| 00:02.23 | karl_w_w | that's not the hard part Stanzilla :P |
| 00:03.19 | foxlit | the hard part is figuring out what on earth you mean by R2Ds |
| 00:03.48 | karl_w_w | it means I can recall, I'm in group 2, I'm a DPS and I can stealth |
| 00:05.48 | foxlit | What sort of people communicate in such cryptic codes? :) |
| 00:05.56 | foxlit | Anyhow, you're |
| 00:06.19 | foxlit | you'd need to check whether the new specialization IDs are actually the same as the old talent tab IDs, which they probably are not. |
| 00:07.01 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 00:07.17 | karl_w_w | foxlit: QQ premade AVs :P |
| 00:08.23 | karl_w_w | oh score i found the old calculations I did |
| 00:08.45 | karl_w_w | and I didn't write down which ID is which class |
| 00:08.47 | karl_w_w | facepalms |
| 00:17.41 | foxlit | karl_w_w: but have you checked GetSpecializationRole? |
| 00:18.25 | karl_w_w | not yet |
| 00:18.46 | karl_w_w | busy with real addons/can't be bothered right now |
| 00:18.56 | karl_w_w | which is why sum1 else is meant to do it for me :P |
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| 00:44.32 | Talryn | Anyone else using a Mac on the MoP beta? |
| 00:54.38 | Amarande | huh. looting a fish off of a murloc apparently counts as "catching" it for the achievement. |
| 01:17.16 | Arrowmaster | well i just backed the pocket tv project on kickstarter, now im debating ordering a 16gb nexus7 |
| 01:17.50 | Thunder_Child | i think i'l wait for the win pro tablet myself |
| 01:18.17 | Arrowmaster | i dont use windows on my desktop, so i think ill avoid it for a tablet |
| 01:18.20 | Thunder_Child | i refused to get anything larger than 5 in. that is not a real OS anymore. I just tend not to use them |
| 01:23.21 | Amarande | I can't imagine getting a tablet other than Android now, mainly because with Android I could use the same apps I have on my Google account already, while with Win or iPad I'd have to buy the same apps all over again, assuming they had versions for the other OS |
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| 01:29.36 | Mr_Rabies | Arrowmaster: there is a decent chance you can install a custom OS onto the surface pro |
| 01:30.20 | Mr_Rabies | unless they specifically seek to break it, i don't see why you couldn't |
| 01:30.28 | Arrowmaster | they will |
| 01:30.39 | Arrowmaster | thats the entire point of the EUFI lockdown |
| 01:31.31 | Gnarfoz | uefi secure boot ftl |
| 01:31.49 | karl_w_w | please tell me that's pronounced "yuffie" |
| 01:32.07 | Arrowmaster | remember way back they said x86/x64 devices coming preloaded with windows will allow you to disable secure boot but arm devices would not |
| 01:32.23 | Gnarfoz | it's an abbreviation, what's your guess as to how it's pronounced? each letter on its own... |
| 01:32.45 | Arrowmaster | bah $30 for shipping and tax |
| 01:32.56 | Arrowmaster | why do i have to pay shipping and tax |
| 01:33.12 | Gnarfoz | because you're getting it shipped and $state/$country is imposing taxes |
| 01:33.28 | Gnarfoz | pretty straight-forward! :D |
| 01:34.07 | karl_w_w | Gnarfoz: so I guess you say "ell ay ess ee arr"? |
| 01:34.49 | Gnarfoz | no, since I'm not from where you're from and we've imported that as a word instead of as an abbreviation |
| 01:35.05 | Gnarfoz | (as english has done, too, tbh) |
| 01:35.55 | karl_w_w | oh so you can't pronounce abbreviations until they are established as words? |
| 01:36.30 | Gnarfoz | maybe? I'm not sure what you're trying to say |
| 01:36.34 | mckenziemc | ~lart karl_w_w |
| 01:36.34 | purl | slaps karl_w_w upside the head with a wet fish |
| 01:37.00 | karl_w_w | well I'm saying what you're saying |
| 01:37.24 | Gnarfoz | two people saying the same thing doesn't sound like an interesting conversation |
| 01:37.27 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 01:37.28 | karl_w_w | that when it becomes a word you can say it as a word but not at any time before that |
| 01:37.42 | Gnarfoz | hm, I guess so |
| 01:38.27 | karl_w_w | so you don't say "naytoh"? :D |
| 01:38.51 | karl_w_w | or "cobol" |
| 01:38.58 | Gnarfoz | nahtoh, tbh |
| 01:39.08 | karl_w_w | ooh nahtoh |
| 01:39.16 | karl_w_w | aren't you posh :P |
| 01:39.23 | Gnarfoz | aren't I german, you mean |
| 01:39.59 | Gnarfoz | never heard of the aytlantic ocean ;) |
| 01:40.26 | Gnarfoz | I want my leap second back! |
| 01:40.36 | karl_w_w | well you can't have it |
| 01:40.54 | Gnarfoz | actually, I want the time back I spent making sure it killed no servers at work :D |
| 01:40.54 | karl_w_w | mckenziemc took it |
| 01:41.22 | Gnarfoz | so recaptcha is broken again, great :| moar spam incoming |
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| 02:03.07 | karl_w_w | the leap second killed pirate bay :P |
| 02:03.25 | karl_w_w | I heard that from a friend, I would never try to visit the site myself |
| 02:04.19 | Catariana | too much staring at APIs seems to have helpedm e evolve away from the ability to sleep. |
| 02:04.28 | Catariana | damn you blizzard |
| 02:05.53 | Sintacks | sleeping pills |
| 02:06.23 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: and reddit |
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| 02:06.41 | Catariana | Gnarfoz: that's a cause for celebration, that is |
| 02:07.20 | karl_w_w | ^ |
| 02:07.27 | Sintacks | reddit was down last i looked |
| 02:07.34 | Sintacks | still is |
| 02:07.39 | Catariana | shithole of bigotry and really really horrific misogyny |
| 02:08.45 | Gnarfoz | yeah, because you need reddit for that |
| 02:08.55 | Catariana | no but reddit is an unusually egregious example |
| 02:09.35 | Gnarfoz | I'm certain the site is big enough for that to be a really really generalized statement |
| 02:10.07 | Gnarfoz | I like it when people post "leap second being added tonight" etc on twitter/wherever |
| 02:10.11 | Catariana | you'd think so but not really :P |
| 02:10.12 | Gnarfoz | when it's already done |
| 02:11.10 | karl_w_w | 9gag is the worst though |
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| 02:20.47 | Dagmar | Something abotu the leap second seems to have freaked out some Minecraft servers |
| 02:21.01 | Dagmar | I'll be damned if I know why |
| 02:21.48 | Gnarfoz | http://serverfault.com/questions/403732/anyone-else-experiencing-high-rates-of-linux-server-crashes-today |
| 02:21.54 | Gnarfoz | (for starters) |
| 02:22.14 | kd3 | kernels before 2.6.29 have a crasher dealing with ntp's leap-second handling |
| 02:22.16 | Gnarfoz | also, Java seems to have a (not sure what) problem, according to mozilla |
| 02:22.19 | kd3 | which is... rhel5? |
| 02:22.24 | Duman | poor apple.com |
| 02:22.29 | Duman | their nameservers have been dead for the last 2 hours |
| 02:22.33 | Gnarfoz | rhel5 is 2.6.18 and wasn't affected for me |
| 02:23.16 | Dagmar | Same here |
| 02:23.27 | Dagmar | I should be in a world of shit right now, but I'm not |
| 02:23.31 | Dagmar | Doesn't make any sense. |
| 02:23.32 | Gnarfoz | "kernels before/after x.y.z" is really only comparable when referring to vanilla, who knows what patches the hell distro-specific kernels have |
