`[Zeal]`	`bah, guess not`
`01:18.20`	`[Zeal]`	`forget what the latest tv ad says`
`01:19.33`	`[Zeal]`	`yay, fixed the list. stupid ie7`
`01:20.54`	`*** join/#wowwiki Kirkburn (n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net)`
`01:21.04`	`*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Kirkburn] by ChanServ`
`01:25.51`	`Teomyr`	`bah`
`01:26.02`	`Teomyr`	`i shouldn't be coding at 2:26 AM`
`01:26.14`	`*** join/#wowwiki uyasdfjhd (n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net)`
`01:26.30`	`uyasdfjhd`	`Neaaargh`
`01:26.31`	`[Zeal]`	`lol @ uyasdfjhd`
`01:26.39`	`[Zeal]`	`and lol @ Teomyr`
`01:26.44`	`Kirkburn`	`sigh`
`01:26.49`	`Teomyr`	`right now i start to hate my code while i'm writing it, that usually comes the day after`
`01:26.57`	`Kirkburn`	`My router went into a restart frenzy`
`01:27.03`	`[Zeal]`	`rofl @ both :P`
`01:27.12`	`Kirkburn`	`Now all my alt nicks (4! of them) are logged into freenode`
`01:27.31`	`Teomyr`	`lol`
`01:27.37`	`Teomyr`	`poor kirkburn`
`01:27.38`	`[Zeal]`	`i get into a mode where i forget what i'm doing and start to doubt my ability or the idea behind what i was doing :P`
`01:32.57`	`foxlit`	`kickburnbot!`
`01:35.33`	`flegma`	`hey`
`01:35.46`	`flegma`	`fileplanet.com u can register guest account`
`01:35.47`	`flegma`	`:p`
`01:35.52`	`flegma`	`thanks a lot`
`01:35.53`	`flegma`	`bye`
`01:36.25`	`bleetah`	`WAS EVEN MORE RANDOM THAN i ORIGINALLY THOUGHT`
`01:36.28`	`bleetah`	`caps, soz`
`01:44.24`	`[Zeal]`	`lol`
`01:47.28`	`Kirkburn`	`Sorry I have to put this here too:`
`01:47.29`	`Kirkburn`	`OMFG: http://www.wowinsider.com/2006/12/28/addon-spotlight-clearfont/`
`01:49.37`	`Teomyr`	`grats :D`
`01:51.12`	`Kirkburn`	`Thanks!`
`01:51.31`	`Kirkburn`	`I have a feeling I'm going to get a spike in site visits`
`01:51.35`	`[Zeal]`	`you made clearfont?`
`01:51.40`	`Kirkburn`	`Yep`
`01:52.58`	`[Zeal]`	`cool. i don't use it, don't have the need, but it's definitely an improvement, and i hope it forces blizz to sue a better default font. it's more of a issue with shit aa on their font than anything.`
`01:53.19`	`[Zeal]`	`*use`
`01:54.05`	`Teomyr`	`yay! WDB integration is working!`
`01:54.11`	`Teomyr`	`or, at least, partially :P`
`01:54.18`	`Teomyr`	`look! http://simonveith.de/wowwikitest/index.php/Item_Link_Test`
`01:54.32`	`Teomyr`	`and then look at the wiki markup`
`01:56.44`	`[Zeal]`	`hm.. how is the the tooltip being called? i'm hoping it's not on all links`
`01:57.39`	`Teomyr`	`called internally, on all links to items for now`
`01:57.45`	`Teomyr`	`but i just hacked it together`
`01:57.50`	`[Zeal]`	`so all links in the Item: namespace?`
`01:58.10`	`Teomyr`	`yes, but that'd change if i spent some more time with it`
`01:59.21`	`[Zeal]`	`well, the onyl thing, is i can't think it desriable for all links, needs to be opt-in or opt-out. plus the quality colours remove the ability to see if an article exists or not : /`
`02:01.01`	`Teomyr`	`should be opt-out imho, maybe i'll go for that`
`02:01.55`	`Teomyr`	`and yes, the quality colors overrides the indicator whether a site exists. that's already the case with the lrare, lepic ... templates in the "normal" wiki`
`02:03.09`	`[Zeal]`	`i've not seen those templates, and if they exist, i hope they die : /`
`02:03.31`	`Teomyr`	`they're used quite widely`
`02:04.24`	`[Zeal]`	`i really don't think the quality needs to be appended to the link, it's already in the tooltip, doesn't need to be repeated at the cost of usability.`
`02:05.12`	`Teomyr`	`hm`
`02:05.19`	`[Zeal]`	`i mean.. thats the point the the tooltip of mouse over, to show details of the item without having to go to the page itself.`
`02:05.24`	`[Zeal]`	`*on mouse`
`02:05.34`	`[Zeal]`	`*of the`
`02:07.02`	`Teomyr`	`i don't know... i'm sort of torn between the two solutions`
`02:07.18`	`Kirkburn`	`G'night all!`
`02:07.22`	`Teomyr`	`night!`
`02:07.55`	`[Zeal]`	`if its not on the item's page itself, don't apply quality to the link, but show a tooltip, if it's the item's page, then you're displaying the tooltip anyways.`
`02:08.18`	`[Zeal]`	`er.. thats came out wrong`
`02:08.20`	`[Zeal]`	`nn Kirkburn`
`02:08.35`	`[Zeal]`	`actually, no it came out right >_>;`
`02:08.40`	`*** join/#wowwiki Hobinheim (n=meatwad@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)`
`02:08.46`	`[Zeal]`	`wb Hobinheim`
`02:09.24`	`Hobinheim`	`hayo`
`02:10.01`	`[Zeal]`	`damn.. can anyone think of an item with multiple class restrictions on it?`
`02:10.17`	`Teomyr`	`yes`
`02:10.19`	`Hobinheim`	`frame of atiesh?`
`02:10.22`	`Hobinheim`	`thunderfury bindings?`
`02:10.23`	`Teomyr`	`the ironweave set`
`02:10.33`	`Teomyr`	`eye of the beast`
`02:10.35`	`[Zeal]`	`frame doesn't have it on thott :S`
`02:10.37`	`foxlit`	`caster ring from AV`
`02:10.47`	`foxlit`	`Don Rodrigo's Band?`
`02:10.48`	`Hobinheim`	`splinter of atiesh`
`02:10.55`	`Hobinheim`	`pvp gear`
`02:11.01`	`[Zeal]`	`cool, thats enough, ty :P`
`02:11.12`	`Hobinheim`	`rune of duty/perfection`
