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| 15:33.35 | CTLAdvance | hey templarian |
| 15:39.11 | CTLAdvance | I saw your new heli |
| 15:39.20 | Templarian | CTLAdvance: Yep. |
| 15:40.09 | Templarian | (just got back from a meeting so slow response there) |
| 15:40.29 | Templarian | It has 2 day shipping so hopefully it will be here by Saturday. |
| 15:40.41 | CTLAdvance | np - Thanks for the site as well, I may order one just to play with my son... he would think thats cool |
| 15:40.57 | CTLAdvance | Did you see the black one is only 22 bucks? |
| 15:41.15 | Templarian | Yea, watch the videos though there is a reason. |
| 15:41.37 | CTLAdvance | I didnt see much different |
| 15:41.41 | Templarian | I got the 40 dollar one which was 48.80 after taxes and shipping. Nice deal since it has a gyro sensor. |
| 15:41.44 | CTLAdvance | does the one you ordered have more tork |
| 15:41.54 | CTLAdvance | Ah yes the gyro |
| 15:41.57 | Templarian | It has a gyro sensor so it auto trims. |
| 15:42.05 | CTLAdvance | Yep makes it more stable |
| 15:42.13 | CTLAdvance | thats why the black one has the dial |
| 15:42.39 | Templarian | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMsZ91K8ip4 |
| 15:45.27 | CTLAdvance | mm I want to hang a dog treat off of one |
| 15:45.30 | CTLAdvance | :) |
| 15:45.42 | CTLAdvance | or a ~botsnack |
| 15:45.42 | Templarian | I'm using mind to play with my bro's new kitten that he's getting |
| 15:45.48 | CTLAdvance | nice |
| 15:47.02 | Templarian | He doesn't get it till christmas so I'll have practice time. |
| 15:47.09 | Templarian | Small string should work. |
| 15:47.26 | Templarian | A dog treat would be like watching jaws attack a helicopter. |
| 15:47.32 | CTLAdvance | yeah |
| 15:47.45 | CTLAdvance | Thats why I am thinking the 20 dollar one incase I bust it up |
| 15:48.29 | Templarian | Just get crazy glue. I had a toy helicopter that was 20% crazy glue. But it was an outdoor one. |
| 15:48.39 | CTLAdvance | We have a beagal that thinks he is still a puppy, it would be hilarious, and then my son would laugh his ass off at the dog |
| 15:49.14 | Templarian | For the price it would be worth it. |
| 15:49.28 | CTLAdvance | yeah |
| 15:49.33 | Templarian | (that one I bought is already 10 dollars cheaper than everywhere else online) |
| 15:49.56 | CTLAdvance | Yeah - The funny thing is its cheaper than store baught ones as well |
| 15:50.16 | CTLAdvance | like 100 cheaper for a comprable model |
| 15:50.52 | Templarian | My bro is like you are going to tramatise the little kitten. His friends told him to shoot it out of the air (my bro has a military training P90) |
| 15:51.18 | Templarian | Yep. The one with the dual fans looks pretty nice also. |
| 15:51.22 | Templarian | (30 dollars) |
| 15:52.23 | Templarian | I was looking at another one for 100 dollars it has 4 blades and 3 gyro sensors it can sit in the air with exact precision, looked to take the fun out of it a bit too much though. |
| 15:56.13 | CTLAdvance | yeah |
| 15:56.27 | CTLAdvance | did you see the apache they have for 100, that shoots pellets |
| 16:00.21 | Templarian | Yea that's dumb it's really weak. Someone put a full airsoft gun on a gas powered one, it was pretty slick. |
| 16:01.17 | Templarian | I wish my bro was better at eletrical engineering I wanted him to make a 8 engine aircraft that uses 4 engines for sustained flight and the other 4 to lift objects (like his kitten). |
| 16:01.58 | CTLAdvance | HAH |
| 16:02.31 | CTLAdvance | That wouldnt be that hard, except for making everything work right together, also better add a parachute to kitty incase he needs to be ejected |
| 16:03.04 | CTLAdvance | brb |