| 02:23.47 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: your running ntpd? |
| 02:23.55 | Dagmar | _Everywhere_ |
| 02:24.13 | Dagmar | My minecraft test server went nuts. Restarting it didn't help. Rebooting the whole machine did. |
| 02:24.16 | Catariana | my windows is handling the leap second just fine |
| 02:24.20 | Catariana | :> |
| 02:24.21 | Dagmar | My friends bukkit server, same thing |
| 02:24.37 | Dagmar | The *shitloads* of Java stuff at the office on RHEL 5/6? No problems. |
| 02:24.41 | End_ | huh |
| 02:24.49 | End_ | I had no idea there was any such problem |
| 02:24.50 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: depends, maybe whatever ntp servers the ntp clients on your server use don't even know about the leap second |
| 02:24.58 | End_ | but I think I'm running 3.0 or 3.2 everywhere |
| 02:25.27 | Dagmar | That would certainly be nice |
| 02:25.28 | Dagmar | heh |
| 02:25.30 | Gnarfoz | according to lkml it's fixed in something like 3.2.x? but, see above regarding kernel versions |
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| 02:26.35 | Dagmar | Yeah my box is Slackware, I'm not sure what the hell Wilpig's using, and we've got a wide array of RHEL5/6 boxes |
| 02:27.15 | Kaylin | how's slackware? that was the first distro I ever used but it was like 10 years ago now |
| 02:27.54 | Gnarfoz | how? yellow! what are you asking :D |
| 02:28.01 | Kaylin | I remember not having X, the learning curve at the time seemed quite sharp coming from winME |
| 02:28.22 | Kaylin | idk is it still enjoyable? same old unbranded thing with the crazy penguin pipe icon on the website |
| 02:28.31 | Dagmar | It's a lot like managing everything by hand. ;) |
| 02:28.47 | Kaylin | so that's a yes :P |
| 02:28.59 | Gnarfoz | well, I guess Slackware is not the first choice for beginners, unless really willing to learn and put a lot of time into it |
| 02:29.19 | Kaylin | no in retrospect it was probably a bad jumping off point |
| 02:30.30 | Dagmar | Well, when I started using it, that was as fancy as Linux got |
| 02:30.54 | Dagmar | You were either installing Slackware, or you were getting some kernel source from Linus and doing a lot of building |
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| 02:46.24 | Amarande | Kaylin: well, coming from WinME I can see why a Linux distro would be a sharp learning curve |
| 02:46.31 | Amarande | I mean, switching from an OS that doesn't work to one that does :) |
| 02:46.40 | Kaylin | lol tell me about it |
| 02:47.21 | Kraps | :iceburn: |
| 02:47.23 | Kaylin | plus I had zero computer skills so I was like configure X? what's a refresh rate |
| 02:48.45 | Kaylin | and I remember some drama about xorg vs xfree86 |
| 02:48.46 | Kaylin | and idk |
| 02:51.07 | Kaylin | basically HS sucked in general but |
| 02:51.16 | Kaylin | I think that's most people's experience. |
| 02:52.29 | kd3 | wow; http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/vu4w1/what_movie_scene_hits_you_hard_every_time/c57p05k |
| 02:54.30 | Duman | closing in on 3hrs now, apple... I have a hard time understanding how their nameservers have been broken for this long, hmm |
| 02:56.07 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 02:56.17 | Dagmar | Lack of an operations center, probably |
| 02:56.26 | Duman | hard to believe... |
| 02:56.36 | Kaylin | did they tell you it was just working and to restart your computer? |
| 02:56.43 | Dagmar | Either htat or you're hitting the instance they have on EC2-EAST |
| 02:56.44 | Duman | lol |
| 02:56.58 | Dagmar | lolol |
| 02:57.13 | Duman | I've tried hitting all 4 of the nameservers of theirs that I could manage to resolve IPs for... 95% of the time there is no response for any query |
| 02:57.20 | Duman | sometimes they respond after like 10 sec |
| 02:57.29 | Duman | but most resolvers will give up by then, anyway |
| 02:57.45 | Kaylin | just connect to their nameservers and be like hey baby what's up? |
| 02:57.58 | Kaylin | I hear this works |
| 02:57.59 | Dagmar | Deelicious |
| 02:59.25 | kd3 | is ec2-east still having issues? |
| 02:59.34 | kd3 | does some pinging |
| 02:59.43 | Kaylin | pongs kd3 on the head. |
| 03:00.17 | kd3 | looks like it |
| 03:00.44 | kd3 | wait... wasn't us-east-1 the area that went down last time? |
| 03:01.13 | Shadowed | east 1 is notoriously unstable |
| 03:01.44 | Kaylin | what are we talking about anyway? |
| 03:02.28 | Shadowed | AWS |
| 03:02.45 | Kaylin | yes but idk what that is :X |
| 03:02.58 | kd3 | amazon web services |
| 03:03.02 | Kaylin | ah |
| 03:03.03 | kd3 | amazon's version of "the cloud" |
| 03:03.21 | Dagmar | Cept upon closer inspection, their nameservers are on the West Coast. |
| 03:03.38 | Kaylin | lives in Seattle and should go swat them. |
| 03:03.45 | Dagmar | If they went out three hours ago, it was probbaly the leap second killing them |
| 03:03.49 | Dagmar | ...which is just hilarious. |
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| 03:06.02 | End_ | addon not working, why is it not doing anything, oh I unchecked enabled, guess that part works |
| 03:12.26 | Kesavoka | .. is there any way to stretch edgeFiles instead of tiling them? |
| 03:13.17 | Catariana | so uh |
| 03:13.38 | Catariana | guess which new class didn't get their heals hooked up to the UnitGetIncomingHeals/UNIT_HEAL_PREDICTION events |
| 03:13.48 | Catariana | spoiler it's monks |
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| 03:14.57 | Kaylin | damn, not rogues? |
| 03:16.23 | kd3 | I wonder if mages' glyphed evocate got hooked into that |
| 03:18.07 | kd3 | but, bleh. after getting ~150 bales of hay out of the field today (in ~102F heat) and closing work, I get to open tomorrow. I'm amazed I'm still awake |
| 03:18.15 | Parnic_ | [just now signed into beta] i assume all this GetLFGInfoServer() error spam is a client problem, not addon problem? |
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| 03:19.51 | Parnic_ | kd3 do you know if this GetLFGInfoServer() spam is a client bug or addon bug? |
| 03:20.52 | kd3 | does it happen with no addons running? |
| 03:21.18 | Parnic_ | i'll check |
| 03:22.01 | Parnic_ | yeah, /script print(GetLFGMode()) throws an error |
| 03:22.07 | Parnic_ | so any time my mod calls GetLFGMode(), errorville. |
| 03:22.23 | Ackis | Parnic_ and parnic! Twins! |
| 03:22.32 | pompy | Parnic_: 2.5 months |
| 03:22.36 | Parnic_ | yeah i can't remember my bnc login... |
| 03:22.41 | Parnic_ | pompy: wow, ok. :) |
| 03:22.45 | ccox | Duman: it doesn't run iOS, so they don't have anyone who knows how to fix the server |
| 03:23.44 | Parnic_ | in that case, if i can just get a hold of adirelle, i can submit a fix to LibDualSpec and then IceHUD is 5.0-ready. |
| 03:24.11 | Ackis | you keener you |
| 03:26.03 | Parnic_ | new talent system is an odd choice |
| 03:26.33 | Ackis | are you going to be playing wow again? |
| 03:26.37 | Parnic_ | heck no |
| 03:26.56 | Parnic_ | i mean c'mon. pandas? really? |
| 03:27.07 | Catariana | its' actually a pretty good expansion so far |
| 03:27.15 | kd3 | there's a bit more to it than "zomg it's kung fu panda" |
