| 00:06.24 | sushiserf | ok help |
| 00:06.25 | sushiserf | D: |
| 00:06.45 | sushiserf | i uncommented the line marked EXT3FS_PARTITION_SIZE = 2GB |
| 00:06.54 | sushiserf | and i chanced the 2 to an 8 |
| 00:10.31 | destinal | nickpacnakes: I haven't done so with touchpad but probably impostah would be how to log in with palm profile later |
| 00:11.02 | destinal | or whatever they're calling that account these days :) |
| 00:12.29 | nickpacnakes | yeah thats what bpadalino said as well, looks like it worked. |
| 00:12.30 | nickpacnakes | thanks |
| 00:12.31 | sushiserf | the mount -a command is still not working |
| 00:14.39 | sushiserf | :o? |
| 00:25.10 | spotter | rwhitby, in the toolchain installation stuff, why don't you use configure --prefix=.... instead of basically doing the make install manually |
| 00:37.22 | sushiserf | uh |
| 00:37.27 | sushiserf | can i ask for a change to make to the wiki? |
| 00:39.02 | bpadalino | what's the change ? |
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| 00:42.10 | tmzt | webkit doesn't really have anything to do with networking or certificates, it uses one of many hook network libraries so the configuration would depend on which of those was in use |
| 00:42.20 | tmzt | strings on the webkit lib should tell you |
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| 00:58.29 | Abyssul-TP | No way to change voltage of TP in Govnah? Booo :-( |
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| 01:02.51 | oil | govnah is not what determines what can be changed |
| 01:03.00 | oil | its the kernel |
| 01:04.40 | uNiXpSyChO | his kernels has the ability |
| 01:05.07 | rrix | sushiserf: Just make the change |
| 01:05.12 | rrix | That's what wikis are for |
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| 01:09.01 | PuffTheMagic | Abyssul-TP, when i get around to adding projects, there will be a way to add a "build/run" command to the project |
| 01:09.13 | rwhitby | spotter: which particular file are you talking about? in general we don't rebuild toolchains. |
| 01:09.41 | Abyssul-TP | PuffTheMagic: just curious if it was on ur todo list. What languages will itnsupport |
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| 01:10.09 | PuffTheMagic | Abyssul-TP, the build/run command would be sh |
| 01:10.09 | spotter | rwhitby, nm, I figured it out |
| 01:10.32 | PuffTheMagic | Abyssul-TP, Tide supports highlighting for lots of langs though |
| 01:11.01 | Abyssul-TP | Sh? Like the script file? |
| 01:11.29 | spotter | though, not completely |
| 01:11.35 | spotter | having a problem rebuilding gstreamer |
| 01:11.47 | PuffTheMagic | Abyssul-TP, idk yet as i havent gotten there, whhy? |
| 01:12.38 | Abyssul-TP | Just curious. Would be nice to use my TP to compile some simple C++ programs |
| 01:14.17 | spotter | glib prefix is bad for its pkgconfig file |
| 01:15.58 | PuffTheMagic | Absurd-, well its not gonna be a complete shell, but if u had amake file.... |
| 01:16.04 | Abyssul-TP | Uberkernel can on the Pre2 thats why i asked. |
| 01:16.08 | PuffTheMagic | it would definately support something like running make |
| 01:16.35 | Abyssul-TP | PuffTheMagic: not to big of a deal for me. |
| 01:16.35 | rwhitby | Abyssul-TP: yep, and when touchpad voltage modifications are well tested on the touchpad then the touchpad uberkernel will too |
| 01:17.43 | rwhitby | spotter: any improvements on glib staging would be appreciated. what's there was just to get something working, not considered complete or perfect |
| 01:17.56 | Abyssul-TP | Hehe, should i be able to lower the system voltage of a pre2 to the lowest setting stable? Its working so far for me. |
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| 01:19.59 | sushiserf | can i ask for a change to make to the wiki? > this page |
| 01:20.05 | sushiserf | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#How_to_get_the_optional_ext3fs_partition_mounted_at_device_boot |
| 01:20.19 | sushiserf | i tihnk i might be better if a makefile was ... set up for more simplicity and functionality. |
| 01:20.47 | sushiserf | oh wait nvm |
| 01:20.59 | sushiserf | i keep forgetting that webos isnt just hte touchpad |
| 01:21.00 | destinal | sushiserf: it's a wiki, you can edit it :) |
| 01:21.01 | sushiserf | nvm |
| 01:21.12 | Abyssul-TP | Yeah, edit yourself |
| 01:21.35 | sushiserf | i keep forgetting that webos isnt just hte touchpad - was going to make changes that pertained to the tp |
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| 01:38.31 | spotter | rwhitby, 1) the pkgconfig is prefixed to /opt 2) when I try to compile gstreamer it seems to be pulling in from my /usr unsure why |
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| 01:46.11 | Jack87 | I wish I could use my pre keyboard on TP via BT |
| 01:47.15 | sushiserf | qusetion |
| 01:47.18 | sushiserf | what is the root password |
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| 01:54.04 | bpadalino | sushiserf: there is none? |
| 01:56.23 | spotter | #2 seems to be my fault, #1 is an issue in the toolchain though |
| 01:57.38 | bpadalino | did you install stuff using optware ? |
| 02:01.04 | rwhitby | spotter: issue with the toolchain or the build of glib? the glib in the toolchain directory is a quick hack repackaging of glib from optware, it is not built from scratch. It's basically just to get the headers and some libraries to dummy-link against, since any apps will use the real glib libraries on the device. |
| 02:02.47 | spotter | rwhitby, example |
| 02:02.49 | spotter | libgobject-2.0.la:dependency_libs=' -L/home/slug/optware/pre/staging/opt/lib /opt/lib/libglib-2.0.la' |
| 02:02.56 | spotter | so libtool will fail |
| 02:03.03 | spotter | unless setup exactly like that |
| 02:03.05 | rwhitby | spotter: yeah, those .la files are from the optware build |
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| 02:03.25 | rwhitby | they should be removed, or someone should update the toolchain/glib to build from scratch and set prefix correctly |
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| 02:03.49 | spotter | but curl which is built from it, also is messed up |
| 02:03.54 | spotter | or so I think |
| 02:03.55 | spotter | # Directory that this library needs to be installed in: |
| 02:03.55 | spotter | libdir='/usr/local/lib |
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| 02:04.21 | wrea | I made a pcre package for kismet and then found out there was already one available. |
| 02:04.24 | rwhitby | optware is http://www.optware-project.org/ from which a lot of this stuff comes when we need a quick fix solution |
| 02:04.41 | rwhitby | spotter: suggestions on how to make it all work better are very welcome |
| 02:04.41 | spotter | i think its a good idea to have a proper toolchain |
| 02:05.23 | rwhitby | spotter: I fully agree. this stuff was put in there for the wIRC build. it should be redone properly. |
| 02:05.25 | spotter | working on it |
| 02:05.34 | spotter | or somewhat at least |
| 02:05.37 | wrea | rwhitby, the ipkg used to build pcre is missing |
| 02:05.40 | spotter | might take me time |
| 02:05.58 | rwhitby | spotter: no hurry from me. good solutions always take time. |
| 02:06.12 | wrea | went to build it here and 404'd on me |
| 02:06.33 | rwhitby | wrea: what's the url ? |
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| 02:08.18 | wrea | rwhitby, http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/pre/cross/unstable/pcre_8.00-1_arm.ipk |
