| 00:00.03 | Shadowd | Still waiting for an UBRS change list |
| 00:00.10 | SP|Sorren | they were only hard before the put in the first player caps on it |
| 00:00.12 | Codayus | LBRS is now 10-man capped. If someone was 15-manning LBRS, I'm going to cry. |
| 00:00.45 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 00:01.04 | Shadowd | Wouldn't be suprising! |
| 00:01.18 | Codayus | I saw someone talking about a plate helm that dropped of Gyth. Gyth's Skill of Shadow Resistance - 509 armor, 20 stam, 15 shadow resist, 9 defense. Why....yes, I would like one of thsoe in nature resist form, thank you kindly... :-P |
| 00:01.18 | Shouryuu | God damn it I hate posting alts! |
| 00:01.54 | SP|Sorren | y |
| 00:02.02 | Shadowd | Wow thats pretty nice |
| 00:02.06 | Kirkburn | Maybe LBRS will become mroe popular? |
| 00:02.18 | Shadowd | Helm of the Mountain isn't that bad though |
| 00:03.25 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Crispix (n=Crispy@c-24-7-241-103.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 00:03.30 | Kirkburn | The Pirates are revolting! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-test&t=152411&p=1&tmp=1#post152411 |
| 00:04.10 | Codayus | Shadowd: Meh, 5 less NR, 2 less defense, 20 less stam... |
| 00:04.33 | Codayus | 20 stam is pretty nice for a tank, and more resist and defense is just bonus. :-) |
| 00:04.33 | Shouryuu | we need to kill the bloody SpellStopCasting() thread |
| 00:04.37 | Shadowd | Well, it's not bad considering we wont have it for a month or two still :p |
| 00:04.42 | Codayus | Yeah |
| 00:05.19 | Kirkburn | Phat lewt ... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-realm-test&T=152212&P=1 |
| 00:05.40 | Codayus | Better loot thread: |
| 00:05.41 | Codayus | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-realm-test&T=152058&P=1 |
| 00:05.42 | Shadowd | I wonder how long it'll take the 4/8 set bonus on warlock set to get removed |
| 00:06.09 | Kirkburn | Yes, that's the thread I wanted to link but lost track of :) |
| 00:07.25 | Kirkburn | oh lol, that thread was just down the page from the one I linked ... my one has pictures tho |
| 00:08.10 | Kirkburn | I see no reason to get rid of the set bonus |
| 00:08.21 | Kirkburn | (chance on being hit to fear for 2 secs) |
| 00:08.28 | Kirkburn | It's only 2 seconds |
| 00:08.39 | Codayus | And it's in line with some of the other set bonuses. |
| 00:08.39 | SP|Sorren | it was removed from felheart :P |
| 00:08.46 | Codayus | Was it? Hmm. |
| 00:09.02 | Shadowd | 2 seconds is a lot of time if you're quick though |
| 00:09.14 | Kirkburn | Ninja set bonus! |
| 00:09.24 | Kirkburn | Was it 2 seconds on the felheart? |
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| 00:10.00 | Kirkburn | The stuff they make now is less likely to undergo changes since they've (mostly) got the itemization sorted |
| 00:12.48 | kaiden | Hey guys, i had an idea for an addon i've been thinking is very useful, let me know what you think of this... So i know there are a ton of "blacklist" addons out there but what if someone were to make a wow blackhole service like orbs for e-mail. A website where you can go and access a database of offenders and these offenders are classified ya know ninja, thief, jerk etc... with comments on them for what they did and how many people have had the same pr |
| 00:13.19 | SP|Sorren | i think it was tried |
| 00:13.20 | kaiden | people made on them and what they did etc, and even positive comments would be allowed. Could even have a rating where positive comments brought it up and negative down etc |
| 00:13.23 | SP|Sorren | but never took off |
| 00:14.00 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Iriel (n=daniel@adsl-66-123-190-42.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) |
| 00:14.08 | kaiden | I wonder why, i could so write that and think it would be really useful, at least for me. I'm always leveling up alts and ALWAYS meeting jerks that dont deserve to be playing and of course the gms wont do anything so we possibly could as players with this sort of system |
| 00:14.10 | wereHamster | hi iriel |
| 00:14.28 | kaiden | then again, addons like that are hard to get off the ground i mean look at Call To Arms, it's one of the coolest and it's still not very widespread |
| 00:14.33 | SP|Sorren | i think, by the time you hit 60, you already know who your friends are |
| 00:14.35 | SP|Sorren | ;p |
| 00:15.05 | wereHamster | kaiden, such a site and addon already exists |
| 00:15.08 | kaiden | i know but in the end, for great justice and all that :P make people pay for their crimes hehe |
| 00:15.23 | wereHamster | I can't remember the homepage though.. |
| 00:15.31 | kaiden | so sick of having some thief steal something and then saying oh grow up it's just a game no reason to get mad |
| 00:15.33 | Kirkburn | I never mentioned this about the weather: "I'd also like to note that walking and riding things (e.g. zepplin/mount) makes the rain whip by you. The faster you move, the more horizontal the rain becomes. It's pretty darn cool" |
| 00:15.50 | Iriel | Hi again, how's the test server queue? |
| 00:16.02 | SP|Sorren | 4900 |
| 00:16.04 | SP|Sorren | last i heard |
| 00:16.12 | SP|Sorren | about 2 hours ago i stepped into the queue |
| 00:16.13 | Kirkburn | Down from 8000 then? |
| 00:16.19 | SP|Sorren | i am now 90 in queue |
| 00:16.21 | SP|Sorren | ! |
| 00:16.32 | Kirkburn | woo! Hope you don't get an error |
| 00:16.36 | Codayus | I |
| 00:16.45 | Codayus | 've been in for a couple hours. |
| 00:16.54 | Codayus | 2434 in queue...85 min estimated to go. |
| 00:16.57 | Codayus | Yay me? |
| 00:17.14 | Codayus | I tried this morning, got DCed after a couple hours with an hour to go. |
| 00:18.37 | Cide | I got lucky hehe... 1200 queue |
| 00:18.58 | Iriel | I can see i'm going to be doing my testing at 2am |
| 00:19.02 | Iriel | And not today |
| 00:19.21 | kaiden | wonder why everyone is soooo anxious to test it |
| 00:19.21 | Kirkburn | (1:20am here) |
| 00:19.28 | Kirkburn | Weather, man WEATHER |
| 00:19.46 | Iriel | They're not anxious to test it |
| 00:19.48 | Kirkburn | So, er, Sorren ... weather screenshots, yes? |
| 00:19.51 | Iriel | they want to play with L60 characters |
| 00:20.01 | Iriel | (That's my gut feeling anyway) |
| 00:20.05 | Cide | orgrimmar general chat |
| 00:20.07 | Codayus | Hmm. |
| 00:20.09 | Cide | is like barrens x100 |
| 00:20.33 | SP|Sorren | ooomg im in |
| 00:20.43 | Kirkburn | Yay! SCREENSHOTS |
| 00:20.45 | SP|Sorren | wtfux is this gear im wearing |
| 00:20.54 | SP|Sorren | why did they only have troll horde hunters :< |
| 00:20.55 | Shadowd | Tier 0 armor with BWL gear in the rest of the slots |
| 00:20.58 | Kirkburn | hamster fur? |
| 00:21.11 | Shadowd | I find it funny having full wildheart and then a staff of shadowflames though |
| 00:21.12 | Kirkburn | Go upgrade it, foo! |
| 00:21.36 | Shadowd | I'm having more fun trying to buy these blasted warlord cards in IF |
| 00:21.53 | SP|Sorren | ooo |
| 00:21.56 | SP|Sorren | sht is broken |
| 00:21.56 | Kirkburn | How much is an Ace? |
| 00:22.19 | Shadowd | It's down to 10g here, I'm trying to get the Six and five at the moment |
| 00:22.31 | SP|Sorren | awww fishease is broken :< |
| 00:22.59 | Kirkburn | Just one or two functions were removed, there's a thread on it in the test forum |
| 00:23.07 | Kirkburn | I'm waiting for someone to suggest ClearFont |
| 00:23.22 | Kirkburn | I'm hoping that they can all read that it won't work and won't even try |
| 00:23.25 | SP|Sorren | lol @ having a dooms edge + cht and in beaststalker gear |
| 00:23.37 | Shadowd | nice |
| 00:24.01 | Iriel | I've yet to hear of an addon that doesn't do something 'questionable' that's broken.. are there any? |
| 00:24.08 | Iriel | (Font changes notwithstanding) |
| 00:24.14 | SP|Sorren | omg ctra blocked :< |
| 00:24.22 | Iriel | All of the hype appears to be related to 2 things |
| 00:24.31 | Cide | I didn't think CameraOrSelectOrMoveStart was questionable |
| 00:24.32 | Shouryuu | ignorance and? |
| 00:24.39 | Cide | but no, the changes aren't THAT bad |
| 00:24.51 | Kirkburn | (Font changes are never withstanding) |
| 00:25.01 | Iriel | Cide: Well, it does depend on what it's being used for, but the idea of replacing the movement/action functions has some potential issues. |
| 00:25.16 | Shouryuu | still |
| 00:25.19 | Kirkburn | (At least ClearFont couldn't withstand a gust or air on tets) |
| 00:25.21 | Shouryuu | the forums *will* be hell |
| 00:25.24 | Iriel | Cide: If nothing else this may be a reason to ask for some more useful events to capture the data we used to get via benign hooks |
| 00:25.33 | Cide | I probably will |
| 00:25.36 | Iriel | What do you mean, will be hell? They're already hell. |
| 00:25.37 | Kirkburn | (God I can't type, so I'll just stop) |
| 00:25.43 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 00:25.48 | Cide | there's no way to detect a spellcast through the game world now I believe |
| 00:25.48 | Kirkburn | I agree with Iriel there |
| 00:26.12 | Iriel | Oh god, blizzard added G15 support |
| 00:26.18 | Shouryuu | serious? |
| 00:26.26 | Cairenn | yes, damnit |
| 00:26.29 | Iriel | From slouken's post in the 1.10 thread: |
| 00:26.31 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.34 | Iriel | * Added support for widescreen video resolutions |
| 00:26.37 | Iriel | * Added support for G15 keyboard (health/mana bar and battleground queue notification) |
| 00:26.43 | Kirkburn | Lol, I was just about to post that for you |
| 00:26.45 | Iriel | (By widescreen I believe he means multi-screen spanning) |
| 00:26.53 | kaiden | that's actually kinda cool but a little useless to see tha tinfo on the keyboard ;P |
| 00:27.09 | Kirkburn | At least it'll kill the IS THIS A HACK? threads |
| 00:27.50 | Iriel | Yeah, I think as long as one cannot MOD the display, it's a fair balance between support and not |
| 00:27.58 | Shouryuu | damn, Tain's No you g15 pic doesn't work anymore... |
| 00:28.01 | Iriel | I can't control my own health or BG status |
| 00:28.41 | Iriel | Jeez, the whiners are out in force today: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=330832&p=1&tmp=1#post330832 |
| 00:29.25 | [MoonWolf] | Iriel, they always are |
| 00:29.36 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 00:29.38 | Kirkburn | amen |
| 00:29.40 | Iriel | Moreso than usual the last few days though |
| 00:29.42 | Iriel | WAY moreso |
| 00:29.48 | [MoonWolf] | its because of the patch |
| 00:29.57 | [MoonWolf] | things change thats always a reason to whine |
| 00:30.00 | Shouryuu | Well it's jsut SpellCastSTop() which has fueled their stupidity |
| 00:30.02 | Cairenn | Finally, a blue post saying that a lot of the crap re the G15 is illegal: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=330776&p=1&tmp=1#post330776 |
| 00:30.15 | Shouryuu | remember the AutoTravel thing... |
| 00:30.15 | [MoonWolf] | you could buff every ability in the priest tree again and some would still call it a nerf. |
| 00:30.16 | Iriel | Yeah, i'll have to give slouken a hug next time I see him |
| 00:30.18 | Kirkburn | Wow, that's the stupidest, stupidest little complaint I've ever heard iriel |
| 00:31.07 | Kirkburn | "I can't be bothered to click on a button to summon my pet" |
| 00:31.15 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 00:32.54 | Kirkburn | As I said earlier, the only class that shoudl be cared about it Warlocks. If they ever expect us to solo Sargeras, we need at least a few more hp. I want my Sargeras pet! |
| 00:33.09 | AnduinLothar | anyone know what the QUEST_LOG_UPDATE arg1 is? |
| 00:33.29 | Kirkburn | (and that'll be his true form, not his avatar that Aegwynn fought! Oooh ... lore) |
| 00:33.57 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : I dont think it's USED by anything |
| 00:34.21 | AnduinLothar | any idea what it means? |
| 00:34.29 | AnduinLothar | and why it's only called sometimes? |
| 00:34.41 | Iriel | Well, does it MEAN anything? |
| 00:34.59 | kaiden | so i have one question, why was AutoTravel such a bad thing? |
| 00:35.00 | AnduinLothar | it has to come from somewhere |
| 00:35.11 | Kirkburn | I'm intrigued ... how did Party Quests suddenly break? |
| 00:35.12 | kaiden | i never actually used it but i dont see the harm in traveling from point a to point b |
| 00:35.14 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : It could be a leftover? They are afterall global. |
| 00:35.29 | AnduinLothar | mmm, that woudl be dumb.. |
| 00:35.31 | Iriel | kaiden : Unattended play isn't approved of. period. |
| 00:35.51 | Kirkburn | (Unless you like travelling in straight lines) |
| 00:35.54 | kaiden | Iriel, yes but if you are just walking in a line i dont see how it could be considered unattented "play" |
| 00:35.55 | kaiden | lol |
| 00:36.12 | kaiden | i just dont see the harm that could have ever come from it |
| 00:36.15 | Iriel | kaiden : Well, (a) it wasn't straight lines and (b) you could extend that to do other things. |
| 00:36.16 | AnduinLothar | use numlock if you want to walk in a line |
| 00:36.22 | kaiden | maybe i'm just not thinking about the bigger picture |
| 00:36.44 | Kirkburn | Wel, kaiden, they do support widescreen now :) |
| 00:36.45 | AnduinLothar | it made botting a crapload easier |
| 00:36.52 | kaiden | Kirk, lol :P |
| 00:36.55 | Iriel | what if you wrote an auto-travel-to-base-with-flag addon? |
| 00:37.20 | kaiden | Iriel, the problem with that is everyones always on you and you are dead no matter what |
| 00:37.25 | Iriel | (And yes, i'm aware there are some technical hurdles to that) |
| 00:37.33 | Iriel | (But that's the kind of idea) |
| 00:37.45 | Kirkburn | (But not real hurdles, cause then you'd have to code in jumping too) |
| 00:37.53 | kaiden | lol |
| 00:38.07 | AnduinLothar | you can get back w/o jumping.. |
| 00:38.23 | Kirkburn | I'm not sure that's what I was getting at ;) |
| 00:38.25 | kaiden | so i heard rumors that they are removing the ability to string if statements together to make click button class players |
| 00:38.27 | kaiden | is that true? |
| 00:38.27 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 00:39.12 | kaiden | so mods like quu's hateme would break after that was "fixed" |
| 00:39.35 | Cide | you lost me |
| 00:39.39 | Kirkburn | and me |
| 00:39.43 | Cide | "to make click button class players"? |
| 00:39.56 | kaiden | you know single macro's that perform a bunch of commands based on situations |
| 00:40.06 | Cide | yes |
| 00:40.07 | kaiden | if unitmana > blah then blah else blah end |
| 00:40.10 | kaiden | stuff like that |
| 00:40.15 | Kirkburn | That would be the most incredibly ui 'nerf' ever |
| 00:40.33 | kaiden | i agree but i mean they could stop the ability of chaining CastSpell's like that |
| 00:40.33 | Kirkburn | Plus there would probably be ways aroudn it |
| 00:40.40 | kaiden | which wouldn't hurt the ui but would hurt those addons |
| 00:41.06 | Iriel | That would actually be a rather easy thing fo rthem to do as well |
| 00:41.16 | Kirkburn | I don't code lua, but how would that work? You could just have a long list of if and saved numbers rather then if this if that if that if that |
| 00:41.23 | Iriel | BUT, not reliably, without removing /script |
| 00:41.31 | kaiden | yeah i'm hoping they dont as it is a massive way to boost dps if you know how to play your class already :) |
| 00:42.00 | kaiden | i have a nice and neat little system i wrote for my rogue to do that when i'm on raids that way i can cap my dps out nice and neat << naughty ;( |
| 00:42.14 | Kirkburn | And that makes you cry? |
| 00:42.21 | Kirkburn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.31 | kaiden | them removing it makes me cry but i have heard they will be nipping it in the bud |
| 00:42.50 | Codayus | What are they removing? |
| 00:42.57 | Iriel | I heard that decursive would be banned in every one of the last 3 or more patches |
| 00:43.00 | kaiden | nothing for certain i was asking |
| 00:43.00 | Kirkburn | Noooo! this is where rumours begin! |
| 00:43.03 | Iriel | so i'm not sure "I have heard" is very reliable |
| 00:43.06 | Codayus | Hmm. |
| 00:43.15 | Codayus | What Iriel said. :-P |
| 00:43.15 | kaiden | Iriel, yeah i see what you mean |
| 00:43.27 | Kirkburn | Don't lets go there, you'll freak every mod author out |
| 00:43.34 | kaiden | lets face it, decursing in a raid is far too hard as it is |
| 00:43.48 | kaiden | with all the range restrictions, they screw with decursive and they REALLY nail raiding |
| 00:43.56 | Kirkburn | I've noticed they seem to be revamping one section of the interface each patch |
| 00:44.07 | Cide | curing a raid isn't THAT hard |
| 00:44.16 | Cide | just requires attention |
| 00:44.17 | kaiden | it is if it's not your only job |
| 00:44.23 | Cide | not really |
| 00:44.39 | Codayus | Hmm, maybe. MC decursing isn't too hard. I've heard BWL gets more intense, but, OTOH, I've heard internal bliz testers test all content with zero mods installed, so... |
| 00:44.45 | Iriel | Blizzard have already said they playtest raids without addons |
| 00:44.45 | Kirkburn | Is this with or without CTRA? |
| 00:44.49 | Cide | one time when I accidently broke the "decursive" equivalent in ct_raidassist for our guild we had to improvise on chromaggus |
| 00:45.00 | Iriel | Nobody will ever win an argument that they're "needed" for raid use |
| 00:45.09 | Cide | (the fight in the game that requires the absolute most debuff curing if you aren't familiar with it) |
| 00:45.12 | kaiden | oh i dont think they are needed at all |
| 00:45.17 | kaiden | they just make raids much more managable |
| 00:45.19 | Cide | it was quite hard, but by all means doable |
| 00:45.22 | Kirkburn | 'cept ClearFont, yes? :) |
| 00:46.05 | Codayus | Cide: Not surprised to hear that. Thanks for the info though. |
| 00:46.09 | Iriel | Dammit, this test server queue is going to bug the crap out of me |
| 00:46.11 | kaiden | ohh that's another thing i wanted to ask, since they are nerf'ing xml modification ahve they made it so you can change fonts in the game i know they added a bunch of api for it |
| 00:46.18 | Iriel | kaiden : yes. |
| 00:46.19 | kaiden | but have they made it so you can change unit fonts, chatbox fonts etc |
| 00:46.25 | kaiden | good stuff |
| 00:46.30 | kaiden | i'd die if i didn't have that lol |
| 00:46.30 | Iriel | Well, UI fonts |
| 00:46.40 | Iriel | The WORLD fonts may well now be off limits |
| 00:46.46 | kaiden | ick, hope not |
| 00:46.47 | Kirkburn | CF is already updated for it (hopefully) |
| 00:46.47 | Iriel | But I dont think blizzard ever meant for those to NOT be |
| 00:46.57 | Iriel | (NOT be off limits, that is) |
| 00:47.15 | Kirkburn | World fonts being? Nameplates? |
| 00:47.16 | Iriel | But really I have no idea when in the load sequence those fonts are bound |
| 00:47.23 | kaiden | i mean, i'm sorry but the damage font is just ugly so are the unit name fonts, and it just makes all the difference having them easily readable |
| 00:47.29 | Iriel | Yes, anything in the 3d world. |
| 00:47.32 | Codayus | The test server queue is absolutely awful. Hopefully it'll go away next week...the contest realms should kill it off ompletely. |
| 00:47.51 | Iriel | Codayus : One can but hope |
| 00:47.52 | Kirkburn | Ah, but they haven't prevented the other method of overriding fonts |
| 00:48.00 | Kirkburn | i.e. Make files in WoW/Fonts/ |
| 00:48.10 | kaiden | true i fear they will do that soon though |
| 00:48.14 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Not yet, no. But that's ugly |
| 00:48.16 | kaiden | that would be such an easy change for them to make |
| 00:48.25 | Kirkburn | Ugly, but unavoidable |
| 00:48.44 | kaiden | i do hope they leave it though, as i use a special LootFX.m2 file as it's hard to see which mobs are lootable with just the dull glowies |
| 00:48.56 | Tem | hmm, anyonw know the purpose of CURSOR_UPDATE events? |
| 00:48.57 | Kirkburn | But they've never disabled skin/model changing either |
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| 00:49.09 | Kirkburn | kaiden: LootFX mod? |
| 00:49.30 | kaiden | Kirkburn, yeah, makes the mobs you can loot use the particle effect from the mage dampen magic spell |
| 00:49.32 | Iriel | The Bank, PaperDollFrame, and UIParent all use them |
| 00:49.37 | kaiden | nice and pretty |
| 00:49.49 | Kirkburn | Got the same here |
| 00:49.57 | kaiden | and very easily viewable, i find myself missing alot less loot when farming as well |
| 00:49.59 | Tem | Iriel: but what's it for? |
| 00:50.10 | Tem | Iriel: what is the client saying happened when it fires a CURSOR_UPDATE evnet? |
| 00:50.10 | Iriel | It tells you when the object on the cursor changes |
| 00:50.39 | Tem | ah |
| 00:50.41 | Tem | oh noes! |
| 00:50.49 | Iriel | Look at PaperDollItemSlotButton_OnEvent |
| 00:50.53 | Iriel | For a good usage example |
| 00:50.59 | Tem | I just realized something the new anti-hook broke |
| 00:51.10 | Iriel | Dtecting instant cast spells? |
| 00:51.17 | Iriel | Or something else? |
| 00:51.27 | Tem | ListFix |
| 00:51.40 | Kirkburn | Why would someone ask this on the US forums? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-test&t=153728&p=1&tmp=1#post153728 |
| 00:51.44 | Tem | It corrects the behavior of UIDropDownMenus |
| 00:51.54 | Tem | or at least tries it's best |
| 00:52.06 | Tem | it hooks TurnOrActionStart |
| 00:52.17 | Tem | and CameraOrSelectOrMoveStart |
| 00:52.23 | Tem | to close DropdownMenus |
| 00:52.38 | Tem | so it gives the effect of being able to click away to close them |
| 00:52.39 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Because they're an idiot. |
| 00:53.01 | Iriel | Tem: I still haven't heard definitively if you can't just make a key binding of your own that calls TOAS |
| 00:53.10 | kaiden | Kirkburn, because he thinks if he gets the uk client he can login to the uk servers, which isn't the case |
| 00:53.13 | Iriel | Tem: But I had to leave earlier while cladhaire was testing it |
| 00:53.15 | kaiden | it's not client based it's account based :P |
| 00:53.25 | Kirkburn | Actually ... not quite |
| 00:53.39 | Kirkburn | No wait |
| 00:53.50 | Kirkburn | Maybe he's stupid and forgot about his UK account |
| 00:53.54 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Qzot (n=esnickel@ip-66-80-2-118.dsl.sca.megapath.net) |
| 00:54.20 | Qzot | Okay... I'm an old fogie, and new to IRC. Have I done this right? |
| 00:54.23 | Kirkburn | I was thinking about the fact you don't need to buy WoW twice to play in the EU and US |
| 00:54.26 | Iriel | Hey Qzot |
| 00:54.29 | kaiden | Qzot, nope :) |
| 00:54.36 | Qzot | Dang. :( |
| 00:54.37 | kaiden | you forgot your wizard hat and robe |
| 00:54.40 | Iriel | Kirkburn : You do, though. |
| 00:54.51 | Kirkburn | Iriel: not what I've heard ... |
| 00:54.54 | Iriel | Kirkburn : You just dont have to install it twice. |
| 00:55.18 | Iriel | Kirkburn : How do you get a UK or US key without buying the game? |
| 00:55.21 | kaiden | so what's up Qzot ;) |
| 00:55.23 | Qzot | Eek. Doesn't that mean you're screwed at patch time? |
| 00:55.40 | Kirkburn | Iriel : yeah I'm seeing your point. I'm confused now :) |
| 00:55.41 | Qzot | Just had lunch with iriel. He twisted my arm to get on IRC. |
| 00:55.42 | Iriel | Well, you still have to run 2 installs, but you can be 'clever' about it. |
| 00:56.04 | Iriel | I said that all the cool kids hang out here |
| 00:56.05 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 00:56.11 | kaiden | Qzot, be careful, it's addictive |
| 00:56.19 | Iriel | And watch out for Tem, he's a bad influence |
| 00:56.21 | Iriel | On all of us. |
| 00:56.21 | Kirkburn | What, lunch? |
| 00:56.21 | Qzot | When do the kewl kids show up, then? |
| 00:56.26 | kaiden | i've been stuck here since the early ages of efnet :( |
| 00:56.36 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.42 | SP|Sorren | omg |
| 00:56.44 | SP|Sorren | druid bears |
| 00:56.44 | SP|Sorren | can dance |
| 00:56.59 | kaiden | they made them stand up and dance now?! :) |
| 00:57.00 | Shadowd | and cats |
| 00:57.07 | kaiden | whoot can't wait to see that |
| 00:57.09 | kaiden | fraps us a video! |
| 00:57.11 | Qzot | Is feral druid dancing new? |
| 00:57.14 | kaiden | ' |
| 00:57.15 | kaiden | yeah |
| 00:57.17 | Shadowd | yeha |
| 00:57.20 | Shadowd | s/yeha/yeah |
| 00:57.22 | Shadowd | bah |
| 00:57.23 | AnduinLothar | moonkin? |
| 00:57.26 | Qzot | I was always envious of shammies. |
| 00:57.28 | Kirkburn | Yep |
| 00:57.31 | kaiden | moonkin have always been able to dance |
| 00:57.47 | Kirkburn | The dances are new (except Moonkin) |
| 00:58.03 | Iriel | So.. can someone get 3551 people to disconnect from the test server for me? |
| 00:58.07 | Qzot | Altho, druids can fake the A.W. animation after a painful PvP win. |
| 00:58.08 | AnduinLothar | ill have to play with um tomorrow |
| 00:58.10 | Kirkburn | EU & US World of Warcraft and how to play on both: http://www.petebarrwatson.com/archives/2006/02/eu_us_world_of.html |
| 00:59.18 | Kirkburn | Is that different to what you suggested Iriel? |
| 00:59.26 | Tem | Can someone make 450 people leave the Test Realm please? |
| 00:59.29 | Tem | I |
| 00:59.35 | Tem | 've been in queue all afternoon |
| 00:59.56 | Kirkburn | Stop hitting [enter] instead of [']! |
| 01:00.11 | SP|Sorren | hm, did they change teh way tooltips work? |
| 01:00.16 | Kirkburn | Why? |
| 01:00.20 | kaiden | Iriel, though i still would have to buy an eu key right? |
| 01:00.22 | Qzot | Switch to Dvorak. You won't have that problem. |
| 01:00.23 | kaiden | and have an eu account |
| 01:00.32 | Kirkburn | And where's my weather screenshots Sorren? |
| 01:00.36 | AnduinLothar | dunno, i was having a few issues with tooltips myself |
| 01:00.41 | Kirkburn | You need accounts in both areas, yes |
| 01:00.41 | SP|Sorren | im trying to get my mods to some sembalance of working |
| 01:00.49 | SP|Sorren | but i can do that in stv |
| 01:00.51 | SP|Sorren | to STV! |
| 01:00.54 | AnduinLothar | couldn't get CV to grab crit chance |
| 01:01.04 | AnduinLothar | usign the tooltip method ont he spellbook |
| 01:01.16 | SP|Sorren | all my mods that grab stuff off tooltips dont get anything |
| 01:01.30 | AnduinLothar | I could use SetSpell on the GameTooltip just fine and grab it from there |
| 01:01.39 | Qzot | Is anyone putting together a dynamic configurator for 1.10? |
| 01:01.43 | AnduinLothar | but it wouldn't work on my other tooltips |
| 01:01.49 | kaiden | Qzot, oh boy i hope so! |
| 01:01.50 | kaiden | :) |
| 01:01.56 | kaiden | i can't wait for DiscordSuite from Lozareth |
| 01:02.04 | SP|Sorren | nooo dont go zepplin! |
| 01:02.07 | Qzot | I was thinking about building one, but it's better if there's one standard. |
| 01:02.23 | Iriel | I threatened to rewrite UIDropDownMenu, but that's as far as i've gotten |
| 01:02.45 | AnduinLothar | We DID rewite UIDropDownMenu.. it's in Earth |
| 01:02.48 | SP|Sorren | maybe its only custom tooltips AnduinLothar? |
| 01:02.58 | Kirkburn | Not that this is exactly Cosmos central, but one of the tooltip mods causes them to freak out. The one that isn't Gymnast |
| 01:03.01 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : I meant, re-write in a drop-in-call-compatible-way |
| 01:03.20 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Using dynamic frame creation |
| 01:03.27 | AnduinLothar | how so? |
| 01:03.39 | Qzot | I was thinking of something small and simple enough it could be included in stand-alone mods. |
| 01:03.42 | Kirkburn | In 1.9 that is ... the tooltips keep changing sizes slightly |
| 01:03.53 | AnduinLothar | which one kirk. KhaosTooltips or MobInfo-2? |
| 01:04.03 | Iriel | Well, the limit on the number of buttons is arbitrary, and the current API doesn't handle re-entrancy well AT ALL. |
| 01:04.06 | kaiden | so with dynamic gui configs available, i wonder how easy it will be to create configuration windows now |
| 01:04.10 | Kirkburn | KhaodTooltips ... it stops occuring when I disable it |
| 01:04.19 | Kirkburn | (that's the one that colours the tooltips, no?) |
| 01:04.23 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 01:04.42 | Kirkburn | It's very strange ... it's also the mod that prevents my tooltips from clearing somtimes |
| 01:04.48 | Iriel | kaiden : Not too hard, I already have some semi-dynamic bits of mine in the StatRings dev version, I just use the 'pooled object' approach rather than 'on-demand created', though admittedly my implementation is far from complete or for that matter, friendly |
| 01:05.04 | AnduinLothar | pooled is how khaos works too |
| 01:05.25 | Iriel | yeah, that seems to be the only sane way before 1.10 |
| 01:05.27 | SP|Sorren | noooo dc'd from test :< |
| 01:05.32 | Kirkburn | noooooooo! |