| 03:27.21 | Catariana | aside from questionable decisions w.r.t. to heroic difficulty |
| 03:27.30 | Parnic_ | did heroics get harder or easier? |
| 03:27.34 | Catariana | they're trivial |
| 03:27.37 | Catariana | mindlessly so |
| 03:27.39 | Parnic_ | by design? |
| 03:27.47 | Catariana | yes |
| 03:27.47 | kd3 | probably not |
| 03:27.56 | Catariana | actually yes by design :P |
| 03:28.22 | Ackis | heroics in cata were too hard, heroics in wrath were too easy |
| 03:28.28 | Catariana | they've said that the challenging 5man content is challengemode. heroics are essentially just level 90 dungeons |
| 03:28.32 | Catariana | they're not really 'heroic' anymore |
| 03:28.46 | Parnic_ | cata heroics are one of the things that made me quit wow in the first place |
| 03:28.52 | Parnic_ | i could not keep up on my priest no matter what i did |
| 03:28.59 | Parnic_ | but i wasn't raiding |
| 03:29.28 | Catariana | raid content is pretty baller looking so far |
| 03:29.34 | Catariana | lot of good fights and potential |
| 03:29.36 | Ackis | yeah healing them was stressful at the start, I refused to do pugs |
| 03:29.48 | Ackis | they added the LFR system (Looking For Raid) which is pretty damn good |
| 03:30.20 | Parnic_ | i'm interested in seeing what they do with the GetParty/GetRaid API changes. it looks like "party1" "raid1" etc. are still valid identifiers |
| 03:30.27 | Parnic_ | wondering if those will eventually get phased out for "groupX" |
| 03:31.04 | Catariana | on betaeverything's a raid group |
| 03:31.06 | Parnic_ | but i've got no time to play anyway. Borderlands 2 is going to release itself :P |
| 03:31.47 | Ackis | but once it releases! |
| 03:32.01 | Parnic_ | once it releases i'll need something peaceful to do. not wow |
| 03:32.23 | Catariana | well they are putting in farmville, that sounds kina peaceful |
| 03:32.24 | Catariana | just sayin' |
| 03:32.28 | Ackis | work on borderlands 3? |
| 03:32.28 | Parnic_ | haha |
| 03:32.33 | Parnic_ | ackis: probably. |
| 03:35.32 | Ackis | maybe they'll put you to work on Duke Nuke Em Forever 2 ;) |
| 03:35.40 | Parnic_ | i would refuse |
| 03:36.20 | Parnic_ | there's a reason my name's not in the credits on that game |
| 03:36.44 | Ackis | hehe |
| 03:36.47 | Ackis | I've missed you |
| 03:36.54 | Parnic_ | you're sweet |
| 03:37.01 | Ackis | awww |
| 03:38.09 | Ackis | you know I got married Parnic_? |
| 03:38.41 | Parnic_ | did not know that. congratulations |
| 03:39.01 | Ackis | thank you, wife and I got married in vegas shortly after blizzcon |
| 03:39.24 | Parnic_ | got started on kids yet? |
| 03:39.39 | Ackis | nope lol |
| 03:39.41 | Ackis | just furbabies |
| 03:39.49 | Parnic_ | i have a 1.5yr old. she's a handful. |
| 03:40.04 | Ackis | but wonderful right? |
| 03:40.10 | Parnic_ | most of the time ;) |
| 03:40.16 | Ackis | I recall seeing pictures |
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| 03:42.56 | Dagmar | That's why we invented bungee cords |
| 03:43.56 | Dagmar | I wonder if Valve realized they'd be doing this Pyro patch in the middle of a massive heat wave and drought |
| 03:44.05 | Dagmar | It kinda makes TF2 look a bit heartless |
| 03:44.07 | End_ | haha |
| 03:44.10 | End_ | :< |
| 03:44.20 | End_ | I laughed and then I felt bad |
| 03:44.53 | pompy | Dagmar: actually the Colorado blaze |
| 03:44.54 | pompy | would better fit |
| 03:45.04 | pompy | but its sad what's happening there |
| 03:45.06 | Dagmar | It ain't just Colorado anymore |
| 03:45.11 | End_ | one of my friends lives in Colorado Spings. he told me the air quality was not good when I asked him a few days ago |
| 03:45.21 | End_ | springs* |
| 03:46.09 | pompy | you remember that storm that rolled through indiana, illinois, ohio... then plowing down i-95? >< |
| 03:46.10 | Dagmar | Kentucky and Tennessee are on fire now as well |
| 03:46.18 | pompy | it reached the jersey coast last night at 1am |
| 03:46.21 | pompy | it friggin sucked |
| 03:46.33 | Dagmar | I take it there was some wind? :) |
| 03:46.45 | pompy | yeah and an intense lightning show |
| 03:46.53 | pompy | it was like watching a strobe light |
| 03:47.31 | Dagmar | When/if this breaks here and we go back to having weather which is not "FIRES OF HELL" here, I'll video it |
| 03:48.12 | Zernin | Anyone know if the Beta FrameXML can be found anywhere? |
| 03:48.37 | Parnic_ | zernin: i haven't found it anywhere but can upload a zip if you need it |
| 03:49.04 | Zernin | that would be great, or instructions on how to extract it :) |
| 03:49.05 | Catariana | uh sec |
| 03:49.08 | Dagmar | pompy: I feel your pain, but frankly, I'm used to weather that tries to kill you |
| 03:49.10 | pompy | ~framexml |
| 03:49.10 | purl | from memory, framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 03:49.20 | Parnic_ | or that ^ |
| 03:49.25 | pompy | Dagmar: yar "life or death" storm! |
| 03:49.27 | pompy | >< |
| 03:49.40 | Catariana | oh go-hero has the latest build up, that's nice |
| 03:49.41 | Zernin | ahh, thanks pompy :) |
| 03:49.56 | pompy | Zernin: pm kd3 and he can put you on his diff mailing list |
| 03:50.00 | Dagmar | Those pictures people were floating around yesterday with what they considered scary-looking clouds? I didn't even know what the fuss was about at first |
| 03:50.10 | pompy | yeahh |
| 03:50.38 | pompy | Dagmar: http://vortex.accuweather.com/adc2004/pub/includes/columns/newsstory/2012/401x401_06291635_mdtli2f8ecc.jpg |
| 03:50.39 | Dagmar | 10,000 lightning strikes an hour is actually pretty common for Nashville |
| 03:50.42 | pompy | that was indiana |
| 03:50.55 | Dagmar | Yeah i saw that |
| 03:50.58 | Ackis | oh noes the pirate bay is down :'( |
| 03:51.11 | pompy | http://vortex.accuweather.com/adc2004/pub/includes/columns/newsstory/2012/300x225_06291832_401x301_06291638_l93hhh.jpg that was chicago |
| 03:51.14 | pompy | like wth |
| 03:51.56 | Catariana | also wow i just saw meet the pyro thanks to someone in here mentioning it |
| 03:52.02 | Catariana | that's easily the best one they've made |
| 03:52.18 | Dagmar | Catariana: I am a little miffed. I don't see anything but some balloons and confetti instead of fire |
| 03:52.52 | pompy | Dagmar: http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/474510_10150926458010735_84936975_o.jpg a little bit south of me |
| 03:53.13 | Dagmar | Oh that sucks for someone |
| 03:53.40 | Dagmar | You should try Nashville sometime tho. heh |
| 03:54.03 | Dagmar | 35mph gusts are awesome on a bike |
| 03:54.30 | Dagmar | My main concern at this point is exactly _when_ it's going to break |
| 03:54.45 | Dagmar | When this high pressure leaves, if we still have all this heat, the world may actually end |
| 03:55.18 | Dagmar | When storms roll through here and it's 85F it tends to be vicious nasty stuff that leaves debris everywhere |
| 03:55.47 | Dagmar | It doesn't even bear _thinking_ about what's going to happen if it's 20 degrees higher |
| 03:57.23 | End_ | huh durotar is causing my beta client ot hang |
| 03:57.43 | Catariana | issues with cross-realm zones |
| 03:57.52 | End_ | that would make sense |
| 03:58.32 | End_ | I wonder if premade characters start with any minipets |