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| 02:09.40 | rwhitby | hmm - dunno where that's gone. will need to ask ka6sox-away about that one |
| 02:09.57 | tmzt | rwhitby: can I have the link for the toolchain? |
| 02:10.16 | rwhitby | tmzt: it's in the webos-internals build makefiles |
| 02:10.23 | rwhitby | should just work |
| 02:11.55 | tmzt | found it |
| 02:11.58 | tmzt | thanks |
| 02:14.09 | wrea | rwhitby, just curious as to using optware vs being built from scratch. |
| 02:14.20 | wrea | easy and quick? |
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| 02:14.43 | rwhitby | wrea: in general, we've just used optware stuff as a quick bootstrap. we'd like to build stuff from scratch where it makes sense. |
| 02:15.26 | oclet | is there a prob if i set a root pw |
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| 02:30.04 | Jack87 | ping anyone |
| 02:30.12 | Jack87 | is it just no talking or am I not really connected |
| 02:30.20 | summatusmentis | you're connected |
| 02:31.35 | Jack87 | summatusmentis: thanks! good to know lol |
| 02:31.46 | Jack87 | I wonder what's with all the tumble weeds up in here |
| 02:32.05 | summatusmentis | not all channels are always active, all the time |
| 02:32.20 | summatusmentis | afa |
| 02:32.26 | Jack87 | hehe ya I guess |
| 02:32.30 | summatusmentis | err, sorry |
| 02:33.00 | Jack87 | well just a PSA.... I just got $373 back from Costco for my touchpad.. they are finally offering price adjustments |
| 02:34.09 | Jack87 | my brother had to get a manager... but for me the person I used to work with did mine and I was the first one he had done |
| 02:34.44 | Jack87 | so.. my guess is they are still turning people away even though they shouldn't be. so if that's the case you just have to ask for a manager. |
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| 03:23.26 | Abyssul | Is it still required to delete your backup prior to metadoctoring to a frankenpre2? |
| 03:31.36 | gyrojoe | so I was running the Emergency File Verification yesterday, and it was complaining that the flashplayer.so file was modified |
| 03:31.47 | gyrojoe | it's patched with Hulu Fix |
| 03:33.30 | gyrojoe | will that be an issue if and when another update comes out? |
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| 03:34.25 | Abyssul | Depends if they updated the flashplayer.so |
| 03:34.34 | Abyssul | update* |
| 03:35.35 | gyrojoe | are the updates usually applied as a diff? |
| 03:35.50 | Abyssul | Something like that |
| 03:36.15 | Abyssul | More complicated that that, but it doesnt send a 300mb OS over. |
| 03:37.19 | gyrojoe | I hope the flash player gets updated - they need to fix that autostart bug |
| 03:37.43 | Abyssul | What bug |
| 03:37.53 | gyrojoe | autostart is pref is busted |
| 03:38.29 | gyrojoe | there's no reference to the string in the binary at all |
| 03:38.35 | gyrojoe | 2.1 plugin has it |
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| 03:39.04 | Abyssul | Oh. Turning it off doesnt do anything? I think I remember hearing that |
| 03:39.19 | gyrojoe | yep |
| 03:39.29 | gyrojoe | Adblock has mostly removed the need for it though |
| 03:39.43 | gyrojoe | it sucks that the pref is implemented IN the plugin |
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| 03:39.54 | gyrojoe | that means it's still getting loaded into memory |
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| 03:44.46 | gyrojoe | there we go, basic auth support for downloads in the browser |
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| 03:47.47 | Abyssul | link? |
| 03:47.56 | gyrojoe | uploading it, hold on |
| 03:50.00 | gyrojoe | http://forums.precentral.net/3146709-post26.html |
| 03:50.25 | gyrojoe | it's combined with my patch to support cookies for downloads right now |
| 03:50.33 | gyrojoe | not really dependent though |
| 03:52.37 | Viral_Weaponry | question here |
| 03:52.42 | gyrojoe | hmmm, Veer, to buy or not to buy |
| 03:53.29 | Viral_Weaponry | my preware disappeared from my touchpad and i cant find it anymore on my webos quick install |
| 03:53.42 | Viral_Weaponry | any of you have an answer to this? |
| 03:54.14 | gyrojoe | reinstall it? |
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| 03:56.37 | Viral_Weaponry | im trying but it doesnt show on Web OSQuickinstall 4.2.3 |
| 03:57.55 | gyrojoe | that's an old version |
| 03:58.09 | Abyssul | So now I can download from Dropbox? :p |
| 03:58.38 | gyrojoe | Abyssul: I dunno, let me try it |
| 03:58.54 | gyrojoe | Google Docs works now |
| 03:58.59 | Abyssul | I know before it would just didnt understand what I wanted to do |
| 03:59.09 | Abyssul | (from the dropbox website, not any app) |
| 03:59.52 | Abyssul | "Unable to run command: /sbin/initctl start .org.webosinternals.xterm 2>&1 unknown job" |
| 03:59.55 | Abyssul | stupid xterm |
| 04:00.19 | Viral_Weaponry | weird, it doesnt show only on my touchpad, with my wifes touchpad shows preware on WebOSQuickinstall |
| 04:00.40 | gyrojoe | is preware already installed on it? |
| 04:00.43 | gyrojoe | that may be why |
| 04:01.04 | Viral_Weaponry | was installed on it |
| 04:01.10 | Viral_Weaponry | suddenly disappeared |
| 04:01.34 | gyrojoe | Abyssul: yes - you can download from Dropbox's site now |
| 04:01.39 | gyrojoe | downloaded an 8 MB pdf |
| 04:01.59 | gyrojoe | time to visit the doctor |
| 04:02.24 | Viral_Weaponry | noooo lol |
| 04:02.33 | Viral_Weaponry | didnt wanted to erase it :( |
| 04:02.37 | gyrojoe | not you |
| 04:02.38 | gyrojoe | me |
| 04:02.43 | Viral_Weaponry | oh lol |
| 04:02.56 | rwhitby | Viral_Weaponry: use one of the other installation methods on http://install.preware.org/ |
| 04:03.15 | oclet | whats some good preware |
| 04:03.20 | oclet | for tp |
| 04:03.30 | Viral_Weaponry | i tried with PrewareInstaller same directory as webdocor jar and failed |
| 04:04.36 | Viral_Weaponry | its arm right? |
| 04:04.40 | rwhitby | Viral_Weaponry: yes |
| 04:04.51 | rwhitby | Viral_Weaponry: you can use the bootstrap method over the WOSQI command line |
| 04:04.55 | gyrojoe | oclet: Browser Power Swipe :P |
| 04:05.18 | rwhitby | Viral_Weaponry: or install the SDK and use palm-install |
| 04:05.26 | oclet | yeah i have tha tone |
| 04:05.32 | Viral_Weaponry | ill try that one right now |
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| 04:06.58 | gyrojoe | oclet: Ad block, open mail into folder list by default, Internalz |
| 04:08.43 | Abyssul | Meh. Browser power swipe is annoying when it moves the webpage with it |
| 04:08.55 | Abyssul | we need that system wide though |
| 04:09.36 | gyrojoe | you mean like this? http://forums.precentral.net/3147217-post32.html |
| 04:09.44 | gyrojoe | all Mojo apps at least |
| 04:10.07 | gyrojoe | works with Preware, Internalz, etc |
| 04:13.51 | gyrojoe | Abyssul: if you have an idea to fix it to not move tha page though, go ahead |
| 04:18.40 | Viral_Weaponry | lol tried all the ways and nothing |
| 04:18.55 | Viral_Weaponry | it looks like its intalled but doesnt show |
| 04:19.14 | rwhitby | have you tried a reboot of the device? |
| 04:19.47 | Viral_Weaponry | tried via novaterm and the command line and it says it ok and nothing |
| 04:19.54 | Viral_Weaponry | i did like 3 reboots |
| 04:20.01 | Abyssul | gyrojoe, for the browser though. Couldn't it detect if there are two fingers on the screen an d halt any page movement? |
