| 00:00.23 | [Zeal] | server progression or guild progression on the server? |
| 00:00.41 | [Zeal] | if the latter, really that should jsut be on the guild pages and maintained by someone from that guild. |
| 00:05.37 | Ruan | I have a zone in TBC named after me |
| 00:06.02 | [Zeal] | oh? |
| 00:09.32 | Kirkburn | Ruan Weald :P |
| 00:09.43 | Kirkburn | Ruaan, actually, I think |
| 00:09.54 | Kirkburn | Great little zone |
| 00:11.31 | Ruan | yes. Ruaan Weald |
| 00:14.08 | Ruan | and I will resist the temptation to edit the wiki saying it's named after me |
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| 00:25.23 | [Zeal] | :o |
| 00:25.32 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 00:26.20 | [Zeal] | what zone is it in? :s |
| 00:26.25 | [Zeal] | can't find the wiki page :s |
| 00:30.30 | [Zeal] | hm.. gogle didn't pick that up. nvm found it now. |
| 00:30.34 | [Zeal] | *google |
| 00:30.47 | [Zeal] | got it with weald, but not ruaan :S |
| 00:30.54 | RuanGacho | Travesty! |
| 00:30.57 | [Zeal] | because it's ruuan.. |
| 00:31.00 | RuanGacho | wtf my name changed |
| 00:31.22 | [Zeal] | lol, you rejoined with a new name |
| 00:31.39 | RuanGacho | I haven't used that name in like 3 years wth. |
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| 00:34.31 | RuanGacho | screw it I'm getting a new irc client |
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| 00:38.01 | Ruan | now it's become too much work to find a new one |
| 00:38.08 | Ruan | and tek is lazy? HAH |
| 00:38.49 | Tekkub | xchat |
| 00:39.34 | foxlit | Zeal, ping |
| 00:40.32 | [Zeal] | hm? |
| 01:09.02 | [Zeal] | i'm wondering about the validity of transcluding at some point. is it really practical to repeat information on multiple pages, rather than just direct to the page where that info is, and will probably contain more additional relative links to what you want. |
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| 01:17.03 | Ruan | If I knew what transcluding was I might have a response for you |
| 01:17.12 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 01:17.17 | foxlit | User:Zeal/Sandbox/Templates/battlegroup: you mean accept, but you write except |
| 01:17.39 | [Zeal] | bah, ty |
| 01:17.45 | foxlit | no problem :) |
| 01:20.42 | [Zeal] | really, categories (software wise) need to be made mroe useful, basically the ability to show a category within a page, or removal of the category namespace completly, and allowing pages the ability to have category functionality. : / |
| 01:21.36 | [Zeal] | right now, you have a dynamic list, with is only useful for navigation, and have to maintain a static list at the same time, for display purposes. |
| 01:22.54 | Ruan | isn't that more of a semantic of calling it a category than anything? Structurally speaking they only sometimes function that way |
| 01:23.22 | [Zeal] | don't follow. |
| 01:23.41 | Ruan | I'm probably the one not understanding, don't worry about it. |
| 01:26.01 | [Zeal] | for example, if you had Battlegroup:Ruin (EN), you make it so sevver pages can just do [[Category:Battlegroup:Ruin (EN)]], and instead of making a Category:Battelgroup:Ruin (EN) page, it would add thme to a list in Battlegroup:Ruin (EN), which you can simply place with a {{Category}} variable. |
| 01:26.34 | [Zeal] | *{{CATEGORY}} |
| 01:28.10 | Ruan | Ah. |
| 01:29.48 | [Zeal] | that way you have navigation + display all in one, and don't have to repeat data or maintain a static list. |
| 01:30.10 | Ruan | in the long term would be more resource efficient |
| 01:32.00 | [Zeal] | currently, the choices are, 1) link to the category, 2) create the page in the category namespace, 3) maintain a static list and transclude it (what is being done atm). |
| 01:32.39 | [Zeal] | i'm starting to favour 1) |
| 01:32.50 | Ruan | Talking to a bunch of wiki users makes me feel like I've returned to my native geek lands, and although the ways seem foreign, they are my people and I need to learn them again, lest I lose myself! |