| 03:58.59 | End_ | (updating one of my addons) |
| 03:59.03 | pompy | Dagmar: http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82632836/ no clue why they even planned on having the game that day |
| 03:59.09 | pompy | revenge of the killer tarp! >< |
| 03:59.20 | Catariana | they really need to get MoP out the door sooner rather than later. i'm ready for new content :< |
| 04:00.13 | pompy | apparently the minor leagues and maybe even the mlb has to invest into http://baseballtips.com/field-equipment/maintenance/wind-weighted-tarp.html lol. |
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| 04:02.47 | End_ | haha |
| 04:03.01 | End_ | it didn't like my premade mage being in the jade forest |
| 04:08.22 | Kaylin | this @ catariana |
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| 04:09.14 | Catariana | hm? |
| 04:15.04 | karl_w_w | work on a sunday? poor blu |
| 04:17.25 | pompy | Dagmar: http://www.newjerseyweather.com/new-jersey-lightning.html oh great |
| 04:17.50 | bluworkcow | :( ya rly |
| 04:21.02 | Ackis | bluworkcow is my favourite aussie |
| 04:27.22 | Kaylin | tied with my friend matt but he's glined so not on freenode >_> |
| 04:28.27 | bluworkcow | Ackis is my favourite Mexican |
| 04:28.54 | Ackis | s/mexican/mericun/ |
| 04:29.21 | Kaylin | prove it /troll arizona challenge |
| 04:33.53 | Ackis | interesting, wife and I are discussing which stinks more: my armpits or "balls" |
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| 04:36.48 | Parnic | !seen adirelle |
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| 04:41.26 | Ackis | ~seen adirelle |
| 04:41.27 | purl | adirelle <~Adirelle@tok69-5-82-235-150-60.fbx.proxad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 205d 7h 54m 51s ago, saying: 'nevcairiel, LibBabble-Inventory-3.0 needs to be updated : ptBR strings have been added into the localization system since r141.'. |
| 04:41.49 | Parnic | oh boy. so i'm SOL on that one :P |
| 04:45.54 | Mr_Rabies | trying to fix adibags? |
| 04:46.04 | Parnic | no, trying to submit a fix for LibDualSpec for 5.0 |
| 04:46.21 | Parnic | might just have to repackage it as not-a-lib for the time being |
| 04:53.10 | pompy | Parnic: it might just be asking for your cf username/pass |
| 04:55.04 | Parnic | tried that, no go. |
| 04:55.10 | Catariana | ( 21:33:50 ) ( Ackis ) interesting, wife and I are discussing which stinks more: my armpits or "balls" |
| 04:55.12 | Parnic | supplied my cf priv key/pass |
| 04:55.19 | Catariana | saving this for when my friends ask me why I don't understand straight people. |
| 04:56.01 | Unkle | Don't bother. Ackis is a class by himself. |
| 04:57.59 | Catariana | amazingly he's really not |
| 04:58.01 | Catariana | :P |
| 05:04.21 | Catariana | you know there's a part of me |
| 05:04.26 | Catariana | whoops |
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| 05:32.49 | Thunder_Child | Catariana: people are people. If it was two guys the question would be "Who's balls are more stinky?" instead. |
| 05:33.19 | Catariana | is it just a dude thing then or what |
| 05:33.46 | Thunder_Child | nope, it's a people thing |
| 05:33.53 | Thunder_Child | i was just using that as an example |
| 05:34.55 | Dagmar | So this guy got in trouble at work for refusing to wear a sticker celebrating 666 days without an accident |
| 05:35.17 | Thunder_Child | he should have just caused an accident |
| 05:35.19 | Thunder_Child | then |
| 05:35.20 | Dagmar | If he was that upset about the idea, he should have just cut himself |
| 05:35.31 | Ackis | Parnic: what's wrong? |
| 05:35.47 | AcidWeb | "Clock: inserting leap second 23:59:60 UTC" |
| 05:35.52 | Dagmar | "Oops. I fell and bruised my knee. Back to work now?" |
| 05:35.58 | AcidWeb | So what you done with yours additional second? :P |
| 05:36.10 | Dagmar | AcidWeb: If that's the only thing you're seeing out of place, be happy |
| 05:36.51 | Catariana | pretty sure i've never argued over whose ladybits are more stinky with a gf Thunder_Child :P |
| 05:36.56 | Arrowmaster | leap seconds finally do what nobody else has managed to do, bring down thepiratebay |
| 05:37.04 | Dagmar | lol |
| 05:37.29 | Dagmar | The thing that is incredibly hilarious about this is that we could have just ignored the leap second and let NTPd work around it |
| 05:37.53 | Thunder_Child | Catariana: give it time. It needs a certain comfort level. |
| 05:38.02 | Catariana | mmm. |
| 05:38.04 | Catariana | if you say so. |
| 05:38.23 | Thunder_Child | Ackis's ability to post that in here notwithstanding |
| 05:39.25 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 05:40.12 | pompy | http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/leap-added-clock-blink-eye-article-1.1105600 |
| 05:40.14 | pompy | "Days are about two milliseconds longer than they were two milliseconds longer than they were 100 years ago." |
| 05:40.18 | pompy | english bro? |
| 05:40.38 | Dagmar | THis is punishment for people *too* obsessed with their system clocks. |
| 05:41.30 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if the reason some apps seem to be using tons of cpu usage on my desktop is related to this |
| 05:42.10 | Arrowmaster | IT IS |
| 05:42.21 | Arrowmaster | i just read http://blog.mozilla.org/it/2012/06/30/mysql-and-the-leap-second-high-cpu-and-the-fix/ |
| 05:42.21 | Catariana | leap seconds officially worse than y2k |
| 05:42.37 | Kaylin | actually, that's probably true >_> |
| 05:42.41 | Arrowmaster | so i stopped ntp and ran date -s "`date`" |
| 05:43.02 | Arrowmaster | and firefox went from constantly using over 100% cpu usage to barely nothing |
| 05:43.35 | Arrowmaster | i had already killed and restarted firefox earlier and it didnt stop it from constantly using over 100% |
| 05:44.05 | pompy | :O http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/partially-cooked-squid-inseminates-woman-mouth-article-1.1097250 |
| 05:45.02 | Catariana | use windows problem solved |
| 05:45.12 | Kaylin | well, one of them |
| 05:52.37 | bluipodcow | Old prompt |
| 05:52.48 | bluipodcow | old pompy |
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| 05:56.17 | Yoshimo | GetQuestsCompleted() -- previously deprecated, where does this comment come from? IsQuestFlaggedCompleted is not as powerfull as this |
| 05:57.36 | pompy | bluipodcow: nah |
| 06:09.03 | pompy | Arrowmaster: the underlying cause of the firefox issue is a kernel bug apparently .. http://blog.mozilla.org/it/2012/06/30/mysql-and-the-leap-second-high-cpu-and-the-fix/comment-page-1/#comment-1472 |
| 06:09.29 | Arrowmaster | wrong |
| 06:09.49 | Arrowmaster | they are claiming that was fixed in 2.6, im running 3.2 |
| 06:10.14 | Arrowmaster | it might still be a kernel bug but its not the one they think it is |
| 06:11.08 | pompy | http://serverfault.com/questions/403732/anyone-else-experiencing-high-rates-of-linux-server-crashes-during-a-leap-second |
| 06:11.41 | pompy | https://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=6b43ae8a619d17c4935c3320d2ef9e92bdeed05d |
| 06:11.51 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 06:11.56 | Arrowmaster | ive seen all the links |
