| 00:01.12 | webosnew | thanks again rwhitby |
| 00:01.15 | webosnew | bye guys |
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| 00:28.02 | rwhitby | dumps qualcomm partitions from three Pre 3 devices to see what is common and what changes |
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| 00:35.11 | tmzt | misc? |
| 00:36.30 | rwhitby | tmzt: ? |
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| 00:37.56 | rwhitby | p2,p3,p5,p6 are identical between two devices |
| 00:38.27 | tmzt | didn't know what partition you meant |
| 00:38.40 | tmzt | misc is a bunch of settings for the modem, there's also efs |
| 00:38.42 | rwhitby | that's CFG_DATA, OSBL, EFS2 and FOTA according to mantaray.xml |
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| 00:38.52 | tmzt | does pre uses rmt_storage? |
| 00:38.55 | tmzt | pre3 |
| 00:39.03 | hiddenpremise | rwhitby, your hello app looks like something I can learn a lot from. thanks for linking me to it. could you tell me what commands from the preware build (im guessing scripts directory) that I should use to package my app? |
| 00:39.24 | rwhitby | tmzt: yes: /usr/sbin/qcom_rmt_storage /dev/mmcblk0p7 /dev/mmcblk0p8 |
| 00:39.38 | rwhitby | 7 and 8 are MODEM_ST1 and MODEM_ST2 |
| 00:39.55 | rwhitby | hiddenpremise: there's a Makefile in hello.git |
| 00:40.47 | rwhitby | tmzt: turns out the daughter board in a Pre 3 is just the flash chip, nothing to do with modem hardware (other than storing the flash partitions) |
| 00:41.03 | rwhitby | tmzt: the goal is to create a 16GB EU Pre 3 (normally EU Pre 3's are 8B only) |
| 00:41.35 | rwhitby | So I'm working out what partitions need to be swapped in the flash area for this to work. |
| 00:41.40 | tmzt | msm_nand flash or emmc? |
| 00:42.04 | rwhitby | mmcblk0 |
| 00:42.11 | hiddenpremise | rwhitby: thanks |
| 00:42.37 | tmzt | usually a qualcomm bootloader has an embedded partition table it uses |
| 00:42.49 | tmzt | but some might also use the dos partition table |
| 00:46.22 | rwhitby | tmzt: p1 is FAT partition table |
| 00:46.42 | rwhitby | plus amss and chainbootie according to mantaray.xml |
| 00:47.22 | tmzt | all in p1? |
| 00:47.39 | tmzt | chainbootie would be appsboot.mbn |
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| 00:48.46 | rwhitby | tmzt: do you have a copy of mantaray.xml to look at? |
| 00:49.03 | tmzt | no |
| 00:49.10 | rwhitby | 100MB is too big for just the partition table |
| 00:49.22 | rwhitby | <!-- p1, FAT (amss, chainbootie) --> |
| 00:49.34 | rwhitby | <!-- p2, CFG_DATA; dbl.mbn --> |
| 00:49.36 | tmzt | is it a fat partition? |
| 00:49.39 | rwhitby | <!-- p3, OSBL; osbl.mbn --> |
| 00:49.44 | tmzt | or just the weird qualcomm fat that won't mount |
| 00:49.56 | rwhitby | <!-- p5, EFS2 --> |
| 00:50.00 | rwhitby | <!-- p6, FOTA --> |
| 00:50.04 | rwhitby | <!-- p7, MODEM_ST1 --> |
| 00:50.08 | rwhitby | <!-- p8, MODEM_ST2 --> |
| 00:50.17 | rwhitby | <!-- p9, ADSP; adsp.mbn --> |
| 00:50.23 | rwhitby | <!-- p10, MODEM_GOLDEN --> |
| 00:50.27 | rwhitby | <!-- p11, MODEM_PAD --> |
| 00:50.34 | rwhitby | <!-- p12, APPS (bootie) --> |
| 00:50.49 | rwhitby | p13 is nvram with tokens and logos |
| 00:50.53 | rwhitby | p14 is /boot |
| 00:51.35 | tmzt | I wondering why you need to move partitions around |
| 00:51.46 | tmzt | just to use a larger mmc |
| 00:51.59 | rwhitby | it's all the same single flash chip |
| 00:52.05 | rwhitby | on a single daughter board |
| 00:52.24 | tmzt | right, but it's emmc flash |
| 00:52.28 | rwhitby | move the board, and you move all the partitions as well |
| 00:52.51 | rwhitby | need to put the partitions back on the right board |
| 00:52.51 | tmzt | why can't you dd to it? maybe build an interface for them |
| 00:53.02 | tmzt | it should really just be mmc bus |
| 00:53.12 | tmzt | mabye at 3.3v |
| 00:53.23 | rwhitby | right, dd is what I intend to use of course |
