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| 00:50.58 | actionfigure_ | greetings :) |
| 00:52.29 | wrea | hi |
| 00:53.33 | actionfigure_ | hows it going |
| 00:56.23 | wrea | it goes |
| 00:57.06 | actionfigure_ | good. anything new? |
| 00:57.49 | wrea | Palm has screwed me for a month. Maybe one day I'll get my Veer back to play with |
| 00:58.47 | actionfigure_ | oh what's wrong |
| 00:59.54 | wrea | Sent it in a month ago and it boils down to them lying to me on what was happening with it |
| 01:00.17 | actionfigure_ | oh sorry to hear that |
| 01:00.27 | actionfigure_ | veer is nice |
| 01:01.39 | wrea | Wish I could afford the pre 3 |
| 01:01.49 | actionfigure_ | what was wrong with it |
| 01:02.17 | wrea | A huge cluster of stuck and dead pixels |
| 01:02.41 | actionfigure_ | oh |
| 01:03.17 | wrea | I had it in my possession for one whole day before it was sent out |
| 01:03.51 | actionfigure_ | pre? |
| 01:04.20 | actionfigure_ | did you it like that inthe store |
| 01:04.29 | actionfigure_ | opp |
| 01:04.44 | actionfigure_ | did yoy buy it like that |
| 01:05.05 | actionfigure_ | :) can't type |
| 01:05.12 | wrea | I got it through an intermediary new in box |
| 01:06.06 | actionfigure_ | oh ok |
| 01:06.43 | actionfigure_ | warranty? |
| 01:07.29 | wrea | Yeah, it's covered, just palm screwing me over |
| 01:07.32 | wrea | :P |
| 01:07.54 | actionfigure_ | hmmm |
| 01:08.15 | actionfigure_ | mine is not under warranty |
| 01:09.14 | actionfigure_ | mine breaks, I need to buy another one |
| 01:13.33 | actionfigure_ | how long will palm be anound |
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| 01:14.13 | wrea | time will tell |
| 01:15.25 | actionfigure_ | yeah |
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| 01:16.25 | actionfigure_ | I wonder what's the fastest overclock on a palm pre |
| 01:17.39 | halfhalo | pre +/-? I know that 1.2GHz has been hit. don't remember anything higher though |
| 01:18.50 | actionfigure_ | oh cool. I don't see 1.2 on govnah |
| 01:19.17 | actionfigure_ | wrea let us know the results :) |
| 01:19.38 | wrea | Should be another month at this rate :P |
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| 01:21.13 | actionfigure_ | I installed patch faster card animation. it makes it faster |
| 01:21.36 | actionfigure_ | wrea oh ok. did you talk to them |
| 01:21.48 | ka6sox | watches for them to INCINERATE their device....And LAUGH. |
| 01:21.57 | wrea | ka6sox, lol, yeah |
| 01:22.06 | wrea | I've talked to them, many, many times |
| 01:23.06 | ka6sox | if they start sending some HATE our way I would remind them about the rules for Alpha and Beta feeds.... |
| 01:24.11 | rrix | You make it sound like people read rules |
| 01:24.20 | rrix | :P |
| 01:24.33 | wrea | Yeah. |
| 01:26.08 | Guinness | I have 3 Pre2s... I'd be willing to fry one |
| 01:27.41 | Guinness | why is 1.1GHz the fastest OC for pre2? |
| 01:27.45 | ka6sox | heh |
| 01:28.40 | actionfigure_ | p2 should be oc to 1.5 |
| 01:28.56 | actionfigure_ | or 2ghz |
| 01:28.58 | Guinness | with what kernel? |
| 01:29.24 | actionfigure_ | should. didn't sat can yet :) |
| 01:30.11 | actionfigure_ | is anyone working on a patch to oc pre2 |
| 01:30.57 | Guinness | unixpsycho I guess, but he hasn't updated the beta kernels in months |
| 01:31.29 | Guinness | maybe he has a pre3 |
| 01:32.06 | actionfigure_ | imagine pre2 at 2ghz :) |
| 01:32.31 | actionfigure_ | then I'd want a pre 2 |
| 01:32.51 | halfhalo | pre 2 is worth it purely for the extra ram |
| 01:33.13 | actionfigure_ | yep |
| 01:33.16 | Guinness | I got 2 extras when HP was selling them for $49 |
| 01:33.28 | actionfigure_ | what! |
| 01:33.48 | actionfigure_ | wow great deal |
| 01:34.05 | actionfigure_ | I'd like a touchpad |
| 01:34.07 | Guinness | couple days after they announced they were quitting |
| 01:34.20 | wrea | I didnt know about the phones at the time or else would have gotten some |
| 01:34.28 | actionfigure_ | :( sad I really enjoy webos |
| 01:34.52 | actionfigure_ | wrea you and me both |
| 01:35.20 | Guinness | was there anything to that rumor about amazon being interested in webos? |
| 01:35.28 | actionfigure_ | guinness what are going to do with all 3 |
| 01:35.38 | wrea | I did get my veer close to the firesale price though |
| 01:35.53 | actionfigure_ | never heard of that |
| 01:36.11 | Guinness | I figured there was a pretty good chance I'd break the glass or drop one in a toilet or something before I find a new phone I like... |
| 01:36.18 | Guinness | just got 'em as backups |
| 01:36.21 | actionfigure_ | veer is cute |
| 01:36.55 | actionfigure_ | guinness good thinking |
