irclog2html for #wowwiki on 20061227

`00:02.53`	`*** join/#wowwiki TMK (i=TMK@ip64.cab4.lsn.starman.ee)`
`00:05.36`	`Kirkburn`	`That was random`
`00:12.06`	`*** join/#wowwiki Patrigan-Syldra (n=iron_pla@167.48-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be)`
`00:12.43`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Small_note_concerning_the_Guild_article_page`
`00:12.58`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`As Dives would say: "Now! Handle it!"`
`00:13.54`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Guys?`
`00:14.15`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`lol ^^`
`00:14.23`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`don't growl at me DOG!`
`00:14.26`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Work a bit!`
`00:14.41`	`Adys`	`Farming trolls..`
`00:14.44`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`XD`
`00:14.51`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`It's late at night, want to go to my bed`
`00:14.58`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but if I don't pressure it a bit...`
`00:15.04`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`things will never get fixing!`
`00:15.05`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`^^`
`00:15.09`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and late at night`
`00:15.14`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I get really touchy`
`00:15.20`	`Adys`	`oO`
`00:15.20`	`Kirkburn`	`Hullo`
`00:15.48`	`Kirkburn`	`Patrigan-Syldra, you make good points`
`00:16.14`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I always do when it's late, my brain stops working decently then`
`00:16.46`	`Kirkburn`	`Guild articles do need sorting out`
`00:17.12`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`idd`
`00:17.17`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`they're scattered everywhere atm`
`00:17.24`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and it eats my brain out`
`00:17.35`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and I'm alrdy running low on brainvolume atm :<`
`00:17.47`	`Kirkburn`	`Post it over where Gryphon suggested (yes I know you've already written a bit there)`
`00:17.55`	`Kirkburn`	`(http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Policy/Writing/Guild_pages)`
`00:18.26`	`Kirkburn`	`It's one of those difficult problems`
`00:19.08`	`Kirkburn`	`My personaly thought is, ideally, the article name should be Guild (Server), and the writers should make a disambig by default`
`00:19.12`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`well, it doesn't have to be difficult`
`00:19.14`	`Kirkburn`	`at Guild`
`00:19.20`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`indeed`
`00:19.33`	`Kirkburn`	`Difficult because it's hard to make people follow it :P`
`00:19.51`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`for not listeners we have the {{Speedydelete}}`
`00:19.54`	`Kirkburn`	`Write it up into a policy format and post that on the Policy page`
`00:20.02`	`Kirkburn`	`indeed =)`
`00:20.13`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`It never hurts to go a bit rough on the writers`
`00:20.29`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`With a site like the wiki, it's not really good to be loose on the rules`
`00:20.51`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and we don't have that many rules (what makes me happy)`
`00:20.52`	`Kirkburn`	`Note that Watchdog has just been speedy-ing a bunch of guild articles - probably what made you think of this again?`
`00:21.00`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`yup`
`00:21.11`	`Adys`	`Watchdog? oO`
`00:21.16`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Watchout*`
`00:21.23`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm glad the lawlessness pleases you :P It pleases me too`
`00:21.23`	`Adys`	`Well, duh ;p`
`00:21.27`	`Kirkburn`	`Um yeah`
`00:21.50`	`Kirkburn`	`And Watchoutbot, but you don't see his edits =)`
`00:22.12`	`Kirkburn`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Watchoutbot`
`00:22.16`	`Adys`	`He came from nowhere and suddenly did a lot on guildstubs etc, setted up a bot`
`00:22.22`	`Adys`	`and vanished for two months`
`00:22.26`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah :/`
`00:22.34`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`XD`
`00:22.43`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Sounds like a chinese to me!`
`00:22.44`	`Adys`	`tis cool if hes back tho =P`
`00:22.53`	`Adys`	`I like his guildstub thing`
`00:23.04`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`well let's hope he stays a while`
`00:23.05`	`Kirkburn`	`Hopefully, hopefully`
`00:23.14`	`Adys`	`Get him to join irc =P`
`00:23.23`	`Kirkburn`	`Yay for http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Mikkbot too`
`00:23.25`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`because if I finally have wrapped up the small PR thingy to get more players to edit their Server pages...`
`00:23.55`	`Kirkburn`	`Btw, important page to watch! http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:RC/Content`
`00:23.59`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Guilds will pop up like warlocks will pop up in BC!`
`00:24.04`	`Kirkburn`	`lol`
`00:24.38`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`XD`
`00:24.40`	`*** topic/#wowwiki by Kirkburn -> Welcome to the WoWWiki IRC channel! \| http://www.wowwiki.com \| Discuss general wiki issues, admin issues and report vandalism here! \| WATCH ME: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:RC/Content`
`00:24.53`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`On a more sie note`
`00:24.56`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`side*`
`00:25.15`	`Kirkburn`	`Mmmhmm?`
`00:25.20`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`do you guys think it's possible to ninja the server up and down status from the official WoW website?`
`00:25.29`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and implement them on server pages...`
`00:25.32`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`that would be kind of cool`
`00:25.46`	`Kirkburn`	`Is it possible, or it is "allowed"?`
`00:25.53`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`both ^^`
`00:26.10`	`Kirkburn`	`Hope so to former, yes to latter`
`00:26.16`	`Teomyr`	`i think several sites do it already`
`00:26.19`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`possible, no doubt, you can ninja anything (though for this one some brains will be required)`
`00:26.29`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`It would be kind of nice to have`
`00:26.38`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`no more searching on that long list for your guild`
`00:26.52`	`Shuddertrix`	`gotta ninja some brains first, methinks`
`00:27.11`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`perhaps we can work it into the {{Server\|Shattered Hand Europe\|Shattered, Hand, Europe}} template`
`00:28.14`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Atm, WoWwiki is becoming a strong informational source, not only with lore information, but also with item information and such`
`00:28.24`	`Teomyr`	`i think there are other nice (automated) things that would fit nicely with the wiki`
`00:28.34`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`like?`
`00:28.40`	`Teomyr`	`such as automatically generated tooltips, not the copy-and-paste stuff we do now`
`00:28.51`	`Adys`	`yeah thats what we're working on atm`
`00:28.56`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`uhu`
`00:29.30`	`Teomyr`	`creating pages and tooltips for each and every item in-game is very tedious and things tend to get out of date`
`00:29.42`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`yup`
`00:29.50`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`especially now`
`00:29.55`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`With patch 2.0.1`
`00:30.00`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`the rating system kicked in`
`00:30.07`	`Adys`	`hehe`
`00:30.11`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and A LOT of items are now outdated`
`00:30.20`	`Adys`	`=P`
`00:30.37`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`^^`
`00:30.43`	`Adys`	`if everyone uses {{effect}} on the new rating system thingies it can get updated really fast`
`00:30.50`	`Adys`	`most of the rated spells are already in`
`00:31.00`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`true`
`00:31.14`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`We're also lacking a lot of BC stuff..`
`00:31.22`	`Kirkburn`	`Add it, add it :P`
`00:31.25`	`Adys`	`aint a prob`
`00:31.45`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Well, I wouldn't mind working on BC`
`00:31.54`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but I'm alrdy doing so much different stuff`
`00:31.55`	`Adys`	`Go ahead =P`
`00:31.55`	`Kirkburn`	`We're in a hell of a lot better position than we were when WoW started`
`00:32.06`	`Kirkburn`	`This is because we did not exist when WoW started.`
`00:32.11`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`one thing I always questioned though`
`00:32.17`	`Adys`	`lol kirk`
`00:32.17`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`who hosts the wowwiki servers?`
`00:32.20`	`Adys`	`that makes.. sense =P`
`00:32.22`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and lol ^^`
`00:32.28`	`Kirkburn`	`"Someone"`
`00:32.39`	`Adys`	`hehe`
`00:32.41`	`Kirkburn`	`First editL http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=1`
`00:32.49`	`Kirkburn`	`13 Nov 2004`
`00:33.01`	`Adys`	`Oi`
`00:33.05`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`old :o`
`00:33.09`	`Adys`	`we are 2 years and one month old :)`
`00:33.24`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`we didn't celebrate 1year? :<`
`00:33.30`	`Adys`	`neither two`
`00:33.32`	`Kirkburn`	`I can't be more specific than "Someone" for the host, because I don't know`
`00:33.56`	`Kirkburn`	`Meh, we don't need anniversaries :P`
`00:34.00`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`oh`
`00:34.02`	`Kirkburn`	`We're too awesome for that`
`00:34.06`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and one thing which really annoys me`
`00:34.13`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`especially on such a late time as this one`
`00:34.24`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`that friggin ugly orc in the upper left corner!`
`00:34.34`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`who even implemented that one!`
`00:35.04`	`Kirkburn`	`Heh, no idea`
`00:35.10`	`Kirkburn`	`Probably Rustak way back when`
`00:35.25`	`Kirkburn`	`That's a nasty cough you've got there`
`00:35.32`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`quit smoking`
`00:35.35`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`it kills you!`
`00:35.54`	`Kirkburn`	`Yes, it needs changing, I know! Let us hope Rustak one day does something`
`00:36.29`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Proposed_icon/Archive02 ...`
`00:36.40`	`Adys`	`.. ^^`
`00:36.49`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Proposed_icon *`
`00:37.15`	`Kirkburn`	`http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=www.wowwiki.com :)`
`00:37.28`	`Kirkburn`	`Yes, shush, no need to antagonise me with that :P`
`00:37.43`	`Adys`	`Traffic Rank for wowwiki.com: 3,673`
`00:37.45`	`Adys`	`AND..`
`00:37.49`	`Adys`	`a shitty icon :/`
`00:37.59`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`yup!`
`00:38.40`	`Kirkburn`	`haha`
`00:39.25`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`hmmm another thing I have been thinking about`
`00:39.35`	`Kirkburn`	`WoWWiki:About in August 2006: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=WoWWiki:About&oldid=201569`
`00:39.42`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`When I update my server Guild progression page I made a nice tabe thingy`
`00:39.49`	`Kirkburn`	`WoWWiki:About today: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:About`
`00:40.02`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but many players aren't smart enough to update such a table...`
`00:40.26`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`is it possible to script somethig so that players just have to fill in some words in a form and that it generates the thingy itself?`
`00:41.06`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`ONLY 20.788 itempages?`
`00:41.13`	`Kirkburn`	`heh`
`00:41.25`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Content pages*`
`00:41.25`	`Kirkburn`	`Patrigan-Syldra, doubt it, for the script`
`00:41.25`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`darn it sure seems alot more`
`00:41.41`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`myeah then I'll just have to teach those dombos how to edit it ^^`
`00:42.51`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`wowwiki@wowwiki.com now that's an adres I haven't seen before oO`
`00:44.22`	`Adys`	`Trivia: The name is a portmanteau of the acronym WoW (for World of Warcraft) and wiki.`
`00:44.40`	`Teomyr`	`huh?`
`00:44.53`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`XD`
`00:44.56`	`Adys`	`lol`
`00:44.57`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`translated`
`00:45.29`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`The name came from WoW (which obviously comes from World of Warcraft, you stupid) and Wiki (whihc came from god knows where)`
`00:45.44`	`Kirkburn`	`hehehe`
`00:47.00`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`hmmm`
`00:47.24`	`Teomyr`	`i dunno, but to me the meaning of "portmanteau" was far less obvious than that of "wowwiki"`
`00:47.31`	`Adys`	`lol`
`00:47.36`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`XD`
`00:47.47`	`Adys`	`Erm`
`00:48.07`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`God, I'm getting old...`
`00:48.14`	`Adys`	`in french a porte-manteau is something you put your dresses and hats on. Literally its a hat-keeper or something`
`00:48.23`	`Adys`	`join the club =P`
`00:48.28`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/EU_forums`
`00:48.39`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I remember setting that up`
`00:48.46`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`22 november 2005...`
`00:48.57`	`Teomyr`	`yes, i got it, but what i don't get is: why explain something so easy with such a "difficult" word :P`
`00:49.23`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`We aren't all as stupid as you!`
`00:49.38`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`(or at least we attempt not to be...)`
`00:49.53`	`Teomyr`	`indeed`
`00:50.00`	`[Zeal]`	`<Patrigan-Syldra> is it possible to script somethig so that players just have to fill in some words in a form and that it generates the thingy itself? <-- conditional template`
`00:50.22`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=EU_forums&oldid=46730`
`00:50.23`	`Adys`	`hehe`
`00:50.23`	`[Zeal]`	`why would you need a form on a wiki? :S`
`00:50.59`	`Teomyr`	`hah, that eu forums page reminds me of something funny about Vaneck`
`00:51.01`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`to allow stupid people to still update something`
`00:51.09`	`Teomyr`	`there was a discussion on the eu forums once about his past`