`02:11.22`	`Teomyr`	`:D`
`02:14.08`	`[Zeal]`	`how about profession? ;)`
`02:15.19`	`Hobinheim`	`no restrictions on items other than cascading the obvious`
`02:15.28`	`Hobinheim`	`profession quests and bind on pickups`
`02:15.33`	`Hobinheim`	`robe of the void, for example`
`02:15.41`	`Hobinheim`	`the item physically has no restrictions, i don't think`
`02:15.50`	`Hobinheim`	`but as a matter of logic and practice, only 300 tailors can wear it`
`02:16.03`	`Teomyr`	`hm`
`02:16.06`	`Teomyr`	`engineering stuff`
`02:16.24`	`Teomyr`	`they're like: Requires Engineering (300) - Requires Gnomish Engineering`
`02:16.33`	`Hobinheim`	`there you go`
`02:16.44`	`Hobinheim`	`and recipe items themselves have certain levels of profession to /use/ but not hold`
`02:17.57`	`[Zeal]`	`engineering, perfect`
`02:19.16`	`Teomyr`	`need sleep`
`02:19.19`	`Teomyr`	`good night`
`02:19.23`	`[Zeal]`	`nn Teomyr`
`02:19.39`	`[Zeal]`	`i should double check this works with recepie tooltips too next.`
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`02:27.05`	`[Zeal]`	`is there a point in Durability <total>/<total>? jsut leave it as Durability <total>`
`02:27.23`	`[Zeal]`	`will always be 100/100 or w/e outside the game.`
`02:51.28`	`[Zeal]`	`fuck.. forgot about = and \| in conditionals.. sigh`
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`02:54.39`	`[Zeal]`	`god damn useless wikicode..`
`03:22.55`	`[Zeal]`	`sigh.. why the hell are the qualities doing if exists.. they should never be used on item anyways..`
`03:23.06`	`[Zeal]`	`*links anyways`
`03:23.31`	`[Zeal]`	`means i have to do my own for the purpose of tooltips.. ffs..`
`03:25.50`	`[Zeal]`	`fuck that, i'm editing the existing ones.. sigh`
`03:26.50`	`[Zeal]`	`and now the wiki isn't loading.. sigh`
`03:32.17`	`[Zeal]`	`wiki db issues..`
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`03:35.09`	`Hobinheim`	`paging someone browsing wowwiki`
`03:35.12`	`Hobinheim`	`n/m`
`03:35.51`	`[Zeal]`	`?`
`03:35.59`	`Hobinheim`	`it wasn't loading for me`
`03:36.27`	`[Zeal]`	`same`
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`04:38.36`	`[Zeal]`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Templates/tooltip woot`
`04:42.52`	`[Zeal]`	`O_o`
`04:45.00`	`Cairenn`	`if you were watching the lounge, you'll know what prompted that`
`04:46.26`	`[Zeal]`	`i'm not, only in here`
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`08:27.13`	`Apollozeus`	`D:`
`08:27.18`	`Apollozeus`	`any admin here?`
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`11:17.10`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`gmorning, females`
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`11:31.36`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`gmorning kirk`
`11:31.44`	`Kirkburn`	`morning`
`11:56.46`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Apollozeus`
`11:56.54`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`thanks for doing the wiki linkage on those pages`
`11:57.00`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`was gettting around to do it soon :)`
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`13:03.11`	`Apollozeus`	`np Patrigan-Syldra`
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`13:30.26`	`Apollozeus`	`hobinheim :O`
`13:34.22`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`he left :(`
`13:40.29`	`Apollozeus`	`>:O`
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`13:42.58`	`Sanky`	`hi`
`13:43.03`	`Sanky`	`what does 'hat trick' mean?`
`13:51.15`	`Apollozeus`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hat-trick`
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`14:44.20`	`b1f30_w0rk`	`http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2006/12/27/tech-videogamesaddictive-061227.html`
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`15:24.24`	`Teomyr`	`anyone know how i can put in linebreaks in the wiki markup as a visual aid without f***ing mediawiki hammering <br /> in everywhere?`
`15:24.48`	`Adys`	`<!-- -->?`
`15:24.55`	`Apollozeus`	`that does nothing`
`15:25.04`	`Adys`	`visual aid he said`
`15:25.06`	`Adys`	`comments`
`15:25.25`	`Teomyr`	`<nowiki> works, but that's not very aesthetic`
`15:25.33`	`Teomyr`	`thanks, gonna try that`
`15:25.57`	`Apollozeus`	`hmm`
`15:26.03`	`Teomyr`	`but, wait... then these comments will be visible in the actual rendered output :/`
`15:26.07`	`Apollozeus`	`those draenei in forest constructing something..`
`15:26.08`	`Teomyr`	`in the source code, that is`
`15:26.14`	`Apollozeus`	`forest song*`
`15:26.27`	`Apollozeus`	`will blizzard put in a building there sometime after TBC's launch?`
`15:26.36`	`Adys`	`I dont think so teomyr`
`15:26.38`	`Adys`	`but im not sure`
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`15:38.34`	`Teomyr`	`mediawiki claims to output XHTML 1.0, yet it forces me to write not well-formed code`
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`15:55.20`	`foxlit`	`What's the story with Events (API) now?`