| 06:53.50 | bluipodcow | Be back later |
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| 08:07.36 | mikma | haste: http://imgur.com/gallery/y7X0q |
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| 08:10.06 | haste | mikma: "So if I wear my pants down lower, my penis will grow?" |
| 08:10.09 | haste | :D |
| 08:11.29 | mikma | haste: sometimes i love physics |
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| 09:01.49 | Jamash | http://imgur.com/gallery/gAlhe |
| 09:01.51 | Jamash | do want |
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| 09:25.21 | Wobin | Antiarc: Should I bug you about 1r7 then migrate my bookmarks off it and never speak of it again? =) |
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| 09:35.51 | Silvanas | do i got to ask here to join the Players vs AddOns on eu in MoP Beta ? |
| 09:46.25 | bluipodcow | There's a wow interface thread for that in case no ones up on eu beta I think |
| 10:03.08 | Yoshimo | the one that i found says to come here^^ |
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| 10:11.01 | Silvanas | yeh same for me Yoshimo :D |
| 10:15.05 | Silvanas | anyone happent to know the TOC version for MoP? i gues 501000 |
| 10:25.56 | p3lim | 50000 |
| 10:26.06 | p3lim | if not, 50001 |
| 10:29.11 | haste | 50001 |
| 10:29.27 | p3lim | I guessed, betas follow that pattern usually |
| 10:31.03 | p3lim | GetBuildInfo() tells you |
| 10:33.45 | haste | does opengl rendering act odd on windows? |
| 10:34.36 | haste | in MoP that is |
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| 10:50.44 | Kodiack | Haste, OpenGL seems to outright cause a game crash for me in the MoP beta |
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| 11:01.45 | sylvanaar | local MOP = select(4, GetBuildInfo()) >= 50000 |
| 11:02.07 | sylvanaar | bleh |
| 11:04.05 | haste | Kodiack: it "works" here :P |
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| 11:05.36 | haste | http://imgur.com/a/33Ag2 with some side-effects |
| 11:10.42 | Kodiack | olawd |
| 11:11.13 | Kodiack | What graphics card do you have? Running some AMD cards here, so their drivers might be the problem (wouldn't surprise me - the entire beta's been a bumpy experience with 'em) |
| 11:14.11 | haste | GeForce GTX 570 HD |
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| 11:18.23 | Fisker | haste |
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| 11:22.40 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 11:23.32 | karl_w_w | how do you tell it to use opengl? |
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| 11:29.57 | haste | karl_w_w: SET gxApi "OpenGL |
| 11:31.01 | karl_w_w | Exception:0xC0000090 (FLT_INVALID_OPERATION) at 001B:5DC42FB2 |
| 11:33.25 | haste | scumbag rhonin is spamming me :( |
| 11:33.36 | Kodiack | Karl, that's the same crash I'm seeing. |
| 11:34.04 | Kodiack | So I assume it's probably just dependent on GPU manufacturer. Either way, it sounds like there's a problem on Blizzard's end. |
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| 11:40.19 | Yoshimo | in this mop beta i curse myself for enjoying a lot of addons, this freeze on vendoring is hard to detect... disabling addons retesting, disabling more^ |
| 11:43.06 | haste | do a binary search! |
| 11:46.18 | Yoshimo | i still have to click like crazy^^ |
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| 12:55.24 | karl_w_w | man I'm not a gambler but seriously |
| 12:55.42 | karl_w_w | offering $2.70 for murray to reach the final of wimbledon |
| 12:57.06 | karl_w_w | he only really needs to beat (del potro or ferrer) and tsonga |
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| 13:33.07 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/5978119970 |
| 13:33.09 | bluspacecow | lulz. |
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| 13:45.20 | Kodiack | Blu, hi |
| 13:46.05 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.07 | bluspacecow | salty! |
| 14:11.31 | Amarande | Wow, I'm actually making a decent amount of money as mining/engineering as my only character on this particular server. Just dinged 20, already have 100+g and some stuff still on the AH |
| 14:11.46 | Amarande | I considered herbalism/inscription like my old Alliance mage, but I figured it a good idea to wait till MoP to start a scribe now :S |
| 14:12.13 | Adys | Arrowmaster: in a shell script, if I want to check if a user is root, is it better to check for id -u == 0 or whoami == root? |
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| 14:12.33 | bluspacecow | yeah i go 2 gathering profs on a new toon usually |
| 14:12.34 | Amarande | UID, definitely |
| 14:12.38 | bluspacecow | tons of money in it |
| 14:12.51 | Amarande | bluspacecow: actually, a metal-using profession works nearly as well if you know how to game it :) |
| 14:13.03 | Adys | Amarande: i figure it would be but i dont know |
| 14:13.03 | bluspacecow | cheater! |
| 14:13.08 | bluspacecow | meh |
| 14:13.15 | bluspacecow | like they say in the auction biz |
| 14:13.16 | Amarande | Point the first, never buy anything off of the AH unless it's something you *can't* gather on your own regardless of how patient you are |
| 14:13.25 | bluspacecow | if you're not cheating the competition your not even trying :P |
| 14:13.37 | Amarande | (for engi, that means leather, and perhaps eventually gems once you're high level and richer) |
| 14:13.50 | arkanes | not sure how portable it is, but you can use $EUID |
| 14:14.22 | Adys | arkanes: whats the difference between that and $UID |
| 14:14.31 | Amarande | Point the second, there are a number of sweet spots that make for lots of surplus materials to sell for gold |
| 14:14.32 | arkanes | Adys: effective vs actual ID |
| 14:14.49 | Adys | meaning? |
| 14:14.58 | arkanes | EUID will change when you su, for example |
| 14:15.01 | arkanes | UID won't |
| 14:15.15 | Amarande | I'm actually regarding the rarity of tin as an advantage here. The main thing is, eventually, you have to work with bronze, and you'll probably need quite a lot of it |
| 14:15.28 | Adys | arkanes: I just tried, they both do |
| 14:15.28 | Amarande | During the amount of time it takes to gather enough tin to make the bronze you need, you'll get a huge amount of extra copper that you can sell. |
| 14:16.14 | arkanes | if you su into a new shell, then the UID in the new shell will be root, of course |
| 14:16.16 | Amarande | Also as engi, you can apparently go directly from bronze to mithril without ever needing to touch iron except but once to make your micro-adjustor. |
| 14:16.20 | arkanes | but if you su a command directly, it shouldn't be |
| 14:17.31 | Adys | arkanes: I tried sudo echo $EUID vs $UID; shouldnt that replicate it? |
| 14:17.52 | arkanes | sudo is different |
| 14:18.30 | Amarande | oddly, during my time as a Linux user, I think I never even actually used sudo |
| 14:18.32 | Adys | arkanes: I also tried su -c "echo $EUID $UID" they're no different |
| 14:18.39 | arkanes | well, sometimes they will be |
| 14:18.45 | Adys | kay |
| 14:18.53 | arkanes | also it matters for setuid executables |