`00:51.21`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`CMs have a past? :o`
`00:51.28`	`Teomyr`	`yes :D`
`00:51.39`	`Teomyr`	`vaneck is/was known as "DJ Perplexer"`
`00:51.47`	`Adys`	`Tseric has a past with Warriors since a while now`
`00:52.14`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`lol XD`
`00:52.18`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`silly germans!`
`00:52.23`	`Teomyr`	`he made techno and dance music`
`00:52.41`	`Teomyr`	`overall, he sold 1.2 million records!`
`00:53.17`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`O_O`
`00:54.28`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`god...`
`00:54.31`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I'm getting old ^^`
`00:54.37`	`Adys`	`grats`
`00:54.43`	`Teomyr`	`gz @ levelup`
`00:54.45`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`the more I look it up, the more I realise it ^^`
`00:54.59`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I actually have seen Warlocks with leather!`
`00:55.13`	`Adys`	`warcraft III? =P`
`00:55.16`	`Teomyr`	`dear god, you must be really old`
`00:55.18`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nope`
`00:55.23`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`WoW Beta`
`00:55.28`	`Adys`	`heheh`
`00:55.29`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Original beta`
`00:55.43`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`been playing WoW since then >.>`
`00:55.49`	`Adys`	`<3`
`00:56.03`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`been in 2 Top Raiding guilds, one of which I was the GL of...`
`00:56.22`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`And now I rerolled Alliance, to allow the whole story to start over again!`
`00:56.34`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`This time with a twist`
`00:56.42`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Gonna try creating a healerclass only guild ^^`
`00:56.54`	`Teomyr`	`oO`
`00:57.23`	`Kirkburn`	`lol`
`00:57.39`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`with lots of fluffy animals!`
`00:57.58`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`...`
`00:58.01`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`K...`
`00:58.06`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`think it's time for my bed >.>`
`00:58.12`	`Kirkburn`	`Same here`
`00:58.17`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Oooh cool!`
`00:58.26`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Kirkburn replied on something I wrote!`
`00:58.30`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I feel cool now!`
`00:58.39`	`Kirkburn`	`:D`
`00:59.14`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`(though it's not the first time >.>)`
`00:59.17`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`tomorrow`
`00:59.35`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I'm gonna check out the Realm Status thingy`
`00:59.39`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`work a bit more on the TCG`
`00:59.57`	`*** join/#wowwiki Kirkburn (n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net)`
`01:00.01`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and actually study something for a change...`
`01:00.07`	`*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Kirkburn] by ChanServ`
`01:00.11`	`Kirkburn`	`Raaaagh!`
`01:00.13`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`WoW is bad when you have exams in January >.>`
`01:00.17`	`Kirkburn`	`My router disconnected me again`
`01:00.26`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:00.32`	`Kirkburn`	`If you said anything after "<Patrigan-Syldra> I feel cool now!" I didn't get it :P`
`01:00.38`	`Teomyr`	`<3 psybnc`
`01:00.53`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`all I said was what I'm going to do now`
`01:01.00`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`or tomorrow`
`01:01.02`	`Kirkburn`	`I have it auto ghost me when I log in, since disconnects happen so often`
`01:01.12`	`Kirkburn`	`Sleep? :P`
`01:01.19`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`now sleep`
`01:01.20`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`tomorrow`
`01:01.23`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Realm Status`
`01:01.29`	`Kirkburn`	`cool`
`01:01.35`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`apply more pressure on the Guild thingy`
`01:01.41`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and work a bit more on the TCG section`
`01:01.45`	`Teomyr`	`that's what happens if I disconnect :D`
`01:01.49`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and actually study for my exams`
`01:01.55`	`Kirkburn`	`Teomyr, how?`
`01:01.58`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`darn give that >.>`
`01:01.59`	`Adys`	`Im not sure the TCG should be on wowwiki tbh`
`01:02.08`	`Kirkburn`	`TCG, yeah, why not?`
`01:02.12`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`part of Warcraft`
`01:02.17`	`Adys`	`hmm`
`01:02.26`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`so imo yes`
`01:02.28`	`Kirkburn`	`It's definatelt part of the Warcraft universe`
`01:02.36`	`Adys`	`I'd see it on a different wiki more easily`
`01:02.40`	`Teomyr`	`i have a bouncer set up on my shell, like an irc proxy. it has a permanent connection and i can attach/detach anytime i want... in theory. not sure if i configured it correctly :D`
`01:02.44`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`pffft`
`01:02.49`	`Kirkburn`	`I don't suggest we carry every card details =)`
`01:02.50`	`Adys`	`it's really quite a big game`
`01:03.07`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`well 335 atm and 340 later on`
`01:03.11`	`Kirkburn`	`Actually, what does the TCG bit cover atm?`
`01:03.15`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`do you actually think I'm gonna update all cards >.>`
`01:03.26`	`Adys`	`I rather have the whole trading card game info, with tips, tactics, discussions etc`
`01:03.34`	`Adys`	`but its totally offtopic from wow at this point`
`01:03.53`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Atm it only covers set lists`
`01:03.56`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`with some details`
`01:04.05`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`need to do some work on the rarities and such`
`01:04.13`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`wasn't really sure what else to add to it`
`01:04.21`	`[Zeal]`	`on the subject of the tcg, any one got an idea on namespaces for them? Set: and Card: is all that would be needed right?`
`01:04.26`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but I just started working on it, because the original page was so outdated...`
`01:04.41`	`Adys\|AFK`	`Actually`
`01:04.43`	`Adys\|AFK`	`is it..`
`01:04.44`	`Adys\|AFK`	`nvm`
`01:04.50`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`XD`
`01:05.00`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Well, for me it doesn't really matter`
`01:05.00`	`Adys\|AFK`	`if the icon is still not changed I doubt rustak would create another wiki =P`
`01:05.11`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I just love playing the game :p`
`01:05.26`	`Kirkburn`	`Cool`
`01:05.30`	`Kirkburn`	`Anyway, U must be off`
`01:05.32`	`Kirkburn`	`*I!`
`01:05.35`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Same here`
`01:05.37`	`Kirkburn`	`(and you, probably`
`01:05.42`	`Adys\|AFK`	`Yepp same here, afk for long`
`01:05.43`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`We'll talk some more on these subjects tomorrow`
`01:05.45`	`[Zeal]`	`doesn't really need a new wiki.`
`01:05.49`	`Kirkburn`	`Sure thing`
`01:06.03`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`gn guys`
`01:06.04`	`Kirkburn`	`WoWWiki must contain all the info in the universe!`
`01:06.08`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`XD`
`01:06.10`	`Adys\|AFK`	`I dont know zeal, a separate section on wowwiki`
`01:06.10`	`[Zeal]`	`lol`
`01:06.14`	`Adys\|AFK`	`like tcg.wowwiki.com`
`01:06.16`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Who was albert Einstein`
`01:06.25`	`Kirkburn`	`Adys\|AFK, you're in fantasy land =)`
`01:06.35`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Well, let's put it like this`
`01:06.35`	`Adys\|AFK`	`Yepp big time =P`
`01:06.36`	`Kirkburn`	`We can but hope`
`01:06.41`	`Adys\|AFK`	`Get this icon working someone :(`
`01:06.42`	`Adys\|AFK`	`lol`
`01:06.52`	`Teomyr`	`we can't even get a new icon and you're already thinking about subdomains ^^`
`01:06.53`	`[Zeal]`	`nah, if this was wikipedia, it would be the case. but because this is warcraft only, there is no conflict in namespaces, so it's fine.`
`01:07.11`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Icons are trivial`
`01:07.17`	`Adys\|AFK`	`erm`
`01:07.21`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`the master does not keep himself busy with trivialities`
`01:07.31`	`Teomyr`	`oh well, you're right`
`01:07.38`	`Adys\|AFK`	`Go do the icons for me plx Patrigan =P`
`01:07.43`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`>.>`
`01:08.03`	`Adys\|AFK`	`gotta go :) ttyal`
`01:08.07`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`same`
`01:08.08`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`gn all`
`01:08.14`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`be good while I'm gone`
`01:08.38`	`Kirkburn`	`heh`
`01:09.21`	`Teomyr`	`...tired... must... get ... sleep...`
`01:09.24`	`Kirkburn`	`Toodles!`
`01:09.26`	`Teomyr`	`good night everyone!`
`01:10.22`	`Tekkub`	`MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA`
`01:10.39`	`*** kick/#wowwiki [sylvanaar!n=tekkub@ip70-178-135-244.ks.ks.cox.net] by Tekkub (HA HA!)`
`01:10.48`	`Tekkub`	`grin`
`01:11.31`	`Tekkub`	`damn people not auto-re-joining`
`01:19.16`	`[Zeal]`	`heh`
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`02:06.35`	`Tekkub`	`Rustak damn well better do this shit`
`02:07.08`	`Tekkub`	`all he's got to do is open one file and copy/paste my change and we (admins) can edit the wiki's CSS directly in a wiki page`
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`02:16.59`	`Hobinheim`	`yo yo`
`02:17.02`	`Hobinheim`	`paging fellow admins`
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`02:25.52`	`Hobinheim`	`tek incoming private message`
`02:26.02`	`Hobinheim`	`are you registered?`
`02:26.09`	`tekcub`	`yes :P`
`02:26.22`	`Hobinheim`	`did you get one from me?`
`02:26.28`	`Tekkub`	`nope`
`02:26.36`	`Tekkub`	`are YOU registered?`
`02:26.45`	`Hobinheim`	`did i not follow registration properly...`
`02:26.50`	`Hobinheim`	`do you have a link to how to do it`
`02:26.55`	`Tekkub`	`no ><`
`02:26.59`	`Tekkub`	`I did it and forgot`
`02:27.03`	`Tekkub`	`ask nameserv`
`02:27.27`	`Hobinheim`	`nameserv, wtf`
`02:27.48`	`Tekkub`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:28.16`	`Hobinheim`	`duhh i have to locate my pass... =(`
`02:29.32`	`Hobinheim`	`how about now?`
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`04:17.53`	`[Zeal]`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Proposals/Format`
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`07:40.33`	`Tekkub`	`you know... I hate this "Gurubashi Coin as a Quest Objective" section`
`07:40.47`	`Tekkub`	`it's just sounds... dumb`
`07:40.55`	`Tekkub`	`I'd rather just see "Uses"`
`07:41.25`	`Tekkub`	`there aren't enough items that have many different uses to really warrent "special" headings`
`07:49.38`	`Tekkub`	`and maybe it's just me.. but I think pages like this shoudl just be deleted: http://www.wowwiki.com/Whirlwind_Ripper`
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`08:31.48`	`Ruan`	`Haha, that's so awesome, I'm dominating the recent changes page`
`08:37.11`	`Apollozeus`	`guys, I feel I need to apoligize`
`08:37.12`	`Apollozeus`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Wow_gm_island.jpg`
`08:37.15`	`Apollozeus`	`sorry for this`
`08:37.15`	`Apollozeus`	`>_>`
`08:41.08`	`Ruan`	`uhhh`
`08:41.45`	`Ruan`	`but it looks like frodo's house!`
`08:42.35`	`Ruan`	`Thanks for working on the aldor/scryer page, you kinda freaked me out when you moved it for a second, I hit edit and a blank screen came up, Hah.`
`08:42.50`	`Apollozeus`	`haha`
`08:42.54`	`Apollozeus`	`no problem`
`08:42.54`	`Ruan`	`But a "vs." isn't really apt, yeah.`
`08:43.14`	`Apollozeus`	`vs. makes me think of stuff like "who is the stronger of two? place your bets now"`
`08:43.27`	`Apollozeus`	`:P`
`08:44.28`	`Ruan`	`exactly`
`08:45.19`	`Ruan`	`alright off to bed, later.`
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`08:58.20`	`Tekkub`	`sigh`
`08:58.31`	`Tekkub`	`I need to take the FFXI music off my rotation`
`08:58.35`	`Tekkub`	`it's making me sad`
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`09:10.14`	`Quato`	`finally got the auto join workin cheer`
`09:10.18`	`Quato`	`:)`
`09:20.48`	`Tekkub`	`oh really?`
`09:21.16`	`*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Tekkub] by ChanServ`
`09:21.23`	`*** kick/#wowwiki [Quato!n=tekkub@adsl-70-250-24-54.dsl.fyvlar.swbell.net] by Tekkub (just testing)`
`09:21.36`	`Tekkub`	`suuuuuuure`
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`09:32.14`	`Quato`	`the kick worked ;)`
`09:38.20`	`Apollozeus`	`lol`
`09:40.07`	`Tekkub`	`yea was testing for auto rejoin`
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`10:15.39`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Gmorning`
`10:16.39`	`Quato`	`morning`
`10:17.22`	`Quato`	`aha more belgian people, if I can rely on the /whois ;)`
`10:22.28`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Swe?!`
`10:22.31`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`^^`
`10:22.35`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nah belgian here`
`10:22.46`	`Quato`	`Belgian here too :)`
`10:22.53`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nice!`
`10:23.00`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Swe =/= good`
`10:23.05`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`living on Shattered Hand`
`10:23.08`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and it kills...`
`10:24.02`	`Quato`	`I'm on Hakkar`
`10:28.01`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`how's the server there?`
`10:31.49`	`Quato`	`Too many Italian speaking ppl, so when ur in a party it often ends up as an italian pasta feast :)`
`10:32.47`	`Quato`	`But i'm in a dutch speaking guild on the server, so that's pretty good`
`10:38.50`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`^^`
`10:39.15`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I'm just being GL myself though now recently I rerolled alliance on my server. Parting from horde...`
`10:39.52`	`Quato`	`why the change? :)`
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`11:19.46`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`bored of horde...`
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`12:01.09`	`Apollozeus`	`how awesome`
`12:01.22`	`Apollozeus`	`transferring 11,5 gb to an external drive using usb1.1`
`12:01.30`	`Apollozeus`	`240 minutes left`
`12:01.31`	`Apollozeus`	`>_>`
`12:06.32`	`Tekkub`	`ah ah`
`12:06.35`	`Tekkub`	`*ha ha`
`12:37.38`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`what kind of scripts can the wowwiki server handle? (or a wowwiki page)`
`12:38.26`	`Apollozeus`	`dunno`
`12:38.29`	`Apollozeus`	`check with mediawiki`