| 01:37.30 | Guinness | it's still a $500 phone. how could I NOT buy two when they were 90% off |
| 01:37.36 | halfhalo | has a shelf full of backups |
| 01:37.44 | actionfigure_ | lol yep |
| 01:38.04 | actionfigure_ | got my pre plus for $100 |
| 01:38.45 | Guinness | I need another sprint pre- comm board |
| 01:39.01 | actionfigure_ | why |
| 01:39.48 | Guinness | because I'm on Sprint and if I drop this one in a toilet I'll need another comm board to get back online with one of my spares |
| 01:39.54 | actionfigure_ | I'd like a pre2 and a veer just for fun |
| 01:40.15 | halfhalo | i like the veer |
| 01:40.22 | halfhalo | but i like the pre3 more. |
| 01:40.40 | Guinness | can't run either of those on Sprint |
| 01:40.48 | actionfigure_ | guinness you need to stop taking your palm in the restroom lol |
| 01:40.53 | halfhalo | bah, sprint. |
| 01:41.01 | Guinness | I like to read while I piss |
| 01:41.09 | actionfigure_ | lol |
| 01:41.20 | actionfigure_ | I do too. guilty |
| 01:41.22 | SineOt | that's what a Touchpad is for |
| 01:41.29 | SineOt | it won't fit down through the seat :U |
| 01:41.36 | Guinness | nah that's for a dump |
| 01:42.27 | actionfigure_ | veer is so small I wonder if I can type on it |
| 01:44.57 | Guinness | I think the keyboard is supposed to be about the same size as a pre |
| 01:45.15 | actionfigure_ | oh |
| 01:45.20 | actionfigure_ | cool |
| 01:45.31 | SineOt | yeah, it's not that bad. Pixi sized or there abouts |
| 01:45.34 | SineOt | and Pixi sized is nice |
| 01:45.40 | SineOt | takes some getting used to but usable |
| 01:45.52 | actionfigure_ | is the mic on the keyboard |
| 01:46.22 | actionfigure_ | I like that the pixi. great kb |
| 01:47.03 | acfrazier | hm.. anyone know if I update to 3.0.3 there will be new kernels available? (or is the source not out yet) |
| 01:49.48 | actionfigure_ | I still want a pixi plus :) |
| 01:50.41 | jrabbit | theres a 0.3? |
| 01:51.32 | acfrazier | apparently |
| 01:51.34 | actionfigure_ | <acfrazier> don't know |
| 01:51.44 | acfrazier | there was a thread on xda about it but it got pruned |
| 01:51.48 | acfrazier | here's the cache |
| 01:51.49 | acfrazier | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fforum.xda-developers.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D1290849&pbx=1&oq=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fforum.xda-developers.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D1290849&aq=f&aqi=g4&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=11095l12022l0l12229l7l4l0l0l0l0l213l705l0.2.2l4l0 |
| 01:52.12 | jrabbit | oh so not officially yet |
| 01:52.39 | acfrazier | apparently there is also a 3.0.4 if you doctor with the jar in that thread |
| 01:52.49 | jrabbit | hahaha |
| 01:52.55 | acfrazier | via system update. |
| 01:53.12 | actionfigure_ | 2.0 coming to pre plus? |
| 01:53.14 | jrabbit | intesting I guess they got one that updates via a beta track? |
| 01:53.21 | acfrazier | perhaps |
| 01:53.35 | acfrazier | I'm going to give it a whirl for the hell of it |
| 01:56.03 | acfrazier | was apparently compiled 9/22/11 |
| 01:56.53 | acfrazier | if it bricks my device.. RMA I suppose |
| 01:58.35 | actionfigure_ | acfrazier good luck :) |
| 01:58.44 | acfrazier | 21% so far |
| 01:59.08 | rwhitby | actionfigure_: please do not post links to NDA material in this channel |
| 01:59.19 | rwhitby | actionfigure_: sorry, was meant for acfrazier |
| 01:59.35 | acfrazier | rwhitby, will make note of that |
| 01:59.35 | actionfigure_ | ? |
| 01:59.36 | acfrazier | my bad |
| 01:59.56 | rwhitby | actionfigure_: tab complete fail |
| 02:00.10 | actionfigure_ | :) it's all good |
| 02:01.31 | actionfigure_ | how do I do tab complete |
| 02:01.56 | rwhitby | acfrazier: also, discussion of RMA'ing a device which you intentionally damaged by using leaked firmware is off-topic here too |
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| 02:03.25 | rwhitby | suggests folks read the "Fundamental Principles" slide from http://www.preware.org/presentation.pdf |
| 02:03.33 | acfrazier | rwhitby, well, I wouldn't say intentionally.. but I understand. Noted. |
| 02:04.30 | rwhitby | acfrazier: installing firmware from a non-official source is an intentional act |
| 02:04.52 | acfrazier | true.. like how people say they "accidentally" updated their iPhone which updated the baseband |
| 02:04.57 | acfrazier | I never thought I'd be one of those people |
| 02:05.00 | acfrazier | >.> |
| 02:05.16 | rwhitby | one day, with all the touchpads in circulation, someone *will* put some malware in something |