| 16:03.11 | Templarian | It would be jarrasic park style. |
| 16:10.13 | CTLAdvance | They also have a flying FUCK |
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| 17:13.48 | gkatsev | ~lol |
| 17:13.49 | infobot | lol is probably stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 17:18.57 | sugardave | ~netsplit |
| 17:18.58 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, netsplit is something that happens when two IRC servers lose their link, thus isolating the users on every side from each other. a normal part of ALL irc networks, despite what some people bitching about larger networks may seem to think, or an orchestra of poips and thwoops, or something which occurs frequently on OPN |
| 17:19.19 | sugardave | the more you know... |
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| 18:00.39 | Templarian | So my grandma's staying at my parents place till she feels better. She's on oxycotton right now so she sound stoned. |
| 18:04.30 | Templarian | Also creepy. Background facebook poke for overy 2 years and going. Facebook Suggestions: Reconnect with friends and it's that person. |
| 18:13.53 | Eguy | is angry with sprint |
| 18:14.03 | Eguy | pre does not ring at all |
| 18:14.06 | Eguy | at home |
| 18:14.15 | Eguy | airave is broken |
| 18:14.26 | Eguy | replacements are backordered for 2 weeks |
| 18:14.32 | Eguy | roam only patch not working |
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| 18:16.12 | Eguy | bah humbug |
| 18:17.59 | CTLAdvance-webos | Howdy |
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| 18:18.47 | Templarian | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYwODKQfzMw |
| 18:19.11 | Eguy | The pre also has the Core i7 of cpu's why the hell is it so slow |
| 18:19.15 | Templarian | sorry just thought of that when you said "howdy" |
| 18:19.30 | Eguy | +1 Templarian |
| 18:19.44 | Templarian | Eguy: You've said it yourself a thousand times it's because there is no GPU usage. |
| 18:20.09 | Eguy | I still am not convinced |
| 18:20.48 | CTLAdvance-webos | Ts slow because the cpu is under used at the moment |
| 18:22.01 | CTLAdvance-webos | Also any unsupported patches and tweaks cause great lsowness after time |
| 18:22.18 | CTLAdvance-webos | As well as services |
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| 18:28.33 | Eguy | It's slower than 1995 phones out of the box |
| 18:28.51 | Eguy | It needs help before the rest walk all over palm |
| 18:30.18 | CTLAdvance-webos | I have no issues when there are no patches or add services on it |
| 18:30.34 | CTLAdvance-webos | Have you doctored yet? |
| 18:31.03 | Templarian | My device is perfectly fine I don't use patches though. |
| 18:31.24 | gkatsev | i use patches. patches make the phone even awesomer |
| 18:31.26 | Eguy | Palm is the black knight from monty python |
| 18:31.34 | Eguy | Templarian: you don't use patches |
| 18:31.35 | Eguy | ? |
| 18:31.44 | CTLAdvance-webos | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.19 | Templarian | Nope. None. |
| 18:32.20 | Eguy | Surprising |
| 18:32.20 | Eguy | I took you for a patcher |
| 18:32.20 | CTLAdvance-webos | I usually don't either |
| 18:32.20 | Templarian | Nah, my friends though go patch crazy with their Pre's. |
| 18:32.57 | CTLAdvance-webos | I find package manager slows it the most for some reason and not sure why |
| 18:33.00 | Eguy | launch contacts on a treo 650 and launch contacts on the pre and tell me again the pre is quick |
| 18:33.18 | Eguy | It just isn't |
| 18:33.48 | Templarian | I had the but where the pre got stuck in a loop and drained my battery in an hour and toasted my leg. |
| 18:33.55 | Templarian | bug** |
| 18:34.03 | gkatsev | lol |