| 04:20.14 | Viral_Weaponry | could it be because the partitions i made for the android build? |
| 04:20.17 | Abyssul | of course that would run intp problems with pinch and zoom |
| 04:20.22 | Viral_Weaponry | thats the only thing i did on my touchpad |
| 04:20.40 | Viral_Weaponry | which differentiate it from my wifes touchpad |
| 04:20.47 | gyrojoe | Abyssul: the problem is that is being handled natively, in the browser control |
| 04:21.07 | Abyssul | For shame |
| 04:21.22 | gyrojoe | Viral_Weaponry: watch it with the-os-the-must-not-be-named, check the topic |
| 04:21.23 | Abyssul | Oh well. Id never use it in the browser even if it worked properly |
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| 04:21.46 | Viral_Weaponry | oh im sorry |
| 04:22.10 | Viral_Weaponry | so the only thing i did was some partitions, just that |
| 04:22.26 | Abyssul | gyrojoe, patch installed with no error. Luna restarting |
| 04:22.27 | Viral_Weaponry | i can install all the stuff with webos quick install |
| 04:22.34 | PatrickC_TP | what's up Viral_Weaponry? |
| 04:22.38 | Viral_Weaponry | but not the preware itself |
| 04:23.10 | PatrickC_TP | did you use the AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE in the meta-doctor? |
| 04:23.26 | Viral_Weaponry | yup |
| 04:23.42 | PatrickC_TP | did you read what it does and what can happen first? |
| 04:23.48 | Viral_Weaponry | tried even selecting the ipk manually from the quick install |
| 04:24.08 | PatrickC_TP | did you follow the instructions to fix it? |
| 04:24.08 | Viral_Weaponry | can happen about what? |
| 04:24.30 | PatrickC_TP | when you use the AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE switch |
| 04:24.30 | Abyssul | Power swipe doesnt bring back to card view |
| 04:24.32 | Viral_Weaponry | which instructions? |
| 04:24.39 | PatrickC_TP | in the MAKEFILE |
| 04:24.53 | gyrojoe | Abyssul: yea - it only works at Stage level |
| 04:25.08 | Abyssul | Not a big deal |
| 04:25.17 | Abyssul | Just keep me from hunting for that back button |
| 04:25.26 | Viral_Weaponry | u mean the preware installer.jar? |
| 04:25.28 | Abyssul | up swipe is for card view |
| 04:25.33 | PatrickC_TP | hey Abyssul: did the facebook exhibition patch ever get pushed? |
| 04:25.37 | gyrojoe | again, it's a native vs. not thing |
| 04:25.40 | PatrickC_TP | Viral_Weaponry: did you use a meta doctor? |
| 04:25.56 | Abyssul | PatrickC_TP, ummm I dont think so |
| 04:26.09 | Viral_Weaponry | i used it once |
| 04:26.15 | Abyssul | I never submitted it since it requires you to change the images for it to look decent |
| 04:26.34 | Abyssul | Though the scrim patches are similar in that regard |
| 04:26.43 | PatrickC_TP | Viral_Weaponry: when you did it, did you uncomment the AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE part? |
| 04:26.50 | PatrickC_TP | Abyssul: yeah |
| 04:26.51 | Abyssul | gyrojoe, can you make the up swipe more sensitive? |
| 04:27.06 | Viral_Weaponry | guess not |
| 04:27.24 | rwhitby | Viral_Weaponry: how did you originally install Preware ? |
| 04:28.21 | Viral_Weaponry | with the quick install |
| 04:28.48 | rwhitby | Viral_Weaponry: have you looked at the troubleshooting section of the WOSQI guide in the app catalog ? |
| 04:29.09 | Viral_Weaponry | nope |
| 04:29.16 | gyrojoe | Abyssul: it's in ther kernel I think |
| 04:29.30 | rwhitby | Viral_Weaponry: you should look there first, and then go to the corresponding forum thread. |
| 04:29.54 | rwhitby | we recommend following http://bit.ly/phd-ac for Preware installation, not instructions from some other site. |
| 04:29.56 | Abyssul | gyrojoe, mmk. Just saw you edit the mojo framework with that last patch |
| 04:30.08 | Framework | I saw it too |
| 04:30.20 | Viral_Weaponry | im at the preware site following those instrucionts |
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| 04:30.27 | Viral_Weaponry | instructions* |
| 04:30.31 | rwhitby | ok |
| 04:30.57 | rwhitby | well, you have at least 4 options there, and you're saying none of them work? If so, you need to doctor and start again. |
| 04:31.32 | Viral_Weaponry | damn Gods hate me! |
| 04:31.37 | sushiserf | um |
| 04:31.38 | sushiserf | help |
| 04:31.41 | gyrojoe | Abyssul: yes, it adds a global handler to each scene to detect the gesture |
| 04:31.41 | sushiserf | sorry |
| 04:31.45 | Viral_Weaponry | lol ok thnx then |
| 04:31.48 | rwhitby | Viral_Weaponry: it's punishment for trying to replace webOS ;) |
| 04:31.53 | gyrojoe | haha |
| 04:31.54 | sushiserf | how do i create a new user in the terminal world |
| 04:31.56 | Viral_Weaponry | LOL! |
| 04:32.07 | sushiserf | like through useradd |
| 04:32.10 | Abyssul | So much work over Preware installation |
| 04:32.28 | Abyssul | gyrojoe, you should ask for some bounty for that patch :p |
| 04:32.40 | Viral_Weaponry | thank you very much guys |
| 04:32.43 | Abyssul | Be like, pay up peeps |
| 04:32.50 | Viral_Weaponry | i guess ill doctor the hell out of this |
| 04:32.52 | PatrickC_TP | Anyssul: what patch? |
| 04:33.08 | Abyssul | adds back swipe to any mojo scene |
| 04:33.15 | Abyssul | with two finger power swipe |
| 04:33.24 | PatrickC_TP | touchpad??? |
| 04:33.25 | PatrickC_TP | awesome |
| 04:33.32 | Abyssul | Mojo only mind you |
| 04:33.42 | Abyssul | Enyo doesnt really need it |
| 04:33.55 | PatrickC_TP | yeah |
| 04:33.58 | PatrickC_TP | yeah |
| 04:34.12 | PatrickC_TP | wasn't there a patch like that for the browser too? |
| 04:34.14 | Abyssul | Wait... this makes 2.x apps easier to port to TP resolution |
| 04:34.27 | PatrickC_TP | yeap |
| 04:34.29 | Abyssul | Just change the Uirevision and the back button is taken care of |
| 04:34.40 | Abyssul | Instead of adding it manually like we've been doing |
| 04:35.05 | Abyssul | Assuming the apps scale properly |
| 04:35.38 | PatrickC_TP | well, what do you need to do/add to the app to make this work? |
| 04:35.50 | gyrojoe | Abyssul: I already wrote it - you can't have a post patch bounty :P |
| 04:36.07 | Abyssul | add the uiRevision attribute to the app json file of your choice |
| 04:36.12 | Abyssul | and set that value to 2 |
| 04:36.32 | gyrojoe | there's a thread where people are HDifying apps |
| 04:36.44 | Abyssul | Yeah but it only has like 5 apps |
| 04:36.49 | PatrickC_TP | Abyssul: I know that. but to make the powerswipe work |
| 04:36.59 | Abyssul | Nothing? Just install the app |
| 04:37.04 | Abyssul | Patch, not app |
| 04:37.07 | PatrickC_TP | ah |
| 04:37.10 | sushiserf | how do i create a new user in the terminal world |
| 04:37.10 | PatrickC_TP | so you need a patch |
| 04:37.11 | sushiserf | like through useradd |
| 04:37.15 | Abyssul | It works globally for any mojo scene |
| 04:37.22 | PatrickC_TP | what file(s) do/does the patch change? |
| 04:37.30 | PatrickC_TP | maybe it could be packaged with the app? |
| 04:37.30 | Abyssul | mojo framework |
| 04:37.32 | gyrojoe | mojo framework |
| 04:37.43 | PatrickC_TP | ahh |
| 04:37.54 | gyrojoe | PatrickC_TP: yes, it's possible if you add the listener to all scenes |
| 04:38.03 | Abyssul | Which seems like a pain |
| 04:38.10 | Abyssul | when its best to just add it globally |
| 04:38.12 | PatrickC_TP | and then the patch wouldn't be needed? |
| 04:39.00 | gyrojoe | for that app it wouldn't |
| 04:39.00 | Abyssul | The patch would just be composed down into an app specific patch... |
| 04:39.00 | PatrickC_TP | cause, for people who *don't* have the patch, and install the app.. won't be able to go back |