| 01:05.40 | Kirkburn | And I bet you never saw the weather :( |
| 01:05.48 | SP|Sorren | actually wow locked up |
| 01:05.52 | SP|Sorren | no i haven't seen it yet :< |
| 01:05.58 | Qzot | Pooled is okay, as long as you're willing to marry it to faux scroll frame, but not as convenient for right-click pop-up configs. |
| 01:05.59 | Kirkburn | Quick, you'll still be able to log in |
| 01:06.31 | Iriel | Qzot : That really depends how big your pool is 8-) |
| 01:06.38 | SP|Sorren | woo |
| 01:06.45 | Kirkburn | 8m x 5m? Circular? Rectangle? Has it got steps? |
| 01:06.49 | AnduinLothar | right, but you also don't want dropdowns that are larger than the screen |
| 01:07.02 | Kirkburn | Is it heated? |
| 01:07.02 | ForgottenLords | Anyone know what happens if you are logged in, and your Parental Control time period finishes? do you end up being forced to log out? |
| 01:07.07 | Qzot | Well, yes. The scroll frame and sizing guarantees can help guarantee you won't empty the pool. |
| 01:07.27 | Kirkburn | ForgottenLords: Probably |
| 01:07.40 | ForgottenLords | well, I guess we'll see ;p |
| 01:07.52 | SP|Sorren | bah, some mod must be crashing me |
| 01:07.53 | Qzot | I believe that's the entire point, yes. |
| 01:07.53 | Kirkburn | My guess is most of us don't often have that problem ... |
| 01:08.35 | Kirkburn | Stop trying mods and do the important stuff ... join the weatherchannel! |
| 01:09.07 | Kirkburn | (it might be called theweatherchannel or weatherchannel, I forget which) |
| 01:10.16 | Kirkburn | Type "/join theweatherchannel" |
| 01:10.27 | Kirkburn | That's the one |
| 01:10.37 | Iriel | I guess now would be a good time to empty the dishwasher, idle! |
| 01:10.39 | Qzot | Oops. Learning mIRC. Didn't mean that. |
| 01:10.44 | Kirkburn | *me falls in a canal lock |
| 01:10.51 | Kirkburn | dammit, I did it wrong again :( |
| 01:11.16 | Kirkburn | Is it /me, /em, or what? |
| 01:11.24 | Qzot | Yes. |
| 01:11.56 | Kirkburn | No idea where I got the * idea from |
| 01:12.09 | Qzot | Okay, IRC fans, how do I easily get directed (but public) content, a la |
| 01:12.28 | Qzot | <Iriel> Qzot : That really depends how big your pool is... |
| 01:12.42 | Kirkburn | Go to a pool-selling website? |
| 01:12.54 | Qzot | -.- |
| 01:13.01 | Kirkburn | Does water count as public content? |
| 01:13.15 | Kirkburn | I suppose it can be directed with hoses |
| 01:13.21 | Tem | this is driving me nuts |
| 01:13.23 | Qzot | -.- |
| 01:13.29 | Tem | my moniter is stuck in it's native res |
| 01:13.38 | Kirkburn | And it's easily got. Qzot, do you have a bucket? |
| 01:13.47 | Qzot | -.- |
| 01:13.54 | Tem | if I set it to a lower res it doesn't stretch it |
| 01:14.02 | Iriel | Tem: LCD monitor? |
| 01:14.07 | Tem | it just stays in the same res with a smaller desktop in the center |
| 01:14.09 | Tem | Iriel: aye |
| 01:14.13 | Qzot | k |
| 01:14.15 | Iriel | Tem: Have you told it to scale in your video settings? |
| 01:14.16 | Kirkburn | Which gfx card? |
| 01:14.24 | kaiden | .. ... .. . ...... ... .... ......... .. ..... .. ..... |
| 01:14.24 | Kirkburn | You need to change that setting |
| 01:14.26 | Iriel | Tem: it's an option, usually, in the video card AND probably the monitor |
| 01:14.26 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kremonte (n=dan@ool-18bba4ea.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 01:14.31 | Tem | Iriel: I've never messed with it at alll it's built into my laptop |
| 01:14.40 | Kirkburn | kaiden, I seem to rememmber Morse used dashes too |
| 01:14.40 | SP|Sorren | all my tooltip mods are borken |
| 01:14.42 | SP|Sorren | er |
| 01:14.47 | Tem | Iriel: but it's worked flawlessly for nearly 2 years now |
| 01:14.48 | SP|Sorren | all the ones that use custom tooltips to grab info |
| 01:14.50 | Kirkburn | borkener? |
| 01:14.53 | Iriel | Tem: It may be a function key combo you accidenly turned on/off |
| 01:15.02 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.08 | Tem | any idea where I should look? |
| 01:15.18 | SP|Sorren | i am camping out in stv now though |
| 01:15.22 | Kirkburn | Tem, nvidia or ATI? |
| 01:15.22 | SP|Sorren | while i try to fix my mods |
| 01:15.31 | Tem | Kirkburn: ATI |
| 01:15.33 | Iriel | I'd start in your video drivers |
| 01:15.35 | Kirkburn | Damn ... |
| 01:15.44 | Kirkburn | Yeah, video drivers should have it somewhere |
| 01:15.46 | Kremonte | huh? |
| 01:15.50 | Kremonte | should have what? |
| 01:15.58 | Kirkburn | The option for Tem |
| 01:16.02 | kaiden | Kirkburn, .-.. . .- .-. -. .. -. --. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . / .. ... / .... .- .-. -.. |
| 01:16.07 | kaiden | there's some morse code for ya ;P |
| 01:16.10 | *** join/#wowi-lounge sancus (i=rndm@d38-232-236.home1.cgocable.net) |
| 01:16.26 | Kirkburn | For Nvidia it's under device adjustments |
| 01:16.31 | Qzot | Wow. My morse is rusty... |
| 01:17.50 | kaiden | http://morsecode.scphillips.com/cgi-bin/morse.cgi do it yourself morse code translator hehe |
| 01:17.57 | Tem | Aha, found it |
| 01:18.00 | Tem | Thanks |
| 01:18.16 | Tem | I found a new option too |
| 01:18.24 | Qzot | Learning morse code is hard. |
| 01:18.25 | SP|Sorren | not being flagged in stv is strange ;o |
| 01:18.28 | Tem | "Scale image but keep aspect ratio" |
| 01:18.51 | Tem | So my old games that don't support widescreen won't look short and fat |
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| 01:19.01 | Qzot | At one time I could transcribe morse code at 20 wpm. For about 2 day before the test and about 3 days after. :P |
| 01:19.36 | Tem | Wow, I think blizzard messed up with the patch notes |
| 01:19.58 | Cairenn | yeah, that'd be new :p |
| 01:19.58 | Tem | the "You may not modify the FrameXML" line is confusing all the normies |
| 01:20.04 | Kirkburn | Yay, ClearFont reaches the 175 line before breaking :D |
| 01:20.32 | Kirkburn | They shouldn't even know what FrameXML is :) |
| 01:20.36 | Tem | like to the point where the UI forum is flooded with "ZOMGZ WILL MY FAV MOD X WORK!?!!!one1! |
| 01:20.42 | sancus | Kirkburn: haha |
| 01:20.58 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Synik (n=Seracht@CPE00159a838ed7-CM00159a0250a2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 01:20.59 | Synik | hi |
| 01:21.02 | Synik | need help with a macro |
| 01:21.04 | Synik | i want to do this |
| 01:21.05 | Tem | Estimated Queue time <1 minute |
| 01:21.07 | Synik | when i click it |
| 01:21.10 | Kirkburn | Sancus, are you getting my replies, or does that not work? |
| 01:21.12 | Synik | it will do - wait 20 seconds |
| 01:21.14 | Synik | then /y something |
| 01:21.18 | sancus | Kirkburn: nope, havent got any replies |
| 01:21.21 | Tem | Kirkburn: both of you have to be registered |
| 01:21.27 | sancus | I'm registered! |
| 01:21.28 | Cairenn | and identified |
| 01:21.30 | Qzot | I suppose I should get into the queue and figure out if PartyAims will work. One of these days I need to move it from beta. |
| 01:21.34 | sancus | and identified |
| 01:21.37 | Tem | Position in Queue: 9 |
| 01:21.45 | Tem | yay! |
| 01:21.48 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.52 | SP|Sorren | baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 01:21.55 | SP|Sorren | where is the rain :< |
| 01:21.58 | SP|Sorren | maybe i should have gone to ws |
| 01:22.02 | Kirkburn | Well, I was saying thanks to ya sancus and trying to send u an updated CF LUA file |
| 01:22.17 | Tem|PTR | lol! |
| 01:22.28 | Tem|PTR | t0 armor with t2 weapons and jewlery |
| 01:22.30 | Kirkburn | Sorren join theweatherchannel |
| 01:22.41 | Synik | guys is it possible to put a wait 20 seconds in a macro? |
| 01:22.46 | kaiden | is it true you have to have your full T0 set before you can start getting the T0+ upgraded pieces |
| 01:22.47 | Cairenn | Synik: no |
| 01:22.57 | Kirkburn | Sancus : I'll stick an updated file on Worldofwar |
| 01:23.00 | Tem|PTR | so I'm wearing 8/8 Magisters with a Staff of the Shadow Flame |
| 01:23.05 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: >< |
| 01:23.07 | sancus | kirkburn: well register/identify :P |
| 01:23.08 | Qzot | Hey, Cairenn. Sorry I missed you at BlizzCon. |
| 01:23.15 | Tem|PTR | Chocker of the Fire Lord, both IWIN trinkets |
| 01:23.18 | sancus | Kirkburn: and use wowinterface, it makes Cairenn happy. |
| 01:23.21 | Tem|PTR | lol strange choice of gear |
| 01:23.32 | sancus | yeah |
| 01:23.34 | sancus | I love it |
| 01:23.44 | sancus | Staff of the Shadow Flame, toep/zhc... and stormrager/full magister's |
| 01:23.51 | Kirkburn | Damn keyboard mod, it's replacing interface site names again! |
| 01:23.52 | Cairenn | Qzot: shame =/ |
| 01:23.59 | sancus | I still don't have a SotSF on live after 23 nef kills so at least I get to see one :p |
| 01:24.00 | Kirkburn | I told it not to, y'know |
| 01:26.10 | Qzot | Cairenn: Btw, if I ever get back to updating PartyAims, what's the best way to move it from the beta section over to the main area? |
| 01:26.33 | Cairenn | PM one of the site staff with link to it and where you want it moved |
| 01:26.58 | Qzot | Should I update the beta first, and then ask for the move, or reverse order? |
| 01:27.10 | Kirkburn | I'd say update beta first ... safer |
| 01:27.24 | Qzot | No one asked you. :D |
| 01:27.27 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, I've updated my eta beta |
| 01:27.39 | Cairenn | Qzot: either or |
| 01:27.40 | SP|Sorren | hey do those movespeed mods work in instances? |
| 01:27.52 | Tem|PTR | wow that's not fair |
| 01:27.58 | Tem|PTR | they gave locks a touch of chaos |
| 01:28.03 | Tem|PTR | but stormrager to mages |
| 01:28.13 | Tem|PTR | bah, stupid gamer in me |
| 01:28.18 | Kirkburn | Don't know the first |
| 01:28.19 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4528 |
| 01:28.19 | Tem|PTR | Test CreateFrame! |
| 01:28.21 | sancus | doesnt really matter for testing purposes |
| 01:28.59 | Kirkburn | I think that was Cairenn being lovely as ever - can you test the new version sancus? |
| 01:29.21 | sancus | yep |
| 01:29.24 | sancus | one sec, closing |
| 01:29.24 | Kirkburn | ta |
| 01:29.36 | sancus | actually I guess I can just logout since I'm not adding a new addon |
| 01:29.45 | Kirkburn | d/c so you don't lose queue place |
| 01:29.56 | Kirkburn | Or reload ui? |
| 01:30.45 | sancus | Interface\Addons\ClearFont\ClearFont.lua:1:unexpected symbol near `*' :P |
| 01:30.54 | Kirkburn | Line one?! |
| 01:31.03 | kaiden | fontabulous forever! :P |
| 01:31.03 | kaiden | j/k |
| 01:31.12 | kaiden | i actually use my own custom fonts hehe |
| 01:31.21 | Kirkburn | Devla ftw! ... no wait? |
| 01:31.27 | sancus | that preview junk |
| 01:31.29 | sancus | is not commented |
| 01:31.33 | Kirkburn | Lol sancus yeah, delete it |
| 01:31.45 | Kirkburn | Gone from my version |
| 01:32.14 | sancus | okay now we're back to erroring on `inherits' at line 174 instead of 175 |
| 01:32.30 | Kirkburn | Tis a fine day |
| 01:33.01 | Iriel | Anyone know if the queue is affected by connecting from a different machine and kicking your first login? |
| 01:33.13 | Cairenn | Iriel: dunno |
| 01:34.29 | Kirkburn | gah, my computer is trying to annoy me |
| 01:35.13 | Kirkburn | waitasec, I updated that stuff |
| 01:35.42 | kaiden | Kirkburn, you really do love that clearfont doncha? :P |
| 01:35.52 | Cairenn | he's the author, duh |
| 01:35.57 | kaiden | i mean the font |
| 01:35.57 | Kirkburn | Hey, it's my only mod .... sancus bear with me, i'm trying to sort it |
| 01:36.22 | sancus | I have "GameFontHighlightSmallOutline:inherits(GameFontHighlightSmall);" at 174 |
| 01:36.24 | sancus | and yeah thats fine |
| 01:36.46 | Kirkburn | Yeah ... it's strange - I've already changed that stuff |
| 01:38.25 | Wobin_ | huh |
| 01:38.36 | Wobin_ | I didn't think Gatherer had the movement keys linked... |
| 01:39.41 | Kirkburn | sancus, appears I missed one or two lines. Also, I've updated it to use the new number font. You get a sneak preview (I hope). Cairenn, updated! :) |
| 01:40.12 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4528 |
| 01:41.13 | Qzot | Anywhere here have experience debugging mods that only make sense in parties or raids? Any techniques you've developed so you aren't really irritating your groupmates? |
| 01:41.27 | Qzot | *Anyone |
| 01:41.39 | Wobin_ | A understanding guild? |
| 01:41.40 | Cairenn | group with other authors, who understand ;) |
| 01:41.47 | *** join/#wowi-lounge dukeku (i=dukeku@c-67-160-162-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 01:41.53 | Kirkburn | That was gonna be my suggestion too |
| 01:41.55 | Iriel | Creating a Draka character and persuading other UI folks to log in |
| 01:41.56 | Wobin_ | You could use the Draka guilds =) |
| 01:42.01 | Qzot | I think I met my first other author today. |
| 01:42.03 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 01:42.07 | Kirkburn | Daka daka daka |
| 01:42.22 | Qzot | Draka? Daka? Tell me more. |
| 01:42.35 | sancus | Interface\AddOns\ClearFont\ClearFont.lua:211:attempt to index global `NumberFontNormalSMallGrey' (a nil value) |
| 01:42.37 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2651 |
| 01:42.48 | Cairenn | (for Qzot) |
| 01:42.52 | Kirkburn | We're getting further sancus! |
| 01:42.56 | Qzot | (understood) |
| 01:43.20 | Qzot | Average toon level for those guilds? |
| 01:43.30 | sancus | yay |
| 01:43.35 | Wobin_ | er... 1? =) |
| 01:43.36 | Cairenn | highest is about 25 or so |
| 01:43.36 | Qzot | And I assume someone is providing leveling service for new toons there? |
| 01:43.37 | *** join/#wowi-lounge sarf|backup (i=sarf@ce01949-p11-odals6.cenara.com) |
| 01:43.43 | Qzot | :D |
| 01:43.47 | Cairenn | Qzot: not :p |
| 01:43.48 | Iriel | No, we're just living with them as low levels |
| 01:44.05 | Qzot | Which is more populated: alliance or horde? |
| 01:44.08 | Cairenn | hey sarf :) |
| 01:44.14 | Qzot | I'll go create a toon now. |
| 01:44.17 | Iriel | If you need to test something with higher end content, you just have to annoy your normal guild.. I'm sure Tem can talk authoritatively about that |
| 01:44.22 | sarf | Hola |
| 01:44.24 | Kirkburn | Grey is spelt Gray in america isn't it? |
| 01:44.29 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Both ways |
| 01:44.39 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Gray is the 'english' version, IIRC |
| 01:44.42 | Qzot | Gray is preferred. I prefer grey. |
| 01:44.44 | Kirkburn | But Blizzatd say gray don't they |
| 01:44.44 | kaiden | the dominant spelling is gray though :) |
| 01:44.48 | sarf | With grai added in for flavor by enterprising students |
| 01:44.59 | Kirkburn | sancus, I spelt it wrong :) |
| 01:45.04 | sarf | Qzot> I prefer armour, but... |
| 01:45.04 | sancus | lol |
| 01:45.19 | Qzot | That's a grei area of spelling, actually. |
| 01:45.26 | sarf | Or a greit one :) |
| 01:45.36 | Qzot | Or a grate one. :P |
| 01:45.39 | Cairenn | Qzot: which side, alliance or horde? |
| 01:45.43 | sarf | Grated cheese... mmmm |
| 01:45.53 | Qzot | Yes. Which is more populated, guild-wise? |
| 01:45.58 | Kirkburn | I'm most impressed that it got through my crappy overrides section at the start. I think that's down to Iriel though (the good part. Crappyness = me) |
| 01:46.01 | Cairenn | either |
| 01:46.28 | Kirkburn | That sounds like Quantum ... either are more populated? |
| 01:46.29 | sarf | Cairenn> Correct answer to such questions are "both" or "the Bunny side" |
| 01:46.48 | sarf | Short answer: does it matter if there's +/- 5% either way? |
| 01:46.58 | sancus | line 225, attempt to call method `SetColor' (a nil value) |
| 01:47.03 | sancus | (with grey fixed) |
| 01:47.05 | SP|Sorren | ! |
| 01:47.07 | Kirkburn | I'm gonna cry soon |
| 01:47.08 | SP|Sorren | you can see flares again |
| 01:47.10 | Qzot | One of them is more populated. But the states are entwined until I examine them. |
| 01:47.11 | SP|Sorren | wth :< |
| 01:47.23 | sarf | See flares? |
| 01:47.31 | SP|Sorren | hunter flares |
| 01:47.34 | Cairenn | Qzot: neither is a "guild" in the traditional sense of the word, they aren't for high end raiding or anything, just a place for authors to get together, help each other with testing, bitch about stupid end users, shoot the breeze ... same as the channel |
| 01:47.45 | SP|Sorren | they drop a little thingy on the ground |
| 01:47.52 | SP|Sorren | and properly fizz out now |
| 01:47.57 | SP|Sorren | it'd be nice if they put that in the patch notes ;P |
| 01:47.57 | sarf | But with a WoW game stuck in the middle of the screen, Cairenn :) |
| 01:48.08 | Cairenn | and most folks have one on each side, that's why PvE |
| 01:48.10 | sarf | Heh, stealth thingies ftw |
| 01:48.10 | Kirkburn | Hmm, that's a strange one sancus, I see no problem with it here. |
| 01:48.21 | Cairenn | sarf: yeah, easier to do in-game testing that way ;) |
| 01:48.25 | sarf | Bah! |
| 01:48.25 | Kirkburn | no wait |
| 01:48.31 | sarf | That's what users are for! >:) |
| 01:48.32 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 01:48.35 | Kirkburn | sancus : change it to settextcolor |
| 01:48.58 | Kirkburn | And further down the page ... do a find for setcolor and change them all! |
| 01:49.09 | Cairenn | Qzot: make one on each side, just tell me which one to log in first to guild you |
| 01:49.25 | sancus | k |
| 01:49.40 | sarf | Anyone know if/when EU will get 1.10 public test? |
| 01:49.44 | Iriel | Yay, below 2000 in queue now! |
| 01:49.44 | Kirkburn | sancus ... about 15 lines need changing! This is annoying, i've already made these changes |
| 01:49.47 | sarf | (or if it has it already) |
| 01:49.49 | Kirkburn | sarf, we already do |
| 01:49.55 | sarf | Aight. |
| 01:49.56 | Cairenn | what Kirkburn said |
| 01:50.00 | sancus | ultraedit replace all ftw |
| 01:50.02 | sarf | How do I get access? |
| 01:50.23 | sarf | www.wow-europe.com/en/really_secret_public_test_page ? |
| 01:50.28 | Kirkburn | Go to the website? |
| 01:50.29 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 01:50.50 | sarf | Kirkburn> Well, I'd like it if there was a "Pi" symbol to click on. |
| 01:50.52 | Cairenn | http://wow-europe.com/en/ ;) |
| 01:50.59 | Kirkburn | actually it Not_Burning_Crusade_Beta_Really |
| 01:51.25 | sarf | Ah |
| 01:51.27 | Kirkburn | no, send him to wow-europe.com/de/ |
| 01:51.33 | Kirkburn | He deserves it, the lazy bugger |
| 01:51.36 | sarf | I knew there was some minor error in my link! |
| 01:51.40 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 01:51.51 | sarf | I know I'm lazy, that's why I write addons to do my work for me :) |
| 01:52.04 | Kirkburn | Or we could kill your eye-sight by sending you to an asian site |
| 01:52.10 | Kirkburn | MY EYES! MY EYES! |
| 01:52.33 | Cairenn | Qzot: which side first :p |
| 01:52.41 | sancus | ok |
| 01:52.44 | sancus | looks like it's working now |
| 01:52.51 | Kirkburn | Must. Play. Warcraft. Must. Grind. Tyr's Hand good. |
| 01:53.01 | sarf | Why this about Tyr's Hand? |
| 01:53.18 | sarf | Do what a lot of my friends do, buy up white recipes and sell them for 5g+ on the AH |
| 01:53.28 | Kirkburn | Tyr's Hand mobs. Mmm. Money. Me Rogue. Kill. Kill. |
| 01:53.33 | sarf | (I really like the 12g buyout a friend had on Transmute Arcanite) |
| 01:53.47 | SP|Sorren | bah, what's up w/ the tooltips :/ |
| 01:54.05 | Kirkburn | They hate you because you aren't seeing the weather? |
| 01:54.16 | Kirkburn | And by inference, aren't letting me see it? |
| 01:54.22 | sarf | Also, for the location inhibited, doing the "buy rare enchanting recipe from Darnasses vendor and sell on AH" works very good |
| 01:54.36 | Kirkburn | sancus, I just missed what you said ... it's working?! |
| 01:54.39 | sarf | Geez, people start talking about the weather in games. >.< |
| 01:54.57 | Kirkburn | Join 'theweatherchannel' testees |
| 01:55.02 | sancus | Kirkburn: yes, it is working |
| 01:55.11 | Kirkburn | Yay! |
| 01:55.17 | Kirkburn | Thanks sancus :D |
| 01:55.18 | SP|Sorren | tooltips no longer retain any information when hidden |
| 01:55.19 | SP|Sorren | it seems |
| 01:55.55 | Kirkburn | (see, if I'd said that in WoW forums, I would have been got at for saying testees. But you're more mature than that aren't you) |
| 01:56.01 | AnduinLothar | ya, that seems to be the case... |
| 01:56.13 | SP|Sorren | hmmm |
| 01:56.16 | SP|Sorren | how to get around it :/ |
| 01:56.28 | SP|Sorren | show a tooltip offscreen maybe? |
| 01:56.39 | SP|Sorren | thats sounds silly though |
| 01:57.08 | Kirkburn | sancus will be made famous for his effort ... now I just need to put some options in somehow :) |
| 01:57.12 | sancus | http://sancus.off.net/clearfont.jpg |
| 01:57.19 | sarf | Ahh |
| 01:57.21 | sarf | A priest |
| 01:57.25 | sarf | How original of me. |
| 01:57.38 | Iriel | SP|Sorren Are you SURE? |
| 01:57.45 | sarf | sancus> ME WANTS! |
| 01:57.45 | Kirkburn | Beautiful! Although it hasn't loaded the new font, but nvm |
| 01:57.49 | SP|Sorren | i moused over aspect of the hawk buff |
| 01:57.51 | sancus | Kirkburn: the OLD one didn't have options :P |
| 01:57.51 | sarf | sancus> Where do I get it? |
| 01:57.52 | Iriel | SP|Sorren You're not just experiencing an accident IsVisible/IsShown thing? |
| 01:57.56 | SP|Sorren | then did /script GameTooltip:Hide() |
| 01:58.08 | SP|Sorren | then dumped GameTooltipTextLeft1:GetText() |
| 01:58.18 | sancus | sarf: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4528 |
| 01:58.22 | Iriel | SP|Sorren | What if it's not visible, but you dont call Hide on it |
| 01:58.25 | Kirkburn | sancus, well it deserves them |
| 01:58.31 | Kirkburn | sarf don't dl that yet! |
| 01:58.31 | SP|Sorren | anytime its not visible |
| 01:58.34 | SP|Sorren | it seems to have no data |
| 01:58.38 | SP|Sorren | my custom tooltips |
| 01:58.39 | sancus | yeah that might not be completely fixed |
| 01:58.41 | SP|Sorren | which are never shown |
| 01:58.43 | SP|Sorren | never get any info |
| 01:58.43 | sarf | Kirkburn> BWAAHAHAHAHAAAAA... why not? |
| 01:58.50 | Kirkburn | Gimme 2 mins |
| 01:58.53 | sancus | also |
| 01:58.57 | sancus | I want to see the new font :P |
| 01:58.58 | Cairenn | because that version is still buggy ;) |
| 01:59.04 | Iriel | I can see new visible, microscopic scale, 0 alpha tooltips |
| 01:59.07 | Qzot | -.- There is apparently a new threat in Coldridge Valley due to Troggs. |
| 01:59.37 | sarf | sancus> Is there a 1.9.x version? |
| 01:59.45 | Cairenn | Qzot: hello? which side? |
| 01:59.45 | sancus | yeah |
| 01:59.56 | sancus | sarf: it's a framexml hack though |
| 02:00.06 | kaiden | BLARGH, i keep being compelled back to the default ui .... must resist and stick to discordmods :P |
| 02:01.02 | Kirkburn | Uploading now sarf, Cairenn |
| 02:01.09 | sancus | sarf: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4283 |
| 02:01.13 | sancus | That's the 1.9.x version I believe |
| 02:01.33 | Kirkburn | Indeed |
| 02:01.35 | sancus | Which is icky, 1.10 is much better |
| 02:01.43 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 02:02.09 | Kirkburn | Wow Cairenn is so quick, I never saw the confirmation screen |
| 02:02.12 | sancus | Though I still use it.... so it can't be that icky. |
| 02:02.46 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4528 |
| 02:03.08 | sancus | Will this one load the new font? |
| 02:03.28 | Kirkburn | Should do ... I managed to undo that change earlier, much like I did with everything else :S |
| 02:03.35 | sancus | lol |
| 02:04.19 | sarf | Kirkburn> Thank you from the bottom of the black twisted core I call my heart. |
| 02:04.28 | Kirkburn | If it works, I'll put it up on all the sites and change it to say - you can actually use this, yes, it works, I know it's amazing, I'm not that incompetent |
| 02:04.47 | sancus | roofle |
| 02:04.57 | sancus | Grey isnt fixed :p |
| 02:05.05 | Kirkburn | oh bugger it |
| 02:05.33 | Kirkburn | Waitasec, sancus, it is here |
| 02:05.36 | sancus | hmm |
| 02:05.59 | Kirkburn | Should it ge grey or gray? |
| 02:06.01 | Kirkburn | *be |
| 02:06.34 | sarf | Make millions of immature people happy... call it "ghay" |
| 02:06.35 | sancus | Gray |
| 02:06.46 | Kirkburn | Can u check your lua, it's right on my end |
| 02:06.46 | sancus | Did it upload properly? are you changing version numbers |
| 02:07.35 | Kirkburn | Yeah, checking again |
| 02:07.54 | sancus | I have 0.06 at the top, every time I downloa dit |
| 02:08.22 | Kirkburn | Haven't changed that. Okay I'll check all of it over :) |
| 02:09.31 | sancus | I wiped my cache, refreshed, and redownloaded, and am still getting the version with SetColor and Grey broken so im guessing it didnt upload |
| 02:09.39 | Kirkburn | okies |
| 02:10.11 | SP|Sorren | bah |
| 02:10.13 | SP|Sorren | stv sucks |
| 02:10.16 | SP|Sorren | im going to winterspring |
| 02:10.52 | MentalPower | OMG 5k+ queue on the PTR |
| 02:11.30 | Kirkburn | Here we go again ... I did think it uploaded far too quickly before |
| 02:11.43 | Kirkburn | BOO! to Cairenn :) |
| 02:12.23 | Cairenn | It wasn't me last time. I think Kael caught it last time |
| 02:12.26 | Kirkburn | lol, I may have overdone a certain thing |
| 02:12.28 | Cairenn | anyway, approved |
| 02:12.38 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, I don't think it even uploaded last time |
| 02:12.47 | Cairenn | neither do I, actually |
| 02:12.51 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 02:13.07 | Cairenn | cause I was spamming refresh to approve it for you and I never saw it |
| 02:13.30 | Kirkburn | sarf, luv, 'ere ya go: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4528 |
| 02:13.31 | sancus | OK |
| 02:13.44 | sancus | it worked this time and I think the new number font is working too |
| 02:13.52 | Kirkburn | Ooh ... now I need your opinion |
| 02:14.01 | Kirkburn | It affect the bars and money |
| 02:15.55 | sancus | http://sancus.off.net/clearfonttest.jpg |
| 02:16.21 | sancus | I like it on bars |
| 02:16.29 | sarf | Thanks Kirkburn :) |
| 02:16.31 | Kirkburn | Purrfect |
| 02:16.49 | Kirkburn | I'm happy! |
| 02:17.14 | Kirkburn | Perhaps I could Cosmos this one day ;) |
| 02:17.27 | sancus | http://sancus.off.net/clearfonttest.jpg |
| 02:17.29 | sancus | refresh that |
| 02:17.31 | sancus | I opened some bags |
| 02:17.42 | Kirkburn | Well done? |
| 02:17.46 | sancus | Not sure about the numbers on bags, they might be a little too boldy for my test |
| 02:17.51 | sancus | er taste |
| 02:17.53 | Kirkburn | Oh yeah, it does those too |
| 02:17.59 | sancus | on items I mean |
| 02:18.00 | Wobin_ | They are rather thick...=\ |
| 02:18.13 | sancus | They aren't the same as the ones on bars |
| 02:18.27 | Kirkburn | hmm |
| 02:18.44 | sarf | Hmm |
| 02:18.48 | Kirkburn | The greyness is done by the client which is why they're different afaik |
| 02:19.10 | Kirkburn | I'll play around with it, see if I can improve it |
| 02:19.12 | sarf | Is there a good ZG / AQ announcer addon that auto clicks need/greed out there, or is the one we use in our guild better than what's there? |
| 02:19.18 | Kirkburn | The font is Segeo UI for anyone who cares |
| 02:19.24 | Kirkburn | or ... Segoe |
| 02:19.32 | sarf | Segue? |
| 02:19.38 | sancus | Perhaps use a different font for the bag/item numbers since the client does something different to them? |
| 02:20.00 | sancus | I dunno, it's not a big issue, but I'd prefer a bit thinner |
| 02:20.10 | Kirkburn | I meant they both come from the same font description, WoW just greys out the action ones |
| 02:20.15 | sancus | yeah |
| 02:20.28 | Kirkburn | I'll see what I can do |
| 02:20.41 | Kirkburn | Segoe UI will be the Office 2007 / Vista program font |
| 02:20.43 | sancus | You wanted to add options :p |
| 02:20.52 | Kirkburn | Good point! |
| 02:21.07 | Kirkburn | I'll have to steal code from somewhere |
| 02:21.52 | Kirkburn | Anyways, that's enough for tonight. Nice to see I've recruited at least one new member to the cause :) |
| 02:21.57 | sancus | yeah |
| 02:22.08 | sancus | Well, I've used ClearFont for a while and I wanted to make sure it'd work in 1.10 :p |
| 02:22.22 | Kirkburn | Cool ... oh btw, do u use the Step 2 thing? |
| 02:23.02 | Kirkburn | It *should* change the nameplate fonts to CF as well |
| 02:23.29 | sancus | No I never bothered to do the Step 2 thing |
| 02:23.53 | Kirkburn | Try it out ... it's needed for 1.10 unfortunately |
| 02:24.02 | Kirkburn | (to do the nameplates ... in 1.9 I could code that) |
| 02:25.13 | sarf | I'll peek on ClearFont 1.10 when I get up by tomorrow. Might be less than 7.2k people in queue to Test Realm by then, too. :) |
| 02:25.21 | sarf | Sleep well, all! |
| 02:25.41 | Kirkburn | See ya |
| 02:25.43 | Cairenn | night sarf|sleep, sweet dreams |
| 02:26.38 | sancus | ah |
| 02:26.55 | sancus | Well, I'll fiddle with that later |
| 02:27.55 | AnduinLothar | Anyone have any interest in a Multi-line editbox in a StaticPopup? |