| 18:34.09 | CTLAdvance-webos | We have the same issue with our ubuntu machines... I have almost converted all back to windows now |
| 18:35.13 | Eguy | whoever did the 1.3.1 roamonly patch fucked up monumentally |
| 18:39.17 | CTLAdvance-webos | This would have been built using a windows ce core |
| 18:39.40 | CTLAdvance-webos | This would have been better is windows ce core was used. |
| 18:39.57 | Eguy | CTLAdvance-webos: I hope you don't tkae offense to and mind me calling you greedy |
| 18:40.19 | CTLAdvance-webos | Nope but might I ask why? |
| 18:40.36 | Eguy | Charging for an ad-supported app? |
| 18:40.51 | CTLAdvance-webos | To be honest I am very happy with the device |
| 18:40.52 | CTLAdvance-webos | Where |
| 18:40.57 | Mousey | Eguy: he's a windows guy, you sound so surprised. =) |
| 18:41.02 | gkatsev | Eguy: what? |
| 18:41.08 | CTLAdvance-webos | Nothing should have a charge if its app supported |
| 18:41.14 | CTLAdvance-webos | What's the app |
| 18:41.19 | gkatsev | *ad |
| 18:41.30 | Eguy | One of your sound apps |
| 18:41.58 | CTLAdvance-webos | None of them should have a charge and be ad supported, do you know which? |
| 18:42.27 | Eguy | All the ones in the catalog cost money... |
| 18:43.03 | CTLAdvance-webos | Ok let me look they should be free if ad supported |
| 18:43.25 | gkatsev | or not ad supported, lol |
| 18:43.45 | CTLAdvance-webos | And just because I am a windows guy doesn't make me greedy mousy |
| 18:44.11 | Mousey | sure thing there buddy. ;) |
| 18:44.32 | Mousey | is just being trite |
| 18:44.47 | Eguy | lol |
| 18:44.49 | Eguy | fight on |
| 18:44.56 | Eguy | great |
| 18:44.57 | CTLAdvance-webos | Hah ugh I guess I am fighting a losing battle when most of you are open source supporters |
| 18:45.07 | Mousey | why do you hate freedom? |
| 18:45.11 | CTLAdvance-webos | Oy |
| 18:45.11 | Mousey | ducks! |
| 18:45.21 | Eguy | roam only patch borks prefs page |
| 18:45.25 | CTLAdvance-webos | swing and a miss |
| 18:45.48 | Mousey | it's ok. i'm used to being treated like a second-class citizen |
| 18:46.02 | Eguy | Mac user? |
| 18:46.28 | Mousey | lol, no way, i have standards |
| 18:46.37 | Mousey | OPEN standards |
| 18:46.39 | CTLAdvance-webos | Hah |
| 18:46.42 | Mousey | slaps knee |
| 18:46.50 | Eguy | well you would treated like a second class citizen if you were a mac user |
| 18:46.52 | gkatsev | CTLAdvance-webos: i use windows as well. |
| 18:46.58 | Eguy | having to pay for service packs |
| 18:47.10 | Eguy | I'm sorry |
| 18:47.14 | Eguy | OS upgrades |
| 18:47.24 | Mousey | Eguy: i didn't realize slaves counted as citizens! good for them! |
| 18:47.32 | Eguy | Touche |
| 18:47.40 | Eguy | bows |
| 18:48.29 | Mousey | i might have to sit in the back of the bus, but at least i'm not restricted to only ONE BRAND of bus |
| 18:49.56 | Templarian | (windows makes a better server nuff said, *runs away*) |
| 18:50.00 | CTLAdvance-webos | One thing pc and linux users get is cheaper machines compared to apple |
| 18:50.12 | Mousey | s/pc/windows/ |
| 18:50.25 | Eguy | jesus christ |
| 18:50.27 | Templarian | The idea of using OS X for a server sounds like a horrible idea. |
| 18:50.30 | Eguy | who let this patch release |
| 18:50.31 | Mousey | it's such a bad word, people have to use an inappropriate acronym to refer to it? |
| 18:50.32 | CTLAdvance-webos | Templarian - our windows servers are rarely down |
| 18:50.47 | Templarian | CTLAdvance-webos: we use windows servers also. |
| 18:50.47 | Eguy | OS X server actually is not bad |
| 18:50.55 | Eguy | I have one |
| 18:51.07 | gkatsev | ~lart Templarian |
| 18:51.07 | infobot | cats /dev/urandom into Templarian's ear |
| 18:51.14 | Mousey | i imagine OS X server is fine, as long as you don't mind lack of hardware configurations |