| 01:33.03 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 01:33.04 | Ruan | At least logically 1) makes a hell of a lot of sense |
| 01:33.38 | [Zeal] | indeed |
| 01:37.39 | [Zeal] | the way i suggested for the futre, would also provide something wiki's lact, clear and easy navigation. no longer do you have to rely on people to added and maintain and a "See also" list of links. Aslong as they add the categories for the page, it's all handled automatically. Any page not in a category, is essentially orphaned. |
| 01:39.48 | [Zeal] | so makes for keeping pages in order and placed correctly simple for patrols and users easy. |
| 01:43.52 | Ruan | It's hard to grasp it all, considering... how many pages would we have to bring in? |
| 01:44.05 | Ruan | orphans that are out there right now I mean |
| 01:45.13 | [Zeal] | well that's the beauty of it. would be orphaned, so just run throguh the orphan list. until everything's been done. |
| 01:45.51 | [Zeal] | no page, in reality, should be orphaned. |
| 01:46.05 | Ruan | I don't want to stroke your ego too much, but why hasn't this marvelous idea been done yet? :P |
| 01:46.34 | [Zeal] | mediawiki is still in it's infant stages tbh. |
| 01:47.02 | Ruan | So isn't it likely that mediawiki will develop that in time with prodding from people like you? |
| 01:47.11 | [Zeal] | possibly :P |
| 01:47.46 | [Zeal] | hell, i'm still new to wiki's, but i see many things wrong, and many places where improvements can/need to be made. |
| 01:47.55 | [Zeal] | typical of me :p |
| 01:48.33 | Ruan | smells like a coder |
| 01:48.40 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 01:49.15 | [Zeal] | i dabble with coding, only enough to get by. |
| 01:49.42 | Ruan | same as I |
| 01:57.32 | [Zeal] | no battlegroup category x_x |
| 02:31.01 | Ruan | I tweaked my plans page using the boilerplate |
| 02:31.16 | Ruan | I think I can slam them out a lot quicker now |
| 02:34.56 | Ruan | Bahaha, I just added like 4 links to the page |
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| 04:34.12 | [Zeal] | is there a common understanding between a mob and an NPC? |
| 04:34.22 | [Zeal] | *about the differences between |
| 04:48.00 | Ruan | a mob being a creature you destroy by whatever personal means you have as opposed to an NPC being a unit you interact with as a vendor/questgiver? I'm not sure the world has made such a dilineation officially |
| 04:50.56 | [Zeal] | part of what i'm doing, is proposing new namespaces (psuedo or not) NPC: PC: Server: Guild: Battlegroup: Zone: Item: Quest: Instance: Dev: Template: Boilerplate: Category: Card: most i can think of atm. |
| 04:51.36 | [Zeal] | hm.. Set: would probably be needed for tcg stuff too. |
| 04:52.24 | [Zeal] | basically, designations for the article type. |
| 04:59.19 | [Zeal] | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Server:Broxigar_%28EU%29 check that out |
| 05:11.09 | Ruan | that would definately work for pages without really any formating to begin with |
| 05:11.56 | [Zeal] | well i'm thinking the format for all pages tbh. |
| 05:12.37 | [Zeal] | hm.. no need to split progress now |
| 05:13.11 | Ruan | work at 5:00am later |
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| 05:20.32 | [Zeal] | ooo theres another one. Term: |
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| 05:40.37 | Ruan | zeal |
| 05:40.40 | Ruan | if you haven't seen this |
| 05:40.42 | Ruan | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category_talk:Templates_that_should_have_been_local |
| 05:51.18 | [Zeal] | what about it? |
| 05:52.00 | [Zeal] | and i've just made that server page pretty much final (i'll convert what bits to templates where they need to be tomorrow) |
| 05:52.34 | [Zeal] | think i'm gunna suggest going back to realm, though i knoew it was previously debated before i joined. |
| 05:53.56 | Ruan | I just thought it was oddly related to your thoughts |
| 05:54.17 | Ruan | Now I need to figure out how everyone has small tooltips displayed on the other professions |