| 02:28.23 | Kirkburn | I'm off to bed now as well ... night night all! |
| 02:28.28 | Cairenn | night Kirkburn |
| 02:28.52 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn (n=George@151.56.220.52) |
| 02:51.22 | AnduinLothar | soo... can i create ScrollFrames uing the 1.10 dynamic frames? |
| 02:51.43 | AnduinLothar | and editboxs? |
| 02:51.46 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : That's a good question, i would imagine the answer is YES, |
| 02:51.53 | Iriel | But I dont know how easy it is to get at the scrollchild |
| 02:58.18 | Qzot | Catch you all later. Now have level 5 lock (with imp) on Draka. Will try to guild after dinner. |
| 03:00.36 | Iriel | cya |
| 03:00.54 | SP|Sorren | FINALLY, RAIN! |
| 03:01.02 | SP|Sorren | its purty |
| 03:01.15 | AnduinLothar | i liek the snow |
| 03:03.15 | SP|Sorren | i was gonna go see the snow |
| 03:03.20 | SP|Sorren | but no flight points lol |
| 03:03.24 | Osagasu | I've never seen the snow |
| 03:03.25 | Osagasu | >.< |
| 03:03.35 | SP|Sorren | no way im trekking all the way from org to ws or if :P |
| 03:03.39 | Osagasu | I made two hordies. a priest and a shaman |
| 03:10.55 | Iriel | So I'm finally at 323 in the test realm queue, and chances are i'm going to have to log off and do something else before I get on.. argh |
| 03:11.19 | AnduinLothar | welcome to hell |
| 03:11.21 | Tain | heh that was my entire day today, Iriel. |
| 03:11.40 | Tain | When I did manage to get in for a few minutes I logged out to enable/disable different addons, and WoW crashed. |
| 03:12.01 | sancus | If you just close WoW, you can log back in without queue |
| 03:12.52 | Tain | Yeah? I'll have to remember that, I got too frustrated by it and went on to doing what I was really supposed to be doing in the first place. |
| 03:12.58 | Tain | So really it was for the best all in all. |
| 03:13.07 | Tain | But I didn't get to create any frames from thin air. :( |
| 03:13.47 | Osagasu | It only lets you do that for 3/5 minutes though |
| 03:14.01 | Tain | Good to know. |
| 03:15.10 | Iriel | Hm, down to 234, maybe there's hope for me |
| 03:15.58 | *** join/#wowi-lounge kaiden (n=kaiden@c-24-19-203-169.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 03:15.58 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Does CreateFrame("ScrollFrame", "Bob") not work? |
| 03:16.08 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : (re your request for CreateScrollFrame) |
| 03:16.11 | AnduinLothar | you tell me |
| 03:16.19 | Iriel | I'm not on the server! |
| 03:16.23 | AnduinLothar | neither am i |
| 03:16.26 | Iriel | You work there, you can test that on your QA server 8-) |
| 03:16.34 | AnduinLothar | I'm not at work |
| 03:16.52 | AnduinLothar | they wont let us irc at work |
| 03:17.08 | Iriel | Probably for the best, it's a horrible distraction 8-) |
| 03:17.31 | Iriel | Slouken posted re: tooltips |
| 03:17.34 | Iriel | Slouken: It's not intentional, and I can't imagine what might have changed to break it...' |
| 03:19.39 | Osagasu | Did I mention that the patch breaks CastOptions and Ace? >.> |
| 03:19.59 | Osagasu | It breaks castoptions bad. It makes it do the thing looklock does |
| 03:20.09 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 03:20.16 | Cairenn | so post info: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3926 |
| 03:20.22 | Cairenn | that's what the thread is there for |
| 03:20.31 | Cairenn | help them track it down and get it fixed :p |
| 03:20.46 | Osagasu | I haven't been able to get HTTP Access since I put characters on the Test Realm |
| 03:20.52 | Osagasu | my ISP is majorly borked. |
| 03:23.27 | Osagasu | Got in now though, posting the errors I know I got. |
| 03:27.02 | Iriel | Finally in! |
| 03:28.33 | cladhaire | Anyone know how to "unlock" a chat frame? |
| 03:28.50 | AnduinLothar | u mean the function? |
| 03:29.07 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 03:29.16 | Iriel | It's one of the FCF functions |
| 03:29.39 | Osagasu | Why has Blizzard locked down so much? |
| 03:29.43 | AnduinLothar | FCF_SetLocked(chatFrame, locked, init); |
| 03:29.48 | cladhaire | I'm having issues with the chatframes.. i want to move them and resize them-- but they seem very picky |
| 03:29.51 | cladhaire | Anduin: thanks =) |
| 03:31.15 | Osagasu | I don't see what C alls they locked down in the 1.10 changes thread |
| 03:31.33 | Tem|PTR | Jesus! |
| 03:31.41 | Tem|PTR | there are 12 WSG instances on the test realm |
| 03:31.44 | Iriel | They haven't locked down THAT much |
| 03:31.52 | Osagasu | It sure seems like it |
| 03:32.19 | Iriel | That's just because of all the whining abotu the few things they did lock down |
| 03:32.28 | Tem|PTR | oh Iriel, I guess you made an alliance toon? |
| 03:34.16 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Yes, you can create ScrollFrame's with CreateFrame |
| 03:34.33 | Iriel | Tem|PTR : On the PTR? Yes.. Lua |
| 03:34.33 | AnduinLothar | can you get to the child? |
| 03:34.33 | Tem|PTR | hehe |
| 03:34.34 | Tem|PTR | I made Crasher |
| 03:34.46 | Tem|PTR | Hpriest #9832798752 that's actually a mage |
| 03:35.40 | Tem|PTR | I'm liking being horde |
| 03:35.51 | Osagasu | I noticed that the character was a mage before I made it |
| 03:36.03 | Osagasu | I was hovering over the button: "WTF, mage? o.O" |
| 03:36.41 | Tem|PTR | so I played a WSG earlier |
| 03:36.49 | Tem|PTR | PUG vs PUG |
| 03:36.54 | Tem|PTR | it was like night and day |
| 03:37.30 | Tem|PTR | the horde don't yell "ur a dumbshit HEALZ PLZ" at each other |
| 03:37.40 | Iriel | The new flight path UI is different. |
| 03:37.46 | Iriel | But nice to see my line code works |
| 03:37.47 | Tem|PTR | oh, I haven't tried it yet |
| 03:37.47 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 03:37.57 | Osagasu | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-test&t=152330&p=1&tmp=1#post152330 <--Xd |
| 03:37.59 | Osagasu | *xD |
| 03:38.47 | Tem|PTR | are they saying that CTRA doesn't load? |
| 03:38.54 | cladhaire | That thread is horribly bad. |
| 03:39.37 | AnduinLothar | ctra tells you it's using a 'Blizzard UI Only" function and has a popup to disable it |
| 03:39.38 | Osagasu | Did I mention that the Colors for several of the Dungeon 2 sets suck? |
| 03:39.41 | AnduinLothar | and reloadui |
| 03:40.41 | Kremonte | i dont get it |
| 03:40.43 | Kremonte | why does it say blocked? |
| 03:40.59 | Iriel | You can't hook movement or click functions anymore |
| 03:41.02 | Iriel | it's trying to hook or call one |
| 03:41.32 | Kremonte | why do so many addons say that? ._. |
| 03:41.35 | Tem|PTR | I can't imagine which |
| 03:41.45 | Tem|PTR | CTRA doesn't use anything like that |
| 03:42.14 | AnduinLothar | cide already answered that question. read the ui board |
| 03:42.16 | Osagasu | and you have to go to Gadgetzan to get pieces for the new sets |
| 03:42.43 | AnduinLothar | that's just the beginning o fht equest |
| 03:42.48 | AnduinLothar | it's a long chain |
| 03:43.10 | sancus | the funniest thing about that thread |
| 03:43.17 | sancus | is it wouldn't exist if people had any reading comprehension at all |
| 03:43.26 | Osagasu | No, but you can't be KOS to Gadgetzan |
| 03:43.31 | sancus | the sentence "X mod has been blocked from performing an action" != "X mod has been blocked" |
| 03:43.44 | Osagasu | Which means that Blodsail friendlies are blocked out |
| 03:43.57 | Kremonte | wtf |
| 03:44.00 | Kremonte | are you serious? |
| 03:44.08 | Kremonte | wtf is the point of enabling bloodsail rep/rewards |
| 03:44.11 | Kremonte | you can't do fishing contests |
| 03:44.15 | Kremonte | you can't get tier.5 |
| 03:44.32 | sancus | you can always regain your old rep after you get the fancy hat |
| 03:44.34 | sancus | if you want to |
| 03:44.38 | Kremonte | um |
| 03:44.46 | Osagasu | you know that's insanely hard? |
| 03:44.49 | Kremonte | that's about 50x the already ridiculous amount of work |
| 03:44.49 | sancus | I know. |
| 03:44.52 | Iriel | So it would appear you can just click on a multi-hop flight path and you'll go the whole way |
| 03:44.54 | Kremonte | which is stupid |
| 03:45.00 | Kremonte | that is asinine.. |
| 03:45.00 | Osagasu | Yep Iriel |
| 03:45.06 | sancus | The point of it being in game is as a stupid amusing easter egg for people who are originally crazy |
| 03:45.09 | sancus | so I don't see how it matters |
| 03:45.13 | Kremonte | um |
| 03:45.21 | Kremonte | they put things you can only do in these towns |
| 03:45.26 | Kremonte | that's not a stupid amusing easter egg |
| 03:45.26 | AnduinLothar | right iriel. and before you ask, it charges you for each leg as you pass over the next point |
| 03:45.27 | Iriel | though it appears to debit your money in-flight, so what happens if you dont have enough to finish the route? |
| 03:45.29 | sancus | no |
| 03:45.33 | sancus | bloodsail rep is a stupid amusing easter egg |
| 03:45.40 | AnduinLothar | it check |
| 03:45.42 | AnduinLothar | s |
| 03:45.53 | Kremonte | ok, and? |
| 03:45.56 | AnduinLothar | to board the flight it checks for the entire sum |
| 03:45.58 | sancus | If you want to break your rep with multiple major towns that you know are useful to get a silly hat |
| 03:46.01 | sancus | that's your choice |
| 03:46.05 | Kremonte | make highly popular/populated things require that you never do it? |
| 03:46.06 | Iriel | Is there no way of 'losing money' during a flight? |
| 03:46.14 | Kremonte | it wasn't my choice to have t.5 sets in gadgetzan |
| 03:46.17 | Iriel | I can't think of any, offhand |
| 03:46.17 | AnduinLothar | not that I know of |
| 03:46.28 | sancus | I don't see what you're complaining about |
| 03:46.30 | Kremonte | i don't mind flying to BB KOS, but now i can't get a good deal of items |
| 03:46.34 | Iriel | Unless trade windows stay open when you start the flight |
| 03:46.39 | Kremonte | are you KOS with steamwheedle? |
| 03:46.43 | sancus | GZ is an important, useful town, you should've guessed that there would be important, useful things in there from time to time. |
| 03:46.43 | AnduinLothar | but if you get disconnected I believe you stop at the next stop |
| 03:46.48 | Kremonte | then of course you don't. |
| 03:46.50 | sancus | Going KoS with them for a silly hat is what we call a "bad choice" |
| 03:46.57 | AnduinLothar | rather than going the whole way |
| 03:47.04 | Kremonte | it wasn't my choice to put gear questsi n gadgetzan |
| 03:47.09 | sancus | ? |
| 03:47.14 | sancus | It was your choice to make it so you can't go to GZ, though. |
| 03:47.17 | Kremonte | it was a fun thing to do because i didn't need anything from any of the towns |
| 03:47.26 | sancus | you used to not need anything |
| 03:47.29 | sancus | now you do, mmogs change |
| 03:47.31 | Kremonte | exactly. |
| 03:47.35 | Kremonte | lol? |
| 03:47.41 | Kremonte | wow you are making no sense |
| 03:47.42 | Kremonte | i'll go afk now |
| 03:47.59 | sancus | ZHC + ToEP USED to be incredibly powerful together, now they are much less useful, HOW DARE BLIZ CHANGE THE FUNCTIONALITY?? |
| 03:48.15 | Kremonte | you can still get them |
| 03:48.19 | Kremonte | ^_ |
| 03:48.20 | Kremonte | ^_^ |
| 03:48.32 | Kremonte | by the way, they are still incredibly powerful |
| 03:48.46 | sancus | There's no good reason to have both anymore |
| 03:48.53 | Kremonte | yes there is |
| 03:49.00 | Kremonte | use them one after another so you almost always have a bonus |
| 03:49.14 | AnduinLothar | arg... StaticPopup_Show is huge... 300+ lines |
| 03:49.28 | sancus | lol |
| 03:51.22 | SP|Sorren | how is titan regen calling a blizzard only function? |
| 03:51.54 | sancus | It seems to be hooking functions that require a keypress does it. |
| 03:56.45 | SP|Sorren | now critline is calling a blizzard only function |
| 03:56.46 | SP|Sorren | ;O |
| 04:05.06 | SP|Sorren | wth |
| 04:05.10 | SP|Sorren | multishot is canceling auotshot |
| 04:08.32 | Kremonte | wow |
| 04:08.39 | Kremonte | reading this thread on shadowmeld makes me seriously want to reroll horde |
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| 04:09.11 | Kremonte | 'lo slo |
| 04:09.26 | AnduinLothar | hey slou |
| 04:09.32 | Cairenn | fixie dust! |
| 04:09.37 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 04:09.58 | AnduinLothar | home already? |
| 04:10.28 | Kremonte | can anyone suggest me a good pvp server to roll a horde toon? :Q |
| 04:10.42 | slouken | toontown for da Horde! |
| 04:11.03 | Kremonte | go fetch! |
| 04:11.07 | Kremonte | (good, he's gone) |
| 04:11.13 | slouken | ~lart Kremonte |
| 04:11.14 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 04:12.09 | AnduinLothar | i can't get the test client workign on my mac :'( |
| 04:12.14 | SP|Sorren | hiya slouken 8) |
| 04:12.15 | Cairenn | Kremonte: you are completely oblivious, you know that? you're still treading a very thin line from a week ago, I'd suggest you really not push your luck |
| 04:12.29 | Kremonte | eh? |
| 04:12.48 | Cairenn | as I said, completely oblivious |
| 04:12.52 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 04:12.54 | Kremonte | kk |
| 04:13.24 | AnduinLothar | spose that works.. |
| 04:13.40 | Cairenn | didn't say he had to leave, that was his own choice |
| 04:13.47 | AnduinLothar | slou, you get my email? |
| 04:13.48 | Cairenn | just told him to watch his step |
| 04:14.11 | AnduinLothar | or do you not check your blizz mail at home |
| 04:14.24 | Codayus | Erg, the whining on the forums about the dungeon 2 sets is really getting to me. |
| 04:14.50 | AnduinLothar | i jsut think it's humerous they're callign m dungeon 2.. |
| 04:14.53 | sancus | why |
| 04:14.53 | Cairenn | the whining on the forums about fricking everything is getting to me |
| 04:14.54 | Osagasu | I only have one problem with it. The warlock set is light blue! 0.0 |
| 04:14.54 | Codayus | My policy of not reading forums to save my blood pressure is conflicting with my urge to read about the new items in 1.10.... |
| 04:14.57 | sancus | thats what forums are for, whining |
| 04:15.19 | sancus | Actually, the Test forum is uncharacteristically shitty, maybe because its the weekend |
| 04:15.29 | sancus | Usually they lay the delete smackdown on anything that isn't a serious discussion/bug report |
| 04:15.42 | sancus | Its kinda nice |
| 04:15.58 | sancus | But right now all the whiny 'DONT NERF SHADOWMELD' etc posts are taking over |
| 04:16.21 | Codayus | What's getting me is people whining about the dungeon 2 sets being not good enough/too expensive(!) etc. |
| 04:16.30 | slouken | I nerfed shadowmeld. |
| 04:16.33 | slouken | Take that! |
| 04:16.42 | SP|Sorren | i almost want to reroll to disassociate from the hunter class :< |
| 04:16.46 | SP|Sorren | they're all so whiny |
| 04:16.49 | slouken | No more aimed shot from shadowmeld! |
| 04:16.50 | slouken | hah! |
| 04:16.57 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 04:16.58 | sancus | slouken: You're such a liar, you didn't nerf it :P |
| 04:17.19 | AnduinLothar | I saw you can't do it from feign either, yay |
| 04:17.19 | SP|Sorren | who ninja nerfed flare slouken, was that you too? |
| 04:17.22 | slouken | (that's what they're talking about, right? I haven't been watching the test forum) |
| 04:17.30 | sancus | slouken: yes |
| 04:17.43 | Tem|PTR | wow so I rolled undead for my copy character |
| 04:17.46 | slouken | nerf flare! That immune guy won't attack you anymore damnit! |
| 04:17.54 | Tem|PTR | WotF is even more broken than I previously thought |
| 04:17.55 | sancus | Also that the Tier 0.5 set quests are "too hard" |
| 04:17.57 | slouken | wait, nerf flare? |
| 04:18.08 | SP|Sorren | its got a neat little graphic now |
| 04:18.10 | sancus | flare has a visible radius now |
| 04:18.12 | SP|Sorren | i admit its pretty |
| 04:18.14 | sancus | so rogues can just walk around it |
| 04:18.22 | SP|Sorren | but eh :P |
| 04:18.38 | SP|Sorren | i demand a buff to flare to compensate |
| 04:18.40 | sancus | Hunters just don't know when to accept that they're amazingly powerful and keep quiet. |
| 04:18.42 | SP|Sorren | such as being able to cook on it |
| 04:18.49 | SP|Sorren | that would be awesome. |
| 04:18.53 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 04:18.59 | sancus | I haven't made a single post complaining about the ZHC+ToEP nerf :P |
| 04:19.17 | Tem|PTR | the trinket nerf hurts me |
| 04:19.31 | Tem|PTR | mostly because I feel it's anger directed at the wrong items |
| 04:19.40 | Tem|PTR | though, it's really not that much of a nerf |
| 04:19.41 | slouken | yes, those designers are furious! |
| 04:19.51 | Tem|PTR | haha |
| 04:20.06 | Codayus | The wining about the new armor quests is just...grrrr. |
| 04:20.06 | Tem|PTR | I dunno, I just think it's the 'normie's' faults |
| 04:20.23 | sancus | meh |
| 04:20.38 | sancus | If the trinket nerf is a placebo that shuts up people whining about being two-shot by mages then it's a good change |
| 04:20.41 | sancus | ... however I doubt it will |
| 04:20.59 | SP|Sorren | im moving to crying about warlocks |
| 04:21.00 | Codayus | Now, the look of the new priest set...THAT'S worth whining about. ZOMG, ugly yellow...ugly...thing...eww?! |
| 04:21.01 | Tem|PTR | it's a stupid complain |
| 04:21.03 | SP|Sorren | one just soulfired me for 2960 |
| 04:21.04 | Tem|PTR | t |
| 04:21.05 | SP|Sorren | ;P |
| 04:21.24 | sancus | haha soulfire |
| 04:21.27 | Tem|PTR | yeah so, Holy Fire crit me for 1400 earlier |
| 04:21.32 | MentalPower | yellow is the exact opposite of ble |
| 04:21.32 | Tem|PTR | that scared the crap out of me |
| 04:21.38 | sancus | You can crit smite for 2k easily |
| 04:21.43 | MentalPower | s/ble/blue/ |
| 04:21.43 | sancus | now |
| 04:21.53 | sancus | So 1400 from Holy Fire really isnt that great |
| 04:22.02 | Tem|PTR | sancus: I had no idea |
| 04:22.11 | Tem|PTR | honestly, I'd never been hit by it before |
| 04:22.32 | Iriel | Someone still needs to fix Feign Death then Lay Trap |
| 04:22.33 | sancus | Yeah, not many people specced holy damage before. |
| 04:22.37 | Tem|PTR | we typically refer to holy fire as the dev's last practical joke on the player base |
| 04:22.38 | Iriel | (On the subject of we hunters) |
| 04:22.51 | sancus | But holy damage is immensely powerful now |
| 04:22.54 | sancus | probably better than Shadow for pvp |
| 04:23.03 | Tem|PTR | yeah so the 2 shot by a mage thing? that really annoys me |
| 04:23.06 | sancus | certainly better for burst damage |
| 04:23.13 | Tem|PTR | because ANYONE can 2 shot me |
| 04:23.16 | Codayus | Devout is pretty. The new set is the exact opposite of pretty. :-P |
| 04:23.29 | Tem|PTR | why can't I do the same to them? |
| 04:23.35 | sancus | shaman, druids, mages, warlocks, and now priests, can all two-shot almost every class in the game. |
| 04:24.04 | Tem|PTR | I can't take a shadow priest or a SL lock |
| 04:24.07 | Tem|PTR | they both eat my face |
| 04:24.11 | sancus | what class are you |
| 04:24.19 | Tem|PTR | but I'm not really scared to take on anyone else 1v1 |
| 04:24.21 | Tem|PTR | mage |
| 04:24.24 | sancus | ah, me too |
| 04:24.37 | sancus | I kill shadow priests easily enough |
| 04:24.43 | Tem|PTR | I dunno, the two shotting thing is kind of a myth for me |
| 04:24.46 | Tem|PTR | I only ever did it once |
| 04:24.54 | sancus | But then, I'm in full Tier 2 epics |
| 04:24.55 | Tem|PTR | and it was to a poorly geared warrior in AV |
| 04:25.07 | Tem|PTR | I'm in about half t1 |
| 04:25.11 | Tem|PTR | both trinkets |
| 04:25.20 | Tem|PTR | my jewlery is the best part of my gear |
| 04:25.25 | sancus | Arcane Power mage in Netherwind can 1v1 any class in the game except Soul Link Warlocks specifically |
| 04:25.47 | Tem|PTR | Choker of the Fire Lord, both trinkets, the Neutral ring from the brood |
| 04:25.58 | Tem|PTR | god I can't wait to get 8/8 NW |
| 04:26.04 | sancus | The value of being able to 1v1 a bunch of classes though, is really entertainment value only |
| 04:26.06 | Tem|PTR | that bonus looks so amazingly good |
| 04:26.12 | sancus | It's fun |
| 04:26.23 | Tem|PTR | is it as game-breaking awesome as I think it is? |
| 04:26.23 | sancus | Not as useful as it looks for raiding, but it's a fun bonus which is the main thing |
| 04:26.51 | sancus | Nah not really, it's handy in pvp no doubt, but it usually doesn't proc when you need it to |
| 04:27.39 | Tem|PTR | haha |
| 04:27.40 | Tem|PTR | naturally |
| 04:27.52 | Tem|PTR | my guild has kind of stagnated with progression |
| 04:28.00 | Tem|PTR | stupid AQ gates opening |
| 04:28.02 | sancus | I'm not trading it in for Enigma, for sure |
| 04:28.13 | sancus | But I will most likely happily trade it in for Tier 3 in naxxramas, even if the set bonus isnt as cool |
| 04:28.14 | Tem|PTR | yeah Enigma doesn't interest me all that much |
| 04:28.30 | Tem|PTR | that the necropolis? |
| 04:28.34 | sancus | yes |
| 04:28.39 | Tem|PTR | I haven't heard much about the next raid instance |
| 04:28.58 | sancus | Well we don't know much, the final boss will be kel'thuzad, and it will most likely require shadow and frost resistance |
| 04:29.01 | sancus | Other than that, who knows |
| 04:29.51 | sancus | Hopefully we'll have AQ on farm status by 1.11, Ouro, Visc, and C'thun are all extremely tough |
| 04:30.05 | Tem|PTR | hmm, the Battlefield minimap has a cow in AB |
| 04:30.14 | Tem|PTR | that's no good |
| 04:30.19 | Tem|PTR | I love that thing |
| 04:34.59 | Tem|PTR | slouken: has that been reported yet? |
| 04:35.16 | MentalPower | a cow? |
| 04:35.47 | Cairenn | an Americanism meaning it freaks out |
| 04:35.50 | MentalPower | as in literally has a cow or metaphorically is having a cow? |
| 04:36.01 | MentalPower | ok, got it |
| 04:36.18 | MentalPower | was a little worried there for a sec :) |
| 04:36.57 | Cairenn | (there are advantages to being Canadian ... can translate American <-> European) |
| 04:37.14 | Cairenn | *grin* |
| 04:37.21 | Tain | Ow |
| 04:37.44 | Cairenn | ow? |
| 04:37.50 | Tain | Moving hurts. |
| 04:37.56 | Cairenn | ah |
| 04:37.58 | Cairenn | yeah, it does |
| 04:38.22 | Cairenn | other than the pain, how goes the move? |
| 04:39.21 | Tain | Ok. Got all th big stuff into storage. Still have to finish up with some miscellanous things. But almost done. |
| 04:39.33 | Cairenn | good |
| 04:40.07 | Tain | I was going to come pick up my ferrets and computer and head back to the new place to sleep, but I think I'm too tired for all that and just going to pass out on the couch that I'm tossing out here instead. |
| 04:40.11 | Cairenn | I get to look forward to it sometime in the next year, unless something changes drastically between now and then |
| 04:40.55 | Tain | Obviously sometimes great things occur because of a move, but I hate moving. It really is high on my list of distasteful activities. |
| 04:41.14 | Tain | And since apartment-hunting is also high on the list they get lumped together for extra suckiness. |
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| 04:55.31 | Tem|PTR | wow! |
| 04:55.35 | Tem|PTR | 15 WSG instances up |
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| 05:09.42 | End | helllllo everyone |
| 05:10.08 | Cairenn | hey End |
| 05:10.31 | End | hi! |
| 05:12.38 | Cairenn | you seem to be in a fine mood this eve' |
| 05:13.14 | End | I guess I am |
| 05:13.47 | Cairenn | nice to see someone who's having a good one :) |
| 05:15.48 | Tem|PTR | WotF doesn't work on the fear caused by Death Coil!? |
| 05:23.01 | Qzot | (Back) |
| 05:23.07 | Cairenn | (front) |
| 05:23.12 | Qzot | hehe |
| 05:24.04 | sancus | death coil is a horror effect, not fear |
| 05:24.17 | Qzot | Question for the peanut gallery... I've been off reading the feature requests for PartyAims. Basically, it seems like the main request is to be able to customize and tweak. |
| 05:24.20 | sancus | Nothing breaks it |
| 05:24.53 | Qzot | I hate writing UIs. But the question is, should I go ahead and build one now, or wait for dynamic ones in 1.10? |
| 05:25.32 | Qzot | More explicitly: A simple UI to customize a few values. |
| 05:26.04 | Qzot | Or ... I can just keep filling up screen space. |
| 05:26.09 | Qzot | With further comments. |
| 05:27.05 | Tain | I don't think that the UI changes in 1.10 will really have any effect on configuration screens for addons. |
| 05:27.15 | Tain | I mean they can, but they shouldn't. |
| 05:27.58 | Tain | You'd still have to basically do the same things, you could just skip one step of listing a frame in xml. |
| 05:28.09 | Qzot | Hmm. I was thinking of implementing a simple configurator that took a table (your configuration settings) and a few hints, and dynamically constructed a UI to allow the user to tweak the values. |
| 05:28.44 | Qzot | But that builds really ugly UIs. |
| 05:28.53 | Qzot | Usable by developers. But ugly. |
| 05:28.57 | Tain | You certainly could. There's really nothing stopping it. I think my only question is whether or not that really is a help or not. |
| 05:29.18 | Tain | I think it's a neat idea though, especially if it were something that would be shared by more than one addon. |
| 05:29.27 | Qzot | Heh. Definitely. |
| 05:29.41 | Iriel | Qzot: You'd want to add the capability to include layout hints |
| 05:29.49 | Qzot | That's the problem. |
| 05:29.52 | Iriel | I think you coul dget a quite reasonable looking result with just those basics |
| 05:30.09 | Tain | So I will revise my statement. It hink it doesn't add much for a single addon, and might just be more complicated. But it could help be a template for GUI configs for multiple addons. |
| 05:30.13 | Qzot | Actually, not so much the layout hints, but the what-are-acceptable-values hints. |
| 05:31.01 | Iriel | provide direct support for the simple cases, and callback functions for the complex ones |
| 05:31.06 | Qzot | I have to admit I'm not a huge fan of the way WoW handles dependent packages. That's always a hard problem. |
| 05:31.13 | Iriel | The in-game UI Options panels are a reasonable approach |
| 05:31.39 | Iriel | albeit restricted |
| 05:31.41 | Qzot | Maybe I don't know about those. (I really *really* avoid UIs. :D) |
| 05:32.30 | Qzot | So, I'm always tempted to produce a 'module' that is re-run in every addon. |
| 05:33.07 | Cairenn | Qzot: argh, terminology ... |
| 05:33.47 | Qzot | A 2nd approach is a configurator that doesn't figure out how to build a UI control for configs from the config values itself, but... |
| 05:34.12 | Iriel | I'm personally a fan of embeddable libraries |
| 05:34.42 | Qzot | ...instead you pass it a pointer to a table, and you pass it a [[]] string which encode a simple form of the stuff thats currently in the UI, *plus* information about what values are legal. |
| 05:34.55 | Iriel | As long as it's smart enough tp remove unnecessary duplicate copies. |
| 05:35.04 | Qzot | If I parse 'embeddable libraries' correctly, I am, too. |
| 05:35.44 | Iriel | It's more or less what you described |
| 05:35.56 | Iriel | File(s) you include in all the addons that need it |
| 05:36.06 | Iriel | Doing it well also makes sure you dont have versioning issues |
| 05:36.14 | Qzot | I have about 20 lines that are at the top of every main addon I write. |
| 05:36.23 | Qzot | Aye, there's the rub. |
| 05:37.11 | Iriel | I keep meaning to put together a template for doing that nicely |
| 05:37.20 | Tain | I personally think embeddable libraries work best when it's only one person using them. Sure, if everyone follows the proper conventions it'll all work out fine. |
| 05:37.45 | Qzot | I've thought about making some assumptions about WoW's loading, and putting together a semi-disposable library based on those assumptions. |
| 05:37.46 | Tain | But every time you introduce someone else into the mix you introduce someone doing something differently, and they can throw it off. |
| 05:38.11 | Iriel | Well, the problem is multiple AUTHORS |
| 05:38.16 | Iriel | Multiple users shouldn't be a problem |
| 05:38.19 | Tain | Exactly what I just... meant to say. |
| 05:38.21 | Qzot | Well, what about this...? |
| 05:38.25 | Iriel | Qzot: I documented the loading procedure |
| 05:38.40 | Iriel | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Code_Load_Order |
| 05:38.40 | Qzot | Of course you did. I should have known. :P |
| 05:38.47 | Tain | Well, exactly what I just thought I said. But I wasn't clear. :) |
| 05:39.13 | Tain | Never can trust authors. Users are bad enough, but authors can really screw everything up. |
| 05:39.24 | Qzot | Do all the .lua files for one addon get loaded, and the OnLoad called, before the next AddOn gets loaded? That's what I would need for my trick to work. |
| 05:39.32 | Qzot | Hey! |
| 05:39.52 | Qzot | I mean, I can go look at the web page, but the expert is right here. :D |
| 05:39.56 | Tain | I didn't say authors *do* screw everything up. But some do. :) |
| 05:40.13 | Qzot | You can trust me. |