| 14:24.57 | Adys | anyone available to help me figure out whats going on in a django+wsgi+apache2 setup? |
| 14:25.33 | Amarande | hmm. something I'd like to see in a future wow patch. just a little fun thing, not really important to gameplay but would be fun |
| 14:25.51 | Amarande | at the character select screen if you idle on a character for a bit, it does a little casting or attack animation |
| 14:25.58 | Amarande | where appropriate, it would be fun to see that be chosen according to their spec :) |
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| 14:31.52 | karl_w_w | <Amarande> Point the first, never buy anything off of the AH unless it's something you *can't* gather on your own regardless of how patient you are <- incorrect |
| 14:33.48 | karl_w_w | truth: always buy what you need from the AH unless it is, or is close to, the thing that you can earn the most gold per time spent gathering/farming/grinding |
| 14:34.48 | karl_w_w | people who go out and spend 30 minutes grinding linen when they could spend a few gold and get everything they need amazes me |
| 14:35.01 | karl_w_w | when you can easily grind 1k gold in that time |
| 14:35.07 | karl_w_w | without even trying |
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| 14:37.09 | Amarande | I guess it depends on your profession. When it's something like engineering that sees little profit until highish levels if at all, and you're still on copper and bronze ... heh |
| 14:37.09 | Nimhfree | Yoshimo, are you there? |
| 14:37.36 | Amarande | and the copper-tin ratio is such that if you wait patiently to have all the tin you need from mining, you get loads of extra copper that you can sell at 30g a stack, that's what I mean :) |
| 14:41.55 | Amarande | Cloth might be worth buying, leather you *have* to buy (since you have no room for skinning). Metal, on the other hand, looks to be best dealt with by the "wait until you find enough nodes, and sell the excesses of other metals you find meanwhile" route. |
| 14:44.13 | Amarande | IOW, "dammit, there's barely any tin!" is missing the point, it's "yay look at all that extra shiny copper that turns into even shinier gold" |
| 14:44.40 | Amarande | Or, at least, if you're going to buy some tin, you should wait until you've reached the point in levelling in which you mostly only find iron. |
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| 14:45.30 | Amarande | But, the time to use the AH is *after* you're about to level past the areas in which the resource would be found naturally, and then see if you still don't have enough. |
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| 14:55.17 | bluspacecow | spotify users is there any easy way to take a play list someone has shared and check what tracks you *don't* have in your itunes ? |
| 14:56.46 | Amarande | also: mobs that cast Rain of Fire = love. |
| 14:57.04 | Amarande | I still remember one particular elite ogre in Alterac Mountains back in pre-cata who was laughably easy precisely because he had this spell. |
| 15:02.58 | bluspacecow | gut him from behind as he was too busy casting this spell ? |
| 15:04.56 | Amarande | heh, pretty much |
| 15:05.15 | Amarande | and he would do it about three or four times before running out of mana, so you had plenty of time to take him out without taking any damage as long as you moved the moment he started casting |
| 15:05.27 | Amarande | (which is good, because when he did go OOM he did hit like a truck) |
| 15:07.37 | Amarande | Mobs that cast Blizzard have got to be just as laughable |
| 15:07.51 | Amarande | pretty much anything that does a channeled AoE that you as a player would have to put down a targeting reticle to do |
| 15:09.03 | mckenziemc | puts down Amarande |
| 15:35.01 | Amarande | huh. when did the mobs around the Vector Coil on bloodmyst stop being elite |
| 15:38.42 | Kodiack | Gah, can't get this drive to format as WBFS. /rage |
| 15:42.53 | Kodiack | And...there we go. Formatting it as NTFS first worked, but FAT32 did not. /confused |
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| 15:43.44 | Silvanas | hello |
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| 16:04.26 | Jamash | warner bros file system? |
| 16:06.53 | Silvanas | the players vs addon guild seems quite empty unless they are all on horde side :D |
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| 16:13.48 | Ackis | Cairenn|afk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBI68Il4Zsc |
| 16:16.37 | Jamash | canada: mexico's hat's hat #tf2 |
| 16:17.25 | Kodiack | http://youtu.be/HDI2EmYH98I |
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| 16:19.43 | Jamash | I guessed that was gonna be meet the modern heavy before I clicked on it |
| 16:20.56 | Jamash | I like how he's wearing two pairs of sunglasses |
| 16:24.32 | Kodiack | I like how the bullet's wearing a hat. |
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| 16:56.55 | karl_w_w | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-29/vivendi-said-to-plan-sale-of-stake-in-activision-blizzard.html |
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| 17:15.11 | Kraps | karl_w_w, ahhhhh i though that was a rumor |
| 17:17.36 | Amarande | heh |
| 17:17.39 | Amarande | "Vivendi Chairman Jean-Rene Fourtou is under pressure from investors to restructure his company and boost the stock price from a near nine-year low. The board had discussed a sale of part or all of its stake in publicly held Activision, maker of the “World of Warcraft” and “Call of Duty” titles ..." |
| 17:17.56 | Amarande | "Yay, the company's been losing steam! Let's sell off one of its most reliably profitable divisions." |
| 17:17.57 | Cairenn|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.07 | Amarande | And this is why the world economy is in a shambles these days, folks. :P |
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| 17:19.13 | Amarande | That's up there on the economic wisdom scale along with the guy who kept raising the price of something he was trying to sell on ebay every time it failed to sell |
| 17:19.22 | Amarande | Because, you know, if it doesn't sell at $500 it's totally going to sell for $750. |
| 17:22.42 | bluspacecow | happy maple syrup day Cairenn|afk |
| 17:23.15 | Cairenn|afk | hehehe |
| 17:23.34 | Torhal | overfeeds bluspacecow on pancakes and waffles. |
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| 17:23.42 | bluspacecow | X_X |
| 17:23.43 | Cairenn|afk | disappears to head downtown for the festivities |
| 17:23.43 | Kaylin | mmm waffles |
| 17:23.57 | Ackis | creates some fireworks |
| 17:24.04 | Torhal | In bluspacecow? |
| 17:24.06 | Torhal | Whoah. |
| 17:24.34 | Ackis | Torhal: log in to msn |
| 17:24.51 | Torhal | But if I do that EVERYONE will want to talk to me. S'why I leave it off when I'm home now. |
| 17:25.03 | Ackis | pussy |
| 17:25.08 | Torhal | Fucker. |
| 17:25.36 | Kodiack | O_o |
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| 17:33.21 | Amarande | hmm, reading over patch notes from what changed during the time I took a break from WoW |