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`12:45.53`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`will do`
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`15:06.03`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`<!--`
`15:06.03`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:06.03`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`15:06.10`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:06.12`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`function loadData () {`
`15:06.14`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:06.16`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:06.18`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:06.21`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`}`
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`15:06.35`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`//-->`
`15:06.37`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`hmmmm...`
`15:06.39`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`this is if I'm not mistaken the script that handles the realm status >.>`
`15:07.28`	`Teomyr`	`wow, nice`
`15:07.35`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`myeah`
`15:07.36`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`only`
`15:07.40`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I need to break it up`
`15:07.48`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`so that it only would link to 1 realm`
`15:07.53`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`instead of to more than one ><`
`15:10.49`	`Teomyr`	`you won't be able to do this inside a wowwiki page anyway`
`15:10.56`	`Teomyr`	`the wiki doesn't allow javascript`
`15:11.20`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`idd >.>`
`15:11.24`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`saw it alrdy XD`
`15:11.29`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`so, what I should do`
`15:11.29`	`Teomyr`	`:D`
`15:11.37`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`is create a seperate page on a server`
`15:11.45`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and transclude it into a wiki page...`
`15:11.48`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`GG!`
`15:11.53`	`Teomyr`	`don't think that would work either`
`15:12.04`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`it wouldn't?`
`15:12.08`	`Teomyr`	`mediawiki is very strict about the page's content`
`15:12.10`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`that would...`
`15:12.13`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`kind of...`
`15:12.16`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`suck!`
`15:12.20`	`Teomyr`	`you can't even include pictures from other domains :/`
`15:12.32`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`sure you can`
`15:12.53`	`Teomyr`	`sure? how?`
`15:12.57`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/TCG_Through_the_Dark_Portal`
`15:13.03`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`look at the picture all the way down`
`15:13.25`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`reminds me that some help page about this is wrong ^^`
`15:13.34`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`cuz it said that it's impossible :o`
`15:13.48`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`though`
`15:13.52`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`it is kind of buggy XD`
`15:13.55`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`in the sense that`
`15:13.59`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`when you click it...`
`15:14.27`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but hey, it shows the picture fine for me ^^`
`15:15.12`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`ah well...`
`15:15.25`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I'll handle the script when someone with more scripting knowledge gets online`
`15:16.45`	`Teomyr`	`nice, didn't know it was possible`
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`15:16.57`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`well`
`15:17.05`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`fiddling around with a wiki`
`15:17.10`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`teaches you things`
`15:17.21`	`Teomyr`	`the best thing, though, would be a mediawiki plugin that fetches the realm status xml page and runs an xquery on that`
`15:17.34`	`Teomyr`	`like //r[@n="Hyjal"]/@s`
`15:20.02`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`jup`
`15:20.13`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but I can not do that :p`
`15:20.46`	`Teomyr`	`well... few people can change the technical stuff of the wiki, rustak being one of them ^^`
`15:21.38`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`yup`
`15:21.51`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`darn I loev the TCG art`
`15:22.11`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/TCG_Through_the_Dark_Portal#Example_Art`
`15:22.17`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`just look at those 2`
`15:22.21`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`aren't they cool?`
`15:22.55`	`Teomyr`	`indeed`
`15:23.05`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`need to be on my toes atm`
`15:23.12`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`UDE is updating their website with art`
`15:23.19`	`Apollozeus`	`can you put those in a frame?`
`15:23.23`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`so I need to make sure I fetch those asap on the page`
`15:23.36`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`how you mean Apollozeus?`
`15:23.37`	`Apollozeus`	`and by frame I mean [[Image:....\|frame]]`
`15:23.51`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`hmmm`
`15:23.53`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`probably`
`15:23.54`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`lemme check`
`15:24.08`	`Apollozeus`	`if not, we're better off just uploading them to wowwiki`
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`15:24.58`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`hmmm at first glance`
`15:24.59`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nope`
`15:25.08`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but might be able to if I fiddle around a bit more :p`
`15:25.20`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`hi Adys8924`
`15:25.32`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Just wondering`
`15:25.39`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`how much pictures can the server handle?`
`15:25.54`	`Apollozeus`	`a lot`
`15:26.02`	`Apollozeus`	`as long as there is webspace available..`
`15:26.13`	`Teomyr`	`better upload them`
`15:26.16`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`any clue how much webspace is left?`
`15:26.27`	`Apollozeus`	`I don't know, you'd have to ask Rustak`
`15:26.40`	`Apollozeus`	`who I have never spoken, seen, or spotted anywhere near wowwiki`
`15:26.52`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`XD`
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`15:27.13`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Adys8924 having problems,�`
`15:27.14`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`?`
`15:27.20`	`Adys8924`	`Connexion probs =P`
`15:27.30`	`Apollozeus`	`ehm`
`15:27.38`	`Apollozeus`	`do we allow articles on hunter pets`
`15:27.42`	`*** join/#wowwiki Kirkburn (n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net)`
`15:27.43`	`Apollozeus`	`as in... specific hunter pets`
`15:28.00`	`Apollozeus`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Ghamoo`
`15:28.28`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`well`
`15:28.42`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`at first sight`
`15:28.46`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`it looks like an RP pahe`
`15:28.48`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`page*`
`15:28.53`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`of the playerKhalikus`
`15:28.55`	`Apollozeus`	`move to userpage?`
`15:29.14`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`well`
`15:29.22`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`not sure actually oO`
`15:29.35`	`Apollozeus`	`player articles should be in user namespace`
`15:29.41`	`Apollozeus`	`so why shouldn't hunter pets articles be?`
`15:29.46`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`true`
`15:29.51`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`moving it is!`
`15:29.56`	`Apollozeus`	`they're definetely not more notable than their owner`
`15:30.08`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but don't move to User:Ghamoo`
`15:30.24`	`Apollozeus`	`User:Adenhart/Ghamoo`
`15:30.35`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`seems good`
`15:30.59`	`Apollozeus`	`and some other thing`
`15:31.06`	`Apollozeus`	`I think we should get rid of Template:Silly`
`15:31.19`	`Apollozeus`	`it's just an excuse for people to insert nonsense in the article`
`15:31.28`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`hmmm`
`15:31.38`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nah, the template shouldn't leave`
`15:31.52`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I don't want real community content like Kralnor`
`15:32.02`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and several other similar things to leave the wiki`
`15:32.12`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`though, i do agree the rules should be stricter`
`15:32.13`	`Apollozeus`	`Neither do I`
`15:32.28`	`Apollozeus`	`just the template`
`15:32.47`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`How can I see which pages uses that template? >.>`
`15:32.47`	`Apollozeus`	`I mean, people poored pretty hard work in articles like Hogger`
`15:33.12`	`Apollozeus`	`they don't want to see their articles rated as jokes ;x`
`15:33.20`	`Apollozeus`	`you can see that down in the toolbox "what links here"`
`15:33.42`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`that toolbox has never before struck my eye >.>`
`15:34.20`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/High_Overlord_Saurfang I like those silly facts though`
`15:34.23`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`shouldn't forget`
`15:34.31`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Saurfang is like the CHuck Norris from Horde Side`
`15:35.58`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Chuck_Norris that I do not understand...`
`15:36.16`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Bad_Cow_Puns that's pagewaste aswell`
`15:36.20`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`though the pun is funny XD`
`15:36.24`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`perhaps`
`15:36.29`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`we should make a page or something`
`15:36.39`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`with funny puns and jokes regarding WoW`
`15:36.59`	`Apollozeus`	`that stuff should stay, that template should just go`
`15:37.00`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`then we can put a link in the saurfang page, linking to that pun and joke page section High Overlord Saurfang`
`15:37.23`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nah, the template is important`
`15:37.31`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`it shows if it's lorebound or not`
`15:38.10`	`Apollozeus`	`yeah, alright... seperating the serious stuff from the nonserious stuff`
`15:38.19`	`Apollozeus`	`that's an idea`
`15:38.29`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Hecht_Copperpinch`
`15:38.36`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`wtf is silly on that page? Oo`
`15:38.44`	`Apollozeus`	`remove it`
`15:39.42`	`Apollozeus`	`[[Chuck Norris]] and [[Bad Cow Puns]] could be merged in Barrens Chat IMHO`
`15:39.47`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`every smokeywood pastures NPC has the silly bound to it oO`
`15:40.19`	`Apollozeus`	`what asshole has been doing that o.O`
`15:41.43`	`Apollozeus`	`hmm`
`15:41.54`	`Apollozeus`	`Varghedin did that on december 18`
`15:41.55`	`Apollozeus`	`"`
`15:41.56`	`Apollozeus`	`:/`
`15:43.15`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Land_Lobsters`
`15:43.18`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`oO`
`15:43.21`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Varghedin?`
`15:43.29`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`isn't he an experienced wowwiki dude? oO`
`15:43.37`	`b1f30_w0rk`	`LOL`
`15:43.55`	`Apollozeus`	`yeah :/`
`15:44.06`	`Apollozeus`	`he keeps changing the bold titles at the beginning of articles too`
`15:44.39`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`bold titles?`
`15:44.46`	`Apollozeus`	`yep`
`15:44.53`	`Apollozeus`	`they are supposed to be like this: '''Title'''`
`15:44.58`	`Apollozeus`	`and turns it into [[Title]]`
`15:45.19`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`oO`
`15:45.24`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`so...`
`15:45.29`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`anyone care to give hima note on it?`
`15:45.38`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Corwin_of_Amber changing the silly there to Warcraft I`
`15:46.41`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`not really lorebound, but it's Warcraft I bound`
`15:47.00`	`Apollozeus`	`goddamn it`
`15:47.07`	`Apollozeus`	`he has put those articles in [[Category:Silly]] as well!`
`15:49.07`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`hmmm`
`15:49.12`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I understand why he did it though`
`15:49.26`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`because the article now also got the lore Category`
`15:49.38`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`because {{Warcraft_I}} adds it`
`15:49.52`	`*** join/#wowwiki champion (i=champion@CPE-144-132-52-54.vic.bigpond.net.au)`
`15:51.43`	`Apollozeus`	`I was talking about the smokeywood pastures NPCs`
`15:52.05`	`Apollozeus`	`he added {{silly}} AND [[category:silly]]`
`15:52.49`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`haha`
`15:53.00`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`yeah he did that too on the Corwin of AMber page XD`
`15:53.21`	`Apollozeus`	`ok`
`15:53.27`	`Apollozeus`	`I'm dropping the dude a note`
`15:56.25`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`force him to fix it himself!`
`15:56.34`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`btw`
`15:56.39`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nah nvm`
`15:56.40`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`brb`
`15:56.42`	`Apollozeus`	`I can't force him`
`15:56.43`	`Apollozeus`	`XD`
`16:01.16`	`Adys8924`	`hehe couldn't resist to remove the "the"`
`16:01.20`	`Adys8924`	`Sorry apollo`
`16:01.21`	`Adys8924`	`=P`
`16:01.39`	`*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Adys] by ChanServ`
`16:07.16`	`Apollozeus`	`?`
`16:07.38`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AVarghedin&diff=383652&oldid=383647`
`16:07.40`	`Apollozeus`	`oh`
`16:07.41`	`Apollozeus`	`I see`
`16:07.44`	`Apollozeus`	`lol :P`
`16:12.37`	`Kirkburn`	`Hullo`
`16:12.46`	`Kirkburn`	`Sorry, been away from the PC`
`16:12.59`	`Kirkburn`	`Adys, I made a comment on the Village Pump about the links`