| 02:06.06 | rwhitby | and the number of people who fritzed their kernels with the chroid app shows how many people will be caught by it too |
| 02:06.34 | acfrazier | ah, that thing |
| 02:06.37 | acfrazier | glad I didn't install it. |
| 02:06.56 | rwhitby | how did you know the "3.0.3" was any different? |
| 02:07.12 | acfrazier | I didn't. However, it was a risk I was willing to accept. |
| 02:07.31 | wrea | I was gone most of the weekend so I havent heard about the chroid thing |
| 02:07.44 | acfrazier | As with anything unofficial, there is always a risk that you will screw your device up. |
| 02:07.45 | wrea | Or just havent paid attention |
| 02:07.55 | acfrazier | I'm very familiar with this notion coming from the iOS dev community. |
| 02:08.08 | Guinness | neither have I... sounds like medical problem |
| 02:08.18 | acfrazier | the question is whether or not you are willing to take that risk. |
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| 02:10.25 | rwhitby | and do so without RMA'ing it ;) |
| 02:11.12 | wrea | But RMA with Palm is so much fun, why would you not want to do it? |
| 02:11.32 | acfrazier | lmao |
| 02:13.24 | wrea | And I speak from experience, its so much fun I'll jump off a bridge if it ever happens again |
| 02:13.50 | Guinness | I had to RMA my original pre because the keyboard would quit working unless I slapped it... It was obviously just a lose ribbon cable. I was so damn tempted to take it apart and fix it myself |
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| 02:20.03 | bhuey | rwhitby: when do you fly out ? |
| 02:20.19 | rwhitby | Thursday night |
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| 02:22.07 | actionfigure_ | where are you going |
| 02:22.48 | EricBlade-TP | question of curiosity, and a quick google did not turn up an answer on the first couple pages .. what kernel version does webOS 3 use? |
| 02:23.33 | wrea | 2.6.35 |
| 02:23.34 | bhuey | rwhitby: sorry let me rephrase, when do you fly in ? :) |
| 02:27.00 | rwhitby | bhuey: I'm in San Jose now |
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| 02:32.14 | actionfigure_ | how do I auto tab in the pre? |
| 02:34.29 | actionfigure_ | :) |
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| 02:43.55 | destinal | actionfigure_: in wIRC? gesture+orange IIRC? |
| 02:44.14 | actionfigure_ | wirc |
| 02:44.17 | destinal | well, meta, the orange / white button |
| 02:45.58 | destinal | while holding down gesture area |
| 02:46.25 | actionfigure_ | destinal wirc |
| 02:47.48 | destinal | actionfigure_: I told you how to do it... |
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| 02:57.04 | actionfigure_ | destinal: thanks :) |
| 02:57.49 | actionfigure_ | destinal: just testing :) |
| 03:00.07 | destinal | actionfigure_: ah, working? awesome |
| 03:00.41 | actionfigure_ | destinal: thanks it helps a lot |
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| 03:05.56 | PatrickC | dtzWill: ping? are you xecutah or just xserver/xterm? |
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| 03:47.46 | matthewsm | http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?5682-Build-Progress-Updated-10-9 |
| 03:47.50 | matthewsm | Updated :D |
| 03:48.34 | SineOt | "webOS 3.0.4 may have HDMI support, and if so we can reverse engineer the process, stay tuned" interesting |
| 03:49.46 | jonpry | msm_rotator was fixed long ago |
| 03:50.21 | jonpry | audio works on bt if it a2dp |
| 03:50.35 | jonpry | screen is blank for much less seconds |
| 03:54.49 | tmzt_ | a2dp is over hci on most of these |
| 03:54.56 | tmzt_ | only sco is pcm from the a6 |
| 03:55.11 | tmzt_ | (these being qct devices, not webos qct devices) |
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| 03:57.59 | dtzWill | PatrickC_Away: mostly on the xserver side, although dabble a bit in xecutah :) |
| 04:02.53 | PatrickC | dtzWill: well.. I'm having issues with the new way of launching things (or so it seems) |
| 04:03.04 | PatrickC | but looks like it might be a ext3fs problem |
| 04:03.19 | PatrickC | looking into it more |
| 04:03.56 | dtzWill | kk, often helps to ask the channel not just select people. at least when that person is me and i'm about to step out O:) |
| 04:04.01 | dtzWill | gl sir ^.^ |
| 04:04.24 | PatrickC | lol ok |
| 04:04.53 | PatrickC | well.. have you ever seen it when, say, I click the "launch ubuntu" button. it starts xserver, flashes the ubuntu on the screen, then goes back to the blank xserver? |
| 04:04.55 | PatrickC | ok thanks |
| 04:05.20 | dtzWill | PatrickC: sure, the chroot failed. |
| 04:05.28 | dtzWill | given you previous comment i'm guessing the ext32 failed |