| 05:40.17 | Qzot | And I can prove it. |
| 05:40.23 | Qzot | Send me all your credit card numbers. |
| 05:40.46 | Tain | That's not a matter of trust. You'd be the one getting laughed at if you tried to use those for anything. |
| 05:40.47 | GenNMX|Thrae | Qzot: Addons should be loaded in alphabetical / sorted order by their directory name. |
| 05:41.02 | cladhaire | Iriel, isn't http://wow.pastebin.com/584580 just a simple template for embeds? |
| 05:41.20 | cladhaire | The main issue being if the functions from the previous version are stored anywhere, there's no way to kill those references |
| 05:41.32 | Qzot | GenNMX: o.O Really? It doesn't guarantee dependencies loading in the correct order?? |
| 05:41.58 | Iriel | cladhaire : That's simple, but not very good. |
| 05:42.04 | cladhaire | What would you change? |
| 05:42.05 | GenNMX|Thrae | Qzot: Dependencies should be loaded as found, yes. |
| 05:42.11 | Iriel | cladhaire : I'd support 2 things... |
| 05:42.23 | cladhaire | I haven't refined my embed approach-- but I have one i'm looking to release soon =) |
| 05:42.26 | Tain | You can't trust alphabetical order unfortunately since it's more complicated. It can change depending on what a client's locale settings are. |
| 05:42.35 | Iriel | cladhaire : 1 : Updated 'minor versions' of a major version replacing the older minor versions (in all places they're used) |
| 05:42.42 | GenNMX|Thrae | True |
| 05:42.45 | Iriel | cladhaire : 2 : Co-existance of incompatible major versions |
| 05:43.01 | Tain | My embed approach isn't very good. I mean I try to open with, "What's a nice girl like you doing in a place like this?" but it doesn't get me enbed anywhere. |
| 05:43.06 | Iriel | Never, ever, make assumptions of addon load order in the absence of dependencies unless it's on YOUR machine for YOUR OWN use only |
| 05:43.10 | cladhaire | =) |
| 05:43.30 | Qzot | Anyhoo, I'm not asking about addon load order. |
| 05:43.43 | Iriel | Qzot: To your earlier question, yes, each addon is loaded as a whole (In the absence of 'LoadAddOn') in the order specified in the .toc |
| 05:44.05 | Iriel | Qzot : the linked document above gives some of the more thorny details (and frame construction order) |
| 05:44.09 | Tain | Yeah, on my machine I just prefix zzz to the addon I want loaded last. heh |
| 05:44.30 | Qzot | The guarantee I want is that the OnLoad calls for the addon being loaded are complete before the next addon's .lua files are brought into the address space. |
| 05:44.31 | cladhaire | Iriel: I understand what you mean about #2, but not sure how to approach it in an elegant way at all, but I'm confused about #1. I should be covering #1 with the basic version check I have-- it just forces the author to use a 1.2, 1.3 convention instead of any other. |
| 05:44.33 | Tem|PTR | hmm either the Quest Exp for Gold thing isn't working on the PTR or you get no gold for pvp quest exp |
| 05:45.02 | Qzot | Iriel: I'm looking at the doc. Having found the question I'm asking yet. |
| 05:45.08 | cladhaire | holy crap.. 5770 in queue now |
| 05:45.23 | Iriel | Qzot: It is covered.. |
| 05:45.31 | Qzot | Yup. There it is. |
| 05:45.32 | Tem|PTR | and that's why I queued up and then went on errands this afternoon |
| 05:45.39 | cladhaire | lol |
| 05:45.40 | Qzot | Okay. I think my scheme would work. |
| 05:45.42 | cladhaire | i was in earlier today |
| 05:45.47 | Qzot | (1) Create a Lib.lua. |
| 05:45.55 | Tem|PTR | cladhaire: this is wicked fin |
| 05:45.56 | Tem|PTR | fun |
| 05:45.59 | Tain | Hell with it, might as well queue up now before i go to bed. |
| 05:46.16 | Tem|PTR | playing BGs against people who aren't playing their normal classes is hillarious |
| 05:46.22 | Qzot | (2) It essentially contains the definition of a single table, named LIB or something in the global namespace. |
| 05:46.30 | Tem|PTR | I'm 5-10 killing blows ahead of the whole place ever round |
| 05:46.36 | Iriel | I'd make it a table with keys of the major versions |
| 05:46.40 | Tem|PTR | s/ever/every/ |
| 05:47.14 | Qzot | (3) The other .lua files can call a single function in LIB, and request functions to be copied from LIB to that table. They're actually mostly methods and stuff. |
| 05:47.46 | Qzot | (4) The end of that call removes LIB from the global namespace, so that LIB can be pretty large without consuming permanent memory. I think. |
| 05:48.25 | cladhaire | Iriel: But then we'd have to localize the reference at the beginning of any lua files that use it with the correct version.. since we can't cross chunks with locals |
| 05:48.32 | cladhaire | But I see what you're getting at =) |
| 05:48.51 | Qzot | With the scheme I've just laid out, the author can just write any piece of code against the Lib version he has in hand. |
| 05:49.11 | Iriel | cladhaire : Well, i'd write all of my libraries as method objects |
| 05:49.18 | Qzot | No pollution, because the addon snags what it needs from the lib into local space. |
| 05:49.28 | cladhaire | If you get creative and decide to work on a template definitely red flag me either via email or wowi.. I can sit on this release for a while, and I've got plenty else to code |
| 05:49.29 | Qzot | Iriel: Exactly. |
| 05:49.33 | Iriel | cladhaire : Then i'd re-populate the objects if they got replaced |
| 05:49.47 | Iriel | cladhaire : As long as you kept local refs to the object, and not the methods, you'd be fine |
| 05:50.07 | cladhaire | Hrm |
| 05:50.12 | Iriel | Qzot : I would leave 'LIB' in the global namespace always though, so that future versions can find their friends |
| 05:50.14 | cladhaire | makes sense |
| 05:50.28 | Iriel | Qzot: Since you never know when your 'last' addon has loaded |
| 05:50.37 | Qzot | Iriel: That seems dangerous. What advantage? |
| 05:50.37 | Iriel | (Well, you COULD know, but it's not worth the effort) |
| 05:50.49 | Iriel | Qzot: I load addon X on boot, it includes lib |
| 05:50.56 | Iriel | I load addon Y on demand, it includes the same version of lib |
| 05:51.10 | Iriel | Without leaving a global reference somewhere, Y's version can't be discarded and replaced with X's |
| 05:51.17 | Iriel | (or vice versa) |
| 05:51.35 | Iriel | I'll try and clean up my existing almost-template tomorrow and post it somewhere |
| 05:51.42 | Qzot | It's the replacement, imho, that causes the compatibility problems. |
| 05:51.49 | Iriel | Not if it's IDENTICAL |
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| 05:52.09 | Qzot | True enough. But how do you guarantee it's identical? |
| 05:52.13 | Iriel | As long as people dont mess around with lib without keeping its version up to date |
| 05:52.14 | cladhaire | thanks Iriel |
| 05:52.14 | Iriel | You can't. |
| 05:52.16 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 05:52.26 | Iriel | Well, you COULD actually |
| 05:52.32 | Iriel | You could use loadstring to initialize the whole lib |
| 05:52.36 | Iriel | and make an md5 checksum of the code |
| 05:52.37 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 05:52.48 | Qzot | I was just thinking the same thing. Yuck. |
| 05:52.51 | Iriel | amusingly effective, but not very practical |
| 05:53.07 | Iriel | better to put a big 'DONT EDIT THIS FILE WITHOUT CHANGING THE VERSION' header on the file |
| 05:53.23 | Iriel | and publish a list of the md5's of real version files. |
| 05:53.49 | Qzot | Hmm. But the other thing I like about the scheme I outlined, is that you can make the Lib huge, and only the needed pieces stay in memory. The rest should be reclaimed. |
| 05:54.10 | Iriel | But if you use 10 copies of it, you keep 10 copies of the pieces you use |
| 05:54.16 | Qzot | Yup. |
| 05:54.19 | Iriel | so i'm not sure it's a win, unless you write huge bloated unfocussed libraries |
| 05:54.28 | Iriel | which are usually candidates to be multiple libraries instead of one monstrosity |
| 05:54.35 | Iriel | Unless you're the only user 8-) |
| 05:54.36 | Qzot | But they're the 10 pieces that each author *knows* works with the current version of his software. |
| 05:55.09 | Qzot | *s/10 // |
| 05:55.50 | Qzot | And the author can tweak a function without fear of breaking completely different mods. |
| 05:56.09 | Iriel | Well with disciplined versioning that's not a risk either |
| 05:56.18 | Qzot | *cough* |
| 05:56.39 | Iriel | What you're describing is a flavor of embeddable lib, the .a equivalent of a library, I guess |
| 05:56.49 | Iriel | And what I'm describing is the shared, .so, version |
| 05:57.00 | Iriel | both work, and both have advantages and disadvantages |
| 05:57.10 | GenNMX|Thrae | Qzot: Ace has that ability with a function called ace:RegisterFunctions. With that, you actually embed the code inside the addon, but the function itself is only one place in memory. |
| 05:57.15 | Iriel | You can share caches between .so approaches, for example |
| 05:57.21 | Iriel | but not the .a ones, safely |
| 05:57.25 | Qzot | Neither Lua, nor Blizzard's mechanism for addon loading, nor the nature of addon authoring I've seen seem amenable to "disciplined versioning". |
| 05:57.32 | Iriel | Sure they are |
| 05:58.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | You might want to take a smiliar approach. That way, the addon which is embedding can change the code at will and just not use your version of RegisterFunctions (which will create a different function pointer of course) |
| 05:58.06 | Iriel | Unless people screw around with other peoples files, dont follow clearly posted rules, and then RELEASE them, but that's a risk of ANY environment like this. |
| 05:58.44 | Iriel | Apparently string.dump still works in wow's lua, that's another possibility for less irritating checksumming |
| 05:59.22 | Qzot | Hmm. Probably a religious difference here. I don't like the idea of my code breaking not because someone hacked it directly (I can't defend well against that in Lua), but because they borked correct library versioning. |
| 06:00.23 | Cairenn | (btw, if it comes up, yes, we know WoWI is down, seems to be a problem with the datacenter, can't hit their pages either |
| 06:00.37 | Qzot | Cairenn! |
| 06:00.39 | Iriel | Heh, D&D Online just lost all of their servers too |
| 06:00.45 | Qzot | We've been waiting for you. |
| 06:00.47 | Cairenn | Qzot ! |
| 06:00.49 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cairenn: Hey, WoWI is down! |
| 06:00.52 | Cairenn | no you haven't |
| 06:00.56 | Qzot | Did you know WoWI is down? |
| 06:00.59 | Cairenn | I've been here all along |
| 06:01.19 | cladhaire | lol |
| 06:01.20 | Cairenn | go back to your discussion, sorry for the interruption :p |
| 06:01.32 | Qzot | Interruptions are good. |
| 06:01.37 | Qzot | We were discussing religion. |
| 06:02.06 | Cairenn | no, you were discussing imbedded libraries |
| 06:02.13 | Qzot | Same difference. |
| 06:03.05 | Iriel | To finish the discussion (or, to step out, for me, to do something else 8-)) : I agree, the approach you pick will be based on what you feel the priorities are. If you're worried about tinkering/corruption, then sharing is bad. But you also cannot get the benefits of sharing either, if you're fine with that, the approach works. |
| 06:03.23 | GenNMX|Thrae | What is the original discussion again? |
| 06:03.31 | Qzot | We seem to be in violent agreement. |
| 06:04.54 | Iriel | I guess I need to refine my terminology thought, between "Embeddable Libraries" and "Embeddable Shared Libraries" |
| 06:04.55 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 06:05.04 | Iriel | Anyway, I have to go play Civ 4 now. idling 8-) |
| 06:05.09 | Qzot | I hate to say it, but because of the pains of addon loading management (I can't make my addon dependent, easily, on version 1.1 of Gatherer), I have a preference to having some simple library functions be known to work with an addon, and be able to copy around and re-use, but losing some potential space reduction in the memory footprint. |
| 06:05.11 | Cairenn | have fun Iriel |
| 06:05.30 | Qzot | Take care. |
| 06:05.45 | GenNMX|Thrae | Qzot: Have you taken a look at Ace? |
| 06:05.54 | Qzot | Only in the most cursory way. |
| 06:06.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | One of Ace's main jobs is to manage addons and their databases in such a way which uses the least amount of resources possible. |
| 06:06.46 | GenNMX|Thrae | If you don't want your addon to use Ace itself, you could at least look at its code for reference. It's very tight. |
| 06:07.25 | Iriel | GenNMX|Thrae : Are you sure that statement (about the main jobs) is entirely correct? |
| 06:08.34 | Qzot | And I've tried looking at Ace previously. It's pretty dense to the newcomer. |
| 06:09.00 | Qzot | We're talking 60k of lua text in more than 10 modules. |
| 06:09.16 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel: I've always been under the impression that was Ace's main job. What do you think Ace does? |
| 06:09.40 | Iriel | Consistency and a (Capital M) Methodology |
| 06:09.46 | cladhaire | lol |
| 06:10.41 | Osagasu | Iriel! |
| 06:10.44 | Iriel | And i'm not trying to cast doubt on the other claim |
| 06:10.52 | Osagasu | Civ 4> 8D |
| 06:10.56 | cladhaire | You'd have to ask Turan or Kael Gen =) |
| 06:11.11 | cladhaire | They'd be better off answering that one |
| 06:11.33 | Iriel | I'd just never heard it made before |
| 06:12.38 | Qzot | It's not uncommon for some systems (such as Ace might be) to be really simple and obvious to those who have grown with it over time, since it was really a simple basic idea. But as the layers of abstraction accrete, it's that much harder to come up to speed on it. |
| 06:13.09 | GenNMX|Thrae | I won't claim that using Ace is better then writing good code yourself, but it's like using STL in C++ instead of writing out the implementations yourself -- STL is already pretty good, so why not use it? |
| 06:13.46 | Qzot | Hmm. In some cases, that's fine. But I don't have any single addon that's *half* the size of Ace. |
| 06:14.05 | Qzot | So I have to weigh the cost of learning Ace. |
| 06:14.29 | Qzot | If I'm going to code in C++ for a long time, STL is a no-brainer. |
| 06:14.32 | Iriel | The STL's a slightly bad example, but something like say, EJB's perhaps |
| 06:14.50 | Iriel | Because Ace is much more than just a library |
| 06:14.50 | Qzot | If I'm going to write one program of 100 lines and be done with it, STL is far less clear. |
| 06:15.19 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yes, the real benefit of Ace is the user understanding and using as many Ace alternatives as possible. |
| 06:15.20 | Qzot | EJBs?? Yes, that's probably a good example. |
| 06:16.05 | Cairenn | that also holds true for the Cosmos team created Libraries as well, GenNMX|Thrae |
| 06:16.13 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel: Yeah, I suppose you could say that since Ace doesn't create functions. |
| 06:16.15 | Iriel | Anyway, in case anyone gets the wrong idea, I'm supportive of Ace, and help makeit better when I can |
| 06:16.36 | Cairenn | if you are using one set of libraries or another, use as many mods that are based on them as possible for max benefit |
| 06:16.39 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, it doesn't usually create them. |
| 06:17.03 | cladhaire | I'm supportive of things that provide utility and promote better coding styles, whatever those are-- when the addon author may not have the know-how to do it themselves. |
| 06:17.14 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cairenn: True, except I don't think the Cosmos team members are nearly as zealous about efficiency as Ace. |
| 06:17.20 | cladhaire | I should rip out the chat command handler fro ace... its PERFECT for an embed.. cause its (imgo) pretty damn clean |
| 06:17.33 | Osagasu | hrm |
| 06:17.40 | GenNMX|Thrae | Not to say that's a bad quality on either side. Obsession can be a good and bad thing. |
| 06:17.41 | Iriel | I think some of the criticisms of ace could be addressed by some better tutorials, proof-read by folks who dont use Ace |
| 06:17.43 | cladhaire | GenNMX: That's reasonably bold.. and to be completely honest.. Turan's ideas of efficiency are not the same as the ones I have |
| 06:18.29 | Qzot | Anyway, in case anyone gets the wrong idea, I'm supportive of Ace, even though I don't use it myself. But I feel the value starts to kick in when Ace help to reduce complexity. For an author writing a single 18k addon, Ace is probably not a win. |
| 06:18.31 | GenNMX|Thrae | cladhaire: I came in after Kaelten took over myself. |
| 06:18.41 | Iriel | It's unfair to compare 'Cosmos' and 'Ace', too, the cosmos team was much larger, and has much more 'dead code' |
| 06:18.53 | Cairenn | and is much older |
| 06:19.24 | Cairenn | (the code, not necessarily the authors' chronological ages) |
| 06:19.26 | Iriel | AnduinLothar has done a lot of work to make those parts of cosmos he's responsible for efficient |
| 06:19.35 | sancus | its much easier to use extraneous addons when you have 2GB of RAM and a fast dual core cpu! |
| 06:20.09 | Cairenn | from what I've seen and the minor understanding I have of all of this, BOTH sides have gotten a lot more efficient through learning from and challenging each other |
| 06:20.21 | Iriel | Exactly |
| 06:20.21 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 06:20.21 | Cairenn | (yay, the channel worked!) |
| 06:20.27 | Qzot | Hmm. Ace just got a rep boost from me. I'm all for zealous maintaining of clean code. |
| 06:20.32 | Iriel | And really, efficiency is only meaningful in a small fraction of the whole |
| 06:21.01 | Iriel | Getting the RIGHT small fraction - now that's a trick 8-) |
| 06:21.06 | cladhaire | =) |
| 06:21.11 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: nothing, we were just saying that you write pretty good code :) |
| 06:21.21 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 06:21.24 | Iriel | And that you care about fixing bad code |
| 06:21.33 | Iriel | You just can't singlehandedly re-write every addon inside cosmos |
| 06:21.34 | Iriel | yet |
| 06:21.35 | Iriel | 9-) |
| 06:21.40 | Qzot | The old carving a statue of an elephant by chipping away anything that doesn't look like an elephant? |
| 06:21.49 | Cairenn | Qzot: aye |
| 06:21.49 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, one main difference about Cosmos/Khaos is that it needs to be as compatible as possible to all the addons that make it up, and as easy to use as possible. In short, the users are a big part of the equation. |
| 06:22.06 | AnduinLothar | nah, i only singlehandedly wrote half of it |
| 06:22.10 | cladhaire | =) |
| 06:22.12 | Iriel | I think the 'cosmos' comparison against ace can only be levelled on the 'library' parts of it |
| 06:22.17 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yet in the Ace community, the users are the smallest part of the equation. Which is one the reasons it has such a bad rep. |
| 06:22.17 | Iriel | Sea, Earth, et al |
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| 06:23.13 | Qzot | I probably owe both of them a visit. |
| 06:23.19 | Cairenn | aye, that was the (unspoken but presumed understood) comparison I was making |
| 06:23.42 | Iriel | Qzot: Probably, go with the one whose code style most matches yours |
| 06:24.28 | Cairenn | and on that note, I'm out .... night guys :) |
| 06:24.30 | Iriel | And of course, contribute back for maximal amplification |
| 06:24.33 | Iriel | Cya Cair |
| 06:24.49 | Qzot | Well, I still wasn't think of using one. But I'm happy to steal ideas. ;) |
| 06:25.03 | Iriel | Steal and Give back is pretty ethical too 8-) |
| 06:25.10 | Qzot | Well, yes. |
| 06:25.20 | cladhaire | well i'm off to bed =) |
| 06:25.45 | cladhaire | Iriel: Let me know if you get any further on the embed.s.. it'ld be interesting to read what you have to say |
| 06:25.57 | Iriel | cladhaire : Ok! |
| 06:26.02 | Iriel | cladhaire : It'll likely be tomorrow |
| 06:26.06 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 06:26.13 | Iriel | Since it's supposed to rain |
| 06:27.01 | cladhaire | sounds good. |
| 06:27.02 | cladhaire | night |
| 06:27.04 | Qzot | Do you know if any of the library-like beasties build directed acyclic graphs of in-combat entity targeting? |
| 06:27.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | Qzot: Anyway, I digress. As I said before, if I understand what you're trying to do, the code in ace:RegisterFunctions might help. The idea would be to save only one pointer to a function with the same name, but if you change the function and give a different version number to ace:RegisterFunctions, it'll override that function for ALL other addons. Or, if you need to change it just for your addon, you could just not use Regi |
| 06:28.36 | Qzot | I'll start my Ace look at RegisterFunctions, then. |
| 06:28.39 | Iriel | Qzot : I'm pretty sure they dont |
| 06:28.57 | clad|sleep | its AceUtil i believe |
| 06:29.17 | Qzot | Hmm. Maybe I should break that out as a clean interface from PartyAims, then. |
| 06:29.33 | Qzot | AceUtil for RegisterFunctions or for targeting DAGs? |
| 06:29.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | Qzot: RegisterFunctions |
| 06:29.58 | Qzot | k |
| 06:30.22 | GenNMX|Thrae | I'm actually working on a combat mod off and on which will give a list of entities, and I've been musing over how to differentiate between NPCs |
| 06:30.44 | Qzot | Ah. You might want to look at the PartyAims code, then. |
| 06:30.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | All I can think of is to first try to differentiate between level, then Health. |
| 06:31.03 | clad|sleep | Level, Gender, Health |
| 06:31.21 | Qzot | I'm using UnitIsUnit. |
| 06:31.24 | clad|sleep | if they gave you GetModel() then you'd have a way .. which is why we'll never get it =) |
| 06:32.38 | Qzot | But that's in part because PartyAims doesn't make any attempt to track an NPC who is currently not targeted by any party member. |
| 06:32.56 | GenNMX|Thrae | Qzot: I don't see a need for UnitIsUnit()? |
| 06:33.10 | AnduinLothar | what was this about embeds? |
| 06:33.12 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ahhh, I was thinking differently. I'd be iterating over all possible targets. |
| 06:33.23 | Cairenn|sleep | WoWI back up |
| 06:33.32 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cairenn|sleep: WoWI is back up. Did you know? |
| 06:34.00 | Qzot | Iterating over all possible targets? Even those not currently targeted? |
| 06:34.30 | GenNMX|Thrae | Qzot: Yes, but only those in combat with you. |
| 06:34.42 | Qzot | Can you explain a little more about the combat mod you're thinking of? |
| 06:35.32 | GenNMX|Thrae | Qzot: It would be using TargetNearestEnemy() like the other entity-parsing mods use. |
| 06:35.33 | Qzot | And if you want, I can explain how I use UnitIsUnit in PA. |
| 06:35.44 | Qzot | k |
| 06:36.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | My mod's main job is a combat log parser, but I thought I'd add an option to show you possible targets using TargetByName (for PvP) and my own function for PvE. |
| 06:36.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | For PvE, it'd have an option to scan targets to make sure it's targetting what you think it would be targetting. |
| 06:37.05 | GenNMX|Thrae | IE, in case two NPCs are attacking with the same names. |
| 06:37.42 | Qzot | So the user would still have to tab through, but he would at least know he's targeting the one he wants to target, right? |
| 06:38.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | Qzot: No, it'd be a list of possible targets like a MT list. |
| 06:39.14 | Qzot | Yes, but if there are two targets with the same name, but different genders, let's say, how can you target the correct one for him if he clicks on an item in that list? |
| 06:39.18 | GenNMX|Thrae | The idea would be that the user would not have to tab, but of course I can't guarantee accuracy with NPCs with the same name even checking Levels, Gender, and Health |
| 06:39.32 | Qzot | k. We're on the same page there. |
| 06:39.53 | GenNMX|Thrae | Qzot: Instead of calling TargetByName, it would call my own function which scans all possible targets using TargetNearestEnemy and tries to find the one which best applies. |
| 06:40.24 | Qzot | I've been think of adding combat message parsing to PA to extend its usefulness. There are some tricks I'm using in PA that could increase -- but not guarantee -- your accuracy. |
| 06:40.50 | Qzot | Doesn't TargetNearestEnemy require a hardware event? |
| 06:41.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | Does it? I haven't actually implemented my idea yet. |
| 06:41.22 | Iriel | Yes, it does |
| 06:41.27 | Qzot | I'm pretty sure it does. As opposed to TargetByName, which doesn't. |
| 06:41.41 | GenNMX|Thrae | Oh well, that's annoying. |
| 06:41.47 | Qzot | That was done to prevent the battlefield-scanning mods. |
| 06:42.13 | GenNMX|Thrae | I'll have to use your way then Qzot and scan all party / raid targets. |
| 06:42.56 | Qzot | And then try TargetByName as a last resort. |
| 06:43.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | Right. |
| 06:43.34 | Qzot | Oh, my. I just had a disgusting thought. |
| 06:43.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | Or, better yet, make scanning targets the "default option", but leave it an option. I like to give as much options to my users as possible, since scanning a 40-man raid can be expensive. |
| 06:45.18 | Qzot | Iriel, have you gone off to Civ4? Or can you calm my queasies and tell me my disgusting idea can't be implemented. |
| 06:45.34 | GenNMX|Thrae | Qzot: What is your disgusting idea? |
| 06:46.34 | Qzot | I heard of a proof-of-concept for shrinking the minimap and moving it underneath the cursor to see what items were in range of the minimap? |
| 06:46.53 | Iriel | Indeed, I believe Tem got it to work after a discussion here |
| 06:47.03 | Tem|PTR | tain |
| 06:47.04 | Qzot | I'm losing my dinner. |
| 06:47.04 | Iriel | It doesn't tell you WHERE on the minimap they are, just that they're around |
| 06:47.15 | Iriel | Tain and not Tem? |
| 06:47.43 | Qzot | Imagine shrinking the world frame, not to a dot, but a very small size and sliding it around underneath the cursor. |
| 06:47.44 | GenNMX|Thrae | Qzot: One thing Ace is famous for is weird stuff like that. There's a POC on www.wowace.com forums |
| 06:47.51 | Qzot | Please tell me this can't be done. |
| 06:48.08 | Iriel | It probably coulkd be done, but it'd be very slow |
| 06:48.17 | Iriel | There's often a 1 frame latency for stuff to feed back |
| 06:48.17 | GenNMX|Thrae | For that Minimap shrinking thing, although it just automatically alerted you to their presence, not distance |
| 06:48.44 | Qzot | Hmm. Maybe very slow is good enough to kill it. |
| 06:49.16 | Qzot | The point would be to slide the world frame around, and use mouseover to find and be able to relocate desired targets. |
| 06:49.37 | Iriel | You're looking at 1, maybe 2 frames per screen position |
| 06:49.42 | Iriel | that's not very effective |
| 06:50.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | Is there a way to change the position of the mouse without a hardware event? |
| 06:50.43 | Iriel | No |
| 06:50.48 | Iriel | There's no API for movingthe mouse |
| 06:50.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | Didn't think so. |
| 06:50.53 | Iriel | I believe THAT is also deliberate |
| 06:51.08 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yep. |
| 06:52.50 | Qzot | Actually, even sliding the *entire* world frame a few times per second, if the client correctly handled a slide-examine mouseover-put the world frame back seemlessly, would provide a ton of info. |
| 06:53.20 | Iriel | But mouseovers get updated once per frame, TOPS |
| 06:53.46 | Iriel | It may even be the frame AFTER the move |
| 06:53.59 | GenNMX|Thrae | I just thought of one crappy solution where each party member has the same addon which acts as a "hive mind", making sure each member has a different target and hooking all actions which require a target to automatically assist the MT or automatically target your mouseover, then return to your previous unique target. |
| 06:54.02 | Qzot | So the rate of info I've described could work, but the user would have to tolerate *miserable* screen jumping. |
| 06:54.47 | GenNMX|Thrae | But that would also involve the user themselves tab'ing until the addon says "they got it right". |
| 06:55.01 | Qzot | Hehe. Except that good instance running requires pretty much all your dpsers to focus fire on the same target. |
| 06:55.44 | GenNMX|Thrae | Qzot: Right, like I said, it would hook your actions which require a target and change the target over to the MT's target before the action takes place. |
| 06:56.09 | Qzot | Ohh. Gotcha now. |