`16:13.10`	`*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Kirkburn] by ChanServ`
`16:13.16`	`*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Tekkub] by Kirkburn`
`16:15.49`	`Kirkburn`	`The links at the start of articles, '''Title''' is equivalent to [[Title]] assuming the page isn't moved, so I don't really see the huge problem :)`
`16:16.50`	`Adys`	`haha its not a problem kirk`
`16:16.54`	`Adys`	`was just a joke`
`16:17.16`	`Kirkburn`	`What was? confused`
`16:17.40`	`*** join/#wowwiki Hobinheim (n=meatwad@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)`
`16:17.49`	`Kirkburn`	`Apollozeus, Chuck Norris deserves his own article`
`16:17.49`	`Hobinheim`	`wow there are a lot of people in here`
`16:17.55`	`Hobinheim`	`yes, yes he does`
`16:17.57`	`Kirkburn`	`Hullo Hob!`
`16:18.23`	`Hobinheim`	`well met, kirk`
`16:18.28`	`Kirkburn`	`Oh yes and to another point - don't worry about image space. The server has plenty of space as far as I know`
`16:18.47`	`Hobinheim`	`ZOMG FEEL FREE TO ABUSE W/ PR0NO`
`16:18.51`	`Apollozeus`	`<@Kirkburn> The links at the start of articles, '''Title''' is equivalent to [[Title]] assuming the page isn't moved, so I don't really see the huge problem :) <-- that's exactly the issue; we tend to move some pages causing the titles to become links`
`16:19.03`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`(does he read everything without replying? >.> that man really scares me >.>)`
`16:19.06`	`Kirkburn`	`Well okay, fair enough :P`
`16:19.18`	`Hobinheim`	`that's why i use {{PAGENAME}}`
`16:19.24`	`Hobinheim`	`lol w/e it's all the same`
`16:19.37`	`Apollozeus`	`<@Kirkburn> Apollozeus, Chuck Norris deserves his own article <-- ok, point granted.. but then that needs to be tagged {{stub}}`
`16:19.44`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`true`
`16:19.49`	`Apollozeus`	`but the bad cow puns should not have their own article`
`16:19.51`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and Chuck Norris is evil...`
`16:19.59`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Perhaps`
`16:20.02`	`Hobinheim`	`i'm surprised chuck norris hasn't already had an article`
`16:20.07`	`Apollozeus`	`it does`
`16:20.11`	`Apollozeus`	`it's just... short`
`16:20.19`	`Hobinheim`	`or at the very least chuck norris should redirect to the barrens and chuck norris should be a heading at the bottom`
`16:20.27`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`we should make a [[jokes_and_puns]] and then make a jokes and puns/ChuckNorris`
`16:20.40`	`Hobinheim`	`chuck norris isn't punny at all`
`16:20.43`	`Hobinheim`	`he's serious business`
`16:20.45`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`>.>`
`16:20.51`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`god please kill me >.>`
`16:20.51`	`Apollozeus`	`he deserves his own article`
`16:21.08`	`Hobinheim`	`he's the reason illidan is stuck in outland`
`16:21.16`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Omg O_O I fell right into the Chuck Norris Cheering Squad!`
`16:21.20`	`Apollozeus`	`he made kazzak open the dark portal`
`16:21.21`	`Apollozeus`	`D:`
`16:21.37`	`Kirkburn`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Chuck_Norris`
`16:21.47`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`A bunch of horny Cheerleaders, getting horny over what Chuck Norris can do (and not what he can't, because apparently, that does not exist...)`
`16:21.48`	`Kirkburn`	`I don't see it as a problem tbh`
`16:21.56`	`Hobinheim`	`you know what the emerald dream actually is? a vision of azeroth untouched by chuck norris`
`16:22.04`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nah, me neither...`
`16:22.06`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`though`
`16:22.15`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`High Overlord Saurfang >>>> Chuck Norris`
`16:22.18`	`Hobinheim`	`mankrik's wife gave chuck norris some sass and look what happened to her`
`16:22.26`	`Hobinheim`	`you don't want to end up like mankrik's wife`
`16:22.33`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Where is she anyways?`
`16:22.39`	`Hobinheim`	`I DON'T KNOW`
`16:22.42`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`!`
`16:22.50`	`Hobinheim`	`i used to have it down to a system, like west of dots on the map`
`16:22.58`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`God am I happy to be Alliance now >.>`
`16:23.07`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`She's NEXT TO THE ROAD!`
`16:23.12`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`YOU GET IT NOW!!!`
`16:23.25`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`argh, how many times haven't I said that in Barrens Chat >.>`
`16:23.26`	`Hobinheim`	`lol i didn't know they tlaked about chuck norris in ironforge`
`16:23.36`	`Hobinheim`	`that's worse than the barrens, people actually do things in ironforge`
`16:23.44`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`XD`
`16:23.46`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`myeah`
`16:23.50`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Chuck Norris haunts me`
`16:23.50`	`Hobinheim`	`dammit who wrote this article`
`16:24.03`	`Adys`	`dont know how your server is but trade chan is spammed by random crap since 2.0`
`16:24.11`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`XD`
`16:24.13`	`Adys`	`and when i say spammed I mean it`
`16:24.15`	`Hobinheim`	`i don't read trade`
`16:24.17`	`Apollozeus`	`WTS STUPID ITEM`
`16:24.20`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`hey`
`16:24.26`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I just sold my old Guildbank`
`16:24.29`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`15G per Core!`
`16:24.34`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and some dude even bought all!`
`16:24.36`	`Adys`	`thats cheap`
`16:24.41`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`not at all`
`16:24.47`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`they're useless in about 20 days`
`16:24.52`	`Adys`	`can sell a core for 80g easy on here`
`16:24.58`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`here as well`
`16:25.08`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but I wanted to amke sure I was rid of those 200+ cores`
`16:25.17`	`Apollozeus`	`200 x 15`
`16:25.18`	`Apollozeus`	`hmm`
`16:25.21`	`Apollozeus`	`not too shabby`
`16:25.22`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`perhaps 10-20 I could sell for 40`
`16:25.29`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but v200 out for 40?`
`16:25.40`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`well`
`16:25.51`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I made over 4-5k`
`16:25.53`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`so I'm happy`
`16:26.04`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`(though, it's stuff that I'm sharing with my exmembers >.>)`
`16:26.04`	`Adys`	`Hehe Molten Core pugs ftw =P`
`16:26.11`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nah`
`16:26.20`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`being GL of a Naxx goign guild that disbands ftw!`
`16:26.45`	`Apollozeus`	`rofl, you disbanded the guild for cash? :P`
`16:26.55`	`Adys`	`many guilds will disband in bc anyways`
`16:27.17`	`Adys`	`I left mine for a more casual one a few days back`
`16:27.26`	`Adys`	`doubt my ex guild will survive anyways`
`16:27.31`	`Apollozeus`	`the shift to new endgame instances will be a shocking one`
`16:27.38`	`Adys`	`and its good stopping the naxxfarming when you know 4hm aint going down`
`16:27.42`	`Adys`	`too bad tho`
`16:28.00`	`Apollozeus`	`+ people rolling draeneis and blood elves suddenly don't have time anymore to attend raids`
`16:28.48`	`Hobinheim`	`i wish there was a pug alliance for smart people only`
`16:28.50`	`Hobinheim`	`or people that don't suck`
`16:29.24`	`Hobinheim`	`anyone read something awful?`
`16:29.27`	`Adys`	`http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=102480640`
`16:29.40`	`Adys`	`And for this week: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=102040652`
`16:30.04`	`Apollozeus`	`interesting`
`16:30.09`	`Adys`	`it's good to create some ambiance on a server`
`16:30.16`	`Adys`	`the MC pugs are great, we kill rag every week`
`16:30.41`	`Apollozeus`	`wow`
`16:30.45`	`Hobinheim`	`you're european`
`16:30.48`	`Hobinheim`	`americans aren't that smart`
`16:30.52`	`Adys`	`lol`
`16:30.54`	`Apollozeus`	`dude`
`16:31.03`	`Apollozeus`	`at LEAST everyone speaks english there`
`16:31.16`	`Apollozeus`	`gotta hate the swedish people talking in their own language`
`16:31.20`	`Hobinheim`	`are you saying they're conducting pug raids w/o the use of a common language?`
`16:31.21`	`b1f30_w0rk`	`i don't speak english`
`16:31.28`	`Hobinheim`	`you lie, what did you just type`
`16:31.30`	`Apollozeus`	`sure you don't ;)`
`16:31.33`	`Adys`	`nah`
`16:32.02`	`b1f30_w0rk`	`i love how speaking english seems to correlate into some kind of intelligence`
`16:32.25`	`Hobinheim`	`"THE FRENCH PEOPLE HANDLE THE ADDS, EVERYONE ELSE ON DPS"`
`16:32.31`	`Adys`	`lol`
`16:33.09`	`b1f30_w0rk`	`haha - that's fucking stupid`
`16:33.19`	`Apollozeus`	`rofl`
`16:33.57`	`b1f30_w0rk`	`Q: What do you call a 20-year old American in 2nd grade? A: Smart.`
`16:34.22`	`Hobinheim`	`ouch...`
`16:34.24`	`Hobinheim`	`that's low`
`16:34.27`	`b1f30_w0rk`	`:-)`
`16:34.28`	`Apollozeus`	`haha`
`16:34.37`	`b1f30_w0rk`	`it's a joke`
`16:34.38`	`Hobinheim`	`first of all, 20 year old americans are too proud to go back to school`
`16:34.40`	`b1f30_w0rk`	`don't get all offended`
`16:34.42`	`Hobinheim`	`they'd be in mcdonalds by then`
`16:34.44`	`b1f30_w0rk`	`lol`
`16:34.50`	`Adys`	`mm`
`16:34.52`	`Apollozeus`	`don't diss the burger king`
`16:34.53`	`Apollozeus`	`<_<`
`16:35.06`	`Adys`	`http://adys.stools.net/uspresident.jpg`
`16:35.10`	`b1f30_w0rk`	`hey, i'm a blue blooded ass-kicking, beer swilling american too - i just love the stereotype jokes you guys use`
`16:36.40`	`Hobinheim`	`nice`
`16:38.09`	`Adys`	`On stormrage we got a huge amount of greeks and swedish`
`16:38.12`	`Adys`	`many dutch peeps too`
`16:39.21`	`Adys`	`its quite funny seeing people migrating to another server saying stormrage sucks, is the worst server ever, full of kids etc`
`16:39.34`	`Adys`	`and migrating back after 1-2 months`
`16:40.04`	`Adys`	`People dont realize that the game is full of this kind of players`
`16:40.07`	`Adys`	`you cant avoid them`
`16:40.22`	`Adys`	`and for all the servs I played on I find stormrage a very good and active community`
`16:43.00`	`Hobinheim`	`oh yeah anyway i wanted to get to a point`
`16:43.08`	`Hobinheim`	`the forums i read are you have to pay to get in and its highly moderated`
`16:43.13`	`Hobinheim`	`i wish there was a guild like that`
`16:43.19`	`Hobinheim`	`like an elite guild heavily moderated`
`16:43.49`	`Adys`	`<Shut up I'm High Warlord>`
`16:44.01`	`Adys`	`<Naga Naga Oh Naga>`
`16:44.19`	`Hobinheim`	`sometimes i wish i could have my own guild... and then i remembered i don'twant to baby sit people over the internet`
`16:45.28`	`Adys`	`<atleastwegotthestables>`
`16:46.22`	`Hobinheim`	`<getreliefhutnoobs>`
`16:46.29`	`Hobinheim`	`hey anyone play alliance`
`16:46.36`	`Adys`	`Yes =P`
`16:46.38`	`Hobinheim`	`what do your spirit guides look like`
`16:46.44`	`Hobinheim`	`horde is taurens`
`16:46.45`	`Adys`	`Humans`
`16:46.47`	`Hobinheim`	`bah`
`16:46.48`	`Adys`	`you can see them btw`
`16:46.50`	`Hobinheim`	`idiot humans....`
`16:46.57`	`Hobinheim`	`huh?`
`16:46.58`	`Adys`	`just run to a alliance gy`
`16:47.03`	`Adys`	`you cant get ressed`
`16:47.06`	`Adys`	`but you can see them =P`
`16:47.10`	`Hobinheim`	`hahah`
`16:47.15`	`Kirkburn`	`Really? I never knew that!`
`16:47.21`	`Hobinheim`	`you mean inside of a bgs?`
`16:47.22`	`Hobinheim`	`or anywhere?`
`16:47.22`	`Adys`	`Yeah`
`16:47.25`	`Hobinheim`	`oh ok`
`16:47.27`	`Adys`	`well anywhere aswell`
`16:47.44`	`Hobinheim`	`well.... you don't get auto rezzed outside of abgs`
`16:47.46`	`Hobinheim`	`you just see an angel`
`16:52.10`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I've seen a nelf too!`
`16:52.13`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`as a spirit hgealer!`
`16:52.22`	`Adys`	`hrmm?`
`16:52.26`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I was surprised to see that!`
`16:52.31`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`can't rememebr where though >.>`
`16:52.55`	`Apollozeus`	`lol`
`16:52.57`	`Apollozeus`	`[[Chuck Norris]]`
`16:53.04`	`Apollozeus`	`he is now a "common being"`
`16:53.33`	`Adys`	`[[common]] beings ftw`
`16:54.30`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`OMG!`
`16:54.35`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Chuck Norris is common!`
`16:54.38`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`WOOHOO!!`
`16:54.40`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`party!`
`16:54.57`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Pffft... Chuck Norris will never be as good as High Overlord Saurfang`
`16:55.11`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I mean, you must be pretty imba if you can be at 2 places at the same time!`
`16:55.29`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`waging war against the silithid and still being in Orgrimmar to take over Nef his head`
`16:55.33`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`how imba is that?`
`16:56.09`	`Adys`	`He's got a warlock pet to summon him`
`16:56.21`	`Adys`	`Like warlocks got warrior pets in Demono... nvm`
`16:56.34`	`Apollozeus`	`cya guys`
`16:56.36`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`XD`
`16:56.37`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`cyaz`
`16:57.21`	`Adys`	`lol im in AB right now. Someone just summoned a felguard, and it played the succy voice`
`16:57.46`	`Adys`	`Feels strange having a big thing like that telling you "Dont touch what you cant afford"`
`16:58.34`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`myeah`
`16:58.42`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`it has been fixed for ages in BC beta >.>`
`16:58.51`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and they're only implementing it in a few patches..`
`16:59.04`	`Adys`	`not sure what the point is`
`16:59.10`	`Adys`	`WTB fixed NW shoulders ffs :/`
`16:59.41`	`Hobinheim`	`are you making fun of locks`
`16:59.44`	`Hobinheim`	`i'll smite you`
`17:00.04`	`Adys`	`lemme find you something`
`17:00.07`	`Hobinheim`	`man i'm so tired of warcraft...`
`17:00.12`	`Hobinheim`	`grindy mc grinderson...`
`17:00.13`	`Adys`	`Im thinking of putting it on wowwiki too, its really a fun one`
`17:00.14`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`no you aren't`
`17:00.21`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Hobinheim quit lying to yourself`
`17:00.22`	`Adys`	`http://adys.stools.net/felguard.txt`
`17:00.26`	`Hobinheim`	`the only thing that's sort of keeping my mind on warcraft is mind contorl`
`17:00.40`	`Hobinheim`	`i saw someone mind tank in RFK like a champ and i've been in love eve rsince`
`17:00.56`	`Hobinheim`	`oh and that one time we used the dwarf healers in UBRS i think`
`17:01.04`	`Hobinheim`	`i dunno. my end game knowledge is blank`
`17:01.17`	`Adys`	`No time?`
`17:01.20`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`poor you`
`17:01.27`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Hobinheim reroll Draenei Shaman`