| 04:05.33 | dtzWill | *ext3fs isn't mounted |
| 04:05.44 | PatrickC | hmm.. that might be |
| 04:05.46 | PatrickC | lemme check |
| 04:06.37 | PatrickC | nope.. its mounted in the fstab it looks like |
| 04:06.48 | PatrickC | is /etc/fstab suppose to be readonly? |
| 04:07.24 | dtzWill | well adding in fstab doesn't make it mounted, unless it's set to mount on boot (should be) and you rebooted |
| 04:07.33 | dtzWill | just run 'mount' and check if it's mounted? |
| 04:07.52 | PatrickC | hmm.. was able to get some output from the ubuntu |
| 04:08.02 | PatrickC | getting screenshot before it disapears |
| 04:09.41 | PatrickC | http://www.box.net/shared/h2073bg9hd3j6pne26df |
| 04:12.36 | dtzWill | PatrickC: mount|grep ext3fs |
| 04:12.39 | PatrickC | proc, sys, bin, and a ton of other directories are missing it looks like |
| 04:13.19 | PatrickC | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.24 | dtzWill | PatrickC: more likely that a)underlying ext3fs isn't mounted at all, b)some interaction of partition creation and the ubuntu installation via preware (unexpected ordering, maybe?) resulted in the chroot not being dropped onto the newly mounted ext3fs partition |
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| 04:13.45 | PatrickC | hmm... |
| 04:13.59 | PatrickC | dtzWill: its mounted |
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| 04:14.15 | PatrickC | when I did the grep command, it gave me that (and a little more) |
| 04:14.19 | dtzWill | okay, you just said that you had an entry in /etc/fstab, which isn't the same thing. |
| 04:14.45 | PatrickC | the little more was (rw,noatime,errors=continue,barrier=0,data=writeback) |
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| 04:14.57 | PatrickC | I just did the grep when you suggested it |
| 04:15.05 | dtzWill | okay does "ls /media/ext3fs/ubuntu-natty-chroot/" show anything? |
| 04:15.08 | dtzWill | PatrickC: (kk, sorry :)) |
| 04:15.39 | PatrickC | it has dev, home, media, tmp |
| 04:15.40 | PatrickC | :) |
| 04:15.47 | dtzWill | lol! |
| 04:15.51 | dtzWill | well okay ._. |
| 04:16.12 | dtzWill | the chroot, uh, should have lots more than that -.- |
| 04:16.25 | PatrickC | that's what I thought |
| 04:16.27 | dtzWill | offhand can't think of fialure mode that'd produce what you're seeing |
| 04:16.50 | PatrickC | I've uninstalled/reinstalled multiple times |
| 04:16.54 | PatrickC | rebooting in between |
| 04:16.58 | PatrickC | and just recently doctored |
| 04:17.02 | dtzWill | well |
| 04:17.07 | dtzWill | i'm not sure what removing the chroot does |
| 04:17.10 | dtzWill | does it actually nuke the files? |
| 04:17.16 | PatrickC | idk |
| 04:17.36 | PatrickC | I was thinking of nuking the entire ext3fs partition and starting over |
| 04:17.43 | PatrickC | there's nothing on it |
| 04:17.48 | dtzWill | i'd remove the ubuntu package |
| 04:18.02 | dtzWill | rm /media/ext3fs/ubuntu-natty-chroot -rf |
| 04:18.05 | dtzWill | (carefully) |
| 04:18.05 | PatrickC | ok |
| 04:18.08 | dtzWill | and re-install the chroot |
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| 04:18.23 | dtzWill | i think we probably err on /not/ deleting the chroot, not sure. |
| 04:18.28 | PatrickC | ok |
| 04:18.38 | dtzWill | yep |
| 04:18.47 | dtzWill | we don't remove the install chroot, ever, afaict |
| 04:18.52 | dtzWill | so reinstalling doesn't do anything :( |
| 04:18.54 | PatrickC | 1 second.. something seems fishy... |
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| 04:18.59 | dtzWill | mkay |
| 04:19.01 | dtzWill | bbiab, gl |
| 04:19.04 | PatrickC | ok nvm |
| 04:19.07 | PatrickC | false alarm |
| 04:19.10 | PatrickC | ok, thanks! |
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| 04:23.40 | cali2424 | when adding a new feed it tells me that I can't bc its obsolete. How do I fix this |
| 04:24.08 | PatrickC | what feed? |
| 04:24.19 | SineOt | cali2424: read the instructions |
| 04:24.25 | PatrickC | and where does it say that its obsolete? |
| 04:24.31 | PatrickC | hey SineOt |
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| 04:27.43 | cali2424 | I'm new to preware and just wondering if you guys could help me |
| 04:27.59 | SineOt | cali2424: what instructions are you following? |
| 04:28.13 | PatrickC | then we need the feed you are trying to add |
| 04:28.17 | PatrickC | and what SineOt said :) |
| 04:31.02 | cali2424 | Name: webos-testing-all URL: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all |
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| 04:31.48 | PatrickC | read the part in preware where it says the package is obsolete |