| 04:39.24 | Abyssul | You can't modify the app files yourself and then package it up and redistribute it though |
| 04:39.41 | Abyssul | Unless the author gives you permission |
| 04:39.43 | PatrickC_TP | I'm talking about if I was to do it in my app.. |
| 04:39.48 | Abyssul | Oh, yeah |
| 04:39.53 | PatrickC_TP | :) |
| 04:39.56 | Abyssul | Then you could just do that |
| 04:40.03 | Abyssul | but why code in mojo? |
| 04:40.09 | PatrickC_TP | for porting |
| 04:40.17 | gyrojoe | universal apps? |
| 04:40.40 | PatrickC_TP | well, I would go the route more of a fat-packed app for that |
| 04:41.13 | PatrickC_TP | I'm working on helping a dev port a mojo app to touchpad (still gonna be mojo for now) but this might be a nice added touch :) |
| 04:41.44 | gyrojoe | need to teach the users though |
| 04:42.00 | PatrickC_TP | yeah |
| 04:42.07 | PatrickC_TP | I'll include a back button, and that |
| 04:42.15 | PatrickC_TP | for power users to be able to just power swipe :) |
| 04:42.50 | gyrojoe | I think I want to reverse the direction |
| 04:42.59 | Abyssul | Na |
| 04:43.07 | Abyssul | It mimics the 2.x back swipe gesture |
| 04:43.20 | Abyssul | but a tweak is nice if possible |
| 04:43.59 | gyrojoe | left to right seems more ergonomic for right handed users |
| 04:44.25 | Abyssul | Oh yeah... it is backwards isnt it |
| 04:44.31 | Abyssul | Even to mimic the back gesture |
| 04:44.35 | Jack87 | PatrickC_TP: did you play with Enyo apps on pre2? |
| 04:44.43 | gyrojoe | oh shit, the Internetz is available in preware |
| 04:45.02 | Abyssul | Idk anything anymore! |
| 04:45.19 | dwc- | is there a stop-device-wipe for webos 1.x devices? |
| 04:45.26 | PatrickC_TP | Jack87: yes |
| 04:45.36 | Jack87 | PatrickC_TP: any luck? |
| 04:45.42 | PatrickC_TP | some |
| 04:45.51 | gyrojoe | back gesture is right to left on Pre- |
| 04:45.53 | PatrickC_TP | hold on, lemme switch to mojo wIRC :) |
| 04:46.02 | PatrickC_TP | the enyo doesn't have notifications |
| 04:46.17 | Jack87 | gyrojoe: internalz pro which lets you mess with dir other than just /media/internal |
| 04:46.38 | gyrojoe | Jack87: ? |
| 04:46.59 | PatrickC_TP | Jack: He said "Internetz" |
| 04:47.05 | PatrickC_TP | not Internalz :) |
| 04:47.14 | Abyssul | Enyo is so beautiful... |
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| 04:47.21 | gyrojoe | hmm |
| 04:47.28 | Jack87 | gyrojoe: the one in preware is internals pro... its on the precentral feeds I believe |
| 04:47.34 | Jack87 | oh lol |
| 04:47.36 | gyrojoe | doctoring doesn't wipe /media/internal |
| 04:47.50 | Jack87 | scratch that |
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| 04:48.17 | Jack87 | PatrickC_TP: so what was your experince with the Enyo apps on your pre2?> |
| 04:48.33 | PatrickC_TP | Jack87: they kinda run ok.. if that's what you are asking |
| 04:48.44 | PatrickC_TP | some things (like media permissions and media capture) crash it |
| 04:48.50 | dwc- | rwhitby: if I take a webos 1.4.5 device, does it wipe if I log into the same profile from a new webos2 pre2? |
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| 04:49.06 | Jack87 | PatrickC_TP: just asking in general. did you just copy the Enyo frameworks dir over to the phone? |
| 04:49.09 | PatrickC_TP | and I had to edit the enyo.js file in order to get swipe-to-delete working and scrolling |
| 04:49.11 | PatrickC_TP | yeah |
| 04:49.29 | dwc- | I looked at the stopdevicewipe page, but it doesn't look like impostah can be used like that on 1.4.5 |
| 04:49.30 | Jack87 | PatrickC_TP: what did you change in enyo.js |
| 04:49.31 | PatrickC_TP | copy the Enyo framework to /usr/palm/frameworks/enyo |
| 04:49.38 | PatrickC_TP | I don't remember... |
| 04:49.44 | PatrickC_TP | actually, someone told me what to change |
| 04:49.49 | Jack87 | each app had an enyo.js? |
| 04:49.49 | Abyssul | Anyone familiar with calendar api's want to help fix an abandoned app? |
| 04:49.54 | PatrickC_TP | NuttyBunny is the one who told me |
| 04:49.56 | gyrojoe | what's our chances of metadoctoring 2.2? |
| 04:50.00 | Abyssul | (its mojo btw) |
| 04:50.38 | Jack87 | PatrickC_TP: did you ever get the touchpad catalog working on the phone? |
| 04:50.41 | PatrickC_TP | Jack87: no. you the entire Enyo folder from /usr/palm/frameworks/Enyo on the TP to /usr/palm/frameworks/Enyo on the phone |
| 04:50.45 | PatrickC_TP | Jack87: nope |
| 04:50.56 | PatrickC_TP | gyrojoe: I think they are working on it |
| 04:50.57 | PatrickC_TP | not sure |
| 04:51.02 | PatrickC_TP | checks the git repo |
| 04:51.05 | Abyssul | I dont think anyone is working on it |
| 04:52.06 | Jack87 | TP keyboard is way nice for writing |
| 04:52.09 | PatrickC_TP | I thought that someone was. I don't think it'll be /too/ hard.. |
| 04:52.11 | Jack87 | wircing* |
| 04:52.20 | PatrickC_TP | Jack87: the BT or OSK? |
| 04:52.26 | Jack87 | BT |
| 04:52.30 | PatrickC_TP | yeah |
| 04:52.33 | PatrickC_TP | I'm on it right now :) |
| 04:52.45 | Abyssul | I wish it was as simple as inserting the webOS.tar onto the phone |
| 04:52.49 | Jack87 | OSK can be a bitch (me always liked physical keyboards hence always owning palm devices) |
| 04:53.25 | Jack87 | wants remote keyboard access from phone to TP that be sweet as hell |
| 04:54.06 | Jack87 | maybe an app when set as active card routs keyboard via BT to TP (haha I am just imaging shit prolly not even possible) |
| 04:54.12 | gyrojoe | doubt it's going to happen over bluetooth |
| 04:54.19 | gyrojoe | maybe over the network |
| 04:55.19 | Jack87 | gyrojoe: perhaps if we can get pan working via phone to tp |
| 04:55.47 | Jack87 | which will also in turn enable BT tethering via freeTether |
| 04:56.03 | gyrojoe | need to deliver the keycodes somehow though |
| 04:56.46 | gyrojoe | BT keyboard support probably comes from the kernel |
| 05:00.06 | Jack87 | so do developers have to enable touch to share capability for their apps for it to work? |
| 05:00.24 | Jack87 | simply having the same app on each device doesn't seem to do the trick |
| 05:00.43 | Jack87 | only got it to work with browser |
| 05:06.52 | Clark008 | speaking of the keyboard, I found one today |
| 05:07.03 | Clark008 | complete set! =) |
| 05:07.16 | Jack87 | Clark008: what do you mean |
| 05:07.34 | Clark008 | the touchpad bluetooth keyboard |
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| 05:07.54 | Jack87 | where how much |
| 05:07.56 | Clark008 | got everything else except for this and I found one today at best buy |
| 05:08.08 | Jack87 | 35? |
| 05:08.46 | Clark008 | best buy went back to regular price, but you can ask to price match from office depot, which is listed as $30 |
| 05:09.17 | Clark008 | there's still some in other stores, check your local best buy |
| 05:09.51 | Jack87 | Clark008: everything seems to be fresh out here in salt lake |
| 05:10.13 | Jack87 | well not only salt lake I have checked every office depot best buy office max staples in a 40 mile radio's |
| 05:10.16 | Jack87 | radius |
| 05:10.54 | gyrojoe | what's so great about these keyboards? |
| 05:15.02 | Clark008 | wow... online maybe? |
| 05:15.21 | Clark008 | chiclet style keys with buttons specifically for touchpad |
| 05:16.00 | Clark008 | don't really need one, but it's nice to have and of course getting the full set |
| 05:16.03 | Jack87 | its nice when using stand/case or touchstone to hold TP up |
| 05:16.57 | Clark008 | yup, I have it docked on touchstone and paired with bt kb |