| 06:56.18 | GenNMX|Thrae | Unless your mouse is hovering over a valid target, in which case it would change to that target instead. In either case, once the action is complete, it would return to the previous unique target using TargetLastEnemy |
| 06:57.26 | Qzot | TargetLastEnemy doesn't work if your current target is an enemy. |
| 06:57.44 | GenNMX|Thrae | With all the trouble trying to do this, we can see this is something Blizzard really doesn't want to be done... |
| 06:57.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | Really? Well there goes that idea. |
| 06:58.32 | Qzot | I have a mod that tries to alert you when PC enemies you've recently targeted come in range. |
| 06:59.09 | Qzot | I go through a lot of care to try to know when I have a target that I can guarantee being able to revert to, before I try to use TargetByName on the KOS list. |
| 06:59.50 | Qzot | Hmm. |
| 07:00.20 | Qzot | I wonder if there's enough information in the combat log to accurately guage how many NPCs are involved in the current conflict? |
| 07:00.35 | Qzot | *gauge |
| 07:01.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | Qzot: No, not accurately. But you can estimate. Again, the problem is with NPCs with the same names. |
| 07:01.37 | GenNMX|Thrae | If they all have different names, then yes, it can be accurate. |
| 07:01.50 | Qzot | I'm assuming they have the same name. |
| 07:01.59 | Qzot | Think: Scorpid pit in Uldaman. |
| 07:03.38 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, I think that goes back to the problem with trying to find the correct target. |
| 07:04.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | All you have is a name, what they are attacking, when they last attacked, and who is attacking them. |
| 07:05.12 | GenNMX|Thrae | With that, you should be able to estimate, but I can't think of a way it would be 100% accurate. |
| 07:09.21 | Qzot | Prolly true. |
| 07:09.41 | Qzot | I'm getting spousal agro, so time to log. Catch you all later. |
| 07:13.37 | Iriel | See you! Good to meet you today! |
| 07:34.02 | Tem|PTR | wait |
| 07:34.12 | Tem|PTR | is Qzot the "Matt" that lives near you Iriel ? |
| 07:34.21 | Iriel | No 8-) |
| 07:34.30 | Iriel | I still dont know who that is |
| 07:34.42 | GenNMX|Thrae | Do you live in Maryland, Iriel? |
| 07:35.21 | Iriel | GenNMX|Thrae : No, Northern California |
| 07:37.37 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, then it's not me. |
| 07:40.38 | Codayus | Hmm. |
| 07:48.21 | Codayus | Blah. The epic Gloves of the Virtuous (upgrade to Devout) kinda suck. Soo not epic quality. And their having 5 LESS spirit than the devout they replace is clearly some kind of joke. :-/ |
| 07:50.18 | sancus | Well the sets are designed to be worse than MC sets and are not fully epic so /shrug |
| 07:51.41 | Codayus | Worse than MC sets? Dude, the gloves are worse than current strat/scholo/BRS blues. oO The saving grace is that they've got +dmg on them. 11, which is pretty damn small, but whatever. Guess they're meant for pvp... |
| 07:53.22 | Codayus | 'cause for healing, 1.9 Devout is just as good. And even for pvp, they're still about tied with Gloves of Power (blue drop in LBRS)... Weird itemization. oO |
| 07:56.16 | sancus | it's possible that your opinion of what's best is not the opinion of the person who itemized that :P |
| 07:56.26 | Codayus | Yeah, I know. :-) |
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| 09:05.15 | Shouryuu | r4wr |
| 09:15.30 | AnduinLothar | is the wiki down? |
| 09:16.02 | Iriel | Hm, it's not responding to me, but not 'broken' either, yet |
| 09:17.09 | Iriel | ah, there it goes |
| 09:18.22 | Iriel | it's up |
| 09:18.24 | Iriel | just slow |
| 09:18.26 | AnduinLothar | got it |
| 09:22.53 | Shouryuu | lol " ct mod ate my cat and turned my hair green." |
| 09:23.21 | AnduinLothar | least it wasn't cosmos... |
| 09:24.02 | AnduinLothar | Speakign of Cosmos. New toy: http://www.cosmosui.org/ |
| 09:29.42 | AnduinLothar | i like how there were 9 internal releases... nice, responsive coder |
| 09:34.29 | namxo | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.30 | namxo | +1 :) |
| 10:08.45 | namxo | Addons and macros may not call or hook functions that initiate movement |
| 10:08.48 | namxo | really nice :D |
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| 10:10.55 | Shouryuu | so yuou managed getting on the PTR? |
| 10:11.49 | namxo | en francais ca donne quoi car je ne comprends pas |
| 10:12.15 | Shouryuu | alors ta enfin reussi a aller sur les test realms :P |
| 10:12.23 | namxo | oui hier |
| 10:12.33 | namxo | là je réssaye, 6888 220mn |
| 10:12.46 | namxo | je suis très content du nerf de manaconserv et des autobuff machin |
| 10:13.12 | Shouryuu | ouai moi aussi |
| 10:13.29 | Shouryuu | j'ai 500 ping et je me debrouille pour ne pas trop overhealler |
| 10:13.42 | namxo | ;) |
| 10:13.45 | Shouryuu | alors les connards qu'on 50 de ping, n'alle pas me raconter que c'est dur |
| 10:13.57 | Shouryuu | t pretre aussi? |
| 10:14.24 | namxo | oui |
| 10:14.39 | namxo | moi j'ai 150 de ping en moyenne, ça va |
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| 10:20.22 | namxo | ils sont ou les posts qui repertorient les bugs du 1.10 ? |
| 10:20.31 | namxo | sur le forum "Test" je trouve pas le post concernant CastSpellByName |
| 10:24.59 | Shouryuu | aucune idee |
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| 10:38.13 | namxo | VERY GOOD |
| 10:38.16 | namxo | crash of PTS ! |
| 10:38.23 | namxo | i can play now, because no queue |
| 10:38.24 | namxo | lol |
| 10:38.24 | namxo | :D |
| 10:39.12 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 10:47.16 | Shouryuu | Can you delete the Blizzard files in the add-ons folder? Will they recreate themselfves |
| 10:50.11 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 10:51.25 | Shouryuu | ok cool |
| 10:51.28 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 10:51.43 | Shouryuu | in the reasons to cancel your account, one is "Will of the forsaken nerf" |
| 11:03.20 | sarf|breakfast | ^^ |
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| 11:36.29 | Codayus | Hmmm |
| 11:36.44 | Codayus | How do you find the level of an item? Not the required level... |
| 11:37.48 | namxo | ? |
| 11:37.51 | namxo | impossible |
| 11:37.51 | sarf|stuff | Info from the GetContainerItemInfo or something? |
| 11:37.57 | namxo | a item didn't have a level |
| 11:38.14 | Shouryuu | yeah, I don't thnik you can |
| 11:38.25 | Shouryuu | well actualy |
| 11:38.37 | Codayus | Well, the values are floating around. Thottbot has them, for example. |
| 11:38.42 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 11:38.49 | Shouryuu | there isn't a *direct* way to get it |
| 11:38.57 | Shouryuu | I know you can more or less figure it out |
| 11:39.01 | Shouryuu | I jsut don't know how :P |
| 11:39.21 | Shouryuu | there was a post about someone requesting this to slouken a while back... |
| 11:39.39 | Codayus | And he commented the ilvl was usually 5 above the required level. |
| 11:39.58 | Codayus | Which is fine, as far as it goes... Doesn't help for quest rewards are endgame items though. :-/ |
| 11:40.07 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 11:40.14 | Codayus | And I know there is a way to get the ilvl for them... |
| 11:41.47 | sarf|stuff | Or isn't it |
| 11:41.57 | sarf|stuff | Hmm |
| 11:41.58 | sarf|stuff | Aha! |
| 11:42.02 | sarf|stuff | I think it's in the DBCs |
| 11:42.05 | Codayus | ...and the way is...to check thottbot, I gues... Wonder where THEY'RE getting it... |
| 11:42.19 | sarf|stuff | ---> DBC files <--- |
| 11:42.28 | Codayus | Hrm, that'd made sense I guess. |
| 11:46.00 | sarf|stuff | Codayus> For now, http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetItemInfo |
| 11:46.05 | sarf|stuff | Has the required level at least |
| 11:46.09 | Codayus | *nod* |
| 11:46.19 | sarf|stuff | (instead of parsing the tooltip, I mean :) ) |
| 11:46.22 | Codayus | Totally unhelpful in this case though. |
| 11:46.38 | sarf|stuff | Wiki is slow |
| 11:46.40 | sarf|stuff | Grr |
| 11:46.41 | Codayus | Since that breaks for endgame items, which I was playing with. |
| 11:46.41 | sarf|stuff | Yeah |
| 11:46.47 | Codayus | Thanks though. :-) |
| 11:47.04 | sarf|stuff | Well, you could simply have an "endgame item level" |
| 11:47.33 | sarf|stuff | Since, for the most part, the actual level does not have any effect at all (like if they add a "Supreme Armor Kit" that requires L60 item) |
| 11:48.12 | sarf|stuff | 1.10 will destroy ActionQueue and SmartPet. Oh well :) |
| 11:49.49 | AnduinLothar | Actually i thnk the decurse part of AQ_buffbot was still working |
| 11:49.58 | sarf|stuff | Really? |
| 11:50.18 | sarf|stuff | Because according to patch notes they removed all possibility of hooking movement and so on |
| 11:50.28 | AnduinLothar | haven't tested in the past few days.. |
| 11:50.33 | sarf|stuff | But I guess I'll know for shure when/if I get into test... |
| 11:51.10 | AnduinLothar | ya. i can't even get my mac test client to work |
| 11:51.22 | AnduinLothar | think i need to copy the whole folder or something silly |
| 11:52.06 | sarf|stuff | Yikes! 8.9k queue |
| 11:52.08 | sarf|stuff | <shudder> |
| 11:52.28 | Codayus | On the test realm? |
| 11:52.36 | Codayus | Okay, that's officially rediculous. oO |
| 11:52.40 | AnduinLothar | holy jesus, lol |
| 11:57.29 | Shouryuu | for how much time will the PTR be opened? |
| 11:57.52 | AnduinLothar | usualyl a week or 2 |
| 11:58.06 | Shouryuu | k |
| 11:59.05 | Shouryuu | Wtf, UNCF, United Negro College Fund |
| 11:59.23 | Codayus | ? |
| 11:59.47 | AnduinLothar | what about it |
| 12:00.16 | Shouryuu | sorry just the negro part that suprised me |
| 12:00.27 | Codayus | Don't forget how fast language changes. |
| 12:00.30 | AnduinLothar | it's an old establishment |
| 12:00.38 | Codayus | NAACP is the national association for the advancement of colored people. |
| 12:01.16 | Shouryuu | ah, didn't know that |
| 12:01.39 | AnduinLothar | would you rather it were the Black Peoples College Fund? |
| 12:01.42 | Codayus | Todays racial slurs were new and untained terms a couple decades ago. <shrug> |
| 12:01.46 | Codayus | Heh |
| 12:01.59 | Codayus | Naa, it'd need to be the African-American College Fund now. |
| 12:02.15 | AnduinLothar | w/e |
| 12:02.39 | sarf|stuff | Now it's 10.5k |
| 12:02.46 | sarf|stuff | I <3 EU |
| 12:03.16 | AnduinLothar | onyl black person i've met who didn't liek being called black was a divorced feminist mormom... |
| 12:03.33 | AnduinLothar | +single mother |
| 12:03.45 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 12:05.06 | Shouryuu | ohhh tummy calls |
| 12:05.12 | Shouryuu | h/nick SHouryuu|lunch |
| 12:05.17 | SHouryuu|lunch | great |
| 12:06.04 | Codayus | I've seen the term African Aemrican used to apply to people that have nothing to do with Africa, or nothing to do with America. Really really bugs me. Although I think the best was the newspaper headline that said that the budget "...was back in the African-American". |
| 12:06.26 | Codayus | Illiterate copyeditors FTW? (It had clearly been supposed to say "...back in the black." |
| 12:06.44 | AnduinLothar | lol, that's bad |
| 12:06.45 | Codayus | Erm...right. </OT rant> |
| 12:08.13 | sarf|stuff | ^^ |
| 12:11.32 | AnduinLothar | yay for my own hooks making my life misserable |
| 12:12.42 | sarf|stuff | Noteworthy thing: if you use the same file twice in your .toc file, your file *will* be loaded twice |
| 12:12.48 | sarf|stuff | (caused some headaches for me) |
| 12:13.05 | AnduinLothar | silly sarf |
| 12:13.06 | sarf|stuff | (aka double hooking of stuff) |
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| 12:54.17 | AnduinLothar | editbox's dont have OnClicks? |
| 12:54.22 | AnduinLothar | :'( |
| 12:59.58 | namxo | for doing what ? |
| 13:00.22 | AnduinLothar | the just don't have um. i used OnMOuseDown instead |
| 13:09.11 | namxo | which addon do you make ? |
| 13:09.35 | AnduinLothar | do? did? have? am? |
| 13:09.46 | namxo | did |
| 13:09.48 | namxo | maybe |
| 13:09.49 | namxo | :D |
| 13:10.37 | AnduinLothar | well there's a list somewhere... outdated of course...http://www.wowwiki.com/User:KarlKFI |
| 13:10.46 | namxo | ok |
| 13:15.22 | namxo | ohoh |
| 13:15.27 | namxo | you've make archaeologist |
| 13:15.33 | namxo | i recommand it often |
| 13:15.33 | namxo | :) |
| 13:15.40 | AnduinLothar | glad to hear it |
| 13:24.54 | namxo | you know integrate popbar ? |
| 13:25.06 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 13:26.59 | namxo | http://ui.worldofwar.net/images/ui/00370.IPopBar3.jpg |
| 13:27.05 | namxo | replace the bag with buttons |
| 13:27.29 | namxo | you can switch with Y between these bars |
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| 13:27.48 | namxo | i like that because bag bar isn't often useful |
| 13:28.24 | AnduinLothar | never seen it before. But I work with the guy who wrote PopBar |
| 13:29.03 | namxo | i've email it, to continue ipopbar, because he didn't continue ipopbar |
| 13:29.39 | AnduinLothar | might as well email mugendai to add it as an option into the orig PopBar |
| 13:30.05 | namxo | no new version too :) |
| 13:40.08 | namxo | i've send a message to mugendai on curse |
| 13:56.01 | [MoonWolf] | connected for over 5 minutes now |
| 13:56.08 | [MoonWolf] | go and give me my char screen damnit |
| 13:56.23 | namxo | authentification server down in french |
| 13:56.25 | namxo | since 30mn |
| 13:56.26 | namxo | :) |
| 14:08.11 | SHouryuu|lunch | wow |
| 14:08.26 | Shouryuu | vestement of the virtuous really have nice stats |
| 14:08.41 | Shouryuu | the alliteration in "v" sucks though |
| 14:08.44 | Shouryuu | but that's jsut me |
| 14:11.50 | Shouryuu | is there a HOW TO on wiki that explains how to create a tooltip, keep it hidden and parse it? |
| 14:12.23 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:HOWTOs |
| 14:12.46 | AnduinLothar | i dont see any |
| 14:12.57 | AnduinLothar | but it looks like in 1.10 that you have to anchor them |
| 14:13.11 | Shouryuu | yeah I read that thread |
| 14:13.15 | Shouryuu | got kinda scared when I saw the tittle |
| 14:13.23 | [MoonWolf] | only anchor them ? |
| 14:13.24 | Shouryuu | or is it title... |
| 14:13.31 | [MoonWolf] | they dont have to be visible ? |
| 14:13.46 | AnduinLothar | that's the rummor |
| 14:13.48 | Shouryuu | I think it's only anchored |
| 14:13.49 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 14:13.53 | Shouryuu | that's what the thread said |
| 14:14.04 | Shouryuu | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=330935&p=1&tmp=1#post330935 |
| 14:14.07 | [MoonWolf] | otherwise ill simply make them visible and move them to some really really far off coordinate |
| 14:14.45 | [MoonWolf] | 9999 by 9999 sounds good. |
| 14:14.45 | namxo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.49 | namxo | create a tooltip about what ? |
| 14:15.06 | AnduinLothar | use negatives |
| 14:15.09 | Shouryuu | just a hidden tooltip to parse it for info |
| 14:15.16 | [MoonWolf] | ah thats a good point too AnduinLothar |
| 14:15.18 | namxo | i do that in ep_announcecast |
| 14:15.38 | Shouryuu | why negatives |
| 14:15.46 | [MoonWolf] | they dont ever get displayed |
| 14:15.48 | AnduinLothar | just do a neg, neg and have it be off the top left of the screen |
| 14:15.51 | [MoonWolf] | becaue 0 0 is top right |
| 14:15.58 | [MoonWolf] | left i mean. |
| 14:16.05 | Shouryuu | ah |
| 14:16.08 | namxo | the xml : |
| 14:16.09 | namxo | <GameTooltip name="EPACTooltip" inherits="GameTooltipTemplate" parent="UIParent" hidden="true"/> |
| 14:16.24 | Shouryuu | yeah I found some code on Wiki |
| 14:16.31 | namxo | uber = GetCVar("UberTooltips") |
| 14:16.31 | namxo | SetCVar("UberTooltips", "1") |
| 14:16.31 | namxo | if type == "action" then |
| 14:16.31 | namxo | EPACTooltip:SetAction(id) |
| 14:16.32 | namxo | -- no Rank in tooltips from BOOKTYPE_SPELL |
| 14:16.32 | namxo | self.SpellData.rank = getglobal("EPACTooltipTextRight1"):GetText() |
| 14:16.32 | [MoonWolf] | I have a feeling something is really wrong with the EU login. |
| 14:16.34 | namxo | _,_, self.SpellData.rank = string.find(self.SpellData.rank or "", ".+ (.+)") |
| 14:16.36 | namxo | elseif type == "spellbook" then |
| 14:16.38 | namxo | EPACTooltip:SetSpell(id, BOOKTYPE_SPELL) |
| 14:16.40 | namxo | end |
| 14:16.42 | namxo | :D |
| 14:16.44 | namxo | sorry for the flood ;) |
| 14:16.47 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 14:16.47 | AnduinLothar | right nax. if they're hidden it doesn't matter, but they still need to be anchored in 1.10 |
| 14:16.49 | [MoonWolf] | all 5 of my server refuse to connect. |
| 14:16.54 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 14:16.56 | Shouryuu | cimer albert :p |
| 14:17.03 | namxo | ;D |
| 14:17.08 | wereHamster | getglobal("EPACTooltipTextRight1") ?? that doesn't make sense .. |
| 14:17.19 | namxo | look EP_AnnounceCast in EasyPriest section on curse-gaming, if you want the full code |
| 14:17.24 | namxo | why wereHamster ? |
| 14:17.46 | wereHamster | getglobal("EPACTooltipTextRight1"):GetText() is the same as EPACTooltipTextRight1:GetTest() |
| 14:17.55 | namxo | yes it's true, sorry :D |
| 14:18.02 | namxo | but it's work too ;) |
| 14:18.05 | namxo | i will clean that :) |
| 14:18.54 | wereHamster | yeah.. you also could use _G[getglobal](_G[" EPACTooltipTextRight1"]:GetName()):GetText() .. |
| 14:19.09 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 14:19.17 | wereHamster | ay.. one space too much there.. but you get the idea :) |
| 14:19.17 | namxo | ? |
| 14:19.18 | AnduinLothar | wtf for... |
| 14:20.29 | wereHamster | what for? as a replacement for getglobal("EPACTooltipTextRight1"):GetText() |
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| 14:23.03 | Osagasu | only a 1300 queue! |
| 14:23.22 | Shouryuu|work | rrawr |
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| 14:37.54 | [MoonWolf] | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.54 | [MoonWolf] | Instantly zaps the target with demonic russia powered energy which does 800-1200 dmg and makes the target run away like a little girl for 10 seconds+. |
| 14:38.29 | namxo | lol |
| 14:41.49 | Osagasu | o.O |
| 14:44.18 | AnduinLothar | too much red alert for you |
| 14:45.11 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 14:45.28 | [MoonWolf] | classic Red Alert FTW |
| 14:47.49 | Shouryuu|work | ahh |
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| 14:47.58 | Shouryuu|work | C&C red alert |
| 14:48.00 | Shouryuu|work | that was a cool game |
| 14:48.53 | zeeg | 8:47a | <zeeg> http://www.wowguru.com/cache-index/en-patch-1-10-0-sets.php |
| 14:48.53 | zeeg | 8:48a | <zeeg> http://www.wowguru.com/cache-index/en-patch-1-10-0-spells.php |
| 14:50.39 | Osagasu | zeeg, you win. |
| 14:52.02 | AnduinLothar | except the durrability is set to 50 bajilion and the set bonuses dont work |
| 14:52.13 | Shouryuu|work | lol |
| 14:53.02 | zeeg | set bonuses dont work? |
| 14:53.13 | AnduinLothar | that and this ad is hilarious: http://cdn5.tribalfusion.com/media/434286.jpeg |
| 14:53.18 | Osagasu | The Test server forums has images of the sets |
| 14:53.25 | zeeg | ya the items are broken i know that |
| 14:53.29 | zeeg | im running through the cache again now |
| 14:53.33 | zeeg | Osagasu, we have them on our gallery |
| 14:53.39 | AnduinLothar | er, not the set bonuses, the special texts |
| 14:53.54 | AnduinLothar | right above the set bonuses |
| 14:54.54 | zeeg | ya they added a field for wands, and i didnt know about it last night |
| 14:55.02 | zeeg | so last nights data was bugged, i fixed it just a bit ago |
| 14:55.15 | Osagasu | awha? |
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| 14:56.05 | Shouryuu|work | where are the PTR frums? |
| 15:03.21 | Osagasu | in the realm forums |
| 15:03.47 | Shouryuu|work | ahh under the name test :P |
| 15:03.54 | Shouryuu|work | I was looking for Public 0_o |
| 15:04.03 | AnduinLothar | There we go... some sexy multi-line editbox support for Khaos.. that took WAY longer than I expected |
| 15:05.02 | AnduinLothar | considering I ended up writing a whole new interface for Multi-Line editboxes within the default StaticPopup configs |
| 15:05.43 | AnduinLothar | I find myself writing robust libraries for small features.. is that a good thing? |
| 15:07.18 | Shouryuu|work | wow http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=14136 |
| 15:07.56 | Shouryuu|work | wait |
| 15:07.59 | Shouryuu|work | that;s a robe |
| 15:08.03 | Shouryuu|work | why did I think it was a cape... |
| 15:08.28 | wereHamster | the pattern is BoP.. and it dropped twice ina row when I was in winterspring :) |
| 15:11.04 | Shouryuu|work | well it isn't that good, I thought it was a cape at first, so I was 0_0 |
| 15:12.02 | Shouryuu|work | looool, a hunter complaining that priests are overpowered |
| 15:12.07 | Shouryuu|work | that makes me laugh real hard |
| 15:13.53 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/patches/patch-1-10-0/spells.html |
| 15:13.54 | zeeg | there |
| 15:14.08 | Shouryuu|work | I hate mankind |
| 15:15.00 | Shouryuu | someone asks for the usual "I want a macro that targets me when I have an enemy/nothing targeted, otherwise targets my current target" |
| 15:15.20 | Shouryuu | I guide them to self cast, which does exactly that, and the answer I get is "I don't want a mod" :'( |
| 15:28.42 | zeeg | Anyone here been on the test server yet |
| 15:30.40 | AnduinLothar | sleep time |
| 15:33.01 | Osagasu | I've been on it |
| 15:33.06 | Osagasu | I'm on it now |
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| 15:50.06 | Kaelten | hello |
| 15:52.45 | Shouryuu | hey |
| 15:55.41 | Osagasu | I've updated my post on the PTR bug thread |
| 15:55.45 | Osagasu | If anyone cares |
| 15:55.47 | Osagasu | Hey Kaelten |
| 15:57.00 | Osagasu | You fixed Ace yet? 8P |
| 16:06.53 | namxo | ace work. |
| 16:06.59 | namxo | i've test it on ptr |
| 16:07.01 | namxo | and no problem |
| 16:07.56 | Osagasu | I get an error showing that it's treid to use blizzard-only commands |
| 16:08.06 | namxo | it's the fault of an addon use ace |
| 16:08.08 | namxo | not ace :) |
| 16:08.16 | namxo | an addon use ace hook a mouvement function |
| 16:08.18 | Tain | There's no problem with Ace, it's addons. |
| 16:08.23 | namxo | +1 Tain :) |
| 16:14.23 | Osagasu | Listfix hiiks movement functions? :P |
| 16:14.27 | Osagasu | *hooks |
| 16:15.01 | Tain | No clue, but Listfix is an addon. |
| 16:15.16 | Osagasu | Its the one causing it |
| 16:15.37 | Osagasu | But Maybe the addon is hooking an Ace function that hooks a restricted function? |
| 16:15.40 | Tain | Ok that's fine, I was just responding to you asking if Ace was fixed. |
| 16:15.46 | namxo | its that Osagasu |
| 16:16.03 | Osagasu | Its entirely possible, which makes it Ace's bug as well, not just the addon's |
| 16:16.15 | Tain | Ok, but it isn't in this case. |
| 16:16.46 | Osagasu | Are you sure? |
| 16:17.33 | Tain | Yes, ListFix hooks TurnOrActionStart |
| 16:17.45 | Tain | That is not allowed anymore. Not sure about Camera moving functions, which is also hooked. |
| 16:17.48 | namxo | so the fault is listfix :p |
| 16:17.58 | Tain | Don't know if they stopped allowing you to hook camera functions as well. |
| 16:19.13 | Osagasu | You guys seem to think that ace is infallible. Its an addon too, you know, whether ot not you think so. |
| 16:19.17 | Osagasu | *or |
| 16:19.30 | Tain | Osagasu please stop making assumptions. |
| 16:19.56 | Tain | I'm not saying Ace is infallible. I'm saying Ace is not broken with the 1.10 patch on the public test realms. |
| 16:20.04 | Tain | Some of us *have* been testing these things. |
| 16:20.05 | namxo | +1 Tain |
| 16:20.08 | namxo | i say that too |
| 16:20.15 | namxo | i use ace without problem on the ptr |
| 16:20.19 | namxo | with EasyPriest addon |
| 16:20.19 | namxo | :) |
| 16:20.27 | Tain | If and when a bug that is inherent to Ace comes up, it will be addressed. |
| 16:20.40 | Shouryuu | you wrote easyPriest? |
| 16:21.07 | namxo | yep Shouryuu |
| 16:21.13 | Tain | In the mean time every bug that has been found is in the addons using functions that were changed in the API, not in Ace. |
| 16:22.00 | Shouryuu | did you guys read Gello's post about how those error messages seem to work? |
| 16:22.15 | namxo | which ? :p |
| 16:22.31 | Tain | Not yet, but I need to get there so that someone can fix BugSack. My favorite error reporting addon doesn't catch those new errors right. |
| 16:23.15 | namxo | bugsack ? |
| 16:23.23 | namxo | i dunno it :D |
| 16:23.28 | Shouryuu | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=331202&p=1&tmp=1#post331202 |
| 16:25.21 | wereHamster | is there a InHardwareEvent() function that could be used to find out if an function has been calles in response to a hardware event ? |
| 16:25.32 | Shouryuu | I doubt it |
| 16:26.16 | wereHamster | => 1. The reported mod may not be the one that has the problem, it's only the mod at the top of the pile. .. so there is no workaround for this ATM.. |
| 16:26.38 | namxo | it's the chain of hook :) |
| 16:28.14 | wereHamster | I know.. but at least I could abort the chain if I found out that some evil addon tries to do evil things.. |
| 16:28.33 | namxo | where i can found bugsack ? |
| 16:28.39 | namxo | it's true wereHamster. |
| 16:28.52 | namxo | slouken could solve that maybe, tell his |
| 16:29.32 | namxo | Tain where i can found bugsack N |
| 16:29.53 | wereHamster | too bad that WoW doesn't include the lua debug library.. so we can't get call backtraces or other useful things :-/ |
| 16:30.20 | Tain | namxo: the original author is gone, and I'm still working on getting a full "group" support area set up somewhere for addons like this. But I have it here: |
| 16:30.40 | Tain | http://crushingdreams.com/WOW/BugSackAR4b.zip |
| 16:30.48 | namxo | thanks |
| 16:33.02 | namxo | so i must wait an error now ? :p |
| 16:33.40 | namxo | do you know a way to reload ui when you add a new addon ? |
| 16:33.54 | namxo | if i reload when i add a new addon, it don't work, i must quit and restart wow |
| 16:34.37 | futrtrubl | you have to log out all the way to the account log on screen |
| 16:34.53 | namxo | it's tedious :( |
| 16:35.48 | futrtrubl | plus you have to do that if you make changes to a .toc |
| 16:36.00 | namxo | yep i know :( |
| 16:36.17 | Osagasu | Sandstorm in Gadgetzan! w00t! |
| 16:36.20 | Tain | It especially sucks when on test. |
| 16:37.14 | namxo | yep sometimes i forget to restart :( |
| 16:37.39 | namxo | ## Title: BugSack |cff007FFF-Ace-|rs |
| 16:37.41 | namxo | correct by |
| 16:37.42 | namxo | ## Title: BugSack |cff007FFF-Ace-|r |
| 16:37.43 | namxo | :D |
| 16:38.03 | Tain | Oh yes thank you, I thought that was only in my local version. I will fix that. :) |
| 16:38.24 | namxo | ;D |
| 16:38.40 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn (n=George@151.56.206.238) |
| 16:40.11 | Kirkburn | Sometimes I really wish I could post on the US forums ... I really liek the suggestion someone made in the pet thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=330832 |
| 16:40.22 | Kirkburn | The idea of having a char slot for pets |
| 16:40.53 | Tain | I just read that, Kirkburn and it started me thinking too. |
| 16:41.14 | namxo | ok BugSack seems very good |
| 16:41.17 | namxo | i will use it now |
| 16:41.19 | namxo | release it Tain :) |
| 16:41.58 | Kirkburn | I can't think of any reason against having a 'mini' pet slot, and it makes no change to game mechanics. Basically it'd just be cool! |
| 16:42.08 | Tain | It was previously released by Rowne, namxo. I just have it still. But it will be out there, somewhere. soon. |
| 16:42.14 | namxo | what's the utility of a "pet slot" ? |
| 16:42.25 | namxo | ok :p |
| 16:43.01 | Tain | So you can put a pet on your character instead of taking a bag spot. |
| 16:43.08 | id` | zomg |
| 16:43.09 | id` | hi2u |
| 16:43.25 | namxo | oh for that. |
| 16:43.38 | namxo | only for a one bag spot ? |
| 16:43.42 | Kirkburn | Since the pet is in many ways a character trait |
| 16:43.43 | namxo | not very useful.. |
| 16:43.46 | Kirkburn | and hello id' |
| 16:43.55 | id` | :D |
| 16:44.10 | Tain | id did it! |
| 16:44.25 | Shouryuu | ok what does Power Calibration error mean when you fail to burn a CD? |
| 16:44.39 | Kirkburn | no idea |
| 16:44.55 | Shouryuu | aargh this is driving me nuts |
| 16:45.03 | Shouryuu | and jsut because my brother doesn't want to us 4 DVDs |
| 16:45.24 | Shouryuu | 4 DVDs, that's like 1US$ |
| 16:45.35 | id` | Sad to say though that i have cancelled my wow enGB account and that I won't be playing wow nore making addons anymore. |
| 16:45.44 | Kirkburn | I like how you specified the country Shouryuu :) |