| 04:31.48 | PatrickC | and where did you get that link? |
| 04:32.50 | cali2424 | opinionnativereviewer.com is where I got it |
| 04:33.13 | PatrickC | well, that feed *is* obsolete |
| 04:33.38 | PatrickC | follow the instructions |
| 04:34.23 | PatrickC | dtzWill: after deleting the ubuntu-natty-chroot folder, and reinstalling, working perfectly! thanks!! |
| 04:34.42 | actionfigure | cali2424: where are u |
| 04:34.42 | SineOt | cali2424: complain at them for not updating the article and for being part of the problem to begin with |
| 04:35.04 | PatrickC | I'm off to bed guys. night |
| 04:35.17 | SineOt | cali2424: they should have updated the article to point you to testing.preware.org |
| 04:35.34 | SineOt | cali2424: and be sure to actually read all the instructions and warnings |
| 04:36.56 | cali2424 | it says the instruction you are following are obsolete |
| 04:38.48 | SineOt | cali2424: yeah, because the ones on opinionnativereviewer is obsolete |
| 04:39.31 | cali2424 | oh ok. So what do I have to do now |
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| 04:40.04 | SineOt | read testing.preware.org and absorb its message |
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| 05:55.08 | halfhalo | 19.2... that is ze magic number |
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| 06:09.21 | dwc- | kbps? |
| 06:10.46 | halfhalo | 73*19.2=1401.6 |
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| 06:30.11 | dannoz | Stuck at work trying to install preware for a buddy... can't update java... and can't install novacom drivers. Anyother way to install preware? |
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| 06:34.20 | Log1x | http://get.preware.org/ |
| 06:38.37 | destinal | dannoz: not really, not without novacom. you could use a Linux VM in virtualbox or something and install novacom drivers there.. |
| 06:38.38 | dannoz | Thanks anyway... looks like without the ability to install novacom drivers... I'm SOL for the moment |
| 06:39.24 | dannoz | I'll see if I can install virtualbox |
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| 06:40.50 | destinal | dannoz: yeah if you can then you can connect the pre to a virtual usb port with vbox's usb mapping stuff |
| 06:41.36 | destinal | s/the pre/whatever webos device/ |
| 06:41.39 | destinal | :) |
| 06:41.56 | dannoz | cool |
| 06:42.08 | dannoz | May just bring a laptop tomorow night |
| 06:43.26 | destinal | yeah, I've been meaning to see if there are any clever ways to install preware from on-device if devmode is enabled, especially now that we have flash, but haven't found the time |
| 06:43.42 | destinal | I'm sure it would be considered a security hole and everyone would be up in arms of course :) |
| 06:43.56 | dannoz | I haven't found anything... I need preware to get to shell... or I need novacom drivers to install preware |
| 06:45.11 | destinal | yeah, basically someone could potentially write a flash application that connects to the novacom TCP port on localhost and speaks the novacom protocol that way, I think, then sends commands, but I haven't tested the theory and obviously it's non trivial amounts of development |
| 06:45.30 | destinal | mainly since novacom's protocol is tricky and I know almost no flash |
| 06:45.58 | destinal | and even then, no idea if it would work |
| 06:46.50 | destinal | may be easier to write something to crack the cryptofs over usb from a PC and have it perform the install |
| 06:47.42 | destinal | either way just installing novacom from doctor or SDK is so much easier :) |
| 06:47.59 | dannoz | agreed... guess he'll have to wait a few hours ;) |
| 06:48.05 | dannoz | thx for the help |
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| 07:01.41 | dtzWill | hmm, do devices purchased from hp (non-firesale) have a warranty? more directly, would such a warranty cover a screen shattered by dropping it? :3 |
| 07:02.33 | wrea | I would assume the warranty would be there still |
| 07:02.43 | wrea | What device did you drop? |
| 07:03.32 | dtzWill | a veer |
| 07:04.09 | dtzWill | incidentally, took case off my touchpad for first time in....pretty much since i purchased it, and it's suffering from cracking by speakers. lame, but not as pressing as the veer's issue, heh |
| 07:04.41 | wrea | When you send in your veer, make sure it's going to the right place |
| 07:05.09 | dtzWill | well it comes with limited warranty according to what came in the box; seems doesn't include cracked LCD |
| 07:05.15 | wrea | Cupport sent me an email of instructions and the address to send it to....it was the wrong one |
| 07:05.17 | wrea | Ouch |