| 05:17.17 | Clark008 | though I can't seem to navigate cards or items using arrows... |
| 05:18.55 | Jack87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.04 | gyrojoe | pricy |
| 05:19.09 | gyrojoe | I'd rather have a Veer |
| 05:19.23 | Jack87 | gyrojoe: cheap for $30 |
| 05:19.31 | gyrojoe | hmm |
| 05:19.39 | gyrojoe | UberKernel won't install |
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| 05:19.45 | gyrojoe | I've read the rules :) |
| 05:19.47 | Jack87 | compared to other BT keyboards its really cheap that is |
| 05:20.25 | Clark008 | ^^ |
| 05:20.48 | Clark008 | trying to get a cheap veer too... |
| 05:20.56 | Clark008 | everyone's still listing at $450... |
| 05:21.19 | Jack87 | I have a veer.. but makes me sad that I can't use it on sprint |
| 05:22.22 | gyrojoe | time to visit the doctor again I guess |
| 05:22.35 | Jack87 | likes storing ipks on box.net and installing via preware |
| 05:23.34 | gyrojoe | I wish box.net was dropbox |
| 05:24.09 | Jack87 | my fav is zumo drive... but since they got bought by Motorola then Motorola by google. its gone down hill big time |
| 05:25.00 | Jack87 | and using box.net/dav it works pretty nicely |
| 05:25.09 | Jack87 | drag and drop into browser is pretty sweet to |
| 05:26.47 | eliasp | uses ownCloud ( http://owncloud.org ) |
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| 05:30.19 | Clark008 | dav? |
| 05:30.31 | Clark008 | yeah, I would've liked veer on sprint |
| 05:30.38 | Clark008 | or drop that pre3 that they're stockpiling |
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| 06:07.34 | gyrojoe | they've got to have a ton of Pre3s around |
| 06:07.40 | gyrojoe | wonder what will happen to them |
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| 06:08.34 | ziggo0 | I'd get one if VZW wasn't crap. |
| 06:08.46 | ziggo0 | proprietary crap |
| 06:08.57 | gyrojoe | GSM Pre3s |
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| 10:18.21 | friedchicken | would frankenpre2 insturstions work on virtualbox running ubuntu? |
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| 10:25.54 | Douilspee | hi |
| 10:26.07 | Douilspee | just got a touchpad o/ |
| 10:29.37 | pierreee | grats |
| 10:29.56 | SimpsonTP | lucky you :) |
| 10:30.14 | SimpsonTP | Douilspee, is there a SD slot in it ? |
| 10:32.45 | hucksy | nope |
| 10:34.43 | yazgoo | Hi, Did anyone try accessing the compass via hid? |
| 10:36.29 | Douilspee | SimpsonTP: no i don't think so |
| 10:36.42 | Douilspee | anyone has quick way to put ssh client on touchpad ? |
| 10:36.52 | Pulser | optware I think |
| 10:40.06 | Douilspee | for SD something looks like a slot oposite to volume button |
| 10:41.21 | Douilspee | it outputs a plastic piece with SN written on it, but does not looks removable |
| 10:41.40 | Pulser | that's the "serial number" tray |
| 10:41.45 | Pulser | it's the same as on HP's high end servers |
| 10:41.56 | Pulser | there's always a nice little thing to pull out to get your serial # |
| 10:41.59 | Douilspee | SN slot lol |
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| 10:48.17 | k1l_ | its a mass production cost thing. they planned some 3g versions for sure and just didnt made a different frame |
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| 10:56.46 | rwhitby | Douilspee: install OpenSSH from Preware and Xecutah from testing.preware.org |
| 10:57.51 | Douilspee | rwhitby: ya ty |
| 10:58.23 | Douilspee | it's what i'm trying to do |
| 10:58.46 | rwhitby | http://bit.ly/phd-ac has instructions for the first bit |
| 10:59.05 | Douilspee | ok ty |
| 11:00.39 | Douilspee | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.28 | friedchicken | Can I do the software portion of FrankenPre2 off live ubuntu or virtualbox ubuntu? |
| 11:06.31 | rwhitby | either is fine |
| 11:06.55 | friedchicken | Thanks. |
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| 11:09.42 | Draecos | rwhitby, sorry to trouble you. Did anything come of linphone of webos? |
| 11:10.06 | rwhitby | the latest is in the forum thread |
| 11:10.17 | Draecos | working? |
| 11:10.56 | rwhitby | I'm not the developer, nor have I tested it. The latest is in the forum thread. |
| 11:11.07 | Douilspee | dafuck browser fail to download a 700ko file ... |
| 11:11.11 | Draecos | ok cheers |
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| 11:50.24 | sunny_ | was tryin to download new browser app bht it failed..some errors |
| 12:00.01 | eliasp | hmm, looks like a regular Pre touchstone doesn't work with a Pre3 :( |
| 12:00.22 | eliasp | ordered 2 of them, just plugged it in and put my Pre3 onto it, but nothing happens :( |
| 12:01.35 | hucksy | it does |
| 12:02.13 | eliasp | does it only work when using the wallcharger instead of a laptop's USB connector? I can't imagine that... |
| 12:02.22 | RagingMind | okay... my google is failing me |
| 12:02.56 | RagingMind | anyone have a link to rod's instructions to fix email attachment's after being bitten by the muffle patch? |
| 12:03.19 | hucksy | i just put the pre3 on the pre- touchstone-setup and it worked ;) |
| 12:03.51 | eliasp | hmm, weird |
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| 12:04.00 | eliasp | gonna test it with the wallcharger |
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| 12:09.00 | directhex | you can't power a touchstone from usb, |
| 12:10.28 | RagingMind | crap? I have to remove my email accounts to get this working again?! :( it's my yahoo and that'll delete all my chat history too (I think) |
| 12:10.41 | eliasp | directhex: yes, just saw that too in the manual... probably because most laptops only provide 100mA instead of 500mA USB power output |
| 12:10.54 | eliasp | directhex: but even when using the wallcharger it is the same ;( |
| 12:14.13 | directhex | pre3 definitely works on original pre- touchstones. |
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| 12:16.09 | eliasp | hmm, then one of the components must be broken... very unlikely the Touchstone itself, as it doesn't work on both ;( |
| 12:16.29 | eliasp | Touchstone doesn't need to be enabled somehow in the settings, right? |
| 12:16.57 | hucksy | nope |
| 12:17.37 | directhex | usb cable is all the way in? |
| 12:17.48 | eliasp | directhex: yes |
| 12:18.35 | cat-xeger | You sure you have a usb cable that's setup for the high charge rate? |
| 12:19.36 | eliasp | cat-xeger: it's the original one which came with the Pre3 |
| 12:20.00 | cat-xeger | k. |
| 12:20.28 | RagingMind | eliasp, most laptops provide 500mA, but the touchstone needs 1A |
| 12:21.22 | eliasp | ah, I think I've found the problem... the wallcharger didn't fully connect yet... it consists of 2 parts which need to be rotated against each other |
| 12:21.58 | eliasp | yeeehaw |
| 12:21.59 | eliasp | it works |
| 12:22.06 | eliasp | sorry for bothering you : |
| 12:22.08 | eliasp | :( |
| 12:22.25 | cat-xeger | Heh. There's nothing like an audience for solving problems ;> |
| 12:22.30 | eliasp | :) |
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| 12:30.02 | Douilspee | arf, can't get webosquickinstall to reconize my pad |
| 12:30.35 | directhex | novacom -l ? |
| 12:30.54 | Douilspee | i installed twice |
| 12:31.17 | directhex | i didn't ask if you installed twice, i asked if novacom -l listed your device |
| 12:32.01 | Douilspee | where to type that ? i'm on a windows box |
| 12:32.36 | directhex | oh. i have no idea then. |
| 12:32.43 | directhex | did you enable developer mode on your device? |