| 17:33.28 | Amarande | ah, no wonder so many high level guilds are bought and sold in trade nowadays |
| 17:34.10 | Silvanas | the guild perks? |
| 17:34.29 | Amarande | Silvanas: the fact that back in the day a guild would just be disbanded when it reached the end of its useful life |
| 17:34.54 | Amarande | now, guilds of level 3 or higher can only change hands, they can never be removed from the server, and thus always have to have at least one character take membership of them |
| 17:35.05 | Amarande | 4.2.0 patch notes |
| 17:35.28 | Silvanas | ah i see i missed that :D |
| 17:35.54 | Amarande | I was about to think of what happens if someone bought a guild and then deleted the character, but then I seem to recall that you can't delete a character who currently owns a guild, either |
| 17:36.20 | Amarande | which means ... about the only way in which a guild of level 3+ can conceivably stop existing is if it's purchased by someone who is later banned from WoW |
| 17:37.24 | SDPhantom | technicly, it would still exist, I doubt they remove the character form the game permanently |
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| 18:08.19 | F16Gaming | *login to live* *receive numerous errors* *forgot to switch back to live version of addons* |
| 18:08.35 | bluspacecow | lul |
| 18:15.28 | nevcairiel | why would you have a shared addon folder anyway |
| 18:16.23 | nevcairiel | or any other odd reason to have anything but live versions in that folder :p |
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| 18:28.06 | F16Gaming | nevcairiel: i have my own addons in dropbox and share them across various installations |
| 18:28.09 | F16Gaming | and computers |
| 18:29.17 | arkanes | I stuck all mine in hg for a while and branched them as neccesary but it was more trouble than it was worth when updating so I stopped |
| 18:30.17 | Zernin | I just have the curse client pointed to both of my installations seperately |
| 18:31.22 | karl_w_w | ^ |
| 18:32.07 | karl_w_w | apparently contrary to earlier statements, I am a gambling man |
| 18:32.16 | Shadowed | nevcairiel did you fix ace3 yet |
| 18:34.44 | Shadowed | oh you did |
| 18:34.49 | Shadowed | how handy |
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| 18:37.33 | karl_w_w | "Yak Price Increase" did anyone else find that oddly amusing? |
| 18:37.38 | sylvanaar | wonder when they added this GetAddOnOptionalDependencies() |
| 18:38.40 | Arrowmaster | must be new |
| 18:39.08 | Shadowed | is there a changelog of 5.0 stuff yet |
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| 18:43.45 | foxlit | sylvanaar: 4.1 |
| 18:44.26 | sylvanaar | i just happened to see it when I was tabcompleting in the game |
| 18:45.28 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar: no, its not new |
| 18:45.32 | jnwhiteh | I have it in build 13707 |
| 18:45.40 | jnwhiteh | ah, foxlit already said that :P |
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| 19:00.56 | Shadowed | huh, is the TOC not 50000? |
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| 19:01.15 | SDPhantom | it's 50001 |
| 19:01.23 | Shadowed | that would do it |
| 19:04.32 | Arrowmaster | hmm debian wheezy was frozen yesterday, i guess this means i may still have a chance of winning the release pool |
| 19:04.56 | Arrowmaster | ive got 2012-12-12 in the pool |
| 19:05.00 | sylvanaar | GetAddOnMetadata("Ace3", "X-Category") doesnt work for me on beta |
| 19:05.17 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: somebody was saying the X- stuff wasnt working at all |
| 19:05.25 | sylvanaar | yes, it isnt |
| 19:05.39 | Arrowmaster | did you try GetAddOnMetadata("Ace3", "Category") |
| 19:05.43 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 19:06.22 | sylvanaar | you can put "Author" still though |
| 19:07.13 | SDPhantom | what about "Version"? |
| 19:07.53 | SDPhantom | actually, I might already have an answer for that, let me check |
| 19:08.03 | Arrowmaster | anything thats an officially supported metadata should still work |
| 19:08.05 | sylvanaar | i'd guess it works. you get that info via other apis too |
| 19:08.11 | Arrowmaster | its just the X- ones thats broken |
| 19:08.16 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 19:08.20 | SDPhantom | ya, "Version" works |
| 19:09.10 | sylvanaar | my guess is it is whitelisted now |
| 19:09.15 | SDPhantom | ok, I was checking since "Author" and "Version" aren't actually used by the default UI |
| 19:09.55 | sylvanaar | neither is GetAddOnOptionalDependencies |
| 19:27.36 | Shadowed | Offhand anyone know who can dispel enrage in MoP |
| 19:27.42 | Shadowed | I have Druids listed, but I don't remember why |
| 19:27.58 | SDPhantom | they had Soothe to do it in cata |
| 19:28.04 | Shadowed | oh right |
| 19:28.29 | SDPhantom | hunters had tranq shot too |
| 19:28.34 | Shadowed | had? |
| 19:28.43 | SDPhantom | don't know if it's in MoP |
| 19:28.50 | Shadowed | k will double check then, thanks |
| 19:28.52 | arkanes | rogues |
| 19:29.03 | arkanes | via shiv |
| 19:29.15 | arkanes | dunno about who else |
| 19:29.42 | arkanes | the built in UI stuff knows about this already and it shows enrages as dispellable for rogues so you can probably rely on that |
| 19:29.55 | Shadowed | The built in UI isn't reliable |
| 19:30.14 | arkanes | well, it is for rogues :( |
| 19:30.26 | Shadowed | They might have improved it with MoP, but it wasn't reliable with talents in cata/previous expansions |
| 19:30.33 | Shadowed | it couldn't handle talented cures correclty |
| 19:30.44 | arkanes | I don't think there are any more talented dispels |
| 19:30.46 | Shadowed | although since they aren't talented anymore |
| 19:31.33 | sylvanaar | what are the new group chat indicators? anyone have an example output? |
| 19:31.44 | sylvanaar | for like {g1} in a raid |
| 19:36.46 | Arrowmaster | awesome, i got a simple hostname for my phone setup on my network without having to actually change my phones hostname from android-69ded236fb04ecaa |
| 19:41.20 | Arrowmaster | i found out how to create cnames in dnsmasq |
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| 19:44.54 | Torhal | Ok, CurseForge update - you can now make MoP versions. Just make sure your ToC is set to 50001 and if you're manually uploading, select 5.0.1 as the version. |
| 19:46.24 | Jaxom | thanks |
| 19:47.20 | Shadowed | Torhal I forgot, if I upload an alpha tagged as MoP are idiots going to get it in Cata for pulling alpha versions |
| 19:47.55 | Torhal | They shouldn't. If they do, I get to complain to the people who can fix that. |
| 19:48.07 | Torhal | Just make sure the ToC is correct and they shouldn't. |
| 19:48.11 | Shadowed | kk |
| 19:48.15 | Jaxom | i would have said yes |
| 19:48.17 | Torhal | If it still says 40300, they will. |
| 19:48.38 | Torhal | And if it's a manual upload (non-VCS) you have to pick the correct version as well. |
| 19:48.46 | sylvanaar | you can just check load out of date still in the beta |
| 19:49.07 | Torhal | Yah, but it will be tagged as 4.3.4 on Curse and the client will happily "update" for people. |
| 19:49.32 | Torhal | This is a method of having two concurrent versions rather than adding version-checks in the code. |