| 07:05.26 | dtzWill | might call hp regardless and see what's up, shrug |
| 07:05.39 | dtzWill | kinda feel like since they don't make them anymore they'd be less than inclined to field repair requests anyway |
| 07:05.40 | dtzWill | xD |
| 07:06.05 | wrea | I sent mine in for a cluster of dead/stuck pixels |
| 07:07.17 | wrea | One day I might get it back |
| 07:08.56 | dtzWill | :(:( |
| 07:09.26 | wrea | Yeah, needless to say they have the worst support ever |
| 07:09.36 | Habbie | quite uncommon for warranty to cover dropping by customer |
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| 07:11.13 | dtzWill | yeah, i never have really checked before |
| 07:11.21 | dtzWill | never broken a device thusly for |
| 07:11.27 | dtzWill | and still haven't ;) but now someone i konw has heh |
| 07:11.36 | wrea | dtzWill, I did end up getting kismet packaged up |
| 07:12.12 | dtzWill | excellent! |
| 07:12.47 | Log1x | is there pictures anywhere of the cracks? is it like blatantly just cracking out at the bottom? or on the speakers |
| 07:12.51 | Log1x | i read about the problem, mine hasn't had it yet |
| 07:13.08 | Log1x | and i usually take it in/out of the case and do whatever with it..haven't been too careful but now thats on my mind when i mess with it lol |
| 07:13.17 | wrea | I'm just running into issues with host mode or else I could have tested it |
| 07:13.19 | Log1x | since apparently hp isn't replacing them anymore |
| 07:14.09 | wrea | Need to make a aftermarket carbon fiber replacement |
| 07:14.44 | dtzWill | Log1x: heh, yeah there were pics on p|c i think previously...haven't looked into it since just noticed mine and crazy messed up veer got attention priority :) |
| 07:17.35 | Log1x | =[ |
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| 07:18.43 | dtzWill | bah, why didn't i save the tokens for the att device i gutted all that time ago.... >.< |
| 07:19.13 | dwc- | destinal: afaik, flash can't send arbitrary data to any port... |
| 07:19.21 | dtzWill | would be good short-term replacement for busted veer, but don't have tokens x.x |
| 07:19.35 | dwc- | I was evaluating flash-based irc clients some time ago, and they all needed a gateway running on a server |
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| 07:27.16 | dtzWill | lol i can just steal the screen from the pixi, right guys? right? xD |
| 07:27.36 | LunohoD | dtzWill: is there any sdl-based application for tp with gesture recongition? |
| 07:27.52 | dtzWill | LunohoD: not that i'm aware of; if you find one and remember please let me know :) |
| 07:28.25 | LunohoD | ;) |
| 07:31.33 | LunohoD | hm, there is gesture support in SDL, but it's not included in the WebOS build |
| 07:33.22 | dtzWill | yeah, downside to a general library like SDL as what we dev against versus like what's provided on other platforms |
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| 07:41.28 | destinal | dwc-: hmm, bummer, I thought they could |
| 07:42.11 | destinal | Log1x: uh, they're not replacing them? What about factory warranty? |
| 07:42.37 | destinal | I don't think you can just not replace them |
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| 07:47.47 | Log1x | for the cracks, apparently not anymore according to people on precentral/xda |
| 07:51.52 | destinal | Log1x: from what I read those are a manufacturing defect, I think HP could end up in some big trouble here.. |
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| 08:04.16 | ziplock503 | anyone have luck pairing a PS3 controller to the TP? android can do it |
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| 08:48.09 | Douilspee | hi |
| 08:48.23 | Douilspee | how to acces networks disks and play media from there ? |
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| 09:15.09 | LunohoD | what should I choose for my pdf viewer, OPENGL or SWSURFACE? |
| 09:16.07 | LunohoD | i've read that direct memcpy to the framebuffer could be faster than uploading the texture |
| 09:16.43 | LunohoD | but stretching and moving the image should be faster with opengl, imho |
| 09:20.04 | dtzWill | LunohoD: the exact two comments i would make, and you are seeing your limitations |
| 09:20.11 | dtzWill | i would say opengl |
| 09:20.14 | dtzWill | pdf's are ratthherrr static content |
| 09:21.42 | dtzWill | but in general blitting straight to fb is much faster |
| 09:22.26 | dtzWill | that said, last time i benchmarked it (~1.4.5, biased by the limitations of my implementation which especially given my newness at the time are..probably significant) sending as texture and then rendering /that/ was faster |