| 00:54.02 | tmzt | if it's using rmt then the efs is being written from userspace in linux |
| 00:54.12 | tmzt | we found that out when rooting the g2 |
| 00:54.14 | rwhitby | rmt is only in the installer image |
| 00:54.40 | tmzt | we found that killing rmt did not kill the phone |
| 00:54.43 | rwhitby | do you know what's in ST1 and ST2 ? |
| 00:54.48 | tmzt | it just couldn't right settings back |
| 00:54.54 | rwhitby | (for the partition layout above) |
| 00:54.57 | tmzt | not by name |
| 00:55.05 | tmzt | usually strings is helpful with this stuff |
| 00:55.53 | rwhitby | they look encrypted |
| 00:56.15 | rwhitby | no recognisable strings at all |
| 00:56.33 | tmzt | how big are they? |
| 00:57.17 | rwhitby | 3072KB |
| 00:58.04 | ka6sox | figures |
| 00:58.20 | tmzt | could just be calibration or something like that |
| 00:58.34 | tmzt | are they the same or completely different? |
| 00:58.54 | tmzt | we had two partitions like that on g2, I think they were kept in sync by rmt_storage |
| 00:58.59 | tmzt | it would write to one at a time |
| 00:59.02 | rwhitby | completely different |
| 01:06.40 | rwhitby | tmzt: p1 is mountable as vfat |
| 01:07.00 | tmzt | hmm |
| 01:07.07 | tmzt | so it has mbn files in it? |
| 01:07.18 | rwhitby | http://pastebin.com/3M8yKmT5 |
| 01:07.47 | rwhitby | is there somewhere which describes what all those files are |
| 01:08.10 | ka6sox | jonpry you here?> |
| 01:08.19 | jonpry | yes |
| 01:08.21 | tmzt | emmc_appboot is chainbootie? |
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| 01:08.51 | rwhitby | yep |
| 01:08.54 | tmzt | adsp stuff is for the a6, it's mostly ram images loaded to the dsp for video and audio decoding and capture |
| 01:09.06 | tmzt | amss is the core of the amms itself, it's an elf probably |
| 01:09.21 | tmzt | it has the rtos and the servers for the modem stuff |
| 01:09.31 | tmzt | mdsp is q6 |
| 01:09.33 | ka6sox | 12AJ |
| 01:09.43 | ka6sox | (O or 0)8502 |
| 01:09.44 | tmzt | EBI inits the shared ram I would assume |
| 01:10.05 | tmzt | ka6sox: chip? |
| 01:10.17 | tmzt | maybe Q? |
| 01:11.02 | tmzt | wait EBI is something else, SMEMDUMP would be the shared ram |
| 01:11.31 | ka6sox | SMT |
| 01:11.36 | ka6sox | no tail for a Q |
| 01:11.41 | jonpry | ka6sox, i think its a much smaller chip. pretty sure it would be marked LK |
| 01:11.53 | ka6sox | this is only 1/4" long |
| 01:11.58 | ka6sox | its TINY |
| 01:12.16 | jonpry | other possible markings are GB, or AGM |
| 01:13.02 | jonpry | 2.1x1.6mm |
| 01:13.07 | rwhitby | ah, looks like some of these files are dumps |
| 01:13.26 | jonpry | ka6sox so smaller than 1/8" long |
| 01:13.27 | rwhitby | when I compare two devices, many of the .BIN files differ, but all the .mbn files are identical (as expected) |
| 01:13.41 | tmzt | rwhitby: this could be used for fastboot |
| 01:13.59 | tmzt | I didn't know it was supported on here (save the ram to disk and load it at runtime) |
| 01:14.15 | rwhitby | amss.mbn differs between ROW and ATT devices, but that's expected cause they have different modem firmware versions |
| 01:14.16 | tmzt | interesting timestamps |
| 01:14.25 | tmzt | ROW? |
| 01:14.30 | rwhitby | EU |
| 01:15.25 | ka6sox | jonpry, none of those designations are on any part |
| 01:15.47 | ka6sox | this is the only one that even looks like it has balanced in/out |
| 01:16.09 | jonpry | hrm. picture? |
| 01:18.56 | hiddenpremise | â¦man I've been running make for the past half hour lol |
| 01:21.09 | ka6sox | okay, give me a few minutes to get the setup so I can get a pic |
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| 01:22.03 | jonpry | ka6sox, sure thing. thanks |
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| 01:38.40 | ka6sox | jonpry, 12AJ (diamond) 8502 |
| 01:38.57 | jonpry | processor? |
| 01:39.08 | jonpry | oh the marks |
| 01:39.08 | ka6sox | green--, I can't hold the lenses back to back steady enough |