`15:56.24`	`foxlit`	`I haven't pocked it at all recently, but I'm having difficulty determining where the actual content is`
`15:56.36`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`beyond the fact a lot of the UI stuff all needs to be rewritten at this point?`
`15:57.14`	`foxlit`	`Yes.`
`15:57.30`	`foxlit`	`I'm actually thinking of adding docs, but the structure is frustrating`
`15:57.40`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`nod`
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`15:58.15`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`foxlit: http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:UI_FAQ`
`15:58.19`	`foxlit`	`Seems you need to edit alphabetically sorted pages`
`15:58.54`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`there's a nice little script there by Mikk to convert wiki text to blizz ui forum and (I think) vice versa`
`16:00.10`	`foxlit`	`I don't quite follow; why?`
`16:00.49`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`to help deal with the structure ... nm, I probably was misunderstanding`
`16:01.37`	`foxlit`	`It's more that we have a myriad of pages listing events at the moment;`
`16:01.43`	`foxlit`	`It seems like you only need to edit http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/U`
`16:03.08`	`foxlit`	`Though I don't get why there's ===== ===== all over that page`
`16:04.13`	`Adys`	`for edit boxes`
`16:04.15`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`isn't there a wowtcg channel or something?`
`16:04.33`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`tcg?`
`16:04.39`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`sry wrong channel :p`
`16:04.43`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`trading Card game ^^`
`16:04.49`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`right, duh`
`16:04.51`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but was meant to be asked in my realm channel :p`
`16:04.57`	`foxlit`	`Why do you want edit boxes?`
`16:05.03`	`Adys`	`www.miranda-im.com`
`16:05.13`	`Adys`	`fox: to make it easier to edit the page i guess`
`16:05.32`	`foxlit`	`:/`
`16:06.47`	`foxlit`	`Seeminly-random 5'th level headers look odd.`
`16:10.23`	`foxlit`	`In my opinion, Events_(API) should look more like Widget_API or World_of_Warcraft_API then the current categorized system.`
`16:11.01`	`foxlit`	`s/hen/han/`
`16:20.01`	`Apollozeus`	`bah`
`16:20.15`	`Apollozeus`	`horde guys can be even more immature than alliance sometimes`
`16:20.46`	`Apollozeus`	`LAWLZ IN TBC I NOT GRUP WIT PALLY TEY SUK`
`16:21.50`	`Apollozeus`	`http://www.wowinsider.com/2006/12/29/breakfast-topic-when-discrimination-rears-its-ugly-head/`
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`16:29.48`	`Apollozeus`	`wtf is up with google`
`16:29.49`	`Apollozeus`	`D:`
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`16:50.39`	`*** topic/#wowwiki by Kirkburn -> Welcome to the WoWWiki IRC channel! \| http://www.wowwiki.com \| Discuss general wiki issues, admin issues and report vandalism here! \| WATCH ME: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:RC`
`16:53.11`	`Teomyr`	`yay, finally!`
`16:53.21`	`Teomyr`	`wdb integration is working even better :)`
`16:54.06`	`Teomyr`	`i implemented a {{item:...}} command on my test wiki to pull data directly from wdb/database`
`16:59.48`	`Apollozeus`	`:s`
`16:59.54`	`Apollozeus`	`wowwiki doesn't work for me at all`
`17:04.06`	`Teomyr`	`works for me`
`17:04.19`	`Apollozeus`	`fucking weird then`
`17:04.29`	`Kirkburn`	`Apollozeus, it's very random`
`17:04.29`	`Apollozeus`	`reboot, maybe that will fix it`
`17:04.31`	`Apollozeus`	`-_-`
`17:04.34`	`Kirkburn`	`Wait up`
`17:04.39`	`Kirkburn`	`Try restarting your router`
`17:04.45`	`Teomyr`	`hehe`
`17:04.47`	`Kirkburn`	`Basically, you probably just need a new IP`
`17:04.57`	`Kirkburn`	`That always works for me`
`17:05.05`	`Teomyr`	`kirkburn has become a router expert :D`
`17:05.12`	`Kirkburn`	`heh`
`17:05.12`	`Apollozeus`	`let's try rebooting first`
`17:05.18`	`Apollozeus`	`before I have to piss off my brothers`
`17:05.18`	`Apollozeus`	`:p`
`17:05.22`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm an expert of everything, dontchaknow`
`17:05.25`	`Kirkburn`	`lol`
`17:05.28`	`Kirkburn`	`Gl`
`17:05.32`	`Apollozeus`	`hmm, time for dinner`
`17:05.34`	`Apollozeus`	`<_<`
`17:05.37`	`Apollozeus`	`gotta go anyway`
`17:05.40`	`Apollozeus`	`thanks for the help though`
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`17:08.09`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Teomyr`
`17:08.14`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`did you say it worked? oO`
`17:28.45`	`Teomyr`	`Patrigan-Syldra: sorry, i was afk. what are you referring to?`
`17:33.01`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`the WDB ninjaing`
`17:33.09`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`did it work?`
`17:33.26`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Teomyr`