| 09:22.51 | dtzWill | but i suspect that's because i had a large non-blitting cpu load as well, and so async was goodness. |
| 09:23.02 | dtzWill | (as you can tell, never bothered to isolate exactly why) |
| 09:23.26 | dtzWill | however, if you mmap the framebuffer and memcpy right onto it (like what it seems yuo were suggesting) that's the fastest i've been able to get |
| 09:23.52 | dtzWill | that said, i'm unclear as to why you'd be super concerned about blitting speed anyway, but i've never implemented a pdf viewer before :) |
| 09:24.36 | dtzWill | (naively it seems uploading the pdf as textures (w/mipmaps or whatever) and just letting gl do all the work seems the easiest) |
| 09:25.13 | dtzWill | oh dear god i overanswered your question something fierce. i blame the time of night (4:30am local) |
| 09:25.21 | LunohoD | ;) |
| 09:25.54 | dtzWill | not that mmap'ing the fb is not in any capacity supported and i don't think would be allowed in the app cat (haven't checked though?) |
| 09:26.09 | dtzWill | but if you go that route ping me because misc things i've played with there might be useful |
| 09:26.42 | Douilspee | no samba client for touchpad ??? |
| 09:26.44 | dtzWill | anyway, the only other concern is plain sdl is a lot easier for basic things than opengl |
| 09:26.51 | dtzWill | and that can be a significant factor hehe :) |
| 09:27.28 | dtzWill | Douilspee: nopes, but if you're so inclined/ambitious various kernels from preware support it, coupled with misc userspace tools installed from...well i don't remember. |
| 09:27.41 | dtzWill | would be slick if someone wrapped that up neatly into a nice touchpad interface :D |
| 09:28.07 | Douilspee | dtzWill: uberkernel is the only anwser on preware for samba and cifs |
| 09:28.18 | dtzWill | yep, there's your kernel support |
| 09:28.27 | dtzWill | as for userspace tools.. i don't know. might be in optware? |
| 09:28.32 | Douilspee | ty for info i'll search on google instead of app manager/preware :) |
| 09:28.48 | dtzWill | search order: preware, irc, google |
| 09:28.48 | dtzWill | ;) |
| 09:28.59 | Douilspee | ya :) |
| 09:32.36 | Douilspee | http://www.aeonity.com/frost/setup-network-streaming-hp-touchpad with chroot |
| 09:38.18 | dtzWill | lol what: "sshfs yields much better performance over samba" |
| 09:38.18 | dtzWill | :( |
| 09:38.26 | dtzWill | what is going wrong there |
| 09:38.46 | Habbie | if i had to guess, different prefetching defaults |
| 09:39.07 | dtzWill | huh. crazy. |
| 09:39.26 | dtzWill | and touchplayer used there--that... can't take advantage of gpu-accel'd decoding, right? |
| 09:39.52 | dtzWill | yeah |
| 09:39.58 | dtzWill | ffmpeg wrapper |
| 09:40.00 | Habbie | i don't know what touchplayer is |
| 09:40.00 | Habbie | ah |
| 09:40.03 | dtzWill | good to have, though |
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| 09:50.39 | dtzWill | LWJGL 2.8.0 released yesterday: http://lwjgl.org/forum/index.php/topic,4222.0.html |
| 09:51.04 | dtzWill | contains opengl-es support, kinda |
| 09:51.20 | dtzWill | but might be good for those java-based 3d applications >_> <_< :) |
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| 09:52.17 | dtzWill | oh, apparently http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Minecraft is way ahead of me on that front anyway. whoopsy |
| 09:52.50 | dtzWill | hope it's not blocking on GLX x11 support >_> xD |
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| 12:48.20 | hape | Douilspee: it should work without a chroot. sshfs is in beta feeds on Preware. So you only need a terminal |
| 12:48.56 | Douilspee | i mhi |
| 12:48.59 | Douilspee | hi |
| 12:49.27 | Douilspee | ok i'mm test beta |
| 12:49.32 | hape | dtzWill: No sleep tonight ? |
| 12:49.57 | Douilspee | -mm + ll |
| 12:50.24 | hape | Douilspee: I have to thank you. I had no idea that sshfs exists. Nice why to get a connect to the server for file access |
| 12:50.35 | Douilspee | np |
| 12:50.47 | hape | I still used scp |
| 12:50.55 | hape | until now ;-) |
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| 13:06.09 | hape | technikfreak: ? |
| 13:07.05 | technikfreak | haha i am a german use rbut the irc client is on a server which has an english keyboard layout |
| 13:07.30 | technikfreak | instead of /.... i maked &..... |
| 13:17.43 | LunohoD | US layout is superior |
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| 13:37.07 | naoko | Hey guys, how would you go about adding an option to bring up the TouchPad's virtual keyboard within an application (besides a textbox) |
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| 13:52.04 | PatrickC | wondering if its worth it yet.. |