| 18:51.20 | Eguy | Nah |
| 18:51.31 | Eguy | Server 08 R2 is the best |
| 18:51.41 | Eguy | Hyper-V is awesome |
| 18:52.38 | CTLAdvance-webos | aour linux servers always get screwed up and need a clean install. Just like our macs, not sure where people say they are so great. |
| 18:52.43 | CTLAdvance-webos | Or were always |
| 18:52.51 | CTLAdvance-webos | We got rid of them as well |
| 18:52.55 | Eguy | who does your IT work? |
| 18:53.05 | Eguy | college kids? |
| 18:53.12 | Mousey | linux servers only get screwed up if people don't know what they're doing |
| 18:53.20 | Eguy | Exactly |
| 18:53.32 | Mousey | stick with what you know, wind0zer |
| 18:53.33 | gkatsev | also, you dont want to run only one type of server. its safer that way |
| 18:53.48 | CTLAdvance-webos | Nope linux server admins who supposedly have exp we went through 3 of them |
| 18:53.50 | Mousey | homogeny is the surest way to lose a whole orchard |
| 18:53.51 | Templarian | Linux servers do require clean installs my bro manages a ton of servers for printing on campus and they all needed a clean install to update thier ubuntu due to feature needs. |
| 18:53.57 | Eguy | Never touch a server if you don't know what you are doing |
| 18:54.15 | Mousey | Templarian: problem identified: ubuntu |
| 18:54.36 | gkatsev | not if you use ksplice. allows you to install kernel patches and updates without rebooting. :) |
| 18:54.42 | CTLAdvance-webos | Exactly that's why I stay away from linux servers, its cheaper anyway. No need for an admin |
| 18:54.49 | Eguy | Thank you webos-internals patch |
| 18:54.50 | Mousey | seriously, if you went thru 3 linux admins and couldn't find a good one, revisit your interview metrics |
| 18:54.55 | Eguy | phone prefs now not working |
| 18:55.06 | Templarian | Mousey: what's wrong with ubuntu, it comes feature packed and ready for deployment. |
| 18:55.09 | gkatsev | Eguy: sounds like its time to visit the doctor |
| 18:55.17 | Eguy | 3 linux admins aged 12? |
| 18:55.23 | Eguy | gkatsev: fuck the doctor |
| 18:55.26 | CTLAdvance-webos | Mousey - or get rid of linux, no need for failure |
| 18:55.30 | Eguy | I will fix it myself |
| 18:55.39 | Mousey | CTLAdvance-webos: welcome to the hamster wheel |
| 18:55.40 | Templarian | doesn't use ubuntu and perfers his windows setup GUI's ftw. |
| 18:55.40 | CTLAdvance-webos | All 3 had masters |
| 18:55.48 | Mousey | enjoy your $4000 certification upgrades |
| 18:55.52 | CTLAdvance-webos | Hah |
| 18:55.58 | CTLAdvance-webos | Oh I will |
| 18:56.00 | Eguy | Need more time |
| 18:56.02 | Mousey | i'm sure |
| 18:56.10 | Eguy | you kids behave yourself |
| 18:56.15 | CTLAdvance-webos | And I will enjoy virtually no downtime |
| 18:56.19 | Eguy | Daddy won't be around to spank you |
| 18:56.20 | gkatsev | Eguy: i refuse |
| 18:56.32 | Mousey | going with what you know, a great american pasttime |
| 18:56.35 | CTLAdvance-webos | Thanks to redundant virtual servers |
| 18:56.37 | Eguy | Be back later |
| 18:57.03 | Mousey | yah, because redundant virtual servers wasn't invented by linux or -anything- |
| 18:57.37 | CTLAdvance-webos | Mousey - I do use windows at work, at home I have 2 linux machines to play with. |
| 18:57.42 | CTLAdvance-webos | Well aside from my pcs |
| 18:57.53 | gkatsev | a correctly setup linux server shouldnt need touching. it might be easier to set up a windows server correctly though, perhaps. |
| 18:57.58 | Templarian | My linux box is just a really old computer. |
| 18:58.11 | CTLAdvance-webos | Don't care, if we need multiple windows servers we have them up and available |
| 18:58.17 | gkatsev | CTLAdvance-webos: PCs are linux. or windows. or mac. |