`17:34.08`	`Teomyr`	`the {{item:...}} command works`
`17:34.15`	`Teomyr`	`and i can even build some tooltips with it`
`17:34.22`	`Teomyr`	`http://simonveith.de/wowwikitest/index.php/Main_Page`
`17:38.59`	`Teomyr`	`Template:Item_Tooltip generates a tooltip for an item using the data from the WDB`
`17:39.11`	`Teomyr`	`you only have to pass it an item name or id`
`17:57.31`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`that's interesting`
`17:57.55`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`because then I can actually use item IDs from my WDB that I mine to see their stats (without adding to the wiki ofc >.>)`
`18:03.34`	`Teomyr`	`hehe`
`18:03.58`	`Teomyr`	`i have to think up something else about the data storage, though`
`18:04.19`	`Teomyr`	`currently, i convert the wdb to csv and then to xml, which kinda bloats it`
`18:04.52`	`Teomyr`	`i think in the future i'll go for storing them in a mysql table, that will be faster`
`18:23.31`	`foxlit`	`Question: is scanning WDB not agains ToU?`
`18:23.37`	`foxlit`	`*against`
`18:23.53`	`Teomyr`	`uh`
`18:23.57`	`Teomyr`	`i hope not`
`18:24.03`	`Adys`	`No its not`
`18:24.03`	`MentalPower\|PC`	`it certantly could be considered as such`
`18:24.10`	`Teomyr`	`i mean, thottbot, allakhazam, wowhead and such do it`
`18:24.38`	`MentalPower\|PC`	`http://wowwatcher.com/violate`
`18:24.42`	`MentalPower\|PC`	`thats no excuse`
`18:28.30`	`Kirkburn`	`I can't see that any action could be brought against the wiki for it, the wiki is not performing the mining`
`18:29.24`	`Kirkburn`	`Anyways, the info already exists on Thottbot etc, so one can just say we're copying the info from them :P`
`18:29.31`	`foxlit`	`By that logic, why are we not allowing datamined screenshots?`
`18:29.33`	`MentalPower\|PC`	`but you are willingly using the mined data`
`18:30.01`	`MentalPower\|PC`	`s/willingly/willingly and concienciously/`
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`18:30.46`	`Apollozeus`	`thanks kirkburn`
`18:30.49`	`Apollozeus`	`restarting my router worked`
`18:31.26`	`Kirkburn`	`Apollozeus, cool`
`18:31.38`	`Kirkburn`	`MentalPower\|PC, damn your conscience!`
`18:31.42`	`Apollozeus`	`though my brother wasn't too pleased ;p`
`18:31.50`	`Apollozeus`	`he had just arrived in Westfall with a PUG`
`18:32.29`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm saying that, Blizz have taken no action against Thott or the others for the item stuff, but they have for the pics`
`18:32.51`	`Apollozeus`	`the pics?`
`18:33.18`	`foxlit`	`<foxlit> By that logic, why are we not allowing datamined screenshots?`
`18:33.20`	`foxlit`	`the pics.`
`18:36.12`	`Apollozeus`	`ah`
`18:36.14`	`Apollozeus`	`:p`
`18:49.44`	`[Zeal]`	`lo all`
`18:51.42`	`[Zeal]`	`i'm against a article names using itemid's ftr, aslong as the db lookup excepts both item names (so that we can just do {{PAGENAME}} in most cases) and alternatively id's, i'm happy.`
`18:51.48`	`[Zeal]`	`*-a`
`19:07.50`	`Teomyr`	`yes, using {{PAGENAME}} should theoretically work with my approach, i'll test it ;)`
`19:07.57`	`[Zeal]`	`Teomyr, several issues.`
`19:08.24`	`[Zeal]`	`are the expressions you're using on the existing wiki? i didn't think ther were. hence why we have {{if}} anf {{qif}} etc`
`19:08.51`	`Teomyr`	`i think there are different versions of them`
`19:09.03`	`Teomyr`	`that is, two extensions whose syntaxes differ`
`19:09.29`	`Teomyr`	`on my wiki i have ParserFunctions installed, which is also installed on wikipedia`
`19:09.34`	`[Zeal]`	`relatively abolsute positioning is unreliable cross browser. i would sugggest merely floating as i've done in http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Templates/tooltip`
`19:09.53`	`[Zeal]`	`yeah, don't beleive parser functions are installed on wowwiki : ?`
`19:09.55`	`[Zeal]`	`(Adys): /`
`19:09.58`	`[Zeal]`	`wtf..`
`19:10.00`	`[Zeal]`	`: /`
`19:10.19`	`Teomyr`	`well`
`19:10.51`	`Teomyr`	`all the things i'm doing on my wiki are extensions, basically. i do it for fun, maybe we'll one day be able to install extensions on wowwiki, once rustak comes back ;)`
`19:11.31`	`[Zeal]`	`and i'm relaly not sure display:none is a good way to do it (all going to still disaply in source code) and running so many checks, on ever possibly value for the attributes and effects is a waste of time : /`
`19:11.40`	`[Zeal]`	`i see`
`19:12.12`	`Teomyr`	`there was an issue with the wiki, i'm not sure why, but`
`19:12.25`	`Teomyr`	`if i use html tags in conditionals, i can't close them`
`19:12.39`	`[Zeal]`	`if you just bunch all the attributes together, simple enough really.`
`19:12.47`	`[Zeal]`	`oh? that's weird :s`
`19:12.59`	`Teomyr`	`i can use <li> just fine, but </li> becomes </li>`
`19:13.07`	`Teomyr`	`i have no idea why :<`
`19:13.15`	`[Zeal]`	`parser functions have issues it sounds like..`
`19:13.30`	`[Zeal]`	`works fine on the wiki atm using {{if}} and {{qif}}`
`19:13.41`	`Teomyr`	`nice`
`19:13.50`	`Teomyr`	`but that isn't part of the default mediawiki, is it?`