| 01:39.31 | ka6sox | (to take a picture) |
| 01:39.33 | ka6sox | but it works |
| 01:40.56 | jonpry | i've never had much luck figuring out what the smt markings mean unless you know the manufacturer |
| 01:41.05 | ka6sox | right |
| 01:41.13 | ka6sox | the manuf has to be that diamond mark |
| 01:42.50 | green-- | ka6sox: well, can you use some sort of tape I wonder? |
| 01:42.59 | green-- | probably fine if not, it's not all that urgent |
| 01:43.30 | jonpry | the thing is that this mhl switch is like a pretty expensive part. .40 to 1.00 depending on the model. i have my doubts it would be populated if not used |
| 01:44.15 | green-- | unless there were plans to use it, but the feature was not completed in time or something |
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| 01:58.28 | ka6sox | 12AJ (diamond) 8502 |
| 01:58.46 | ka6sox | even under 10X live view thats what it is |
| 01:59.02 | ka6sox | WM8958E |
| 01:59.04 | ka6sox | (too big) |
| 01:59.10 | ka6sox | PB4AC |
| 01:59.19 | ka6sox | PM8901 |
| 01:59.31 | ka6sox | 14CY83T |
| 01:59.39 | ka6sox | TPS61187 |
| 01:59.45 | ka6sox | PS61032 |
| 02:00.00 | ka6sox | 1824T-1121 |
| 02:00.04 | ka6sox | 53 |
| 02:00.09 | ka6sox | FD |
| 02:02.06 | ka6sox | those *are* the numbers that are tehre. |
| 02:02.25 | ka6sox | 8903 |
| 02:02.40 | jonpry | thats it? |
| 02:04.06 | ka6sox | no, but a lot of the rest are in the PS sections |
| 02:04.30 | ka6sox | 2126 |
| 02:05.24 | ka6sox | 75211 |
| 02:06.01 | ka6sox | 1631 020M |
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| 02:10.47 | ka6sox | jonpry, nothing else matches what you are talking about |
| 02:11.04 | ka6sox | either too few pins, or "bigger |
| 02:11.26 | jonpry | ic |
| 02:12.03 | actionfigure | anyone have problems getting themes to work on 2.1? |
| 02:12.14 | jonpry | i wonder if its even necessary. like if somebody were to short the usb phy with the hdmi pins. muxing could be achieved via pinmux |
| 02:13.27 | actionfigure | no luck here |
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| 02:20.21 | actionfigure | :) |
| 02:21.49 | actionfigure | hmmm |
| 02:22.13 | ka6sox | jonpry? |
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| 02:30.02 | jonpry | ka6sox just trying to figure out how hdmi could possible work at this point |
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| 02:38.46 | ka6sox | jonpry, I was able to ID every chip |
| 02:39.31 | jonpry | as in the numbers or what they are? |
| 02:39.55 | ka6sox | as in #'s |
| 02:40.09 | ka6sox | nothing is erased or has a non-readable part. |
| 02:44.51 | jonpry | no LK's? |
| 02:45.21 | ka6sox | nope |
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| 02:54.57 | ka6sox | jonpry, I zoomed in with the live view and read every chip |
| 02:55.04 | ka6sox | no matter how many legs it had |
| 02:55.27 | jonpry | yeah i think there is not an MHL mux |
| 02:55.41 | ka6sox | okay |
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| 03:00.39 | ka6sox | I am pretty certain after chasing down this part on the board that it is...the motor controller chip (for the vibration motor) |
| 03:02.59 | ka6sox | so that means no MHL mux :( |
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| 03:04.08 | actionfigure | is it possible to go back from 2.1 to 1.4.5? |
| 03:04.35 | ka6sox | actionfigure, insufficient data to form a conclusion |
| 03:04.53 | ka6sox | you haven't said what device, what configuration, what you have done. |
| 03:05.01 | actionfigure | pre+ |
| 03:05.30 | ka6sox | sure, the Doctor will do a splendid job of that. |
| 03:05.42 | actionfigure | I installed 2.1 on my 1.4.5. I backed up all data |
| 03:06.53 | actionfigure | sorry was that a joke? |
| 03:07.16 | actionfigure | :) I can't tell |
| 03:07.18 | ka6sox | no, you asked a question that had not enough information to help |
| 03:07.26 | actionfigure | ok |