| 18:58.18 | Mousey | for a price |
| 18:58.28 | Mousey | which sucks revenue away |
| 18:58.29 | CTLAdvance-webos | True |
| 18:58.40 | Templarian | gkatsev: linux servers are a pain so many commands to setup stuff (although there are easy packages that do it, but all the settings are never correct). |
| 18:58.47 | Mousey | but hey, you've already paid for the talent, and retooling seems a bit much |
| 18:58.49 | CTLAdvance-webos | Downtime sucks more revene away |
| 18:59.02 | Mousey | need more redundancy |
| 18:59.05 | Mousey | or rater |
| 18:59.06 | Mousey | better admins |
| 18:59.08 | Mousey | +h |
| 18:59.15 | CTLAdvance-webos | Spelling mistakes also suck revenue away... Sigh |
| 18:59.29 | Mousey | not nearly as much though. ;) |
| 19:00.02 | gkatsev | yeah, like that bank that closed its shares at $3.000 instead of $3000. |
| 19:00.20 | Mousey | in some countries, . is the , it is in the us |
| 19:00.20 | CTLAdvance-webos | Agreed |
| 19:00.31 | CTLAdvance-webos | Yep |
| 19:00.35 | Mousey | need better coders |
| 19:00.50 | Mousey | it's always funny to me when failure is blamed on the tool instead of the wielder |
| 19:01.07 | CTLAdvance-webos | Who blammed the tool? |
| 19:01.19 | Mousey | linux sux0rs, windows ftw! |
| 19:01.24 | Eguy | webos was made by tools |
| 19:01.27 | Eguy | that is all |
| 19:01.32 | CTLAdvance-webos | Hah |
| 19:01.33 | Mousey | webos was made by people |
| 19:01.42 | Mousey | if it sucks as a tool, need better people |
| 19:01.43 | gkatsev | Eguy: you are a tool. |
| 19:01.43 | Eguy | people who are tools |
| 19:01.52 | Eguy | ~lart gkatsev |
| 19:01.52 | infobot | explains, ever so gently, that if gkatsev doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 19:01.58 | Mousey | lol |
| 19:01.59 | gkatsev | haha |
| 19:02.02 | Eguy | that doesn't even make sense |
| 19:02.08 | Mousey | oh but it DOES |
| 19:02.12 | Eguy | O RLY? |
| 19:02.13 | CTLAdvance-webos | ~lart tools |
| 19:02.13 | infobot | send killer squirrels to attack tools |
| 19:02.19 | Mousey | though the context is totally off |
| 19:02.22 | gkatsev | ~info lart |
| 19:02.28 | Mousey | ~lart himself |
| 19:02.28 | infobot | does a little 'dpkg -P himself' action |
| 19:02.33 | gkatsev | ~about lart |
| 19:02.37 | gkatsev | ~help lart |
| 19:02.38 | Eguy | ~lart death star |
| 19:02.38 | infobot | puts death star into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of death star's hair of |
| 19:02.39 | CTLAdvance-webos | Eguy, none of our ad supported buttons have charges |
| 19:02.48 | CTLAdvance-webos | Hah |
| 19:02.55 | Mousey | now that's funny |
| 19:02.57 | gkatsev | lart = luser attitude readjustment tool |
| 19:03.02 | CTLAdvance-webos | ~lart tux |
| 19:03.02 | infobot | beats the living hamstercrap out of tux |
| 19:03.04 | Mousey | tries imagining the death star with hair |
| 19:03.20 | Mousey | freedom hater |
| 19:03.20 | gkatsev | CTLAdvance-webos: hey, leave tux out of it |
| 19:03.28 | Eguy | ~lart gonads |
| 19:03.28 | infobot | frags gonads with his BFG9000 |
| 19:03.53 | CTLAdvance-webos | Arggg matey if you can't handle the heat get a better heat sync |
| 19:04.07 | Templarian | That was pretty corny. |
| 19:04.18 | CTLAdvance-webos | ~lart gkatsev |
| 19:04.18 | infobot | beats gkatsev to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 19:04.32 | Eguy | I prefer 3.14cm |
| 19:04.57 | Mousey | heat sink |
| 19:05.06 | CTLAdvance-webos | Bah |
| 19:05.10 | Eguy | I am really going now |
| 19:05.11 | Mousey | goes off to pirate linux |
| 19:05.15 | Mousey | ..wiat |
| 19:05.22 | Mousey | s/ai/ia/ |
| 19:05.27 | Mousey | s/ai/ia/ |
| 19:05.32 | Mousey | s/ia/ai/ |
| 19:05.44 | gkatsev | within Î cm? |