| 12:33.28 | Douilspee | also a question : when i plug USB, a window popup for usb disk : i have to choose the "cancel" option ? |
| 12:33.41 | Douilspee | yes i'm in dev mod and i setup password |
| 12:33.52 | directhex | ah. that'll be the problem. |
| 12:34.07 | Douilspee | i activated dev mode withis key webos20090606 |
| 12:34.15 | directhex | you need to unlock the usb session before anything will talk to the device... but i don't know how to do that on windows |
| 12:34.41 | directhex | on linux, you can use novacom -r yourpassword -c login. then it works after that |
| 12:35.48 | Douilspee | ok so i plug usb, i run novacom command and webosquickinstall should work ? |
| 12:36.21 | directhex | yes. |
| 12:36.23 | directhex | e.g. |
| 12:36.36 | directhex | directhex@dream:~$ novaterm |
| 12:36.36 | directhex | login using a password required |
| 12:36.36 | directhex | directhex@dream:~$ novacom -r XXXXXXXX -c login |
| 12:36.36 | directhex | directhex@dream:~$ novaterm |
| 12:36.36 | directhex | JoShieldsHPPre3 / # |
| 12:36.54 | directhex | the novacom -c login is what unlocks the session |
| 12:37.04 | Douilspee | okok ty for info |
| 12:37.52 | Douilspee | ok i'll try on win or later @home from linux box |
| 12:38.51 | eliasp | Douilspee: also make sure to run the latest novacom.. I was wondering why novacom didn't detect my Pre3... until I upgraded to a novacom which had the USB-ID of the Pre3 included ;) |
| 12:40.35 | Douilspee | http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/274461-webos-quick-install-v4-3-1-a.html good source ? |
| 12:41.39 | Douilspee | usb not charging on dev mode ? |
| 12:42.15 | directhex | v4.2.1 should include the latest novacom |
| 12:42.29 | Douilspee | 4.3.1 |
| 12:43.58 | Douilspee | directhex: what is my "login" ?? |
| 12:44.44 | directhex | you don't need one. "-c login" is the command. "-r XXXXXX" passes XXXXXX as the password |
| 12:44.56 | Douilspee | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.58 | Douilspee | tyy |
| 12:45.55 | directhex | french pre3's in stock |
| 12:45.56 | directhex | https://eurostore.palm.com/epages/Store.sf/secP83h2PVSESo/?ObjectPath=/Shops/PalmStore/Products/HP-FB436AA-ABF |
| 12:46.02 | directhex | £170 |
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| 12:46.21 | Douilspee | i have to work right now, i'll geek later |
| 12:48.43 | directhex | nope, they just ran out |
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| 12:53.47 | Douilspee | found novacom.exe on my win, will try later |
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| 13:56.59 | Douilspee | os tools says battery = 40%, installed software says 2% |
| 13:57.51 | Douilspee | also i didnot not managed to charge on direct USB, using powerplug atm |
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| 14:25.59 | warpdesign | hi |
| 14:26.16 | warpdesign | anyone knows how to debug a website on the touchpad ? |
| 14:26.35 | warpdesign | ie: getting the log sent through console.log and any js warnings/exceptions |
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| 15:23.11 | zxczxc | a |
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| 15:47.56 | mberg | ;/clear |
| 15:47.57 | mberg | oops |
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| 15:50.14 | M25 | can someone direct me to the wonderful person who's doing all the fancy swipe gestures in the browser? I have several important questions to ask him/her :) |
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| 15:57.25 | summatusmentis | I didn't know anyone was doing that |
| 16:02.17 | PuffTheMagic_ | I wonder how HTC could consider buying something that isnt for sale... |
| 16:04.32 | mberg | I've only seen reports that they've considered buying *a* mobile OS, not specifically WebOS. And you could certainly make an offer even if something isn't publically for sale. |
| 16:05.46 | PuffTheMagic_ | mberg: i just dont believe the BS that P|C and WOR is putting out there |
| 16:06.14 | outstanding | surprise HTC would even consider WebOS. I think they heavily invested in either android or windows |
| 16:06.37 | mberg | They produce both. |
| 16:06.47 | crimsonredmk | microsoft wouldn't let htc make webos |
| 16:06.51 | crimsonredmk | devices |
| 16:07.36 | mberg | The speculation of why someone would buy WebOS is that Google + Motorola and Microsoft + Nokia represent burgeoning verticals. |
| 16:07.37 | crimsonredmk | HTC is pretty much the only WP7 partner they have other than LG, who has a horrible reputation in the US, and Samsung, who's out of the WP7 game |
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| 16:12.06 | mberg | I'm not really putting any stock in any speculation at this point. Not sure I believe the stated goal of licensing is something HP can actually pull off, which leaves sale or spin-off, with sale seeming the far more likely. But the number of viable buyers is pretty damn small. |
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| 16:30.40 | DThought | i'm trying to novaterm into my pre3 .... i've set a developer mode password, which i can't delete now ("password may not be empty") |
| 16:30.54 | DThought | novaterm -r secret -t does reply with "password requiered" |
| 16:31.02 | DThought | any loophole i did not see? |
| 16:31.09 | directhex | crimsonredmk, the deterioration of the microsoft/htc relationship is the only reason we even know the company exists - they lost their "main wm6 oem" status and started making their own devices & coveting android |
| 16:31.26 | directhex | DThought, novacom -r secret -c login |
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| 16:32.21 | DThought | directhex: ah |
| 16:32.32 | DThought | and afterwards simply "novaterm" ? |
| 16:32.33 | DThought | weird. |
| 16:32.36 | DThought | thank you |
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| 16:38.57 | DThought | preware installed :) |
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| 16:55.43 | discord | novacomd does not seem to be starting from my debian box, but it worked before? |
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| 16:58.06 | discord | /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd |
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| 17:02.05 | discord | doh! |
| 17:02.07 | wrea | wish the wpa_supplicant source was available then maybe they would have included the .config |
| 17:02.19 | discord | it helps when you plug the cbale in |
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| 17:21.18 | robobot[0] | i used webos doctor on the touchpad and opened the browser and went to gmail, where i auto logged in |
| 17:21.37 | robobot[0] | does the webos profile backup/restore browser cookies/sessions?! |
| 17:22.14 | NuttyBunny | yep |
| 17:22.47 | robobot[0] | that's crazy, dawg |
| 17:23.05 | shutter | anyone an idea which headers are necessary to compile within ubuntu chroot? |
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| 17:32.35 | dwc- | any headers you would normally need to compile on an ubuntu non-chroot |
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| 17:33.52 | dwc- | in short, "it depends on what you're trying to compile" |
| 17:34.04 | M25 | sudo apt-get install build-essential ? |
| 17:34.41 | M25 | also, if it's already in the ubuntu repos, I find that apt-get build-dep <packageName> works wonders towards dependency resolution |