| 03:07.47 | actionfigure | what else did you want to know |
| 03:07.51 | ka6sox | okay now the question is WHY do you want to do that? |
| 03:08.52 | actionfigure | cuz I find 2.1 a little laggy, freezes a lot, don't like just type, themes don't work |
| 03:10.05 | actionfigure | id say laggy and freezing to be the main thing for me |
| 03:10.30 | actionfigure | I'm not dissing it, just doesn't do it for me |
| 03:10.46 | actionfigure | :) know what I mean |
| 03:10.50 | ka6sox | yes, |
| 03:11.00 | ka6sox | I realize you said you backed up your data. |
| 03:11.05 | actionfigure | yes |
| 03:11.27 | ka6sox | but I haven't tried to go back and forth between those 2 series while caring whether I lose anything or not |
| 03:11.32 | actionfigure | I do love how smooth 2.1 is though |
| 03:11.53 | ka6sox | (I did that when I was testing Sprint Pre2) |
| 03:11.57 | ka6sox | but then I didnt' care. |
| 03:12.22 | actionfigure | id love to keep 2 but I'm having problems |
| 03:12.32 | ka6sox | so YMMV. |
| 03:12.44 | actionfigure | so the doctor and just revert back? |
| 03:13.00 | ka6sox | it *may* decide to blow away your /media/internal |
| 03:13.07 | ka6sox | so anything you want to save I'd get off of there. |
| 03:13.18 | actionfigure | hmmm |
| 03:13.50 | ka6sox | you asked....would you rather I lied to you and said "NO PROBLEM!!!!" |
| 03:13.55 | actionfigure | media/interneal? |
| 03:14.26 | actionfigure | no, I greatly appreciate you help and honesty. |
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| 03:15.19 | actionfigure | ka6sox: :) |
| 03:17.19 | ka6sox | media/internal is the partition you can see when you plug the pre into your computer |
| 03:18.16 | actionfigure | oh ok so its possible to brick my pre |
| 03:19.24 | actionfigure | well I'll keep playing with 2 and hope it gets better |
| 03:19.47 | actionfigure | I'm not sure why themes don't work at all |
| 03:22.43 | actionfigure | ka6sox: thanks again for your help |
| 03:23.25 | ka6sox | actionfigure, I did NOT say "BRICK" |
| 03:23.48 | actionfigure | I know. I just thought I might |
| 03:23.54 | ka6sox | I said you *could* end up with the doctor thinking it needed to reformat your /media/internal partition |
| 03:24.07 | ka6sox | and therefore all of the data in that partition would be lost. |
| 03:24.16 | ka6sox | like pictures, audio, video etc |
| 03:24.24 | actionfigure | ok. |
| 03:24.27 | tmzt | you can't brick a pre 2 can you? |
| 03:24.37 | actionfigure | I have all that backedup |
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| 03:27.19 | actionfigure | so does anyone have themes working |
| 03:27.35 | actionfigure | also can I get rid of just type |
| 03:28.17 | ka6sox | tmzt, not that I've seen |
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| 03:46.14 | ka6sox | Mercury, check your tweaks settings |
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| 04:11.14 | andmer | hey, does anybody know what .palm directory contains? its 2gigs and has odd looking file names |
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| 04:23.16 | ka6sox | and the next time we hear from him he will be crying because he threw it all away :D |
| 04:25.08 | wrea | lol |
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| 09:50.34 | Netvirus | hello |
| 09:51.34 | Netvirus | I would like to get into developing apps and patches but I dont know where to start. can any1 help ? |
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| 14:21.02 | Mercury | ka6sox: Set to XS, not off. Changing it doesn't seem to make a difference. |
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| 14:36.57 | actionfigure | :) ello |
| 14:37.52 | actionfigure | ka6sox: hiya |
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| 15:54.41 | actionfigure | hiya peeps |
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| 16:24.28 | macpro | how do i get hulu working |