| 19:05.56 | Mousey | i like Î |
| 19:06.04 | gkatsev | i also like pie |
| 19:06.22 | *** part/#webos-watercooler CTLAdvance-webos (n=wIRCer@72-61-227-25.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 19:06.30 | Templarian | Yay he's gone. |
| 19:06.51 | Templarian | :P |
| 19:06.59 | gkatsev | who is? |
| 19:10.22 | Templarian | I was hoping he would reconnect right after but he didn't. |
| 19:10.32 | Templarian | Failed joke. |
| 19:31.41 | Mousey | man |
| 19:31.43 | Mousey | windows fanboys |
| 19:31.50 | Mousey | i think they're all paid |
| 19:32.39 | Mousey | wonders why he's trolling wind0zers so hard today |
| 19:38.16 | Templarian | Mousey: It's a better achetecture, so much so that Mono was made to copy it. |
| 19:38.49 | Mousey | now who's trollin' |
| 19:38.51 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 19:38.53 | Templarian | So my boss is retiring. He hasn't told anyone and I'm getting transfered so everyone is in the dark. |
| 19:39.10 | Templarian | Mousey: That's not trolling that's a factual statment that even linux users know. |
| 19:39.16 | Mousey | how will transfering you keep you from blogging about it? |
| 19:39.33 | Mousey | Templarian: linux people in general shun mono, and it STILL doesn't even support winforms |
| 19:39.39 | Mousey | most linux people are like do not want |
| 19:39.48 | Templarian | I'm getting transfered 2 to a building a few feet away right now I have a huge office to myself. |
| 19:40.07 | Mousey | so that it exists, has nothing to do with whether anyone asked for it or wants it |
| 19:40.24 | Templarian | Novell seems to love it and other companies. |
| 19:40.41 | Templarian | It's going to expand till it envelopes linux. |
| 19:40.45 | Mousey | lol |
| 19:41.20 | Mousey | it exists because it can exist, that's the open source way.. it doesn't exist because it's wanted or needed or in demand |
| 19:41.40 | Mousey | if novell is investing in it, its because they can invest in it. not because it's wanted or needed |
| 19:41.59 | Templarian | People love C# it was eventually going to happen. |
| 19:42.07 | Mousey | again, marketing |
| 19:42.23 | Mousey | it has to fight for success like any other idea people get a hair up their butt to implement |
| 19:42.50 | Templarian | Marketing? C# 4.0 is really the best of all languages rolled into one simple syntax. |
| 19:42.55 | Mousey | and mono (and moonlight too, for that matter) are not exactly high on people's lists.. you can tell by the lack of features compared to the windows versions |
| 19:43.11 | Mousey | languages are only as good as what their useful for writing |
| 19:43.27 | Mousey | you won't see C# in embedded spaces, where C and asm make more sense, for example |
| 19:43.40 | Mousey | it won't be replacing shell scripting |
| 19:43.48 | Mousey | it has it's place among languages |
| 19:43.54 | Mousey | but to say it's the "best" is to ignore context |
| 19:44.02 | Templarian | Of course not C# excels in Rapid Application Development |
| 19:44.13 | Mousey | in windows, yes |
| 19:44.22 | Mousey | (haha, like there's anything else!) |
| 19:44.24 | Templarian | Linux also I hear it's pretty quick there also. |
| 19:44.32 | gkatsev | gnome-do is written in mono |
| 19:44.39 | gkatsev | there are a lot of apps written in mono for linux |
| 19:44.39 | Mousey | and gnome-do is slow and buggy |
| 19:44.42 | Mousey | as is drapes |
| 19:44.42 | gkatsev | tomboy notes |
| 19:44.45 | Mousey | as is tomboy |
| 19:44.50 | Mousey | and bloated, too i might add |
| 19:45.01 | Mousey | they work, yah |
| 19:45.01 | gkatsev | Mousey: gnome-do isnt slow, at least not for me. |
| 19:45.43 | Templarian | A lot of newer applications will be written in mono, some embrace it others will be trampled by it as it becomes more integrated. |