`19:13.54`	`Teomyr`	`either`
`19:14.15`	`[Zeal]`	`no, but they are user created, no admin or scripting required.`
`19:14.21`	`Teomyr`	`oO`
`19:15.08`	`Teomyr`	`wow`
`19:15.11`	`Teomyr`	`what a dirty hack :D`
`19:15.15`	`[Zeal]`	`indeed, lol`
`19:16.02`	`Teomyr`	`well, but you can't do things like {{{1}}} > 0, can you?`
`19:17.39`	`[Zeal]`	`nah but you can do {{qif\|test={{{1}}}\|test0=no\|then=yes\|else=no}} ;)`
`19:18.11`	`Teomyr`	`hm`
`19:18.48`	`[Zeal]`	`though granted that wont work for negative numbers`
`19:20.05`	`[Zeal]`	`qif is basically a php switch with an "if not specified" and "if specified but no match" clause.`
`19:24.44`	`[Zeal]`	`but yeah, i suggest bunching attributes into one column the database. if you really think people will want to lookup a certain value of an attribute, create a new table for attributes with the itemid linked and each attribute possible listed as a column. i'm not sure it will ever be needed on the wiki though.`
`19:24.53`	`[Zeal]`	`*in the`
`19:29.48`	`Teomyr`	`:D`
`19:32.05`	`[Zeal]`	`and the other one, which i decided to take a different approach on, was for plans etc. they contain the infor for the item they make.`
`19:32.29`	`[Zeal]`	`i though it made mroe sense to just link to the item page for that item, rather than imbed another tooltip.`
`19:32.52`	`[Zeal]`	`*embed`
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`19:35.23`	`[Zeal]`	`only one of you today? lol`
`19:36.31`	`Teomyr`	`xD`
`19:36.48`	`[Zeal]`	`lol`
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`19:38.04`	`TranceEmotion`	`there we go`
`19:38.13`	`TranceEmotion`	`no more iceguest 7 lol`
`19:38.18`	`Teomyr`	`^^`
`19:39.53`	`[Zeal]`	`lol`
`19:40.24`	`TranceEmotion`	`i havent used irc in at least a year`
`19:40.42`	`[Zeal]`	`all i usually see is IceGuest_7, join, join, join, part, quit, timeout etc :P`
`19:41.01`	`TranceEmotion`	`hehe`
`19:41.23`	`TranceEmotion`	`well i usually use mIRC but i saw this one and i was like thats soo much nicer lookin so i got it`
`19:41.34`	`[Zeal]`	`why do different sites use different item id? : S`
`19:41.41`	`[Zeal]`	`*ids`
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`19:41.48`	`Teomyr`	`thottbot has their own`
`19:41.58`	`[Zeal]`	`they would..`
`19:41.59`	`Teomyr`	`allakhazam, wowhead etc use the blizzard ids`
`19:42.05`	`[Zeal]`	`probably chinese based, lol.`
`19:42.08`	`Teomyr`	`:D`
`19:42.10`	`TranceEmotion`	`lol`
`19:43.22`	`[Zeal]`	`whats the policy on replacing well established and used templates? ;) pelase tell me it's not on me to go thorugh every page and fix them to use the new tooltip? :P`
`19:44.41`	`Teomyr`	`it's up to you then`
`19:45.00`	`Teomyr`	`if you're not eager enough to fix every single page, you're out of luck :P`
`19:45.39`	`[Zeal]`	`think i'll just call mine tooltip2, then go through and start chaning all items. then when that's done, i'll move mine over and go back and remove the "2"s that way they will not f'up in the process of chaning over.`
`19:45.48`	`[Zeal]`	`*changing`
`19:45.56`	`[Zeal]`	`that way i can do it in short bursts too.`
`19:46.09`	`Teomyr`	`yeah`
`19:46.34`	`Kirkburn`	`Poke! http://www.wowwiki.com/Category_talk:News#Old_news_cleaning.21`
`19:47.32`	`[Zeal]`	`i wonder why we have any news irrelevant to the wiki itself at all..`
`19:47.45`	`Kirkburn`	`I can also suggest asking Fandy :P`
`19:47.52`	`Kirkburn`	`*only`
`19:48.12`	`Kirkburn`	`I never saw the point myself`
`19:48.28`	`Kirkburn`	`I really want to get rid of the confusing articles`
`19:49.27`	`[Zeal]`	`hm.. i can see Events: is probably needed as a namespace. for API stuff.`
`19:51.20`	`[Zeal]`	`*possibly`
`19:57.05`	`Teomyr`	`very strange`
`19:57.09`	`Teomyr`	`{{#if:blah\|<li></li>}} becomes <li></li>`
`19:58.40`	`Teomyr`	`but {{#if:blah\|<p></p>}} becomes <p></p>`
`20:00.20`	`[Zeal]`	`O_o`
`20:00.23`	`[Zeal]`	`very indeed`
`20:01.26`	`Teomyr`	`ewww`
`20:01.27`	`Teomyr`	`http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5497`
`20:01.30`	`Teomyr`	`that's it`
`20:01.37`	`Teomyr`	`probably`
`20:03.32`	`Teomyr`	`the parser has a bogus definition of <li>`
`20:03.42`	`Teomyr`	`that's not xhtml compatible`
`20:04.59`	`Teomyr`	`fixed`
`20:05.44`	`[Zeal]`	`i see : /`
`20:08.00`	`Teomyr`	`according to Sanitizer.php, "<li>" must not have a close tag`
`20:08.04`	`Teomyr`	`so it is escaped`
`20:08.22`	`Teomyr`	`i wonder why it works on the rest of the site, though`
`20:09.05`	`Teomyr`	`eww`
`20:09.17`	`Teomyr`	`it's putting <p><br /></p> in between my list items`
`20:09.34`	`[Zeal]`	`eww indeed`
`20:09.51`	`[Zeal]`	`cos it's not seeing them as new list items : /`
`20:10.10`	`[Zeal]`	`the sanitizer is clearly html 4.0, not xhtml`
`20:10.12`	`Teomyr`	`yes`
`20:11.00`	`Teomyr`	`well, the problem is, i have 5 different #if statements, one for each attribute`
`20:11.09`	`[Zeal]`	`wonders if, in the process of doing these tooltips, he should change them all to Item:<name> or change his template to not use Item: : /`