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| 14:11.27 | GarthPS | hi. does the WIDK deals with pre 2 device ? |
| 14:12.02 | GarthPS | as doawnloaded doctors does note mention the one for pre2? |
| 14:12.55 | GarthPS | Plus, is it forced to install the WIDK in /srv ? can it be put somewhere else ? |
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| 20:03.11 | jtrucks | hmm. |
| 20:03.28 | jtrucks | I wish the keyboard had .gov in the list of the popup when you hold the .com virtual key :( |
| 20:03.33 | jtrucks | is that easy to fix? |
| 20:04.36 | dwc- | just learned something new :P |
| 20:04.50 | jtrucks | ? |
| 20:04.56 | dwc- | that you could hold down that key |
| 20:05.00 | jtrucks | oh heh |
| 20:05.03 | jtrucks | it's very handy :) |
| 20:05.09 | jtrucks | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.12 | dwc- | I see the one on the left is also holdable |
| 20:05.16 | jtrucks | it'd rock to be extra lazy |
| 20:05.33 | jtrucks | oh, TIL you can hold that key, too. |
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| 20:06.05 | jtrucks | wow. same with the punctuation near by... and ltos of other keys |
| 20:06.41 | dwc- | I knew about the others... I think when I learned about holding the keys down, it was in a non-browser type app so there was no .com etc |
| 20:06.46 | dwc- | any of the ones with the "..." |
| 20:06.56 | jtrucks | hold down any one of them and then you see the elipsis on it if it has exta ones. |
| 20:06.59 | jtrucks | didn't know that. |
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| 21:28.45 | GarthPS | do we have to install the WIDK in /srv ? can it be put somewhere else ? |
| 21:29.13 | wrea | Should be fine anywhere |
| 21:35.57 | PatrickC | anyone get Adobe Air working on the ubuntu chroot? |
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| 21:43.48 | Exiles | PatrickC: i highly doubt it |
| 21:43.56 | PatrickC | why not? |
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| 21:46.23 | Exiles | because i don't they theres a arm build for linux |
| 21:46.36 | PatrickC | ah.. forgot about the arm build |
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| 21:53.29 | qsfoak | can CarrierNetworkSettings.db3 be modified on the pre 3 running webos 2.2.0 ? |
| 21:55.16 | dwc- | I have no pre3 running 2.2.0, but ...what do you need to modify? |
| 21:55.53 | dwc- | the APN/MMS settings should be changeable in the UI |
| 21:58.12 | qsfoak | i am trying to get 3g connectivity with speakout wireless in canada |
| 21:58.36 | dwc- | do you know what settings to use? |
| 21:58.43 | qsfoak | i entered the apn settings into the UI.. but it says invalid apn setings |
| 21:59.01 | qsfoak | yes |
| 22:00.02 | qsfoak | apn: goam.com / user: wapuser1 / pw: wap / proxy: 10.128.1.69 / port: 80 |
| 22:00.46 | qsfoak | where are you from dwc ? |
| 22:01.17 | dwc- | the US |
| 22:01.45 | dwc- | I've adjusted my APN settings on tmobile and it's worked mostly fine, but sometimes it seems a little finicky about taking the manual settings |
| 22:01.50 | dwc- | even though I know they're right |
| 22:02.29 | halfhalo | if its a uk pre3 then theres also the whole 900/850mhz thing |
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| 22:03.11 | qsfoak | dwc, did you adjust in gui or did you have manually edit a file ? |
| 22:03.14 | dwc- | gui |
| 22:03.22 | dwc- | every time I've reset the phone |
| 22:03.40 | dwc- | when it asks, you can try "use these settings anyways" and reboot or something and see if it works |
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| 22:04.31 | dwc- | failing that, I might suggest asking about the correct settings on howardforums, they people there are generally pretty knowledgeable about that sort of thing |
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| 22:04.51 | qsfoak | i am wondering if the problem is the proxy |
| 22:06.22 | qsfoak | http://digitalunlock.com/webos/carrierdb/index.html |
| 22:06.42 | qsfoak | it is a carrierb.json generator for the hp veer |
| 22:07.51 | dwc- | knows not what all those settings should be |
| 22:09.01 | qsfoak | tmobile is a popular carrier choice for the pre3 |
| 22:09.10 | qsfoak | do they have the best plans ? |
| 22:09.24 | halfhalo | heh |
| 22:14.45 | qsfoak | last night i tried to touch a website to share between my pre3 and tpad, but i couldn't get it connected |
| 22:14.55 | qsfoak | i was drunk.. and almost broke my touchpad glass trying |
| 22:17.54 | qsfoak | i was drinking for the tragedy of palm and webos |
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| 23:35.34 | jrabbit | qsfoak: hahah |
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