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| 17:37.55 | bedrock | can't seem to get touchplayer 1.0.4 to isntall from the preware feeds, it just sits and spins, anyone any ideas? |
| 17:40.36 | dwc- | the installer service is probably hung. reboot and try again |
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| 17:47.43 | bedrock | but it's only happenign to touchplayer ? |
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| 17:47.49 | bedrock | i can install others |
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| 18:03.19 | actionfigure | anyone on 2.1 and have themes working? |
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| 18:05.59 | Davide-NYC | any word on HPs plans for webos? |
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| 18:09.44 | actionfigure | hmmm |
| 18:09.58 | actionfigure | Davide-NYC: dont know..i thought they were dropping webos |
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| 18:12.08 | Davide-NYC | I haven't found any news on WebOS in particular since the "big meeting" last week. |
| 18:12.28 | actionfigure | oh ok |
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| 18:16.38 | actionfigure | the room is dead ;\ |
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| 18:29.28 | actionfigure | anyone on 2.1 and have themes working? |
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| 18:37.27 | ghostinator | an app or integration with xecutah to start/stop/restart services like openSSH, lighted, etc would be awesome. |
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| 19:58.42 | hiddenpremise | Hey, I'm having a bit of a problem getting my app packaged for preware. The structure of my app (includes both an enyo app and a service) doesn't allow me to use the ipk packager. I've beeing doing the old `tar -c build_directory | gzip > com.myapp.test.ipk` approach |
| 19:59.02 | hiddenpremise | When I try to install from webos quick install, I get an invalid or corrupt package error |
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| 20:09.22 | hiddenpremise | I wrote up a description of the problem over on precentral if anyone feels like having a look. http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-homebrew/303778-packaging-woes.html#post3209167 |
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| 20:46.13 | dwc- | hiddenpremise: if you're developing an app, you should probably be using the palm SDK |
| 20:46.21 | dwc- | an ipk is not a .tar.gz |
| 20:46.50 | hiddenpremise | dwc: I'm using the palm sdk, but im also using custom postinst and prerm scripts to hook into Jason's homebrew service framework |
| 20:47.10 | hiddenpremise | dwc: the palm sdk tools don't package custom scripts, but wrea has pointed me at a tool that does |
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| 20:52.43 | dwc- | I'm pretty sure it can |
| 20:52.56 | dwc- | but, check the webos internals 'hello' sample app |
| 20:53.34 | hiddenpremise | dwc: Thanks :), I've been looking at it and have got a lot to learn from it, but I'm not to the point of understanding everything just yet |
| 20:54.15 | hiddenpremise | dwc-: sorry got your name wrong⦠</shameface> |
| 20:54.29 | dwc- | same difference :) |
| 20:54.41 | dwc- | bbl |
| 20:54.47 | hiddenpremise | peace |
| 20:55.03 | wrea | yeah, now he's on his way to hunt you down for that mistake :P |
| 20:55.23 | hiddenpremise | ⦠*loads AR* |
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| 21:39.12 | George___ | just testing |
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| 22:56.33 | Loopin3r | i need help with using meta-doctor to remove partition on my touchpad, anyone wann help? |
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| 23:06.27 | rwhitby | what instructions are you following? |
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| 23:58.43 | Ip-2 | help please .. |
| 23:58.44 | VaMpIrO | ?? |