`17:01.37`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I can offer you a cool endgame experience if you do it on Shattered Hand`
`17:01.42`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`HealerClass only guild`
`17:01.54`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`not just conquering endgame with the normal deal`
`17:01.55`	`Hobinheim`	`nice`
`17:01.57`	`Hobinheim`	`i think you should post it`
`17:02.01`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but requiring every player to be a true hybrid`
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`17:02.16`	`Kirkburn`	`Pew pew, kill that Kirkburn!`
`17:02.21`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`k`
`17:02.28`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`./kill Kirkburn`
`17:02.35`	`Kirkburn`	`heh`
`17:02.47`	`Hobinheim`	`i'd love to do gimmick runs`
`17:02.55`	`Hobinheim`	`i got into this "argument" with someone in the barrens`
`17:03.12`	`Hobinheim`	`i said that with enough tactical preperation, all five mans should be accomplishable by any group of five`
`17:03.21`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`true`
`17:03.22`	`Hobinheim`	`even without a tank and a healer`
`17:03.25`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`yup`
`17:03.34`	`Hobinheim`	`like the ragnaros speed kill was amazing`
`17:03.36`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`just need to have the right gear`
`17:03.39`	`Hobinheim`	`i wish people did more stuff like that`
`17:03.42`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`well`
`17:03.45`	`Hobinheim`	`or the moonkin warsong, or the infernals warsong`
`17:03.48`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`I remember a bunch of hunters once`
`17:03.55`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`doing 5 mans`
`17:03.58`	`Hobinheim`	`there was a hunters guild i've read. and a druid guild`
`17:03.59`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`they kited a boss`
`17:04.04`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and only kited it`
`17:04.05`	`Hobinheim`	`and a 10 priest run of something...`
`17:04.07`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and kited it`
`17:04.14`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`so much fucking fun XD`
`17:04.23`	`Hobinheim`	`i dunno some bosses it boggles my mind how it's possible w/o a tank`
`17:04.29`	`Hobinheim`	`like that green dragon in sunken temple`
`17:04.33`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`hmmm`
`17:04.34`	`Hobinheim`	`the spirit/ghost one`
`17:04.37`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`not that hard`
`17:04.39`	`Hobinheim`	`who wipes aggro and needs a two tank rotation`
`17:04.49`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`even easier`
`17:05.00`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`kite`
`17:05.02`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`untill wipe`
`17:05.04`	`Hobinheim`	`if you had five mages, what would you do? just keep arguing for aggro and hope he never taps anyone?`
`17:05.08`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and let someone else start kiting`
`17:05.14`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`yup ^^`
`17:05.24`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`not easy though`
`17:05.27`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but it would work`
`17:05.28`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`easy`
`17:05.35`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`bandage when gotten damage`
`17:06.05`	`Hobinheim`	`stuff like this needs smart people`
`17:06.15`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nah`
`17:06.19`	`Hobinheim`	`and unfortunately balanced groups tend to be more forgiving for dumb people`
`17:06.21`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`it needs people with the guts to get offtrack`
`17:06.29`	`Hobinheim`	`i got guts but i'm tired`
`17:06.30`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`atm`
`17:06.33`	`Hobinheim`	`of poopsocking...`
`17:06.35`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`many players have shot me`
`17:06.37`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Felguard_Poem`
`17:06.40`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`XD`
`17:06.42`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`lol Adys`
`17:06.50`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nah, but I am not the most loved player`
`17:06.55`	`Hobinheim`	`is it linked off of felguard?`
`17:06.58`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`because I always was thinking differently`
`17:07.06`	`Adys`	`Nah just created it with {{silly}}`
`17:07.24`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Have you ever considered to take down Skeram before Ragnaros?`
`17:07.57`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`That was so much fun`
`17:08.03`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`people actually laughed at the idea`
`17:08.11`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`and I was like "meh screw you"`
`17:08.18`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`we went we saw and we killed Skeram`
`17:08.20`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`AQ40 first boss`
`17:08.25`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`before even killing Raggy`
`17:08.32`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`bosses are easy`
`17:08.38`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`easpecially the ones like Skeram`
`17:08.43`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`that don't require a lot of gear`
`17:08.51`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`everything is scripted`
`17:08.55`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`so everything has a solution`
`17:09.11`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but it's fun to do things in an other way than the scripted solution ^^`
`17:09.40`	`Hobinheim`	`everything must be MIND CONTROLLED`
`17:09.42`	`Hobinheim`	`or ENSLAVED`
`17:09.53`	`Hobinheim`	`hunters don't have like tame beast do they?`
`17:10.01`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`nah`
`17:10.04`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`but they can kite`
`17:10.07`	`Hobinheim`	`they should that'd be hot`
`17:10.53`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`well`
`17:10.54`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`it's hot`
`17:11.03`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`in BWL we always used hunter kiting to get rid of some mobs`
`17:11.04`	`Hobinheim`	`control machine...`
`17:12.03`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`god, I remember using enslave on certain mobs in BC beta to make instances easier`
`17:12.58`	`Hobinheim`	`lunchtimepeace`
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`17:21.55`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Fortesque`
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`19:16.24`	`[Zeal]`	`guess i shoudl relink this as most people were offline before.. http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Proposals/Format`
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`19:29.53`	`Kirkburn`	`wow`
`19:29.58`	`Adys`	`hm?`
`19:30.09`	`Kirkburn`	`[Zeal], one problem we have is that we can't create 'proper' namespaces`
`19:30.53`	`Kirkburn`	`Not easily anyway`
`19:31.01`	`Kirkburn`	`Rustak again :/`
`19:31.47`	`Kirkburn`	`I do like the idea though`
`19:31.59`	`Kirkburn`	`Something Mikk would be very interested in when he reappears`
`19:37.59`	`[Zeal]`	`i know, psuedo namespaces will work`
`19:38.14`	`[Zeal]`	`for the time being that is.`
`19:39.03`	`[Zeal]`	`the only imapct really is for templates and the use of {{PAGENAME}} and {{NAMESPACE}}`
`19:42.27`	`Kirkburn`	`Hmm, true`
`19:42.39`	`Kirkburn`	`Tekkub: http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Tekkub#Secure_code`
`19:42.46`	`[Zeal]`	`has the wonderful side effect of cleaning up and sorting the categories :P`
`19:43.06`	`[Zeal]`	`good example i just saw, is something like [[Category:Demons]]`
`19:44.02`	`[Zeal]`	`really should be [[Category:NPCs (Demons)]] removes conflicts with the default namespace and shows a logical heirachy for people to follow.`
`19:47.40`	`[Zeal]`	`hm.. secure enviroment code would make more sense. it's more secure templates and protected functions are required in the secure enviroment, the combination of these are refered to as secure code.`
`19:48.23`	`[Zeal]`	`i'm pulling that out of my ass though. i don't do enough addon development to know the details :p`
`19:49.08`	`[Zeal]`	`thing is all of wow is now a secure enviroment, in-combat more so.`
`19:49.18`	`Kirkburn`	`Whatever the dev community uses should be used :P (i'm on #wowace and #wowi-lounge, the two biggest dev channels, and Tekkub is the WoWAce wikimaster)`
`19:50.10`	`Kirkburn`	`In fact, why don't I just see what they say :P`
`19:50.56`	`[Zeal]`	`lol`
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`20:08.15`	`[Zeal]`	`O_o`
`20:17.31`	`Kirkburn`	`?`
`20:17.42`	`Kirkburn`	`Why O_o`
`20:17.59`	`Adys`	`... oO`
`20:18.13`	`Adys`	`thats indeed quite impressive`
`20:18.55`	`Kirkburn`	`What is!?`
`20:19.05`	`Hobinheim`	`i'm lost`
`20:19.07`	`Adys`	`That! I mean.. wow`
`20:19.19`	`Adys`	`Ive never seen something like that before`
`20:19.23`	`Adys`	`didn't know anything about it!!`
`20:19.36`	`Hobinheim`	`the passion, the craftsmanship... it's just... paramount`
`20:19.49`	`Hobinheim`	`i'm glad i caught it in time`
`20:20.03`	`Adys`	`I'm astonished`
`20:20.20`	`[Zeal]`	`huh? what?`
`20:20.25`	`Hobinheim`	`hey is anyone on the cat team`
`20:20.26`	`Adys`	`lol`
`20:20.28`	`Hobinheim`	`i have a gripe`
`20:20.31`	`Adys`	`and yes hob`
`20:20.39`	`[Zeal]`	`and "O_o" was for IceGuest_7 and his clones`
`20:20.48`	`Adys`	`oh`
`20:20.48`	`Hobinheim`	`in my perfect dorky world, categories would be more like taxonomies...`
`20:21.00`	`Hobinheim`	`but some cats are more used for "articles about ______"`
`20:21.04`	`Hobinheim`	`know what i mean?`
`20:21.24`	`Hobinheim`	`like an article /about/ first aid recipes shouldn't be under the category, first aid recipes`
`20:21.34`	`Adys`	`imo it should`
`20:21.44`	`Adys`	`as in [[Category:First Aid Recipes\| ]]`
`20:21.49`	`Hobinheim`	`well, it wouldn't be under the taxonomical heading of first aid recipes`
`20:21.57`	`[Zeal]`	`i agree with hobinheim`
`20:22.08`	`Hobinheim`	`i.e. the article in and of itself does not describe an object that is a recipe`
`20:22.08`	`Adys`	`I understand your point but thats what the \| ]] is for imo`
`20:22.13`	`Hobinheim`	`i know`
`20:22.17`	`Hobinheim`	`just saying i guess`
`20:22.55`	`Hobinheim`	`i think.... if the wiki categories system could be more... visual... a formal taxonomy would be awesome`
`20:23.01`	`Hobinheim`	`and i'm not against topical categories either`
`20:23.18`	`Hobinheim`	`like [[Category:First Aid]] since first aid is a concept not a taxonomical ... bucket`
`20:23.38`	`Kirkburn`	`Waitasec ... Apollozeus fighting a raptor ... with a wand? You'll die, mate! ;)`
`20:23.50`	`Hobinheim`	`but a system like that would get blurry with plural topics, like Humans or Night elves`
`20:24.00`	`Hobinheim`	`night elves the topic or night elves the plural tax bucket?`
`20:24.02`	`Adys`	`[Harry Potter's Wand]`
`20:24.10`	`Adys`	`Chance on Hit: transforms the target into a bunny`
`20:24.13`	`Hobinheim`	`it's probably trash quality anyway`
`20:24.27`	`Hobinheim`	`"Who's Harry and why doesn't this work?"`
`20:24.38`	`Adys`	`lol`
`20:24.40`	`[Zeal]`	`well i half agree. in my idea of the wiki, that topic wouldn't even exist.would be Profession:First Aid, with [[Category:Proffessions]] [[Category:Proffessions (Secondary)]], and any further articles under [[Category:Proffession:First Aid]]`
`20:25.03`	`Apollozeus`	`Kirkburn`
`20:25.07`	`Apollozeus`	`thanks for the protection`
`20:25.08`	`Kirkburn`	`Apollozeus`
`20:25.24`	`Hobinheim`	`sometimes i think taxonomy geeks can get carried away...`
`20:25.28`	`Kirkburn`	`np, I'm doing it for all popular contributors`
`20:25.42`	`Hobinheim`	`the thing i like about wikis is that it can be "good enough" for now, with room for improvement`
`20:25.58`	`Hobinheim`	`like before me and mikaka, there were no sexy nav bars. and look now? i think that speaks for itself`
`20:26.01`	`[Zeal]`	`then a link to something like [[:Cateogry:Proffession:First Aid/Items (Receipe)]]`
`20:26.15`	`Adys`	`http://www.worldofwar.net/comics/heroesofwow/chapter6/index.php`
`20:26.21`	`Adys`	`was searching it`
`20:27.11`	`Apollozeus`	`zeal, as long as it's spelled correctly... :P`
`20:27.21`	`[Zeal]`	`indeed, sorry :P`
`20:27.36`	`[Zeal]`	`extra f always slips in`
`20:27.47`	`Hobinheim`	`[[World of Warcraft:Characters:Professions:Secondary Professions:Crafting Professions:Items:Learnable Items:Recipes:Healing Items:Bandages\| Intro to Triage]]`
`20:28.03`	`[Zeal]`	`wtf? :S`
`20:28.41`	`Kirkburn`	`lol`
`20:28.48`	`Apollozeus`	`use subcategories`
`20:29.11`	`Apollozeus`	`instead of blah:blah:blah:blah`
`20:29.46`	`[Zeal]`	`in that you can't even tell what the article is meant to be :s`
`20:30.03`	`[Zeal]`	`what is it? guide to first aid? quest?`
`20:30.48`	`Adys`	`all the cat:subcat:subsubcat thing is ridiculous IMO`
`20:30.54`	`Adys`	`use subcategories indeed`
`20:31.07`	`Apollozeus`	`[Zeal], of course you can tell`
`20:31.09`	`Apollozeus`	`by reading the article`
`20:31.27`	`Apollozeus`	`and if it's a guide, the title of the article should tell so`
`20:31.43`	`[Zeal]`	`erm? what?`
`20:31.48`	`Hobinheim`	`it's description of loethab's powers, DUH`
`20:31.53`	`[Zeal]`	`intro to triage = what?`
`20:31.57`	`Kirkburn`	`[Zeal], you deserve your name btw =) It's great to have passionate people`
`20:32.03`	`[Zeal]`	`lol ty`
`20:32.06`	`Adys`	`Hehe indeed`
`20:32.17`	`Hobinheim`	`oh you're the sandbox guy`
`20:32.21`	`Adys`	`LOL`
`20:32.30`	`Adys`	`thats awesome`
`20:32.31`	`[Zeal]`	`sandbox guy? O_o`
`20:32.39`	`Kirkburn`	`heh`
`20:32.41`	`Hobinheim`	`i'm not sure if it was you but someone was editing and showed me that you can do inclusion of any page, i though it was just the Template namespace`
`20:32.45`	`Adys`	`Barboy vs Sandbox-guy round 1`
`20:33.02`	`[Zeal]`	`oh, hm.. i told someone, didn't realize it was you :P`
`20:33.19`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah, you can include anything`
`20:33.46`	`Kirkburn`	`What would happen if you had an article named "Bob" and a "Template:Bob"?`
`20:33.53`	`Hobinheim`	`uhhh`
`20:33.54`	`Hobinheim`	`wow`
`20:33.54`	`Kirkburn`	`What would {{bob}} produce??!`
`20:34.03`	`Adys`	`Try it =P`
`20:34.07`	`Apollozeus`	`test it out`
`20:34.07`	`Apollozeus`	`;p`
`20:34.16`	`Apollozeus`	`my guess is that it takes the template`
`20:34.18`	`Adys`	`I think it would prio template: tho`
`20:34.18`	`Kirkburn`	`k`
`20:34.32`	`Kirkburn`	`Hmm, so do I`
`20:34.37`	`Apollozeus`	`3 to 0`
`20:34.38`	`Hobinheim`	`ugh can we fix the www problem`
`20:34.39`	`Apollozeus`	`>_>`
`20:34.43`	`Kirkburn`	`Bah, take too long, I'll take your word for it`
`20:34.44`	`Hobinheim`	`what webserver are we using that it does that`
`20:34.58`	`Kirkburn`	`Something Rustak messed up`
`20:35.09`	`Kirkburn`	`He should know about it, he's had enough emails`
`20:35.12`	`[Zeal]`	`Template:bob (Also Template:Bob)`