| 16:45.57 | Kirkburn | That is sad! Why? |
| 16:45.57 | Shouryuu | awww why's that id'? |
| 16:46.07 | id` | I've had enough |
| 16:46.08 | id` | :P |
| 16:46.14 | Shouryuu | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 16:46.22 | Kirkburn | Of what? |
| 16:46.32 | id` | I'm going to find me another game with another story with alot less numbskulls |
| 16:46.35 | futrtrubl | NOOOOOOOO!!!!! |
| 16:46.36 | Kirkburn | (you'll be back come the expansion, we know it, you know it) |
| 16:46.40 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 16:47.02 | id` | the interface was all that made me stay tbh |
| 16:47.04 | Kirkburn | id', sounds like you've been reading the forums too much |
| 16:47.11 | id` | Kirkburn: never did |
| 16:47.24 | Kirkburn | Wow, well now I am shocked |
| 16:47.59 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 16:48.01 | Kirkburn | Where shall you go? Oblivion? |
| 16:48.08 | id` | It's just from my whole experience with the game and other players that wanted to make stop in december... |
| 16:48.09 | Kirkburn | not literally :) |
| 16:48.18 | id` | dunno yet |
| 16:48.31 | id` | I think i need a better PC for newer games :< |
| 16:48.35 | id` | (20 fps in wow) |
| 16:48.39 | Kirkburn | That's a pity ... I've not had many problems, but It kinda depends on who you meet |
| 16:48.46 | id` | all idiots |
| 16:48.47 | id` | :P |
| 16:48.57 | Kirkburn | heh ... pvp or pve server? |
| 16:49.02 | id` | pvp |
| 16:49.08 | Kirkburn | There's your problem? |
| 16:49.13 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 16:49.16 | Shouryuu | same difference now |
| 16:49.23 | id` | and wow is too much pve |
| 16:49.25 | Kirkburn | Dragonblight is a nice server |
| 16:49.30 | id` | pvp > pvp == true |
| 16:49.34 | id` | err |
| 16:49.36 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 16:49.37 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 16:49.37 | id` | pvp > pve == true |
| 16:49.53 | Kirkburn | if id' speaking == false |
| 16:49.57 | id` | DaoC, now that was pvp :P |
| 16:50.16 | Kirkburn | I'd recommend comign to Dragonblight, but it's PvE ... |
| 16:50.21 | id` | anyway, ill still hang here |
| 16:50.24 | id` | Kirkburn: i'm EU |
| 16:50.25 | Shouryuu | whipeeee |
| 16:50.31 | Tain | Of course if WoW was all pvp it would have much less of a subscriber base. |
| 16:50.33 | Kirkburn | So am I, silly |
| 16:50.40 | id` | Tain: wich is GREAT |
| 16:50.44 | Shouryuu | hehehe |
| 16:50.46 | Tain | Meaning less money incoming. Meaning less content and fixes. |
| 16:50.49 | id` | Tain: and just the problem itself |
| 16:50.59 | Tain | Meaning Asheron's Call 2. |
| 16:51.03 | Kirkburn | 500-strong guilds, ftw |
| 16:51.15 | id` | ;) |
| 16:51.16 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 16:51.19 | Shouryuu | wait all you want :P |
| 16:51.27 | id` | it will be a blast ill tell you |
| 16:51.30 | Tain | Oh wait... Asheron's Call 2 is closed down, isn't it? Funny how that happens. |
| 16:51.30 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 16:51.34 | Shouryuu | in about, hum 5 years |
| 16:51.39 | id` | yah :< |
| 16:51.41 | Shouryuu | :P |
| 16:51.54 | id` | Tain: DaoC still runs from 1999 or so |
| 16:51.58 | Kirkburn | Hey, I thought it was 'secret' ;) |
| 16:52.13 | id` | it also got a new gfx engine and pimps out wow's cartoony style atm |
| 16:52.17 | Tain | Yes but DaoC has a very specific kind of pvp. |
| 16:52.22 | id` | true dat |
| 16:52.26 | id` | and like, 30 classes? |
| 16:52.29 | id` | ^^ |
| 16:52.58 | Tain | Pure pvp games simply won't last right now. Not enough people want to play that way. |
| 16:53.00 | Kirkburn | "We need a lead designer for our new game which isn't D3. Honest. He will be expected to design Baal, Diablo and other Diablo characters. But this isn't Diablo. Noooo" |
| 16:53.46 | Kirkburn | I need screenshots of the weather! |
| 16:53.58 | id` | theres videos.. |
| 16:54.02 | Kirkburn | Where, where? |
| 16:54.04 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 16:54.06 | Shouryuu | official site |
| 16:54.09 | Tain | Try accuweather.com. ;) |
| 16:54.15 | id` | lol\ |
| 16:54.32 | Kirkburn | I meant good screenshots/videos not the crappy blizz ones |
| 16:55.10 | Kirkburn | This kind of screenie: http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/rapsmack/WoWScrnShot_030406_033831.jpg |
| 16:55.37 | Tain | My other suggestion was going to be to log on to test and take some, but I'm assuming you want them before next Thursday. |
| 16:55.43 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 16:56.01 | Kirkburn | I'm guessing no-one's actually LOOKED at the link, eh? |
| 16:56.06 | Tain | Nope! :D |
| 16:56.42 | Tain | I'm supposed to be packing, I can only make my procrastination go so far. |
| 16:56.49 | Kirkburn | This is an actual one of StV and the only one I've found anywhere: http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f63/winnarps/WoWScrnShot_030406_121542.jpg |
| 16:57.25 | Shouryuu | wow |
| 16:57.37 | Shouryuu | Ive just seen a DoD video, god these people are good |
| 16:57.42 | Shouryuu | I hardly see what they are shooting at |
| 16:57.52 | Shouryuu | depressing |
| 16:58.03 | Kirkburn | Seen the official 'archive footage' vid? |
| 16:58.13 | Shouryuu | nay |
| 16:58.30 | Shouryuu | I saw a CS video where someone takes out 5 people with 7Deagle bullets |
| 16:58.32 | Shouryuu | rather impressed me |
| 16:58.33 | Kirkburn | It's amazing, like watching one of those old new reports |
| 16:59.03 | Kirkburn | Were they standing in a line? ;) |
| 16:59.38 | Shouryuu | hehe nope |
| 16:59.49 | Shouryuu | really impressive |
| 17:05.39 | Kaelten | Osagasu: Whats wrong with ace? |
| 17:06.07 | Shouryuu | it's fine |
| 17:06.18 | Shouryuu | it was an addon using ace causing the problem |
| 17:06.30 | Kaelten | ah |
| 17:06.33 | Kaelten | hey Cair! |
| 17:06.49 | id` | hi K and C |
| 17:07.05 | Kaelten | test realms down right now? |
| 17:09.52 | Tain | I got a 5k queue when I tried five minutes ago, and quit. |
| 17:09.58 | Kaelten | lol |
| 17:10.08 | Kaelten | I try to click the button and I get a page saying that they are down right now. |
| 17:10.30 | Tain | Actaully would have left it on so I could play when it went through in six or seven hours, but I have to break down my PC and move it so no use there. |
| 17:11.12 | Kaelten | my graphics card managed to fry istelf |
| 17:11.49 | Kirkburn | Won't that make it a bit hard to play? |
| 17:12.53 | Kaelten | ya |
| 17:13.00 | Kaelten | I can't really do much and things crash most of the time. |
| 17:13.09 | Kaelten | but its semi stable now that I have 5 fans instead of 3 |
| 17:13.19 | Kaelten | card got up to 256 degrees C. |
| 17:13.23 | Kirkburn | :s |
| 17:13.32 | Kirkburn | 5 fans ... that must be LOUD |
| 17:13.51 | Kaelten | ya, pretty much <g> |
| 17:13.52 | Kirkburn | I think I only have two in my laptop |
| 17:14.03 | Kaelten | but it keeps the card at 130 while I try to play 3d games. |
| 17:14.11 | Kirkburn | 130! |
| 17:14.23 | Kaelten | ya, my new one is on the way. |
| 17:14.36 | Kaelten | it idles about 105 |
| 17:14.36 | Kirkburn | What is it when not playing? |
| 17:14.45 | Kirkburn | wow, that's bad :s |
| 17:14.48 | Kaelten | yep |
| 17:14.59 | Kaelten | got some funny graphics glitches though to see for it. |
| 17:15.08 | Kirkburn | hope the new one sorts it (57 degrees here) |
| 17:15.40 | Kirkburn | In fact the core slowdown threshold is 10 degrees below your idle temp |
| 17:16.18 | Osagasu | Best thing about Spirit of Redemption: You don't die, which means your enemiesa don't get honor from you and you still get honor from them in PvP |
| 17:16.47 | Osagasu | good stuff |
| 17:17.57 | Kaelten | I have a new slot fan on the way too. so that should help |
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| 17:19.41 | Kaelten | hey cide |
| 17:19.47 | Cide | hi |
| 17:21.05 | Kirkburn | http://shatteredminds.net/testrealm/ |
| 17:21.08 | wereHamster | does WoW use ddraw ? |
| 17:22.34 | Kaelten | no clue |
| 17:22.40 | Kaelten | thats kinda sad kirk |
| 17:22.52 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 17:25.09 | Kirkburn | What's Alt+F2 the shortcut for? |
| 17:25.28 | Osagasu | anyone on PTR horde side? |
| 17:26.13 | Kirkburn | (someone suggested doing Alt f4 or alt f2 'to help with the queue', but I've never heard of the second shortcut) |
| 17:26.29 | sarf|stuff | Probably "Shut down computer" or whatnot :) |
| 17:26.44 | Kirkburn | It doesn't seem to do anything ... |
| 17:27.22 | Shouryuu | you sure? |
| 17:27.28 | Cairenn | lol Kirkburn |
| 17:27.29 | Kirkburn | Perhaps it only works on his machine. And no, no test server for me Osagasu |
| 17:28.01 | Kirkburn | I didn't try it whilst waiting in the queue, I'm not that silly! |
| 17:28.11 | Kirkburn | (just a little bit) |
| 17:28.47 | Kirkburn | Now to try Alt+F4 ;) |
| 17:29.32 | Kirkburn | Does anyone know why the \n DCs WoW? |
| 17:29.54 | Kaelten | to prevent people from spoofing messages from GMS |
| 17:30.23 | Kirkburn | ah |
| 17:31.25 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.36 | Kirkburn | I like this ... http://www.myextralife.com/archive.php?date=2006-03-03 |
| 17:35.30 | Shouryuu | haha http://www.myextralife.com/archive.php?date=2006-02-17 |
| 17:39.16 | namxo | :) |
| 17:39.25 | namxo | :) |
| 17:40.00 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 17:42.06 | Cairenn | whee, only 4.5k+ queue for test |
| 17:42.16 | [MoonWolf] | it gets better over time. |
| 17:42.18 | [MoonWolf] | luckely |
| 17:43.45 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 18:05.28 | Cairenn | what's wrong? |
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| 18:11.31 | ToastTheif | hey zeeg |
| 18:22.31 | wereHamster | what's wrong ??? Blizzard once again broke WoW under wine.. |
| 18:23.25 | Cairenn | ah |
| 18:24.56 | [MoonWolf] | sadding indeed |
| 18:37.40 | Tain | You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. |
| 18:38.21 | [MoonWolf] | this is more like chickens making eggs that cant be baked in a non default pan every 3 months |
| 18:38.30 | [MoonWolf] | till you change the way the non default pan works. |
| 18:41.17 | Tain | Your analogy scares and confuses me. |
| 18:41.45 | [MoonWolf] | anyway, i thought the analogy was awesome. |
| 18:42.17 | zeeg | hola ToastTheif |
| 18:42.48 | zeeg | if running wow on linux is an omelet it's no wonder I don't like them :) |
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| 18:43.01 | elema | hy guys |
| 18:43.10 | Cairenn | hi elema |
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| 18:43.57 | elema | does anyone know whether a rss or ATOM new mods feed for curse-gaming exist ? |
| 18:44.46 | Cairenn | no idea here, sorry |
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| 18:46.20 | namxo | each mornin go on curse |
| 18:46.25 | namxo | and you will see new mods :D |
| 18:46.27 | namxo | i do that |
| 18:47.15 | elema | yel I do that too, but it would be great, if my news reader could automatically say me whether something changed |
| 18:47.28 | namxo | :p |
| 18:48.26 | Kirkburn|Work | For individual mods? |
| 18:48.43 | Tain | I happen to know that wowinterface.com offers various RSS feeds and are very open to suggestions. |
| 18:49.05 | Kirkburn|Work | Two reasons why it's less useful than you think: new mod every 5 mins, and add them to your favourites |
| 18:49.11 | namxo | i like the email notify when a comment on our mod |
| 18:49.11 | namxo | :) |
| 18:50.08 | Kirkburn|Work | I doubt Mr. Atlas or Mr. Titan Panel would agree with you namxo :P |
| 18:50.23 | namxo | why ? |
| 18:50.26 | namxo | you can disable this |
| 18:50.31 | namxo | by default it's disable |
| 18:50.36 | Kirkburn|Work | I know :) |
| 18:50.39 | Tain | Mr. Atlas is too busy holding up the world, and ... which Mr. Titan Panel anyway? there's about a dozen. ;) |
| 18:51.17 | [MoonWolf] | i still think titain is the best. |
| 18:51.24 | namxo | Cairenn still here ? |
| 18:51.28 | [1]Kaelten | titan is a resource hog though |
| 18:51.30 | Kirkburn|Work | I meant if they enabled it they'd have hundreds of emails! |
| 18:51.33 | [1]Kaelten | thats my issues with it. |
| 18:51.36 | Cairenn | nope, she ran away and joined the circus |
| 18:51.37 | Kirkburn|Work | Not if u disable the unused oarts |
| 18:51.40 | namxo | i hate titan :) |
| 18:51.44 | Kirkburn|Work | *parts |
| 18:51.51 | namxo | Cairenn you're wrong about that : The took out the ability to do this in 1.9. There is discussion that it'll be coming back in 1.10. |
| 18:51.56 | namxo | let me explain. |
| 18:52.11 | Cairenn | namxo: no, I'm not wrong about it |
| 18:52.15 | Cairenn | they took it out |
| 18:52.16 | Kirkburn|Work | She's wrong about the circus? |
| 18:52.23 | Tain | Not true, Kirkburn. Titan burns through OnUpdates checking things every single onupdate. |
| 18:52.33 | Tain | Even if they're disabled, like autohide. |
| 18:52.36 | namxo | in 1.10 you can connect with a client us/fr/kr/de/etc on a french server (for example) then the channels are localized for the server. So you can't speak on channel without addons. (the name are localized to the client) |
| 18:52.47 | Kirkburn|Work | You can disable them completely Tain |
| 18:52.54 | namxo | you're wrong about it Cairenn. :) |
| 18:52.56 | Kirkburn|Work | Most, anyway |
| 18:53.13 | Tain | No Kirkburn. It's the code itself. Not the plugins/features/etc. |
| 18:53.42 | Tain | The code needs fixing. It runs a boatload of stuff every single OnUpdate even on features that are disabled. |
| 18:53.45 | Kirkburn|Work | It is? Fair enough. Most of the others can be though. I'm hoping it gets a rwewrite sometime |
| 18:53.52 | Tain | And then at the end of some of it it says, "Oh that's disabled? Never mind then." |
| 18:54.02 | *** mode/#WoWI-lounge [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 18:54.16 | Kirkburn|Work | Well, i'm sure the author (Adserator?) wouldn't mind some help |
| 18:54.21 | Tain | I started one. Well, a gutting. I just haven't gotten back to it because I lost interest with BossPanel being out. |
| 18:54.27 | Tain | But, I might just go back to it anyway and keep up |
| 18:54.42 | [MoonWolf] | yeah, titain was great and i used it before bosspanel. |
| 18:54.50 | Kirkburn|Work | As long as you don't start trying to compete |
| 18:54.51 | [MoonWolf] | but you know, bosspanel aint really catching on that well |
| 18:54.58 | Tain | There's nothing wrong with competition. |
| 18:55.01 | Tain | Competition is healthy. |
| 18:55.04 | [MoonWolf] | and ace only has that many authors to trow at it. |
| 18:55.13 | Kirkburn|Work | It's also unnecessary |
| 18:55.23 | Tain | However, it's not what I was doing. I liked the idea of Titan, just not the patchwork code. |
| 18:55.32 | namxo | Cairenn i don't see any post about CastSpellByName bug :( |
| 18:55.46 | Kirkburn|Work | I'm just meaning that it'd be better to work with Ad rather than against |
| 18:55.54 | Tain | Bosspanel turned off too many people by being in a perpetual beta, wiping settings, and changing "API" functions early on. |
| 18:56.04 | Kirkburn|Work | But anyway ... I wonder what happened to the original author? |
| 18:56.06 | Tain | Kirkburn|Work: It's a matter of perspective. |
| 18:56.30 | Tain | My aims for a Titan type panel are different than others, so it wouldn't help me much to work with him. |
| 18:56.31 | Cairenn | Kirkburn|Work: I've no idea ... lord knows I've tried to get in touch with him enough times |
| 18:56.44 | Kirkburn|Work | Someone once decided to upload their own 'ClearFont' under the same name ... |
| 18:56.52 | Tain | For example one of the first things I did was rip out the hack code for the top and bottom bar in Titan. |
| 18:57.44 | [MoonWolf] | Kirkburn|Work, but that was found out and fixed soon enough. |
| 18:57.51 | namxo | could you post on forum about CastSpellByName bug Cairenn ? |
| 18:58.14 | Kaelten | Cair, is comments setup as a RSS feed on wowi? |
| 18:58.21 | Kirkburn|Work | Well yeah, it was only a few hours earlier that I'd uploaded the proper one |
| 18:58.35 | Cairenn | [MoonWolf]: what do you mean you when you say you want class and race info for vanguard? |
| 18:59.02 | [MoonWolf] | vangaurd saga of heroes, what classes, what skill will they have, what will the races be. |
| 18:59.23 | Cairenn | Kaelten: not sure, you'd have to ask dolby, but take a look here: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2757 |
| 18:59.58 | Cairenn | [MoonWolf]: most of that info is already avail on the V:SoH website: http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/index.php? |
| 19:00.22 | Cairenn | namxo: send me a PM on WoWI with the precise subject line and the exact text you'd like posted |
| 19:00.39 | namxo | ok Cairenn thanks |
| 19:03.01 | namxo | sent Cairenn |
| 19:04.13 | Cairenn | morning Shadowd |
| 19:04.33 | [MoonWolf] | work stupid search function work |
| 19:04.52 | [MoonWolf] | im trying to use the search function on V:SoH but its not doing much. |
| 19:05.21 | Cairenn | namxo: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=331280&s=new&tmp=1#new |
| 19:06.10 | Shadowd | morning |
| 19:06.11 | namxo | thanks |
| 19:06.17 | namxo | anyone have test the widescreen setup on pts ? |
| 19:14.52 | Kirkburn|Work | Ooh "the Old gods created the Naga", didn't know that |
| 19:15.18 | [MoonWolf] | they did not |
| 19:15.31 | Kirkburn|Work | Oh, you want proof? |
| 19:15.32 | [MoonWolf] | the naga are the nightelves that got sucked under the mealstrom. |
| 19:15.48 | Kirkburn|Work | The Old gods offer a deal to Azshara when she and the highborne were about to drown before the rushing waters of the Sundering. The highborne and Azshara are transmuted into the Naga. Richard A. Knaak confirmed to me that the Old gods created the Naga |
| 19:16.00 | [MoonWolf] | aha |
| 19:16.02 | [MoonWolf] | okay |
| 19:16.10 | Kirkburn|Work | me, being the person who runs Blizzplanet |
| 19:16.16 | Tain | namxo I'm using 1280x768 |
| 19:16.46 | Kirkburn|Work | (I meant I'm not the person referred to there) |
| 19:17.16 | Kirkburn|Work | Oh and Draenei are not shamanistic ;) |
| 19:20.04 | namxo | someone say the widescreen is for two screen, is it true ? |
| 19:20.40 | Tain | No namxo, not for me. I have one screen, but it is widescreen. WoW uses it like that. |
| 19:20.54 | namxo | without this option how you see wow ? |
| 19:21.36 | Tain | It shows normally, but my screen stretches it. |
| 19:21.46 | Kirkburn|Work | I still wonder what "think of falling leaves" means in relation to the new race ... |
| 19:21.55 | namxo | ok |
| 19:22.16 | Tain | Treants! Treants are the new race! |
| 19:22.32 | Kirkburn|Work | :) |
| 19:22.58 | Tain | Well, there's a few different ways to look at it. What causes leaves to fall? |
| 19:23.13 | Kirkburn|Work | Lumberjacks? |
| 19:23.17 | Tain | Autumn.. caterpillars eating them.. |
| 19:23.29 | Kirkburn|Work | Omg, we're gonna have butterflies! |
| 19:23.46 | Kirkburn|Work | Axe-wielding, uber-buttflies |
| 19:24.29 | Kirkburn|Work | But going through every race, there just don't seem to be any that relate to that hint |
| 19:24.35 | Tain | That would rule. |
| 19:24.53 | Kirkburn|Work | Furbolgs are about the only ones who are foresty |
| 19:25.45 | Cairenn | lalala |
| 19:26.25 | Kirkburn|Work | You could make a massive list of possibles ... Draenei, Furbolgs, Worgen, Quillboars, High Elves, Wildhammers ... |
| 19:26.37 | Kirkburn|Work | And why, pray, is she singing? |
| 19:26.57 | [MoonWolf] | to turn us all into mindless zombies |
| 19:27.01 | [MoonWolf] | of DOOM |
| 19:27.02 | Cairenn | trying to find a post |
| 19:27.30 | Kirkburn|Work | Oh doom, that's okay. I thought it might have been bad. |
| 19:35.37 | Kirkburn|Work | nVidia people, there's a new (official beta) driver out - 8412. Reports are it gives better performance in WoW |
| 19:36.30 | Tain | Furbolgs were the first suggestion I ever though of when it was announced for new race. |
| 19:37.05 | Kirkburn|Work | Well, there are two Timbermaw Holds |
| 19:37.33 | Kirkburn|Work | Uncorrupted ones are friendly to NEs |
| 19:37.48 | Kirkburn|Work | There is at least one tribe unaccounted for |
| 19:38.04 | Kirkburn|Work | They live in forests, they live on the right continent |
| 19:38.09 | Cairenn | read your lore folks, you should be able to figure it out |
| 19:38.26 | cladhaire | Cairenn: Easy for you to say, once you know what it is =) |
| 19:38.28 | Kirkburn|Work | People on the lore forums can't figure it out! |
| 19:38.38 | Cairenn | lalala |
| 19:38.38 | cladhaire | hindsight and everything =) |
| 19:38.47 | Tain | But I like making uneducated guesses at things. |
| 19:38.48 | Kirkburn|Work | Even those who know Metzen |
| 19:38.49 | Tain | It's easier. |
| 19:39.05 | Kirkburn|Work | It's just not fair when some people know more and won't tell :( |
| 19:39.13 | Tain | ~8ball Will the new race be furbolgs? |
| 19:39.14 | purl | Please ask again. |
| 19:39.18 | [MoonWolf] | non disclosare agreemnts FTL |
| 19:39.20 | Cairenn | Kirkburn|Work: it's called NDA |
| 19:39.20 | Kirkburn|Work | I read http://www.pvprp.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=43 all the time |
| 19:39.47 | cladhaire | ~8ball WIll the new race be worgen? |
| 19:39.48 | purl | Please ask again. |
| 19:39.48 | cladhaire | =) |
| 19:39.48 | Kirkburn|Work | Well the NDAs aren't fair |
| 19:39.48 | Kirkburn|Work | Gilneas ;) |
| 19:39.52 | cladhaire | <3 gilneas |
| 19:40.04 | Tain | ~8ball Will the new race be butterflies? |
| 19:40.05 | purl | I'm sure of it. |
| 19:40.08 | Tain | Woohoo! |
| 19:40.11 | cladhaire | WOOT |
| 19:40.11 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:40.27 | Kirkburn|Work | heh |
| 19:40.43 | Kirkburn|Work | I win! |
| 19:41.06 | [MoonWolf] | im going to be a butterfly mage |
| 19:41.13 | Kirkburn|Work | How about if ... purl ... disclosed it? |
| 19:41.31 | Kirkburn|Work | Doubt that's signed an NDA |
| 19:41.43 | Kirkburn|Work | :) |
| 19:41.54 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 19:42.16 | cladhaire | Cair: You're soo mean to us =) |
| 19:42.18 | cladhaire | you taunt me |
| 19:42.34 | Kirkburn|Work | me too ... /casts Guilt rank 20 |
| 19:42.44 | Cairenn | and you guys absolutely love it |
| 19:42.51 | cladhaire | SAYS YOU!!!!! |
| 19:42.58 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 19:43.15 | Tain | I bet the new race are... Falling Leaf Elves. |
| 19:43.25 | Kirkburn|Work | http://ewancient.lysator.liu.se/pic/art/j/k/jkbowers2/butterflymage.jpg |
| 19:43.36 | Cairenn | where did this whole "falling leaves" thing come from? |
| 19:43.51 | Tain | I don't know, he said it --> |
| 19:43.53 | Kirkburn|Work | Why, is it relevant? |
| 19:44.10 | Kirkburn|Work | Okay, i'll ask this is a simple way - can you see a link? |
| 19:44.20 | Cairenn | yes |
| 19:44.24 | Tain | Is it bigger than a bread box? |
| 19:44.24 | Kirkburn|Work | Okay |
| 19:44.25 | Cairenn | errr |
| 19:44.41 | Cairenn | hang on, what do you mean by can I see a link? if you post a link to a thread some where, yes I can see the link :p |
| 19:44.47 | Kirkburn|Work | :( |
| 19:45.00 | Kirkburn|Work | I mean, does it make sense? |
| 19:45.16 | Kirkburn|Work | ... to which you said yes? |
| 19:45.18 | Cairenn | I'm just trying to figure out what you are talking about when you said this: Kirkburn|Work: I still wonder what "think of falling leaves" means in relation to the new race ... |
| 19:45.28 | Cairenn | no ,that wasn't the question I was answering |
| 19:45.43 | Kirkburn|Work | darn |
| 19:45.54 | Kirkburn|Work | I'm trying to find a think, but I think it was Caydiem that said it |
| 19:45.54 | Cairenn | where did you see the whole "think of falling leaves" thing? |
| 19:46.00 | Kirkburn|Work | *link |
| 19:46.16 | Kirkburn|Work | It's mentioned frequently here: http://www.pvprp.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=43 |
| 19:48.42 | Kirkburn|Work | Can't find an original link |
| 19:49.21 | cladhaire | "Watch out for missing leaves" is mentioned in like the fourth post. |
| 19:49.27 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Qzot (n=esnickel@ip-66-80-2-118.dsl.sca.megapath.net) |
| 19:49.28 | cladhaire | just randomly =) |
| 19:49.29 | Cairenn | yeah, saw it |
| 19:49.35 | Cairenn | but wonder where the heck it came from |
| 19:50.04 | cladhaire | well if it has any validity.. someeone from blizzard or related.. if not.. could be anything *shurg* |
| 19:50.07 | cladhaire | the leaks are obviously there |
| 19:50.32 | Tain | Missing leaves could mean... termites! |
| 19:50.38 | Tain | Termites are the new race! |
| 19:50.50 | cladhaire | butterflies.. purl doesn't liek |
| 19:50.56 | cladhaire | s/liek/lie/ |
| 19:51.07 | Tain | True enough. |
| 19:52.11 | Qzot | Coming into the middle of this conversation and extrapolating backwards leads to some interesting ... ah ... conclusions. |
| 19:52.31 | Cairenn | oh really? |
| 19:54.22 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 19:54.26 | cladhaire | i hate how amused by all of this you are =) |
| 19:54.26 | cladhaire | its evil |
| 19:54.56 | Kirkburn|Work | I'm still trying to find that post |
| 19:55.23 | Kirkburn|Work | How can *you* be confused Cair? |
| 19:56.14 | Cairenn | I asked Qzot what he's talking about, then clad says I'm amused and it's evil, and I'm just lost at this point, lol |
| 19:56.33 | Tain | So if she weighs the same as a duck... |
| 19:56.37 | cladhaire | evil.. |
| 19:56.40 | Cairenn | ack! |
| 19:57.27 | Cairenn | I was just wondering what sort of "interesting ... ah ... conclusions" Qzot was coming up with :p |
| 19:57.27 | Qzot | I was referring to cladhaire's comment about the leaks leading to Tain's guess that termites are the new race, leading to cladhaire talking about butterflies and hacky mispelled scripting languages. |
| 19:57.34 | Cairenn | ah |
| 19:57.40 | cladhaire | *cough* evil |
| 19:57.49 | Cairenn | see, now I"m not confused any more |
| 19:57.59 | cladhaire | but still evil |
| 19:58.04 | cladhaire | i should go shower |
| 19:58.05 | Cairenn | cladhaire? *smooch* |
| 19:58.05 | Kirkburn|Work | Ageed, cladhaire |
| 19:58.25 | Qzot | Um .. what *was* being discussed? |
| 19:58.36 | Kirkburn|Work | I think it would have been better is Cladhair hasn't mentioned the shower then |
| 19:58.39 | Cairenn | the new alliance race and guesses as to what it might be |
| 19:58.43 | Kirkburn|Work | s/is/if/ |
| 19:59.00 | Qzot | Or should I just assume that Butterflies are the new alliance race, and they leak Perl as a means of taking over the world. |
| 19:59.01 | cladhaire | ~8ball Will the new alliance race be "Cladhaire's in the Shower?" |
| 19:59.02 | purl | Please ask again. |
| 19:59.06 | cladhaire | ok |
| 19:59.20 | Kirkburn|Work | purl? |
| 19:59.21 | cladhaire | *sigh* |
| 19:59.23 | cladhaire | purl yelled at me |
| 19:59.24 | cladhaire | ~8ball Will the new alliance race be "Cladhaire's in the Shower?" |
| 19:59.26 | purl | Are you smoking crack? |
| 19:59.29 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 19:59.30 | Kirkburn|Work | lol! |
| 19:59.43 | cladhaire | now i've been let down before |
| 19:59.45 | cladhaire | but that one hurt |
| 19:59.49 | cladhaire | ~lazer purl |
| 19:59.52 | Qzot | LOL |
| 19:59.57 | cladhaire | ok |
| 20:00.00 | cladhaire | i'm going to go sulk now. |
| 20:00.05 | Kirkburn|Work | We'd better check .... |
| 20:00.07 | Kirkburn|Work | ~8ball Will the new race be butterflies? |
| 20:00.09 | purl | I'm sure of it. |
| 20:00.12 | cladhaire | hahahahah |
| 20:00.13 | Kirkburn|Work | :D |
| 20:00.15 | Tain | Yay! |
| 20:00.22 | cladhaire | this entire conversatino needs to be posted on the lore forum |
| 20:00.24 | cladhaire | and when we're right |
| 20:00.27 | cladhaire | we'll all laught at them |
| 20:00.32 | cladhaire | lore.. pft.. PURL |
| 20:00.35 | Kirkburn|Work | hehehe |
| 20:00.53 | Kirkburn|Work | ~8ball Will there be butterfly mages? |
| 20:00.55 | purl | Please ask again. |
| 20:00.59 | Qzot | Hmm. I can only guess how to ask such an esteemed oracle... |
| 20:01.15 | Kirkburn|Work | ~8ball Please, will there be butterfly mages? |
| 20:01.16 | purl | Are you smoking crack? |
| 20:01.16 | Qzot | ~8ball Will the new Alliance butterflies use Perl? |
| 20:01.17 | purl | Absolutely. |
| 20:01.32 | Kirkburn|Work | No butterfly mages for us :( |
| 20:01.48 | Qzot | But NPCs that can help write addons! Yay! |
| 20:01.50 | Kirkburn|Work | But at least we'll know they code well |
| 20:02.05 | cladhaire | Perl != coding well |
| 20:02.13 | Qzot | Lol! |
| 20:02.15 | cladhaire | Perl == coding powerefully.. on crack |
| 20:02.28 | Kirkburn|Work | ~8ball Should Cairenn stop being so mean? |
| 20:02.29 | purl | Yes. |
| 20:02.35 | Cairenn | :( |
| 20:02.36 | cladhaire | wow. |
| 20:02.37 | cladhaire | purl knows all |