`20:11.53`	`TranceEmotion`	`now i read the above 20 or so posts i go go "WTF Mate?" and im comp savy lol`
`20:12.03`	`[Zeal]`	`probably end up creating 1000's of double redirects, and as no one has even commented on my proposal i can't really go making such broad changes : /`
`20:12.10`	`Teomyr`	`hmm`
`20:12.21`	`[Zeal]`	`lol TranceEmotion`
`20:12.58`	`TranceEmotion`	`:-S`
`20:13.17`	`Kirkburn`	`hmm?`
`20:13.43`	`[Zeal]`	`only person to say anything about my proposal so far. what do you think i should do?`
`20:13.48`	`Kirkburn`	`[Zeal], the problem is, there's too much else to do atm, I guess`
`20:13.59`	`Kirkburn`	`Plus, it's the holiday period`
`20:14.17`	`Kirkburn`	`(so people are away)`
`20:14.24`	`[Zeal]`	`it's a wiki, there is always too much to do.`
`20:14.32`	`TranceEmotion`	`lol`
`20:14.36`	`Teomyr`	`aah, i found the problem... each attribute is on its own line, and if it evaluates to false, that line is empty. if two lines are empty, the wiki sees that as the beginning of a new paragraph`
`20:14.56`	`[Zeal]`	`indeed. that's why my template is all one line :P`
`20:15.01`	`Teomyr`	`eww`
`20:15.09`	`TranceEmotion`	`well wowwiki > thottbot so your doing a good job lol`
`20:15.13`	`[Zeal]`	`i coded it in multiples, and then remove all the returns.`
`20:15.17`	`Teomyr`	`now i let the expression evaluate to <nowiki></nowiki>... the line is not empty then, but doesn't contain anything :D`
`20:15.31`	`[Zeal]`	`ah, nice trick`
`20:16.10`	`[Zeal]`	`well it does say "we encourage you to be bold with editing" ;)`
`20:16.42`	`[Zeal]`	`not much bolder than completely moving every single item page.`
`20:19.23`	`TranceEmotion`	`i hate having my allaince chars on a diff server than my horde ones usually one of the 2 servers`
`20:19.36`	`TranceEmotion`	`is down and those happen to be the ones i want to play`
`20:20.24`	`[Zeal]`	`: /`
`20:20.38`	`[Zeal]`	`better than having thme on both and not being able to play when its down, lol.`
`20:21.05`	`[Zeal]`	`*having both of them on one`
`20:21.27`	`TranceEmotion`	`meh, i guess im really waiting for the xp, im starting to get really bored farming stuff....`
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`20:34.21`	`[Zeal]`	`whats the spell name for creating conjured bread? :S`
`20:35.07`	`Teomyr`	`Conjure Food?`
`20:35.14`	`[Zeal]`	`got a rank?`
`20:35.21`	`Teomyr`	`uh`
`20:35.26`	`Teomyr`	`yes, but i have no clue`
`20:35.34`	`[Zeal]`	`kk :p`
`20:35.59`	`[Zeal]`	`rank 2`
`20:36.51`	`Teomyr`	`new tooltip template is in effect: http://simonveith.de/wowwikitest/index.php/Item_Tooltip_Test`
`20:37.09`	`Teomyr`	`had to remove the comments from the template, though, and it's cluttered with <nowiki>s`
`20:37.45`	`[Zeal]`	`i see`
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`21:25.48`	`[Zeal]`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Item:Conjured_Bread or http://www.wowwiki.com/Conjured_Bread ?`
`21:27.19`	`Teomyr`	`personally, i find the first one too messy when compared to the second one :/`
`21:27.31`	`[Zeal]`	`messy? wtf :s`
`21:27.45`	`Teomyr`	`a bit difficult to explain...`
`21:28.33`	`Teomyr`	`imho, it looks too much like all the other wow item databases... we're a wiki!`
`21:29.36`	`[Zeal]`	`looks nothing like any other item db in existance :S`
`21:29.41`	`[Zeal]`	`anyways, check it now`
`21:30.27`	`[Zeal]`	`nice thing about my template is i can easily drop the styling, heh.`
`21:30.36`	`Teomyr`	`better ^^`
`21:31.38`	`Teomyr`	`btw, it's Wowhead, not WoWHead`
`21:32.17`	`[Zeal]`	`they really use it lower case?`
`21:32.19`	`[Zeal]`	`bah, kk`
`21:32.34`	`Teomyr`	`it's even in their faq :P`
`21:32.43`	`[Zeal]`	`rofl`
`21:32.44`	`[Zeal]`	`kk`
`21:32.49`	`[Zeal]`	`fixed`
`21:32.57`	`Teomyr`	`i really like wowhead`
`21:33.25`	`[Zeal]`	`world owhead essentially :P`
`21:33.37`	`Teomyr`	`compared to allakhazam and thottbot, their navigation and filtering options are just amazing`
`21:34.01`	`[Zeal]`	`well allakhazam i used because i'm against thott`
`21:34.31`	`[Zeal]`	`wowhead, i've hardly used. it's nice that it's using ajax, but it's still go soem ways to go to replace the others imo. it is very streamlined though.`
`21:38.57`	`[Zeal]`	`think the headers might be a bit too big perhaps? :S`
`21:39.20`	`[Zeal]`	`actually, screw it, they are.`
`21:41.20`	`Teomyr`	`:D`
`21:42.06`	`[Zeal]`	`jsut realized their h1 size`
`21:42.11`	`[Zeal]`	`*they're`
`21:45.22`	`[Zeal]`	`btw, solution to that linking idea. used loot linking (eg. {{lrare}}) to call a mouse over tooltip only, and have it only color if the page exists ({{exist}}), otherwise leave it to turn red. cos you're only ever going to want to want the tooltip when you are linking to the article in the context of what the item is (eg loot drops, creation etc), while it leaves normal article links to the item alone.`
`21:45.27`	`[Zeal]`	`*use`
`21:45.45`	`[Zeal]`	`*to want the`