`20:35.16`	`Hobinheim`	`tek's got some choice words for rustak`
`20:35.22`	`Hobinheim`	`like it, and, uh, the`
`20:35.26`	`Kirkburn`	`hehe`
`20:35.44`	`Apollozeus`	`<@Kirkburn> He should know about it, he's had enough emails <-- does he read them D:`
`20:35.53`	`Kirkburn`	`um`
`20:36.00`	`Kirkburn`	`If he does, we don't know about it ...`
`20:36.01`	`Adys`	`[[Rustak]] tells that he does read them`
`20:36.04`	`Hobinheim`	`autodelete autodelete`
`20:36.15`	`Adys`	`Now Fandyllic reverted him saying he does read them, so I wonder =p`
`20:36.55`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User%3ARustak&diff=73323&oldid=64644`
`20:37.15`	`Kirkburn`	`lol`
`20:37.33`	`Apollozeus`	`something tells me Rustak should be replace`
`20:37.34`	`Apollozeus`	`d`
`20:37.35`	`Apollozeus`	`<_<`
`20:37.50`	`Kirkburn`	`We'd have no host then`
`20:38.07`	`Kirkburn`	`And we'd actually have to PAY our bills! >.<`
`20:38.15`	`Hobinheim`	`so no one besides rusty has server access?`
`20:38.22`	`Hobinheim`	`like we're only admins at the wiki level?`
`20:38.23`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah`
`20:38.40`	`Apollozeus`	`I know, I know.. but him not being around gets annoying :s`
`20:38.47`	`Kirkburn`	`Not even Fandy - he just has the uber admin powers, no server stuff`
`20:38.53`	`Adys`	`Very honestly he needs to give at least Fandyllic the details`
`20:39.04`	`Adys`	`I don't get what sso hard about it.`
`20:39.08`	`Kirkburn`	`No idea`
`20:39.36`	`Hobinheim`	`the php and my sql could be updated`
`20:39.45`	`Adys`	`The wiki software too`
`20:39.47`	`Hobinheim`	`and you know what would be hot is if he installed the wikpedia refs module`
`20:39.56`	`Hobinheim`	`sorry i didn't mean the mysql i meant the wiki, yes`
`20:40.04`	`Hobinheim`	`i made some ghetto refs templates`
`20:40.09`	`Hobinheim`	`but the syntax isn't as nice as wikipedia's`
`20:40.20`	`Hobinheim`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Hobinheim/footnotes`
`20:41.39`	`[Zeal]`	`yeah, i tried doing some refrences before, but due to my article structure, it wasn't really needed so didn't bother.`
`20:42.12`	`[Zeal]`	`everything that had a reference was in a list of it's own already. :p`
`20:43.07`	`Adys`	`Well..`
`20:43.14`	`Adys`	`IF.. we had server access and..`
`20:43.25`	`Adys`	`IF.. we had some volunteers to code in php a bit`
`20:43.35`	`Adys`	`We could get MUCH more easily some stuff done`
`20:43.38`	`Hobinheim`	`if we had server access, we wouldn't have to be resorting to the ghetto techniques that we're using now`
`20:43.47`	`Adys`	`in short yeah =P`
`20:43.47`	`Hobinheim`	`i'm kinda surprised wikis even support this much`
`20:44.02`	`Hobinheim`	`tek has a few choice words about css, templates, and tables`
`20:44.05`	`Adys`	`Im amazed by that hob :)`
`20:44.10`	`Hobinheim`	`namely is, what, huh, and yeah`
`20:45.41`	`Adys`	`it's actually extremely rejoicing when you get something to work only with some poor wikicode`
`20:45.50`	`Kirkburn`	`You want the software upgraded again!?`
`20:45.56`	`Kirkburn`	`We only just got 1.7 done`
`20:46.12`	`Kirkburn`	`1.8 only came out recently`
`20:46.15`	`Hobinheim`	`we're up to 1.8.2, at the least, sir`
`20:46.36`	`Adys`	`I just want the new icon...`
`20:47.20`	`Hobinheim`	`i want a favicon`
`20:47.20`	`[Zeal]`	`take it only rustak can upgrade?`
`20:47.26`	`Adys`	`heh`
`20:47.28`	`Hobinheim`	`wowwiki is sitting in my bookmarks manager looking ugly`
`20:47.37`	`Hobinheim`	`we all lack the true power of the narru`
`20:47.46`	`Adys`	`aint there..`
`20:47.48`	`Hobinheim`	`which includes the ability to spell the naaru`
`20:47.55`	`Adys`	`Some kind of addon for firefox`
`20:48.08`	`Adys`	`that lets you choose a personnal favicon for a website`
`20:48.53`	`[Zeal]`	`one thing about doing soem ghetto php coding that disturbs me, is security>demand. lots of people want things, that really shouldn't be possible because of security. for example, url() and the <style>/<script> tags.`
`20:49.15`	`Hobinheim`	`i'm lost what do you mean`
`20:49.25`	`Adys`	`Well sod this zeal we dont need this`
`20:49.33`	`[Zeal]`	`i'm even surprised that <imagelink> is allowed.`
`20:49.51`	`Hobinheim`	`no, imagelink is genius`
`20:49.55`	`Hobinheim`	`it's a clean way to include images`
`20:50.07`	`Adys`	`We just need some php coders to make up some addons to let us work more smoothly on the wiki`
`20:50.10`	`Hobinheim`	`although i don't know who wrote it and its hard to find a copy that works`
`20:50.23`	`Hobinheim`	`lol you mean like hard core wowwiki customization`
`20:50.23`	`[Zeal]`	`but those images could be viral or contain imagery of sex/violence etc.`
`20:50.33`	`Hobinheim`	`wow needs to be sexed up`
`20:50.36`	`Hobinheim`	`jk`
`20:50.37`	`Adys`	`Hob: Yes, why not?`
`20:50.45`	`Adys`	`and that was to the precedent comment btw:p`
`20:50.58`	`Hobinheim`	`oh i dunno it never crossed my mind about how deep wiki plugins can get other than to mimick wikipedia`
`20:51.13`	`Adys`	`Umm`
`20:51.15`	`Hobinheim`	`why? because sex sells`
`20:51.27`	`Hobinheim`	`there are so many niche markets`
`20:51.34`	`Hobinheim`	`like people who live in their parents' basement`
`20:51.36`	`Hobinheim`	`not to mention furries`
`20:51.50`	`Apollozeus`	`<[Zeal]> but those images could be viral or contain imagery of sex/violence etc. <-- we can also upload sex images to the wikilink`
`20:51.57`	`Apollozeus`	`err`
`20:51.59`	`Apollozeus`	`wowwiki*`
`20:52.00`	`Hobinheim`	`there should be in-game advertisements like [Cheeto's] or actionable stripper poles`
`20:52.07`	`Apollozeus`	`no need to forbid it because of that`
`20:52.15`	`Adys`	`And yes apollo`
`20:52.19`	`[Zeal]`	`i wish [edit] wasn't linking to numbers of headers, but the header's name. that way you can make custom edit links and stuff. {{EDIT}} would be handy : /`
`20:52.40`	`Hobinheim`	`?`
`20:52.43`	`[Zeal]`	`use of templates + headers really messed up edit links, making them useless.`
`20:52.49`	`[Zeal]`	`*messed`
`20:53.00`	`Hobinheim`	`lol i'm still lost i'm not sure what you're talking about`
`20:53.13`	`Adys`	`__NOEDITTAB__ ftw on this kind of pages`
`20:53.17`	`Hobinheim`	`and i've accomplished zero real world work this week... just sitting here in the office looking at wowwiki`
`20:54.24`	`[Zeal]`	`yeah, but adys, to get pages styled, strucuted and looking good (which wiki's completely fail at), you have to do it. so that means edit links disabled on all pages.`
`20:54.55`	`Hobinheim`	`ok i still don't know what you mean`
`20:55.05`	`Hobinheim`	`yer talkin' crazy talk!`
`20:55.28`	`Adys`	`Zeal: why not?`
`20:55.37`	`[Zeal]`	`when you do an edit it does title=<article>&action=edit&section=<headernumber in toc order>. onyl issue is, while the toc counts headers in templates, edit links don't, because it's not on that page.`
`20:55.41`	`Adys`	`__NOTOC__ should be on all Item pages for example`
`20:56.31`	`[Zeal]`	`that i don't agree with :P`
`20:56.56`	`Adys`	`Well its true`
`20:56.58`	`[Zeal]`	`toc needs to changed from a table tbh.. that pisses me off to no end :P`
`20:57.06`	`[Zeal]`	`nope with correct use of the toc ;)`
`20:57.11`	`[Zeal]`	`*not`
`20:57.26`	`Adys`	`Item pages should be more or less small and identical`
`20:57.28`	`Hobinheim`	`i'm barely barely following`
`20:57.32`	`Hobinheim`	`i think autotoc is fine`
`20:57.38`	`Hobinheim`	`there's no need for notoc`
`20:57.45`	`Hobinheim`	`cuz if there is, that means there's too many headings on the page`
`20:57.53`	`Adys`	`not true`
`20:58.00`	`Hobinheim`	`yuh huh`
`20:58.01`	`Adys`	`Hold on a sec`
`20:58.04`	`[Zeal]`	`if they are small and indentical, then the toc will be small an identical. so makes no difference.`
`20:58.11`	`Hobinheim`	`lolz busted`
`20:58.18`	`[Zeal]`	`*and`
`20:58.30`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Idol_of_Night`
`20:58.48`	`Adys`	`try this without notoc`
`20:59.32`	`[Zeal]`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Realm:Broxigar (EU) is my idea of the structure for almost all article types.`
`20:59.56`	`Hobinheim`	`lol missing an icon`
`21:00.00`	`[Zeal]`	`yea,h that's because the page is poorly structured and is using styling that isn't really needed.`
`21:00.05`	`Adys`	`yea shoo`
`21:00.21`	`Hobinheim`	`yeah lemme stab at it one sec`
`21:00.24`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Idol_of_Night&oldid=384148`
`21:00.28`	`Adys`	`This is fugly sorry`
`21:00.48`	`[Zeal]`	`ok, jsut for you, i'm gunna make an item page up next ;)`
`21:02.43`	`Hobinheim`	`there you go, all sexed up`
`21:02.47`	`Hobinheim`	`autotoc and no visible toc`
`21:03.37`	`Hobinheim`	`zeal, that page is blank`
`21:03.54`	`Hobinheim`	`nm, spaces`
`21:05.21`	`[Zeal]`	`hobinheim, it contains all information for a server without duplicating anything that would, and should, be contained elsewhere. image the sections filled out more as if the server was older.`
`21:05.47`	`[Zeal]`	`*imagine`
`21:06.07`	`Kirkburn`	`I find it amazing we're still getting new pages`
`21:06.17`	`Kirkburn`	`Varg still hasn't finished all the NPCs :P`
`21:06.18`	`Adys`	`[[Felguard Poem]] ftw!`
`21:06.36`	`Hobinheim`	`there will always be more articles`
`21:06.46`	`Hobinheim`	`sometimes i wonder if even blizzard has this much information on the content they produce`
`21:06.57`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Newpages hehe`
`21:07.17`	`Hobinheim`	`i stare at RC until my eyes bleed`
`21:07.31`	`Hobinheim`	`i tried that on wikipedia and then i remembered i don't care about 99% of what people write there`
`21:08.14`	`Kirkburn`	`New pages is reducing in quantity at least now`
`21:08.21`	`Hobinheim`	`really`
`21:08.28`	`Adys`	`Well yeah`
`21:08.28`	`Hobinheim`	`we'll see a spike when the bc hits live`
`21:08.57`	`Hobinheim`	`i think i had a dream/nightmare where we indexed every random property item`
`21:09.13`	`Adys`	`:)`
`21:09.15`	`Hobinheim`	`Commander's Bindings of the Eagle/Whale/Squirrel/Gnoll/Murloc`
`21:09.25`	`Adys`	`Nah`
`21:09.30`	`Hobinheim`	`each article a unique and different snowflake`
`21:09.32`	`Adys`	`random property items are Commander Bindings`
`21:09.47`	`Hobinheim`	`i once got the same item in an instnace`
`21:09.47`	`Adys`	`and then we should have some kind of..`
`21:09.53`	`Adys`	`boilerplate for the random prop`
`21:09.53`	`Hobinheim`	`one of the whale, and anohter w/o anything`
`21:11.41`	`Hobinheim`	`ugh.... so much work`
`21:12.06`	`Hobinheim`	`i wish the articles i worked on in wikipedia were was successful as the work i do here`
`21:12.12`	`Hobinheim`	`but there are too many idiots on wp`
`21:13.23`	`Adys`	`if we could code something..`
`21:13.30`	`Hobinheim`	`that does?`
`21:13.41`	`Adys`	`that assigns variables to a page`
`21:13.47`	`Adys`	`I got plenty of ideas on it`
`21:14.10`	`Hobinheim`	`what do you mean`
`21:14.16`	`Adys`	`Instead of having, for example, on spell template pages`
`21:14.40`	`Adys`	`[[Template:Spell:13530]]`
`21:14.47`	`Adys`	`<noinclude>==Corruption==`
`21:14.47`	`Adys`	`[[Image:Spell_Shadow_AbominationExplosion.png\|left]]`
`21:14.47`	`Adys`	`</noinclude>Corrupts the target, causing 45 damage over 3 sec.<noinclude>`
`21:14.54`	`Adys`	`if instead of that we could have`
`21:14.59`	`Adys`	`[[Spell:13530]]`
`21:15.05`	`Adys`	`Name=Corruption`
`21:15.13`	`Adys`	`Icon=Spell_Shadow_AbominationExplosion`
`21:15.25`	`Adys`	`Desc=Corrupts the target, causing 45 damage over 3 sec.`
`21:15.26`	`Hobinheim`	`uhh like a template?`
`21:15.31`	`Adys`	`Well yeah.`
`21:15.50`	`Hobinheim`	`yeah i guess we should have done that`
`21:15.58`	`Hobinheim`	`chekc out the article for moonfire`
`21:16.53`	`Adys`	`mmm`
`21:17.13`	`Adys`	`enhancing talents should be next to ranks, imo`
`21:17.27`	`Hobinheim`	`wow it's like tek is talking`
`21:17.31`	`Hobinheim`	`he said the exact same thing`
`21:17.35`	`Hobinheim`	`what's wrong with you people`
`21:17.57`	`Hobinheim`	`btw i disagree`
`21:18.01`	`Adys`	`Shoo.`
`21:20.16`	`Tekkub`	`I don't like long pages :P`
`21:20.19`	`Kirkburn`	`Hobinheim, you work on wikipedia too?`
`21:20.29`	`Tekkub`	`long, thin pages`
`21:20.41`	`Adys`	`.w Hobinheim if you say yes he will revoke Admin rights, btw`
`21:20.43`	`Adys`	`mt`
`21:20.46`	`Apollozeus`	`D:`
`21:20.50`	`Kirkburn`	`haha`
`21:20.52`	`Apollozeus`	`I work on Wikipedia`
`21:21.10`	`Kirkburn`	`You ... you've seen my user page, right?`
`21:21.36`	`Apollozeus`	`yep`
`21:21.37`	`Kirkburn`	`Nah, wikipedia is cool, but frustrating`
`21:21.41`	`Apollozeus`	`I agree`
`21:21.50`	`Hobinheim`	`lol it's just a plug for wowwiki`
`21:21.51`	`Apollozeus`	`I rarely visit anymore`
`21:21.52`	`Apollozeus`	`<_<`
`21:22.07`	`Adys`	`Well..`
`21:22.12`	`Adys`	`at least they got a cool icon.`
`21:22.14`	`Apollozeus`	`"Hey, I don't agree with you 5000 words rant here"`
`21:22.16`	`Hobinheim`	`i copied my new user template from wowwiki to wp, inspired by gryph's two col layout`
`21:22.23`	`Apollozeus`	`and then you're supposed to read all of it`
`21:22.25`	`Apollozeus`	`X_X`
`21:22.51`	`Kirkburn`	`Neither of you are under your wowwiki names :/`
`21:22.55`	`Hobinheim`	`yeah there's this asshole on the avatar articles... i dunno what his problem is. it's like he owns the article or something and disagrees with anyone in his path`
`21:22.59`	`Hobinheim`	`no, i'm not`
`21:23.07`	`Apollozeus`	`I'm SoothingR on Wikipedia`
`21:23.12`	`Hobinheim`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Htmlism`
`21:23.20`	`Apollozeus`	`I'm admin ther Hobinheim`
`21:23.25`	`Hobinheim`	`are you really`
`21:23.31`	`Apollozeus`	`if there are any problems, feel free to redirect them to me`
`21:23.35`	`Apollozeus`	`there*`
`21:23.41`	`Hobinheim`	`wow he is lol`
`21:23.47`	`Apollozeus`	`it's not a big deal lol`
`21:23.48`	`Hobinheim`	`CRAZY!`
`21:23.51`	`Hobinheim`	`yo promote me`
`21:23.56`	`Apollozeus`	`I can't`
`21:23.57`	`Hobinheim`	`is being a wp admin difficult`
`21:24.04`	`Apollozeus`	`you have to be arbitrator to do that ;p`
`21:24.10`	`Apollozeus`	`no, it's not`
`21:24.17`	`Apollozeus`	`in fact, you can sit on your ass doing nothing`
`21:24.25`	`Apollozeus`	`and noone would be bothered to revoke your powers`
`21:24.26`	`Kirkburn`	`Did you both defend the WoWWiki article? =)`
`21:24.33`	`Adys`	`I did!`
`21:24.48`	`Apollozeus`	`wowwiki article`
`21:24.51`	`Apollozeus`	`uh-oh`
`21:24.52`	`Hobinheim`	`ugh metal /and/ dutch? the board has really let themselves go these days`
`21:24.53`	`Apollozeus`	`*checks`
`21:24.54`	`Apollozeus`	`*`
`21:25.01`	`Apollozeus`	`die!`
`21:25.01`	`Adys`	`wowwiki third deletion nomination`
`21:25.05`	`Adys`	`too late now btw =P`
`21:25.18`	`Hobinheim`	`wowwiki doesn't need it's own article`
`21:25.30`	`Kirkburn`	`heehee`
`21:25.30`	`Adys`	`It needs its own icon tbh`
`21:25.38`	`Adys`	`eh wait..`
`21:25.49`	`Kirkburn`	`purl, slap Adys`
`21:25.49`	`Adys`	`haha`
`21:25.55`	`Kirkburn`	`Noo`
`21:26.00`	`Kirkburn`	`infobot, slap Adys`
`21:26.02`	`infobot`	`ACTION slaps Adys, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!`
`21:26.23`	`Kirkburn`	`Poor purl, she's already in too many channels to join this one`
`21:26.36`	`Hobinheim`	`infobot, drink whiskey`
`21:26.37`	`infobot`	`drinks whiskey in one swig, turns blue, green, and ultraviolet, and then vomits whiskey across the room`
`21:26.37`	`Adys`	`Wowwwiki recruiting experienced wiki editors, we got a website and a cool icon`
`21:26.51`	`Adys`	`Infobot, make me some water`
`21:26.52`	`infobot`	make: *** No rule to make target `me some water'. Stop.