| 19:49.45 | Jaxom | good idea |
| 19:50.29 | nevcairiel | unless you use manual zip uploading, how does the packager allow two concurrent versions properly? :p |
| 19:50.38 | nevcairiel | or did it learn to package branches now |
| 19:54.48 | sylvanaar | seems like you would have to move to 50001 and use zips to update your 4.x versions from then on |
| 19:55.14 | nevcairiel | but you cant combine packager and zips |
| 19:55.23 | arkanes | well if you did 2 commits, one wit a 4.x and one with a 5.x toc |
| 19:55.25 | sylvanaar | i didnt know that |
| 19:55.31 | arkanes | presumably it'd give the latest 4.x version out? |
| 19:55.51 | arkanes | that's a crappy way to do things, but maybe it would work |
| 19:55.53 | nevcairiel | and how the hell would you maintain two separate versions in the same branch? :p |
| 19:55.55 | sylvanaar | well. if you can just change the toc number and your code works in both places it isnt really an issue |
| 19:56.07 | sylvanaar | but yeah |
| 19:56.11 | arkanes | nevcairiel: you wouldn't, just every time you commit you'd do a second commit right after with the changed toc |
| 19:56.15 | arkanes | but yes, crap |
| 19:56.25 | nevcairiel | if your code works in both places, just stick to 40300, and beta peopel can figure out to tick the checkbox |
| 19:56.33 | sylvanaar | if your code was significantly different it would not make sense |
| 19:56.54 | arkanes | my code works in both places but I just set tocs to 50001 and let live people stick with the old version |
| 19:57.28 | sylvanaar | you could use tags on a multiheaded repo to generate zips |
| 19:58.12 | nevcairiel | we could just punch prencher and Torhal until they make the packager play nice with such things, like allowing us to specify a branch to package in addition to trunk/master :p |
| 19:58.55 | Torhal | The packager reads the ToC version and tags the file appropriately based on the game version info. |
| 20:01.49 | sylvanaar | i havent tried pushing a multiheaded repository - seems like you could push a second head and alternate tags to make zips |
| 20:01.50 | arkanes | I'm in favor of punch-based development as a software methodology |
| 20:02.16 | sylvanaar | just turn off alphas |
| 20:03.04 | nevcairiel | You can just tag whatever commit you want, any simple repo with some branches will do |
| 20:03.14 | nevcairiel | doubt the packager cares where a tag came from |
| 20:03.38 | Zernin | you can tag off a branch |
| 20:03.47 | Zernin | so just create your MoP branch, and tag from that |
| 20:04.37 | Zernin | that way you can keep your trunk as live, and not have to do all the crazy wow version checking in your code |
| 20:05.10 | nevcairiel | this is assuming the curse client is actually smart enough to figure out not to send mop versions to people running live |
| 20:05.20 | nevcairiel | which i still doubt, but am too lazy to test :P |
| 20:05.43 | arkanes | go ahead and package a mop bartender |
| 20:05.46 | arkanes | what could possibly go wrong |
| 20:05.55 | nevcairiel | its not even fixed it |
| 20:05.58 | nevcairiel | i was too lazy |
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| 20:06.02 | arkanes | who cares! |
| 20:06.03 | foxlit | heh, there are globals on beta that grep is refusing to acknowledge exist in XML. |
| 20:06.04 | nevcairiel | actually, i played d3 all weekend |
| 20:06.18 | nevcairiel | foxlit: try looking in the lua instead? :p |
| 20:06.18 | sylvanaar | it can check the file version of the wow.exe |
| 20:06.26 | sylvanaar | that is good enough for mop |
| 20:06.27 | foxlit | nevcairiel: s/XML/FrameXML/ |
| 20:06.28 | Zernin | "wow raiding grinded to a halt today as a new version of bartender not intended for live made every single player a bunch of slobbering idiots" |
| 20:06.36 | arkanes | foxlit: gluexml and addons, too |
| 20:06.50 | foxlit | gluexml should be unloaded, no? |
| 20:06.54 | nevcairiel | i thought so |
| 20:07.01 | arkanes | well, addons at least |
| 20:07.01 | Arrowmaster | list of stuff effected by the leap year bug http://blog.windfluechter.net/content/blog/2012/07/01/1481-100-cpu-load-due-leap-second |
| 20:07.06 | foxlit | and this grep includes addons. |
| 20:07.34 | arkanes | impossibru! |
| 20:07.42 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: pretty much any java application, even minecraft servers :p |
| 20:07.53 | nevcairiel | stupid virtualbox thing had me confused last night |
| 20:07.55 | Arrowmaster | s/leap year/leap second/ |
| 20:07.58 | nevcairiel | i was wtf'ing on its cpu usage |
| 20:07.59 | foxlit | so, internet, find me where LE_PARTY_CATEGORY_HOME is declared :) |
| 20:08.12 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: i think its a JRE bug |
| 20:08.31 | Arrowmaster | especially since you know how java has its own tz database for some fucking reason |
| 20:08.54 | nevcairiel | cross platform reasons i bet |
| 20:09.04 | arkanes | probably some supposedly incrementing timestamp and an assert to make sure it doesn't go backwards |
| 20:09.26 | Arrowmaster | weve only ever added seconds i think |
| 20:11.44 | nevcairiel | foxlit: i can see it being used in places, and i assume you /dump'ed it in game ... soo, i suppose it may be C for whatever weird reason? |
| 20:12.09 | arkanes | there's a bunch of new constants with that LE_ prefix |
| 20:12.13 | arkanes | I'm not sure what it stands for |
| 20:14.26 | nevcairiel | maybe those globals are values that change depending on some server variables, and are therefor set from C |
| 20:14.28 | nevcairiel | i dunno |
| 20:14.31 | nevcairiel | wild guesses here |
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| 20:41.50 | Silvanas | does anyknow if there is a way to know if the client runs the 4.3 of 5.0 for backward compatibility? |
| 20:42.32 | arkanes | what? |
| 20:42.46 | nevcairiel | GetBuildInfo() |
| 20:42.48 | Thunder_Child | ^ |
| 20:42.56 | nevcairiel | 4 parameters, last one is the interface version |
| 20:43.03 | Thunder_Child | damit nevcairiel, get out of the way of my caret |
| 20:43.41 | Silvanas | ah cool was thiking about expansionLevel myzelf but that will not work ofcourse :D |
| 20:44.00 | nevcairiel | s/parameters/return values( |
| 20:44.04 | nevcairiel | grr |
| 20:44.06 | nevcairiel | damn typing |
| 20:44.09 | nevcairiel | goes to sleep |
| 20:47.41 | Fisker | good night nevcairiel |
| 20:48.05 | Fisker | i hope you never have to go through the pain of seeing your package in germany |
| 20:48.18 | Catariana | is that like a metaphorical state? |
| 20:48.23 | Catariana | when one's package is in germany, or something |
| 20:51.45 | Fisker | it is that which noone should experience for themselves |
| 21:01.29 | Thunder_Child | with Fisker he could quite possibly be talking in the not litteral sense |
| 21:14.35 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn|afk: more reasons to be pissed at facebook for this email bullshit http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57464415-93/facebook-e-mail-mess-address-books-altered-e-mail-lost/ |
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