`21:48.05`	`[Zeal]`	`stupidly, on the wiki atm, we have non-loot styled quality links doing exist checks when they shouldn't (these would onyl ever be used in tooltips anyways), and loot styled links not doing exist checks when they are the ones the ones that should be.`
`21:48.30`	`Teomyr`	`okay`
`21:49.01`	`[Zeal]`	`i've name {{Item (quality)}} templates atm, for use inside tooltips, as the item's name.`
`21:49.06`	`[Zeal]`	`*made`
`21:49.42`	`[Zeal]`	`dunno why i bothered with make one of each.. should be in one template, but i was tired >_o`
`21:49.53`	`Teomyr`	`^^`
`21:49.55`	`[Zeal]`	`*making one for`
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`22:21.25`	`Kirkburn`	`Anyone feel like giving me money? =)`
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`22:25.14`	`Kirkburn`	`No, really, I'm lumbered with a bandwidth bill this month :/`
`22:26.16`	`Teomyr`	`how so?`
`22:35.00`	`Kirkburn`	`For ClearFont.co.uk`
`22:35.19`	`Kirkburn`	`I had a huge number of hits this month, more than I've ever had before`
`22:35.29`	`Kirkburn`	`Plus I had files up to download from my webspace`
`22:35.42`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm already 20gig over the limit`
`22:35.56`	`TranceEmotion`	`ouch`
`22:36.02`	`Teomyr`	`uh :/`
`22:36.13`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah, ouch! :P`
`22:36.15`	`Teomyr`	`that is what (in money)?`
`22:36.44`	`Kirkburn`	`Fortunately the overrun rate is reasonable-ish, but that's over £20 so far`
`22:36.51`	`[Zeal]`	`: /`
`22:37.21`	`Kirkburn`	`=)`
`22:37.37`	`Kirkburn`	`The number of hits I got came completely out of the blue`
`22:37.56`	`[Zeal]`	`darn it.. forgot about = in vars, can't have a header first..`
`22:37.57`	`Kirkburn`	`I've had more than twice the hits of any previous month in December (and it's not over yet!)`
`22:38.07`	`TranceEmotion`	`meh i walys find hosting with Unlimited bandwith lol i have 500mb of webspace with unlimted bandwith just sitting there not being used lol`
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`22:40.28`	`Teomyr`	`that's a pity... many hosters provide something like an "emergency cutoff" that reduces bandwith as you're getting near the traffic limit`
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`23:00.20`	`Kirkburn`	`Teomyr, yeah, err ... I hadn't set that up`
`23:01.06`	`Kirkburn`	`Whee, new logo :) http://www.clearfont.co.uk/`
`23:02.04`	`TranceEmotion`	`my new bear pet is making me mad`
`23:02.22`	`TranceEmotion`	`his loyalty lvl just will not go up`
`23:02.23`	`Kirkburn`	`aww, why?`
`23:05.29`	`Teomyr`	`lol "Thanks for the pleasant surprise :)"`
`23:05.40`	`TranceEmotion`	`ive had it for over an hour now contatly using it and it hasnt moved from rebellious`
`23:05.43`	`Teomyr`	`not such a pleasant surprise when you looked at the traffic report ;)`
`23:11.19`	`Kirkburn`	`Teomyr, I haven't got today's report yet, can check in about 1 hour :P`
`23:11.54`	`Teomyr`	`^^`
`23:20.51`	`[Zeal]`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Item:Conjured_Bread how that?`
`23:20.55`	`[Zeal]`	`*how's`
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`23:21.44`	`Hobinheim`	`my computer's being retarded, i wanted to apologize earlier for any slowdown, i was editing a popular template`
`23:21.44`	`TranceEmotion`	`i liked http://www.wowwiki.com/Conjured_Bread`
`23:21.46`	`TranceEmotion`	`the best`
`23:21.48`	`Hobinheim`	`and i had to break out the banhammer`
`23:22.10`	`[Zeal]`	`lies, ugly as hell : /`
`23:22.43`	`TranceEmotion`	`its simple clear, concise, and to the point`
`23:22.51`	`[Zeal]`	`and mine isn't?`
`23:23.21`	`TranceEmotion`	`so it is easily carried around, but will disapear as with all conjured items when logged out for 15 minutes or longer.`
`23:23.21`	`TranceEmotion`	`Becase it is free to create, it is often transferred to other players through trade when grouped.`
`23:23.21`	`TranceEmotion`	`History`
`23:23.21`	`TranceEmotion`	`This item has been in the game since release, never having received any changes.`
`23:23.21`	`TranceEmotion`	`Lore`
`23:23.23`	`TranceEmotion`	`Bread is a typical form of food eaten throughout Azeroth, the only difference with this bread is that it was created through spellwork, most likely that of a mage.`
`23:23.47`	`TranceEmotion`	`oh wow i just wanted to pate that into my chat, but oh well`
`23:24.14`	`[Zeal]`	`erm? O_o`
`23:24.15`	`TranceEmotion`	`for bread the other one i like pehaps if this was lets say the corrupted ahsbringer`
`23:24.29`	`TranceEmotion`	`then Lore/History may be good`
`23:24.38`	`TranceEmotion`	`but its conjured bread...`
`23:25.00`	`[Zeal]`	`which has lore an history about it..`
`23:25.16`	`[Zeal]`	`just because you don't care doesn't mean it doesn't exist.`
`23:26.12`	`Kirkburn`	`Hobinheim, banhammer? Who?`
`23:26.15`	`[Zeal]`	`it's there as a template for use on all item pages. the layout is there for people to familiarize themselves with, so they know where to look for what they want on each item page. if each item page has a different layout based on how much content that item article has, it throws people off.`