| 20:02.39 | purl | and don't you forget it |
| 20:02.45 | Kirkburn|Work | lol |
| 20:02.48 | Cairenn | ~cry |
| 20:02.50 | purl | ACTION cries and sobs until he nearly drowns in his own tears |
| 20:02.50 | cladhaire | hahahahahaha |
| 20:02.52 | Qzot | ~8ball Will the new Perl scripts work in a Nexus context? |
| 20:02.54 | purl | Are you smoking crack? |
| 20:02.57 | [MoonWolf] | hilarious |
| 20:03.13 | Kaelten | ~8ball Is Cair a nice person? |
| 20:03.16 | purl | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 20:03.16 | Kirkburn|Work | I think purl hates Cair 2day .... what did you do!? |
| 20:03.24 | Kirkburn|Work | Doesn't sound confident ... |
| 20:03.34 | Kaelten | ~emulate Cairenn |
| 20:03.36 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 20:03.46 | cladhaire | ~emulate Iriel |
| 20:03.47 | purl | I have 2 part-time gnomes, perl, and java, which do some of the heavy lifting, but they require constant supervision. |
| 20:03.52 | cladhaire | =) |
| 20:03.55 | Kaelten | lol |
| 20:04.00 | Kaelten | ~emulate cladhaire |
| 20:04.01 | purl | Good code is something to appreciate like a work of art. |
| 20:04.03 | Qzot | What??? |
| 20:04.21 | Kaelten | ~emulate purl |
| 20:04.22 | purl | ACTION tries to look like itself |
| 20:04.23 | cladhaire | my emulate is so boring., |
| 20:04.34 | Qzot | That bloody thing is tracking what we say?? o.O |
| 20:04.34 | Kaelten | hmm I wonder If I have one. |
| 20:04.41 | Kaelten | ~emulate Kaelten |
| 20:04.52 | Kirkburn|Work | um |
| 20:04.54 | Kaelten | guess not |
| 20:04.56 | Kaelten | lol |
| 20:04.56 | Cairenn | Qzot: no, folks have programmed in responses |
| 20:04.58 | cladhaire | aaaw |
| 20:04.58 | Tain | Yeah well I got annoyed when someone (who shall go unnamed for now, but I know who you are) changed mine to reference Saiens. |
| 20:05.08 | cladhaire | oooh |
| 20:05.10 | Kirkburn|Work | ~emulate Tain |
| 20:05.11 | purl | Changing someone's factinfo they set for themselves is pretty rude, asshole. |
| 20:05.11 | cladhaire | thats rough |
| 20:05.18 | Kaelten | lmao |
| 20:05.19 | Cairenn | yeah, changing someone else's is just not cool |
| 20:05.25 | Kaelten | ~emulate Saien |
| 20:05.26 | purl | This is a stunningly stupid question to direct at me. |
| 20:05.26 | Tain | Unless they're not here anyway. |
| 20:05.30 | Tain | Like Saien. :) |
| 20:05.36 | Kaelten | ~emulate zeeg |
| 20:05.37 | purl | i have no morals. im a business man |
| 20:05.50 | Kirkburn|Work | hehe |
| 20:06.04 | Kirkburn|Work | He does like the host unreleased content, that man |
| 20:06.19 | zeeg | its true |
| 20:06.23 | cladhaire | lol |
| 20:06.24 | zeeg | but i have morals |
| 20:06.25 | Qzot | Oh. My. A city bot comes to mind. |
| 20:06.41 | zeeg | If i didnt have morals I would be running porn sites and making 10x the $ i make |
| 20:06.41 | Qzot | Eliza meets Purl meets The Barrens. |
| 20:06.50 | Kirkburn|Work | Can we get back to the point in hand? Cairenn needs to start talking about these alliance butterflies! |
| 20:06.58 | cladhaire | porn sites are immoral? |
| 20:07.03 | zeeg | idk |
| 20:07.03 | Tain | Come my lady, come come my lady.. be my butterfly. |
| 20:07.06 | zeeg | unethical at least |
| 20:07.08 | zeeg | i couldnt do it |
| 20:07.16 | cladhaire | you're my butterfly.. sugar.. baby |
| 20:07.24 | Tain | Porn is unethical? Oh shit. |
| 20:07.29 | cladhaire | I don't consider them unethical in any way |
| 20:07.33 | Kaelten | Tain's gonna burn |
| 20:07.48 | Tain | Disco inferno. |
| 20:07.55 | Kirkburn|Work | Of what, butterflies? *innocence* |
| 20:08.04 | Cairenn | of course! |
| 20:08.05 | Qzot | No more so than crack dealers, at least. |
| 20:08.23 | Tain | Why did the man throw his breakfast out the window? |
| 20:08.27 | Kaelten | those are some nice butterflies cair. |
| 20:08.29 | Tain | He wanted to see the butter fly. |
| 20:08.36 | Cairenn | Tain: *groan* |
| 20:08.45 | Cairenn | Kaelten: ;) |
| 20:09.00 | Kirkburn|Work | This is so, so wrong |
| 20:09.09 | Cairenn | but so much fun |
| 20:09.13 | Kaelten | feels good to me |
| 20:09.14 | Qzot | Well, cladhaire may abandon his shower, but I need mine. Later. |
| 20:09.24 | Kirkburn|Work | I thought you were hiding Cairenn? |
| 20:09.24 | Cairenn | later Qzot :) |
| 20:09.31 | Cairenn | I am, you can't see me |
| 20:09.36 | zeeg | cladhaire, do you know what it takes to run a porn site tho? |
| 20:09.38 | Kirkburn|Work | damn. she's right y'know |
| 20:09.45 | Kirkburn|Work | Some women? |
| 20:09.46 | Cairenn | just this random disembodied voice |
| 20:09.57 | zeeg | hell my grandparents already think I do :P |
| 20:10.22 | Kirkburn|Work | A voice who should be telling us more, more! |
| 20:10.39 | Cairenn | Kirkburn|Work: oh baby oh baby |
| 20:10.50 | Kirkburn|Work | heh |
| 20:10.53 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 20:10.56 | cladhaire | zeeg: Not in particular.. but I don't think its an ethical or moral dilemma |
| 20:11.00 | Tain | no one may see the great and powerful Oz.. Cairenn! |
| 20:11.13 | cladhaire | they can be RUN unethically and unmorally.. but its not inherent |
| 20:11.15 | Tain | It's really more of a financial dilemna. |
| 20:11.16 | zeeg | cladhaire, it takes quite a bit of things that I would never do to be successful in that industry :s |
| 20:11.22 | cladhaire | =) |
| 20:11.27 | cladhaire | successful maybe |
| 20:11.33 | cladhaire | we were just talking about running porn sites. |
| 20:11.34 | cladhaire | =) |
| 20:11.37 | zeeg | i dont do something unless I can do it better than the competition :P |
| 20:11.43 | Kirkburn|Work | In a hypothetical situation where this 'falling leaves' comment had been made, would it hypothetically have any relation to a hypothetical alliance race that you may or may not know about? |
| 20:11.55 | cladhaire | again, doesn't make it immoral or unethical as it stands |
| 20:12.00 | Cairenn | lol, nice try Kirkburn|Work |
| 20:12.08 | cladhaire | you woudl never do it, because to do it well you would have to do things against your moral and ethical code.. I can accept that =) |
| 20:12.17 | zeeg | ya pretty much |
| 20:12.20 | zeeg | and its too much work IMO :P |
| 20:12.24 | zeeg | im lazy, that fits in there too |
| 20:12.48 | Kirkburn|Work | I thought so too Cair ... and the hypothetically hypothetical answer is ... emote for yes, normal comment for no :P |
| 20:12.58 | cladhaire | haha |
| 20:13.00 | cladhaire | well done |
| 20:13.35 | Kirkburn|Work | Does she dare? |
| 20:13.44 | cladhaire | hehe |
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| 20:13.59 | Cairenn | do I dare what? *confused again* |
| 20:14.01 | cladhaire | that was quite clever.. i'm impressed =) |
| 20:14.04 | cladhaire | OMG ITS NOT |
| 20:14.09 | cladhaire | =( |
| 20:14.10 | cladhaire | damn |
| 20:14.12 | cladhaire | red herrings |
| 20:14.15 | Cairenn | not what? |
| 20:14.17 | Tain | A herring! |
| 20:14.17 | Cairenn | huh? |
| 20:14.19 | cladhaire | lol |
| 20:14.24 | cladhaire | " I thought so too Cair ... and the hypothetically hypothetical answer is ... emote for yes, normal comment for no :P |
| 20:14.28 | cladhaire | your response was a normal comment |
| 20:14.28 | cladhaire | hence |
| 20:14.33 | sancus | zeeg: Thanks, for the patch 1.10 stuff |
| 20:14.37 | Kirkburn|Work | You see no link! |
| 20:14.43 | zeeg | how would Cairenn know about the new Alliance race O.o |
| 20:14.45 | Cairenn | wtf? |
| 20:14.47 | zeeg | especially if I dont know! |
| 20:14.48 | Tain | There is no spoon. |
| 20:14.49 | cladhaire | haha |
| 20:14.53 | Kirkburn|Work | Furbolgs and butterflies go out the window? |
| 20:14.58 | cladhaire | Cair > Zeeg = |
| 20:15.00 | cladhaire | =) |
| 20:15.01 | Tain | Because if she did know about it, she wouldn't post pictures, Zeeg. :) |
| 20:15.04 | zeeg | not in information :) |
| 20:15.08 | Cairenn | you guys are really confusing the hell out of me |
| 20:15.11 | zeeg | Tain, thats how i get most of the info tho |
| 20:15.13 | cladhaire | hahaha |
| 20:15.19 | zeeg | because people know I'll post it so they come to me first |
| 20:15.32 | Kirkburn|Work | What leaks? |
| 20:15.44 | zeeg | *himself |
| 20:16.02 | cladhaire | lol |
| 20:16.09 | Kirkburn|Work | One day you're gonna have a very sore bum |
| 20:16.09 | zeeg | granted i havent been keeping up much lately, but i wouldnt miss out on something *that* big |
| 20:16.46 | zeeg | why do you say that kirkburn |
| 20:16.55 | Kirkburn|Work | it's gonna bite you in the ass? |
| 20:17.05 | zeeg | it cant |
| 20:17.18 | zeeg | im careful with what I do |
| 20:17.25 | zeeg | otherwise I would release more information |
| 20:17.40 | Cairenn | namxo: http://www.worldofwar.net/shredder/index.php?seite=kobold&&pid=23313 |
| 20:17.40 | zeeg | i only release what I can get away with, like right now for example.. I have some killer info but i cant release it yet |
| 20:17.59 | Kirkburn|Work | On what, WoW? |
| 20:18.11 | zeeg | Kirkburn|Work, its related to WoW, ya |
| 20:18.45 | Kirkburn|Work | But it's not the alliance race is it? :( |
| 20:18.48 | zeeg | IMO this is bigger than the expansion news :) |
| 20:18.52 | zeeg | no its not |
| 20:18.53 | zeeg | i dont know that |
| 20:18.55 | zeeg | or id release it :P |
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| 20:19.09 | zeeg | dont expect o know it til e3 |
| 20:19.13 | Kirkburn|Work | well, er, then ... blimey |
| 20:19.19 | zeeg | *to |
| 20:19.30 | zeeg | which btw, is when I expect Diablo 3 to be announced |
| 20:19.36 | Kirkburn|Work | How on earth do you find out (other than 'sources') |
| 20:19.45 | Kirkburn|Work | Yeah well, that's a pretty badly kept secret |
| 20:19.45 | zeeg | Kirkburn|Work, thats the only way i find out :P |
| 20:20.14 | zeeg | Kirkburn|Work, it wasnt badly kept, and no ones said it would be E3 except me. We were the only ones to leak the news and Blizzard denies every bit of it |
| 20:20.15 | Kirkburn|Work | "we need people to work with the Diablo I and II teams" ... wonder why? |
| 20:20.28 | zeeg | when dd they say that |
| 20:20.35 | Kirkburn|Work | Job applications |
| 20:20.42 | zeeg | oh, that was recently wasnt it |
| 20:20.59 | Kirkburn|Work | About 2 months ago I think |
| 20:21.15 | Kirkburn|Work | When is E3? |
| 20:21.17 | zeeg | ya i remember that :) |
| 20:21.24 | zeeg | i posted news about d3 in oct i think it was |
| 20:21.37 | Cairenn | May 11-13-ish |
| 20:21.39 | zeeg | maybe thats why blizz wont let me on the fansite list |
| 20:21.49 | Kirkburn|Work | *shock* |
| 20:21.50 | zeeg | 10-12 is expo |
| 20:21.58 | id` | If anyone wants to continue developing on one of my addons tell me because I have stopped with WoW. |
| 20:22.08 | id` | industrial.wowinterface.com |
| 20:22.17 | zeeg | id`, how come |
| 20:22.25 | Cairenn | http://www.e3expo.com/ |
| 20:22.33 | id` | bored by the only thing that made me stick to it |
| 20:22.39 | id` | the interface |
| 20:22.48 | zeeg | Cairenn, i know |
| 20:22.56 | zeeg | 10-12 is expo |
| 20:22.57 | Cairenn | zeeg: it wasn't for you |
| 20:22.59 | zeeg | they'd announce it during the xpo |
| 20:23.01 | zeeg | oh |
| 20:23.03 | zeeg | sorry |
| 20:23.08 | zeeg | didnt even see kirkburn say that |
| 20:23.12 | Kirkburn|Work | ~8ball Is Cairenn trying to pretend our previous discussion didn't happen? |
| 20:23.14 | purl | Unsure. |
| 20:23.39 | zeeg | what use is an 8ball that's unsure |
| 20:23.44 | zeeg | the only reason you ask it is because you are unsure |
| 20:23.45 | Kirkburn|Work | I agree |
| 20:23.49 | Cairenn | I'm not going to tell you what the race is, so you may as well stop asking |
| 20:23.56 | zeeg | Cairenn, do you know? |
| 20:23.58 | Kirkburn|Work | I know, but it's fun all the same :P |
| 20:24.02 | Iriel | I thought it was Squirrel? |
| 20:24.06 | Cairenn | zeeg: that's rather well established |
| 20:24.12 | zeeg | Cairenn, how do you know? |
| 20:24.15 | Kirkburn|Work | Iriel, we found it was actually butterflies |
| 20:24.27 | Iriel | Critters are joining forces with the Alliance |
| 20:24.40 | id` | no wai |
| 20:24.49 | Kirkburn|Work | Perl doesn't lie |
| 20:24.51 | Cairenn | zeeg: I'm no more going to answer that question than I am going to answer with the name of the race |
| 20:25.03 | zeeg | I honestly can't see you knowing |
| 20:25.05 | zeeg | no offense |
| 20:25.12 | Kirkburn|Work | "~8ball Will the new race be butterflies?" "I'm sure of it." |
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| 20:25.27 | id` | ~8ball Will the new race be butterflies? |
| 20:25.28 | purl | No. |
| 20:25.33 | id` | owned |
| 20:25.34 | zeeg | Because you dont work for Blizzard, and they wouldnt let it outside of certain employees |
| 20:25.37 | zeeg | and if they did, I would know ;P |
| 20:25.45 | Kirkburn|Work | id' it doesn't trust you! |
| 20:25.54 | Cairenn | yeah well, you go ahead and believe what you'd like to zeeg |
| 20:25.57 | Kirkburn|Work | It trusted me and cladhaire :) |
| 20:26.34 | Kirkburn|Work | So anyway ... Quillboars? ;) |
| 20:26.58 | Cairenn | lol Kirkburn|Work, you are persistent, I'll give you that much |
| 20:27.08 | Kirkburn|Work | It'll be so weird seeing a new race going around Stormwind |
| 20:27.10 | id` | how about harpies |
| 20:27.12 | Iriel | For the general peace and harmony of the channel, as well as both of your blood pressures, now's probably a good time to end the virtual chest beating. |
| 20:27.18 | Kirkburn|Work | I'm not gonna pester any more, Cairenn :) |
| 20:27.27 | Tain | Ok, does that mean epenis measuring is up next? |
| 20:27.32 | Kirkburn|Work | "virtual"? |
| 20:27.41 | id` | let me invite tekkub Tain |
| 20:27.43 | id` | :> |
| 20:27.50 | Iriel | Tain : I really hope not. |
| 20:28.04 | cladhaire | lol |
| 20:28.08 | Kirkburn|Work | Iriel is too modest |
| 20:28.14 | id` | anyone ever played KAL online? |
| 20:28.22 | Iriel | I've never even HEARD of KAL online |
| 20:28.34 | Kirkburn|Work | What's 'online'? |
| 20:28.45 | cladhaire | my internet is broke so i can't play online things. |
| 20:28.46 | Tain | Wait.. chest beating, Iriel knows something! The new race is Gorillas! |
| 20:28.56 | Kirkburn|Work | heh |
| 20:29.01 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 20:29.04 | Iriel | Well, there is weather now, so it could be Gorillas in the Mist |
| 20:29.07 | Tain | haha |
| 20:29.26 | zeeg | if you know |
| 20:29.29 | Iriel | Jane Goodall will be their leader, and how they joined the alliance |
| 20:29.29 | Kirkburn|Work | Wait, Cairenn said 'ROFL' that sounds like a dog! It's actually chickens! |
| 20:29.31 | Tain | The new race is only female, and uses the Sigourney Weaver model. |
| 20:29.35 | zeeg | then it has to be Draenai |
| 20:29.41 | zeeg | thats my only conclusion |
| 20:29.56 | wereHamster | I think I've found what breaks WoW under wine.. |
| 20:30.01 | zeeg | cuz there's nothing anywhere in google, and no one outside certain groups of blizz is allowed to know (or they risk losing their jobs) |
| 20:30.02 | Iriel | zeeg: Or she could be just trying to get a rise out of you, either way, kindly drop it, please. |
| 20:30.04 | Kirkburn|Work | The water? |
| 20:30.14 | zeeg | i didnt bring it up |
| 20:30.19 | Iriel | Nothing good will come of the continuation of the conversation. |
| 20:30.34 | zeeg | nothing good came form starting it :) |
| 20:30.38 | zeeg | except im going to dig now |
| 20:30.40 | Kirkburn|Work | You missed all the fun Iriel ;) |
| 20:30.45 | Tain | Yeah it was fun before. |
| 20:30.49 | Iriel | I guess I did, I was ordering pizza. |
| 20:30.51 | Tain | Then something happened. |
| 20:30.56 | Tain | So now it's not fun. And I'm off! |
| 20:31.06 | Iriel | (And breadsticks) |
| 20:31.06 | Kirkburn|Work | Now it's like watching Apocalypse Now |
| 20:31.19 | Cairenn | Iriel: relax, I"m not upset in the slightest, he can believe whatever he chooses to believe, doesn't phase me in the slightest |
| 20:32.02 | Kirkburn|Work | I want breadsticks |
| 20:32.10 | Iriel | So do I, that's why I ordered them! |
| 20:32.10 | Cairenn | breadsticks sound good |
| 20:32.26 | Iriel | The pizza's not for me, but the breadsticks are |
| 20:32.34 | Kirkburn|Work | I'm guessing since neither sarf nor sancus have pestered me, ClearFont must work still :D |
| 20:33.03 | cladhaire | So Iriel, whats your reccomendatino for a leveling pet.. currently using a Boar and I seem to do okay with it. |
| 20:33.09 | sancus | I haven't logged into Test since yesterday :P |
| 20:33.20 | Kirkburn|Work | :) |
| 20:33.40 | Cairenn | I'm down to only 225 ahead of me in queue |
| 20:33.53 | Cairenn | only been a couple hours, not too bad /roll eyes |
| 20:33.56 | Kirkburn|Work | Cool. So weather screenshots, yeah? |
| 20:34.01 | Iriel | I tend to get attached to my pets, so I'm probably not a good one to ask if you're looking for any kind of stat maximizatoin.. I've got one of the lion ones (I forget the exact name) from the Barrens. |
| 20:34.11 | Iriel | I've had him since early on in the game |
| 20:34.15 | cladhaire | Nice =) |
| 20:34.18 | sancus | I'm done with Test until Monday when I can copy my real character on, there's nothing that interests me |
| 20:34.28 | sancus | plus, we have Ouro to work on |
| 20:34.30 | Cairenn | I've still got my snow leopard |
| 20:34.44 | Iriel | I remembered to at least get in queue on my other computer today so i'm not prevented from doing other things |
| 20:34.44 | cladhaire | I named by bear Satrina.. being a tank and all =) |
| 20:34.46 | Cairenn | had him since lvl 8 |
| 20:35.03 | Cairenn | that reminds me cladhaire, why is Sat done? :( |
| 20:35.11 | cladhaire | work mostly |
| 20:35.18 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 20:35.31 | cladhaire | march is a bad time for him.. so he took the oppoertunity to step away |
| 20:35.38 | cladhaire | his fans were somewhat.. rabid. |
| 20:35.41 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 20:36.00 | cladhaire | i'm stepping away from the raiding game sadly |
| 20:36.23 | cladhaire | so BM or marks for leveling? |
| 20:36.25 | sancus | raiding game is the only thing in WoW that doesn't suck :P |
| 20:36.36 | cladhaire | sancus: I agree.. i love it.. i just dont have the time. |
| 20:36.50 | cladhaire | we only raid 3-4 nights a week.. but i just have some stuff in my life that i need to work on |
| 20:36.50 | Iriel | I've always been a Marksmanship fan, but I dont think I've given BM a thorough analysis |
| 20:37.01 | cladhaire | i took Imp AoTH |
| 20:37.04 | Iriel | Largely because I was already way up there when the overhaup happened. |
| 20:37.13 | cladhaire | but i'm headed down marks now.. BM looks okay.. but i'm not overly wowed. |
| 20:37.29 | Iriel | I believe BM may come more into its own for some types of group and/or PvP work. |
| 20:37.42 | cladhaire | aye, and I only intend to solo on this char |
| 20:39.03 | sancus | We raid 5-6 nights a week these days |
| 20:39.45 | Kirkburn|Work | If id' is still around ... his WoWI avatar is the cutest I've ever seen :D |
| 20:41.37 | Osagasu | I'm Horde side as Osa if anyone wants to bug me |
| 20:42.39 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn (n=George@151.56.255.97) |
| 20:42.53 | Kirkburn | I do love the power failures |
| 20:43.25 | Kirkburn | This apartment can't cope will multi-tasking :s |
| 20:43.30 | Kirkburn | s/will/with/ |
| 20:43.50 | Iriel | Kirkburn: Time to get yourself a UPS unit |
| 20:44.30 | Kirkburn | How much do they cost? This is a latop so it's okay, I just lose the internets |
| 20:45.27 | Iriel | The costs vary greatly, but the basic models are very affordable these days. However, if you're not losing your machine, it's probably worth discovering whether the power failure takes out your communication line also. |
| 20:45.44 | Iriel | If your phone/cable line stays up, then I suspect a small UPS on your modem/router would be effective |
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| 20:52.10 | Kirkburn1 | Intruiging, I'm here 2 times already? |
| 20:52.21 | Kirkburn1 | Must be my evil clones |
| 20:54.41 | Kirkburn1 | Cairenn, you managed to get on? |
| 20:55.02 | Cairenn | yup, just finished getting through the queue now |
| 20:56.12 | Iriel | I'm at 4798 8-( |
| 20:57.58 | Cairenn | =/ |
| 20:58.13 | SP|Sorren | hmm, did slouken get rid of the G15 post? |
| 20:58.30 | Cairenn | which one? |
| 20:58.36 | SP|Sorren | in the 1.10 changes list |
| 20:58.44 | Iriel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=330776&p=1&tmp=1#post330776 |
| 20:58.48 | Iriel | Oh, that post. |
| 20:58.51 | Cairenn | yeah, seems to be gone |
| 20:59.09 | SP|Sorren | unfortunate |
| 20:59.27 | Iriel | I take it as a sign that the support didn't make it in. |
| 20:59.50 | SP|Sorren | thats okay, i can wait till 1.11 or whenever it'll get in ;o |
| 21:01.02 | Kirkburn1 | Oh, look, i've quit |
| 21:01.11 | SP|Sorren | quitter |
| 21:01.22 | Kirkburn1 | I shall quit again soon, don't you worry |
| 21:01.40 | SP|Sorren | man why does 1pm feel so early >< |
| 21:01.54 | Kirkburn1 | Cos it's actually10pm here? |
| 21:02.04 | SP|Sorren | you in europe? |
| 21:02.23 | Kirkburn1 | Yeah |
| 21:02.31 | SP|Sorren | ic |
| 21:04.46 | Kirkburn1 | :D |
| 21:05.01 | SP|Sorren | what a quitter, omigah ;) |
| 21:05.24 | Kirkburn | Interesting how they put in the ability to colour names of mods in the addons list (not that anyone's really noticed) |
| 21:05.52 | SP|Sorren | was there ever an inability to? |
| 21:06.05 | SP|Sorren | i've had some targetting mod that was colored for quite a while |
| 21:06.07 | Kirkburn | Well, no. |
| 21:06.11 | Iriel | What SP|Sorren said 8-) |
| 21:06.26 | Iriel | It's just a side-effect of them using standard UI elements to implement the AddOn list |
| 21:06.39 | Kirkburn | I see |
| 21:07.56 | wereHamster | yay.. I'm in the game :-)) !! |
| 21:08.36 | SP|Sorren | congrats :) |
| 21:08.50 | SP|Sorren | i dont think ill brave the test server queue today :/ |
| 21:09.38 | Kirkburn | I need to create a macro for this ... has anyone seen the WoW weather, and do they have any screenshots? |
| 21:10.01 | Iriel | I saw fog |
| 21:10.03 | Iriel | No screenshots |
| 21:10.05 | Iriel | sorry |
| 21:10.09 | Kirkburn | Where? |
| 21:10.15 | SP|Sorren | Kirkburn: i saw weather yesterday |
| 21:10.16 | Iriel | Elwynn Forest |
| 21:10.20 | SP|Sorren | i guess you were offline at the time |
| 21:10.23 | SP|Sorren | lemme convert a couple screens |
| 21:10.27 | Kirkburn | Just fog? If so, cool. I was hoping it would be varied |
| 21:10.34 | SP|Sorren | got rain ;o |
| 21:10.38 | Kirkburn | ooh |
| 21:10.39 | Iriel | Well, being weather, i'd imagine it varies slowly over time |
| 21:11.10 | Kirkburn | Er, yeah ... I think my comment came out wrong. I was glad there was also fog and it didn't just rain |
| 21:11.59 | Kirkburn | How about the clouds? |
| 21:12.06 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine (n=Guilloti@ns.motek-services.com) |
| 21:12.15 | Kirkburn | (I can't go on the test realm) |
| 21:12.28 | Iriel | Well, clouds have always been dynamic |
| 21:12.30 | Guillotine | so is the addon verification thing in yet? |
| 21:12.34 | Iriel | I dont know if they've changed, I've never been able to see them |
| 21:12.49 | Iriel | Guillotine : No change since 1.9 other than you can't override FrameXML |
| 21:12.56 | Guillotine | ok |
| 21:13.02 | Guillotine | still wondering what that things about... |
| 21:14.04 | Kirkburn | Aren't we all ... |
| 21:14.22 | SP|Sorren | curse you imagedump, and your 200000byte limit |
| 21:15.09 | Kirkburn | Photobucket? |
| 21:15.14 | Qzot | Iriel: I've been poking around PartyAims, and have reached a decision: I'm going to add simple command-line config atm, and try to create a very simple options configurator for 1.10 that should handle 80% of simple configuration very simply. Would the WoWI boards be a good place to post a straw man for the latter? |
| 21:15.25 | SP|Sorren | http://www.astraycat.us/images/rain.jpg |
| 21:15.51 | Kirkburn | That's pretty cool |
| 21:15.59 | Iriel | Qzot :I would think so, especially if you post a short description and link on the main forum |
| 21:16.09 | SP|Sorren | lemme convert a bit of fraps footage of it ;o it really is pretty ;P |
| 21:16.17 | Kirkburn | Sorren: the chat log is a nice touch ;) |
| 21:16.39 | Kirkburn | Yay |
| 21:16.41 | SP|Sorren | :) |
| 21:16.45 | Qzot | I'm thinking that the call to the Configurator would look something like... |
| 21:17.32 | Qzot | SimpleConfig:Configure(mySavedConfig, [[ ... multiline specifier ... ]]); |
| 21:17.37 | Kirkburn | Sorren: so it's evident Titan and Discord works in 1.10? |
| 21:17.41 | Iriel | Well, i'd make both specifiers be tables |
| 21:17.52 | Iriel | No sense using string representations for complex data when you have tables to use |
| 21:18.08 | Guillotine | holy crap big que |
| 21:18.10 | Qzot | The string reps can be much more dense and clear, imho. |
| 21:18.15 | Iriel | though I suppose you could create some serialization/deserialization if you happen to like strings |
| 21:18.39 | Qzot | A line might be something like: |
| 21:19.45 | Guillotine | wait- CTRA is disabled on the test realms. how did they disable it? name would be too simple to get around |
| 21:19.48 | Qzot | Hmm. Hard to come up with an obvious spec... |
| 21:19.58 | Kirkburn | Guillotine: needs some recoding |
| 21:20.13 | SP|Sorren | discord art works |
| 21:20.16 | SP|Sorren | duf works |
| 21:20.16 | Kirkburn | Anything that hooks movement stuff gets disabled |
| 21:20.23 | Guillotine | ahhh |
| 21:20.26 | SP|Sorren | titan is throwing bliizard ui only errors |
| 21:20.33 | SP|Sorren | ive just been ignoring them rather than disabling titan |
| 21:20.41 | SP|Sorren | if i could find what it was i'd tinker with it myself |
| 21:20.45 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 21:21.01 | SP|Sorren | the tooltip change breaks flexbar's buff events |
| 21:21.13 | Kirkburn | That's easily sorted, on either end |
| 21:21.24 | Qzot | enabled = CheckBox(name="Enabled") |
| 21:21.28 | SP|Sorren | im sure the flexbar people will fix it up, so i just commented out the parts that were throwing the error ;p |
| 21:21.46 | SP|Sorren | i cant get those silly eagles to dissapear though |
| 21:21.50 | Iriel | enabled = { type="CheckBox", name="enabled"} |
| 21:21.50 | SP|Sorren | they're not attached to the bottom bar anymore |
| 21:21.54 | Kirkburn | Well, afaik it's not supposed to be a problem just something that got broke Sorren |
| 21:21.59 | Kirkburn | They aren't? Weird |
| 21:22.03 | Qzot | Yeah, I'm coming to the same conclusion, Iriel. |
| 21:22.12 | wereHamster | WTF does WoW use Survey.dll for ? |
| 21:22.14 | Qzot | And it allows for optional filtering methods. |
| 21:22.27 | Iriel | As well as code-generated or code-mutated specifications |
| 21:22.36 | Qzot | Yup. Okay, you sold me. |
| 21:22.56 | Kirkburn | Sorren, can I link that screenshot on my guild forums? |
| 21:23.12 | wereHamster | I really hope this evil dll is gone in the final 1.10 release.. |
| 21:23.29 | Qzot | The members of the 2nd table would be one-for-one with the member variables they control. |
| 21:23.33 | SP|Sorren | bah, the rain is like fizzled out in the video |
| 21:23.34 | Kirkburn | Why do evil, wereHamster |
| 21:23.35 | SP|Sorren | after encoding |
| 21:23.39 | Kirkburn | s/do/so |
| 21:23.45 | Kirkburn | s/do/so/ |
| 21:23.49 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 21:24.13 | Kirkburn | Sorren : annoying! |
| 21:25.04 | Kirkburn | I love how all the people in the chat log are worried their warriors will fall over in the rain |
| 21:25.14 | Kirkburn | "Do we lose health?" |
| 21:25.32 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:25.51 | Iriel | I think players should have to carry umbrellas in the rain, or lose mana/rage |
| 21:25.55 | Iriel | (How can you be angry in the rain?) |
| 21:26.05 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/articles/12441/the-new-alliance-race-and-diablo-3--let-the-fun-begin.html |
| 21:26.08 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 21:26.33 | Qzot | Acid rain ftw. |
| 21:26.37 | Iriel | Cloth wearers take a movement speed hit after time, because they become waterlogged |
| 21:26.47 | Iriel | Metal armor wearers slowly lose durability due to rust |
| 21:26.50 | Qzot | They become squishy! |
| 21:26.55 | Iriel | Leather is okay. |
| 21:27.00 | SP|Sorren | lol |
| 21:27.04 | Qzot | Leather becomes subject to rot. |
| 21:27.05 | Iriel | Lightning attacks do more damage when it's raining, fire less |
| 21:27.07 | Kirkburn | In the snow, if you stay out too long, you get frostbite |
| 21:27.35 | Qzot | Unless your frost resistance is high enough. |
| 21:27.45 | Kirkburn | And sandstorms, half the time your eyes are shut |
| 21:28.22 | Kirkburn | I want floods next |
| 21:28.35 | Kirkburn | And snowdrifts so no-one can get out of IF |