| 19:45.50 | Mousey | i find gnome-do has limited usefulness to me.. mostly because i don't mistake the GUI for a commandline, quicksilver was useful because the mac has a BAD command line for everyday stuff.. |
| 19:46.00 | Templarian | It's like the people that stuck with Windows 2000 since they didn't like .NET. |
| 19:46.11 | Mousey | well |
| 19:46.18 | Mousey | the problem isn't .NET or even C# |
| 19:47.11 | Templarian | It's also nice to see Windows and Linux becoming one development enviroment. |
| 19:47.19 | Mousey | the problem really is that mono will only ever be BEHIND .NET, developmentally. and cultivated by a company that is HOSTILE towards linux. Therefore it'll always be a bad idea to try keeping up with the joneses.. as soon as MS does a major rewrite of the underpinnings, Mono is screwed |
| 19:48.04 | Templarian | Microsoft keeps their products in beta for a long time and Mono has company backing so. |
| 19:48.05 | Mousey | and don't mistake Mono/.NET as becomeing "one developement environment", mono is -just another- development enviornment, as far as linux is concerned.. |
| 19:48.32 | Mousey | company backing by Novell, a -company- microsoft is openly hostile towards |
| 19:48.36 | Mousey | you're not convincing me here |
| 19:50.04 | Templarian | Just be happy they can keep up and it doesn't turn into a OpenGL DirectX thing where OpenGL just basically gave up on a whole sector. |
| 19:50.15 | Mousey | right |
| 19:50.16 | Mousey | except sony |
| 19:50.27 | Mousey | who recently won over MS in the blu-ray vs hd-dvd debate |
| 19:50.43 | Mousey | i don't see DirectX on any PS3s |
| 19:50.51 | Templarian | That wasn't that big of a win, Sony has failed how many times in the format wars. |
| 19:51.05 | Mousey | right well, they're not known for their failures either.. |
| 19:51.08 | Mousey | PSP notwithstanding |
| 19:51.22 | Mousey | not that Sony is chock-fulla saint |
| 19:51.23 | Mousey | s |
| 19:51.36 | Mousey | i'm just saying, OpenGL is a loooong way from dead |
| 19:51.37 | Templarian | The PS3's achetecture gets mocked for being hard to develop on all the time. |
| 19:51.56 | gkatsev | beta max! |
| 19:52.06 | Mousey | how much of that is the proc, and sony's crappy tools, and how much of that is open gl? |
| 19:52.16 | Mousey | also, beta? are you kidding? Hollywood still loves nothing more |
| 19:52.22 | Templarian | Mousey: you brought Sony into it. |
| 19:52.35 | gkatsev | beta was technologically better than VHS. |
| 19:52.49 | Mousey | gkatsev: and Film Editors industry wide still agree |
| 19:53.09 | gkatsev | yeah, blame the porn industry |
| 19:53.15 | Mousey | Templarian: for the purposes of illustrating the wide use of OpenGL |
| 19:53.27 | gkatsev | which is also why bluray one. sony convinced the porn industry to use it |
| 19:53.33 | Mousey | hey, if the porn industry embraces a technology, it's probablyt good |
| 19:53.39 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 19:53.39 | gkatsev | lol |
| 19:53.42 | Templarian | OpenGL is showing it's age compared to DX11 (plus PS3 has a habbit of having a TBD next to their games because of the development struggles). |
| 19:53.53 | Mousey | Templarian: good thing v3 came out |
| 19:53.59 | gkatsev | personally, i liked BD better just because each disc was 50gigs while HDDVD was like 15 |
| 19:54.49 | Templarian | Even looking at the IDE Tech 5 engine (which I think is the best engine graphically for OpenGL), it doesn't come close to DX11. |