`21:26.55`	`Hobinheim`	`must have ~300 unbuffed idiot resist`
`21:27.00`	`Kirkburn`	`Nah, I know why the article was deleted - I just thought it was for silly reasons`
`21:27.27`	`Hobinheim`	`infobot, dance`
`21:27.28`	`infobot`	`ACTION <("<) <('_')> (>")> Dance Kirby Dance!`
`21:27.32`	`Hobinheim`	`LOL yay`
`21:27.41`	`Hobinheim`	`so easily amused`
`21:27.45`	`Kirkburn`	`~emulate Kirkburn`
`21:27.47`	`infobot`	`I hear he's very fond of kittens. Buy him one.`
`21:28.17`	`Hobinheim`	`~emulate Hobinheim`
`21:28.21`	`Hobinheim`	`=(`
`21:28.22`	`Apollozeus`	`<_<`
`21:28.33`	`Hobinheim`	`infobot, laugh`
`21:28.34`	`infobot`	`ACTION rolls around on the floor laughing`
`21:28.50`	`Apollozeus`	`lol`
`21:29.02`	`Apollozeus`	`the wowwiki logo is still on wikimedia commons`
`21:29.24`	`Adys`	`heh`
`21:29.49`	`Hobinheim`	`the W of that logo should be the favicon`
`21:29.54`	`Hobinheim`	`who made it, it's so nice`
`21:30.03`	`Apollozeus`	`it is`
`21:30.12`	`Apollozeus`	`favicon.. yet another reason to summon rustak`
`21:30.13`	`Apollozeus`	`>_>`
`21:30.53`	`Kirkburn`	`Mikk`
`21:31.27`	`Kirkburn`	`I wonder, does wikipedia have better articles for any parts of Warcraft than us? By better, I don't mean endlessly debated :P`
`21:31.58`	`Hobinheim`	`there's some lore stuff`
`21:31.58`	`Adys`	`mm`
`21:32.12`	`Adys`	`list of pop references`
`21:32.15`	`Adys`	`isnt bad`
`21:32.32`	`Apollozeus`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Burning_Crusade`
`21:32.38`	`Apollozeus`	`their tbc article isn't bad`
`21:32.50`	`Hobinheim`	`for me, it's hard to justify the existence of warcraft lore in the wikipedia`
`21:33.04`	`Hobinheim`	`what impact has warcraft lore had outside of warcraft? none`
`21:33.16`	`Adys`	`it makes people weird`
`21:33.18`	`Hobinheim`	`a lot of it should be deleted i think`
`21:33.28`	`Hobinheim`	`and like... i'm so so about capitalizing races`
`21:33.37`	`Hobinheim`	`i understand in the wowwiki since we talk about warcraft so immersively`
`21:33.42`	`Hobinheim`	`and race != culture`
`21:33.57`	`Hobinheim`	`like there is a race of blood elves and then there is the primary faction of Blood Elves`
`21:34.09`	`Hobinheim`	`wikipedia just caps it all, which i think is wrong`
`21:34.55`	`Apollozeus`	`get a debate rolling there`
`21:34.56`	`Apollozeus`	`>_>`
`21:35.01`	`Apollozeus`	`there is a warcraft portal I believe`
`21:35.16`	`Kirkburn`	`Indicative of the problem - an Arbitrators page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sam_Korn`
`21:35.28`	`Hobinheim`	`i already posted on it and the portal isn't very active`
`21:35.35`	`Apollozeus`	`"I used to edit here a lot. I don't any more. It just ain't fun."`
`21:35.35`	`Kirkburn`	`(There are only about 10 arbitrators on wikipedia)`
`21:35.39`	`Apollozeus`	`XD`
`21:35.51`	`Hobinheim`	`lol`
`21:36.18`	`Hobinheim`	`lol and we needed 7+ admins to keep ourselves in check`
`21:36.22`	`Hobinheim`	`i don't tihnk 10 scales well`
`21:36.29`	`Hobinheim`	`although i don't know how loaded the word arbiter is`
`21:36.33`	`Kirkburn`	`Super admin`
`21:36.39`	`Kirkburn`	`Fandyllic-type`
`21:36.43`	`Adys`	`Fandy-like?`
`21:36.43`	`Adys`	`bah`
`21:36.48`	`Apollozeus`	`wowwiki is way smaller`
`21:36.50`	`Apollozeus`	`:P`
`21:36.57`	`Apollozeus`	`we are fine with just 7 admins`
`21:37.01`	`Apollozeus`	`rather than a few hundred`
`21:37.04`	`Kirkburn`	`We have more than 7 :P`
`21:37.18`	`Apollozeus`	`how many do we have then?`
`21:37.21`	`Hobinheim`	`well what can fan do that we can't`
`21:37.33`	`Kirkburn`	`11`
`21:37.35`	`Kirkburn`	`2 inactive`
`21:37.40`	`Kirkburn`	`(part of the 11)`
`21:37.44`	`Apollozeus`	`ok`
`21:37.51`	`Adys`	`counting rustak, three inactive`
`21:38.07`	`Apollozeus`	`I'm wondering`
`21:38.10`	`Adys`	`schmidt/yoshi/rustak`
`21:38.10`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah, so 12 active (+ Fandy), 3 inactive`
`21:38.14`	`Kirkburn`	`Wow, that was confusing`
`21:38.17`	`Apollozeus`	`maybe rustak got lost in the emerald dream`
`21:38.18`	`Apollozeus`	`>_>`
`21:38.45`	`Kirkburn`	`For a long time only Fandy was active`
`21:38.52`	`Kirkburn`	`I mean, srsly ... ONLY fandy`
`21:39.12`	`Kirkburn`	`Our friendly neighbourhood mover vandal soon sorted that issue`
`21:39.22`	`Kirkburn`	`He came, he went, Mikk and me got promoted`
`21:39.36`	`Hobinheim`	`and then came the new knights of the round`
`21:39.41`	`Kirkburn`	`He came again and again, I got pissed off, and now we see our new recruits :)`
`21:39.56`	`Hobinheim`	`who ushered in a new era, torched by fel fire, where infernals and felbeasts run free`
`21:40.12`	`Adys`	`Who's this vandal anyways kirk`
`21:40.25`	`Adys`	`prob an ex wikian or something`
`21:41.10`	`*** join/#wowwiki Kirkburn (n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net)`
`21:41.18`	`Adys`	`:/`
`21:41.22`	`*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Kirkburn] by ChanServ`
`21:41.26`	`Kirkburn`	`AAAAAAAHHHH`
`21:41.28`	`Kirkburn`	`BLOODY router`
`21:41.32`	`*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Hobinheim] by Kirkburn`
`21:41.41`	`Adys`	`Kirk: who's this vandal? must be an ex wowwikian`
`21:42.02`	`Hobinheim`	`maybe you should get a new router`
`21:42.06`	`Kirkburn`	`The one I was just talking about before I was rudely interrupted?`
`21:42.08`	`Hobinheim`	`or try Enchant Router - Stop Sucking`
`21:42.15`	`Kirkburn`	`heh`
`21:42.22`	`Kirkburn`	`It's probably the ISP`
`21:42.31`	`Kirkburn`	`I can cope until I get back to Uni`
`21:42.33`	`Kirkburn`	`Adys, no idea`
`21:43.24`	`Kirkburn`	`I think we may have seen the last of him though, finally`
`21:43.54`	`Kirkburn`	`Hopefully he's noticed the new admins and will stop making pages called "HAHAHAH! I CAN DO THIS ALL DAY!!! THE ADMINS HERE SUCK!!!!" ... sigh`
`21:44.18`	`Kirkburn`	`A little birdie is interested in what happened with SilverSide :P`
`21:44.20`	`Apollozeus`	`doubt that`
`21:44.30`	`Kirkburn`	`Anyone here around for his time?`
`21:44.36`	`Apollozeus`	`once a vandal, always a vandal`
`21:45.04`	`*** join/#wowwiki foxlit (n=me@0x50c4b029.albnxx9.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk)`
`21:45.08`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah, but now he can'r romp free like he could in August`
`21:45.29`	`Kirkburn`	`SilverSide, however, is an interesting story`
`21:45.39`	`Apollozeus`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARustak&diff=384236&oldid=381130 <-- pwned`
`21:45.40`	`Apollozeus`	`D:`
`21:45.42`	`Adys`	`Oi was fightinng shazz as only mage alive`
`21:46.10`	`Kirkburn`	`He did some amazing stuff for the wiki back at the the turn of 2006, loads of 'admin' type stuff`
`21:46.18`	`Kirkburn`	`However, with a lot of it he just went too far`
`21:46.32`	`Kirkburn`	`Spent too long on the wiki, and his stuff just got more and more arcane and weird`
`21:46.41`	`Kirkburn`	`Eventually he burned out and left`
`21:46.43`	`Hobinheim`	`lol what`
`21:47.02`	`Kirkburn`	`It was almost like Obsessive Compulsive Disorder`
`21:47.11`	`Hobinheim`	`i think i will turn into that`
`21:47.16`	`Hobinheim`	`wow is burning me out`
`21:47.24`	`Kirkburn`	`I wasn't around at the time, but Mikk and me had a hell of a time cleaning up the stuff he left`
`21:47.24`	`Adys`	`TOC, Troubles Obsessionnels Compulsifs`
`21:47.26`	`Hobinheim`	`i put a frost nova icon up on my user page, and the next thing i know i'm an admin`
`21:47.36`	`Kirkburn`	`lol Hob`
`21:47.55`	`Kirkburn`	`We needed admins :)`
`21:48.15`	`*** join/#wowwiki Xtonic (n=jkhfgjgf@10001259951.0000026864.acesso.oni.pt)`
`21:48.21`	`Kirkburn`	`I didn't visit much in October/November so didn't see how much people were on`
`21:48.21`	`Xtonic`	`hi`
`21:48.25`	`Kirkburn`	`Bullo`
`21:48.27`	`Kirkburn`	`*Hullo!`
`21:48.29`	`Kirkburn`	`oops :P`
`21:48.33`	`Hobinheim`	`did he call himself the mentor?`
`21:48.36`	`Adys`	`Heya`
`21:48.39`	`Kirkburn`	`Hobinheim, yep`
`21:49.22`	`Hobinheim`	`uggh`
`21:49.28`	`Apollozeus`	`cya guys`
`21:49.30`	`Hobinheim`	`he moved all the class pages to caps`
`21:49.33`	`Adys`	`loads and loads of drama`
`21:49.33`	`Hobinheim`	`later`
`21:49.40`	`Hobinheim`	`i don't like our caps cats policy`
`21:49.48`	`Xtonic`	`I couldn't find the patch for 1.12.1 to 1.12.2 in wowwiki, can any1 help me ?`
`21:49.51`	`Hobinheim`	`Fire Spells >>> Fire spells`
`21:50.06`	`Adys`	`xtonic: doubt you'll be able to find it easily`
`21:50.17`	`Xtonic`	`why ?`
`21:50.17`	`Hobinheim`	`http://wowwiki.com/Patch_1.12.2_%28Release_Notes%29`
`21:50.27`	`Hobinheim`	`you mean the actual patch?`
`21:50.29`	`Adys`	`I think he meant the patch itself hob`
`21:50.41`	`Hobinheim`	`i doubt anyone could find it, nor would it at all be useful`
`21:50.44`	`Xtonic`	`yes`
`21:50.50`	`Hobinheim`	`patching from live not ok?`
`21:50.50`	`Xtonic`	`ok ty`
`21:53.37`	`[Zeal]`	`is there a dps calculator around?`
`21:53.39`	`[Zeal]`	`ie for items`
`21:53.46`	`Hobinheim`	`we should have a project to make wikipedia's warcraft articles not suck`
`21:53.52`	`Hobinheim`	`starting by deleting all of them...`
`21:55.09`	`[Zeal]`	`nvm i'll jsut use wow equip`
`21:58.22`	`foxlit`	`wikipedia warcraft articles (at least the mainstream ones) don't suck.`
`21:59.20`	`Hobinheim`	`the majority of gaming articles in wikipedia suck ass`
`21:59.26`	`Hobinheim`	`because only kids contribute to them`
`21:59.31`	`Hobinheim`	`or super nerds`
`22:00.03`	`[Zeal]`	`hm.. is there any item in the game with a race requirement? :s`
`22:00.12`	`Hobinheim`	`mounts`
`22:00.17`	`[Zeal]`	`ah yes`
`22:00.26`	`Hobinheim`	`the ability to retain a mount in inventory is sometimes restricted against tauren`
`22:01.07`	`Hobinheim`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender#Splitting_Character_Section check out that last section and tell me one of them isn't being an asshole`
`22:03.11`	`[Zeal]`	`hm.. where do the race restrictions go in a tooltip? :S`
`22:04.06`	`Hobinheim`	`follow the tooltip for pvp mounts`
`22:04.13`	`Hobinheim`	`if you can find it`
`22:04.44`	`Hobinheim`	`http://thottbot.com/?i=37164`
`22:05.08`	`Hobinheim`	`what race is Sc?`
`22:05.25`	`[Zeal]`	`yeah.. thottbot doesn't display tooltip information in the correct order`
`22:05.31`	`Hobinheim`	`orc, troll, tauren, undead....? human, night elf, blood elf, draenei, gnome, dwarf.....`
`22:05.46`	`[Zeal]`	`scourge`
`22:05.50`	`Hobinheim`	`oh lol`
`22:05.52`	`[Zeal]`	`it'd image`
`22:05.57`	`[Zeal]`	`*i'd imagine`
`22:06.05`	`[Zeal]`	`stupid blizz : /`
`22:17.40`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah, back to SilverSide, basically it all went a little crazy and he left. He's come back a few times, but some feel his attitude has been lacking`
`22:18.09`	`Kirkburn`	`Calling himself "The Mentor" really didn't help, especially when his first wiki edit was "Can I be an admin?"`
`22:18.39`	`Hobinheim`	`hey i wasn't shy about wanting to admin`
`22:18.54`	`Kirkburn`	`(not only that but he was around 15 at the time)`
`22:18.55`	`Hobinheim`	`but that was only cuz me and.... who was it... montag? were up 4 in the morning watching vandalizing happen`
`22:19.13`	`Hobinheim`	`bah i feel sillly now`
`22:19.16`	`Kirkburn`	`heh`
`22:19.21`	`Hobinheim`	`we watched an hour's worth of vandalism go by`
`22:19.30`	`Hobinheim`	`constant page moves...`
`22:21.35`	`Kirkburn`	`Not a nice sight`
`22:21.41`	`Kirkburn`	`Not fun to revert, either`
`22:21.51`	`Kirkburn`	`Took me well over an hour`
`22:44.30`	`*** join/#wowwiki crobi (n=chatzill@84-75-157-69.dclient.hispeed.ch)`
`22:45.51`	`Kirkburn`	`hullo`
`22:57.47`	`Tekkub`	`yea I'm around most weekday nights, if ya need me ping me`
`22:58.45`	`Tekkub`	`Kirkburn, I emailed a fix for the CSS shit to Rustak`
`22:59.05`	`Tekkub`	`will you please pester him to put it in, it's a 10sec copy paste job for fucks sake`
`22:59.06`	`Kirkburn`	`Coolio`
`22:59.26`	`Tekkub`	`I've gotten no indication that his email addy is even valid`