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| 17:47.01 | shutter | hm.. webos crashes when trying to access /dev/video :-D |
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| 17:52.01 | bikr | on all the OC kernels, what is all the file storage stuff about? |
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| 18:00.52 | CWFlink | Anybody else see sudden battery drain on Verizon Pre+s? Have 2, WiFi connected, 2 locations, 1 w/new bat, yet both died in abt 4 hrs! ...hacked? ...servers off-line? ...had/loved for over a year. |
| 18:01.48 | M25 | a better question for me to ask is: who around here is the best expert on the touchpad browser? specifically with regard to both user scripts and custom swipe gestures |
| 18:02.02 | M25 | ooh! a user script that runs on a custom swipe gesture! brilliant! :P |
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| 18:04.00 | CWFlink | like ThumbNav now on pre... but programmable? ...record/resend keystrokes? |
| 18:07.47 | Douilspe2 | can't get novacom to work :/ |
| 18:10.26 | discord | anybody know why they are using ext3 instead of ext4 for the ubuntu partition? |
| 18:12.17 | ziggo0 | CWFlink: I don't know if its coincidence or not but my pre+ on VZW for the past several days has been getting some pretty terrible service, wifi or not my battery has been draining a lot faster. |
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| 18:13.15 | NuttyBunny | Whenever you get crappy cell service, batteries drain A LOT faster |
| 18:13.26 | ziggo0 | Yeah |
| 18:13.43 | ziggo0 | Except - I haven't left home where I normally have 4 or 5 bars and it was draining a lot faster... |
| 18:14.10 | ziggo0 | probably just paying better attention to it lol |
| 18:14.15 | ziggo0 | pre+ battery is horrid |
| 18:15.02 | dwc- | you know how else you get crappy battery life? |
| 18:15.15 | halfhalo | using the device at all! |
| 18:15.26 | dwc- | when you forget you left a ping <phone's wifi IP> running in a minimized window on your laptop |
| 18:16.34 | NuttyBunny | hahaha |
| 18:16.40 | ziggo0 | thats funny lol |
| 18:16.47 | NuttyBunny | playing some PDK game like NFS! :D |
| 18:16.59 | dwc- | "wtf, why's it alerting me at 20%... I just took it off the charger at work 2 hours ago!" |
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| 18:18.31 | NuttyBunny | 20to0 drop! :D |
| 18:19.02 | CWFlink | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.11 | Douilspe2 | ok so i'm on win xp, with touchpad, and can't connect novacom :/ unable to find device |
| 18:19.48 | shutter | having dev-mode activated? |
| 18:20.22 | Douilspe2 | yes with password |
| 18:20.30 | shutter | password bad |
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| 18:20.44 | Douilspe2 | i try novacom.exe -r password -c login |
| 18:21.05 | Douilspe2 | i try use an easy password : no change |
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| 18:23.00 | Douilspe2 | i also tryed to spam webosquickinstall just after i plug USB |
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| 18:37.19 | Douilspe2 | ok got it to work : in windows device list, novacom was not well installed, so i manually re-setup driver using .inf in programs files / palm inc / novacomd / |
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| 18:50.27 | oc80z | i dont want android. i want webos 3 |
| 18:53.11 | wrea | I applied a patch to wpa_supplicant to mask adhoc networks as intrastructure ones, but now I get a bunch of errors in config.c |
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| 19:01.15 | discord | if I'm unable to mount the ext3fs folder, does that mean that metadoctor was installed improperly? |
| 19:02.15 | discord | root@ColinsHPTouchPad:/var/home/root# mkdir -p /media/ext3fs |
| 19:02.15 | discord | root@ColinsHPTouchPad:/var/home/root# mount -o remount,rw / |
| 19:02.15 | discord | root@ColinsHPTouchPad:/var/home/root# echo "/dev/mapper/store-ext3fs /media/ext3 |
| 19:02.18 | discord | fs ext3 noatime,data=writeback 0 0" >> /etc/fstab |
| 19:02.20 | discord | root@ColinsHPTouchPad:/var/home/root# mount -a |
| 19:02.23 | discord | mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs on /media/ext3fs failed: No such file or directory |
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| 19:05.50 | discord | fuck i can't believe how much time i spent going through the meta doctor install, reinstalling preware+apps since it was wiped after metadoctor install, and now this? What could have possibly gone wrone? Something to do with the prefs.db file? I get a penguin holding a pre at boot, doesn't that mean metadoctor is installed? |
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| 19:07.54 | sushiserf | discord |
| 19:08.03 | sushiserf | you didnt do the makefile correctly |
| 19:08.05 | sushiserf | give me one sec |
| 19:08.36 | discord | ok the metadoctor make file |
| 19:08.48 | sushiserf | http://leo.gaggl.com/2011/08/ubuntu-extending-the-hp-touchpad/ |
| 19:08.55 | sushiserf | open that makefile using |
| 19:09.02 | sushiserf | what linux are you using? |
| 19:09.12 | discord | i did this |
| 19:09.16 | discord | make DEVICE=touchpad CARRIER=wifi all |
| 19:09.19 | sushiserf | no no |
| 19:09.22 | sushiserf | still not right |
| 19:09.31 | sushiserf | nagivate to the meta-doctor folder |
| 19:09.32 | sushiserf | type ls |
| 19:09.45 | sushiserf | and you should see "build", downloads... blah blah Makefile |
| 19:09.53 | sushiserf | you need to edit the one marked Makefile |
| 19:09.55 | discord | and this |
| 19:09.57 | sushiserf | in the text editor |
| 19:09.58 | discord | INSTALL_WIFI_PROFILES = 1 |
| 19:10.14 | discord | i did edit the makefile |
| 19:10.18 | sushiserf | still not right |
| 19:10.21 | discord | i still have the edited makefile |
| 19:10.23 | sushiserf | firstly |
| 19:10.34 | sushiserf | the wifi profile - recomment that line. |
| 19:10.41 | sushiserf | look at the link I posted |
| 19:10.50 | sushiserf | it tells you what lines to uncomment |
| 19:10.52 | sushiserf | http://leo.gaggl.com/2011/08/ubuntu-extending-the-hp-touchpad/ |
| 19:11.35 | discord | hmm |
| 19:12.05 | sushiserf | you follow? |
| 19:12.13 | discord | thanks sushiserf , those instructions look much clearer than reading the page on webos internals :( |
| 19:12.19 | sushiserf | yea |
| 19:12.22 | sushiserf | they honestly are :x |
| 19:13.00 | discord | wish I had found that sooner, man i generated ssh keys multiple times, this whole thing such a haggle :( |
| 19:13.30 | discord | thanks again, i gotta goto a job interview, I'm going to try this later |
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| 19:22.33 | sanbir | where are things downloaded when we click download link in webos browser |
| 19:23.11 | sanbir | plzhelp |
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| 20:20.29 | liamog | hi |
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| 20:24.23 | liamog | is their anyway to restore a touchpad if WebOSDoctor bombs out at 8% |
| 20:24.44 | Lazar_Dobrescu | try to get more info about why |
| 20:24.55 | Lazar_Dobrescu | by running the doctor from command line instead of double-clicking it |
| 20:25.06 | linuxjacques | run the doctor on the command line and it should give some clues |
| 20:25.06 | liamog | ok will give her a shot |
| 20:25.13 | linuxjacques | what Lazar_Dobrescu said |
| 20:28.31 | M25 | geist: who would you say knows the most about the touchpad browser in here? |
| 20:30.14 | geist | nope |
| 20:30.18 | geist | not a bit |