`23:26.31`	`Kirkburn`	`Ooh, I see`
`23:26.35`	`TranceEmotion`	`its conjured bread, dont take this the wrong way but, its bread...... and the orginal one is quite fine for it in my opinon, which is what u are asking for`
`23:27.48`	`Kirkburn`	`Um, Hobinheim, you didn't delete the fan fic?`
`23:28.03`	`Kirkburn`	`ah nvm :P`
`23:28.14`	`[Zeal]`	`if a template isn't gunna be used on every page, i don't see the point in making a wiki presentable period..`
`23:28.16`	`Kirkburn`	`Weird, it didn't show me the final version`
`23:29.12`	`Kirkburn`	`Bloody hell, what is this, fan fiction night?`
`23:29.31`	`[Zeal]`	`if people just want a jumbled mess of text that isn't easily recognizable, understandable, and readable, and covered in useless images then i give up..`
`23:31.06`	`Hobinheim`	`i wanted to go nuts and delete it all, haha`
`23:31.15`	`Hobinheim`	`hate baby sitting people's edits... =(`
`23:31.26`	`Hobinheim`	`and it' sfriday night and i still haven't gotten any work from my job done`
`23:31.30`	`Hobinheim`	`i'm just reading forums`
`23:31.44`	`Kirkburn`	`Hobinheim, I think it should probably go in their their User: area`
`23:31.54`	`Kirkburn`	`But probably best to ask first, I suppose`
`23:32.38`	`Kirkburn`	`[Zeal], the problem I see is that your new style is complicated`
`23:33.06`	`Kirkburn`	`The outer box just isn't needed`
`23:33.40`	`Hobinheim`	`is that where all fan fiction goes?`
`23:33.42`	`Hobinheim`	`i dunno, i'm tired`
`23:33.47`	`[Zeal]`	`the outer box is needed until rustak coems back and fixes the css`
`23:33.48`	`Hobinheim`	`and the names havne't collided with anything`
`23:34.02`	`Hobinheim`	`my primary concern is that we look nice. haha`
`23:34.15`	`[Zeal]`	`it lacks a min-width, ruining content of pages beyond redability at lower resolutions`
`23:34.17`	`Hobinheim`	`oh and that game-data be automated`
`23:34.21`	`Hobinheim`	`w/e`
`23:34.53`	`Kirkburn`	`Hobinheim, yeah generally the fan fic goes under user spaces unless they really want others to edit it`
`23:35.20`	`Kirkburn`	`[Zeal], that is true, the minwidth thing`
`23:35.32`	`[Zeal]`	`plus it looks nice in terms of seperating generated content and user content (title, breadcrumbs, categories)`
`23:35.41`	`Hobinheim`	`forums topic, what is your opinion on spitting`
`23:35.47`	`Hobinheim`	`i don 'tusuually do it, but i did it a lot when i was sick`
`23:36.09`	`Hobinheim`	`do people spit in europe`
`23:36.17`	`Kirkburn`	`In real life?!`
`23:36.38`	`[Zeal]`	`atm, i've got the min width set to 60em, which seems perfectly resonable. something like 720px at the default font-size.`
`23:36.43`	`Kirkburn`	`No, I don't like people who spit in WoW :`
`23:37.00`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah, anyone know what 'em' actually means?`
`23:37.30`	`Hobinheim`	`em is the size of the letter M as defined by a font`
`23:37.33`	`Hobinheim`	`as opposed to an en`
`23:37.38`	`Hobinheim`	`like an em dash or an en dash`
`23:37.42`	`Hobinheim`	`or an ex unit or an ex dash`
`23:37.48`	`Hobinheim`	`err maybe not ex dash`
`23:37.51`	`[Zeal]`	`lol, not quite, but roughly, yes.`
`23:38.12`	`[Zeal]`	`in css though, em merely means font size`
`23:38.24`	`Hobinheim`	`uhh... yeah`
`23:38.31`	`Hobinheim`	`we're talking about the same thing`
`23:38.40`	`Hobinheim`	`em is a unit of measurement that scales with the font size`
`23:38.44`	`[Zeal]`	`well your's was mroe of the history of the em :P`
`23:38.49`	`Hobinheim`	`as opposed to px which does not scale`
`23:38.49`	`[Zeal]`	`which is a printing term`
`23:39.06`	`[Zeal]`	`indeed`
`23:39.33`	`[Zeal]`	`% = scale with screen size, em = scale with font size, px = no scaling.`
`23:40.16`	`[Zeal]`	`gernally width: % and min-width: em is best practice.`
`23:40.23`	`[Zeal]`	`*generally`
`23:42.08`	`Kirkburn`	`Interesting`
`23:42.17`	`Kirkburn`	`Now why is it that the WC3 website is so shite?`
`23:43.07`	`[Zeal]`	`which? game or strat guide thingy?`
`23:44.03`	`Hobinheim`	`because it's old`
`23:44.22`	`Kirkburn`	`oops`
`23:44.26`	`Kirkburn`	`I meant W3C`
`23:44.39`	`Kirkburn`	`That was a baad channel to make that mistake on`
`23:44.40`	`Kirkburn`	`http://www.w3.org/`
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`23:44.44`	`[Zeal]`	`lol, because it's simple`
`23:45.17`	`[Zeal]`	`just liek the minds of the people in it.`
`23:45.19`	`Kirkburn`	`Also, why can't PayPal generate correct HTML :/ I mean, for god's sake`
`23:45.25`	`[Zeal]`	`rofl`
`23:45.47`	`Kirkburn`	`The donate form it generates is invalid html`
`23:46.08`	`Kirkburn`	`Millions of people use that script, and it makes the websites fail the XHTML 1.0 check`
`23:46.18`	`[Zeal]`	`:(`
`23:48.15`	`[Zeal]`	`they're all about the money, don't care about web standards :P`
`23:49.56`	`[Zeal]`	`lol`
`23:50.03`	`[Zeal]`	`i have many kegs of that ;)`
`23:50.49`	`[Zeal]`	`lol`
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