| 21:28.59 | Kirkburn | Thunderstorms where random griffons get frazzled |
| 21:29.17 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:29.28 | Qzot | I want tornados that pick people up from one realm and carry them away from Kansas, complete with all their inventory, bank, mail items, everything in toto. |
| 21:29.33 | Kirkburn | Windy days where you can hardly contorl your movement, and if your try flying you end up in the wrong zone |
| 21:29.41 | Qzot | And drop them into another realm, and take their lag with them. |
| 21:29.46 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 21:30.16 | Qzot | Mud wrestling! I want mud wrestling! |
| 21:30.17 | Kirkburn | Boats that overturn when it's really coppy |
| 21:30.24 | Kirkburn | s/coppy/choppy/ |
| 21:30.43 | Qzot | Boats that disappear from time to time. |
| 21:30.47 | Kirkburn | Darnassus, land of the mud wrestling Night Elven women |
| 21:30.51 | Qzot | Ah, wait. They've already implemented that one. |
| 21:31.06 | Kirkburn | ... |
| 21:31.09 | Kirkburn | Predictable! :) |
| 21:31.10 | Qzot | I miss Captain Placeholder. *sigh* |
| 21:31.27 | Kirkburn | I reckon he should be back in the game, sitting in the Inn, bored solid |
| 21:31.32 | Qzot | Lol. |
| 21:31.36 | SP|Sorren | i miss ffxi blizzards |
| 21:31.40 | SP|Sorren | you could never tell where you were going |
| 21:31.42 | SP|Sorren | so much slow |
| 21:31.43 | SP|Sorren | er |
| 21:31.44 | SP|Sorren | snow |
| 21:31.58 | SP|Sorren | and +20% damage to ice spells was awesome |
| 21:32.04 | Qzot | Ironforge has so much slow you can't tell where you're going. |
| 21:32.09 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 21:32.09 | SP|Sorren | lol |
| 21:32.26 | Qzot | Oh. You change it to 'snow'. |
| 21:32.36 | Qzot | s/ge/ged |
| 21:32.53 | Kirkburn | huh? |
| 21:33.10 | Qzot | Oh. You changed it to 'snow'. |
| 21:33.50 | Qzot | ~8ball Will Blizzard place a mud wresting pit in Darnassus? |
| 21:33.54 | purl | Unsure. |
| 21:33.59 | Qzot | Bah. |
| 21:34.34 | SP|Sorren | ~8ball Will hunters get nerfed again in 1.11? |
| 21:34.36 | purl | I'm sure of it. |
| 21:34.38 | SP|Sorren | damn. |
| 21:34.48 | Qzot | That was easy. *I* could have told you that. |
| 21:34.55 | SP|Sorren | no wai |
| 21:35.30 | Qzot | ~8ball Will they ever have hunters and rogues lose rep in neutral cities for picking fights and then feigning/vanishing? |
| 21:35.31 | purl | Are you smoking crack? |
| 21:35.37 | Guillotine | rofl |
| 21:35.38 | Qzot | :( |
| 21:35.44 | SP|Sorren | lol |
| 21:35.46 | Guillotine | -8ball were priests nerfed this patch? |
| 21:35.57 | Guillotine | ~8ball were priests nerfed thsi patch? |
| 21:35.58 | purl | Please ask again. |
| 21:36.09 | SP|Sorren | purl is taunting you |
| 21:36.13 | Guillotine | it tells me to ask it again, then say I just said it |
| 21:36.16 | Guillotine | ~8ball were priests nerfed thsi patch? |
| 21:36.17 | purl | Negative. |
| 21:36.22 | Guillotine | WRONG |
| 21:36.26 | Shouryuu | ~botsnack |
| 21:36.26 | purl | thanks, Shouryuu |
| 21:36.30 | Shouryuu | you crazy person |
| 21:36.32 | SP|Sorren | no way, priests were megabuffed |
| 21:36.32 | Guillotine | that mind flay change is horrible |
| 21:36.34 | Kirkburn | ~8ball Will warlocks be able to solo Sargeras and get their Sargeras mini-pets? |
| 21:36.35 | purl | No. |
| 21:36.45 | Shouryuu | what changed? |
| 21:36.51 | Guillotine | now has a 1.5 second cooldown |
| 21:36.55 | Guillotine | undocumented |
| 21:36.57 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:37.00 | SP|Sorren | ~8ball will warlocks eventually be nerfed to their former suckiness? |
| 21:37.01 | purl | Unsure. |
| 21:37.04 | Qzot | ~8ball Would priests even have enough intelligence to know when their class is nerfed or not? |
| 21:37.06 | purl | Absolutely. |
| 21:37.11 | Qzot | Lies. |
| 21:37.15 | Kirkburn | Lies! |
| 21:37.29 | Cairenn | ~8ball Will Cairenn lay the smackdown if people keep spamming the bot? |
| 21:37.30 | purl | Absolutely. |
| 21:37.31 | SP|Sorren | mind flay always had a cooldown i thought |
| 21:37.39 | Kirkburn | Ooh, sneaky |
| 21:37.42 | Qzot | Lol, Cairenn! |
| 21:37.51 | SP|Sorren | hiya Cairenn |
| 21:37.56 | Cairenn | hi |
| 21:38.04 | Qzot | We'll get bored eventually. |
| 21:38.14 | Kirkburn | Just be glad we're not menitioning butterflies again. Oh, whoops. |
| 21:38.17 | Cairenn | you're bored now |
| 21:38.22 | Qzot | Lol. |
| 21:38.27 | Guillotine | we'll get bored of being bored |
| 21:38.52 | Cairenn | no, really, take my word for it, you're bored now :p |
| 21:39.03 | Qzot | Eventually, we'll know as much as Purl does, and then we'll stop questioning it. |
| 21:39.03 | Guillotine | yay! only 2 hours left in the que |
| 21:39.05 | Qzot | ~8ball Right? |
| 21:39.08 | purl | Absolutely. |
| 21:39.14 | Qzot | See? |
| 21:39.15 | SP|Sorren | lol |
| 21:39.20 | Codayus | Hmm, the tier 0.5 itemization is confusing the hell out of me. Those have got to be placeholder stats... oO |
| 21:39.24 | zeeg | ok anyways |
| 21:39.27 | zeeg | i cant remember who was asking |
| 21:39.29 | zeeg | http://fr.wowguru.com/patches/patch-1-10-0/spells.html |
| 21:39.31 | zeeg | thats the french listing |
| 21:39.35 | Kirkburn | zeeg, you spelt Draenei wrong btw :P |
| 21:39.42 | SP|Sorren | why Codayus? how couldyou deny +2% critical chance to pet attacks on hunter gloves? |
| 21:39.46 | zeeg | damnit |
| 21:40.02 | Qzot | ~8ball Is Cairenn really upset, or just teasing us? |
| 21:40.04 | purl | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 21:40.14 | SP|Sorren | ruh-roh |
| 21:40.18 | Kirkburn | : |
| 21:40.20 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 21:40.31 | zeeg | k there fixed |
| 21:40.42 | SP|Sorren | http://www.astraycat.us/rain2.wmv <--crappy rain footage |
| 21:40.46 | Codayus | SP|Sorren: I have no idea how to even begin rating that. The rogue and warrior gloves seem quite wrong though... |
| 21:40.49 | SP|Sorren | you cant see most of it :< |
| 21:40.58 | Qzot | Mmm. The Eliza for Ironforge spam starts to get more and more interesting. |
| 21:41.05 | SP|Sorren | you cant see the drops hitting the gorund and stuff :< |
| 21:41.19 | Cairenn | so, out of curiosity zeeg, why does it bother you so much that I know what the new alliance race is and you don't? |
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| 21:41.32 | zeeg | you're not allowed to Cairenn |
| 21:41.33 | Kirkburn | Sorren, anything must be better than what Blizz posted |
| 21:41.36 | zeeg | so if you do |
| 21:41.41 | zeeg | someone slipped up |
| 21:41.45 | Qzot | What did Blizz post? |
| 21:41.52 | zeeg | and if they slipped up on you, than you're not the only person who would know |
| 21:41.56 | SP|Sorren | ~8ball does Cairenn really know what the new alliance race is? |
| 21:42.02 | purl | Please ask again. |
| 21:42.02 | Kirkburn | Qzot : the weather vids |
| 21:42.05 | SP|Sorren | :< |
| 21:42.07 | Kirkburn | noooooo |
| 21:42.26 | Guillotine | Cair: just answer this. is the new alliance race the Ya RLY bird? |
| 21:42.27 | Kirkburn | I know, lets talk about chocolate |
| 21:42.34 | Cairenn | Guillotine: of course, duh |
| 21:42.37 | Kirkburn | MMM, CHOCOLATE |
| 21:42.48 | SP|Sorren | i stay away from chocolate |
| 21:42.49 | Guillotine | yay! slouken told the truth! |
| 21:42.53 | SP|Sorren | cuz i cant have just a little chocolate |
| 21:42.57 | Kirkburn | What kind of chocolate do you like Cairenn? |
| 21:43.00 | zeeg | Cairenn, and if you did know what it was, you wouldnt mention it, because you're not allowed to talk about it as you say |
| 21:43.00 | Shouryuu | Is dust damaging to DVDs? |
| 21:43.01 | SP|Sorren | i have to have a whole lot of chocolate when i have chocolate :/ |
| 21:43.04 | Shouryuu | the black kind |
| 21:43.10 | Cairenn | dark chocolate, mmmmmmmm |
| 21:43.11 | Qzot | I still say it's Dranei, and Blizz' comments after the flap were to obfuscate. |
| 21:43.13 | Kirkburn | Zeeg, she never mentioned it, we did |
| 21:43.21 | zeeg | Kirkburn, so you just assumed she knew? |
| 21:43.21 | SP|Sorren | its macguyver |
| 21:43.23 | Kirkburn | "Draenei" |
| 21:43.26 | SP|Sorren | havent you guys seen the ytmnd? |
| 21:43.26 | SP|Sorren | ;p |
| 21:43.41 | Cairenn | Mac ROCKS! |
| 21:43.50 | Qzot | Kirkburn: ty. I hate speling that word. |
| 21:43.53 | Cairenn | and that video is hilarious |
| 21:44.59 | Kirkburn | Sorren : thanks for the vid! |
| 21:45.05 | SP|Sorren | np |
| 21:45.09 | Kirkburn | Very atmospheric |
| 21:45.21 | SP|Sorren | stv like doesn't rain |
| 21:45.33 | Cairenn | really, I'm just curious why it bothers you so very much. not like you're getting "scooped" or anything, since everyone knows I won't reveal what I know |
| 21:45.33 | SP|Sorren | it only took ~15 minutes of camping out in tirisifal for it to rain ;p |
| 21:45.35 | Qzot | Lunch. BBl. |
| 21:45.47 | zeeg | DCC SEND "........" 6633 3 1 |
| 21:45.49 | zeeg | aw |
| 21:45.58 | Qzot | (Btw, if anyone uses mIRC, how do I show afk status without shutting down the app?) |
| 21:46.08 | SP|Sorren | ./afk |
| 21:46.10 | SP|Sorren | i imagine |
| 21:46.12 | Kirkburn | Doesn't it Sorren? http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f63/winnarps/WoWScrnShot_030406_121542.jpg |
| 21:46.17 | SP|Sorren | or ./away |
| 21:46.25 | SP|Sorren | it does |
| 21:46.27 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.32 | SP|Sorren | but i was there for ~hour or so |
| 21:46.45 | Kirkburn | ah |
| 21:46.51 | Qzot|Lunch | ty |
| 21:47.00 | Kirkburn | Well, /join theweatherchannel |
| 21:47.09 | SP|Sorren | well i have no flight points |
| 21:47.16 | Kirkburn | Neither do lotsa |
| 21:47.16 | Iriel | I'm hoping the weather is relatively 'nice' -- rain and stuff is cool, but not ALL the time |
| 21:47.20 | SP|Sorren | and a hordie tirisifal and stv are the only easy place ot get to :P |
| 21:47.23 | Iriel | I have ALL of the flight points |
| 21:47.33 | Iriel | Though the flight map is different, so you might not realize it |
| 21:47.35 | Kirkburn | Iriel : reports I've seen, it's not that frequent |
| 21:47.36 | SP|Sorren | on the test server? |
| 21:47.40 | Iriel | Yes |
| 21:47.43 | SP|Sorren | its infrequent ;o |
| 21:47.50 | Kirkburn | Flight map stuff is totally changed |
| 21:47.53 | Iriel | Lots of dots, but the new map has no lines unless you mouse over it |
| 21:48.01 | Iriel | then it draws the route you'd take to get to where you're pointing |
| 21:48.02 | Kirkburn | And the flights past IF don't go inside! |
| 21:48.06 | SP|Sorren | ooo |
| 21:48.07 | sancus | lots of horde chars got no flight points |
| 21:48.08 | SP|Sorren | thats neat |
| 21:48.12 | sancus | maybe all of them |
| 21:48.15 | sancus | my mage definitely had none :P |
| 21:48.19 | Kirkburn | Seems to the cheapest route atm |
| 21:48.21 | SP|Sorren | my hhunter had none ;p |
| 21:48.22 | Iriel | I'm Arogue, so maybe you're right. |
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| 21:48.35 | Kirkburn | I'm hoping that they stick in a option for cheapest/fastest |
| 21:49.04 | Kirkburn | Since who wants to go Feralas --> Org via Gadgetzan |
| 21:49.19 | SP|Sorren | its the scenic route. |
| 21:49.45 | Iriel | I would imagine they'll go cheapest |
| 21:49.54 | Kirkburn | It's currently on cheapest! |
| 21:49.55 | Iriel | But who knows |
| 21:49.57 | SP|Sorren | i hope its the fastest lol |
| 21:50.37 | Kirkburn | That example I gave it what it currently does |
| 21:50.56 | Kirkburn | Wonder what Teldrassil --> Silithus is like |
| 21:51.16 | sancus | yeah alliance have them |
| 21:51.28 | sancus | its easy to tell that horde doesnt when you go up to the flight guy and he says you have no connecting points |
| 21:51.30 | Kirkburn | Depends on the char ... some do some don't, but horde are worst off |
| 21:52.03 | sancus | not that it matters really, all I wanted to do was check my trinket macros then I ended up helping fix clearfont and thats enough for me :p |
| 21:52.11 | sancus | don't care about the tier 0.5 stuff |
| 21:55.14 | Kirkburn | ClearFont ftw |
| 21:56.38 | Krirken | does SpellStopCasting() work to chain spells in 1.10? |
| 21:56.47 | Iriel | Yes |
| 21:56.56 | Iriel | Or at least, As far as I know, yes |
| 21:57.19 | Kirkburn | Yes |
| 21:57.26 | Kirkburn | Also afaik |
| 21:58.30 | Kirkburn | I'm very VERY confused. My browser is sitting open on: http://www.tabulas.com/~lenachan/friends.html |
| 21:59.03 | sancus | yes it does |
| 21:59.07 | sancus | I tested it to make sure it still worked |
| 21:59.22 | sancus | I would be very, very unhappy if it didn't |
| 21:59.37 | Kirkburn | Plus Blizz have given approval to it |
| 21:59.57 | Kirkburn | They pretty much say 'do it' |
| 22:01.33 | sancus | yes, it's only necessary because of the funky way the client works |
| 22:02.10 | sancus | It's also useful to preface ice block and counterspell with so I can slap them off even if I'm in the middle of casting without having to explicitly break it |
| 22:04.27 | Iriel | http://www.iriel.org/wow/addondev/embedlibrary1.html |
| 22:04.33 | Iriel | Did I miss anything in the goals list there? |
| 22:08.50 | Kirkburn | Didn't know Robin Williams played WoW ... |
| 22:09.14 | Kirkburn | (not that that was relevant) |
| 22:12.28 | Kirkburn | Any Cosmosians around? |
| 22:14.47 | Kirkburn | This is strange ... who can see cosmosui.org and who can't? |
| 22:14.59 | Iriel | I can see it |
| 22:15.04 | Kirkburn | What browser? |
| 22:15.12 | Cairenn | I can see it - FF |
| 22:15.18 | Iriel | mozilla |
| 22:15.39 | Kirkburn | Can either of you try IE? |
| 22:15.46 | Kirkburn | (Works on FF here too) |
| 22:16.10 | Cairenn | yup, can see it in IE |
| 22:16.29 | Cairenn | aaaactually .... |
| 22:16.35 | Kirkburn | Only the title bar? |
| 22:16.42 | Cairenn | the background and header show, and that's it |
| 22:17.03 | Kirkburn | Strangeness. It's also posted that it doesn't work in Safari |
| 22:17.55 | Cairenn | copied this info over to the Cosmos channel |
| 22:18.10 | Kirkburn | There's a cosmos channel? |
| 22:18.21 | Cairenn | yup |
| 22:18.32 | Kirkburn | What's the name? |
| 22:18.57 | Cairenn | irc.datavertex.com, #cosmostesters |
| 22:19.24 | Cairenn | it's on the webpage :p |
| 22:19.44 | Kirkburn | I trust you more? |
| 22:19.57 | Cairenn | riiiight |
| 22:20.24 | Kirkburn | Hey at least your website works ;) |
| 22:20.54 | Cairenn | :) |
| 22:21.07 | Kirkburn | Snazzy new Cosmos patcher's been released |
| 22:21.52 | Kirkburn | It's slightly silly in that it downloads the previous version when updating tho |
| 22:21.57 | zeeg | Kirkburn, what do yout hink of this |
| 22:22.16 | Kirkburn | Who what where? The patcher? |
| 22:22.19 | zeeg | www.wowguru.com/wgdc.jpg |
| 22:22.43 | zeeg | its gonna hide in the taskbar and basically wait for updates |
| 22:22.51 | zeeg | and itll show baloon tooltips for new articles and whatnot |
| 22:23.01 | Kirkburn | Pretty cool |
| 22:23.05 | zeeg | itll be 100% automatic and silent for updating mods;/submitting data |
| 22:23.31 | Kirkburn | Does it know when you're playing tho? |
| 22:23.46 | zeeg | ya thats the plan |
| 22:23.53 | Kirkburn | Even better |
| 22:23.56 | zeeg | when wow is closed itll do the updates |
| 22:24.14 | Kirkburn | It is a good idea |
| 22:24.30 | Kirkburn | Now we just need a WoWI and CG one :P |
| 22:25.20 | Kirkburn | ... and then the world will exploderate |
| 22:25.37 | namxo | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4296 |
| 22:25.40 | Iriel | What we REALLY need is a common one which can point at whichever sites are out there |
| 22:25.45 | namxo | this is broke with 1.10 right ? |
| 22:25.59 | Kirkburn | Is it? |
| 22:26.08 | namxo | "is it" yes sorry |
| 22:26.17 | Kirkburn | Iriel : yes, avoiding the exploderation would be good |
| 22:26.30 | Cairenn | Iriel: try to get the other sites to agree to it, lord knows we've offered to work together with them on one |
| 22:26.43 | Cairenn | just like we've got the forum and this channel, that they are all welcome to join |
| 22:27.19 | Iriel | Well, the problem with an updater is ad revenue (or the lack thereof) |
| 22:27.36 | Kirkburn | The worldofwar one has an ad in |
| 22:27.37 | Iriel | I suspect everyones afraid that all the users will READ the other sites but download the addons from theirs |
| 22:28.00 | Kirkburn | It's a conundrum |
| 22:28.20 | namxo | i don't like updater :( |
| 22:28.25 | Kirkburn | Esp given that the sites aren't all equal |
| 22:28.27 | namxo | i like get each addon, see the change, etc |
| 22:28.34 | sancus | nobody who knows what they're doing would ever use an updater |
| 22:28.43 | sancus | its for the people who have trouble with the concept of zip files |
| 22:28.46 | Iriel | I'd use one if it was easy and well made |
| 22:29.22 | Kirkburn | Problem is, there's no 'standard' way of submitting addons |
| 22:29.45 | Kirkburn | Different zip layouts, no support for file overriders |
| 22:29.55 | Iriel | Well, different zip layouts is trivial |
| 22:30.08 | Kirkburn | Okay, different compressing formats |
| 22:30.28 | Iriel | File overrides are a bit different, though they're not really addons in the same sense, since there's no "packaging format" and possible conflict/versioning issues |
| 22:30.48 | Kirkburn | And of course, how do u flag a beta? :) |
| 22:31.03 | Iriel | That's a metadata issue |
| 22:31.23 | Iriel | One would imagine a standard tool has standard metadata |
| 22:31.28 | Kirkburn | There would need to be a consensus on that one ... |
| 22:31.37 | Kirkburn | I'd love it if it could happen |
| 22:32.04 | Kirkburn | Perhaps now that the ui is becoming much more mature, it may be possible |
| 22:34.08 | Iriel | I'd be willing to bet blizzard beats 'the community' to it |
| 22:34.14 | Iriel | if anyone ever does it |
| 22:34.25 | Iriel | though if blizzard does it, they'll just set standards we HAVE to follow |
| 22:34.41 | Iriel | And there will be NO support for file overrides |
| 22:34.42 | Kirkburn | Indeed, cos they'll have to start doing some kind of support |
| 22:37.09 | Kirkburn | Ooh, cool, no more nopatch files! |
| 22:37.27 | Kirkburn | (I think) |
| 22:37.33 | Iriel | One woul dhope not |
| 22:37.39 | Iriel | We've given them enough grief about those |
| 22:38.05 | Kirkburn | The new patcher certainly is impressive |
| 22:38.59 | Kirkburn | Even if it does flag itself as out of date :) |
| 22:39.56 | Guillotine | only 1.5 hours until I get into test server :D yippy! |
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| 22:41.42 | Kirkburn | Hello again? |
| 22:41.58 | Guillotine_ | wtf. http://img320.imageshack.us/my.php?image=druid1lf.jpg looks like a multi-colored start-troop costume from Star Wars |
| 22:44.00 | Kirkburn | AQ gear? |
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| 22:46.59 | Shouryuu | wow |
| 22:47.01 | Shouryuu | 9 60's |
| 22:47.36 | Kirkburn | ... I think it's fake |
| 22:48.03 | Kirkburn | I don't recall the Drago server |
| 22:48.34 | Kirkburn | (or private) |
| 22:49.53 | Guillotine_ | I'm guessing its private |
| 22:49.57 | [MoonWolf] | drago also does not sound correct for the blizzard server names |
| 22:50.04 | [MoonWolf] | there is no drago in the lore |
| 22:50.07 | [MoonWolf] | of any kind. |
| 22:50.13 | Guillotine | it certainly isn't a US blizzard server |
| 22:50.25 | Kirkburn | Blooming private server people |
| 22:50.40 | Guillotine | while the levels may be fake, the models are real |
| 22:50.46 | Guillotine | and the druid one sucks |
| 22:50.52 | Guillotine | or rules. depending on how you look at it |
| 22:50.58 | [MoonWolf] | yeah, i really really really hope thsoe get redone majorly |
| 22:51.01 | Kirkburn | The AQ armor sets are not finished |
| 22:51.05 | Guillotine | yay! |
| 22:51.13 | Kirkburn | Most of them are identical but recoloured |
| 22:51.21 | Kirkburn | So don't you worry! |
| 22:51.25 | Shouryuu | haha http://www.myextralife.com/archive.php?date=2001-11-29 |
| 22:51.39 | Guillotine | haha shouryuu |
| 22:51.47 | Shouryuu | rubic's cube rocks! |
| 22:55.08 | Kirkburn | Hmm, maybe this isn't the place to ask, but I wonder if the cosmos people ahve asked permission to use that the icon ... |
| 22:55.26 | [MoonWolf] | what icon ? |
| 22:55.35 | Gryphen | lol |
| 22:55.48 | Kirkburn | Icon for the new patcher ... it's from an icon set on Wincustomize |
| 22:55.54 | [MoonWolf] | aha |
| 22:56.03 | [MoonWolf] | go out on a limb and ask AnduinLothar |
| 22:57.01 | Kirkburn | If I joined the cosmos channel and said it, it wouldn't be the greatest way to start a dialogue :P |
| 22:57.12 | [MoonWolf] | not really |
| 22:57.37 | Gryphen | probably didnt ask to use homers head on the old one either |
| 22:57.47 | Kirkburn | That is true |
| 22:58.46 | Kirkburn | Found it, it's from multiMINIMALv2 |
| 23:01.17 | Shouryuu | night people |
| 23:02.49 | Kirkburn | multiMINIMAL: http://www.multivitamin-graphics.de/galleries/multiminimal.html |
| 23:04.30 | Gryphen | devientart page says cant be used for commercial use without notice |
| 23:04.58 | Gryphen | and are they different enough from the originials that he can claim them? |
| 23:05.33 | Kirkburn | It just has Cosmos overlaid on it |
| 23:05.48 | Kirkburn | Cosmos isn't exactly commerical |
| 23:06.00 | Kirkburn | s/cal/cial/ |
| 23:06.12 | Kirkburn | bah humbug |
| 23:06.31 | Kirkburn | It should mention where it came from however |
| 23:06.46 | Kirkburn | If I recognised it immediately - not a good sign |
| 23:06.51 | Gryphen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.11 | Gryphen | just asking, i dont know when ownership takes place |
| 23:07.11 | Kirkburn | The multivitamin version is totally different however |
| 23:07.38 | Gryphen | i doubt you could use it commercially without interferance from blizzard |
| 23:08.09 | Kirkburn | I think it is sufficiently different as to not be infringing copyright |
| 23:08.39 | Kirkburn | If making icons was not allowed, I think someone might have noticed :P |
| 23:08.55 | Gryphen | just asking |
| 23:09.24 | Kirkburn | It's a good point ... |
| 23:09.36 | Gryphen | doubt another popular game title could come out using that icon and not have blizzard in their face |
| 23:09.51 | Kirkburn | Anyway, I would just suggest to any cosmos people around that they include a reference to the original icon maker |
| 23:09.59 | Kirkburn | Oh definately Gryphen |
| 23:10.28 | Gryphen | so my point is, does the icon author then hold any rights? |
| 23:10.54 | Kirkburn | Blizzard would hold the rights for their icon, multivitamin holds the rights to his (different) icon |
| 23:11.57 | Kirkburn | In order to infringe Blizzards copyright he would have to copy detail from their icon wholesale |
| 23:13.22 | Iriel | In reality, it all depends on how good your lawyer's are, who gives a damn, and what judge you'd get. |
| 23:13.41 | Iriel | And very little else. |
| 23:14.03 | [MoonWolf] | truth |
| 23:14.34 | Kirkburn | I've made a non-threatening post on the cosmos forums :P |
| 23:14.36 | Gryphen | i made mention about it in the cosmos team forum |
| 23:14.42 | Kirkburn | ... |
| 23:14.55 | Kirkburn | wunderbar! |
| 23:15.21 | Kirkburn | Hey, your name is spelt differently there |
| 23:15.34 | Gryphen | its spelt differently here |
| 23:15.35 | Gryphen | :D |
| 23:15.48 | Gryphen | gryphon is registered on freenode by someone else |
| 23:16.39 | Kirkburn | Ooh, you're a web designer |
| 23:17.11 | Gryphen | ya |
| 23:17.21 | Kirkburn | The links on the site go all freaky in ff |
| 23:17.28 | Kirkburn | (left bar) |
| 23:17.50 | Kirkburn | Meanwhile in MS land, it shows up in Courier |
| 23:18.08 | Gryphen | ah yeah |
| 23:18.32 | [MoonWolf] | CSS problem ? |
| 23:18.33 | Gryphen | im not much of a validated html guy lol |
| 23:18.36 | Gryphen | probably |
| 23:18.40 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 23:18.57 | Kirkburn | However, the sites are damn cool |
| 23:19.01 | Gryphen | dont think i actually ever looked at that site in ff |
| 23:19.09 | Gryphen | most i do compare between to make sure they work |
| 23:19.14 | Codayus | As others have mostly covered - if the icon is a modification of someone else's copyrighted work, then it's fine so long as the modification are not "trivial". Deciding whether the modifications are "trivial" is up to the judge. Since he is almost certainly not an expert, it generally comes down to a mental coin flip except in the most stunningly obvious cases. |
| 23:19.43 | Gryphen | thanks kirk |
| 23:19.47 | Kirkburn | np |
| 23:20.29 | Kirkburn | Codayus : indeed |
| 23:20.49 | Kirkburn | And now I know which guild you're in Gryphon |
| 23:21.00 | Gryphen | :) |
| 23:21.10 | Kirkburn | I like the way the links 'fizzle' in |
| 23:22.28 | Codayus | Those sorts of cases are retarded, because there's no predictability. Get an IP lawyer drunk and you'll hear dozens of stories of egregiously stupid decisions. |
| 23:22.59 | Codayus | In one of the landmark cases in US law (over those little troll dolls with pink hair) the judge basically set a bunch of dolls down on his desk, and decided the ears on some of them, while obviously a different profile, wearn't *quite* different enough. Presto, millions in damages! oO |
| 23:23.12 | Codayus | </rant> |
| 23:23.38 | Kirkburn | gawd |
| 23:24.29 | Codayus | On a completely different note - someone linked to a multiminimal icon set above - dude, those are kickass icons. Hadn't seen them before. :-) |
| 23:24.56 | Kirkburn | Ah, you haven't seen the best set |
| 23:25.11 | Kirkburn | (and agreed!) |
| 23:25.46 | Kirkburn | THIS is an icon set: http://www.wincustomize.com/ViewSkin.aspx?SID=1&SkinID=1289&LibID=2 |
| 23:26.15 | Kirkburn | (nearly 250 icons in it, too) |
| 23:27.22 | Codayus | Meh, I like multiminimal better. <shrug> |
| 23:27.27 | Kirkburn | Recently decided to buy Stardock Object Desktop - one of the best purchases I've ever made |
| 23:27.29 | Codayus | Couldn't quite say why... |
| 23:27.37 | Codayus | I keep meaning to grab that. |
| 23:27.48 | Kirkburn | mM is funkyer I'll give u that |
| 23:27.50 | Codayus | I've played with the trial versions a bit, and it's good. |
| 23:28.09 | Kirkburn | Windowblinds v5 is soo nice |
| 23:28.32 | Kirkburn | And the frequent beta updates is pretty good |
| 23:28.38 | Guillotine | windowsblinds? |
| 23:28.42 | Guillotine | ive heard of that somewhere |
| 23:28.54 | Kirkburn | I'll give u a link |
| 23:29.26 | Kirkburn | Example of what it can do: http://www.wincustomize.com/ViewSkin.aspx?SID=1&SkinID=1289&LibID=2 |
| 23:29.57 | Gryphen | last time i used shell mods they were slow and bloated |
| 23:30.04 | Kirkburn | Doesn't show it well in the shots, but it's transparent |
| 23:30.08 | Gryphen | its been a while since i used one |
| 23:30.11 | Gryphen | have they improved? |
| 23:30.13 | Guillotine | interesting |
| 23:30.17 | Kirkburn | Windowblinds is made by the people who made the XP interface |
| 23:30.30 | Kirkburn | And yeah, it actually is faster than the normal gui |
| 23:30.31 | [MoonWolf] | install bblean, never look back. |
| 23:31.00 | Guillotine | whats the advantage to purchasing it? or does it have to be purchased? |
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| 23:31.43 | Kirkburn | Yeah ... $50 gets you Windowblinds, Object Desktop, WindowFX, Iconpackagers, about 10 more programs and any and all updates that occur for a year |
| 23:32.33 | Kirkburn | You get a hell of a lot more use out of it than a game (except WoW of course) |
| 23:32.52 | Kirkburn | And everyone keeps asking whether you have a Apple |
| 23:33.23 | Tain | my experience with the Windowblinds suite is that it is noticiably slower than the default XP GUI. |
| 23:33.26 | Kirkburn | "ooh, that looks expensive" ... "er, yeah, I paid thousands ..." |
| 23:33.28 | Tain | A lot. |
| 23:33.36 | Kirkburn | Windowblinds v4 and v5 totally changed it |
| 23:33.58 | Kirkburn | In the test that were done, if you ran the normal windows style through it, it was faster |
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| 23:34.11 | Tain | v4.something was the last I tried, and I removed it. |
| 23:34.20 | Kirkburn | (independent tests I might add) |
| 23:34.21 | Tain | I'm not saying it's not pretty. |
| 23:34.38 | Tain | But on my system the UI became sorta sluggish. |
| 23:35.08 | Kirkburn | Surprising ... and this version was obtained how? ;) |
| 23:35.13 | Tain | But I guess I shouldn't talk about old versions if there's much newer. |
| 23:35.45 | Kirkburn | It can depend on the skin you use |
| 23:35.57 | Tain | Anyway, time to shut down and move computerstuff. |
| 23:36.17 | Kirkburn | (btw the one I linked earlier, I'm using atm) |
| 23:36.30 | Kirkburn | I should be off too |
| 23:37.22 | Kirkburn | Have a wonderful rest-of-day you Americas people ..... oh, er, and ClearFont ftw! |
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