| 05:54.38 | Ruan | I finished the blacksmithing items for the scryers vs aldor page |
| 05:54.50 | Ruan | the plans anyway.. yikes.. always so many links to fill |
| 06:00.04 | [Zeal] | i'm hoping to, at some point, try to eliminate all table templates where applicable. |
| 06:00.16 | [Zeal] | eg tooltips, wowbox etc. |
| 06:00.30 | [Zeal] | replaces them with divs/lists |
| 06:00.34 | [Zeal] | *replace |
| 06:00.41 | [Zeal] | anyways, i'm out. nn all |
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| 06:50.18 | Ruan | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Medallion_of_the_Lightbearer/Quality |
| 06:50.35 | Ruan | I hit the article by pressing random page and went "errr.." |
| 07:26.27 | Tekkub | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Medallion_of_the_Lightbearer%2FQuality |
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| 15:43.21 | Adys8924 | Zeal, you here? |
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| 18:21.41 | [Zeal] | stupid net lately.. |
| 18:21.47 | [Zeal] | whats up Adys? |
| 18:21.48 | Adys | Oi you |
| 18:21.53 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Battlegroups |
| 18:21.57 | Adys | watcha think? |
| 18:23.39 | [Zeal] | well atleast there is a category now, nice :p |
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| 18:49.38 | b1f30_w0rk | eya |
| 18:49.43 | b1f30_w0rk | great site - that wow wiki :-) |
| 18:49.48 | b1f30_w0rk | needs some serious updating though |
| 18:50.28 | Adys | Feel free to update then =) |
| 18:51.02 | b1f30_w0rk | working on it :-) |
| 18:51.08 | b1f30_w0rk | the rogueness stuff muh ha ha |
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| 20:16.10 | RedStorm | any ops around? |
| 20:17.10 | RedStorm | i was flag as a vandal for editing my guild infomation as per my GM's suggestion and that does seat with wowwiki? It wasn't even an offensive statement. |
| 21:10.52 | [Zeal] | he was amazingly helpful, what with not using his name and all : / |
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| 21:50.20 | Kirkburn | Any news from the past 18 hours? :) |
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| 22:07.38 | Kirkburn | Whee, caught the mover vandal :D |
| 22:07.59 | Adys|AFK | lol |
| 22:08.29 | Adys | How bored this guy is anyways. |
| 22:12.41 | Kirkburn | Tooooooo bored |
| 22:13.42 | Kirkburn | Help please: http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Instance_Grouping_Guide#Neutral_NPCs |
| 22:17.10 | Kirkburn | nvm |
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| 22:37.57 | Ruan | Yarr |
| 22:42.23 | Kirkburn | Yarr! |
| 22:42.29 | Adys | Alo |
| 22:42.33 | Kirkburn | I've just protected a bunch more pages from moving |
| 22:42.55 | Kirkburn | Lots of user pages, since he does love to attack those who defend against him |
| 22:45.54 | Kirkburn | Adys, others, feel free to _move_ protect high profile user pages and popular (or prominently linked) info pages :) |
| 22:48.45 | Kirkburn | Everything down to #25 on http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Popularpages is protected |
| 22:49.13 | Adys | You sure you protected the main page? |
| 22:50.12 | Kirkburn | Why protect the main page? It's not as if people visit it ;) |
| 22:51.33 | Kirkburn | Wiki down! Wiki down! Or is it just me ... |
| 22:51.52 | Adys | Just you |
| 22:52.22 | Kirkburn | K, restarting router |
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| 23:10.56 | [Zeal] | heh |
| 23:13.02 | Ruan | who's attackin the castle? I got me hamma ready |
| 23:23.06 | Kirkburn | Another 72 pages protected, any more? :) |
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| 23:27.15 | Adys | Kirk: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Kirochi&redirect=no ? |
| 23:27.29 | Kirkburn | Hmm? |
| 23:27.44 | Adys | I dont get this page =P |
| 23:31.36 | Kirkburn | heh, well you certainly won't get it now |
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| 23:54.31 | IceGuest_7_ | hello? |