| 20:30.30 | Lazar_Dobrescu | that was not a yes/no question though :p |
| 20:30.44 | geist | ah, yeah, well the answer is i dont know |
| 20:30.46 | geist | not a bit |
| 20:31.28 | RagingMind | the guy that wrote the universe browser got hired by HP at least for a while, he hangs out in #webos sometimes |
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| 20:39.56 | halfhalo | RagingMind: thats dkirker. he's crazy. |
| 20:43.34 | M25 | mainly, I want to know where the best place to insert some javascript that'll run like a greasemonkey script (per page load) into the browser's native code. |
| 20:44.07 | M25 | even better would be the ability to (in C terms) #include any script I want at runtime, preferably with an interface in Tweaks, as that's the easiest way to get this going |
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| 21:32.02 | nohorse | love the hulu patch. any chance to get one for amazon cloud player? |
| 21:32.55 | Abyssul | What does Amazon cloud player do |
| 21:33.43 | Tibfib | nohorse: umm, is amazon cloud player blocked? |
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| 21:39.19 | Tibfib | not supported !== blocked |
| 21:39.28 | Tibfib | hulu was blocked, which the patch unblocks |
| 21:39.38 | nohorse | amazon cloud player plays songs you have storred up in the cloud at amazon. including amazon MP3 songs you may have purchased. they have unlimited storage for MP3s |
| 21:39.48 | Tibfib | a patch for creating support is a bit harder and will probably not happen. |
| 21:39.56 | nohorse | oh, ok |
| 21:40.41 | nohorse | thought maybe adding goop to the browser agent my "trick" it into trying to render as safari maybe. i'm a dreamer |
| 21:40.56 | Tibfib | maybe |
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| 21:41.25 | summatusmentis | well, isn't that how the hulu one works? just a user-agent change? |
| 21:42.06 | Tibfib | no |
| 21:42.13 | Tibfib | it changes the version of flash |
| 21:42.16 | summatusmentis | oh |
| 21:42.22 | Tibfib | or something more advanced than that |
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| 21:44.21 | wrea | I'm a little rusty, but there are some ifdef's in this code i want compiled in. What do I have to do to get it compiled in? |
| 21:45.09 | summatusmentis | what code are we talking about? |
| 21:45.40 | wrea | some in wpa_supplicant |
| 21:46.00 | summatusmentis | oh. But this is C? |
| 21:46.06 | wrea | Yeah |
| 21:46.10 | MrBIOS | hey folks, can anyone speak to what I need to do to get wIRC working on my TouchPad? Something about fstab |
| 21:46.13 | MrBIOS | I have it installed via preware |
| 21:46.39 | summatusmentis | wrea: generally speaking, you need to define what the ifdef is wrapping |
| 21:46.49 | summatusmentis | that is #ifdef FOO |
| 21:46.54 | summatusmentis | needs a #define FOO somewhere |
| 21:46.58 | dwc- | -DFOO |
| 21:47.02 | wrea | Okay, thats what I thought |
| 21:47.09 | summatusmentis | or that |
| 21:47.30 | dwc- | most things in wpa_supplicant go in a .config |
| 21:47.55 | dwc- | which iirc has a fairly complete list of user-tuneables |
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| 21:48.06 | dwc- | (attempting to keep you from defining invalid combinations) |
| 21:50.35 | wrea | Right. |
| 21:50.46 | discord | does the metadoctor makefile options: enable_testing_feeds, developer_mode,auto_install_preware,install_ssh_auth_keys work on the touchpad? |
| 21:50.52 | wrea | Well, it looks like this patch doesnt work as intended for some reason |
| 21:51.20 | dwc- | discord: as well as they are documented in there to work on any device |
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| 21:51.50 | dwc- | notes that at least one of them suggests not using it |
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| 21:52.46 | discord | dwc-: does the install_ssh_auth_keys work? |
| 21:56.30 | M25 | MrBIOS: it just worked for me, but then again I have the full x11 setup going, and did a (unsuccessful) install of the ubuntu chroot. Your mileage may vary |
| 21:56.35 | dwc- | I've never used it, but I believe so |
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| 22:28.26 | rwhitby | discord: stock kernel does not support ext4 |
| 22:30.43 | rwhitby | discord: did you read the documentation for the auto_install_preware option? |
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| 22:47.05 | spotter | so I've gotten wma's to play manually via gstreamer on the touchpad, but can't seem to get them to play via the media player |
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| 22:48.45 | DMeister | Hi Preware doesn't record my apps? How can i fix it? |
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| 23:04.21 | wrea | Okay. I dunno if adhoc was working there for a second or if someone connected to the network for a quick second |
| 23:05.33 | discord | my on screen keyboard seems to have disappered from the xserver / xterminal, how do i get it back? |
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| 23:13.03 | discord | anybody have the on screen keyboard seems to have disappered from the xserver / xterminal, how do i get it back? |
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| 23:18.04 | Absurd- | discord - did you try shutting all the way down? |
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| 23:22.40 | dwc- | did you disable it in tweaks? |
| 23:22.46 | dtzWill | discord: check tweaks for what you set the keyboard to, and then ensure you don't have a bt keyboard attached |
| 23:26.11 | divStar | hm if I uninstall a kernel on my veer in the software catalog, do I have to just reboot and that's it? it will be reverted to default? |
| 23:31.00 | dtzWill | divStar: that's the idea, yep., |
| 23:31.26 | divStar | wow I just figured that angry birds wouldnt run on warthog kernel for me |
| 23:31.28 | dtzWill | occasionally, if things get messed up (I'm only aware of this happening if you're doing something extra crazy, and/or interrupt a kernel mid-install) you can install the recovery kernel package to ensure things are clean |
| 23:31.29 | divStar | no idea why |
| 23:31.57 | dtzWill | divStar: seems to work here, at least did on previous veer warthog kernel. strange indeed. |
| 23:32.23 | divStar | I uninstalled and it started working for some reason |
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| 23:46.22 | rwhitby | divStar: test it twice again, and if it's repeatable, report it in the alpha testing thread. Note that as per the testing feed rules this is an obligation that you undertook when you installed the testing feeds. thanks. |
| 23:46.24 | M25 | dtzWill: if I wanted to restart the music indexing process on the touchpad's native music app, where would I start? |
| 23:46.34 | M25 | rwhitby: yay you're here! ^^ |
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| 23:50.06 | dtzWill | M25: no idea, sorry. iirc you can nuke the underlying database and force it to recreate it? but if there's abetter way I don't know |
| 23:50.55 | dtzWill | also sometimes moving a folder of files will kick the scan? but i'm hardly an expert :) |
| 23:51.11 | M25 | nuking the db will work, where could I find it? |
| 23:52.29 | Absurd- | Anyone know how to stop a touchpad from automatically altering wifi settings (i am trying to setup connections with iwconfig via terminal)? |
| 23:52.41 | Absurd- | i can get things to work for about 10 seconds |
| 23:52.51 | Absurd- | <PROTECTED> |