`22:59.45`	`Kirkburn`	`Well you haven't got a mailerdaemon`
`23:00.09`	`Tekkub`	`that doesn't mean much anymore`
`23:00.23`	`Tekkub`	`spam's made mailerdaemon's pointless`
`23:00.34`	`Kirkburn`	`True :/`
`23:00.54`	`Tekkub`	`sweettart candycanes FTW`
`23:01.14`	`Tekkub`	`oh and I poked into WDB mining a tad`
`23:01.18`	`Tekkub`	`it has potential :)`
`23:01.26`	`Hobinheim`	`we should just vandalize the wiki until he comes back to fix it`
`23:01.31`	`Tekkub`	`but there's a few wiki design... snags`
`23:01.46`	`Hobinheim`	`yeah wdb's are very appealing to me i just haven't actually sat down to write a parser yet`
`23:02.14`	`Tekkub`	`we should put his emal on the front page and big notes about how he's abanded us and won't even reply to admin's emails`
`23:02.27`	`Tekkub`	`I have a wdb >> csv parser`
`23:02.36`	`Tekkub`	`it's just matter of how we want to do this`
`23:02.37`	`Hobinheim`	`lol already`
`23:02.47`	`Hobinheim`	`should i out line my master plan here`
`23:02.59`	`Tekkub`	`the key thing is everything (quests, NPCs, items) use number indexes`
`23:03.18`	`Hobinheim`	`quests have unique ids buried in the wdb?`
`23:03.19`	`Tekkub`	`and there are often things with duplicate names...`
`23:03.24`	`Tekkub`	`yes they do`
`23:03.29`	`Hobinheim`	`zomg amazing`
`23:03.36`	`Hobinheim`	`how about npcs?`
`23:03.36`	`Tekkub`	`so how do we manage this?`
`23:03.43`	`Tekkub`	`yes, NPCs`
`23:03.43`	`Hobinheim`	`oo oo i'm really excited about this`
`23:03.47`	`Hobinheim`	`ok so like`
`23:03.50`	`Tekkub`	`and items, and doodads...`
`23:03.57`	`Hobinheim`	`what we do is provide an upload form`
`23:04.03`	`Hobinheim`	`that will accept wdbs`
`23:04.06`	`Hobinheim`	`or zips of them w/e`
`23:04.10`	`Tekkub`	`yea that's fine...`
`23:04.12`	`Hobinheim`	`and then checks thru the wdb`
`23:04.18`	`Tekkub`	`my question is the wiki layout....`
`23:04.22`	`Hobinheim`	`and makes sure that all the info in the wdb is included in the wowwiki`
`23:04.25`	`Hobinheim`	`in an automated fashion`
`23:04.31`	`Hobinheim`	`everything has to be templated`
`23:04.32`	`Tekkub`	`we want to make a namespace specifically for these?`
`23:04.42`	`Tekkub`	`oh wait, we need rusdak for that`
`23:04.45`	`Tekkub`	`fuck that idea`
`23:04.52`	`Hobinheim`	`no we will use the regular namespace with the english titles`
`23:05.01`	`Tekkub`	`WDB_Item_12345 ??`
`23:05.06`	`Hobinheim`	`and the IDs will be secondary to the english titles, since it's more of how wikis work`
`23:05.13`	`Hobinheim`	`no, Sword of Truths`
`23:05.26`	`Hobinheim`	`we can make redirects for all those item ids if you want`
`23:05.32`	`Hobinheim`	`items by idea cat`
`23:05.33`	`Tekkub`	`what about items like [Punctured Voodoo Doll]`
`23:05.34`	`Tekkub`	`?`
`23:05.36`	`Hobinheim`	`items by ID cat`
`23:05.41`	`Tekkub`	`9 diff items, same name, diff ids`
`23:05.45`	`Hobinheim`	`that exist in multiple instances you mean?`
`23:05.50`	`Hobinheim`	`i'm glad you asked`
`23:05.58`	`Hobinheim`	`we have to make an exception engine for our parser`
`23:06.02`	`Hobinheim`	`to handle things like that`
`23:06.18`	`Hobinheim`	`we'll manually right an article for the voodoo doll, but all the redirects can still point to the same article`
`23:06.20`	`Tekkub`	`well here's the thing to all that...`
`23:06.30`	`Tekkub`	`I think the data templates should just use the ids`
`23:06.34`	`Hobinheim`	`or different ones internally if we wanted to be REALLY thorough (which i like, yay item ids)`
`23:06.47`	`Tekkub`	`we already know itemids if we have an external link to alla/wowhead`
`23:07.05`	`Tekkub`	`we just throw that id into the template that generates a tooltip from the data page`
`23:07.13`	`Hobinheim`	`sure, that's cool`
`23:07.22`	`Hobinheim`	`ugh i'm so excited`
`23:07.26`	`Tekkub`	`{{Item tooltip\|12345}}`
`23:07.29`	`Hobinheim`	`yes`
`23:07.35`	`Hobinheim`	`that would be fan freakin tastic`
`23:07.45`	`Tekkub`	`which would in turn look up data from {{:WDB Item 12345}}`
`23:07.59`	`Tekkub`	`unless we want them in the template namespace`
`23:08.02`	`Hobinheim`	`which would have automatically been contributed by the parser`
`23:08.12`	`Hobinheim`	`well w/e`
`23:08.33`	`Tekkub`	`and quest data would be able to automatically generate the "kill x" and rewards sections if the NPC data page exists`
`23:08.40`	`Hobinheim`	`this would be a great step in becoming the unsucky thottbot`
`23:08.46`	`Tekkub`	`which it should if the user submits all their WDB files`
`23:08.46`	`Hobinheim`	`GREAT`
`23:08.49`	`Hobinheim`	`see, i LOVE that`
`23:09.12`	`Tekkub`	`here's my end vision...`
`23:09.25`	`Tekkub`	`pages all start with {{Item page\|12345}}`
`23:09.35`	`Tekkub`	`that creates a tooltip and the general top text`
`23:09.56`	`Tekkub`	`then users can edit in the == Notes == == Source == and such`
`23:10.13`	`Tekkub`	`all the data that cannot come from WDB will be user posted, unlike thott`
`23:10.33`	`Tekkub`	`thott's weakness is the data they mine in-game with the addon is... very inacurate`
`23:10.45`	`Tekkub`	`I'm not saying their in-game addon suck, it just sucks.`
`23:10.47`	`Tekkub`	`:)`
`23:11.13`	`Hobinheim`	`yes!`
`23:11.16`	`Hobinheim`	`loving it`
`23:11.22`	`Hobinheim`	`grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr fabulous hahaha`
`23:11.28`	`Tekkub`	`^^`
`23:11.54`	`Tekkub`	`I'll make a quest page that uses NPC and item data tonight`
`23:12.01`	`Tekkub`	`got TBC infos I can add in`
`23:12.16`	`Hobinheim`	`aww beating me to the punch =(`
`23:12.18`	`Hobinheim`	`oh well`
`23:12.20`	`Tekkub`	`quest data contains all the text too ^^`
`23:12.25`	`Hobinheim`	`i know i'm really excited`
`23:12.41`	`Tekkub`	`well we still need a script to wikify the data pages and post them`
`23:12.47`	`Tekkub`	`where's that bitch Mikk`
`23:13.03`	`Tekkub`	`he's the one that made the script to wikify and bot up TOC data on AceWiki`
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`23:14.23`	`*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Kirkburn] by ChanServ`
`23:23.47`	`Patrigan-Syldra`	`Tekkub Hobinheim you got a solution to the items?`
`23:23.59`	`Tekkub`	`yes`
`23:25.22`	`Tekkub`	`Hobinheim, http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/3343/wdb-to-csv-converter/`
`23:25.49`	`Hobinheim`	`feh`
`23:25.51`	`Hobinheim`	`what a waste`
`23:25.54`	`Hobinheim`	`i was gonna write my own`
`23:25.59`	`Hobinheim`	`file > wiki, no fuss`
`23:26.18`	`Tekkub`	`well this is just the first step :P`
`23:26.29`	`Tekkub`	`still need wikified and posted up`
`23:26.32`	`Hobinheim`	`must happen now!`
`23:26.52`	`Hobinheim`	`w/e i'll get my hands on some WDB tonight maybe (probably not, haha)`
`23:27.47`	`[Zeal]`	`really don't need a local database..`
`23:28.36`	`Hobinheim`	`an encyclopedia is just a database with more words`
`23:28.50`	`Hobinheim`	`the vast majority of our articles, by number, are database-esque things`
`23:29.35`	`Tekkub`	`yes, thewiki is a fusion of thott/alla data, API docs, and user made content`
`23:30.11`	`Tekkub`	`the thott/alla data needs automated and we need to provide our own data :)`
`23:30.21`	`Tekkub`	`instead of gleaning it from them`
`23:30.34`	`Hobinheim`	`besides, once we get this out of the way, we'll have 100% accurate data and we can concentrate on putting in even better content`
`23:31.03`	`Hobinheim`	`man i am excited.com`
`23:31.30`	`foxlit`	`How will you check what is updated and what is not?`
`23:32.06`	`Tekkub`	`Mikk wanted to keep a local DB of data to check against`
`23:32.15`	`Tekkub`	`and only bot up new/changed items`
`23:32.20`	`Hobinheim`	`oooooOOOoooo`
`23:32.21`	`Hobinheim`	`that's nice`
`23:32.24`	`Hobinheim`	`keeping old versions`
`23:32.26`	`Hobinheim`	`very ninja`
`23:32.29`	`Hobinheim`	`i didn't even think that far`
`23:32.33`	`Hobinheim`	`real nice...`
`23:32.56`	`Tekkub`	`we need Mikk in here, he's the bot master`
`23:33.04`	`Tekkub`	`and we only want one bot running here`
`23:34.14`	`Kirkburn`	`We do?`
`23:34.22`	`Kirkburn`	`Leave a msg on his talk page`
`23:34.32`	`Kirkburn`	`He made an edit earlier, so he is watching the wiki`
`23:34.35`	`Hobinheim`	`aww i thought i was a bot master too =(`
`23:34.50`	`Kirkburn`	`What's your's called`
`23:34.54`	`Hobinheim`	`hobinbot`
`23:35.17`	`Hobinheim`	`it doesn't patrol automatically, i only use it to make tedious edits`
`23:35.18`	`Tekkub`	`wat a crappy name`
`23:35.32`	`Tekkub`	`I'd've named it Botinheim`
`23:35.34`	`Hobinheim`	`like reverting vandalism or inserting templates or telling tek to shut his goddman yapper`
`23:35.59`	`Hobinheim`	`you made me so frustrated i couldn't even spell goddamn properly`
`23:36.08`	`Tekkub`	`whateva`
`23:36.14`	`[Zeal]`	`damn, adys would have left already.`
`23:36.19`	`[Zeal]`	`oh well http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Item:Axe_of_Brox`
`23:36.31`	`Tekkub`	`axe of brox?`
`23:37.03`	`Tekkub`	`GMs... fuck GMs`
`23:37.15`	`[Zeal]`	`yes, fake item, just made it to test out.`
`23:37.27`	`Kirkburn`	`Yay new category:`
`23:37.34`	`Kirkburn`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Wiki_Bots`
`23:37.47`	`Tekkub`	`crappy name, I'd've named it Broxigaxe`
`23:38.30`	`[Zeal]`	`lol`
`23:43.25`	`foxlit`	`Hm, my evening's worth of addon coding is now complete.`
`23:43.35`	`foxlit`	`http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1061/xframeshx3.png`
`23:43.50`	`Hobinheim`	`i had dreams that'd i'd make it in the add-on world`
`23:44.13`	`Tekkub`	`if you do, don't give in to user demands`
`23:44.14`	`foxlit`	`Hrm, not quite the channel I intended to be in :)`
`23:44.20`	`Tekkub`	`keep the bishis in line`
`23:48.25`	`Kirkburn`	`foxlit, which addon?`
`23:48.48`	`Kirkburn`	`Hobinheim, you can be like me and scrounge for code :P`
`23:49.04`	`Hobinheim`	`i want something that manages warlock stones`
`23:49.09`	`Kirkburn`	`Necrosis?`
`23:49.10`	`Hobinheim`	`since i'm the only one who uses them...`
`23:49.28`	`Hobinheim`	`an add-on can't auto equip things right?`
`23:49.32`	`foxlit`	`Kirkburn: I wrote it entirely.`
`23:49.36`	`foxlit`	`Hobinheim: yes, it can.`
`23:49.46`	`Hobinheim`	`at any time? or only in reaction to an event?`
`23:50.02`	`foxlit`	`Doesn't require a hardware event.`
`23:50.16`	`foxlit`	`I haven't yet done anything involving swapping in combat, so that may (or may not) be protected`
`23:50.57`	`Hobinheim`	`cooldown detection? like trinket queuing?`
`23:51.13`	`foxlit`	`http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1061/xframeshx3.png`
`23:51.17`	`foxlit`	`doh`
`23:51.22`	`foxlit`	`http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/2802/twintrinkets/`
`23:51.37`	`Hobinheim`	`basically i want a trinket queue for my ranged slot`
`23:51.58`	`foxlit`	`trinket queue; ranged slot?`
`23:52.21`	`Kirkburn`	`I don't think you can do it in combat`
`23:52.41`	`Kirkburn`	`But I may be wrong`
`23:52.56`	`Hobinheim`	`i can def switch items in combat, i have this outfitter type thing`
`23:53.03`	`Hobinheim`	`but i don't know if it cna do that automatically like a trinkque`
`23:53.33`	`Tekkub`	`only weapons in combat`
`23:54.11`	`Kirkburn`	`Hobinbot, Watchoutbot and Mikkbot are the only wiki bots atm`
`23:55.03`	`Tekkub`	`I know it's corny... but we need a Thottbot`
`23:56.36`	`Hobinheim`	`ZING`
`23:56.43`	`Hobinheim`	`i'm gonna peace out tek's getting max corny`
`23:57.07`	`Hobinheim`	`peace all. wdb love tonight if i get something up and running`
`23:57.10`	`*** part/#wowwiki Hobinheim (n=meatwad@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)`
`23:57.17`	`Tekkub`	`AND DON'T COME BACK!`
`23:57.18`	`Kirkburn`	`Hah! Getting Thott to do stuff to the wiki would be harder than finding Rustak!`
`23:57.38`	`Tekkub`	`no I didn't mean an official thottbot`
`23:57.38`	`Kirkburn`	`I know ;)`
`23:57.44`	`Kirkburn`	`I just know how busy Thott is`
`23:57.59`	`Kirkburn`	`"very"`
`23:58.43`	`Kirkburn`	`Wonder who crobi was`

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