| 19:54.56 | Mousey | Templarian: also, the strength DX has over OpenGL is that it's for exactly ONE platform.. much like Apple's strength is it's brand-centricness.. OpenGL is a standard, it has to be available for a wide variety of things.. so of course it'll be behind, but without it, we wouldn't have.. say.. the Pre |
| 19:54.59 | gkatsev | i remember discussing BDvsHDDVD in APCS in highschool like 3.5/4 years ago, when the fight was heating up, lol |
| 19:55.30 | Templarian | Mousey: DX is for the XBox and PC. Two huge Platforms. |
| 19:55.35 | Mousey | no |
| 19:55.39 | Mousey | it's for Microsoft. one platform |
| 19:55.51 | Mousey | that's like saying there's a difference between AppleTV and a MacBook |
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| 19:56.16 | Templarian | Two Platforms OS X and the one that failed. |
| 19:56.17 | gkatsev | Mousey: you mean appleTV & mac mini :D |
| 19:56.29 | Mousey | lol |
| 19:56.35 | Mousey | AppleTV runs boxee, it ain't all bad |
| 19:56.43 | Mousey | i wouldn't buy one |
| 19:56.45 | Mousey | but just sayin' |
| 19:56.53 | gkatsev | right, but you might as well just get a mac mini and hook it up |
| 19:57.03 | gkatsev | have you seen the dlink boxee box? |
| 19:57.08 | Templarian | You're not the only one. My friends a mac guy he replaced his with a HTPC shortly after. |
| 19:57.09 | Mousey | right, well i'll get a d-link boxee box, and pay less, too |
| 19:57.15 | Mousey | what gkatsev said |
| 19:57.18 | gkatsev | looks cool but utterly annoying cuz its not rectangular |
| 19:57.22 | Mousey | lo |
| 19:57.24 | Mousey | lol |
| 19:57.30 | Mousey | ah, a la the Mac Cube |
| 19:57.39 | Mousey | (aka, apple toaster) |
| 19:57.53 | Templarian | They need to make one of those btw. |
| 19:57.57 | gkatsev | no, the dlink boxee box is like a cube with a corner chopped off and it sits on that chopped off corner |
| 19:57.58 | Templarian | Really expand the brand. |
| 19:58.06 | Mousey | Templarian: nah, it'll only toast Apple Bread(tm) |
| 19:58.11 | gkatsev | its worse than the ps3 with the curved top |
| 19:58.22 | Templarian | Mousey: but it would put an apple logo on every peice. |
| 19:58.30 | Mousey | gkatsev: stack a lot of hardwares do ya? |
| 19:58.36 | Mousey | lol |
| 19:58.41 | Mousey | and it would only toast the logo |
| 19:58.52 | Templarian | wanders off to do a huge group project... first to find the group. |
| 19:59.00 | gkatsev | Mousey: lol. i dont actully have many things. no consoles |
| 19:59.14 | CTLAdvance-webos | An apple toast brander would sell like hotcakes based on the apple fanbase |
| 19:59.30 | Mousey | lol, yah.. and you'd have to pay extra if you wanted wheat bread |
| 19:59.52 | Mousey | Think Toast... |
| 20:00.01 | gkatsev | thinkgeek |
| 20:00.03 | Templarian | If I didn't already write my analytical paper on something else I should of done that and wrote it as sarcastic as possible. |
| 20:00.34 | CTLAdvance-webos | They could sell bread packs made by apple so you can't use your own |
| 20:00.39 | Templarian | beileves he might just freeze as the blizzard is starting to pick up around here. |
| 20:01.07 | Templarian | CTLAdvance-webos: That's implied (and written in the EULA you agree to). |
| 20:01.30 | CTLAdvance-webos | Ah yes, by opening this box you agree to... |
| 20:01.47 | Mousey | soccer moms, carted off to JAIL for use of UNAUTHORIZED BREAD |
| 20:01.50 | Mousey | sounds like zippy |
| 20:02.10 | Mousey | lunches |
| 20:02.23 | Templarian | Just to show I'm not totaly biased. Then microsoft would make one but third parties would make toast and a year later microsoft would block access to using said third party toast in a firmware upgrade that everyone saw coming 1 year ago. |
| 20:13.01 | CTLAdvance-webos | They could have a proprietary breadpod |
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